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[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
Really funny.. I hope we (you) all know that we keep the thought of: "We get the update otherwise I sell my Xperia SP" in place here?

One of the biggest rules here is not to spread rumors and come with legit proof.. So far only a few have done this and the rest is still discussion and feeding eachother with the fact that we might or might not get the update....

It is annoying as hell ;)

Also this is XDA-Developers. No KitKat? Fine I just put a custom ROM on it.. And done... It is not that hard is it?

It would be nice if we (you) can just shut the F up untill we hear official news. (also see the OP that is the main reason this thread has started)

~~Regards
[Xperia SP General] ShinOrochiX:
Lol another argument. :-o

Btw I asked Sony and got the typical answer and a bit more.

"Greetings from Sony Xperia support.

We value the importance of your concern.

As per your query, we would like to inform you that Google Android 4.4 (KitKat) is under investigation means under process. Xperia SP software is dependent on a number of factors including: screen resolution, hardware platform and RAM.

Also we would like to inform you that Software updates are released at different times depending on operator and country. Therefore, we cannot give you an exact date for when a specific update will be available for your device.

You can check the availability of latest update for your handset using the link mentioned below:

http://www.sonymobile.com/in/software/phones/xperia-sp/"

Notice the bit where they say, under investigation means under process. It could mean something. :-S Alternatively it's my desperate thinking. :-/
[Xperia SP General] zincir:
I know I will. Burned twice on sony, and you know what they say; fooll me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
[Xperia SP General] Jeik:
Gjahahahahahaahahaahaha.

Screen resolution?it has better screen than the m2,same amount of RAM,and wow,dual core,unlike the m2,and yes,1.5 year of elderness. :mad:

Sony is full of it,i am never buying their smartphones again
[Xperia SP General] Hamidreza2010:
+1 :good:
[Xperia SP General] Farooq95:
What about me who bought Xperia ray and suffered buggy ice cream sandwich update for a year and now after buying this same kind of thing happens with Xperia sp.... Why always me???!fack you Sony
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
i already get frustrated about update since i using my xperia mini, sola and L
[Xperia SP General] Jeik:
MY xperia Mini has flawless official ICS,so speak for yourself
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
Yes, it's so flawless :rolleyes: Based on gingerbread 2.6 kernel, with lots of bugs, half-working notification light, lags everywhere in the interface, low RAM and apps crashing. Pretty flawless ICS, isn't it?
[Xperia SP General] neXus PRIME:
I have seen being satisfied with your phone is very subjective.

Many people rate them differently based on usage and preference. I, for one, am very satisfied with what i bought and what i actually got.

And kitkat will come. No sources, no news. Just gut feeling. Everyone can disagree with this.
[Xperia SP General] Oblox:
I'm hoping it will but certainly not the end of the world if it doesnt.

Im very happy with my phone both on stock or LBL roms.
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
And this guys is how you should think at this time ;)

I have the exact same feeling about this device and I am happy with it as it!

~~Regards
[Xperia SP General] tomzzi:
Same here... I still own Ray as a backup phone...

History is repeating with SP...

BTW Ray was better phone regarding build quality and screen.

I regret buying SP. All we got was 4.3 full of bugs. Last .205 update is better but still not perfect. And when i purchase phone it was still kitkat as future version.

This was one of the reasons i bought the phone hoping that will get kit kat.
[Xperia SP General] TechnoSparks:
Let us look at the bright side; at least our SPs can still live if it encounters a decent drop. Thanks to its enforced glass of course.

i am not so sure if i am being sarcastic or what.....
[Xperia SP General] Daniel D.:
If all hopes fail, you can still install CM11. I did this with an old Motorola Defy from a friend and holy sh** - such a lame phone runs "like hell" (a lot faster and smoother) compared to Froyo 2.2.
[Xperia SP General] miku6r:
Do you know [MENTION=2482775]Achotjan[/MENTION]? I think SONY won't give us KK but he will :)
[Xperia SP General] klacenas:
FUTURE VERSION - plan, development not yet started

UNDER INVESTIGATION - development on process, they're doing it now
[Xperia SP General] daniLaLaLaLaLa:
So shame on me because i'm burned eleventh times on sony (sony ericsson xperia too).

i'm thinking about to move on from sony but i can't since i'm too trust to sony from the legendary xperia x8 till now on xperia zl. Verh shame on me..

Sent from my C6502 using Instagram
[Xperia SP General] Bares:
Most of us probably knew him ( [MENTION=2482775]Achotjan[/MENTION] ) and his Overlay project, one of the best Developer on this community though. Not sure that he have this device, so ???...

BTW, let's wait for official KK from Sony first.

If there is no official Sony's KK for Xperia SP, then no more Sony's (at least Mid range phone) for me.
[Xperia SP General] classicalpunk:
At least you had ICS, I had the xperia Play before, it never made it past GB :(
[Xperia SP General] antkalaitzakis96:
yes it did..Sony released a beta version of it and developers made their custom roms working like a charm
[Xperia SP General] classicalpunk:
Yeah, a "beta" version, and for the custom roms at the time, none of them was quite stable or had enough free RAM to perform well, and after that it was more of a hardware problem (the power button was already quite shady at the start, now it doesn't even work anymore :rolleyes:). I hope it will be better with the SP (It have to be better :fingers-crossed:)
[Xperia SP General] Daniel D.:
I had a good yawn after reading this :rolleyes:. Grow up!
[Xperia SP General] Bares:
Ok, Let me explain to you dear.

This device is my first Sony's Mid Range phone.

If you try to have a look about how Sony threat this device from the beginning (for software update, including fix some issues)

then you should relize how good Sony's support for their Mid Range phone (i'm not talking about Ray, P, L, etc).

I'm not talking about KK update only, because i can help my self for this, but i'm talking about how good Sony treated us to bring their latest work on this device as their promise at very long time ago.

As i said, i'm gona wait for that, no matter if they need 1 or 2 months (since now) to build it for SP, as long as they fulfill the promise i can accept it.

If no, then no more Sony's Mid Range phone for me (of course not for you).

Someone said Anyone who fell in the same hole twice is donkey.

So, i had a good yawn for you too dear :rolleyes: .... Wake Up !!!
[Xperia SP General] Oblox:
I think peoples mentality needs to change as the companies aren't going to pander to us.

You buy the phone AS IS and are happy with it as you bought it.

Any subsequent releases are a privilege not a right.

Think like this and youll be happy no matter what. Id very much doubt switching phone manufacturers will change the situation from what I can see they are all as bad with mid range phones and even flagships aren't released that promptly.
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
For the love of God...

Are you guys still *****ing about the update? Can you guys just wait for that matter untill there is some news?

It is just stupid that we keep on trolling, flaming etc..

~~Regards
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
Does you still believe Sony will upgrade our devices?

only stay 2 months to finish the entire period
[Xperia SP General] tomxii:
It would be funny and awesome if they do update it and the time they do you have just a few weeks left of support
[Xperia SP General] klacenas:
It will not take very long, a stable build is just around the corner. Rapid development on going.

http://www.cmxlog.com/11/huashan/
[Xperia SP General] Hamidreza2010:
Its very good and happy news for us if happen it
[Xperia SP General] theboss24x7:
Sony mobile team's official response

I sent an official email to SONY CARE and this is what they replied.

PS:-I couldn't understand what 'unable to commit' meant.I hope it isn't any bad news.
[Xperia SP General] lee480:
Unable to commit >>> no commitment to update SP >>> most probably .207 is the final update.
[Xperia SP General] antkalaitzakis96:
they can't really tell you if it will get the update because it is still tested from Sony
[Xperia SP General] QBerto:
About what times we need to say u (all of u) that (ironically) the support ppl knows NOTHING about... er... nothing xD....

Stop sending mail about updates, the info they say us just a form and they can't give a real answer (because they can't get the info, just like us)....

so stop this **** pl0x and wait until official announcement (that means here or here) and STFU until then xD.
[Xperia SP General] ShinOrochiX:
The thing is that they may never give official information, instead they may wait till October and then change the software support page to 4.3 final version. That's the worry.

Plus you never know, there's always the possibility that an employee could "accidently" release information regarding KitKat.
[Xperia SP General] MixoMaxoViper:
I want 4.4 for kernel only-CM12(L)
[Xperia SP General] theboss24x7:
Yes.I too agree that nobody cares about CM11.

But for anyone who desperately needs to show-off with Kitkat on XSP.It is the only choice.

Stock ROMs are beautiful, fluid, smooth.Agree with you all.My gut feeling is that Sony's working hard to give us something spl.

Just wait, guys and see!
[Xperia SP General] neXus PRIME:
Off topic.
[Xperia SP General] Daniel D.:
I think Xperia SP users are the most childish ones.
[Xperia SP General] Jeik:
Off topic

Everyone wants CM,but we want stock based 4.4 ROMs too.
[Xperia SP General] SpaceCaker:
Hold on!

Not all xperia sp users are!

Speak for yourself bro
[Xperia SP General] Daniel D.:
Of course, but the main part of them - look at this topic here.
[Xperia SP General] lee480:
Sony ended supported for Xperia T, TX and V. Do notice that T, TX and V was updated together with Xperia SP for 4.3. Looks like precedent will set for Xperia SP soon.
[Xperia SP General] RoXzAn:
xperia T, TX and V got two major updates hope we will also get two major updates.
[Xperia SP General] ShinOrochiX:
Funny you say that, you own an Xperia SP as well. :P

Lets hope we get something regarding KitKat soon.
[Xperia SP General] zaryab:
If Sony are to end Xperia SP support

then they should tell today other wise people will get their hopes v.high of getting KITKAT
[Xperia SP General] xAD3r1ty:
In my opinion, if most of those phones got two major updates, it's only fair that sp gets another one too, we only had 4.1 to 4.3 and that was it.. Everyone here wants kk, everyone in their deep hearts think that sony is doing it, now, It's really obvious that sony doesn't care about xsp, but.. If they do it, it's to make xsp costumers happy so that their next phone can be a sony because sony was so cool to give kk in the end of the support, the other chance is that they are just making time until they can announce the end of xsp support, which shows that they don't even care that those costumers won't buy sony phones in the future, most likely to be the second chance..

Just be ready for what's coming
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
My Prediction

I believe xperia sp will receive similar fate :(
[Xperia SP General] xAD3r1ty:
Most likely... if they were working on it they would atleast tell us "We are working on it" , if everything is silent that's because they are not working on anything for it xD, they must be like "Omfg why did we put kk under investigation, we just gave them false hopes" xD
[Xperia SP General] claudio917:
Well this is just your opinion, gentlemen... Nobody? I care, especially when Sony is probably gonna cut the support for XSP... I don't think is very useful and mature to keep complaining about updates here, it's not gonna change anything. I'm still using 10 July CM11 nightly and it works almost perfectly, battery is almost the same as stock and I don't care no more about Sony's 4.3 UI and its stupid apps... I used to love apps like Walkman, for istance, but once you get used to Apollo and other CM apps which are much more smooth... I can't stand the absence of immersive mode, I haven't ram management issues no more, so i'm very happy and some functions are very cool. If the community devs can solve the 2nd mic issue (recording videos at the moment is terrible) and get the same speaker volume as stock rom and it's gonna be perfect, these are the only things that lack. Still, I consider .205-.207 firmware much more laggy and heavier than some CM versions, so speak for yourself when you say that nobody cares.
[Xperia SP General] NestorC:
But if they wanted to end support they would say it today, along with V,T,TX, why to wait any longer? Like they care if someone say something about 18 months support period, they can always make an excuse why not to update if they want to.
[Xperia SP General] Daniel D.:
I know. I made some posts here, too. :angel:
[Xperia SP General] QBerto:
You need to learn to make quotes (?)

anyway... the point is that, there's no better source of information (that the official ones), e-mail them if u want, but save the answer for you, because is useless, that guys can say you nothing relevant/important... and every time a new mail from sony support come here there are 2, 3 new pages of "I'll poop my pants and sell my sp if not get kk from sony" and that's why this thread was the spam thread of SP forum (or XDA? xD)

btw, if you can live w/o KK (wich is true actually), why you mail them then? xD. oh the irony (?)

Now... well I think was implicit, but it seems no, so, obviously I'm talking just for official sony KK (for the links and blabla)... there will be ppl that can go into orgasm with CM11 and is ok there are a lot of roms based on whatever you want (cm, aosp, stock)and that is the magic here xD...

The point here is (and the important for a developers forum) if SP get KK, that means (probably) new kernel, and new sources to continue develop, and thats the only reason KK release for SP is important

Now... with the end for support for T, TX and V, I think SP is the next, but well If the page was changed today, that means sony give almost two years of support to T (released september 2012, for the note, TX: october 2012, V: december 2012)... we have to remember T was a flagship, but maybe Sony is not giving just 18months for SP

They can't release (real) information because they can't access that info xD, there are "levels" of info that you can get dependant your job, and the support ones is one of the lowest

Go home, u're drunk, I never said that xD
[Xperia SP General] UsernameWasTaken:
Meanwhile, in a parallel dimension, Sony is looking to turn around its fortune in general:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/21/sony-new-business-department/

They should start with keeping the customers they have.
[Xperia SP General] diolo:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/08/22/sony-ends-support-for-the-xperia-t-tx-and-v/ check this. Nothing about our Sp, we still have a chance.
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
Don't forget that Sony keeps our phone in the "T,TX and V" group when it comes to updates. If these devices aren't getting KK, we are also not getting it. It's just a matter of time before Sony announces EOL for SP.

Well, now I'm sure that they released. 207 + made Sketch available for us just to say: "well, you got an update + KK feature, so KK is not necessary for you".

And also, "Under Investigation" doesn't mean "Under testing, we are working on it". It means: "We need to think about this, just give us half a year or so"

Let's not start the war between optimists and realists, OK? Pretty please :p
[Xperia SP General] noahvt:
Then why didn't they end the xsp's support at the same time?
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
Fixed that for ya... :angel:
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
Because our "18-month support period" ends in two months, so this would be against Google. So they'll do it after two months, meanwhile releasing some useless app/firmware updates(I expect a keyboard update, and something like .210 fw update).
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
I hope they don't.. Not just because our hardware can support it (which is just the goddamn truth why on earth has a lower end device KitKat?) but this is also a major stab in the back of the users of the Xperia SP. I for one doesn't care anymore. I hope they can fix the last bugs so that I can sell it to get an iPhone with not only better hardware but also better support in updates :angel:

~~Regards
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
Hmm, also a random thought:

Let's look at the situation from average customer perspective.

He/she wants to buy a decent phone without spending $502983 on a flagship phone.

Then he/she finds Xperia V, SP and T3. Then compares the specs:

"Hmm, these phones are basically the same... MSM8960 processor in V and SP... Oh, MSM8960T in the SP, probably a typo on the writer's side. It's dual core, ugh, probably it's crap compared to t3's quad core. And then, same screens, same everything... Every phone has 1GB RAM, whatever it means... And V has a slightly better camera, whatever, I have a separate camera. But XSP and XV are soooooo old... Well, T3 has KitKat and has newer and more attractive wallpapers in the promos, so it's probably waaaay better. Nice, I'm buying T3"

Sony also tries to look at everything from "average consumer point of view"(the bold fragment). This is just my theory why our phone is treated the same as TX,V and T...
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
A normal user does not look into the hardware that detailed. So it does not make sense. Also the Drivers/files for KitKat are already done because the moto X (with the exact same hardware as ours) does have KitKat ;)

So if we want a stable Xperia Z port of KitKat we can build it because the needed files are there.

~~Regards
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
Well, maybe it's a newbie-tech user :laugh: But you are right ;) Somehow I can't imagine real "average user" situation, maybe because I'm not an average user.

But I think it makes sense, because this is the most possible reason for the same treatment of T,V,TX and SP.

And Sony doesn't care if the drivers are done or not, if they don't want to, they won't use them just because they can. They have a lot of experience when it comes to making OSes with outdated parts.

Also the Moto X blobs won't help much in xda development.
[Xperia SP General] pranavthombare:
Whoooohooooo [MENTION=4488810]Levered[/MENTION]

That's called information.
[Xperia SP General] Jeik:
So with that,it means we will get 4.4?
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
I just hope...but i found this on facebook...:p

btw this not information..
[Xperia SP General] pranavthombare:
Atleast Something relevant rather than a site saying that we'll get kk and apparently has no source
[Xperia SP General] kelumsd:
Its FAKE! Someone has edited that screenshot. PTCRB site does not showing any of these information. You can check it.

https://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=23021
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
does you read carefully on this picture?

read certified product details...

i know this fake news
[Xperia SP General] juitz88:
This is getting really desperate and depressing at the same time. Please check the facts before posting.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ SP
[Xperia SP General] Daniel D.:
And most of them can't read a simple screenshot. [MENTION=4488810]Levered[/MENTION] Nice shot. Thanks for sharing!
[Xperia SP General] ShinOrochiX:
It's pretty obvious it's a damn fake, they (PTCRB) would never say KitKat and final version, it'll be the build version (if there were an actual update). Nice one though. ;)

Also I'm sure you all remember the recent sketch app update, for some reason it has disappeared from my update center, I never installed it, have Sony pulled it? :-/ Anyone experienced this? I have the darned UK firmware.
[Xperia SP General] kelumsd:
Yes bro! :laugh: I have CE1 .205 firmware and I faced the same situation :eek: Don'n know why its dissapeared..... :confused:
[Xperia SP General] lee480:
Just a thought. If they wanted to update Xperia SP to KK, they might as well update T, TX, V to KK. They only differ in the graphic chip in the SOC. So you guys should know whether Xperia SP will be updated.
[Xperia SP General] Patrol619:
As far as I know they have a different platform. T, TX and V - Blue, SP - Viskan. So there is a little chance that in the end we might get KitKat.
[Xperia SP General] juitz88:
Maybe it's a sign! I really hope we will get KK.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ SP
[Xperia SP General] eSu.Matix:
OK. You guys doesn't seem to understand something.

The only thing we should care is 3.10 kernel.

There are 500+ pages of people talking bull**** that they don't even seem to understand.

What we should care is:

Will we be able to port 3.10 from some other device?

Will Android L work fine with 3.4?

Will there be developers who are willing to invest time and effort doing those thing?
[Xperia SP General] xAD3r1ty:
^ What he said
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
We shouldn't care only about 3.10 kernel, even when we get 3.4 KK kernel it will contain some patches, and these patches can make porting L easier.

1. Probably no, because our device has an unique board.

2. Well, it would make absolutely no sense if it didn't work with 3.4 kernel. No device on the market would get L because the manufacturers would be too lazy to make a new kernel for all the devices. Also the news about the kernel change are saying that probably only the devices released after L release will get the new kernel.

3. It's really hard to do it, and it will probably happen only if it's absolutely needed. Or when nobodyAtall buys Xperia SP :P
[Xperia SP General] 7alizani:
Troll master on official Sony support forum
[Xperia SP General] xAD3r1ty:
Can someone just tell sony to drop kk and give us L instead? kappa
[Xperia SP General] ZakooZ:
You want sony to release kitkat? Because that's how you get sony to end device support (right after KK is released for it). I'd rather get L as the last update, because this device won't get 2 more major updates, 1 major update is already pushing it
[Xperia SP General] xAD3r1ty:
We don't even know if we'll get our last major update.. xD btw my question about sony dropping kk for L was sarcasm (kappa)

SPOILER ALERT:

I think that someone who has family or friends who work at sony should get us some information x) SPY MISSION
[Xperia SP General] ShinOrochiX:
There is a user on our forum called gbil who I *think* knows some people in Sony. But he/she never replies to my messages. :-S
[Xperia SP General] Bares:
No need to worry about 4.4 update for SP due to final Sony's decision on T.

Its both on different batch and class, check THIS OUT.

IMHO, KK will be come to this device soon.

Regards
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
While, my xperia sp get broken and dead. so i can't get taste kitkat anymore :(
[Xperia SP General] MixoMaxoViper:
@up

I'm sorry to hear that :(

Thanks for good rom and many ports,mods an themes
[Xperia SP General] Jeik:
Buy the Xperia m2 :D
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
I will continue to contribute if i get another xperia, but i dont have much money to buy another one