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[One (M8) General] SolarTrans:
^This. While I agree the camera is by no means bad (IMO), it doesn't stand a chance against the S5 or iPhone 5s in good lighting (or even low light in some cases).

Each year, smartphone cameras are really only compared in relativity to competing phones. If one is noticeably worse than the others (or one is noticeably better than the rest), people and reviewers will complain regardless of how good the camera actually is for normal/social media usage.
[One (M8) General] Ndaoud360:
It may be the same sensor but a newer model of it. Like going from the old Boom sound to the boom sound. Its the same boom sound but improved speakers.
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
Anyone who says that the M8 has the "same" camera hasn't used them both.

The results from the new camera are simply stunning. I was using the M8 software on the M7 and thought "oh this is cool, fast pics, but quality still sucks" which caused me to go into the M8 thinking "nothing great"

Boy was I wrong! A few manual tweaks and bam! Insanely sickening pictures!
[One (M8) General] CandyAndy:
I have to say that HTC blew it here. Instead of putting the second camera there and getting rid of OIS they should have pumped ultrapixels into at least 8mpx for just that one camera.

Now what we get is ok quality pictures which do lack of detail in those areas where detail is needed (tree branches a bit further away etc) and we get the second camera which is just used for ufocus etc and unfortunately the ufocus doesn't work well.

Here are some sample shots, first one without any editing and the second one with the best ufocus I could get.

Foreground looks quite nice but everything what is further away loses all sharpness and detail and not very nice looking. Ufocus on the otherhand is just a mess.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0MUVjq_igOMUDlxZFZXWWEzbG8/edit?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0MUVjq_igOMclRQM0w1ZVQ5REU/edit?usp=sharing
[One (M8) General] vegetaleb:
Yep the rumor that the One 2nd camera was a 13mp for daylight was a fantastic thing,though it looks like HTC wanted to recycle old 2mp sensors by using them as Ufocus and other gimmicks just for the sake of gaining 5$ per unit,this is sad when you know it's a 800$ phone!

The 4UP are great for closup and portraits hands down though, you can try to upscale the resolution thanks to free apps or PC softwares but you will never have the amount of details a 21mp of Z2 or 16mp of S5 have for crops.

All I can say is no camera phone is perfect, S5 and Z2 suck in low light
[One (M8) General] BerndM14:
I suppose the tree branches are really important if you're taking pictures of tree branches, if not, why should it be a concern? If I take a pic of someone the focus of the pic IS the "someone" not the tree branches at the back...:eek: How dull would I(Or anyone else in the pic) be if people wanted to rather focus on the tree branches on the back and not the actual focus of the pic.

For use like that it's fine, it's good actually. For other uses like tree branches in portrait shots for study or art or whatever, it's probably not the greatest but oh well... We'll see what they do next year then, or if they can come up with some radical software during this year to improve the "smallest" but one of the best cameras on the mobile phone market. :good:
[One (M8) General] eallan:
I mean, you can think that but it's literally the same sensor.

http://anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review/2

And "BoomSound" is just a marketing term for their stereo speakers. You don't know if they're the same speakers or not. They could be identical speakers with a software tweak.
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
Its a different sensor with the same specifications, that's NOT the same sensor.

Just because it has the same specifications on paper doesn't mean it is the same sensor. How many times do you find two different devices by two different manufacturers with the same specifications but different performance? Same thing here.

Anyone saying that the camera is the same clearly hasn't used both of them. I had the M7 running the Sense 6 port including the M8 camera software and while the speed was improved, the picture quality was exactly the same. The M8 takes much better pictures in most situations than the M7 did running the same software and they both have different part numbers. Therefore, the sensors are CLEARLY different!
[One (M8) General] eallan:
You should read a little bit more in the link I attached.

It is the same sensor. It just is. It doesn't mean that they couldn't have improved the software part of the camera experience, which is important, but it's the same sensor man.

I've also got the m7 within arms reach...
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
Most of us had the ST sensor, myself included. So yes, it is a different sensor. Once again, different manufacturers with different performance.

If you need to see the difference, go read the posts about the OV sensor versus the ST sensor when they replaced it due to the red/blue problems. There are clear image quality differences (and a number of complaints about a different tint to the pictures with the OV which HTC appears to have gotten resolved in the M8) between the two.
[One (M8) General] Ndaoud360:
Its all like the camera is good until someone compared to either iphone 5s or gs5. Yes the gs5 may have a brighter picture form what I can tell in the comparison. You can up the brightness after the photo has been taken and boom you got a gs5 photo. I know because I compared them both with upped brightness on the m8 and they both look the same (except when cropped).

Also people who complain about the 4mp. Think about it the 4 mp can get just a hair under the gs5 with 16 mp. Imagine 16 mp with ultra pixel on m8.
[One (M8) General] keithross39:
Lol....just had a thought.......at least the M8 (unlike it's competition) won't chew up my data allowance every time I want to upload a photo somewhere......:D:D:D

Sent from my Markox/Gustavo_s powered KitKatted S2
[One (M8) General] trentoid:
the camera isn't actually too bad to be honest. shots look fine on the phone and on the computer. I agree though, as an improved model i was expecting an 8UP Camera over the 4 and the depth sensor is totally gimicky.
[One (M8) General] Rumball:
I agree that the depth sensor is a gimmick and it's accompanying software algorithms still need a lot of work as it really produces some horrible blurring effects at times ( where large portions of the background remain in focus when they should be blurred).

But as for the repeated comments about 8 UP. You do realize that the key to UltraPixel s is that they are larger at 2um...to get 8 UP with the same pixel bin size of 2um you'd need a sensor with a larger surface area. And to get the larger sensor under the optics you'd need a larger focal distance which would mean a thicker phone (or at least a protrusion where the camera is). Then people would complain that the phone is too thick or that the camera bulge is ugly. It's all trade-offs. Sleek phone or better camera.
[One (M8) General] xxquicksh0txx:
I'm having a strange affect with my camera.

When I take a picture I can see a red hue on the bottom, and I can see it in the gallery.

But when I close the gallery and reopen the picture, the red is gone...

I managed go get a picture of it. This seems to be one of the better ones.
[One (M8) General] luigi311:
Looks pitch black to me on my m7

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Lol you would be surprised how much people were saying this in the m7 threads about how they should of gone with a 8 UP camera instead.... I've said it so many times and I still don't think people understand how this whole UltraPixel thing works, they think of it as a whole new technology that is different from megapixels
[One (M8) General] Darkseth:
I can clearly see that red stuff on the bottom.
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
I must be blind because I don't see it either.
[One (M8) General] the_eclectic1:
I see ghosts. LOL.

Joking. I see the red too.
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
Maybe I need to examine it on my TV, its not showing on my M8. Too bad I'm lazy right now.
[One (M8) General] Darknites:
I can see it on the M8 but is a bit hard to see. Here a pic with saturation boost.
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
Oh I see that now.

Giving me M7 flash backs =/

If it has that in the pictures, consider replacing it before the sensor goes completely south and you end up with a useless camera like the M7.
[One (M8) General] Darknites:
Its quicksh0t pic but I don't think the camera is broke since it looks more of a fire effect that is running when it shouldn't.
[One (M8) General] xxquicksh0txx:
I found that it disappears in the gallery because the screen brightness returns to normal.

I also have a deal pixel, but wasn't going to return it just for that. I'd hate to have a red camera again.

Going to run to T-Mobile later today.
[One (M8) General] eallan:
You can think of it like that if you want, but its not accurate. Its a megapixel, just bigger.
[One (M8) General] luigi311:
That's exactly what I think it is. I was saying other people think of it differently
[One (M8) General] salekinraju:
yup, you're right
[One (M8) General] Dannyada1988:
The dual-camera seems amazing. And I have seen the test photo from cnet, the photo looks nice. I am now consider to update my htc one x to the M8.
[One (M8) General] clockwork.satan:
Do it! There's a crapload of negativity about the M8's camera being 'only' 4MP but in reality it's absolutely brilliant. If those folks want to take super hi-res photos to put on websites etc, they should buy themselves a DSLR.

I love EVERYTHING about the M8. The screen, Sense 6, the smoothness/power and those speakers... Those amazing speakers!
[One (M8) General] SkinBintin:
Figure ill chip in. HTC One M8 recently launched here in NZ, and I've had one about 24hrs. Previous couple phones were iPhones so that's what I compare my experience to.

This phone is super powerful and is really smooth to use. There are a couple moments when it seems a touch jerky, but that's just comparing it to an iPhone running iOS 7 where there's numerous animations to hide loading times and the likes. Over all it's great.

Build quality seems a touch iffy. My volume rocker rattles which really annoys me and I'm tempted to get it replaced because of it, but in worried about winding up with one that's worse. Over all, it's nice. The design is excellent overall though.

The screen is bright enough and looks good from wide viewing angles. Also operates quite well in bright sun light etc.

The camera. It's not the best. Doesn't take the greatest photos ever, but its good enough for a phone where I only take quick snaps for Instsgram and the likes. Besides, any attempt at quality photos will be done on my DSLR anyway. So hasn't really been an issue. No I will say, the camera is MUCH better than I had expected. So that's a positive.

After my short experience with the phone so far, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to others. iPhone fans might have a tough time adapting to Android, but given a chance this phone will wow them.

Very happy overall.
[One (M8) General] billyho7993:
It amazes me when people complain about the quality of pics on a PHONE cuz to be honest I'm just glad to have that option on a device that doesn't need it so be happy with what you got and if you want quality pictures go buy a CAMERA cuz that's what they are made for
[One (M8) General] southernstyle:
the fact that HTC is only doing a simple upgrade disappoints me. They build solid phones, but they aren't being innovative. I hate Samsung phones, but they bring new features with every release. You can't compete with Apple fans by joining Apple's production. Apple puts the same phone out every year, upgrading the processor and gpu.. and Apple people eat that sh*t alive. You can't sell me the same phone twice, I'm not a stupid consumer. I didn't catch the name of the user who posted about the crappy radios in HTC, but in HTC's defense, they build their phones for GSM and I think when they try to convert them to CDMA, things just get compromised. That's purely opinion, but I strongly believe it.
[One (M8) General] Sloth:
This ^^^^^^ it's a phone not a camera lol
[One (M8) General] Riff76:
To each their own on the camera. Seems that the LTE took better pics. Everyone that is leaving, please make your own good bye thread
[One (M8) General] ED2O9:
I've read this comment made here before and it doesn't make any more sense this time. Based on your logic: Why have a faster processor? Why have a screen with a ridiculous resolution? Why have a GPS? IT'S A PHONE!!!! I just read an article that said that digital point-and-shoot cameras will be non-existent within a few years because phone camera quality has increased so rapidly and no one wants to carry a second device. Just because your PHONE has additional features beyond making voice calls, it doesn't mean we shouldn't be content with those features being poor quality. Those features are what separates one brand of phone from the next. It's also what makes consumers buy a specific phone and keeps the manufacturers out of chapter 11.
[One (M8) General] billyho7993:
It makes perfect sense you get what they give you and if you don't like it then don't buy it you know what your getting before you buy it...the fact that people buy a phone for the camera baffles me cuz your not a professional photographer and if you are and are using a camera on your phone for that then you need a new profession cuz your retarded...as far as this camera mine takes quality, clear pictures for what I use it for and if yours doesn't then you need to either get a new one or move on
[One (M8) General] XaoSilentrzk:
EVO LTE was a very solid device. Sense 4 was just too aggressive for it. HTC one camera is better than EVO LTE camera tho. I just dislike all these QC issues HTC always has. The pink tint issue is a very common issue this gen
[One (M8) General] FrostyF7:
Can't we all stop arguing and get along? It's just a phone guys so take it or leave it :)
[One (M8) General] Riff76:
Yeah I prefer we argue about sprint and tethering
[One (M8) General] flex360:
gotta love the HTC apologists

when youre paying premium price for a phone , you would expect at least 8MP

id love to hear your justification for a 4 "Ultra Pixel" camera. id love to have customers like you guys who i can sell any piece of crap to

and youll turn around and defend it lol. how can you defend a 4MP camera on a 700 dollar phone?? seriously?

ive taken countless number of photos with this htc one and i hated all of them

i will be selling it next month anyway

just in time for my sprint one up upgrade for the nexus 5

M8 will disappoint
[One (M8) General] ronniemayo:
User error maybe??? If you know anything about cameras you would know that having a good sensor is more important than mp. You had a window to play with the phone and from day one you didn't like the camera so why not return it then? They only put mp info on cameras because they know people are driven by numbers. But hey what do I know?
[One (M8) General] BMP7777:
N5 is already disappointing:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...-it-is-releases-a-new-set-of-ads-praising-it/

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/11/25/nexus-5-review/

But, hey, it's your money and you can do what you want with it. Not for nothing, but why start a thread about this if everyone's opinions are pissing you off? Just a question.... don't add me to the list. And by the way, I DO NOT defend this device, although it is one of the best I've owned. I just think expecting a top notch camera is not realistic, even if you should be able to for the money.
[One (M8) General] XaoSilentrzk:
Douche fail... BeanStalk 4.4.... Tethering like a mofo son
[One (M8) General] Riff76:
I'm not trying to get anyone to stay with HTC (I can't stand Jason Dunn but still a Sense fan), just asking for the S600 phones and comparable chipsets, are the competitors really that much better?
[One (M8) General] Zoolander99:
Oh look! Kao got banned again! Good riddance...
[One (M8) General] marksedge:
Man ...that's it .....it's .......I don't wanna Say it. ......but ........

Iphone time !!!!!!!!! Yeaahhhh!!!!!!

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Haha I kid
[One (M8) General] THADDIUS25:
Non of the specs are official, why is eveyone going crazy. Smh
[One (M8) General] sgt. slaughter:
Errrr you "paid premium price for 4UP" with this phone so are you talking about yourself in your post there?.....
[One (M8) General] Riff76:
Not getting banned fail
[One (M8) General] Andlu15:
I'm an HTC fan but a 4 mp camera on a flagship device means that it is over for them. Besides, there's no selling point over Samsung as samcrap would have a metal body as well.

sent from my HTC one mini
[One (M8) General] flex360:
i really dont understand how people can accept such a crappy camera

and turn around to defend it
[One (M8) General] tommason1968:
The only thing I would like to see is removable storage
[One (M8) General] pmacevad:
Looks like the UK is getting just that...

As for the phone, maybe I'm not up to speed, but this phone is the best phone I've ever owned. Camera could be better but in the end it's a phone. If I know I'm going to take pics I use my digital camera. Even with this phone having a 4 mp camera it takes better pictures then any device I've owned. Just my $0.02.

Sent from my rooted & s-off'd HTC One, powered by Android Jelly Bean v4.3 :)
[One (M8) General] fr0st420:
I'm getting it for sure. Love the camera on my One.
[One (M8) General] SuperiorEVOlution18:
Sad to see even so called developers balking about MP on cameras. Seriously even any half educated NOVICE would know when it comes to quality it's about the SENSOR and NOT the Damn MP. Come on seriously. Don't like it? Leave and Shut it Lmao seriously
[One (M8) General] Riff76:
Word

The max has an SD card slot so that's a good sign. Jason Dunn is stubborn like that to think nobody wants it. I have at least 3 long time iPhone user friends that are switching to galaxy because of the SD card slot. Could have moved to HTC if they had it
[One (M8) General] Andlu15:
Yes the sensor is important to capture more light but seriously I can't even take a freaking clear picture in class without having to go up to the front of the class and literally stand right in front of the board thanks to the four mp camera. Mp allows you to zoom in without making it too blurry and that is why it is important.

sent from my HTC one mini
[One (M8) General] flex360:
when have i ever called myself a developer

if you know that i make roms, you should have read my thread and at the bottom i clearly said that i am not a dev

oh wait youre just like the other idiots who dont read

and i paid MY MONEY for MY PHONE. I can say whatever I want...who are you?

you cant tell me to shut it when it comes to something I own and bought with my hard earned money
[One (M8) General] tommason1968:
That's right, it's still a Damn good phone.
[One (M8) General] husker91:
I don't believe he said anything about you? So why reply to it if you don't think you're a developer? Lol

Anywho, the camera on this phone is subpar no doubt, but it's been good for what I need. If I want to take great pictures I don't typically use my phone.
[One (M8) General] pbedard:
I moved on to the LG g2 then maybe getting the g flexx
[One (M8) General] phillip1953:
I bought an HTC One a couple days ago via Amazon's 1 cent sale. Pictures are fine by me, even in low light (no purple/red shading), but I'm selling my camera because it keeps dropping phone calls. ;)
[One (M8) General] SuperiorEVOlution18:
When was my post ever pointed at you? Show me where a said Flex? Oh yeah I DIDN'T. And didn't read? I've read the whole thread so maybe you shouldn't flame things you don't know about, pretty idiotic. I never personally attacked anyone. Unlike you that is. So yes you paid for your phone KNOWING It was only a 4mp camera and then ***** about that same camera you knew you were getting? Makes sense I guess. So you must be like the other egomaniacal idiot "I dev but I'm not a dev" dev that has to jump into a Pissing contest online. No wait I don't know that because I don't "know" you. See? Easy to assume isn't it? You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine. Your unhappy with the camera, I'm ok with mine. You care about MPs I'd rather have an 8ish MP with a GREAT sensor, I'm not a "take lots of photos" guy. So yeah done with my response. Old saying applies well here... When you assume you make an Ass outta...

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No I actually agree. 4MP is a bit of a laugh. Especially for zoom. But others calling for a 41MP is a but unnecessary, I'd love a 8-13 with a great sensor. But in all honesty I could care less about great cameras. Give me a suped up desktop in my hand for real. And more then anything BETTER BATTERIES!!!!!!

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My point exactly. I've actually used his "work" before and liked it a lot really. Lmao hilarious

But I'm with you on the Phone point. Thanks btw
[One (M8) General] naturecannon:
Well that's too bad. Major fail in my book. Although I had no purple/color issues... I absolutely hated the zoom and it was a must not to use for quality. I actually had to go buy a separate point and shot camera (first time in years) with this phone. The Wife's dated GS3 takes better pics.

Camera was my only complaint with the One
[One (M8) General] sgt. slaughter:
At the same time, I don't understand why those that hate it so much didn't return it and more so have still stuck around here when there are other options to choose from....
[One (M8) General] SuperiorEVOlution18:
I know depending on where you bought it from you had like anywhere from 1-4 weeks to decide and swap it for free for anything else. Even just one week is enough to come to a conclusion on the camera quality and zoom quality. More so if it really is that big a deal to people. I mean I knew within a day the camera would the weak part but compared to my EVO it was light years better and I absolutely love everything else about it. For me it's a win. Although I would definitely love to see even an 8MP version of this ULTRA pixel camera with an upgraded sensor. But I see people everywhere freaking about these specs and it's all still very far from the official specs for the final device. It's very possible that was a very early prototype they were testing and used some of the Ones guts. We can all make our own decisions when it's released. Will give HTC props for timely updates though, still would Like to to see proper kernel source.
[One (M8) General] naturecannon:
I purchased the one for phone calls and have enjoyed the phone very much. Camera is a bonus with a phone for me..... but camera is not as good as what most others offer with a phone for sure. Come on its 2013, 4 mega pixels with the ultra pixel label jargon. Like all products, there is a thing or two people often dislike about it.

I always said, If it were me I would make the perfect phone, laptop etc... but wait.... would it be perfect for You, guess there is no such thing as perfect. My N7 is perfect or is it..... cam has no flash haha

Anyways, I don't believe HTC will bring the same camera Specs to the M8. It would get killed in all the first initial reviews if so and most definitely keep it from a potential number 1 position.
[One (M8) General] dafluke24:
Everyone needs to relax and get one of these. Never had issues with either of them. Well maybe a little hard to put in my pocket. That's what my man purse is for.
[One (M8) General] kalapa:
lmao!! If they roll out 4.4 kitkat on the Nokia I'm in!:laugh: