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[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
Dat oversaturation :eek:
[Xperia Z1 General] jlevy73:
Wow, the Z1 picture makes me hungry. Z1 by a mile obviously, the N5 looks washed out and is not nearly as sharp with detail. Then again, the camera on the n5 isn't bad considering it's price point. But it's no match for the Z1 or most other android phones for that matter.
[Xperia Z1 General] omnius1:
I'm tempted to call that picture a tie. The detail on the food and plate is much better on the Z1, however I can barely see the wood grain on the table, whereas it's pretty clear on the N5
[Xperia Z1 General] Gitaroo:
I think the oversaturated color destroy quite a bit of detail from the nexus, and Z1 picture is kind of darker, which is why the wood grain is more visible from the nexus.
[Xperia Z1 General] soulreaver99:
More pictures uploaded to my Flickr account!

I went into Settings and cleared the App data from the camera app to see if that would make a difference. These photos came out pretty well (Auto) but I am going to take more pictures later tonight!

Again, please remember to click the links to view the photos in full resolution!

2013-12-16 15.32.33

2013-12-16 15.32.14

2013-12-16 15.37.52

2013-12-16 15.38.25
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
This is an interesting compare. The ISOs are similar(Z1 320 & N5 360). The Z1 takes the shot with a quicker shutter speed, twice as fast. One expects this given the bigger aperture and sensor size. However there is less noise in Nexus 5 shot when seen at 1:1 (see the roll). But the orange slices have little more detail with the Z1.

The Nexus lens needs a good clean, its seems smudged :p

Which one has the more accurate colour ? OP should clarify.

The problem i have with this comparison is its an auto shoot. It does not show us the best either camera can do. For that the OP would have to take the same shot many times with different settings and then put up the best he got. Thing is he's never going to get to that point because he insists that auto should do it all. Which means he will never get to know what works best with either camera. If he wants convenience over quality then he should take whatever he gets. if he's not happy then he should try some more.

In some cases auto will do it others times it won't. Now times that by 2 since we have two different cameras and what you have is an inconclusive result. This is the fundamental problem i have with most reviews. They do the same thing and then pass judgement on which is the better 'camera'.

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Agree, for this sample.
[Xperia Z1 General] soulreaver99:
I will mess with the manual settings and do a shot to shot comparison on a weekend. Unfortunately the update barely came out today (which is a Monday for me) so I don't have the time to sit through and go through every single shot comparing the Nexus 5 with the Xperia Z1. Keep in mind that some of us were anticipating the SA mode to be improved too. Most of us know that we can get any photo to look good with the right manual settings.

Thanks for the feedback!
[Xperia Z1 General] aksmzk:
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[Xperia Z1 General] eclyptos:
Someone have the impression like after update the pictures are worse than before? Or I am just paranoid? I see a lot more noise in the pictures.
[Xperia Z1 General] soulreaver99:
Careful now... you may get attacked by Z1 Camera Zealots :silly:
[Xperia Z1 General] :
When opening the camera from the lockscreen does it still go automatically to SA?
[Xperia Z1 General] eclyptos:
Yeah, LoL...but there is no better place to ask this question if not here. I did same pictures with same light in my room and with 4.2.2 was better, or is just me?
[Xperia Z1 General] soulreaver99:
Yes it does
[Xperia Z1 General] codral:
Damn! this is what I was hoping was done away with! Does anyone know of an app or somesuch which will let you set default camera mode on open? (particularly with the hard camera button).
[Xperia Z1 General] soulreaver99:
Went out to my favorite local eats which is a Korean tofu restaurant and took some pictures with my Z1. I also remembered I took similar photos with my Note 3 not too long ago. Although the Note 3 was taken during lunch time and the Z1 during dinner, the lighting situations are not too different since it's pretty well light indoors.

Galbi Taken with Xperia Z1

Galbi taken with Note 3

Korean Side Dishes with Xperia Z1

Korean Side Dishes with Note 3
[Xperia Z1 General] aksmzk:
Damn that looks so good!!

#hungrynow
[Xperia Z1 General] 1337rice:
This really depends on how it really looks like IRL

From this comparison, the Z1's white balance is still off, and looks underexposed when compared to the lower ISO and slower shutter speed of the N5.

While the N5 has a much better exposure, I can't agree to those who say the picture is oversaturated when the Z1 is underexposed and has the incorrect white balance.

Not to mention, the noise is more apparent on the Z1 than on the N5. Just looking at the oranges and the plate show signs of noise for the Z1.

If you're going to take pictures of food, the N5 would be a much more appealing picture.

But on the side note, improved nonetheless
[Xperia Z1 General] soulreaver99:
I'm not going to beat around the bush, the new update improved just about everything, except for the camera. Yes I know that it has a great manual mode and I will take photos and do a comparison when I have time, but some of us were really hoping that the Auto mode would be better.
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Its not hard, if Z1 can take a shot at twice the shutter speed of N5, Z1 auto should have halved the ISO and taken the shot at 1/30 & ISO 150. 1/30 is fast enough to avoid camera shake.

So by manual i mean try to set ISO as low as you can go and boost EV by a 1/3 or more. Try ISO 100 or 200. Indoors, 200-400 is the sweetspot.

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So why did it come out well.

This one is ISO 320 & 1/64, auto could have done better like with the breakfast shot.

This one is ISO 100, very clear. Why it chose 100 this time instead of 300 like in the previous one is unclear.Shutter speed remains the same so there was adequate light sensed by auto.

ISO 80 but colours are washed out as its over-exposed, -EV required. Alternatively change the angle of the shot to emphasise shadows and saturate the colours.

ISO 50, this one is good.

So you can see that auto got it right only half the time. That too in natural light. With artificial light its even more challenging.

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ISO 640, 1/64, very high auto iso chosen

ISO 200, 1/32, still overexposed, ISO 100 would have done this one right.

ISO 400, 1/62, could have been done with 200

Note 3 took this in HDR. How do i know ? ISO & shutter times are missing in the exif.

So in those last three Z1 shots, auto doubled ISO when it wasn't required. i don't know why it does this, it senses if there is shake and boosts ISO to avoid camera shake but the shutter speeds are high enough already. Try to use the on screen shutter button instead of the dedicated camera button.
[Xperia Z1 General] Mazellat:
When I flash UK-Vodafone firmware SuperiorAuto can capture 20MP but in Europe firmware can 8.3MP in SuperiorAuto mod,why is there difference?
[Xperia Z1 General] sg1969:
edit: nevermind
[Xperia Z1 General] finoqq84:
can others confirm on this? 20mp in Superior Auto??!!
[Xperia Z1 General] eclyptos:
Same here, I will be glad if someone can confirm that because in Superior Auto I got 8.3mpx only, why?

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+1
[Xperia Z1 General] a-Rcky:
Rumor

"And this is how rumors are spread"... Do you any probe to say that?
[Xperia Z1 General] topak01:
what setting did u used when taking this pict ? its really cool i think, lot and better improvised for the camera quality..
[Xperia Z1 General] pikeylfc:
it says superior auto next to the link
[Xperia Z1 General] eclyptos:
I was thinking the same but is not alone and I think there is some true. or not?

Link: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2574562
[Xperia Z1 General] codral:
hey guys, just FYI

I tested the 4.3 updated camera against a coworkers ihackers rom and the ihackers phone images were significantly brighter and more vibrant than mine, mine looked washed out... mostly indoor photos, checked a bunch of settings inc superior auto and scenes...

Hopefully ihackers come out with a 4.3 rom soon, it's significantly better at photos
[Xperia Z1 General] Fatelord:
Still the Z1's weak point is when the lights drop a little bit, too much noise and overexposure, otherwise it's stellar. Even with flash it is meh to be honest, My IPhone takes way better pictures in low light conditiins.
[Xperia Z1 General] hornedfiend:
Weird thing happened to me yesterday in the club. Got 4.3 update and could not get one single picture without major ghosting effect. I've never seen anything like it on any phone (camera didn't have any problems during daylight).

Can anyone confirm this behavior for clubbing conditions(low light + lasers and other stuff like that)? :)

I was also using the flash for the most part.
[Xperia Z1 General] eclyptos:
In low light the flash compromise the pictures all the time. Everybody complaining about that. The flash is to close to the lens.

EDIT: not everybody, but many. :)
[Xperia Z1 General] hornedfiend:
Now, that's an idiotic thing to do. This sucks major ass for me and I guess everyone, since I care about the flash for some pictures.

How can Sony not test this?! It's really lame and I'm thinking of really selling this device now.
[Xperia Z1 General] benziii:
there you go again with posting stuff you think are true as facts.

Everybody has this?

How come some can take excellent pictures then?

I've used flash in several low light conditions.. I've never had the flash interfere before.
[Xperia Z1 General] eclyptos:
Calm down. :) It's just a phone anyway. The flash can be improved with different settings. For example in some case the pictures are better is you switch the flash to torch. Sometime Fill Flash is better than Auto. Try to find best configurations. BTW I start thinking to put on that flash a kind of fume' screen protector to let down a bit the flash to avoid this brightness in the pictures.

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Sorry, you right, not everybody, but the problem was confirmed by many. I still get brightness in pictures with auto mode, so how it's my fault?
[Xperia Z1 General] benziii:
Never said it was your fault.

It's how you portray things here in the forum.

If you just say you have issues which you think is caused by the flash, or say you've seen people mentioning this then others who are uninformed won't take it the wrong way.

Like the guy who just answered you.
[Xperia Z1 General] eclyptos:
Of curse, the problem is I do pictures and on the right side of many pictures is this brightness ghost, sometime even in all the pictures. Now this guy have same problem, what coincidence, same issues as mine. AND same issue was mention by many people on different threads. So is just me? Huh..:confused:

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BTW, to me is the flash too close to the lens. My personal opinion, take it or reject.
[Xperia Z1 General] eclyptos:
Cesar Salad + Pasta Bolognese + Bruschetta! ..hahah..

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Wait few days, they not always show up immediately the updates.
[Xperia Z1 General] skittishwind:
Am clueless while taking photos...all i do is take photos in auto mode....is there anyway to set flash as torch (always on) while taking photos....instead of flashing on click

Thank You
[Xperia Z1 General] Mafiatounes:
Too bad the Z1 picture quality is bad, i bought the device a couple of months ago mainly for the camera, but it dissapointed me so sold it and got the Lumia 1020 instead man what a difference in pictures and videos! Sony just has poor alghoritms for its sensors, other manufacturers with Sony sensors get better quality out of them.
[Xperia Z1 General] hieupham7485:
It is 8mpx in superior auto :(
[Xperia Z1 General] soulreaver99:
I agree . And unfortunately the new update didn't do anything for the camera as we had hoped. It's an awesome phone and I love everything about it, except for the camera.
[Xperia Z1 General] kantk20111:
The Z1's picture quality is most definitely not bad. It is just not as good as it could be, which is extremely frustrating. I can, 80% of the time, get beautiful pictures outside. In low light, that drops to 50%. The software is just so inconsistent it's really annoying. When everything clicks in place, the Z1 is the best camera you can get on an an android. Unfortunately that doesn't happen as often as it should.
[Xperia Z1 General] ascariss:
Definitely agree, low light is a 50/50, but in bright light outside or inside, the quality is not that bad and quite good sometimes. As mentioned either here or on another forum, if you lower the EV a bit, to -1/3 or -2/3 and the results are much better, especially when it comes to noise.
[Xperia Z1 General] Nidhal AKA the king:
Z1 more natural and more real!

PERIOD
[Xperia Z1 General] ermond012:
Lowlight sample, JB 4.3. Is it bad?
[Xperia Z1 General] saobang3886:
Camera is good for me, and better with new update. Auto mode need more work to better, also have problem with flash when take picture in dark or very low light, brightness ghost show up on the right of picture :(
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Which weekend ?

One's already gone by, we're on the second one now :)
[Xperia Z1 General] Vaith:
I think he forgot about this thread...
[Xperia Z1 General] soulreaver99:
Lol I did forget about this thread. I actually had a good offer on the phone and sold it. Much happier with the Nexus 5 as it suits my needs better.
[Xperia Z1 General] vVSolidusVv:
Hey guys.... You have to use the app ProCapture... It's fantastic... So we can shot in 16:9 at 20 MP... And we can also change the scenes... It's fantastic

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[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Do you see any difference between 20MP & 8MP shots in terms of noise ?

If you want to make posters then 20MP js useful but otherwise 8MP is more than enough to view on your full HD screen which is only 2MP.
[Xperia Z1 General] ArashMiniStar:
It is actually 15MP at 16:9 20MP.you can check it by taking a picture with this spec and look at details...
[Xperia Z1 General] vVSolidusVv:
The quality is much better... Look at the mb.... With procapture the photo weight over 10mb... 12mb... The quality is very fine... Try it

inviato da Note 3

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Hmhmhm... I don't think so... This is the size taken with pro capture 20 megapixel 16:9

5248x2952

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[Xperia Z1 General] ArashMiniStar:
Noooo!! Test it with 16:9 20MP mode.:(
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Would you mind uploading twp photos of the same subject from same angle and lighting condition, in full resolution, taken with both stock camera & procapture ?

I'm curious as to how and whether its true at all that procapture gets around the processing that sony does on the photo.
[Xperia Z1 General] vVSolidusVv:
I done it.... If you want i can upload the image

Look at this picture

You can see... 20megapixel... 16:9...

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[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
This is not the full resolutoin image. Can you use flickr or some other host that preserves exif.

Tapatalk is useless to evaluate photos or their associated quality.

The stock camera does a 4:3 20MP, procapture is doing a crop of that image to 16:9.

What you said image size 10MB vs the usual 2-3MB is what i want to see.
[Xperia Z1 General] vVSolidusVv:
I try with Dropbox... Look at this

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbd0ww8f0a57ysm/IMG_20131125_134758.jpg
[Xperia Z1 General] jmgg2k:
Im using Pro Capture since one week ago... and i completely agree with you. Pro Capture takes MUCH better pictures (especially in low light with flash) than stock Sony Cam.
[Xperia Z1 General] TobbeSwe:
Have you guys checked the high iso pictures taken with the manual 8mp mode? Pictures taken with iso 1600 and 3200 looks like oil paintings. The same iso setting pictures taken with the 257 4.2.2 update looked better and more detailed and clarifyed. Don´t know what happened to the camera improvements Sony did on 4.2.2 now after we all updated to 4.3. And please use the stock camera when you try it
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
ok, i can see the bigger file now.

Question is whether its better or not. Do you have a regular 8MP or 20MP photo to compare it with ?

What i'm getting at is what is the difference here other than having a file that is 5 times bigger in size.

Ok, you got the 16:9 in 15MP instead of 8MP. But you paid a price of 5x file size.
[Xperia Z1 General] vVSolidusVv:
The file size is not important for me... We have enough space... 16gb + expandability... I bought the Z1 with 20megapixel... Why i have to use just 8 megapixel?

It's not correct... It's a limit... I hate limits...

With procapture the quality is better... I can set 16:9... And after the shot at 20 megapixel ... When I go looking the photos on my pc a can make a great zoom in without quality aggravation

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[Xperia Z1 General] laochek:
Hi The first pic is from z1 on SA. Second from iphone 5s auto. I intentionally took them in low light to see the diff:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jpoot894j9gc3fm/DSC_0059.JPG

https://www.dropbox.com/s/56g9gg68eoceyb1/IMG_0884.JPG
[Xperia Z1 General] Gitaroo:
is the light condition yellowish? Cus iphone photo looks like it got piss filter on.
[Xperia Z1 General] laochek:
It's very dark. About to rain. The z1 abit too bluish. The 5s abit too warm. Both are 8mp shots. I find 5s shutter speeds and focusing much faster to capture human movements.
[Xperia Z1 General] c64tone:
Just did a quick test with ProCapture in a pretty dark room and quality of the Sony camera app is far better on both Manual (no SCN) and SA. Not surprising as I don't think 3rd party apps have access to the Bionz processor.
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
You don't, you can take a shot at 20MP, it will be 4:3 as that's what the sensor is. 4:3 will show more than 16:9. What you cannot do is take SA or scene mode in 20MP, that only works in 8MP with stock camera.

The thing with saving 10MB+ photo is time it takes to save, if you have a extreme sd card maybe this is not important.

Why is the file so big to begin with ? what is happening or rather what is not happening that is should be 5x bigger.

Is scene mode or SA 20MP worth having a file that is 5x in size ? If it was a RAW file that would be one thing but this just a jpeg.

What do you want to do with the photo. if you display on a full HD screen you only need 2MP, the rest the tv will ignore. If you get 4k screen, then you need 4MP.

On a 2MP screen you can do 3x zoom on 8MP.

Higher res beyond 8MP is for printing posters.

The underlined bit is what i would like to test. In what way is it better ?

8MP does oversampling which means less noise in lower light photos or indoors photo. In bright daylight the difference will be less. The lumia 1020 oversamples from 41MP to 5MP.

To do this test it requires you take the same photo with 20MP and 8MP (16:9) in stock and the 15MP in 16:9 with procapture. 3 photos required.

Ensure ISO is the same. for photo taken with stock & procapture otherwise test will be inconclusive. Then we can see whether the quality is better or not. I suspect its no better than 20MP. As this just a 20MP crop with bigger file size. There is no way to get RAW as android does not allow it yet.

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Z1 : ISO 1000, 1/64

5s : ISO 320, 1/20

In manual you could have taken the shot at ISO 200 or 400 with little +EV compensation and got a cleaner shot.

At ISO 200, you would need a steady hand as shutter speed would be 1/8s in those conditions.

Ensure stabiliser is off on the Z1 as this will boost the ISO higher otherwise. Steady hand helps too. Too much shake and SA will also boost ISO.

if you use procamera app on the 5s insted of stock then you will be able to do exposure comp dynamically by swiping on the screen and get better photos than stock 5s camera.

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yep
[Xperia Z1 General] laochek:
I am bad at changing setings I find lowering ISO slows down the shutter speed and leads to motion blurness. 5s uses lower iso and yet due to its fast mechanisms it doesnt lead to motion blurness. I only Use my 5s to take pictures and thats it. Z1 for everything else
[Xperia Z1 General] vVSolidusVv:
But the Z1 shot better pictures than 5s... You have to shot with procapture and set the scenes... Try it... You can see that the ISO setup is better in automatic

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[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Depends on the shot. If the subject is moving or not, if the light is good or not. Still subjects are the easiest to get sharp.

In the photos you posted above.

ISO: 1000 & 1/64 will be 1/16 at ISO 200 or 1/32 at ISO 400. 1/32 won't have much shake. Try it.

5s in comparison did 1/20 at ISO 320

Blurry shots happen at lower than 1/16 though i've seen people pull off steady 1/8s handheld shots. They don't use the dedicated camera button and instead use the on screen shutter button. Going slower than 1/8s is much harder. Unless you can rest your hands or lean your body against something you will have to use a higher ISO.
[Xperia Z1 General] laochek:
Will try. How about kids? My kids run all over the place. They have a cheeky smile at times. I just find speed so crucial. I think the slow bit is the focusing mechanism n the lag to actually take the shot. I truely find 5s fast in that aspect. Thanks again for your input. Will practise that. :)
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Impromptu shots are the hardest to get unless you anticipate and are skilled. If you notice the photos in this thread are 99% still subjects. People find it hard to use the camera but you've got to master still subjects before tackling moving ones.

What could help this along is if there was a way to save presets, that you can call up quickly. camera button activates camera, choose preset, point & shoot. done. But this does not exist yet :(

Auto focus works by finding contrast. If you click on something that has contrast which is in the same plane or close to the subject it will also be clear. People have said the Z1 gets focus quick even in low light.

With moving subjects try object tracking focus mode. Since kids move the camera will refocus automatically.

Outdoors in day time is easiest as you will get a clear shot. Indoors you will need at least 1/32 or faster, unless light is good you will need flash and if skin is involved the 5s will do better with dual tone as i understand it recalibrates the flash depending on the scene. Z1 has only one flash level. You can match the flash to your lighting but intensity will either be too much or ok. So you will have a minimum distance to work out to get it right.

So take lots of indoors shots and see whether you can get away without flash or not in different rooms. The light in your home is more or less fixed unless you use dimmer. If you do then turn it up. More is better.

These shots would not be a problem if the sensor was as big as 1 inch. Basically little over twice the size of the Z1 sensor. But we will never see a sensor that big on a phone. Only high end compacts have them and you don't always have one handy when you want. QX100 has it but this has a little lag to start up.
[Xperia Z1 General] laochek:
Thank you for sharing. Will try again. Thanks.
[Xperia Z1 General] ashouhdy:
Or he can Do High Speed Burst Shot. it takes full 8mp shots ... Very Fast Indeed mostly with lowest shutter 1/64