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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dp386:
yahoo messenger

also looking for yahoo messenger - all i have found is an old version (maybe for windows ce?) that i havent got working yet. it installs onto my xda iis but doesnt connect but that may be for other reasons - i cant get it to 'dial-up' using wifi and havent worked out how to change the settings on my connections to get it to work with usb connection.

if you get this to work let me know how(!)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikezor:
Hello Guys,

Ive tried out several different roms and finally found one that satisfied me battery wise (not easy on the S2 with JB lol:silly:).

Currently im running Slim bean unofficial by fusionjack and its running fine when on wifi, however when i turn mobile networks on and start using it the mobile networks eat more battery then the screen :confused:

Compared to the wifi battery usage (that is allmost 0) that is waaaay abnormal.

Is this normal? Could it be a radio related problem? could it be a rom related problem?

Id like to know your opions about this before messing around.

Thanks in advance,

Michael
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jsilver73:
Been running SlimSaber for a little while now and for me - no issues, I follow [MENTION=1228651]fusionjack[/MENTION]s thread and haven't noticed anyone else reporting this issue. That being said, I use dorimanx kernel so don't know about the slim kernel that comes with this rom.

Are you running latest build with maliv3 driver - (as in my signature) ??
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theunderling:
Reset fuel chip.

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maybe your an iphone expert

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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GamingDj:
Best for battery is Apolo Kernel with Stock(based) ROM JB. :) Try changing kernel and modem,as modem can influent battery,too.
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
Android OS currently has 1:34 of CPU total and 0:32 of keep awake, out of 5:00 on battery (h:mm).

Is this normal for this phone? Seems like an awful lot of both.
[Moto X Q&A] brycekerr:
I never use Wi-Fi because I have unlimited data but the last two days I tried using it exclusively to see how much it would help battery life and now I'm seeing the exact same thing you are. I'm not sure why this would make a difference but I'm going to try all LTE tomorrow and see if it reverts back. My "android os" has never previously exceeded screen as a battery drain culprit so I'm not entirely sure

Sent from my gPhone
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
Update with new info. This is after a factory reset.

Is there any way I can track down what is causing this?
[Moto X Q&A] Mtnbiker:
I had similar issues with mine. My culprit was Location services being on all the time. I turned it off for a few days and my Android OS was significantly lower.
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
Preliminary experimentation indicates that the system processes chew up CPU time with Wifi and high-accuracy location enabled, but not with Wifi disabled and high-accuracy location enabled.

I'm now testing with Wifi enabled and location disabled.
[Moto X Q&A] juancaperez2000:
Im on same page not sure why, but everything start like thanksgiving day
[Moto X Q&A] freak4dell:
Yup, I've had this for a few days now. Today, I was actually using the X a lot, so my battery lasted like 8 hours total. Usually I have no problem at all getting through the day. I'm on LTE most of the day, and it was doing fine at first like that, so I don't think that's the reason. I'll try disabling some of the apps that use the location services and see if that helps.
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
It definitely appears directly related to Wifi. With Wifi off, I don't have the problem at all, regardless of other settings such as location, Active Notifications, etc.
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
Yeah mine too. I keep WiFi on since I don't have great data speeds.
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
So what is this about? Bad WiFi driver or something?
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
I really don't know. Even though the CPU is being used a lot, standby time is okay. ~1% per hour. That's still horrible compared to my HTC One.

Something that has me kind of worried is that my N7 running 4.4 also has the same problem. It was great running 4.3 (~.3% per hour), but with 4.4 it tanked.

I hope moto/google releases the 4.4.1 update fixing all this.
[Moto X Q&A] DroidOnRoids:
I'm having the same problem too. It happened all of a sudden after Thanksgiving. Does this have anything to do with Google Services sucking the battery down?
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
google services is just location. Turn location to "device only", then that problem goes away. Make sure "Location History/Reporting" is OFF too.

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Wakelocks for anyone that is curious.
[Moto X Q&A] DroidOnRoids:
Could it be Motorola Connect? I just started using it after Thanksgiving and that's when the high Android OS usage spiked.
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
I get the problem even when location services are disabled.
[Moto X Q&A] DroidOnRoids:
Do you guys use or have Motorola Connect enabled? I turned mine off and after a few hours the Android OS usage went down a bit. I hope I'm right.
[Moto X Q&A] freak4dell:
I have never used Motorola Connect.
[Moto X Q&A] flashallthetime:
Its the same with cm10.2 & cm11 Roms , android os is always high on CPU usage, so I assume its Google apps that are the cause

Sent on my Moto X
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
Disabling Moto Connect had no effect.

Why would Google apps use tons of CPU on Wifi but not 4G?
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
I've never turned on Moto connect. I've turned off wifi scanning from the beginning too. Something is a bit off here.

If someone has a moto forums account, please post it there to see if they can help. I bet there are more people with this problem, just not saying anything.
[Moto X Q&A] flashallthetime:
Maybe I should flash a 4.4 ROM on another phone to see if its a KitKat issue or a moto thing.

Edit read this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2385843&highlight=battery

Sent on my Moto X
[Moto X Q&A] landale:
I've had this issue and after much troubleshooting it turned out to be related to specific wifi routers I was connected to. Originally I had my Moto X connected to the 5ghz band of my Asus RT-N66U and had crazy idle battery drain as can be seen in the first two screen shots when my phone was just sitting next to my bed overnight with virtually no screen on time. After checking the connections on routers at work and the crappy one built into my modem I figured out the problem was not on all wifi routers, just some. Since the one in my modem yielded no battery drain I decided to try using the 2.4ghz band, setting the router to G only and then on some suggestions I read on lowering wifi processing requirements changed the preamble from long to short and the beacon time from 100 to 200. Then I ran the test again and sure enough it was fixed. I cut power drain in half and and Android OS use dropped to normal levels. It's possible only one or two of those changes I made were needed but this is good enough for me. Either way it sounds like this is a wifi driver issue although since I have only had my Moto X using KitKat I can't say when this problem started, at least in my case playing with the wifi settings on my router fixed it.
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
Yeah, I'm not doing that. I have a fast connection, so putting it to G isn't an option. I have noticed that too actually. At work, the battery is better than at home. I thought that it was a signal issue, but since both have around 2-3 bars, I ruled that out. It must be a driver issue. This happened with the Surface when upgrading to 8.1 too. They released a patch, so hopefully moto will do the same.

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What are these wakelocks. I googled them, but didn't really get anything.

EDIT: I don't know why the pic isn't showing. Just look back a page.
[Moto X Q&A] landale:
It's very likely the changes I made to the preamble and beacon time were what fixed it however since I have a dual band router and everything else is on the 5ghz band set to N it isn't a big deal having my 2.4ghz band on G just for my Moto X. I will keep things like this until Motorola addresses the problem as G is all I need for my phone since I only use it for internet and interfacing with my other networked devices, not for file transfers. Also I just remembered I also disabled WMM as well although I believe that only applies to N anyway.
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
I would try that, but my router only allows changes to both bands at once. I can change 2.4 to G only, but nothing else. I really gotta get a router, but it's too expensive, and this one gives me ~60mbps, so that's okay.
[Moto X Q&A] tejaskary:
I have Android OS topping battery consumption too...It definitely seems WiFi related...hopefully we get a WiFi driver/ kernel patch....Btw can you guys check if kworker /u processes consume high CPU for you as well? I consistently see these processes consuming several minutes of CPU !!
[Moto X Q&A] BrokenWall:
I have noticed the past few days that my phone is not properly going to sleep, for example. If i am listening to Play Music or Pandora and driving (line-in to stereo) if i change the track and put the phone down, the screen will go off after 30 seconds, but minutes later if I press the power button, it comes right back to the app without requiring me to unlock the device.

I noticed this at work as well, I responded to a text message, about 10 minutes later I got a reply and the phone vibrated but active notifications was not blinking, I pressed the power button and the phone screen just came on, so its like the phone has been running full with screen off. I don't have any CPU control apps installed. This has happened every since 4.4, I have made sure security is set to slide to unlock, I also verified and changed the screen to go off after 30 seconds, there has been no change in behavior.
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
Okay, this is pretty much a known issue now. If we all seem to have it, Moto needs to fix it, and hopefully soon.
[Moto X Q&A] freak4dell:
Well, for me, the problem was the app Moves, which uses location services. Uninstalled it yesterday, and today the phone was much, much better in battery life. That being said, Moves never caused this much battery loss on 4.2, and Android OS, while now down to being #4 or #5 on the list, is still showing higher usage than on any other phone I've had before. Even 4.2 had an idle drain problem, so I think that, combined with whatever is causing location services to drain so much battery, was destroying the battery for me.
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
Anyone notice that it fixed itself now? I seem to be getting much better battery life today.
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
Not fixed here. 20 minutes CPU in the past 2 hours.

Only happens on wifi.

Moto X on Verizon
[Moto X Q&A] qbanlinxx:
I was in data most of the day today, and Android os used 15% with over a hour of cpu time
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
OK...by fixed I mean better :)

Its less that 1hr of CPU time today.
[Moto X Q&A] DroidOnRoids:
I'm going to try ART runtime for a while and see what happens.
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
But how much time on battery? How much time on Wifi?
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
8hrs. WiFi for 5.5hrs. Better, but not great. Unused greenify today, so I'll post again at the end of the day.
[Moto X Q&A] dpw2atox:
It makes me wonder if there is just a bug in 4.4 that's causing this issue which could be fixed along with the exchange issues in 4.4.1.
[Moto X Q&A] DroidOnRoids:
I'm not saying that ART runtime is the fix but it did lower the Android OS usage completely...
[Moto X Q&A] herzzreh:
I'm at 4 hrs 38 min screen time, android OS is 1 hr 32 min CPU and no awake time. Almost 9 he's on battery. Was having same issues, yesterday disabled WiFi network scanning, removed Chrome. Much better today. Location set to high accuracy, location reporting on, syncing Gmail.
[Moto X Q&A] diehardbattery:
I just got mine last night and updated to 4.4. After a full overnight charge this is what I'm seeing. I just recharged and set location to device only to see if that helps... I hope this gets fixed soon whatever it is.
[Moto X Q&A] diehardbattery:
I think I found my issue. I am rooted using SlapMyMoto (see thread here).

Either the SuperSU binaries updated and didn't go fully through or did not update at all (I can't remember if it initially asked to update). I ran the cleanup tool within the app, uninstalled and reinstalled. It then prompted me to update, but kept failing. Using grifforama's GSAM post as a reference I booted into recovery and appempted the update again.

This time it went through. I rebooted again and am seeing much more "normal" stats and the battery doesn't seem to be draining anymore.
[Moto X Q&A] tejaskary:
This is one of the downsides of a very fast release without some soak testing...Wonder if Nexus 5 has the same issue on Kitkat? Wish we had an ability to flash a custom kernel :(

What is a good way to get this feedback to Motorola btw?
[Moto X Q&A] beelzebu:
You can also use greenify to stop battery draining apps like facebook :)
[Moto X Q&A] diehardbattery:
I would say join the Motorola forums
[Moto X Q&A] bsinc1962:
Myself as well as others brought it up several times during the soak test.
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
There was no soak test.
[Moto X Q&A] freeintruth:
Do any of you have random shutdown problem? My moto X shuts down on me a couple of times already since the update
[Moto X Q&A] bsinc1962:
For AT&T users there was.
[Moto X Q&A] :
As happy as I am with my X's battery life.... It could be far better with this Android OS issue resolved. There is an open thread about it... And for some nothing is helping. I'm on 4.2.2 stock. Rooted, greenified, wifi off, gps off, location service off, unlinked my Motorola Id.... And still crazy Android OS stats.

I still get 24 hours with 5 hour screen time.... But think that would improve quite a bit with this Android OS behaviour under better control. I think I am going to freeze most Motorola apps... See if that helps. Then bring some back one by one to see if any of those are the culprit. I'm kinda thinking active notification or voice command always listening may be to blame. Aside from those... I've already froze everything I used to on my S2.....and it never had this issue.

If I discover anything, I'll share. ￼
[Moto X Q&A] tejaskary:
If any of you guys are rooted, try to install this app: Network Log

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.googlecode.networklog

I started logging and let the phone sit for a few minutes on Wifi....I observed that the kernel process (pid: -1) was getting a very large number of packets and source was showing up as NETBIOSN and NETBIOSD. This is probably other devices (Windows machines) on the network sending broadcast NETBIOS packets.....Google+ also sent a lot of packets, I am trying to see if I can greenify it..

Can someone confirm if they also see a large number of Netbios packets.....I saw around 2000 packets in a few mins of logging, though this was work Wifi..
[Moto X Q&A] natezire71:
You guys are silly. AndroidOS WILL take up CPU time. It is comprised of Wifi and other Android-ish things. You can't possibly expect Wifi to use zero power, can you? If you want to use less power, set your phone to only use the 5Ghz band. That should help a little. Also, have the setting "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" set to "Only when plugged in". Last thing: disable the "Scanning always available" in Wifi settings.

It's not Moto's fault--my Nexus7.2 does the same thing; same as my Galaxy Nexus.
[Moto X Q&A] :
You may know this.... But to greenify any system apps just convert it to a user app with titanium backup. ;)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
[Moto X Q&A] jonnythan:
That's super helpful. Except it's not even a little bit. Battery drain is significantly lower on 4G than on Wifi specifically because of "Android OS" constantly using ~10-15% of the CPU.
[Moto X Q&A] tejaskary:
I understand this, but we are seeing really high CPU usage values....There are around 4-5 Kworker processes that are consuming 20-25 mins CPU EACH....This is not expected....Kernel mode threads shouldn't have this high CPU usage. Unless something has changed in the usage accounting for kernel worker thread in 4.4, this definitely seems to be some issue with the kernel.
[Moto X Q&A] natezire71:
I mean, if you had wifi on non-stop for 3hours---I would expect it to be higher. Sounds about right really.
[Moto X Q&A] :
OK... I have done some severe freezing of system apps. Phone has no issues from any of it too.

I froze almost every Com.motorola app. Froze anything to do with motorola. And wifi direct, Picasso, and all the bloat there is. Froze the Motorola voice activation... Don't want that anyway personally.

About the only thing I left was active notification. But unless this feature alone is causing the high Android OS usage, it's still about 16 percent on average for Android OS.

However, I'm getting amazing battery life regardless. Barely any held awake time and deep sleep is working great.

So I'm not gonna worry any more about the Android OS usage. It's not hurting my battery life.... And this particular phone must just use it that much. I bet there is nothing that can be done about it. Must be related to our hardware.

Notice my average battery time and screen on time at the bottom of gsam screen shot. Very good.

:)

At the moment... At 57 percent after 17 + hours. .. And almost 2.5 screen on hours.

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
[Moto X Q&A] :
Don't think my screen shots worked?

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
[Moto X Q&A] danny39:
They showed up as corrupt in both posts
[Moto X Q&A] KWKSLVR:
What about Assist, Active Display, Touchless Controls? These are all things baked into the rom that we've never seen before on an Android device. Maybe always on reports CPU cycles to AndroidOS? My AndroidOS is high as well, yet I'm at the 16 hour mark with 69% left. Some of this stuff probably reports under AndroidOS. Either way, my battery life is insanely good with this thing. I mean seriously, we're all complaining with 24 hour battery life because of what some arbitrary battery usage stat says. This stuff has never been super detailed and "AndroidOS" is a loaded process.
[Moto X Q&A] :
I'll try from dolphin for the screen shots...
[Moto X Q&A] :
I froze assist and touch less control. Crap I must have froze 20 built in apps. Lol only left active notification, cause I love it.

But yes... I think it is what it is. Mine is much less Android OS usage... And battery life is awesome...... So I'm done worrying about it. Can't compare it to my S2's Android OS usage when the devices are so different. ;)
[Moto X Q&A] KWKSLVR:
Well, and I don't know about you guys, but I have touchless controls going off for almost everything. Even if it doesn't use a lot of power, it's still using time, thus putting it at the top of the list (or near the top) of battery "suckers". Personally, I don't let it bother me. Here on XDA, people always try to find issues. I really don't think this is an actual issue, merely perception.
[Moto X Q&A] :
I think my screen shots are yet another XDA site issue. Lol

Anyway the highlights....

At 48 percent left right now. 17 1/2 hours total. 3 hours and 20 minutes screen time. Android OS is only at 13 percent in app sucker screen.

My average total time in gsam is 1 day 3 hours... And average screen on time is 5 hours and 56 minutes.

So I'm happy as can be with that. :)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
The issue is my phone looses about 3% of battery an hour doing absolutely nothing. Not even syncing my gmail.

I will give it to apple for perfecting sleep mode on their phones. I briefly had a 5S and if I left it overnight with 100% I would wake up with 100%.
[Moto X Q&A] :
I've been losing about 1.4 percent an hour over night when I don't touch it. According to gsam. But I am heavily debloated.

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...

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And I can't speak for the iPhone 5...But my Moto X blows my wifes 4s battery life away. ;)

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
[Moto X Q&A] aooga:
I actually use the active notifications and Moto assist, but wasn't that the whole point of this phone? The reason this phone has the x8 is to be able to handle background processes efficiently and not drain the battery.

I guess 1.5% is okay, but even my old HTC one only lost .3-.4% an hour. That was using a custom kernel though. We need some of those.

Edit: yeah the 4s battery was horrible.
[Moto X Q&A] :
I use active notification for sure too!! But not assist and touch less control. But that's just me. Really... I don't thing any of those use too much battery anyway. But still... If I don't use something... It gets the freeze. Lol

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
[Moto X Q&A] MajorTankz:
Wi-Fi does not use this much power on any other phone. Leaving Wi-Fi on is a benefit on most phones, but not this one for whatever reason.
[Moto X Q&A] :
At the moment, with wifi on the majority of the time... I'm over 5 hours screen time with 25 percent left. You must have other issues.

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...

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And my signal has been low the whole time. Crappy reception where I live. Really bad.. Lol

Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...
[Moto X Q&A] d14gvn:
If you follow the android general development process, you can realize that in 4.4 almost the whole system in android (services, process and another things) are integrated in only one task: Android OS

In older versions, the google services and others are separated, that's because you get a lot of percent of android OS.

If you have more battery drain could be because 4.4 is not optimized as well like 4.2.2 did in Moto X, or any other app that make some wakelocks.
[Moto X Q&A] tejaskary:
Google services still show up separately... So you are saying the battery accounting for Android OS changed in 4.4? Do you have a source you can link to?
[Moto X Q&A] KWKSLVR:
I completely disagree. My MX will last 36 hours on WiFi "24//7". You have other issues going on. At the end of the day, what matters is the overall experience. Most people don't let their phones idle all day long. I don't know how an iPhone does at idle, but what I can tell you is that if I take my MX of the charger at 7am and my fiance takes her iPhone 4S off the charger at 7am, by the time mine is down to 60-70% hers is down to 20% or so.

This is easily the best battery I've ever seen in an Android device, at least with data/sync turned on. I'm particularly impressed being on Verizon. Every LTE device I've had up to this point has been a battery hog. While it doesn't look like it's as good as the GSM version, can anyone honestly complain over 3-4 hours of screen on time and 20 hours total run time? That's insane!

I mean, right now mine has been unplugged for nearly 6 hours, 30 minutes screen on, 85% battery remaining. My GNex would be down to 35-40% at this point.
[Moto X Q&A] gerodive:
Also noticing crap battery after KitKat update. Android OS is taking up monster battery, much worse than most people posting here. Here's some screenshots, and yes I've tried the obvious fixes like recalibrating the battery. Under identical usage, this thing lasted FOREVER pre update. Flatline at the end of the detailed stats was caused by switching to airplane mode BTW; that last 1% lasted me 7 hours.