yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] vijay555:
Very unlikely. It's tied to WM10 and WM5 it seems. And the radio :)

Will try to get hold of the files for testing...

V
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] xplode:
vijay555 , any progress about MediaPlus ?

I have tryed it without any success, it returns an error for corrupted skin files
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] mark buckle:
it it possible to post the CAB file for this please?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] Osir1s:
Hey all what happened with this?

Can someone PM me the MediaPlus cab so I can play around with it and see if I can get it to go on the Exec or JAmin.

Cheers.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] vijay555:
xplode: you have to set up the skins in the extended rom I think.

I don't have access to the extended rom at work guys... anyone else?

V
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] Osir1s:
come on guys, this is a good piece of software, lets see if we cant get it running on other devices.

Anyone have access to the their Atom extended rom they could post. it from?
[HTC One X] Json188:
Hi, does anyone have any copies of the hboot 1.72 for Asia x.xx.707.x version now?

I tried to get into mike's placeholder but i have been having problem accessing that page as it keeps giving me bad gateway problem.
[HTC One X] Thant:
If you change Immediately with Plese need firmware for 707 will be better. This is the firmware from base 4.19.707.3 and you can find in the latest OTA in Android section and many other thread.And don't forget to rename only to firmware.zip
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Z1 vs G2 vs S4

Here's my Z1, G2 and S4 going head to head.

I'm at work at the moment so they're not the best comparisons

The Z1 was shot in 8mp Superior Auto and 20mp Manual

The G2 was shot in 10mp Auto

The S4 was shot in 9.6mp Auto

Z1 Manual

Z1 Auto

My opinion is....

1st = G2

2nd = Z1

3rd = S4

Let me know what you think.....
[Xperia Z1 General] dagrim1:
Lol, planning on doing some more comparisons? As only one photo doesn't say too much...

But owning the Z1 and the G2 myself as well I tend to give the first place in good light to the G2 as well, the Z1 has more potential (especially in lower light situations) but somehow it doesn;t work too great yet. Especially with autosettings the G2 is the winner for me.
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Lol of course i''ll add more but it's all i can do at work, i'll do more when im home :)

Yeah i agree the G2 wins it for me, i used it all weekend and i was impressed with every picture but after using the Z1 for a few weeks, im usually dissapointed with most pictures. some low light pictures with the Z1 were really impressive, but the others were just ruined by noise.

I know the Z1 can produce some great shots in manual but 99% of pictures i take are spontaneous pictures, i quickly pull out my phone, snap a pictures and away i go, for this the Z1's 'Superior Auto' is not as good as the G2 :(
[Xperia Z1 General] dagrim1:
Btw, I didn't mean to sound like an ass with that first line... No insult intended ;)

But indeed, you shouldn't have to tweak in manual settings to get decent pictures. In my opinion at least 90% of the people just want to take a quick snap. Really torn between the Z1 and G2 myself, I love the screen, battery, wifi/data connection and partially the camera of the G2 but the feel and software (and partially the camera) of the Z1... Still can not decide but using the G2 as the main phone atm.

Am truely hoping the Z1 camera will get improved more in the near future...
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
I will put the Z1 down as a huge dissapointment as Sony over promised and over hyped it with PR bull like it having a Triluminous and X-Reality display and having 'Superor Auto' camera etc.. but in reality the screen is shocking and the cameras 'Superior Auto' is actually poor.

Sony should of just advertised the Z1 as the best waterproof phone on the market and its excellent build quality. and not focused on the screen and camera.

Oh and here's a quick screen comparison of the Z1 and G2
[Xperia Z1 General] Ramsey:
That manual mode on the z1 looks awesome, way less noise and more like a DSLR type of picture. But I am surprised that it's not performing too well (too much noise) in auto mode.

Did you upgrade the Z1? I heard Sony released an update a few weeks ago that improved the cam quality.

Btw can you allow us to download the original picture, please? You only let us up to Large 2048. I want to be able to see the full 20.7 MP and 13 MP.

The G2 has so much potential in its camera but LG keeps using that useless post processing effect that they also use in their HDTVs (which in my opinion really ruins the picture quality and makes it "overly smooth and weird" for no reason instead of sharp and a nice blur)

Can you do me a favor? download Camera360 and take a picture using Effects mode and then None and upload, for both G2 and Z1. I would like to see if the quality is better as usually Camera360 is capable of taking raw pictures with maximum details compared to Google's and Samsung's official camera apps (I know this is not google or Samsung but Sony's and LG's).
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Here's the G2 in full 13mp mode with the ISO set to 200, not Auto...

You can download the orignals from Flickr, i just checked. Click on an image, then click on the 3 dots in the bottom right hand corner and then click on 'View all Sizes', then select 'Original'

Here's a direct link the the full 20mp sample

I won't have time to try out that camera app as im about to leave work, sorry mate :(
[Xperia Z1 General] Ramsey:
Can't see original, maybe because I'm not signed in? I can, however, click your original link here in XDA and it works great for the Z1 20MP.

Can you take pictures of far objects? Almost all cell phones look great in close/macro shots.
[Xperia Z1 General] R@mi:
I must say that for amateurs the LG G2 seems better, BUT you fail to note the picture is aggressively over sharpened (to make it seem sharper), the z1 is more natural, and is the better out of the bunch.
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
With the Lego in front of me, i can tell you the detail on the G2's image is correct while to Z1's is too blurred/smooth and is missing scratches/marks from his hat of which the G2 manages to pick up. but this is being picky, the Z1's manual is still great.

i totally agree the G2 is the best for amateurs who just was a great point and shoot on their mobile and don't want to spend time manually setting the camera to the best setting every time they want a picture.

If Sony could fix the terrible Auto mode, then things would be much better for the Z1.
[Xperia Z1 General] For_itembine:
They need to fix the auto mode, sometimes you get amazing shots and sometimes average shots. Didn't dxomark rate the video camera the best ?

plus people need to remember your viewing the images on a 1080p screen.
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
That's because it says in flickr

The owner has disabled downloading of their photos

Not only is there no orginal neither can you download anything. Why ?

Sorry, neilmc1983, no fair, enable it so we can check out the orginal pics.

Whose fault is it if the picture is more blurred ?

completely wrong ? What is it with these exaggerations !!

It's looks pretty close to me. I don't see any wb issues there. No blue or yellow tints.

Did not see any terrible noise with this set of pictures :p

Its not very poor. Its improved over earlier versions. It can be better.

Bear in mind that lg, samsung & apple do more aggressive noise reduction. This means you lose details in lower light. Its one or the other. Z1 is more capable of taking pictures in more light ranges than any of the above. You want to excel in good light the others will be better, you want low light they will struggle.
[Xperia Z1 General] Gitaroo:
G2 at 13 MP still got more noticeable amount of noise over Z1 at 20MP, easily spotted.
[Xperia Z1 General] Safar_Ibrahim:
Very disappointed with the picture quality on Z1. I was not expecting DSLR quality photo but at least slightly better than S4 / Iphone 5s

Sony better do someting or else we would see less sales on Z2 or their next line up of product. I compared mine with Note 2 & Note 3, pictures quality are better on Note 3.
[Xperia Z1 General] omnius1:
It's important to note that your individual experience doesn't agree with what most of the professional comparisons are saying.

I think you should buy a Nokia windows phone since it appears you're more interested mainly in cameraphones, they have just the cameras you're looking for. Otherwise if you're going to stick with android for mostly non camera related reasons, I'd keep your z1 vs the LG's freaking god awful software.

To paraphrase their company slogan when it comes to OEM forks of android "Life is (not) Good". The z1 is a far better smartphone than the g2 in most smartphone aspects.

Reading your anti z1 cam and display posts lately I can only conclude you have a decisive bias towards the g2, your display experiences aren't indicative of the norm everywhere else, and you appear to be looking for bolstering from people to feel better about choosing the g2.
[Xperia Z1 General] AndroidNoob22:
I disagree, G2 seems far better than Z1, the Z1 currently for me only wins in the aspect of build quality/material and maybe the polished user interface (depends on what user likes) and ofc the water proof in z1 which is not for me as I had seen how waterproofing worked on my xperia z, I am not a fanboy or something of G2 I have recently bought it after thinking 100 times if I should go with LG but thinking their past 1 years work I did trust LG and to be true I am not disappointed. Z1 is a great looking design phone and with very polished user interface other than that I don't feel Z1 can be better than G2 or maybe even note 3. (I dislike note 3) I'd rather wait for z2 and see if they work on their display panels.
[Xperia Z1 General] omnius1:
We agree to disagree then. I find Sony phones to be of much higher quality than LG on pretty much every level.

I find Sony electronics in general to be of a higher caliber than LG who are still struggling with their budget electronics stigma.

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z1
[Xperia Z1 General] AndroidNoob22:
You are right about the higher quality of Sony phone or any Sony product, I myself use Sony Tv's camcorder, vaio, but I guess their smartphone in terms of build is the best in market no one can win it anyday no matter if it's a low-end, mid-range or high-end device Sony's phone are the best in terms of build but the main problem occurs is the display and the glass at back, on my xperia z the glass got unglued and also cracked due to heat same happen to the z1 it was unglued and also the display I had got myself 9 replacements of z1 but the display of all was never satisfying took replacement from several service centers but still no luck in display and finally a refund, I'll anyday go for Sony if I want a high quality built device but as per usage I wouldn't go for Sony as of now.
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
I've got that impression too as far as OP is concerned.

G2 vs Z1 is a tough decision.

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9 replacements !!

It seems to take forever just to get one replacement, unless there is a clear problem with the device they refuse it.

How the heck did you manage to get 9. I'd have thought they'd try once or twice, failing which return your money and tell you to get lost.
[Xperia Z1 General] AndroidNoob22:
I guess they are pretty good and nice here in my country/city and also they had agreed to all the display issues faced without banging my head on walls to explain them. :p
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Downloading the originals is now unlocked, didn't know flickr restricted it.

The blur with the 20mp Z1 image is too much. Lots of detail on the lego was misssing, also the white of his arms was wrong. The G2 managed to get the whites and other colours correct.

Download the original 8mp Superior Auto sample of the Z1 and you will see the terrible noise.

It sounds like you are a strong defender of the Z1,which is cool but for me the camera was a huge disappointment.

As a owner of a Sony TV, bluray player and AV receiver i love Sony products and i was very excited about the Z1 as Sony promised good things from the 20mp camera, but for me i'm not impressed with the camera or the terrible screen. Which is why i purchased the G2 (my first LG phone), the camera on the G2 with its great screen is very impessive.
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Here's the Z1 20mp Manual vs the G2 13mp Manual

Hopefully this will show what i was trying to explain.
[Xperia Z1 General] dagrim1:
Guess our definitions of noise and easily spotted are quite different as I have no idea what you are talking about. In my opinion the Z1 is more noisy...

Have you actually tried the G2? I agree LG has screwed up in the past but the G2 really is an excellent phone, surpassing the Z1 on various aspects. Not a fan of their software either, but it actually isn't THAT bad and otherwiste you can always put on another rom.

In what 'most smartphone aspects' would the Z1 be 'far better'?

For me:

G2>Z1:

Battery

Wifi/connection strength

Custom roms

Debatable (for me the G2 is better then the Z1 in these aspects, but other people might feel different):

Screen (Better colors for G2, larger, better viewing angles but other people seem to like the more 'natural'' colors of the Z1.)

Form factor (You do feel the difference in your pockets/hands wrt size)

Camera (Z1 has way more potential though, G2 snaps better pics for me for the quick snap)

Z1>G2:

Build (Still like the Z1 looks and materials a lot and waterproof is a plus)

Software (although G2 software works fine for me and isn't that terrible, just hope they keep supporting it. Z1 softwea is nice and basic though)

In the end of the day, and yeah this is personal, the G2 seems to take the better 'quick shots'. Sure, G2 might have more noise reduction but if that makes the overall feelf or me better, go ahead. I don't want to be messing around in manual settings and do some postprocessing if I just want to make a quick shot. In the end this is all in the eye of the beholder though, the images I like might not be the ones you like...

Same goes with the screen, the Z1 isn't that bad and if you have no other phones to compare you might not even notice it... But after owning a HTC One and now the LG G2 I just have to say the Z1 screen is a bit disappointing to me (dull, bad viewing angles, no pure whites but that might be a calibration thing).
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
"Reading your anti z1 cam and display posts lately I can only conclude you have a decisive bias towards the g2"

Which is why i've spent over £400 on a Z1 and i've lived with it for over a month where as i've only just purchased a G2? :confused:

"your display experiences aren't indicative of the norm everywhere else"

I don't think i'm the only one....

The Z1, G2 and S4 have good things and bad things about them, this post was showing the camera of all 3 as i own them all.

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[Xperia Z1 General] xplod2841:
Am I the only one thinking that this is a big shame for Sony? I feel ashamed instead of them, in their name! How the hell can some LG (note: I don't have anything against LG, I have their TV and I like some of their products, but I think that Sony is just better in terrms of smartphones) with worse camera sensor beat Z1 which is a "cameraphone" with great sensor? Sony put those large bezels and their excuse was that the sensor itself. I thought that it was worth it but I expected that Z1 will beat the c*ap out of any other phone (except Lumia 1020) in terms of camera. Not that Z1 should be only better, but waaaay better. This is not a fail of the year, this is a fail of the decade! Shame on you Sony!

I do really hope that they will fix this as soon as possible and that Z1 will have way better photos than G2, SGS4, i5s, SGN3 and others because it has better sensor. Otherwise, Sony will lose lots of trust. Since the first time Z1 was announced, I believed it would be far the best phone, a dream come true. I decided to buy it as soon as arrives in my country. First fail was G2's better screen. Second and a large one was the battery which on G2 lasts almost double the time than Z1 in terms of web browsing (which wouldn't be such a shame that Sony doesn't advertise it's Stamina mode like something special and inovative, and which obviously doesn't nothing). But I still decided to take Z1 because better design and the most important: way better camera. And now the third and a catastrophic fail: G2 takes better pictures!? Sony what the (...) !?

As a SE X10i user currently (waiting for my Z1), I can say that I got the phone that I payed only after I instaled custom kernel and ROM. With that I got a completely different phone; ALL was way better: camera, sound, display, battery life, wi-fi reception etc. How can a few individuals from XDA create better product and software than whole Sony's development team!? I would have vanished from the earth with shame on their place. And I thought that they've learned something but no! They would never learn on their mistakes. If I'm in charge of Sony's company, I would fired their lead developers a long time ago because it seems that they're incompetent and unable to create a decent software product.

The worst thing is that T-Mobile in my country has done something with that SEMC Certificate (I don't know why but I do know that it's impossible to unlock the bootloader, both on Z1 and Z without bricking the devices) so I'll be very limited with ROM's and no possibility with kernels. Even if XDA team does some magic with Z1's camera and gets better battery lastings, I would probably be unable to install that.

To conclude; I do know that any phone has it pros and cons and that there is no ideal phone. But come on, Z1 is a cameraphone. If it has to be the best in something, that is the camera for sure! And they are losing the battle with G2 here. So dissapointing :(
[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
You obviously haven't seen the g2 performing in low light, it's crap to say the least.
[Xperia Z1 General] AndroidNoob22:
Not always 'Brand' matters, LG isn't a bad company but they dint really had the sense on how to make their products but since the nexus have came out LG is rising up slowly and with G2 they have came head-head with companies like Samsung, Htc, Sony, Apple but still many will doubt coz it's 'LG' before getting myself a G2 I had purchased Z1 knowing the display will be sucky and bla bla but all I wanted was the best build quality and camera (dint expected it to be something like DSLR but still it's an epic fail for camera) the camera was most important and what a let down it is once I turned on the camera on Z1 I felt like I shall go and hide below the earth as I boasted about camera so much to my friends before getting this. An update .257 fixed some camera issues but still camera is not very good and after realizing that a few of my friends with me watching videos complain that the display has gone vanished I had realized I'd better return this and get some other device my eyes were on note 3 (I din't had any plans for G2 just coz I was doubtful about 'LG') but in India Samsung is fooling around with a freaky octa core exynos and mali gpu so I rather ignored it, I admit I am a Sony fanboy but their is no point defending them for Z1 as it's not worth. So I thought 100 times and looking the nexus's success I made my mind to go with LG and trust me when I am saying this, I regret thinking LG is a poor company and they have no sense on how to build their products the only place I can not or actually complain is the back glossy plastic but doesn't matters much as I use a quick window case with it so I have no issues with build too as of now all I can expect is Sony pushes some updates specifically for camera so many users cant complain about it and at the end of the day all I can say is "Don't judge a book by it's publisher." ;)
[Xperia Z1 General] gioiellino:
try this with S4 or G2

http://www-static.se-mc.com/blogs.d...-ff2e9376ddadcd7e2ae22602415217b3-940x512.jpg

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try this with S4 or G2

http://www-static.se-mc.com/blogs.d...-ff2e9376ddadcd7e2ae22602415217b3-940x512.jpg
[Xperia Z1 General] dagrim1:
Your point being? Sure, waterproof is a nice feature and gimmick but this topic is about the quality of the photos... Not about being able to take them underwater. (As far as I'd ever need that, the water proof for me is more a matter of not caring if it's raining or not while using my phone... stuff like that).
[Xperia Z1 General] xplod2841:
That's the only thing that makes me happy. My X10 has a great camera too. I'm not a photographer and I don't need some great-super-mega-wow quality but X10 is able to capture great photos outside during daylight. But I can't say the same for taking photos inside during night (with the light turned on); the photos aren't that good. I hope that Z1 will make amazing photos in low light. I was hoping to get xenon flash before it was officialy announced and was a little dissapointed when it appeared with LED flash because I like to take photos when I go out during night with my friends during summer. And till now I've been using SE k800i, it has an amazing xenon flash.

I don't blame LG for it's success, I blame Sony for it's fail :) I boasted the Z1 within my friends as well. They even said that I became boring because I didn't stop talking about it since the first rumours came out months ago. Now when I told them that I ordered one, they told me "We will finally see that miracle of smartphone". And my friend has iPhone 5. If his phone would take better pictures than my Z1 I will have to go and hide below the earth. And then I could sue Sony for mental anguish :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I usually don't have anything against boasting a phone in advertisement by it's company but they should justify every word they said. If they said that it's a cameraphone and it has the best camera, then it should have the best camera. Saying one and then making different will only result in losing people's trust. And I always said: hardware is the only limit. Software should be always created in that way to get the maximum of hardware. Samsung uses the same sensor from Sony from Xperia Z in his SGS4 and has better results. First; the same camera, better results -> Sony has done something wrong. Second, damn, it's Sony's sensor. Sony should be able to create the best software, better than all others, for its sensor.

And I wouldn't call this results from Z1's camera a not decent algorithm or something. Now even it's cons. I would call this a BUG which HAS to be fixed. Leting LG take Z1's place when talking about camera with worse sensor is like having a 5 inch screen and then using only 4 inch and other 1 inch left blank. Z1's camera algorithms simply don't use even a half of the sensor's power. This should be treated as a bug and it should be fixed as soon as possible.
[Xperia Z1 General] gioiellino:
I do not know if the problem is software or hardware, if it is just a matter of algorithms or capture light from the lens. I can make beautiful photos and other horrendous. I've been shooting a dark and starry sky can also see star clusters and nebulae zooming .. incredible. in other instances, the photos are very stippled. I think the hardware has great abilities but something is not right