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[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
Thanks OP. I forgot how much I paid for my device. Oh wait, I paid $399. Maybe start another thread for the ones who paid $399?
[Nexus 5 General] foxmeister:
Well that, and the Google subsidy which is rumoured to be around $100.

Regards,

Dave

---------- Post added at 12:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:09 PM ----------

How do you work that out?

My 32gb N5 was £339 in the UK. Exclude the VAT, and that gives £282.5, which is around $430.

Regards,

Dave
[Nexus 5 General] djricorich:
I said this same similar argument in my Nexus 5 central community

https://plus.google.com/108008736940592951669/posts/6KVfveQDFxz
[Nexus 5 General] lowandbehold:
If you are using the retail cost of the phone as to justify defects..you are an idiot. Look at the production cost of the Nexus compared to other high end phones. It is basically right in line. Just because Google isn't searching for an 80% profit doesn't mean defects shouldn't be complained about. The OP is clearly new to the Nexus line...
[Nexus 5 General] kimtyson:
I totally agree with the OP. All the spoiled, entitled people that think this phone isn't a great bargain are just crazy. It doesn't matter what you paid for it in whatever country you live in. Compare it to other phones of equal price. Apples to apples. The Nexus 5 hits it out of the park in comparison. Of course it's not a name brand top of the line phone. That isn't what the Nexus program is all about. There's a reason this phone is sold out in hours. A lot of us want to take advantage of the bargain. So all of you whiners should sell off your phone if you don't want it. You will get top dollar, I assure you. Go crap on the other threads.
[Nexus 5 General] avocco:
I am really satisfied. Even though in my opinion the screen, speakers, microphone, bluetooth and camera was better on the HTC One. I even miss the IR functionality.

But even after all that I find myself loving the Nexus 5. I think the main frustration of mine was gaming performance on the HTC One.

I'm not even talking 3D intensive games. It didn't throttle properly on 2D games making them stutter which is extremely annoying on a flagship phone.
[Nexus 5 General] cas8180:
I don't think he is trying to justify complaining about defects. As I do tend to agree with your argument there. Its all the other nit picky arguments out there where people are literally dissecting the phone as if they all suffer from hyper ocd!
[Nexus 5 General] aimetti:
to each their own,

nexus 5 is a great phone but has some serious short comings. Personally Im trading my nexus 5 for a used mint htc dev one + $200 cash.

For me personally , id rather have the speakers and battery life of my previous htc one. Especially with the google edition kit kat coming shortly.
[Nexus 5 General] marleyfan61:
Production costs are meaningless to the consumer. I don't even know what the production cost of the N5 is, or of any other phone. Do you? The only price that has any meaning to the consumer is the price they can purchase the product for. To expect to get exactly the same components, quality, and workmanship in a $350 product as you do in a $650 product is unreasonable.

For what you get with the N5 at the price is is incredible value. Too many people are picking the best component from various devices and comparing them with the N5 components. You are simply not going to get the best of everything in a device that everybody else sells for $250 more. And even THEY don't have the best of everything.

If the speaker is your biggest complaint then I think you are just looking for something to complain about and should throw more money at another phone. For example the N5 stacks up very well aginst the HTC One but everyone says "but the One has an amazing speaker." That may be true and an important factor if that's what you need. I considered the One until I realize that except for ringtone and alarm, I never use the speaker. Ever.

So if battery life is your biggest issue, get the G2. If speaker quality is your biggest issue, get the One. If camera is your biggest issue, get the Nokia whatever. However if value for your money is your biggest issue, I challenge you to find a better phone than the Nexus.

Please note that all of this is my opinion and is based on everything I've read, and I've read a lot. I don't even have my phone yet. Sadly.
[Nexus 5 General] lwfb:
I agree with this.

The retail cost of the phone is irrelevant when you take manufacturing cost into consideration.

Yes, Google is retailing the phone pretty close to the manufacturing cost, but the cost to make it is in line with other flagship's. When you acknowledge that, there really is no argument for lowering expectations because it retails so low.

Check this out:

http://www.techwalls.com/production-costs-of-smartphones/

According to this chart, a GS4 cost Samsung $244 to build. I'm sure an HTC One and LG G2 are in the same range, considering they probably bank on a 50% profit margin (give or take). The Nexus 5 is likely around the same price, if not a little lower. There's no good reason why we should accept defects when the cost to make is in the same ballpark with industry leading smartphone manufacturers.

Yes, it's a great phone at a great price, but don't assume that QC should be disregarded by the consumer because of the price you paid for it.
[Nexus 5 General] rcook55:
My thoughts are that it's actually a $432 phone ;) Still $432 for an unlocked 32Gb phone that I can do whatever I want to without question and without having to wait on AT&T to pull it's head from ass concerning updates etc? Worth it. Now if it would just ship already :laugh:

QTY	ITEM	PRICE: 1

Nexus 5 (32GB, Black): $399.00

Shipping: $9.99

Tax: $23.94

Total$: 432.93
[Nexus 5 General] jimlad:
Moaners gonna moan..

Don't like the device? Then take it back and stop bringing every one down with your whining.

I like the device, it's a great improvement on the galaxy nexus I used for two years the price of 350 Euros is great.
[Nexus 5 General] lowandbehold:
I am completely fine with my phone. Do you think the factory foreman are like "OK guys, this phone is only going to be $350, so don't worry about quality". No. You can't just stay mute about issues. The Nexus cameras have sucked for the past couple years. People complained, and now we have a halfway decent camera.
[Nexus 5 General] marleyfan61:
Are there any major complaints about production quality tho? For the most part people are saying it's a solidly built phone. There will be some quality issues with certain units of any phone. I think people or more complaining about the quality level of the components in the phone, expecting top level components at a bottom level price.

And when I said "you" I meant it in the general sense. Sorry if it sounded like I was targeting my statements at you specifically.
[Nexus 5 General] lowandbehold:
The components are very high quality. And I don't think there are widespread quality issues aside from the rattling power button. But, that is a legitimate issue..
[Nexus 5 General] YogiYahooeys:
I understand what you're saying, but if I can't hear the ringtone or notification tones, it doesn't matter if I paid $10; it's not of very much use to me. I've also been using my phone as my main alarm clock. I could not do so with this device. It would never wake me up.

If they fix the speaker issue, I might agree, but right now, I'm extremely disappointed.
[Nexus 5 General] davy917:
People with quiet speakers I would suggest opening an RMA, my sound is at 75% loudness because more than that is too loud for me. It seems like hardware issue IMO.

In terms of "cutting corners", I'm not sure it's a fair statement. HTC One has a 2300mah battery and S4 a 2600 mah, looks to me Google is at least on par here with battery size. As for speakers I've never liked speaker quality on any smartphone besides my HTC One. BoomSound is in a different class, all others are tiny speakers on the bottom or back of phone. Google is also on par here.

IMO simply amazing for the price, we nit pick just the same with $600+ phones, I wouldn't say Google set us up to be disappointed by stating this as no compromise.
[Nexus 5 General] myorks1127:
My phone is 100% perfect and I love it! I compared it again with a friends galaxy S4 and the lag on that thing is horrible.
[Nexus 5 General] Justinchi:
Now this is a very intriguing statement. I would actually like to see this happen also now that u mention it. Although, I think this is what Google is indirectly doing through Motorola. Things like the Moto X's design personalization and this new Project ARA modular phone concept are the beginning of what I think can be the future in mobile hardware. Project ARA is definitely an innovation in hardware if it materializes.

For more on Project ARA: http://makewithmoto.com/projectara
[Nexus 5 General] [hfm]:
I don't think they will sell enough of those $600+ devices to make it worth the while for them to splinter their nexus focus on more than one disruptive and affordable top tier phone at a time.

I agree Motorola could potentially try this.
[Nexus 5 General] ericshmerick:
$450 all in (tax, shipping) for 32gig.

That's a similar price on Swappa for pretty much any gently used modern high-spec phone.
[Nexus 5 General] onmike:
This device is great. I came from an iPhone and there are pros and cons on both sides. At the price I can deal with the cons
[Nexus 5 General] Grims:
I guess the thing with me is, I don't care what it cost. I didn't buy it because it was cheap, I bought it because it was a Nexus. I'd LOVE to pay 650 for a Nexus phone with truly no corners cut. And before someone tells me to get a GS4 or HTC One GPE, no I don't consider those Nexus phones.
[Nexus 5 General] Cactus42:
@ the OP -

I seem to recall exactly the same discussion about 12 months ago about the Nexus 4. Along with the same idiots complaining it didn't have bulletproof glass and it broke if you threw it on concrete or tried to fold in in half in a pocket.

Well my N4 has lasted very well, it's been dropped, even thrown across the room in a 2 year old's tantrum. It's being passed on to my wife because her less-than-12-month old Lumia has a faulty USB port and they're refusing to fix it under warranty (wear and tear...?) - so much for high end devices...

I expect my soon-to-be Nexus 5 to last at least as well as it's predecessor.
[Nexus 5 General] roflwaffles:
Sorry, I'm kind of new to the Android world but is this site reputable?
[Nexus 5 General] [hfm]:
True. My N4 went through a little beating and still looks mint after 1 year. It got the ringke slim case due to the fact that the back was glass, otherwise I would have went naked. I hit the subway turnstile with it in my pocket and decided it was too risky. That was a bad design decision IMO. Not that I'm complaining much, the phone was stellar at a good price, much like the n5. :)
[Nexus 5 General] Cronis:
Most of the people who complain about battery life (that I can tell at least) are the ones who use their phones as their primary device. The result is people who game, surf the web, txt, call etc etc for 6-7 hours a day on the phone and complain because the battery is drained after 4-5 hours.

Users who have tablets or laptops as their primary device and actually have jobs (aka 45 mins-1 hours worth of breaks during the work day) and come home to use their primary devices and or have a real social life (not a digital one), will probably get one day easily and up to two days of normal use out of a charge. Thats completely acceptable in my opinion, sure its not the best out there but its not bad at all.

Far as the camera goes I'm still waiting on that supposed update from Google, if they can improve the focus speed issues it would actually be a very good camera (for a smartphone) and the magnetic camera lens area also allows for additional lens attachments which is just a genius idea.
[Nexus 5 General] therinwhitten:
Nexus 5 is partially misunderstood.

I have had the Nexus 5 for three days. Unlocked the BL, rooted and added faux kernal and sound. You know what? 12 hours of normal use and 78 percent. That is damn good.

The Nexus 5 is about the direction Google is going. They want to integrate Google now into all their services. This is clear if you have Kit Kat. The devs find a way to use ART in Deodexed roms, and you are starting a big CHANGE.

It looks cool (opinion here), screen has gorilla 3 glass, and top end specs. Camera has great hardware, but needs software tweaking. I get some very good shots that have More clarity than my Xperia Z 13 MP. The camera is meant to be above average nothing more. I like the fact that when I make a good photosphere, I can add it to Google maps.

People forget this is a dev device, because it is that good! It is designed to be an improvement over the Nexus 4 (Which it is). Then we have people comparing it to other devices that cost double. The fact it is subsidized in the US means it is clearly their target. Sorry it is not fair, but that is the way it rolls.

I had a Nexus 4. Honestly, I am happy they moved the speaker, and it seems like it is capable to do alot more than the nexus 4's speaker could do. It has more depth of sound. Once they tweak that, it should be above average and sound should have depth for those ringtones. 8P.

Point is, you want a consumer device, and not a developer's device, go get an HTC One, GS4, Or Sony Z1. If you like to be on the bleeding edge of Google's coattails, help them fix code by being a testbed, ect, then stay with the Nexus 5.
[Nexus 5 General] TiltedAz:
There's some low self esteem trolling too. Check the other phone threads and you'll read how a few get a kick out of pushing buttons.
[Nexus 5 General] Manbot27:
Rofl at the veiled insults. "The people complaining about battery life don't have jobs or real social lives". Is this what some have devolved to now?

Wait let me try. The people who find battery life acceptable probably have low paying hard labor jobs so they have no time to use their phone and since they don't get paid very much they're used to having items with subpar quality. (sarcasm)
[Nexus 5 General] Cronis:
Not at all. I had no intention of insinuating that, as you put it people without RL social lives or full time jobs are any less then ok. Your actually the one who decided having a digital social life etc etc was a bad thing not me. That was entirely you making a false extrapolation of my comment.

What I was saying in other words was people whose lives revolve around a digital hemisphere (aka hours of texting, gaming on their phones etc) probably should not expect to see the N5 fill their needs. Although its odd, in most of the battery rundown tests iv seen on the net this phone comes pretty close to the 5S, HTC one so its not terribly off the mark if we consider that an average or even high end phone. Sure it comes in behind the 3000 mAh phones but thats to be expected.

The N5 has arguably the best CPU, GPU, software with average cam (might get improved) and battery life and a low quality speaker for $350. Take it for what it is not what you wish it was and try to find an equal.
[Nexus 5 General] Manbot27:
;) "It's OK to not have a RL social life or full time job, in no way was I saying that's bad"

Don't dig the hole deeper now. How about you stop trying to analyze Xda poster's lives based on minimal information just to excuse issues some may have with the phone? If it suits your purposes that's fine, but I'm sure many of the complainers have "RL social lives and full time jobs".
[Nexus 5 General] [hfm]:
The nexus devices haven't been developer devices since maybe the nexus one. I don't know where people have been getting this whole developer thing from. And I've been in software engineering for over 20 years.

You guys claiming this have seen the marketing for these devices for the last few years right?

The only reason they haven't taken off is because the carriers aren't marketing them. They are just as much developer devices as the iPhone is.
[Nexus 5 General] n19htmare:
Yes because comparing a brand new just launched device directly from the manufacture w/ warranty is the same thing as "gently used" modern phone from Swappa.

The price I used is the starting retail price of the device. compare it to the starting prices for other devices you would have paid if buying unlocked and on no contract from retailer or manufacturer.

Now about the argument about production cost being same etc and you expect the same quality. The Quality is there, there are very minor if any QC issues. The button rattle thing I think is just over blown issue... I just don't see this as an issue to many.

The biggest gripe some people have is the quality of some of the components. ummmmmm when you're gonna sell something at that low of a price....you gotta give in here and there.

The snapdragon 800....brand new ... guess what, it costs $$$

Wireless charging.....costs money $$$

Radio chip capable of wide range of services...costs $$$

upto date chips and components cost money.....from production cost point of view, it's not unreasonable to opt for a cheaper speaker and slightly smaller battery (2300 is still huge) so they could move that cost towards the other VERY HIGH end components like the Snapdragon 800, Adreno 330, the radio chip, latest in wireless network compatibility, latest in BT.....etc

It's product cost allocation, I think they put their money where it needed to be.

Ofcourse if the shortcomings like camera and speaker matter that much to you, you're welcome to spend any amount of $ you'd like getting another device.. But a bargain like the N5 doesn't come around often.
[Nexus 5 General] marleyfan61:
Because there's so many custom recoveries, custom kernels, and custom ROMs available for the iPhone.
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
Lol they must not know very much about android
[Nexus 5 General] ottoman2:
The OP has a point... even without posting "350$" like 6 times ;) I guess I can be lucky to have one and not having to wait 3 weeks.
[Nexus 5 General] jimlad:
Yours must be defect the sound is fine for ring tone, alarm etc.. Just not good quality for music.
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
I've been hanging around on XDA for quite a while now, and I've never seen so many condescending posts like this in the forums for any other phone. It's just uncanny.
[Nexus 5 General] rayiskon:
i almost thought it was the nexus 4 thread, same old posts and useless discussions all over again, way to go guys :good:

on a side note, it's 350$ only in the US, in the few European countries with Playstore support it's between 450-500$ , in the other EU countries and the rest of the world it costs between 600-700$.
[Nexus 5 General] jimlad:
530 usd in Holland
[Nexus 5 General] foxmeister:
Yeah, but in most EU countries (if not all) VAT is included in the sales price whereas in the US sales tax is not in the headline figure.

Given that VAT is around 20% in most of the EU, there's a huge chunk of your difference right there!

There was an article in the Guardian in the UK this week that said that the wholesale price of the N5 direct from LG was £50 more than the Google Play Store price to the consumer. Given that the wholesale price won't include VAT, Google are probably getting a bare bones price from LG *and* subsidising the sale price.

Regards,

Dave

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/08/google-nexus-5-play-store-undercuts-wholesale
[Nexus 5 General] lowandbehold:
Huh? I my post was in regards to the rattling power button? Nothing to do with sound quality..
[Nexus 5 General] chakra:
Dude you are so wrong. It's $395. + tax and shipping. Still a great deal!

Uh, why wouldn't you spend the extra 50 for 2x the memory.
[Nexus 5 General] msrfx:
I agree with the OP. I have been shaking my head at a lot of the comments from folks that are expecting battery life like the Note 2 which is unrealistic. I am pretty happy with the battery in all honesty. 15 hours with 2.5 hours on screen time is a typical day of usage for me. I couldn't care less about the speaker, I only use it for ring tones (when I rarely get a phone call) and notification sounds. It is plenty loud for me. I stream music/movies via bluetooth headphones and in my car.

Like everything else, this product may not be for everyone. The price to value ratio is ridiculously good... for me, and apparently others (obviously). So people should just get the right device for them and be happy.
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
Because then you have to pay 50 more in tax and shipping and it'll be 454 with tax and shipping. On amazon shipping is free and there no tax
[Nexus 5 General] yyz71:
This is going to be my 3rd Nexus :good: I know what to expect.. No complaints from me....
[Nexus 5 General] n19htmare:
Because the variance of prices applies to nearly all devices, I did not take that into account when I said $350. That's the

starting

price. Nearly all devices have a

starting

price. Some even charge upwards of $100 for the next up storage level. You gotta account taxes or VAT for other devices too.

I personally went with the $400 32GB model. If it was a $100 difference, I wouldn't have done, I think $100 is ridiculous up-charge to go from 16GB to 32GB.
[Nexus 5 General] Kawaisa:
maybe there won't be tax/shipping but Amazon won't be selling it at $350/$400
[Nexus 5 General] Manbot27:
His post was one of the worst I've seen.
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
It takes a lot of gall to go to a forum filled with phone enthusiasts and basically talk down to everyone for being a bunch of phone enthusiasts.
[Nexus 5 General] ike101692:
read your post and cradled my N5 lol great point i've never thought of it this way
[Nexus 5 General] dk206:
So you think 350$ worth of money is eqaul to a larger battery and a better camera and a set of speakers? I don't think so...

Dont get me wrong, still I like my nexus 5.