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[Project Ara General] gzetski:
I have been somewhat following the whole Phonebloks and ARA scene, participating in the Dscout missions, and generally have to say that there is a lot of buzz and hype with very little meat behind it. The general populace is thinking legos, colors, fancy shmancy materials, and other appearance related nonsense. There seems to be very little technical content, and the majority of the crowd seems to be lured by key words such as "eco", "reusable", "repairable", "customizable" and so on.

Certainly, in terms of driving sales, this is good attention, something Motorola needs.

The downside, however, seems to be that people do not understand how things work, have no patience for it, and want things to "just work."

I highly doubt that this will be something that is user friendly out of the box.

The biggest misconception seems to be that you will be able to build anything you want out of this. If this idea is not curbed, this project will fail. People will become disappointed. Already they seem to think that they can have an espresso maker and a telescope added to the thing.

On top of it all, Motorola has a track record of taking good ideas and executing them poorly. Think Atrix lapdock.

So what is the clear mission of this project?

Ease of repair? That can already be done using current production methods. Look at the iPhone vs Galaxy series in terms of screen replacement. Its night and day.

Reusing parts? What could you reuse from an iPhone 4 when building a 5s? The headphone jack? Batteries die, radios, memory, sensors, processors, become old news by the time they hit the assembly line, and screens evolve at a fast pace.

There is no mention of a core device with expansion bays, the project seems to suggest you could swap all basic components on the fly. This is nonsense. Is it really worth taking steps back to make separate little bricks for Bluetooth, Wifi, NFC, GSM radio, etc., when current production methods can squeeze these into a single system-on-chip design at a fraction of the cost?

Imagine for a minute if Googorola took the Moto X approach to hardware: You log into your Motomaker account, and at checkout you pick your options. 3 choices of screen size, 3 choices of processors, 3 choices of storage capacity, an 8, 13, or 16 Mpix camera, 3 different battery capacities, cdma, gsm, or global radio, etc., then once you select your hardware, you customize the case colors, and you're done.

I know this rant is way into the TL;DR territory, but there are other factors to consider, perhaps profitability being paramount. Open source phone, with open source modules, etc. How will Motorola make $ on this? How long till knock off modules hit the market? What is the pricing scheme, etc.

I would love to get a serious discussion going, touching on some of the things I brought up.
[Project Ara General] Ohm_Dawgg:
I wouldn't say they're doomed from the start but their social network app and stuff seems pretty gimmicky to me. I definitely think that modular phones are in the future but they need to spend more time talking about the actual hardware and open sourcing drivers and stuff instead of their weird Instagram clone in my opinion. I'm still staying optimistic if they don't do it someone else will.

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[Project Ara General] Neurom707:
Nice idea, but people here at xda would have a nightmare with such a thing, meaning rom development for every and each component combination.......
[Project Ara General] MunkinDrunky:
Lets ask ourselves, when would it be appropriate or papamount to upgrade a hardware component of any of our phones now? The reasoning now is more like, 'it would be cool if we could'. I cant think of any

necessary

reason now for needing to change harware unless it needs repair. I believe necessity should be a starting point for this whole concept. Necessity often drives truly good design.
[Project Ara General] pingpong1109:
I personally think that this would be good because of the fact that technology advances at such a rapid pace that being able to upgrade your components when a better version comes out would be good. Obviously there would be some compatibility issues between some parts that would be unavoidable. It would be more for the person who wants the high end device. Take me for example, I have the S4 and I love it but next year when the S5 comes out it wouldn't be the latest and greatest and I can't upgrade for two years. I could love a Moto X but I don't wanna pay the off contract price for it. So I think this is the only time it would be good and efficient, not a huge game changer but a slight game changer.

Also about the knock off or cheap parts, if they have the drivers and protocols open source than it shouldn't be to big of an issue, not anymore than buying a knock off replacement screen. Still something to look out for when buying modules.
[Project Ara General] marcioafoliveira:
I think that the idea from Phoneblocks or Ara are really good but I think that the project will prospere ;)
[Project Ara General] cowsaregnarly:
Now I don't know if you were aware, but Google only owns Motorola's Research Lab. The actual company was purchased by Lenovo a few weeks ago.

Besides, I sort feel the same way, because, besides the hubbub, it doesn't seem like a very user friendly process in my mind. That's why I think it feels like nothing more than a research project with a couple of news reporters locked inside their facilities.

Don't forget to hit thanks if I helped!
[Project Ara General] sokrboot:
In the beginning, they will have to offer options in a controlled environment like one poster abive said. It will be similar to

1. CHOOSE YOUR PROCESSOR:

a. Good

b. Better

c. Best

Etc etc....

The first question probably will be "Choose Your Carrier". Then all of the module choices will be pre-screened to function together on that network.

Samsung Galaxy S4 "Fort Knox Edition"
[Project Ara General] PenguinStyle:
Guys, believe in Google. They made a search engine wich is now the most used engine. They also made a very good browser, an operating system for mobiles, an online map wich has street view and many other good things. Why they couldn't make project ara?
[Project Ara General] LaputaCake:
Just making sure it wasnt a misinterpretation but google did not create android, Android Inc founded by andy rubin(correct me if im wrong) http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...e-phones/a-complete-history-of-android-470327
[Project Ara General] SynGates:
All those things you mention are software, that runs on high performance computers. What ARA requires is a total rethinking of the hardware and engineering of today's mobile phones.

Can any module be swapped for some other type of module? How do they interface? What bandwidth limitations do these interfaces introduce?
[Project Ara General] Justinchi:
The ARA developers conference already answered most of this, so its possibility is not the question. Its availability and adaptability is the question. Will people flock to it or despise it?? Will it make people feel more in control?

If google can advertise this thing as something that gives people more power it will definitely catch on. Plus if Google is truly looking to start their own mobile network as rumoured, then they could start in that manner and make others envious to catch on.
[Project Ara General] replicamask:
It's going to be a wait and see what happens on release thing I think. I don't personally don't think it's going to explode instantly onto the mobile scene but give it a year or two and hopefully it will start changing the game. With everything being open source it might pave the way for smaller companies to get into the handheld scene where they don't have the money or resources to develop full devices but can focus on just a single module. Much like the way of the custom pc market.
[Project Ara General] billydroid:
My sentiments exactly.
[Project Ara General] crolikman:
Koreans will really fight against this project. They won't be willing to loose the cellular market to Google. ARA has a lot of potential in developing countries, provided the prices for modules will be adequate. But yes, even with adequate pricetag such innovation will require a drastic change in marketing-infected minds of people.
[Project Ara General] alph1793:
I hope it could work really well. I'd like to see the ability to transfer all the core modules from one endo 'frame' to another - SIM, WiFi, ROM, storage plus camera and perhaps CPU/RAM from a larger 'everyday' frame to a smaller 'night out' frame. I'd like an 'everyday' camera and a 'holiday' camera. I might carry a speaker module, but would swap it in against a torch module only for those occasions I'd need it. I'd carry spare battery modules and expect to see external chargers for them.
[Project Ara General] till22:
Didn't read the whole thread, but I'd say the whole "eco friendly" concept is BS from the beginning. People will start buying new components everytime they are out, thus generating MORE electric waste.
[Project Ara General] Justinchi:
This is possible and a good point. I think they could counter this by placing some inherent value on modules so you could trade them in for cash or credit towards other modules.

I think this will work much better than trading in phones since all modules should work for all ara phones.
[Project Ara General] ralphclark:
What you all need to remember is that the microcomputer revolution didn't really become a mass market phenomenon until the IBM PC arrived with its open "Industry Standard Architecture". This allowed the rapid emergence of third party expansion cards and other "PC compatible" hardware, and "PC clones". Not only did this accelerate the pace of technology development it also pushed prices down significantly. If IBM had not made the PC architecture both expandable and open, general purpose computing would have remained an expensive and specialised tool available only to business and the very rich. Imagine the effect that wouls have had on the development of the worldwide web a decade later.

If you are of the generation who grew up uaing laptops you may not have realised that modular technology is cheaper and more flexible, and it means longer hardware lifecycles.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Horeb7:
Hi,please help, I don't know how to root my i9502 with the new FW 4.3

Thanks in advance

Horeb7
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Horeb7:
Root

I think in China they can root the device, but with my English I don"t understand how to do, maybe you?

http://bbs.gfan.com/android-6906006-1-1.html
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Horeb7:
Root

It is possible to flash" i9502-cwm-recovery.tar.md5" and then install "YourZgappsXS-4.2.2-2013.05.15" then you have Play Store

works but the Gmail account no works.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Horeb7:
Alone

Why don't write anybody anything? I think I am the only one that have this phone (:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zebster:
Yesterday i've flashed I9502ZNUEMK2 through ODIN.

I couldn't find a way to rrot, in fact, the problem i guess it was the Knox.

I flashed back to I9502ZNUCMG2 thorugh ODIN and flashed the SVA 2.5 in TWRP.

I'll try again later. With no root it's useless, i can't get gapps and change the samsung apps.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Horeb7:
Hi Zebster,

I have all the Apps from Play Store, and they all function, only problem is the mails sometimes they stops,I know , without root is this phone not perfect.

Is there anybody who has a good connection to the chainfire?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haggar11:
any progess?

Hi guys

Any progress on rooting 4.3 on Samsung I9502 ?

I manage to get it rooted from the link above, however this above chinese program does not install CWM so we can install google play and other stuff?

Any help will be good, or any way to flash CWM is appericated

Thanks
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Horeb7:
Try to flash the custom recovery TWRP 2.6.3.1 for I9500

and by recovery when you reboot, it ask you if you want to root, so you can root it, but, the 4.3 is not without mistakes, not all the apps function, but try it maybe you find other possibility to make better.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haggar11:
Could not agree more, 4.3 is not stable at all, and if you upgrade , downgrade is NOT POSSIBLE .. all guys must take care here. i have also notice all attempts to put CWM would crropt the system and you will end up getting upgrade error on your i9502 screen. the only way to revive it again is to reflash 4.3 again.

Are you sure TWRP 2.6.3.1 for I9500 does work with I9502 4.3 rootted ?

Is it possible to flash google play 4.2.2 or there is another version available for 4.3 ?

Thanks in advance, we want to make this thread reference for others :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Horeb7:
Yes you are right, it is not possible to turn back to FW 4.2.2 (:

and I tried again to root with TWRP2.6.3.1 but it was no possible, I think I had luck one time, but anyway this rom 4.3 is not perfect, many apps like Copilot, SwiftKey Keyboard and more... are no working, I hope they make update soon and someone find a root...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tibii02:
Tanks

Thanks :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Horeb7:
Root

Okay,my i9502 is rooted and works all:

-I9502ZNUEMK2_I9502CHUEMK2_CHU (over odin)

-i9502-cwm-recovery.tar.md5 (over odin)

-YourZgappsXS-4.2.2-2013.05.15 (over recovery)

and than give the Google account etc.

and after,

-openrecovery-twrp-2.6.3.1-i9500 (over odin)

-UPDATE-SuperSU-v1.75 (over TWRP recovery)

and than

-Titanium backup pro

-Knox Notification Manager 1,0 Freeze (with Titanium backup pro)

-Language Enabler (and choose Language)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haggar11:
[MENTION=2649007]Horeb7[/MENTION] does all language available , can u share the link for this rom, the available rom o jave does only contain chinese and english language
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neogta:
Hello, I tried your method but still can not get Google Apps to work, It keeps crashing ...

I also have a message about UID not beeig coherent on which I can click "I feel lucky"

Will be trying again with YourZgapps for 4.3 and anoter Recovery
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neogta:
Finally get it to work :)

DO NO root before you configured Google :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Horeb7:
Hi, you don't have all language, but after root you install from Play store the app"Language Enabler and you will have all the language.

The Stock rom, you can have from Sammobile, you must register and download.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haggar11:
Thanks alot did all the step, however the main problem is Samsung chinese IME keyboard, that keyboard does not support arabic language. all my attemps of installing another rom have failed the i9502 does not accept any other country rom except china!

Also flashing samsung IME keyboard.ZIP does not overwrite chinese keyboard or install samsung IME keyboard,

Any guidance will be appericated.

Cheers
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zebster:
anyone knows how to replace keyboard and accuweather to the international version?

It's not possbile only replacing apk files.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haggar11:
Not really yet, the only way out is to manage to downgrade to 4.2.2 then install sva 2.5, but even downgrade is a chellange.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sielik:
Hello

I got a i9502 from etota**, got 4.3 and it's rooted but it's done bad. Gapps gots error all the time but the main problem is NFC does not turn on. I replace the battery but it not help. I think its caused by a bad root, but reflashing to stock 4.3 and then to SV* Rom do not help.

Second problem battery drains very quicky, 2-3 % when not using, 2 sims working, 1 google account.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mansour1985:
New version kitkat 4.4.2

New update firmware is out now go to this link

Search in the youtube "I9502 I9502ZNUGNE2 Android 4.4.2 KitKat Official"

I cannot post a link here because of the website policy
[HTC Jetstream] finniest:
Here is a picture of the main board of a Jetstream. I took off the heat cover doors, but other than that yours will look the same. For reference -- these components are very near the microSD slot, but face the LCD screen.

Note the Samsung memory in the top left!
[HTC Jetstream] cx5:
Thanks finniest, can we have the big picture file instead of this small one? :)
[HTC Jetstream] finniest:
I'm still getting used to this forum engine. I added a link to the full image.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] secondguess:
Am about to purchase a GPS bluetooth receiver for my XDA Exec - I'm interested in either the Ledtek 9553 or Holus GR 236. :D

Whilst there main use will be car navigation - with the right software could they also be used for orienteering and letterboxing?

Does anyone know of good orienteering software that would use grid references as mapping points?

Thanks again

Jean
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cconradwv:
Are there currently any ROMs that have the fix for sprint data?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] toprock23:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2518833

Flash the APN for Sprint. It works on all roms with data issues.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tvdang7:
I notice on my nexus 7 that there is a quick setting toggle why doesn't the 5 have it? Might just get a custom rom just to add that and flash light to the quick settings.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gokpog:
It's not 4.4, it's tablet vs phone. You don't have the rotation lock with 4.3 on a Nexus 4/Galaxy Nexus either. You'll have to ask Google why that is.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Petrovski80:
Annoying isn't it. I'm waiting for Xposed to be compatible with 4.4, then I can use Gravitybox mod to customize the toggles like I did with my GNEX.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] greenkabbage:
Or you can use something like Notification Toggle to put all the toggles you want into the notification drawer. I use the Wifi, Rotate, Flashlight, and Mobile Data toggles.
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] Daniel_Deega:
Everytime I update the Gear Manager and hit the Restore button all the sideloaded apps on the gear get deleted

What to do?
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] tazzix:
You are not supposed to have sideloaded apps. Or that is what Samsung implies, now you could use Helium or Titanium with cloud backup if you are rooted, otherwise loose the data each time you upgrade and install them again. Most apps meant for the gear are a combination of software on the phone and on the watch and probably store the data on the phone anyways.
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] willcor:
To backup my apps and restore I use.. Wondershare mobile go..

It is fast and easy. Before you update Gear manager, just do a manual backup with Wondershare.,( select Toolkit /one lock backup or restore.)

note 3/note8.0 for xda
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] Mr Ian B:
I hate it that it does it too. Funny thing, all my ringtones, notifications and videos r still there after it restores.

Ian B
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] adoublearonn:
If you put your app apk's in /system/app instead of /data/app they won't disappear on upgrades
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] tazzix:
Another solution would require a bit of coding, a phone application without a launcher activity and APK files in assets folder and a few tweaks in the AndroidManifest.xml (I got one from ATNs phone app) would do a proper install of the apps through gear manager and they will survive the upgrades.

EDIT: not coding but you will need the IDE and SDK and know how of the process.
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] rayhodge02:
How about keeping root?
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] Mr Ian B:
And now my MobileMe trial ends today. Damn it, may have to break down and pay for it. If anyone seems any discount codes, please post.

Ian B
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] fOmey:
Keep a directory of all your apps on your desktop, reinstalling with wondershare is a breeze !

I also back up all my configurations, being novalauncher, tasker & widgets. You simply restore them once you reinstall your apps. They generally are stored on the SDCARD.

It shouldn't be a big bother, if you stay organized.

I full wipe my gear atleast 6 times a day (development purposes) and reinstalling everything literally takes 2 minutes at the most.
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] Brendo:
Wondershare actually saves the apks it downloads into user's documents folder ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] billymaloney3:
did you guys really pay $40. idk I think that's way overpriced
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] v8dave:
I don't have any sideloaded apps but one app I use from the Play store keeps getting deleted if I open the gear manager. When I install FEEDLY news reader it works fine and I can use but as soon as I open Gear Manager the app disappears from the phone.

When I go to install it from Google Play, it downloads and then this window appears with a Gear Manager unknown sources. I click OK to accept and it works and stays on the phone as long as I don't open gear manager.

It's starting to get me cheesed off as I use this app every day for news reading and having to reload it every time is really not good.

Loading any other app from Google Play seems to be OK and never shows this window.

Anyone else seen this?
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] delcopa:
I've been copying the apks to the "sdcard" then I just push the root explorer app to the watch and copy the apks back to data/app or system as needed. A little extra work but pretty quick that way.

Other backup with that wonder app. Would be great to automate it without needing a pc.
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] Killerheels:
Found the system folder in apps with Airdroid, so I've copied the apk's to it.
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] nswenson:
Just use titanium backup. It will keep your applications and data backed up. It has a batch restore so the apps are right back in the same state as before they were deleted. It also has the nice feature of exporting apps from your phone directly to the Gear over bluetooth. No more worries about side loading with that functionality.
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] allendj81:
My problem is that apps disappear from my gear's app drawer every time I open gear manager. If I restart the gear, sideloaded apps appear in the app drawer again. Ive used adb fasboot to sideload the apps. What do i need to do so that apps stick and dont dissapear?:confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] leojab:
same issue here as well in gear manager v1.6

Not sure what can be done here
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] allendj81:
Im on the most recent GM provided by samsung apps, on a BNA3 firmware. Ive read and moved side loaded apps to system/app from data/app and it didn't do anything. are the only ones having this problem with the adb method?
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] AstroDigital:
I am sure Samsung is exercising control and trying to tell you what to run, and this I am not crazy about.

I have not sideloaded anything yet but it should be my right.

Wanted to get the hourly chime app working (pro) version with voice files hate it when the big corporation plays games.
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] agiorgitis:
Downgrade gear manager to 1.5, or use Nova launcher... (or any other launcher)
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] Srwilliams:
Can you walk me thru how to use the expiring feature of titanium as you describe above. I had wondershare but it expired and I want to not pay the price for it. CAN YOY TELL me how to use titanium and export apps from the phone over bluetooth. i desperately want to know how to do this. Say there is an app in the google play store. What steps do I do from there to get it on my phone w/o side loading it
[Samsung Galaxy Gear] nswenson:
Install the desired app on your phone. Back it up with titanium. Find the backed up app in titanium and select it. There's a special features tab-> "send latest backup". Select Bluetooth option. The file will arrive on Gear. If you have titanium on Gear, you can use es file explorer to find the backup file which is under "Bluetooth" folder. Click on backup file and app will be restored with all settings and data that you had in place on phone.