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[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Shander:
WOW!!! No cutout for the proximity sensor! I think I will switch to this one (I currently have Glass-M, but the cutout gathers huge amount of all sorts of ****).

Google translated text from amazon page above:

Moreover, due to dimensional accuracy strict and full flat structure which eliminated the opening of the proximity sensor part, to achieve unity further a housing, and shut out the dust that tends to accumulate step, gap, or opening, to Xperia Z1 always I keeps beautiful best.​

You mentioned a cutout for a flash. Does it mean that the lens are covered? If yes, could you provide links?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
The seller I bought my three from is currently out of stock. but here is another one

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/BB4-2-5D-Bac..._Screen_Protectors&hash=item4d14a8e81c&_uhb=1

And no the camera isn't covered theres a cutout for both flash and camera.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Curetia:
I got my Nillkin (bought from: http://www.ebay.de/itm/131040240952?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649) today, but I'm not verry happy about it because one edge is not applied to the screen:

I applied it in my bathroom while hot water is on and there is no dust between the screenprotector and the Display but the edge looks like crazy and I didnt do anything than applying it on my display, all was fine at the first attempt except the edge :(

I mailed the seller an hope that there will be a solution for my problem, because I think the protector was damaged before I applied it at my phone.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Baluds:
Has anybody researched what type of glass is covering our phones? maybe we could leave it as is with out the screen protector like gorilla glass.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
Most accepted answer is dragon trail glass. You could leave it as is, but since Sony puts that asf on, the front glass doesn't have a nice smooth feel.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Baluds:
Dragon Trail Glass...

Dragon Trail Glass? Then why did Sony put the ASF on the glass. Ain't dragon trail as good as gorilla? and is shatter and scratch resistant already? :confused:
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] aed0101:
I have experience with both Glass-M and Nillkin. My phone dropped on the second day after installing Glass-M and I had to order Nillkin as there was no stock for Glass-M ATM.

Glass-M is slightly thinner, but difference is hardly noticeable. They are the same size. Completely equal. So far they both look and feel equally great.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
Lol yep no one really know why Sony put the asf on. Many have asked they say it adds strength and protects the user from shattered glass, but tempered glass does this already.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] shteren:
Excatly wrong... Tempered glass is great against scratches and frontal impacts, but is more fragile than normal glass when hit from the side or has a small crack, you can't have it all... So asf can supposedly help with that part aswell
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
Well considering the ASF doesnt cover the whole screen never mind wrap around the sides, your point of side impact is mute. If you have ever shattered a tempered glass screen protect you would know that the shards stay together and do fly off. Sony could have built that layer onto the screen eliminated the need for that horrible ASF film, that scratches easy and has a horrible feel. Gorilla glass or Dragon-trail are both 5-6 times stronger and more scratch resistant than normal glass. The rumour was that Sony used dragon-trail but they have never officially said who makes their glass. The only excuse or reason I could see is that they are afraid that the glass they used will break into shards and injure people if broken, a piece of plastic that is glued on that doesn't cover the edges can't give it more strength, but it does add a cheap feel and a nice layer of scratch prone material that's for sure lol
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] shteren:
Actually it can if the sound velocity in the asf is faster I.E. The suspension in that material is lower, energy (phonon pressure waves) will flow through the asf rather than the glass taking off the edge from it, and preventing cracks...
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] geomos:
Goodmorning from Greece. I have just received my glass-m screen protector. I am amazed by the build guality and the package it comes in.

I applied it directly on the asf, the feeling is equal to a new gorilla glass screen, my fingers just flow with no problem, is easily cleaned from fingertips and is perfectly clear. A must have for all z1 owners. Also with the krussel color cover case it fits the dk31 easily.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] don_rico:
Improvement

Hi there, today I applied the Glass-M. That went very well (better than the plastic ones) feels real smooth and screen looks "better" in a way.

On company page it states that its Gorilla..... not sure about that, Well shall see how it holds.

Good choice for me!
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] geomos:
I know that it's brand new but the oleophobic coating on the glass m is amazing! Super slippery and it cleans with a simple pass with a cloth.

I'm considering buying another one and hide it in a drawer for later.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Rubenos:
I want to order this one:

http://www.crystal-armor.com/#!/items/527c6e78236a1e650f000477

Just the back, I already got a Nilkin from dx-box.

As you can see, it's not very readable, could I order this for shipment to the Netherlands?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Shander:
I've recently heard (I have no official confirmation, though), that the ASF on the back and front glass panes was a requirement to get this phone IP58 Certified.

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Apart from the above I bring you some news regarding my Glass-M screen protector!

Today my phone fell on the ground for the first time.. Time literally slowed down when in terror I watched it nearing floor tiles in my bathroom, petrified and unable to react. It fell flat on it's "face". I've seen a dozen films on YT, and every time the screen was shattered after such fall... I've picked it up and saw cracks. My heart stopped.

After a moment utter of panic I looked more closely. The screen was unscathed. The protector took the whole blow! :D

I'm a bit sad that I've lost my protector, but the alternative could be far worse. And now, without any remorse or regret I can get myself a Crystal Armor protector (http://www.crystal-armor.com/#!/items/5291cf428a56105df40007b0) - the one without a proximity sensor hole. I'm really curious if it will work correctly. For 4200 JPY it better be :).
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Rubenos:
Is it true that that protector costs €40,-?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] funky0308:
As I said on other thread - bought Nillkin SP (tempered glass) - it applies without water.

I put it on Sony protectors (front and back), I didn't peel original SP down.

I'm very, very happy with it...

The feeling is awesome, protection is great and I love it.

Front and back protection - best protector I ever had (and I tried almost all from ebay :D)

Sent from my Z1
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Shander:
You mean the Crystal Armor? They are between 3675 - 6300 JPY (~26 - ~44,5 EUR) depending on the chosen variant (0,33mm front; 0,33mm back; 0,33mm front+back; 0,2mm front). Check out their website http://www.crystal-armor.com/

The back cover is a plastic film, isn't it?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] cenasecoisas:
Hey guys,

I'm having some doubts about which tempered glass I should buy. So between glass-M and spigen glas.tr, which one is better in your opinion?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Shander:
Hey there cenasecoisas! In my opinion, you have to think what "better" means to you? :) There are several factors you could take into consideration:

protector hardness (how much force has to be used to make it crack)

protector scratch resistance (how hard - in Mohs scale - an object needs to be to put a scratch on it)

price (including shipment)

availability

other (preferential things such as: a cutout for camera/proximity sensor, thickness, etc.)

Points 1 and 2

We can rely only on the info provided by the manufacturers, as I do not know anyone who have conducted independent tests, to confirm/deny this. Perhaps someone here owned both and can tell you something more about them? I have Glass-M protector and I can tell you that - although it cracked - it served its purpose by protecting my screen. Even this can be understood in two ways:

NEGATIVE: It cracked so it is not very good (i.e. Spigen might have survived the impact with the tiles)

POSITIVE: It protected the screen beneath (i.e. Spigen due to it's hardness relayed so much force down to the screen that it cracked instead)

P.S. Both Glass-M and Spigen have the same hardness and scratch resistance properties "on paper".

Point 3

I guess the lower the better. Keep in mind that your protector WILL get scratched/damaged in time, just like a regular screen would do. If for some reason you would need to change the protector to a new one, each one saves you more and more money. For some people money is not the issue, though. Not sure how it is in your case. Glass-M is certainly cheaper.

Point 4

This is a tricky one. Both Glass-M and Spigen will be shipped from Asia, from Hong-Kong and Japan respectively. This again might be good or bad depending on the location of your residence. Additionally, as you might have noticed, Spigen GLAS.t R Slim is available only on their Japanese website (don't know the reason).

Point 5

Things that are not a problem for some, might be pivotal in decision making for others. I for example would love if there was no cutout for a proximity sensor, as it tends to collect all sort of debris. If I knew about Crystal Armor glass protector earlier (the only one I know that doesn't have any holes), I might have gone for this one instead. Thickness on the other hand, could be considered preferential or as an indication that a given protector is harder to crack (which might not be true). I prefer it to be as thin as possible, so it doesn't stand out too much.

P.S. Both Glass-M and Spigen have a cut-out for a proximity sensor, however Glass-M is thinner (0,2mm vs 0,4mm).

I hope this is helpful in some way :)
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Furma:
but does proximity sensor work properly if there is no cutout for him?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Shander:
To be honest I'm not sure. I thought that a cutout is a must, but apparently it is not. I've heard that some people had a problem with such protectors in Xperia Z, but someone created an app that solved this problem. Xperia Z1 is newer so the sensor might be better.

Also, the Crystal Armor specifically say the following in the product description (translated with Google Translator):

For me, this is enough to make a purchase. And I will do so, as soon as I receive my paycheck :).
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] :
Would you mind posting your experiences once you've managed to get a hold of that? I'm still waiting to get my Z1 from repairs and I'm guessing I'll probably need to get a new screen protector for it so I might hold out too if this one proves good.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] cenasecoisas:
Thanks it was really helpful. Really well explained :good:

Just a last question: is it really more probable that the hardness/thickness of spigen can damage the z1 if it falls?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Shander:
Sure thing! :)

No problem. I was glad to help. As for your question: no, I just made it up, so you could see that without enough data everything is a speculation :). Both manufacturers say these screens are 9H, which is their scratch resistancy. There is no info on the acual sturdiness of the material. Since the process of creating tempered glass is well known, I imagine they are not much different. Please note that the hypotetical situation where a protector survives and your screen cracks, although very unlikely, might happen. This is simple physics, where two tightly adjecent bodies carry a force applied on one of them to the next. This is Newton's Third Law of Dynamics I believe. The crack on either surface (protector or screen) represents force dispersal.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Miguel Pereira:
Hey all!

I've just received a z1 as a replacement for mau xperia S and I'm looking for these tempered glass protection.

I've seen those japanese ones you talk, and I was thinkinh in buying one, but do you know if they shipp to Europe? I cannot seem to find anything in english on theyr website...

Thanks!
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Shander:
I've contacted them regarding this matter, and got a response:

I've then added my concerns regarding the shipping price:

And got a following response:

I don't know if it's me being polite and preemptively asking about the problems this might cause them or if it's just their policy and they are not too much concerned about the shipping price. I guess it would be the best, if you would ask them yourself.

As for the ordering itself, the best you can do is to translate their webpage to English (I don't know about different web browsers, but Chrome asks me about translating website every time it is not in English or Polish), and proceed with the order.

I hope this helps a bit.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] cenasecoisas:
Thank you :D

Now I'm kinda undecided between which screen protector I should choose ^^

Once you receive the crystal armor, please do your review. I'm afraid that the lack of a cutout for the sensor and the absence of a cutout for the flash may somehow mess up the pictures
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Shander:
There is no cutout for the flash light because this particular glass we're talking about is fo the front only. The ones for the back that Crystal Armor provide do have a cutout for camera and flash light. They are a bit thicker, however.

In my e-mail to Crystal Armor I've asked if the glass without cutiuts could potentially be used for the back. They replied that there would be no problems as long as you are not using a flash light. When you are using the light, it is unfortunately reflected by the glass surface, thus the picture would get distorted.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Furma:
when removing ASF, and if you are watching this tutorial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzxq-90NUIY

be sure NOT to stick the scalpel/knife in the opening at the top - i did that and now i have a cracked screen

i didnt even apply that much force.. so, how hard is it to replace the front glass? :(
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Shander:
I feel sorry for you, man :(. Kind of worst Christmas present imaginable...

I'm not sure you can replace just the glass surface. It is more probable that you will have to change the whole digitizer module. Here is one: http://www.witrigs.com/oem-complete...er-replacement-parts-for-sony-xperia-z1-black. Now you can try to replace it yourself, or you can ask 3rd party service to do it for you, though it will cost you extra for their work.

Some time ago, I've managed to replace a digitizer and a back cover in my iPhone 3GS. Man, it was pain in the ass. Took me the best part of a Saturday. And that is with special tools I received in the package and YT tutorial. Be sure to do this in well lit area, otherwise, you might have problems with screws and other small parts (I used one of these: http://images.bidorbuy.co.za/user_images/525/2126525/2126525_120720113048_headlamp1.jpg).

I wish you luck in replacing your screen!
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Zerousen:
Eh, iPhones are a piece of cake to replace. I do it all the time. I cringe at the thought of having to do anything like that with my Z1, though...
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] firestorm8880:
I've got my hands on the 0.2mm front Crystal armor cover - had someone buy it in Japan for me, my god it is thin and that anti-fingerprint coating really works. Based on the instructions (and my limited understanding of Japanese) - they don't remove the ASF! However, looks like most people here do. Can anyone who's tried confirm this?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Furma:
i'll have to pay half the price of Z1 for screen replacement :crying::crying::crying::crying:
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Zerousen:
I don't think it'd be an issue whether it's off or on, but i heard that those with touch issues have it worse with the ASF off. Personally I'm going to just keep mine on, as it doesn't bother me in any way. Wish I could get myself one of those Crystal armors, but I live in the US and 40 bucks for a screen protector is a price I would be reluctant to pay.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] firestorm8880:
Ah ic. I'll give it a try with the ASF on (don't have a scalpel at home anyway), and post here after. should work...

EDIT: Tested. Stuck on pretty well, and you can barely tell its there. However, since its another layer for the light to pass through, it feels like the display has been slightly...refracted? Not sure how to put it. The olephobic coating they have is amazing - i can use my finger to wipe off streak marks left by my finger (sounds contradictory, I know). Also feels extremely smooth, so overall quite happy. Now to find the back cover...
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] nomadbass:
Has anybody applied the laminated glass only (removing the asf) without experiencing problems with the touchscreen?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Furma:
I am experiencing almost no problems with touchscreen after removing ASF

I am not even using any protection..

but I did brake the screen while trying to remove ASF, and now top of the screen is cracked - only issue is there is no touchscreen sensitivity on the top (I cant pull down notification area while in portrait)

also sometimes the screen doesnt react or reacts weirdly (registers multiple touches)

^I think all of those problems are due to cracked screen and not cause of removed ASF..
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
Yes no problems at all
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] nomadbass:
and what temoered glass did you use? I just received the glass-m and i want to remove the asf because its scratched, but i am afraid of the touch problems if I do, nor would i like buying a screen protector just to find out i dont need it!:rolleyes:
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
right now I have the glass-m on. If you want to take it off go ahead i did it on my xperia z and zl as well not touch screen issues. I would still put a protector on since Sony glass doesn't have an anti fingerprint coating. And all glass is susceptible to scratches so put the glass-m on its super thin you won't even notice its there.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] nomadbass:
Ok, so I finally did it, I removed the ASF (not difficult at all, I did with mi fingernails, wich by the way I think is safer than using a knife) and applied the Glass-M and... I don´t have any touch screen problems! :D in fact I would say it feels better than before. Thanks!
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
Ya I have not had any touch screen issues at all, plus it look sleek without the sony logo. I have no idea why people are using knives to take off the ASF. I just got my Girlfriend to do it with her nails.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] braveally:
Question about the Nillkin, the instructions says there is a protective layer over the front, but that doesn't seem to be the case on the glass. Can anyone else confirm this, just wanna be sure I'm not forgetting anything.

The glass-m was a lot easier to apply and I got a stand if hair caught under the protector under the bezel so I'm not to happy with this.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
there should be two tabs one labeled 1 and the other 2
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] braveally:
There wasn't. Just one tab for the sticky portion and nothing on the top. The extra sticker used to adjust it did not remove any top it doesn't seem as if there is a top layer, just unusual compared to the other protectors I've used
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
Maybe a mistake or something happened during the packaging. You would know if it was there. As long as it's not scratched or anything I wouldn't worry about it.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] sneaky55121:
Hi,

What reference of case are you using?

---------- Post added at 07:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:45 AM ----------

Hi,

What reference of case are you using?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Gummianka:
Just applied the Nillkin protector, awesome feel and super clear. I'm really happy with it!
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Geoffxx:
I fitted a Nilkin that had a stain on it (manufacturing defect) I had already removed the ASF but when I was removing the Nilkin glass screen protector I did exactly the same thing at you - my nail went too deep and I didn't realise I was under the LCD screen (just where the Notification LED is) and broke the screen - currently waiting on my replacement LCD to arrive along with all the adhesive gaskets to reseal the phone, I expect to be doing this job within the next 5 days so if you need any tips I'd be happy to share

Can't believe how stupid I was with my finger nail lol
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] rpcherrera:
[MENTION=1213725]nill[/MENTION]kin glass tempered users,

Where did you guys bought it? Im choosing between this and the spigen glastR but it is almost twice the price
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] Gummianka:
I bought it on eBay for $16, was delivered within a week.

Forgot to mention, put it on top of the ASF and touch response is unaffected.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] rpcherrera:
Just ordered one on Amazon. Can't wait!:fingers-crossed:
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
ClairVue on sale for 13.99 right now !!!! free shipping
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] 1337rice:
So I got the Crystal Armor 0.33mm front screen protector. OP can update the front page since there weren't any pics for it.

The LAXURY packaging (also got a Simplism translucent white case)

To show thickness

Cloth is provided to wipe screen.

Fits with the Simplism case that protrudes to the front edges (it doesn't touch anyways)

Oleophobic coating works fine, don't know about the durability of both the coating and how resistant it is to hairline scratches caused by fingernails, cloth, etc.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] El.Guaje:
Where did you buy it please?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] 1337rice:
http://www.strapya-world.com/products/68592.html
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] sneaky55121:
Hello,

Please could you please post more photos of the Simplism case at different angles, what could you say abot this case?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] 1337rice:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=49068210&postcount=356
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] sneaky55121:
Thank you, but I would appreciate if you can upload more photos
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] 1337rice:
In what way? I got front and back already covered...gotta be more specific
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] aeron16:
Does it still fit into the magnetic dock if you stick the .33 protectors on front and back?
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] 1337rice:
I didn't buy the dock so I can't answer your question. Otherwise, I would've mentioned about it :p
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] aeron16:
Lol Np thanks anyway!
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] sneaky55121:
I would like to see is each side of the cell with the housing set in order to analyze the connector holes, and also the back but with the housing set.

Thank you.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] 1337rice:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=49081760&postcount=360

and post your replies there, since this thread is about glass and not the case
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] sneaky55121:
Great!, thank you very much, do you know if the case is available in black transparent

I have an Xperia Z1 in black, so, I I think it will look better.

Again thank you very much
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] jeroendh:
The coating on my Nillkin seems to be less good than when I bought them.

Fingerprints are less easy to remove then before. I need to whip more with my t-shirt to remove all the fingerprints.

But overall I still happy with my Nillkin Glass protector.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
I've had the tempered glass on the front and the back and it still fits in my charger, but it an ebay one not official.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bertmansk:
Meanwhile, mine doesn't fit in MY ebay charger. I have the glass-m .2mm on the front and regular plastic film in the back. It's a gamble I guess.
[Xperia Z1 Accessories] bodson66:
I'm using the larger spacer on my charger did yours come with two plastic pieces. If so the use the larger one and see if that works.