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[Dell Venue] deltatux:
I've been doing some sleuthing and it seems that we can get the thing rooted, but we need someone to extract the boot.img off from the tablet. Once that's done, we can edit the default.prop.

The default.prop requires the following to be able to run as adb root:

ro.secure = 0
ro.debuggable = 1

This makes the kernel insecure and allows us to use adb root. Unfortunately, I can't find any clear and concise instructions on how to extract the boot.img at all.

Looks like we need to extract the initramfs (ramdisk) from boot.img, edit default.prop, repack boot.img, and flash the new boot.img back to the device. This is the only way to gain root.

That or if there are any developers, someone just needs to recompile CWM or TWRP for x86 and in theory, it should work...

For those brave enough to attempt this, here's the compiling instructions to port CWM to other devices: http://xda-university.com/as-a-developer/porting-clockworkmod-recovery-to-a-new-device

The x86 root archive is here: http://www.bindroidroms.com/site/downloads/viewcategory/7-root

deltatux
[Dell Venue] ayman86:
thanks deltatux for all your hard work. i feel like we are on the verge of getting root. root is all i would need with this.
[Dell Venue] xdajunkman:
Unfortunately, I don't think this is true. deltatux is correct...all you need is the boot.img in order to root any android device with an unlocked bootloader. However, you cannot get the boot.img from a device without root. Unless the manufacturer has released the firmware or it has been otherwise leaked, it is difficult to get your hands on this image. I have been concentrating on trying to modifiy the OTA update file, but having no luck doing anything meaningful. Until a full system update is released and captured, I am not sure that we are going to be able to get this thing rooted. Unless, that is, a real developer takes interest in the device and starts trying things at a more fundamental level. All of the 'easy' root methods for 4.2.2 have been patched by Google or don't work on this device.

Given enough time, we will be able to root this thing. At the very least once a full system update is released (4.3....maybe 4.4) and we get our hands on the boot.img. Getting the bootloader unlocked is the hardest part of getting a device rooted....this has already been done for us. But I don't think that we are really any closer to getting root on this device than when this thread was started.
[Dell Venue] deltatux:
Well technically we can also get the thing rooted if someone's willing to spend time and effort to port and test CWM on the device. I don't have the proper environment set up to do the porting process to the Dell Venue 7/8 but if you're willing, once CWM is ported, you can just flash the normal flash zips and it'll be able to root the device.

I did find the x86 root scripts but it's just that there's no CWM available on the device yet.

You don't need the default.prop to retain root, it's just to allow rooting but if we can find a way to get CWM going and able to push the su binary and SuperSU on to the device, then we'll gain root on the device without needing to extract the boot.img.

deltatux
[Dell Venue] xdajunkman:
In order to port CWM for a device, you still need the boot.img and possibly the recovery image. I have done this before for an older phone...one for which the stock firmware images were released/leaked. You cannot really port CWM without these, unless you have the abillity to write a kernel for the device yourself, among other things.

Again, it comes down to having a real developer interested in the device who has these skills, or waiting for the system images to show up somewhere so us amatuers can get it cracked. I think right now our best bet is keeping an eye on the Dell forums for news when a new system update is released or when the current full system images for the device are released (if ever).
[Dell Venue] Minnetonka4me:
I thank the guys who have looked into rooting the Venue!! I was quite surprised that it has not taken off considering all the deals over black friday and the Hardware vs. price point. I personally paid $131 shipped for a 16gb and so far it has fit all my needs.

I wish I could be of help but about all I can do is cheerlead from the sidelines. I sure hope the device gets some love from the developers!
[Dell Venue] castnorth:
Here here. And it would be even more amazing wit multiple user accounts.
[Dell Venue] deltatux:
Problem is the x86 architecture, it's not as ubiquitous as the ARM architecture. The normal exploits won't work without having them recompiled for the x86 architecture. I might have to see if anyone like the authors of the Motochopper exploit would be interested in helping us by recompiling their exploit for it to work on Android 4.2.2 for x86 tablets.

The ASUS MemoPad FHD 10 and Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 have been successfully rooted, but their rooting methods will not work on these tablets because they require flashing pre-rooted system images. Unfortunately, as you can see from the discussion I've had with xdajunkman is that we have not been successful in extracting such images off from the device to get this working, nor been able to get the boot.img off the system.

Unfortunately, there have been no developers who seemed interested in this device, I would have done more but I don't have the expertise to go further. I think us as a community should see if we can contact the developers to cross-compile their exploits and see if anyone's willing to risk their devices to test them.

EDIT: I've decided to contact djrbliss myself, unfortunately he isn't available for PM through XDA so I emailed him about it instead. Hopefully he'll respond to my inquiries about recompiling his exploit for the x86 architecture. It's just that we need his pwn binary recompiled and then we should be able to deploy this exploit on these Dell Venue tablets.

EDIT 2: I've also contacted MotoDefier who has modified the Motochopper exploit to make it work on Android 4.3, hopefully he'll be kind enough to help us too.

deltatux
[Dell Venue] phlyphish:
Thanks to all

Thanks to all who are working to get these tablets rooted. I'm thrilled with my Venue 7, but have rooted all my devices, and I'm hopeful this won't be an exception.

I bought this device because of it's good specifications, but mostly for the form factor. My ideal size tablet is the Galaxy Tab 3 7.0, but the specs just don't match up to the Venue 7 and the Dell is only a tiny bit bigger than the Tab 3.

Thanks for input on this device in this thread. I also ordered one of the cases listed herein after seeing it in this thread.

So thanks again for all the posts, even if they're not directly related to rooting.
[Dell Venue] cisco3280:
Same here

Waiting as other Venue owners, please Root.

Thanks
[Dell Venue] deltatux:
Even though we're not developers ourselves, it will really help out with the cause if you guys also contact exploit developers and see if they're willing to recompile their exploits. If there's interest, the rooting process will normally come.

I tried contacting them but haven't heard anything yet and hopefully they'll reply to me soon :).

deltatux
[Dell Venue] giveen:
If you guys have a boot.img and a system.img, I wold appreciate an upload.
[Dell Venue] Minnetonka4me:
I understand you guys arent "developers" but I (we...) appreciate guys like you who have the ability to even look into how to root it. If you ever need any Seadoo tech support Im your guy, but have zero knowledge on this stuff.

Ill quit mucking up the thread I just want to show there's plenty of us that like the device and are "rooting" for you.

Oh come on I had to say it. Ill shut up now.
[Dell Venue] xdajunkman:
It appears that Dell has released the source:

http://opensource.dell.com/releases/venue8/

I am putting together the requisite 4.2.2r1 build environment. I don't know if this release contains everything needed to compile the ramdisk, but it looks promising. The kernel is included. With those two, we can make our boot image. Per the discussion above, that should be all we need to get rooted. I have been downloading the android source for about 20 hrs now...will report back once I get the build environment set up and give it a go. Haven't built Android since CM7...will be like old times...
[Dell Venue] deltatux:
That's great news that they finally uploaded the kernel sources.Seeing how it says P801-P706, I'm guessing it's for both the Dell Venue 7 and 8.

deltatux
[Dell Venue] giveen:
I maintain a lot of contacts with Dell and pushed the lawyers to get the source upload :)

I have a full source code available, but we need to pull a boot.img so we can get the init files.
[Dell Venue] deltatux:
They have to regardless due to GPL lol but you know companies are sly about things, thanks for your efforts. Couldn't you build a boot.img from the kernel source?

deltatux
[Dell Venue] giveen:
boot.img are more than just kernel, there are many key components

For example, here is what I built for the Dell Streak 7

https://github.com/ChristophHaag/android_device_dell_streak7/tree/aokp/prebuilts/root
[Dell Venue] deltatux:
Any ideas on how to root the sucker? It's kind of a chicken and egg issue here since we don't have root, thus we can't pull the boot.img. Can't pull boot.img, we can't have root. Unfortunately the known exploits don't work on Intel chips.

deltatux
[Dell Venue] giveen:
WHo wants to be a guinea pig and test this

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=45238573&postcount=9
[Dell Venue] deansouth8:
I agree but you can't totally count him out. He probably does have a lot of crap going on in his life (just like me). I think he has kids too. He seems to be pretty support oriented. Even though you post something there is a certain expectations. Even though you state 1000 times "at your own risk", there's still some one who haunts you and hunts you and he seems pretty widespread on the Internet so if he screws up he may have to go into hiding if he accidentally blows up half the people who use his root method. I'm sure he just wants to have everything together and be able to spend adequate time so he does not blow his reputation.

I also agree that you should not rely too heavily on any one thing.

Be patient! ;)
[Dell Venue] hellios1:
Im not trying to attack jcase or insult, peace ;) I know he has his own reasons but as long as root method is not published we cant say " yes we have root".

Ive spend years on android forums (Lg, Samsung, Htc) and im just surprised by situation here. My point is: holding back such crucial thing as root method = holding back whole development which cant be done without it.

Ok, maybe im just impatient ;)
[Dell Venue] 177aj:
Android System Recovery

I was able to access the Android System Recovery with my dell venue 7 by (Turning off the device, holding power and volume down, selecting recovery from the menu, then holding power and volume up for two seconds then letting go.
[Dell Venue] deansouth8:
If you had root then they usually show up in /cache I think.
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
i got a question for ya, are u rooted when you got the OTA prompt and did it install fully in recovery while you were rooted? also what is your setup if you have root.

for example did you tweak any settings in gravity box, froze any app with titanium, etc, anything that will hinder the installation of the update

im asking cause i have downloaded the update OTA and tried to install to my venue 8 at least 10 times all failures when it tries to install in recovery

as a last resort i know i can manually delete some of the tweaks i have that might interfere with the process but im just checking first
[Dell Venue] NotQuiteANoob:
That explains something for me. I had root under 4.2.2. I lost it with the 4.3 update *but* AVG antivirus still reports that I am rooted even though I'm not functionally. Su must still be there. I have dell venue 8
[Dell Venue] NotQuiteANoob:
Is this for me? i.e. NotQuiteANoob?

If so, I had gained root (via the method posted here) when I was on 4.2.2 but the OTA upgrade to 4.3 wiped that out. Root checker says I'm not rooted now and nothing that requires root e.g. Titanium BU, etc work now either. I was just commenting that when I installed AVG yesterday, the scan result reported I was rooted even though I'm not and I assume it's because some of the previous root related files/directories must still be there.
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
i think i tried a complete regular factory reset and tried flashing it but no go, imma the fastboot method a lil later after im done saying farewell to root for the moment and my dear dear lucky patcher app.
[Dell Venue] gary93:
Some games crash on the 4.3 Rom. I think some other mention it has to do with the graphic.
[Dell Venue] sfleury:
ThIs was discussed back in late December (not sure which post but it highlights the line number), the copy of the 4.3 update script I have seen resets permissions on everything below /system, so although it doesn't remove the su binary it removes the suid,guid bits and renders it effectively useless.
[Dell Venue] rener78:
I feel the same he could just post what he has and share it here then we could continue our help him out.

Envoyé de mon Venue 7 3730 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Dell Venue] NotQuiteANoob:
I assume People have seen this and question from a Noob.

[GUIDE] Dell Venue 7/8 Unlocked Bootloader

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2551863

My question is once you extract intelandroiddrvsetup 1.15, and choose android_winusb.inf

There are 3 choices.

Android ADB Interface

Android Bootloader Interface

Android Composite ADB Interface

Can someone explain what the 3 different driver options are for or how each is used with adb & fastboot?

Also FYI, jcase suggested to someone that had a rooted 4.2.2 V8 but lost it to the OTA update to 4.3 that "both the debug root and the TwerkMyMoto will work on it" (message 380 in this thread). Maybe this will help one of you rocket scientist figure this out.
[Dell Venue] jp0555:
I couldn't update for a few times either. Factory reset just deletes /data, which means you still have root. Just download super su or whatever and go to the settings and click complete unroot. I could then upgrade.
[Dell Venue] social-design-concepts:
so of no fault but my own i left my email address exposed on my profile and would appear several people following this forum have been emailing me over the past couple weeks expressing their view that i made this forum difficult to read and my post as one a**hole put it the rambling of a deaf, mute, autistic, retard.

to anyone who felt my post and you getting notifications about them a waste and made it hard for you to follow i extend my apology. i removed all my previous post and i wont be posting anything further to this thread unless it is a working root method.

to the a**hole that called my posts the rambling of a death, mute, autistic, retard. go F!%@ YOURSELF

my daughter suffers from autism, my older brother suffers from mental retardation, my cousin is deaf you really didn't need to spread your hate to my inbox. hope you suffer gangrene of the penis.

to the rest of you hopefully one day we will have root.
[Dell Venue] deansouth8:
So that happened.:what:
[Dell Venue] kairnage:
They would have to have one first. Since only little *****es with no balls send that kind of stuff they likely are lacking all across the board. Don't let them get to you. if they were on fire they wouldn't be worth the piss to pout them out.
[Dell Venue] NotQuiteANoob:
Any recommendations on how to create a full backup including data & settings on V8?

I tried a method using the SDK ADB using a tutorial on How to Geek.

I also followed a method using "Ultimate Backup Tool v2.0 - Full backup without root" from here in xda.

Every time I get the same error "adb unable to connect for backup".

I tried it while in normal android os, while in droidboot, and while in recovery with each of the different intel atom usb drivers i.e. :

Android composite ADB interface

Android ADB Interface

Android Composite ADB interface

What am I missing? Does anybody have a verified way to do a full backup and restore on Dell V8 that was previously rooted on 4.2.2 and OTA updated to 4.3 that includes apps, data and settings?

TIA.
[Dell Venue] hefftone:
[MENTION=4821597]social-design-concepts[/MENTION]

You should not let yourself be offended by someone dumb enough to get upset about any content after subscribing to a thread with over 50,000 views and over 500 replies and . I have found your posts to be generally constructive and conducive to the topic at hand. Its unfortunate how distastefully tactless some people are while insulting others with whole bunch of internet in between them.

Dell Venue 8 (JB-4.3_1.16)
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
[MENTION=5687490]jp0555[/MENTION] I tried the full unroot with supersu and I'm now Unrooted but OTA still a no go man I really don't wanna have to wipe data and all that good stuff cause it's a pain getting all my good apps back..... Oh well wouldn't be the first time im ready!

BTW what are some drawbacks people are getting with 4.3 update besides root issue just some general information anyone had noticed
[Dell Venue] NotQuiteANoob:
You can't get hotmail/outlook.com email with the standard email app anymore.
[Dell Venue] kairnage:
for me none so far. Antutu and quadrant are a little higher. The only thing i have noticed is the wireless hdmi is not as good as some of my other tablets, but to be fair they were designed to be more media devices.
[Dell Venue] pbmaxz:
I've noticed that my V8 is slightly less stable on 4.3 and some games have graphics issues. Apps seem to crash a bit more often, but I have no real data to back this up and it's not enough that it annoys me.
[Dell Venue] chairsz:
hmm so far to me then it looks like 4.3 isnt bringing nothing to the table i really need that isnt in 4.2.2....

higher benchmarks is always good as well but this device to me is fast enough to run anything thrown at it so.

on another note, on the road to 4.3 i tried to manually install the update file xdajunkman linked in the other venue 8 thread, i got the small 6 MB file to install and then tried the larger 133 MB file, to no avail, but now i noticed 2 good/bad things, 1. my version number changed to 1.39.... from version 1.32_130911 and 2. wireless display option is back in display settings.

So after this i then tried a few rounds of manually updating and OTA and nada..... seems i have 2 choices now, sell the venue for another device or return to dell for a replacement and deal with all the other stuff thats missing for now till we get a custom rom and kernel. or get a lemon.

forgive the rambling im just venting, i think ill hold on to it for a while longer till im 100% fed up with dell rather than now im just about 50% annoyed.
[Dell Venue] kairnage:
what games/apps? I'll see if I have the same issues.
[Dell Venue] pbmaxz:
Asphalt 8, for one. Riptide GP2 also had weird issues with the water turning black, but that may be due to an update for intel processors they had around the same time too. Chrome seems less stable - I get occasional hangs and crashes.
[Dell Venue] gary93:
Grand theft auto San Andreas too. It crash when it starts to load the game.
[Dell Venue] deansouth8:
Where did you get you're copy from? It's not available on the Play Store?
[Dell Venue] kairnage:
Yeah but it did that on 4.2 as well. It's an issue with x86 processor architecture. I am looking more at games/apps that worked better under 4.2.

Riptide had graphics issues for me under 4.2, look like the same now. I am downloading Asphalt 8 now. Backstab force closed on me in 4.2 looks good so far under 4.3.
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
Any word from our Dell friend?
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
Thanked?
[Dell Venue] gary93:
O besides game, there's glitch with flipboard, too. It use to be fine reading portrait but since 4.3 the text is not in place.
[Dell Venue] social-design-concepts:
the lucky person or persons with rooted 4.3

the lucky person or persons with rooted 4.3 Venue 8, ill even take it from a root 4.2.2 for reference. please

maybe you could be so kind as to run this and send the output

su

echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/kptr_restrict

cat /proc/kallsyms > /data/local/tmp/kallsyms.txt
[Dell Venue] uan:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ue-8-is-back-16gb-for-129-99-32gb-for-159-99/

V8 on sale again. Hope it will reach to more dev.
[Dell Venue] 177aj:
Asphalt 8

I can rut asphalt 8 buy there is a problem with the graphics.
[Dell Venue] vilehost:
just turn down the graphics settings in asphalt, default settings will look like that.

im trying to get n64droid to run, default snes for arm does fine but no 64
[Dell Venue] sic-ever:
Guys, I don't think if this is the right thread for discussion about games and graphics problems.
[Dell Venue] hunterk11:
This thread is about the v8 though, and everyone on xda who wants to talk about it comes here, as we don't (as far as I know) have our own section yet. If our dell friend comes back or sees these he may be able to get the dell devs to push a fix for us *he thinks hopefully*
[Dell Venue] kairnage:
If you read the pertinent parts of the thread it isn't about games and graphics but problems going from 4.2 to 4.3. While not entirely on topic it is valid discussion while we wait. 3 posts in 4 years and you waste one playing forum police?
[Dell Venue] wowbro:
I was able to upgrade to 4.3 just fine via check for new update. I am just waiting for KitKat that supposedly is coming in March. Hopefully one of us figures out how to root it and be able to dual boot Windows 8 and KitKat :)
[Dell Venue] social-design-concepts:
Where did you get this kitkat rumor. If that's true I put my bet on between the 10th and 15th. But I doubt Intel would push kitkat to older SOCs before the baytrail tablets hit the market. That's just not a good business model for Intel.

I'm wondering if the first baytrail android to launch will be a Google Nexus 64bit Android is a big deal, so you would think the first 64bit Android device would be a Google flag ship device say a Nexus 8, 4cores 4GB DDR3 64GB storage Android 64bit priced at $299.

Just to confirm both the Venue 8 and Venue 7 are now on JB4.3 V1.16?
[Dell Venue] wowbro:
I heard that rumor from other users on here. Then I went ahead and called dell support and they told me tit will be available by the end of march. I also doubt there will be a tablet with just android and those specs. Talk about a overkill...

Not sure about the V7 and JB4.3 V1.16
[Dell Venue] social-design-concepts:
If you look a evolutionary trends of tablet those specs are modest, 2core 2GB 16GB are now low end devices shoot 4core 2GB 32GB are almost the standard now. So I don't feel my specs are over kill. My price is wishful thinking but I think the specs are realistic.

Still doubt the Venue 8 or 7 getting kitkat at least that soon, if the Samsung or Asus got updated to kitkat I'd be more hopeful of the Venue 7 and Venue 8 getting it next month.

I suspect they might be referring to the venue 8 pro getting kitkat as it baytrail, knowing what I know from tablet manufactures we sell.

<-- asked to remove by manufacture -->

What version is your venue running?
[Dell Venue] social-design-concepts:
looks as if the Dell are the only non-rooted clovertrails still.
[Dell Venue] streak4m3:
Probably will get KitKat in April. Read it a while ago somewhere. Could be end of March but more likely April.
[Dell Venue] social-design-concepts:
I just don't see it happening unless Samsung and the Asus get it next month, I've searched the net everywhere and outside of users in this forum, no credible sources are reporting it even as a rumor. not saying its not gonna happen the Dell is a flagship device for Intel, but i suspect Samsung or Asus would of been give first to market rights to KitKat from Intel over Dell its just the way back door deals work.
[Dell Venue] 177aj:
Hidden Phone Feature

Hey Guy

I have found a hidden phone feature on the dell venue 7.

Just (Settings > About Tablet > Software Version (Tap 3 Times Quickly)

I will post my Tablet Info and pic of phone app in attachment.