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[Windows Phone 8 General] one-option:
How I feel about Windows Phone 8 in General.

Security & Security again Security I feel like people behind Windows Phone 8 watching their phones screens all the night waiting for some malware or trojan to attack, but in fact all the malware and trojans are busy in other places and no one of it will attack Windows Phone 8, because still they don't even know what is Windows Phone 8 !

They made Windows Phone 8 full of restrictions ..................... and I feel it is just a keypad old Nokia Phone with touch screen and camera.

Microsoft you didn't go so far away from Nokia 3310 , do you remember it ?

well done after all this years you just added a Lumia + touch screen + a camera.

Microsoft just removed the keypad and snack game (I'm sure guys in Nokia wasn't satisfied abut that but Mr.Stephen Elop was pushing them)

I downloaded one ringtone for my Lumia 920............ I was forced to connect my Lumia 920 to my Laptop to put the MP3 file inside the Lumia 920 ringtone folder so the Lumia 920 can feel what happened to it after this surgery ..........I was forced to do this surgery because Windows Phone 8 doesn't have a file manager, this word file manager in Microsoft is equal to terrorism, security ,,,,,,,,security ................security...........restrictions .....not allowed this is really disappointed.
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Dude, if you want anybody either here or at Microsoft to take you seriously, write clearly and cut the hyperbole. All I got out of that was "there's no file manager on the phone, so I had to copy an MP3 to the Ringtones folder manually; Microsoft, why must you restrict me so!?!"

... and I say this as one of the people leading the WP8 hacking effort, most of which is aimed at removing those sorts of restrictions. If I were a Microsoft architect reading that and deciding whether to even bother filing the feedback, I'd probably discard it as "just another incoherent Microsoft-hater who doesn't even have a real problem, just a complaint about the workflow for an infrequent user experience". If that's not the bin you want your words tossed in, you need to sound like somebody to be taken seriously.

Talk about how their mis-steps will hurt their bottom line. Talk about competitive advantages and disadvantages. Talk about company loyalty - not in a "frothing at the mouth" or "bitter and snide comments" manner, but in terms of what gains (or loses) it in large groups - and point out ways that they are can help improve it. Don't tell them what to do - Microsoft has a *terrible* case of Not Invented Here when it comes to outside suggestions - but justify to them what they *should* do, in the same way you would, for example, try to justify to your boss that you deserve a raise, or something like that. If you can convince people there to want to make things better, you've already won; one person on the inside probably has more influence than a thousand voices out here. Be persuasive, not argumentative; diplomatic, not intimidating; charismatic, not petulant; thoughtful, not dogmatic. Being passionate is fine, even great, but you must channel it into mature and meaningful discussion, not outbursts.

Another point: think about the restrictions from their side. They didn't put them there to piss you off. Nobody trying to break into a market intentionally cripples their product to make it *less* popular. They have reasons. Those reasons may not be for your benefit, of course - Microsoft's real customers are OEMs and mobile operators, not users, and sometimes the desires of those customers override the desires of *their* customers, the users. Think about things like test and support costs, the dangers of bad press and reputations for malware and the like, and other problems they may have foreseen. Consider what it might cost them to do what you want, and make your case in terms of it being more valuable for them to do that than just in terms of what you want personally.

And seriously, can the hyperbole. I can't take anybody who claims that a device which didn't even have a decent approximation of a real web browser is basically the same, aside from some hardware features, as a WP8 device. That kind of talk will just get you dismissed out of hand.
[Windows Phone 8 General] one-option:
Dear GoodDayToDie:

I respect you point of view but I can't go one with Microsoft the easy mom son way ..... some one should rise his hand against them and show a real image about Windows Phone 8.

because of what I said they banned my user name in Wpcentral forum ........... they don't want to see any opinion against them .......they are group of old dictator minds who they don't accept any opinion against them ............the republic of MicrosoftStan .

It is my right..........People who invested their money $$$$ in Windows Phone 7 handsets found their selves abounded without any more development for their Phones............. they make one mistake in believed in Microsoft and trusted this company and Microsoft replied back the way you know for Windows Phone 7 and this is the same reason why developers kept away from Windows Phone in general.

I now have the right to know how this OS will carry on and in which direction it is going.

Let Microsoft clear things out...........................in GDR3 they make a good progress ............... so we want the good work to keep on faster.

here I mentioned one restriction and there is alot more we will come through it.

Microsoft should come closer to people and they should start with removing the banned from my account in Wpcentral for example.

We need assurances from Microsoft that the OS will have most requested options and Windows Phone 8 users will not be abounded soon like Windows Phone 7.

So we want to know if Microsoft is a friend or enemy
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
It is kinda funny how everybody argues with the "omg WP7 abandoned" card, when it isn't entirely true. Wp7 still has 1 full year of support left, and any bugs will be fixed if discovered. Did you know that all Wp7 got 2 updates (after 7.8) which fixed gmail sync?

Plus, you keep saying the WP7 "abandon" is something that only happens with Windows Phone, yet you keep forgetting that most android devices don't get a 18 month support life cycle at all, let alone 18 months renewed with each update (wp8 now has 36 months! of support for each new version iteration). Unless you pay a lot of money on hardware which is really waisted (cough, galaxy phones, cough) or on overpiced phones (cough iphone), you won't get technical support at all in most cases.

I understand you just want to bash on WP because you got banned from WPCentral, but you will be ignored here anyway. Plus, Microsoft employees can't see this forum due to its hacking nature.
[Windows Phone 8 General] one-option:
Good for you............ come on keep the good work on keep defending Microsoft

First of all I'm honest with my self as with others ................... if I said something so I mean it.

I want to show any one buying Windows Phone 8 a true image of what he will be facing in that OS...... I don't want people to make my mistake and buy a product don't meet their needs.

How could you even compare Android support with Microsoft ???!!!

for Android there is alot of alternatives available on software side and Android full of options so even if the 18 months of official support ended the users will not be worried that some essentials stuff will not be available in his phone like Windows Phone................. man still we are waiting GDR3 to get Auto rotation off :rolleyes:

the Android updates bring additional new stuff compare to the essential basic options Windows Phone 8 updates brings to the OS where older Abounded OS like Symbian long back was having this options.

I DO NOT CARE about Microsoft employees and I'm sure that they are following & reading xda forums , how did I knew that ???

People like you here in the big forums always ready to cover Microsoft back, and If I will be ignored here that will not be because people don't care about what I say no..............but out of Wpcentral forums there is small interest about Windows Phone in general.

and people who want to see the truth of Windows Phone can follow this thread................ back their in Wpcentral they erased every word I wrote about Windows Phone 8 so that show that Microsoft really watching what I write close and they are interest about what I'm saying so wait me in facebook also, the world should know the clear truth about Windows Phone.

I will say no lies about Windows Phone 8, I will just show the truth a real image for Windows Phone 8, I'm writing to those who want to get Windows Phone 8 , and they will decide buying Windows Phone 8 or go with other OS.
[Windows Phone 8 General] one-option:
The member in Wpcentral forums N_LaRUE writes about Windows Phone 8 and make clear statement about Windows Phone 8........ he really show a clear image about that OS.

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The phone (Windows Phone 8) was set up for the average consumer, which has been pointed out several times already. Average consumer is -> Music, photos, text, calls, social, email, web, games and apps. Most users will rarely use Office and less would even want a file manager. There's enough studies to back this trend.

Mobile Office is a review/general edit software, not a full-blown suite. It's not meant to replace Office on tablet or PC. The average size of most documents (Word/Excel) are typically well under 1MB.

The large quantity of memory is to compete with other platforms. The average consumer doesn't require large memory. Statistics have shown that most people have few apps and games on their mobile. Most memory is used for photos and music.

Keep in mind, we're talking about where MS has targeted it's product which is 'first world' consumer and this is the general statistics that they have used in thinking about their product. They have also copied some aspects from Apple and their primary concern is security and ecosystem.

The WP platform is not meant to be a replacement for a computer. It was not meant to replace Symbian or Android. In it's current state it is mostly a consumer device with some productive elements. This is the best way to think of WP.

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a link for the thread

Frankly speaking I misunderstand the Windows Phone 8 OS and according to what N_LaRUE said ....this OS is not what I'm looking for, but I will keep at least one of my two Windows Phone 8 devices with me as a back up phone in case I need it for sometime.

I will not mention any more restrictions, I think that the idea behind the OS Windows Phone 8 is clear .... the OS developed for that propose for specified needs for special kind of customers and I will name them as non advanced customers with minimum needs of control over the device to give a basic and easy experience for smartphone users.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
1) File manager: not really needed on the user side, if applications integrate themselves properly.

2) separate volume for notifications/alaram/whatever: god no. Just no. That was soo broken in android. I remember the days when a collage wold snatch my phone and accidentaly press the play button on whatever music widget I had an the loud music would pump in the room. No, just no. I like it the way it is. If i set my volume to 0, it means i want the phone to be quiet!

3) browser? why would you need a different browser if the one present just works? I see you're coming from android, where the system just sucks and needs 3rd party apps to do even the most basic jobs. Sorry, ain't happening on WP.

4) install XAP: nope, no piracy. As i developer, I freeking love it.
[Windows Phone 8 General] 1stPeregrine:
Hi,

The worst drawback is the calendar, doesn't anyone use it nowday's? As a working tool it's unusable. Thanks to Week View I can use WP 8 but even Week View is limited due to the lack edit function in the program. I know Microsoft "consider" this issue, consider!? Take a look of the calender in WP 6.5 that one had all the functions needed for Daily use.

Second worse is the dialer that doesn't look up phone numbers. Ok I use Another dialer for Calling and the built in when calling missed phone calls. Somehow we are back in the stoneage in some areas.

I choose WP 8 because of the strong Connection with Exchange which the other phone OS lacks.

Still WP 8 it's fast and works well in other areas but as mention earlier in the threads, it's not made as a working tool, it's made as a toy!

Just my 2 cent!
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
[MENTION=3529492]GoodDayToDie[/MENTION]:

I said the file manager is not really needed on the user side. I want the apps to have more powers when handling the user folders however. Trust me, I know the ogg vorbis problem better than anyone on this forum.
[Windows Phone 8 General] diestarbucks:
Hi.

I have done a small amount of cleaning. OP if you insist on having a thread about why you do not like WP8 (Presonally I have never tried it so I don't care one way or the other), then I expect you to do so in a civilized and respectful manner. This goes for everyone that feels the need to reply to this thread. There is nothing wrong with a discussion about personal preference or likes and dislikes as long as it is done with thoughtful and mature conversation.

Cheers,

-DSB
[Windows Phone 8 General] one-option:
The matter is that I opened this thread to collect the WP8 restrictions, in fact it wasn't restrictions but this is the way the system works.

So I pointed out that and I mentioned that I will not talk about any more restrictions in Windows Phone 8 cause it is working that way.

but WP8 people insisted to attack me & I replied back.

I tried to provide clear image and experience about Windows Phone 8, but some people just don't like that.
[Windows Phone 8 General] diestarbucks:
If you, or anyone, feels they are being attacked, then the correct course of action is to report the post and let a mod come in and handle it. Replying back is just going to drag on the issue and in most all cases will make things worse.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Nicolfa:
Light side is often spoken of because the "dark" side is covered just about everywhere. The OS is the dark horse in this race, it has flaws just like the rest ...but there easily found in detail elsewhere.
[Windows Phone 8 General] SunnyChrono6:
Seeing as you complain about the file manager and not being able to install XAPs directly but can do that on Android, why don't you try doing that on iOS? Should be easy right? Microsoft hates you after all. They don't want you to do anything on your Nokia 3310 with a touchscreen and a camera.
[Windows Phone 8 General] aSpirit81:
i totally agree...

iOS have Jailbrake,Android have Root...what have WP ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] kleanth1s:
I respect everyone's opinions. I used to be an iphone user from 2g to 4. Went to android, now I have a lumia 1020.

I had jailbrake on my iphones because I wanted my phones to do more useless things. I gained root on my android devices and flashed the heck out of them to make them cleaner and faster( who wants to wait 0.3 of a second more time to open a browser)

Personally I don't miss anything about my previous devices. The only thing missing (in my opinion) is making folders and putting games in one, apps in other e.t.c. and the ability of someone sending me an app via mail or bluetooth, and manually installing it. Either way , I am very happy with my lumia 1020..... camera. ;)
[Windows Phone 8 General] cheyne1:
Yay this is a very informational thread. Lots of spelling superstars here. I don't think Microsoft will take this one seriously. Just saying.
[Windows Phone 8 General] AndyFZ1S:
Really is no point moaning on this forum about restrictions, We all know about them, If you seriously want to be heard then use the Microsoft App Suggestion Box on wp, A lot of what has been mentioned on there is or has already been sorted.

Windows Phone has come along way in a short time and will only get better :)
[Windows Phone 8 General] bertles86:
What he said.

(I must add my tuppence worth though. Not being able to attach a file to an e-mail is a joke.)
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
Actually you can. Since WP7.
[Windows Phone 8 General] bertles86:
Apologies, I should have clarified that statement.

WP8 Black does not allow users to attach a PDF or Office document to a reply using the Outlook app.

You can share an Office doc from the Office Hub as a new email, but not attach it to a reply.

Nor can you email a PDF at all.
[Windows Phone 8 General] jordanmills:
Not really. Dev-unlocking a device is trivial.

The real problem I have with the hassle actually has nothing to do with piracy. I've bought and paid for several apps that are no longer listed on the store. The developer has disappeared or isn't interested in talking any more, and they delist the apps that I've already paid for. I understand that they may feel like not working on newer versions, I didn't pay for perpetual updates for eternity. But being able to stop me from reinstalling the app I've already paid for is idiotic. With this model, I could pay ten bucks for an app one day, have to wipe my phone the next, and permanently lose access to the application. It's rotten.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
This can happen on any store.

If the developer decides he wants to remove the app, there is nothing you can do about it.

And your problem is just an isolated accident.
[Windows Phone 8 General] jordanmills:
It won't happen anywhere you can keep an archive of your purchase.

You can say that about any incident. That doesn't mean it's not a problem.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
if the dev decides the work he provided should not be available anymore, than it should be this way. You do not "buy" the app, you simply get a license allowing you to use the app, which lasts as long as the dev wants to. It works like this for any software. If you use it outside of the license, it is called piracy. Pure and simple.

You do not hold any copyright over that app, hence why you are not allowed to use it after the dev takes it away.
[Windows Phone 8 General] jordanmills:
That's not correct. When I buy the license, I have a perpetual right to use the software under that license. The developer has no inherent obligation to improve or revise the software unless otherwise made by the license or contract, but they also have no right to unilaterally revoke the license. It's a binding agreement, and it can't be changed without the consent of the agreeing parties. This is further supported by the uniform commercial code (at least in the US):

S 2-711 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/2/2-711). Briefly, if the seller repudiates, the buyer is entitled to a refund. This does not exclude other remedies.

S 2-716(3) (http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/2/2-716). Briefly, if a seller repudiates, the buyer has right of replevin (action to recover possession).

Specific to this case, a seller is liable for damages if they repudiate, and a buyer has a right to take action as necessary to recover what was lost.

I'm not sure why you're trying to invoke copyright. It has nothing to do with this case.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
You don't understand.

You do not own the product once you bought it. It is not like going to the nearby supermarket, buy some bananas and then you own the bananas, you do not have a license to use bananas... This is an entirely different concept, enforced through DRM, because in the digital world. you can not apply the rules of the physical world.

DRM technologies limit your ability to install an app by checking it with a server. This can be applied to the same as "buying" windows. Microsoft reserves the right to make your windows not work anymore if DRM check fails (aka, you have a pirate copy), because you do not own windows, you are licensed to use it..

When the app is gone from the marketplace, when you try to install the app, the DRM fails, hence why you are not able to install it anymore.

This is because the dev has complete control over who can and not not install his works. The app belongs to him, he just licenses it to you so you can use it, and the marketplace enforces DRM.

If you were to use the app AFTER the DRM failed, you must have the copyright over the app, and own the code, which is something only the developer has, hence why he can use his own app without DRM check through side load.

All apps on the marketplace are DRM protected through ways extensively documented in the development & hacking section of this forum.

Microsoft is not responsible for any damage this might have caused to you. If you wanna settle the dispute, you contact the developer directly.

Read the terms of use before you agree to them.
[Windows Phone 8 General] jordanmills:
Actually, you seem to be the one that doesn't understand. I quoted the relevant law up there.

If you pirate windows, you didn't buy a license to it so none of the above applies to you.

The rest of the rambling continues to show a complete lack of understanding of relevant law and the past twenty years of legal battles fought ensured the right for someone to use what they bought. As the relevant law demonstrates above, microsoft actually is responsible, and if they do not meet the responsibility to deliver, then the buyer has other rights that allow them use of what they bought.

I can read the license just fine. It says nothing contrary to what I'm saying here. If it did, it would be void where it conflicted with the law. You should consider researching basic contract law before making more claims.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
You do not buy anything from Micrisoft. You bought it from the developer.

This is the same as how a normal marketplace works...

People come and sell things on the stalls installed in the marketplace. The admins of the marketplace get paid by the merchants a fee every now and then to continue to use the stall. The same applies to the windows phone (and google play and whatever else marketplace), the developer sells you things through the stall installed by microsoft, and microsoft gets a cut from what the developer sells.

And in the TOS, it is clearly stated that there is no guarantee that the service shall never be disrupted and microsoft shall not be held reasonable for any damage this might cause you. The same goes with the windows license and ANY license with any video game/software/whatever.

Those terms you agree to aren't just placed there, they are approved by the chamber of commerce in your country and are legally approved through specific amendments to the law in your country. hence why it is impossible to get paid apps in some countries.

So no, you are not right.

Go take your QQ somewhere else, this is valid for ANY software you buy. The only difference is, Mirosoft actually imposes the terms you agreed to on this particular marketplace.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Amadeus01:
I love this dicusion.

But what if the developer not under this law?

You are talking about us law's, but that they are not binding al over the globe ;)
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
+1

The terms you agree to when using the marketplace are approved by your country's government, so the developer has no obligation towards giving you any refund. You may still talk to him and see if you can get a refund willingly, but if you go to court, you will lose because of the terms of use you supposedly read and understood.

Microsoft has negotiations with the governments of all the countries supported by the windows phone marketplace.

This is one of the reasons why some countries are not supported, and some may only support free apps.

Microsoft then, in turn, pays taxes and stuff to your country gov, so does the developer who sold the app (he pays to his gov) .

And since the marketplace works just fine in the U.S., the gov clearly agreed to microsoft's terms despite the law (there's these things called amendments).

Those legal things aren't there to fool around. These things are very carefully thought out.