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[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Agreed! I also switched from AT&T to T-mobile after catching AT&T misrepresenting their LTE capability in my area (which caused missed calls and voice-mail notifications unless you forced WCDMA). IT was actually a Motorola support tech that helped find AT&T's patent on the failing technology and get me out of the contract.

Go Moto!
[Motorola Atrix HD] theenlightened1:
I didn't know that.. I don't live in the US so I forget AT&T also has a part in this.. :rolleyes: There should be a way Moto could push this update to users if AT&T fail to do so after x number of days.. now we have to wait for AT&T to get around to it.. their CS sucks big time.. I wanted to SIM unlock this phone when I got it to use it with a local carrier so I called them and told them I live outside US and bought the phone by paying its full price on eBay.. thier idiot CSR kept insisting I become an AT&T customer and then after 6 months they would unlock the phone for me :silly:
[Motorola Atrix HD] palmbeach05:
You know, i was just thinking about reaching out to that ATT Customer Care Rep that i was talking with about that update. I'll reach out on Monday and see whats up.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Outlaw92:
So you got any thing?
[Motorola Atrix HD] palmbeach05:
Awaiting response
[Motorola Atrix HD] Outlaw92:
Somebody just sue AT&T. Why the heck are they doing this to us?
[Motorola Atrix HD] Kilogrm:
Sue them for what? Motorola has not said anything about the Kitkat update through official channels for well over a year when they stated that the phone would be updated. Their website continues to state that the phone will be updated to Kitkat, but it does not say when. AT&T has not made any official announcements about the Atrix HD and Kitkat at all to my knowledge. There have been unofficial reports from an individual that posts on this forum and others indicating that the Kitkat update was completed by Motorola and given to AT&T a while ago. They have approved the update with the caveat that the phone does not get an official update to Lollipop from Motorola. They were waiting for Motorola to confirm this before the update would be released. Everything I have officially read about the subject indicates that Motorola has no plans to update the Atrix HD to Lollipop, so why AT&T wants an additional guarantee on the topic is beyond me. They can just release the Kitkat update they have now and let Motorola know that they will not approve any other future updates. Our only options at this point are to wait for the official release when it comes, get another phone, or go with a third party option like Cyanogenmod. I personally have no issues with the phone right now, although I would like the official release of kitkat, I will most likely keep the phone for the immediate future and run jellybean until the official Kitkat update gets released if it ever does.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Outlaw92:
Well tbh, I doubt that Motorola has built KK for our phone. I maybe wrong, but that's how it looks like. Actually, if you blame on Moto for anything over here people just turn onto you that Moto has made the update and/or transferred it to AT&T blah blah.

And that Lollipop thing doesn't make sense at all. You're right, 'even' if Moto has a LP upgrade available for us in the future why does AT&T wants to skip KK all together and go directly to LP for our phone? And why would or why should we get LP? Do you realize the phone is well over 2 years old now. Its actually funny to believe that we'll get LP for our phone. Motorola is focusing on their new droid lineup, Moto X's and Moto G's now. Atrix lineup is currently forgotten by them.

Lastly, I don't care if its AT&T not pushing the update or Motorola itself has been lying to us from day one, but I'd love to and still want that KK update badly
[Motorola Atrix HD] palmbeach05:
It has already been reported that the update has been built for our phone. Yes, Moto released the update to ATT. Yes, I can provide the emails that state this. As far as the LP update question, do you think testing and pushing out updates is free? Does it not cost money to pay the internal testers and to run the servers/network to push the update out as an OTA? I do agree with you though, ATT's plan to wait and see if Moto will release LP is a bit screwy, but eh, I don't control ATT's business plans, I just try to help out the community by reporting what info I can get ahold of.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Kilogrm:
Well after almost a year and a half after Google announced KitKat, the folks at US Cellular finally started rolling out Android 4.4 to their RAZR M variant called Electrify M over the past few days. That leaves the Atrix HD as the only one left without an update. Maybe this action will cause AT&T to finally release the Kitkat update to us. Only time will tell.
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Interesting. This has me wondering if they stumbled upon a problem with updating the AHD. I cannot think of any other logical reason for the delay and have trouble believing that they would jump the AHD to Lollipop while newer phones were updated to KitKat... unless they plan another quick and broad move to Lollipop for this whole family of phones but that seems unlikely. Although I don't doubt the reports about the update's status, they all come though the same narrow pipe involving a few people (individual customer seeking answers and a support rep wanting to help) and might not represent the larger reality of Motorola's and AT&T's plans. As you say, time will tell but the window of time in which belief can be held is closing.
[Motorola Atrix HD] TecknoFreak:
No this mean ATT are just a bunch of greedy freaks. Screw att, my next phone will be a T-Mobile phone period eventhough I'm with them since I bought my first atrix hd.
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
LOL I know how much you love AT&T ;). I left them for T-mobile as well :)
[Motorola Atrix HD] KrisM22:
So much energy being put into this...

I stayed with ATT but I rather wish I had saved myself $200 and put my AHD on stock JB and stayed with that. It would have served my needs completely...
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
In my case I switched to T-mo due to a provable AT&T LTE fail on a grand scale and got a higher level of service for lower cost from T-Mo. True about stock being sufficient (I flash for the tech geekery) but I'm confused... save $200 how?
[Motorola Atrix HD] kabaldan:
Atrix HD is surely not the only device from moto msm8960 2012 family which still hasn't received KitKat update (apart from Photon Q, for which the update was altogether cancelled).

The australian Razr HD and Razr M KitKat updates are still undelivered, Telstra xt925 4.4.2 is currently scheduled for 06-Mar-15 release date:

http://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/Device-Updates/Handset-Software-Updates-13-02-2015/td-p/422433
[Motorola Atrix HD] KrisM22:
I bought a used LG Optimus G Pro that had KK and was upgradeable to custom LP roms. But the 3 that I have tested (CM12, BlisPopp, and I forget) are so far from usable (I can not depend on voicemail, call, or BT) that I run stock and am happy with that. Thus I wish I had just stayed on my AHD!
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Ahhh sorry to hear than and thankful for the feedback.
[Motorola Atrix HD] mauchito:
Any news about this? :(
[Motorola Atrix HD] palmbeach05:
No new news to report.
[Motorola Atrix HD] [] AL []:
Nope, all I got was this very enticing offer [sic]:

Really makes me wonder if that was an April's Fool joke...

Lol!

If they only knew how I hate the sheer egocentric principle behind those things... I don't know what is doing more damage to my esteem for that company: that idiotic self-stick (it up ur.. ) or all the things promised by Motorola (firmware-wise) that never materialized (don't like that word either, but seems to fit the best here).

And oh!, no need to blast me the "it's not Moto's fault"... Not my first Moto phone here and I heard their song before. Why don't they just not promise anything if it's for accusing carriers later on for not delivering anyway...

Cheers
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Fair enough, but even if Moto is messing up, when they stand next to AT&T and Google they look good... and don't worry... the firmware update will be available in Q3 last year;)
[Motorola Atrix HD] Outlaw92:
The world has moved to Lollipop. No one cares about KitKat anymore. Its old and outdated now and yet we are still waiting for KK update. LOL
[Motorola Atrix HD] palmbeach05:
That may be, but the KK update gets us away from the JBBL. KK is at the moment more stable than LP. Most devices are shipping with KK, and slowly starting to ship with LP. LP also doesn't have the same stats KK has as far as overall percentage across all devices running Android, so the statement that everyone moved on isn't true.
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Quite true. I test L about once every week or 2 and it is terrible. Living on KitKat and even going back to JB when I have to do certain things (HDMI out).
[Motorola Atrix HD] Outlaw92:
Perhaps I was a little harsh there with my words but you can expect it from me since I've been waiting for this KKBL for so long. Currently i'm rocking the latest and the last CM11 on my Atrix HD I have tried different LP roms as well like Blisspop, Validus, CM12 and Mijuu ones but I use some apps which are still not compatible with LP and a friend of mine who has a nexus 5 updated to LP still tells me about some problems he faces with LP. So I also think that it is still in development phase.

Atrix HD has served me well for over an year, its been great for me despite people complaining about its battery life. But I think its time maybe to switch to another phone. I'm a student and I can't just shell out 400-600 USD easily for a new phone. Atrix HD provided me a great experience at a very cheap price( I got it for around 100USD). I'm thinking of keeping this phone for my secondary usage and switching to something cool within 200-250 USD. Moto G comes first to my mind when I look at my preferences but somehow I don't like that phone. I'm getting a somewhat rarely used Moto X 2013 in 10/10 condition at around 150USD. Do you think its worth the upgrade?
[Motorola Atrix HD] Kilogrm:
You've just said that the Atrix HD has served you well, so why shell out money for another phone? I too have the latest version of CM 11 on my phone and I must say that it runs real stable. I have had no issues at all since I put it on the phone about three months ago. As for the official update from Motorola, according to many people on this site, it has been in the hands of AT&T for quite some time now and for whatever reason they have not released it. I think the vast majority of us have come to the conclusion that they never will. Since my phone runs fine with CM 11 (Kitkat) on it, I do not care what they do at this point. CM 12 (Lollipop) is in the nightly phase right now and when they release the first snapshot I will try that out. If my phone ever broke down and I needed a new one I would probably go with the Moto G LTE (2nd Gen.).
[Motorola Atrix HD] mauchito:
Any news? They aren't going to release the upgrade, are they? :(
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Motorola's website still says it will be upgraded to KitKat but it is just so hard to believe anymore.
[Motorola Atrix HD] [] AL []:
and since that page went up, Motorola has been bought buy Google and then re-sold to Lenovo...

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[Motorola Atrix HD] mauchito:
We need to make some noise. I will probable make a reddit post on Monday, I hope it gets to the frontpage, this is bull****.
[Motorola Atrix HD] TecknoFreak:
Yeah blame att for it not moto

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I will back you up
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
If you are an AT&T customer try to escalate your inquiry to the "office of the president" (of AT&T). I would do that but have switched to T-mo.
[Motorola Atrix HD] mauchito:
Well, there goes nothing:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/340mq5/motorola_still_hasnt_released_the_kitkat_update/

Waiting for Mod approval. If you could show your support in the thread, that would be great.
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Vote placed. Thanks.
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Strung along for over a year for nothing. The fact that this is no surprise makes it no less frustrating. From an email update received today (originally posted at https://forums.motorola.com/posts/e401035d88?page=5).

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"For our ATRIX HD users on AT&T:

We apologize that we and AT&T will not be upgrading Atrix HD to Android KitKat, as we had hoped. We know how important software upgrades are to our customers, and we're very sorry that our two organizations were unable to follow through in this case.

We would like to offer something to people who purchased this device when we believed we would be able to offer the upgrades.

Please click here for more details.

We know that some of our Atrix HD users will still be disappointed, but we hope that this helps to make amends."

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Their compensatory offer is an insult. Also, Moto is clearly taking some of the blame and why would they of it was not so. In retrospect I think Moto loyalty made some of us (myself included) blind to Moto's complicity in this poor planning and disappointing move. Speaking of my Motorola loyalty - RIP. It ran strong from 1987-2015 but is no more.
[Motorola Atrix HD] TecknoFreak:
Amen
[Motorola Atrix HD] [] AL []:
Yep, I've owned 6 Motorola phones over the last few years and I seriously doubt that my next phone will be a Moto. My choice won't change their business much, but my conscience will be at ease.

I've written that before, but why don't we at least push them/ask that guy who replied to give us the latest kernels that they've got? No OTA; they can just upload the .img file somewhere.

And I'd even say that we should put pressure on then and give them an ultimatum: if they can't even have the decency to do this for us (within a month, let's say) and they miss it, we'll then have a nice long detailed list of xda members pledging to never to buy fom Motorola again.

What do you think?
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Love it.

...although I think both Moto and AT&T PR departments might prefer the loss to the distribution of un-certified or unready software. Still... I'd be glad to propose that deal at the Moto forum or directly to the guy who has been fielding questions form it.

[EDIT] drafting a message to request kernel.

[EDIT2] Just sent this note by PM

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"Greetings Matt,

Pushing the politics of this significant fail and the previous ones like it aside (which means you wont rationalize it and I wont beat you up for being the messenger ;))...

One way to mitigate this for AHD users who are now stuck with a good device but on an insecure OS would be to provide us with the latest kernels by direct download.

Can that be done?

If not... what reason would there be for us to use Motorola products?

Sincerely,

ITM"

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[Motorola Atrix HD] TecknoFreak:
I'm all in for that guys. I'm so upset right now that I'm about to make a video and a website and rank it all the way to first page by at least 3 keywords to rant this s*** all over the net.... I was just waiting for this statement from them for the longest to make my next move.
[Motorola Atrix HD] [] AL []:
I've always thought this would happen. But it's intrinsic in us to aways cling to every little bit of hope we get... But I'm pissed off too.

Maybe moto guys would now be more receptive to that kernel (KK + LP) sharing request - now that AA&T basically ditched the work that they have done on this...
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
I'm not convinced that AT&T is the sole cause of this mess up but echoing your thoughts, that AT&T wasted Moto's effort, that may indeed be our strongest appeal. Will update about any return contact from Moto.
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Forwarded message requesting kernel to David Schuster here https://plus.google.com/+DavidSchuster/posts

[MENTION=3692819]TecknoFreak[/MENTION] - I saw one of your posts there and replied to it and a few others to make presence felt.

BTW at Google+ I'm BirdFrogTurtle
[Motorola Atrix HD] TecknoFreak:
Good deal mate
[Motorola Atrix HD] neondunker:
Did you expected something different? They did the same with the Atrix 4G.
[Motorola Atrix HD] palmbeach05:
Lol and then we gave them the old f off by boosting it up to a stable 4.4 and a sorta still in development 5.1.
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Not a matter of expectation. The update should have happened but did not, and some of us are trying to do something about it.

Would you like to help...or just make sarcastic (albeit truthful) comments;).
[Motorola Atrix HD] [] AL []:
Other msm-8960 family members got their update... so why couldn't we expect what was said would come?

Post self-edited to lower down the tone

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[Motorola Atrix HD] neondunker:
No, just have some hate towards moto/att inside. I loved both the atrix 4g and hd (even had a photon 4g) but this confirms that you cant trust them. I already moved to an lg g2, but my niece has this phone, so I was looking at this forum expecting the impossible.
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
For what it is worth I never believed this update would happen but now that it's cancellation is official we are trying to get the kernel from moto. If there is enough interest we may create a petition.
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
Wrapping this up and putting a bow on it. When the Atrix HD update was cancelled I send private messages to both Matt (who was maintaining the Moto thread) and David Schuster (who's Google+ page occasionally had update information) requesting the kernel or the ROM as it stood in their development. There was no response to those messages so I posted the same suggestions in the public areas of Matt's Moto thread and Schuster's G+ page. There has still been no response and there seems to be no use, beyond sating indignant ire, in pursuing it further. Fortunately that last CM11 MSM8960 snapshot is looking good.
[Motorola Atrix HD] johde:
Just happened back into this thread to hear the latest and saw the bad news. The question is whether this is AT&T's fault or Motorola's fault. I've liked Motorola for the superior radio quality. But, this is the 2nd time it's happened to me. Yes I also have an Atrix 4G.

Motorola is offering a good deal on the Moto X. If you purchased the "pure edition" AT&T would be out of the picture.
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
So.... now on a Moto E as a fall-back device, Motorola has similarly betrayed an update promise, in this case for a device with no service provider branding (only Moto) and after posting that 5.1.x was already released for the device. They've also labeled an Android 5.0.x update as 5.1.x. Egads! You folks are lucky to have KitKat, but I'm languishing in Lollipop and had enough so I finally created an on-line petition. It pertains primarily to the Moto E but has enough general language that it can be signed by anyone who objects to Moto's update methods and failures. Feel free to sign it. https://www.change.org/p/motorola-f...source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink.
[Motorola Atrix HD] [] AL []:
Petition signed. Supporter no 176.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Gus0:
I think this should be on more phone forums, specially the most active ones, maybe motox or something like that to reach more people, and be more general on the description, maybe include ahd too, I don't know if it's possible to change at this point but I think it's not just our phones, anyway pledge signed
[Motorola Atrix HD] IronTechmonkey:
I sort of agree, and considered that when creating this petition but had to pick a line somewhere although that line does not have to be immutable. I'll expand on it more later in the petition's XDA thread.
[Motorola Atrix HD] spinninbsod:
why are some people even willing to flash the kitkat ota theres a 99.999999999999999999999999999 percent chance that motorola will lock the bootloader again i like having cwm and an unlocked bl why some people would want to throw all that away is beyond me
[Motorola Atrix HD] penser:
Just a quick question, if 4.4 was released for us and you fastboot ICS, then check for OTA could you update to JB or would it go straight for KK?
[Motorola Atrix HD] Durteedee:
They really like motoblur

sent from the kitty kat Atrix HD Maxx
[Motorola Atrix HD] ai6908:
My wild guess will be kk...
[Motorola Atrix HD] Dr. Orange:
Motoblur is okay. It sure has improved since Froyo, but I'll take a full blown PAC rom over Motoblur any day of the week. I'm really excited to see what devs have in store for KK.
[Motorola Atrix HD] bconcio:
I'm hoping for something like a Moto X or G 4.4 image. I'm assuming At&t (for those on At&t) will need to throw their bloat in there but it seems like Moto's new 4.4 images are mostly stock except a few apps. Moto has been pretty good with that stuff lately. Are the Moto X and G 4.4 images considered Motoblur?
[Motorola Atrix HD] Dr. Orange:
If it's released by Motorola, it will have Motoblur in it.

Edit: That used to be the case before Google bought them. I really don't know if it will have motoblur or not. It's typically used as a selling point for people who have never owned an android phone.
[Motorola Atrix HD] MedleHed:
Some people don't care about having root or an unlocked bootloader. I'm one of those people. My Atrix HD is a work phone so I'll install the OTA and smile the whole way. I guess I got the crackflashing out of my system when I had the Droid Incredible.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Android Pizza:
This is great news, but...

Is it "possible" for Moto to relock the bootloader?

Sent from my Atrix HD :)

Check out this thread!
[Motorola Atrix HD] penser:
Not without an optional update. It's very likely the 4.4 update will lock the bootloader.

Also, just curious, how is everything in an SBF pulled from a device with a locked bootloader and no root?
[Motorola Atrix HD] Markyzz:
Relock it? No, not exactly. But they could update it to check for a different QFUSE that's not blown. Nobody knows how many qfuse there are to be blown, and I'm pretty sure our exploit only works on one. It's highly unlikely this will ever happen, but just to be safe, never take an OTA.

On a side note, I have four of these phones, five if you count my girlfriend's haha, I have one with the bootloader still locked, and one that is on ICS. I plan on taking the OTA on that one when it hits.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Durteedee:
Anyone thinks we might get a leaked beta soon

sent from the kitty kat Atrix HD Maxx
[Motorola Atrix HD] matt99017d:
I thought that we blew a fuse to where it CANT be re locked??? Am I mistaken?

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Edit.

Sorry I didn't read all the way through. Didn't see that someone already answered it on the top of this page....dur.
[Motorola Atrix HD] sickkside13:
Ill rather wait till our devs get us a deodexed or odexed 4.4 stock rom for us
[Motorola Atrix HD] Android Pizza:
I think I'll wait until someone finds out if it relocks the bootloader.

Sent from my MB886 using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
[Motorola Atrix HD] souljaboy:
Working HDMI out for one.

You can tell the CM folks things like that exist and tell them not to ignore it, and then I'll stop ignoring CM in return.
[Motorola Atrix HD] spinninbsod:
if you look at my post closely you would know that I said cwmn(clockworkmod recovery and the reason cm can't get that working is because Motorola won't release the drivers Motorola has never releases drivers for that I'm running slimbean on my atrix 2 it doesn't have HDMI or webtop but custom ROMs have so much more and don't just assume I'm running cm I could be running holoblur or on PAC rom

:)
[Motorola Atrix HD] souljaboy:
I'm just saying things like that are the reason not all people run it. They are have great common features for all CM phones, but typically the unique quirks of phones aren't supported as well as OEM roms. I can't even imagine what a custom rom could give me that would make my lapdock worth for me to sit on the shelve for months, but then again I'm a minority with that.