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[Dell Venue] NoUseToRush:
Thanks. I've adjusted brithness...I'll tell you more tomorrow morning after I finish my newspaper
[Dell Venue] deltatux:
Even though there's a growing group of people with the device, it doesn't seem like it's getting attention from developers at all. Probably due to its "budget" category which is a shame since this tablet is solid and surprisingly well built (can't say that for a Dell device back a few years ago). Will need to talk to the other x86 tablet communities like the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1" group to see how they achieved root because they use the same SoC as the Dell Venue 7.

Alright, let me know because I'm interested to see your results.

deltatux
[Dell Venue] 3dupunk:
I bought the venue 8 for 150 after taxes @ OfficeMax.

After a couple of days playing with the venue 8, I love it! I bought it with the intention of making it my on the go tablet and so far I'm impressed. Keep in mind, I didn't buy this tablet with the hopes of it being AMAZING. Now, I'm not saying that the Dell venue 8 is better than a nexus or an ipad mini, but for my needs..... it's pretty much perfect!

Wish list:

Expandable storage - huge selling point! imho, a tablet without expandable storage is a FAIL! I know, there are other means to expand storage but I'd rather just stick a micro SD into it's slot and let a tablet keep it's form factor. the main reasons I wanted an 8" tablet was to watch movies on the go without sacrificing portability.....movies take up lots of space.

2Gb ram - .......

Nice screen - ok, it's a compromise. The screen isn't the greatest but it works for my needs. The colors look great imo, nice and natural the way I like it...I would love to tinker with the colors though to find my sweet spot like with my nexus. All in all

Cheap - I planned on using my tablet on the train, bus, public places....I live in NYC, lots of people bumping into one another....I'm just not comfortable taking a more expensive tablet on my adventures through out the concrete jungle.

Conclusion:

@ almost $100 less the venue 8 beats a nexus; and @ almost $200 less an ipad mini for MY specific needs. Fwiw, I prefer the nexus screen and the form factor of the mini but all things considered, ESPECIALLY value for specs I just couldn't find a better deal catering to MY needs.

I hope to see some dev support, but even if I don't I'm ok with that. I can watch my movies, read while I ride the train and hand over my tablet to one of the kids without worrying about it.

It's really a great BUDGET tablet!

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Forgot to add, it's pretty much vanilla android which is a huge deal for me.
[Dell Venue] NoUseToRush:
Adjusting brightness did improve battery life...I went from 65% battery charge to 53% in one hour. It's less than yesterday but 12% is a lot.

My asus tf101 with a 3300mAh battery does better than the Venue 8 with its Li-Ion 4100 mAh
[Dell Venue] svir:
This thread is about the root progress. Stop posting irrelevant crap.
[Dell Venue] NoUseToRush:
This thread is the only one about Venue Tablets. I promise to notify you when a root process will be available.

Feel relieved now?

Don't hold your breath any longer, go outside and take a walk for a minute or two.

Have a nice day
[Dell Venue] deltatux:
It might just be the voltages used by the SoC then, the only way to modify that is we get root. Also, it seems the CPU governor loves to push the CPU to max speed quite easily, so with root we could modify it to make it not push to max speed that easily.

Also how bright is your brightness setting? I usually use about 20% brightness.

We can always spawn a new thread in this forum about battery life if you wish to discuss battery life further.

As for root progress itself, I've been trying to contact those who were able to root the ASUS MemoPad FHD 10.1 and Samsung Galaxy Tab 3.0 10.1 but haven't gotten any responses on how they were able to root their devices. Both of these tablets use the Intel Atom Z2560 SoC and is the same chip used in the Dell Venue 7. I just need to find a way to extract the system partition without root (since we don't have root right now). I was thinking of dd the partition but without root, it won't read it. adb root also doesn't work because it's a production build and would require an insecure kernel. Right now I'm wondering if I go into the stock recovery does it have preliminary adb support.

More sleuthing is required.

deltatux
[Dell Venue] NoUseToRush:
Thanks for your response. I'm ok on battery life for the moment and I agree that rooting and the following developments will probably fix that issue.

As for opening a new thread, all I can say is that,for the moment, discussions on venue tablets are already getting spawned.

There is a "Venue Android Development" thread under "Dell Venue" and this thread "2013 Dell Venue Tablet - root progress " placed under "Venue General"...and also another one started by you " [GUIDE] Dell Venue 7/8 Unlocked Bootloader" also under "Venue Android Development ". If we could have all these moved under the same hat i-e Venue Tablet General, that would simplify things and maybe avoid posting somehow "irrelevant" discussions under some threads
[Dell Venue] xdajunkman:
LIttle progress in getting this thing rooted.

I was able to capture the firmware update that the device downloaded after first booting up. However, the update file contains only several patch files - there is no complete copy of the boot or other partition in the update file. Also, the device's stock recovery is Android Recovery 3e. You can get into this recovery by booting into the Droidboot fastboot mode (power on while pressing volume down), then selecting 'RECOVERY'. Once you see the picture of the android laying on his back with an exclamation point, tap the power button and volume up at the same time.

The recovery mode is adb enabled, but still locked and my attempts to gain temporary root in recovery mode have not worked. You can sideload the firmware update from here, but any attempts to install an altered firmware update file fail as this version of recovery requires the update file to be signed. I tried generating some generic update files and signing them with both SignApk and androsign-1.0, but these also failed verification.

I tried editing the firmware update file using a hex editor, but could not do anything useful with it. I can get a slightly hex-editor altered firmware update file to install, but I could not alter the updater-script in any way that would be useful for rooting the device.

At this point, I think that hex-editing the update file might be our best bet...unless someone can come up with another rooting method. I have tried all the generic rooting methods for other devices running 4.2 without success.

If they ever either release the full stock firmware or a full firmware update (e.g. 4.3), we can extract the partition images from there. Once we have those, with an unlocked bootloader this device will be easy to crack. Until then, if anyone has any idea how to get the update file hex-edited in a useful way, post it here.

The firmware update file:

https://db.tt/9HdDpn5T
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
Guys try this if you haven't yet it worked on my Asus device its suppose to be a universal root as long as you have and drivers on your computer it should work

Here's the link to the root guide

www.droidviews.com/root-a-range-of-android-devices-in-just-one-click-with-this-universal-root-tool/
[Dell Venue] 3dupunk:
i dont trust them! Read the comments!
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
Yeah I know but isn't it posted all over xda* that flashing a custom rom comes with risks as well?* Yet you do every chance you can..... besides it's a tablet not a credit card since number or nothing....... and it also says you can delete app when you see* it....

Try it or not up to you I just know it works.* Cheers.
[Dell Venue] 3dupunk:
True, we flash at our own risk but risking my identity and financial information is something all together different. You must work for them, probably the admin on the comments.
[Dell Venue] xdajunkman:
Tried it...does not work.
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
ok another tip i got from another user was to find a similar root method by cpu rather thann device (very usefull for newer devices) head on to dragondevs or follow this link http://dragondevs.com/index.php/topic/2506-rooting-vido-m6/

guides in chinese but shows images of what to click on

apparently this root guide works for most intel z580 chips

again use if you want.

cheers.

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lol nope i dont work for them im just a reg androidian coolio trynna help another person gain superhuman root type powers over their device.

im gonna be getting the new slate plus 7 soon so im going to be trying these exact same methods to root so im just spreading the word ya know.
[Dell Venue] deltatux:
Have you been able to see if you can get adb root going on the recovery's ADB interface? If so, you should be able to push the x86 su binary into the tablet...

For those who want a visual guide in the bootloader, I wrote a guide: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2551863

This root method will definitely not work due to the exploits written for ARM processors. We need someone who can recompile exploits like Motochopper which are known to exploit Android 4.2.2 for root in x86 for it to work. That or we have to find a way to pre-root the system image. I've been trying the latter but haven't been able to find a way to extract the system image without root access in the first place. I'm not sure how the ASUS MemoPad FHD 10 and Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 community got it working by dumping the system image without root capabilities.

Problem with this rooting method is that it requires adb root. This is not available for production builds. These Chinese tablets may not have published their images as production builds, thus adb root is available to these devices. I've tried to get this method to work but to no avail.

deltatux
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
well in that case its only a matter of time then till some dev gets cracka-l-acking and bust up dis tabby with root and some other good features like a custom recovery
[Dell Venue] xdajunkman:
Nope, unable to get even temp root in adb in recovery interface.
[Dell Venue] xdajunkman:
Well, here is something interesting - I can get the /system partition to be mounted rw while in adb with the device in recovery mode. It involves a trick in timing things just right during the ota update install. Unfortunately, I can't actually write anything to /system as I still lack the permission to do so - the /system folder permissions are still set to rwxr-xr-x with root as owner. Although the partition can be written to, you can only actually write to it as root. I did try changing the permissions, owner, etc., all without luck of course as I lack root.

I am not sure if this helps, but there it is.
[Dell Venue] megaghostgamer:
Glad this thread went from rooting 1 device to 3 others.
[Dell Venue] LordKillZone:
Root

Now we wait when jcase release root??
[Dell Venue] Avallanch:
Lets clarify:

Is there a way to get Dell Venue 7/8 rooted? Any ready to use tutorials?

I reject your reality and substitute my own
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
No, only jcase's and he is making it more compatible with the 7 before release

On a side note anyone heard anything on 4.4 coming to dv's?
[Dell Venue] Avallanch:
I can be of help here: there Is no official statement about the release od kitkat, some dell reprezentative said that there Is big passibility, but they need to see ho dv's sells.

Ps. Sorry for my bad Eng

I reject your reality and substitute my own
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
Judging from this thread its not selling half bad
[Dell Venue] megaghostgamer:
Agreed. Sorry about my last remark. I was frustrated with notifications that weren't directed toward to the selected device.
[Dell Venue] sfleury:
If you go back a few pages you will find instructions that work on some Dell 8's with 4.2.2, but there is nothing released for 4.3 or the Dell 7
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
Make sure to hold an 8 and a 7 I couldn't live with a 7, too small but it depends on how you plan on using it, I use mine for class and that extra inch really helps.
[Dell Venue] siegefee:
I have tried as your way, but Cydia Impactor always shows "signature bugs unavailable". My Tablet is Venue 8 with 4.2.2, and as I know, at present all Dell 8's that sale in china can not be rooted. Can someone give us another way to root?
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
I would suggest just waiting for case to finish his root methods so he can finalize them.
[Dell Venue] megaghostgamer:
Yeah and far as I know the 8 has 2ghz dual core and better camera. 7 has 1.6ghz dual core I believe.
[Dell Venue] phlyphish:
Yeah, I understand that, but it's all a matter of personal preference. I bought the Venue 7 because of its small size. It fits in my back and jacket pockets, even in its case. I played with the 8" but it was too big for my tastes. There are plenty of larger tablets but the only one smaller than the Venue 7 is the Galaxy Tab 3 7" and its specs just don't match up. In fact, the reason I didn't buy the new Nexus 7 was because of its weird, IMO, form factor, i.e. just too tall for its width.

Like they say, there's just no accounting for taste.
[Dell Venue] drtweak:
Yea I'm in the same boat. Well its not mine is my Boss's. his wifes family lives in china and they bought one for them and shipped it here. Waiting to see about getting it rooted and everything so that I can at least Flash a US Rom on here if at all possible. Can't run Google Play on this one at all.
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
Ah, the great firewall of China.

Edited: spelling
[Dell Venue] drtweak:
I know right?? Them and blocking everything thats not from china.
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
Since we still don't have our own section that I am aware of Ill post this here, we are all aware of the, massive battery drain these tablets have while idle and i just put a bunch of battery apps on to monitor it and am going to put a full charge on then let it run by itself for several hours then see what all the battery drain is about, my guess is it has very little actual sleep time and something is keeping it awake almost constantly probably a location service.
[Dell Venue] pbmaxz:
:good:

I think you're right about GPS draining it. I turned off location the first day I got it after experiencing less than fantastic idle battery consumption; I haven't turned it back on since. This didn't come to mind when I wrote my earlier post about sleep and battery use.

Without location on it generally sleeps pretty well, in my experience. It will normally lose a few (maybe 5) percentage points of battery overnight (7 - 8h) for me.
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
So after 4 hours idle i had 8% battery drain, much less than I had while it was idle at work for the same amount of time, not sure what is up with that. But anyway it was only deep sleeping about 50% of that time and awake the other 50 with only 2m of screen on. The top culprits partial wake lock were 'nlpwakelock' and 'nlpcollectorwakelock' which after some googling seem to be location services. There is a setting I found during my searching in Google maps that will turn off location services in Google apps such as maps (who uses that on a tablet without 3g anyway) so lets hope turning that off will get us that real deepsleep.
[Dell Venue] pbmaxz:
I turned it off via the power bar widget and that did the trick.
[Dell Venue] uan:
Refresh thread hoping somebody posts something good...

It just me or i felt a hollow gap at back cover on the left side. Fix it with thin layer of these 'hard spongey' thing.

click to view picture
[Dell Venue] jayjr1105:
It could be there for a reason, and that spongey thing is also an insulator of heat
[Dell Venue] cline2:
Any update on root progress? Work on it to release for us to root ??
[Dell Venue] madi05:
i personally dont think google maps is the culprit, i never turned mine on and i still get battery drain while sleeping ?
[Dell Venue] jcase:
When time allows, and when I am ready. No further updates until then, sorry.
[Dell Venue] Dabesiv:
Keep up the good work jcase, I am waiting to update to 4.3 until your release so I can have root again.
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
It doesn't matter if you have ever used it, it is tracking, open it and under settings is an option to stop tracking.

Edited: spelling
[Dell Venue] madi05:
u mean google location setting? its turned off already, i dont see the words stop tracking anywhere in settings when i open google maps? thanks for your input
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
Under settings of maps location access
[Dell Venue] madi05:
yes all that stuff never got turned on and is showing off everything even in setting location access is off , still draining like most have stated , so i dont think that is the culprit once again , thanks
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
Not sure, ill do it again, I work tomorrow and seem to get the,most drain when I leave iron my locker there so we will see.
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
God i cant wait to try this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2316070
[Dell Venue] jayjr1105:
So what can I do with this since I have root already? I'm not super familiar with the heavy modding stuff. Just a flash addict for 3 years now.
[Dell Venue] Tornade69:
For now, nothing cause we need custom recovery like Clockworkmod or TWRP to flash those things... .
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
Yeah *sad face*
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
With the gravity box and xposed module on my rooted venue 8 or any rooted 4.0 + device you can tweak a good number of things that are standard options in a lot of custom roms. E.g. with Xposed on

My venue 8 I changed the lock screen unlock circle icon to a 007 one

I also have enabled the advanced reboot options to reboot into recovery or fastboot

There's needless to say quite a lot you can do with root with the right app or mod, and there's even more you can do with a custom rom and kernel
[Dell Venue] jayjr1105:
What are those who have rooted 4.2 doing to prevent OTA's that will break root?
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
I was simply not downloading the update file, but then things got wierd and I downloaded it then tried to install it, lo and behold it wouldn't install, so I'm essentially OTA update proof. Also I hard reset my tablet and once I reset it all up gmail and the works I still had root, so for me root seems to be permanent- ish
[Dell Venue] xdajunkman:
Strange that the OTA would not install for you. This device doesn't really have a hard reset in the sense that many others do. There is no recovery partition that contains a full copy of the firmware. When you perform what would be a hard reset on other devices, what you get is the data and cache partitions formatted, not a reinstall of the system partition. Root will be maintained as the system partition is not touched. At least...that is my impression of the situation.

Also, the OTA updates on this device do not seem to be forced. You are informed that an update is available, but it is up to you to choose to install it.
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
Yeah I figured simply using the built in factory reset was the culprit of me still having root but ain't no biggie I'm cool with it. Only thing in waiting for now is a custom rom or even just a nice functional recovery like cwm or twrp or something cause performance wise this meets all my needs including bat life
[Dell Venue] jcase:
That is what all devices do when reset, I've yet to see an android that restores firmware during reset.

Sent from my HTC Two
[Dell Venue] sfleury:
I've just been ignoring the notification.
[Dell Venue] jayjr1105:
Okay cool. Didn't know if it would auto install or force it after a set time.
[Dell Venue] xdajunkman:
Come to think of it, none of my more recent phones have done anything more. I do have an older Chinese phone running Gingerbread - a Sharp 7218u, that does have a copy of the firmware in its recovery. Hard resetting that phone reinstalls the entire firmware. Guess that was what I was thinking of. Anyway...off topic...
[Dell Venue] jcase:
I would like to see that phone, do you still have it?
[Dell Venue] deansouth8:
Settings, apps, all, Google services framework. Deselect show notifications. I'm unsure what else your not alerted to but works well. Turn back on and reboot device when you're ready to update.
[Dell Venue] cline2:
If dell venue was successful rooted. Which version 4.2.2 or 4.3 ??
[Dell Venue] jcase:
all
[Dell Venue] cline2:
Cool. Still waiting !!! :)
[Dell Venue] deansouth8:
Same here. Afraid to root 4.2.2 before getting update just in case stuff. Afraid of the unknown I guess. I just can't live without the ability to edit the hosts file. All the INTRUSIVE adverts make me crazy insane, the little guys make me wince a bit but understand.

If root for the 4.3 update is released then is it the intention to release in an apk format or will the average person be able to look at scripting so it can be digested?

I asked because of a situation where one may be able to fix on their own a potential soft brick scenario where root may be lost.

The other question I have had on my mind is if anyone is working on a CWM or similar?

I don't quite understand yet what prevents development of a CWM but assume it has something to do with a semi locked bootloader or encryption keys. I thought I read some stuff about needing a Ethernet adapter of some kind in order to access fastboot properly. Be neat to try if I knew what adapter.
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
I think cwm simply relies on a stock recovery image once we upload it to the cwm team website, I think it gets build when they have the time could be wrong though

Of course having a custom recovery img and flashing that image is a different story altogether✌
[Dell Venue] rb420:
I really hope that you decide to publish root steps for the rest of us. Would be appreciated.
[Dell Venue] jcase:
as ive said, im not publishing nor updating until i am ready
[Dell Venue] cline2:
Relax! It could be a week, month or year before he releases it.
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
Man im feeling you there they gotta follow HP and others and release the source img files I mean it is Open source isnt it?
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
Linux is their build is not
[Dell Venue] JoeKimpel:
Root Exploit?

Does anyone know what is the specific exploit that has allowed some users to gain root? I am on 4.3 and would like to write a tool to install su using this exploit.

Anyone have any info? Anyone with root have scripts or anything leftover from the process?
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
I would love you forever
[Dell Venue] madi05:
[MENTION=2541450]HunterK[/MENTION] did you find what is causing the batter to drain in smell mood or lack of sleep mode?
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
It was a general lack of sleep mode, I disabled maps and Google services and disabled location data, seems to be working now.

Edit: i now hav. .08%/hr battery drain

Please quote me in replies.

Sent from Dell Venue 8
[Dell Venue] madi05:
What is Google services? That is the only thing that I haven't done
[Dell Venue] madi05:
I meant where is it located so you can disable it
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
It is located under settings/apps/installed just hit disable, though you may get notifications from other apps requesting you update it, just ignore them. Note: some apps (though i haven't seen any) may have a services dependency just re enable it if something breaks, but again i have yet to find anything that requires it.

Please quote me in replies.

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[Dell Venue] social-design-concepts:
venue 7

did the venue 7 get the update to 4.3?
[Dell Venue] stang48317:
Yeah, I got it a couple weeks ago.
[Dell Venue] stang48317:
Yeah it does
[Dell Venue] saad197:
I got the 4.3 update!!
[Dell Venue] saad197:
I love this tablet.
[Dell Venue] jp0555:
I am not sure if the 7 has root, but if it does, try backing up the kernel and recovery in Flashify.
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
what is flashify? Also, does anyone know if the built in adb backup is a valid substitute for cwm?

Please quote me in replies.

Sent from Dell Venue 8 3830