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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] ghostyroasty:
It's not the bricking, it is the tripping the counter that worries me. My wife is having some charging issues with hers, and it is rooted, but not on kit Kat yet. As for me, we have three kids under three, anything can happen.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] kjjm:
Actually, from what I've read and from my own experience, flashing the ND8 modem on the MD4 bootloader is OK. Flashing it on MK3 resulted in bricked phones. That said, it's just as well that Cnexus removed the ND8 modem because many people don't seem to be aware of what bootloader they have. But I have noticed an improvement since flashing it.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] flastnoles11:
Actually I think you've got that a little mixed up, the only people that bricked flashed the nd8 modem on the mk3 bootloader... I've not seen one instance where someone on the md4 bootloader bricked flashing the modem... I even ran it for about 4 days on the md4 bootloader before upgrading the nd8
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] bilgerryan:
My bad I meant MK3. Can I blame autocorrect?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] flastnoles11:
I do all the time! Lol
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] IcecreamBob:
Can someone help me understand:

I rebooted my phone with power+home+voldown

first line:

ODIN in red

About 4 or 5 other lines, nothing about warranty bit.

Do I have KNOX?

Also, what's the new process to put Cyanogen mod on my Samsung Galaxy S3 (SCH-I535PP)?

I have 4.3 android, and a stock verizon S3 (prepaid).

The Cyanogen Mod installer said device not supported.

Any suggestions / help / understanding / comments?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] bilgerryan:
So you're rooted stock? Because if you're on Stock 4.3 not rooted then you have Knox.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] hami497:
can someone tell me that can i flash custom roms using custom recovery with knox bootloader. i really dont care about the knox counter getting because my warranty time period is finished
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] bilgerryan:
Yep, sure can
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Xantho99:
Did you ever get Cyanogen mod on your SCH-I535PP? My wife just bought one and I'm trying to figure it out.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] IcecreamBob:
I'm sorry, but I didn't. I got caught up in the whole locking-bit bootloader FUD and just decided that I didn't want to mess with something that I didn't understand. The truth is it probably works, but again I don't understand the process and cause and effect of bricking your phone due to firmware replacement (introduced via KNOX) so I just use stock.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] :
chances make champions :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] g_money:
Lol. Like that....

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Edge-Case:
This feature should be available upon request,

that sounds like a cheap excuse to keep us from reseting the counter and getting the warranty. Or least a "ha ha" to those who tried to mess with it and it brickes their phone, idk . Ima conspericy theorist kinda guy.

We are in a locked down corporate environment, its called The United States of America.

(well, for those of us in the U.S.)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Chad The Pathfinder:
Eventually I think we'll be able to modify Knox in some way to be actually useful. I like the thought of a secure device but I want complete and full control of MY device.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] catnapped:
The problem of course if you give the people that don't need it an 'out', the ones that the feature(?) is marketed towards will also be turning it off.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] LuigiBull23:
Couldn't agree more.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] ericjmcpherson:
Why is it so important to Samsung and Sprint to screw us over with this BS? Glad it didn't somehow get pushed to my phone.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] griceboi926:
Awesome info!!!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] RootUserDWR:
"Those who would trade in their Freedom for their Protection deserve neither."

- Benjamin Franklin -
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] RootUserDWR:
KNOX is here for 3 reasons.

1. To protect carrier investments

2. To allow government and corporate securities

3. To push Developer Edition devices

None of these reasons are (Joe Public) consumer friendly. Most regular consumers will not know the difference.

!!!... Ignorance is Bliss...!!!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] jeffgus:
Ummm... I kinda like KNOX. It prevents someone in the IT dept from accidentally remote wiping my device.

Just recently a colleague of mine had his phone wiped by the IT dept. It was an accident. KNOX prevents that kind of accident.

BYOD is here to stay. I am happy that Samsung is trying to figure out a way to keep corporate IT out of my personal stuff.

Yes, there are downsides. And I may end up hating KNOX if someone figures out a better way.

(edit)

I want to mention that I tried Moxier Mail to get around the remote device wipe. It is a fine app, except for the battery drain. It also didn't integrate as well with the system compared to what I am seeing, so far, with KNOX.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] SebasC:
I'm just curious is there a way to Root the Stock 4.3 (with knox obviously)? if so.. How? I've used CF-Auto-Root in the past
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Trina9:
Thank you for posting a simple explanation of KNOX. Unlike some sites that like to insult people.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Wired0980:
Go to this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2202175

Start at post #1708.

sent from a accidently knoxed up S3
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Swamphound:
I've read that there is a Developer Edition of the Note 3 vwz that is available directly from Samsung. It states on the Sammy website that it has an "unlocked bootloader." Is it truly unlocked or is it running Knox and is there any advantage to getting it?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Epicnole:
Future ROM upgrades

Thanks for the info. Just looking for a little clarification; you said " If you flash a custom rom or custom recovery WHILE on the Knox bootloader, your Knox flag will be tripped and your Warranty Bit will go from 0x0 to 0x1. The Knox bootloader cannot be downgraded..." If I don't care about the warranty can I flash a custom recovery/rom that is an "upgrade", say CM11 or other KitKat based rom or even a custom 4.3 based rom?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] CNexus:
If you don't care about the warranty, then you can flash any android version you want, 4.1.2, 4.4, etc. You just cannot flash stock tars (which contain lower version bootloaders) while on the Knox bootloader.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Epicnole:
If I understand what you are saying Knox really isn't that big of a deal. So long as you don't try to flash an official tar lower than 4.3 you are good to go. If that is the case, once Samsung stops supporting the SIII and it becomes necessary to use CM or any other custom ROM to keep the phone "updated" the fact that you have Knox really won't matter. Just root & flash something 4.3 or greater and carry on.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] biggolfer:
I like the idea of knox in that i can partition off a section of my device. My organization has stringent security for byod and I refuse to give them the ability to wipe or control my device. However I do not want the knox bootloader so i can freely root and flash roms. Do not care about warranty issue at this point.

Can i use 4.3 and knox without the bootloader. Will it work properly if i flash the rom without the knox bootloader but do not remove the apps?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Wired0980:
Won't be able to use Knox unless you are stock i believe. It keeps saying you are not authorized to use knox or something like that.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] biggolfer:
Thanks for the information.

I guess that I will continue to use Outlook Web app (OWA) through browser for work email and calendar. Exporting calendar for device is inconvenient.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] aschaffer35:
Thanks [MENTION=4645794]CNexus[/MENTION] for taking the time to explain this!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] drsn0w:
So...I can still flash Cyanogenmod and MOAR rom and such? I don't give a rats butt about my warranty :P
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] doom_jls:
I too would like to know this as I did the OTA for 4.3.

I am new to flashing the S3 and would really like to try CM but using the cm installer fails.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] livinsacrfice:
Use Touchdown by NitroDesk for Outlook access without letting them be able to wipe your phone. All Outlook data is encapsulated within the app, so IT attempting to wipe your device will just wipe the data associated with the app.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Wired0980:
Not sure about touchwiz cause all I've flashed since I took the ota has been the 4.3 variants. But I know on aosp (cm mod and others) you will need to modify the updater script for the downloaded rom. Add new baseband "L710VPUCMK3" to the ro.bootloader check. It should flash after that.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Mr. Struck:
Removing the assert lines completely works as well on AOSP, just be double sure that you downloaded a ROM for your carrier. In general, probably better to get used to doing these kind of root things yourself than to rely on another program to do it for you, I feel it gives a better understanding of the whole root process and what goes into it.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] SlimMan:
So what information in the about of a phone that has KNOX would indicate such?

Thanks for the info.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Amatteos:
How do I know if I've got Knox or not. I'm currently on a 4.4 cm ROM but I recently updated my firmware to xxugmj9. Does this mean I can't go back to a 4.1 or 4.2 ROM?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Wired0980:
Suppose you could boot into download mode and check for it there
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Mr. Struck:
That is my understanding. There should now be an extra line of info, I think at the bottom, which will show Knox 0x0 or 0x1 if you have that bootloader installed (my condolences if that is the case!); 0x0 means you haven't tripped the flag, and 0x1 means it has been tripped, permanently.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] wally18324:
4.3 update with knox

I know in time this knox issue will be resolved. Why are soo many people worried ? There so many custom roms out there, just waiting to be installed. I myself am running Bam Rom 1.0 REL. ( 4.3.1 ) excellent rom with a little of everything. Also probably with try cyanogen mod. another great rom. Just have to be patient. Thank all the DEVS for the great work.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Epicnole:
From reading several posts in various XDA forums here is what I have gathered:

1. Knox DOES prevent you from loading a stock .tar lower than 4.3 by bricking your phone.

2. Knox DOES NOT prevent you from rooting.

3. Knox DOES NOT prevent you from loading custom recovery.

4. Knox DOES NOT prevent you from running a custom ROM of any kind i.e. any non stock version of 4.1.2, 4.3, 4.4.

5. Rooting with Knox trips the Knox counter and voids your warranty. Warranty is 1yr so after 1yr who cares. Besides, if you "damage" your phone because you were loading ROMs and other such things, Samsung shouldn't be expected to repair or replace your phone.

If what is posted above is correct, why are people so freaked out about Knox? Also, if what I listed above is incorrect, by all means set me straight.

I am still running 4.2.1 and fully intend on rooting and running custom ROMs at some point. At the moment I am debating on running CNexus' 4.3 or updating to stock 4.3. I had my Epic for about 3 1/2 years and ran CM and other ROMs for about 2 years. Custom ROMs can be great and I understand why people root. I just don't understand what is so bad about Knox.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Mr. Struck:
Very well put. My main issue with Knox, or at least the theory, is that it seems very "Big Brother" or at the very least more like something the Apple dictatorship would pull. I don't plan on letting it onto my phone regardless.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Ccrawler:
,,, new be here thought I'd let everyone know how I reverted from 4.3 back to 4.1 no brick. I just need somebody to show me how to post a link that allows you to flash TWRP on to 4.3
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] uscpsycho:
I am on stock rooted 4.1. I want to get to stock rooted 4.3 and I want the free wifi hotspot app to work. Running in circles trying to figure out how to make that happen.

How do we do this injecting of 4.3 and removing of Knox apps?

And which apps are the Knox apps? Isn't there some possibility that in the future a non-Knox app will be updated to become a Knox app?

Are you saying that rooting 4.3 will mess up wifi and/or screen rotation?

Is this all correct?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] billybutterworth:
New guy question

What exactly is a .tar file? And if I am only rooting my phone to install custom recovery and a custom rom, do I need to worry about the .tar stuff? Sorry for the noob question, its just that I am trying to decide whether to do an OTA update to 4.3 or to root and use the CNexus stock 4.3 build.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Wired0980:
I'd do cnexus'. You won't need tar files to flash custom roms. Tar files are stock roms flashable through odin. But I'd avoid the bootloader and get cnexus' stock rom.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Epicnole:
[MENTION=3854829]uscpsycho[/MENTION],

[MENTION=4645794]CNexus[/MENTION] has created a stock Knox-free version of the 4.3 update which can be found here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2541900 There was a issue with screen rotation but that has been fixed.

[MENTION=3120416]ThunderStick[/MENTION] has been kind enough to take CNexus' ROM and simplify the install which can be found here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2549136

As to what I posted about Knox, I believe it to be correct until someone says otherwise.

---------- Post added at 05:34 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:32 AM ----------
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Mr. Struck:
Basic knowledge of .tar files and how to use Odin couldn't hurt. I flash .zip files 99% of the time but occasionally do need to use Odin for some things. Especially if you are not rooted yet, a common method involves using Odin to push a custom recovery .tar file onto your phone and then flashing a .zip file for SuperSU, so like I mentioned originally, having that knowledge doesn't hurt.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] The D3mon:
Thanks for info and work.

Well knewb for androids but can say this everyone needs to read close. At what point do I need knox yes I have google policy on my personal phone for work idiots but i bad name phone doesn't require it for me to get my emails.Hate the Idea.

Just Wondering if at one point knox will eliminate companies from doing that?

Note to all if you want a clean working rom use the one cnexus has greatly put together without worry of knox as I have upgraded to it from 4.1.2 and works great if you follow his instruction. Or follow the AIO install built by Thundtstick based on cnexus work and others

Cnexus- http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2541900

Thunderstick All in one install - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2549136
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Bad.Fish:
I flashed a mk3 radio but I didn't take the 4.3 ota... so do I have knox?

Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S3 running KitKat 4.4 biyatch :p
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] The D3mon:
I wouldn't think so but what I have gathered you might be able to check if you have knox when you boot in to download mode. Just like checking your regular flash count.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] CNexus:
Well, seeing how it says in the OP of the MK3 modem thread that "Note: Modems do not contain Knox, this is no different", I'd say no.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] procter:
Please refresh my memory on the terms here, guys.

So I got OTA push this morning, but decided not to do it since I've been on freeza's rooted stock rom MD4 and the optimized kernel, don't want to ruin it before I figure it out.

This KNOX thing, does it exist from the beginning or it's a 4.3 thing? Last time in 4.1.2 era, I don't recall any warnings about this thing.

And [MENTION=4645794]CNexus[/MENTION], for your stock ROM thread, it says no firmware. What does firmware do? I think previously the "rooted stock rom" is a full rom, right, containing the firmware and stuff. Is it different from "modem" or it's the same thing?

Also, from your OP, sounds like the stock ROM will not work fresh out of flash, you need to flash wifi fix, knox remover etc. Why is that? Does it have something to do with the stripping down process?

Thanks.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] gjmath01:
any word on the odin file? i cant get into recovery mode due to brick and i think this will fix my issue
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] CNexus:
Read the third post in my thread

And Knox is a 4.3+ creation by Samsung
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] enzoevo:
If you use the All In One installer it will work fresh out of flash.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2549136

I recommend reading the thread at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2541900 for all the history.

It should help allay any fears you might have. I've had very few issues, and all of them have been related to flashing dirty. Nothing an app uninstall/reinstall didn't fix.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] gjmath01:
[MENTION=4645794]CNexus[/MENTION] ....in your opinion what should i do? i have a sprint s3 that was soft bricked 3day after ota update 2 weeks ago i think 4.3 because thats what others updated to in the last 2 weeks now i wasnt aware of it being updated until after i tried redoing the phone in odin. but got no where with it but hard bricked no recovery or dl mode but i built a jig and got it in dl mode. i then learned about knox and how it blocks you from doing flash.when the odin flash files make their way here should i do the whole tar file or do you think i can try and flash knox bootloader to fix it? keep in mind im trying to keep my internal sd files..thanks
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] j00manji:
if I swap my broken glass s3 at geeksquad and get it replaced with a refurb, what are the chances that it will come pre-loaded with KNOX?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Mr. Struck:
Probably slim, but I would have them put it into download mode before purchasing to show you the status. I assume you are looking to avoid Knox, that would be my preference at least!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] j00manji:
Guess I'll have to get it ordered quick if I'm going to avoid it. I had hoped someone might have gone thru this already lol, guess I'm the guinea pig
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] j00manji:
what will it look like if i get a refurb phone and it has KNOX on it? can anyone show me a picture of the info available in download mode?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] CNexus:
It will have a line that says this

Warranty Bit: 0
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] j00manji:
Thanks for the info. I'm super nervous. I don't want to end up with Knox. :(

This makes me not want a Samsung phone at all
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] SwellVermin:
Great, great info. Thanks!

Now, when are we (ota updated to 4.3) getting that tar file for ODIN flashing??? :eek:
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Campbellz:
I found a work around. I unfortunately ota updated my phone and found a way to downgrade back to before 4.3. All I did was flash cwm and then flash an oldback up. bamn back on 4.2 and no knox or bricked phone!!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] CNexus:
You still have Knox. Check download mode. It's still there.

Like I state in the OP, there is no problem flashing roms (or in your case restoring a backup) of version < 4.3. But once you have the Knox bootloader, you are not getting rid of it anytime soon.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] sam.assad:
Thanks for the usefull Info ...I've been reading the last 2 days about this Knoxxxx thing ur info help me so much ...Im just lil confuse :) about rooting and flashing recovey

I have C Spire Galaxy S3 and I did the update via Kies now I have 4.3 MK4 with Knoxx thing ...I like it cos I like stock but I need to root it so I can use my old apps that require root ..I seen alot of post about rooting 4.3 with knoxx and I dont know which one to follow if you help me to choose one I will be so happy thanks again :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] SwellVermin:
I think you can be rooted, but not have root access. At least thats my case. I too need root access for my old root apps to work again. I use CWM and Team Epic Recovery for root, and it appears i have a rooted phone but no access to root. Super user doesnt work anymore and i cant get any other root apps to work, like mobile odin, set cpu etc...id there is another way to get root back on 4.3 OTA with knox, with stock samsung rom, then please, im all ears. But from what i have read, i think we have to wait for a .tar file to be made so that it will work? Im pretty new at this so please correct me if im wrong, or please confirm? Thanks guys (and gals)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] poit:
Try installing the latest version of SuperSU from the play store. On my phone it detected Knox and blocked it.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] SwellVermin:
Is there a place where I can get the .apk file from web? I have it, but not the paid version. When I run it I get the message, "There is no SU binary installed and Super SU cannot install it. This is a problem! If you just upgraded to Android 4.3 you need to manually re-root. Consult the relevant forums for your device."

LAME.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] CNexus:
You don't need to have the paid version, just update it from the play store

You could also uninstall and reinstall
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] MichaelCampos:
Can anyone Confirm that CM is working with Knox bootloader :beer:
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] sam.assad:
I got it ... Odin and CF-Auto flash CF-Auto via Odin and after the phone restart go to Su update it will ask u to disable Knox hi ok ...thats all i have root access again ... do it at ur own risk if u need the file PM me or search the forum they are all there >>> I havnt check if its triped knox counter which is i dont care :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] dromango:
I have stock 4.1.2, MD4 baseband, I found a mk3 odexed 4.3, is that safe to flash over?

or Is there a link yet to download 4.3 without knox boot?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Campbellz:
Ahh you are right. Didn't even think to check it since I had root. Yet another reason why I am never going to trust ota's I guess its better than my last phone which was a moto photon. The last ota I got locked the boot loader
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] SwellVermin:
Sam, check your inbox. :confused:
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] noles4life50:
My buddy just bought an s3 at best buy and it wasn't even on md4 yet so you'll probably be good.. They did try to update it at the site but he was already informed about Knox so he told them not to... You won't be interacting face to face when you get the phone though so really anything can happen and it could come preupdated to mk3... Best of luck avoiding Knox!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] j00manji:
I am so effing sad right now. I handed over my perfectly awesome, cracked screen phone and got back a refurb with 4.3 MK3 the Waranty Bit:0 in the download mode. There is nothing that says Knox or any weird looking apps that I can tell on this stock rom. What the heck do I do now? :(
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] noles4life50:
Root and do what you do... Just don't try to Odin any build before mk3
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Devtodi:
Okay, interesting situation, pretty basic actually. I am keeping my GS3 just until the GS5 comes out. I don't care if I am rooted or not, just don't want all the update messages. They are a total pain. Can I use the ota from stock rooted 4.1.2 to get to 4.3?

Bump. Any help please?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] sam.assad:
I sent you the link and the instruction within the site just do it as stated you will be fine and I check my counter and it says =1 so I triped the knox thing which fine with me :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] dreigle:
good stuff