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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
That's the only place you can buy the DE new. They are seldom in stock, and when the get a new batch in, they sell out in a matter of hours. If you really want to purchase one you will need to check their website a couple of times a day. Or try to find one on eBay or swappa.com
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] DavidFlory:
I just got my Verizon Developer Edition. Is the discussion in the OP still valid? It has not been edited for a while. Or, is there another guide that is more uptodate?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
OP is still valid.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
:rolleyes:

Op should still be valid also I have a section on the DE device in my guide.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
Is anyone else using CWM? Perhaps OP should be updated to also include that as an option since the VZW DE is officially supported where it's not with TWRP?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Still good man!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
There's one for sale on Swappa. Very fair price imo. It's not mine
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
Nope lol. I got that one this morning. I have been waiting for 1.5 months to catch one new from Samsung but it's always back ordered. Saw that one on swappa and it's a way better deal. It is now sold lmao. Oh the joys of finely having a real recovery
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
Yah, I noticed it was just sold. Congrats man! I'm surprised it was available for as long as it was.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
awesome man!! welcome!!!

now if somebody could buy my htc one max haha
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
Me to. I usually check swappa everyone 3 days. I am lucky I found it being I checked on Sunday and there was no De phones available. You guys using cwm or is there a twrp build for our phones?

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I haven't payed much attention to the De stuff till I finally got one. Can we run t mobile stuff?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
Twrp...op
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
Most DE users are on twrp. But there isn't a build for our phone so use the one for T-Mobile Note 3.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
got it. thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
Stick to 2.6.3.8 for now. Appears some users are experiencing corrupted recoveries with newest .9 version.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
Boy oh boy how I missed having an unlocked bootloader. Finally got my de device from swappa. Beans v6 with imos 1.10 kernel is amazing on battery. I was running beans v6 with stock kernel on my retail device and I an so happy to be back with imos kernel.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
No need Philz CWM Touch is light years ahead. TWRP can RIP.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
I hear you but personally I would have to force myself. PhilZ just doesn't feel good as weird as that may sound. The TWRP is elegant in looks, simplicity and functionality. How would it hurt for the DE to have 2 recoveries available?

SM-N900V DE
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mlin:
Agreed, more is better. Plus, CWM is a little clunky when compared to TWRP.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Nothing wrong with that...the more options the better. However I feel the exact opposite, imo TWRP feels more clunky.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
Thing that will hard brick DE

Just wondering what things should i avoid so that i would never be in that situation , here is what i know :

1- bootloader related activities, including flashing a bootloader that is not compatible with with DE

2- flashing incompatible recoveries, ( aside from T-mobile's recoveries )

Edit : 3- flashing incompatible radios from odin or recovery ( if made packaged in zip format )

anything else I should avoid . I am talking hard brick, not bootlooping.

Aside form these two , can flashing anything that my heart desires cause a hard brick ?

Thank !
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Yup lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Sold the HTC One Max huh?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Yessir. Lol you find that odd?? I have to get read for m8 ;)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] abe_cedar:
bootloader question and kk upgrade.

As per several post above I have the following question.

Since DE edition will not receive any updates when kitkat is released for VZW we will have e 4.3 bootloader ( mine is still OYUBJM3).

I assume that we will never get flashable bootoloaders for DE.

The Q:

will we be stuck on 4.3 and will not be able to flash any 4.4 based roms unless we update the bootloader ?

Any workarounds possible?

( DE bootloader is unlocked and I assume that the retail bootloader does not work on DE device)

Note that I am not talking about the baseband. That can be extracted and flashed.

TIA

Abe
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
I am currently running CM11 on my DE, which is 4.4 based. So I don't anticipate any problem flashing TW 4.4 ROMs in the future with our 4.3 bootloader.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] abe_cedar:
version

this isbased on 4.4. Can you please check in settings about phone to see what kind of build number u have?

Under base version if it is a K... We are good.

Thanks

Abe
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
KOT49H
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechSavvy2:
I recall people willing to sell their DE's..... Please PM me if anyone still has one they're willing to part with (for a reasonable price).

Edit: N/m, got one, move along....nothing to see here..... ;)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
flashed tmobile cm rom

ok so i got 4g and 3g working on this rom, Temasek unofficial version. No apn settings required. Just straight out of the box booted and data is functional. Will do more testing and report. and oh location worked too.

Edit: Calls are not working , but like I said earlier, data 3g / 4g , camera , location all working. SO i have to tinker a bit with it. My 64 gb exfat is also working using LK 1.2 aosp .
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
That rom worked fine on mine as well. Calls worked great. Only thing was no sms or mms
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] dhufford81:
That's a big **** no. Samsung ****s on dev community.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
What do I have to do to run a tmobile rom and actually get data? Ran their kit kat roms and love them but I can't seem to obtain data. Only cell service
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
saw your discussion

Yeah all their kitkat based roms boot up and work for the major part. I am so sad that I cant get data to work and I am even more saddened from the developer statement, " very Unappreciative people over the verizon side ". I really have been googling how to port a touchwiz rom all last night across carriers and it is really way above my capabilities ( which are none existent ).

Maybe a developer can show us how to port one and we can try to take a stab at all these gorgeous kitkat roms from tmobile.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] dhufford81:
Try this link, I believe the problem you're facing is related.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2602099
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
agreed. i can port aosp roms but android 4.4.2 with tw is throwing me for a loop. did some jar file edits last night and still no data.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] js0uth:
man.... my dev box got thrown away.... :crying:

there goes 1/4 of the value. lol.

and someone is trying to sell theres on ebay for 1k..... crazy.... but i guess if someone really wants it.... lol.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
I'll sell you my DE box for.. let's see... mmmm...$250? ;)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] js0uth:
ill think about it. :p
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
Kies 3

I have spent numerous hours on chat with the Useless CSR from samsung tech support inquiring about a restore method for DEV. edition phones. I also asked them about updating the phone when kitkat is released.

Here is there useless responses

1- You can flash a retail kitkat bootloader on dev edition : I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WILL CAUSE A BRICK , it was a tried and the member bricked his phone. SO they are absolutely clueless

2- Kies has a new edition released January 30th, Kies 3. Kies 3 will automatically recognize your phone and update the firmware WITHOUT locking the bootloader. According to the CSR, the bootloader can never be locked.

3- Kies 3 can also restore the phone to a stock version, in case corrupt bootloader or bootloops happen.

Has any one tried step 3 ? I did plug in my phone and Kies did recognize the phone as Dev edition and there was an option of restoring the phone to factory image.

Thanks !

EDIT: Ok so Kies restored factory setting and phone booted up fine, I have attached the proof. Can some one please direct me as to where does KIES download the temp files for restoration on a MAC , so i can extract them and post them ?

EDIT 2: Yep that locked my device up . It is no longer accepting recoveries, it has a locked bootloader. Oh well ! I am on the phone with Level 2 technical support. Level 1 is absolutely useless, they dont even comprehend how I purchased the phone from samsung. They keep saying go back to verizon, where you must have purchased the device.

Edit 3 : I am now connected to executive level. They will call me back with a solution on monday. I have a really bad feeling about this.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechSavvy2:
Do you have reference that the CSR told you to use KIES? If you do, I'd say the blame can be put on Sammy this time. I know that warranties are void etc etc, but if they told you to use KIES and that it would not lock your boot loader then that's on them....

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 Developer Edition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Surge1223:
Did you happen to back up your aboot.mbn partition before flashing that tar? If so youd be able to unlock your device device with it.

Ask the moron your on the support line with how dev devices are supposed to be able to accept updates if all dev devices have unique aboot.mbn partitions? Then tell him/her that an smc call is now being sent from the rpm via the tz, thus not allowing aboot to boot android because it thinks the device is tampered. See if that speeds things up.

And yes I can help you prove that should the need arise.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechSavvy2:
Lol, there is no way in hell a CSR is gonna understand any of that, haha. I'm imagining the deer in the headlights look now....

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 Developer Edition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
No back up

No i did not back up aboot. And no I will not tell that to the same people that told me that there is no way I bought a phone form samsung.com because they dont see phones directly. They are really a new kind of moron.

I have level 2 tech support calling me back on monday after they figure this out from the executive tech support team. I think they are all labels one lonely guy sitting in a basement that will give me the run around because he is too busy touching his PS4

I might sell the device and switch to t-mobile . today I was really burned out from verizon and samsung all-together

I am really surprised at the outcome of Kies on my phone though. It has completely retailed my Dev edition. So Dev edition is nothing but a regular phone , with an etch and unlocked bootloader.

I actually tried to flash TWRP ( just for $hits and giggles ) and i ended up with the unofficial software tamper screen bs.

So , get this , I odined back using the retail tars and it fired right up.

SO it is fully functional, and it should accept updated now like a retail phone would.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] abe_cedar:
Backup

This thread is a life saver. For de device since is hard to get factory images you have to have a backup.

I busted the n3 but twrp and a backup saved it.

Make a backup. Will save u time and money.

Are there tars with bootloader and all in them that can be odined ?

I assume no.

Thanks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
Thanks for sharing this. Why not try to restore one of our aboot, it would be great to have a way to restore the unlocked bootloader?

SM-N900V DE
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
Bootloader not accepting it

As of now, that bootloader is behaving like retail. I did use to back up the boot.img using TWRP, thats about it. I am not sure how do i go about flashing aboot using odin. And also, at this point, i feel like this phone has nothing in common with Dev edition phones. WHich was my point earlier, there is absolutely nothing distinct between this phone and retail at this moment.

Its like to unlock bootloader on a retail using one of our aboot, it wont work, most likely end up in a hard brick. I am waiting on them to call me on monday before i start invasive procedures like that.

P.s. I gotta hand it to hash code and the devs, My phone feels exactly the same post lock lol. I still hate the idea of paying for a dev edition and end up with locked.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
and you're probably pretty sick of the whole thing by now. That's real scary that the DE can be lost that easily. I really didn't believe what was said about the s4 de being converted to retail until now. I guess the thing in the future is never buy a bootloader locked or de without recovery phone again, no matter the specs. It is nice that safestrap and had I known before hand I would have been fine with the tw roms.

SM-N900V DE
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
Response from Samsung Executive level support

Ok guys Nothing but bad news

Here is the summary

1- This phone is sold as is, DO not expect any updates form Samsung or Verizon. If it is sold with Jelly Bean, it will stay with Jelly Bean. It will never see KitKat. KitKat needs its own boowloaders to work with Touchwiz, Most definitely will not get any updates from Samsung. The only way to update this is to use kies, in which case it will lock the bootloader.

2- Samsung does not honor anything about developer edition phones past those 30 days, they refuse to deal with anything when it comes to DE past 30 days

3- Do not ever listen to Tech support, Kies will just lock the bootloader and flash retail BootLoader on it. There is nothing Samsung will do to honor it

4- If samsung was to help in my situation, I would have to send the phone for a re-flash. He is still getting back to me on that. I am trying to edit the recorded phone conversation for proof.

Edit: This is not really complaining, I do wish they support their developer devices like Motorolla did. This is a confirmation FYI from Samsung themselves. I do know what I was getting my self into. I am very aware of the consequences of all my actions, including listening to their technical support when it comes to using Kies on a DE phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
Thanks for the information. Very interesting, but not surprising. Sorry that you had to be the "canary in the coal mine" for the rest of us.

One side note: CM11 is Android 4.4.2 based, and it works fine with our 4.3 bootloader. The only thing we can't have, for the time being, is TW 4.4 ROMs.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] dhufford81:
I'm done fighting with Samsung, and this will be my last device from them. I purchased the dev edition for a reason, and Samsung made me regret my decision anyways. They've already lost $5k from me as I just purchased a LG refrigerator and a Sony TV. Last year before I bought my note 3, both purchases would have been Samsung. **** em, they need us more than we need them. It's clear they want to appeal to the same crowd as iPhone, so really, I want nothing to do with them. I prefer to go through life with my eyes open.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
I completely understand

I really get your frustration. I am going to admit to knowing all that before hand, as this was the case with every developer edition phone ever release by Samsung.

I just prefer to do down fighting. Emailing & filing complaints over at the BBB doesn't cost a penny. Plus i live my life trying, rather than relying on others' failed attempts.

I feel like i really distracted this thread from its original purpose, I apologize for that. This is not a petition thread. So to the OP, I am sorry.

In my defense, I just wanted to shed light on what we know about the DE phone from my own experience, I then suddenly found my self involving the thread in complaints for some reason.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] dhufford81:
Everything you said applies to the dev edition vzw note 3, I don't think anyone minds. It's all been informative, except really my post, which was opinion. Carry on good sir :thumbup:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
Yeah, people should know this about samsung de devices.

SM-N900V DE
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam1pbell:
I for one am pretty happy with my DE. I can do so many things with my note 3 that my wife can't . So it's give and take. I know for a fact that my phone smokes my friends phones at work. They have sprint and tmobile. It is what it is.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
I do not understand what the big deal is? The DE has had 4.4 kit kat in aosp for sometime, we have a custom recovery, and a custom odin file to get back to stock. By the time TW 4.4 is out the N4 will be right around the corner. We do not even know if safestrap will work for it. Atleast a dev like beans will most likely be able to modify the upate and create a flashable .zip from recovery.

I am happy with my DE device and would much rather have it instead of the retail since I am buying my device outright to keep unlimited. Also the DE is holding its value really well. I plan on buying the N4 DE if it is a option.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
I agree. I am happy with my DE, too. I would say it fulfills my expectations 100%, since I started running CM11 as my daily driver the beginning of this year.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
I agree with all these recent posts but ya gotta admit how irksome it is to be tied up, restricted, always treading carefully so that we can preserve the DE state. I wouldn't sell mine either :)

SM-N900V DE
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ryanbg:
That's all I want really. I feel like that's not very much of me to ask from Samsung and Verizon. I don't even tether. Spite drives me further and further to figure this mess out.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
are you guys able to flash modems in odin? i am on mje baseband right now but wanted to try some stuff with mj7. odin keeps saying success and it writes fine to the phone but when i check my phones baseband after it reboots its still on mje. not sure whats going on here.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
I seems the best success is to enter download mode via the 3 keys method. Using any of the software methods are hit and miss. (Vol down, home and power) Good luck if already doing that.

SM-N900V DE
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
Thanks will try that
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
that did it. thanks a bunch buddy.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sdaelr:
Remind me again what the benifits of updating the modem? Since getting my DE back in December the only thing I have really had time to do it root. I did flash CM on there once but quickly went back to stock. So my DE is rooted stock with philz recovery. I really havnt noticed any problems running stock modem. Should I upgrade?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] DavidFlory:
If you are on the MJE modems then you have the latest. If you are on an earlier build then the main benefit is that most of the custom ROMs that are made for the SM-N900V DE need the MJE built modems to work.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
i didnt think the modem had anything to do with what rom you were running? i wanted to go back to mj7 because it actually gives me better service in my house compared to mje.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] dhufford81:
What about flashing the kit kat modems from the T-Mobile or international dump? I've been thinking about trying it. The T-Mobile phone works on Verizon network if I remember right (seems like I read a thread that claimed this).
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sdaelr:
Well I am on MJ3 and have been since I got the phone. I haven't had any trouble with it. I have gotten excellent reception just about anywhere. Since I'm getting good reception should I try to MJE.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
Has anyone tried the latest Twrp update?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
It camt.hirt to try it. Just backup your mj3 modem with twrp and if it's not better just restore it
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
2.7.0.0 is working great for me, I flash the zip.

SM-N900V DE

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I switched to mje and didn't notice any difference but it was rumored that it has the aws update.

SM-N900V DE
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
Thanks for your sharing your experience with flashing Twrp.

I had to go into service mode to enable aws (band 4)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] northmendo:
Which recovery are you guys flashing? I have tried the hltetmo 2.7 several times and it never boots. I have to flash back to 2.6.3.9
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
Make sure you flashed the version for 4.3 bootloader (not 4.4 boot loader) version.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
2.7 working great for me here.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] DavidFlory:
DE or retail?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Turgur:
Anyone have a flashable kernel for the latest build? Flashing Imoseyon's latest lean kernel gave me a boot loop =(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
I have seen reports that Temasek's kernel works with the latest CM11 nightlies. From the general/international android development threads.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
Do you mean TouchWiz kernel? MJE? If so: http://d-h.st/users/BeansTown106?fld_id=28020
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
DE
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] DavidFlory:
And the hltetmo version?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] inline6power:
Yes Verizon De phone with tmo 2.7 trwp