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[G2 General] Billy Madison:
Pathetic indeed

It is well known that half-a-year is the time period between flagships

G3 rant is there http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2614507

No, G3 will have 4k recording support, fingerprint scanner, 16Mpix shooter, probably oled screen with Oxide TFT aka IGZO. But the thread about it is there http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2614507 not here
[G2 General] realeze:
What do BLE and TRIM on 4.4 enable that is currently not available on 4.2.2?
[G2 General] Mastrox:
TRIM support could optimaze the memory in long time period, and BLE is used for connect something like smartwatch and similari...
[G2 General] hamad138:
Trim keeps the device fast
[G2 General] votinh:
Coming off the SGS2, I don't think Sammy boys whine as much as LG boys here.

I got into this G2 forum about 2 months, and yes, everyday, I mean everyday, I've seen posts that complain about LG lack off updating, even though I did mention that they just pushed out at least one from last month. They just want KK w/o caring what KK has offered or any advantages, I'm sure some jump up with the superior ART vs Dalvik too.

Anyway, just for fun since I'm in this fanboy group, I want the next OS. Sammy and HTC are already working on Android 5.0, why LG isn't, they suck. This is my last LG device.

LOL :D
[G2 General] goodmamba:
BLE needs a BLE device and this standard is pretty new and not so many devices has it. I keep my Bluetooth on and use it non-stop all day long for listening music and at night I still have 30% battery.

TRIM is indeed a gain but only if you change a lot your SDcard content and you can really feel the gain after many months of intensive read-writes.

So, average user will notice almost no gains in updating to KitKat except an upgraded placebo self-esteem.
[G2 General] matheus_sc:
i think dont work well in note 3, only device i see with 2 gb of ram used!
[G2 General] robogo1982:
RAM is not the point with TRIM. Internal memory is.
[G2 General] baileyjr:
I've just ordered this device and I prefer the cleaner aosp experience so I'll have to flash a custom Rom. I hear the 4.4 Roms can be buggy. Can someone tell me if the 4.3 Roms are without issue? I see there is a stable release of CM 10.2.. I can get most of the 4.4 features using xposed framework, its just the bloat free AOSP im after.
[G2 General] dondavis007:
That's what I said. ..

Sent from a mobile Gadget...
[G2 General] daveo24:
I'm running cm 10.2 and its very stable and smooth. But I am ready for 4.4
[G2 General] dmeth:
Been running unofficial modded cm11 from gr33ndevil. Smooth, great battery life, very few crashes. Highly recommend it.

LG G2 VS980 running gr33ndevil's modded cm11
[G2 General] citytrader:
CM is crap in any device, see the clear example of OPPO N1, they have two versions, stock and CM and see the battery life comparison for talk time, stock 25 hours and CM is 16.40,

this demonstrates how crap is CM, it should be expected to be optimized and is not worse, much worse than stock adding instability and issues because it's not smooth in G2 and in Galaxy S2
[G2 General] DertyDOH:
with LG's ui so intensive I'm not that worried about 4.4 because we won't really see many of the changes. And I am patient because I actually sold my Moto X for the G2 after the Moto X rushed out 4.4, and made the phone slower. It was flawless on 4.2.2, then on a rushed 4.4 job the texting and keyboard lagged super bad
[G2 General] tilburger013:
-1
[G2 General] Dri94:
CM is great. I've v used it on all phones and the only one that ever have me trouble is this vs980. It brings more features. Imcredibly smooth, and I've never experienced this huge battery drain you speak of.
[G2 General] citytrader:
In my experience is the opposite, on Galaxy S2 was crap, on G2 is crap and even in the OPPO N1 it drinks the battery (and CM is official with this brand), for me has nothing about great.

CM is only a hype, nothing more than that.
[G2 General] android404:
Now, at last, nobody can take you serious anymore.
[G2 General] dmeth:
What? I beg to differ. The rom I'm using had freaky increased battery life. I can get 5 hours of screen time and 20+ hours total. Every app works that I have tried. Much faster and smoother than stock

LG G2 VS980 running gr33ndevil's modded cm11
[G2 General] jiteshj:
Then clearly CM is crap as i get 7 hr 30 min + on any charge on stock with 30+ hr usage...
[G2 General] thebehemoth73:
My experience is CM changes alot by each nightly release...especially when it comes to battery
[G2 General] Toledo_JAB:
I would like to ask everyone to either report or ignore offensive or off-topic posts.

Replying to such posts in the thread only gives unwanted attention and breeds off-topic replies.

I have cleaned the thread

I would also like to remind everyone that this discussion thread is not related to any development here on XDA, and is being allowed as long as it does not become abusive or offensive.

I apologize if your post was deleted in my cleaning.

If anyone has any further comments or questions please PM me.

Thanks for the help,

Toledo_JAB
[G2 General] gummybear00:
I think with the Google Now integration in 4.4.2, the Google Play Services apps use more battery. On Paranoid Android it was #2 battery usage. On 4.2.2 though I'm getting more battery usage from Android system which lists like 20+ system processes including LG's stuff. It's probably due to Knock on.

Anyway, it's true what the guy said about CM. It's been proven that CM uses way more battery than stock roms. http://blog.gsmarena.com/cyanogenmod-oppo-n1-battery-life-test/

It seems pretty obvious because the guys who made the phone would write their software more efficiently than roms made by third-party users. Keep this in mind when flashing non-stock based G2 roms. If only we had more developer support for stock roms...

Korea also passed a law requiring cell phone makers to allow users to remove bloatware. Hopefully we can get something out of this here in the US.
[G2 General] enik_fox:
I just hope with kit kat they do what Motorola did and move all the apps to the play store
[G2 General] bender_007:
10% ontopic vs 90% offtopic + nonLGofficialTalk
[G2 General] jhorn85:
3294599

I hope 4.4 comes sooner than later
[G2 General] taheromar:
It will come evetually

Just. Be. Patient.
[G2 General] hamad138:
Just a quick note , lg gets the kitkat version 6 month before the actual release. So around march they are developing the rom
[G2 General] mhoss48:
Nope they dont, cuz google is the one responsible for the update of the.Nexus 4/5

Sent from my LG G2
[G2 General] rarira:
Unfortunately, Xposed framework has not been working with the kitkat of Korean G2 since release and it has not solved yet. I don't know why because all other kitkats (incl. Samsung Note3) have no such a problem at all.
[G2 General] EsmeWeatherwax:
http://www.mrmad.de/lg-g2-android-4-4-kitkat-update-testphase-begonnen-2401

Summary of the article: the worldwide KitKat Update will be different from the one distributed in South Korea. Improvements will be made as to camera, UI and performance. To make sure the stability of the KitKat update, a test phase has started now and the update for Germany is planned for the end of March.
[G2 General] hamad138:
Update : the kit kat update of the g2 will be different than the Korea

G2 will receive

UI changes

Performance Enahncements

More Stability

Camera Update with new

Feutures
[G2 General] vPro97:
I hope for dual window!
[G2 General] mhoss48:
http://www.androidorigin.com/lg-g2-...n=15538&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

Sent from my LG G2
[G2 General] votinh:
Let's see how much their camera app improves in KK
[G2 General] taheromar:
Please stop referring to the lg mobile Saudi Arabia tweet. They apologized and admitted it was a mistake.
[G2 General] mhoss48:
I isnt, some people did get the update

Sent from my LG G2
[G2 General] bobsie41:
Source?
[G2 General] AL_IRAQI:
I'll ask some users from Saudi Arabia
[G2 General] mhoss48:
Stating what the link said only. :p;)

Sent from my LG G2
[G2 General] p2cactus:
I went to sprint store today. Neither S4 or One had kk. I was shocked. I thought for sure they both must have had it months ago after reading this thread.

Sent from my Sprint LG G2.
[G2 General] smederevoboy:
Camera improve

Did Kit Kat brings improvements to the camera and shooting low light situations?

Thanks
[G2 General] player911:
Look in the forums. Lots of people have gotten the KK OTA update from LG. It is only the Korean version. The International version is due by end of January and others carrier branded editions by March (since they require additional steps).

There are even Official Kitkat ported roms. Even the link to the official KitKat rom is here.

LG already released KitKat for G2.
[G2 General] bobsie41:
:rolleyes:
[G2 General] taheromar:
omg...

:eek:
[G2 General] linasg:
I'm tired to wait. just installed CM11 nightly...
[G2 General] Fabof94:
i'm tired too, but i want try official rom before.

How is Cm11?
[G2 General] yerol:
cm11 is good, but no quick window. I like LG quick window feature
[G2 General] whoamanwtf:
CM11 is good, but certain games and apps don't work on it and you get better performance from stock... so it's sorta like buying a kit car, looks good but it doesn't run like the real thing.
[G2 General] baileyjr:
Anyone know how much bloat can you remove from the data partition for the standard LG ROM?

I know the system partition is a fixed size of 3.2gb so there will be little benefit touching that, although you could freeze apps you don't use.
[G2 General] Fir3blade:
With freezing apps you won't gain free space, you have to delete them.

Via LG G2
[G2 General] baileyjr:
I know that but, you won't gain any space deleting them if they are on the system partition, so may as well just leave them alone or freeze them so they don't show.
[G2 General] whoamanwtf:
Your best bet is to just delete safe stuff, make a backup, delete more and repeat til you're happy. That's what I did and I get phenomenal battery life and performance without any of the bloat. The backup and restore process on these phones at least for TWRP is really fast, 90 seconds for backup less for restore
[G2 General] baileyjr:
Yeah, I know what you mean, always nandroid first.

How much space do you think you gained back out of interest?
[G2 General] SquireSCA:
For the record, on all of the Android phones I have had over the years, I have seen negligible differences, at best, from debloating.

The space you gain back, rarely if ever gets used. If you are so cramped for space that removing a few VZW apps makes the difference, then you should have gotten the higher capacity phone, or installed an SD card for additional storage. Most people do it, just to do it. The gains are on paper, rather than any real world benefit.

There are a few apps that are good to disable, that really are not needed. But I have not seen any battery life or speed increases as a result. It's placebo.

What it does accomplish, is it I know that the app is ghey and I will never use it, then I don't want to see or or scroll past it to get to what I do need. So I do it for cosmetic reasons typically...

It is better to just disable them, so that when an OTA does come out, you don't have to jump through hoops or see 100+ threads on people asking why their OTA is bombing during install.

For the most part, debloating doesn't really help the phone in any measurable way, other than personal preference or the peace of mind that you "showed the man" and got rid of the crap... LOL
[G2 General] Koopa777:
No.....people complaining in here are ridiculous, the ONLY carrier phones in the US that have KK are the Moto X and Moto G(and their derivatives, like Verizon's 2013 Droid line). Other than that, only developer-edition phones, GPE devices, and the Nexus line(obviously) have KK. It will be the same thing, HTC/Samsung/LG will all release updates for international versions, people will get mad and scream "Where's my KK update," then in late Q1/Q2 all OEMs will release KK updates for the carrier branded phones. I'd be willing to bet the actual update was done in mid-November, we just have to wait for the carriers to add their bloatware and undergo their ridiculous testing procedures. Check out HTC's infogram on updates they posted a month or so back. There's some good insight on what they have to go through to get a carrier phone update approved. Don't blame LG, blame the draconian regulations that US carriers have.
[G2 General] baileyjr:
I bought the 32gig but this will be my first device without an exteral sd which concerns me a little lol

I'll probably be fine as I can stream all my music, I'll just have to store less "cr@p" on the device. I suspect I've accumulated a fair amount of "cr@p" :o
[G2 General] SquireSCA:
It's just one of those things that if you really need the space, you can free some up. But a lot of people seem to obsess about how much free RAM or storage they have. Having more free RAM, has not been proven to increase the performance of the phone. Now, running out of RAM and having to use a swap file, if Android even has such a mechanism, is one thing. But I am betting that whether you have 500mb free or 1gb free, you won't see a performance increase.

In fact, several articles have shown that kicking everything out of RAM to free it up, can hurt performance because when an app or service needs something, it has to go load it first... would be faster if it was already in RAM waiting to be accessed...

Same thing with storage... freeing it up, doesn't increase performance, and it only helps you if you actually NEED the space... else it is just space, sitting there doing nothing...
[G2 General] beezar:
Anyone with an article in English confirming the above? I sure hope the camera improvement is real.
[G2 General] LenAsh:
Stop trying to get your post count up - it stinks. Contribute instead.
[G2 General] 1Jonathan1:
Well, there is a very high possibility since the kitkat update for korean updates was already released a while ago and porting it to almost the same device (except removable battery and sd card) should take like a few weeks including the testing, just a few changes in kernel and you are done. I expect things like 4k recording and so on. If they do not improve their version why should it take like 3 to 4 months to port it to an almost identical phone? especially since it is the top-end phone of LG. So I expect a lot of differences in the worldwide version, if not than this is definitely my last LG phone.
[G2 General] SquireSCA:
I predict that this thread will hit 250 pages, before US Verizon owners see the Kit Kat OTA. I expect it to become available about 3 weeks before Google announces the next milestone release.

THIS is the problem with Android. By the time most people get the latest and greatest, it is already obsolete.

With Apple, at least when they release it, anyone with a recent device gets it... none of this 1% of the people get it and the rest get it the next year crap...
[G2 General] android404:
I still have to meet an iphone <5 owner whose happy about having got iOS 7.
[G2 General] matheus_sc:
i think if you like very soon updates you have tree ways, buy a nexus, install a custom rom, or go to ios, android for lg/samsung and others have more function, is another software, need time do be release, but all apps will work fine, apps is most important than version of android.
[G2 General] abdel12345:
I really hope Verizon doesn't take too long. That's the version I'm getting. They were the first to update the motto x to KitKat so maybe they'll surprise us again. I really hope so because I'm probably getting a Verizon version soon just because it's cheaper and pre unlocked to use on lycamobile

Sent from my white LG Nexus 5
[G2 General] Steamer86:
Verizon is the slowest of carriers. Dash those hopes now. Nothing major ids really coming, and expect to see more bugs. Too much hype. I personally still think the VZW version is the best variant. Much bands. So unlock. LTE-A(pft). Wow.
[G2 General] houstonn:
I wouldn't say Verizon is the slowest. You'd be surprised
[G2 General] TheTanker23:
They have been in the past but recently they've been very good with the Moto phones and the HTC one. I was very surprised to see the Moto x getting 4.4 about the same time as the nexus devices. Especially on VZW.
[G2 General] houstonn:
I've been testing already some KitKat proprietary drivers from vzw KitKat g2 . its a more earlier KitKat than the Korean official release ;/ I'm sure each carrier has their own deadline and lg has probably sent all carriers everything if anything for being late, blame the carriers
[G2 General] Joeful:
Well, Motorola is owned by Google. So, that's probably why they received second priority to the Nexus devices.
[G2 General] xRedDroidx:
Hi guys, i have just bought this beautiful phone and i have one question about the updates.

I have already rooted the phone and now when i search for updates it finds the update v10e.The question is, if i go in superSU and disable temporarily the root and then update the phone and then activate the root again, is this ok or it will cause problems?

Is this procedure safe for all future updates?

And if i unistall all the Pre-installed apps like Chrome, play book, google +...?It's safe, and it allow me to update in the future?

Many thanks.
[G2 General] vPro97:
It is not advised to take OTA while being rooted. Do you have custom recovery?
[G2 General] Billy Madison:
There will be no more Nexis http://www.androidpit.com/no-more-nexus-what-would-it-mean-if-google-ditches-the-nexus-line

And probably Samsung wants to bankrupt competitors like Sony, HTC, LG and remain the only major Android vendor
[G2 General] xRedDroidx:
No i have only root.

What can i do to update?
[G2 General] Billy Madison:
Read this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2451696 thread and ask there your question, it is offtopic here
[G2 General] matheus_sc:
I dont think That, Google Will focus ir Google play edition phones.
[G2 General] Billy Madison:
Yes, Google will focus BUT the main major hardware vendor will be Samsung, not Motorola as all expected when Moto was aquired.

It's accustomed in the world that "Android is Samsung, we say Android we mean Samsung" That is why Samsung Galaxy S sells in volumes and HTC or LG lag pretty far behind no matter what marketing they do
[G2 General] smederevoboy:
update?

Some accurate information when it comes out kit kat for Europe?
[G2 General] abdel12345:
If you uninstall system apps you need to reinstall them to take an update. Any system modifications will cause the ota to boot loop I think so make sure your fully stock.

Sent from my white LG Nexus 5
[G2 General] bobsie41:
Today :laugh:

...That is if you have the Htc one international version. (Just sold mine :mad:)
[G2 General] robogo1982:
Then why is Samsung developing its own OS (Tizen)?
[G2 General] Billy Madison:
It doesn't, Tizen from yesterday is history. Read the link that I brought. Samsung will became major hardware vendor for android and then the profits for Sony/HTC and such will be even less than now. So they will follow the steps of Motorola, Nokia and shut their smartphone business. In a 2-3 years. I don't want this trend, G2 is far better than competitors but if lg will continue to loose revenue it will be forced to close, as it was with LG tablets. The G Pad is reincarnation of what was closed once
[G2 General] smederevoboy:
update

HTC One got an upgrade today, and LG is always late as usual for others :(
[G2 General] derekedw:
This is why HTC, LG, etc need to learn this little plug about business called Marketing. Their marketing sucks. HTC's was good for a little, but they even quit. Samsung makes a good phone, but I prefer the ONE and G2 to the S4, but Samsung marketed better than HTC and LG and therefore developed a winning strategy.

First was their branding (Galaxy S)

Advertising on major stages - All major sporting events/TV/Visual Ads in big markets

Single form Factor for all carriers which gave a plethora of accessories

Copied iPhone in some areas to make it familiar

They basically ripped the recipe straight out of Apples cookbook for success. HTC was so close but they are failing in Marketing and Branding. ONE is not a good brand name because you can't have a '2' or '3'. Even if they do the 'One +', what do they do next? There's no future in the branding of 'ONE'.

LG has something with the G series, but they lack the marketing and single form factor. Giving in to Verizon and making a slightly different form was dumb and it hurt them in many ways.

All that being said, this is the reason why the others have not succeeded. They have great products, but no marketing. How many LG/HTC/Sony/ETC smart phone commercials have you seen compared to Galaxy S4 ads? Samsung out spends all of these guys combined in marketing.

Hell, Nokia probably spent more money in marketing than these guys did combined.

---------- Post added at 09:23 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:20 AM ----------

WRONG. Motorola didn't get any special priority. They just use a more vanilla version of android so their update process is much easier. They also were just quicker than the rest.

And we can't just blame the carriers here. LG obviously was not quick about getting this done. I'm sure they are putting the majority of their resources into the G2 Pro and the G3.
[G2 General] RayTrue04:
Samsung is definitely looking into stepping away from android and profiting from its own OS. Meet the Zeke..

http://www.crazyengineers.com/threads/samsung-zeq-9000-the-first-tizen-phone.72975/

http://www.crazyengineers.com/threads/tizen-screenshots-look-whats-coming-to-samsungs-next.72290/
[G2 General] 1Jonathan1:
Well, I think we got our reason for the late kitkat release since the lg g2 pro will be released in february and will mostlikely offer kitkat and will probably offer new features and maybe a changed UI? http://social.lge.co.kr/newsroom/mc/gpro2_140127/ at least it is not the lg G3 and it seems like just a bigger version of the G2

EDIT: google translation from lg blog:

G be a series fame 'LG G Pro 2' release next month

LG Electronics 'LG G Pro' successor product name 'LG G Pro 2' (the 'G Pro 2') was confirmed as.

LG Electronics will unveil next month 'G Pro 2' is a family of top smartphones 'G Series' followed by the reputation of the shop. 'G', 'G Pro', 'G2' G Series 3 models, each including domestic sales exceeded 1 million.

'G Pro 2's predecessor,' G Pro, four months after the domestic market, domestic sales exceeded 1 million. Consumers' G Pro, adopted a vivid picture of the full-HD display, LG own creative UX (user experience), and was highly valued.
[G2 General] JISIK:
Does Anyone who install xposed in official kitket rom??

Xposes is not qorking in my g2(official4.4)
[G2 General] abdel12345:
How's official KitKat? Anything new worth mentioning?

Sorry not helping but I'm curious about it. Thanks

Sent from my white LG Nexus 5
[G2 General] android404:
Xposed works on dalvik but not on art
[G2 General] jiteshj:
He is not talking about Nexus 5. Tell about G2
[G2 General] krichek:
I'm pretty sure the Sony sensor in the G2 is not capable of 4k video. So while there may be improvements to the camera software in Kit Katt, 4k video recording will almost assuredly not be one of them.
[G2 General] Dedzdedz:
LOL! And if my grandmother had wheels she was a double decker bus!

C'mon who said thay? We say android we say HTC, SAMSUNG, LG, MOTOROLA... Yes google may focus a lot more on samsung, maybe because people buy what's fashion. And yes google will enjoy that. What the...? That's why i don't pay attention to marketing when i want to buy a phone, otherwise i will be like the majority of people, following tv ads and getting ripped after that...

My opinion lolz

Dedz LG-d802
[G2 General] Billy Madison:
Any proofs that G2 has Sony's camera sensor?
[G2 General] ricecake2000:
Yeah I doubt kitkat will be released before the g3 comes out. Since that's common practice for all manufacturer's.
[G2 General] uniQ_87:
If they make KK as close to perfect as 4.2.2 i dont mind if they'll release it in May. I dont see any reason to be THAT mad about it.