yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G2 General] maestromaestro:
I will take your 'no download' and raise you a cold brick

Well, I was glad to have found the thread that described my case perfectly (OTA brick, no recovery, no download, unable to reset). Thus, I installed Ubuntu, and followed all the steps. When I came to the final step of 'rebooting the phone', my VZW G2 VS980 (I think) was unresponsive to anything. I thought that perhaps it got fully discharged, so I hooked it up to a charger. And - nothing, not even after a few hours of charging. I realize that I used the files that may not be EXACTLY for the version I have, but someone on this thread suggested that these may still work. So - not sure if this was THE death blow...

If before Win8 recognized it as a Qualcomm device (with the attendant smorgasbord of phantom drives), now the error is for a generic 'unrecognized usb device'.

So - it is a complete brick, which does not respond to any hadrware inputs - i.e., matter what buttons are pressed and for how long, there is no response from the device.

Thoughts??

This is a copy from the terminal window, as it stands curently:

/dev/sda /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb5

/dev/sda1 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdb6

Disk /dev/sdb: 976773168 sectors, 465.8 GiB

Logical sector size: 512 bytes

Disk identifier (GUID): 918B6C9F-D1B0-49D5-8CA2-F14781192942

Partition table holds up to 128 entries

First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 976773134

Partitions will be aligned on 8-sector boundaries

Total free space is 4594 sectors (2.2 MiB)

Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name

1 63 780764729 372.3 GiB 0700 Microsoft basic data

5 780765184 959999999 85.5 GiB 8300 Linux filesystem

6 960002048 976771071 8.0 GiB 8200 Linux swap

:(
[G2 General] nykdpk:
My lg g2 d802 is hard bricked

iv'e flashed wrong firmware onto my LG D802 then it stuck at boot logo then iv'e used LG Flash Tool to Flash it again with CORRECT firmware.After flash device boots up but show Storage as 10.6 GB only. So iv'e tried to partition my LG G2 correctly using ADB Flash iv'e typed wrong commands and my LG G2 got Bricked.

No Download Mode no recovery mode at all.Screen doesn't flash at all... Please help me out with this problem iv'e tried all http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2582142 but no chance. Computer Doesn't recognize my G2 D802 at all.When connected shows USB Malfunctioned!:(
[G2 General] spartydroid51:
Device not recognized

Ok so i've made huge steps, I got my phone into download mode and I'm so close but i can't get my g2 to get recognized in device manager to change the port.

I have all the files I need and I have LG flash tools all ready to go but I kno I need to change the port in device manager to port 41, problem is i've tried both ports on my mac and neither of them recognize the devices, even with drivers installed already.

Running virtualbox with windows 7 so if anyone can help me get the device recognized i'll be in your debt.
[G2 General] Renecito:
Ok so i did this and everything worked fine but the option to hide the soft keys is not there ... ? Can anyone help me ?
[G2 General] kRel:
Unbrick G2 D802 32 GB

I apologize for not reading all the pages. Unfortunately, English is not my language and I have some :) difficulties ...

For this procedure, there are files for the 32GB (D802-f)?

If so give me the link to the page? Thanks . . . ;)
[G2 General] torrtorr:
I bricked my lg g2 as well - i really do not know what to do with this - Im going to send it to the shop where i buy that for service as this is in only one month old. Im curious if it will be accepted as in Warranty.
[G2 General] kRel:
Up . . .
[G2 General] bender_007:
Here you are.

Extract and use just the img's.
[G2 General] staylecrate:
Just something you can add that will help people.

I could not get Linux to load any of the partitions. When I connected my phone to the computer It would just show how ever my phone was connected; mtp://, ptp:// ect...

I finally ran the adb shell from windows and did "adb recovery reboot" once I did that and connected it to linux the partitions showed up and I was good to go. I don't know if this was addressed in the other threads of this post. Thanks again for the help!
[G2 General] bender_007:
Adb reboot recovery?
[G2 General] kRel:
Many thanks ...

I would never be able to find it. To avoid further problems, confirm that is for D802 32 GB (my is no brand,..) ?

Hi...
[G2 General] bender_007:
It's 16 gig aboot, boot, laf and recovery - d802.

As fat as I know the files are reported to be the same (kdz..)
[G2 General] alraggad:
i need this files

please i need this files

MPRG8974.hex / 8974_msimage.mbn / flash.xml / patch0.xml / rawprogram0.xml

my problem is my phone stay in black screen no lg logo no recovery mode no download mode and no fastmode

my phone connect to pc and show qhsusb_builk in device manager an after install drive show qualcomm hs-usb qdloader (9008) and try (9006) and not show any partition and qpst tool not download star

so please i need this file to use in qpst tool
[G2 General] crunchtime:
I am sure that I missed the answer to what I'm about to ask while sifting through this, but us any of this doable without Ubuntu? Is there a way to perform these commands on a Windows based laptop?
[G2 General] alraggad:
I did not succeed in any step

I did not succeed in any step :crying:

i run the ubuntu whith vmware

plug my phone in usb show

root@ubuntu:~# sudo lsusb

Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05c6:9008 Qualcomm, Inc. Gobi Wireless Modem (QDL mode)

Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0e0f:0003 VMware, Inc. Virtual Mouse

Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0e0f:0002 VMware, Inc. Virtual USB Hub

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

and

root@ubuntu:~# ls /dev/s*

/dev/sda /dev/sda5 /dev/sg2 /dev/sr1 /dev/stdout

/dev/sda1 /dev/sg0 /dev/snapshot /dev/stderr

/dev/sda2 /dev/sg1 /dev/sr0 /dev/stdin

/dev/serial:

by-id by-path

/dev/shm:

pulse-shm-184654232 pulse-shm-2958870888 pulse-shm-3878939426

pulse-shm-2367608487 pulse-shm-3241562876

/dev/snd:

by-path controlC0 midiC0D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1p seq timer

and unplug my phone in usb show

root@ubuntu:~# sudo lsusb

Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0e0f:0003 VMware, Inc. Virtual Mouse

Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0e0f:0002 VMware, Inc. Virtual USB Hub

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

root@ubuntu:~# ls /dev/s*

/dev/sda /dev/sda5 /dev/sg2 /dev/sr1 /dev/stdout

/dev/sda1 /dev/sg0 /dev/snapshot /dev/stderr

/dev/sda2 /dev/sg1 /dev/sr0 /dev/stdin

/dev/shm:

pulse-shm-184654232 pulse-shm-2958870888 pulse-shm-3878939426

pulse-shm-2367608487 pulse-shm-3241562876

/dev/snd:

by-path controlC0 midiC0D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1p seq timer

and not show disk in windows and ubuntu :crying:

please help
[G2 General] zepy3:
Bump for any other ideas or help.

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No.

Download ubuntu, install it onto a USB thumbdrive/flash drive, plug it in, tell your laptop to boot from the USB drive, use Ubuntu without having to install it and without having to erase Windows.
[G2 General] eddie 2t:
sdg39????

so I'm stuck on this, I tried pushing the files and I get " cant open file or folder", I am not sure what I am doing wrong, screen shot shows some info.
[G2 General] 6ril1:
If laf, boot and aboot were not enough, maybe try adding other partitions (at your risk, but in your place, to the point where you are, that's what I'll try)

dbi

misc

modem

persist

rpm

sbl1

tz

cust (if it exists)

and ultimately, if that was not enough, recovery too. You risk the final brick, but you're already, so ...
[G2 General] bender_007:
If the partitions are the same as they were before the Brock, it's fine
[G2 General] amdpox:
I managed to get my device into this state, and all seemed to be going well (had the partition table looking good) until I flashed sdl1.img, at which point suddenly all the block devices disappeared, leaving only the USB serial device. After a restart neither of my operating systems will recognise the device at all - windows tells me it's malfunctioning and on Linux dmesg is full of stuff like

[ 368.445645] usb 1-1.2: new high-speed USB device number 18 using ehci-pci
[ 378.857594] usb 1-1.2: device not accepting address 18, error -110
[ 378.857687] hub 1-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2

Screen won't turn on. Seems like it's totally boned now. :/

edit: Now showing up as a QDLoader, or a driverless "QHSUSB_BULK" in windows.
[G2 General] zepy3:
Thanks, I think I'm going to leave that for the last resort if I get back from the Verizon store tomorrow and they don't offer to fix it then I might as well risk a full brick.

Appreciate all the help from you and Bender as well!
[G2 General] bender_007:
It can't find the Files you're trying to push. Either be in same directory where the Files are or provide full path.
[G2 General] sanji94m:
I did all like the tutorial but nothing..

Hi guys i need a little help please.I just do all what the tutorial say but then i'm trying to go to recovery its just ask me you want to hard reset i push yes ,after another time you want to hard reset i push yes and after the phone reboot....I DONT HAVE ROOT ON MY D802 because i tryed to push the stock and i did hard reset and now im without recovery without download mode and without root .Somebody who can help please a coffe garantid.:o:good:
[G2 General] bender_007:
What happens after the reboot?
[G2 General] eddie 2t:
I placed the files on the desktop, the path is "home/ubuntu/desktop/laf.img". I tried on another PC and it still have me the same message.
[G2 General] bender_007:
Remember, it's Desktop, not desktop
[G2 General] eddie 2t:
OH WOW!!! It's caps sensitive???? Ok I'll type it exactly...thank you.
[G2 General] bender_007:
:) linux..
[G2 General] alraggad:
hello .... any help please

root@ubuntu:~# sudo lsusb

Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05c6:9008 Qualcomm, Inc. Gobi Wireless Modem (QDL mode)

Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0e0f:0003 VMware, Inc. Virtual Mouse

Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0e0f:0002 VMware, Inc. Virtual USB Hub

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

and

root@ubuntu:~# ls /dev/s*

/dev/sda /dev/sda5 /dev/sg2 /dev/sr1 /dev/stdout

/dev/sda1 /dev/sg0 /dev/snapshot /dev/stderr

/dev/sda2 /dev/sg1 /dev/sr0 /dev/stdin

/dev/serial:

by-id by-path

/dev/shm:

pulse-shm-184654232 pulse-shm-2958870888 pulse-shm-3878939426

pulse-shm-2367608487 pulse-shm-3241562876

/dev/snd:

by-path controlC0 midiC0D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1p seq timer

and not show any partition in windows and ubuntu :crying:
[G2 General] eddie 2t:
I was able to push all the files into the phone without a problem, but right after I pushed TWRP recovery the phone just shut down and it won't respond to any button combitation, won't power-up, won't even charge the battery as it did before, won't even be recognized in Linux....did I totally nuked it??

Booted to Win 8.1 64bit, and it was recognized as "Unknown USB Device (device Descriptor Request Failed)". what is this?? is it Fastboot??
[G2 General] -iNCEPTiON-:
Hello everyone, Last night I bricked my phone ! I was restoring to stock using download mode (LG flash tool) and suddenly the cable was disconnected due to my mistake and now I cannot go to download mode and recovery ! I tried to follow the guide in this thread .. I installed the drivers and everything .. but when I go to Ubuntu , and type ls /dev/sd* and it just shows /dev/sda and nothing else :( i tried connecting and disconnecting the phone but ubuntu doesn't do anything please help .. my phone is bricked :((
[G2 General] Brappa:
I have the same question.

After writing files from first post my phone began hang on LG logo.

Now there is NO download mode and no recovery.

And there is no usb devices at all.

After investigating some forums i managed to boot into dead mode ( qdloader 9008 )

(You need power down, short C5000 or C5004 capacitor and plug USB)

I want to restore some partitions through QPST but now i don't know the methods.

PS: my model is D802 32Gb
[G2 General] berserkk:
Can you give more detail on how to short to enable. Qdloader?
[G2 General] Brappa:
1) remove cover

2) unscrew upper plastic

3) remove buttons plate with shield

4) uplug battery and plug again

5) short C5000 or C5004 or together. While shorting plug USB.

I don't know what to do next.
[G2 General] dizigma:
After doing this my verizon vs980 ( I used files for my device, not the ones provided in the OP), it won't even boot to the lg logo and is not recognized by linux anymore. Anything I can do?
[G2 General] -iNCEPTiON-:
I managed to run the tutorial just fine .. but now its not booting in recovery mode , no download mode and its just stuck at LG LOGO ? what should I do now ???
[G2 General] -iNCEPTiON-:
I tried doing this but LG logo appears all the time and its not doing anything.. Please help :(
[G2 General] -iNCEPTiON-:
can anybody help please :((
[G2 General] amdpox:
Not recognised at all, or just not showing up as drives any more? If you run "sudo lsusb" in a terminal and you see something like "Qualcomm, Inc. Gobi Wireless Modem (QDL mode)" then you're in the qhsusb_dload boat that me (and it seems a couple of others) are in. The hope is that we can get the right files together to flash with QPST; but personally QPST won't even recognise my device, even with the qualcomm 9008 drivers installed. :/

The behaviour I see from the serial device in Linux is as described in http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=54821229&postcount=71 - apparently it's the Sahara protocol. However, on Windows the QPST configuration tool does not recognise it as a phone in Sahara mode. :s
[G2 General] faruk_black:
help

I have a g2 asking ls980 model

Which of the following commands in the fast type fastboot boot:

fastboot erase boot

fastboot erase aboot

fastboot erase recovery

fastboot erase words

fastboot reboot

then ubuntu terminal

Files to download from here

1 sbl1.img

2 aboot.img

3 rpm.img

4 tz.img

Openrecovery-TWRP-2.6.3.2-5-980 ZVC 8 img files I installed g2sprls

phone still does not turn on. laf.img will recognize, and boot.img had previously deleted.

now ubuntu

What can I do I can not see the files? please help
[G2 General] -iNCEPTiON-:
I am really getting frustrated now :( LG Logo appears and its not going to download mode and recovery also :(( please some one help :((
[G2 General] joeyman:
1 time is there the 2-th time it's gone

When im connecting the phone i have to try many times this command

ls /dev/sd*

Sometimes i'm getting the phone, but when i try again it's gone. Like the phone is keep connecting and disconnect.

I'm getting really nervous 2 days im having the same problem.....

root@joey-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Y570:~# ls /dev/sd*

/dev/sda /dev/sda2 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb1

/dev/sda1 /dev/sda5 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb2

root@joey-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Y570:~# ls /dev/sd*

/dev/sda /dev/sdc /dev/sdc16 /dev/sdc23 /dev/sdc30 /dev/sdc5

/dev/sda1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdc17 /dev/sdc24 /dev/sdc31 /dev/sdc6

/dev/sda2 /dev/sdc10 /dev/sdc18 /dev/sdc25 /dev/sdc32 /dev/sdc7

/dev/sda5 /dev/sdc11 /dev/sdc19 /dev/sdc26 /dev/sdc33 /dev/sdc8

/dev/sda6 /dev/sdc12 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdc27 /dev/sdc34 /dev/sdc9

/dev/sdb /dev/sdc13 /dev/sdc20 /dev/sdc28 /dev/sdc35

/dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc14 /dev/sdc21 /dev/sdc29 /dev/sdc36

/dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc15 /dev/sdc22 /dev/sdc3 /dev/sdc4

root@joey-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Y570:~# ls /dev/sd*

/dev/sda /dev/sda2 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb1

/dev/sda1 /dev/sda5 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb2

root@joey-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Y570:~# ^C

root@joey-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Y570:~#
[G2 General] amdpox:
Are they also disappearing from /dev/disk/by-partlabel ? Do you see anything in dmesg after the disappearance?
[G2 General] joeyman:
Fix

I finaly pass that first part of this toutorial, now i have twrp recovery on my phone. The problem was mu usb mouse, i remove the usb and the phone was read by ubuntu just fine then.

____________________________________________________________________________________________

But now im stuck on boot lop in twrp, and i don't know what to do.

I'v tryed this

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/fota

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/misc

from the twrp but it's not working, im steal booting in it.....

Don't know what to o any more... and my download mode is broken, i can only see at the begining download mode and it's stuck like it. It does not show nothing more...
[G2 General] rthefley:
I'm in a pickle.

Like many others here, I also have a bricked LG G2 ATT d800. I've tried ubuntu and pushing various files / recoveries over the course of a handful of attempts to regain control of my phone. No such luck. I do NOT have fast boot, download mode. I can access hard reset, but it does nothing. I am fortunate to still see the phone in Ubuntu. The one thing my phone does do is upon turning on or using hard reset gives me a very brief ( 1/2 second ) LG logo.

I would like to offer a $40 dollar paypal bounty / donation to the person that can give me the correct info that gives me back control of my phone. I can make that donation directly to xda dev on behalf of that person or directly to that individuals pocket. I'm offering this donation / bounty for the simple reason of desperation. Also, this is what a good local phone shop would charge to unbrick the phone. I did stop at a few and was told there are a few shops here in Kansas City that should be able to do this for me. I've benefited greatly from these forums over the years that I wanted to give back in some small fashion.

It should be noted that I've tried to get help via another forum post - http://xdaforums.com/lg-g2/help/seeks-expert-help-bricked-att-lg-g2-t2895616

At the time, I was unaware of these massive thread.

p/s - Yes, I am good for the bounty / donation.
[G2 General] reachedxyz:
i need qhload usb 9008. i unbrick 9008 free you f320l/s/k
[G2 General] berserkk:
Just some advice

what version firmware were you on before you bricked?

have you downloaded the right firmware for your device? should be a kdz file?

use your imei to download the latest firmware for your device:

http://csmg.lgmobile.com:9002/csmg/b2c/client/auth_model_check2.jsp?esn=<imei here>

if you dont have your imei ? you can hold all three power, vol down + vol up while turning on, to see if you can get into test mode - should have imei there

use the following tool to: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2600575

extract dz from the kdz file

extract bin files from dz file

these bin files are what you can flash using the instructions on this thread

WARNING:

when you use

gdisk -l /dev/sdb

Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name
1 32768 163839 64.0 MiB 0700 modem
2 163840 165887 1024.0 KiB FFFF sbl1
3 165888 166911 512.0 KiB FFFF dbi
4 196608 197631 512.0 KiB FFFF DDR
5 229376 231423 1024.0 KiB FFFF aboot
6 231424 233471 1024.0 KiB FFFF rpm
7 262144 294911 16.0 MiB FFFF boot
8 294912 296959 1024.0 KiB FFFF tz

and get a result like above

Make sure that the files you flash are the exact same size as the partitions (substract start sector from end sector to get byte size), if they are not the same you will not be flashing the same file and can corrupt other partitions.
[G2 General] alraggad:
hello .... any help please

root@ubuntu:~# sudo lsusb

Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05c6:9008 Qualcomm, Inc. Gobi Wireless Modem (QDL mode)

Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0e0f:0003 VMware, Inc. Virtual Mouse

Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0e0f:0002 VMware, Inc. Virtual USB Hub

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

and i don't see any partitions in windows and ubuntu
[G2 General] mohitjindal18:
Unable to find files for F320L

Hi,

I have LG G2, F320L, Korean model. Whenever I start my phone, only LG logo appears. "Sometimes" I am able enter fastboot mode and sometimes recovery mode. Download mode is unavailable.

I have tried to unbrick my phone using method mentioned here - "http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2477595" . But I am unable to succeed using this method.

Then I came across this solution, but I am unable to find .img files for F320L. The files menitoned in this link are .bin files and not .img. I couldn't convert .bin files to .img using format converter also mentioned later in the thread. I went through all the messages on this thread. But unable to find a link. Please help me. I am in desperate need of solution.

I am new to all this. So If is the solution is already mentioned, kindly direct me to that. I am getting confused with all this knowledge flowing around.
[G2 General] rajnathr:
No PC detection

No Recovery

No Download Mode

No FastBoot.

No button combination works.

Noting possible to recover the phone just only LG Logo and noting more.

Same was here so from Malaysia I sent the phone with my friend to Dubai where it was purchased and he handed over the shop from where it was purchased.

The LG Engineer upon checking the phone noted fault as PCB error, and has to be replaced,

Which was done and I received my phone within 15 days without paying single buck.. so now they don't know if the phone is rooted or not.

SO if any one is having any problem and still has warranty PLEASE PLEASE visit LG care center, they will just check and will ask say simply say I don't know what happened.

GOOD LUCK to ALL...
[G2 General] -iNCEPTiON-:
What was replaced?? As I am in the same situation .. I have given the phone to a shop here and they said that they need to Jtag that !
[G2 General] rajnathr:
They replaced the PCB board free of cost. I will if possible post the receipt from LG care center
[G2 General] -iNCEPTiON-:
I have no idea about that .. But the guy said that it needs to be JTagged
[G2 General] aau2106:
When I try to type gdisk -l /dev/sdb its says that gdisk is not installed, but when I try to install it nothing happens
[G2 General] Mytwuk:
This method here has worked for me twice after an update

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/fota

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/misc
[G2 General] momoqas:
hello

today i bricked my phone and i don't know what to do

first i was in cloudy g3 and i wipe the internal storage

then i want to back to the stock firmware with lg flash tool but i stuck in fastboot with lg logo

then i try this thread : http://xdaforums.com/show....php?t=2582142

and i use D802 files for my vs980

then the phone power off but when i plugged in my pc, the phone detected as qhsusb_bulk in device manager

but without logo, no download mode,... anything

and i don't know what to do please help me:crying::crying:

any help would be appreciated
[G2 General] -iNCEPTiON-:
Why did u use files for D802 as it handset is VS980? ?u should hAve used files for ur device
[G2 General] momoqas:
i think i lose my phone forever :crying:
[G2 General] lmlichigo:
Bad Rwcovery

HI Guys !

After an unsuccessful change rom my phone died.

I use this solution to repair my phone but by accident I noticed and poorly recorded recovery.

Now my phone is not even detected by the computer and do not have access to twrp(only Factory reset mode), download, or phone memory.

Thanks for help ! :)
[G2 General] george7565:
Force qhsbusb mode

hey chk this, found this on jtag forums

[In order to connect, device must be detected by system as Qualcomm HS-USB QDLoader communication port. To force device into this mode (that is if your device is dead but there is still no USB activity when you connect it to PC with USB cable) use testpoint to disable the eMMC memory – for this shortcut specified point on the schematics to the GND during power-on stage.]

I dont understand anything but we can force qhsbusb mode, if phone does not connect to pc either linux or windows..

We need to ask a jtag service personnel which pin on phone should be grounded to force this mode..

Then we can try this fix..

Lg service centre said i need to replace motherboard and i dont hav warranty...This sol might be my only hope....:(:(

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boot into linux and try this fix...:o