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[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Gajet:
lol ahh time for this game eh?

Well how about

http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/6265.html

or

http://www.coolsmartphone.com/article499.html

or

http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/showthread.php?t=29733

or

http://phonearena.com/htmls/readreviews.php?id=1068&page=0&category=

and more importantly http://www.stuffmagazine.co.uk/top10.asp?id=35 Number 2 in Stuff magazines top 10 mobile phones for teh win.

:lol: :roll:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] jah:
@gajet, I was trying to show that people who have undertaken extensive assessments don't agree with the online reviews that often are just based on spec sheets.

This is no game for people who have spent $900 and are unahppy with what they have discovered.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
Not whinging... protecting my fair statement possibly... what is the title of this thread again? oh yes.. the biggest problem with the Universal:

I simply stated that for me the phone function is not as good as it could & should be... Don't remember saying anything about hating my Universal, etc etc... but you always seem to be argumentative towards me silly con

disgruntled & moaning, eh? so no-one has gripes in other online forums then eh? makes good reading though don't you think? I mean, it caught your eye, made you think & at least post something - even though you haven't joined in with your personal 'biggest problem' or annoyance (apart from me) with your Universal model... do you have one?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
BTW

I just found this at the 'Please read this before posting" thread at the beginning of the UNiversal forum:

Peter Poelman wrote:

8. Stay cool

Think of this as a on-line temple. A sacred place, dedicated to collaboration, learning and collective wisdom. Don't shout and try not to get angry. Maybe the world should adhere more to the basic filosofy of Internet protocol design: "Be strict about what you send, and liberal about what you receive". This forum has people from all countries, cultures and levels of mental maturity. This means that no matter what you're like, you'll have to adjust to people that are most definitely not like you. But on the other hand, try to be gentle with people, even in the event they're not gentle with you. It will gain you many reputation points if you help to keep the peace.

:wink:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
yes funny... so it IS a phone then?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cdally:
simon_darley, I'm with you...get over it girls.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
I'm looking for a crying emoticon... there aint one... nor a baby spitting its dummy out...

but cdally... do you have any 'issue' with your Universal or do you see every aspect of it as excellent?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] raymondu999:
Say, uh.. You wouldn't be saying Bill Gates is your uncle now, would you?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cdally:
I believe that this is the best all in one device available. If you want a phone buy a phone. If you want a pda with no mobile data functionality buy a normal pda. If you want a pda with excellent connectivity and data options then buy a Universal. The phone functionality, for me, is just a useful by-product of the data capability. I for one would MUCH rather have a universal than a pda-plus-phone-connected-by-cable-or-bluetooth-combo nightmare to enable web access, which was our option before these types of devices came to market.

No one is wrong here but this device must be seen for what it is in the context of the current technology lanscape.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
sure.. but how do YOU rate the phone function... have you experienced any issues with dropping calls, call/ring response, BT problems or other performance issues? Are you satisfied with the Universals function as a phone device... we know you're happy with all the other bells and whistles but focusing simply on the phone being a phone - does it live up to current standards in your honest opinion??
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cdally:
CLEARLY the Uni will never be as slick in phone mode as a phone, but that's not the point.

OK so the thing doesn't ring straight away (what's a few seconds?), apparently occasionally it drops calls (mine doesn't) and people have reported BT problems (mine works fine) ... BIG DEAL.

Lets not forget the pda-style size and battery life of a Uni rules it out as a mobile phone replacement, if that's your primary reason for purchase, and you make more than a "on the move" few calls per day, then you made a mistake. Unless you only make a few calls per day (on the move) the Uni is not a suitable voice com replacement device - I carry a V600i that I use for all but a very few personal calls per day. In addition to the above my feeling is that a device of this size and shape will never really replace a standard mobile until it has WORKABLE voice dialing via a Bluetooth headset - does any phone yet? - because it's impossible to make a call with one hand. And ever then you have the problem of not being able to easily see the caller display (maybe Sony Ericsson's new headset will help - http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp...oader&php=php1_10394&zone=pp&pid=10394&lm=pp1 )

So...If what you really want is a phone with an organiser built in - use your T610! But don't blame me when it starts dropping calls like mine used to! Not that I minded because at the time it was the smallest coolest phone around.

One day we may get there with a perfect device but then someone will realise that the perfect device is missing someother new technology, and then that will be added and there will be glitches initially...then this will be fixed until something else is added...and the story repeats...would we have ever have had a Universal if there'd never been a Wallaby (which was, let's face it, pretty rubbish and missing loads of functionality - but still cutting edge in it's day)...and quite right too, I would rather have the option of buying a cutting edge device today with all of the functionality I need, albeit with some glitches, than have to wait forever before it is released after a long testing period by which time it is out of date...it's just the way it works. Iterative process.

I bought it because it allows me access to my mail/calendar/MS docs/contacts/IM etc from anywhere without any effort. It replaces several other devices leaving my bag/pockets/car uncluttered (satnav / mp3 /laptop(sometimes) /camera(sometimes) /books/blahblah) etc. Basically it means I can work from anywhere, which for me is important as I spend my time at airports, in hired cars, in hotels etc all over the world, usually with no time (or inclination) to get a laptop out. (PS you caught me on a rare "office" based day, hence the wordy reply!)

That's it.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
but precisely that fact - and thanks for finally admitting it - is my point... !

The phone could be and SHOULD be better!!

phew!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
now then.. getting back to the title of the thread... does anyone else have any views on the universals biggest problem?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] SiliconS:
Anyone else care apart from philtech44?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Pyrojester:
Biggest problem: How it is marketed. It is a PDA with access to GSM and GPRS, not a phone with a PDA added on.

It is clearly not going to be a great phone, As anyone with previous experience with the old XDAs can confirm. If you view it as a mini-laptop, it is amazing. With a 4gb SD card it is a replacement for your ipod, and the WiFi and GPRS (With TrueVGA) means it is a perfect web browser as well. If you want a phone that is guarenteed to work as an effective phone, buy a nokia, one that the OS has been evolved over the last few decades.

I agree with the Jeep analogy. If you want to make calls with no issues, get a phone, but if you want to check your email, watch videos, use GPS and play a few games of Age of Empires, while retaining phone functionality, then the Exec is the way to go.

Hell, if you want a perfect phone with external display and PDA fuctionality, glue a RAZR to an Axim.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] JohnH:
Biggest Problem? Surely the number of names:

O2 Xda Exec

T-Mobile MDA Pro

Orange SPV M5000

i-Mate JasJar

Vodafone VPA IV

Qtek 9000

Dopod 900

HTC Universal

not to mention the other names in minority markets!

:lol:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
*yawns*

I never started the thread and I'm not the only participant sillyconS

stop trying to pick on me and join in
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
No, no, no... what are you on about man?

Perfection? I want all the things you mention yes... but we deserve in this day and age.. a stable, functional phone within the Universal...

It's not bleedin rocket science is it? This is the year 2006 man... not 1986!

The phone should be better - that's my point... & I suspect most of you agree...

Can you honestly say you feel that the phone function of the Universal is up to par for todays technology? Is it good enough a phone... yes the PDA, the email, Video, audio & gaming capabilities are all wonderful... no argument... but stop avoiding the FACT that the Universal - as a phone - sucks!! Come on guys... you seem to find it soooo hard to admit... yuet no-one is denying it really are they?

Who wants to argue that they think the Universals phone function is in the top 5 features?

I've read between the lines of all the posts here.. and no one is standing up for the phone function just masking the fact by going on about all the other wonderful functions which I haven't mentioned instead!!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cdally:
aaaaaaaaaaaarggggggggghhhhhhhhh, WHATEVER.

Get over it and buy a Nokia, if you're so obsesed with phone functionality.

IT IS NOT A BLOODY PHONE. IT'S A PDA.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] tailazoom:
Current market offers two ways for a convergent device: phones acquiring pda functionality and pda acquiring phone functionality. Given that phone functionality is less complex, we are on the winning side.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Gajet:
lol the thread that just won't die.

OK the device as a phone sucks does it? Well if I want I dial a number and that persons phones rings, and we have a 2 way conversation (allready an improvement on the Blue Angel here). If someone wants to speak to me they call my number and after a tiny pause which has not affected me in any way my exec rings I answer the call and have a 2 way conversation. The calls never drop and in the car my Bluetooth headset works perfectly, including voicedialling. So how does the phone suck.

Is it the best and fastest phone on the market.... No only a pure phone is likely to ever achieve that. Is it the best phone with organiser functions... possibly not, Symbian has been evolved a lot longer and is probably better in this role. (I still have a Psion series 3 lying around). Is this the best Windows powered PDA with phone capabilities on the current market. I believe yes.

I still stand by my first point. The biggest problem with the Universal is the end user, And the telco's who supply it to them and love to provide their own versions of the firmware.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] phattapple:
Hi all,

I'm new to the whole Universal thing myself as I have only had my SPV M5000 for 3 weeks however I've been reading through these forums since then learning what I can and trying to make sense of the devices many superb functions with all your help.

I have been reading this thread over the past 2 days and felt the urgent need to finally register and come out of the woodwork so to speak.

I think that philtech44 is simply moaning about the quality of the Universals phone and nothing else. Now, from the many things I've read here at XDA-dev there are definitely a number of grievances different members have complained about.

Also I have realised since becoming a M500 owner and user that the phones operational quality is substandard in some respects due to the time it takes to start ringing when a call is coming through, the losing calls issues and indeed slow and unstable BT problems too.

So I tend to agree with what philtech44 is saying but would also like to say that for a PDA/Phone it is a remarkable device on the whole... but maybe when this model is updated the manufacturers will redesign & fix its issues as far as its mobile phone functioning is concerned anyway...

Anyway, what a fantastic site this is, and I can't tell you how many of my questions have been answered here... keep up the excellent work guys!

Tony
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] jah:
The same conclusion I came to many months ago. I love the screen and keyboard and the wifi with 3G integration. So I started to use my Exec as a mini tablet with a Moto v3x (3G handset). But when using MS Reader, PIE, Opera and Agenda Fusion I did suffer memory leaks. Gajet would claim this is my problem and WM5 is perfect at memory management. So my issue is that even as a connected PDA it has low RAM and poor memory management. I hope a third-party developer can provide a utility to reclaim the "lost" memory - if they can I will start to use my Exec again.

Edit: I use UMTS and the video calling is as good as other 3G handsets
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cdally:
talazoom, Gajet, ninja12nnotts...THANK-YOU.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
so its a PDA with the added bonus of a crappy phone then eh?

being sold by all the mobile phone networks who specialise in PDA's with crappy phones?

Therefore, is the phone function on the Universal better, the same, or worse than that of earlier models such as M1000, M2000 ???
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] ninja12innotts:
As Gajet has said

As a phone I choose a number and dial it, they answer we talk end call.

Someone dials me I answer we talk then end the call.

The smart dialing works well, start entering the number or contact name and it narrows the search down to the contact or number you want.

The best part for me compared to alot of the "normal" phones is the smart dialing.

Texting is more of a pleasure due to the keyboard.

I have used smartphones for a few years SPV E100, E200 and C550.

I still use the C550 as a second phone when I want something smaller say on a night out. Usefull for calling for a taxi while bladdered.

My last "normal" phone was an ericsson T68, great little phone, but compared to the Universal I find the menus too slow now actually the whole phone, crude menus and slow. ( Still got it for emergency's but showing its age now ).

The Universal works as a phone, I havent missed a call, well not through the phones fault.

I dont use vCards never have so havent missed anything there.

Bluetooth headset no problems as of yet.

Network coverage, no problems, set to GSM not auto.

The only thing it could do with to make it better from the phone side for me is an external display for when the clam shell is closed, to display time and phone number/ contact name when recieving a call.

I can not compare it to an M1000 as never had one. The above is my experiences of using it as a phone.

It works and I dont have any problems.

As a PDA it works and I dont have any problems. ( Apart from the odd soft reset as stated in earlier post, I put this down to testing some different software on trial and them causing the problems, needless to say I didnt go ahead and buy them. )

What a problem free device I have. Wish my life was as problem free as the universal.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cdally:
Well said - now - hopefully philtech44 will not reply and we will all be able to go back to our lives...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Pyrojester:
Have you even noticed how the mobile phone companies sell pcmcia data cards? I dont hear people complaining how they don't function as phones, even though holy sh!t they are sold by mobile phone companies!!!. I think of the XDA as something inbetween a phone and a laptop - If you were to make the phone better it would require limiting the PDA functionality.

HTC and M$ don't make the second delay just to piss you off, and the bluetooth issues will be sorted out with rom updates.

Don't buy a new design PDA with a new OS and expect everything to work fine straight away.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] dreamtheater39:
Nudging the post to the top of the list.... *nudge nudgeee* :P

I'm loving it......keep *****ing girls :P

hee hee

San
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
Page 4!

I'm back.. like a bad recurring dream... :twisted:

You're all still avoiding the fact that the phone function is not up to scratch for a 2005 model PDA/phone/Toaster/Fridge/Helicopter/Roof Tile.... with a "built-in phone"!

Listen, face this guys - if Orange started selling roof tiles with built-in phones, but the roof tile ran had a 520Mhz processor, ran WM2005, had wi-fi, a nice VGA screen, etc etc etc....

But...

the phone wasn't as good as most on the market...

well... question is... would you guys the admit the phone should & could be better??

or would you happily lug your 9" x 9" pieces of slate around happily bragging about all the other GOOD functions??

LOL
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] JohnH:
Okay so the orange radio rom is a pain. Upgrade it and quit moaning. The same way everyone upgraded their T68's to T68i's when the software got better.

*posted in a light-hearted mood*
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] JohnH:
up to scratch doesn't really mean anything anyhow. It's up to scratch for me. It hunts for signal okay, makes calls clearly and doesn't drop them. It pairs well with my BlueAnt X3 Micro headset, although my Jabra BT800 sucked (twas the heaset). Volume is good, call clarity is good, inbuilt microphone is good. You could try seperating what you don't like about the carcass & innards from the OS, device drivers/stacks and operator customisation. then you'd seem less like you were having a pointless rant. Still, don't worry about it too much, you can sell it on eBay and buy a T68i. You should have £400 credit to buy a dell laptop with that. 8)

*wanders off to bed whistling*
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Jorgee:
Can I join in?

For whoever it was that was complaining about the phone of the universal (i got lost who it was) and claiming that it could be better:

Can you please give me some insight as to how it could be better (for my benefit and the benefit of the manufacturers, if they are reading)

I have used my QTEK for 4 months and for me it does function as a phone quite normally. No complaints from my part. I probably got confused by the length of this topic reading all 4 pages, but could you please state what could be improved in the phone hardware that's buggin you? Or what it is doing that a normal "good " phone doesn't do?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] SiliconS:
For the record, I'm not avoiding any facts. I'm avoiding your claim that the phone isn't up to scratch because I disagree with you. Mine's fine. Just as good as the various Nokias I had before I bought my first XDA (ii).
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Gajet:
Try a Blue Angel, like I had the unfortunate chance to do so, or just look up the Unidirectional call bug on this forum. That previous device had a bug between the interoperations of bluetooth and phone functions that prevented you from having a 2 way conversation. So compared to that the Universals phone functions are just amazing.

replied just for you Dreamtheater39 :wink:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
it could be better, it should be better... I bet when they release a newer model the phone and bluetooth functions are better..!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Gajet:
See thats a difficult issue. Take the best phone only mobile on todays market, and compare it in a year or 2's time with the best then. The new one will probably be better, but does that mean the old one was rubbish when it was available.

Take the Exec and compare it again in a year or 2's time and there will probably be something better. My main arguement is comparing the Exec against it's current peers it is not rubbish and is potentially the best currently available.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
Sounds like slippery sales talk to me Gaj baby... The Universal's phones quality is not what it should be as a current model for todays technology standards... My point is that if it's good by your standards then there would be no need for it to be improved in the next release.. I beleiev it will be improved however... I believe this, because it's just not good enough now!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
at least were finally pinpointing the phone though and not the other Universal functions... don't get me wrong.. I love the Universal as a multi-function device... to have so many functions in one unit and have them all working is a fantastic achievement... the phones a bit crappy tho LOL :-)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] philtech44:
yeah, yeah...

I know what some of you are thinking!

get philtech44 and v4victory in a thread together.....

uh uh - it ain't gonna happen peeps.... as much as you'd like it... uh uh, sorry :-)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] RyanZA:
Yep, a troll indeed - albeit a good natured one. :lol:

So by your reply you seem to imply that you dont have these problems, but you still dont actually say what your problems are. "The phone isnt good enough" - I don't really understand this. The phone works fine. I can contact anybody else in the whole world who has a phone! What exactly do you want the phone to do? Jump around and do tricks? Somehow compress spacetime and leap to your ear? I really dont understand what you are complaining about. Indeed, it seems that all you want to do is complain for the sake of complaining. :shock: :wink:

In answer to your question about my own gripes, I only have one - It doesnt run linux. It really really needs to run linux. :D

Also, I wouldnt call what you quoted a personal attack, more an attack on your seemingly regurgitated complaints. Besides, just leave out what was inside the parenthesis - it was just the voices in my head shouting a bit. :wink:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Jorgee:
Too much complaining..... I asked a few posts past to please be more specific to what is the problem with the phone part of the Universal? I have the universal and find no fault in the phone part...

I do find some faults in the other parts but as a phone, it works as it should.

COuld you guys enlighten me as maybe i'm just taking this phone for granted.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Anton.Valleyman:
Wow, that was long!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] jah:
@Anton, great post. Do you use PowerSave? If yes, have you found pausing a song (while using WM player) stored on the SD card and then switching off the device results in any problems when you re-start? Also I assume you don't really use UMTS with PIE/Opera and email - as this is an area where members have had problems with memory leaks and loss of email information and email accounts. As I said many times before, the Universal is a complex device and different users use a different combination of facilities and therefore have different results/probelms/experiences. Also, if you have not used an XDA before, like me, your expectations are different with regards to what should be a standard capability of a Smartphone (e.g. phone side as good as standard cellphone - my Treo 650 which is like the Universal in that it is actually a PDA but the Treo is also a good phone as well).