[Motorola Droid RAZR] Ohmster:
Ugh, Tom, you got a lot to read but the newer stuff is up top between the lines, okay?

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New content is here between the lines, Tom.

Yes, you are exactly right when you say "As far as 'memory' goes - I look at it this way: That 1GB you were talking about - to me - is RAM memory that is used for RUNNING apps." That is SO exactly right. Apps not running are not in electronic memory. They are in storage on the sdcard in the /Data partition. People confuse the word "MEMORY" right here. The closed app has not been opened or executed at which point, it does load into active electronic system memory in order to work, have all of it's computations and screen data instantly available to the CPU and GPU for updating the screen. Many people call these apps on card "in memory" but they are on storage media, not memory. But to the layman, it is all the same. They did not take computer science, have no idea of how a computer operates, so it's ALL memory. The "computer" is "the modem" or the screen. The have no clue what that big box on the floor is called with the DVD drive on it, a power button, keyboard, mouse, and all of those wires coming out of it. The people I work for, just people clients, have no idea what to call "that thing". Some call it "the hard drive". It is all technical terms and hard for the lay person to keep up with.

When you install or update an app and can't do it unless you uninstall some others to make room, tells you right there that the partition for downloading and installing apk files is so full you might only have 50Kb free on it. An app like facebook apk file could not even fit on it, much less be expanded and installed because there is no more room on the media for it.

But where. Man if I could look at your phone, I am sure I would find it. The idea is to look for a partition that is chock full by using DiskUsage and Storage to see what is so full. I looked at your partition sizes. They are about right. apps and app data is in the /data partition. My data partition with 197 apps is 2,000MB. System on mine is 700Mb and Dwillian uses an 800 Mb system partition because in addition to cm11 and gapps, he also flashes a Google Play zip to update and install all of the correct Google system and app files. That requires another 100Mb on the /system partition making it 800Mb. I just downgraded to 10/29 and by mistake, I downloaded the FULL 250Mb pa-gapps package instead of the 159Mb mini-modular gapps so my flash failed, out of space. Once I got the smaller 159Mb mini-modular gapps the install was successful.

Don't make the /data partition too big or you end up with NO internal storage space. I had mine at 3000MB and had this problem. I changed my /data partition to 2000Mb and I have space on the card now and no issue with 197 apps.

I told you to install or use DiskUsage because that will help us. Let me look at my phone for a sec.

Here is what you need to do:

Open DiskUsage, tap the "Root required" item, then examine the important partitions for free space.

My Results Are:

/data 530Mb Free (Hmm, those 197 apps are chewing my 2GB data partition up!)

/system 51.7MB Free

/cache Almost ALL free, 278Mb out of 295Mb Free

These are the 3 rom partitions, check them out, especially the /data partition. What do you have "Free" on that one? Check /system, same thing. How much free space you got in there?

I think it will be your /data partition. I got ½ Gig left and that is not a lot but I could install apps still. I know that Google HQ speech now is available in /Settings/Language & Input/Text-to-speech output/ and if you pick Google Text-to-speech, then "Install voice data" if you pick English UK, you get choices. Male and Female HQ and Standard. The UK Female voice is a whopping 232MB! The male HQ is only 84Mb and the standard UK voices are 5-6Mb. When I experimented with another rom I wanted to try this HQ UK Female voice and got the same error as you "out of memory". Because at that time I had a huge cm11 slot and with stock, I did not have much room left for Slot2 where I installed, what, Paranoid Android. With such small partitions, I had hardly any space left to install apps and the 250Mb female UK voice was out of the question.

Alright man, it is getting late. I think you now have enough information to know what to look for. Give it a try and I will help more if you want. Down below I ask for screenshots, ignore it because this part is the most updated part of the post and now you know what to look for. If you just give up and get a new phone, oh well, at least your problem will be solved. :rolleyes:

So, if you are really getting a new phone in a couple of weeks, no sense "killing ourselves" over this. But you now have some things to look for. Good luck, Tom. :fingers-crossed:

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Old Content Here. Forget the Screenshots

Tom, I already gained some clues from what all you have written. I have to take a shower and think about this a little bit but will be back to finish this. The issue is not memory. Although Android, it's developers, and fans have once again mangled the English Language to suit their own needs. Now they have you saying "memory" when you are referring to card space.

"Memory" is electronically stored in chips, as immediate electrical signals to represent the 1s and 0s, the bits that make up the byte. The bytes that make up the word. There is a reason that memory is/was so much more expensive than drive space. A mechanical hard drive or sdcard is a media that can contain data that is magnetically written to it and read from it. Hard drives work this way, I have to look up sdcard storage to see if it is the same. Okay, here is it is. sdcards are nand gates (flip flop digital circuits that can retain a state such as "on or off". Much faster than a hard drive that must spin, line up a moving head arm, then precisely position and read that head at the exact moment that the spinning platter reaches the sector where the data begins and reads as it spins. It constantly jerks back and forth between rotating sectors (pie shaped wedges) and rings of data as the platter spins.

In any event, and sdcard is much faster than a hard drive and works "almost" exactly the same way that RAM chips work. The difference is that the RAM chips have constant power, live circuits and gates, and is always ready, where an sdcard has to be inserted where the gold contacts complete the circuit to the phone.

Memory is RAM. Not storage space such as a partition, and sdcard, hard drive, USB drive, CD/DVD, or even an SSD. We have 1,024 MB of genuine electronic RAM in our phones. RAM is important. Nothing runs without it. When you load an OS or run an app or program, that information is read from the storage media and loaded into system memory, i.e.: RAM because it is fast enough to not only perform it's job, but to have the GUI ready at all times with refreshed, updated data to paint on the screen. If a hard drive or sdcard were used for memory, every time you slide your finger over the screen, opened a window, shrunk a window, or changed anything at all on the screen, you would have to wait for the screen data to be read from the storage media and painted back to the screen. It would be painfully slow.

But, I am not blaming you, they got you calling it memory now too. Everyone is saying it now. Women are *****es and hos. Friends are "home boys". I get it. English is a beautiful language because we have words to describe almost anything to a T, anger can be expressed in may different words, each of which has a subtle difference. ...sigh.

To gain our freedom from England, we had the revolutionary war against the English Redcoats. To do that we needed guns, troops, supplies that we didn't have. Back then there was no "Smith & Wesson Manufacturing Plant", just across the border in Virginia. Ben Franklin had to go over to France to convince the King of France to back us, give us the money and guns we need to defeat the English. How he spoke and what words he carefully chose were what it took to gain the support of the king of France. Ben was also good at "parties" where most of the French politics took place. Lewd dinner parties that lasted until way past sun up, not business hours.

Do you think Ben Franklin, John Addams, or any of the politicians of the day used *anything* other than exact proper English? Do you think it went something like this to gain the support of the king of France to and finance our revolution to win our freedom? Check this out, I am sure it went something like this:

Ben Franklin to The King of France:

Hey yo, kingie bra. You think you can give me and my homeboys some guns and stuff like that. ...you know what I'm saying. Because they ain't no way to kill dem *****es other than to pop a cap in they ass. ...you know what I'm saying? So I gots some fine *****es and hos that can hook you right up, my man, if you can give us lots of guns, ...you know what I'm saying, to mow dem *****es down, dog. ...you know what I'm saying, den we can get all our homies and hit da clubs, you know what I'm saying? And we par-tae down, you know what I'm saying. Just you and me, kingie brother. Yeeeah, dats rite, we be da kings now to dem *****es. ...you know what I'm saying?

LOL! :laugh:

I have 197 apps installed as per the updating apps screen when rebooting after a Dalvik Cache wipe or update.

Tom, a major clue was the one statement I left in from your reply.

the only way I could get the updated Facebook to install was to uninstall a couple of apps

One of your partitions is out of space. I had the same thing, had to uninstall stuff and delete files to get my app updates done too. I don't have that issue anymore, careful planning of the rom slots and partition sized fixed that issue up.

While I get a shower, can you get me some screenshots?

I need your /Settings/Storage screens. Let them calculate and when they settle down, screen cap all the way down the Storage screens. Can you get me a DiskUsage screen while you are at it? When you open DiskUsage, you get a white screen of what you want scanned. Pick /ss for the first screenshot. That is your entire internal sdcard. That screen will tell us what is in use and what is free. The tap upper left to go back and choose Storage Card. That will show us how everything is distributed. Play with this screen too. Slide your finger over to see all what is used. Pinch out to expand sections to get a better look at what takes up space and where things are.

I will attach those screenshot so you know what they look like. Don't care about /storage/sdcard1, that is your external sdcard. There is lots of good stuff in "Root Required" but I need that shower and I need to figure out what is important. In there you can view almost anything. Your safe strap partitions and everything on the system.

Somewhere in some partition, you are out of room. This is where apps are downloaded to prior to installing the apk file or even in the data partition where the apps are installed. We just have to find it. You might even find it with the tools I mentioned while in the shower. Look for a system partition that has little to no free space left. 100Mb is too low, look for something like that, okay? I just forgot which area it is in. It is being mislabeled by the system as lack of "memory" and if you think that media space is memory, then you would be right. But by strict definition of the word, media space is not memory unless it is swap space or in Windows, "pagefile.sys".

This is what I think. Sometimes I am not always right but by getting this out on the board, others will look and me, you, or somebody will spot it. Tonight it is kind of dead in here. Must be the holiday.

Hey YO, homeboy. If I helps ya out, you gotta tap my Thanks button, dog. Lest I get my homies to bust a cap in yo ass! ...know what I'm sayin? :D

Okay, get back to you soon, Tom. Get me those screenies please. :good: