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[Nexus 5 General] der_sascha:
My English is not good enough to understand what you want to say
[Nexus 5 General] DamnItLukasz:
So a bionic hybrid would be achievable? 'cause I'll kiss your feet
[Nexus 5 General] osm0sis:
No point hah. Bionic is only two files, and one (libc.so) is pretty much pointless to include, it does nothing. I went with the 1+One libm.so as my recommendation because it was the only unique one, vs. all the others, and I believe CM would be the ones to keep it updated/improve it further over the OEMs.

[MENTION=3117242]iamnotkurtcobain[/MENTION] Ninja'd you! ;)

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[Nexus 5 General] iamnotkurtcobain:
Bionic Hybrid? Currently using Z3 bionic.
[Nexus 5 General] osm0sis:
Attaboy! :highfive:

3 AOSP-compatible and 1 CAF-compatible sounds about right to me! We've covered all the interesting and logical possibilities (for AOSP especially) for the best-of-the-best optimizations, so now to see which is the favorite. :cowboy: :D

You might want to link to the previous Hybrid in your above post too, so there's a single post you can link people to to get to them all. :good:
[Nexus 5 General] simms22:
now, huh? hybrids?

one main question.. do they score better than z3 dalvik/bionic? or are you guys just adding more options?
[Nexus 5 General] osm0sis:
Bionic is the only thing that moves the needle noticeably on benchmarks, so Dalvik is all logic and subjective obvservation. We're just applying what we've learned to see if we can provide the best experience from all the files at hand. :)

Among the Bionics, they all score the same (and mostly are the same as well), so I just reasoned through my recommendation of 1+One, but you're certainly free to continue to favor the Z3 on your device. :good:
[Nexus 5 General] simms22:
ahh, ok. i understand now :)
[Nexus 5 General] Phazmos:
You mean the hybrids?

I've always found the opposite with non hybrids - bionic does little if anything, dalvik does a bit.
[Nexus 5 General] osm0sis:
Nope. What I'm saying applies to all of them, at least on my device running Stock. Bionics boost by ~4000 points on the old AnTuTu, very easily reproduced by switching the libm.so in use. Dalvik only improved it by a couple hundred at most on the old AnTuTu if I recall correctly, and doesn't really boost it at all with the new one.
[Nexus 5 General] gpvecchi:
I lost my mind on all these patches... So wich ones are the suggested?
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Done :silly:

[MENTION=4595850]jphilippon[/MENTION] could you please link Experimental Hybrids in your post? Thanks :)
[Nexus 5 General] Phazmos:
Really, I always had just the opposite. As a matter of fact, I never used to load any bionic zips cuz they never made a difference in any benchmark. Only the dalvik made a difference. I recently started using the bionic figuring what the heck, I might as well as long as I'm there.

Funny how that works!

I should note - not running stock, so I'm sure some work had been done to bionic already. Probably splains that, but always got a 10+% bump with dalvik.
[Nexus 5 General] simms22:
using dalvik, bionic doesnt make a difference. using ART, dalvik doesnt make a difference, but bionic makes a huge difference on ART. just like using the dalvik on dalvik.
[Nexus 5 General] osm0sis:
I also am coming to believe that the new AnTuTu is more garbage than ever. :p
[Nexus 5 General] simms22:
why?
[Nexus 5 General] osm0sis:
Because the scores never change anymore. I just discovered they don't even change with Bionic like they used to..

Bionic does make a difference on Stock, even using Dalvik; what [MENTION=3276129]Phazmos[/MENTION] is seeing is definitely because he is already on a ROM with an optimized one in use. :good:

I am on Stock using Dalvik and my benchmarks using the old AnTuTu showed the effect of adding the optimized Bionic quite clearly:

0a3a55e9df1922c989a7383e32f3a35b *system/lib/libc.so (~21500-22000)
e24bc6034ea4f430e9b7b8f10de6fe28 *previous\bionic\libc.so ~=
74f9d62bd5e844c20f8873a5d1bdecfa *Z2_bionic_and_dalvik_only\bionic\libc.so ~=
6878120dfd4b57cfe30fb1e17061ff11 *MotoX-ghost-tmo_4.4.3\bionic\libc.so ~=
4ef981ba3896c59cdb598b4219d1359d *OneM8-GPe_m8-Stock_4.4.3\bionic\libc.so ~=
53d4ef5f9c0c614a08dab2004bacfa71 *OTA_1+One-KVT49L-Complete\bionic\libc.so ~=
40878c34092bbbbb98750afcb997a3e0 *G3_BIONIC\system\lib\libc.so ~=

28cfa3e2bad9b24a9371d17b85397e18 *system/lib/libm.so (~21500-22000)
c839e016aedd459463f8549116d4ba12 *previous\bionic\libm.so (~25000-25500)
becc1e3a54888e345169ecd5de81c180 *OTA_1+One-KVT49L-Complete\bionic\libm.so (~25000-25500)

With the latest AnTuTu it just seems to always sit at ~27500, no matter what you do patch wise, even with none at all. :confused::(

I might have to find another benchmark that still works and redo my Dalvik benches.. :mad:

Oh well, all the important stuff we learned had nothing to do with my scores, anyway. ;)
[Nexus 5 General] simms22:
hmm.. consistency sucks :p
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
You can give any of the hybrids a go, we don't have one that we specifically suggest, since we've only just starting trying it. Unless of course you're using a partial/full CAF ROM, then I've only put up one so far.
[Nexus 5 General] osm0sis:
So do inflated scores and decreased sensitivity to legitimate changes. :p

See my edits above. :)
[Nexus 5 General] gpvecchi:
Yup, Mahdi; so you put 1+1 dalvik and libqc-opt.so from Z3 in it, right?

And for bionic: you recommend G3 as it's newer and osm0sis recommends 1+1 as it uses qualcom static. That's fine?

Thanks!
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
The Hybrids are Dalvik. Can't really/no point in Hybrid Bionic, [MENTION=4544860]osm0sis[/MENTION] explained on the previous page. Bionic is still up to you.

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That edit changed the meaning of your entire post lol :eek:

Yeah, if you look at the post I've stated which files are used in which Hybrids.

I don't have a real personal recommendation as I switch between various Dalviks/Bionics often.. Either of them should be fine as many others use both of those. Also see osm0sis' post in the Nexus 4 thread here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=53963337&postcount=1287
[Nexus 5 General] gpvecchi:
Thanks, we were writing/editing together (I was reading various posts and now I understand!)...

Your CAF Hybrid dalvik seems snappier, I'm now out of battery, tomorrow I'll test the 2 bionics...

Great work guys!
[Nexus 5 General] Phazmos:
Well, naturally. It's art, nothing to do with dalvik, I don't use art.

Still, always got a nice bump with dalvik - on custom roms - haven't run stock for any lengthy of time though. Custom follows quick enough so I just waited a week or 2 before moving to a new version.

Oh well, I'm happy, and hope others are too, that's what's important!
[Nexus 5 General] Android5ever:
What's the difference between

CM11 Dalvik

And

CM11 Dalvik_Final
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
One of them is newer. I don't think many people use those anymore lol.
[Nexus 5 General] nokiagye:
I have a Thought. It would very useful to add on first post some info about the roms and correct patches. Explain! On liquid rom working the one plus one bionic and OnePlus_One_DALVIK_-_CM_11s_XNPH22R_-_crom.

If all y post the roms you're and the patches that working on them no more boot loops..?
[Nexus 5 General] ale_191:
Hi, my score last week was about 42,000, is now about 38000. I installed the bionic + dalvik z3 , and now I tried to reflash the g3 bionic but the result does not change more ...

it is very strange... I have a nexus 5 with franco kernel and stock rom...

sorry for my bad english... :D
[Nexus 5 General] pookipsy:
hello,

im running my nexus with art runtime, do i need to set it back to dalvik to use this?
[Nexus 5 General] gharrrrrr:
Yes. You need to set back to DALVIK to enjoy performance boost in DALVIK. Since no where in this thread is optimized ART mentioned. Or you could try to read or maybe even search thread? Then you would find that others run ART but only use bionic mods (if I have to explain why...). Really it comes down to doing some READING or SEARCHING and you will find out how to use this. Cheers! Enjoy!
[Nexus 5 General] Audioboxer:
Don't have time to do much testing of the combos, but anxiously awaiting all you chaps giving them a go to see.

Currently, still running Z3 dalvik and bionic.
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
No, I will not.

1. A ROM can change, for example Carbon has recently switched to 100% CAF/CM base, and I think Purity changed some commits previously that affected these.

2. There are too many ROMs and no one would be willing to maintain it. If we had a list then some new ROM came along, they'll end up asking anyways.

3. I have a post explaining which types of Dalvik will work on what bases. If you don't even know your own ROM's base you need to do some more research, we are not going to spoonfeed you. If you aren't willing to learn, you don't belong here.

4. If you're still unsure, chances are someone else has tried these on the same ROM as you, so search. Use the search PROPERLY. It isn't a "Google" where you can entire an entire paragraph and get an answer, so be specific. Don't think your ROM is so unique that nobody else uses it, unless you built it from base yourself, in which case I'm pretty sure #3 would've been no issue for you in the first place.

5. Easy trial and error. If you fail the above, flash an AOSP one and if it boots/works without force closes, then it works. If it doesn't, then use a CAF one.

6. Majority of people don't read OP properly to find out what this even does, and look ONLY for download links and flash blindly. Then complain about boot loops when the answer was in the OP.
[Nexus 5 General] nokiagye:
ok.....
[Nexus 5 General] mastero9017:
Any idea which open-source dalvik and bionic is the most optimized?
[Nexus 5 General] syphern:
wow... cranky much
[Nexus 5 General] simms22:
i dont think any of them are open sourced, they are mostly, if not all, proprietary.
[Nexus 5 General] gharrrrrr:
[MENTION=576053]syfer[/MENTION]n Yes. That's why I ended it with "cheers" and "enjoy". To make sure the overly sensitive people see me as cranky not just being sarcastic. I always assume their low intelligence prevents them from knowing difference. See what I did there?
[Nexus 5 General] mastero9017:
I meant sources on github possible to compile. Noob in compiling ROMs, sorry :P
[Nexus 5 General] simms22:
na, since they arent opened source, there is no public code for you compile.
[Nexus 5 General] mc.cerny:
Hybrid_1+_Z3-AOSP-Dalvik.zip

Hybrid_1+_Z3_X2-AOSP-Dalvik.zip

Hybrid_1+_Z3_M8-AOSP-Dalvik.zip:

what is better for mahdi rom?
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
None, since Mahdi has CAF.

We don't even know which of those is "better" yet, as I said in that post.
[Nexus 5 General] mc.cerny:
so, can i flash hybrid...CAF dalvik.zip to mahdi rom ?
[Nexus 5 General] Audioboxer:
First post one plus one that says Mahdi next to it.

As for hybrid just nandroid and test it yourself.
[Nexus 5 General] mc.cerny:
tested "hybrid1...CAF dalvik.zip". working on the latest mahdi+elementalx...

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and how can I find out which version of dalvik I have?
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
I know what it works on already.

And to tell, check the md5 of the individual files. Or just remember which one you flashed in the first place? If you don't even know what you flashed, then I don't know what to tell you.
[Nexus 5 General] mc.cerny:
i thought app for control... sorry for my bad english...

regards from czech
[Nexus 5 General] Juzman:
*deleted*
[Nexus 5 General] mastero9017:
Hybrid_1+_Z3_M8-Dalvik.zip should go fine with AOSPA?
[Nexus 5 General] hellshinoda:
Is it ok to change to ART after flashing this mod?
[Nexus 5 General] J_Whit85:
Yes. The bionic is for ART
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Its been answered before and you can just try yourself.

No, Bionic is for both. Its separate from Dalvik/ART and not really related.
[Nexus 5 General] Audioboxer:
The CAF combo is working good on myfluxi's latest "full" CAF beta of CM.
[Nexus 5 General] gpvecchi:
As I said before, hybrid dalvik for CAF is snappy, but it doesn't benches good with G3 Bionic; just use it in combination with 1+1 bionic!
[Nexus 5 General] Dani897:
yeah, don't do that. the nexus 7 2012 has a tegra 3 chip which i think is a cortex a9... not a qualcom krait cpu.... different architectures altogether.
[Nexus 5 General] impulse101:
Flash the stock 4.4.1 rom in the n5 development forum
[Nexus 5 General] Nichie:
You will have to flash 4.4 system.img first to remove this mod then you can proceed with updating to 4.4.1. Provided you didn't flash any other thing.

If you did, will need to remove those as well of the update will fail
[Nexus 5 General] yyz71:
Huh :confused:
[Nexus 5 General] aavvaallooss:
Need this Mod on 4.4.1?

This Mod worked fine on 4.4. Now I´m on 4.4.1. Is this Mod still necessary or the OTA optimizes Dalvik already?
[Nexus 5 General] :
Hi,

Nope, you need to reflash them...

:)
[Nexus 5 General] letmedanz:
I would say most definitely..

Antutu scores (3 times average) after BL, Radio, Cataclysm update (dirty flash) 25k

Antutu scores (3 times average) after BL, Radio, Cataclysm update (dirty flash) and Franco r19 + Dalvik patch - 34k!!
[Nexus 5 General] shimdac:
I'm currently using ART, has anyone used both these tweaks and ART and can tell me which felt smoother? The benchmarks do not necessarily reflect a difference in day to day usage.
[Nexus 5 General] probiewankenobi:
Yep.

Tried on 4.4 though, don't know how they would perform on 4.4.1 now.

I haven't seen any improvements using dalvik patch (non even in camera shutter speed as someone said) ; but it does inflate benchmark score a lot.

ART, on the other and, seems to me to improve the app launching speed a bit but not so drastically.

TL;DR

ART do improve experience in daily usage, but not as much as you may expect. IMO.
[Nexus 5 General] MrPhilo:
ART animation is a lot smoother than Dalvik regardless, thats something i've noticed.
[Nexus 5 General] gtj0:
In case anyone needs to, here's update.zip that restores the stock 4.4.1 dalvik.

Attached or here... http://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23252070760974196
[Nexus 5 General] aavvaallooss:
404 - Not Found (Again... Attached files work bad since yesterday on XDA)
[Nexus 5 General] gtj0:
Added a link.
[Nexus 5 General] aavvaallooss:
Fixed!
[Nexus 5 General] ogboot:
Thanks for this. Easy enough to reflash system from fastboot but this will save some time.
[Nexus 5 General] gtj0:
Especially if you have other system customizations you don't want to lose. :)
[Nexus 5 General] ck.chunkeat:
So is this mod on 4.4.1 faster than art? or is art faster?
[Nexus 5 General] monkboy24:
Try it and tell us what u think bro
[Nexus 5 General] Web_E:
If you are not in stock, you can use this - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2557523

However you don't need to wipe data . It works. (Tested by several xda members including me :) )
[Nexus 5 General] 75markus:
one file is missing : libqc-opt.so

i did a research and couldn´t find it in a rom zip either

anybody knows what it does, and why it´s included in the patch ?
[Nexus 5 General] J_Whit85:
Oh my mistake
[Nexus 5 General] asd87:
Another noob question from me.

Swapping kernels changes the run time right? Wanna go back to stock kernel and wondering if I'll have to reflash the mods and rebuild the apps?
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Kernel is not related to runtime nor these AT ALL.
[Nexus 5 General] ali262883:
Will the z2 dalvik work on Mahdi rom?
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
No..
[Nexus 5 General] mc.cerny:
working "hybri1+z3 caf dalvik"

sent from nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] Assa551N:
If I install Z2 dalvim/bionic I got bootloop. People say that Purity is optimized, so how can I use my phone with other dalvik and bionic?
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Try the OnePlus One Dalvik. If that one doesn't work either then don't bother with these and just use the one that's included with your ROM.
[Nexus 5 General] wangdaning:
This thread should really be closed except, maybe, for updates to the files in the OP.
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Lol. It's just people not knowing about their own ROM and not knowing how to search when the same questions have been answered over and over again. Happens in just about every other thread which has a somewhat higher amount of traffic. Silly, but you can't really force people to learn when they just want to be spoonfed.
[Nexus 5 General] DamnItLukasz:
Today I switched back to dalvik so I could use some ART broken apps and I've experienced a big loss in performance using the Z3 dalvik patch on stock 4.4.4.

All my 'social' apps (Twitter, WhatsApp, Office, etc) were lagging as hell while scrolling or loading stuff, like they used to do in my old xperia neo v lolz. It's weird since they have 0 lags while using the G3 Bionic. Has anybody here experienced some kind of glitches with the Z3 dalvik?
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
I don't understand. You used only the Dalvik without Bionic on Dalvik and Bionic with ART?

Bionic isn't only for ART.. It isn't for either, its completely different and separate.
[Nexus 5 General] DamnItLukasz:
I switched back to Dalvik (with Z3 Dalvik/G3 Bionic installed) from ART and the performance while in dalvik with the Z3 dalvik patch was a lot worse than the stock 4.4.4 dalvik and a HELL worse than ART. In Settings for example, the scrolling was smooth as butter and there were 0 problems, but when using other apps the lag while using them in Dalvik was huge
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
You probably got used to ART or something. Maybe try wiping cache and Dalvik cache. There is no reason you would feel it's worse than the stock one. You should be feeling either an improvement or nothing.
[Nexus 5 General] osm0sis:
Also, always have an optimized Bionic flashed with it, since a lot of the Dalvik files rely on Bionic, so there will always be a performance boost over stock to Dalvik with Bionic flashed. Confused again yet? :p :good:
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Might even just be a scrolling cache issue. Lol.
[Nexus 5 General] Edge330:
Does updating from 4.4.2 to 4.4.4 removes ustom bionic and library files?
[Nexus 5 General] aavvaallooss:
Yes. You need to reflash
[Nexus 5 General] choosetobelieve:
Has anyone tried to flash on madi rom
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Yes, thousands of people have. Its CAF.
[Nexus 5 General] choosetobelieve:
Does those files improve performance? Not just for benchmark.
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
It should, but visual improvement is subjective. Some people say it helps a lot, some say it does nothing. Not much chance it makes anything worse, though.
[Nexus 5 General] Citizen_Snips:
Technically it's one of those hybrid ROMs. It is AOSP based, not CAF. Just has CAF optimizations, etc. Flash AOSP kernels on Mahdi. Uber, Franco, etc. ;)
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Yeah I know, was just saying CAF in reference to which optimizations to use :p
[Nexus 5 General] Citizen_Snips:
Oh okay. Yeah, that's true. Gotya
[Nexus 5 General] choosetobelieve:
There are several one plus files? Do you know which one for madi? I saw that there is a dalivk file for madi and slim.
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Any OnePlus One or CM11 one should work. The CAF hybrid I posted also will.
[Nexus 5 General] choosetobelieve:
So the link of dalvik has mentioned slim and madi is fine. Any particular reason that the link has mentioned two Roms. Thanks
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Not too sure about that one, I didn't post it lol. Think it just has installd omitted already.
[Nexus 5 General] Citizen_Snips:
Mahdi* There's an 'H' in there.
[Nexus 5 General] choosetobelieve:
Yes, Mahdi.
[Nexus 5 General] Assa551N:
OneplusOne dalvik and G3 bionic is compatible only CM ROMs, or CM and AOSP ROMs?
[Nexus 5 General] simms22:
generally, if its compatible with cm, it wont be compatible with stock or aosp. and if its compatible with stock/aosp, chances are that its not compatible with cm or anything cm based. the bionics should work on any though, its the dalviks that wont be compatible.
[Nexus 5 General] Assa551N:
Thank you very much, and is it possible that on Optipurity ROM, I get bootloop when install a bionic/dalvik because of the Theme Manager?
[Nexus 5 General] simms22:
with the theme manager, it is possible.
[Nexus 5 General] chimmychenga:
purity roms already has optimizations.
[Nexus 5 General] Assa551N:
I know, but I want to try another dalvik and bionic.
[Nexus 5 General] chimmychenga:
I would not try it. The difference is so small if it already has one. I tried it on PA and it got stuck in the bootlogo. Not sure with optipurity.
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
OP has a link to my post regarding Theme Manager and Paranoid Android.
[Nexus 5 General] choosetobelieve:
Does any ROM should be excluded to use those files? Such as purity ROM. Madhi ROM should be fine. Right??
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Not sure what you're saying but you need to use the installd that comes with your ROM.
[Nexus 5 General] brown_89:
Which is now the best combination dalvik/bionic for the CM11 M10?

Edit: ok, i think that the right dalvik to flash is Dalvik_CM11_final.zip... I'm right? And bionic?
[Nexus 5 General] choosetobelieve:
I mean that some roms have been optimized so there is no need to flash twice.
[Nexus 5 General] simms22:
just becaude they are optimised, doesnt mean that itll be better than a flashable dalvik/bionic.
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
Any CAF one will do. Any Bionic works in any ROM.
[Nexus 5 General] brown_89:
Thank you!
[Nexus 5 General] Pippo_Inzaghi:
Calls ends

Hi, I'm on mahdi rom 09/03, sweep to wake = 'on', timeout = '5min' dirty flash.

During call if I don't interact whith phone (only speak whith interlocutor), at timeout call go down, any bady have this trouble?

If proximity sensor enable display that's ok, the call don't ends and so if interact with volume botton etc.

Sorry for my english! :)
[Nexus 5 General] Elluel:
This isn't related, you're posting in the wrong thread.
[Nexus 5 General] Pippo_Inzaghi:
I'm sorry :D