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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spotdog14:
The camera is super slow taking pictures. I came from a GS3 that was running CM10.2 and the camera was lightning fast taking pictures of my infant son. Now all the pictures I take a super blurry and the video is just a constant auto focus fest.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaaaabbbb63:
The Nexus 5 camera is not even close to Samsung GS3 and GS4's cameras. From drama shot to taking pictures really fast, the Samsung cameras are net superior.

Do you have HDR on?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spotdog14:
I agree with you they are not in the same class, I'm just referring to the speed at taking pictures. Ill try to find an example and post it.

No I do not have HDR or HDR+ on.

Samples: (yes I know these aren't exactly the same lighting, etc.

Samsung Galaxy S3

LG Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] itsfozzy:
You're not convincing me with those photos, neither are good and to my eyes, the N5 is better!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spotdog14:
I completely agree, neither is great but the N5 is much slower at snapping pictures than what I am use to. I would put it on par with my wife's iPhone 4.

On a side note this is why I have a Sony NEX-5R
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] itsfozzy:
Real cameras win all the time. Except when you leave them at home!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaaaabbbb63:
Nice kid you got there :D

Yeah, Nexus phones aren't exactly known for their cameras. The purpose of these phones is mainly Development. The fact that it's an affordable high end phone is a side effect.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hello00:
taken from n5
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaaaabbbb63:
Nice watch, and very nice photo. HDR+?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hello00:
thxs and yes sirr
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
I heard of Rhino Shield a while ago, and was greatly impressed by the videos for their REAL scientific tests.

An overview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH3h_JSMJ1Y

I think this is their best video for showcasing how impact resistant it is:

[YOUTUBE]zST_lAg_WFE[/YOUTUBE]

The RS we can purchase now is MKII, which improves the denting issue they had before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqbc1aNcDwI

Important notes:

1. The creators are Cambridge PhD students of material science; they tested many different materials to get the optimal balance between protection/transparency/thickness/oil repelling vs smoothness etc. I am convinced they really tried to make their product great.

2. Scratch resistance is like normal screen protectors, i.e. not particularly great, and not too bad either. They said it is a necessary trade-off for the impact protection it provides, and it holds some truth.

3. They claim a very high survival rate if the screen side hits the ground between 30-degree angle (In the video, the iPhone he dropped was his OWN iPhone, dropped at least 3 times face down). Beyond that, the frame of the phone plays a more important role, since the phone can "twist" and break the glass if the sides are hit.

4. Based on many drop test videos, I observed that phones rarely crack their screen in a side drop; on the other hand, the screen will almost immediately crack if concrete DIRECTLY hit the glass. Thus I believe with just RS on, it is already difficult enough to crack the screen.

They said on their Kickstarter page that RS for Nexus 5 will be available "shortly after its release". Now it is up for preorder, and I got an email reply for them that the ETA is mid-November 2013. Yes, I have already preordered it.

http://evolutivelabs.com/
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Xodus22:
Wow, this looks impressive. I wonder if it's a viable alternative to the tempered glass screen protectors.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
They have entirely different aims, making them not directly comparable.

Glass protectors preserve the original feel and scratch resistance as close as possible, but is easily replaceable.

RS on the other hand aims to protect the underlying display plus retaining a similar feel to glass, but sacrifices scratch resistance.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] palabook:
this looks solid.

i feel like buying this after seeing other people's shattered nexus 5.

this would be approx $30 right?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Yeah, the only thing is the relatively steep price... though considering the price of glass protectors, this isn't too bad.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] momsi:
Do we know when these things will be available and if they are shipping internationally?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Watcher07:
Thanks Op, I pre-ordered one as the Spigen Glas.tR I had has the same issues as everyone else with being defective. Looking forward to getting this once they get released.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] ACCUSED24:
I kickstarted them. I have the protector for nexus 4 and nexus 7. I ordered for nexus 5. They make amazing screen protectors.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] pmoradi2002:
Problem with this is that everything above 3H will scratch this protector
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
3H means it passes 3H-pencil scratch test. Same for the 9H on glass protectors.

It doesn't equate to Mohr's hardness.

3H means it won't be scratched by a 3H pencil at a certain angle & force, using a device like this

Same for 9H.

Most non-glass protectors out there are around the range of 3H-4H; that's why I said RS isn't particularly scratch resistant.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
How is it? I read reviews/comments from many different sources before paying them, but has never had it before.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] ACCUSED24:
It is pretty amazing. It adds a lot of protection. I've dropped my Nexus 4 without case but with the front and back screen protector a couple times. The mark 1 had a denting problem but their new mark 2 fixed everything. The protector doesn't add to much in size, but does its job. Only thing I didn't like was how long shipping took.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] TecQuality:
isn't already available?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] 1lazysheep:
only 3H for £17.99 / $29?!! you can get that from just about any PET film. pass
[Nexus 5 Accessories] attily89:
so, i'm looking to get one between Rhino Shield and Spigen Glas.tR Slim against accidental drops, which one is the best?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Did you watch the video? You cannot get that impact protection from just about any PET film. Not even two.

Rhino Shield for drops. It is designed with drops in mind. Glass is designed to prevent scratches, less about impact.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] 1lazysheep:
i don't drop giant metal balls directly on the center of my screens often.

edit: i didn't watch the video in the link, only the one embedded (i thought they were the same). fairly impressed by the impact protection now. still, i'll wait til they improve the scratch resistance.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Scratch resistance and crack resistance are like water and oil.

Unless they make one with self healing, it proprably isn't going to improve much in scratch resistance if they don't sacrifice the impact resistance.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] momsi:
But when it scratches, only the rhino shield scratches, so you strip the shield off and have a still unscratched phone, right?

And I don't really get what 3H means... Is it really a measurement in pencil hardness? Seems like a joke...

I'm also considering whether to buy a rhino or a spigen glass.

I find a direct impact on the screen fairly unlikely, a drop to the side or corner of the phone is much more likely imo. And I guess a rhino shield would not offer protection against that or?

I don't mean to mock the rhino, I think it is an awesome product and its performance is surely amazing. I still wanna buy it, so is it available now?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] 1lazysheep:
i'm no engineer, but i'm not sure where you're getting your info from. safety glass consists of one or more layers of glass and some sort of plastic film laminated together, and has been around for decades. i don't see why they couldn't adopt this principle and fuse a thin layer of tempered glass on top of their proprietary film to provide added scratch resistance?

easier said than done, i know, but if a laymen like me can see the parallel i'm sure these Cambridge grads have probably thought of this also
[Nexus 5 Accessories] TecQuality:
What means this? Maybe this protector won't save itself from scratches?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
In short, the scratch resistance of RS is similar to other non-glass protectors:)

EDIT:

Looks like they will upload a scratch test video soon; there's a preview at the end of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKo4yILfNZU

If you are interested I think you can shoot an email to them. Maybe it'll be too thick, maybe it doesn't work, maybe the transparency will be low... who knows. The developer is PhD in material science after all, so there must be a reason.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] momsi:
Well, you don't need to be an engineer to see, that adding a layer of hardened glass would simply be the worst idea they can have.

The rhino is designed to withstand impact. When you put glass upon that layer, it would have no impact protection, hence it would break on impact, and so destroy the product.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] 1lazysheep:
the outer glass layer would break, yes, but their proprietary film would absorb and spread out the impact and protect the glass on your phone. this is how bulletproof glass and safety glass ( e.g., automotive windshields) work.

their film is 0.029 cm/0.29 mm. Spigen's thinest glass screen protector is 0.15 mm. 0.44 mm thickness is the same as most "regular" glass screen protectors from Spigen, et al. it could work. :cyclops:
[Nexus 5 Accessories] momsi:
I don't question the possibility or functionality of that. It would be cool if you have a scratch and impact proof protection. But for a one use product, that would have to be accordingly cheap, I would not pay that much or even more for a throw away product. But that's just me.

Possible it is, that's true ;)
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Just found a video on a Chinese site, comparing the impact resistance between RS, Amzer (another impact resistant protector), glass screen protector (GLAS from Spigen) and Power Support (typical screen protector). Pretty impressive.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjI2MzMzMjE2.htm
[Nexus 5 Accessories] envizion58:
well that one use product will save you 200+ to replace the whole front end since the lcd is fused to the front glass.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] sbslammer:
caseology shatter resistant film here looks pretty similar... 7 layers with impact dispersion layer apparently. 6h hardness

http://www.amazon.com/Caseology-Sha...=1383818246&sr=1-3&keywords=caseology+nexus+5

anyone have any exp with that?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] 1lazysheep:
Power Support - lol.

i can't really tell if the underlying gorilla 2 piece of glass broke on the Amzer and GLAS. the screen protectors obviously shattered, but the piece of glass underneath could've been fine.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Amzer isn't glass, so the Gorilla Glass definitely shattered.

...super thin urethane film...

http://www.amzer.com/ShatterProof/

Not sure about GLAS, though.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
http://youtu.be/Wkb5Qe_-0k0

Looks like the Nexus 5 performs very well in side drops...

Glad that I chose RS+dbrand frame skin. Minimal bulk, enough protection.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Haven't seen that before. They made many claims without proper proof, so I have doubts on that.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Wbroshea:
Wait. Isn't this what the tempered glass screen protectors effectively are? That was how they used to be advertised, maybe they aren't anymore. Effectively the screen cracks but the force of the drop is absorbed by the safety glass preventing cracking of the devices screen. There used to be an image on the xgear website showing the multiple layers, one of which was designed to absorb the force of the impact.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Xodus22:
How much is the shipping to US/Canada for this? Also, is the only place to purchase it on their main website? Any discounts available?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] 1lazysheep:
good to know, but i'm still gonna put mine in a thin case. the dbrand skins look nice, but do you know anything about their durability? searched for "dbrand skin drop/scratch test" but nothing came up.

yeah, pretty much. the only difference is that they don't have Rhino Shield's proprietary anti-shatter film.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] bleuxeon:
I have just bought one Rhino Shield's screen , even if I have had very good experience with classic and cheaper platic films from SGP for more than 2 years, I want to test this product .
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Ilovetohateiphone:
I think people should not be confused between the glass screen protector and Rhino Shield screen protector. The glass one is hard but brittle whereas Rhino Shield is flexible.

had Temper glass screen protector from Spg before, still had my screen cracked when my phone landed on its face. Rhino shield on the other hand did saved my phone twice from really bad falls

Pros and Con.

Glass screen prevent scratches but not drop, Rhino Shield prevent screen crack but not scratch. I opted for the latter, as gorilla glass itself is scratch resistance. Both feel very similar.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Wbroshea:
I have had a completely different experience with my tempered glass protector. I dropped it from ear height onto porcelain tile. The protector broke but the screen itself was perfect underneath. Then sadly a few days later I dropped the phone from waste height (really my kid did) on to the same tile and the screen shattered with no protector on it. Both falls were on to the face of the phone. Of course minor variations in fall angle can cause different outcomes just like your experience above and mine.

What I disagree with the most though is that you state the tempered glass is not for impact, I believe it is and I also believe it is/was advertised as such. I agree with 1lazysheep's comment completely. The only difference is that the tempered glass doesn't have the proprietary film, but does have an impact absorbing layer.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] momsi:
Received a mail from evolutive labs, confirming the release next week and global shipping.

So I just ordered one ;)
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Ilovetohateiphone:
I hold the same view until i read Shen's blog http://blog.shenye.co.uk/post/65800633830/does-my-phone-need-a-screen-protector. in the last paragraph, he confirm glass screen protector does not really absorb as much as the impact force under control environment.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] 1lazysheep:
he doesn't mention if the screen on the phone cracked, only that the glass screen protector cracked. if i drop my phone on concrete i don't expect it to come out with no damage, regardless of what i have on it. i'd much rather the screen protector crack (like it's supposed to) than my actual screen. even with the Rhino Shield, you see permanent marks left on the screen protector after the drop tests. it's not cracked, but you'd have to replace it anyway.

i think if you don't plan on having a case then you definitely need Rhino Shield. but if you're like me and prefer to have a thin case, a glass screen protector should be fine. i much prefer the feeling of glass over PET film.

check out this guy's review of Spigen's GLAS and one of their cases. he drops it from pretty high up. the GLAS cracks, but the screen isn't damaged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgEPKR88v9k
[Nexus 5 Accessories] tsubus:
i'm very impressed, i've ordered it and if it's as good as advertised, all my future phones will probably have a rhino shield too. thanks for sharing!
[Nexus 5 Accessories] lll_ari_lll:
Its currently out of stock. btw anyone received it yet? if so, can you share your exp, a pic somehow?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Wbroshea:
Does that mean you are willing to test it on your phone to determine if it really is "as good as advertised." That is really the only way to determine if it is as I have yet to see a truly independent test of it. If that is what you meant then I am excited to see the results. I have to admit, I truly fear for you phone though as I don't believe the claims made for a minute.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] tsubus:
That would make me very dumb to purposely try to break my phone, doesn't it? I'm sure that some third party with more money than me will do a review. Till then, like everyone else, I base my opinion on the videos that have been posted in this thread :)
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Wbroshea:
Oh. That's sad. Side note, I don't think I would base my opinion on a video produced by the manufacturer trying to sell me something. Plus, I doubt a third party will test this material. It was around for the nexus 4 and I never saw and independent test on that device. Anyone know of one?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Hasn't shipped yet. I think I will post my comments once I applied it (and get the phone lol)

Hopefully I won't have the chance for a real life test... but I sure will report the result if my phone indeed dropped.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
http://blog.shenye.co.uk/post/65800633830/does-my-phone-need-a-screen-protector

This is proberbly the independent test you wanted. They seemed to have sent out these testing kits to some people for testing.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] palabook:
$5 shipping to canada.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Wbroshea:
Right that one was posted earlier, I think. It was the one where they didn't film the ball drop for the glass protector and only stated the glass protector broke (like it should) but said nothing about the glass underneath. Seamed a little fishy.

Plus, pardon my ignorance, but I have no idea who this person is posting this review. Personally the whole post read like an advertisement for rhino shield to me. Maybe if one of the more well known, to me at least, product reviewers did a test. Shoot maybe I will. Where can one purchase just the glass for a phone that they currently sell a screen protector for?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] palabook:
another review from Gizmag.

check image 8 of 9 - "Two pieces of Ziplock bag plastic also kept the glass from breaking ..." lol.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] lll_ari_lll:
lol, I didn't mean the drop test :P, I meant the visibility/responsiveness/cutout/sunlight viewing/fit etc ..

Btw I am still waiting to order, Rumor is it will be on Indian playstore on 12th this month.. I am not a fan of cases, My 3 yr old defy is screen is still in pristine condition after several drops and without any screen protector. But nexuses infamous build quality pushing me for a screen protector.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] TecQuality:
i'm giving a try! let's see :)
[Nexus 5 Accessories] relax24:
Can anyone comment on screen clarity with screen protectors, especially this one. Do they make the screen look worse, or reduce the clarity?
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
This is the closest photo I can find.

http://attach.mobile01.com/attach/201311/mobile01-af6890c25aee43d429e924235063d685.jpg
[Nexus 5 Accessories] relax24:
That link doesn't work for me.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Edited
[Nexus 5 Accessories] relax24:
Cheers, although it's hard to see from that the difference between one without the shield and one with it
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Ilovetohateiphone:
I will do a review once i got them! just wrote to them o ask about shipping :confused:

---------- Post added at 04:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:28 PM ----------

that guy did the review works for the XDA

https://twitter.com/shen_ye
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Lownita:
Will this add the typical plastic feel to the screen? It is why I don't use screen protectors :(
[Nexus 5 Accessories] jonnydopemsr:
Ordered mine... shipping 7-10 days. Still on the waiting list to get the 5 shipped so hopefully they both come around the same time period but we will see since I live in the States and this is probably getting shipped from UK. After Paypal's currency converter I paid just under $30.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
OK guys, it looks like N5 RS has started shipping from Taiwan!
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Bei60:
Don't believe everything you see...
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Watcher07:
I got the same message that mine shipped. I <omitted> anything that was obviously personally identifiable.

Dear Ethan <omitted>,

All of the items from order #1120 have now been shipped:

1x Rhino Shield (Phone) - Google Nexus 5 (front only) <coming soon>

They are being shipped via USPS to the following address:

Ethan <omitted>

<omitted>

Owings Mills, Maryland 21117

United States

The tracking details for these items are as follows:

<omitted>

For shipping status on these items:

FedEx : https://www.fedex.com/fedextrack/?action=track&cntry_code=tw

Standard Shipping : http://postserv.post.gov.tw/webpost/CSController?cmd=POS4009_1

Please allow some time for the status of the shipment to correctly display at the above address.

Thank you for ordering from Evolutive Labs!
[Nexus 5 Accessories] crazyguns:
Well, they probably have their manufacturers in Taiwan... The guys were from university of Cambridge right? I assumed they had a mass manufacturer in the UK.. Oh well, let us know how it is when it arrives, looking forward to getting this and a cheap case and will be good to go!

-Nexus 5 32gb
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
IIRC the two main developers of RS, who are brothers, are from Taiwan, who have studied in University of Cambridge.

They producing their product in Taiwan is like how Motorola and Apple tried to produce theirs in the USA.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] spicydicy:
I look forward to hearing from your experiences with the product once they arrive.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] lokoz89:
Spg glas + rs = ulti. Duo

Okay, call me crazy but think about it:

SPG GLAS NANO tR + RhinoShield (on top of SPG) = Nearly shatterproof ??

The problem I see with this is loss in sensitivity/touch response

I have an SPG GLAS already, I might buy the RS and try this...
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Using a screen protector for a...screen protector? No, just no.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] tsubus:
just got notified that my rhino shield has been shipped :D
[Nexus 5 Accessories] momsi:
Me too, wonder how long shipping to Germany will take.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] wolfca:
Can't help, just ordered one. It is really expensive!
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Cuppeerr:
bought one right after watching the video lol

I'm not as worried about it getting scratched as much as it shattering. If you buy 3 or 4 of these it would still be cheaper than getting the screen replaced:)
[Nexus 5 Accessories] FloppyDrive:
I received mine today (FedEx to Canada, no extra charges at the door) but I won't use it until I get my replacement phone on Monday.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Fedex, no wonder.

Would you be so kind as to take a picture of the actual film? I want to take a look at the cuttings.:fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 5 Accessories] FloppyDrive:
Only one hole for the ear speaker. Same size and shape as the Spigen Glass.t Slim. Includes a small microfiber cloth, plastic squeegee and two stickers for removing dust.

Other people's demos...

[YOUTUBE]8gZI44n6XmQ[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]kxA2j2_z5iY[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
I guess it would look seamless:p
[Nexus 5 Accessories] laur3n.newm4n:
So is this a floppy film protector or a glass protector of sorts? From their videos it seems like it's just a film protector.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] shaqspaere:
Got my shipping confirmation this morning, after ordering yesterday.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] wolfca:
Same here. Just waiting!
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Ilovetohateiphone:
still waiting for mine too....wonder how much longer it will take.....feeling very unprotected
[Nexus 5 Accessories] FloppyDrive:
The idea here is to protect the screen from shattering as opposed to protecting from scratches.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Ilovetohateiphone:
Just got mine! will apply them when I get home.

first impression, the fitting is great! and it feel very much like glass (this is a very important factor for me)
[Nexus 5 Accessories] Lownita:
Please report further! This is also very important to me, I hate when the screen feels like plastic!
[Nexus 5 Accessories] laur3n.newm4n:
I understand that. I am asking if it is a glass protector or a film protector.
[Nexus 5 Accessories] timothyung:
Not glass.