yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
The "minicm man" told everything. ;)

The 98% of the users see only these words: "the new android kitkat runs very well on low-end devices" but not see: the x8 is really far from the actual "low-end devices" what devices have around 400mb available ram (or more), armv7 cpu, newer fpu, thumb2, neon, at least official 4.0+ userspace drivers (for example: camera libs), newer kernels,etc, etc... :(

The x8 kitkat can be better than the ics/jb roms (what roms is basically useless for hard daily usage) but I think never can reach the performance of cm6/cm7 roms. :(

Edit: I tested cm11 on xperia ray (what have much better hardware!) it was better than the cm9/cm10.x roms, but a simple, cleared and tweaked stock 2.3 rom have better performance. :eek:

Edit 2: [MENTION=4661380]cascabel[/MENTION]: sorry to say: this is not means I will work on a new kernel. :( It means only: if anyone start to work with new kernel version, I can help a little in the debug procedure. ;)

Anyway I not use the x8 now, only 1-2 times a week (due some emotional reason :D:D:D). In the last months I changed my phone several times. :D The first step was an xperia arc s, later I changed it to a ray (my wife grabbed it, and impossible to get back :(), I bought a jiayu g2s (good phone but something missing), later I got an xperia z (it was a special offer) from my operator, but it was really big for me, finally I sold the z and now I'm a happy blackberry z10 owner... :D (not need to say: I know, I'm a traitor who left the android world... :eek: )
[XPERIA X8 General] Sir Roven:
Hi,

Obs: NAa and Pilu good see you these ways :)

Maybe it's a great effort and a surprise not as expected but from my point of view I agree with you CM11 and CM10 is better than if we get our gold X8 KitKat is its amazing work and we know it will never be like CM7 roms but will be much better than our CM10 and CM11 if the devs bring certainty to be a big surprise, I own I provide me help with anything you need may be can help or not. But i have hope in the black hole xD
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
we are doing it just for fun and to learn how to build rom's from source..

but if you think it's pointless so who am i to argue with one of the greatest DEV i ever saw in xda

so for now i'm going to focus on kernel(3.**) porting, it will be nice to know if you think that it's going to help this device in term of performance..
[XPERIA X8 General] TeamMex:
Sure, you're quite right, and your point is very clear, given the limitation of ram and processor.

But not hurt to try and see what will come of all this.

Sure is a long and tedious job because the official libraries remained stuck in eclair

PS: Good to see you over here

Yep xperia x8 not in low devices xD more down x_x

x8 not suport some thumbs needed to propper work on kitkat x_x I skipped some of them in the source code but eventually finished using some of the code from team ARMV6

you use Z10 xD im pased on XPERIA U, tipo,GO and now use iPhone D: im traitor too but I have NEXUS 7 2012 :D

lol xD hope to achieve at least part of my desire to see a kitkat phone, for now I have it on my tablet Nexus 7, but strange to see him on a mobile.
[XPERIA X8 General] TodorSRB:
I agree, but if it could run JB(which required 1GB ram), I think it could run KitKat with no probs...

But guys....I have bad news :(

I was working on KitKat in my free time and I was working on my laptop which is Lenovo R61 model from 2006. and it died a week ago, the motherboard, i took the hard drive out, I'm gathering money for new PC or Laptop, I just went to internet cafe to check the thread and write this, sorry for this :(
[XPERIA X8 General] Cancar96:
You cracked me up! Hope you get it fixed soon.

Zasto si ne slozis komp neki,laptop ti i nije nesto produktivan u ovom biznisu.
[XPERIA X8 General] ElmirBuljubasic:
Have you activated low ram mode in xperia ray? (Less ram usage, more multitasking)
[XPERIA X8 General] cascabel:
Imho, art is the best feature of kk. Unfortunately, x8 won't be able to take advantage of it. Just an opinion.
[XPERIA X8 General] iks8:
@up he mean low ram mode which can be turned on via build.prop line, art is something different and even if we will get kit kat on x8 it won't work because it's need bigger cache partition.
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
I tested the cm11 on the ray only a really short time, without any tweaks or long play with the settings. After 5 minutes I made two conclusion:

1. Significant better than ics and better than jb. :)

2. I think not reach the performance of gb. :(

The incredible memory usage problems appeared in api level 14 (ics), it wasn't problem in earlier api levels (up to api level 10, I not have knowledge about the honeycombs (api level 11-13) memory usage).

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Theoretically the art can give much better performance. :) But I not have any experience with this (yet). ;)

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If the art will not work on the x8, the reason will be not the small cache partition, because we can set the partition sizes (or if we can't find other solution, we can use a dedicated partition on the sdcard as cache partition). :)
[XPERIA X8 General] Devhost97:
If you really tried KitKat ported to Xperia X8 and we do not cheated it proposes to set up your account PayPayl where donors will could you transfer money to repair your laptop so you can continue working on KK. Certainly some willing to help you to find!
[XPERIA X8 General] ElmirBuljubasic:
If i use GB rom o KK i have same ammount of free ram (at least on my phone kitkat is the best(i'm not using x8 anymore))

Art sucks.. it takes more ram, more time to boot, more time to install apps and for what? Faster opening apps? Stay with dalvik
[XPERIA X8 General] iks8:
In mini/lww/mini pro etc. kitkat thread there is note that cache partition for art need to be ~150 mb so then we can get like 50-60mb for data xD. About cache on sd - I haven't heard about something before so maybe this can give us running art but who knows.

On my gtab 2 I really don't feel any much difference beetwen art and dalvik. Anyway I haven't got any issues on art so I left this turned on art. In RAM menagment there is a huge difference, really. Multitasking feels like it works 50% or 100% better than on 4.2.2 or 4.3 without lowramconfig (btw this mode is turned off by default on 2011 xperias:

this is from alpha 2 changelog). Anyway who knows how can it run on x8? I still got a little hope that one day I'll see kitkat on my little x8 - even if 90% of things won't work - just for fun :D
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
On my phone the best is the BBOS 10.2 ;)

Sorry to say: the qnx based blackberry have much more power than my dragonboard with android :(

The blackberry z10 and the dragonboard have the same dual-core krait cpu and adreno 225.

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At this moment the art is only an experimental stuff. The old dalvik engine need a more modern replacement, but it need really lot of work... Maybe we can see the real power of art in android 4.5, 5.0 or 17.3... :p
[XPERIA X8 General] iks8:
Android went wrong way with ics and jelly bean - exacly as microsoft with Windows Vista. Now they trying to fix that with Kitkat as Microsoft has done with Windows 7.
[XPERIA X8 General] RedPandaFox:
Looking forward to see if this eventuates. I have an X8 im looking at using for some cool projects and getting a bit of better performance over the bloated 4.1.2 rom will be awesome.

I hope to run the Google Glass firmware on it over Kit Kat
[XPERIA X8 General] rafavc:
Thanks

Thanks Muchas gracias
[XPERIA X8 General] Groot:
Wrong, ART gives MORE performace not only on the opening of apps, but also, faster boot, and it does not take more ram, from what I've read, it would boost your phone at the cost of internal memory not the ram and take note, ART is a WIP.

Sent from my E151
[XPERIA X8 General] matyrock:
Now you will talk about your personal life? Your posts are not needed by developers. Yeah, I'm not a developer, but it's true.

Post in English !
[XPERIA X8 General] cascabel:
And which part of your post is dev-related? If you read the whole post, you'd see the first part is dev-related and the part you chose to quote is a response to another post - he was merely answering. Also, this is in general section.
[XPERIA X8 General] CtrlAltDelIrl:
And Pilu is a respected member here who has made very valuable contributions, unlike yourself.
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
No, I not want to talk about my private life. ;) The part what you quoted from my post is NOT development related, this is true. :) BUT it was a small note after other things what was related to the original title of the thread. :cool: If you want to start spamming, read the WHOLE post, and do not quote only a PART from the whole post (what you not like). :p

Anyway this is a general thread, not development. ;) At this time now we talking about a theoretical development (because the thread not contains any real content yet).

And a little note: as I know only two member working on the cm11 project: TeamMex with the rom side and me with the kernel side ;)

Go back to the thread: [MENTION=4403780]TeamMex[/MENTION]: any news about the rom building progress? :) The stuffs for the rs232 cable is arrived. ;)
[XPERIA X8 General] Pablo1994:
so somebody sent you to the You are a noob on xda-developers video, you decided to read the rules and now you pretend to be the super moderator just to get thanks, OMG you're my new Messiah hahaha
[XPERIA X8 General] john_cena163:
u sound like a [MENTION=237736]SS[/MENTION] (facepalm) every1 has the right to type in his own prefered language in the general fourm
[XPERIA X8 General] matyrock:
I read the entire thread ;) And sorry, I did not realize it was the general section :) And I'm not spamming :) If I'm doing spam, all are doing spam :)

I have not done much contributions here, but elsewhere other, and for me that is important.

And you are ? I'd readed rules ;) I'm not posting to get more Thanks :) I'm posting here to be no unnecessary messages ;) I don't want to be a 'super moderator', I want to be a user :) Not like you ;) And you are ready to go to a festival of laughter ;) very funny :fingers-crossed:

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Entoces escribo en mi idioma aweonao conchetumare :)

See annoying? Is needed to post in English...
[XPERIA X8 General] FedeeManchiini:
OFF: Me hiciste Reir... xD

KK in x8 may be possible, but hard work is needed. What we all know, New Kernel, New Devs. If only teammex and pilu complete the work, needs a good reward. ;)

I do not have enough Skills to assist in the development, but try any alpha to help resolve bugs.

Sorry for my bad english.
[XPERIA X8 General] TeamMex:
I'm having some problems with syslog.c :/ I don't know how to fix them but compilation

will progressing well towards the end =)

cheers.
[XPERIA X8 General] john_cena163:
not annoyng.. u dnt understand the language.. u cn use translator... so b cool...

back to the topic if devs wana test kitkat rom or kernal n future... ur wc to pm me.. coz im free foe more 6 months :P keep the good work deves
[XPERIA X8 General] Sir Roven:
Awesome work TeamMex maybe anyone can help you on that problem. :)
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
Try to consult with yajnab, he built working cm11 for various msm7x27 samsung devices (gio, ace, mini, fit). :)
[XPERIA X8 General] matyrock:
Jajaja estaba trolleandolo xD

Back to the topic, I know what much people has been updated their Xperia X8 to a better phone (as I), but I know what you (devs) want to get more experience as an developer, and I congratulate you for that, and I wish them luck with the project. I'm very eager to test it. :D
[XPERIA X8 General] Sir Roven:
How going the recovery?
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
Unfortunatelly looks like we really need new recovery (at least cwm 6.0.4.x or twrp 2.6.x) due the selinux contents. And we need to patch the yaffs2 filesystem or need to use ext4 on the internal partitions due the same reason (the used yaffs2 fs not handle the extended attributes what required for selinux).

Anyway these things is not big problems. ;)
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
if it's not a big problems.. maybe you can tell me how ?

BTW this is the patch you talked about ? https://github.com/androidarmv6/and...mmit/f0b87e487b1e8c2ce76f6130cdd7d08b74a7e7a8
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
OFF:

As you wrote earlier:

So, you not need to know what required for these things, you have the knowledge... ;)

ON:

Yes, the commit looks like good, the xattr extension the required stuff for the yaffs2 fs.

About the recovery:

For the twrp recovery the configs ready (can't test it because now I not have the cm11 source). Not examined yet what required for cwm 6.0.4+ but I think not need tons of works (like the twrp what required only few code changes and a correct twrp config to work on x8).
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
I already patched my kernel just wanted to be sure that we are talking about the same one.. and yes I've booted the lg-p500 kitkat on my xperia x8 but I'm sure that I did something wrong with the recovery , the rom is booting up and as soon as the OS is up the device stuck and that way I want your help but only with the recovery.
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
i finished compiling the 3.08 kernel for xperia x8 but i have this error that i hope anyone can help me fix - this is the kernel source code that I'm trying to port - https://github.com/nobodyAtall/msm7x30-3.0.x-nAa
[XPERIA X8 General] littlerabbit506:
May I join your development too
[XPERIA X8 General] faqihul:
wow...you can do it...?

X8 bite a kitkat......
[XPERIA X8 General] littlerabbit506:
I mean I am interesting in devloping that...:cowboy:
[XPERIA X8 General] matyrock:
I feel very defeated by what you tell me. ;)
[XPERIA X8 General] 1010kuser:
how to install this rom?

in the recovery mod?

no have additional note?
[XPERIA X8 General] uremytoy:
There is no rom yet. U obviously havent ready a single post from that topić. To devs i wish u Best luck and sorry for ot. My sis havent my x8 nów but still IT world be great. If u did that :)

Wysłane z mojego Xperia L przy użyciu Tapatalka
[XPERIA X8 General] CtrlAltDelIrl:
You have 32 posts now and not one of them useful. Are you just here to annoy people and fill threads with off-topic posts?

Post useful information or don't post at all.
[XPERIA X8 General] matyrock:
Or what? I'm not annoying to the people, I'm saying my true, and open up people's eyes. ;)

If you don't want to I post in a thread like this, create an thread on Developer section, not in General. ;)
[XPERIA X8 General] hachiro akira:
Can you create rom ligux with cm10 for x8...this rom is awesome bro...

Taken from Samsung Galaxy S4
[XPERIA X8 General] daniLaLaLaLaLa:
*salute* , hope someday kitkat will be on X8 and the alpha build of it comes from your works ;)
[XPERIA X8 General] Sir Roven:
Any news kernel or ROM?
[XPERIA X8 General] Groot:
Should i call you the most recognized nuisance then? I've been reading your posts in this thread and your posts in general but all of them are annoying. Congratulations for earning that reputation then.

On topic, good to see you guys working hard for our device, just tell me if you need any help, i could be a tester ;)

Sent from my E151
[XPERIA X8 General] Sir Roven:
Any news people?
[XPERIA X8 General] hachiro akira:
I have a question this cusrom great for gaming and multitasking performance anybody else?

Taken from Samsung Galaxy S5
[XPERIA X8 General] zodex:
MiniCM7 :P

For port cm11 to x8 u can use Androidarmv6 sources :P
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
[MENTION=4403780]TeamMex[/MENTION] did you managed to get passed this error?

bionic/libc/include/string.h:108: error: undefined reference to '__memcpy_chk'
[XPERIA X8 General] TeamMex:
you add MSM of X8 board?

Try to make IT with GCC 4.7

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Hey if you need the source send me pm

=) you can try to use my source
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
yes I did

what about that?

did you managed to get passed this error?

bionic/libc/include/string.h:108: error: undefined reference to '__memcpy_chk'
[XPERIA X8 General] TeamMex:
uhmm i don't remember how

but yes.
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
Please remember...I want to finish the completion and its one of the last problem I have
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
ok so i've managed to get passed all the error and first build(don't know if it's booting or what working)will be here today for the DEV's to test and find what and how to fix the problems .
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
logcat from first booting attempt
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
2nd try
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
now we are getting somewhere ?
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
look like i'm the only one working on it .. it's hard to work alone so please anyone come and join me ..
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
A little bit hard to help without anything what we can examine. :)

Used kernel, device config, used rom source, etc?

The logcats can be very useful for the dev who have the sources, and can examine the problems in the logcat, but hard to do anything if we only see the logcat errors without any real content. ;)
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
i'm using this https://github.com/androidarmv6

and my kernel with edited RAMDISK
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
Man, too hard to give concrete informations? :confused:

The androidarmv6 repos not contains real cm11 device config for the x8 (sorry if I'm wrong, not checked in the last weeks), and the "my kernel with modded ramdisk" tell nothing about the used kernel... :confused:
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
I've used nAa cm10 device config and changed things to make it work with cm11

here you can see https://github.com/XPerience-x8

about the ramdisk I've changed the bootclasspath to match the cm11 bootclasspath

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@pilu1978 are you on facebook or goggle+?

it's hard to talk here like a real human been
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
Of course: I'm NOT on facebook! :p (the most idiot thing on the world :silly:)

I'm available on the Blackberry network. ;)

And also available on astra (the trillian network) and theoretically available on google too (but sometime I'm not read the messages when I'm too busy due the real work, unfortunately this is happening too much times)

Anyway I'm not interested in the cm11 rom building. :( I have work in progress kernel for cm11 (in early state), but at this moment this is paused (not have free time).

After a quick check of the posted logcats (I was too lasy to read the whole, so maybe these ideas is really stupid):

- maybe a SELinux problem (incredible amount of security errors related to the certificates)?

- wrong/corrupt bionic (too much errors when the system calls native binaries)

- where is the missing files? The logcats contains errors due the missing binaries (what compilable for armv6, check the working cm11 roms for the samsung msm7x27 line, these roms have the missing binaries)
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
i agree about the FaceBook stupid thing ever!!!

i know about the missing libs but this was fixed on the secound logcat..

can you upload your early kernel? i need 100% corrected ramdisk for kernel 2.6.32..
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
At this moment the kernel not boot. :(

This is the CM11 .35 kernel for the samsung msm7x27 line. Theoretically added all delta board specific thing, the compiling finished.

I soldered the wires into the x8 and have all parts for the rs232 cable, but I'm too lazy to assemble it and debug the kernel. :(

Anyway, the samsung .35 kernel not have extreme changes, so a selinux enabled .32 kernel can work with correct ramdisk. :)
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
first of all if you want i can take your work on .35 kernel and make it bootup

now if you have corrected ramdisk it will be nice :)
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
[MENTION=4163764]pilu1978[/MENTION] hey!!

do you know how to unpack the 4.1.cpio and after some changes repack it into .cpio ? nAa uses this compressed file inside his ramdisk and i just need this and then first ever cm10.2 build will be released for everyone.
[XPERIA X8 General] CKKnot:
Is it this one? GNU Tutorial - cpio
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
i think it is , thank you :)
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
The problem with cpio solved with the posted tutorial? :)

Anyway I not understand the question... :o

What is 4.1.cpio, and what used by nAa?

All kernel use the ramdisk with .cpio.xyz format (where xyz means the used compressor format what can be various: gzip, lzo, lz4, bz2, lzma, xz or any other if you have decompressor code in the kernel).
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
the tutorial helped a alot ... now the real big problem is sdcard not working with cm10.2 (almost everything works )

with cm10.1 google changed things and now we need to use fuse tool but i don''t really know if kernel 2.6.32 support that and if it is how i can make it work ..

here you can read about it http://source.android.com/devices/tech/storage/index.html
[XPERIA X8 General] pilu1978:
The fuse working with .32 :)

Upload the rom, next week I will check the kernel, now I not have free time to play with fuse.

Earlier Daveee10 played with cm10.2 but the sdcard not worked (and now he is unavailable)
[XPERIA X8 General] afi1982:
Daveee10 played with cm10.1 from what i can see on his github , i wil upload the ROM today and please test it and let me know what we can do to fix this problem .
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nish983:
anyone???
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rechargelegend:
Yes. I have one.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrDee:
Yes I have one.

They are officially being sold by Vodafone New Zealand.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MasterMerlin:
Me too.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] banerbocken:
Got one

I have one. Gone from Note 2. Hope to se som developement for this nice device..
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wyss84:
Just got one, Singtel Singapore has retired the I9505, waiting for the custom rom eagerly now.... ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xenix96:
okay cant sleep.... so i post something ;D

Coming from Note 2 to this nice device S4 I9506 .

OP maybe you should make Pool for this.

And since this thread is not for dev it will soon moved by mods to question section

Cheers :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DeHAWK:
Me 2...Fully rooted and all counters zero/official. Not locked to any carrier here in Scandinavia.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sheesha_straw:
I have one, but I own the E330S variant from SK Telecom, it's just so smooth since I just switch from the international Note 2 N7100

Can't wait to see the Dev's working on this awesome beast of a device

So far, I'm still content with the standard ROM, although it's packed with the Korean carrier's bloatware..

Just now I see in SamMobile there's already the 4.3 update for the SHV-E330S, but I'm still waiting from you guys for news concerning the development of this device...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slimshouki:
Dear Xenix,

I cant find this phone anywhere, do u recommend specific store or eBay user?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xenix96:
you can get it on amazon for sure

cheers :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slimshouki:
Very expensive on amazon, do u know alternative?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sly955i:
Are they much different to GT-i9505, is it worth upgrading

Sent from my Gt-i9505
[Moto X Q&A] mcredelle:
I purchased the moto x with the cyber monday deal, and am transferring from my galaxy nexus. Is there a way to move app data (mostly game stuff) without root? Helium claims it doesn't work on motorola phones. I did a quick search of the play store and didn't see any obvious apps that could back up app data without root.

Thanks in advance