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[Xperia SP General] neXus PRIME:
We just received a decent bug fix update few weeks ago. Have some rest guys. I know it still sux for some but be realistic.

Use the phone

Ignore my rant if you think I'm crazy.
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
Well I'd love to but no update to .205 here ;) And the update has been release 2 weeks ago.....
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
i have stopped to discuss with them(sony developers) after 205 fw..and they not reply my email about any updates:(. But i believe sony will directly to update 4.4.4 for xperia t2 ultra, m2 and e1 based our news about update xperia z1, z ultra and z1c:o

yup, i already told this problem to sony developers, but they still not fix it..really bad devices:(

LOL, you're a gentleman to waiting updates. But i really happy to hear any news next month
[Xperia SP General] alexmar95:
it took them way too much to come with the 4.3 update and even so I don't think 4.4 is comming any time soon
[Xperia SP General] lukaskonvica:
Is There any way to give android L on our device?
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
Not from official but yes for CM
[Xperia SP General] pepoluan:
Apple had it easy. How many models have Apple released since the very first iPhone?

Now, count how many models Sony has released since the very first Xperia.

Unless you want Sony only make the Z and Z compact series...
[Xperia SP General] antkalaitzakis96:
and what's better? soooo many models or a long-lasting support?
[Xperia SP General] NestorC:
Yes but there is no mid and low range phones then, which means there will be only expensive phones which one cant all afford. Iphone is a sign for rich people from the beginning, thats what for Apple aimed, if you know what I am talking about, style before performance, no octa cores and such things, just classy unique mark and it costs.
[Xperia SP General] le grande magnetto:
oh, please, stop.
[Xperia SP General] feromgar:
It's really amusing how people try to justify the clusterfu*** that android updates are.

The Fragmentation and delays in updates, it's all Google and OEM's fault.

People can afford an IPhone or a flagship from any of android oems just fine.
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
Well we all know where this is goining..

Android VS Apple talk..

Apple is expensive yes but what do you get:

- High performance device (64 bit CPU)

- Very good front and back camera

- Updates and updates when needed

Apple sucks in the following ways:

- No SD card

- Price is pretty high and depends on internal storage

- iOS is closed source

- Apps only via App store (no way to install them via sideload)

- Need jailbreak to fully use the device and proper customise

Android is better because:

- Open Source

- More choice of devices

- More segments (high/mid/low)

- Can customise without any issue

However it sucks because:

- Support only for 18 months max

- Many apps need root to use full function of the device

- any OEM is bloating their software

- To much choice in mid and low segment

- Way to expensive high segtment

- Poor updates from OEM > Focus on High End devices

So yes both platforms have pro's and cons. Both platforms sucks in their own way (and I havent talked about WP)

My opinion:

I wont buy any OEM device again.

Next device will either be a nexus one or an Iphone. I am done with the OEM updates..
[Xperia SP General] feromgar:
So much reason in this post. And I'm in your same boat too.
[Xperia SP General] greek_assassin:
+1
[Xperia SP General] pepoluan:
So, why didn't you buy Xperia Z? Why buy Xperia SP?
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
Why you dont buy next Iphone 6 :p
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
Because my contract ends in 2016 :P And my cash doesnt grow on trees :(
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
what contract you have?
[Xperia SP General] feromgar:
Illumination bar.
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
Two year contract with vodafone unlimited sms, 300 call min and 1 gb data and ofcourse LTE :)
[Xperia SP General] UsernameWasTaken:
Can we please stop with "i vs a"? Buy whatever you want.

As for the possible future updates, Sony MUST deliver the KK update for SP. It's been 9 months and 4 subversions since original KitKat's been outed, but SP received THREE 4.3 versions. Sony is still "investigating" 4.4. Really!?. Even notorious LG already delivered 4.4.2 to 2013s L9 II, which has the same or lower than SP specs and is on the same market level.

Oh, the olden days and frequency of Nokia's updates...
[Xperia SP General] le grande magnetto:
LG probably cares a lot about their customers and brand.

Btw, did someene else noticed that green theme in 205 is with different (lighter) shade which is ugly now.
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
I see...

but very bad because our device support 18month but your contract 2 years...LOL
[Xperia SP General] le grande magnetto:
Is your contract with monthly payments for phone? Is it cheaper to buy phone that way?
[Xperia SP General] diolo:
I had bought mine with Orange, with monthly payments, and the final price for me was the same as the price of the unbranded phone when I bought it.
[Xperia SP General] feromgar:
Here in my country contracts are a bad joke. You are bounded for 2 years and you have a monthly fee of at least 100 bucks to see any reduction in the price of the phone, and that reduction is really low.

There's nothing here like those contracts in the United States in which the phone prize is 99 dollars even if it's a flagship.
[Xperia SP General] le grande magnetto:
Are you from europe? I remember times when it was (4+ years ago) like in US now. Damn EU regulations. :mad:
[Xperia SP General] feromgar:
No. Colombia, South America.
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
Monthly with free phone total costs a month 33 euros :)
[Xperia SP General] TsunaH:
2 euros per month 8D
[Xperia SP General] feromgar:
An example from my carrier:

Xperia Z2 + 1GB LTE + 1600 minutes to any carrier + 250 sms to any carrier.

Phone: US$ 600 / 440€

Monthly fee: US$ 97 / 71€

Contract: 12 months.

Cool, huh?
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
I just paid 7 USD/month with unlimited Quota plus free 4G network

Now i get free 1 month and i've download more 100Gb with 3G speed 20mbps
[Xperia SP General] TsunaH:
Wtf 71€ per month...

Sent from me
[Xperia SP General] Kucharskov:
50zł per 3 month or without paid per 3/5 months - that's bonus.

BOOOM, whats "zł"? That's in Poland :D
[Xperia SP General] D-SHEL:
Some offtop from me too.

So, ~400$ for Xperia SP off contract with MegaFon's 3Gb LTE and 500 min, 600 sms+mms ~0,34$ per day.

It's Russia...
[Xperia SP General] TsunaH:
I paid my xperia Sp nude and i have contract with Free.

2€ for call and SMS unlimited and 50 mo network

Sent from me
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
Can we get quit with these offtopic chats and start back ontopic ?
[Xperia SP General] zaryab:
No

stay off Topic and delete this Thread
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
Tomorrow is 1st July, and i hope any great news for our devices:)
[Xperia SP General] MixoMaxoViper:
http://motoringcrunch.com/news/sony...t-update-to-pack-exclusive-features/10018971/

http://autoomobile.com/news/sony-xp...lusive-android-4-4-4-kitkat-features/1003311/

Some news for us!
[Xperia SP General] le grande magnetto:
neither one of these articles has any source to confirm that info. I call that BS until more info is reveled.
[Xperia SP General] neXus PRIME:
The article mentions xperia x, what is that [emoji12][emoji12][emoji12]
[Xperia SP General] le grande magnetto:
Probably they just mixed X with Z and they are talking about Z ultra and Z1 :D
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
I'm still not believe any unoffcial news :p
[Xperia SP General] MixoMaxoViper:
@up

Just belive!

SONY-make.belive
[Xperia SP General] le grande magnetto:
yeah, they make you believe that they gonna deliver updates :D

sony - make excuses, customers believe.
[Xperia SP General] MixoMaxoViper:
Good joke bro!
[Xperia SP General] umair42:
When i had xperia u,it had already got ics update.Jb update was on the way.Xperia u can handle jb update but sony said that XU has low resolution so it won't get jb update.

I hope sony gives us kk update and not make excuses.
[Xperia SP General] kontini:
I had an Xperia U too and Sony told that Xperia U had high (not low) resolution for JB because of 512MB RAM limit. Anyway there were some unofficial JB portings like the one I personally released that demonstrates it runs just like ICS so it was a lie and a not 4.4 for SP demonstrates that it is not a special case but it is common habit
[Xperia SP General] antkalaitzakis96:
I had Xperia Sola and Sony didn't release 4.1 for the same reason..the problem is that Sony released those 2 BS phones and not the missing 4.1 update..110mb free ram at clean install..really?? It was the worst phone I ever bought.
[Xperia SP General] antoyn:
If sony puts less bloatware and crap functions on phones, the so-called ram limit problem will gone and update would have been delivered
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
Let's just wait for official news from Sony.

Truth mode on:

But they won't give us the update anyway :p

Truth mode off.
[Xperia SP General] chewlohseng:
That spoiler. Wow. XD
[Xperia SP General] radheck:
summer is comming

july is comming .... and we dont have 4.4 .....
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
Sony: We won't give you KitKat because of ... um... eh 1GB of RAM!

Users: But KitKat needs 512 MB...

Sony: So you have too low screen resolution, sorry.

Users: HD is too low? Moto X has HD screen and it has KK on it.

Sony: So Xperia SP doesn't have... ugh... it clearly doesn't have pedometer. No 4.4 for you!

Users: But...

Sony: DON'T QUESTION IT AND BUY Z2!!!

Users: But Z2 doesn't have pedometer...

Sony: Oh, shut up already and buy 2 Z2s.
[Xperia SP General] MixoMaxoViper:
@up

Funny joke!
[Xperia SP General] tomxii:
You know what's sad? This actually seems pretty close to the truth. They give little to no care for the mid class. Low class is understandable since the hardware isnt all that good. But the worst bit is that some mid class phones (mostly the upper part of the mid sec) are actually pretty good and has great Cost:Performance ratio :(

But than again if i really had the money i would have bought a Nexus instead.....
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
I also think no care for low class is understandable, just like you are saying - the hardware is mostly outdated and not capable of running new Android versions. Also owners of low-range devices don't care about the updates - they know what they bought and mostly they just want a working smartphone, they aren't into updates, new versions and all that stuff.

But mid range is a different story. I would classify our SP as high-class midranger. It's more powerful than Z, but its price is lower and it packs quite a lot of unique features - led bar, aluminium frame and all that good stuff. So I think it clearly classifies it as a candidate for regular updates.

But Sony doesn't care, and I'm sure about one thing - their revenues are mostly mid-range dependent.

Also in my country one mobile carrier clearly favorizes Sony - and that's one of a million reasons why they don't care.
[Xperia SP General] lee480:
This doesn't apply only to Sony, quite common in the Android market.
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
I agree, only GPE and Nexus devices are getting constant support, nothing extraordinary, because these devices are 100% high-end.

Motorola and HTC in my opinion have a good update policy.

Sony is changing but still their "under investigation - few months later - no update because low screen res" is just unaccpetable.

Samsung is really bad when it comes to updates, sometimes flaghips aren't updated.

Idk about LG.
[Xperia SP General] UsernameWasTaken:
LG is stepping up. They just announced that Optimus G and G pro, 2012 models, will get KK. They released KitKat for L9 II, too, their last year's strongest mid-ranger (same or lower specs than XSP). Some models are left in the dust (Optimus 4X), but the situation is somewhat better than before.

Thing is, I switched to Sony because of updates, seeing what they did for Xperia T (4.0>4.1>4.3) and some other models, and I had high hopes. Now, I already look away... considering Moto G 4G.
[Xperia SP General] |>/\nte:
I'm a sony fan, and most of my phones are/were sony/sony ericsson, but I have to tell you.....sony is the worst company when it comes to firmware updates. They make the best phones (in my opinion) and they have the best ui, but they're totally incosistent in updating their phones. Of course, some devices were lucky, like the xperia t or our very own xperia sp, passing through all versions of jelly bean.
[Xperia SP General] lee480:
Nope. Sony practices the same principles as Samsung - flagship first. They're extremely consistent with updates for the Z series. Anyways, it's irrelevant whether Samsung or LG updates their phone. What's important is that Sony makes money out of Xperias while LG don't.
[Xperia SP General] |>/\nte:
I agree that they're consistent in updating the z series, but look at other devices.....they're trying to find excuses not to update the xperia sp, a middle-ranger of 2013, but here's the kick. It's a small beast of a phone, and it's perfectly capable of running kitkat. Also, they didn't make great job with the 4.3 update. Only the last build is fully(?) functional. Anyways, I won't say anything....they'll come with an annouce sometime in this month. Then we'll learn which phones get kitkat and which won't, but I guess the sp won't get it....that's what I've read and heard...
[Xperia SP General] lee480:
Excuses? What excuses? They never mention anything pertaining to Xperia SP and updates other than the 'investigation'. And the already announced which phone will get KitKat and which don't and SP seems missing from the list. Reality please.
[Xperia SP General] |>/\nte:
That "under investigation" is what I'm talking about. They just leave us wait and guess....anyway. I suppose they'll come up with an annouce. Until then, nobody knows whether this device will get kitkat or not.
[Xperia SP General] arabian-knight:
Maybe in 4th of July
[Xperia SP General] MH-Droid:
What in 4th July?? KK??
[Xperia SP General] antkalaitzakis96:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/When....4-KitKat-update-here-is-what-we-know_id48960
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
It's based on old news, so it means nothing right now.
[Xperia SP General] 7alizani:
I already signed petition for KitKat, which reaches 10000 signatures. Still hoping... :laugh:
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
Sony doesn't care about this stupid petition.
[Xperia SP General] 7alizani:
How do you know? Working for Sony?
[Xperia SP General] neXus PRIME:
common sense, maybe. :p
[Xperia SP General] jancsessz:
Not working pcc and sus.

Flashtool+flasmod working UBL.
[Xperia SP General] joel8736:
After installing CM11 (Android 4.4.2) you can feel the difference with stock ROM in global smoothness. Memory management is greatly improved. Transition between apps is smooth. It's like having a new phone.

Also 3g network speed is higher here in France on CM11, you can feel it in everyday usage.

So with new ROM i am expecting these improvement plus better camera management (focus accuracy is really bad).

Otherwise SP is a great phone ! ;)
[Xperia SP General] CaptJunior:
I don't understand please. Kindly explain better
[Xperia SP General] :
If you want to update as quickly as possible you must relock your bootloader.
[Xperia SP General] redaotrosh:
Again may sony postpone the update for couple of days pleawe check below
[Xperia SP General] xHundek:
Ohh... Why Sony? WHY?!
[Xperia SP General] dipesh1502:
Sony testing our patience as well as the final update:'(:'(

Just fed up
[Xperia SP General] comscier:
It does not mean anything.

They do not have the information.

That is why he cannot give you any definite answer.

Understand it this way, they don't give a damn, and the only answer you will get is, it will be there sooner or later. (With whatever reason he is allow to give you, in this case, testing.)
[Xperia SP General] HorNy555:
Well but still there is no official date from Sony... Its still 2013-2012....
[Xperia SP General] zolaisugly:
What he is saying with unlocked bootloader you won't be able to use PCC or sus to update phone.

You will need to use flashtools to update phone,but these will only be available when somebody uploads a ftf file.

Or you can go back to stock kernel,relock bootloader then you can use PCC/sus to update phone if available in your country.
[Xperia SP General] redaotrosh:
may you are right cause I fed up from their cusotmer care everything they know we daont have information or please contact your local support nothing else.
[Xperia SP General] noahvt:
i think he just doesn't know that information so yeah..
[Xperia SP General] jancsessz:
Since he is opened (BL) so you cannot use it the sony refreshment programs only the flashtool!
[Xperia SP General] mrjraider:
We'll see what will happen today. Let us enjoy the last 24 hours of 2013 :)
[Xperia SP General] qamu74:
HI all!

I called the Sony Xperia Hungary

and there they told me that 4.3 is already forgiven:confused:
[Xperia SP General] dipesh1502:
What do you mean by forgiven?:(
[Xperia SP General] qamu74:
sorry!

extended
[Xperia SP General] pm2lp:
That's BS, the firmware was certified last week, obviously they test the FW before they sent it to the PTCRB, not after.. unless they found a bug or a serious problem with it, they just don't release it because they don't want/can't do it for whatever reason.
[Xperia SP General] dipesh1502:
Yes maybe they must have found a serious bug.and they dont want to release buggy fw again so maybe they will rectify it and then release it.
[Xperia SP General] mick232:
This is a generic answer that states the obvious reason for a delay but doesn't say anything about whether this particular update will be delayed or not.

Do you really think any customer support rep will be up to date to the last minute about what is going on in engineering, for dozens of different consumer products they need to handle? Engineering may be verifying last minute bug reports to decide if they block the release or not, they may be assessing the load of the update servers to find out if multiple product updates can be done at the same time without overloading the download servers, they may already have decided to postpone the release to some blocker but don't know how long a fix will take, ...

Trust me, I work in this area. Unless you are talking to level-3 support, you are not going to get a reliable answer. And the reason you are not talking to level-3 support is because dozens of people ask customer support the same pointless question ("when will we get the update for product X?") every hour, so they need have high manpower of less qualified and not specialized level-1 support staff to block this kind of request.
[Xperia SP General] feromgar:
No one cares about them, not just Sony. 10,000 signs are meaningless in the face of a million or so of sales.
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
I don't work for Sony, but it's easy to deduct it from earlier petitions and their results.

1. Petition to release camera and HDMI blobs for Xperia 2011 - no effect.

2. Petitions to update Xperia S, U, P - no effect.

Basically Sony will do what they want to do(it's all about the money - they won't do such unprofitable things as updating a mid-end phone to KitKat.)
[Xperia SP General] donk165:
Checked the Update checker today and it says the Customised UK has finally got the update to 205. Cant test this as i'm on a custom ROM. Now all UK users should be able to get the 4.3 update!
[Xperia SP General] Levered:
Yup, this reality. Sony dont care any petition and they know about this. So, just wait official news this month for better.
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
I agree - we should just wait.

But if Sony says we aren't getting KK because of screen resolution, I will be laughing so hard :D Three phone generations in a row that didn't get the big updates because of their screens praised by Sony just few months later before the support ended:

2011: "Bravia Engine go buy it best screen ever!!!!"

2012: "White magic go buy it best white ever"

2013: "Reality display go buy it wow so realistic"

And at the end of the story: no update for neither of these :p
[Xperia SP General] arabian-knight:
Tomorrow Will see
[Xperia SP General] Farooq95:
Be happy that they released a decent version of 4.3 update.Sony left the 2011 phones like arc s , ray for dead with a buggy version of android

:'(
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
I feel weird when I read posts like that... Are you a fortune teller or what? From where did you get that info?

I own an Xperia neo V(still a decent phone for basic tasks). Well, the buggy ICS wasn't a problem, because there were lots of stable JB or even KK ROMs that weren't so screwed up. And from what I remember, there was an ICS .13 update that was pretty usable and stable :). X2011 at least had testpoints, so one could flash custom kernels without fastboot. The only bad things about 2011s were the lack of HDMI and camera blobs and the 2.6 kernel shipped with ICS without proper implementation of ION.
[Xperia SP General] arabian-knight:
Just set and wait
[Xperia SP General] MrSteve555:
Okay, this is just creepy.

Anyway, I'll just sit and wait(and then hopefully KitKat will arrive, as told by Arabian Knight :p).
[Xperia SP General] arabian-knight:
I hope too ;)
[Xperia SP General] Gamm86:
Why still care about whether we'll get an official 4.4 update?

There are already so many custom KK roms outthere that will always outperform official releases.
[Xperia SP General] neXus PRIME:
Locked boot loader will get KK kernel so we have better chance for Android L.
[Xperia SP General] le grande magnetto:
always? that depends..
[Xperia SP General] werk91:
So 4.3 is.finally out in the uk for customized. Do I update or wait for KitKat? If I update do I have to backup and then format the phone with PCC so I install clean? I would much rather just install it over my apps but I want no problems.. Has anyone even tested it yet?
[Xperia SP General] 7alizani:
Yes, I have tested clean install with SUS, because I have problem with overheating battery on eXistenZ 4.0.0 while watching youtube, and playing games. Uninstalling unwanted stock applications and disabling locationmenagerservice, gives me much stable battery. Yesterday my battery was on 60%, using Facebook app all over the day, watched movie about two hours, some browsing with Opera, today I have battery on 34%.

No lags at all, I am satisfied with latest stock firmware.
[Xperia SP General] werk91:
That's all great but I won't be rooting so can't remove bloatware etc. People on the Sony forum say good things generally so I guess I will just risk it..
[Xperia SP General] guize:
Rooting easely with towelroot

Rooting easely with towelroot.

Stock Sony Xperia Sp 4.3 - 12.1.A.1.205.
[Xperia SP General] hussein1:
2 months Khprya

I think Comes for about 2 months Xperia SP Stock Android 4.4.4

:D:o
[Xperia SP General] MixoMaxoViper:
http://www.gsmmaniak.pl/318970/sony-xperia-sp-e1-m2-t2-ultra-android-442-lipcu/

News,but sorry for language-Polish!
[Xperia SP General] le grande magnetto:
lol there is that table which was in this thread few weeks ago and it was fake.
[Xperia SP General] werk91:
I'm using Barclays Mobile Banking app so rooting is not an option for me at all...
[Xperia SP General] st3ch:
make a backup, crashed my nav app - the only app I have installed

updated OTA, it looks goood
[Xperia SP General] paulux2:
any news?

Sony Xperia SP, PA 4.4 final
[Xperia SP General] sonthe91:
I found this. Hope that's real :)

facebook.com/sonymobile/posts/10152530007813390
[Xperia SP General] paulux2:
yes this is real.. but it's not sure that we'll receive kitkat.. at least it isn't a "no" (for now)