[Galaxy Note 3 General] Absolon:
And with a company that does fair play you don't have to worry that they push something you don't want on your phone.

And they do. Don't be too sure that just because you turned your settings off that it protects you, because if you read through posts you will see that people got updates pushed, disregarding whatever setting you had. And that is certainly not fair play

But to answer your question. First. Just dropping names here and there doesn't do it. To ride on someones "fame" to gain more authority and merit to your post is bad rhetoric.

You should be able to do that on your own.

Yes, there are many who are way better then me, but the nice thing is that when you asked them, they know they once been there themselves and don't feel the need to project personal problems and anger on some random person they never met.

Just that we passed the 100 post mark and XDA automatically put a "senoir" next to the name means nothing more then we are good at bull****ting online,

Doesn't tell if you are 1337 or a n00b. Even if you post 10000 post doesn't mean that you have any deeper understanding.

But new users don't know that, and treating others without respect scares them away. Makes them afraid to ask. Who wants a snotty answer back on their first post?

So please. Make this a constructive place. If you are angry I recommend Reddit/Imgur/Flashback. There you can project whatever you want or need.

I don't know how to code a single line in Java!

But I'm awesome in C64 Basic!! And I managed to write "Hello World" in BF!

And I know several Asm's and I coded mostly in C (and C++ when it was still readable) and did my VHDL/Erlang-hell period (and I tested like 20++ other languages, some enforced during my master but some just for fun. I can write "Hello World!" in Sun's start eeprom!) but that was looong time ago. So I'm "rusty". Old. There are so many nifty new things. But then. Mostly I use something invented 200 years ago - A stethoscope. But there is a new COOL one! BT! With noise reduction and spectrum analysis! No more things that hurt in my ears! For the little sum of 1500 € it's yours!..... Bleh.

But I'm not ashamed of that! I can learn if I want. XDA is a great place for that. Even have their own Android University!

:)

I'm fairly good with Unix. Even made money of it. For over 8 years. And the good with that is that some things we still use today haven't changed since 1973!

And I worked some with hardware but I need a new JTAG. Know a good one? So many to choose and I don't know the quality or what is needed?

Do the board even have pins or do you have to weld them? I hate welding!

You say conspiracy. I say concern and worry.

Why are people starting to get worried?

It's not as much as conspiracy then more why they are behaving like they do?

The fact is simple - the unknown

The word SELinux has come to more people now since it's mandatory in 4.3. The "moblie magazines", M3, Android** talks about the "news in 4.3".

But what is SELInux?

So people turn to the trusty Wikipedia for answers: Wikipedia - SELinux

And the first lines they see are

That is what people see!!

I can bet some even read "police" and not "policies". The see all this and that SCARES THEM.

With the recent scandals in mind of NSA hacking everything including the Germans Chancellors phone, an alley??

And here, the American spy-outpost towards Sovjet/Russia since 1947. We have also a 3-letter agency. And not many weeks ago there where front pages that they shared the databases with each other. So is that so hard to understand?

So to get from the unknowns they start to look

So you turn to Samsung for answers, And they treat you like cattle. And they stonewall you? No transparency whatsoever.

They reminds me of Nokia when they also went into "grandiose mode" and also through they could do whatever they please because of their total dominance. But they forgot one thing. The consumers got more and more unhappy. And they was their sole income. And when get got that in their heads it was too late. What are they now? Decimated to nothing. Trying desperately with a yet another attempt by Microsoft that is deemed to fail. How many times have Microsoft tried to get in on the hand-held market? I lost count.

And then they start to Google. XDA turns up like the first thing. Find their phone and see "Knox?"

(SELinux==NSA) --> Enterprise solution? On my private phone? Encryption? Damage? Container? What do I need THAT for?

"I don't want THAT on my phone! NSA. Enterprise. Container? Where is the opt out? There are none? I was NOT informed of this!"

That is what I find that worrying and I share that with many others.

Yes, some say it's just a flag. Not on S4. Look how many got problem with Wifi. I got them as well. And I knew when I broke my Knox.

Since SS goes all this trouble to hinder you to gain root access that they even had an E-fuse that does cause hardware damage.

To prevent "Triangle Away"? As your friend if he believes it's because of that?

I don't have to use SELinux to run code past your nose, root or not, but SELinux does it so much easier, since you can define it do hide processes from normal users and it has the possibility to run 3rd-party code. You know that, right?

Since we don't know what is run on the phone you can't be sure it's not something with some intent? So why not investigate it? What is going on in the phone?

Aren't you curious? I am. I would love to be able to root? Can I after #16 on MJ7?

But sure ask them, please. Give it a try

Ask them for example why Wifi stopped working after Knox was tripped on your S4?

Ask them what the extent of the damage they have done?

Ask them where this "Efuse data" is, on what address-range so you can avoid it? Data for a flag? Wasn't that just burned in?

Ask them why you can't update with Kies anymore? Wasn't that just a flag?

Ask them anything.

And I'm sure you will get a message back (if you get any) from "Steve". The poor overworked guy that serves the whole world and he always seems to write the same? We compared. He sits and write the same text over and over? "Sorry, we can't divulge this information at the moment".

Poor Steve!

Come back to the mother-continent! I promise, we've stopped flogging, guillotine, quartering and we changed the stake for a steak!

We have much more fun! 6 weeks of full paid vacation. Here in Sweden we have Polar bears! While we sit in our igloos and make watches.

And we have better beer as well! ;)

If you see turning of a setting as a merit I think you should add that to your CV (and I was not alone in this).

I did as 99% of all do. Unpack the phone. Skip the instruction. Put in the sim and the sd-card and then turn it on.

BAM! I don't even think I had the time to enter my Gmail?

But you didn't. Great! :)

Here your knowledge would be useful! Help your fellow XDA members. In the spirit of XDA!

Can you dump the phone? Not block-wise but by reading the whole contact of the eeproms?

Can you compare your fstab and it sizes? Do they correspond to the space you have? If you dump them and compare it to the first, Do the differ much is size (a bit is natural)?

Can you use parted and list the partitions? Are all mounted? What rights do they have? Can you read them all?

The security policies in /system. What do they contain? See anything strange?

Can you compare what processes you see as a user and root?

Can you list the rules loaded in the kernel? MAC? (I think you need to compile the commands for it or get it from some Arm dist, they are not included)

Strace some processes that you don't recognize?

The kcryptd? What do they work against?

What files are open and locked? What does the stat say?

See kvm? Or are you in a kvm?

Here you can actually

ACT and DO

something

constructive and concrete

or is this just, as from my compressor, high pressured air comming from your side?

Time will tell I guess.

For the others that have messaged me: A BIG BIG THANK YOU! :)

And no, I don't have enough volunteers, if you do have this configuration, mess me. Or test sometime from test list. The dumping should be used by experienced users but you can do a lot on that list and you can zip and sent me some files. Rules, Pipe out the process lists.

I don't care how much you can or can't. Ask away! We started at the beginning somewhere and I will do my best, ask around, and TOGETHER, we might get some result, because we want to DO something and maybe we CAN help right? Either we find something or we don't. If we are sure and can say "The system seems clean". That would calm a LOT people down. Including me.

/Abs

And with this I won't go into more arguments about this. It's enough. I saw this as an excellent solution to see and check. Not to argue.

I already lost too much time on bla bla bla. I want to spend the time I have on things that matter. My friends that have their phones destroyed.

Use the list or make another! All seem to have their own experiences/views. Samsung must love this division.

Just DO something!

Like in all research

: Stipulate, challenge, prove, disprove, confirm, dismiss. Start over.

If you need to vent, you can PM me as well, Xblub. :)