yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] steverae:
wytey - Vijay555 :--

After testing some of the things i've had off VJ, i've come the same conclusion as wytey,

The lighthack thing works great for keeping the lights in when lid is closed, exactly what i wanted, thanks, would like this as a single prog if poss...

MSVC only works when the device is running normally, ie with clamhack activated, what happens when the lid is closed normally is you press your button on your bt headset, it turns on, audio is transferred to it and you get the beep from MSVC, then thats it, nothing else happens, PLUS the audio remains on the headset until you manually turn it of from the headset.

Cyberon (the software which is included in the ROM) works perfectly, with the lid closed. it also closes the audio link after it is complete.

SO it must be possible to hack MSVC to do this.

How you get MSVC to work instead of cyberon is to either replace the file sddialer.exe in the windows folder with Voicecmd.exe, then rename MSVC to sddialer.exe

OR edfit the registry and change the key HKLM\SOFTWARE\OEM\VOICE COMMAND\PATH to point to the location of MSVC eg

\program files\voice command\voicecmd.exe

Hope this helps you guys get this working.....

BTW does anyone know if a newer version is due out ?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] wytey:
@steverae

tried to find some info last night, but couldn't find anything useful :(

*edit*

Just been looking through the registry (making sure I don't change anything, no matter how tempting) and stumbled across this

ClamCloseSendKeyMT value 1

can be found at HKLM\Hardware\OEM\Keyboard

along with KeyLock

any ideas what these do?

I just so know that I am going to change them before I sleep tonight :D

*edit 2*

tried it, didn't do much :| at least not that I could figure out :(
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
wytey: I'd tried those registry keys before to no avail, but I didn't want to shout out because my system is now so bastardised, it's difficult to say what's normal any more!

Ok guys, I've installed Voice command 1.5UK, and am in the mood to try and tackle this problem again. Unfortunately I've tested my bluetooth headset and it's definately too stupid to activate vioce command - it only has volume up and down. But I digress. I think there is first a problem in identifying the problem here!

As I read through the thread there are several problems to be solved here. Please clarify if I've missed anything. Note, I'm not suggesting solutions to any of these, but it occurs to me that it's better to take one bite out of the problems at a time.

1. Hinge buttons should light up with clam closed.

2. Keys should be active with clam closed.

3. BT/WIFI staying on with clam closed (Is this correct? I read that BT stays on anyway but drains battery. Nothing can be done about this. Is there another problem?)

4. Some kind of TomTom problem?

5. Voice Command problem.

Reading steverae and wytey's posts I've had some thoughts about a possible way to fix VC, although right now I'm slightly stuck without a proper headset. But basically, I'll try redirecting voice command to see if it helps.

Please clarify issues to be solved if the above isn't clear. We'll get there in the end, these problems are doable!

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] steverae:
I think the most important thing to sort is the VC thing, Cyberon can do this fine so must be possible.

The light thing is working great just need it split into a seperate file with out the clamhack part.

Let us know how you get on matey.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] wytey:
@vijay

decided to order the headset online :)

if you could pm me your details, I'll get the HBH-35 sent out asap :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] rottie:
I just need point 2, working buttons.

I'm not using bluetooth headset, I definitely don't need buttons' backlight.And the wi fi does work with the lid closed.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
You see! I thought it was just me! There are distinct and very different problems here, but I've been cogitating at work (hey, when I'm at work, working is the last thing I do!) and have had some thoughts. I'll start attacking the VC problem and try to work from there. As ever in my developments, I throw everything at it until something sticks! Will let you know how I go.

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] rottie:
That's the spirit!!! :D

We're all waiting impatiently!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] rottie:
Any News??? :?: :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
rottie, good timing, I was just looking for the thread.

I spent until early this morning (5am) doing some developing and experimenting. Bad news so far. For now, I'm focussing on the Voice Command problem, but I don't know how you guys are using it, I've never tried it much.

Ok, with the lid open, are you using it ok? For now, using a Sony headset Wytey donated to me (thanks!), I'm using it in handsfree profile, and with both VC and Cyberon, you can press the headset button, get to issue one voice command, and that's it. Subsequent presses illicit no response. Is that normal? Is there a fix to this? I've made a work around to fix it but it seems to be an extreme way to correct the problem, but surely that can't be right? Maybe I need a hardreset+extended rom install.

Second observation for any hackers out there: it's not merely the headset button that will launch Voice command.

Whichever app you have assigned to

hklm\software\oem\voicecommand

will be launched, whenever you open an Audio Gateway to the headset. This isn't much use, other than I can assign a hardware key to always and successfully launch and close VC, but only with the lid open for now.

Ok, plan is to first discover whether this "one VC command only" bug is specific to my device or is general. Can you please shout out if it does or does not work for you, lid open, issuing more than one voice command.

Next step will be to take control of VC with the lid closed. Can you guys use Cyberon with the lid down? Again, I haven't tested that app much, but testing other apps doesn't wake up the device with the lid down, so please, again, indicate whether cyberon works with lid down. If it does, I'll reverse engineer it, but otherwise, other solutions related to Steve's request to retain full contol of the device with the lid down will be required (my existing ClamHack will achieve this, but I'd prefer a more elegant solution).

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] rottie:
Unfortunately I won't be able to help you with that :(

I don't use voice command, I don't use BT Headset, I don't even have internet access at home at the moment (I'm at work :roll: now).
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] GingerTommy:
I have MSVC installed and the reghack to make it the default voice dialler.

When the lid is opened and I press the headset's button the audio gateway is opened, the OS plays a tone on the headset to indicate it is launching a voice dialler or opening the gateway (at least i am assuming it is the OS) then voice command fires up and plays it's tone through the headset. I can then issue a voice command.

At this point the audio gateway remains opened and sound from the device, e.g. music from media player, is played on the headset. The gateway will only close when I press the headset button again.

This second press does not trigger MSVC to accept another command - I would need to press the button yet again to start another cycle. I can, unlike Vijay, issue multiple voice commands - the sequence is

press headset button ->

gateway open ->

OS tone ->

VC opens and plays tone ->

VC accepts command ->

press headset button ->

gateway closed.

Rinse and repeat...

As we know, with the lid closed, MSVC does not accept commands. I only hear the OS issued tone.

Vijay, I hope this helps you, shout out if you need more information. Thank you for your time and efforts fixing this problem, it is appreciated.

Regards, Thomas.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
That's helpful Thomas. I'll look into why the gateway's not closing properly on mine...

Hmm, after the initial VC, gateway is left open (I can hear the music!). Next press, transfers sound back. Next press does nada.... frustrating. Is this a common problem (I would imagine not). I think time for a hard reset..

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] wytey:
nps vijay :)

cyberon works fine with the lid close on mine. just the one press, cyberon closes the gateway automatically. repeat as required.

msvc requires two presses, first to open, issue command, then second to close. repeat if required.

still can't fathom out why it isn't working properly with your universal :(

read somewhere during one of my late night browsing sessions, that sddaemon.exe is part of cyberon, might be worth looking into that if sddialer.exe comes up blank.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] coldpenguin:
I have an mda pro. with the case open or closed. when paired with my bt skypower headset or headphones I have no problems.

start dial: press button twice

headset tones to say opening gateway, then again when gateway is open. then vc tones to say speak (this noise didn't happen on old motorola phone)

if noise is cecognised, phone plays recording, phone closes channel then reopens immediately. otherwise phone beeps twice and closes channel.

once call is over (if recognized) or original channel closes I can re-initiate by button twice again.

when you pair the devices, do you select both serial and audio, or just the latter?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
coldpenguin: just audio (handsfree profile). Is there another way? Your setup seems to be exactly what a lot of people are becoming damp over. Can you indicate what version of VC you're using, and if you had to install special drivers etc for the headphones. Much appreciated!

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] wytey:
interesting... only get Hands Free with the HBH-662...

I do get headset and serial on my pc tho... but I ain't lugging that around lol
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] GingerTommy:
I have Serial Port and Hands Free available for my Jabra BT800 with latest firmware.

I previously had only Hands Free selected, so checked both and.... no improvement: still nothing with the lid closed.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] wytey:
getting very interesting...

@coldpenguin

have you done anything to your universal? reg tweaks for example?

*edit 23/01/06*

well.. had a slight run in with the registry..... :P ended up having to hard reset.. so tried MSVC on the untouched O2 ROM, no go, still the same.

What ROM are you using Cold? BT stack?

Latest O2 ROM with the MS Stack here.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] steverae:
Hi guys again,

I must totally agree with wytey, When my headset is paired in handsfree or headset mode, cyberon works perfectly, with or without lid closed, plus it closes the audio gateway once complete so to issue another command requires just another click.

MSVC needs one click to open the channel, then another click after command to close the channel then another click to re-open the channel to start again..... However, if the phone is used through MSVC after the call completes, the channel is closed.

Cyberon can do it and the files needed for this to work can be found on this forum (under the blueangel sub-cat)

I had the exact same problem oin my XDA II, i'll post a link to the cyberon hack for the BA, so you get a list of all the files needed to make this work.

Here is a link to the files needed to get this working with cyberon's software. appears to be device independent (this is what comes as standard on the Exec)

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=28033
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] max007007:
Hoping to use the Exec camera light as torch.

Is there a simple freeware program that can activate the camera light without starting up the camera?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
max007007: welcome to the forum. You might find it helpful to read here

and then

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=29126&highlight=torch

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=31333&highlight=torch

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=33466&highlight=torch

amongst others.

I'm sure people are working on the idea. It can be done, I was doing some research on it this weekend. However, I need a new tool before it can be finished.

Buzz, any news from Mamaich? It's my only hope

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] joekinney@hotmail.com:
in windows media player options you can set a key / button to toggle the screen on and off, preserving battery life.. still may have to leave the lid open tho not too sure, but at least u saving ur battery...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
Joe, could you have a read of this post and thread

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=216798#216798

and then check if you can control WMP with the external keys with the lid down?

Gracias!

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] rottie:
any news??

Vijay, the buttons don't work, doesn't matter which application are u using,: WMP,TCPMP,PMV player etc.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
Thought so rottie. I'll have another play with this hopefully this weekend.

Battling with the VC question and the stoopid torch question as well (another thread).

I really need to get hold of a new tool though in association with Buzz, holding development back a little though. Trying to get it ASAP.

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] rottie:
Rushing you is not my intention V, I just try to keep it up because maybe someone will add something helpful.

BTW Does any of your applications allow to switch between running applications?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
VJOkButt with the -min command line will minimise each app I guess, until you reach the Today screen.

I've got to add a new option to switch to the next app though.. so kinda, yes, kinda no :)

Don't worry about the rushing. It's a tough problem, and I know you're travelling soon, but it's a case of getting the right tools, throwing a lot of thinking at it, and eventually cracking it!

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] wytey:
Just received the cdrom version of MicroSoft Voice Command F.O.C. courtesy of Windows Mobile :) well... technically... each copy has cost me £12.50 :|

Going to install it, and check out the version difference and see if that works... I'll post my findings in a bit.

*edit* false alarm, exact same version :|
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] steverae:
so what makes cyberon work and MSVC not ? this is a really strange one, we're all counting on VIJay and the other geniuses on this forum like Buzz and mamaich to fix this...

BTW ViJAY :- Do you have the light hack prog as a seperate progam from clamhack (VJElectrify)

Keep on plugging away at this guys
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
Steve, I'm doing a mammoth bit of R&D this weekend. I'll try to send you the light app.

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] techyphile:
i have been reading this post with great interest, as i raised the same issue in DEC too....

any ideas yet??

if not keep up the good work 'whoever u r'!!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] steverae:
Hi V

Got the light thing, haven't had a chance to test it yet as having a new baby in the house kinda keeps you on your toes.....

Any more progress on the MSVC thing.... this is the important bit as far as i am concerned as the universal is just too big to use as a phone.....
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
steverae: I've paused on development on this slightly:

Basically, after the difficulty in restarting VC (ie the problem where MSVC leaves the channel open), it's doubled my problems (since I can't wake the PDA with clam closed because my VC is leaving the connection open). I've posted here because I think some wizard guys are having the same problem. This has stalled my research again.

But anyway, to help with the VC problem, I instead decided to write VJVolubilis to take control of bluetooth, wifi, audio gateway and phone so that I could reset the VC connection. So I can now semi-fix VC's issue of leaving the connection open, but basically by disabling bluetooth, re-enabling bluetooth, (repairing the device if required) and then reopening the audio gateway. It's a solution, but it's not elegant.

However, since the headset was donated by Wytey, and since he had successfully used it without the VC issue I'm having, I'm inclined to think my VC problem is not hardware but software/registry related.

So I'm intending to hard reset imminently..

So, my position is that I'm going to hard reset and try to fight the MSVC issue again. However, I think unfortunately there is a more painful but more efficient route to the problem. I need to reverse engineer cprog.exe and cyberon's speed dialler and find out what kind of notification they're giving the system to wake it up successfully (this is relevant for both the MSVC issue and the external hardware keys issue).

Phew... so now, how to reverse engineer the apps. Well. What I really need now, is IDA Pro 4.9 (not 4.7 or 4.8 ). Hopefully I've got Buzz's authorisation to use his name on this one, but we're both intending to invest in this app since it'll be invaluable for a very large number of hacks and stuff we're both working on. Unfortunately, it's around 600 euros. And although I was >one< click away from buying it on Saturday, the realisation hit me: I've got a baby on it's way as well, and I really can't afford that kind of $$ at this time :(

So, I'm persevering with the older version of IDA, which should still be possible, but significantly harder. But, that's everything that's going on right now with this stage of my research. If anyone else can short circuit this stuff, I'd love an easier solution :) I love the R&D, but wow, it's time consuming!

BTW VJElectrify's clam hack seems to have a side effect of preventing the system from automatically changing screen orientation when you rotate the screen from clam to tablet (which some consider to be a useful function!).

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] pankajsingla:
hey guys first of all i m no genius i m just writing by watever information i get surfing net

as far as the question of cybron working wid lid closed and vc not working i think it is due to some program called sddaemon lying in the startup.

hope this is of of some help
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] wytey:
sddaemon link removed from startup, just incase it was interfering with msvc... no luck...

however....

this is the first time I've had that symptom, where the audio gateway would not close, and no response could be gotten from the headset, had to restart the headset to get it working again, but hasn't done it again... weird...

think I'm going to put my hands in the air and say... it's MicroSoft.... enough said :)

@vijay

congrats on the baby :) even less sleep than you are already having... oh the joys of having a baby :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
Wytey:

When did you start getting the headset problem? That's causing me irritation so far, but I'm not running sddaemon. I've got no ext rom installed. But I think there must be a patch etc in the ext rom that has something to do with this, because I know the headset doesn't have this problem (leaving gateway open, and uncloseable) on another universal.

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] wytey:
vijay, it may have been a coincidence, but it did it the first time after I used it, after removing the sddaemon link from startup folder and resetting.

try putting sddaemon link back into the startup folder and see if that solves it, however I must admit, although I did have that problem, it was just once, after restarting the headset, it was fine again.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] steverae:
Hi again V

Been reading with interest your post on audio gateway control.....

could you not right a little program that would launch msvc then close the gateway after a certain time like say 15 seconds however long it takes to issue a typical voice command.....

just an idea, i'm not a programmer just a network geek who has to put up with exchange server everyday...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
steverae: that's exactly why I wrote the program, VJVolubilis, because of difficulties I was having testing VJElectrify... so I could close the audio gateway. My longer term plan is to write an app that could disconnect VC after a period of time. However, right now I can barely use VC the first time, so at some point soon I'll hardreset so I can reset the system. It seems that few people are having the problem I'm having, of VC only allowing one command.

After I've "realigned" my system, I'll throw myself back into the other problems in this thread. However, I'm inclined to think that if and when MS updates VC for WM5, most of our problems shold be solved.. but when will that be?!

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cr0wn3r:
Any further news on this? I just bought MVC and was pretty darn peed off to find I still have to take the thing out of my pocket AND open up and switch on the screen to use it, because as has already been pointed out the buttons lock up when you close the clamshell. Kind of pointless. Might as well just get the stylus out and sack off VC altogether...

Anyway. Just thought Id ask.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Barinight.com:
HP iPAQ Bluetooth Stereo Headphones Problem!

hi, i've tryed to install the cab but i don't really now how it works!

could u help me for the procedure?

i got jasjar and the ms bt doesn't discover any service for the ipaq bt hedphone
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mesecm:
why my qtek 2020 don"T work With VJVolubilis???

need help! i am searching couple hours, and still not found the ansswer!

thanks
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vijay555:
No idea, it's not a piece of hardware I've ever had in my hands.

Dump your registry and send me a copy to look at. Hopefully in the near future VJVolublis will support more wifi devices, for now it's just the Universal really, since that's what I developed it on. Any other devices is mere serendipity.

V
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mesecm:
qtek 2020 don"t work with VJVolubilis???

why my qtek 2020 ( also known as O2 XDA II, or HIMALAYA) don"T work With VJVolubilis???

need help!

ROM version : 1.72.00WWE

ROM date : 03/15/04

Radio version : 1.14.00

Protokol version : 1337.24

ExROM version : 1.72.752

CPU : Intel PXA263

speed : 400 Mhz

Ram : 128MB

Flash : 32 MB

Flash chip type : 28F128K3

Data bus : 32 bits

Storage size 14.57MB

Is there something else you need to know! I upload also copy of my registry!

Thank You in Advance!!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] toxicdog:
any news on making the universal's buttons work with the lid closed?

some months ago i had an app, with that, i was able to use the buttons, with closed lid, but, just right after soft reset. After switching off and on the device, the buttons were blocked again with closed lid :(

Universal, closed, with working buttons on front, that would be a nice mp3 player. Tired of opening my universal everytime i want to change or even pause music.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] toxicdog:
The program is PQzII.

I think there is a service, checking the state of the lid, and it loads when the device boots up, also when you switch the uni ON.

Like the service, wich checks if the device lid is rotated and not, and rotates the screen.

Im sure that is a service, coz with some task manager, it can be killed, and no more automatic rotation.

I think we can do it with the device-closed-button-locker-service too, just have to find it. If the PQzII app can override it, maybe we can kill it.

Help needed.