yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 General] luiseteyo:
So is it definitively true that 4.3 kernels work with 4.4? I need wifi, cause my data plan is not the biggest one so I think I will wait to custom kernels (which will be now very more useful than in 4.3). It's a pity, since 4.4 is more battery efficient for me.

I think this low RAM consumption and better battery life is due to the accomodation of 4.4 to devices with lower specs than nexus 4 so developers will have to re-manage RAM to adapt it to our original neccessities...
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
well, all the 4.4 roms are still using the 4.3 binaries. so they arent true 4.4 roms, but hybrids. 4.3 kernels might not work with the 4.4 binaries. plus im sure that there are lots of other goodies that we are missing out on at the moment.
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
It was always beyond me why anyone ran buggy jss roms when there was perfectly fine jwr releases. I've never even seen a deadlock.
[Nexus 4 General] lowrider262:
Same here, I never even bothered trying a jss rom after reading all the bug reports in the threads.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
jss had fixes in it that jwr lacked, as well as updated gpu drivers. for me personally it wasnt buggy. yes, i did get deadlocks, but only had them happen once or twice every three days or so.
[Nexus 4 General] deani77:
Already get used to deadlocks and I didn't called it a problem anymore... When you get deadlocks, keep calm... Move your eyes from phone screen... Look around then continue typing. No reason for moving from AOSP ROM yet...

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] luiseteyo:
Yes but you resigned to all the Custom Rom good features!! :)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] xBØYxTØYx:
So my sister recently cracked her HTC Raider and I tried to get it off of her so I could replace the screen but now she has messed it up more and now when you plug it in, no light comes on saying its charging, and when you try to turn it on it wount vibrate or do anything. I need to know if anyone else has had this happen to them possibly and if so, how would I fix it? She threw it away so I got it out and want to fix it up to add to my ongoing collection of phones. So far I got a Xperia Ion and a Nexus S 4G and have been wanting an HTC and now finally got one. Thanks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] jer007:
I really hope someone here can help me. I'm running an SGH-1337M (Rogers). I rooted the device a number of months ago with Motochopper and installed Foxhound ROM GT-i9505 (which every guide says works with the SGH-1337M). I've been running this rom for quite a while without issues. Yesterday I I installed Cyanogenmod (cm-10.2-20131102-SNAPSHOT-M1-jfltecan) which worked, until I rebooted the device. When I reboot the phone gets stuck on the Samsung Galaxy S4 boot logo. I've booted into TWRP and tried to reinstall the Foxhound rom which was working but end up with the same results. I've used Kies Firmware upgrade to try and set everything back to default without sucess. Using Odin I tried to reinstall a factory image of my phone, which is sucessfull except nothing changes.

Currently, if using TWRP I do a full wipe of my phone and then install Cyanogenmod it'll work, so long as I don't reboot. If I reboot I need to do a full wipe, reinstall the rom and start all over.

I'm at a complete loss here. I've spent the last 5 hours looking for a solution to this problem without success. Any help is greatly appriciated.

Thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] AxAtAx:
After you did odin, you must do a factory reset. This should clear up the problem. And, are you using the correct kernel for cyan?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bulutudu:
Yesterday I tried to install gingericejelly rom in my s6102;the installation was complete but now its been in boot loop for 12 hours.i had followed all the steps mentioned in this forum.Now I can't even go to recovery mode.the phone just ceases in the logo.

Plzzz help ASAP!!!!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] ivocosta:
Hi

Problably lots of people already asked this. Believe it or not, I searched the forum and i didnt sow that many information about it. I have a mda compact customized with t-mobile software. Basacly I want to take the T-mobile Stuff out, it dosnt even let me set up a gprs account for another operator.

Any help would be thankfull

Ivo
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] jfran:
your best bet would be to get the device unlokcke, ( see the unlock tool in the general section of the forun for the unkocl all in one tool) and then upgrade the rom with that of an imate's or qtek's

hope that helps

Jim
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] ivocosta:
Hi

thanks for quick reply.

I unlocked it already. Its just the t-mob crap i want to get rid off. where about can i donload the roms ?

thanks
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] ivocosta:
found the solution ...

just upgraded it with an original firmware and the no_id file

thanks for the help :)

Ivo
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] Joid:
...and where can i find the original firmware and the no_id file? :?:

I would like to have my Orange m500 clean too! Only with the applications i'd like to use.

Can this only be done with installing those extendedRoms? Its very difficult for me to find a clear tutorial about this.

regards
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] oltp:
The ext-rom brands your magician. When you want to get rid of it just

- make a backup of calendar, contacts, tasks etc.

- hard-reset

- folow initialize procedure on screen

- soft-reset as soon as you get the standard WM background & before the customizatiin (=branding) starts.

You need to do this last step after every hard-reset unless you go for BIG Storage & completely wipe-out the ext-rom & get a storage folder of 27Mb instead of 7Mb.

Instructions for BS are to be found on the forum. No need to search for a special rom, you can do it with your current rom.

Cheers, M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] Joid:
thnx @ oltp

I'll give it a try
[Micromax A110] cantor03:
I want to know the antutu rating of Rayne ROM..

Anybody using that ROM, please post your Reviews..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clorbag:
so i was watching youtube and this guy did a few tests, antutu quadrant etc.the nexus 5 didnt even score as high as s4 on any of them.

is this because of 4.4? dunno just seems really odd a phone equipped the way it is wouldnt make good scores. ik they are mostly superficial but it kinda does matter to me.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndroidInsanity:
Samsung are one of the known companies to optimize their CPU for benchmarks. Ever since this discovery I have come to believe there completely useless!

I am pretty sure Apple do the same but not sure.

So don't bother with them no more is my advice. you will see in real world usage how much faster it is. it's a beast.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mjs2011:
It's the same reason why you don't solely judge a football team by total yards. There's much more to the story.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clorbag:
yeah i thought they were odd. i had phones that were powerful that didnt score well. and phones with less power scoring insane. its really for bragging rights among friends. but its something i seem to use every time i get a new phone. that also explains why some stock roms making better scores then some of the better custom ones.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] digweed4me:
God u ppl it's android 4.4 that's why apps need to be updated for android 4.4.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sn0warmy:
I don't know why this still has to be said every time a new phone is released, but here we go... Benchmark scores mean absolutely NOTHING in real world usability/performance. Stop worrying about it and enjoy your phone (whenever you get it).
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] itpromike:
Actually the same investigators who have brought the benchmark goosing issues to light have already said the neither Motorola nor Apple does this. So some companies benchmarked still hold true.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clorbag:
even if they mean nothing i was curious why the nexus scored lower to comparable phones. so chill man.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheTehk17:
According to Anandtech the performance gain of the "optimizations" is about 5%. So, not much.

And about Apple, what they do is optimize their software for specific benchmarks. Even worse IMO. ;)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knucklesmckay:
He's correct. Even if benchmarks don't matter it still shouldn't score this low. There is something wrong. Like someone said before the benchmark apps probably need to be updated to 4.4. But it is something to keep an eye on. We should keep an eye on real world performance, if that lags than we have the benchmarks as a reference.

Sent from my SGH-I747
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wideasleep1:
Reminds me of The Kardashians...lots of fake drama, ultimately meaning nothing.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aooga:
WHO CARES! Yes, I agree that it shouldn't be benchmarking so low with the same processor as the note 3 and g2, but in real world use, this thing probably flies like the Nexus 4.

I haven't actually used the device, so I actually have no clue if it's fast or not, but according to all the reviews and hands on's, it's fast.

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lol
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sn0warmy:
My point still stands. It all still means nothing. If the benchmark apps update for 4.4 (assuming that this is even the issue) and the scores stay low, then what? Are you going to return your phone? Are you going to demand an explanation from Google/LG? I mean, seriously what does it matter what these arbitrary scores are if your phone performs exactly as you'd expect it to?

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as an ass but it just seems silly to waste time caring about this.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aooga:
Completely agree. :good:
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Phazmos:
Benchmarks are so misunderstood.

Benchmarks won't tell ya how smooth a device will be, at least with hardware within a year or 2 of each other. And that's simply cuz modern hardware will run most any semi well coded os smoothly.

Benchmarks will give ya a real good idea how long a device will take to zip or unzip files, or recode or edit that hd video you just took, or run that 3d intensive game, and many others things.

So ya see, benchmarks can be meaningless, and can be most informative. Depends on what your talking about, and the trolls never say what they are taking about. Merrily we troll along ......... troll along ......... troll along .......
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knucklesmckay:
Doesn't matter to me. Real world performance is all I need. They shouldn't be low though if the g2 is getting 1,000s of points higher. I am sure everything will be fine though when I get mine and test it out.

Sent from my SGH-I747
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndroidInsanity:
But it was the Same with the Nexus 4. the Xperia Z blew it away even with same specs. Which is more evidence that benchmarks are useless.

One thing I can't help but wonder is how much would a iPhone score with a snapdragon 800 :eek:
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clorbag:
some of you are taking this out of context and making it more then it needs to be. all i want to know is why its not scoring as high as expected or to comparable devices. i don't care if benchmark tests mean anything or not.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Enddo:
so far we can only guess that it might not be optimized for 4.4
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mi7chy:
Most synthetic benchmarks are useless and misleading. The only ones I pay attention to are ones based on real game engines like Epic Citadel and Anomaly 2. Can anyone share benchmark results for these two at highest settings?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cdmoore74:
I have been an iPhone 5s user since release day and on paper the A7 is twice as fast as the A6. But when using it it really does not feel twice as fast. It's feels more like an small overclock than a new processor. That being said I have a 2 to 3 week wait for my Nexus 5. I had a Verizon LG G2 for a week and it was definitely faster than the Note 2 I had. I returned it because of all the Verizon bloat and I decided that the only Android phone I would buy is a Nexus phone; no more locked bootloaders.

Just look at the video from the link below about the iPad Air vs the iPad 4. He confirms my feelings about the A7 vs A6. You can skip to the 5 minute mark to see what I'm talking about. The guy is geeky but he keeps you entertained.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRpBvHupPWk
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjtj4444:
QUOTE=technostein;47098668

"One thing I can't help but wonder is how much would a iPhone score with a snapdragon 800 :eek:"

About the same as on Android. IOS smoothness does not increase raw processing power. It is just optimized for low latency in the GUI.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daLareid:
I do want a powerful phone but when people complain about a phone not scoring the highest score in a benchmark, it makes me think what the heck do they want their phones for? to run a PS3 emulator? I mean if you want true power well that's easy buy a pc/laptop/tablet/hybrid.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clorbag:
i do run lots of emulators and am a very heavy user so power is very important for me.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daLareid:
I guess we can't help but to expect a lot from smartphones, it might come to a point where it will actually replace PCs and Laptops. But in the meantime I think we should suffice with how it comes, like I said do not expect it to perform miracles.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vincent Law:
Nexus devices do not "optimize" (Read: cheat) benchmark tests. Other devices, especially Samsung ones, do. They will clock themselves higher and longer when running benchmarks than they do when running any other app (even games). It makes the cheating devices look better despite equal hardware.

Long story short, don't look at benchmarks because even at their best, they're outright invalid.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wotandsdwys:
Benchmark means nothing. Gnex seemed way faster than my current s4 on factory settings. Yet the s4 blows the gnex away on benchmarks. So yes, please for the love of god stahhhhp
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HitNrun_:
i was reading and i cant help it, i have to answer to those coming with "dont pay attention to benchmarks"... i googled why nexus 5 has low benchmark because i wanted to know the REASON, not because i want to pick up a device with 500k benchmark score... I was reading an article that made a test on smartphone devices, apple and android devices. Iphone smartphones where "matching" better with ios that any android device with android systam except of the nexus 5. nexus 5 is much smoother that all other android phones and it is very close to iphones at how it works. The reason that iphones are smoother etc is because ios is made for apple devices (which are iphone and ipad) instead of android devices which are hundred's. I believe that the reason that nexus 5 scores low is because Google pays more attention to how the phone works on hands than on benchmarks (and im sure that some things that a benchmark test is digging in a phone are "locked" in the nexus 5)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jetbruceli:
I find it super strange and after a few resets, antutu scores are pretty low.

3dmark seems low compared to same soc devices.

Why do I use benchmarks?

Really its to see if all is running smooth with kernals and such.

But what gives?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chainsuk:
[I got a score of 35671 on antutu and it said my phone was top have to say it seems blisteringly fast so im very happy.:cyclops:
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elluel:
Thread is old.

Stock ROM on the Nexus 5 is non-optimized, in comparison to other devices (i.e. Samsung) they have specially optimized runtimes (e.g. Dalvik which we take and put on the N5 since it doesn't have an "optimization" for itself). Stock kernel is a "meh" thing, too. Also some OEMs cheat benchmarks, overclocking and/or raising min clock speed when it detects a benchmark running (beyond what it would use in daily use). Samsung being one of the biggest culprits, as they have the most Android users (same marketing as Apple (iPhone), people buy their devices because "popularity") through TouchWiz (which is far from any good), they would naturally "cheat" so their devices seem "better" compared to the "competition".

With most custom kernels for the Nexus 5 and using any of the optimized Dalvik runtime libs, you can easily score the same, if not better, than other devices.

My Nexus 5 pulls a solid 39k on Antutu benchmark without any cooling. Past 40k with it. Average score on Antutu for the Nexus 5 is 25k according to their website, the average is lower because the majority of people (i.e. regular consumer) won't even know what "root" is, maybe not even what Android is. Whereas for other devices, Antutu sees that the average is higher, only because of other devices "cheating".

Which makes it utterly stupid how people compare benchmarks between devices, and base their purchases off it.

Most people who do benchmarks properly do it for one reason; to see how far they can push their system. NOT TO COMPARE.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkluk:
I know im little late, but. Low score?! Watch at benchmark thread where Simm has more then 40k at antutu, etc. You just need some tweaks and custom kernel. Like other said Google dont OC cpu like others and dont give them more priority, so you must done this on your own.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jetbruceli:
Ok but I do benchmarking on computers and they do show what is good and what is bad.

Here on these smaller devices its same for me. I need to make sure all is running the way its suppose to.

If getting 18000 then the next only 13000 makes a big difference to me.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bblzd:
I don't think you actually read what was typed to you. If you did read it you wouldn't be asking the same question a second time.

Benchmarks may not be accurate on mobile devices with various operating limits. This is the case with your phone.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jetbruceli:
No your not reading my input. I am not comparing this to a note 3. I am comparing it to itself.

If the device has to lower its clocks speed after 10 minutes of use then its better to just leave at that speed. Rather than telling me I have a 2.3 GHz processor it should state 1.5

Now the note 3 which I had which also had the same soc never changed in terms of speed. My benchmarks were always the same.

So please man, don't tell this is normal.

Even the nexus 7 2013 keeps the same test scores.

Now I can test apps because there is no fps counter like fraps for it.

What I have noticed is once the device's battery reaches 38c the CPU speed drops to 1.58 GHz.

With this mod for the m8 it at least stay at normal speed up to 45c.

Unfortunately I have not seen it get hotter than that for now.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
then you havent really put your cpu through the tests yet. i can easily reach shutdown temp of 105C cpu temp. again, and its really easy to disable thermal throttle so that you dont have to deal with the headache.

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anyways, it seems as you are only benching graphics tests. since you are testing graphics, your numbers wont be the most accurate as the nexus n5 is limited to 59fps no matter what. this limit is set for the nexus 5.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jetbruceli:
That is sad it drops so quick at those temps, what do you use to disable the throttle?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
if you have root you can use a root file explorer. look in /sys/module/msm_thermal/parameters/enabled.. change the Y to a N, and save. will need to be redone if you reboot. im not sure if its exposed if you use the stock kernel, i use trinity kernel. anyways, ran a bench for you..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bblzd:
I understand what you're trying to say, we are all just pointing out it's normal and not something to worry about. If you want to try and max your benchmark scores there are many ways to go about it but they are not accurate under normal operating parameters.

The M8 is a metal phone which allows the passively cooled internals to stay at higher clock speeds for longer periods of time. Compare that to the S801 in the GS5 with its plastic sealed internals to see how choice of materials makes a large difference in cooling and thus operating limits.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jetbruceli:
Haha its not about high scores. Its about having my nexus perform at the highest speed and not at the lowest after a few minutes

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By the way isnt trinity only for 4.4.2? I used his other devices and was really good.

I tried faux but just not my bottle beer
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
nope. i happen to be part of trinity(trinitys offcial tester) and posted the first trinity 443 kernel in the thread last week. here it is btw http://goo.gl/38Uxte :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] opssemnik:
every device have thermal throtling, that´s why they dont market it as a full time guaranteed 2.26ghz of clock, not even in pc that happens.

however since the s800 default clock (without oc)is 2.26ghz(its the clock that its made for/runs without problems), they market it as a 2,26ghz processor. (because it uses that clock, in correct circunstances).

if you think about it, not even when your device is throtled you get full speed(only sometimes), the governor changes from the minimum to the maximum according to the use you are having. but that dosen´t mean the s800 clock its not a 2.26.

that´s why apple goes using better architeture(armv8 over armv7) and lower clocks/cores.

- less thermal problem (so it can use its full clock more time, if not all the time)

- more raw power per core(yea , a7 does have more raw power per clock than the s800, however its 2 clock less, however again, almost any app uses the whole 4 cores)

- uses less battery

also the big problem with thermal throtling of the nexus 5 its not in the cpu, i´ve ran my n4 clocked at 1.2 and 2 cores disabled without any problem, and still had a good performance.

the problem is in the gpu,the gpu can throtle to 200mhz only, witch is very low, if you want to test by yourself, just get a custom kernel, set the max clock of cpu to 1.2 and go play some game or something like that, it will not lag in the first minutes, but will after some(depeding on game)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bblzd:
If that is true then you should be judging the phone by how it feels and not by synthetic benchmarks. When does it feel slow to you? The only time you would probably notice it is gaming after somewhere between 10-30 mins depending on the temperature of your surroundings.

You can only "sense" the difference by benchmark scores, which will vary wildly. No worries should be had about the performance of your device. There are certainly worries about the hardware over heating without these protections, however.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Charlus97:
Well,

Scores on benchmarks seems to depends of many things as i'm getting 37519 without any OC...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elluel:
Also I've noticed he does the benchmarks right after each other. This would obviously result in lower scores as thermal throttling normally starts at a core temp of 65C, at which it'll drop the clock speed to around 1.7 GHz. Didn't give the CPU enough time to cool down.

Sent from my Nexus 5