yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Micromax A110] jatin@1:
First I am not here opposing anyone.

I have due respect for [MENTION=5415218]andiroxu[/MENTION] for making his awesome kernels, [MENTION=1011521]varunc[/MENTION]hitre.15 for all his works and [MENTION=3367108]justmpm[/MENTION] for being so supportive and friendly :thumbup:

NOW COMING TO MY VIEWS REGARDING THIS DISCUSSION.

I am still thinking that was andiroxu sources really improper? Well I really cannot comment on this......

BUT if yes than why there is no update in his thread by [MENTION=4775688]GermainZ[/MENTION] that investigation is over and thread and thread closed due to improper sources and non-GPL complaint kernel.

(THOUGH I DONT THINK THIS.)

Also I think that the thread was made just to know status of investigation and by no means target at any allegations or stating who is right [MENTION=5238428]superdragonpt[/MENTION]. Also pls respect everyone. Atleast I think that results of investigation is not out yet. So pls....

And [MENTION=3367108]justmpm[/MENTION]....just a little thing ....------>(not asking about results of investigation)BUT IN WHOLE THREAD YOU SAID THAT I CANNOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE STATE OF INVESTIGATION AND NEITHER GERMAINZ CAN. :(

I hope atleast we could get the status.

And if status is not possible than pls any reason behind even hiding the state of investigation?:confused:

Also andiroxu said that he have uploaded the new sources. Pls atleast (if possible) a little hint about status. Also andiroxu said that even he didn't received ant reply after the new sources. Atleast if possible pls reply him.

Also I request everyone to be polite... [MENTION=5220528]UnNaMeD__[/MENTION] just making sarcastic remark on maderators investigation is not at all grceful.

[MENTION=3367108]justmpm[/MENTION] brother....pls don't close this thread. It is just a simpe question thread(though related to some deep matters.) And is fully supporting OP too.

******b/w andiroxu brother.....really no one (except one or two) calls you cheater. Instead we all have a due reapect for you. Also everyone always praises and appreciates your works.*******

Also I am against everyone who disrespect anyone....you are at xda and not at fb. So pls give respect to everyone and everyone or else you are going straightway against xda rules.:mad:
[Micromax A110] eagleeyetom:
Gentlemen...

There is a reason why the whole situation takes so much time. The kernel development is covered under GNU GPL v2 license. It means that all necessary information should be available to every person interesting in compiling a kernel.

For example the informations about toolchain, defconfig etc. etc. The last thing is that the source is pushed as a one big commit, which makes things incredibly hard to investigate. It's like finding a needle in haystack. If you want an update, so be it. Our requirements were presented to andiroxu and we gave him plenty of time to fix his repositories. The perfect solution would be merging kernel sources from kernel.org with those available for you, but I understand that it's not an easy process but doable nonetheless.

I'm not going to attack anyone, but derailing this thread to talk issues between two developers is wrong and won't be tolerated. We are not My Little Pony and don't have to love each other, but respect to other's work was a ground on which XDA was built. I understand that varun can be upset and despite the fact that releasing a kernel = accepting the GPL license = allowing everybody to use every piece of code, credits should be given. It's not hard to type 2 lines of text and thank someone. Not to mention that it's one of XDA rules.

About non compliant kernel being warez. Technically you don't have to pay for kernel, but violating the GPL license means that kernel is illegal and can't be shared. Like warez, hence the comparison.

We need the evidence and unless we get it, the thread will remain closed.
[Micromax A110] justmpm:
Why are you asking about this? You know that the problem has nothing to do with varun.chitre. Your kernel thread was closed on October 2nd and a number of problems were pointed out to you. You notified me on November 1st that new kernel sources were available and I began working on them on November the 4th. After conferring with a member of the Developer's Committee, you were informed of what still needed to be done on November the 8th. You know what needs to be done, and we are ALL waiting on you.

edit: ninja'd :(
[Micromax A110] @ditya:
Any update:confused:
[Micromax A110] ekhasti:
All dates are down :(
[Micromax A110] jaunty:
Brother andiroxu.

We all are waiting for you here.. What happened??
[Micromax A110] m0han:
I gotta start here by saying that I no longer use an "MMX A110 C2". But, as a guy who's used the work of both [MENTION=5415218]andiroxu[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4309448]varun.chitre15[/MENTION] in the past, I thought I should post this:

As clearly stated by [MENTION=4252905]ibshar[/MENTION] (the OP), this is an open question for

all the mods

. That being the case, I think everyone oughta wait for the mods to post and then

respond specifically to the mods' posts

. That way the mods would get a clear idea of what users think of it all, which, hopefully would aid them in their investigation.

This thread wasn't created to garner support for [MENTION=5415218]andiroxu[/MENTION] or his good work or, for that matter, [MENTION=4309448]varun.chitre15[/MENTION]. It's not nice to see quite a bit of bad blood being 'generated' in this forum. So, guys, my request to everyone is to regulate your posts and respect the mods' stand, while continuing to support [MENTION=5415218]andiroxu[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4309448]varun.chitre15[/MENTION] and everyone else.

I guess this'd be a nice way to keep the thread clean and as intended by [MENTION=4252905]ibshar[/MENTION]. If anyone feels I've trespassed, please ignore this post. Thanks for your time.
[Micromax A110] andiroxu:
Hey all moderators and admnistrator

Now I want answer to this thread's source code.

The OP made just three commits and you are still lip closed and haven't yet closed the thread like mine. This shows how partial you are.
[Micromax A110] icoolguy1995:
Hmm good point but haven't you seen commits? duh!!

and for commits i had a deep discussion with [MENTION=3367108]justmpm[/MENTION] and [MENTION=3544509]eagleeyetom[/MENTION] so if you dont know the things then please don't tell.
[Micromax A110] andiroxu:
Hey kiddie!!!

Are you moderator or adminstrator? I need answer from them, not you.
[Micromax A110] icoolguy1995:
Hey, i say your name hmmm.........ok let it be(Cant name you cause you have SO many names), but i need to answer this because you have taken my work for investigation. And i am answering this cause i think no one from Mods will reply you(I think, as your stealing matter has gone to DEVELOPERS COMMITTEE) and your point that i have done only three commits are wrong cause ITS the source who matter not the commits.

NOW NO REPLY FROM MY SIDE to your NOOBISH COMMENTS
[Micromax A110] andiroxu:
Hey Kid

You raised the correct matter yourself. Your lines would now be used by me to get my matter resolved. You said " your point that i have done only three commits are wrong cause ITS the source who matter not the commits.". Now that's what I forwarded many times to mod and admin but they gave me converse replies.

[MENTION=3367108]justmpm[/MENTION] Now I need a reply to this also.
[Micromax A110] :
Brothers and my Senior MODs,

Sorry that I'm interrupting your discussion. But Yes one thing XDA is place to learn and to use others work with transparency and credits.

That's only the problem. But if I understand few things of GitHUB then:-

If I will fork any source then original Dev can know this by seeing that who has forked his sources.

Then you can claim credits. But here is everything reverse.

No proofs, no claims, direct actions.

If any Dev has found that andiroxu or others have forked their sources then why not have screenshot or printscreen of the forked sources.

Brothers, let's be transparent and straight to point. Please don't only say this but please prove it as well so that it will be easier for mod to get the investigation to some conclusion.

Regarding [MENTION=5415218]andiroxu[/MENTION] or [MENTION=4701561]icoolguy1995[/MENTION] or [MENTION=4309448]varun.chitre15[/MENTION].

All are fantastic dev and even must needed persons for the Micromax Community also.

But does this means that new talent will leave xda because of not getting support from seniors or other members or MODs.

I will also like to say that earlier XDA was not like this. Just a year back when I joined I got excellent support from MODs specifically my SuperMOD Sir [MENTION=3367108]justmpm[/MENTION] and also from every senior may its Adi Aisiteru Reborn, Majdinj Sir, TDunham, Goldieking Sir, brother Dzolcp, bombaybadboy and there are many more. Some of them are now MODs.

They are helpful and always maintained the dignity of the word open source. Anyone can use their work with proper credits and they never denied anyone to not to use their work.

That's what open source means.

But in our forum a line is used - "You are not allowed to use my work or any part of my work"

Does this means that the other dev have done less effort than the dev of our forum. or the other devs are fool that they allowed to use their work.

That's what greatness lies.

XDA always been ahead of every forum but in Micromax community its getting worse day by day.

MODs even whatever I am now in this one year period is a complete credits to other dev's work and support I got also from MODs.

Please sir do conclude the investigation soon. Cause new talents need your support again.

Please MODs reply us soon and seeking help from my SuperMOD Sir also [MENTION=3367108]justmpm[/MENTION].

Please!!! Please!!! Please!!!

Sorry if I am gone ahead of my limit but this topic is something always stopping me to work further, because without 4.2 kernel no use to work on 4.2 ROMs and its been enough time we tried contacting our OEM for sources and different things.

Our OEM is the main culprit. Is there anyway to punish them. No, there is none.

Now I'm getting sick with the lowend or legacy device specially when its from a fool OEM - Micromax. The worst ever support to Dev and the worst ever device I handled till date.

Sorry for doing wrong, but now will not continue any of my work till the investigation is over on the kernel issue.

Thanks to all of my Seniors and MODs and users for supporting me in my ventures.
[Micromax A110] andiroxu:
Brother don't stop your development due to me or my issue. I will feel pain in my heart. Please go ahead and serve to community. This is my urge to you.
[Micromax A110] :
Brother,

I solely understand this but can you tell me will you flash a ROM in which camera is not working and they hearing is not working. Off course not. No one will.

No point in discussing these things.

And community. Hmmmm. Community. A silent one.

Great. I don't know how and why they supported me.

But development will be after conclusion only. Users can take that I'm very busy with my schedules.

I don't know brother that you know me as a particular or not. Let me tell you some about me.

I loved XDA and still love it. Whatever I learnt about android its because of XDA. I'm following XDA from mid of 2011 but never joined it until I realised how much tough it is to mod anything.

I joined here to help a brother to root his mobile (XPERIA X10i) with Sir Doomlord's kit and his kernel.

And since then my journey started. Earlier coming to MMX community I was made a perception that XDA is meant for helping each others.

So. Now brothers a small urge please don't leave the topic. I'm only a 0.000001% of the XDA population of users.

Don't carry-on about my works let's talk about kernels, MODs and investigation only.

Please help me in this.
[Micromax A110] :
The Same Thing I Want To Say [MENTION=4987653]SuperDroid-BOND[/MENTION] Without Kernel No Use of 4.2.x Roms They R Almost Useless. There Is No Support From OEM (Worst Thing Ever For This Community).
[Micromax A110] andiroxu:
Then brother I will not stop you. I respect the people like you and even this give some hope that the people like you are still thee who can feel pain of others.

Brother I salute you. Even I salute all the developers of MMX community.

Salute..Salute...Salute...
[Micromax A110] khan_frd2002:
Dont Worry Andiroxu Bro...We All Are With You

I Am Not Forcing Anyone...But i am With Andiroxu Bro

I Request All Devs Of MMX A110 Please Stop Development Until We get Reply From Mods

No Mods No Rom Anything Until We Get Proper Reply
[Micromax A110] icoolguy1995:
Ok last comment!

Hey work ***********

I think are missing point, its not about commits its about source and the critical point that is CREDITS. You are correct that commits are not important but dude you also missed the credits. Check my thread I have first taken permission of commits from mods then see my credits whose name are there. why dont you mind your own business?

please stop calling me other than my username otherwise I'll report you
[Micromax A110] jatin@1:
Well i too noticed this thing in our community that members are self-centered. :(

Some don't help and allow others to use their work even after asking and assuring proper credits. But [MENTION=4987653]SuperDroid-BOND[/MENTION], [MENTION=5415218]andiroxu[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4333809]khan_frd2002[/MENTION] were the first one whom I met one after the other in a couple of days who were quite generous and polite.

The answer to use their work(via pm) was "yeah bro...you can use any of my works freely". Which was damn contrary to some as in one rom's build.prop I once found this so rude line-->"You are prohibited to use any of my work. If you found using then I will f**k you".:o

And we as A110 community salutes you...the one without whom we won't have 4.2...:)

Ok brothers.....unlike the silent community. I am in your stand.:)
[Micromax A110] ibshar:
Un-bloody believable! You BANNED him!??
[Micromax A110] :
What really....!!!!

This is not possible.

How MODs can do that to a dev like this.

I don't know that this is the answer or not but I am unable to believe this that these things are really happening to XDA my school, usually know to be a place of learning and helping each other.

I know one thing that it can't be our SuperMOD [MENTION=3367108]justmpm[/MENTION].

Don't know our future now. May something like this only.
[Micromax A110] Faaiz Puthawala:
moderatoers its not fair to bann a person who made 4.2 possible for our device
[Micromax A110] jatin@1:
:(:(:(:(:what::what::screwy:

:crying::crying:
[Micromax A110] ekhasti:
What The hell...??

and this is right way??

He is the ONE and ONLY ONE..

who give us Best & Working kernel...
[Micromax A110] deeplyyoung:
The only man who is capable to do good things & giving us New things which r impossible for all... Blocked him for no reason... this is not good...

temme a single name who provided So many kernels in whole XDA...

remove the Ban & restore how with honor...
[Micromax A110] justmpm:
Well...I'm not sure how to begin. There has been a lot of bad feelings about the kernel situation and I am not sure the best way to address it. Nobody has been banned because of activity in this thread, that much I can guarantee you.

Everybody on my Mod team was really excited when you guys got kernel source and none of us is targeting kernel devs or purposefully trying to block development on your device. Why would we?????

Looks to me like this all got started with the release of another custom kernel. So far this kernel has not been reported either with the report button or by PM and I am not sure what (if anything) is wrong with it. I see 3 commits that match 3 compiled kernels, I see the OP making commits, before releasing compiled kernels, I see the OP adding missing parts of his source - as soon as they are asked for, I see an extensive changelog, I see credits given to the people whose work is being used. If I am missing something with this kernel source, please PM one of the moderators or use the report button - somebody will investigate it.

There is no real reason why there should only be one working kernel - after all that is the whole point of Open Source and the GPL. If you want to support andiroxu, then the best way to do it is by helping him to get, and keep, his kernel sources in order. He will be welcome back when his ban expires, and his kernel will be welcome as soon as it meets the guidelines he has been given.
[Micromax A110] :
That's like my SuperMOD sir.

Thanks a ton and whole lot more thanks for the clarification.

I was knowing this and this is the only reason we remember you trouble you always when we get problems.

So Sir only one more clarification I want to do. You found the sources genuine right.

And so andiroxu kernel can be used in ROM or not....????

I didn't slept whole night just waiting for a answer.

Now I'm glad I got one big positive hope.

I got my birthday present.

Today I completed my one year on XDA.
[Micromax A110] deeplyyoung:
just eagerly waiting to know that can we use andiroxu kernel.... without any fear in our ROMS?

N Bond Sir many many happy returns of the day wish u a very happy B-Day
[Micromax A110] jatin@1:
Well between [MENTION=3367108]justmpm[/MENTION] sir said that "he will be back as soon as his ban expires."

DO ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT WHEN THE BAN WILL EXPIRE?

Just curious to know.
[Micromax A110] ibshar:
[MENTION=4987653]SuperDroid-BOND[/MENTION] , [MENTION=5149175]deeplyyoung[/MENTION]

Guys I don't think these lines were for ANDIROXU's kernel sources, I think he is talking about the sources posted by icoolguy that Andiroxu has mentioned here!
[Micromax A110] zelendel:
Ok you all know me. I have been fighting with this OEM for over a year about this and here is the bottom line. The OEM imports these devices from China. We all know how China feels about copyrights so Micromax doesnt have the source code so they cant post it. Now normally we would not allow the device in the forums at all as the device its self breaks our rules, but we have decided to allow this device to be here for the few users that do have them. If a dev decides to post a kernel and doesnt keep the source up to date and posted then it is removed. If he keeps doing it then he is banned bottom line. Now I will not get into the details of his ban as this is no ones business but the user and the mod, but i will say this. His source was not kept up to date and complete.

On a side note I will advice you guys that if you want to avoid this then avoid this OEM all together.

Just be thankful that you still have a forum as it was talked about removing all devices from this OEM all together from the site.
[Micromax A110] jatin@1:
:eek:
[Micromax A110] adil uddin:
Yeah bro :rolleyes: andiroxu's kernel thread was banned because he was being accused of stealing the sources of varun.chitre15 in the first place.. I request the MODs to clarify the main ground of the matter i.e. the allegation that andiroxu has stolen the source or not :confused: then you can further investigate this.. but plz come to the main point and if he's not guilty plz reopen his thread.. :(
[Micromax A110] Sk.D:
If this is the thing, I ll be leaving xda. Bye Tc all. Have a nice journey on xda.. Thanks to xda guys for everything

And [MENTION=3367108]justmpm[/MENTION] ur a great moderator, literally brother I love u a lot. # respect.
[Micromax A110] zelendel:
The reason he was banned is not up for debate. He would not have been banned had he done nothing wrong. The ban was justified and will stand. The thread will remain closed until further notice. This is not up for debate.
[Micromax A110] jaunty:
What type of dictatorship is this??

If you want to remove all the devices from this OEM than go ahead..!!

You are behaving like you are donating something to us..

WoW, You own this website means you will order us.. BAN me remove me i dont care, but the ban on our dev bothers everyone here..

He gave us a working kernel for 4.2, he helped us to develop 4.2. what you gave us?? (babaji ka thullu) in addition you did what banned, him and written a speech..

In India 60% smartphones are by Micromax Or By MTK. And to be on your website all the ppl have to think whether to get a Value to money device or a Value to brand device..

Seriously its LOL... :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Cool, i would like to see how is this possible that you remove this OEM..
[Micromax A110] zelendel:
Bottom line is simple. Our rules are simple. Follow them or be banned. It is that simple. We can not control what people buy or what is available in a set country but if you notice almost none of the devices out of china have a forum here. Even the popular Xiomai device doesnt have a forum. Can you guess why? .........yup no kernel source for the longest time. Even the stock kernel was banned from being included in roms due to lack of kernel source. Now you want to talk about dictatorship, remember this is a private forum that we allow users to use.

Breaking the GPL laws is something we are very against. If you cant understand why then you really need to do some research as without the GPL you wouldnt have as much Development as you do have.

As for the ban. It was warranted and to be flat out honest. None of your or anyone elses business. Now you want to be mad at someone be mad at the people to blame and that is Micromax. It is them that are buying/selling devices and having no concern for the law.
[Micromax A110] deeplyyoung:
Gr8 n fair enough from yr ends... can any other Dev has given so much for our C2 till date.. gimmi a single name... instead of appreciation banning is here... hip hip hurray ... keep blocking all workable n dedicated Dev's
[Micromax A110] jaunty:
its most awesome than, others are making development with GPL and we are genious, we can do these things without GPL..

Okay, so micromax is selling device against the law.

You are senior enough, Fire a case against Micromax?? let them suffer for breaking LAW, why in between law and Micromax we guys have to suffer?

Or you can do nothing, Except telling about rules and blocking ppl??
[Micromax A110] zelendel:
We have tried this already. We have requested it but as Micromax has refused to push it as the laws in china are very different then the rest of the world. The only people that can make a case is you guys as these devices are not really sold in most places in the world. Speak with your money. Its that simple. Do your research before buying a device. Make sure the OEM has a good track record for posting proper kernel source code. If they dont then dont buy from them.

Had the Dev followed our rules then he would not have been banned. All he had to do was keep his source up to date and complete. Simple.

As for your comment about doing it without the GPL. No you wont. Had there not been a GPL then there would be no booting kernel for devices like these. No chinese knock off devices. The only people that would have working hardware would be the people that pay for it. I really dont think you have the slightest idea of what is truly involved with everything.

Now I have even gone out of my way and contacted Micromax myself requesting the source code for you guys but in the end the Laws or lack there of in that part of the world allows it to continue.
[Micromax A110] khan_frd2002:
OK Sir Mod....What Really Important Source Or Commits

We Have The Source...Then why Closed The Thread Because Of Less Commits
[Micromax A110] zelendel:
Please read up on the GPL and you will understand better.

If he posted an unedited kernel then the stock source would have been fine.

But all changes to the kernel have to up to date. All sources have to be complete and up to date.

Anyone should be able to build for a devs source code and get the same exact kernel that is posted.

if he posts a kernel and his sources are not up to date to the kernel posted then is breaks the rules and gpl laws.

That is why.

This was talked in great lengths here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2267088
[Micromax A110] khan_frd2002:
But this much better than OEM broken Source....

Any Dev can Build From This...