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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Allein8:
If this is your first smartphone, I can see the frustration, but as someone that owned the G1 (first Android), I think carrier's and oems have improved a lot over the years. It sucks not having the latest and greatest, but that comes with diversity of Android unfortunately.

Releases this year:

4.2.2 Feb 2013

S4 April

4.3 July

4.4 Oct

4.3 was released 4 months ago. The S4 was released 6 months ago. The fact that Samsung/Carriers have got it out to anyone is amazing to me compared to how it was before. It isn't as easy as some make it out to be for them to update everything. Would it be great if it came out sooner, sure, but you purchased a device that hopefully ran well out of the box. Updates are just icing and unless I'm mistaken, not promised at all or on a set schedule.

ROMs are more than a silver bullet for carriers lagging. They generally are a step up from whatever carriers are releasing. They are more feature packed and faster than the bloated crap that carriers slap on their phones.

The rom I'm using has the updates tmo skipped (apps2sd) along with a lot of other customization features, but it is missing Wifi Calling (which I don't use). It will be updated to 4.3 (with Wifi Calling) as well and I will continue to use it instead of stock because stock does not compare.

Not to be rude or make excuses, but if you "need" features of 4.3, you should buy a phone with it or that will get it on a set schedule (GE). Tmo may lag this time, but it could be the first to drop 4.4, no one knows a head of time. You can either wait (patiently or not) or utilize the great thing about Android, freedom, and "update" it yourself through other means. To me, a phone should at least ship with the version released before it. After that, I'm fine playing the update game. Could be like iPhones and only get one update a year, a year after each devices release.

As far as the credit check & bank account. No clue why you were told you needed them, especially a bank account. I've switched carriers several times (on contract and prepaid) and never heard of a bank account being needed. Maybe it's where you live or misinformed employees or I'm just lucky.

I couldn't find much except http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-7241 which shows no credit check, but a deposit $10-50 is needed. Again, I used the $30 plan, so maybe it is exempt from the same requirements, but I would look into further instead of paying for prepaid airtime cards. Sounds like either you have to do a small deposit or a credit check, no idea what would happen if you had poor credit as you aren't signing a contract or anything else that ties you to t-mobile beyond a month to month payment.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] kolyan:
I dont have high hopes fo Tmo S4 to ever see 4.4.....meanwhile HTC One should be getting that in Jan. S4 will be lucky to get 4.3 in Dec

I've relied on WIFI Calling for a few years, but now I dont really use it. So far I switched to PacMan ROM...so far go so. I only miss the camera soft.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] RiverCity.45:
Yeah. I never doubted that the promised rollout date would pass without the update being released. Expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed. LOL!

Sent telepathically
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hoggles:
The S4 will eventually get 4.4. The Tmo S3 just got 4.3, 2 days ago. The only problem is that Tmo may skip 4.3...and wait 6 months till they release 4.4 for our device.

In any event, I'm very happy with my set up. My S4 is smooth as butter and flies. Thanks to Waman 1.4 and Nova.

Again.... thank gawd for XDA!!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] fbueller:
Samsung has put pressure on carriers to release 4.3 so they work with the Gear. We'll get 4.3, no way in hell we're skipping it to go to 4.4. Chillax.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] anl2304:
Is that a possibility? Skipping 4.3? I mean they skipped the previous update and were supposed to go straight to 4.3.

Thanks for the tip. I will check out Wanam.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] The Root:
No. They want it in time for Christmas.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] elesbb:
I agree. Samsung (not T-Mobile) is pushing this update. They simply want their devices compatible with galaxy gear.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] mintu123:
Tmobile s3 have update and att s3.this is shame that s4 dont even have a leak.had my gear for month sitting on dresser.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] grncherry:
Not to be rude but what are you expecting TMo to do. 4.3 was released to other carriers and pulled again. Do you expect them to play stupid and release it knowing full well there are problems and have to pull their update also, what sense would that make. Maybe a little intelligent forethought is in order.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
It's not a case of "how hard it is for carriers in general" it's "how hard is it for T-Mobile". T-Mobile skipped the second update entirely and they will be dead last to come out with 4.3. This has nothing to do with Verizon, Sprint, or AT&T; it's T-Mobile's problem.

Custom ROMs REMOVE features and trade stability for speed. The exception are near-stock ROMs like Goldeneye, but even then, certain applications that rely on Samsung drivers (Beep n go) don't work on it. Every single day on this site, Reddit, and tech blogs and aggregates everywhere I see people complaining about "x" being incompatible with their ROM, or having "y" issue. I've found it much easier to stick with stock and customize my experience with Xposed, rather than go through that headache.

Brilliant logic. "If you like your phone and you want updates for it, buy a different phone entirely without the features or anything that makes that phone relevant to your interests besides getting updates to support features you just lost". People who make up these half assed excuses for the companies are precisely why this sort of thing is allowed to happen. "Who cares about updates? Let the phone run buggy; they'll buy it and shut up and be happy because they should be grateful they get a phone at all!"

Just because you have zero standards doesn't mean everyone else does.

It's lagged on every occasion it has had the chance to update the Galaxy S4, except for the release, which let's be honest, had more to do with Samsung than T-Mobile. There is nothing that would indicate T-Mobile will be different with 4.4, and a mountain of evidence that says in fact they won't be.

Oh iPhones....you mean those ones where the entire lineup gets an update? Yes, how horrible would it be if we were stuck with one update a year on a well optimized platform. It's much better to ship a phone with more issues and update once a year, than ship with fewer and update once a year. At least, where T-Mobile is concerned.

I have good credit; good credit isn't the problem. The problem is the notion that a prepaid service, something they could easily cut off in a heart beat the second I don't pay, requires more information than it took to get my passport. In a post-9/11 world, that's saying something. Maybe all three people I spoke to were wrong. Maybe the official T-Mobile website I tried to use to subscribe to a prepaid line was wrong.

But here's the kicker: Even if they're all wrong, and I don't need to give my State ID, SSN, and bank account details to set up a prepaid line, that level of incompetence still comes back around to showing a good reason not to ever use T-Mobile service again. Imagine if you were told to give those details to any other company that demanded them for no reason other than "they want them". Would you feel comfortable? What am I saying; you probably would. Regardless, I didn't. And that+the lack of updates+the lack of coverage outside the city is why I won't use their service the next time around.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] mintu123:
Im not being rude.but ur being stupid.the update was released is lot better then what we got now.not perfect
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] egren58:
Okay guys sorry my friend just calle me samsung saying again not to push the update. Acording to him he said the update is causing xtreme battery drain and issues with phone over heating when conected to lte. He said he signed to get a test device. Maybe he will get it. But he said no estimated date as of now. But he did tell me this... the current 4.3 update its too buggy. Alot of flickering etc. And overheating. Like I said before idk if this info is correct im just fowarding what he told me as he is working for tmobile. (Iphone tester) hopefully he gets the test device and maybe ill convince him to root it...

tbh im not trying to rush this update if the issues he said are true.. I guess the update is heavier than we thought. :(:(
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] anl2304:
So, to summarize: has t mobile lagged with the updates for this phone. Yeah they have. Is that the main issue here? Not so much. With all the issues with 4.3 across all the carriers, it smells of a rush job by Samsung to get 4.3 out since it works with the Galaxy gear. As slow as t mobile has been with the updates, I cannot blame them for not releasing buggy updates. Because, believe me, we would all be complaining strongly here on Xda about the crappy update.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] joetowel:
I have been reading about this 4.3 update on all the threads for a while now, and they all just about come to the same conclusions about this whole ridiculous situation.

My question is, how come there are no major problems with the official 4.3 google editions?

Also, why is there no problems with the note 3? it shipped with 4.3, and I have friends with this device, and they have not had any real concerns.

I just do not get it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] kolyan:
Poor QA maybe
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] baseballfanz:
All these peoples crying about late or no update will be the same peoples crying about bugs in the update.:D

☞ Sent from here☜???
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] allenjthomsen:
4.3 will be almost flawless regardless if not flawless completly when its released. I can patiently wait im using the 4.3 system dump rom on my phone with stockup kernel and it runs great
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] tylerholbrook:
Lol then they will be crying that htc gets 4.4 and we don't in January. .. And on and on
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Allein8:
Mileage varies, but every day on XYZ I see people complaining about what carriers put on devices as well. Rom I'm using is TW and has all or as little Samsung bloat that I want, 100% stable, faster, better battery life, more features, etc and only thing it is missing is Wifi Calling (haven't bothered to look into it as I don't use it). Has app2sd and the other things t-mo skipped for whatever reason as well.

Again, if you are new to smartphones I get the annoyance. But this has and will be the way things are for at least the near future. GE, Nexus and maybe newer Motorola devices receive updates first because they are designed that way. Samsung doesn't print "Will update within 1 month of Google release date" on their boxes. Would be amazing, but not reality.

I don't understand why you and others want 4.3 so bad. If your device is unstable, I'm not sure how 4.3 will fix that. Seems to be a case by case basis and happens on all devices regardless of OS, OEM, Carrier, etc. I have standards and if I paid a decent amount for a product and it didn't function properly, I would return it for another or go somewhere else, simple.

Since I use custom roms, OTA updates aren't very important. For any "fixes" 4.3 brings people, it will bring on more problems, hence why some carriers are halting the update.

I would rather have multiple smaller updates that may or may not make it to my device quickly, instead of nothing for an entire year where I will most likely be getting a newer device anyway and could care less. Again, thanks to roms, we can get features that updates bring without having to have the entire thing or at least not an official release from a carrier. If your device isn't updated after a year, I would be angry, but it seems they are arriving sooner as Android matures.

Just for the heck of it, I went through the activation process for one of the extra prepaid sim cards I have (got a few when they were free) and I didn't have to enter my name when activating it. I did it so quickly the first time, didn't remember. It asked for my birth date, email, state, city and if I wanted to port my number over or not. No name, bank account, credit check, etc. I was able to pick any plan I wanted as well. I also checked with my brother who activated in a store and he gave them a fake name, although that was a while ago.

So either where you live has really strict rules or something is up with your process. Maybe you didn't have a "prepaid" sim card, no idea if they are different then a postpaid or any other.

At the end of the day, you could of returned your device the moment you realized you couldn't get the service, care, features, etc that you wanted. Seems like you had a string of bad luck with the game of smartphone roulette and hopefully next time it goes better. I believe there may be solutions to some of your issues if you are willing to explore, but if not, good luck waiting. You should still have a great device that does what was promised when you purchased it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] egren58:
Google edition and touchwiz... umm totally different.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] joetowel:
Thats very nice, I'm glad you pointed that out.:rolleyes:

note 3 has the touchwiz 4.3
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] peppersu812:
This thread here. Haha :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] PTetu:
Used 4.3 on Nexus 5 briefly - CoWorker now using it

As someone else mentioned, the 4.3 system dump ROM is running well with the StockUp kernel on the S4 currently.

I really enjoyed the lack of bloat in the Google version of 4.3 while I was using our Nexus 5.

Worth a little wait if you don't want to mess with anything but official upgrades. Hold your horses :p
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] coyttl:
I'm confused..

With all the custom ROMs out there that are already on v4.3 or v4.4, why is there such big amounts of cares towards the official v4.4? (or official v4.3?)

--Me.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] allenjthomsen:
I mentiond the syatem dump and stockup kernel working good have had no issues with screen wake data loss
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] elesbb:
I'm guessing you're always in lte
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] zorprime01:
Personally I like my s4 just the way it is... 4.3 or whatever comes after won't change the fact that we truly have an amazing phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] fbueller:
Because the system dumps you're seeing don't have a radio upgrade as well. Consequently, there are a bunch of dropped radio/bluetooth/wifi issues that can only be rectified by matching the new ROM with a new radio firmware.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] gdmlaz:
yea if you don't walk out of an LTE area..... once you start going places that you start switching towers and end up out of an LTE zone you end up with no reception for a little till it comes back up...... That is deff not reliable unless you don't care about miss calls or late ass text messages/emails/etc...... We need the correct RADIO for any 4.3 tw rom to work correctly reason why we all are waiting for the official release to get the radio that we so much need
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] allenjthomsen:
Not always i work in a non lte area and dont have an issue
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] gdmlaz:
God most have blessed ur phone then lol :p

On a brighter note htc promised an update to kitkat 4.4 to all the htc one's even branded ones by the end of January.... Maybe we will get our 4.3 by the end of January also LMFAO
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] sharpeyedman:
Lte does not support voice. Thats why lte connection will always be dropped to 4g hspa or 2g edge whenever u dial or receive a call.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] luxubu_dang:
It is kinda funny seeing people keep moaning on TMO support site.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ddizzy81:
My last HTC phone took forever to get updated. And now that I been on the Samsung ship for the last year now they want to be on top of their game with updates ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] HampTheToker:
I guess the complainers in this thread would rather have a buggy new radio than stick with the one that works.

Personally, I don't want to see an update until they get it sorted out. I can do without updates that break my perfectly functional device as it is. If you want timely updates at the expense of functionality, then maybe you should have gotten the new iProduct complete with nipple scanner for added security.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Cynagen:
Baseband/radio and firmware/OS are different beasts entirely. The 4.3 radio could work perfectly fine, and the bugs are in the OS, this would still cause them to pull the entire update because they never deliver standalone firmware/basebands, or the radio could be the problem and the OS is bugging because of it, and then we'd have a problem. Either way, you can't be certain what the actual problem is without getting your hands on both the radio and OS separately and testing them. Looking at the 4.3 system dump we got, it appears that it works okay, but that's with a 4.2.2 radio, not 4.3, so there's still the question. I will however say that based on the fact that ALL LTE devices that were slated for 4.3 either got delayed or pulled, it's likely it's a combination of the radio and OS.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] norml:
This thread title needs to be changed.

And the team/people involved with T-Mo's M919 4.3 update need to be hacked and trolled.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] coyttl:
Oh, okay. I haven't experienced any of that on my particular phone, that I noticed. :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] One8e7:
I hate this thread. Every time I see there is a new post I expect to see. Pulling my update now. And all it is, is garbage bs.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] princeasi:
Some of the whinning in here is pure comedy!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ddizzy81:
Not complaining but how is it that the gs3 got 4.3 before us lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Skipjacks:
It's only fair. They bought their phones first! :laugh:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] gdmlaz:
Lmfaoooo ????
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] gypsy214:
I would like to ask a simple question. Why are you so trigger to get 4.3? Physically there is no changes.

You will get bored with it as you will with 4.2.2

And you all know that 4.3 comes with knox so we will have to be more careful.

So why the rush? My phone is working fine with 4.2.2 and not really rushing it to update. And if the update is out I dont think that I will jump to it that quick. I will take my time

If the update were with more features then I will consider. Kinda like when 4.1.2 premium suites for the s3
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] aaronl:
I can't speak for everyone else, but I want it for the Bluetooth 4.0 low energy support. Samsung promised it as a release feature, and I've been waiting since then to actually be able to use it! I have a few pieces of fitness gear that are much less useful without it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] gdmlaz:
Color Emoji which android has been behind since forever finally got pushed in 4.3 and knox comes in the version str8 from samsung as soon as a dev gets it they deodex it root it and remove knox..... Like all the 4.3 tw versions that are in the international rom or even the leaked version that we have that is missing the modem they are both knox free
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] jonahtriangle:
Don't take this the wrong way but if you are in such a hurry to have your hand tell you that your pocket is ringing. Why don't you just flash a ROM with it?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] aaronl:
Heh, no not that, more heart-rate monitor and pedometer, where real-time feedback is nice to have. I use wifi calling/texting quite a lot, or I would just flash another ROM, but I'm stuck with TW for the moment and don't want to worry about the signal problems the leaked base seems to have with the current modem.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] TheTearMaker:
Absolutely. :thumbup:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] rahlquist:
Hmm not quite correct. 4.3 is when trim support is introduced and those who know, understand thats a major improvement.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] kolyan:
Yes there are lots of changes in 4.3 android and improvements to 4.3 TW. Including bug fixes for current S4 and compatability for apps that only run on 4.3, and all that galaxy gear support.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] jbreeze228:
Don't forget the update gives us app2sd support, the fix for the purple smear when scolling that all s4's have, better ram management, and a whole bunch of goodies lots of people have listed
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] kolyan:
Improvement to camera/software too
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hoggles:
The purple smear that all S4's

had

not have.

Tmo for some unknown reason was the only carrier on the planet, to not roll out the second major 4.2 .2 update, the address to all of those bugs.

That was many many months ago... Late June I believe.

I feel sorry for peeps who have to have WiFi calling, and therefore have to stay on MDL.

If you don't need WiFI calling, you really need to at least flash MGA from the international forum.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcbofkc:
Please make the whining stop. Buy the phone you can afford. If it is in line with your needs then make the purchase. Describe another industry that hands out freebies.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] jctusa7:
Update rolling now out now!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] elesbb:
That's one damn good Photoshop ;)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] jctusa7:
It ain't Photoshop amigo ;)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] elesbb:
I know I was just kidding xD
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] 13silencer13:
So is this really true 4.3 update is rolling out today
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] jbreeze228:
No, you're hallucinating. T-Mobile would never release this update.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] gdmlaz:
Is this real ??? U better share this if it is lol

---------- Post added at 10:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:03 AM ----------

Deff seems like is real a bunch of people are posting the update now we just need a dev to grab their hands on it to make a rom and extact that stupid modem we need so badly :D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2543597
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] The Root:
T-Mobile news just posted on Twitter
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Paxdad:
Update is rolling out

Update IS rolling out now confirmed on my device. Can't post a screen but this happening for real finally
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] tommykair21:
Any bugs yet? Whomever download into device and test all. Wifi, gps, etc.? Can you please confirm
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] princeasi:
Shoot, I'm not updating until I get clarity on this Knox issue. When I decide to jump, I don't want any problems.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] jbreeze228:
I've been running the 4.3 update since 4:30 this morning without any issues. Haven't seen many others running the new update but I can confirm wifi, gps, data work without a hiccup.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Carlos2200:
Cant wait to get home and switch boards for that update! And the other board is from my crushed phone unfortunately.