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[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
I guess it got deleted from the upload section. I'll upload a new one, but have to improve it a little.

Have to get some help from cr2 to avoid som bugs.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cr2:
We need to start a bug list somewhere.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
Ok, what about the wiki at handhelds.org.? Are you a member?

http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
Cool, thanks :D

Will dump straight onto my server in Germany so I can add it to the Wiki reliably!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
Why not the wiki here? Or a "proper" bugtracking database?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] PiTT:
you guys are doing a great job of this...first of all, would this be of any help to you guys?

http://kurobox.com/revolution/what.html

secondly, you are using opie on the universal, there isn't a lot of software for opie am i right? or am i wrong and you can use any linux software? if you can use any linux software, im dumping my wizard for a universal, unless you guys got something in store for us wizard users =)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
If I remember correctly, you can use any Linux software if you can get the developer to compile it for the ARM CPU or if you're confident enough to get the source code (if it's available) and compile it yourself. The only limitations are the CPU speed and screen resolution - there may be some software which 'wants' to run at more than 640x480, and definitely various apps which will run slowly on the Universal's 520Mhz processor.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Mikew:
You maybe able to modify existing software that has already been compiled for this CPU, have a look at the Opie section here http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?s=1d04c84c991049545af026cc9b15a047&showforum=77.

You also need a special cable to enable USB host it has a mini A connector, these are used on the Sharp Zaurus 1000,3000,3100,3200 range of PDAs that support USB host. This PDA also uses LINUX so may get some clues on how to get this working.

Mike
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
*puts fingers in ears*

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA

NOT LISTENING! CAN'T HEAR YOU!

Seriously though: from an end user perspective, if you have to do anything more than installing the software, it's not worth using. "Modify existing software" is not a viable option.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
I have one of these cables, it's about 1.5" long and it came with a USB OTG disk enclosure. AFAIK it simply reverses the rx/tx lines so that the remote device's tx is connected to the PDA's rx and vice versa. Certainly power is given from the PDA, though I think it's a very low current so even a USB stick which relies on USB power will not work.

I have a digital camera I can use to test Host functionality, provided this cable is correct.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] F_P:
Hi everybody,

I'm still trying to have a USB host through the external connector (btw thanks for the register dump) but, as far as I know, the Universal is not OTG (under windows).

It seems that the current hardware is designed for USB device only. The good news is that the input/output signals (D+/-) could be routed to roothub port 2, by now I still have issues with plug detection but I keep working.

Off course, I may have miss something thus if you manage to have a working USB host through the external connector, please let me know :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] speculatrix:
qtopia 4?

I had a play with Qtopia core 4 (i.e. qt-embedded v4)... with a reasonable degree of success on my Zaurus.

Has anyone tried building/running it for the Universal?

Here's a brief discussion:

http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18945

More on OESF about qt/qtopia development:

http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showforum=78

And of course trolltech's community:

http://www.qtopia.net

Paul
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
There are more pressing (hardware-related) issues for Linux on Universal at present :-)

No point changing the body of the car til you've got the engine running and the exhaust pipe on the right side!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mosfet:
Re: qtopia 4?

Hi

I would like to work on porting linux on HTC wizard and I can see that you have some experience with Universal. I would have some questions t o ask you about boot loading, ...?Do you have a IM (MSN/ICQ/Yahoo) account or an email ?

Thanks
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
cvs at sourceforge is up again. Complete with all updates.

Go ahead and update.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] joebush:
2GB SD card

Is it possible to use a 2GB card if the partition to be mounted is created within the 1GB limit?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] nedge2k:
depends if the body has rusted through to the chassis ;)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] EyeOfTheStorm:
Hi Friends,

nice to see some progess in cvs.

How is the status of the current development?

Does the wlan driver transfer in both directions and keep stable over the time? Is there some progress on the touchscreen and is it possible to boot 2.6.16?

It is very quiet in this thread at the moment.

Whats up with cr2 an milanvot?

Would be very happy to read something about your current work.

And before I forget, what is the status of the rootfs image?

Thanks :')
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
Touch screen on Universal is perfect.

At last, look at this screenshot. I managed to get the touch to work perfect.

I have got a lot help from Awelux.

I have used cr2's old ts driver (Revision 1.1.2.6) and just edited som values.

It will be uploaded when i get in contact with cr2.

Here's the screenshot.

Update: I have uploaded the zImage in the upload directory at xda ftp. Just remember to recalibrate (Opie calibrate works just fine, no need to run 'ts_calibrate').
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
\o/

'backed up' to http://xsv.org.uk/zImage.zip

still awaiting new root image =) Would do good I think for the project to have a better "playable demo" ;-)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
I havent worked on it for a while, but i am using it as main Opie. But it is slow compared to the one Milan has modified.

I'll have to talk to cr2 how to fix some bugs first.

Have you tried the zImage madkat? Isent great to finally have it working?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
Yes! This is brilliant 8) Great work, thanks!! :D :D I know a few people who will be impressed to see this.

Will update the Wiki soon with zImage + calib instructions.. still think Opie delay reduction to 3 secs and Calib option would be a good idea :-)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
OK - did someone say the rotation was now faster?

Would it be better to wait til more things have been changed/updated, like WiFi?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cr2:
The gpsd running on /dev/ttyS1 slows down the device

incredibly. It should be removed, updated to 2.32, etc.

There are other small bugs, but i hope we will correct then in the next days.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cr2:
The old "nonlinear" calibration was quite consistent

between the devices. If the new "linear" is also

consistent we can simply hardcode it as an

initial guess.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] EyeOfTheStorm:
This sounds very very nice!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
I have updated the gpsd and linked it to rfcomm0, but it's still slow.

I am thinking about making one with gps support and one without.

And the gpsd are still linking to /dev/ttyS3 when it's compiled with OE.

But there are som other things that slows it down.

Example:

This is my /etc/filesystem. I have to have all this in the file to get rid of a messages like missing filesystem support during the bootup. But before first boot the '/etc/filesystem' has only the regular fielssystems listed up (like the one in Milan's image). And to get rid off the messages i have to copy the generated one in /proc/ to /etc.

And this one also takes some time: Syntesizing the initial hotplug events.

And i have to wait for ages to get true this: "waiting for dev to be fully populated"

But actually, it seems like it boots faster now after i removed the "acx" from autoloading.

And in the dmesg i gets at least 20 lines with the same messages, it says this:

<7>i2c_adapter i2c-0: master_send: writing 2 bytes.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
Re: pxafb.

cr2 and Milanvot:

Is this implemeted in the cvs yet? I haven't seen that Milanvot has uploaded anything since the htcuniversal_acx.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
Opie release for the Universal

Added a new opie release for the Universal. It's not and new OE compiled one, it's just an updated and a little modified one of the Milan's opie image.

Grab it at xda ftp upload section.

Wlan is included in this release.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
thanks :-)

'backed up' to http://xsv.org.uk/opie-universal-R0.tar.bz2

(Upload says it requires another 10 minutes)

Now, though, I need to sleep, so no chance of trying it til tomorrow.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
Wiki at handhelds.org

Madkat:

I have updated the wiki page at handhelds.org :

http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal

I have used your howto in the 'Install linux' part.

Hope that is OK for you.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
No problem :D It's not all my work - I had help from people here - and the Wiki is open for anyone to use, edit, etc. (If you want to edit 'my' guide, go ahead, I won't be offended!)

I see you've updated it with zImage.zip - though step 'o' should now read differently (there is no need to remove the dash (-) from the filename, since there isn't one! :lol: )

Remember to keep it up-to-date if you can - and try to keep them in sync... I've just made similar (zImage) changes to the Wiki here :-)

(I get File Not Found if I try to access the OPIE image so is now at http://xsv.org.uk/opie-universal-R0.tar.bz2.zip - will try to sort that later, it could be a mime-type issue)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] milanvot:
Re: pxafb.

No, it's not. There is one cosmetic problem remaining to be resolved before I put it to CVS.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
Just a quick heads-up...

Loads of "[udevd_071] doesn't exist" messages during boot...

Key_led and Flashlight work well!

HOWEVER,

even after enabling WiFi in WinCE before starting Linux, wlan0 has no MAC address and will not start ("Starting interface failed")

(Still didn't work after connecting to the network in WinCE first)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
ok, solved by a helpful Linux-user at work :-)

He had to

modprobe htcuniversal_acx

after boot

For whatever reason it wasn't hotplugged on startup..?! Too soon? (It's in /etc/modules)

Device now has an ESSID but still no MAC, and Rescan Neighbourhood appears to do nothing.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
If you allready have an ESSID it should have been connected. In Opie Settings i have made a "WLAN" shortcut. Try that one out.

Update

Madkat: I wrote a short howto here: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalNews
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
nope, WLan shortcut seems to try to launch but nothing appears on-screen. Icon disappears from the 'taskbar' too. Doesn't make any difference to whether or not it works.

Will try the HowTo later :-) (After specifying ESSID, does it detect that I need a Network Key, then prompt for one?)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] pasztorl:
Is there any good (or bad) news on the porting project? :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
Well there are news since last time you did a post here :-) .

The TS is now working and that's great news.

We have also created a new WIKI page at handhelds for the Universal (look at my signature in bottom) , i'll try to keep it up to date when there news.

And we gotten ourself a filesserver for the Universal. Funklord is hosting for us at http://gnulinux.biz/files .

The bad news is that it still refuse to boot the 2.6.16 kernel. The other bad news is that there is so little action at the forums the last weeks. I have no idea why, but let's not hope that the intrest around the linux port is dying out.

I am also thinking about creating a mailing list, i can se other project has it, and maybe that could be intresting for all of us, any intrest's?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] EyeOfTheStorm:
The interest dones not die on this port.

I am watching the irc log every day, because there is more action, than in this thread, at the moment.

(The irc-log can be find on the new wiki page at handhelds.org)

The working TS driver is a major step in the right direction, i think.

Keep on working ... i keep on watching :`)

How are things going with the OPIE-rootfs?

I would join a mailing-list!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
Here is an modified version from the one Milanvot (wonder where that guy is?) modified from the BA one:

http://gnulinux.biz/files/Universal/sd-mmc/opie-universal-R0.tar.bz2

I have build a several versions, but there are bugs in it, so i'll just wait until they are fiexed.

I have created a bootstrap-image (linux nongui) and asked cr2 to take a look at it, to see what we have to change to get it faster and more stable.

The problem is that the Universal is not supported yet in the OE repo. so i have to make my own conf files and just try the images out.

Mailing-list'. Ok ' i'll try to create one. I'll post back when it's ready.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] EyeOfTheStorm:
I also think it is a very good idea to start from scratch with a rootfs. So it can be optimised for universal.

I read about it in irc-log, hope cr2 will got a chance to look over it. I think he will also be very happy on getting 2.6.16 to run. Let's make a party, if this kernel starts.

Nice :`)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
My mailserver does mailing lists :-)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] hedgehog:
Hey all,

Just wanted to let you know I would be more than happy to set you guys up with anything the project needs in terms of hosting, mailing lists, emails..etc... bandwidth, space and all the goodies should not be a problem.

Just say the word :)

Hedge
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] hedgehog:
BTW.. which/where is that IRC channel? I've looked everywhere sorry :(

Hedge
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
irc://irc.freenode.net #htc-linux

http://ibot.rikers.org/#htc-linux/
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] samsul:
Hi,

Can someone tell me how to install Linux on my MDA Pro in simple steps.

What are the advantages of installing Linux over installed Windows Mobile 5.

Also can I remove it if i am not happy with it? Can I use any navigation software in Linux?

I am sorry if the questions seems silly, but I am new to Linux.

Thanks in advance.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] hedgehog:
Hello,

The information on the wiki should be pretty straightforward...

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalProgress

If you find anything confusing please let me know and I will update the page directly so that everyone can benifit from new info :)

Booting linux is done using haret under wm5.. you can return to your windows installation by restarting your device. If everything goes well this should not affect your windows installation. Personally I just got a new SD for linux and I just switch SD and boot.

PS. This is still work in progress with many things not working. I do not believe it would be possible to use it as a permanent wm5 replacement at this stage.

Hedge
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] samsul:
Thanks.

I don't seem to be able to download opie image file from there, is there a problem with this download or is it just me?

Thanks again.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] samsul:
I have followed the partinonning procedure but now I have a sd card with 1.19MB instead of 512MB, why?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
Instead of 4, try a higher value. In your case it sounds like 26 or 27 will probably give the desired result - your SDCard maybe has a different sector configuration.

You should have around 32Mb accessible by Windows (or Windows Mobile.) The rest of the SDCard will be accessible by Linux, and cannot be read by Windows Mobile.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] samsul:
Thank you for your help, I have got it working now.

Can I use wifi and GPRS to browse web using Linux? If so, how?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
You can use wifi, but it's allmost unuseable. It's very unstable. Here is a short howto.

http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalNews
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
I haven't got it working myself, and I think you will need to mess around in the console to do it. I forget the link but if you backtrack a few pages in this thread you should find it.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
Yes that's right madkat. You have to use console to get it up. But console is fun.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
Going to bite my tongue and not start my rant on Why We Don't Use Archaic User Interfaces In This Millenium... Kinda similar to why cars don't have wooden wheels any more.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] samsul:
OK, so the wifi and GPRS doesn't work. So whats the point of having Linux on my MDA Pro, can any one give me one reason?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
IT'S NOT FINISHED YET

IT'S STILL IN DEVELOPMENT

This is like taking a new design of concept car for a test drive and then saying "Well the speakers in the back didn't work so why would I want one?"

There's a bunch of guys working very hard on making the WiFi and GPRS work properly, and me reminding them that people like you don't want to mess about with the console. So rest assured, when it's finished, IT WILL WORK and you WON'T be required to mess with obscure things for 6 hours just to make a web page appear on your screen.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] samsul:
Thank you and well done to those who have achieved this so far. I look forward to using my MDA Pro using Linux to browse the web and more.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
Well there wouldn't be much point if you couldn't use it as a phone or get SMS messages, would there :-)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] samsul:
Can I install software on my MDA Pro running Linux, for example Firefox web browser - if so, how do I go about it?

Thanks again guys for all your help, I really do appreciate it.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] pasztorl:
You can install any software that run linux-arm. I installed debian to my mda.

But, You may have speed and memory issues...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] samsul:
How do I install software?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] EyeOfTheStorm:
Hi,

i am watching the IRC log at http://ibot.rikers.org/#htc-linux/ ... but there is no log for the last 3 Days. Is it, because of no activity in irc or is there something wrong with the log?

Thanks
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] hedgehog:
I believe this port to be based on BusyBox. Which should allow you to use ipkg to install applications.

I think the following link should be helpful:

http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Ipkg

Cheers,

Hedge
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] pasztorl:
If you are using opie image (or any familiar image) you must use ipkg.

Ipkg is a small package manager. You can download and install packages

from familiar repository.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] speculatrix:
is the wiki with current status up to date?

I ask because it seems there's been quite a bit of progress and on many fronts and wiki doesn't reflect it.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] goxboxlive:
Re: is the wiki with current status up to date?

wich WIKI are you talking about? I have no clue about the xda wiki, buit the handhelds.org wiki is up to date.

Is there anything in the xda wiki you miss?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] speculatrix:
which wiki?

this one:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalProgress
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cdgoin:
OK feel free to smack me or call me a troll..

Overall I have never had much use for Lunix. Especially on my PC. I have been a Windows excUser since Windows 3.0.

I also of the life of me can not figure out why someone would want to hack such a beautifully operating and expensive device like the Universal to get Lunix to run on it.

That said..

I can see the severe limitations of WM5, and if I am correct any program that runs on Lunix will run on Lunix no matter the hardware.. So... I can see some benefit of installing Lunix on a Universal, especially if I could play Quake on it ;)

So... what is the reason, and can you turn the Universal from a "kijnd of like mini-laptop" into a real mini-laptop with Lunix or would I just be beating my head against a wall with half runnign applications and no phone.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] EyeOfTheStorm:
It's called "Linux"
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] madkat:
Yes, that's the idea. The phone will work, and so will GPRS and 3G and SMS. But you'll have a much more functional operating system than Windows Mobile, with much more choice of software.

FWIW I know many people who have been using Linux as their desktop operating system and have now switched over to Windows because it just takes so much less arsing about to make it do what you want. Granted, it wasn't always that way, but XP is much more consumer-friendly and much more user-friendly even for a technical person. Vista should be much the same as XP if you're a techy, but even more consumer-friendly. Most of the Linux vs Windows arguments are very difficult to make these days.

However, as an operating system Windows Mobile 5 is very restrictive and most of the software is small & ugly. And costs as much as desktop software!!! Something just doesn't seem right about that.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] speculatrix:
Linux vs Palm & WinCE

the original poster was more of a troll than anything, but I'll also carry the torch for linux.

Having tried a PalmT3 and a Dell Axim V51/WM5 device, I've found the most stable networking is on linux (Sharp Zaurus)... I've happily used gprs, bluetooth PAN, bluetooth PPP, and wifi to connect to internet and use browsers such as Opera and Netfront, and connectivity has been far more reliable than PalmOs and WM5. In fact, trying to get WM5 to use the GPRS compact flash modem was far from trivial.

I can copy files to/from linux using windows shares or scp, far easier than messing about with sync.

I can compile C/C++ on my zaurus. I can run a full-featured web server, with php and other languages. There's not much, apart from memory/cpu hogs, you can't run with a little effort.

Sure, if you just want PIM, a basic older Palm is ideal, but if you want a really flexible pocket computer, linux is perhaps the only choice.