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[One (M7) General] One Twelve:
You're talking about the intensity of the light. But the problem i find with flash is colour temperature.

if you take flash photos in a room with lights that are 6000K then flash light is cool white and will work well. but i don't have these kinds of lights in the home because they are harsh, mostly only the offices have them.

So it gets harder if its in warm light 4300K or halogen 3000K or tungsten 2700K light then the flash makes wierd colours and people skin tone becomes unnatural. iPhone 5s has this colour filter on one of the flash (true tone) to make more natural skin colour. This is something that is badly needed in phone cameras. I'm trying to figure a way to stick some yellow filter to get the flash colour temp down and make indoor phtotos look more natural with any phone flash.

Oh! this is a surprise i thought they had used 20MP

Why don't you use flickr to upload the Z1 & HTC one originals, more easier & useful and everybody can see instead of some zip.

Another thing that is unclear to me, HO has 28mm wide angle lens, they say that Z1 has 27mm lens, but i find the HO photos to still be slightly more wide angle than Z1, maybe Z1 is doing more cropping. This will slightly negate the advantage of the bigger sensor which is only 33% bigger than HO.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
I don't have flicr account but I might register.

Anyway here some flash light photos , it's much better now , anyway skin color is outstanding if you ask me.

1st 2 photos pitch black 4.2.2

3rd = no flash 4.2.2

4th very low light but flash anyway. Also 4.2.2

5th = pitch black 4.2.2

6/7/8 photos pitch black 4.3 latest

9th photo my cousin took with z1 as well , colors of the bear were off and hand was yellow. While on mine is 98% identical.
[One (M7) General] EtherealRemnant:
I'm jealous of both...

My HTC One doesn't come close to either of them.....
[One (M7) General] One Twelve:
ok, so htc one flash is a more neutral temperature. So how does it handle yellow light, indoors, tungsten etc. i think it will be ok with fluorescent.

yet to find out what temperature the Z1 flash is.i think its colder from some of the photos i've seen.
[One (M7) General] :
^^^^ longest post award!! ;)

Sent from my cellular telephone
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
The picture you saw in 1st page indoor was with yellowish lights and z1 took that yellow onto everything while HTC One didn't , that's all i know about yellowish lights about Z1 , as for HTC One i've taken some shots in white lights it was very good , much better then with the one on the 1st post while Z1 made whole pic kinda washed out there. Dunno how to explain it.
[One (M7) General] One Twelve:
pfft, its was comprehensive and i see not many can challenge anything in there ;)

You know what's long in this place, its the bloody threads, 100, 200, 500 pages, hey thats just the norm isn't it. A damn pain to get through is what i'd say.

What is this BS about long posts, this is a frickin discussion forum, you not able to read more than 140 chars :p

---------- Post added at 04:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:05 PM ----------

Yeah, HTC one has a neutral flash, maybe 4500k-5k. Relative difference with yellow lighting is less.

Z1 has a colder one somewhere 5-6K and the korean ones have a daylight flash at 6.5k. Good in daylight flourescent or fill in sunlight.

5s has truetone so this bit is covered already. The only phone to have it.

Otherwise everybody else needs to use a

flash gel

to get more natural shots using flash indoors otherwise people look like they just returned from expedition to north pole :laugh:
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Lol @ north pole joke.

Anyway I've seen few latest photos on z1 thread, there's a pic from some guy with some toys , you can clearly see they all look yellowish there due wrong wb ( indoor no flash ), the bad part is there's no way to fix that manually , at least I didn't see it when my cousins were trying to get photos like one.

There's also another guy who had one and z1 which says that htc one has much better flash like I said :p
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Eww bad news ... my cousins saw this thread where they're clearly losing by according to their logic they won LOL , anyway they wont send me the photos from XZ vs One >.< , i guess this will have to wait untill i go to their place and take them myself.
[One (M7) General] pbassjunk:
This could likely have more to do with the Z1 high megapixel count and re-sampling the images down to matching One dimensions, but I think the Z1 does a little bit better with default sharpness (ie: less sharp) compared to the One. Nothing noticeably egregious until the Coke bottle pic. The Z1 is much more natural, the One really plays with the contrast curve to sharpen light and dark.

Otherwise I like the One, it's a much more natural color representation. Kinda like when MiniDV was in its heyday with RGB sampling (One) vs YUV (Z1).

$.02
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
You're forgetting they were using manual settings ( white balance mainly set at daylight while outside was 98% of the time cloudy and zero sun ) while I was using only auto and hdr , I could've used manual as well and make even better pics but when I saw 1st few pics from z1 I knew I didn't need to bring out the full powahhhhh :sly:

I could've also control hdr and make way more natural pics + less bright as some are lol. Either way imo overall from what I've seen HTC one definitely did a better job.
[One (M7) General] pejakovic1:
Photos look more natural on one, while z1 owner doesn't clearly know how to take photos, he knows how to oversaturate them at least.

Sent from my Nexus 4.
[One (M7) General] compact_bijou:
OP doesn't know what he's doing and 94% of people commenting in this thread are talking borrocks.

Such is the internet.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
What do you mean by * i don't know what am i doing* if that's for pictures i would agree lol , since all i did was point and shoot :). It's quiet obvious i didn't need to use manual settings to beat z1 , when some better camera phone from Sony comes out i might :cyclops:
[One (M7) General] HtcOneJon:
I've owned a lot of phones, including the Z1, and I have to say that the Sony Z offerings have awful camera's. It doesn't matter what settings you use. As a lover of phones, and a keen camera phone snapper, the Z, and the Z1 really disappointed me.

The photo's from the Z's have a lot of wierd noise and are not sharp at all. When you get them on the computer they look even worse than they do on the Low Quality screens Sony have used in the phones.

Hopefully once they start to use 5 inch IPS panels and optimise the camera software it'll be bettery for them.

Getting back to the One, I only with it had a slightly higher pixel count, although the pictures compete with any camera phone i've tried. The only one I haven't tried yet is the Lumia 1020, but a 6 second photo isn't a photo at all.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Couldn't agree more with you about everything you've said.

The thing about Xz / z1 I noticed is they miss colors very easily and pics indeed look great unless you put one next to it.

As for Xz and my test vs it my pics were much sharper while back then when I just got one I was expecting it'll kill me in sharpness and daylight while I've literally raped it lol.

For strange reason z1 pics also aren't as sharp as they could be , it's a day and night difference when we took the look at z1 shots on the pc and phone , xreality truly makes pics sharper and more pretty but on pc they are much much worse while pics from the one are pretty much identical to what you see on the phone while on 50inch screen they look miles better.
[One (M7) General] ron76426:
Does the htc take pics underwater??:)
[One (M7) General] Nokiacrazi:
Butterflies will :highfive:
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
I'll buy a condom and make more underwater pics then you, simply cuz my battery is better and you can't add extra juice with a condom like I can make my phone waterproof + I can go deeper vs yours 1.5 meter :D :cool:

+ you can't use manual underwater so I'll beat you with pics anyway even if you could lol :sly:
[One (M7) General] crixley:
At least it has a decent screen...

Tft in this age? Gross
[One (M7) General] eclyptos:
Why people hate so much this poor Z1 baby? They just put a dumb device on the market and they will start fixing the problems, that' all. Someone like users of HTC One have the device ready to go, we don't. I hope just the will fix the issues and improve the software and we will be far away from HTC One when even if you tweek it, it will not be close to Z1.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
No one hates z1 , but truth be told overall experience will never match HTC one , and by the time they fix z1 there will be one 2 and z1 won't be even worth comparing it with.

Besides HTC one is already far from z1 one 2 isn't even needed.

Here few things that software will never fix for z1.

1. Crappy dev support

2. ****ty speaker

3. Crappy screen

4. Poor Mic for recording

5. Poor flashlight photos

6. Poor flashlight video + 60 fps

7. Huge bazzels

These are just the few things that software will never fix , it's hardware , and the current software issues mainly camera by the time gets fixed one2 will be out ;)

Besides we don't even need tweaking , the above things will be forever superior on HTC one vs z1 , you don't want tweaked one that's for sure , especially if we talk about software :sly: , z1 will never match dev support from the one , even after z2 gets out it won't match dev support , z1 will never be most awarded phone in the history nor will ever win literally every single prize nor it'll be ever be called "phone of the year" :rolleyes:

At the end HTC one will and already has much more exciting life then z1 ever will , we've already had 2 major software releases all the way from 4.1.2 and sense 5 up to sense 5.5 + kit Kat + GPE + multi boot + much better kernels + much better Rom development + overall better development + soon enough Windows support and lastly in few months by the time you guys get 4.4 kit Kat we'll be on sense 6 + 4.4.2+ :sly:

So in which world or dimensions is z1 match or allow me to be sarcastic " better" then HTC one? :what::p:D

Sorry if this sounds rude , it's just the facts.
[One (M7) General] eclyptos:
I can't fight back because I will broke my fingers if I will write so much, ..hahaha.. ;)

Anyway you just telling me I did a wrong choice. I broke my HTC HD2 touch screen and I was so p...t so I decided to go and buy best phone ever in the store and I never look at the price. I get in love with Z1 and I was between S4 and Z1, before that I was thinking about HTC One for months but when I compare the Hardware, HTC One is far away back even if like you said if far away in future with all the developing. So I get Z1 and I am really disappointed because was not what I expected for the money which I paid for it. You know what is the funny part here? I still with the Touch screen issue even with different Device and I find HTC One for half of the price of the Z1. Imagine that.

Now what you pretend, for sure you are not supporting me psychologically..:D..with my Z1 but what I can do, I stick with it.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
I didn't say you did a wrong choice what I said was that overall package what z1 offers vs HTC one is no match , I've wrote all the things above that are currently better and will stay forever better , and as you've seen the hardware stuff i wrote there's 7 or so and z1 has only better soc , while in real world usage I bet you wouldn't feel the difference between these 2 , the only thing z1 does faster is open apps and that's about it , but everything else HTC does better even the camera. So how is z1 superior with hardware if it has only better chip and HTC one everything else ?

Anyway since you have issues you could either repair it or sell it and buy something that fits your needs , or perhaps wait for s5 and HTC one 2 and then take a pick , or you could sell z1 and get HTC one + save some money ;)

You should've first play with all the devices that interest you then buy it. I would never relay purely on what it says on the paper vs real usage.
[One (M7) General] eclyptos:
I know but this days how it's possible to buy a high end device and have issue from the box? For the money which we paid this stuff should be all guarantee. This is unbelievable.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
I guess quality control and manufacturers gotten cheaper , before in cybershot series the best devices were the first batch , now they're the worst lol.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
I'd suggest the same to Sony.
[One (M7) General] allhill:
don't quote the post one like that for you little post :mad:

everyone have a different taste and eyes :rolleyes: I'm Sony NEX user, and love that camera, but not for Sony smartphone camera,

tested the xperia acro s and xperia z, no one has impress me.
[One (M7) General] kantk20111:
I will bump this thread up a bit as I saw it from another link, and I would like to call BS on the post. It's a completely unfair comparison as it's obvious the poster used HDR for A LOT of the pictures posted for the HTC One while keeping the Xperia Z1 on regular shooting mode. For example:

-Pic set #3 (the shack roof): There is a very slight halo around the shack for the HTC One which is a sign of HDR. Furthermore, it's cloudy, there is no way that the shack would look like that to the naked eye. The Z1 easily wins as it is more natural and is showing what you would see from the naked eye.

-Same with pic set #4 (the houses). The person is pointing the phones straight into the sun. No way in hell does a camera have that dynamic range when pointing straight at the light source. Yet again the user used HDR for the HTC One while keeping the Z1 on regular settings. Z1 wins again as it's more realistic and natural.

-pic set #5. Z1 wins by far. HTC One is completely washed out.

For a lot of photos the Z1 is a lot sharper as well.

Indoor photos the HTC One is better thanks to Ultrapixel.

I'm not a Sony fanboy but I don't like it when unfair comparisons are made. The poster pick and chose a lot of photos to make the HTC One look better. Granted, the One is an excellent low light camera, much better than the Z1, but don't skew the images for an unfair comparison.

Also, a lot of people here are associating that more light detail= better picture. That's not the case. Detail in the shadows is also a very important part of photography, as is contrast. The HDR pictures that the poster took for the HTC One might look better on a screen but they hold no candle to actual realistic photo reproduction. That's just not how HDR works. In that case, if you were to compare the pictures taken to what the poster actually saw with his naked eye, the Z1 wins. I'd be interested to see an unbiased comparison though with the same settings.

I'm not here to argue about which phone is better as I love both and believe they are both the pinnacle of what Android has to offer, but I have to defend my phone as well from biased comparisons.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Have you even bothered to read what I wrote on the first post lol ?

Or even better read thru the topic ? You know you can download photos and check exifs where you can see all photos were taken by manual 8 mp with z1 , none were with superior auto lol , they're lucky they didn't use superior auto it is a joke lol.

You talk about light and that more light doesn't mean necessarly better pic , take a look at pics with sky / ground / park / street / gates z1 doesn't even see half of what HTC sees its all dark , the colors are off / the details are missing , wtf are you blind lol.

Let me point again few stuff :

1. Z1 owners each took 3/4 photos in total of 7/8 ( yes there were HDR pics as well ) after seeing my photo they were choosing the best photo outta 7/8

2. It was cloudy day and we took photos at about 10 am so it was the morning there was enough light where clearly z1 failed to pick up ground / sky due poor HDR

3. It is fair since they used manual , HDR etc all they could while my case all I did was auto or HDR , you don't want me to use manual lol I'd slaughter it even more then it already is.

4. About 15 daylight photos are missing since cousins didn't want to give me the photos cuz they sucked ! About 10 indoor photos are missing as well cuz those sucked badly as well , about 10 photos are missing from flashlight picturing , so in which world I was unfair ? I didn't remove any photos of mine they chosed photos that I'll get if it were up to me I'd post all of it and they definetetly didn't want that.

As for the sun pics its simple let me write it on a very simple way you could understand :

Z1 camera is PURE **** when it comes to HDR , which is why their pics suck when we pictured sky+ ground , deal with it.

Lastly yes you're an fanboy , deal with the facts and your eyes , the eyes are definitely telling you the z1 camera sux.

I understand you're defending your device but seriously what's the point , the only person you gonna convince that z1 has done better job is your self , you gotta accept the fact we all have the eyes and lying to yourself makes no sense lol.

BTW you've pointed few shots where you believe the z1 did a better job so let's say that it did in these few shots that's like 5 at most 7 shots while there are another 35/40 where HTC one did a better job + about 20+ photos that never got posted cuz my cousins didn't want to give me those pics , pure logic why there aren't any flashlight / indoor shots lol , you can do it ! Think ! That's right you got it ! They sucked ! Which leads in total what 5/7 shots better from z1 vs 35/40 official ones from HTC one + about 20 that never got posted , great score mate 5/7 vs 60 lol.

You talk about which photos were overall more natural , do you realize that z1 missed real colors on literally all photos + most photos look like we had sunny day , thx to them adding white balance daylight filter.

The colors of the houses / roofs / grass / indoor are OFF for the most pics especially the ones that include sky + ground.

So yes at the end HTC one camera is more reliable and usable then z1's camera , that's the FACT , DEAL WITH IT. :thumbup:
[One (M7) General] kantk20111:
Wow. You accuse me of being a fanboy and then insult my intelligence, call me blind, and say the Z1 camera 'sux'. Good job.

Does that sound like what a fanboy would say?

I concede that the Z1's camera is nowhere what it COULD be, but you are insane to say it sucks, because it doesn't. I'm not going to argue with you and it's obvious whose the fanboy is here (I've looked through your posts in this thread. What are you, 12?). All I'll say is the HTC One does the best it can with its 4MP ultrapixel camera while the Z1 hasn't with it's 21MP camera. I trust Sony will improve on it in the next few months. THAT SAID, I maintain that the Z1 shoots better photos than the HTC One in everything but low light based on personal experience on mine Z1 and dad's One. The fact that you used HDR for a lot of pics to prove your point shows that Sony's HDR feature sucks, not that the camera sucks. There's a difference. If we take a picture of both with manual on and no HDR then that would be a valid comparison of camera strength. HDR's post processing, it's a different ballgame altogether.

Also, I wouldn't trust someone like you at all to make a fair comparison between the two phones. It's obvious you hate the Z1 and are head over heels in love with the HTC One. I apologize for believing Phonearena, photography blogs and my own experience over you.

Finally, did I ever once say the HTC One camera sucks? No? Sorry, I forgot I was the fanboy again. Thanks for making my visit to the HTC One XDA forums a pleasant one.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Dude you were praising the z1 camera the whole time , one sentence doesn't change that. You're still praising it , and you still refuse to believe it was FAIR COMPARISON. You want a truth ? This comparison wasn't fair from the beginning simply cuz I compared device 6/7 months older then z1 , if I used HTC one 2 which will be 4/5 months newer then z1 Thad would be fair but there's really no point of doing this since m7 does a better job we don't even want m8 to take the pics vs z1 lol.

Like I said you should read thru the thread , there's one guy who actually checked the EXIFS of both phones pictures = he proved the z1 was shooting at its best while I used auto or HDR nothing else. You can check exifs as well , I posted pics this way so ppl can actually see this , and didn't you see I wrote I never even touched z1 for picturing ...

As for what you said that I used HDR more then auto you're wrong , there's maybe 10/12 photos from me with HDR and I posted like 40+ from each phone.... how does 10/12 make the most of it...

You said it " it would be fair if we both used manual " OK let's take 10/12 pics from me that were HDR , that leaves us with 30/32 pics each of which z1 has about 5 better then HTC one , that still gives major upper hand to HTC one vs z1 since it still has 27/25 better pics. Not to mention I used AUTO and they used MANUAL , even with me using auto it still did a better job and would've done even better if I needed/used manual.

Anyway I didn't insult your intelligence by saying " are you blind " lol how does blindness even count as stupidity ...?

At the end ... you have your opinion as do I so does many other people who voted here and the votes clearly state the obvious which aren't even needed if you simply take a look at overall photos score with your eyes , you can't say z1 did a better job when you clearly see who has more overall better photos , its pure logic which you refuse to accept.

One last thing since I'm really lazy to argue here on this old thread mainly cuz its old and soon are new devices coming out which will rape both z1 and HTC one. You've kinda got me wrong , let me clear up for you : at the current state HTC one does overall better job and that's obvious with this pics , but is camera hardware superior vs z1? Hell no , its simple Sony sux at optimization , if it were HTC / Sammy or anyone else I'm sure they'll do the better job. So right now until z1 gets / if it gets fixed HTC one remains as more usable camera but Is it perfect? No its just decent nothing else. If I were to chose or even could I'd take z1's hardware and let HTC do its magic , that'd be true flagship camera.

Oh and for the record I don't hate z1 , I like it and almost bought it Now that 4.3 has fixed gaming etc but nahhhh waiting to see new flagships this year.

Anyway since your family has HTC one do me a favor post 10 pics from both phones , do some indoor shooting , some flashlight , some outside whatever you want :thumbup:
[One (M7) General] Stephen:
Moderator Warning

Guys can we calm things down a bit please. The argument is getting very heated here. There are aspects to both phones but we need to keep this thread informative. A Fanboy war is not acceptable. If this continues we will close the thread.

This is your only warning,

Many thanks,

Ghost
[One (M7) General] Dark Jedi:
Every phone camera has its pro's and con's. Plus what one person says doesn't mean the other s will see it your way. I compared the s4 and HTC one and to me the one seemed to take better photos. That said I have read others saying the s4 has the better camera. Am I wrong? No I am not. Are they wrong? No they are not. It's personal preference plain and simple. To argue over which camera is the best is like arguing that Ford,dodge,or Chevy makes the best trucks. Let it go as there is no one phone that has the best camera over all.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Agreed , in fact let's just all agree lumia 1520 kicks all our asses lol , srsly android cameras are funny vs lumia devices :banghead:
[One (M7) General] pshdo:
I have both phones...

HTC... 4mp in a modern phone is simply bs, no matter that HTC call them for monster pixels or whatever...

8mp is absolutely minimum...

That said, the Z1's camera simply don't work!

There are too many bugs on auto mode to be used at all...

Sony can make working cameras, even in phones...

They have done it before...

Just not the Z1 in the current state at least...