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[Nook HD, HD+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dvd03cr:
I got the nook hd+ 16 GB and I installed CM 10.1 but I get many ramdon reboots and I wanna know why is there are any tool or an option in CM that keeps a log that can give a clue what could be wrong?

Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] cpufrost:
Have both and both made in China.

Commuter inner piece and shell don't quite fit as flat as I would like.

Defender is the slimmest Defender yet, but as always have to remove the "screen protector". Not that it degrades image quality so much (it was actually tolerable!) but my fingers don't glide as nice as the glass surface. I play bowling games (don't ask LOL) and find I cannot quite get the spin with the provided protector so I popped it out. Even with it removed the inner plastic pieces fit quite snug on the phone and there is little wiggle room unlike the Note II version.

One other thing I notice is the slant on the bottom of the top cutout for the ear speaker and front facing cameras. It looks a bit weird, I guess it's done so not to cause any flaring on the front facing camera.

The holster looks pretty solid as well. It's pricey at $60 but that's expected on a new device, always. I picked up mine at a corporate Sprint store.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] droidfreak02:
I'm trying to watch movies from my phone on my smart TV but I can't find were they put the search nearby devices
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] DigitalMD:
The Samsung connect or all share does not work with third party ROMs like CM. Only with Samsung ROMs
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dougla13:
hey, is there any way to install android os on an ipod touch 4g?

is it something somebody is working on?

thanks.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] knite75:
Hello,

I'm getting used to holding down the home button to switch between current running apps.

The duration to trigger the home button recent apps is longer than I like.

Is there an app/mod/xposed to increase the response time of the home button.

I'm rooted. However, I"m not looking for a whole new ROM to achieve this.

Thank you!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Randyc2800:
This issue goes all the way back to the SIII. It has to do with S-Voice. If you don't use S-Voice, just turn it off in the settings and the lag will be gone. Personally, I use Dragon to replace S-Voice, and it does not have the lag. Hope this helps.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Google does subsidize the Nexus line. There was an argument a few weeks back about if google subsidizes it's nexus here it is

"We already recognize that the company is likely subsidizing their own pricing on the Nexus 5 at $349 while the carriers are selling it off contract for $100 more. "

http://9to5google.com/2013/11/15/ed...-is-to-out-nokia-nokia-and-its-going-to-work/
[Nexus 5 General] jimmyjoebob:
I'm sure Google make money from each device sold.

Cell companies make money, they make high MSRP, so make even more money. It is what they do.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Did you read the article? Google is not trying to make money from the hardware in nexus or Motorola it's about the software and ad sales and search engine proliferation
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
That's not proof of anything. It's one guy's opinion that Google is "likely" subsidizing them.

How much do you think it costs to build a smartphone? You're looking at maybe $200-$250 for material costs and then a bit for marketing. When Apple (for example) sells someone a 64gb iPhone for $849, there's roughly $600 of pure profit worked into that price. The only difference with the N5 is that Google is selling the phones basically at cost rather than artificially inflating a $200 bill of materials with a bunch of profit. There's no "subsidizing" going on.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
In other words you just proved me correct. If a phone costs 250 to build the other costs would be more than 100 dollars and therefore the point is not to make a profit on nexus and now Motorola's hardware ( which neither have ever brought a profit) it is to proliferate google services and Ad revenue. All the while giving the consumer the affordability in cheaper phones while increasing their reach with their services.
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
That's pure speculation on your part unless you've actually seen Google's financial data. I really don't think that marketing costs for the N5 add up to more than 100 bucks per phone. What other costs are you taking into consideration?
[Nexus 5 General] TiltedAz:
I agree, it's just an opinion.

However, Google's Motorola phone effort is more likely trying to kill the competition (Apple, Samsung, etc) by lowering prices while maintaining state of the art performance. Samsung sees the writing on the wall and is trying to establish an OS, app and tune market, etc.
[Nexus 5 General] samagon:
If the components cost x and the phone sells for y, there is a huge missing piece, a few actually. Development costs, qa, regulations, etc.

In the case of android, and especially the nexus line software development is nill. the Dev was going to happen regardless the nexus. Drivers, and things like that of course aren't free, so there is that software and hardware integration.

Anyway, until someone posts the bom for the phone parts it's hard to even guess, even then it is a guess cause no one is going to release the Dev costs.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
First off it's not speculation. We're working on your numbers 250 for the cost of production for a phone. Being sold at 350 that's 100 dollars. That hundred dollars doesn't cover the advertising, the web presence on the sites, shipping and handling in the sales process, supprt teams for customer service, etc etc there are many costs incurred that the average person doesn't realize. Let's not forget the R&D to make the phone even if it is based off another there was still R&D. In the end it averages out to much more than 100 dollars. Ps it's pretty well known that nexus devices have not made google money and once again it's about the services not the hardware. Example why does iOS have every google app available to expand its reach and increase profitability. If it really wanted android hardware to be the main focus google apps would be android only
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Totally on the right track :good:
[Nexus 5 General] Manbot27:
Are you really using an opinion based article as concrete proof of a company's business plan?
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Although actual figures will not be released educated guesses will obviously bring to realization that 50-100 in profit per phone is not viable
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
One I'm not using it as proof per se but it is a logical conclusion. I mean have none of you taken business courses in school and or own a business? I did and still own a business. If mine or any other business ran on the supposed razor thin margins that these phones bring to google they would be closed. It's obvious that the focus is on the means that the phones provide google not the phone it' self
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Its basically the same principle as giving android away for free Google makes its money off of the services that are within android and its ads.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
This article means nothing. The phone isn't sold at a loss or even to break even. Now that's my opinion which holds as much stock as this guys opinion

>^.^< Sent from meow nexus5
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Your opinion is illogical and doesn't make sense. Just because you believe something to be true doesn't make it so. Also just because Google sells the phone at a loss does not make the phone any less stellar nor does i t make Google inferior. Quite the contrary it makes them quite intelligent because the risk reward is heavily in their favor. Loss of a few million to make a few billion is always smart

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] Manbot27:
Have you taken any introductory writing courses in school? If you did you would know you can't cite opinion based articles as fact.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
When did I ever say it was fact? No where did I state it was fact. I stated and a few have concurred that it is an educated guess by looking at the numbers. So please unless you have something to contribute don't put words into my mouth

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
I'm well aware of Google's intent with the Nexus program and the fact that they don't make any money off it. My point is that you couldn't possibly know Google's costs associated with building and selling the phone, so everything you're saying is speculation.

I don't have any hard data either, so I could very well be proven wrong. I'm just saying that the article in the OP doesn't prove anything.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
No proof positive no. It does lend credence to those whom are like minded and realize that the nexus program and now Motorola are about two things the proliferation of Google services and lowering costs of the competitions phones. All the while operation at a loss for these programs to further the growth in its real mainstay and money making programs search ads etc. I started this thread because some people do not want to see or admit the obvious and for some reason think that it is heresy to even suggest these things

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] meatlocker:
BURN THE WITCH!!!
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Lol :D

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
>^.^< Sent from meow nexus5
[Nexus 5 General] cannondale0815:
OP, please change the title of this thread. It entirely non-descriptive as to what topic is discussed here.
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
Pot, meet kettle.
[Nexus 5 General] ogboot:
I work in the technology industry and many components & consumer devices are sold in large volume with low margin.
[Nexus 5 General] gee2012:
Wow, it only took you 5 years to figure this out :victory:
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
It didn't take me 5 years I have known all along it is some people as apparent in this thread that still do not see it
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
You are comparing apples to oranges. You can not compare a nexus phone to a carrier phone
[Nexus 5 General] crzycrkr:
Your logic is not welcome here sir, lol
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/08/google-nexus-5-play-store-undercuts-wholesale

http://www.geek.com/news/google-selling-nexus-7-at-a-loss-not-cost-1501909/

http://www.androidauthority.com/google-subsidizing-nexus-5-t-mobile-315390/

and these are just a few
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
its not logic when he is comparing a different pricing structure to that of the Nexus line it doesn't make sense
[Nexus 5 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Hahaha why do you care so much about this. You aren't Gonna convince anyone of anything if they don't wanna believe it. Just a tip don't go full retard on teh Internets.

>^.^< Sent from meow nexus5
[Nexus 5 General] hello00:
obviously he works for samsung..he is trying to find out google's marketing strategies
[Nexus 5 General] crzycrkr:
Fine, so ignore that part of the post if that's what you believe and read all the rest. Far more well thought out argument than your "Google subsidizes their phones, no, wait, they sell them at cost according to these numbers made up in my head" argument.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
please after the whole knox situation I will never own another samsung
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
I don't reallly care that much I just enjoy spirited debate :D
[Nexus 5 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Well we agree there :p

>^.^< Sent from meow nexus5
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
It makes the forum so much more lively!
[Nexus 5 General] shadowcore:
economy class 101

moral lesson 1: businnesses do not have feelings.They are there to make profit.
[Nexus 5 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Lol :p:p:p

>^.^< Sent from meow nexus5
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
Totally agree with you on that.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
only Motorola , Nexus for me
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
:p:D:cool::silly:
[Nexus 5 General] BarryH_GEG:
R&D, tooling, production facilities, production costs, QC discards, distribution, documentation, after sale support, returns & exchanges, sales costs, and marketing costs aren't trivial. Some are less for Google because of their direct sales model but they can add up to an additional 1/3 to 1/2 of the BOM costs often thrown around on XDA. Google's breaking even or turning a small profit at best on the Nexus line.
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
Yes, and I'm not trying to argue that Google is making a profit on these things. The OP is stating that Google is actively subsidizing them (meaning that they're being sold BELOW cost), which seems like a stretch to me even taking other costs besides the BOM into consideration.
[Nexus 5 General] BarryH_GEG:
Foregoing profit and driving down your average margin could be seen as a form of subsidization. Few companies could do what Google's doing with Nexus pricing. The others I can think of are Amazon with the Kindle and Sony/MS with gaming consoles. In those scenarios profit is made up on the back-end. You could say the same thing with Play but there are a hell of a lot of non-Google content options on Android.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
my point exactly Thank you sir! just because Google is not paying the difference , selling the devices at a loss or at best a minimal profit is in turn the same thing as subsidization
[Nexus 5 General] QWIKSTRIKE:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/11/15/is-google-paving-the-way-for-decent-cheaper-smartphones/

"Read it there or read it here ok! see below quote and read the link! I could post more but why, either you research and make a factual post or make stupid opinionated emotional post based on unsubstanciated propaganda!

You wouldn't think they would be that expensive. You keep hearing that they're just like computers in your pocket, but they're so much smaller than computers. Why do they cost so much? Supply and demand. People want them, so it's easy for manufacturers to jack up the price. A 16GB Apple iPhone 5s costs Apple $213 in materials to make, but the retail price of the phone without a subsidized 2-year contract will run you $649"

Retsail mark up vs production cost are different. IF the iPhone5s a premium device cost 213.00 the rest are lower in production cost or at leat equal! Do you think the Carriers are going to tell people thay are raking you over the coals with that subsidy bull crap. Ignorance begets ignorance. I have made million dollar sales, and mothing is subsidized or free. The cost is just built into a time phrased contract that makes cost more paletable to the end user. This is doen by hyper inflating price of the final sale and dividing it into palatable cost to the end user.

A $215.00 iPhone is retail price suggested for $700.00 carriers then put the $199.00-$350.00 upfront cost and is monetized in a monthly service contract. You people are just too damn slow to recognize the art of sales! They make you think you are getting a break on a 700.00 device and then sign you up for an absurd contract thats designed to nickle and dime your pockts bare for the primary investor/hedge funds. Do your researc then come back rather than to post propagana spin reports by the same people that are robbing you....the carriers!rofl
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
your point?
[Nexus 5 General] QWIKSTRIKE:
The only people that retool are the OEM partners buddy. Learn how this work. The iPhone does not cost more than $250.00 to make and from my research posted here it's really $215.00. The only thing Google does is make software. Foxconn, Samsung, and HTC all retool for new devices, and to sell them like they do is profitable. Take the emotional propaganda you have learned and do your factual home work about prodcution cost not from the carriers because they will never tell you that they are rking you over the coals!
[Nexus 5 General] BarryH_GEG:
If the BOM costs for an iPhone are $215 the all-in cost to Apple taking in to account the associated expenses listed above is about $300-350. And Apple sells their products retail so the MSRP is the MSRP and people are paying it. The carriers are probably paying Apple about 30% less than MSRP (look at Apple's margins in a quarterly report) which means a $649 16GB iPhone 5s costs a carrier about $450. No profitable company (EG: Samsung, Apple) sells their products at anywhere near BOM cost. At least not for long.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
your posts make no sense I'm not emotional I'm putting numbers that are obvious and logical so have a few other posters above. This has nothing to do with carriers so your posts mean nothing as they do not relate to google's nexus program
[Nexus 5 General] QWIKSTRIKE:
Of course it does you are just too set in your own thoughts to see the relevancy! I say this repsectfully too ok, not as a put down or slur!

It has everything to do with carriers. Where are most phones sold for activation "Carriers". For you or any one thinking that Google is losing money your wrong. The cost that Apple sells to the carrier as on posted stated validates that the carriers are relevant. To mention things about running business and basing things based loosely on that is interesting because making 65% gross profit margin is a lot of money in business, and you and anyone in business should know this!

The relevancy is that there are no losses on phone "subsidies", especailly with ETFS. ETF's has been raised because of the higher phone cost to carriers but everything is placed into a 2 year comtract through the carrier, and that's how they monitize the cost. Over a 2 year period they are raking you over coals witha $200.00-$300 cost and then a contract to monetize the remainder! The links below show that what I am saying is true, as well as aboe links.

To try and figure out what a good phone costs, we the most popular phone in the world: Apple’s iPhone 5. If we can determine how an iPhone actually costs, we’ll be well on our way. Unfortunately, the deeper we dig into the price of Apple’s popular phone, the more we realized just how much money Apple is making off every device it sells.

See below wholse sale retail markup quote an source.

Wholesale to retail markup: $68.90

The iPhone 5 16GB retails for $649.99. This is what it costs at an Apple store and what you’ll pay for it if you don’t sign up for a two-year wireless contract with your carrier. But this cost includes a retail markup. It’s difficult determine the exact markup but Apple’s balance sheet indicates it makes an average of $581.09 per iPhone. If we assume this is true, that gives it a retail markup of $68.90. Remember $581.09. We will use it again when calculating the profit Apple makes off of each phone.

Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-cost-what-apple-is-paying/#ixzz2kpY5sQtS

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http://www.techradar.com/us/news/ph...y-s4-costs-more-to-make-than-iphone-5-1150271

According to research firm IHS, the 32GB version of the Galaxy S4 sets Samsung back $237 (around £152 / AU$232) per unit, while the 16GB iPhone 5 with its premium metal and glass chassis costs Apple $205 (around £132 / AU$200).

---------- Post added at 12:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:23 PM ----------

Again no facutal post, read my above link to dispell any emotional gestimated opinion you have made. Why post opinionated thoughts as if they are facts. Check my links on cost and BOM then counter with factual data from places other than carrier propaganda, or opinonated propaganda.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
No it doesnt it has to do with google and their structure for selling phones. Their structure is in no way the same as carriers. Your posts are speaking of one thing while this post is about Nexus and how or if Google sells at a subsidized rate
[Nexus 5 General] QWIKSTRIKE:
No I added the carrier scenario as well because people are saying that google is selling at a subsidized loss, and then I added no one is selling at a loss and certainly not the carriers as smoe have posted. Go re-read my whole post!

The cost of that Nexus 5 as I posted wont be more than $250.00 in my original post. I then went on to challenge you and your "opinionated" emotional reply based on your own personal business. If Google has a cost of $250.00 at most and sells for $350.00 they are not losing money nor is there a subsidy.....period. You just can't see that or don't want to eat your own words. Howeve; you now try to counter my facts with a spin that I am off topic.

So I will say what I said in my oroginal post a $200-$250.00 cost and a $350.00 sale is a huge gross profit margin. I dare you as a "business" owner to say that I am wrong! Google isn't selling phones they are marketing services through said phones, and any revenue from those phones are just gravy to the billions that the OS "Android" makes each quarter.

You just need to wake up, and if you can't admit that a 65% gross profit is a great profit to make in business and pull a quote form anyone that says contrary you haven't got a clue! What do you sell coffeee cakes!lol "joke" ok

I have negotiated million dollar contracts and can tell you when something is a commodity the price will be tight. The demand for these phones cause the extreme salles cost and carrier F/U clauses that make the carrier relevant....period!
[Nexus 5 General] funky_snowman:
Dumb thread is dumb.
[Nexus 5 General] QWIKSTRIKE:
It is...I agree, and to keep it from going any further I will not anwser any more post. Believe what you want. Believe it or not I just could not believe that people that should know basic math, and possibly run a business can't see that a 200-250.00 cost and a sell of $350.00 is a 65% gross profit, and by any business standings that's a substancial profit!
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
I don't think you understand what the word "propaganda" means. Are you really trying to argue that there are no costs associated with building and selling a phone other than the BOM?

Also, your argument about "gross profit" is totally irrelevant. Gross revenue and NET profit are not even close to being the same thing.
[Nexus 5 General] alexpja:
I don't remember where I saw this but I read that T-Mobile prices the Nexus 5 at $450 because they receive it directly from LG, and so Google does indeed subsidize it.
[Nexus 5 General] BarryH_GEG:
I've overseen product management which includes cradle-to-grave profitability on the scale we're discussing for numerous companies. The numbers I'm quoting aren't exact but the percentages are based on industry standards and averages. Where's your wealth of knowledge coming from?
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
I posted the article a few pages back as well to coincide with this
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
where the sun doesn't shine? :D
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
umm maybe for those who do not understand, numbers, business or logic
[Nexus 5 General] funky_snowman:
The premise for your argument is based solely on guessing and personal conjecture. Yet you try to pretend this is somehow illuminating or informational as you pull numbers out of thin air. Again, this thread (specifically your posts) is a massive waste of time. Moving on...
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
really? The numbers came from T-mobile and the tear down of the Nexus 5 so no not out of thin air also the "speculation" is from a mix of intelligence gathered from proper sources ie T-mobile, tear down of Nexus and other sources. So I and many other in this thread have pointed out repeatedly that there is more than an educated guess going on here but some like you are neither reading peoples posts or just being confrontational for confrontations sake
[Nexus 5 General] BarryH_GEG:
Most discussions on the business side of technology on XDA usually are. ;)
[Nexus 5 General] funky_snowman:
Your arguments are weak dude. Get over it.