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[Moto X General] droib:
In MotoMaker, choose T-Mobile as the carrier and once you get to the "checkout" stage you'll be shown the non-subsidized price (T-Mobile doesn't sell it on-contract). I haven't taken the time to sort through all of the misinformation around here but I'm pretty sure it come SIM unlocked. If not, T-Mobile will unlock it for you for free. Just to be clear, SIM-unlocked means you can use it on other carriers. Not the same as being able to root the device, but see other threads for that... (you actually can also do that with the T-Mobile version).

Before going this route, it would be a good idea check the 3G bands in your area against those supported by Moto X T-Mobile model # XT1053 (look on Wikipedia). This is the model of choice for (non-4G) use in western Europe, but it's possible that Greece uses bands not supported, or maybe supported by the At&t version (that version is configured to also work in some parts of Latin America). In the unlikely event that that is the case, the GSM Developer Edition won't help you, because that has the same setup as the T-Mobile version...

Hope this helps.

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I don't mean to start a flaming war here, and I'd be pretty bummed too if I'd just bought at full price. But concepts like price matching are ploys by retailers like BestBuy to get your business. There's so much of this now that when a manufacturer chooses to hold a one-day sale the rest of us feel cheated. The whole idea of a sale is to get people in who maybe wouldn't have bought otherwise.

If companies weren't allowed to do this (say, they had give the discount to everyone who'd bought recently) it wouldn't be a one-day sale and the "sale" price would be a whole lot higher. Then nobody would feel cheated but then again they wouldn't be getting all of this free buzz on forums... Companies time sales and price drops so they can still make a profit, and if they weren't making any profit you wouldn't be seeing any of these cool gadgets coming out! It's a two-edged sword.

I only feel OK writing this because I've been holding onto a just-barely-alive Nexus S waiting for just such a sale to come along!
[Moto X General] Gana21:
Thanks droib, :cyclops: it was fast

Aftter some web searching i found that

-all Greek providers operate under GSM 900 / DCS 1800 / UMTS 2100 / LTE 3

-XT1053 moto X (T-Mobile US, Developer Edition (GSM)) operates under quad GSM / UTMS 850/900/1900/2100 & LTE of 4/5/12

i understand that apart form LTE I am fully compatible

i also understand Bootloader unlocking / rooting etc can be done with all the variants of moto X

The question now is:

in case the device is locked will T-Mobile be happy to unlock it straight away or it would require some days/months of operation under their network?

Thanks

*dying Nexus S user as well
[Moto X General] sashank:
Hi everyone, I'm going to the US (first time) for my Master's in December. I don't have much of an idea about the networks there. Does "off contract" mean that the phone will still be carrier locked to the selected network? What exactly is the benefit then?﻿

I really want to get the Moto X over the Nexus 5, and I'll be in Houghton, MI where only AT&T and Verizon have coverage. What's the preferable thing I should do here? Get the carrier based Moto X at no contract, or just get it with contract? I'm a first timer, so no I have no present line. Would getting the Moto X on no contract and then taking a contract work out to be more expensive than getting it at $99 + contract? I was under the impression that the carriers make up the cost of the phone through the contract, but then I saw that a contract taken along with the Moto X and a contract taken directly from AT&T without any phone costs the same. I'm a bit confused with all this, if anyone can help me out that'd be great.

Also, which carrier models of Moto X still don't have unlockable bootloaders? Only Verizon and AT&T?
[Moto X General] methodz:
Whaaaaaaat!!! I just got mine on Monday!!!
[Moto X General] herzzreh:
Don't worry. I got the T-Mobile version yesterday, using it fine with AT&T.
[Moto X General] kzoodroid:
AT&T's cheapest Moto X smartphone contract will run you about $95 a month (2 GB data) which is $2379 over the 2 years of the contract with the $99 price of the phone added in. Say you buy the no contract dev edition on Monday for $400 and get a AT&&T GoPhone plan at $60 a month (2 GB of data) over the same 2 years that works out to $1840 you save $539 over 2 years. I have the cheapest GoPhone plan at $40 but only get 250 MB of data which is fine for me because I'm on wifi 99% of the time. So since I paid $550 for the dev edition I save a total of $869 over 2 years as compared to buying the phone on contract. You can't get GoPhone plans on contract phones you either have to buy the limited ones AT&T offers for sale off contract or bring your own phone.
[Moto X General] droib:
No problem!

Yes, it looks like you'll get 3G coverage with the T-Mobile version. Not much LTE in Continental Europe anyway at the moment (I'm in Spain and I don't believe it really exists here at all).

Unless things have just changed you cannot unlock the bootloader on the At&t version (I haven't been paying attention to Verizon models) but you can with the TMo version, but you have to go through the Motorola website to get an unlock code which will obviously void your warranty with no chance of fooling them (but you can't fool them with the Dev edition either).

Most people are saying the TMo version already comes SIM unlocked. If not, TMo should just give you the unlock code immediately if you call them. You're buying off contract so they have to. Of course you never know who you'll get on the phone though... Worst case scenario you can use any of a million online phone unlocking services which typically cost $8 to $10. Those services typically take between 10 seconds and a couple of days to get you your code. All I can say without having gone through it (yet) is that at most it might be small hassle, but it will definitely be possible.

Good luck!
[Moto X General] slider112:
Decisions, decisions...

Current VZW GNex owner here, grandfathered in to unlimited data, contract up on 12/15... I could either:

1) Buy the Moto X Developer Edition on Monday, 4.4 kit kat out of the box, stay with VZW, keep unlimited data, month to month, no contract. (up front cost $400)

2) G2 on ATT, running PA kit kat 4.4 ROM, 6GB per month, no unlimited, 2 yr contract (up front cost $99)

3) Nexus 5 on ATT, 4.4 kit kat out of the box, 6GB per month, no unlimited, month to month, no contract (up front cost $400)

First world problems. :D
[Moto X General] cipsaz:
So what's the difference between the ATT and TM models?
[Moto X General] gunnyman:
AT&T locked bootloader, locked to carrier. Ugly deathstar on the back and a couple of bloat apps.
[Moto X General] droib:
It's easier to worry about these things than real problems...

According to kzoodroid's post above, the Nexus5/ATTGoPhone route will be a whole lot cheaper than the G2/contract one. If you sign a contract now you'll probably wish you hadn't, giving the shakeups going on right now. And the G2's button position is downright weird. Then again the N5's (current at least) camera situation is worrying.

Keeping that unliimited data deal on VZW, if you're not already paying with your left kidney, would easily make up for the Moto X price if you use tethering, etc., if it were me.
[Moto X General] 10nisman94:
Are you able to tether without restrictions?
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Lol. Why do you think the servers went down. I'd wager that a majority percentage of the buyers are current and former nexus owners myself included. Heck I'm sure there are people who haven't received their nexus yet that tried to pick this up since the price drop. Most people don't care about the nexus features or development. It's just the least expensive no contract option. Now the MotoX comes in same price with more features for the general population. Motorola should have anticipated this. Heck, if my Dev edition comes in before next Monday and I like it. I might just Moto make some Christmas gifts lol.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Moto X General] Julianocas:
Nice apologize post from CEO.
[Moto X General] eman3316@optonline.net:
This is what I did for my wife. She really wanted to designed one but at 10:30pm I figured to at least order the white one so she will have something if all else fails on Wednesday or next Monday. If I can snag a Moto Maker version then the white one will just go back. At least she will be able to get the heck off of Sprint either way!
[Moto X General] Mike_jnz:
This was me ... ordered Nexus 5 last week, found out about this sale, ordered a Moto X Dev Ed yesterday (with almost 3 hr wait), Nexus 5 was shipped this morning at 3:30am and I have no plan to even open it... straight back for refund. The 5 would have been my "Its sure better than what I have, but not thrilled with it" phone. The Moto X is my "I`m so freakin excited to get this I`m biting my nails" phone. Yeh, I drank the Moto X kool aid and until proven otherwise it tastes great.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
There must have been a huge number of dev edition sales for them to "sell out".
[Moto X General] calmlydefyinglogic:
Yeah, that was kind of my logic as well. I really wanted my Moto Maker Moto X but I got tired of waiting. I just didn't want to miss out on the sale plus my custom job was basically a white Moto X with blue buttons. I'm extremely stoked and can't wait to get mine because until then I'm rocking a flip phone. haha. I sold all my other devices not that long ago and just sold my Note 3 so it was my only free option at the moment. It's going to be a long wait for my Moto X to arrive. I might try to order a Moto Maker version on Wed but if it's anything like yesterday I'll pass because I can live with my TMO version.:D

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I actually live in Dallas so the factory isn't far from me. I wish that I could call them and they would let me pick up my Moto X. haha. Wishful thinking I know. It just sucks that it's going to take so long to ship it when I could make a 30 minute drive to pick it up. :eek:
[Moto X General] eman3316@optonline.net:
As someone who owns the Nexus 5, have friends who bought the Moto X on my reccomendation and I just ordered my wife a Moto X yesterday, you might want to take the N5 out of the box.

I am extremely happy with the N5 and me personally, I would not trade it for a Moto X. If not for the N5 I would probably be rocking an X myself but the N5 has been pretty steller so far. The screen is amazing, the fluiditiy now gives iPhones a run for their money, the camera can take some unbelievable shots especially in dark lit rooms and is just needing an update to fix the shutter lag and I regulary pull 4 hours of on screen over a 14 hour day.

I am not saying the one phone beats the other and it is a matter of preference but I am saying you have a great opportunity to compare both side by side so you might want to try it out first.

Either way, it will be a win win situation.
[Moto X General] barondebxl:
Bashing it? No. I said I prefer the nexus 5. But the price changes things I think we can all agree.
[Moto X General] poena:
has anyone else gotten cancelations?

I got an order in the 2nd batch yesterday for a vzw dev edition. I currently have a moto maker moto x in my hand that I ordered about 2 weeks ago. I'm about to send it back for a refund but I want to be sure that my new order won't be canceled so I'm just wondering if cancelation emails are still coming out or if I have survived past that.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
Had a cancellation on an order several weeks ago and Moto cancelled it within minutes (shipping address issue). You should be safe if they haven't cancelled it yet. :fingers-crossed:
[Moto X General] eldamobo:
Mine was cancelled 4 hours after I ordered it - likely due to the fact I shipped it to somewhere different from the billing address.

The no questions cancellation was a major pain for me, resulting in 4 hours of on hold time to get through with someone. Now they're going to investigate re-instating my order. So there is "hope"
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
That's the first time I've heard of this. I've had it shipped to the office 2x and my latest order seems to be fine. :fingers-crossed:

[MENTION=3233227]aimfire72[/MENTION] It's not surprising. The only way I'm able to take advantage of this is because I returned my first X due to the first price drop. Don't forget that this has dropped from $650 to $400. Factor in taxes and it's almost a $270 drop. I'd be miffed if I didn't get in on this; it is unprecedented.
[Moto X General] bdpyo:
So yesterday, had a friend order my gsm dev variant.

She got it and paid, Motorola charged 2 different amounts on her account, additionally the email/purchase order had a additional different amount.

She called her bank, explained what happen they stopped 1 transaction. Motorola called her and she explained what happened and they said they would fix the issue and be in contact.

Then she gets this email this morning..

As previously sated we ordered a dev variant and it states in the email "MotoMaker".

Kinda curious as to why or what may happen.
[Moto X General] laur3n.newm4n:
Have you never heard of Cyber Monday before?
[Moto X General] pookguy88:
I ordered a non-MotoMaker T-Mobile yesterday but it hasn't shipped yet (have not received a cancellation email)... am I safe or do I need to cancel it and re-order a MotoMaker one? I'd hate to have it get cancelled after these 2 MotoMaker 'make-up' sales
[Moto X General] cipsaz:
I'd like to know this as well.
[Moto X General] eldamobo:
I know, seems really strange given that they have separate fields for billing address and shipping address. The rep on the phone said it happened to him before as well (with motorola...strange to hear that from internal).

To make matters worse, my shipping location is a parcel receiving business (but I have a normal address there), so that might have raised some redflags as well. So chances are "normal" purchases are just fine :)
[Moto X General] JASIRR:
I was able to sneak in about 11:15 and checkout with a MotoMaker. I received an email confirmation about 5 minutes after I paid. It's supposed to be hereby Friday.
[Moto X General] NelsonDK:
Double Charged

I ordered a GSM variant of the Dev Edition yesterday. I ordered it at 11:40 AM EST (though Motorola hadn't officially announced availability, after they minor website glitches...)

At 11:40 AM I was sent an email confirming the order at a total of 423.99 after taxes. A few moments later I get a notification from my Bank (Simple, which is awesome by the way) that a pending charge of 424.09 was authorized. Having worked in a business where items can be ordered, specifically cell phones (Ma' Bell), I knew it wasn't uncommon for a little bit extra to be authorized, but after the charges settle, it will be correct. I, at this point did not give it any thought. at 2:40 PM EST, I received another notification from Simple that Motorola Direct authorized 424.65

This brought up some questions for me, so I called Motorola, and after 20 Minutes on hold, I, using another phone, called Simple. Simple told me they could clear one of the pending charges, but I didn't have them do this in fear it might cancel the order. Still on hold with Motorola, they finally answer the phone. The first woman I talked to told me "No, we only charged you once, your bank is trying to get money from you and blaming us". I can not believe this was actually stated, it blew me away. So I called back as soon as I got off the phone with her, and instead of waiting 30+ mins, my call was answered immediately (maybe there system detected I had just hung up). Anyways, I speak to a girl who assures me they only charged me once, though I can look at my balance and see 2 separate Debit Authorizations. I asked for her Supervisor, and got him involved, and he tried to state the same thing. I tried to get him to give me his email address so I could email screen shots as proof. He stated that was against company policy, and instead sent me an email, which I could reply to. After getting off the phone, 20 minutes later or so I received his email, and attached my screenshots into a reply.

around 9:00 PM that night, Motorola calls me, I was hopeful for news. "Hello, this is **** with Motorola Escalations Department. I am calling to let you know, we are hard at work on your case. We will contact you tomorrow" *Click*

I didn't even get to speak... Seriously, you call me to tell me your going to call me? Okay.... not wasteful at all..

So now its tomorrow... No word from Motorola...i still have 2 charges in my account.

I have been able to find 2 other people on XDA that have posted similar stories of being double charged. In all of our cases, it seems that we were all charged the same 2 amounts, that are different than the quoted amount. If they all use Simple Bank, that would make my day. I know Motorola's Billing system had to get overwhelmed yesterday (not much unlike the entire website) but come on, Let's figure this out, so I don't have to look at how I paid $850 for a $400 phone...
[Moto X General] jonnythan:
This is why you use a credit card, not a debit card. Their billing system was clearly messed up yesterday.

These are pending charges, not posted, right?
[Moto X General] cipsaz:
You shouldn't worry about this at all. Most likely the pending charges will disappear in a few days. It's a glitch, that's why its recommended to use a CC and not worrying about the debit pending charges.
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
If you went as far back as the beginning of November, I might have been one of those you saw who got charged twice, each amount different than what the price should have been (based on the confirmation email I received).

In my case, my credit card's fraud department alerted me of the two charges. Since calling moto resulted in "wait until you get your statement and we'll work with you." I called the Credit Card Company's fraud department back and explained that I did purchase a phone, but those two amounts didn't match what it should have been. I faxed them my invoice email with the correct amount. In the end my Credit Card company's fraud department must have handled it because when my statement got here, I had only 1 charge, for the correct amount.
[Moto X General] izodiaki:
ouch

ouch, i tend to have this happen any time i order anything through woot, they double or triple bill sometimes, that's why i always use cc, one call and they block the "extra" charges
[Moto X General] gtg465x:
I have three pending charges on my Amex card, $1.00, $430.09, and $430.81. Not going to worry about it. You haven't been charged double unless the charges actually post and are no longer just pending. Same thing happened when I bought my HTC One, but only one charge posted and the other pending charge disappeared. If you cancel a pending charge you are just asking for your order to get screwed up IMO.
[Moto X General] ardoreal:
For purchases of this nature I ALWAYS use a credit card. I've had to fight a PC company (won't name names) over a double-charge, nothing could possibly make the rep on the other end understand it was a mistake.

I didn't even have to call Discover, it was built-in to the transaction list to dispute the charge. I had a few boxes of text to fill out and I never heard back about the problem again until 3 weeks later when Discover informed me they resolved the issue and made the charge-back permanent to my account as I was given a temporary charge-back.

I had to dispute some fraudulent charges on my checking account once that turned into such a hassle that I no longer use a debit card at all.
[Moto X General] jhealy:
Can anyone who has owned both a white and black X comment on if they have a different texture? I'm looking for the back to feel close to the Nexus 5. Also curious if the woven backs have any different texture.
[Moto X General] Johmama:
Ok, I wasn't worried about my order status in the slightest until I just checked my bank account and my $399.99 charge that was pending on my account is now gone and my balance now reflects the "held" money is now usable by me. I haven't received a cancellation email or any other correspondence from them. I ordered my dev GSM model yesterday at ~10:50 am CST. I should probably note that around a minute after I completed the checkout process, I did receive an email from Motorola telling me my order was received, what was ordered, etc.

After I saw my bank account, I went back to their site and decided to "log in" (I wasn't really planning on making an account with them for this one order, but caved after this). I linked it to my G+ account. Because of that, I did receive an email from them stating that my Motorola account is up and running. The point there is that I can still receive emails from them and they aren't being filtered out for some reason. My Gmail account is the one I used for the "Guest" checkout so it went into the same box.

I am totally fine with letting them figure all this mess out as long as I have a remote idea of where I stand, but I'm kind of in limbo here. If I don't either get a cancellation email from Motorola, or get my bank account charged $400 by tomorrow's discount, I'll be pretty stressed. I would be ok if they had to cancel my order and I have to order another one. If I don't know what happened, I don't want to order another one, then Motorola be like "Just kidding man! We totally already sent your first one out. Enjoy your two identical Moto X's! We'll be taking our $800 now." Now obviously, Motorola would probably work with me and get me a refund on one, but that's a lot of waiting and hassle to get $400 back into my account.

Is anyone else having this issue? Charges just disappearing, but no word from Motorola? If I'm not the only one, I'd be stressing out a bit less. You know what they say, misery loves company.

EDIT:

Ok, I just read that the dev editions of the phones aren't qualifying for the Wed and Mon promotions so if my order got cancelled, I will be pretty upset and might not get a Moto X. I really hope that my order went through. :(

DOUBLE EDIT:

So I chatted with a rep about my order and they said that it was still processing. I explicitly asked if I can expect a device to come and not need to order another one and the rep said yes, that's correct. I am no longer as worried as I was, but it's kind of unsettling that they released my funds. It's one of the few times that you actually want your account to be charged for something...
[Moto X General] imnuts:
I have one pending charge for my purchase that is ~$0.11 more than it should be. Not really worried because it is a pending charge. If it is processed for more, then there will be an issue. And if they cancel my confirmed order, there will also be an issue. I'm sure that if you have a confirmed order that was canceled, you can call them and they'll help you out though. I feel like a lot of people are probably just going to forget about it if their order is canceled, but if you call, maybe it'll get processed anyway.
[Moto X General] Coop9:
I got in and ordered a VZW Dev edition yesterday at about 10:50AM CST... after 3 hours of refreshing...

Has anyone else gotten a shipment notice on a VZW dev edition? For the record, as of now, I have not.
[Moto X General] bugsy:
I got one of the GSM Dev units and have not had any shipment information, only the initial order email. When I ordered my original ATT version their shipment data never updated until after I actually had the device in hand.
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
The suggestion has been to sign up with FedEx Delivery Manager (its free) -> http://www.fedex.com/us/delivery/ as Moto hasn't been good with supplying tracking information.

In my experience, ordering in early November, I got notified by FedEx Delivery Manager as the package was picked up from Moto, and every step of the way, and Moto finally sent me tracking number AFTER the package was delivered.