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[Asus Transformer TF700] wollac11:
Hi guys, I am afraid I bear bad news :(. In a recent email exchange I had with Asus support I asked about updates to the TF700. They said the following:

This seems to suggest we will not get KitKat 4.4 but we may get another firmware update. This would possibly still be based on 4.2.1 with just some bug fixes specific to the TF700 or it could possibly be based on 4.3. However they don't have a release date for this yet.

I know this won't be entirely unexpected news for some people but rather a confirmation of what many of us already feared would be the case. It is indeed a shame given the TF700 is really not that old.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Felborn:
Good to know, Asus won't be getting my money again any time soon, looking at the Samsung note 10.1 to replace this apparently old machine
[Asus Transformer TF700] huy_lonewolf:
Thanks for sharing the information, and I would appreciate your help in clarifying a few points regarding your email exchange with ASUS. I am not trying to be nitpicking here, but your quoted email does leave me with one question and a comment:

1. Question: was this person a customer representative of ASUS UK (I got it from your profile location)? As far as I know, the R&D Department of ASUS is in Taiwan, and I highly doubt that ASUS UK has close communication with its Taiwan counterpart. Moreover, given my past experience, customer support usually doesn't have much technical knowledge to answer questions about stuff like OTA updates, bootloader unlocking, etc...

2. Comment: The way the quoted email was written is really weird. What is meant by "revert the OS to KitKat 4 Android"? "Revert to" means returning to a former state, which doesn't make sense when you talk about a future update. And what is "KitKat 4 Android"? I am sure that is not the way most people refer to Android 4.4 KitKat. And lastly, "awaiting extra information OF our R&D department" sounds odd, shouldn't it be "awaiting extra information FROM our R&D department"?

Personally, whenever I receive emails with such mistakes, I instantly question the sender's professionalism and credibility.
[Asus Transformer TF700] wollac11:
The initial email was sent using the form on the Asus UK support page, although I do not think the representative who responded was necessarily based in the UK. They had an Asian name and judging from the way the email was written, I think that English is probably not their first language. The reply email was not UK specific either (techsupport@asus.com). The guy could actually have been based in Taiwan for all I know.

I think this guy is probably quite reliable as he seemed fairly knowledgeable when dealing with my other queries / complaints but yes he is just a customer support rep so there is a possibility of what he said not being 100% accurate. Still, I think it is the closest to an official word on the matter that we have had so far and seems pretty plausible.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Best way to get any respect on tablet updates is to Go Nexus.

I'm just waiting for the Nexus 10 2. Which will probably release in days if not a couple months at longest.

There are plenty of 3rd party keyboards and cases for 10” tablets, such as the Nexus 10. Which make them function and even look just like our TF700T.

I used to think of the Transformer line as unique. But if you look around. You'll find there's really nothing so special to the Transformer line. Now that 3rd parties have given other tablets, especially Nexus tablets. Every feature that seemed special about the Transformer line.
[Asus Transformer TF700] king231:
This is what asus replied me when I asked them about the KitKat update.

Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.

My name is Myra and it's my pleasure to help you with your problem.

We apologize for the delayed response due to the weekend.

Hi, we're very glad to help you. For this issue, now we are try our best to, and at this time we are unable to set a date for its release. Please stay tuned for more news on our support website. Thanks for your understanding.

If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please do not hesitate to let us know. We will be more than happy to assist you.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks for your understanding!

Have a nice day!
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
MicroSD slot? Battery in keyboard dock? USB port?
[Asus Transformer TF700] sparksd:
I gave up on waiting on updates to 4.3 or KK - this last week I finally bit the bullet and flashed CROMI-x. Painful process in that it took days to be successful in unlocking the bootloader - literally took dozens of tries before the tool finally worked. After that, all else was straightforward. I wasn't having any particular performance issues; rather, I got fed up with the random reboots that seem to occur at least once/day. Hopefully, that will improve with CROMI-x.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Darnell_Chat_TN:
USB On the Go allows for storage expansion and addresses USB. And the fact the MicroSD storage is not utilized like in the pre-Android 4.0 days, means the MicroSD storage is not well leveraged when running stock. Far as charging, if this works with the Nexus 10 2, that would put Asus behind on that one.

I'm talking keyboards, but if such things interest you like MicroSD and a battery in the dock. You may continue with it and all the issues built into the TF700T. For me, I'm going to take the Nexus 10 2 off ramp.

Edit: I want to add, _that you have helped make the TF700T a better device and I do thank you for your efforts. Even running your kernel now ;) .

I was not having performance issues early on. But the more I used it and the more I added, I found it slowing up big time. While my loaded up phone was having no issues at all. This is when I realized the talk about the slow storage on the TF700T is a big problem. That's when I moved to CROMI-x. It is better than stock, but the storage issue can only best be overcome by using ROM2SD with CROMI-x. (You need a very fast MicroSD.) That does help the most, but still, it's all patches around a big issue. And a tablet that has things right to begin with would run better.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sparksd:
I've had mine over a year and never ran into any real performance problems. While never as snappy as my 2012 & 2013 Nexus 7's or Galaxy S3, it was much better than my Xoom - I didn't see the severe issues that others have. But the random reboots (most occurred when just "idling", not during app use) were just maddening and made the tablet undependable in my mind. I haven't noticed any performance differences with CROMI-x yet but I'm really hoping that it is now more stable.
[Asus Transformer TF700] flhthemi:
Tell me I'm wrong...isn't the Nexus made by Asus? Or am I thinking that just cause I'm old and senile?
[Asus Transformer TF700] sparksd:
Indeed, they are. Very different animals, though.
[Asus Transformer TF700] krispy521:
The 7 inch Nexus are made by Asus and the 10 inch was made by Samsung.
[Asus Transformer TF700] DarsVaeda:
I tried messaging Gary but I did not have high hopes as the account is dead for so long.

Does anyone know a new contact? Maybe they could say something more reliable about update policy regarding the TF700...
[Asus Transformer TF700] fortunz:
And a hinge. Mine stays docked almost all the time. I get clamshell protection and a handy portable package. Once you start trying to replicate the other features using accessories with other tabs, you get a bulky mess of stuff that you couldn't pay me to carry around.

Not that I'm exactly loving Asus these days, but the transformer certainly was special when I got it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] huy_lonewolf:
I totally agree with you. That is the main reason why I still hold on to the TF700 and not get the new Padfone Infinity ( the new Padfone has a Snapdragon 800, 1080p screen, fast internal storage, microSD support with performance that obliterates almost everything else). The only thing holding me back is the keyboard dock, without which the tablet experience is simply incomplete (in my opinion of course). If ASUS manages to bring the dock to the next Padfone and achieve decent size and weight, I will gladly make ASUS my go-to brand for all computing needs.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nvan7891:
:( ...that's a shame.

I have kitkat on my phone, it's pretty nice so far.

So... Anyone else shopping around for an upgrade this holiday season? I was looking at the tf701, but If it's going to have the same lack of development (I truly appreciate the hard work our few, but amazing, devs have put in), then I'd rather go for one of the new waterproof xperias or a galaxy tab. Haven't really looked into the various options yet.. I was excited when we got cm, and especially a pac-rom port, but every time I gave them a try, they just seemed a bit off. Like they were unfinished and obviously made for a phone. Maybe cromi just spoiled me. :shrug:

This tablet has been good to me, though. I got a micro-hdmi to hdmi cable, so maybe I'll use it as a media hub or something... If the native Linux on our device had more development behind it, and was just a tad more stable and compatible, I wouldn't really be looking into a replacement. Definitely not planning on getting rid of it. If I can find the time maybe I'll use it to delve deeper into learning how to develop myself.

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Yes, that will in fact improve. I forgot about that stock issue... Jeeze, that was the

worst

, so annoying.
[Asus Transformer TF700] awilson77584:
I can't imagine a vendor ever matching the features and capabilities the ROM development community adds. I like that Asus offers a way to unlock the bootloader. Samsung would rather that you don't. In the year I've had this, there have been multiple firmware releases. For a minute, cromi was changing every other day. There is a new device they have to sell now. I'm happy. 5.2.2, btw is amazing! Cheers
[Asus Transformer TF700] nickelfritz9:
other ways

if your worried about it unlock and put a custom rom on it like cmbroms thats going to have kk anyday know it will come
[Asus Transformer TF700] R_McNeely:
well I was hoping for Kit Kat too... seeing as its optimized for lower RAM devices I was thinking it would really help out stock. Its definitely time to flash now. My only question is if anyone knows if they're working on a Kit Kat version of CROMi???
[Asus Transformer TF700] flhthemi:
Good luck with the unlocker app from Asus...it won't work on mine and Asus refuses to assist.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
I can't work on a version of KitKat CROMi unless Asus release a version first. This is unlikely :(
[Asus Transformer TF700] berndblb:
CROMI always was and most likely always will be based on whatever Asus rom is the latest release for this tablet.

What I don't get is: What could KitKat bring in terms of improvement???? This tab on CROMi-X runs like a dream!! I couldn't care less if Asus never releases another update. I wouldn't touch it anyway unless it's worked over by sbdags...

But there most likely will be CM roms based on Kit Kat for this tablet.

Personally I run whatever works best - and I don't care if that rom is based on ICS, JB or KitKat.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Perhaps KitKat would ensure things run even better, given what it is optimized for.

I have KitKat on my HTC One and it's one of the reasons I'm getting a Nexus 10 2 once it drops. I love the work sbdags and _that have done. But I'm just tired of dealing with the way "Asus" does things when it's not a Nexus device. I also have a Nexus 7 2013. And although the Nexus 7 2013 is no spec powerhouse, it runs like a dream compared to my TF700T. And that's with the TF700T running ROM2SD, no disrespect at all intended to our great XDA Devs. They've done all that can be done with what is available. My TF700T blows my stock and locked Nexus 7 2013 out the water in benchmark tests. But in actual usage, the Nexus 7 2013 is clearly smoother, faster and better for every task. I'm not really a 7" fan. So I need a 10" that will do better and not be tied to whenever "Asus" decides I should have something. And a device that is less a hassle to unlock when desired. A KitKat update for the TF700T would give folks like sbdags and _that improvements for us to enjoy, likely also in performance.

Some nice things about KitKat:

ART Runtime option

Immersive Mode

Faster multitasking, as already mentioned for lower RAM devices.

More print tools

Easier access to cloud storage when managing files an app.

New Quickoffice

Chromecast support

Chrome web view

Closed captioning

The Email app is nicer

Full-screen wallpapers with preview

Low-power audio playback

Secure app sandboxes

(Phones only, I mention because I really like it on my HTC One, smart caller ID)

(On phones, search for a number also does a web search for nearby businesses. And any found can be easily added to the phone contacts.)
[Asus Transformer TF700] ishamm:
Could you transfer any of the modifications to cm11 if kitkat isn't coming from Asus?
[Asus Transformer TF700] geniv:
iMHO at this point after discovering and rooting and install CROMI-X 5.2.3 I really don't care if asus brings any kitkat updates.

for trim use LagFix.

cromi and the community rom is so much better stock that I doubt asus will ever match it. and their own rom update is not that great either with people complaing aobut bugs.

I think the cromi thread/forum offer better support from the ommunity.

the capabilities of custom rom and cromi that enables will NEVER be enable/allowed by Asus

- resolution change

- remove all asus bloatware

- root access

- kernel change

- over clocking

- entire system backups

and the list goes on and on. . ..
[Asus Transformer TF700] huy_lonewolf:
FYI, ASUS has announced the first device to receive the 4.4 update: original Padfone Infinity in Q1 2014 and Q2 2014 for the new Padfone Infinity. In the unlikely event that ASUS decides to update our tf700, my guess is that it won't happen during the next six months. Personally, I was super excited about KitKat because of the reduced memory footprint, which I thought would make perfect sense on our tf700, but obviously updating old devices is not ASUS' priority.

I wholeheartedly agree that ASUS' software sucks, but ASUS always has some future product that gets me excited enough to forget its past failure. For instance,in a recent interview with Engadget, ASUS CEO Jerry Shen indicated that ASUS would bring the keyboard dock to the next Padfone (together with a launch in the US, probably a global launch as well) while still achieving a thin and light profile in Q2 2014. If ASUS is really able to deliver that, there will be no need for the Transformer line at all. Obviously, the current commercial focus of ASUS is the Padfone line, and I can easily forgive ASUS for not updating my tf700 IF they make the next Padfone the convergence of the Padfone and Transformer line.
[Asus Transformer TF700] geniv:
seems like the big draw of kitkat (though i didn't reasearch or look at it too much) is

- lower memeory footprint

- trim

both of which is addressed in custom roms (at least the cromi-x I've used)

- built in lagfix to trim

- remove all those asus bloatware and ability to disable stuff I have no use for. so its about 100megs shaved off my memory usage.

I would suggest people just root do custom rom instead of waiting from official asus update.

I was stupid to deal with the horrible aus laggy rom for a year and finally rooted/romed and so happy. not looking aback
[Asus Transformer TF700] ShadowLea:
It's too early to speculate wether or not Asus will release KitKat for the TF700.

The only devices that have it so far are the Nexus devices, which Google controls the updates for. Everything else isn't going to get it until at least Februari 2014, and that's the newest flagship devices from Samsung, HTC and LG...

The TF700 is from July 2012, which means it's 18 months old. Google stops supporting devices after 18 months, they always have. If we do get it, it'll be somewhere near Q3 2014.

I'm fresh out of money after buying a Note 3 and EOS 70D, but if I do get a new tablet I'm eyeing the new Note 10.1. I'll absolutely miss the keyboard and USB, but the Spen is a delight to work with...
[Asus Transformer TF700] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Google Edition devices have KitKat too. And the OEMs play a big role regarding when those updates are released. Rocking it on my HTC One. HTC is about the fastest and most open about updates, of any OEM I know.

I think you just helped speculate why the TF700T won't be seeing KitKat, over 18 months. The Galaxy Nexus is not getting it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Gudders:
I wish HTC were better as I have a one x+ and it's the forgotten phone! However it does run really well on 4.2 sense 5 so I'm not fussed, not sure what benefit I would get. I can't think of anything that excites me about 4.3 or 4.4. As long as my device works well. One thing I would love is to be able to read my phones storage via USB on my tablet!

I'm waiting to see any official word from Asus before I unlock. Meanwhile I'm spending my time researching the steps to get onto cromi-x properly. Seems easy enough, compared to the stuff I had to do with my htc hd2 anyway!
[Asus Transformer TF700] Darnell_Chat_TN:
There probably won't be any "word" at all. I mean, Asus probably won't say anything either way.
[Asus Transformer TF700] the_game_master:
I hope that's the 2014 edition because SAMSUNG hasn't even brought at least Android 4.2 to the 2012 Note 10.1 yet.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Darnell_Chat_TN:
The Nexus 10 2 is likely going to be made by Samsung. I plan to be at the front of the line.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Gudders:
Which is a real shame as it would be nice to know that they were even trying to bring us 4.3 or 4.4, even if they had to cut off development at a later stage. However I can see why that would cause a problem with ppl complaining.... I honestly can't think of a way they can win with it.

Interestingly I have had a go on my folks new 2013 N7 on 4.4.2. It's quite slick but I still managed to get a stutter or two out of it. I can't say that I was blown away by anything it did.

The next thing I'm looking forward to is better chromecast/multimcast device/support.
[Asus Transformer TF700] lucius.zen:
i really hope samsung isnt making the nexus 10, i despise their hardware, their design, and how they operate as a company. id much rather have asus make it. even if we dont get 4.4 for our tf700 asus has rolled out a ton of fw updates since the tf700 was realeased. besides, i can take care of the sw. id trade all of samsungs tablets for the tf700.
[Asus Transformer TF700] dylanear:
Yep. The 8" Samsung Tab I got my mom around the same time as my tf700 only got an update or two around the same time Asus was updating the tf700 and they stopped on 4.1 something I believe. That Tab does run pretty well, but I‘m not sure Samsung makes sure they update all their devices any better than Asus. LG lost my Android business entirely, probably forever, after the G2x (phone) NEVER worked well. Worst android device EVER. Slick and fast, unstable as hell, and would drop calls CONSTANTLY. They kept saying "the issues will be resolved by an update", but they only released a small gingerbread update that did nothing, never released ICS for it.

Really the whole thing is sad. The Nexus line helps, but there is too little choice of hardware. I will never buy devices without SD and USB if I have any decent choices. I think there should be a massive program to bring many more devices into the Google Play Edition program. I'm running a GPE ROM on my Galaxy S4 and LOVE it.

But Asus, if you supported your motherboards this poorly, I‘d never buy another and my faith in the company has been shaken. I was very excited to get a high spec device from a company I‘ve trusted for years. Now? Not so sure. The value of used tf700s has seemed to drop a lot. Otherwise I'd be inclined to sell and buy something else. And while it looks very nice, it won‘t be a tf701 out of principal. Hell, if Asus made good on the tf700 4.4 or even 4.3, i might just go and get a 701! But not until. Just have the respect for your customers to at least post your intentions and an ETA schedule.
[Asus Transformer TF700] brecklundin:
A ton? I got ONE which was to 4.2.1....But all I ever use my tf700 go anymore is video...since buying my Samsung Note 8. Thing is the tf700 is still a very useful device for me.

It's that I haven't even owned it a year and it's EOL'd ....that's the cell phone biz model and I sense Google has promised not to cook generic versions to aid good developers like here at XDA. But many app development also quickly abandon 'old' versions of Shamdroid. Most of what we see is done by the design of how Google sees the best way to block mobile OS competition, promise no legacy support to device mfg's . That is a typical marketing scam. Best we can do is support the small dev's efforts. As long as Google gets away with it MS will play by the same 'rules'. Life as a subscription is complete and people are fully corporate ATM's from birth now.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
I reckon Asus rolled out at least 10 updates for the TF700T. You obviously haven't been keeping up ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] sjdavies47:
Sorry if this is answered somewhere else (the info on this is slighty overwhelming). Is there a list of kitkat roms for the tf700? Are there plans for cromix to move to 4.4?
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
I can't move CROMi-X to 4.4 unless Asus release it first ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Asus does have a KitKat update for the TF700, it's called the TF701 :sly::D:)
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
Yes I have one ;) But it's tegra 4 so no use to us ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] berndblb:
Check the development section. Everything with 4.4 in it is KitKat. CM 11 and Omni are out, don't think Paranoid is past 4.3
[Asus Transformer TF700] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Oh, I was not attempting to imply you transfer the ROM. Rather, those who want KitKat will need to buy a TF701 ;) .

You know I'm just waiting for the Nexus 10 2 launch this week. That's how I'll get my KitKat :) .

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That is an "unofficial" option, but still an available option. Those seem to have noticable bugs though.

Have you tried any of them and if so how do they perform in comparison?
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
I was waiting for the Nexus 10 2 but google seemed to be taking too long. The price of the TF701T was too good to avoid ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Darnell_Chat_TN:
That's why I got a TF700. I was tired of waiting for the first Nexus 10 :D .
[Asus Transformer TF700] kansasboy001:
I talked to my friend in motherboards at ASUS and he was able to find out that ASUS is planing on releasing updaes for the TF700 for another year, until they cease production. He could not findut if this meant kitkat, or 4.3, but he said to expect some update.

I have measured performance and on cm11 snapshot there is about an extra 1500 points in quadrant over stock 4.2.1
[Asus Transformer TF700] DarsVaeda:
And I regret that decision to this day... :(
[Asus Transformer TF700] Ghorin:
I hope so
[Asus Transformer TF700] mr_cg:
Will it be anyhow possible to bring Miracast (Screen Mirroring) feature to CROMi-X on Asus TF700t?

I think Tegra3 should support Miracast in general.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
I'm not sure the hardware supports it. The tegra 4 does. I'll see if the Asus app for that works on the tf700.
[Asus Transformer TF700] mr_cg:
Would be really great to get Miracast feature on the Asus TF700t. There are lot of users searching for this feature because most of the new TV's on the market are supporting this. I will donate you a beer in case you get it working. :good: