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[One (M8) General] tyler.durden:
You won't regret the switch... The only thing I really actually miss is the speakers and sound output of the HTC One, but that's why I still have it.
[One (M8) General] sailio:
I'm getting a kick on how everyone praises the N5... Woo... It's crap in my opinion.. I like flavor and uniqueness to my phone... Also, will people stop calling it a MP? If you call it that then you have absolutely no business being here.
[One (M8) General] RayTrue04:
http://gizmodo.com/5985348/what-is-an-ultrapixel
[One (M8) General] sailio:
The freaking sensors are bigger... That website is a waste of space and time. It is not an effing 4MP
[One (M8) General] WookieFan:
Joe, if you have used HTCs half as long as I have, then you must know that the biggest complaint they had (here) was model turnover - a new phone every few months. Now it's wrong to keep a single model out for a whole year. Anyone note the irony?

Ok, So I won't go any further after this post, I never take anything personally here, because this place is only one step above reddit anyway. FYI MP = megapixels. That's it. I am not writing out the whole word every time I use it.

At best the Gizmodo article says the jury's out - there was no qualitative review of the camera, only a snarky article about the technology. When you go to any forum, Verizon, HTC, the vast majority of respondents are dissatisfied. That's a measurable truth - people who are happy with their purchase don't post. Moreover, you are going to get trolls who have their stick up their butt about HTC in general, and just want to start an argument to make themselves feel better. I'm done responding to people like that. That doesn't make them a majority, or even a significant percentage of users.

The phone itself is a quality phone, but I didn't come here to defend it. I responded to bring some reality to the complainers' overwhelming responses regarding the camera in the phone, only. Here, xdaforums, what I always thought was a reasonable place to have a discussion. Obviously a bad move. For a light fun time, I should visit OUYA forums.

Oh, and why would anyone buy 5 HTC Ones if they hated the phone so much? Later.
[One (M8) General] ED2O9:
By definition a megapixel is an image resolution of 1 million pixels. The HTC One's camera, on maximum resolution and frame size is 2688 pixels x 1520 pixels = 4085760 pixels... or 4 megapixels (MP). You can talk about the sensor size all you want, but "UltrapPixel" is a term that HTC coined to describe the light capturing ability of the camera. It makes sense to describe the sensor with different terminology because it has unique characteristics compared to other phone cameras and it would be a complete non-sell without it. The pixels aren't larger either. In traditional photography terms, it would be like calling 35mm film "UltraFormat" because it's 400 ASA. The film size is the same, but it's better suited for low-light conditions.

So, technically, it's correct to call it a 4MP camera... because it is. Sorry.
[One (M8) General] JoeNeckbone:
This is my 3rd HTC phone since 2010, (one of them being a insurance replacement, so I have no issue using a phone over a year) and were one of those people complaining about them flooding the market with to many phones. When I mentioned every few months I meant the tech HTC would be going up against with by its competition.
[One (M8) General] RayTrue04:
I might get in trouble for this and I don't do this much but... You sir are dumb, plain and simple. Or maybe you're just on HTC's payroll. :rolleyes:
[One (M8) General] Riff76:
In b4 lock
[One (M8) General] joseh92:
I have had my HTC One since the first day it was out on Sprint, I'm a phone geek I always want and have the latest tech. Now this phone has been great since day one! No issues in build quality, screen is one of the best models, the camera doesn't have the purple tint issue or any issues at all. I'm one of the lucky few who didn't get defective units, I stand by the camera of this phone, it's served me very well many many times, I'm perfectly happy with this until the m8 comes out and I'll definitely be switching.

Also I've owned every single galaxy phone out there and the ones I like the best would be the note 2 and 3. S4 has way too much damn issues and the camera isn't all that great. I've also used all HTC phones starting with the G1. Sense has always been my favorite from the G1 days and it still is.
[One (M8) General] OMJ:
all this bickering is pointless...it's a effing smartphone w/ a camera....it's not gonna take awesome pix

if u don't like the One's camera, quit complaining & buy something else that you can complain about (there's plenty of options)

welcome to the Sprint HTC One forums WookieFan, it's good to see some intelligence
[One (M8) General] coal686:
I must be lucky. My phone mostly takes great pics, especially when I stabilize my elbows. People asked what model camera I used when I took this one. It was almost dark, but I used the HDR setting.
[One (M8) General] phillip1953:
So you're OK with carrying a separate media device as long as it's not a high quality digital SLR? :)
[One (M8) General] tyler.durden:
Yeah, I'm fine with still using my One to play music in my car or at home. It's still a great phone, and I really had no complaints other than signal problems... That's the reason I switched and stayed switched. My Nexus gets a better signal(and speeds) everywhere, and the camera is really not bad at all like so many people and reviews make it out to be. I'd say it's as good as the One from my limited use. Both are great phones, but I have to stick with the one that works best for the intended purpose(a phone).
[One (M8) General] victorinoxs:
HTC did a good job by introducing "ultrapixels" and increasing awareness of sensor/pixel size....but that was last year.

There is no excuse not to improve this year. Keeping the same 1/3" sensor w/ 4mp is simply not acceptable. Sony has been using 1/2.3" sensor with pixel binning technology. While taking 8mp pics on that sensor, the pixel pitch is around 1.89 microns, which is very close to HTC's 2.0 microns "ultrapixels", but offers significantly more details.

If 1.89 microns pixel is not good enough to be considered "ultrapixel", HTC should at least bump the sensor size to 1/2.3", and increase pixel count to 6mp, resulting in a 2.18 microns pixel pitch. This way the new camera will be a true upgrade in all aspects.
[One (M8) General] barondebxl:
Why is it that Nokia, apple, Sony and Samsung devices take great pix? Ppl love to have a good camera on their phone. What's next? "Oh it's an effing smartphone its not gonna browse the web great use a desktop"???
[One (M8) General] coal686:
Isn't that already true? To me, a smartphone is a Jack of all trades but an expert at none. The desktop browsing experience is far better than on a phone. I'm not saying we should settle for mediocrity though. The companies should always strive to improve.
[One (M8) General] barondebxl:
I don't wanna speak too soon cause we have yet to see what the camera is capable of but like you said we shouldn't settle for mediocrity and say "it's a smart phone what do you expect...." When other OEM can deliver.
[One (M8) General] blap017:
Megapixels isn't what makes a picture good..... Megapixels make the image big I would take 4 megapixels with an awesome sensor over 13 mega pixels and a sh*t sensor. Just my .02
[One (M8) General] victorinoxs:
True, but would you take a 4mp 1/3" sensor over a 8mp 1/2.3" sensor? While competitors are moving onto bigger sensors, HTC decided to stick with 1/3" sensor...what gives? Sony's 1/2.3" sensor can even do pixel binning. One can choose to shoot in high res mode in well lit conditions, and shoot in 8mp pixel binning for better S/N ratio...the pixel size is very close to HTC's "ultrapixel" but with a lot more details. The truth is, HTC's "ultrapixel" doesn't offer much advantage over the competitors in terms of S/N ratio and pixel pitch, but suffers significant drawback in terms of details and resolutions.

That said, for people that only upload pics to facebook and instagram, 4mp is probably good enough....Unfortunately for HTC, not everyone will be satisfied with merely 4mp, especially when there are better choices out there.
[One (M8) General] v2.2v:
IMHO there is a .00007% chance the camera stays the same. The camera will be improved
[One (M8) General] victorinoxs:
You're right, it's not the same module...OIS is gone, hopefully the purple tint is fixed too....However, sensor size and resolutions have been confirmed to be the same.....hence the improvements will be limited....but again, it hasn't been officially announced, let's wait and see...
[One (M8) General] gruesomewolf:
This whole topic is ridiculous. The only time you would need a camera with a massive amount of megapixels was if you intend on printing off the pictures you take on your phone....to hang then on the wall, or your doing some serious cropping. And if your planning on doing that you should really be using a good digital camera. More megapixels does not mean better photo. Camera makers have figured out that by saying a camera has more megapixels consumers will pay more money....that's all that is. It just doesn't work that way, for me. Personally I'm very happy with the pictures that my One takes. I believe they are right on par as to what a cell phone should be. That red tint in low light was a hardware issue..... Not a megapixels issue. Here's some interesting reading on megapixels.

http://www.digital-photo-secrets.com/tip/333/do-more-megapixels-mean-better-photo-quality/
[One (M8) General] Monkeyfeng:
While I agree that megapixel is not everything, high megapixel camera has real world application. For example, I take picture of my work schedule all the time. These are excel files print on a sheet of paper. It's great to have a high megapixel camera for this because you can zoom in to your name and cell to see your time schedule. With the HTC One, it's a little bit difficult because you can only zoom in so much with a 4 megapixel camera. While cameras like the Nokia 1020, you can zoom in with crazy details.

So no, it's not about printing quality anymore. People zoom in to check details of their photos all the time.

Honestly, I really hoped the megapixel can be increased to 6 or 8. But, we will see on announcement day.
[One (M8) General] fernando sor:
I'm sure there will be plenty to Kang in the n5 forums.
[One (M8) General] eksasol:
All you had to say is: Hubble Ultra Deep Field. That's enough reason for megapixels.

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[One (M8) General] Sidewindr:
Actually you are wrong, a proper adjustable lens allows you to zoom properly and this is the problem with all cameras in phones, they have a fixed zoom lens and have to do the poor man's zoom by pixel reduction. Besides a 1080p display is only 2MP :p

Also have none of you been keeping up with the updates .. it is utilising dual 5MP cameras as a main camera..
[One (M8) General] homer285:
There is a post here in the comments that states the phone has a 13UP rear cam, I hope thats true.
[One (M8) General] Dave O:
A leash today says the baton camera (beside the flash) is 16mp and the other one is a 4mp...
[One (M8) General] DanBergundy:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_2014_certified_by_tenaa_confirming_official_specs-news-8076.php
[One (M8) General] malek777:
Now that we know that the camera is not 4mp, hopefully the battery being 2600 is also not true.
[One (M8) General] Galactic2:
Yes. Definitely hoping for a bigger battery....
[One (M8) General] daorderdillon:
2600mah is confirmed and it's great for the software it runs
[One (M8) General] Chad_Petree:
Actually the camera and the battery are the two things that are not confirmed and the posible deal breakers for me, if the phone does have a 2600 mah battery it will underperform , I don't know how long will people keep lying to themselves , I've been hearing the same storiy since the Galaxy Nexus was released, the battery life will be fine because they will optimize it ... yeah right , optimizing ist just half of the equation , I would say 50-50 , with the other 50% being the battery capacity.

About the camera I want to believe the second camera ist not just for focusing/blurring pictures, HTC can't be that dumb, it would be just a gimmick :rolleyes:

Only 5 days more to go!
[One (M8) General] jonas2295:
I can confirm 2600 mah. It's officially conformed by a official flyer about the m8.

Sent with HTC One and a bit of Sixth Shense
[One (M8) General] Chad_Petree:
You mean this one?

Or the specs which were sent to gsm arena?
[One (M8) General] jonas2295:
Completely different. Not from gsm and not from that carrier flyer. Official flyer from htc

Sent with HTC One and a bit of Sixth Shense
[One (M8) General] Chad_Petree:
Oh no , this is the end for the One and me then :crying:
[One (M8) General] jonas2295:
It depends on what HTC added for battery saving. I expect a lot of new stuff there.

Sent with HTC One and a bit of Sixth Shense
[One (M8) General] nobnut:
There's no substitute for mAh. None.

Battery saving is just a placebo. To save battery, turn your phone off.

A small battery is a small battery.

Looks like a Z2 and a G3 (with QHD) are more usable devices for heavy users.
[One (M8) General] Superguy:
There's always the possibility of buying an extended battery.

While bigger's always better - especially if it can be kept slim, you can always remember the "good ol' days" when Android phones came with 1500mah batteries. :D
[One (M8) General] NathanV1977:
The Snapdragon 800 really is great compared with the 600, and uses significantly less battery to run at equivalent frequencies. I assume the 801 will be the same, if not better.
[One (M8) General] daorderdillon:
I am getting it no matter what

Sent from HTC BUTTERFLY S 901S running SENSE SIX
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
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[One (M8) General] malek777:
Can you post the link for this htc flyer you speak of, because it seems you re the only that knows about it
[One (M8) General] coal686:
That would be a good name for a phone. Red aluminum body like the old Radio Flyer wagons. I'd buy that.
[One (M8) General] malek777:
I couldnt agree more. Well said
[One (M8) General] daorderdillon:
Take his word for it he can't post the flyer

Sent from HTC BUTTERFLY S 901S running SENSE SIX
[One (M8) General] jonas2295:
nvm
[One (M8) General] ipsuvedi:
I am curious abt M8's dual back camera...is this 3D or something else...now I am remembering my beloved evo 3d..

If 3d I will surely buy it

If no tjen I will think
[One (M8) General] vegetaleb:
Good to know there would be a 16mp side by side with the 4mp ultrapixel,thanks to the Chinese information,

if it's true

then HTC knows what customers want: a very good camera for low light and an excellent one for daylight and cropping.

The worst scenario would be the rumor posted days ago about a 4mp+2mp that would make the M8 a loser in terms of sales,and HTC is not in the best financial position right now.
[One (M8) General] jonas2295:
i have to disappoint you i guess.
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
So its 4+2 then?

Personally I don't mind having the original camera IF they fixed the sensor being destroyed by heat issue (which with a battery so small, they could have easily made a way to disperse heat AWAY from the sensor) but they got rid of OIS? Isn't that a huge step back?

I'm not going to skip out on a killer device because of the camera but OIS made a huge difference if you ask me. Bummer if that's gone.
[One (M8) General] jonas2295:
I am pretty much sure, based on various sources I have, that the main cam is 4mox ultrapixel plus the second camera only does background, 3d info capture etc.

However I haven't seen a picture taken by a m8 and I bet on a sample technique like the Oppo 7 has to upscale the pictures. But let's see what HTC has on 25.3

Sent with HTC One and a bit of Sixth Shense

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Ois is there tho.

Sent with HTC One and a bit of Sixth Shense
[One (M8) General] vegetaleb:
Then camera evolution for HTC:

2012: 8mp

2013: 4mp

2014: 4mp+2mp

2015: 2+1mp

2016: VGA

2017: 320x250

Samsung:

2012: 8mp

2013: 12mp

2014: 16mp

2015: 21mp

...

Though I don't know if HTC will exists in 2015 with such camera, I know ultrapixel is better than ordinary pixel for light but the big public read 16mp and 4mp and will stop on these,and in a certain way they are right as cropping is very difficult on 4mp, ONLY night clubbers photos for Facebook lovers will love the 4mp ultrapixel but all the rest will love anything above 6mp. Marketing team of HTC is very :eek:

Samsung will win once again because they have the specs 90% of the people want while HTC try to convince with obsolete camera.

I will get a One M8 because I can't live without Sense UI and ViperOne roms but it's really a pitty to not have the perfect phone, HTC always lose big opportunities to beat sammy
[One (M8) General] jonas2295:
Please let us talk in 5 days again ok? :) [MENTION=2390514]vegetaleb[/MENTION]

Not going to discuss all that camera stuff before knowing what's in there and what it is capable of

Sent with HTC One and a bit of Sixth Shense
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
Well I'm one of the few who was very satisfied with the HTC One's camera up until the red tint hit so if its the same tech with a depth control/bokeh gimmick, I'm fine with it. In decent light to avoid the red tint, my One takes much better shots than my roommate's new G Flex or his S4 before it.

Now hopefully T-Mobile has it on launch day like the UK is getting. Wishful thinking, I know.
[One (M8) General] vegetaleb:
Hahaha I though you had the M8 with you and you leaked infos :D
[One (M8) General] jonas2295:
Still rocking my m7 :)

Sadly didn't have a m8 unit in my hands... They hide the ultrapixel camera again like last year, they simply left the camera hole empty as far as I know so something is special. That leaking kid probably didn't have a ultrapixel cam or and old variant

Sent with HTC One and a bit of Sixth Shense
[One (M8) General] CharliesTheMan:
If one did have inside information it's not something they would be able to share. If one leaves HTC it won't be due to the camera quality in the M8. Any such speculation would be ignorance (in a literal sense) based on rumors from sources without pertinent information or evidence.
[One (M8) General] Life Engineer:
To people saying camera is rubbish, I can say you're wrong!

I have currently an LG G2, a pretty solid phone with a pretty good camera as per reviews!

It's 13MP with OIS!

I love everything about this phone except the camera!

In real life, it sucks! It has the slowest focus in the world! sometimes I wait like 5 sec to get a focus! Most times I skip "the moment"!

Most of the photos are blurry! Even with sports mode I cannot take a pic of a moving turtle without blur!

Indoors it sucks big time!

Video recording is awful! Literally awful! Search the net and see the failure!

2 days ago I tried my friend's HTC ONE MAX (and that is without OIS HTC ONE has) and I was amazed! It focuses like in 1/2 a sec!

It has fast shutter speeds and great pics!

After all most of my photos are indoors so I'm keeping my eyes on the new HTC ONE!

I might even go counter-logicwise and trade my LG G2 for the old good HTC ONE.
[One (M8) General] dondavis007:
Im with you there friend. My One is running in circles around my LG G2 in real life. I could wish a bit bigger pics, because you really can't crop them, but a camera that in bad light can capture my kids running around is the camera I use, it's pretty simple. I for sure will eye the New One, the mix of the two cams is for me a winner. Both low light and a croppable pic in god light, i'm home free :)
[One (M8) General] fernando sor:
I have both phones. G2 and the one and I'm done with the g2. Already have someone who is buying it. Very true about the slow camera focus on the g2.

That and it's trying so hard to look like a Samsung phone. And talk about bloat. Lg ROM is 1.7 GB.
[One (M8) General] Life Engineer:
I love my G2 but if HTC one had a bigger screen and a bigger battery I wouldn't even gave a thought about it! Also the new HTC one doesn't seem so encouraging from this perspective! (5" including on screen buttons and 2600ma battery only!)
[One (M8) General] ccw1134:
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[One (M8) General] the_eclectic1:
You might like to try the Butterfly S. Bigger screen than M7 and a 3100 mAh battery. With msd memory slot to boot!

Sent from my SM-N9005
[One (M8) General] Life Engineer:
I am hard to please!

It was originally on my radar but when I saw the little to no support it has on xda and even from HTC updates, I was hesitant!

It should have been the flagship instead of the htc one!
[One (M8) General] the_eclectic1:
Butterfly S will get v4.4.2 KK and if I'm not mistaken also Sense 6.0.

But this model is sold predominantly in Asia. So little xda support. Agreed this should have been the flagship. It's cpu is clocked at 1.9 mHz vs 1.7 mHz for the M7!
[One (M8) General] UgXvibe:
Some Russian site got a Verizon M8 and has sample pics.. https://twitter.com/pdaplaza_russia

I hate how the sides of the town shots have blur like the M7. I can never get a fully focused landscape pic with my M7.
[One (M8) General] Life Engineer:
I live in Asia but this butterfly S was and still so expensive! It's for maybe like 650$ right now in my country while the G2 that I have is for about 530 and the note 3 580!

So it will be a very brave decision to get it!

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Damn ! Never knew this M8 is that big! It's as tall as the note 3!

That would really be a deal breaker for me and will make me think a lot before getting it although I was so excited about it!

It's even bigger than my 5.2" g2 and bigger than waterproof huge s5! Damn that's a lot!
[One (M8) General] progosu:
sigh, terrible camera, waiting for LG's move... if it's gonna be as bad as G2 I'm gonna skip 2014's flagships, all of them were so disappointing.
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
This is such a stupid reason to skip a phone.....
[One (M8) General] progosu:
can you tell me why? why it's a stupid reason when the camera is the most important for ME?
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
If that's the case, carry a small point and shoot with you. Sorry but you're never going to get a high quality camera in a smartphone and buying one for that purpose is foolish. Even the "top of the line" Lumias take horrible pictures compared to a 50 dollar point and shoot. Why? Because they have tiny sensors that cost 5 bucks.

I never understood this argument.

The camera on the One ranks among the best UNTIL it gets the tint problem. If they've fixed that, I have no problem with having the same camera and watching the video, that refocusing trick is actually kind of cool.
[One (M8) General] hgoldner:
I don't understand this thread. The latest news is that the combined power of the duo cameras on the M8 are 16MP. That's from a Chinese website and was made widely available last week.

In any event; we'll all know in less than 24 hours (and I hope to have one in my hands by about 1:30 p.m. EDT tomorrow.
[One (M8) General] UgXvibe:
Here is a sample from the M8 from that Russian PDA Plaza. Their Twitter has some tinyurls of a bunch more raw images.

https://twitter.com/pdaplaza_russia
[One (M8) General] thegrants82:
You have no idea what you are talking about. The camera is huge to some of us. Why are your posts always so trolling, non-helpful and immature?