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[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
I don't really know what to say, you clearly have a biased opinion towards the MOTO X.

That said, Look at my sig. Does it look like I have not tried phones or have a base for my opinons? I did not purchase a MOTO X because I tried it for a few hours in the store and used a buddies and had no interest. It is pretty smooth for an S4 Pro I'll give it that. Battery and performance still cant touch a G2 and overall I am still left with no desire whatsoever to own one.

You can love it all you like, that is what choice is all about. To say it trumps a G2/N5 or even an HTC One/S4 is just plain biased crap. Sure it has it's +'s against each one, but trumps? Definitely not.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
how is it biased? have you used those phones and compared and contrasted them? No you have not. I have and no matter the specs that spec whores continue to tout the moto X is smoother, more fluid and works all the time. The features it has trump all the gimmicky features from most of these other more powerful phones
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
Did you bother to read what I said? I HAVE used them and compared them. I own a G2 and N5 and have spent hours with the MOTO X. I don't own one because I find it quite inferior. It has some neat features, sure. But battery, performance, price, and value leave much to be desired.

Like I said it is all about choice. If you say YOU prefer it, than fine. But if you want to use words like "TRUMPS" when comparing the Moto X to a G2/N5/HTC One/S4 you better be prepared to have something to show for it other than your biased opinions of features and ignoring the fact that it is significantly slower with a subpar screen and average battery life (no where near G2/S4/NoteIII). then you throw in $480 vs $300 for 16gb. in the N5 battle... yeah there is no way the Moto X comes close at $180 more, let alone "trumps".
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
thats fine but you can not call my opinion biased being that I came up with a different conclusion as you
[Nexus 5 General] barondebxl:
Lol fellas it's all good you both have valid points. The Moto X is really loved, seems to me that anybody that owns that phone really likes it. But I'm not sure it"trumps" the HTC one, S4 and G2.

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True, but the moto X performs like a champ.
[Nexus 5 General] bbedward:
The Moto X is a great phone, but I don't see spending $200 more for it.

It has good battery life, average camera, average build quality, average speaker, etc. (The nexus 5 is likely on par with all of it, better in some, worse in some). Lets be real, the key selling points for the moto X are the always listening feature, active notifications, and customizability. NOT the amazing hardware, low price, etc.

It has some unique software features, but I'm not too interested in any of them (the active notifications is cool, and only practical on an AMOLED screen).

If I was the average consumer, buying an on-contract phone I would consider both the $149 Nexus 5 and the $199 Moto X. Off-contract, I can't picture anybody in their right mind spending $550 for a moto x over $350 for a nexus 5 (I think side by side, nobody would choose the moto x for $200 more).

Some key points though, I am not an average consumer nor am I buying the phone on-contract.

Never the less, it's a fair comparison for a lot of people since most people are average consumers, and a fair amount will be looking at on-contract (maybe down payment price for t-mobile, don't know) phones exclusively.
[Nexus 5 General] lolcopter:
really good video, brings up a lot of valid points

if they were the same price I'd still lean towards the nexus, however if Motorola had released the x at a similar 16gb-for-$350-unlocked months in advance I would have snagged one no question
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Once again people come up to different choice or viewpoint. what bothers me is that if GOD forbid someone believes the MOTO X trumps those other phones specs or not this is the reaction they get. I posted this on the Nexus 5 forum because i sent mine back and this echoed my sentiments almost to the T so i figured it would be helpful for people one way or the other
[Nexus 5 General] barondebxl:
Absolutely, right on the money.
[Nexus 5 General] caribouxda:
Moto X is just a big joke. Those hardware specs belong to before world war II era.
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
Is it just me, or does the dude in the video sound like he's trying to do a Ron Swanson impression?
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
Saying the Moto X TRUMPS the N5 is not a statement of opinion. You are stating it like fact.

You absolutely unequivocally can not say that at $180 more (16gb vs 16gb) the Moto X TRUMPS the N5 with how much slower it is and a severely inferior screen. Why does it trump the N5? Because of some features? I think not. I am sorry but that is just ridiculous.

Again is it a winner FOR YOU, OK. But trumps the N5? *laugh* Even at an even price point I personally would take the N5 all day long personally, but even then I could hardly call any of them trump.
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
:rolleyes:

Specs aren't everything. If the Moto X is capable of providing a good user experience with the specs it has then it's fine for the audience it was intended for. The biggest problem with the Moto X isn't (wasn't) specs, it was it's price.

I know more than one person who I have a lot of respect for who prefers the Moto X to the N5 for personal reasons, and there's nothing wrong with that.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
No your assertion that my conclusion is ridiculous is what is ridiculous SIR! The moto X has a better in hand feel, better software, fast as any other phone N5 included, software just works and the added features touchless controls, active notifications, moto assist , moto connect are truly usable and value added features unlike the other phones. You people who are caught up in the specs are exactly what these manufactures want this way they can convince you in 6 months you need a new device! The usability and functionality of the MOTO X outweighs any spec for me and many others it TRUMPS those phones. Just ask Metalhead or others whom have both the N5 and Moto
[Nexus 5 General] lolcopter:
yup price is moto x's big downfall

given they are now going for $99 on contact they missed a big opportunity with the launch price imo
[Nexus 5 General] caribouxda:
Us android fans are very funny. When it comes to iphone we attack iphone users by mentioning specs. When it comes to our devices we say specs are not important. Yes specs are very important and yes it was overpriced because it had crappy processor.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Thank you and i will say this about the price, for me I am willing to pay that extra 100+ because it is assembled in the USA and its an american company giving americans jobs
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
I have never attacked an iPhone user for their choice of phone and or specs
[Nexus 5 General] Enhanced:
See what happens when you come in with fanboy crap? The tone you used is the reason why this thread went to ****. Relax, there is no need to bash other phones.

There MUST be a reason why a site like Pocketnow is doing this comparison and it's because the comparison is valid. Hell, I clicked on this to thread and watched the video, surely it can't be too absurd. It's not like comparing the Nexus 5 to an iPhone 3G so relax

How bbedward commented on the Moto X was so much better.
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
Speak for yourself, friend. First off, I don't "attack" iPhone users because that's petty bull%*(#; I have had my share of iPhones and though I prefer Android there's nothing wrong with them despite their "inferior" specifications. Secondly, if specs are important to *you* that's fine, but they clearly aren't the barometer by which everyone measures the value of their smartphone experiences, so I recommend that you get over yourself.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
The funny thing is he asserted i was the biased fanboy. I didn't bash the Nexus 5 i just said that I chose my MOTO X over it
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Well stated and PS Go Cowboys!
[Nexus 5 General] Enhanced:
Don't group all of us in that group. Specs are not important, only the experience matters. Sometimes I wish Motorola just released the X without providing a spec sheet. People would have probably fell in love with it.
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
Incorrect sir. you said it TRUMPS it. That is not saying "I chose the Moto X over the N5"

I am not saying specs are everything, I am saying the specs do matter. the N5 is hands down more fluid than the Moto X. Battery life on the N5 beats the Moto X, let alone the G2/NoteIII/GS4. Screen's on any one of these phones are more beautiful than the Moto X.

Can you enjoy a Moto X, absolutely. is the fact that it is underspecced a problem? not at all. Would I buy a slower subpar screen phone for $180 more? Absolutely not. That is MY opinion. That said I would still never say any one of these phones "trumps" the other as it is personal preference first and foremost.

Again I have no problem with you preferring the device, I have a problem with you saying the Moto X trumps ANY of these phones, let alone the G2/N5 that it in no way trumps other than your opinion.

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Again your opinion. I do not agree. I think the G2/One have a much better in hand feel than the Moto X. Touchless controls are utter crap to me. 90% of the features included I find just as gimmicky and useless as those included on a GS4. Those are not fact, and they are not "trump".
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
In my opinion it TRUMPS IT! the user experience is better, more complete and more fluid than either if those phones so to me it trumps it. Just like my 2013 premium V6 mustang fully loaded trumps the v8 , just because the 8 is a little faster it doesnt make it a more balanced car lik the 6 is. the 6 is almost as fast, much better daily user experience and is more enjoyable so it trumps the v8. Same thing here
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
so wait the block that is the HTC one and the slippery block that is the G2 feel better in hand than the MOTO X and I'm showing bias ahahahahahahah
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
What fanboy crap? Do you see my list of phones? I am not a fanboy of any company or device. I am a man of logic and reasoning who uses MY OWN research to determine a better phone for me.

Was my tone poor, sure I'll agree and apologize to that. I personally do not find the Moto X in the class of the HTC One / GS4, let alone G2/N5. My opinion, but I could've worded it better/less argumentative. (based on personal real time usage, not JUST specs)

So you 100% base your feel of a phone on its surface grip? Wow... Well I don't know why I am bothering to continue this convesation then and now I fully understand why you love the Moto X.

personally factors like the shape of the phone and material used play a big role in feel to me. The aluminum body and curve of the HTC One are amazing.

And yes, I am showing a "bias" when I am comparing multiple different phones and companys to the Moto X. What am I biased to? Non-Motorola I guess?
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
Well, now you're sort of bringing the derision onto yourself don't you think? Is that what Jesus would post?
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
you are correct, I just got tired of being heckled and I shouldnt have posted that. my apologies
[Nexus 5 General] Trekkk:
Both great phones

Both phones are excellent, I still find the Moto X as the underdog. It's a much better device then people think it is.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
the moto X is the perfect size, has a great material feel and a nice heft/weight ratio. it also fits well in pockets and doesnt feel like your carrying around a gym weight
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
I agree people do not even go into looking at the phone without starting off from a biased place in the BS spec war.
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
Again opinion, but ok.

Moto X Dimensions	129.3 x 65.3 x 10.4 mm (5.09 x 2.57 x 0.41 in)

Weight	130 g (4.59 oz)

Nexus 5 Dimensions	137.9 x 69.2 x 8.6 mm (5.43 x 2.72 x 0.34 in)

Weight	130 g (4.59 oz)

So they weigh the same amount,the Nexus 5 is thinner but taller/wider to accomidate a bigger screen (which the majority prefer).

Yet one to you is a gym weight and one is the perfect size.

Hrmm...

For reference:

LG G2 Dimensions	138.5 x 70.9 x 8.9 mm (5.45 x 2.79 x 0.35 in)

Weight	143 g (5.04 oz) so a whole 13g heavier.. yeah what a brick.

Galaxy S4 Dimensions	136.6 x 69.8 x 7.9 mm (5.38 x 2.75 x 0.31 in)

Weight	130 g (4.59 oz) hrm weighs the same as well

HTC One	Dimensions	137.4 x 68.2 x 9.3 mm (5.41 x 2.69 x 0.37 in)

Weight	143 g (5.04 oz) Oh noes another 13g heavier... How awful.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
umm actually the gym weight was in reference to the HTC one and the nexus 5 is just a slab flat and blocky the Moto X has a great contour for the hand and fits great inside the natural curve of the hand
[Nexus 5 General] Web-head:
I think this can be summed up rather easily.

Crawl may have responded to you OP, in a condescending way, and I'm not excusing that, but here's the thing. You are in the Nexus 5 forum, posting a thread saying that the Moto X is better than the Nexus 5... What did you hope to accomplish with that?

For an encore, why don't you go into the Xbox One forum and post a video giving a favorable review of the PS4 vs the Xbone...?
[Nexus 5 General] cipsaz:
The Moto X offers a better experience. I still want that even with the N5 in hand, however I won't be getting one. The price is not attractive, I'd rather get the iphone 5s instead of the moto.

Motorola can kiss the butt with their "made in usa" strategy.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
I was hoping to show this video and get honest debate as some in this thread did. Not only did they do that but adult conversation was had. I posted this because i owned both and I sent the Nexus 5 packing. This video almost was exactly what i felt. I think we need to hold google up to a better standard and not just accept Nexus phones because of stats on paper
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
Unfortunately for you a majority of the people are going to find the N5 a better device (not just on paper) and at $180 less.

You have only shown me 2 reasons you like the Moto X better. "Not" gimmicky features and grip/size (well.. yeah its smaller, it has a smaller screen, most of us DON'T want a 4.7" screen or we wouldn't be here). Otherwise the Moto X is thicker and the same weight.

And because you like standing up for a device that runs smoothly on old tech? I guess.

It is still slower, it still has a subpar screen, it is still $180 more, it still has "meh" battery life.

What does Google have to stand up to here exactly? AOSP is preferred by most that are here. I am just not seeing what it is exactly that the N5 is lacking for $180 less than the Moto X. Because TO YOU it is not the ideal shape/material?

Last lets add the fact that the Nexus is a developer device first and foremost.

Anyway, I will let you have at trying to talk people in to spending $180 more for the Moto X over the N5. Good luck.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Screen is sub par for who? Even the video says they prefer the moto screen. It is in no way slower and benchmarks don't mean crap. The speakers are better the camera is equal to the nexus 5 and the speakers on the moto are much better than the nexus 5. The only place where the nexus 5 actually beats the moto is in game play and getting the updates a bit faster other than that the Moto wins

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[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Oh an PS if the nexus is a developer device first and foremost the average user will definitely enjoy the moto x more

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[Nexus 5 General] caribouxda:
Ok then what is the reason you are here? To let us know you choose moto x? Alright cool(honestly who cares). Move on to moto x forums buddy. This is nexus 5 if you still have not realized it.

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Dude you are just trolling here. Again this is nexus 5 forum. If you want to advertise moto x move elsewhere.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Its always nice to see grown men acting like children and not being able to discuss things on their merits. Then we wonder why the country is the way it is

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[Nexus 5 General] Web-head:
Wouldn't it be better to wait for someone to post a thread in either general or questions section, asking opinions on Nexus 5 vs Moto X, or any better phones than Nexus 5 to recommend?

If I went into an Xbone forum and started a thread about how I decided to choose the PS4, and how I and another reporter prefer the PS4, and posted said video, would you think I was performing a public service and trying to spur intelligent debate, or baiting? How about if i went into the Moto X forum and started a thread about how the iPhone 5s is better?

I don't expect you to admit to using a flame bait topic, nor am I 100% saying that you did. What I am saying is that, if you think about it, unsolicited advice to try and dissuade people from choosing a Nexus 5 in the Nexus 5 forum, is probably not the best way to go about being helpful.

My $.02
[Nexus 5 General] barondebxl:
ROFL
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
I have been here along time and I have never trolled anyone. My intention was to give info to those whom have not ordered the nexus 5 or have and felt like I did. They're a lot of people on here that are not happy with their phone and are having issues I was merely pointing my experience out

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[Nexus 5 General] caribouxda:
I am going to every phone section now and open a thread my nexus 5 vs their phone. I bet they will find it very useful lmao!! and you don't even own this phone...while I own it, you will tell me how good/bad it is??? :D
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
First off you don't own every phone like I did both of these secondly. I didn't open this to bash the nexus. If you read the thread you would see that

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[Nexus 5 General] caribouxda:
if your memory still works, you will realize your first post was about a link of some review that pocketnow did and not about YOUR review, since you owned them both ;) bye now.
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
Alright, good grief. There are always "versus" threads with every new phone; there's nothing new here. The problem is that too many of the issues here are subjective and people are getting personally upset about things that don't mean anything:

The Nexus 5 has better technical specifications than the Moto X; got it

Some people find the Moto X experience to be superior thanks to its svelte build and "neat" features such as active notifications and "always on" Google Now; got it

Both phones have their pros and cons and fans and detractors; got it

Let's take a deep breath, learn to respect other people's opinions, stop acting like we personally have all the answers, and move on. :good:
[Nexus 5 General] Zandeer:
Personally I think the Moto X does what it does really well. And I think it is a great fit for the average consumer. It performs well, feels nice in the hand, and well simply it just works. I think it, and soon the Moto G, will be a great way to get Android into more peoples hands. I think the Moto X is the most likely phone to compete for Apple consumers.

Keeping in mind, when I say average consumer, I also am including that most consumers are going to be purchasing phones ON contract.

For me, a T-Mobile customer, that does have a lower bill with no phone subsidy, it makes more sense to me to buy the Nexus 5. Add to that I prefer the complete customization, and developer community of the Nexus.

And while they do have very similar real world performance, regarding what the average user does, facebook, surf the web, etc.. I would not recommend the Moto X to anyone buying off contract.

However, if I was on a standard rate plan,I would have been all over the Moto X.
[Nexus 5 General] barondebxl:
Honestly, I think they are both great phones and I'm not just saying it to say it.

What I think the nexus has over the moto X is:

- Latest and greatest software from Google

- bigger display (pro in my opinion)

- higher resolution display

- better specs, more future proof

- better performance overall (when you consider gaming as well)

- MUCH BETTER development

- PRICE

Moto X over nexus 5:

- Customizable hardware is awesome

- better battery life then N5

- active notifications

- better speaker (the pocketnow video proves it)

- more ergonomic (my opinion)

- Motorola assistant

- phone always listening

Not sure about the cameras. I may have forgotten some stuff. Don't crucify me, it's just my opinion :)
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
I'm on T-Mobile and I have the moto X also the motomaker arrives Friday for T-Mobile

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[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Thank you for the above well thought out posts and discussion. That was my intention when opening this thread

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[Nexus 5 General] jeromejeremytay:
Great comparison.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Thanks metalhead very informative post

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[Nexus 5 General] barondebxl:
And my nexus 5 literally just arrived. Time to compare it with my G2!
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Very cool let us know your findings

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[Nexus 5 General] barondebxl:
Most definitely. I like the design of it, very nice. Not as light as I thought it was after reading all the reviews saying how light it is. Still fairly light though.
[Nexus 5 General] _MetalHead_:
Just doing my part ;)
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Man this XDA app is buggy lately

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[Nexus 5 General] Eliad Kimhy:
Such a redundant comparison...
[Nexus 5 General] c19932:
Totally agreed. I almost pulled the trigger on a t-mobile moto x on Craigslist for 400, thinking that it's a good price relative to the retail price. And then I smacked myself in the head and said what the f are you thinking. This phone is not worth more than 300 regardless of what the retail price is.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Its funny how the anti moto x people not really read the posts by respected members whom have good things to say about the moto x. They just keep bashing the phone
[Nexus 5 General] _MetalHead_:
I would love to hear your reasoning. It is every bit as high end as the GS4 and the HTC One, if not more so. People really, REALLY need to get the whole spec thing out of their heads because it's a complete moot point. As I mentioned in my earlier post, the cores that it uses for its main CPU are krait 300 cores which are identical to the ones in the S600 that's in the GS4 and One. So what if it has 2 less? It uses its 2 cores far more efficiently than those phones use their 4 cores and is noticeably faster and smoother than both of them. Couple that with the 2 contextual computing cores and all the optimization that Motorola did and you have a system that is more advanced than what's in those phones. So if you say it's not worth more than 300, than the other flagships for 2013 must be worth even less.
[Nexus 5 General] barondebxl:
Very First impressions, this Nexus 5 IS FU**ING FAST. Damn this thing is fast. Wow.
[Nexus 5 General] AndreaCristiano:
Amen Metalhead! Thank God for the voice of reason