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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] omid1234:
Band 4

I enabled Band 4 LTE about 5 months ago, On my way to work I pass Birmingham, AL (has band 4 LTE)

If i manually swithch it to band 4 i am able to use the data @ about 65mbps, but my phone will not automatically switch into Band 4 LTE

is it possible to have it automatically switch to band 4 when it sees it, but still keep connectvity to 3g( for voice calls)??

if i leave it in band 4 LTE preferred and travel through the next city it loses connectivity... im on 4.3 n900vvrubmI9.

Thank you!:laugh:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] DaPoets:
Perhaps airplane mode off and on really quick?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] manatti:
So I'm on nc2 deodex with nc4 modem I notice my phone works better when I turn band 4 off because it's not available in my area but when I reboot it goes back to enabled. Anyone know how to make it stick?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] darthvader88:
Please help. What app can I use with Verizon wireless note 3 rooted. PM me if you like
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alamn8r:
These speeds are unreal...

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] manatti:
Can anyone help me with what the stock settings are in the service ode menu for

LTE band is it automatic?

Then for LTE settings is it CDMA LTE or is it wcdma /hdr/lte/

And band for LTE is it set to all?

I've been Google ing and nothing found. If someone can check theirs that would be great, thanks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] donc113:
Just so you all know. As a general statement, Band 4 requires more power because its frequency is not nearly as good inside a building. Thus more power needed to hit the tower.

Obviously...there are situations where it uses less power. ..such as when you are outdoors and near the tower. The full rollout of the aws (band 4) will take a while, just as full rollout of LTE took a while
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oockla:
Where is that at?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alamn8r:
Charlotte North Carolina

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BIGSIKE3:
So I'm running Beans NC2 I'm able to change with Efs folder to ON but when I try to dial any of the numbers it just says welcome to Verzion wireless and your update could not be completed. Not sure what I'm doing wrong to get this enabled, any help?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bd177:
I had the same problem. I flashed the NC4 Jasmine rom and dial codes work for me again.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BIGSIKE3:
I actually just found out the problem I was using a third party dialer and not the stock and that let me in to the Service mode. I appear to have Band 4 activated and am in a city that has it but not really seeing a difference so Hmmm.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bd177:
I actually was using the stock dialer with Beans and the codes wouldn't work for me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BIGSIKE3:
You're on the Verizon variant right? I was waiting for Safestrap to be updated in order to flash to the rom slots. But I haven't checked in a long time.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bd177:
Yup
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BIGSIKE3:
So you just flashed over the Stock rom slot with a new rom and are all good? if so that's what I'll do.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bd177:
I did a full wipe etc. , then flashed to the stock slot. Look in the Jasmine thread for exact install instructions.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BIGSIKE3:
Awesome will do thanks for the help.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Dwcbionic:
Phoenix at 7th St. and Indian School I had Band 4. Download bleh at about 13, but upload was through the roof, like pinned at 69. I didn't take a screenie, sorry. Will do later for the Phoenix crew.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Stick_man09:
Ok, I've read this thread front to back and I hope I didn't miss something. I am on Beans rom NC2, rooted 4.4.2. I was able to follow the instructions in the OP and access the service menu. I live near Cedar Rapids IA which is one of the cities listed as having xlte. In the service menu I can clearly see that my phone connects to band 13 by default. I get decent enough speeds (approx 16 mbps down) on 13. I forced band 4 and my speed doubled but I had no ability to make calls. Is there a way yet to have band 4 and still make calls? I saw a few previous posts that alluded to the same problem. Just wondering if I am missing something or if it's just a feature that hasn't been truly rolled out yet by VZW. Thanks in advance for any advice.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] awnry:
Stick - where are you at? I've got the Note 3 with rooted 4.3 stock and forced mine to band 4 but didn't get anything.

I'm located on the NW side of town by Ellis boat houses.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Stick_man09:
I'm up in Marion north of Boyson rd. You're even closer to town than me so you should be better off. I wonder if the modem has anything to do with it. I just did beans KK upgrade for NC2 the day my phone tried to OTA. I didn't flash the NC 4 modem like some did. I've been on the fence about it because I've heard conflicting reports on it. I wish I could get this figured out. My speed was great on band 4 but couldn't make calls. Had to put it back in automatic.

Update 6/8... was closer to town near Cedar Rapids IA in line at a restaurant and decided to check while I waited. My phone had auto acquired band 4 and my speeds were through the roof. When I got home I was back on 13. I guess I'll have to wait for it to become more widespread in our area.

Sent from my rooted Note3 VZW Beans rom KK NC2 deodex 4.4.2, Safestrap 3.72
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] robroy90:
Utility to show the band you are on?

Is anyone aware of a utility that would place info on your connection up in the status bar, for example if you were on Band 4 at that moment?

Thanks!

-Rob
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bd177:
+1 :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] christianpeso:
Sounds like a nice mod for Xposed Module. I would try posting this request over in the Xposed forums.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] anewday:
I like this idea.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ornwilson:
I'm in Seattle on Band 4 20MHz, with good signal, and I have pretty dismal speeds (for band 4). I've gotten 40up/30 down on my Note2 just a couple miles away from here.

So much for super fast data :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Best I have done so far in Fort Wayne is 49mb down and 17mb up. Sadly the Tower by my house has not been updated and I only get 2-6mb if I am lucky. I use to get 15-20mb down at my house.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
How is RSRP -105dBm and SNR of 8.4dB a "good signal"? Those are pretty bad values. At this point your device isn't even using 2 codewords, etc.

Good signal is RSRP of around -80dBm and SNR value of >20dB.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ihavenewnike:
*#0011# isn't working on Jasmine ROM
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] blindside2171:
I found a Band 4 spot here in Bartow, FL and average 40 down... on an early morning I hit 65 down once.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Are you on a TouchWiz based ROM? I posted the shortcuts to those apps that should get you there if the dialer codes aren't working.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NeoMagus:
I am on stock MJ7 rooted. The apps you linked do not work. The paid one does not support Note 3 , the free one installs but when you hit service mode says not supported.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] changt34x:
Sounds great! I actually had to step out of the building I was in to take the speed test, it was barely hanging on to signal inside. Also remembered to switch it back too, as the signal is gone as soon as I am 5 feet into the building.

9:30PM seems like off-peak hours to me, but tomorrow I am going to walk around to the towers I know in this area to try to identify which one is giving me AWS at this location and do a speed test when I find it. IIRC right now the iPhone 5S is the only handset to automatically get B4 without going into service menu or rooting to enable service menu (things that most people wouldn't do) so I think when I find it the speed test should be impressive even during the day. Nevertheless even with such poor signal I am very impressed with almost 15mb down, now if they could just fix the poor signal problem...

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You need to have root and then go with a root explorer to /efs/carrier/HiddenMenu. Use a text editor to change it from OFF to ON and save. Reboot and the *#0011# to check your current network and *#27663368378# to change settings both work, so far I have found the other codes from other VZW Touchwiz devices like the S4 not to work.

Be careful to observe where all asterisks are in the menu. It is often not clear whether clicking on an option changes a setting or goes to a different menu, and you want to remember what settings were default before you can't connect back to the network because some setting was changed.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NeoMagus:
Thats what did it , kudos kind sir :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Yeah, their strategy is really to have B13 everywhere, including indoor, and B4 outdoors for capacity since it doesn't propagate as well. They assume WiFi is abundant in an indoor environment, etc... In 2014 they'll densify their cell grid with B4, so the signal should be much more available.

Also, if you're AWS hunting, pay attention to the light poles in the busy areas as they're also deploying small DAS antennas for capacity, and not necessarily on the towers. Looks like this in NYC:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] carlz28:
I get to the last screen but no option to enable/force the Band 4
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Check *#0011# and see if you're connected to Band 4. Which market are you in?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] carlz28:
I guess I'm only in band 13. Im not in any of the major city areas. Would it be safe to assume you MUST be in those areas to be able to set/see this option?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Heh that's hard to tell because Lexington, KY and suburbs of Atlanta have AWS for instance. Generally speaking yes, they are prioritizing highly congested cities.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] carlz28:
I live in a metro-ish area. Not huge though. Maybe population of 150k in a 15 mile radius. I was just curious and wanted to tinker a bit. Pretty sure the AWS isn't 'online' in this area though. So if the phone actually needs to detect that band 4 in order to see the settings, let alone change them, it would make sense then that I couldn't do it because its unavailable here.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] lisek99:
I'm from East Rutherford NJ which is not too far from NYC but I guess Verizon doesn't have band 4 here yet. I'm on a stock MJ7 ROM and I tried everything and nothing sticks.

I even went into UE SETTINGS & INFO --> SETTINGS -->PROTOCOL --> NAS --> NETWORK CONTROL --> BAND SELECTION --> LTE Band Preference --> LTE B4

To force band 4 but nothing will work
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Test it once you're in Manhattan, AWS is available all over the city. You won't be able to see if anything sticks unless the signal is actually available in your area. But you could search while at different part of town.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Great post. I have B4 enabled on my device. Will do some surveying to see If I can find a B4 spot here in Houston.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
This is from the suburbs of Atlanta although, the guy was using an iPhone. Hiram, GA
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] neopolotin75:
I tried googling it but couldn't find anything....do we know exactly what Verizon is calling a major market and the time frames for it? I read they expected their congested major markets to have this within a few months but what are the markets?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] njfoses:
Im traveling to Chicago for business this week, i'll try to post a speedtest or two.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
These are the top CMA according to FCC http://transition.fcc.gov/oet/info/maps/areas/names/cmanames.txt

There is no ETA on this from Verizon, their goal is to deploy AWS to ~5,000 sites by the end of 2013, which includes small DAS antennas as well as regular cell towers.

In 2014 they will go all out and densify AWS to a lot more areas.

Currently it's all crowd sourced, they never officially announced the markets. They just acknowledged that AWS sites are live in NYC, LA and Chicago.

Users have been reporting AWS in Atlanta, Detroit, San Francisco, OKC, KY, Philly, DC, pretty much all the major markets. It's just in limited availability, so expect it first in the busy downtown areas.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] miini:
I'm in Seattle. Looks like I have 4 BAND?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Yes congrats! You guys also have 20Mhz FDD LTE which means you should be able to see peak speeds of 150Mbps!!! Upload should peak at ~50Mbps! Verizon is using A+B AWS spectrum blocks, just like in NYC. Did you have to force Band 4 or it auto connected?

Congrats again!!! :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] miini:
Yes I had to force band 4 to got it work. Yay!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] blindside2171:
Proof
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ihavenewnike:
I hit 100 Mbps down on band 4 at 15 mhz
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bd177:
i just checked my service mode and it seems that i'm at band 4 but only at 10mhz. did you do anything to get 15mhz?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] anewday:
Where is this?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] chrootz:
I'm in Waco, Texas....... I saw 15 mhz on band 4 LTE. I'm not hitting 100 Mbps but just 63 Mbps max and avg 45-48 Mbps.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Badabing6:
Not sure what I'm doing wrong. I enabled B4 my city is listed as a xlte city, coming from a note 3 rooted alliance rom. All I am getting is B13. Is there a step I am missing or could it be only certain parts of the city have it.

Thanks

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ihavenewnike:
No. Nothing needs to be done on your part. They just need to flip the switch on your local tower. They did mine like 5 days ago.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Badabing6:
Finally found Band 4 in my city, the only thing is that it's very sporadic comes and goes throughout the city. But otherwise the speeds are amazing fast.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ovelayer:
oops posted in wrong spot sorry =(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jasonh128:
i like those speeds :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ihavenewnike:
Lol. Literally right near where I live. Less than 50 yards from me.

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Nice. I only wish you lived near the 100 mbps. It is awesome. Tether to my pic and blaze on the internet. YouTube no problem. Downloaded a 20 GB game in 15 minutes I believe while also watching live streams on twitch
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] RomsWell:
Is anyone having trouble disabling band 4 on nc4 firmware/radio? It saves until you try to reboot to apply changes. Ill try rolling back radios to see if I can change it when I get home. But im wondering if anyone has messed with the issue yet. I only want to disable it when im in certain buildings.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xdadevnube:
MI9 and MJ7 work to disable properly.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Make sure your chose "Automatic" in network selection when you're done testing, otherwise you will only get data and no voice. When LTE Only is forced, it's data only.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] changt34x:
I walked around today but was not able to find a location with good enough signal to break 20mbps (pretty much where I topped at). Where I am in Philly most communications are on top of buildings and since they are fairly tall and very close to each other, it is very difficult for the signal to get to street level. Right now I am pretty sure that Band 4 is coming from the tower on HUP. I didn't see any DAS or small cells, and my signal strength correlates with being broadcasted from that general location. Tomorrow I will be able to get into upper floors of buildings (closed today) where I can get a much better line of sight to the tower so I will test then.

Milan, does your 5S automatically connect to B4 over B13? It would be great if the Note 3 would do so in areas with strong enough signal but I'm not holding my breath for it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Where are you guys finding automatic? I looked and only have global, lte/cdma, and gsm/umts as choices

Sent from my Verizon Galaxy Note 3 Developer Edition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] changt34x:
We are in service menu *#27663368378#, not the mobile networks menu in settings.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
How do i get to that setting then?

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Ah that's very interesting. I'm assuming you're in the downtown Philly, and this isn't really available outside of the busy areas.

Yeah, 5S automatically connects to B4 in NYC, but on an iOS devices you can't really force anything. The phone seems to prefer B4 outdoors where Verizon has small power/high quality cells all over the city. As I'm walking indoors, the signal automatically falls back to B13. But with B4 outside, the speeds are well north of 30Mbps like they used to be. On B13 data is crawling.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Check changt34x's earlier posts in this thread. He explains everything.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
You're currently on B13, but Atlanta is definitely one of the live markets with Band 4, capable of 150Mbps.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Yeah ill check it once im out and about and see

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I looked and it doesnt say how to choose automatic network just how to enable band 4 which i already did

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] changt34x:
I am assuming you have already enabled B4. To force B4 go to UE setting -> settings -> protocol -> NAS -> network control -> band selection -> LTE preference -> B4. To switch back to automatic do the same thing but choose automatic instead of LTE Band Preference.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Thanks i just had found it haha

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] siciliano777:
So I'm about 2 hours north of Philly...any chance I'd receive the band 4 signal? How close do you have to be?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Usually within the city

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] njfoses:
So you have to both enable B4 and then also force B4 to connect if you are in an aws area?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
If your device came with Band 4 disabled, you should definitely enable it for future compatibility.

Forcing Band 4 should be temporary as your modem is forced to Data Only operation. You're effectively disabling 1x Voice that way, so make sure you revert it back to Automatic when done testing.

The way Verizon's LTE network is setup, if your device has Band 4 enabled it should prefer Band 4 in the outdoor environment where Band 4 signal quality is on par so you won't need to force anything. Currently Band 4 isn't as widespread, so forcing it makes it much easier to figure out which locations and which particular cell sites have it active. Not to mention that currently there isn't almost any load on Band 4, so you should expect download speeds north of 100Mbps!

Assuming Verizon has provisioned their cell sites with enough backhaul service...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] akellar:
Do these settings persist rom updates and/or wiping?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Probably not. They're system settings. When you wipe the system it wipes anything you changed.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ssmaster:
Do you mean LTE ALL instead of LET AUTOMATIC???
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Definitely Automatic.

LTE All will still stay in Data Only mode, but will connect to both Band 13 and Band 4. Automatic activates CDMA portion of the radio need for voice.

Also everyone should keep in mind that ultimately Verizon dictates which band you're gonna be connected to, based on your device capability, but more importantly network load. Once Band 4 becomes widespread, this will be automatic.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ssmaster:
Where is LTE Automatic? The menu where you select LTE 4 does not also say LTE AUTOMATIC.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Of course not, you have to hit menu button on your phone, then back in the soft menu.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ssmaster:
I went back one screen to the previous screen, selected automatic at the top, and now It seems to be back to normal, but I did see an asterisk next to automatic. Does that signify it is different than the stock setting?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
The phone is about to explode! Watch out!! :D

j/k It's normal, that's how you know what's selected.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ssmaster:
Thanks for the response. I'm excited to see If I can connect to BAND 4 tomorrow on my way to work. I walk from the World Trade Center down to Wall Street, so I'm going to see if it's available in Lower Manhattan.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Definitely should. In NYC Verizon is running the maximum possible LTE channel width (20Mhz) on Band 4, capable of 150Mbps peak speeds. I have not seen higher than ~80Mbps in NYC, but I've been using GS4 and iP5s and those two devices can't go higher than 100Mbps. Note 3 can! :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] njfoses:
So I guess the note 3 needing an update to connect to AWS was a bunch of bull if you just need to toggle a setting.

Sent from my vzw note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Pretty much. It's a travesty disabling Band 4 access on a fully capable device that can actually hit 150Mbps their sites offer... But we are lucky to have Samsung's built in ServiceMode.apk. LG G2 users may not be as lucky as the Engineering Mode on that device doesn't allow you to do much.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ssmaster:
So now that I enabled BAND 4, do you think I need to force it to BAND 4 only to get those speeds on my walk of Downtown NYC tomorrow?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Most likely not. You should auto connect in most places in Manhattan. But if not feel free to force it.

Also, Dial *#0011# and monitor which band you're connected to. Should say Band 4 at the top. Then test lot's of speeds and post screenshots :D
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] lisek99:
I'm gonna be in Manhattan on Tuesday so I will try to do some speed tests if I don't forget haha
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] js0uth:
awesome thread.

will give this a shot.

in los angeles, ca.

UPDATE: and that was with only 3 bars! i usually have full bars at home on band 13.

thanks again!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] docnok63:
This is a great thread. I've enabled B4 and will be testing in Memphis tomorrow. I also did some reading up on my own:

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=99&p=1495

http://www.verizonwireless.com/news/article/2013/07/future-of-4G-LTE-nicola-palmer.html
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] erasable:
Band 4 is up and running near times square. Pulled 78 down and 26 up.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ssmaster:
This is walking on my way to work from WTC to Wall Street. What is the best server to use in Manhattan? I always use optimum online. Figures AWS is almost useless at my desk at work... BTW I used a whole gigabyte of data testing this for about 10 minutes lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] milan03:
Yeah NYC is lit up. But for some reason I can't break 80Mbps down... Should go well above 100mbps