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[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] martinctv:
I don't know how you guys are doing it. I have tried several times to delete items in my extended rom using total commander, at least 10 times and the result is the same. After the hard reset all that was deleted was re-installed after the reset.

I have contacted TC a while ago, and have not heard anything, maybe they are working on it.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] mikewchandler:
Just curious....as I'm new to this ext rom stuff....but why don't you just "not install" the ext rom. Then use gsfinder to install whichever .cabs you want? If any? Just curious as I may be missing something. :roll:
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] fmcgirt:
No, I think the end result would be pretty much the same. For me I would like an Extended ROM for the JAMin that includes exacty what I want installed - no Backgammon, AntiVirus, Smart Dialing, Skype and a single Operator Settings file for TMO USA. Then when I hard reset I don't have to mess with anything else, just let it go. I had my KJAM setup that way and I would like the JAMin to be the same. I would also be as close to an OEM install as I can get (without the junk) so I don't have to worry about proper default settings not being there because of some file I didn't install or installed in the wrong order. Having said all this and thinking about it more I am sure you would get to the same point doing your procedure and then installing the required .cab files in the proper order.

Now I have a question:

Wonder what would happen if I did a hard reset, then did the soft reset to stop the Ext ROM install, installed the required .cab files in order, soft reset and then restored from a Sprite BU file. Wonder would I be restoring any files that could cause problems due to an imcomplete ROM install? I guess I will have to try that first since I do hate to re-install a bunch of apps and especially have to re-enter all the reg codes.

Frank
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] fmcgirt:
OK, I gave it a try using my current configuration which had Backgammon, Antivirus, SmartDialing and Skype deleted using the Remove Programs panel. I had previously made a copy of the Extended ROM on the SD card using Total Commander after removing the Read Only bit for each file.

Made full Sprite backup.

Hard reset using Clear Storage.

Interrupted customization with soft reset before 3 seconds timeout.

Installed the following files from the SD card using File Explorer in this order:

Default_Imate_PPC_SA_V5.5.03.cab

Default_MP_Shortcut_MMS1_JAVA_VOICE_CV_051213.CAB

Default_PP_TSK.CAB

Default_PP_UAString.CAB

Default_PP_Version.CAB

Default_PT_Signed_IconDll.sa.CAB

Default_PT_Signed_Patch_SD.sa.CAB

Soft reset.

Did full Sprite restore.

Everything seems to have come back fine and all works as before so far. However my memory usage did not change so this tells me that this procedure I just did is pretty much equivalent to doing the full Ext ROM install, Choosing Cancel for Operator Settings, and then removing the same programs with Remove Programs that I did not install here. The speed also did not change but I found it plenty fast enough before, probably because I had removed most of the "slow pokes".

At least I am happy to learn that if somehow I cause a hard reset in the future that I can get back to a recent Sprite bu with little effort.

Frank
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] anox:
Just in my opinion,

I need EXT ROM unlocked so that its space can be used for something else.

For me, after a hard reset I restore all apps (including the ones from EXT ROM) from my PC, anyway.

Or even better, if the EXT ROM can be remapped as free space :lol:

(a bit confusing terms here, as we can write something into ROM which

stands for Read Only Memory :D )

Anox.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] mikewchandler:
Thanks for the explanation. I was just wondering. I actually don't install anything at all from the ext rom....so I guess if I have to hard reset, I just do it, then soft reset.....then I'm good to go.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] fmcgirt:
I don't think it is a question of "either or" here. I think that the Extended ROM is installing into what is essentially Storage Memory so that if you bypass the loading of the Ext ROM then that will give you the maximum amount of Storage Memory you will ever have. I don't think that a certain area(size) of Storage Memory is reserved for Ext ROM but rather taken as the Ext ROM is installed and then locked after installation. So if you unlock an "empty" region of Storage memory you will gain nothing. At least that is my understanding of how it works. It could be easily checked by someone who has bypassed the EXt ROM installation and using Total Commander to check the size of the "empty" Extended_ROM.

[EDIT by fmcgirt] The above is all crap!!! Of course one has to unlock the Extended ROM to delete the files and reclaim the space for something else. Bypassing the Ext ROM install does not save you any space except that you could gain by removing the stuff listed in Remove Programs after a full Ext ROM install. I guess I was just explaining how IMHO it ought to have been implemented. Getting too late here to be talking about this stuff!

Frank
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] fmcgirt:
I sure think so! Except those 7 files I installed probably implement MMS and Voice Dial and install other miscellaneous items which you haven't missed with your installation so I would just do what you are doing.

Frank
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] erez29:
is it so hard to make an unlocker for our loved JAMIN?

:shock:
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] mikewchandler:
I'm sure someone can figure it out.....but I'm sure it won't be me. :roll:
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] shahzadkhan15nov:
remember bigstorage?

Guys,

why cant we have solution like bigstorage where none no CAB is remained on the ExtROM and all this space is read/writeable
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] erez29:
any good news?

:(
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] Matterhorn:
I have found most of the big programs in extended rom are already installed on the device, even if you did a soft reset before extended rom is installed. They are just not activated. MMS, Voice Dial, ClearView, Java, etc. are already in the windows directory and of course you can't delete them without an unlocker. I think HTC has included all of the big programs in the main ROM and left it up to the retail outlets to activate them as they see fit. Have a look at the size of these extended rom cab files, they are nothing. On my Imate Jam some of the extended rom cab files were huge, meaning that they actually installed programs, not just activating them.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] fmcgirt:
I had to do another hard reset today because of problems with the latest beta of Opera browser. I got distracted after the hard reset and did not get to do a soft reset in time to prevent the Ext ROM installation so I let it go all the way through and wound up with 38036kb of Storage Memory. I went to Remove Programs and removed the only three items listed there, Skype, CA eTrust Antivirus, and Backgammon and gained about 6MB to 44046kb. This is very close to the value that I get when I don't let the Ext ROM install at all so I think that Matterhorn is right about the Ext ROM files doing mostly activations rather than full installations. My procedure from now on will be to just let everything complete after a hard reset and then remove the "bad" stuff later. This could cause a little fragmenting of Storage Memory but probably not worth worrying about and I get the benefit of not missing something getting installed that I may use like MMS and Voice Dial.

I did note that SmartDialing was not listed in Remove Programs at all so it probably gets activated through the Enable Smart Dialing Options in Phone.

I am really thankful to have Sprite BU for WM5 - another flawless restore after a hard reset!

Frank
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] Matterhorn:
One more thing that I figured out is that you can install some cabs from the Dopod 818pro. I installed the MMS/Java cab from the 818pro because the one from Imate includes activation of the Voice Dial program which I didn't want. As you said, you can always get rid of it later. It is nice to know that you can use cab files from other prophet devices though.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] pen25:
why wouldnt one just do a backup when you have it the way you like it. then when you have to restore you just restore from sd?

never mind i now know why. just recived my jamin today and see what the issue is. now question is when i load total comannder where do i look for extrom??
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] thomasg:
unlock ext. rom of mda compact II
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] Matterhorn:
You need a special unlock program to delete files from the extended rom, there is one for the wizard, but it doesn't work on the Jamin. Maybe there is another one out there, but be careful. Anyway, look at the size of the extended rom files, you don't really gain that much ROM by deleting them, many of the extended rom programs are already installed in your windows directory, have a look, the extended rom file only activates them. The main saving is RAM when the programs are not running.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
Here we go guys, this util. worked for my prophet (XDA Neo, german) It Unlocked ExtRom with read and WRITE access. Survives soft reset. You can view it (with resco explorer or total commander or whatever you want), delete content, and install programs into it. Etc. Have no clue how it works since its WM 5 and plus its Read Only Memory! But the bottom line, it worked for me. Tested only on my own Prophet.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
Forgot to mention it, after install, soft reset device.

Oh yeah, this is not my program, I got it of the XDA ftp. Thanx to whoever made this program and pointed me out in the right directions when I still was messing with my Magician (this util doesn't work for Magician though)

All though, I have unlocked my ExtRom few days ago, removed all the content from it (wasn't much though) played a while with it and I don't see much performance improvement. It s just good for hiding Theft Notifiers in ExtRom and etc. After hard reset you still have to run this util again just to make the ExtRom visible.

Cheers and good luck!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
So how are you guys doing with ExtRom unlock? has this worked for anybody else? or I'm the only lucky one?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] erez29:
after SR everything is here again mate...

:(
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
hmm, this is strange.. really strange..I dont have this problem even after hard reset! I guess it also depends on the roms we are using.. you would think it wouldnt make much difference in extended rom. sucks.. wich rom are you using? my OS ROM is 2.9.4.30 GER(date 2-14-06) and really need to get qtek s200 WWE! tried few things and with no avail.. any ideas? (tried awisard) by the way, in device info its not showing any ExtRom Version after unlock with Wisard ExtRom Unlock util.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] dnts:
Files show up again after SR... So I gave up on the extended ROM thing BUT now my camera will only save to either main memory or Ext_ROM and not to the SD card... :roll:

I need to hide Ext_ROM - what registry entries I need to modify?

Thanks,

Nir
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] maddude:
Hi, what utility is it?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] ZMDK:
I tried this one before on 2 imate JAMin with the same ROM that I bought at the same time.

Result: One of them has an unlocked EXT ROM that I can modify and holds file even after hard reset. The other one restores after a soft reset :s
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
got the same problem here mate.. have no idea how to fix it:)

tried few things with no avail:( hopefully somebody smarter would feel sorry and would help us:)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
no problems here guys, besides the camera "defult save to" changed:( I've deleted everything out of mine ExtRom and its not there after soft nor hard reset. 10 mb free space! I'm going to reflash my xda with wwe rom and I hace a feeling I may have same problem as you guys! so don't worry to much:)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] buzz_lightyear:
hey guys,

could you please post your bootloader/SPL versions alongside with info, weather extROM unlock works or not?

thanx

buzz
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
Ok, here we go, just flashed (successfully!!! Once for difference THANK YOU MACHONAGOD!!!) My XDA Neo DE with Imate Jamin 2.13.9.23/ Radio 1_02.20.21 /protocol 4.1.13.9/ ExtRom 2.13.9.123 IPL 2.09 SPL 2.13.0000

And guess what?  Same ext rom problem here. Not that I’m too upset about it, I am happy I can finally read and understand my phones language but on the other side, we want everything to be perfect, don’t we? Well, as with any microsoft product it never happens, though would be nice to get rid of all the unneeded junk from MY phone. It just frustrates me that companies advertise the product with certain parameters, 128 mb rom in this case and then they clog it up with junk and lock the memory! Not exactly 128 mb any more is there? Or the locked CID for instance? I can see the possible reasons for that (to protect from dummy users wrong update perhaps) but I think it should be up to the end user as to what OS and language they want to use it on their device!

Once again, I would like to thank Machinagod for his help, time and consideration for coming up and sharing with us all the needed tools to finish it what manufactures and retailers wouldn’t do to provide quality product!

And of course huge thanks to all the xda forum users for your input and help!

Thanks to you guys, I have successfully flashed my previous phone, XDA Mini in the past, have configured a lot of tweaks and made the device actually usable!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] buzz_lightyear:
...so may we say, that:

IPL 2.09 SPL 2.13.0000 -> doesn't work

?

thanx

buzz
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
yep.. Unfortunately.. wait, but why does this has to do with boot loader? I have the same boot loader (but do I?) as before upgrade from german to WWE. and it worked while I had german. nothing came back after the resets. OS update doesn't change the bootloader does it? I didn't think it did.

do you think you could find the solution for these issues?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] AngelJo008:
I did the install without the Ext ROM so that I could fix my intermittant soft resets and I have lost the ability for the smart dialing which I do like. I looked in the phone options and the ability to activate this option is not there. Now my question is, is there a way to just install or activate that one feature using Resco explorer since it already sits in my windows folder unactivated? If so, what is the exact file name for that particular application?

EDIT:

Installed the unlocker file for ext ROM2 and then did a soft reset--I then went into resco or even windows file explorer and can install INDIVIDUAL applications. I got my smart dialing :D

I suppose I could even delete certain files if I wished but am not sure which ones so will leave it alone since I am not pressed for storage.

BTW--while installing individal applications I get the option of installing to main memory

ext ROM2 storage

or storage card
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] Lindi:
Please help :(

I unlocked ExtRom and changed file properties to Read/write. After next hard reset all cabs gets deleted. Who can provide latest O2 german extrom files?

Please help.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] buzz_lightyear:
hi guys,

problem solved...

i've made extendedROM unlocker for new Wizards and Prophets.

will release it in next few days.

buzz
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] Khuanchai:
That's a great news, Buzz! Thank you in advance.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
ExtRom Unlocker

Thank you Buzz! Can't wait to try it! Will this unlocker allow deletion of all the ExtRom content? Will it all return after the resets Soft/Hard? Thank you once again!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] buzz_lightyear:
Re: ExtRom Unlocker

you can delete all, nothing will return :D

buzz
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
Ext Rom and camera "save to" issue

Buzz, you’re good! Man you’re good! Thanx for the hard work man! I really appreciate what you do. Can’t wait to try it! That means it’s fully writable now, if you can, delete it right? You know, there is a little issue though, when you make ExtRom visible, the camera doesn’t have an option to save to SD card. I imagine it’s probably just the matter of registry editing with right values. I tried that, but due to the fact that I’m just plain uneducated when it comes to registry, I couldn’t get it to work Will you be able to look in to this? Thank you once again!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] SDay:
Re: Ext Rom and camera "save to" issue

I had similar problem. However, I don't think there is anything Buzz can do about that. I tried to tweak the registry to get the camera to see storage card. But due to the poorly designed camera software, it can only see the main memory and other storage device.

In the case where ext_rom is made visible, the "other" storage device, from camera's perspective, is default to ext_rom instead of storage card. Sorry, i think there will not be any solution until MS or ur system provider makes some change to the camera program.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] Khuanchai:
Just to let everyone know that buzz has posted his program that can unlock the Prophet extended ROM here:

http://buzzdev.net/component/option...view/id,19323/catid,45/limit,15/limitstart,0/

All credit goes to buzz_lightyear. Thanks a lot - buzz.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] onesolo:
Caution, as it's a test version.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] J.Walker:
Huh, I have installed it, have a liitle play ad got out. While showing Extrom2, it leads to shift my SD card to folder Storage Card2, so, all the software, installed on SD becomes unavailable... Is it a bug or a feature? :)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] aleksandr:
ExtRom Unlocked!

Hmmm, its strange. Worked for me flawlessly. My storage card name stayed the same. Camera doesn’t sees it though in settings. But besides that it worked! Deleted everything out of there. Nothing comeback after soft reset. Probably wouldn’t return after hard reset either :) And I guess I can save pictures and videos taken with camera into Ext Rom storage as well. Just got to remember to move it every time. Kind of inconvenient, but I’m happy I can get rid of all the junk and gain 10 mb of extra space!

(running Neo with Dopods latest rom 2.15.13.27 WWE

Thank you, Buzz!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] onesolo:
No problem at all over my S200. No more ext. rom.

Is it possible to install programs on the ext. rom ??
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] chensayno:
Thanks, Buzz. It works on my S200 (w/ Dopod WWE 2.15.13.27 ROM)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] Khuanchai:
Yes, you can do that but you will have to unhide it first. After that when you install program, there will be another option for you to install into.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] fychan:
Unlocker not working on my Dopod 818pro

Hi guys,

I've installed the Buzz Prophet unlocker....

It does makes the Ext ROM visible as Extended_ROM2 but changes are still loss after a soft-reset.

to

I did a test where I create a folder "test" in the ext rom and after a soft-reset its gone....

Please advise...

ROM Version: 2.15.13.27 WWE

Ext ROM Version: 2.15.13.121

How do I check the BootLoader version?

Really want to get this done... so that I can modify my own config.txt to be able to auto install own programs & apply registry hacks after a soft-reset.

Hope to get a solution soon... :)

Thanks....
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] buzz_lightyear:
Re: Unlocker not working on my Dopod 818pro

hi fychan,

how this could be possible, if i didn't implement any unhiding functionality into it?

:o)

buzz
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] fychan:
Re: Unlocker not working on my Dopod 818pro

Hi Buzz,

I'm confused :? ...isn't this unlocker suppose to allow us to read, write and modify the contents in the ext rom? And to do all these.... dun we need to be least be abe to see the ext rom?

From the historic thread......it seems that u may have a solution that will make these changes to the ext rom persistent even after a soft reset. Did I understand correctly?? :roll:

Please advise....

Cheers
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] onesolo:
And how do unhide it??
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] andilein:
Hi,

I was running the first unlocker "unlock ext rom" (don't have the link at this time) on my XDA Neo, which made the ext rom visable and writeable.

After ROM upgrade it was still visible but no longer writeable. So I installed buzz program on top.

Now my Ext Rom is visible and writeable again. It's named Extended_ROM2. Created a directory "test" with several files in it and it survives soft resets without problems.

Imho it has something to do with renaming the Ext Rom. The first unlocker makes it visible as Extended_ROM. And there are some autorun entries in the registry pointing to Extended_ROM. There is also a bootcounter.

After running buzz program Extended_ROM is renamed Extended_ROM2 and therefore it is not touched by the registry or ROM entries trying to cleanup the extended Rom.

andilein
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] anox:
Hi,

To those who are confused about Buzz' Prophet Ext ROM Unlocker,

Buzz clearly states that it is a test version and it makes your Ext ROM writable, NOT visible.

He will finish the complete program later.

http://buzzdev.net/component/option...view/id,17940/catid,45/limit,15/limitstart,0/

To Dopod ROM (Ver: 2.15.13.27 WWE) users,

This unlocker works perfectly.

All you need to do after running Buzz' Prophet Ext ROM unlocker is to

make your unlocked Ext ROM visible by changing a few registry keys.

Attached here is a CAB file to change those registry keys for your convenience.

Steps:

1) Run Buzz' Prophet Ext ROM unlocker

2) Run the attached CAB file

3) Soft-reset your device

After that, there will be a folder (Ext ROM) named "Storage" of 10 mb which is

visible and writable to the system. Its content will survive a soft-reset or even a hard-reset.

An issue I find is that some applications will see this new Storage as the default, instead of Storage Card. But this has nothing to do with Buzz' unlocker. There may be some registry fix to this as well, but I have no idea:)

All credits are to Buzz who did the real magic work. The CAB file here just simply changes a few registry keys.

Thank you Buzz.

Anox.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] sibere:
Works for me (spv M600 rom FR)

Excepts that camera stores only to main memory or new Storage (ext rom) and that a "storage card" folder is created when i soft reset the device. My SD card is named "Storage Card2". I have to delete the new folder, remove and insert again my SDcard so it's name becomes "Storage Card". Maybe some Reg tweaks to get rid of these little troubles?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] onesolo:
I already did put the ext_rom visible after tweaking some registry keys, but what happens is that storage card path is rename to storage_card2 and goes to last position after ext_rom. And for ex, on the camera the ext_rom substitute the storage card and all apps shortcuts on the start menu installed on the storage card don't run because the storage card path has been renamed. Even after I made ext_rom invisable, the storage card remain with the same name path. I tried to find the registry keys to solve this 2 problems but didn't find anything. And therefore I had to made a restore of the registry.

I only sugest make visible the ext_rom, if one don't care about the saving path of the camera and still have not installed anything on the storage card.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] chairman:
UP.............
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] sibere:
I've solved the "Storage card2" problem. You have to make sure that none of your apps (PocketIE, Mails, ...) stores temp file & attachements to your SDcard. Change all options to store to main memory or extended rom only. Thus your SDcard will be named "Storage Card" at boot time. The "camera" problem still remains ... :cry: