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[Nexus 5 General] SymbioticGenius:
The only thing that makes android more capable is development. Development being equal, I would take a windows phone. Considering that it's faster with less specs they are doing something right. I'm not talking just smoothness it's an overall nicer experience. Try one, you'll be surprised. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon but I'm happy to have another player in the game

Sent from my MotoX Developer Edition
[Nexus 5 General] meangreenie:
The only windows phone I've tried was a HTC something or other, can't remember now as it was about 6 months back. It had a krait CPU of some kind, quad 1.2 ghz ithink, and an adreno 305 GPU. I found it stuttered plenty.
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
That's ENTIRELY subjective. I've used Windows phones (not sure why you're assuming that I haven't), and I agree that it's a perfectly fine OS. If not for the relatively poor app ecosystem and total lack of a notification center (not to mention severely lacking integration with Google services), it might be worth looking into. That said, "it's an overall nicer experience" is your opinion, which I happen to not agree with at all.
[Nexus 5 General] SymbioticGenius:
We're all entitled to our opinions, that's what forums are for. I was sharing mine, but I never requested anyone agree with it. What you stated about lack of apps basically is what I said about needing development, but since I use my phones primarily for business I don't need most of the apps I have. I personally couldn't care any less about Google services, and apple is only recently allowing Google to develop for their phones, but different strokes for different folks. My main point is and always was that iPhone isn't smoother than either android or windows os (with ART, DALVIC sucks.)

P.S. If you're going to quote someone don't just take one section and apply it out of context. When I said "try it, you'll be surprised" that was directed at anyone who hasn't already. It's obvious from your posts that you had otherwise you wouldn't be speaking on the subject... I hope

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
I had windows 6.1 or something like that phone. It was omnia 2 I think. That phone was terribly slow. That was like 2 years ago. I remember the app market didn't even get updated for it and the only things I could download were games like bubble shooter. That was maybe 2-3 years ago.

Now I've tried a windows 8 tablet (a friends not mine) and it's really smooth and has a nice interface but like you all have already mentioned the lack of apps and the lack of FREE apps kill it. It's like all the apps that are free on other things like android you have to buy on windows. If Microsoft "fixed" their market windows would be much more popular. They need to promote developers to develop apps for it.

As of now android is still my top choice. After that I'd be about 50-50 between apple and Microsoft
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
Anyway, back on topic, I'm back on ART after a couple days running Dalvik and Gravity Box. I already miss the tweaks I was using, but it's so nice to have ART running again. It really is noticeably faster than Dalvik and right now I'd have to say that it's worth losing a few customizations.
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
Save here. I'm using it on OmniROM. I really hope it gets updated soon though. It takes forever to optimize apps after the night lies. I wish it could apply faster
[Nexus 5 General] richport29:
Anyone else noticing slower wifi speeds while using ART.
[Nexus 5 General] Rusty!:
Nope.
[Nexus 5 General] Scarsuna:
I was listening to Tune-In Radio Pro for about 8 hours and my battery was still at 90% (Note II).
[Nexus 5 General] Soulfly3:
Hey guys, my phone arrives on Monday - First time nexus user... tossed aside my S3 for it.

I am a casual phone user... in that I use my phone all the time, but I wont be modding it, rooting it, etc... just using the phone as is in all its beautiful glory.

I would however, appreciate having as fast a phone and more importantly, as good of battery life as possible.

would you suggest me converting over to ART right away after I have my phone setup the way I like it? Are there any drawbacks (I use whatsapp, but I see that issue has been resolved)

thanks for helping out a newbie... I have been reading as much as possible, but it's a lot to take in
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
If you switch to art id recommend doing it before installing anything as it'll have less apps to optimize and finish faster. But also make sure all your apps are compatible afterwards.
[Nexus 5 General] Soulfly3:
Thanks. Good idea. Is there somewhere I could check if my apps are compatible?

Dont use too much to be honest. the basics and a few sport apps
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
Yeah search art compatibility xda on Google and you'll find a thread with it. Most apps are compatible now. I don't think you should have any issues. You can always test it and switch back to dalvik if you have to. It switches to dalvik pretty quick so it won't really be an issue
[Nexus 5 General] Soulfly3:
ok, thanks again!

looks like the apps use most aren't on the lists (app details not available).. so Im going to have to go in blind... and the weather app I use (1weather) doesnt work.

just my luck :rolleyes:
[Nexus 5 General] M.Starke:
I am also back to ART - everithing works fine.

Regards and all the best for 2014.
[Nexus 5 General] lolcopter:
switched my stock, unrooted N5 over to ART earlier this week and it's been nothing but smooth sailing. although the daily speed increase is nearly negligible, it definitely has a slightly different "feel" to it and some apps are much smoother/faster - Google maps and theScore being two off the top of my head.

the only sort of odd thing I've noticed a couple times is when switching apps sometimes it will pull up something different than what you selected. seems like a minor hiccup with the way the runtime code is processed concurrently as opposed to the previous full cache load that dalvik does (layman's understanding of the underlying technology/code here)
[Nexus 5 General] Soulfly3:
you just answered my prayers.

TheScore is my go-to app... but the ART list didnt have it mentioned... thank god it's compatible.
[Nexus 5 General] cobyman7035:
those with ART: pandora works fine? i mean installed AFTER u enabled ART
[Nexus 5 General] distung:
If any of you are also readers like myself, Moon+ Reader Pro does not work with ART. I've tested this pretty thoroughly. Oddly enough, the free version works just fine, so the issue must be in one of the advanced features.
[Nexus 5 General] lolcopter:
[MENTION=2391281]CobyMan[/MENTION] Pandora works fine, no issues here
[Nexus 5 General] iamhacked:
I'm on dalvik after being on ART for long, it seems slightly faster and more stable... Guess I'll install xposed modules to take advantage
[Nexus 5 General] jlevy73:
I've been on ART for a while as well and just switched back to Dalvik (using the moto x patches) and have found no difference between the two. The only difference is dalvik benches higher which I could less about.
[Nexus 5 General] iamhacked:
Maybe it's the moto x patches?
[Nexus 5 General] jlevy73:
You're right, that could be very possible.
[Nexus 5 General] abdielol:
After being on ART for a while, I'm now on Dalvik. I can't really notice the difference, and sometimes I even feel it faster... But that may be because of the ROM I'm running now.
[Nexus 5 General] msquare:
Need some help guys.. I switched from Dalvik to ART for the first time last night, and now the "OK Google" option doesnt work. It used to show up on the home screen in search bar, but not anymore. I've tried everything - language is already English (US), ok google option is checked in settings - search - voice search.

I've tried going back to Dalvik and it doesnt show up there either. I am also getting an error message saying "Sync is currently experiencing some problems"

Can someone please help? Is this unique to my phone or anyone else faced this issue recently? I couldnt find anything in the forums about this.

Thanks in advance!
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
The OK Google in the search bar gone is normal even on dalvik. It's only there in the beginning sort of as a guide for using it so you know it's there. Have you actually tried saying it? it works for me. But the sync issue I think it's normal. Whenever I try leaving a reminder using Google search itll give me that issue
[Nexus 5 General] Rusty!:
Just look at the mic icon. If it's solid, is listening. If it's hollow, it's not.
[Nexus 5 General] Blackbox421:
Hmm actually I'm also not really noticing anything since I switched to Art. But anways I dont care, the Nexus 5 is fast with dalvik and with Art :)

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[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
the only time i can tell a difference is when bringing up my recents apps button and switching between open app to open app art performs better at this. oh, and loading things in tables/posts loads and aligns, faster with art too. things like g+ and facebook and blog posts
[Nexus 5 General] drzplaya1121:
I honestly didn't notice a difference between the run times.

I'm stock/unrooted.

I noticed a slight battery drain when using ART but that may be a rogue app I'll have to check.

Anybody recommend an easy way to detect rogue apps?
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
better battery stats.

battery drain could be higher after your first reboot, but only from the cache being cleared and the new optimization step you have to go through on first boot. once booted you should not see an excess of battery usage. in fact, you should get even more battery life from art since it's optimized specifically for android and mobile devices/hardware
[Nexus 5 General] drzplaya1121:
very nice. I usually get 4 hours screen on time with unrooted stock Dalvik

how's your's on ART?
[Nexus 5 General] maxpower7:
I typically get 4-5 hours on either. There doesn't seem to be much of a difference for me.
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
i dont like to talk about my screen on time. it just starts flames and people start to think they can judge someone because they use an electronic device differently than them.

i will say that i get a lot of SoT. but not strictly because of art. although i do feel that it helps
[Nexus 5 General] drzplaya1121:
what kind of set up do you have? I've never gotten more than 4 hours and my phone is always in my hand
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
airplane mode, battery saver mode gps(although im fighting location services with wakelocks to keep my 2% battery drain over 8 hours in deep sleep), 2% brightness, wifi on and break double digit screen on time every day on a full charge. im always near wifi or im on the way to an area with wifi, so i can use internet apps to text and send/receive calls
[Nexus 5 General] drzplaya1121:
very nice set up. I've left most of the settings on default.
[Nexus 5 General] laker666:
I can't get any n64 emulators to work with ART :(
[Nexus 5 General] KengGang:
Which is better while ART and Dalvik?
[Nexus 5 General] marinierb:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2516646
[Nexus 5 General] letmedanz:
Thank you very much.

I needed this thread :)
[Nexus 5 General] pranabin78:
I am on twistedcat ROM with ak kernel 4.4.2 and on ART....absouletly no problem for what's app ,titanium

And seen improvement in speed

Since 15 days
[Nexus 5 General] Blackbox421:
Is there an improvement in terms of battery life?

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[Nexus 5 General] letmedanz:
How would art/dalvik effect multi rom?

Can art be enabled in one and the others on dalvik?
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
So dues anyone know why some apps aren't compatible? And is there an easy way to make them compatible?

Please press the thanks button if I help you.
[Nexus 5 General] worldboss:
Every time I want to switch to ART, it boots back up in dalvik

I'am on stock rom with xposed and gravitybox. Maybe it doesnt work cuz its not compatible with xposed?
[Nexus 5 General] aeoveu:
Precisely.
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
because ART is beta. either an update needs to be made by the developer for the app, or by google for ART
[Nexus 5 General] hamad138:
ART also brings Scrolling improvements,just try facebook and tapatalka and Gapps, u want to kick dalvik

I hope Android 5

ART

linux 3.11 New Kernel

Would be badass combo
[Nexus 5 General] Dxtra:
Tango video chat not working in ART
[Nexus 5 General] LayZ85:
So is Xposed framework holding ART back?I mean I personally have chosen to remain on Dalvik due to Xposed compatibility and I'm sure there are plenty more like me...I wish we get to use the best of both soon enough..
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
No art is holding xposed back. Remember art is still in beta so many people won't bother trying to support it until Google does themselves

Sent from my white LG Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] :
Hi,

From yesterday's post from the dev, his last about ART compatibility: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=49513969&postcount=7930...

:)
[Nexus 5 General] Punkid:
i just wanted to add that i tried ART and i am certain that app switching is faster on ART. On dalvik theres a slight delay between when you press the recent apps button to the list actually showing. Theres absolutely no such delay on ART...happens on both stock and with the moto x patches.

That said, im back to dalvik for now, xposed :( but i really really would prefer ART if i could get some gravitybox-like functions on it. If anyone knows of some compatible alternative on ART, please do tell
[Nexus 5 General] ralph78:
Yesterday I switched to dalvik from art to check Xposed. It's nice but I couldn't get used to the small lags and delays so got rid of Xposed and switched back to Art. Happy again even I lack some functionality. It would be perfect to have both, we have to wait...

Sent from my N5
[Nexus 5 General] johnannis:
I was using ART from the first day I got my nexus. Last week I wanted some gaming on my nexus. Unluckily almost no of my favorite games worked on ART.

OK ART is slightly faster but I can live without that if its about my apps

Στάλθηκε από το Nexus 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
[Nexus 5 General] Tyrion666:
I've been using ART on the N5 for about a week now, and it feels super snappy and all of my apps work.

I've been using xposed on dalvik before, which was clearly slower, but that might have been the framework, not the runtime alone.

As I found a ROM with all the modifications I need, which is also running fantastic on ART (Mahdi-Rom), I decided to stay and leave dalvik, xposed and Gravity Box behind.

Also one of today's reddit posts made me a bit paranoid about xposed' security: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1vjr2n/with_the_xposed_scene_exploding_at_such_a_fast/
[Nexus 5 General] Punkid:
is there any way to get expanded desktop mode on stock rom , without Xposed? Art compatibility :)
[Nexus 5 General] zander21510:
Looks like apps are finally working better with ART now, only sound search blows up for me in ART now. Running CM11 nightlies. I've noticed significant battery improvement, yesterday I only went down to 30% after 3hrs screen on 15hrs standby, including watching HD video for some time. And I've noticed it being snappier. I like ART!
[Nexus 5 General] bblzd:
I'm not so sure ART brings any significant battery improvements though I'd love to see some real comparisons. Unless you're relaunching apps constantly I don't imagine it having much of an effect.
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
not with pure stock. you could flash cataclysm, it's a stock based ROM with very minimal options and features in order to preserve stock stability in a ROM

it will give you ART with expanded desktop
[Nexus 5 General] Punkid:
i tried some roms, settled on mahdi, works great, has a stock feel. love my phone now. and works with art

EDIT : i wanted to know if ART sticks if i flip the switch under developer settings ?
[Nexus 5 General] Wergin:
I have install 43 Apps..in My N5 ..:)
[Nexus 5 General] nexusmaniac:
Android police have done a very in-depth comparison between dalvik and ART I'll post a link soon :)

Here's the link - http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ery-life-benchmarks-not-good-but-not-too-bad/
[Nexus 5 General] Lownita:
Is Qualcomm tuned dalvik as snappy as art? Does it make up? I don't mean benchmarks though, just day to day usage.
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
even after Dalvik patches, there is still a delay when opening recents, switching between open apps, and scrolling when compared to ART
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
Yep I agree. Art is smoother for general ui and browsing things like Facebook and xda

Sent from my white LG Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] tbudke:
Lm
[Nexus 5 General] piskr:
Truth about ART

Now we have evaloution based on comparison in real environment testing: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...ormance-wont-blow-away-today-will-get-better/

My experience though is that after more that one month of use ART is fast and stable. The only issue I've had to date is with the new version of Google play services which crashes after every reboot.
[Nexus 5 General] nexusmaniac:
There is a part 3 of this art vs dalvik comparison at the top of this page :)
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
i dont have any crashes on my device. but i dont know what version you mean by 'new'
[Nexus 5 General] piskr:
It's 4.1.32. I didn't experience any crash before this version.
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
i have that version and yup, no crashes
[Nexus 5 General] iamatechnoob:
I have something to ask all N5 users, anyone experienced problems with installing an app in ART runtime? Or rather, the question should be, does the ART runtime have a chance of affecting app installation? I'm having problems installing a particular app, whether through the playstore/side-loaded (it's a game called Deemo btw: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rayark.pluto)

Have restarted phone, and even cleared data and cache as well as clearing the relevant folders in Android/obb.
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
I had this issue sometimes for sideloading but when it didn't work on play store a reboot. Fixed it. It used to give me an error. I'm not on art anymore so can't test that one sorry

Sent from my white LG Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] iamatechnoob:
Have rebooted countless of times but still doesn't work. Don't wish to go back to Dalvik and back to ART afterwards as I have a lot of apps installed (no other problems with other apps though). I know sideloading might have issues with signatures but its weird that the play store is giving me issues too. My friends on other phones are able to download the game just fine so I know it's my device, just not sure what.
[Nexus 5 General] abdel12345:
Are you on a custom ROM?

Sent from my white LG Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] iamatechnoob:
Nope, I'm still running pure stock (though I'm gonna root it soon, after I get some time..).
[Nexus 5 General] sireangelus:
is there any app for root that might make some app use dalvik and some Others use art? i have my gb/nds emulators not working on ART
[Nexus 5 General] bblzd:
Don't think they can ever be used together like that. There is an entire reboot process required for ART to work.
[Nexus 5 General] :
Hi,

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...eplace-dalvik-in-upcoming-release-of-android/.

Credit to misterviolinguy for the link to Android Police (HERE).

:)
[Nexus 5 General] jjhiza:
I'm a little iffy on the practicality of Google doing this... The upcoming release is rumored to have serious root ramifications, and ART isn't currently stable enough to be used with certain root apps, like TiBu. Add to that the growing discomfort regarding rumors that Google is shutting down the Nexus program, and we could quickly find ourselves in Android purgatory.

I'm fine with ART being the primary runtime, just as long as it's stable with all root apps (and all other apps for that matter), and as long as we still have the option to toggle between ART and dalvik... Interesting times ahead for sure.
[Nexus 5 General] :
Hi,

Yes, but we can see that Dalvik runtime will still available (for now). If ART runtime is set as default runtime it's maybe due to some improvements in different directions..., so yes you're right if we have the choice between both, but maybe not for a long time :D

Wait and see...

When I tested Titanium Backup with ART, no issue... Also it's the devs of the apps to give compatibility (or not) like with the different Android versions... (obviously it can take time, it's not easy like this, etc...).

After that I'm still with Dalvik runtime and I'm happy :laugh:

:)
[Nexus 5 General] kleverfarias:
Does anyone using cyanogenmod with ART?
[Nexus 5 General] Mansevolver:
I'm using ART with my Note 3 with CM11, latest nightly. I can't comment how Dalvik runs, as I never use it. ART seems to run just fine.
[Nexus 5 General] eng.stk:
But with every nightly update it rebuilds cache and art takes forever! its the only thing keeping me from ART on nightly based ROMs...
[Nexus 5 General] Mansevolver:
When I update Nightlies it never makes me switch back to ART
[Nexus 5 General] eng.stk:
Not saying its switchs back... ART stays on between nightlies but cache rebuild takes too long comparing to dalvik.
[Nexus 5 General] Mansevolver:
Ah. S I don't have that issue.
[Nexus 5 General] L.iam:
I've uninstalled xposed, and the apps connected (kk themer, bbs & grav box) except for greenfiy.

I've cleared cache in cwm recovery. I select ART, device reboots...

I check dev options and under select runtime, it still displays use dalvik.

Any advice?
[Nexus 5 General] :
Hi,

Not compatible, that's all...

From Xposed Framework thread (easy to find...):

And:

:)
[Nexus 5 General] L.iam:
Thanks for the reply but, I'm trying to switch to ART after uninstalling xposed and all of the modules...
[Nexus 5 General] yyz71:
Take's way to long to boot:( Good thing the ROM I'm using has a hootboot function:good: kinda speeds up the reboot process. Flash a kernel :eek:
[Nexus 5 General] :
Re,

Did you reboot after uninstall all the Xposed stuff (just a normal reboot)?

Then switch to ART runtime...

:)
[Nexus 5 General] L.iam:
:silly: I had forgotten to uninstall from within Xposed Installer, had to reinstall xposed and uninstall correctly...

Thanks for the help all, I feel stupid now
[Nexus 5 General] Rusty!:
It didn't affect boot speed at all, unless you've done something that requires a cache rebuild... Then it takes forever!
[Nexus 5 General] :
Hi,

I recommend using DraStic for your ds emulator, as it is compatible with ART. In not sure about a compatible gameboy emulator, just trial and error different APIs and see which ones work.
[Nexus 5 General] x111:
For now ART complete useless development, cause it does not working on my Nexus 5 with [ROM] [4.4.2] SlimKat (hammerhead) and do not compatible with all apps which I am using and which are necessary for me.

p.s. by the way, it is helpful for me topic, thanks.
[Nexus 5 General] Tunderpimp:
I'm using art with rastakat and Trinity. No problems so far.
[Nexus 5 General] wideasleep1:
Those claiming ART is placebo should open their made-up minds and try some lag tests like above, comparing Dalvik versus ART.
[Nexus 5 General] italia0101:
I don't think placebo is quite correct .. Its faster in some situations ... Is it a totally different experience like some people are saying ?

No way . at least in my opinion .. I'm hearing crazy things like dalvik is a lag fest ... Seriously ?

I do think a lot of people see what they want to see when trying something new though
[Nexus 5 General] jlevy73:
It definitely improves some things compared to dalvik and in some cases still has a ways to go. Here's a piece by android police doing some benchmark testing.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...ormance-wont-blow-away-today-will-get-better/