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[Nexus 10 General] xdp:
Yeah, they can't follow their own guidelines. Are they abandoning this market? Despite the full-size iPad's MASSIVE popularity?

Chrome is so poor on it....loading times, refreshes, etc. I'm an Android fan and I'm struggling to understand now why I'm not just using an iPad. Seriously, can anyone list even a couple advantages we get with the N10? Anything other than widgets?
[Nexus 10 General] Matt James:
Quit harping man. If you want to use an Ipad then go buy one since no one is stopping you. The reason to use an N10 over an Ipad? You answered your own question mate....Android. The same reason you are using an Android phone and not an Iphone. Its a tablet...what do you want it to do? It does everything I want it to do just fine. I can sit my ass on the couch and browse the web, answer emails, play games, etc. all in the comfort of an OS that I know very well. It looks like my phone, runs like my phone and is cross platform with my phone. Except its bigger, nicer and faster. What are/were you expecting?

I swear just cause Kit Kat didn't bring any massive bells and whistles you all are now crying like a bunch of spoiled brats. "UGH OMG! Google didn't give us xyz features! I cant believe Google. They dropped the ball...I cant stand them anymore. Cry cry cry....how can they abandon us whine whine whine". Yes....that IS as ridiculous as some of you sound. I think you guys are expecting the tablet to turn into a car and make you coffee. Give me a break. If you get an Ipad then please, send me your N10. I would love to give my girlfriend one since she loves mine.
[Nexus 10 General] xdp:
I agree with you to a point, I've used the N10 for the past year and it's mostly done what I've needed it to. I like Android, I like widgets, I like the fact that it works like my phone. The problem is Google's actions are troubling, and their software still isn't good enough. This tablet is only a year old and already it got an OS update with most of the interesting features removed, like with Apple does with 3-year-old iPhones. What good reason is there for not getting transparent system bars, ART, or the new launcher? Or the regression in the Settings app? The only answer is Google not putting resources into it and not caring, and that's simply not good enough for a device we paid $400 for, and for a market as important as this one. You have to admit that Chrome *works* but it's still slow and choppy. Why can't this be better on the supposedly blazing fast Cortex A15 and KitKat. I just think that if you raise your expectations slightly, you will see that Google is really dropping the ball. This update indicates that this tablet is next to abandoned at this point, and after only one year, that just isn't acceptable.
[Nexus 10 General] pfmiller:
Mostly agree, though the regression of the settings was not a bug due to neglect. It was an intentional, and inexplicably bad, design decision.

Also I don't care about the missing GEL since it also seems like a step back. Starting on the left most screen is most definitely not an improvement for anyone using more than 2 screens.
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
Anybody have a link to this discussion?

Do you know, pfmiller, where we can read more about this?
[Nexus 10 General] springy:
The new KitKat update is better. The tablet is a lot more stable however I did get one random reboot.

It stills feel a bit unpolished but this is including the Nexus 4 and 5.

I think there are optimisation still available and I think this transparency can be fix.

My biggest problem with this new update is that it broke Tapped Out Simpson game. It is so slow and practically unusable. This does give me a bit of hope that some of the drivers for KitKat is not optimised and therefore there may be some tweaks to come for that, which may make transparency possible.
[Nexus 10 General] Warren_Orange:
I think we will get a small update soon because it doesn't feel as good performance wise for me personally. I have had a number of apps FC in the last week compared to only one or two apps in 6 months on 4.3.

Google needs to up their game.
[Nexus 10 General] da_flux:
Yes I've had a few Force Closes with Hangouts :( never had them on 4.3
[Nexus 10 General] 3DSammy:
If you want a custom 4.4 ROM try Tempest ( http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2487484). It has been very stable for me. It includes ART and the thread contains multiple posts on users experiences using ART with that ROM.
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
...on toward the Milky Way!

I've got 16 app-updates I'm holding off. Don't want to optimize them for 4.4 'til KitKat lands on its feet. Got 13 more apps I haven't updated in months and hope to never... all of them Google apps, 8 of which I'd delete if I could. But I like the Nexus 10.

Sure, I wish it had a slot for a memory card... and I've got a big Android wish list... but I really like my Jelly Bean Nexus 10. Especially after hard-fought battles to keep Flash, to find the right Bluetooth keyboard and to write to external HDDs.

I like blue fine but I'd be annoyed at least once a day if I had to look at a phonified settings menu. And I can't risk a foul up of the USB mic sitch I've worked out.

The notification drawer? It's OK for now as is, even though the last few days I've had 7mm less to work with. Looks like that 'system update downloaded' notice will be sitting there a while longer.

I have lost some zeal for the Nexus concept. Its offer of first access to brand new Android is a little less shiny, knowing Google lacks a champion for life in landscape at least effective enough to make sure tablet owners were warned what to expect. If ''part of the code responsible for tablet mode is just wiped,'' its hard for me to feel good about a release that seems to have been rushed to make a phone launch or to consummate the candy deal or both. Backward compatibility with old hardware is a great idea, but not if achieving it costs Google the loyalty of those who bought their current-gen tabs.

I'm still looking forward to 4.4.1 or whatever... but not like I was looking forward to 4.4. I guess I won't be standing in line for lollipops or lifesavers, either!
[Nexus 10 General] Dinsdaleson:
I read about this here: plus . google . com /107979589566958860409/posts/Zg3t6YGPUDJ
[Nexus 10 General] pfmiller:
Did you read that thread? It has nothing at all to do with the Settings menu changes.
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
that's not good...

Thanks, Dinsdaleson. Bummer.

A bit of sad news for some

Google has completely wiped out the code required for the tablet UI interface (Navigation and Status bar combination). After some internal discussions, we've decided to put this feature to rest (no more Tablet UI)... I don't see why they would bring it back... They don't answer our calls anymore :( ...

Tablet UI is the interface in which the status bar and navigation bar are combined and placed at the bottom of the screen.

Paranoid Android​
[Nexus 10 General] pfmiller:
Again, that has nothing to do with the settings menu. From your very quote:

The code for the settings menu was also removed but that is a much less complicated change, and this is not an example of anyone talking about it.
[Nexus 10 General] jbuggydroid:
If I recall correctly kit Kat was suppose to bring a slimmer os and that could be why some code has been. If I end up having the same experience on the nexus 10 when it arrives like I do with nexus 7 I'll happy
[Nexus 10 General] Blocoholi:
Impressed by the standby battery consumption. About 5% a day. On wifi and everything syncing.
[Nexus 10 General] chinmaysk:
Got the OTA yesterday and have already had two random reboots while watching videos on Chrome! :confused: Hadn't they fixed the Surfaceflinger issue in 4.3? Or did they bring it back in 4.4??:mad:
[Nexus 10 General] abdel12345:
I think it may be a different problem because for me chrome works much better on 4.4. Are you using the beta?
[Nexus 10 General] chinmaysk:
I really hope it's some different (and rather a rare) issue.. I mainly use the tab for watching videos and was very happy after 4.3. There were hardly any reboots.
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
I've not had a single reboot on 4.4 after many many hours of use. But then, I didn't really get any reboots in 4.3 either!
[Nexus 10 General] XxLordxX:
I've never faced problems with mine to watch videos on Chrome. But sometimes it lagged... So I recommend using a specific app to watch a video on the net... Chrome is not that good! And I also think that on KK it got better :).

"And We Think So Supersonic... And We Make Out Bombs Atomic." - Eagle Fly Free (Helloween)

Sent from my KitKat Nexus 10
[Nexus 10 General] AleCai:
I've experienced 2 random reboots since the update (that I've never had on 4.3) even with Chrome disabled..yesterday the back soft button stopped working for about 30 mins without a reason..maybe a factory reset could fix that, I didn't do it after the update.

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[Nexus 10 General] kiwijar:
Updated to 4.4 about 4 days ago. I've only had one random reboot since then. Things seem to be a bit faster and the image seems sharper.

Battery life seems to drop a bit quicker when using the device, but I took it off charge when I got up this morning and its still at 100% 8hrs later, only receiving a few emails and facebook messages. I haven't used it at all. This is noticeably better idle battery use than 4.3
[Nexus 10 General] oldblue910:
Just in case anyone was wondering, transparent nav bars are actually app dependent. The app you're using has to specifically request it. The legacy launcher doesn't request it. The Google Experience Launcher requests them.

This applies to all Nexus devices and GPE phones... except the Nexus 10. In the AOSP source code, you can see that the entire transparent bar functionality was specifically disabled for the Nexus 10 due to graphics driver issues. This may or may not get fixed in the future, but drivers are out of Google's hands so they're sort-of at the mercy of the GPU OEM to fix it unless they can come up with a code hack to get around it.

As far as why ART isn't available on the Nexus 10, I can't even begin to guess on that one. I can't see them leaving it out without some technical reason for it. I can assure you all that it is no indication of update support, however. Like every Nexus device in history, it will be supported until it is two hardware generations behind.

Support for the Nexus One ended at the release of the Galaxy Nexus

Support for the Nexus S ended at the release of the Nexus 4

Support for the Galaxy Nexus ended at the release of the Nexus 5

Support for the 2012 Nexus 7 will end next summer with the release of a 2014 Nexus 7

See the pattern? The second Nexus 10 is still nowhere in sight, and the first N10 will continue to receive update support until there's a 3rd generation N10. You all can relax.
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
I believe you, oldblu910. Unless one wants to go through the steps of reverting to an older builld, sounds like it could be smart later in a device's support life to hold off pulling the trigger on updates 'til we know what's in 'em.

Do you know anything more about what the current graphics-drivers issues are... and maybe something about what Google would have to do in hack?

Thanks for the good info.
[Nexus 10 General] oldblue910:
Also, in case anyone wants to see the commit on AOSP, it's here: https://android.googlesource.com/de...5ddbc2cc5f310a442ba92d319390edacea92cea^!/#F0

There is a comment that says "Translucent status & navigation bars perform poorly on this device." I can't find it now, but somewhere in the aosp build groups, someone asked for clarification on why it was disabled and was told it was due to graphics driver problems.

Update: See one user's experience here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=47087538&postcount=10. If that doesn't scream "graphics drivers", I don't know what does.
[Nexus 10 General] spedly:
I agree. Tempest has been rock solid on my N10. I'm really liking it a lot. No random reboots at all.
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
Yes, I'd say ''back lights flickering, and horizontal lines'' would qualify!! Thanks for those links.

Here's Google's commit on removing the TabletStatusBar from the systemui package, if it's helpful to anyone:

https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/b0e49fc
[Nexus 10 General] tylerdurden83:
But most people that flashed a modded system-ui or are using xposed + gravitybox and nova beta have no issues or lag whatsoever...
[Nexus 10 General] oldblue910:
That's good to know. Maybe that gives some hope that the stock ROM will see the capability in the future.
[Nexus 10 General] tylerdurden83:
Well they'd first need to fix the GEL cause with that + translucent bars it lags like hell...

I'm fairly puzzled by how the nova developers can develop such a better launcher than google can tbh
[Nexus 10 General] Warren_Orange:
I must say, after a week or two with kitkat the battery life is definitely worse.
[Nexus 10 General] oldblue910:
Just to follow up on my earlier posts in this thread, a friend had a good thought about why the Nexus 10 doesn't have ART. Keeping in mind that ART compiles apps into system-level byte code, and the fact that ART clearly isn't anywhere close to finished, it probably has to do with the Exynos processor. I'll bet you dollars to donuts that ART can't (yet) compile apps into byte code that can be properly interpreted by an Exynos processor. That would make all the sense in the world as to why it was left out of the Nexus 10.
[Nexus 10 General] Blocoholi:
I would say it is the other way round.. I use to charge my nexus every 2 days. Now I only have to charge every third night.
[Nexus 10 General] Warren_Orange:
Stand by is OK for me, maybe a little better. But screen on time had definitely taken a hit.
[Nexus 10 General] zorniki:
Same here. I guess in standby I lose about 1-2% a day now. With medium usage I get about 3-4 days straight before I am down to 30%. I'd say thats acceptable. ;)
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
Looks like 4.4.1 is on the way very very soon...
[Nexus 10 General] ChrisAstro:
Mines has some lags. I think that the resolution of the scree is just quite high for the processor. The dual core sadly will have a hard time compared to the new Snapdragon 800.
[Nexus 10 General] LoVeRice:
This is to unified all nexus devices
[Nexus 10 General] springy:
Think I would want to give my impression of Kitkat on Nexus 10.

Simply put it is a massive update over Jelly bean. The main issue with the force reboot and stuttering has more or less gone and it is so much more smoother and feels very usable. I was waiting for the next Nexus 10 to resolve this but I think I can keep this tablet for at least a year now.

I think my only disappointment on this is the Google Play Experience launcher which after the 4.4.2 leak apk still is not smooth enough. I do think Google keeping this a nexus 5 exclusive is simply that the launcher is not ready for prime time, but looking at nova launcher I am sure Google can iron that out once the apk becomes available on the Play Store.
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
I finally downloaded it after putting it off for so long reasoning that it would be an expensive brick due to the lack of flash and AOSP browser. And after downloading 4.4.2, I feel exactly that way. My Nexus is mainly used for browsing and now flash and AOSP browser have gone, it's not a happy experience. I'm using the Dolphin/hacked Flash mod and it's terrible, videos are out of sync and choppy and I don't like using Dolphin as a browser (scrolling is shocking coupled with rendering!). Plus the addition of Jetpack surely can't be good for the battery?

I know Flash for videos stopped being supported a long time of ago but I feel Google could have waited just a bit longer for a lot more sites to adopt HTML5. Even a site such as Facebook, videos can't be viewed because it still adopts Flash. Not everybody would like to use dedicated apps for certain sites. Meh.

Anyway, in terms of the UI and everything else, it looks nice as hell. The settings UI isn't that bad and I can understand why Google did that. However, since the update, my tablet has been laggy and not as crisp as it once was. I've been lucky enough to only experience one reboot since owning the Nexus since February, so I can't say anything in regards to fixing those issues.

My tablet will now sit on the bedside table indefinitely until some genius finds a way to make flash work/smoother. I'm disappointed as I was really in love with my Nexus 10.
[Nexus 10 General] Zod09999:
How about reverting back to 4.3? Isn't the point of an android device that you can do almost anything you want.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
Yep if you don't like it just go back to 4.3 or 4.2
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
Those are veryfair comments and I would state to someone to do the same if in the same position but there are users like myself who don't want to get involved with rooting/recovery/ROMs etc. I've been reading all the threads about the updates and people are talking about TWRP, ADB, clock recovery and frankly it's confusing and quite daunting. The fear of bricking is too much, especially on a device which is quite expensive and others are quite lucky to be able to afford multiple tablets/phones/toys to play with.

I also find it a bit illogical to have to revert back to something when the update is supposed to improve performance and experience. In all fairness, I could live without all that I said previously but I know that features have removed which taint my experience. It's a bit of a backwards step IMO.
[Nexus 10 General] Zod09999:
Well,

1. I'm not sure there has been a bricked Nexus 10 that couldn't be revived. The one's i've been reading about were all working again.

2. Using one of the toolkits, provided on xda, and reading some threads, going back to stock 4.3, even for a novice, should take maybe half a day. If you have questions you can always open a new thread and get some help.

Just seems like a waste of money to leave your tablet on the table.
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
Thanks. I understand what you're saying but as a consumer, modding and rooting etc, doesn't appeal to me as much as it does others. I like the customization of Android on the top layers but other than that, I don't want to delve any more into it. I feel sorry for consumers who have no clue about firmware etc and upgrade and realise that it doesn't improve performance.

Believe me, it won't be left on the table. Luckily there are some very intelligent people around on the web and on XDA that understand what people want and use more than Google do.
[Nexus 10 General] oldblue910:
I'm with you. I keep all my devices stock, unrooted, with the bootloader locked. I know how to root and flash ROMs, but once I knew how, my curiosity was satisfied. The stock ROM gives me everything I need and nothing I don't.
[Nexus 10 General] AleCai:
Have you tried Opera browser? Runs smoothly for me but obviously lacks flash; it's the only acceptable browser on N10 atm

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[Nexus 10 General] yets:
Yep, after this morning I tried, Android Browser(in store), Maxthon (doesn't work), Puffin, Super Fast Browser, UC, Firefox, Next, Opera, Baidu, Boat, One and Opera mini. Some didn't work whilst others were slow. AOSP was light and fast and had great functionality. It's a shame really, it really has ruined my browsing experience

On another note, at the moment, battery consumption isn't great too. I've just taken it off charge to check the store and list which browsers I've used and it had dropped to 99% within a minute and gone down one more 1% three minutes later. I would usually get 1% drop every five minutes. Very disappointing. I'll monitor it.

edit: A now getting random reboots. Awesome.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
You don't have to root or modify anything to revert to 4.3, you can keep everything stock. Just download the factory images from Google and follow guides that are posted on the internet. As far as bricking, there's always a very slim possibility, but then there's always a very slim possibility that it could brick using the official update.
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
Looks like I will have to down grade; anybody experience reboots when user isn't even present?

Will a factory reset help me?
[Nexus 10 General] AleCai:
I got 1-2 random reboots a week since the update; i'm considering the factory reset too because I didn't do that after the update, hoping it'll solve this issue. That's really strange because on 4.3 I've never had any random reboot while much users had them, now that 4.4 seems to have fixed this issue for most users, it appears on my N10 :/

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[Nexus 10 General] yets:
Exactly the same, it was so stable on 4.3. No flickering, no sleep of death, no problems... It's baffling. I'm surprised it rebooted even in deep sleep!!!

I'm going to factory reset after back up all my stuff ad noting which apps I had. This shouldn't be the norm for STOCK end users :(
[Nexus 10 General] Bigralphn:
I would try a factory reset. I have read about a few users having reboots and lag and a factory reset fixed it. Most think it is quicker. I have only seen a couple people claim they are worse off. Flash has been the main complaint. I use paid Puffin if I need flash and it works. I never thought flag was all that great on an Android device even on AoSp so I am not one to talk about that. Keep in mind that flash is one of the most insecure things used. If you ever notice on your pc flash has to update at least once a week. My son is a support rep for a large company and he said the reason it updates so much is because it is do easy to hack. That said, I do agree that there are so many flash sites out there, it may be years before we see it totally phased out
[Nexus 10 General] AleCai:
I totally agree, some lags are still acceptable but random reboots really not!

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[Nexus 10 General] XxLordxX:
That's weird, I had no random reboot with my tablet, I only had a problem when installing AndrOffice app while booting LinuxOnAndroid and also another time with the same app, but I believe the problem there was the app, not the system, after all I installed many apps and had no problems.

And also, another thing that caused reboots on my device was Chrome... I really enjoy it and I only use it, but sometimes it gets way too heavy and then it reboots my device, only if I had an option that was as good as Chrome for me (I've tried many, but Chrome was still my favorite).

There's probably an error somewhere, it shouldn't be rebooting like this... If you're sure that NO EXTERNAL app is interfering, then I'd recommend a factory reset.

The only thing I'm really missing in Nexus 10 KitKat is ART, I'm using it in my S4 and the difference is interesting to see, not THAT explicit for me, but you can feel something is different, and better hehe.

~Lord

"This Story Ends Where It Began" - Octavarium (Dream Theater)

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[Nexus 10 General] yets:
How's everyone's 1gb RAM coping?

I'm also finding that apps stay running if I've closed them in KitKat as opposed to jellybean, where'd they would cache. Anybody else finding this?
[Nexus 10 General] three west:
stable, I like it, not a huge difference

My favorite thing: The new toast messages