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[Windows Phone 8 General] Amadeus01:
I am wondering..just a idea

If you sideload a app from the store.

The moment you are going to install it, it checks in the store if the App is legall and for updates.

If so, the app install's, if not...............nothings happends.

But what if the developer redraws the app from the store?

Then wat, can i install the app or not?
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
[MENTION=3529492]GoodDayToDie[/MENTION]

I was explaining him the context....

Vanishing apps from the marketplace is most likely caused by the developer not renewing his subscription, in which case, I believe Microsoft needs a different approach than simply removing the apps from the marketplace.

However, the agreement between the developer and microsoft kinda prevents this sort of action. Microsoft has no right to keep supporting the app, since it has no copyright over it.

When the developer decides it is time to remove the app from the marketplace, there is really nothing microsoft can do about it...and this is the argument we've been talking about here.

Even so, technically, microsoft is free of any responsibility in either cases, due to their devious terms of use.

I don;t really like it, but that's how it is. And if you like the platform, you will get over it.

I too, am an avid fan of using offline things: i buy games on a physical DVD, not online.

I don't use steam, and any steam games. at all. Music also goes by in physical disk.

Being a developer is probably an advantage, since i can homebrew the apps i need which would otherwise be costly on the marketplace (except games, but then again, I don't play halo or fifa or big titles anyway).

And presenting this as a disadvantage of the platform (or a restriction), considering all other platforms pretty much do the same, is ignorance at its finest.
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Android is actually much more open in this way... but I disagree that it's ignorance in any way shape or form to call out Microsoft for their user-unfriendly behavior, even if that weren't true. I'm quite fully cognizant of the fact that, for example, iOS does much the same thing. That doesn't exonerate Microsoft though, and I will call them (or anything that smacks of an apologist for them) to task over it.

Microsoft could, if they felt it was in their interest to do so, easily work around the problem you describe of developers withdrawing their apps. The obvious one that comes to mind is to require that apps published on the store be published with a copyright license that grants Microsoft the right to make and distribute copies as necessary to provide copies to those who have a legal right to possess them (that is, people who have bought the app). This would not grant Microsoft the right to sell the app directly, so the developer could still remove the app from sale. However, they could not retroactively (and without compensation) revoke the app's purchase; Microsoft would, for as long as they cared to keep the .XAP file on their servers, be able to provide a copy to whoever bought it from them.

I feel like this is an obvious solution to the problem you described... if you assume that Microsoft is acting in the best interests of its customers. Similar "right to make and distribute copies for the express purpose of..." clauses are fairly common in both copyright law and copyright licenses; for example, when uploading an app to the store, you *do* have to grant Microsoft a license to copy and distribute the app to those who buy (or freely install) it. Microsoft is under no obligation to make that a revocable license. Similarly, copyright law explicitly recognizes the right to duplicate software from a computer's storage into executable memory, including cache lines, registers, and so on. If MS wanted to, they could require such a license.

Unfortunately, Microsoft is not on our side here. They *want* to preserve the "right" (which did not exist in any legal or real-world sense until recently) to retroactively un-sell copyrighted products, without in any way compensating the purchaser. This is also true of Apple, Amazon, and most other "sellers" of DRMed goods.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
I doubt they are going to change this any time soon.

The terms of use imposed by the marketplace have been negotiated with each and every country supported by the marketplace. This will be a very time consuming process to say the least. There are quite a few governments who only want only DRM protected software in this kind of online exchanges (and US is one of them).

Then there's all kinds of association and stuff like this (ACTA, DMCA etc etc) which proactively seek to enforce the DRM mechanism for pretty much everything.

However, in the long term, I can see where this is coming from (yes, I will blame piracy, and windows is probably the most pirated software on the planet).

Maybe, in time, this will change. They obviously heard many of the desires of the developers (they allow homebrew now without having to pay, and they also allow you to develop without having to pay, which is a huge step forward). The platform is getting better and better everyday.

But there is no point in calling this a "restriction", and there is no point in citing the "law" against this, since the "law" itself protects this mechanism and because of the "law" this came to be. The problem is a lot deeper and calling MS on it is still called ignorance. One has to kill the roots first.

And ultimately, it is our fault too. But this has deeper ramifications than one would like to believe.
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Oh, and when you purchase an app, whose name shows up on your credit card statement? Your claims above (that Microsoft merely runs the marketplace, but you buy from the developer/publisher) are incorrect according to Microsoft themselves; the payment is made to them directly, and they pass on the developer's portion (in the publishing world, this is called a "royalty") after taking their cut. This is how the vast majority of stores selling copyrighted goods operate in the real world, be they bookstores or game stores or software stores. Microsoft absolutely could continue making a purchased app available for download even after the developer/publisher withdraws it from "sale".
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
I stand corrected. Payment goes to Microsoft but the "purchase" is technically from the developer. Interesting...
[Windows Phone 8 General] jordanmills:
Yeah it's odd. I actually assumed it was different. As I recall, the relationship between buyers, publishers, and developers usually is different (that is, the publishers contract the devs to build software, pay the devs for the right, then the buyer buys and licenses it from the publisher). It does absolve MS of a lot of responsibility though.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Amadeus01:
Hi Chris

It sounds that you are better of with Droid ;)

Lots of things are not possible because of the restrictions of MS.

They simply don't let developers to go 'deep" in the system operations, so Droid is and will alway's be a step ahaed of us.

I cant speak for Ios, but i think that Ios has the same problem as Wp.

Wp8 is one of the youngest operating systems and are stil in a positive curve.

Gdr3 has made some emprovements, but as always not to everyones liking.

Everything has its cons and pros, and i do believe that if MS opends up to let developers do the same as in Droid that it does gain more popularity.

But the chanche is also that if they do, that there wil be a lot of junk apps comming our way that can do damage to oure beloved handy ( just the same as in the droid store ).

I have lessons learned with droidapps, and bin more than once confronted with a "total kill" and had to reset the darn thing.

I must say that the "total kills" was more at my account ;) but al the same, it's stil possible.
[Windows Phone 8 General] letakgr:
Hello Amadeus01,

I'm not seeing myself going back to droid anytime soon but thanks for your answer!

I see what you are saying but I hope that those things I'm asking for are not so hard to do for Microsoft ,and they will be done before next year, or the os will never grow.

I hope that the next update to 8.1 will be as good as it was for windows 8 for pc's and bring those essential features that we miss! If not, I will have to wait or change platforms....

Plus, and don't get me wrong, I don't think your answer answers my question because all the cons I have stated above had nothing to do with the developers outside MS but from inside the MS...I don't see how volume controls improvements, a better facebook app (it's build from microsoft), a better youtube app (it isn't built because Google did that ''bad boy'' move with the ''we want you to build an HTML 5 youtube app, Microsoft, or you will not have YouTube.Sorry...Or nah!'') and the default apps, would lead to bloatware in the store! I think it's irrelevant!

Thanks!

Chris!
[Windows Phone 8 General] craveforeric:
I have noticed numerous pitfalls when using Windows 8 Phone but I would like to mention 2 for now.

1) Volume Control - when you set your ring tone/volume to silent you also won't be able to enjoy listening to any music app you have on your phone which is completely ludicrous since you paid for what is being claimed as the TOP OF THE LINE OS (can't even make certain functions work properly)

2) Browser Issue - there are lots of browsers available in the market which so much better that IE. I know that Windows is tied up with IE but market wise, people won't buy IE for the simple reason it is difficult to use and you can't use the back and forward functionality compared with other phone browsers.
[Windows Phone 8 General] dazza9075:
Ive never understood this volume thing. everyone is obsessed with changing volumes for different things, an whilst it would save a fraction of a second to change the volume having it preset to different levels I cant see how its the be all and end all of all things wrong with the OS.

I can only think of 3 situations around audio levels, only 1 of which is slightly useful but since using WP7 from day one and now WP8, I cant say ive missed it, hell I have an android device too and only use the master volume control...

Situation

listening to music or playing a game and phone rings or txt msg chimes, audio stops and phone rings. its not any louder than the music you was listening too, so whats the problem? you don't want to annoy people with the ringing? but wait a sec, the music is already blasting away for all to hear so whats the issue.

Sitting in silence where you don't want to disturb people and the phone rings. but wait a sec, this could happen to any OS, so presumably you have turned it off or down before hand, having independent controls wouldn't save you that mad dashed fumble we all do to turn it down if we forgot to do it.

you could use it to fine tune your audio levels to give you slightly different levels of audio for different tasks, ie porn mode, where you want the audio low enough not to give you away whilst leaving the phone to bang away at full whack when the call comes in.

yeah having the third option is slightly useful but there are far more important things missing from WP id rather they tackle first
[Windows Phone 8 General] DaT Franchise:
Wow, gotta love the haters of individual volume control. They actually serve a very good purpose like for me I send/recive an average of 20 emails, 800-1000 texts per day and when I'm listening to music I don't want to listen to my notification going off every minute in my ear. Also at night I want to turn off every sound except the alarm or maybe everything but the alarm and to ringer. Another thing I like is the ability to be on the phone and be able to turn the media volume down and play games when I'm on the phone. So solution?? Let the user have that option to do so it's not that hard. So yes there are people out there that listen to music or "porn" through headphones, it has nothing to do with disturbing someone else. Oh well I guess I'll be called an Android fanboy for that one.
[Windows Phone 8 General] dazza9075:
Firstly you need to calm down with the exaggeration s, I never said I hated the idea of it, hate is a very strong word. your individual case falls under scenario 3, as I called it porn mode although if it was me getting a text msg every 2.5 mins over a 24 hour day every day based on a 50:50 - Send / receive ratio in addition to emails id probably turn it off altogether.
[Windows Phone 8 General] DaT Franchise:
Hahahaha turn it off all together, humm then seeing it's wp8 I couldn't hear my music,video or all important porn. Point proven.
[Windows Phone 8 General] dazza9075:
No, just turn off text msg notification, listen, all I'm saying is its not a big problem that can't be overcome and if that is the crux of all things wrong with wp8, them ms should be pretty happy with them selves. The feature has its uses, I just refuse to believe its Such a big issue, I think its more likely be used as a slap in the face from android/iOS users along the lines of the copy paste feature in wp7, the only difference is that's was useful to most people.
[Windows Phone 8 General] DaT Franchise:
No it's not that big of a deal, just pointing out that it is a nice thing to have and yes ms has a lot more bigger issues to worry about but as a whole wp is way more fluid then Android. I have a g pro g2 HTC one and the 1520 my first wp now if you could combine the ecosystem and fluidity of wp with the freedom of android then ms will have something. I do miss the Google support and all of the browsers totally suck balls compared to Dolphin on android and missing a for real YouTube but all and all I do like my 1520 just a lot to get used too. Give the os a few more options, fix the volume bug on the 1520 and yes it will be pretty jam up. But it's a dog fight out there now and people like value adds. Remote app, smart stay and smart pause are actually really nice and work well on the g2 and g pro . If ms wants a piece of the pie they need to step it up.
[Windows Phone 8 General] zogoibi:
Hmm.... Here's my intake on Lumia 925 and, most of all, on WP8, just in case someone's interested. I very much agree with the OP's idea that WP8 is just about restrictions. Doesn't make much sense to buy one.

But, of course, people seem utterly unable to criticize the device they've _already_ bought.

Enough blurb. Here's my article: Microsoft Lumia 925 and WP8 review
[Windows Phone 8 General] vk1971:
What really disappointed me in WP8 (considering, I have been coming from WP7) was inability to update OS or download apps with USB Cable + PC. Restricting users to only OTA method is step back IMO.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
Your review is obviously biased towards making windows phone 8 look bad.

Like the part where you say 2G is slow for marketplace etc and when you complain you don't get internet when you have 2-3 bars of 2G (like any other phone could do it).

the part that really made me LOL was where you complain that you can't get the to dial pad in one tap.

I think you never owned an iphone/android (or any other species of smartphone for that matter). Pro hint: phones have had a storage space for phone numbers so you don't need to use the dial pad for like 2 decades now. I wonder if you ever noticed it.
[Windows Phone 8 General] zogoibi:
Can't help it if WP is so bad.

Particularly those aren't even opinions; they're facts. Sorry you don't like them.

Can't argue against your beliefs.

Oh, great hint; then maybe that's why phones don't have a dial pad any more for like two decades now.

Whatever. As I said, many people are utterly unable to have a critical attitude towards things they've already bought. I guess it's normal.
[Windows Phone 8 General] VSparxx:
The same can be said about you, you're watching WP from your side of view ( or device bought ), at the end of the day it seems you're blinder than most of us, as trolling a WP dedicated section does not add any benefits to so called "facts" you argue here about.
[Windows Phone 8 General] DaviUnic:
It's really all about opinions here. Some people are clearly more bothered by these restrictions than others, and that's fine, because people have opinions (as they should). You like WP? Good, then use it. You don't? Then use something else that suits you better. Simple as that. There's no need to come here if you don't like WP, you're welcome to tell us about your experience, but once you make your point you can stop provoking other people by constantly repeating yourself over and over again.

Also, what retarded logic says that people who already have windows phones are unable to criticize it? That's basically suggesting that only people who don't have WP can criticize it, because they never actually tried it or owned a WP device, so they know better. I don't think you have the right to make any bold statements if you never had a WP device. Seriously, if you don't like it, that's fine, but don't go ****ting allover the place because of it. .
[Windows Phone 8 General] Amadeus01:
i dont like were this trhread is heading.

Lookes like flaming,

so gentlemen, its weekend so be kind.....
[Windows Phone 8 General] VSparxx:
YOU ARE RIGHT !! OMG i can't believe i was so blind, thank you so much for your patience with us, blind people.

Now please move on .
[Windows Phone 8 General] markbc01:
My first inclination was to skip this thread since it's a loaded topic right out of the gate!

However, after reading every post, (including the Mod's rather gentle cleaning notice ;) ) I have to say: "thank you"...Really!:) Aside from some unfortunate personal sniping, the "cons and rebuttal pros" discussion has been very edifying to me --the new user.

It's not so much a message to MS, as a lesson for folks like me, who are WP8 inbound; or, are thinking about WP8 phones. Anyway, this thread will help look deeper into my "new" phone, and see more aspects of the OS than I might have otherwise. I am grateful for the knowledge!:)
[Windows Phone 8 General] blegs38552:
Regarding #2, I don't agree. There should be a way for the WP to sense when a headphone has been connected to the phone, and to automatically reduce the volume to a safe level. Right now, the users has to remember to lower the volume before starting the music or he/she will get blasted out of her/his seat. Not a safe design!
[Windows Phone 8 General] Gennew:
see thats where you are wrong...the whole idea of smartphones was to offer an alternative to tablets and pc.the average person will be comfortable with the asha phones but they are not,why did symbian phones sell alot if all we cared about was those minor stuffs.ms is doing well at a slow rate,with little simple apps, i cant even get apps for my course of study and yet i wont b able to install those i and my friends are developing n u say thats ok...for christ sake this is my phone,it should have option for third party apps.why isnt there even java support on a so called smart phone

ms is diappointingtg us and they need to address that fact fast or else one day i will overlook my love for Nokia and move on

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when i fisrt heard about windows os for phone,i was greatful but it didnt turn out to be so at least.while the os is fluid and touch sensitivity animation is better than that of android,their lack of continuity baffles me...why doesnt wp have a dustbin,an ability to create varoius users login like in pc...seriously wp has a lkot of abilities that are being overlooked......plus the nokia advantage they have...they are disappointing:confused:
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
WIndows Phone 8.1 fixes most of these complaints....
[Windows Phone 8 General] ezeuba:
I was about to say this, but you beat me to it. WP 8.1 fixes most of these 'issues' and is a sign of where the OS is headed: a great future. I just got my Lumia 822, dev unlocked and updated to 8.1 Dev Preview. Comparing the 8.1 Dev Preview and the stock WP 8 the phone came with, I can say that we will be very much impressed with what MS will roll out when the 8.1 is fully released.
[General Topics] Tim 45:
Anyone know how much o2 uk charge for 3g browsing? Does it come out of the monthly allowance like video calling?

All help appreciated
[Xperia Tablet Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ColdSunNC:
Hello everyone. I got this tablet for my birthday yesterday. After playing with it all day, and then having a sleepless night with it, I can't say anything other than, "Wow." This is my favorite tablet, and I've had quite a few. From iPads, HP, Samsung, and even the new LG GPad 8.3 (which I took back). I absolutely love the Sony feel of quality both in hardware and software. In fact, I really enjoy using the stock ROM. I love the tablet interface and location of the notifications and soft buttons on the bottom right. I have constantly seen a "Software Update Available" notification since yesterday. I've ignored it so far, but its pretty hard.

I hear good and bad things about the update that brings it to 4.2.2. The worst thing I've heard is that the tablet interface is gone and notifications are on top like many of the tablets these days. Honestly, one of the reasons I wanted this thing was how awesome the UI was. Should I upgrade? Is it possible to upgrade without losing the great tablet UI? What is everyone else doing? Any help or comments are highly appreciated. Damn, I just love this thing.
[Xperia Tablet Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bugger561:
I'd upgrade then root with VRoot, and install the following mod: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=47143454#post47143454

Edit: Root app http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2434453

http://www.mgyun.com/vroot
[Xperia Tablet Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ColdSunNC:
Sorry for another question, but I can't seem to find this VRoot you speak of. Would something like that be under Apps, Official Android, or Android Development?
[Xperia Tablet Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cantenna:
I recomen doomlords root method.then before upgrading backup your drmkeys, then officially upgrade to 4.2, then create a new another backup of DRM keys. Then unlock boot loader and install a cm 10.1 rom
[Xperia Tablet Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bugger561:
Here's the official site: http://www.mgyun.com/vroot

It's in chinese but the download is right on the home page banner. It's pretty intuitive to download/install.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] delf0s:
Is there a way to convert a Galaxy S4 I337M to a real google edition? I don't mean flahsing a ROM, etc....I mean, really converting it....to recieve OTAs, etc.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skeamznz:
No
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] delf0s:
Isn't the hardware from a google edition phone exactly the same as i9505 and i337/m?? I don't understand why you wouldn't be able to...
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] memop3:
Hi, Just installed this ROM using the recommended kernel (percy_g2's CM#2). I've search for a bug related to data connections but seems It's only me. SIM card recognizes my provider and I can make/receive calls and sms, but using the data plan it's impossible, showing it's disconnected. Checked and unchecked the roaming option and still doesn't work. What are my options?
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] TheFixItMan:
Reset apn settings to default or manually enter them - your provider can send you the settings

Phone settings

click more or wireless and network settings

Mobile networks

access point names

press menu button on phone

reset to default

Check the apn settings are present & correct for your provider or enter them manually
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] memop3:
Did it and didn't work. As far as I recall, in all other roms I have installed I never changed settings ain APNs, they were empty all the time. The phone automatically gets the connection to the carrier. It was all about enable or disable data.

I called my provider but they say the network itself should recognize you inmediatly.

I just flashed stock and it's working there but not in MIUI.