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[Nexus 10 General] XxLordxX:
Updated today and using for a whole day the KitKat I can tell you the following:

Take this as MY opinion. If you want to use as an idea of updating or not, go on. But I think it's up to YOU to decide if you'll make good use or not! My conclusion is: KitKat is amazing, a few problems here and there (specially keyboard), but if you think of the positive things there's no motive to not update haha!

~Lord

"And We Think So Supersonic... And We Make Out Bombs Atomic." - Eagle Fly Free (Helloween)

Sent from my KitKat Nexus 10
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
I'm 50/50 as t whether I should bother updating stock. I can live without the transparent bars and live with the settings menu but the decider is if web surfing will allow me to watch videos as I'm hearing that flash is totally gone. Is this true? I use the AOSP browser for 4.3 (through trickery) and I can watch any flash video, has that ability been taken away?
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
It may be part placebo and part starting fresh, but it feels a little smoother, especially scrolling. The only downside so far is I can't install the AOSP browser (using the app AOSP browser installer).
[Nexus 10 General] styckx:
Doesn't matter anyway.. 4.4 uses Chromium for webview so even if you install the AOSP browser it will basically end up being a skinned version of Chrome.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
Chrome has been buggy in the past, but we'll see how it is on 4.4.

Other impressions: I can't get flash player to work using various browsers. Maybe an update to the browsers will fix it? Or is flash officially dead?

Also, screen flicker seems to be gone, thank God. This was the only thing I wanted fixed anyways.
[Nexus 10 General] EnIXmA:
I am fairly impressed with the K.K update on the n10

Art is stable and the ui is very smooth and lag free.....Battery life is slightly better than 4.3

Gel launcher, the new Google search are just a bonus...

Better memory management for sure

Another thing I have noticed is that some of the games are running smoother on the new build.

Well, its a tablet update....What do you expect?

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Try Firefox browser.
[Nexus 10 General] schmolch:
Corrected :)
[Nexus 10 General] maw:
Nexus 10 stays awake since upgrade to 4.4

Has anyone noticed that since the upgrade to 4.4 that your device is staying awake? Seems to be caused by Android system. It doesn't sleep anymore and it's draining my battery because of this. Anyone found out what the problem is? I read on another forum that it's being caused by the Google Keyboard that is shipped with 4.4, if I change the keyboard with the 1,2,3 layout, will this solve the battery drain issue? This is weird man......

Thanks for the replies!
[Nexus 10 General] VivaErBetis:
In my case it enters in deep sleep without problems. I'm currently using Swype keyboard instead of Google's one.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
Firefox for Android is pretty awful. I use it occasionally only because flash used to work well.

Besides, I use Chrome on my computer so I want something that can sync between all my devices.
[Nexus 10 General] pfmiller:
Why not just try changing keyboard if you think that's the problem? Wouldn't that be the quickest and best way to answer your question?
[Nexus 10 General] maw:
Well, I tried that, it won't allow me to change it, I'm not rooted. Anyway, I found the source of the problem. In Google Now, go to settings and then to Voice and uncheck Hotword detection. If you're using English US, since that's the only language that can use this feature. Once that is unchecked, it goes to sleep once the screen is off. If you ask me, I think this is a bug because it should turn off the microphone if the screen is off and go to sleep since you obviously can't use Hotword detection if the screen is off. It only works if the screen is unlocked and on anyway. Hopefully they will fix this bug. Another option you can do is change the Voice language to another language other than English US and it will turn off Hotword detection automatically.

Now my Nexus goes to sleep once the screen is off and my battery again is back up to par. If anyone else encounters this, try and see if this solution helps.
[Nexus 10 General] XxLordxX:
I'm uploading a video I just did about Nexus 10 KitKat features. Sorry for bad quality of it in advance, I recorded alone haha! And I have no special equipment, used only my Xoom to record :P.

I did a quick overview of the changes, what I liked and what I disliked. Net is slow here, so expect it in some hours lol.

"And We Think So Supersonic... And We Make Out Bombs Atomic." - Eagle Fly Free (Helloween)

Sent from my KitKat Nexus 10
[Nexus 10 General] JamesRC:
Seems slightly faster to me, might be placebo!

Has anyone managed to root successfully? I've tried flashing SuperSU 1.69 through TWRP and using Wugs Toolkit, never works! Worked fine on my Nexus 4...
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
I rooted by flashing SuperSU 1.69 through cwm. No problems there.
[Nexus 10 General] XxLordxX:
Here's my video! Hope you enjoy!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyXIRTnV0qU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

"And We Think So Supersonic... And We Make Out Bombs Atomic." - Eagle Fly Free (Helloween)

Sent from my KitKat Nexus 10
[Nexus 10 General] altimax98:
Got over 6hrs of SOT with mine in 24hrs of usage.. I'm fairly happy eith that considering I would only get 4.5hrs on 4.3 with my usage.
[Nexus 10 General] tylerdurden83:
Erm, ART isn't on nexus 10?....
[Nexus 10 General] slg60:
And will never come because exynos is not supporting that feature!

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 10 mit Tapatalk 4
[Nexus 10 General] Alleycat68:
ART was running fine on SlimKat Alpha using PA Gapps on my Nexus 10...
[Nexus 10 General] Jayrod1980:
4 hours? Wtf... Should be 10-11 hrs
[Nexus 10 General] Alleycat68:
What he said!^^^^^
[Nexus 10 General] Warren_Orange:
Does Chrome now run properly without resetting the device?
[Nexus 10 General] Habarug:
Okay, time for impressions:

1. It certainly is smoother. You can see it easily when opening Google Now through the home button shortcut. Chrome is also a bit less useless, at least the beta.

2. Transparent bars should've been enabled. I've enabled it, and it works perfectly and looks WAY better. The big bars doesn't seem to be such a huge waste of space any more. The GE launcher is laggy, with our without transparency, I use Action Launcher beta. I much prefer the white/ gray color over holoblue, no longer need a blue wallpaper.

3. Battery life may be a bit worse. Doesn't matter, though, because the only times I use it enough to drain it in one day, I'm home all day and close to a charger. It's not a huge difference either, if there is any at all.

4. The file picker is great.

5. WALLPAPER SETTING IS NO LONGER COMPLETELY RETARDED. This is the biggest one to me, as wps no longer look blurry unless set through LWP or default wallpapers.

6. The settings app is stupid.

7. I think immersive mode will be awesome on N10 when more apps start using it.

Overall I think it's a good update, but not as big an improvement as I hoped
[Nexus 10 General] PoisonWolf:
Has anyone tried out the amazing new editing features in the gallery app? There's like some mad photoshopping 1337 options in there now.
[Nexus 10 General] Bait-Fish:
Try this from the SuperSU thread. It has helped others.

--OctOS Powered VZW GS4 Dev Edition
[Nexus 10 General] vittogn:
Which mod are u using for transparency?

A part from YouTube and videos I haven't notice any apps (e.g. Gallery) using immersive mode! Is the swipe meant only to get out or you can also trigger it?

Thanks.

Inviato dal mio GT-I9300 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Nexus 10 General] da_flux:
Is there already a fix for the phone settings lay out?

Or Google won't fix this?
[Nexus 10 General] Dinsdaleson:
Paranoid Android team said that part of code that was responsible for tablet mode is just wiped. So there is no simple fix :(
[Nexus 10 General] rec0n:
Other than the weird settings layout and lack of ART, I guess i like it. Overall UI responsiveness is better. Memory management also seems better since i have about 60-70mb of more ram compared to 4.3.

Only problem i faced so far is Nova launcher is doing more redraws (Got around 350 apps running on tablet with a free memory of 450ish mb in idle) but i am not sure if its a 4.4 or personal setup problem...
[Nexus 10 General] da_flux:
So stupid I don't like the phone ui on a tablet stupid thing from Google.

Is this also on the Nexus 7 ?
[Nexus 10 General] rec0n:
Should be, keeping tablet layout on a smaller device, while removing it from a bigger one would be much more stupid than removing it from all platforms...
[Nexus 10 General] 3DSammy:
Some may find this relevant post interesting:

Did Kit Kat improved Nexus 10's color calibration?

Hopefully this is not considered cross-posting. If it is then please delete.
[Nexus 10 General] Syk69:
Web browsing experience is horrible compared to 4.3. Replacing android WebKit with chromium just sucks. No more flash and stuttering lag on scrolling. Chrome beta is the only decent one but no flash. The dual pane being taken away from settings was a step backwards. Hopefully they fix chromium engine soon. Sticking with 4.3 in the meantime.
[Nexus 10 General] tjupille:
Finally got tired of waiting, so I sideloaded.

1. Ditto on the browser issues. Maxthon (my favorite on 4.3) force closes. Firefox, Chrome, Dolphin are all sloooow. No more Flash. Ugh!!

2. My bluetooth mouse (Bornd) that worked fine with 4.3 won't pair with 4.4

3. Xposed framework is broken on 4.4, so the translucent notification bar and the battery percentage that I had set up are gone.

4. Stickmount doesn't seem to work either.

Biggest issue I had with 4.3 was bad memory management on the browsers. I had hoped 4.4 would be better, but Chrome is so slow that I haven't had the patience to push it.

I'm in the process of restoring my 4.3 installation right now.
[Nexus 10 General] styckx:
I give up on this device. Just had my second hard reboot.. Just browsing the web and *poof* reboot. Once vanilla on 4.4 and now once on Raskat. I've never had a device so unstable and I've owned a Samsung Moment

Sent from my Nexus 10
[Nexus 10 General] da_flux:
My N10 is never unstable.
[Nexus 10 General] Warren_Orange:
How is AOSP browser on 4.4?
[Nexus 10 General] Syk69:
Bad. Its nothing like 4.3. Thanks to the crappy chromium engine being used. You won't have the smooth stutter free scrolling anymore and no flash at all. Chrome beta is

the only decent solution.
[Nexus 10 General] Warren_Orange:
No way that is awful.

Shame on Google.

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Hey. I've just tried the big opera browser update that uses Chromium engine and it's surprisingly good. Definitely the best browser after AOSP browser I have tried. Scrolling is smooth to. This is on 4.3.
[Nexus 10 General] PoisonWolf:
Oh my goodness. I just got the ota update for kit Kat. The graphical improvements is amazing! The phase beam live wallpaper no longer has jagged edges or blotching anymore! It is all smoothy goodness!! Try it out!
[Nexus 10 General] AleCai:
For everyone having web browsing issues give a try to Opera..on my N10 works greatly! A little more laggy than AOSP but more stable imho

Inviato dal mio Nexus 10 con Tapatalk 4
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
Is flash enabled on the new Opera? Killing of flash is the only thing that's stopping me upgrade. Also, how is it in terms of battery use? Chrome used to use so much battery but AOSP was perfect. I browse a lot and on AOSP I'd get 8 hours and on Chrome I'd get 6 hours. I hate Chrome.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
You can pay a few bucks for puffin, that's the only solution I've found for the lack of flash.
[Nexus 10 General] AleCai:
No Flash support, here's the consumption

Seems a little bit more hungrier than AOSP but still acceptable to me ;) never used Chrome on any device so I can't make a comparison between them!

Inviato dal mio Nexus 10 con Tapatalk 4
[Nexus 10 General] nxss4:
I think we should all and an email to Google to reclaim the tablet ui...

Edit: and the transparent notification bar, 10 finger multitouch (doesn't go further then 4 fingers on mine) and maybe gel.

It looks like Google is a a abandoning older nexuses...
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
Thanks for answering the question regarding flash. I'm quite disappointed.
[Nexus 10 General] SeaFractor:
For those that use a non-rooted STOCK image, casual use of Flash has been absent for some time. Granted you can download alternate browsers that assist in flash support, it's been going away over time anyway. Adobe dropped development and support for Flash in the mobile environment for a while now.

It is a pain due to many sites, as well as flash based games have not yet been migrated to HTML5. The fact that the iOS products are also sans flash is helping to push the industry to dropping flash altogether.

So it's not great that flash is dropping, but this has been known to be in the pipeline for disappearing altogether in Android.

Hopefully the various vendors using flash prior get their acts together and complete the transition to HTML5 as soon as possible.
[Nexus 10 General] Bigralphn:
I had to use the root toolkit here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1400871

It rooted it fine, wugs kept telling me there was an adb issue

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Puffin Browser works with flash

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I should add I see much improved video on Netflix, wow, There are a few cosmetic things I miss but overall nice. Keyboard is not great, I went back to stock, rooted. Very snappy.
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
Fair do's. I'm only actually just interested in watching videos on popular sites, e.g on Facebook, liveleak, and movie trailers. It is beyond infuriating when you can't watch a video. Ahh well, I'm contemplating selling anyway, owning a Nexus 10 has been a test of patience for me anyway. Gutted
[Nexus 10 General] meletios:
Got my update yesterday, its much smoother than before and for what I use it for, its quite good.

The only point of concern is the single view mode in settings and others, perhaps just a slip in Google coffee quality control. Did not get lot of features which nexus 5 has but not bothered about them that much.

Although have to say the inability of Google to use the full real estate of the nexus 10 screen more efficiently in the Google launcher is a bit odd and frustrating, especially after so many iterations. The pace of evolving or out of box thinking at goggle has definitely showed down.:confused:

Of course these are just my thoughts.:)
[Nexus 10 General] Warren_Orange:
Installed the update yesterday. I unrooted fully and then OTA'd the update.

For me it seems a little bit more laggy. Typing using Swiftkey wasn't good. A couple of letters in a sentence got stuck. Swiping home screens seems the same as before - there is micro judder sometimes. Maybe the OS just needs to settle down.

A surprising thing though was my battery seems better. I only used it for an hour last night but my indicator didn't go down that much. I will fully evaluate it over the next couple of days.

Oh yeah does anyone know how to root 4.4.?
[Nexus 10 General] FredC94:
I used this tool http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2015467
[Nexus 10 General] frankws:
I use hacker's keyboard.

It has the tab and the numbers are always there.
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
Personally, I'm loving AOSP browser on the chrome engine. Seems just as smooth as it always was, but much more compatible than it used to be. Seems to load pages quicker too. Losing flash is not great, but inevitable really. Flash is ****e anyway, for me it was defo worth the loss.
[Nexus 10 General] Bigralphn:
I have heard that some people that got lag had it go away after a little use and a reboot. I posted a link just above your post for the Nexus toolkit I used to root. Very easy. Some people, myself I included, just couldn't get Wugfresh to root it. For some it worked fine.
[Nexus 10 General] mastaofdacat:
Got the update last night in Houston, TX. I already had google experience launcher on it. With the update its pretty smooth so far. I think the launcher itself moves a little slow before when swiping screens so that was already there. Other than that no complaints.
[Nexus 10 General] timfimjim:
Please can you link me to this? Sounds like exactly what I need! Thank you
[Nexus 10 General] AnsenBayer:
Still hadn't gotten the OTA notification, so I finally lost patience and sideloaded.

Haven't had a ton of time with it yet, but performance does seem slightly improved for me. Tried out GEL though and wasn't impressed...definitely noticeable lag, especially swiping into Google Now. Though maybe I'm just spoiled now from the speed of my N5. Will probably stick to either the stock launcher or Nova for now.
[Nexus 10 General] PoisonWolf:
Have you tried video playback? .mp4 video playback either played locally or via streaming?

The video stuttering is so bad that I'm seriously contemplating going back to 4.3 despite everything else being awesome.
[Nexus 10 General] xdp:
Google's own design guidelines state to use multi-pane layouts and to avoid excessive line lengths on tablets. So why would they not only ship the single-pane Settings UI, but completely remove all code related to it, indicating they plan to never restore it? Why not enable something as simple as transparency on the home screen? Why is Chrome STILL so awful?

Sometimes I wonder why we stick with Google at all. They sure don't seem to have it together sometimes.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
Because the alternative is Apple ;)
[Nexus 10 General] tylerdurden83:
You certainly have a better eyesight than me and my gf, she has a n10 with 4.3 and i have a n10 with 4.4 and we placed those wallpapers side by side and to both of us they look absolutely identical.
[Nexus 10 General] PoisonWolf:
That's really odd. Lol. Have you tried setting the brightness to 100% on both tablets? Besides the phase beam wallpaper, take a look at the holo spiral as well. The blotchiness is very apparent in the regions where there are color gradients (e.g., black to blue, etc).

But yeah, one of the reasons why I've never used the phase beam wallpaper when I first got my N10 (when it was on 4.2) was due to the pixelation. I always thought that the high resolution of the tablet was the sole reason as to why the wallpapers were pixelated.
[Nexus 10 General] XxLordxX:
Stuttering? My one is running greatly. As awesome as before BTW. I don't think there was an improvement on this aspect (only a better image on the screen), are you sure the videos used to run fine before? I tested with a 720p, 1080p and 1440p videos (mp4/mkv, mp4/mkv and mp4 respectively), all using Stock Gallery (except for mkv ones) and MX Video Player.

"And We Think So Supersonic... And We Make Out Bombs Atomic." - Eagle Fly Free (Helloween)

Sent from my KitKat Nexus 10
[Nexus 10 General] abejoker:
The lag is awful. 4.3 was smoother for me.
[Nexus 10 General] kauka187:
Does wireless display finally work with this update?

Cheers
[Nexus 10 General] jbuggydroid:
Number one issue with android that people usually bring up is fragmentation and Google has been addressing that by moving what would have been major changes apps would have only received from system updates to moving them to updates within the apps themselves. A lot of changes 4.4 brings are under the hood changes that we wouldn't notice without diving into the os and comparing it to older versions. By doing this Google is able to bring the same Google experience to a lot more people who may never get system updates that the nexus line benefits from... So I disagree with the statement that Google isn't the same company... They still are but they had to shift perspective a bit since android was getting so popular and more people were getting android phones. The galaxy nexus may never get official updates to the os anymore but the experience with Google apps like play music and gmail should the same.

And remember Google still supports dev communities since android is open source and the nexus lines are easy to tinker with...

And that is the beauty of android and why we love it.

Proud owner of

HTC hero

Nexus s

Epic 4g

Optimus g

HTC one

Ouya

Nexus 7

And soon the nexus 10 (just ordered)
[Nexus 10 General] frankws:
It is in the play store. Hacker's Keyboard Esc
[Nexus 10 General] hlaalu:
I must say, this update is one of the most disappointing updates I've had. We don't get transparent nav bar, the neat Google now home screen on the left, the app drawer/widget selection is the same etc. So basically we got the white status bar and a settings interface built for phones...

Not only that, but it would be nice if they finally fix the damn volume buttons so when I turn my tablet, the top button turns the volume up!

I love you Google and I'll always be Android but come onnnnnnnnnn!!
[Nexus 10 General] Cholo981:
Yeah, that's the only tangible difference between the older version.

And it's a bug.

Great effort Google. It says everthing about what you think about tablets development.
[Nexus 10 General] kauka187:
bump
[Nexus 10 General] MattBooth:
No ART, crappy statusbar (not transparent( and the settings looks ruined.
[Nexus 10 General] Lokitez:
I have found 4.4 to not be a particularly good update for the Nexus 10. Frankly, it seems like Google is far less committed to the 10" tablet market than it is to the phone and 7" markets. That's disappointing, as I am a massive fan of my Nexus 10.

As previously discussed, many of the highlights of 4.4 - ART, transparent navigation / notification bars - were left out of the Nexus 10 version. I went back to stock Android for the Kit Kat update, but I will probably go back to a custom ROM.

Additionally, I am having apps - especially Google apps - force closing at a higher rate than normal. Currents / Newsstands has been particularly bad about force closes.

I will say that one of the things I use my tablet for is to demo data visualizations in meetings, on the fly. This requires that I load JavaScript libraries, data files, and HTML files into a folder and then open them in Firefox (Chrome won't display them). These visualizations include quite a few transitions and they seem to run slightly better in 4.4 than in 4.3.

At the end of the day, I'd give Android 4.4 Kit Kat 1.5 out of 5 stars for the Nexus 10 (even more disappointing since I've got it on my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 (2013) and it's much better on those devices).
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
We really should be emailing Google and letting them know our displeasure really!
[Nexus 10 General] DeGroo:
Received OTA yesterday, so here are my two cents (although you guys pretty much covered it)

The (relatively small but still welcome) good things:

- feels a bit faster and smoother (not sure if its just update placebo)

- less redraws

- the screen flickering / line bugs are apparently gone

- there's a print menu (tap to pay not available in my country)

The (relatively small but still annoying) bad things:

- settings menu (@#$!!)

- no translucent bars

- the new, muffled, tap sound

- colors, especially reds look less saturated after the update! Am I going insane??

That's about it...

Key words above: relatively small.

My first impressions: I'm not impressed. Perhaps because I've gotten used to expect more from android updates and this kit Kat update feels like it is less of an update than what 4.3 or 4.2 was.

P.s.

1. The browsing experience with chrome seems unchanged. Not better, but not worse either.

2. I don't really mind not having ART as I wouldn't use it just yet anyway. However, its absence worries me, regarding Google's future update plans for the N10...