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[One (M8) General] Roefastford:
Yeah I"am not real happy about the camera either they could have raised the ultra pixels some, as far as I"am concerned camera is no better than the m7.

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Did you drop yours ? Mine has no gaps at all. Also did you have yours in a case ? Also do you listen to high bass song at max volume ? That could be the reason mine still sounds as good as day one and I listen to rock at just below max. I just dont max it out with high bass, as that can toast any speaker even sub woofers over time and a sub woofer they are not.
[One (M8) General] BamAlmighty:
Ultra pixel, super pixel, duper pixel, fan fing tastic pixel, call it whatever you want at the end of the day it is still only 4 megapixels.

It absolutely blows my mind HTC just doesn't get it! They didn't learn anything from the EVO 3D, the last HTC one Ultrapixel bull crap, now the same ultra pixel crap with another camera sensor for lytro style focusing. People don't want a stupid gimmick, they want a non gimmicky sensor that simply takes good pics, which comes down to a good sensor with the megapixels to back it up.

Not to mention the stupid bezel that makes the phone taller than it needs to be just so they have a place for their logo.

Great job HTC, another year you won't be making a profit that matters.
[One (M8) General] epsix:
Reason I past m7 last year and get sg4 because they didn't release it on time before my vacation. Just got z1s a month ago, and will definitely not passing on m8.
[One (M8) General] arses:
I never found why Htc is insisting on 4 ultra pixel camera?

Fortunately, my m7 doesnt have purple but Its my question.

Why not Dual 16 mp camera?

I really cant understand.

sent by myself without help :))
[One (M8) General] mmmajor:
Idk why everbody is complaining..the camera on the M7 wasnt that bad..but then again, I use my phone as a PHONE and not to have photo shoots. .if u want a phone for photography buy the Nokia and move on..the main selling point for HTC is the build quality..thats what I'm buying it for..stop expecting phone companys to build the perfect phone..if they did it would cost alot more and woudnt be afordable..just my honest opinion..
[One (M8) General] Div033:
This. I recently found out that HTC used Lithium-Polymer as opposed to Ion for the battery, and I couldn't really figure out why they'd pay the extra expense just to have the device be potentially thinner than if they used Li-Ion...

But that's just it. They're not looking to make the perfect smartphone in all ways, they're looking to establish their brand as the best built smartphone. Choosing Li-Po over Li-Ion shows that they were NOT willing to compromise build quality, but still wanted a bigger battery to combat the complaints from the M7. When it came down to it, I bet they saw improving the battery life was a higher priority than improving the camera, and thus shelled out more for more expensive and slimmer batteries.

I'm just speculating here, but speculation is fun.
[One (M8) General] blestsol:
I can't understand the logic people use saying if you want a good camera get a real camera.. That's wild. IPhone has a nice camera, SGS5 has a nice camera along with others. You telling me it's bad for wanting a good camera on a phone that's great in other aspects??
[One (M8) General] chalid:
Too bad HTC still has the same idiots in the front seat. I really love sense UI and I do think that the aluminium body is a nice change. But for the love of God, why on earth did they go with that horrible, horrible camera AGAIN. It was bad in the M7 and it's still bad in the M8. Seriously, who needs those stupid effect shots? Even worse: The effects aren't even applied properly half the time, with artifacts and other quaity issues on the edges of items. Why release such a terribly flawed feature?

And of course the black bar on the bottom of the screen is completely pointless. The phone is way too tall this way. Even the M7 was too large for the 4.7 inch screen, when compared to the Samsung Galaxy S4.

Looking back, the tweet about buyer's remorse after the SGS5 presentation is now even more stupid https://twitter.com/htc/status/438033001083990016/photo/1
[One (M8) General] sameer1807:
I was close to buying the m7 last year over the s4 but was hesitant about the camera..this year, I wanted to get the m8 over the s5 but again, camera is making me look otherwise..over the course of my phones, I take about 2-3k pictures in a 1.5 year time frame and I feel I won't be satisfied with them taken by the m8..deciding bet s5 and z2
[One (M8) General] Frankie1588:
It all comes down to personal preference. It sounds like the S5 might be the better phone for you. I personally would never consider the S5 because I can't get a plastic phone after owning an M7. Again...all personal preference.
[One (M8) General] anaskr:
LG G3

why not wait for LG G3 ? LG G2 is so under rated... never buy a samsung though. (personally hate it)
[One (M8) General] amenic:
This thread is fail. The HTC One was one of if not the top phone of 2013. Read the Internet's.

not innovative? Are you kidding? They are like the only company trying. They are motivated because they are looking from the outside in.
[One (M8) General] dondavis007:
Wee are the good d@mn pics? Bring them on, flame the camera somewhere else please.

Sent from a mobile Gadget...
[One (M8) General] Nippero:
No idea why people whine about the 4MP that much. Do you guys print large pictures from your phone or something? lol

The only thing I care about is the freaking purple tint. If thats gone, I'll be happy. Also looking forward to trying the depth sensor features, seems like a fun way to get shallow DoF w/ bokeh when I dont have my DSLR.

And to the guys complaining about the HTC logo taking up space, did you ever consider the fact that the internals wouldn't even fit in a smaller/shorter frame? Might as well throw the HTC logo there instead of leaving a blank space.
[One (M8) General] rotchcrocket04:
I haven't heard anything about this yet for the M8. Mine is fantastic and color accuracy and intensity has definitely been improved over the M7.

There was also speculation that they dropped the OIS because that was somehow related to the purple tint issue. Just speculation though.
[One (M8) General] porkaysi:
Ois is not needed with focus times as fast as they are now (no replacing ois but it's not needed) apple, Samsung, and htc decided not to put it in there flagship. Htc dropped the ball with the htc one camera, phone hands down woulda been top phone if they put an updated camera sensor. Still only a 1/3 sensor size vs 1/2.6 (s5) and 2.3 (z2). While if camera is no issue the one is probably best phone to buy but I believe the s5 gonna have a significant camera advantage.
[One (M8) General] blestsol:
I think most of the complaining is wanting to point click and shoot and get good pics. . And zooming in. Zooming in... Looks really really bad.
[One (M8) General] chalid:
Sorry, but that "print-argument" is pointless. I'm looking at my photos on the 24 inch computer screen and you can clearly see differences in quality. No need to print the pictures to see that.

Additionally, many people crop images after taking them, leaving a 4MP picture even smaller. With an 13+MP image ypu can crop the crap out of the picture and still have enough pixels to resize it to 4MP, ending up with a much clearer image.

I feel reminded of the first iPhone. It had a really crappy camera and all the fanboy were like "hey, you don't take pictures with your phone anyway". But guess what - you do. No the iPhone is leading in camera quality on the smartphone market and it's the most used device on flickr.

Sure, but that's just bad engineering. Take a look at Samsung or LG. They manage to cramp the same hardware into much smaller casings.
[One (M8) General] Nippero:
Hm thats an interesting rumor, I never would've thought OIS could mess with that.

OIS has nothing to do with focus speed. OIS compensates for your hand shaking when you take longer exposures (shutter speed).

Maybe its just the way I use my phone camera. Facebook, instagram, snapchat, etc. I almost never have to crop my images (except for Instagram's square cropping).

I also have a 27" 2560x1440 resolution monitor and the 4MP pictures dont bother me. Yea its not perfectly sharp with 0 noise, but I haven't seen a phone camera who can do this anyway. Other phones with higher megapixel counts and smaller sensors just end up having more noise. iPhone images in dim rooms are much noisier than images from the HTC One, so in these situations the whole "ultrapixel" idea does pay off. But the iPhone does better in perfect lighting because "ultrapixels" are not necessary and the extra resolution is desirable. So its a trade-off either way.

In the end, we're using subpar lenses on a tiny sensor. The only camera phones that have impressed me are the Nokia ones.

iPhone, Samsung, etc, all look the same to me. Typical smartphone quality images that capture the moment.

I think this might be an issue of the grass always being greener on the other side.

Look carefully, LG G2 also wastes space for the LG logo at the bottom. Samsung S5 has the button taking up space down there. If the HTC One didnt have its two speakers, it would probably end up being the same size as those other two phones.

I do wish that HTC kept the buttons on that bar though, so as to not waste space on the screen..
[One (M8) General] chalid:
Sure, not everybody needs a good camera on their phone. And to be honest, I'm using the camera of my Galaxy S4 not too often. But still - sometimes I do and it's those times I want the best possible result without too much compromise. And having the possibility to crop large 13 MP pictures is simply nice to have, because I don't stand there holding my phone for 2 minutes aiming for the perfect shot. I take the phone out of my pocket, start the camera with a swipe, point and shoot.

And don't forget: Resizing larger images from other phones often result in MUCH clearer pictures with less noise.

Here's a photo of the blur-effect: http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/htc-one-m8/camera/gsmarena_002.jpg If you ask me, it's horrible. Look at the edges of the sign. That's one of many picutres I've seen in various reviews and previews with this exact problem.

Yes, you are right. There is space on pretty much every phone below the screen. But imho there's only a real problem with the HTC One M8, because it's much taller than other phones with these specs. Speakers or not - that should have been done better. Keeping the buttons below the screen (3 buttons not 2!) would have been much better - especially for the onscreen space.
[One (M8) General] Rippley05:
I agree. The g2 kills the M8 and most other phones out right now. Camera is a disappointment on the new One, sadly.
[One (M8) General] Nippero:
Ouch.. that blur effect really is pretty bad. Limitations of the depth sensor I suppose?

I dont understand how noise improves when you crop an image though. Am I misunderstanding you?

You said focus speed makes OIS unnecessary. Thats not true. You're confusing focus speed with shutter speed.
[One (M8) General] chalid:
Regarding the size of the HTC One M8: It's almost as tall as the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and acutally closer to the Note than to the Galaxy S4.

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No, you're not misunderstanding. There are different image scaling methods. Depending on which is used (typically bilinear or bicubic interpolation), noise will get smoothed out when downsizing an image.

Here is an example:

The Galaxy S4 image got resized to match the size of the HTC One (M7) image. Although the full size image has higher noise levels (http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/htc-one-vs-galaxy-s4/update/camera/gsmarena_006.jpg) in the resized image it's not that visible (but of course not completely gone).
[One (M8) General] blestsol:
I feel like you guys are really defending the camera hard... It's not grass always greener. It's just not wanting below average point and clicks.. I mean I'm still trying it out tomorrow in hopes of it just being overblown but I'm pretty sure it isn't.
[One (M8) General] porkaysi:
My apology about that I did mean shutter. I'm not saying ois doesn't help but with the r&d time apple, Sammy and htc put into cameras for them not to use it means ois is not the key ingredient to good camera phone. Had a nokia 1520 huge sensor and the most advanced ois system on a camera phone and if the object was moving I would have blurred images due to the fact the focus took along time (prolly 2 seconds) to focus. If the object is still it was very easy but a lot of users spend a lot of time of taking photos with movement so the advantage was negligible.

Also Samsung has a re focus feature, do they have a depth sensors next to the flash or does the camera take multiple photos at different focuses
[One (M8) General] Nippero:
But thats downsizing, not cropping.

My point is people are bashing it hard. For typical situations where you use a camera phone, I love the M7's camera (until it started getting purple tint).

Yea okay, I see your point. And while OIS is definitely a great feature for full sized cameras (providing up to a 2-3 stop difference on some DSLRs), they're probably not too effective in camera phones due to the small size.
[One (M8) General] chalid:
Right ... I misread your question as you misread mine ;) I said resizing is reducing the noise. Cropping isn't of course.
[One (M8) General] Nippero:
Ah-hah.. lol
[One (M8) General] gavinfabl:
I have a Note 3, iPhone 5S, HTC One M8, HTC One M7, Sony Z1, Z1 Compact , and using the M8 for the first time today it was better than expected..

4mp is never going to beat 13mp for detail but it is a surprise. And it is nowhere as bad as some of the reviews make out. In fact it excels at what it was designed for .

I would use my Note 3 for landscapes. 5S for anything except low light, Z1 and Z1 Compact if I wanted to go insane and the M8 to get good all round images in most conditions for quick social sharing.
[One (M8) General] mushages:
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[One (M8) General] WhiteHartMart:
Comparison below doesn't seem to paint such a bleak picture as some :p I'm no photography expert, but in the main, I think I'd be ok with the results the M8 produces.

http://btekt.com/comparisons/394/ca...tc-one-iphone-5s-lumia-1020-xperia-z1-compact
[One (M8) General] vegetaleb:
Nice comparison, so the M8 is a good shooter but not an excellent one.

I can't wait for a comparison with S5 and Z2
[One (M8) General] rushless:
Where is the info about what MP setting for the other devices? Reviews and own store tests sum up the M8 does a good job with small frame pictures but is noisy for pictures if blown up to a typical picture frame size. They should have put an 8MP and did away with the more gimmicky lens, and then could keep image stabilization and made a less tall device.
[One (M8) General] globalgpj:
Rumor has it that there is going to be a good 16MP camera M8 variant in Asia. Not the same type as currently being used. Google it.

So your wish may come true for a higher pixel camera, but not the same type.

Most people are finding the current one is not too bad.

It all depends on what your need for the camera is.

There has been a lot of good explanations of HTC's decision to go with this camera.

Saying that, a 8MP version of the current camera would be great !
[One (M8) General] giorat23:
The G2 camera isnt as good at all.. The M8 lens and sensor specs are much better. Megapixels doesnt matter.
[One (M8) General] slaveonepunx:
I was an early adopter of the M7 and bought the developers edition first week and dealt with the delays. I really loved the phone and form factor and lack of SD was not a concern with 64GB on board.

The camera worked well enough for me most times. The event that showed me how lacking it performed was at a Killers concert when I tried to take some pictures to upload to Facebook. I was probably only 10 people back from the stage and almost nothing was usable. My wife's LG Optimus G Pro and son's Sony TL took better pictures along with a friend and her S3. Of course this is because we had to crop the photos to "zoom" in on the stage. The 4 ultra pixels just don't have the headroom to do this.

Yes, I have a decent p&s, a Canon HS230 and HS260 and cheap compact mirror less Sony Nex-3 but I would never bring one to a concert because protruding lenses and bobbing bodies are a bad idea. But in this instance I missed out on capturing some memories which made me sad. There are times where it's nice to have a bit of digital zoom without having to carry a phone and standalone camera.

I sold my One M7 shortly afterwards and bought a Note 3 which did take better photos but I hated it nonetheless. Sold the Note after less than two months and am using a Moto X now which has a form factor close to my old One which I love but I have the ability to zoom a little when I need to.

I am going to have to go into an AT&T store and try the M8 out in person before passing final judgement. Otherwise, waiting to see what else comes down the pipeline since I have no interest in the S5.
[One (M8) General] homer285:
Wow you must carry around a rucksack!:laugh:
[One (M8) General] globalgpj:
I know what you mean. I was at a great jazz venue and all I could take was purple haze photos. Really bummed about that.

As I am a HTC fan, I am going to look at one of the Asian variants of the M8 which is purported to come with a 16MP camera.

Otherwise, if that doesn't happen, I may look at Sony's Xperia Z2, which is coming out shortly. Great reviews on this smart phone all around.
[One (M8) General] gavinfabl:
I've been comparing my M7 and M8 photos. The M8 photos are much better.
[One (M8) General] globalgpj:
Again for those interested in a 16MP variant of the M8, see this...

http://www.androidbeat.com/2014/03/...rmation-on-hardware-and-pricing/#.Uzd1i8sZ7qA
[One (M8) General] UgXvibe:
I don't know... That article is kinda old (in the tech world). I was actually the first commenter on that story. We know what happened after that.
[One (M8) General] Raintitan:
The camera situation can be pretty confusing.

I put this together to try to sum up the good and bad with Ultrapixels: http://bit.ly/1jJVNwU

-R
[One (M8) General] daorderdillon:
HTC One M8 Mini may launch in May - HTC One M8 Mini may launch in May

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/AndroidNewsGoogleAndroidForums/~3/5GlH1KGTe60/
[One (M8) General] jagrave:
So you can take one of the pics taken and blow it up to a 9x5 and not lose any detail? How much can you zoom and crop before you loose detail? I'm a little confused on that? I'm debating between this phone and the S5.
[One (M8) General] the_eclectic1:
You have less margin to zoom and crop since you only have 4mp to play with. Take the photo as you mean to frame it later.
[One (M8) General] jagrave:
Some of the articles vs what people on here are saying is confusing. Like that article said you can blow a pic up to a 9x5, and that's pretty big isn't it? And this is suppose to be WITHOUT losing detail. Is that true?
[One (M8) General] gavinfabl:
Have a look at my ever expanding M8 Flickr set https://www.flickr.com/photos/gavinfabl100/sets/72157643265004874/

Look good to me.
[One (M8) General] deniros:
Does the m8 have a better camera for better pictures than the galaxy nexus?

If so it will be good enough for me.
[One (M8) General] blestsol:
Yes it is.

Sent from my HTCM8
[One (M8) General] Arthur Hucksake:
By a huge huge margin too.
[One (M8) General] UgXvibe:
Photography blog review with a positive vibe.. :) http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/htc_one_m8_review/
[One (M8) General] Sidewindr:
All you complaining about 4MP are missing the point ..

I have had smart phones since they were PDA's and the initial inclusion of a camera was nice but more of a fancy bit of bling to go on the old phone .. they took ok (considering the technology at the time) pics in good strong light. But!!! the biggest frustration for me all the way from the old XDA's up to the HD etc. and the first Android phones was that the majority of the times you end up wanting to take an impromptu photograph you are somewhere where the lighting is not all that great like a pub, bar, club, restaurant, under a street lamp, etc. you get the idea and they didn't have a flash either.

Then I got my HD2 and it had a monster flash in it which worked rather well and while not taking studio quality pics it did allow me to use the camera in situations where most of us (I would wager) pretty much most of the time took pictures.. In poor lighting conditions .... I don't understand why the whiners in this thread cannot see what HTC are trying to do...

By using these larger pixels they get a massive improvement in 80-85% of normal lighting situations with a trade off against pixel density which in all reality you really don't need that pixel density unless you are using the images for some purpose like high quality large format printing or projection where higher pixel density is needed .. it is not needed if the image has more than twice the pixels already at 4MP than a FullHD TV (2MP) and even has more pixels than a 27" Monitor at 2560x1440 (3.7MP)...

Basically, you end up with a bloody good phone, the best Integration UI, etc. AND!!!! a camera that can take quite reasonable pictures FOR A PHONE!! in around 80% more life situations than any phone camera could do before.. Why would you put a 16MP or 20MP sensor in a device if the only reasonable pictures it could take were in situations where you happened to have remembered to bring along your pocket portable sun to light the subjects of the photograph.
[One (M8) General] Sidewindr:
I have my old Diamond2 here one of the only old phones with a battery still in it and it's an 1100mAh :D
[One (M8) General] SolarTrans:
iPhone 5s=1570mAh :D
[One (M8) General] BlackJin10dan:
LOL
[One (M8) General] andrewnelson:
camera's guality is great.
[One (M8) General] warfexion:
Camera is fine imo, just don't blow up photos and your fine. Very good low light performance.
[One (M8) General] andrewnelson:
I think HTC One M8 has better then nexus for camera.
[One (M8) General] jirald:
Love the htc m8 camera...unlike the m7 that sucks...I completely disagree when someone say its the same
[One (M8) General] clockwork.satan:
It's not all about how many Megapixels that can be stuffed into new phones, y'know? HTC have taken a brave decision to take a different approach and I think it's paid off.
[One (M8) General] eallan:
You can disagree, but the sensor is absolutely the same, minus OIS
[One (M8) General] keithross39:
Have read this thread from start to finish as the M8 is one of my upgrade options in a few months time......

Yes 4mp is not what *could* be expected of a 2014 flagship device.....

But.....

Having worked in the photo processing industry for nearly 10 years, I can safely say that it IS just enough to produce a 10"x7" print with reasonable quality provided the image hasn't been cropped too heavily. I also have experience in taking photos....I purchased an early DSLR which boasted a whopping 5MP.....

As a result of this, I can categorically agree that the megapixel rating really is just one part of the picture (no pun intended)......one of my 5MP jpeg images went on to produce a very satisfactory 20"x30" full colour print with negligible pixelation.....even close up....obviously the high quality optics in front of the sensor played a part....but bear in mind that the sensor itself was pretty much first gen CMOS, aps-c sized......and everything has technologically improved since then.....

I'm not saying you should try to get poster sized prints from the M8....just trying to illustrate the point that it ain't as bad as the naysayers are telling you......
[One (M8) General] ILS_SuperNova:
Well said!! I have no photography experience at all but the results I'm getting from this camera have impressed me a lot!! After having 13mp and 20mp camera phones . . . It just shows MP are not everything! My past phones couldn't take photos as quick as this one!