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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nkirk:
S3 got a new life with the new drivers. It performs much better in games. Good eg will be epic citadel .. previously I used to hit 44 fps. But now 57+ fps. Its a massive improvement. It can still handle any thing you throw at it.

Also to be noted that comparing this gpu with latest one is not fair either. Newer ones support more complex shader processing, packs raw processing power and their device will be redering them at higher resolutions most of the time. Leading to slower performance than the numbers suggests.

bottom line is that S3 is not yet outdated as one would assume. Its still a very capable device with lot of life left in it.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ayans:
Well said buddy I too am a Proud Owner of S3.and if u ask me I would say even after 2 yrs its Still Rocks n also shinning like a Star :)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AssassinGEO:
Meh,S3 rocks all the ways and that's a fact. I have it now and even after seeing people with HTC One's and Nexus devices,I'm still pretty satisfied with my phone as I haven't seen anything WORSE to be in my S3 compared to that phones starting from multitasking and ending on Gaming performance,and that's with Stock ROM and Stock kernel.

Custom ROMs like CM are making this phone killer of these NEW phones,that shows the true power of it's hardware.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bornlivedie:
You seriously don't know what you're talking about.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theshawty:
Some people here are really ignorant and it shows. Why do you even compare a 1080p one (N5, S4, HTC One) with a 720p joke-of-all-phones S3?

To play a at a resolution of 1080p requires stronger hardware than playing it at 720p...
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmac31:
you are absoulety right thats why i included nexus 4 on competition too.. adreno 320 on 720p still not working better than mali400. read my 1st message about it. and again im not saying s3 fastest or best phone and its not obviously. but its great for gaming and 100% better than adreno 320 phones. atleast im user of nexus 4 s3 and htc one tested like every game with fps meter. and s3 has same graphics setting but gives higher fps.

and for some people thinking s4 pro or s600 faster than exynos 4 its true. but we are talking about gaming you dont realy need that much cpu power did anybody checked whats cpu doing on games? i did and exynos 4 s4 pro and s600 all nearly working 1 core or 2 core only on most of the games. and gpu doing its trick not cpu ( while games running ofc not on loading screens.)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theshawty:
100% better than Adreno 320? I suppose you have trustworthy proof to back this preposterous claim?

Which you don't of course because it's wrong.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Moster2:
I dont know why you call the s3 a "joke-of-all-phones". The device, except for hungry tw, is running pretty well, even after almost 2 years. I can find more points to complain about on the nexus series than the galaxy s series.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmac31:
on real world performance i mean. like i said root and fps meter is just enough proof every1 can do that like me. i didnt say mali400 is better it just acts better than adreno 320 in games. its about drivers and optimization issues on adreno 320.

you are a htc one user like me and just root it and install fps meter get your proof simple as that. and playing games on one or nexus 4 is just enough you dont even need any proof.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theshawty:
You are very quick to blame the hardware. Has it ever hit you that it might be the game that is poorly optimized and not the hardware?

LOL.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmac31:
thats why i say mali400 perform better on action not better as hardware? wrote it like 10 times and you are just saying same thing with me. i m using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months and nothing changed in last 1 year opengl 3.0 new software newest drivers etc etc. still laging on some games and giving lower fps than mali400 mp4 on most of the games. optimization or not its still not fixed.

AGAIN im not saying mali400 is better it just works better and benchmarks (mali400 gives better gpu score on some benchmarks against adreno 320) say adreno 320 is better too if any1 care about them.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AssassinGEO:
How many times must I repeat that I HAVE THIS PHONE? Which is pretty obvious?!

Must I make a video-comparison with my friends who have that 1080p phones? Or what? I absolutely KNOW what I'm talking about and that stupid same answers on my posts are making me freaking sick.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JustArchi:
Stop this hate war guys. Firstly, I have a feeling that properly-designed stock rom without sammy's bloat (f.e. ArchiDroid 1.X) performs much better than any AOSP even with r3p2 mali drivers (including ArchiDroid 2.X).

Secondly, our beloved mali has one advantage. It's extremely good at overclocking. It's clocked at 440 MHz, while I can assure you that you can easily clock it up to 533, while I'm running it at 600 MHz and still didn't face any issue, at least on short-term (30 minutes of playing) run.

What it gives, about 40% of additional performance? Find a GPU which can be overclocked by 40% and still work that well :).

The fact is that our mali is not modern, but it's still high-end from older gpus. With proper rom and proper overclocking I can assure you that it'll be enough for at least a year more, maybe even two.

I'm completely fine with my piece of software and a bit of overclocking. Maybe because I'm not that heavy gamer.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Iqbal Ansari:
I dont have those phones but my friends have and I have played games on them and I'm sure my S3 is comparable and as smooth as them despite of old hardware. (I think our resolution helps to perform better).

And 720p is enough for a mobile device. I dont need 1080p. My f****ing 23" monitor is 1080p.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theshawty:
Try playing a game as smoothly on 1080p with your beloved Mali 400mp lol.

Not so good after all as Adreno 320 handles games on 1080p as Mali handles them on 720.

A two year old gpu isn't better than a new one.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AssassinGEO:
You hear this guy? That means,Mali is underclocked. Overclocked one with 1080p support would kick ass of all other GPUs. Although underclocked one (original) still does that with new ones.

+1 also.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moneytalks:
Games used to have better optimization for Mali because top seller phones are Samsung so companies do tests with most sold phones to make sure it works well on them
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cloudx720:
How can we play at 1080p on our s3 idiot! Although it would play games fine at 1080p tbfh! Oh and gtfo our forums and go back to ya own forums grrrrr
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theshawty:
Why this sudden outburst of hostility?

Mali 400 isn't as good as you guys make it seem.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SanketN8:
this is way rude bro

no doubt its a old gpu and it cannot compete with new ones but do compare or watch videos of gameplay on your htc one and galaxy s3

htc one lags and u will not see any lag on s3

now what does that prove
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theshawty:
I've played GTA SA and Modern Combat 4 and I don't notice this lag of which you're speaking. It's perfectly fluent and I daresay you have a weird phone.

Mali 400 is a bad gpu and it won't help overclocking it a million GHz. The S3 is a 720p device and I know that mali 400 wouldn't play a game even half as good if that GPU was put in a phone with a 1080p screen.

It is not as good as you think it is. I get that you want to defend the S3 but please. Mali 400 was decent two years ago, why do you think it's good today? It's okay at best, for minor games.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cloudx720:
I have played nearly every topend demanding games out there and not once did my s3 lag, mali 400 has got loads of life left in her! Even more o/c to 700-800mhz. So please dont come in our forums putting our s3 hardware down wen you own a friggin htc one ffs Oo
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theshawty:
Lol, I go where I please, and I used to have an S3. You don't notice any lag because of frame-skipping. It's been said before that the hardware isn't enough to play some if not most of the newer games properly, therefore it skips the frames it can't quite render.

You don't seem to understand that.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cloudx720:
frame-skipping?!?! wow....just wow...your even more retard than I first thought :( im done with this thread, and im done with you!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theshawty:
Yeah go and enjoy playing mc4 in 20 fps with frame-skipping to make it feel like 40. Lel.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmac31:
yeah when vice city san andreas real racing 3 asphalt 8 laging on our htc one its optimization issue but when mc4 lag or drops to 20 fps on s3 its just hardware issue you are absouletly right.....

you dont have to defend one or another adreno 320 phone. its just simple it has serious issues with optimization or just its own drivers from qualcomm or something else. no1 care about potential of gpu or whatever people just want to feel the performance now and its not about htc one or 1080p screen same thing just happen on nexus 4 too its 720p phone. many game having issues with adreno its a fact and you cant deny it. we arent buying just gpu cant wait years for better optimization or better drivers etc. ill buy 2014 phone phone and replace htc one but it will be still laggy on some games. htc one is great phone no1 can deny it but it just has issues with games cuz of adreno 320.

and you dont have to feel fps there is app called fps meter simple thing. just install it and check like i did on nexus 4 s3 and htc one. and you will see better fps on s3.

and mali400 can only play minor games just lol? dont talk if you dont know what are you talking about. and stop checking benchmarks.

san andreas has 0 issue on s3 and simply lags on 720p nexus 4!! on high settings.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SanketN8:
San Andreas Galaxy S3 gameplay

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San Andreas HTC One gameplay

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watch carefully if u got eyes

there are lags on htc one and none on the s3

now if u say it skips frames and there are low fps on s3

then a game with low fps should lag and stutter on the device which it doesn't on s3

i'm from a technical field so explaining all this stuff to u ,if u still can't understand then you are sure retard
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] narcotik25:
;) htc one - lags even with no shadows
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jinosong:
Just bought MC4 and tested the fps. It was consistently 30-35 fps. Not that I really care much about fps but pretty interesting.

I used an app called FPS Meter and overclocked to the highest level on Boeffla.

When on stock GPU settings, I got slightly lower fps, ranging from 20-35. So I guess GPU overclocking does work.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cloudx720:
Theshawty got owned.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Iqbal Ansari:
OMG! the game is not even playable on htc one.

Maybe the s3 is skipping frames or whatever, what counts in real life is you can play a game smoothly.

Have fun playing GTA SA on htc one.

S3 ROCKS!
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dakoookie:
Skipping frames to make it feel like there are more frames? Really? You made my day, and my day just started.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Iqbal Ansari:
Really. Thats the most idiotic thing ever. If skipping frames make game smooth then everybody want to have skipped frames.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AssassinGEO:
You guys talking about frame-skipping,and repeating that are some kind of an retarted idiots,who just can't say anything else.

If I can enjoy the graphics of the game while having a good performance,why the f*ck should I think about frame-skipping or what is it called? Or what the hell does that mean? Idiotioc sh*t.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sanefirst:
http://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-s4-pro-vs-exynos-4412-benchmarks-127274/

^^ Mali T658 shows very comparable performance to Adreno 320, so Adreno 330 should be faster. However, in case of HTC One it renders in 1080p, which is more resource hungry not only for GPU, but also for memory subsystem.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JustArchi:
Hahaha, actually frame-skipping causes LAG, FPS is nothing else than frames per second, if GPU is too low then it skips frames, thus decrease performance. This is really the most hilarious thing I heard for a while.

I can agree with resolution, smaller resolutions requires less power and work to render, however you can clearly notice the difference between two videos showed above. Mali is not bad, especially with proper overclocking and a ROM. If it's bad in your case then I'm sorry but I can't agree with you :).
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cloudx720:
Would ya say ML2 is smoother than say cm11 with new mali drivers too? Cant make my mind up lol...keep coming back to stock ML2 gamez seem to run better :o
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Moster2:
Ye, stock rom usually has a better integration of the drivers, etc. At least on our s3 :<
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dakoookie:
Why do you have to interefere when you don't have the slightest clue of anything?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AssassinGEO:
You sure about that? I have a technical knowledge,so stop posting a stupidity.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ballsofsteel:
Lol Mali 400 better than the Adreno 320? What have you guys been smoking?

Have you played Asphalt 8 on the S3 next to an adreno 320 device and saw how garbage the graphics were, and see the frame skips on the S3? The Mali couldn't handle even a toned down version of the game, and the Adreno 320 easily handles it with extra graphics (although both were on 720p, as the s4 i9505 defaults to that despite the 1080 display)

Mali does have an advantage of having a considerable consumer base (S2, S3, note 1, note 2), so developers will at least pay some attention to make their games compatible, but thus advantage will not hold out with power vr and adreno dominating the market now.

Please wake up, the Mali 400 wasn't even competitive with the iPhone 4s to begin with due to the garbage triangle bottleneck of the Mali. Even the Adreno 225, while having an inferior fill rate, outperforms the Mali 400 as the 225 is newer and more balanced.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theshawty:
True this. :good:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AssassinGEO:
My phone runs every single game I have really good. It's smooth,I enjoy the graphics,so I don't care about anything else. I'm not going to explain anything,as this discussion may just not end.

End.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmac31:
having s3 for 1.5 years nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months. you guys have way better eyes than me im sure. cuz i dont see the difference and adreno 320 way better? i dont care about the potential power of gpus. but adreno 320 simply lags on some games which mali400 doesnt. its optimization or whatever i dont care im putting games to full graphics settings and simply all i see is same on both platforms. and fps meter shows better frame rates on mali400. and downed versions? asphalt 8 very high is 30+ fps on s3 20+ on htc one and 25-30 on my nexus 4.(fps meter from market shows it atleast). dead trigger again has higher fps with same settings....if you sure about downed versions or not i can check i still have all of these phones.

i only see different graphics on my ipad air.

and yes mali400 has triangle bottleneck but pretty much games dont care about it some of them only (i mean not all of them push to its limits). like asphalt 7 and mc4. and new drivers give 50% more triangle output performance (Still low) but fill rate is still higher than adreno 320.

you are just talking about benchmarks and potential power of gpus. cuz realy im not seeing difference. and see better performance from my old s3 which i dont use it for daily driver atm just backup phone.

im not saying mali400 super or s3 is best (its not) but its my experience with it. and im talking about stock experience. your s4 has overclocked adreno 320 by stock compared to my nexus 4 and htc one.

and did you try adreno 225 or 4s in near time? if you dont please dont comment about it. i dont have adreno 225 phone around me but my old phone is 4s that i still have and it doesnt have close performance to s3 with lower resolution. you cant realy run games on highest settings either.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ballsofsteel:
450 mhz adreno 320 is not going to make a difference with 400 mhz adreno 320. There is no hidden pixie dust in the Adreno 320 that makes it stronger than adreno 320 in nexus 4 other than the clock speed, it is the thermal throttling in the nexus 4 that screws it up, hence why it performs terribly.

I agree with you about dead trigger lagging on 320. This has puzzled me as well, but the last update in dead trigger seemed to made the Adreno phones perform better. However, other games prove my point.

Nova 3 is a great example, once you run into smoke the game is un playable. It is somewhat better with GPU oclocked to 600 mhz.

Modern combat 4 is unplayable in the same scenarios (MC3 ran very, very well though)

Asphalt 8 effects are not exactly explicit, but they are noticeable if you tried the game on both. For example, the smoke effects are more detailed when drifting, and the adrenaline boost (perfect nitro) incorporates motion blur and the background fades, with the Nitro effect giving very detailed purple hues.

Please give some examples of games that suck (like completely suck) on adreno 320, so I can test it out.

Edit: Go check out the benchmarks on anandtech if you say fill rate of Mali is better than adreno 320:

Fill rate

Galaxy S3 mali 400: 635.3

Galaxy S3 adreno 225: 241.3

Galaxy S4 Adreno 320: 869.4

Nexus 4 Adreno 320: 832.8

Triangle texture on screen:

Mali 400: 9.99 (720p)

Adreno 225: 36 (720p)

Adreno 320 N4: 51.8 (1280*768)

Adreno 320 S4: 64.8 (1080p)

And now finally Egypt HD on screen :

Mali 400 S3: 13fps

Adreno 225 S3: 20fps

Adreno 320 N4: 39.6 fps (cooled in freezer)

Adreno 320 S4: 39 fps

Clearly the Mali 400 is a GPU competitive with Adreno 225, not adreno 320.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmac31:
im getting 750 fill rate and and 15 triangle on s3. 700 fill rate 32 triangle on nexus 4. dunno they are 1 year old tests on anand. i dont care benchmarks but there are benchmarks which s3 passes nexus 4 too.like epic citadel 52 fps for nexus 4 , 58 for s3 both on high quality.antutu 3d nexus 4 3750 s3 4500. so as you see there is different scenarios on benchmarks too. when they put itriangle texture on test simply adreno blows but when they do test like most of the games mali400 has slight advantage.

and yes thermal throttling is a serious issue but i wasnt considering it was just talking about on cool nexus 4

mc4 which i played b4 on new driver update it was just dropping frames when a bomb blown near you. and nova 3 drops to 15 frames when you go into yellow thing butit just frame drop and we should check after new update it gave huge improvement.. well on adreno 320 san andreas and vice city simply lag on high settings. dead trigger 2 too but its frame drops mostly.. and im not seeing difference on asphalt 8 and on very high settings nexus 4 and htc one has frame drops s3 dont after 4.3. blur effect is there on s3 too. and im not saying everything lags on adreno 320 they shouldnt but on nexus 4 i see lower fps against s3 on most of the games 5- 10 fps better on s3

and thx atleast giving a proper answer and didnt just say idiotic things like other people for example adreno 320 can run 1080p and newer so its better. newer doesnt mean it should be better.

and adreno 225 just worse than mali400. im saying dont check benchmarks,i dont care about potential power all i test is real world performance on games. thats why i say adreno 320 can be much more powerful but not acting better on real world. atleast my phones says it with fps meter. you can have 10 times better gpu on pc too but bad drivers can makes it laggy compared to much worse gpu.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Iqbal Ansari:
I agree with you! Benchmarks doesnt matter, real world performance matters. Maybe Adreno 320 are not optimized properly in terms of software.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jinosong:
This discussion has actually turned out to be very informative for me. I was really thinking about getting a Nexus 5 but I think I might hold off and wait for the upcoming S5.

I don't care what others think and there are always going to be crazies stating, "I'll never buy a ___ phone again." This is true in every forum; Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG and even Apple. But it's just crazy talk and very immature. Do we really want to blame Samsung for components that are two years outdated now? What do you want them to do... Travel to the future just to please some nerdy middle school kid who has no clue on basic business principles or product life cycles?

What I do know for a fact is that I can trust Samsung to deliver the highest quality components in terms of performance RELATIVE TO THAT PERIOD IN TIME. I know the argument, "TouchWiz sucks," but you know what? I can install Nova Launcher for $2, install a custom rom and debloat the sh*t out of it. And dare I say, "AOSP IS OVERRATED TOO." Some users think of it like it's the holy grail of Android. It's not THAT great. Now I know find out here the GPU is overrated too.

I'm ready for the new Galaxy F.

The same users here complaining about the S3 will be complaining at the Nexus forums when the new Galaxy will come out.

Such First World worries. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmac31:
true but dont forget this. gpu is most important part of your phone if you are playing games. and you should see real world performace not benchmakrs. and check or test thermal throttling too if you have chance. like nexus 5 it cant keep full power on for 10 min on a heavy game. same goes for my nexus 4 too. and you cant see this on benchmarks. like touchwiz with full bloatware will be slow abit but benchmarks still show you high scores cuz tests dont check it.

so if you realy gonna buy a new phone and use it for long time. just wait some1 around you to buy it first or test it on somewhere else.

like lg g2 has s800 and adreno 330 too but it uses old drivers. benchmarks still show you high scores but games just has lower fps and laggy abit compared to other s800 phones. so dont check hardware names only.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] i9100g user:
At least mali400 got new drivers which gave a ~30% boost in epic citadel and other graphic benchmarks and maybe more in gaming.

I don't care about benchmarks ,as long as I can play games without lag (which I can right now at max graphics settings,thanks to new Mali drivers )

I think there will be a point when mali 400 would be heavily bottlenecked and then we would see difference in real life vs other modern GPUs (like Adreno 3xx) but for now it is not,instead it may perform better /worse depending on the optimisation of that particular game.