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[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] nielowen:
In other forums people using Boeffla have been switching to ondemand / row, and setting min cpu frequency to 500. Increasing the read-ahead buffer has also been quoted by some as having helped, particularly if music is stored on an external sdcard. Mine are both set to 1024 but I have also experimented with 2048 for the external sdcard. My vehicle does not have a bluetooth equipped car radio but my wife's does and I do tend to increase the external sdcard buffer if I am using her car.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Dracolucassos:
Thanka nielowen,I'll try this kernel.but last time when I switch to boeffla and slim, I faced to real strong heating. It's feel like my device jest boild..any ideas?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] nielowen:
I'm using the OMNI Boeffla kernel of 20140215. Using the Boeffla config app, I'm currently using the PST preset (zzmoove / row). I'm also running Greenify and Startup manager. Stats currently show 58% deep sleep but bear in mind I've rebooted several times this morning as I have been experimenting to try and see if I can overcome the loss of data connection on 3G when switching off WiFi (see above post).
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
Thanks for the tip with Boeffla for the sound, I also had choppines before but now it's working like a charm. I need to check with bluetooth in the car though.

I have not faced problems with WiFi/data connection with this version though. I hoep you can solve it :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] EwinW:
SuperSU binaries

I've done full wipe. Cache wipe. Dalvic wipe.

Loaded new ROM 3.4 (same problem with 3.1).

Connected to Wifi or not I cannot load boundaries for SuperSU hence I can't get root access.

Have tried this several times with both ROMs.

Any ideas?

Please
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Adam Hui:
Setting > developer options > root access > apps & ADB

If that doesn't works, means u must reflash the rom again w/ full wipe. But be sure before, u must have three latest combinations of modem, cwm recovery & latest Slim Gapps (slimroms.net) & ur root will be back fine.

Installing busybox will help anyway, if u decide to flash a non stock kernel, make sure the rom finished the booting for 1st time with stock kernel. Then u can go to recovery & flash custom kernel in dalvik mode, repeat : dalvik mode. Switching to ART mode can be done after 1st boot finished w/ custom kernel.

I've experienced losing su binary while i flashed 3.4 & latest boeffla in a same time.

*) Front LED holographic keyboard <3 my dream in android...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
I have this occasionally. Try turn off root permissions in super user settings close out of it and reopen it and then turn on again. Try the same with developer settings..
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
Bluetooth problems

I noticed some bluetooth problems today when I was going in the car. Several times I lost the connection between the car and the phone several times and the phone continued to play with the speakers. I have slimkat 3.4, boeffla kernel 20140215 and poweramp.

I also had wakelocks on Rilj and mdm_hsic_pm0 for over an hour at separete times. Anyone know how to get rid of those, they drain my battery very fast. I haven't had them before today with this rom.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] zmuda:
@ infrag

Every time I close a call, I always hear a click sound.

Is it possible to delete it?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
Try build 3.6 and see if anything is fixed.

This is from Slim changelogs for 3.6:

Some fixes to our bluetooth repos

As far as wakelocks go mdm_hsic_pm0 has been a random wakelock for me that I havent been able to fix. Its happened on my phone from all ROM's ive tried with android 4.1 to 4.4... Let me know if you fix it. Only thing that temporarily removes the wakelock is a reboot.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
Build 3.6 is up
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
I've reverted all new RIL changes for now so we shouldn't have this problem anymore. I'll update to new RIL when MCS has ironed out all the problems.. Let me know if you have any problems now...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
Does this work now with the latest build or you switched roms? :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
Thanks I'll try the new build, thanks for updating :)

Unfortunately I have also only gound that rebooting helps. Fortunately I haven't experienced that that often with more recent ROM's.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] zmuda:
Hi infrag, i have two question:

1 - Every time I close a call, I always hear a click sound.

Is it possible to delete it?

2- When use Nfc with android Beam, and I receive a file from a samsung S3, with original rom,

always opens the play store, but the file does not arrive.something wrong?

I hope I was clear.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Hbohd:
I switched roms.. to slimkat! :D

Finally, AOSP that allows me to change my cell network.. Thanks a lot!
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
1.

On my phone this isnt a click noise. Its a sound that is played that lets you know you have ended the call by hitting the end button. I'm not about to try and change that.. It seems pretty standard to me?

2.

What happens when you send using NFC from an AOSP based ROM? I dont have a samsung based ROM to test this with... sorry
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] MystaMagoo:
I've not jumped ship to 4.4 yet,maybe when the network bug is fixed but I may just try this 3.6 :)

Also the red warning about using the latest cwm.

Can we get a link on the op?

I use philz touch cwm so not sure if it's the same and will work?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] nielowen:
Reverted 3.6 works great.

Danfonwyd o'm P5110, i9100 neu i9305
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ChaniaB:
Philz wokrs for this Rom. I use it too.

Network bug is fixed also.

Try this Rom, you will love it.

vom Tab getippt
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] paffo:
First of all, great rom, realy like this one.

Im still on 3.4 and have no problems with GSM data when switching off WIFI. It takes not more than one second to see 4G singn after swiching WIFI off.

I saw that its imposimble to change cell network, but everything is working as it should.

Two things that concerns me is:

1. Can configure time for long press on menu, back and hardware button. I can set long press in mili seconds in Accessibility settings but those three buttons are not affected and shortly holding trigers action. Its annoying realy.

2. Sometimes I see message that Google Play Service is stopped... But maybe its connected to ART that I choose.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] cheffy11:
Great ROM will it ever be official?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Hbohd:
Do we need it to become official? :D

infrag is a great person and he's doing his work in the best way, providing much support and compiling as fast as we could imagine, sometimes even faster than for s3 :p
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] cheffy11:
Who needs official then! ;) I've been using for 2 days now and love it keep up the good work [MENTION=1187148]infrag[/MENTION] :D
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Hbohd:
I was also curious [MENTION=1187148]infrag[/MENTION]: could we somehow manually revert to old RIL to avoid internet issues? As far as I'm concerned, these are only blobs changes, so in other words, libs in /system?

Asking, because I wanted to use more feature-rich AOSB, however this issue is bothering me too hard...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] cheffy11:
I'm trying to get omniswitch to work on this ROM so far I've managed to install it in the priv-app folder but every time I launch it, it says failed to get system permissions??
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
There are changes that go with new blobs to make them work properly. I havent really looked into it to much.. just reverted what went with the new blobs. I suppose it could be possible but I'm pretty sure that you'll have to do more than just the blobs themselves...

I could probably build AOSB and post a link :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
Quote:

Originally Posted by EwinW

Connected to Wifi or not I cannot load boundaries for SuperSU hence I can't get root access.

Have tried this several times with both ROMs.

Any ideas?

I have this occasionally. Try turn off root permissions in super user settings close out of it and reopen it and then turn on again. Try the same with developer settings..
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] paffo:
Anyone can help? How to extend time for "Long press" on "Hardware Buttons".

In samsung roms, changing parameter in Accessibility settings also chage behaviour for this three buttons.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Hbohd:
If you really had too much free time, I would be grateful for compiling it :)

Also, you might want to use linaro to build it, even if it isn't possible to compare toolchain differences :p
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Adam Hui:
Hey m8, another distracted topic from me here :p

Is there any connections regarding to using ur preset in boeffla kernel with blurry camera saved results instead the clear in camera preview?

Or well that's a unfinished job of camera in all aosp roms? TIA.

*) Front LED holographic keyboard <3 my dream in android...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] paffo:
Hi

After kernel change Ive lost root access, althout su binaries was working on adb shell.

I tried hard to reuse Superuser from ClockworkMod, because its best IMHO.

SuperSU works, but is it the only option in this rom?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Adam Hui:
This, read below √√√

*) Front LED holographic keyboard <3 my dream in android...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ext23:
hi, i've been traveling overseas for a few months and haven't checked this thread since before then.

what's the current status of this ROM? what parts of it still don't work? is any better or worse than where slim 4.3 was when we left it?

thanks for all your work!
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] paffo:
Thank You.

What Ive done wrong was flashing Boeffla with ART mode.

What can I do now, cause there is no way to full wipe.

I changed to Dalvik, restarted, then installed once again Boeffla. Copied su binary from SlimKat rom and placed in /system/xbin with symlinc to /system/bin. I remember that suid was also set, so I enabled this also. Binaries from SuperSU didnt have suid attribute, but there was also binary daemonsu (I thing this is specific to SuperSU).

What I want to achive is internal Superuser, from "Settings" --> "Advanced" --> "Superuser" - be the only one used. Is it possible ?

Found workaround

Created inid.d script with starting su as daemon.

su --daemon
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Adam Hui:
No problem m8, just press it won't hurt u :p

Nandroid backups was helpful anyway before doing any curious progress, or just make all apps TiB'ed in a private folder.

Ofcuz, u can uninstall SuperSU, but it does all up with its name instead superuser imo :rolleyes:

*) Front LED holographic keyboard <3 my dream in android...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] 1Ishara:
Hi guys im try to flash 1st AOSP rom to my device.. so guys when I read the thread I saw some rill problem

. Not understand clearly but I think its something network issue. . So guys can someone tell me that problem still excisting in newer virsion.. if so can someone tell where to get less problem AOSP rom:D:D.. I preferred slim roms when I was i9000 but seems its better to ask first before I increase my flash count..
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Hbohd:
Latest slim build from this thread is free of those RIL and network problems - just download, flash and enjoy :D
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] 1Ishara:
Thanks bro ill check:)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ItsmYarD:
This is the only 4.4 rom that has app ops accessible directly from the privacy guard notification. So far so good.

One question I had was since I flashed boeffla kernel, is there a way to revert to the stock slim kernel as boeffla has horrible battery life.

Thanks in advance!
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
I think you need to flash the whole rom again.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] paffo:
Funny, because my device with boeffla kernel consume much less energy. Depends on apps and settings maybe.

Easy workaround for flashing stock kernel is to replace boot.img in Boeffla-kernel zip file taken from SlimKat-rom zip file

1. Unpack boot.img from: Slim-i9305-4.4.2.build.xxxxxxxx.zip

2. Replace file above in i9305-OMNI-Boeffla-2.1-HboHD_pst-L48-20140215.zip

3. Flash your modified Boeffla zip file

:)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Adam Hui:
Then u're the lonely guy.. :D

*) Front LED holographic keyboard <3 my dream in android...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] andrewbat:
Change DPI

Hi,

Hey guys...

I am on the 3.6 build and there is no where to change the DPI....PLEASE help....

I'm straining to see even with my glasses on!!

Any and ALL help appreciated

Thanks
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
You can change it with the app LCDDensity or in the file called build.prop in the folder /system. Change the line called: ro.sf.lcd_density=245

A higher number will make things bigger. I think the standard is 320.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
Build 3.8 added to OP.

Slim News:

We needed to remove googles reverse lookup from the dialer (not forward lookup) due of legal reasons. As replacement to the already present revere lookup with other providers we added as well a new people lookup API. So new Dialer has Google and OpenMaps forward lookup (near by places). White pages ppl lookup and reverse lookup for a bunch of providers. More will follow soon.

- SlimRecent got some update and new functionallty. Favorite mode along with mode for left handed ppl and the ability to scale the size.

- Lockscreen and notification reminder got some love as well.

- Gapps got major updates.

Read slim site for full changelog
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] JasonEddie:
What does 4.3 blobs mean? Trying to figure out which file I should dload from the OP :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
4.3 til blobs. They are newer and work for some people. However there was a bug that sometimes the data would disconnect and not reconnect. I'm therefore providing 2 versions so if you have problems with the 4.3 blobs then you can use the version without it.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] nielowen:
Thanks [MENTION=1187148]infrag[/MENTION] - I tried flashing the new "old blobs" version earlier but had to revert to the previous "old blobs" version, acore process kept FCing. I've no time today, going away for a few days and won't be back until next week so there's not much I can do in terms of further tests. Perhaps I should have tried without the Boeffla Omni kernel of 2014-02-15 or should I, perhaps, have flashed the new gapps you referred to?

Anyhow, thanks for your continued hard work. :good:
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
I read some people having problems flashing boeffla right away and that it worked better to just flash the rom. Let it boot and then flash boeffla after. I hope you fix it! :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] nielowen:
Yes, you were absolutely correct. I decided to have one more shot at it but this time with the "new blobs" version. Flashing the rom then rebooting to recovery, flashing Boeffla, then superuser, did the trick.

:D
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] 1Ishara:
Guys rom works great but there was a huge battery drain in new virsion should I use any custom kernel with this?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
You can try the boeffla omni kernel, many use it.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ext23:
let me try asking again...

is there any major functionality missing in this ROM? no headphone audio, no video camera, crashes/bugs etc? how is the performance compared to the old 4.3?

also if i'm upgrading from slim 4.3 to i need to do a full wipe?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
Didn't try the 4.3, but this is working great for me. I did have some bluetooth problems with a earlier weekly, but I havent tried this yet. Some people have had connectivity issues after leaving a wifi area, that is why there are 2 versions now.

Not sure if you can dirty flash from 4.3.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] paffo:
I didnt try 4.3 at all, but one thing that dont work right now is compass. Did it worked in 4.3 ?

Most of users dont use and give a sh..t so problem is unresolved from few months - to bad imho.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] gaspariperez:
To the dev:

If you have the time and will, could you please build a ParanoidAndroid rom for our devices? Please it's the only big rom missing for the i9305. Thank you.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
Well it could be to do with open source sensors... Does it not work at all or is it inaccurate?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] paffo:
It's inaccurate, pointing north as random direction, specialy when turning around. I read that drivers are the reason, and maybe using proprietary drivers shoud fix problem. I know there will be problem with licence, but maybe there is some short howto for compiling/adding those drivers separately.

I have Galaxy Tab2 that is used for playing movies for my dauther and also never slim is installed. There compass works fine.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] MrCeez:
Just did a fresh install seem to be missing percentage in circle battery. On v 3.8 anyone else noticed this?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
You can change that in settings - interface - battery icon. There you have several options.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] paffo:
I have one question about build.prop parameters.

Can it be change to something from 4.3 samsung rom?

I found that Tasker disabled many options due to not supporting rom under 4.2, example "Stay On".
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Adam Hui:
That's bootloader ID, u can change it to 4.3 by flashing sammy stock rom by odin.

If u change it manually by editing with rootexplorer or etc. , imo u will get a bootloop. will try it maybe?

*) Front LED holographic keyboard <3 my dream in android...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] MrCeez:
I can't sign into dropbox. I get fc all the time. I've tried clearing the cache but nothing works. Anyone know a fix?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] zmuda:
File .apk with bluetooth

Hi to all,

I can not send. apk file, with the bluetooth.

is a bug of the rom?

How can I do?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Xardejn:
Where can i find option to disable volume up/down change their position when auto rotate is enabled?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] indisingh:
Does anybody know how to fix the issue of not being able to connect to 3g or wifi?

My icons are staying orange - permanently by the looks of it.

Thanks
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ChaniaB:
Maybe you need to flash a newer Baseband?

send from out of space
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] indisingh:
No I don't think that's it, it's been working just fine on other roms. I think it's something to do with the kernel, any ideas?

But thanks for the reply!
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ChaniaB:
Don't know because I flashed Boeffla right aber Rom and Gapps.

Witch Version did you take? Old or new Bloobs?

send from out of space
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] indisingh:
The new blobs one, i think i'll try the old one soon. What's the difference between them?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ChaniaB:
If I get it right your Problems are related to new 4.3 Ril, witch is in "new bloobs Rom"

send from out of space
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] indisingh:
Yeah that's what I think it is too :/
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ChaniaB:
It is. Read one or two sites back

send from out of space
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] indisingh:
Thanks for your help!
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ChaniaB:
You're welcome

send from out of space
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Adam Hui:
Nothing wrong with new ril blobs imo even its has a quicker connect & better responses, but using latest modem will be a better combination.

I've experienced losing baseband third times when flashing boeffla with my old September modem..lol.

Pls check ur APN settings regarding ur mobile carrier.

I'm using three, i deleted & let empty proxy section at APN, then my network goes fine.

*) Front LED holographic keyboard <3 my dream in android...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Hbohd:
Time for new weekly 3.10 ? :>
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
3.10 was released last weekend. From what I understand from their homepage and g+ a stable is on the way.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] sevsman:
On their site it says that build 4 is stable and has been released for some devices, including the i9300!

Not long for us then I hope :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Adam Hui:
Yeah well, unfortunately our camera will be still a flacky since imho i9305 is porting from Note 2 LTE (t0lte) which same h/w except screen.:(

*) Front LED holographic keyboard <3 my dream in android...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Hbohd:
Eagerly waiting for new version! :D

Ps. Linaro version would be even more appreciated ;p
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
Cant agree more, I'm biting my nails of in anticipation... :D
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] sevsman:
Colour me dumb, but what's Linario?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Hbohd:
Custom toolchain to compile a rom/kernel.

In simple words it is something, more or less a placebo, that we use to compile something from source :)

Something even appeared on main xda page (haven't read it yet) -> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/xda-myth-busters-linaro-4-7-4-vs-gcc-4-7/
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] infrag:
Build 4.1 added. Its 'late' since my second child just arrived... :)

Not sure on changes... find out yourselves I guess.

Not adding 4.3blobs build since I still find it buggy sometimes...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] 1Ishara:
Congratulations brother:)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Kimbo82:
Congratulations!! I hope you spend a lot of time with your child :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] paffo:
Somebody tried 4.1 ?

If yes, please test camera. In 3.8 I cant change focus, there is no stabilization option (realy disappointed).

As I use my or wife phone to record our child I realy think to get back to Samsung roms.

P.S.

Best whishes to infrag, tet your children grow up healthy and have you on a daily basis as long as possible :)