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[Moto X Q&A] kolyan:
Moto X is the only phone that has special CPU to run both mic and active notifications in low power mode. The only "mod" you need is root, rest is taken care of with Tasker and Xposed apps

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Not flashaholic, but 4.4.2 and camera fix would be nice......
[Moto X Q&A] barondebxl:
I'm getting really bored with this moto x. I'm too used to flash Roms. I'm selling my x on swappa if anyone is interested. Check my signature!
[Moto X Q&A] Exel:
Coming from a Nexus 5, I can tell you there are very few benefits from switching.

The Nexus 5 doesn't feel that much snappier, maybe under heavy gameplay, but other than that, it doesn't. Also, I prefer AMOLED screens. Light bleed in the Nexus 5 is eh, not super horrible, but it's there. The only real benefit I can see from moving to the Nexus 5 is more ROM development and a slightly bigger screen.
[Moto X Q&A] :
Buh bye! ;)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
[Moto X Q&A] barondebxl:
Yellow.
[Moto X Q&A] dandan2980:
I picked up the moto x today over the N5 this phone is a perfect size IMHO and you get the same android experience as you would on the N5
[Moto X Q&A] kolyan:
Buddy selling N5 for $300.......damn Motorola, why can't they at least comment on next update...
[Moto X Q&A] marvin02:
I was vacillating between the Moto X and the N5. I just ordered the Moto X after lurking in both areas here on XDA and reading as much as I could on the web. Went to a local AT&T store and loved the form of the X. I ordered the developer's edition direct from Motorola.
[Moto X Q&A] byt3b0mb:
bought the N5 first and just got the moto - having a hard time deciding which I like better they are both awesome. so far i love the moto x - touchless control and active notifications on the amoled display is awesome. The N5 is definitely faster due to the quad core chip with faster clock speed.

so far battery life on both for me is about the same - approximately a day and a half with my normal usage.

at $400 for the N5 32gb you may as well buy it and have both :)
[Moto X Q&A] quasitime:
I have a Moto X, and I'm thinking about trying an N5 just to compare. I'm coming from an unlocked bootloader HTC One X running ViperXL, and I really loved that device (and rom). The screen was great, and the build quality was top notch. Having just got the Moto X, the plastic around the front glass feels cheaper, and easily scuffed. The reception is noticeably better though.

However, the screen seems a little smaller because of the soft navigation buttons. I know KitKat resolves this, but I'm already having regrets owning a device that I'll have to "work" to root and worry about future updates. I'm having to hold off upgrading to 4.4 because of the Exchange bug. But I do plan to root because AD bloat on the phone drives me bonkers.

Does anyone know how bad Amoled burn-in is? That's another thing that has me worried about brightness settings on the Moto X. I never really had to baby my old HTC One X, and the screen still performs like a champ after 1.5 years.
[Moto X Q&A] :
If you think rooting is "work", I'd recommend not rooting or doing anything to your phone. Lol It's supposed to be a bit of "work" to basically "hack" a device. And frankly, it's part of the fun.

Also, my last phone was amoled, had it 2 years... Moderate to heavy use... I didn't ever get any burn in.... And I can say I never heard of anyone getting any.

Not sure what you've been reading... But maybe read more than one person's supposed issues.

I don't know your experience level with messing with Android devices, but rooting the Moto x is as simple as any device I've owned. Is there one click root? No. But you learn nothing doing that anyway, or using "toolboxes".

K.... I'll shut up now. Just make sure you do thorough research before you do anything. Cause your amoled research led you astray it seems. :)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....

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Oh... Future updates? Google already started the 18 months of updates rule. It will be the same for the Moto x as the N5...18 months of updates. That's when the devs will step in, as they always do... And keep our updates coming. ;)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
[Moto X Q&A] quasitime:
If you Google around a little you find some reports. I found them randomly just doing some research on amoled screens, because I've never owned one.

I'll link em here later. One thing I noticed for sure is the lower half of my screen has a noticeably cooler temperature on whites than the upper half.
[Moto X Q&A] :
Any thing you read must be very isolated issues. I spent a long time in the s2 forums, with xda members... Who we all know are pickier about their phones than average consumer.... And again... Never did I hear of a moved screens getting any thing like that. So again.... You're reading about isolated hardware issues... Not something that normally happens. That's what I'm trying to say.

Amoled screens do not have burn in issues.... But yes... occasionally hardware can fail. If you doubt me... Read though the S2 threads. Those phones are 2 and 3 years old now.... Burn in is never talked about.

;)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
[Moto X Q&A] kolyan:
Had N1, Galaxy Nexus, and S4....never had burn-in, but my buddy did on his S4, I also saw many Galaxy Nexus devices in stores with burn-in
[Moto X Q&A] :
Still this :)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....

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Still this ^^^^

If it was a widespread issue.... It would be all over xda.... And it isn't. Ever. ;)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
[Moto X Q&A] biggiestuff:
It was pretty evident on the galaxy nexus forums regarding the burn in. I experienced myself but it was so minor so I didn't care too much. As for the work for rooting, I'm in the group that wants it as easy as possible and rooting on a nexus is by far the easiest for any noobie with the toolkit. Rooting the gs3, gs4, and now the moto x has just enough extra steps to make it annoying for non advanced users like myself. With that said I have both phones but use the n5 as my daily driver until I can find the time to sit down and and properly root the moto x. I'm anal about what runs in the background and without root the moto x is killing my ocd. I have 2 lines and both use Google voice so no Sim switching for me. I pay 40 bucks a month and just grab whatever phone I feel like at the time. They both ring when receiving calls so its easy to switch between the 2.
[Moto X Q&A] NJGSII:
If y'all think the root process on this phone is bad, you wouldn't had bothered on the One X. Check out one of the earlier exploits before AT&T disabled the installation app(Perhaps the only time in history bloat has ever been useful)

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...the-att-htc-one-x-on-version-1-85-or-earlier/.

Was a total PITA. I found the process on this phone not to be bad at all, but I've been on here since 2011 and this is my 4th android phone now lol.
[Moto X Q&A] got_killed:
I really do like my Moto X. It has a great feel, perfect size, and non-gimmicky features. Coming from a Nexus 5 it felt nice not having the need to flash. But, there's one thing for sure that is going to make me sell it to return to a Nexus 5. It's the Android OS wakelock. It's killing my battery. Many others are having the same problem and Motorola has not seemed to recognize it as a real issue.

I've tried every solution, searched all forums and have created my own for all solutions and none have worked. I've factory reset, cleared cache, rooted, greenified, disabled location services, Google Now, everything. I can't stand when people say, 'well if you don't use your phone, then Android OS will always be high.' There's just no dang reason for it to be any higher than screen time, especially considering I only get 2 hrs of it max. But, because of it, my idle battery life suffers so greatly. Gsam, wakelock detector, and BBM all tell me it's kernel Android OS and no other app. I really don't want to get rid of it, but I almost have to because it's becoming increasingly frustrating.
[Moto X Q&A] kolyan:
Don't know about wake locks, but my battery lasts longer then my S4.

And even with heavy use I am at 30-40% by the end of the day. That's with 3 to 5 hours of screen time, 12-16 hours of standby, and everything syncing...including Google Now, Facebook, Whatsapp, etc.

One thing I am afraid of is the battery on N5 not to be as good as MX, although by now after reading many posts and reviews, I am pretty sure they are similar
[Moto X Q&A] :
I'm convinced the Android OS issue is related to Moto apps, not google apps... Tho freezing and/or disabling as many of those as you can is still for the best.

I've froze every mention of Motorola in titanium backup.... Except active notification and touch less control... And my Android OS is definitely still higher than I'd like, but I still get over 24 hours total and 5 to over 6 hours screen time. Yes... I keep my screen brightness low.... I'd say 20 percent as an average all day. Yes, location services are off. Yes, syncing is mostly off, except Gmail. And my held awake time in gsam is usually under an hour after 24 hours.

So, I believe that those who don't want to disable all that Moto stuff, aside from the big 2 features, are gonna suffer battery wise. We can say that's BS... But it's the same with Samsung bloat and other phone makers.... The more you freeze, the more battery you save.

Is Android OS kinda high on the Moto x.... Yeah, I think so. But it can be controlled a lot with some freezing. Personally I have no use for the Moto crap... Active notification I'm always keeping.... I think I'm gonna freeze touchless control too tho.... I never use it.

And yes... The more you use your phone, the lower Android OS gets. Same on any phone I've used. When the phone idles... It's mostly system stuff working in the background, so that makes sense to me. If you don't use your phone much.... It's gonna be very high.... Cause nothing else is taking a bite out of the battery pie. Get 4 hours into screen time.... And Android OS lowers. Just more for some than others.... Again.... Due to what's frozen or not.

Anyway.... For those who can't get their batteries up to a point that some others have..... If you have actually trouble shooted it to death.... I'd just get another phone too. So I understand that.

But if you're playing lots of games, or haven't really tried to fix much, cause you aren't rooted or can't live without all that Moto stuff.... Or have every option on your phone on, cause that's how you like it..... I would say you're outta luck. The battery isn't that big. I'm actually amazed at my battery life considering its size... But I've done a lot to conserve battery.... Cause that's my priority.

That's just me. Everyone is different. If this phones battery life is junk for you... I doubt an N5 or much else is gonna be that much better. I'd look at G2 maybe, droid maxx... Or extended batteries with a Samsung.

K.... The end. Sorry for the novel. Lol

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
[Moto X Q&A] quasitime:
I know I called rooting "work" in my post, but I'm comfortable with the difficulty of it. The work comes from having to hold off on updates, moving around versions to get the correct root vector... it can be fun but it can also get old.

Don't get me wrong, the Moto X is slick. I think mine may be going back for uneven backlight which really shows on whites and greys; basically all my browsing. Meanwhile I'll compare it to an N5 and see how bad the N5 defects are (speaker, buttons, camera) for myself. ;)
[Moto X Q&A] mwalt2:
amoled screens don't even use a backlight, do they?
[Moto X Q&A] quasitime:
You're probably right. I don't know what to call it, other than the color temperature is warm on one side, and cool on the other.
[Moto X Q&A] UncleMike:
I haven't frozen, disabled or turned off anything other than Email, Exchange Services, Google Play Games, Messaging, and Motorola Migrate. I don't use any of these, and Exchange Services force closed a few times and I didn't want to be bothered with the messages. But I don't consider myself to be suffering battery wise at all. Prior to my most recent charge I got 36:12 off charger and 4:54 SOT.
[Moto X Q&A] :
Some don't seem to be as lucky as you. ;)

My advice is for those who ARE suffering. Some seem to be getting horrible battery life.... Compared to us.... Just trying to help.

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
[Moto X Q&A] DanRyb:
Well when the Moto X came out I had really wanted it. At the time I had an HTC One. However, I go pre-paid and just didn't want to spend so much money for the Moto X off contract. Fast forward to the N5 coming out. I got it on launch day. It really is a great phone although my phone's screen was overly yellow and the speaker was pretty poor. I "had" to flash a custom kernel to improve sound volume as well as tint the screen to a cooler appearance. While the N5 is great, nothing "WOW'ED" me honestly. I missed out on the $150 off for Moto X both times but then the Today show promo came around just before Christmas and I got in on that. I took a leap of faith and used the coupon to get a Moto X. It arrived Saturday and I honestly could NOT be happier. I think the extras like Active Display and Touchless controls are really amazing and very useful to me. Just last night I had my first text while driving and the phone woke right up, told me I had a text and ASKED me if I wanted it to read it aloud to me and then asked me if I wanted to reply. I mean, freakin' cool!!!!! lol. And the screen is perfect without a custom kernel and the sound from the speaker is surprisingly loud! I'm extremely happy. It even feels better to hold. Even though the screen is only .25 in smaller than the N5, it feels so much smaller and lighter and not in a bad way. It's only Monday but since getting the Moto X on Saturday, my N5 has been powered off and collecting dust on my desk lol. I'm definitely going to sell it.

I have noticed SOME lag in the X compared to the 5 but few and far between and not enough to irk me. On paper, the N5 definitely wins out but I think the usability of the X is so much better. It all comes down to personal preference though. Do you want the latest and greatest internals or do you want a phone with extra, unique (right now) perks like Touchless Controls and Active Notifications?
[Moto X Q&A] UncleMike:
I do feel lucky, but the real point of my post is that I don't think the battery life issues some people are having is related to the stock software, at least not by itself; if it were, the issues would be more widespread. That said, as with anything like this, no two users have the exact same circumstances. We all have different apps installed, different settings within those apps, different network conditions, and different usage patterns - all of which can contribute to varying results from one user to the next.
[Moto X Q&A] got_killed:
I am going to have to agree with you. Honestly, I think it's ridiculous to think that I have to be 'lucky' to have excellent battery life. I don't think it is the software nor do I think I should have to disable the software, which is the primary reason I bought this phone. Why disable Motorola applications if it's the reason why I bought the phone. It's silly to say the least.

I am not sure what exactly is causing this battery drain, but it's not normal, yet it's common among others with a Moto X. People reporting really good life have their stock Moto X with everything installed. I don't have Facebook, Google +, or any of the apps running in the background draining anything so it's not apps.

To clarify what I mean, GSam says I unplugged my phone 8 hrs ago and ~25% of it has drained while I was sleeping. I've only actively used it for 38 minutes.. 5% is Screen, 10% Phone radio, and last but not least, 47.3% is App Usage. You guessed it, the top 'App' with 40% is Kernel (Android OS), with Spotify at 7%.
[Moto X Q&A] :
I'm sorry.... But if guys just want the battery to be good off the hop , and yet it isn't... And you have every right to expect it to be fine out of the box.... But if it is not, and you don't want to have to try things to fix it..... Then there's really only one answer, isn't there. Return it. Otherwise you're boned, aren't you. :)

I guarantee copping attitude with people trying to help isn't going to fix any battery troubles tho. (that's to no one in particular.... But seems to be a trend)

Bad mouth the Moto x all you want after, but every phone maker has issues. I'm pretty sure 6 hours screen time is NOT the norm. I bet 4 may be. 6 hours is the guys who did stuff to make that happen. (mostly)

So yes, if you're lucky.... You won't have any problems. But Sh*t happens. With any phone maker.

I'm not disagreeing with you guys at all. If my phone was brutal out of the box.... I'd return it too. But mine wasn't, it's awesome. ;)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....

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And, held awake time? That has seemed to be the bigger issue with most.... Not just Android OS.

And again.... Again.... Android OS is highest when the phone hasn't been used much. There's no other apps draining the battery.... Right. :)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....

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Also.... Use a Samsung with all the bloat in tact. Then freeze all the bloat . You will see very different battery life. Moto x is no different.

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
[Moto X Q&A] biggiestuff:
Android OS seems to be highest on the moto X but not any of the other phones I've owned. My nexus phones weren't like that unless something was keeping the phone awake. If you get your device to sleep properly android OS should be towards the middle to bottom. I'm still working out on what on the Moto X is keeping it awake but it appears to be the moto assist/slpc service and the modem stats service. The moto x sure has more than your average location tracking apps on it. I want to figure out what those 3 extra location services are for and if there will be any issues if i disable them.
[Moto X Q&A] :
I can tell you this.... I've frozen every single Moto app in titanium backup, except active notification.... And Android OS still tops my app list. It's high early into my charge cycle... Again, cause it had no competition yet.... But after 24 plus hours and over 5 hours screen time.... Android OS still tops the list at around 14 percent or so. So unless that's all due to active notification, it's not because of any Moto apps.

I think that's just how it is on this phone. The Moto x stock must just behave this way. Comparing to other phones probably isn't fair. Because of my superb battery life, I'm not worried about Android OS topping the list anymore tho.

Also.... After a full day, I never usually have more than 55 minutes or so of held awake time. From what I've been seeing, held awake time is hurting more peoples batteries than just Android OS. But with out gsam or bbs, they don't even know they have really high held awake time.

So for my Moto X, all is well as far as I'm concerned. Again, without freezing all that Moto stuff, and Google, and other things..... I can see battery not being as good.... And held awake being higher.

A poll of battery life for non rooted, and out of the box setup Moto x's would probably give us a better idea what battery life "should " be. Out of the box with no freezing, no greenifying and location services on.... Maybe 24 hours with 6 hours screen time is not gonna happen.... Remember too screen brightness plays a huge part in screen time. Huge!!

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
[Moto X Q&A] quasitime:
Update:

I've used both phones now, but I went with the N5.

+Better screen, easier to see in sunlight (which I use a lot)

+Slightly faster

+Already on the latest update so no Exchange issues

+Fits better in my hand

+Worry free BL unlock + root

-Speakers are worse

-I miss Active Notifications

-I probably would have used Assist

-Dust may be more of a problem on the N5 near the edges of the screen.
[Moto X Q&A] SymbioticGenius:
I have had nexus 5 since 4 days after launch. MotoX the week after cyber Monday. Im keeping the X and pretty sure I'm gonna sell the nexus. My reasoning.

MotoX Developer Edition

Speakers

Form factor

Able to customize without losing features (launcher etc.)

Sound quality through headphones

Battery life slightly better stock, huge difference with mods.

Screen has an actual black

Can use the nexus 4.4.2 Email and exchange app as well as almost everything else nexus specific.

Active notifications. There's s copy app on play store but it doesn't work as well on the Nexus5

Touchless controls probably my favorite thing about the phone. I thought it would be gimmicky but it alone as completely replaced my need for an alarm app. Navigation is real easy, don't have to take my eyes off the road.

Holds on to LTE for dear life where nexus gives up and goes hspa+. Signal measured in db is similar though.

Both

Speed

Smoothened

Kit Kat

Nexus5

Screen size

Visibility in direct light

Better specs than most computers

Multitask master

Google dialer with business search

Camera is much clearer. It's the main thing I will miss from the nexus.

I just ultimately found myself reaching for the MotoX more and it hit me... These phones aren't different enough to keep them both. As of now I'm hoping for a Galaxy S5 Google Play Edition with an 8k Mah Zerolemon battery. I'd probably still keep the X but at least that would make up for its few shortcomings.

Sent from my MotoX Developer Edition
[Moto X Q&A] kolyan:
Both 4.4.2 and camera improvements should be coming soon. There was a hint we get new camera in a few weeks......we will see
[Moto X Q&A] blackhand1001:
Why not get an X with an unlockable bootloader. Even on Verizon that is an option. I love my moto x dev edition. I came from a Verizon galaxy nexus that I ran cm10.2 on.
[Moto X Q&A] cipsaz:
N5 advantages:

-Better spec

-1080p

-LCD IPS display

-Faster updates (not a big deal on the Moto X)

-Better camera

And thats it. Everything else goes to the Moto X. Clearly, a better device, IMO.

-Better ergonomics

-Better build quality

-Better call quality

-Better speaker

-Better vibration motor

-Better quality of available cases

-Better feeling in hand (could be personal)

-Active Notifications

-Touchless controls

After that being said, and at the current Moto X price, I can't image my self buying the Nexus.
[Moto X Q&A] ozg33k:
I just traded my N5 for a Moto X this morning only thing i miss is the larger screen.. =]
[Moto X Q&A] :
But now you own a Ferrari instead of a crude dodge viper. ;)
[Moto X Q&A] Solutions Etcetera:
Have you ever owned an Italian car? (c;

I'd take the Viper. But in this case I think the Moto is more like an acura or lexus; at least I hope it is.
[Moto X Q&A] Steve-x:
ewww, don't ruin my Moto X by comparing it to such cars.
[Moto X Q&A] :
You guys get my point. Lol

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And you haven't driven a viper I bet. Fast as stink...But barbaric. Lol
[Moto X Q&A] biggiestuff:
Still sticking with the n5. Screen and clarity is something I use well basically 98% of the time when using the phone. I do find myself missing some of the touch less controls. I liked the active notifications but not enough to give up the camera and screen quality and snappiness of the n5. I have both phones set up the exact same way and I can definitely see the performance difference. Its not huge but noticeable. If I had the moto x first and never used the n5 I would probably be just fine. Finally I just can't get over all my photos having the jersey shore effect. That was by far the biggest turn off for me and lack of details in the blacks, although the deep blacks are damn nice.