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[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] shadykw:
im sorry guyz, i aint no dectaort here and ieve never said im right i just speculated some stuff, and to be honest as i said, i have no proof, its just speculation, and im not complaining about the price the market is open, u dont like someones service, take another. and i have no offense against anybody as well i havent attacked him, it was just someone that began attacking all the forum not me only. and again, im not so sure and im not running an invistigation here buddy, and im usually dotn speak so much here in the forum, but i just dotn wanna get kicked whenever im gonna say soemthing someone is gonan call me a bagger. and yes not everybody is doign something cuz so simply not everybody is a developer, does the fact that im in another field rather than IT or software development must make me shut up and not even talk.

well guyz im sorry anyway if i attacked any body or offended anyone without intentions

again im sorry for that

best regards

shady
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] nedge2k:
well said that man :)

The rest of you n00b-muppets need to shut the hell up. I've known Florin for quite some time now and back in the early days he was of great help to the Windows Mobile community and still is today. To be quite honest, he's right, the majority of you are all beggers. You all want something for nothing. Why should someone break their back to make YOU happy? What have YOU done for the community? Why should anyone spend their precious time helping YOU when all YOU do is leech information?

You want the "truth" behind imei-check? They spend alot of time working on devices to get them unlocked. Sometimes they kill the devices. Said devices cost money. Then when all the hard work is over and they start to earn a reward from their work, some jumped up little prick decides to reverse engineer the software and sell it on ebay. Thats why you have to send Universal's in to them.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Daimaou:
I would like to react to this

that shows that there are some leaks around between HTC and its business partners and, our freiends at IMEI check, has foudn some way to access these leaks and make some money.

And please do not take this like "racism" or anything else.

HTC is a Taiwanese Company POINT ! In Taiwan China Korea (Much difficult in Japan) Money is the most important thing ! I was living Before in HK, and has often be oblige to deal with the mainland but the things is that Money can buy anything over there or allow you a lot of things. I had last year a "Weird" problem with a Taiwanese PC, Pocket PC, smartphone manufacturer. Well I was dealing for a potential of 300 Units (PC) and things were going well at the begning until... they bypass me and contacted my client to make business with them.

This is how things work there and will always work.

If you take for example Korea... nobody follow any contract, in Fact in business matter it works like this, you firs sign the contract, and then you discuss about the term of the contract. If for example you want to "punish" a Korean company you just has to force them to follow a contract (this is the worst punition for them)

Once again, there are no racism in my story I am living in Asia since a long time now, my wife is Korean/Japanese and I had the chance to live, before I met my wife, with a Chinese lady (Be quiet on this one ok ;))
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] nedge2k:
Absolute bollocks :roll:

Did you even read the rest of the posts here or did you just read the first one and reply straight away?

How exactly does this show that there are leaks? Where's your proof? One dumbass hatches a theory and you take it as gospel :roll:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Daimaou:
Just share experience, that all
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] shadykw:
hey guyz, again ive said there is no proof these are just speculations, and again im not a damn developer, as far as i remeber ihavent insulted anyone, would you plz choose a better language describing the people on this forum,, if you think that we are all beggars, fine dont be around us, but plz just stop this insulting. and why are my words so painfull, i just said what i though nothing more. specially that in various threads in this forum, some guyz managed to get the codes from HTC so im not totally inventing a story, i think prooving me wrong would be much easier that saying all of this, jesus why is insulting so easy
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] htvi:
florin_m

A year ago i unlocked more than 20 phones (s100 and 9090) with imei-check's help so don't say we all beggars here.

Would there be an online service soon to unlock the MDA-PRO? Because sending your MDA to England isn't accepltable for everyone and i really need to use the service quite often.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] buzz_lightyear:
@florin_m

hi florin,

i seriously doubt, that you've programmed an unlocker for Universal, just few days after it was released to the market.

Either you have/had:

1. engineering prototypes with certain bootloader functions opened

2. access to special service SD cards

3. bootloader passwords

4. access to IMEI/lock database

i'd say 2. or 4. is right

BTW, why do you call your company IMEI-CHECK?

Wouldn't it be more apropriate to call it unlock-programming ?

IMEI-CHECK is invoking a vision of checking IMEI against a list or such...

buzz
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] jonboy8841:
Imei Overcharging

Nedge2k you are an idiot mate.

I will agree it is not the fault of florin but the money grabbing mobile networks.

I'm not a bagger I was merely trying to point out that imei check charge too much for the MDA PRO UNLOCKING !!!

50 quid is disgraceful and whats more you know it. I dont care if the guys spend 24 hours a day messing with the device they are only doing this to line their pockets. The sooner the networks stop simlocking handsets the better and we can all enjoy the real value of the devices which we purchase(contract or no contract).

This issue is actually being looked at by Ofcom in the UK so it is not only us 'baggers' who think its wrong. After all, when we shift gas and electricity suppliers we dont get 'penalised' for doing so do we?. I cant remember the last time our meters were 'sim locked'.

I have had most of the pda phones referred to on this forum and I dont care how long you have known this guy he is still charging way too much.

I would be very interested if he is actually registered for revenue and vat because his site is sparse to say the least.

If he charged 20 uk pounds for this unlocking he wouldn't have a problem on this forum and everyone knows it.

I suggest you look elsewhere if you want to whinge about the forum and the people who use it.

The only people who are looking for a free ride are the people who OVERCHARGE for a service which takes seconds to supply. By my reckoning thats £0000's per hour so who is the bagger now.

Enough said !!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] buzz_lightyear:
@ Florin Mandache - one more time :o)

Hi Florin,

could you please tell me, how can one profesional (as you certainly are, if you could make all those unlockers @ your site, and especially the one for Universal in NO TIME after it was released) have such a trivial problem with Himalaya radio, as you wrote here?

Help!No radio after unlock!

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 20:09

...and this was just one year ago from now.

hmm.... so you've learned damn lot for the last year.. don't you??

buzz
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] shadykw:
i was about to stop replying to this thread, but well since my personal super hero BUZZ have said his word wich he expressed his own opinion in, then ill say im not the only one doubting the IMEI check , and then came other guyz from all around or as brother Florin named us the baggers, and they have similar ideas. and BUZZ you got it all together man i still agree that points 2 and 4 are high likely to be reasonbale, and what brother florin did and these other guyz that kept naming us baggers also did was like they are ordering us to shut up by these weird insults. well anyway i think this is an open forum everybody can express his own opinion about whatever he thinks, as far as he isnt insulting anybody and paying everybody some respect

thanks alot lads

shady
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] jonboy8841:
Imei Check

Well said shady !!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] fluffcat1:
The Universal has been out a long time ( sep '05), AFAIK the IMEI-check solution is fairly recent ( December '05?) which is 4 months after general release. And your quote was from *two* years ago - before you'd even registered on this site Buzz!.....wouldn't you agree, you can learn a lot in 2 years?

...so just because you can't manage it, why hate those that can? Chill! At least there is an option even if it is cheaper to pay the networks in some cases!

Richard
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] markgamber:
I paid them to unlock my orange E200 and was happy to do so. the bottom line is if they know how to do something you don't, you can either learn how to do it yourself, you can pay them to do it or you can forget about it. And if you think they charge too much, then don't pay them. If too many people think they charge too much then business will drop off and so will their prices. But what do you think whining about it here is going to accomplish? Think a handful of people who obviously have no intention of paying for the service are going to make the slightest bit of difference? It didn't for me when I stopped writing "shareware" several years ago and I doubt it's going to here, either. So you can either learn how to do it yourself, pay them to do it or not get it done.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] buzz_lightyear:
@fluffcat

true, it is two years. my mistake.

so, how do you explain, that they ask for the imei?

lock code is not calculated from the imei.

it is a random number.

the only connection of imei and unlock code is, that they are saved together in an excel sheet or database for a case, that someone wants to pay the operator to unlock it.

no previous unlocker needed your imei.

on himalaya you can pretty easy read and write back the radio flash chips, where the lock code is stored.

this is not possible on universal, coz rrbmc command is not available either without rpass or special CID SD card.

i'm chilling now.. ;o))) I just don't get, why one is calling them baggers...

buzz

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=18665
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] fluffcat1:
I think he ment 'Beggars' not 'baggers' - and it's sort of true, most people come here looking for help, fewer actually contribute anything meaningfull that they have learnt themselves and not just read in another post. But anyway....

As for IMEI's - when people send me phones for repair I ask them to both make a note of the IMEI and to email it to me first, so I make sure the right people get the right phone back. I can then also check the GSM IMEI database in Dublin to see if the cause of a 'no signal' fault is due to a barred IMEI before they send the phone in case I cannot 'fix' it.

IMEI-check's other unlockers DO require your IMEI - you provide that, then their unlock app is coded to work only on that specific IMEI, so it is nothing new for their service. I think they are just trying to protect their market from ebayer's who resell the tools from here for 99p :evil:

All their other unlock services are available for free elsewhere if you look around.

Richard
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] buzz_lightyear:
'beggars' is correct.. ;o))) my poor english... ;o)))

I meant unlOckers from itsme, that don't need the imei. not those from imei-check.

buzz
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] nedge2k:
Re: Imei Overcharging

Im sorry, who the hell are you? Some nobody who doesn't know f all bout any of this. Leave the grown up chat to the bigs boys.

As for why imei-check need ur imei...why the hell do you think?? What better way of selling 1 unlock code for 1 device is there? If the key wasnt locked to the devices imei any muppet could use it and sell it as their own :roll:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] buzz_lightyear:
Re: Imei Overcharging

huh! let me try to understand you... :o)

YOu try to say, in the above, that they need my IMEI to build the unlocker for my device only? like the unlocker is gonna then check, if the device to be unlocked, really is the one, with the particular IMEI?

Is that right?

buzz
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] nedge2k:
yes, it is a security measure.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] buzz_lightyear:
ok, that i can understand.

...and it looks, like you know those guys...

why would they need physical device?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] nedge2k:
that is to stop people reverse engineering the software and selling it as their own.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] buzz_lightyear:
hmm... well, i'm not quite sure about that one, but OK...

thanx for your explanation

buzz
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] jonboy8841:
NEDGE2K

Nedge2K

You can say what you like mate but I've been in this business far longer than you will even know. I used the term idiot because you arre trying to defend someone you obviously know or indeed are associated with.

The only reason I'm replying is due to you and your mates from Imei-check attempting to piggy back on this network unlocking scam. Most people will pay a fair price to unlock their handsets

but £50 is way over the top for the Universal.

For your interest chap I served my time at Compaq working on the development of the original Ipaq. I guess you are not old enough to even remember the device.

Take your shot now because in the UK at least networks will be forced shortly to supply all handsets sim-free both contract tied and pay as you go. The term contract is linked to airtime and rental it is absolutely nothing to do with hardware.

If you have the brains to check the 'white paper' released by the government members select commitee in June 05 you will see that Ofcom have been instructed by the current UK government to examine whether mobile networks have any legality in respect of sim locking their handsets regardless of network subsidy. The report is expected end of May 06.

The document also mentioned that the vast majority of high street and web site based 'unlocking' creeps are neither paying vat or revenue on the fees charged. This is more than likely the motivation behind the government inquiry in the first place.

And yes I do work on the periphery of the mobile data business and far more time would be better served by the likes of Buzz and company continuing his good work with the devices instead of attempting to unlock handsets.

Just what have you and your mates contributed ? We all know why you do it because you are being paid a princely sum for you 'unlocking expertise'

I always donate to various forums as I appreciate the effort and resolve necessary to bring these devices into 'workable' use.

All the networks now release devices far too quickly without exhaustive alpha or beta testing purely because of the huge r & d costs. o2 learnt this lesson very quickly with the delayed launch of the original XDA or Wallaby as you guys know it.

You know nothing chap
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] BartaMans:
Overcharge for network unlock

I agree with jonboy8841

Fifty pounds is a lot of money.

I think IMEI-Check charge this cos no one else is offering the service.

Anyone can charge what they like but is this really playing ball ???
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] ZeBoxx:
although I agree that 50 pounds ($87.50) is very, very, very steep for a service offered for 'lesser' phones for $7.50 in a little shop around the corner, and I certainly don't agree with them charging this much...

-If- it is cheaper than getting it unlocked by the carrier, then what's the problem? Either make use of the service and save some money, or go with the carrier and pay more.

If neither option is particularly appealing, then either leave it locked, or find out how to unlock it, yourself. If it's proven to be 'impossible' without insider knowledge or a specific tool, then I guess pursue the same insider knowledge / the specific tool.

Again, I'm not defending that they're charging as much as they are. However, they're free to charge whatever people are willing to pay for it - and apparently there's people willing to pay 50 quid for it.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] shadykw:
the funny thing is , long time ago i wanted yo use the IMEI service to unlock my UNiversal, and i posted several toppics here askign about thier services, and if anybody has ever tried thier services amd can u know like give me a push forward, but no answer, so its just interresting how this new issue broke the hell loose, and incase there are so many IMEI associates here why hasnt any of em answered before,,, loll as the he braniac guyz say, ( this is one for you)???

and buzz check the Unlockign thread i have some questions hanging there for ya,

shady
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] monakh:
Re: NEDGE2K

Ding Ding.

I think we have a winner. Thread closed :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] buzz_lightyear:
OK, i'm leaving this...

It was too much conversation for my muppet head.. :o))

i'm leaving for Big Rock Candy Mountains to keep begging...

...oh sir, please, i'm begging you...!!!

buzz
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] igs:
i am sorry, but, jonboy8841, you are an idiot.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] jonboy8841:
Final Reply

I am sorry, but, jonboy8841, you are an idiot.

The vast majority of Universal owners think its a rip off so how can I be the idiot.

I'm not even going to respond to you chap because your previous post is not relative to the discussion.

I never once complained about IMEI-Check charging for unlocking, just their extortionate 50 quid for the Universal. If they cant take the flak dont charge the money.

Long live this forum and the people who genuinely assist us mere mortals.

There are a least 6 developers on this site who contribute voluntarily and enjoy assisting people with lesser technical knowledge.

I look forward to a new dawn in the UK later this year when we will all have sim free unlocked handsets.

The networks have failed to prevent mass 'churning' in the mobile telecoms industry by restricting the porting of telephone numbers(remember what it used to be like when we were 'locked in' with our number to a single network)

This year will finally see freedom for the mobile user once and for all !!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] RyansLine:
jonboy8841 you're right

jonboy8841 you are bang on my friend.

You sound to me as if you are working for the government yourself maybe in trading standards I guess

What I cant understand is why people pay the fifty pounds when the mobile phone companies in the uk charge twenty pounds or thereabouts.

You dont have to send you phone to some obscure place with the worry of never seeing it again.

Whats the point ?

This forum has provided the software to unlock all Xdas up to now for free so we must all live in hope :roll:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Tron_Of_Borg:
Re: Final Reply

:?: Am I the only one who caught this? Did JonBoy8841 just apologize to himself for calling himself an idiot? :?:

Look up two messages. :!:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] RyansLine:
Overcharging

Come on mate.

Try to focus on the specifics, the title of the post was copies from IGS

If you dont think your being ripped off great but I know that the vast majority of us 'idiots or baggers or should I say beggars' think someone is taking the michael.

My argument is with the networks. After all take the simlock off each handset and sites like IMEI check will just melt away in the distance ........

Serious issues need serious replies.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] JohnH:
Right, I'm faily new to the forums but I'll chuck in my 50 cents. I've got a SPV M5000 (HTC Universal as you know) from Orange in the UK, and emigrated to Australia. Getting it unlocked by Orange, despite being in the highest call spend band (5/5) cost £20 and took from 9th Feb to 6th March, despite assurance that it would be 10 days maximum. For £50, the cost of an hour's work to one of my clients, I could've sent the phone off and had it back before I left the country, and all for the hassle of using a spare carcass for a couple of days. If I'd had the foresight to do that it would've saved £80 in chasing up Orange, £120 in additional call costs, and 8 hours of my time.

that makes the score

IMEI-CHECK 1 - ORANGE 0

With these devices selling for $1899 australian, how is a £50 unlocking fee a problem?

For note, I'm an orange developer using the universal for 3G, GPRS, Outlook, Terminal Services & 11g wifi. Florin is right in one thing, we shouldn't expect everything for free.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] nedge2k:
Oki doki, this is the last thing i'm going to say on this topic:

For a start i do not agree with charging £50 to unlock a Universal. I'd hate to see WM devices going the way of N*kias and similar devices. However, as he is the only one with the expertise to unlock said device then he can charge what he wants.

The reason i was commenting at all in this thread was to silence the small minded minority of people who belive that, just because they wouldn't have the first idea about how to achieve a feat such as unlocking the Universal, there has to be some kind of conspiricy surrounding it. Florin worked hard to crack the device, he didnt simply match an imei in a lookup table and that is what i was defending.

A large amount of people who frequent forums such as this are only in it for what they can get. They leech and alot of the time do not even show their gratitude for any information they have found useful.

Whether you care or not, Florin knows more about these devices than anyone on this forum and because of threads like this he will not help people anymore.

Finally, jonboy8841, i couldn't really give two ****s who you are or what you've done but i will say this, you don't know who i am, how old i am, how long i've been in this game or how much more access to information i have than you. I've known about the government whitepaper for quite some time. Whether you choose to belive any of this or not is entirely up to you. I know the truth and that's all that matters.

Incidently, having read some of your previous posts, you are exactly the type of person forums like this don't need. Always taking, never giving, never saying thanks, writing all in caps and asking people to mail you information instead of sharing it with the forum. Yeh, you're a real asset. Oh and don't act like dataservices@orange.net is a special Orange email addy, anyone could've had that a few years back.

dataservices@orange.net ...hmm...sounds like some kind of unlocking service to me ;)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] shadykw:
yo guyz, it turned into a fight, mr british nudge please stop cursing its easier to eb nice as no one has said anyhting to hurt you anyway. i got a cool answer to my questions thanks alot.

shady
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] igs:
Sorry to interrupt, just wanted to ask one thing:

Can anyone give me one reason why the price for unlocking the device should not be J50.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] JohnH:
That was really the point of my post - when they retail at £700-odd unsubsidised, maybe people should 'expect' to pay a 7% premium to unlock it if they pick it up for 15% of the retail price?

22% of retail cost for an unlocked phone. not bad ey?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] yeap:
lets get back to the track, we almost get something to unlock universal, just it's not 100% solution, it sometimes killed the phone. :( . Will get u guys inform.

p/s: Developers pls email me if interested to work together. Cheers