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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] MidnightDevil:
The only real reason I see is if someone isn't into aosp (lack of customizations that is) and there isn't much choice but to wait for custom ROMs. Everything else there's either third party options and fixes.

But thats me :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] dave99:
For those with the exchange email issue, this only happens for me when I have it set to push (on both my N5 and N7), if changed to checking every 10 minutes, then it works fine. They must have messed up something with the push settings.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Anderson2:
That's why we are all different.

So, is there a way to prevent the ota from automatically downloading?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] stace:
Are you saying that these apps are broken in 4.4, or broken in 4.4 with ART instead of Dalvik?

Titanium have told me they're working on a new version of TB which would work with ART enabled, but if I boot with Dalvik instead, TB runs just fine under 4.4 (on my N5). I'm about to apply the update to my N7 to see how much I like it (currently finishing my backup as we speak in case I don't).
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] dobbs3x:
I use titanium on 4.4. It only works on dalvik. I just switch back between art and dalvik. It's not like I need to use titanium frequently.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] NexusRunner:
Just updated to KitKat. Not so exciting. What I miss most from 4.3 ROM is the TabletUI. According to PA Team, Google has completely wiped out Tablet UI code which means there's no way to bring it back without extensive hacking. Guess it's time to say goodbye to TabletUI in all 4.4 ROMs.

The new immersive UI ease my pain by at least allowing me to access status bar by swiping down from top of screen in every app. But I'm seriously considering going back to 4.3 with my favorite TabletUI, at least for now.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] taddi:
I used ART, I think this is the most import feature for Kitekat. I returned to my previous ROM and I can't tell if with Dalvick there are problems.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] nitrous²:
This thread has the most counterproductive title I've ever seen on xda...

To the whiney people among us; You're disappointed because you haven't got what you were expecting from Android 4.4? But almost none of the things you ask for was promised to be covered by the update (except for the GEL)! Android has come a very, very, veery far way since 1.5 (some of you seem to be very young, so you might not remember...) and has eventually reached a point of, let's call it "lay-off". It's pretty exhausting and expensive, even for Google, to release hundreds of new features every year. I wouldn't expect big changes on Android at least for the next two or three versions. And of course there are bugs! C'mon guys, it's not God who's building it (and given to what he created; humans, I wouldn't bet on his builds...). But let's take a deep breath and wait for a while, they will be fixed by future updates.

Please don't start with Adobe flash. It's just a huge pile of ugly code (imho)! It's a good move of Google to remove Adobe Flash, since it'll kill your battery, take decades to load and will cause your cpu to reach temperatures similar to suns surface (In case you don't get it, yes it's an exaggeration). Go blame the webpages that won't update to HTML5!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Slinky826:
MX Player doesn't work in 4.4? Damn, guess I better go tell it to stop working on mine, cause it works just fine. Just streamed a 1080p file off a media drive with no issues.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ShannonAUT:
Most likely he is using ART instead of Dalvik which causes those problems. (I use ART too but as it is still experimental you can expect some glitches)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] swisstourist:
Kids these days are just spoiled brats

They don't work, stay at home, play Xbox, surf all day on Internet.

Get a job,! Who cares about kit kat! Time will come!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] lomonic:
just upgrade it flash still works in dolphin. firefox is so slow anyways
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] LordLugard:
Use a file manager like Root Explorer (need to be rooted), and go to /System/Etc/Security/otacerts.zip.

Rename otacerts.zip to otacerts.bak
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] zif:
I do not think that it is counter-productive to provide details about these changes or potential issues so that people can make an informed decision.

In my case: I would not have bothered to upgrade to 4.4 (and then revert to 4.3) if I knew that the unofficial App Ops functionality was not (yet?) available on 4.4.

Your rant, however, is counter-productive.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Khendrix:
KitKat is awesome if you get the new google launcher and google search app with it. I haven't had any problems at all with it, works great. XBMC works finy for me aswell...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] nitrous²:
I guess some clarification is needed.

The title is counter-productive for XDA standards.

The others;

Complaining about a buggy ROM on XDA is somewhat paradox, don't you think so? Of course you can do it. Otherwise we wouldn't know about them. ...You're a senior on XDA. Tell me what happens when you complain about bugs in one of CM's threads! This is a place where almost every ROM is an experimental build and bugs are a matter of course. I appreciate his welfare though, since nice people are rare in these times :good:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mertzi:
It might be a sin for you to have other deities than your one god, I don't know what condemnation you follow, but it seems that you at least see Google as some unquestionable prophet/demigod. This is a discussion forum, not some Google god channel, and constructive criticism is a natural part of discussion. This thread is to point out personal reasons which might be informative to others. If I knew app ops was removed before updating I wouldn't have updated.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] alpine101:
Exactly. And the best reason not to update!

If it ain't etc...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] spinosa:
LTE connect/disconnect issue

I've got a LTE version. Been running KitKat since Thursday evening. Today at work I noticed that I had no data connection. Watching the device for a few minutes it seems to connect but not login then drops the connection and the cycle repeats, it does not seem to fall back to 3g. Telling it to use 3g lets it connect. The signal LTE signal here is bad but on 4.3.1 all was working.

Update: There is a problem with kitkat but is not generic.

Turns out there is a bad cell in my area. Kitkat loops forever trying to connect to it. It should be smart enough to rate limit the attempts and disable 4g after a few failures.... Logs to come
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mertzi:
Just want to confirm what others have said, it's now impossible to get flash working with any browser, both with ART and dalvik. I'm all pro leaving flash to the past but a lot of web developers still seem to think that flash is awesome.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] nitrous²:
Whatever...

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Anderson2:
Thanks. I am rooted but rename fails. :(

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Anderson2:
OK, what are the reasons to move from 4.3 to 4.4? (Other than bragging rights)

What do you give up if you stay with 4.3 on the nexus 7?

(Not an expert. Just curious.)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] AarSyl:
Printing to network printers from the tablet (not through 3rd party apps). THe other things aren't coming to mind because this is my biggest benefit at the time being. You are also giving up speed and better power management....

......and bragging rights. :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Hnk1:
This is how I see KITKAT

1. Flash works perfectly for me (Dolphin, enable it using settings)

2. No issues with my email. I do manual sync mostly

3. Don't use it

4. Add the google launcher and it's so much better really. I manually upgraded (google image so lost all my data) and I found it almost same. However, installing the new launcher really kicked in a new look!

My all problems of random hanging and touch screen issues are GONE. I didnot have any problems out of the box but last two updates were troubling me. NOW ALL OF THOSE ISSUES ARE GONE FOR ME. SO I AM REALLY HAPPY THAT I UPGRADED

Couldnot resist not to reply. Where we buy phones, check it for half an hour and viola, we are unlocked, rooted and on a custom rom already :P

I wholeheartedly agree. The apps are being updated and my all apps work flawlessly.

YOU ROCK ! I waited until factory images were available as I couldnot stop thinking not having it!

You make a very valid point. Can't think why people are so much trying to get flash on their devices. Flash works for me on my Nexus (Dolphin)

I disagree. For me, KITKAT fixed everything. All touch isssues and random lag sometimes. It's much smoother and also it fixed my magnetic screen lock with my screen cover.

MX Player PRO 1.7.20 is running and kicking for me. No problems at all. So do Titanium. I checked VLC player now as well. Everything is fine. I am on dlavik by the way.

Works for me

I never knew we had that :D

Try to update your MX player pro. My runs perfectly!

Agreed ! Specially with the new launcher as well.

I know, it works perfectly. Some people have to think of BUGS everytime it's updated when their might not be at all.

Another confirmation!

Agreed!

ART support hasnot really started. Kitkat basically is trying to show developers what they can do with it and slowing asking for a transition to ART from dalvik. So you can not hope to have every thing ready in a week or so!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] brianf21:
Download the the latest xbmc nightly. Go to setting>video>playback. At the bottom of the menu on the left, click "Settings level standard" until it says "setting level advanced". Click "frame multi..." and unclick "allow hardware..." At that point you should be good to go.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] blackhand1001:
The biggest issue I have with kit kat is the switch to chromium webview. Its so much laggier than the old WebKit webview. The aosp browser was pretty much perfect in 4.3 and now no longer has text wrapping or many other features it used to have.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] purple lady:
I just renamed using Root Explorer. Did you mount rw?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] dobbs3x:
Flash with dolphin doesn't work on 4.4. Yes I enabled it. The developer I think has even confirmed it Wil not work on 4.4. The 2 guys that say it works I think are seeing html5. Some sites will have flash and html5 and if flash fails it reverts to html5.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Anderson2:
Thanks. I was using ES file Explorer where that was not obvious.

Used Root Explorer, mounted rw and it worked fine.

Thanks.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sfhub:
Suggest posting a link to what doesn't work and then everyone can compare apples to apples.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] dobbs3x:
Here's a link to dolphins website with their response to flash on 4.4 with dolphin. https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] TheGoD:
This isn't about new features that some people hoped would be in 4.4, this is about things that are missing compared to the old version. I think that's absolutely obvious, even if you would have only read that title you are mocking.

I'm not here to blame anyone. I don't care at all if Adobe throw the towel or if Google pressured them, all I know is that I can still use websites and services that require Flash on 4.3 and can't on 4.4. That is one possible reason to stay on Jelly Bean and I think it is important to inform people about that.

And BTW, I know that Flash uses allot of CPU power, but so does Google Maps! As well as 3D games, the camera or hundred other things. Sure it wastes battery life, but so does the official Youtube app's behavior of deleting it's stream-buffer when you exit out of the app to read a mail or a hangout. I can make a informed decision to don't use Flash if I need to conserve my battery power.

But this shouldn't be an experimental build! I for one don't want the manufacturer of my device to push untested software onto it. And of course I gonna complain about that! Unlike the CM guys I paid Google for the device. Not for some 270 Euro alien tech, but for a device that is capable of the things that are in its feature list. You know, like a working touchscreen...

But again, this thread isn't mainly about complaining. It is about showing disadvantages of 4.4 compared to 4.3, so everybody can decide to update or to stay on Jelly Bean. And for me, deciding what software to use instead of blindly acepting what ever the manufacturer pushes on you is the very soul of XDA!

Yes, but I have to feeling that Google just sucks at testing new stuff. Just take the Nexus 7 Bluetooth fiasco of 4.2. Google decided to replace the Bluetooth stack for the update and that made all stereo audio devices unusable. How could something like that happen if the tested Bluetooth after the replaced it very stack? And of course, there was no fast hotfix and they didn't pulled 4.2, but the fixed it three months latter. Sorry but some small indie game devs do a better job than this. Now I really complained allot.

But my main point is: Why on earth would I use the latest rom if I am depended functionality that was removed from it? Just for some new features that I might not really care about? I mostly use my devices by using apps instead of stuff that is build into the OS. And apps will work on 4.3 without a problem for another year or two at least.

You do! Why else would u waste your time posting here, grandpa?

That would definitely mean that I sit Kitkat out for as long as I can.:(
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DaemonAshra:
None of those reasons seemed valid in terms of how I use my tablet.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] lomonic:
People are really missing out for not upgrading to 4.4. Take the dive into ART and GEL and have fun! You will enjoy it! If an APP doesnt work, get another. Plenty of alternatives out there on Android. When are we ever short on options?

If you still insist to stay back on older 4.3 release for whatever reasons, by all means but don't discourage others from moving up.

All joys for me and i think the purpose and intent behind google's kitkat 4.4 is amazing. it optimises for lower end devices and extend longevity of past generation smart phones still being used in emerging markets / countries.

When compared to iOS 7 -- OMG have anyone even tried using ios 7 on iPad 2? New flatter design yet heaps slower performances. What a shame, fruit company.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jonathan3579:
The inability to text is one reason to stay away from KitKat. That was a huge factor for me to consider the Nexus 7 LTE. :(
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sordna:
iOS asks you if you want to allow an app to access your photos or contacts. That's GREAT, the way permissions should be: user selectable. Android 4.3 did not ask you, but gave you App Ops to take away certain permissions from apps.

KitKat took App Ops away. That's the real shame. I downgraded back to 4.3 and riding it out until Android gives back the supposed extra control it should have over iOS.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Paten:
I thought you could still text, you just had to use Hangouts to do it. Is that not right?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jonathan3579:
From what I've read here... http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2531890 KitKat has broken texting in tablets with both the 3G 2012 model and the LTE 2013 model. Reports are that there's no option for allowing Hangouts to take over text on the N7. I'd love to see more people chime in, of course.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] istring:
I've noticed that Google music no longer syncs.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mobile88:
Hangout does not provide the texting option at all in KitKat on N7 LTE
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mertzi:
Either your lying or testing with YouTube or some other site that switches to HTML5 when flash isn't available. Flash does NOT work with dolphin, it's even confirmed by the developer. Can you please prove that it works? Open flash settings via the app drawer and choose dolphin and make a screenshot.

This is what i get
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] omega1alpha:
I'm pretty sure Flash video doesn't work under KitKat. I tried several browsers and none of them will play flash video. Dolphin seems to be playing html 5 video or some other format, but it's definitely not flash. I get the same blank screen when I check the Flash settings manager. Well, I downgraded back to Android 4.3. There are just too many sites that I frequent that still require flash video.

Why can't these web developers stick to a standard format? That's one thing I hate about tech. I've been hearing that mobile flash is dead for over a year now and I still see it all over the place. I believe adobe is still supporting desktop flash, so we are going to still see flash on a ton of sites and this is going to effect web browsing. I also noticed that a few sites that look like crap (format, images, etc) when browsing under android or mobile user strings. As soon as I switch to desktop, things look better, but you need flash for the video. I know, I'm complaining, but we need standard practices across the board. That said, I did notice that KitKat seemed to have better battery life and the tablet seemed to run cooler for some reason.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] deezid:
It's a shame Google has replaced its fast and flash supporting WebKit with chromium webview.

Laggy and no flash support... :(

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] swisstourist:
To save battery. Mine got 25% more...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Reignogleph MMXI:
The main reason I'm considering not updating is that according to one report on this thread, USB Audio seems to be more broken than it was with 4.3. Has anyone else tried using their external DAC with 4.4?

My 4.3 N7.2 has to use USB Audio Recorder Pro for the most part and that's already an irritating compromise. To have even that functionality taken away would mean sacrificing tolerable audio performance with headphones and external speakers.

If USB Audio turns out to be broken with 4.4, the question becomes whether ROM devs and others will find a solution. If so, then their versions of 4.4 will likely be the ones for audio enthusiasts to flash and will offer a significant reason not to avoid upgrading.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] akenis:
MX player works fine.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mwatson:
I got KitKat today. Android is a great OS, though due to its wake lock issues, the battery useage and wake lock monitors have been a must for me over the years. These apps no longer work with KitKat. I hope the devs find another way of reporting these.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jzsax1:
You guys are not seeing this from his point of view. Kit Kat is buggy and the one thing for me that made me revert back to JB is that VPN is broken... i need vpn....

XDA is not just about ROM flashing, its about finding solutions and improvements for situations you might experience with your device. via a kernel or mod, there are other ways to improve a device beside ROM flashing... Kit Kat is buggy and unless you want to trade one issue for another then IMO it is best to wait until some of these problems are addressed by either the community or google...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sparksd:
Agree. I'm having wakelock issues with KitKat that I didn't have with 4.3 and it's near impossible to run them to ground now.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jlrodriguez91:
im having problems with the motion sensor, its not stable is moving like crazy and i dont know why
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DavidKotzebue:
The stock email client stalls "fetching attachment" when trying to open attachment. It worked on 4.3. However, gmail is able to open attachments.

Edit: I guess it works but takes a long time to download. Gmail on the other hand is almost instantaneous.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mwatson:
4.4 has broken my nexus 7. Just tried to watch one of my many avi videos and vlc doesn't work. I've just spent time going through google play trying to find another player and non of them work on this. As it's been pointed out flash doesn't work. I want it back! Battery stats and battery % in status bar doesn't work. I have to say kitkat is a pos.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] neugenusis:
Heres how to see if Flash is working for you. Go here and play the video in DESKTOP MODE.

If you can't play it, you don't have flash. But go to ANDROID MODE and now Video plays in HTLM5 in SD quality.

If you have flash, the Video will play in HD quality and HD sound. That's a reason i'm still on 4.3.

If I want to experience 4.4, it's ready on my N5. But honestly, I don't utilize any of the new features.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] swisstourist:
Yep not working in desktop...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kevincowong:
MY N7 Flo has been using the unofficial PA 4.4 v2 rom but the wifi only works with elementalx 1.8 kernel but not the 2.0?

But i though the 2.0 was updated to support 4.4 right? why using 2.0 will block the wifi but 1.8 does not?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] hasenbein1966:
Kitkat is of course NO Pos, but for many people who need certain apps or functions it's just too new still, because many things haven't been adapted yet.

We non-updaters have to be thankful to the early adopters who help to iron out the glitches so that in some months we can update safely, too.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] picrthis:
I'm in the same boat, I had KitKat didn't like the very short battery life & the lack of the way the WiFi status icon worked, so I flashed back to 4.3, now though it says "system update downloaded" how do I get rid of that package? I don't want to touch & install it like it says and I'm also afraid if I reboot anytime, it will then be installed. I'm on the Nexus 7 2013 unlocked & rooted.

Thanks!

Update:

OK I figured it out, I found the zip file & moved it, it was in the cache dir. Re-booted the tablet and the notification message to touch & install is no longer there, renamed the otacerts file so it doesn't come back, Thanks for that info! I'm good now. :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] bwells88:
I got my 4.4 update yesterday and it seems like I don't have the new Google Home?... I'm sad I can't say... "OK Google"... Haha... Odd though... Going back to SlimKat!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] caffeinated.pants:
This issue has been fixed in the vlc nightlies, just go to nightlies dot videolan dot org and download a recent nightly (ARMv7-A).
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sordna:
Can someone who upgraded to 4.4 please try this app which claims App Ops on kitkat ? Does it really work?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.findsdk.apppermission
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] clarksonator:
That app worked for me.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] xdhall:
Dice player still works with every file type imaginable (including avi).

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.inisoft.mediaplayer.a
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] 14peter:
Nexus 7 en 10

Ik heb kitkat gedownload en installeert op mijn 2 geroote Nexus 7 en 10 gekregen via mijn tabletten ik kom elke keer weer bij twrp uit ik geraak niet meer in mijn systeem,kan u mij helpen,ik dacht dat ik geen update van google kreeg als ik geroot was toch krijg ik update binnen maar het installeren lukt niet

Sorry my englisch is nog voor i hope you van read ANC understand myn questions vraag
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] csrow:
Although it's not native, Puffin browser will play flash in 4.4 since the rendering is done on the server.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] alpine101:
The message to check for this update has appeared on my stock but rooted LTE this morning. I had already renamed the otacerts.zip file. Checking in /cache shows the zip file has appeared there. I renamed it from .zip to .zoppy, but the system doesn't appear to like that and has now deleted it.

However, the 'Android 4.4 System Update' screen is still there in settings/updates, though the prompt at the bottom says 'check now' rather than install. I haven't clicked it but it is now downloading the damn thing again...

EDIT: It would appear that even if the zip file has been deleted from the cache, if you ever go into /Settings/About/Systems Updates, it will download the file again, irrespective of the absence of otacerts.zip. I'm glad I'm using wifi and not the 3G/LTE service!