yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Moto X Q&A] chevlar:
Thanks to everyone that commented on camera performance for quick candid shots of little kids. I think I'm leaning towards the moto x, because of it's gesture launch, and preference for faster exposure times. I also really preferred the in-hand ergonomics of my old nexus s to my current Gnex, and would like a smaller phone.

eman3316, I've got a 3.5 year old too. I haven't heard any other people comment on the moto x lagging during camera launch. I honestly expected to hear that the moto x was slightly faster to launch (especially with the gesture launch direct from sleep mode), focus and shoot. I think I'm leaning towards the moto x, but I'm nervous about leaving the nexus line having previously had a nexus s now a galaxy nexus. Also google's two quick updates has me thinking more software/firmware improvements may allow the nex5 camera to reach it's potential. So torn.
[Moto X Q&A] roguejam:
For what it is worth, It takes me about 4 seconds from display off to focus and image taken.

I got the Sprint Moto X on Cyber Monday Wednesday, after being torn between it and the Nexus 5. Bootloader aside, I really like it for all that it can do, coming from the Optimus G (which I bought on its potential, not on what it could do). Plus, the quick updates to system apps like the Camera (via Google Play) and the quick upgrade to KitKat are very nice (especially after LG's track record).
[Moto X Q&A] gtg465x:
The Moto X actually CAN take great pictures indoors and in low light, just not with the stock camera app. It's purely poor software tuning. The camera software cranks the ISO way higher than necessary in low light and on top of that, tries to overexpose everything in low light. If they would simply stop trying to make low light shots look wayyy brighter than they actually should and lower the ISO to a reasonable level, people would be amazed. I use the Camera FV-5 app to get better low light shots, but it's kind of a pain to have to adjust settings manually on a phone.
[Moto X Q&A] eman3316@optonline.net:
I wasn't saying the camera lags on launch, it just seems a little slow on the shutter but Camera Awesome seemed to help with that on the X. I do prefer the camera on the N5 though and I think it takes better pictures. There are some people complaining though about the 4.2.2 update on the N5. While it now takes quick photo's where before the update it was one of the slowest camera's I used people claim it is at the expense of better looking photo's. The camera before the update took really really good pictures but needed about 2-3 seconds to actually take the picture so it made it impossible to capture anything moving.

I still think the N5 pictures look better then the Moto X though even after the update.
[Moto X Q&A] kolyan:
Nexus 5 4.4.2 HDR
[Moto X Q&A] kolyan:
Moto X 4.4.2 HDR
[Moto X Q&A] :
Moto x wins by my eye. ;)

Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
[Moto X Q&A] Ryno77:
I think the low light nexus 5 pictures are too dark and the low light moto x pictures are too bright. A mix of the two would be about perfect in my opinion.
[Moto X Q&A] :
Or a hundred dollar camera ....small....cheap....and will blow every phone camera out there away. ;)

Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
[Moto X Q&A] kolyan:
I can tell you one thing, some photos look decent on MX and comparable to N5, but MX is still noisy and very inconsistent while almost every shot with N5 looks decent.

N5 HDRs sometimes look a bit dark, but that's not an issue with none HDR photos and there is also exposure compensation

There are pretty well lit places where I find impossible to take a usable photo with MX no matter how I move the ring, same situation with N5 takes 1 shot and its done

edit: some more photos. looks like my bad, HDR on nexus might be for outdoors, last 3 i switched HDR off and photos are nice and bright now
[Moto X Q&A] kolyan:
HDR was the cause of dark pictures, check out pictures above. also notice how messed up the 2nd picture taken with MX. i tried to retake this shot several times with MX and it came out the same
[Moto X Q&A] Kenmichi:
Taken last night at an indoor stage on my stock MX camera app. I feel considering the professional indoor stage lighting that this photograph was pretty accurate, though the washed out faces of Jon and Stu might be a little higher than how it really was.
[Moto X Q&A] judoka209:
Green Tint with Moto X?

I just bought a Moto X and when compared to my Nexus 5 I'd say the Nexus has the better camera. My Moto X has a strange green hue in a lot of the pictures. The flash is horrendous. I'm not sure if this is normal or my device came defective. If I take a picture of my daughters doll which has a purple dress, it looks purple on the Nexus but blue on the Moto X.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FREDDENIRO:
Good evening to all

I have just bought a GN3 in France from SFR and I wanted installed(settled) the last ROM.

However, it's impossible to be in download mode of ODIN

The simultaneous support of touches Home + POWER + LOW VOLUME brings me on a message ' FACTORY mode ' followed by several lines that I think of being in Korean.

It is thus impossible to me to change ROM .

Can anybody help me to solve this problem?

Thanks to you
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stanley08:
I think it's a clone phone, not an Original one... Not sure but Dats what i think...
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] radicalisto:
Yeah doesn't sound like it's a genuine Samsung model, grab CPU-Z and check your SoC etc and post what the specs show up.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FREDDENIRO:
Result of CPU-Z

Name

ARM Cortex-A7 1.21 GHZ​

Cpu Architecture

ARM Cortex-A7​

Core

4​

Revision

r0p2​

Clock speed

497 Mhz - 1.21 Ghz​

GPU Vendor

Imagination Technolmogies​

GPU Renderer

PowerVR SGX 544MP​

Model

SM-N900​

Manufacturer

SAMSUNG​

Display

JSS15J.N900UBUBMJ2​

Hardware

mt6589​

Android Version

4.3​

Kernel Architecture

armv71​

Kernel version

3.4.5​

Screen resolution

720x1280​

Total RAM

2440 MB​

Internal Storage 0.98 GB

Is it really a fake ?

What can i do with that ?

Tkanks
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xclub_101:
Yes, it is a fake, return it and get your money back!

Or in case you decide to keep it - here is the correct thread for your phone:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2460620
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Q&A, Help & ] marti4578:
Hello Guys

I have Noticed that they have release 4.3 for Germany, Germany (Vodafone) and Spain (Vodafone).

Would i be able to install this update and change the Language on Updating or will it not work?

Thanks
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Q&A, Help & ] ievtimov96:
Don't worry. It will work. You will be able to select a language on the first boot when you install the 4.3 firmware.
[Sprint LG Optimus G] neno2323:
Heads up guys themer now supports the lg og . And xda has a forum for it also witch I just found out. and cover...
[Sprint LG Optimus G] lnxnubie:
Cool, installing it now :good: :good: :D
[Sprint LG Optimus G] DQEight:
Yes...YES!!!!:thumbup:
[Sprint LG Optimus G] foxsdaddy67:
honestly i dont think its all that great
[Sprint LG Optimus G] Whiplashh:
I also tried it.. Not that impressive.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] smart2003:
When I connect my device to a Computer, my computer and Qtek 9100 synchronize via Active Sync and a new network connection in my computer appears. What settings should I use to create a network of the Qtek 9100 and my computer? How can I use the Internen connection installed at my computer to enter the Internet from the Qtek9100? Why doesn't the Qtek 9100 answer a ping command? Where should I enter an ip address at the Qtek 9100?
[Moto G General] cption:
Here are some details I uncovered in regards to the camera of Moto G:

Camera specification:

- 5mpxl

- f/2.4

- 4mm focal length.

Most definitely a small sensor, (< 1/3.2' ), likely 1/4'. Also very likely won't have BSI for better low light performance.

Meanwhile there's no good teardown (yet) to find out the make of the camera module, by going through the spec sheets of many other phones, the sensor is likely to be same one you find in Lumia 625.

Most of you will probably agree that Moto G doesn't take good photos. Meanwhile the optic is the best it should be well capable of better.

Issue at the moment is that there's TOO MUCH noise reduction, which can cause a very 'water-paint' feel to the pictures, and destroying any form of sharpness.

From my test with stock and many other camera apps (Lenovo, focal, a better cam, etc etc), while they help with the compression, focus, white-balance and metering etc. and can help the quality of the photos. They don't fix the sharpness/noise reduction issue with the camera. It seems like it's been hard-coded into the software for the camera.

Are there anyone out there who will be able to fix this?
[Moto G General] t-bon3:
The Motorola camera app was updated today, has this improved the noise reduction?

Nuthin' but a 'Moto G' thang
[Moto G General] AluKed:
Google seems to be working on a completely overhauled Hardware Abstraction Layer for the cameras that will allow apps to tap more directly into the camera pipelines. They'll be able, for instance, to get RAW captures and and do their own custom demoisacing/debayering and the whole post- pipeline. That would probably fix any heavy-handed processing done by any of the OEMs.
[Moto G General] cption:
RAW just gives an uncompressed image, there's no real guarantee that no processing takes place..

I'm going to report my findings on the new moto camera update. From the look of it it's just a routine, general update that shouldn't make much difference.
[Moto G General] AluKed:
bien irleeno

Not really. RAW is much more than an uncompressed image, it's as close to the raw, unprocessed sensor output as possible. No demosaicing, no tone mapping/gamma, no conversion from (typically) 12 bits per pixel to 8 bits, no processing and no lossy compression. If any of this is done, then it isn't RAW.
[Moto G General] el-marino:
For you which camera app is the best ?
[Moto G General] dinomovil11:
camera awesome is amazing and vignette its very good try with this app's u can get a better pic from stock cam
[Moto G General] jcbmira:
I think the original Android app takes better photos

The only problem with this app is the HDR

I installed the original app 4.2, 4.3 and 4.4, none of them has the HDR

Any way to solve this?
[Moto G General] ctiltman:
I've just installed snap camera, I have to say it is streets ahead of stock moto cam.
[Moto G General] cption:
I wasn't able to post before/after comparison with the stock camera app as it updated itself. So far I'm not seeing any different image wise between the update.

I've done some comparison shots in between the cameras, and added in my Ativ S (GS3 WP8 alter-ego) as a bonus.

Snap Camera focus very well, and I was able to take good shots with my shaky hands. However, the blurring issue is very apparent with all camera apps..

N.B. The Focal photo was slightly blurred due to my shaky hands, sorry!
[Moto G General] Kameo:
Just to clear it, you're talking about this paid app ?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.marginz.snap&hl=en
[Moto G General] lost101:
SlashGear have posted an article on the Camera software update released by Motorola.

[SlashGear]
[Moto G General] King p1n:
I dunno Slashgear articles seems iffy...

Moto G ALREADY had the Exposure/Focal Ring tbh, seems they didnt notice or use it in their original review. This exposure/focus ring is the basis of their camera comparison it seems.
[Moto G General] Psychoferno:
I did not find options to manual focus and exposure.
[Moto G General] flargen:
It's just the ring that you can drag around the screen to choose the point of focus and exposure. I'm sure that we (at least I did!) had this from the beginning on Moto G (maybe the X didn't and that's where the stories are coming from?) and the recent update was basically bug fixes for us.
[Moto G General] Psychoferno:
Yes, the G Moto already had this function. Thanks for the clarification.
[Moto G General] cption:
Yes, I just used the trial for the comparison.

Note that XDA compresses the image so it's very hard to tell from the photos I posted.

But the Moto-G is absolutely no match for the camera on my Ativ-S/GS3. Not sure if it will fair better if the noise reduction issues been fixed.

But

Snap Camera

seem to do the best job out of the apps I've tried, for my shaky hand of course. Not compared the HDR mode yet but stock camera do that quite well.
[Moto G General] King p1n:
any comparison between s3?^
[Moto G General] Entropy512:
Camera apps rarely make any significant difference in quality, unless they start passing different parameters/settings to the camera HAL.

Usually, if you see major changes in camera performance, it's HAL changes, which require a system firmware update.
[Moto G General] AluKed:
I'm guessing that we'll get the Camera HAL v3 with Kit Kat 4.5. I mean, that's the kind of feature that would justify a version bump. Hopefully the hardware will be compliant enough that it won't have to run in the Limited Semantics mode.
[Moto G General] King p1n:
You mention that it requires system firmware updates.

Could this "Hal" stuff be edited with custom roms by any chance?
[Moto G General] dinomovil11:
vignette and lgcameraPro are the best apps for me, lgcamerapro have some options for pictures and video recorder
[Moto G General] zack.1988:
Could somebody please report the too-high-noise-reduction issue to Motorola support forum? Maybe they will be able to fix it then
[Moto G General] zack.1988:
Ok, thread started here:

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/484ae2193b

If you agree, please comment & rate it to make it more relevant.
[Moto G General] BarrelRoll1:
Hey guys, Motorola is on this! Check the thread on their forum, Nicole is asking for help in reproducing it
[Moto G General] zack.1988:
Thx for reporting it!
[Moto G General] Minervamc:
Maybe with upgrading for the newest Kitkat camera will be optimized. :)
[Moto G General] liveroy:
There is almost none noise reduction in the camera firmware, someone lied to you.

The sensor is what causes this "paint-like" effect when pictures are captured in very high/low lit areas.In the cmos sensor production they call this effect overfeed and its more visible on the cheaply made ones.

In other words - don't expect any improvement over what you've got at the moment.
[Moto G General] RepoX_RAY:
Hi All,

I've updated the Motorola Forum thread with an analysis based on GSM Arena's standard test posters, shooted with Moto G, Motorola Defy and Samsung mid-end terminal Galaxy W, all 5mpx.

As you can see while we suffer on Moto G of blurring from noise reduction on many parts of the photos, when looking at the "black/white stripes" (forgive me I don't know the official technical name for that) used to put in evidence camera/lenses resolution limit, Moto G is performing much better than Defy and W, which produce overall better photos with more details.

Hence to me this is a clear proof that noise reduction algorithm is really there and is worsening a lot the real potential capabilities of Moto G's camera.

Please all keep on posting on Motorola thread to keep the thread alive and increase Motorola attention to it!!!

Kind Regards,

RepoX
[Moto G General] RepoX_RAY:
Why you say that? Do you have some insight into Aptina products? The only info we found is a leaflet where they explicitly talk about noise reduction algorithm in the sensor.

I tried googling "overfeed" but I found nothing. Could you explain better what "overfeed" should be (i.e. what's the physics of the phenomena) or point at some documentation describing this effect?

Thanks in advance
[Moto G General] diecast:
This god damn noise is the 'valur for money' phrase!! I am tired of this vfm fashion never again!

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[Moto G General] liveroy:
Sorry NDA, can't go into any specifics.

All I can do is answer you with a question:

Why did moto never mentioned the camera as a key improvement in any update they did to the Moto G? Neither in major or minor updates? The camera quality was perfect as in day 0?

The term overfeed is used commonly by the engineers in the industry, but it's not an official term, just a way to describe certain condition between each other.

I can't really explain you why and how, cos it's too damn specific and it would be stupid to say that I fully understand it myself.

Nevertheless though, it means there isn't much headroom for improvement over what there is right now. Maybe, just maybe a little bit, but I guess it won't be even noticeable (let's hope that moto proves me wrong at some point).
[Moto G General] fabiozon:
Is there a way to get the stock camera in a custom ROM? I find it's easier to use than other options.
[Moto G General] chocobain:
Mate,

if you want the stock camera, just visit this link

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2779425

you can download the attachment for	Moto camera for non-stock roms
[Moto G General] RepoX_RAY:
Well my friend, if you told me "trust me I'm an engineer" instead of that stuff wou would have appeared even more credible.

If you really are bond by an NDA, then now you're be liable by Aptina: you've said that their cmos camera has no - or very light - noise reduction, that is diclosing technical info from Aptina, and even worse: they state in their leaflet (that is official corporate marketing documentation) that their sensor has a strong point in noise reduction algorithm, then you're revealing this is a complete cheat... Come on...

The "engineers in the industry" as you say are used speaking with standard and non-ambiguos terms, they talk about "latch-up", "current leackage" and other mysterious words indicating physical phenomena that are all well described in all electronics engneering books - and even in wikipedia. No secret words that only engineers know and trade by oral tradition to the new initiates...

To come to your "over feed" term: if you're meaning some saturation effect of the single pixel sensor, or even some effect of current/charge coupling among cells of adjacent pixels (see how it's easy to say?), then take a look at images on GSM Arena, detailed in Motorola's forum thread: Moto G's camera takes high detail, better than competitors, where pixel-to-pixel "colour distance" is maximum (like black vs white), while detail is neglected al watermarked/blurred abruptly where the color distance among pixels becomes smaller. If camera sensor was really affected by some leackage/charge coupling effect, then such phenomena should have been noticed not only for areas with similar colors but also on high-contrast patterns as well.

Trust me, I'm an engineer. :D
[Moto G General] King p1n:
This is actually still being discussed? Wow.

Lets face it the cameras crummy, and no amount of software tweaks is going to take it away. Dont you think it'd have been done now??? Lets use some common sense.

We can just hope Moto G v2 will come with a better camera.
[Moto G General] RepoX_RAY:
Yes, I do agree: let's use common sense: Moto X came with bad camera performance, which was clearly improved by the following firmware updates.

Moto X and Moto G use two camera sensors both from the same manufacturer.
[Moto G General] NeddeX:
Guys. Support us on Motorola Support's twitter and Motorola forum

Hi guys. So this topic in the Moto G's forum again became veryy very hot. So it would be good if you support us. We are waiting too long time to get answer from Motorola - if they are going to fix the camera or not.:confused::good:
[Moto G General] BarrelRoll1:
Well, so far they've been telling us to "wait" and that it's "being looked into" and they haven't even confirmed the issue which takes a 2-second glance at a photo to see. I don't know if they're just trying to stall or have so, soooo much other stuff on their minds that they can't look at something like this right now (then again, the thread has existed for so long)
[Moto G General] SbM_:
First option. "The issue is being looked into" is a polite way for a company to say "**** off".
[Moto G General] RepoX_RAY:
xdaforums.com/moto-g/general/how-to-unlock-advanced-camera-settings-t2884035

TA-DAA...
[Moto G General] madman:
Almost 3 months later you decided to bump the thread for no apparent reason?? Bravo
[Moto G General] liveroy:
Why did you quote me there? These settings got zero effect on the quality of the photos, the paint effect is still there, it actually may lead to more NR if you disable wavelet pp.
[Moto G General] GodOfPsychos:
zero effect?? then sir, you have to be blind. just look at the comparison between noise settings on-off here and look at some other replies what people experienced so far
[Moto G General] juanchotazo99:
I invite everyone who's participated on this thread to have a look here and see what the guy above me has found on the camera matter.

I've brought all that to Moto's attention in their official Moto G camera quality feedback thread. Of course there's been silence so far, it's an embarrassing situation for their camera team and it just keeps getting worse the more time they spend without even doing some damage control.

Please spread awareness of our findings, this ought to be fixed on the next update.

Yes, there's still some filtering going on, but the situation is quite improved just by turning off three hidden settings. Enjoy your G's new camera.
[Moto G General] liveroy:
Yes, I must be blind , coz the only thing I see is more color noise w/o wavelet pp and washed-out colors without it.Cool story bro.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chad_Petree:
Nexus won't connect to my WiFi network , I was using my nexus 5 without issues but today we upgraded the internet speed , and to be able to do it ,we had to get a new modem (besides the new data plan ) , the thing is now I can't get internet on my phone while connected to the WiFi , it connects but I can't do do anything , when I open the browser I get this message :

I can use WiFi with my laptop , and I tried everything I could ,I reset the modem , made a new network with new password etc , I changed the configuration of the router so that the network won't have WPS , I set the DNS values to the "Google ones " 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 , I don't know what do to do anymore :'(
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meangreenie:
Just checking...Have you plugged the modem into the wrong hole on the router?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chad_Petree:
That was also an issue ,if I connect the modem to the router where it should go ( and were it was before we upgraded the modem) , the hole says "internet " then I don't get internet , only when I put it in a "normal LAN hole"is that I get internet :/
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Znamir81:
Check Modem or Router settings for MAC filtering.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meangreenie:
It's got to go in the int port or you won't have a dhcp server and only 1 device well be able to connect.

Wire it up correctly then turn

both

the modem and router off for a minute, then turn back on the modem and wait a couple of minutes or until the lights confirm it's connected, then turn on your router and wait a minute, then try connecting to it.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chad_Petree:
OK I put the modem cable in the "internet port " on the router , now I get no internet at all :/

Another question , should I put my second cable ( the one that goes to my roomate's laptop ) on the router or on the modem ?

And what should state under these settings ?

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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meangreenie:
if your modem has LAN ports then it's likely an all in one router/modem.. for basic setup just use that one

it gets complicated after that as how to set two up as you only want one to be serving ideally, and the 2nd as a wireless access point or client repeater..

sorry if I have your situation wrong
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Znamir81:
Disable MAC filtering if you have it enabled or add your Nexus 5 and other wireless devices MAC address to allowed section.