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[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jasonstackhouse:
Cant help but to agree with you on this one. I don't know how the tripping knox thing has ever been an issue in the development of the device or for that matter why it is even a concern. Every phone I have ever owned that has been rooted has had a voided warranty on it. So heres my question, are people referencing knox and having a clean counter just to play off the fact no one can break this device? Cause like i said since when has waranty concerns ever been a part of mobile phone development? Im confused at all of this. Ill drop some tricks of the trade on everyone that fears having their waranty voided. Download a kernel for a device that has nothing on earth to do with your phone, flash it, from their your phone is dead, its not soft bricked its not hard bricked, its dead, it won't turn on it can't be accessed through usb, and it can establish no connection at all to a computer. I have done this easily 5 times over the last year with the note one, and what i did from there because the device is covered for a 1 year warranty i took it to the att warranty exchange store, and they give me a brand-new phone. If they can't see the screen that says knox was tripped they can't tell u that ur warranty is voided and ur SOL. Lets remember who works at these stores, they are not engineers or tech experts, they are young adults with out college degrees getting paid ten dollars an hour who perform their job specifically by the book. Now option two is simple, just say u lost your phone pay 150 dollars and u will have a new phone in 1 business day, and if u don't have insurance on a device that cost 750 dollars out of contract than ur just not a smart person and u should def not be trying to root your device or develop anything on your device.

If I were smart enough to break the root on this device i would, but i can't and if there is a developer out there that can, that does so through the method of tripping knox and voiding the warranty i would love to know the method and i would love to rock a phone that has no more warranty.

Attached is my odin mode on my note 1, it has 7 red flags on it, it has a voided warranty, why has this never been a issue for people till now?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] iteam:
Well as far as I know whenever you are rooted, nevermind custom recoveries or custom roms, you will not be able to complete an official update.... that's why with our locked bootloader and no custom recoveries to nandroid with I am holding off...

Read this too:

http://omegadroid.co/wanted-knox-void-warranty-0x1/
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] b0Ne83:
Not sure about that one. Once an update comes out, I'll know ;)
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] lyall29:
You should be able to run the Odin oneclickbin.exe from the Root de la vega thread to return to stock and then be able to update just fine. I rooted my phone using root de la vega, then unrooted and the status changed back to official. So that should be all it takes.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] butchieboy:
Thanks for speedy reply guys
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] iteam:
Correct, but you can't be rooted to receive an OTA... also when you use that method you completely wipe your phone.. just to be clear
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] lyall29:
I guess that's the price we have to pay for foolin' around with our phones. :D
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] iteam:
That it is!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] mrkhigh:
The website boasts removable root anyone care to try however they claim removing the root to see if it goes back to official?

I apologize for the lack of effort on my part but I don't own this device yet... Wife is getting it for Christmas so I'm just in research mode now... Of course it'll be my luck the next roll out will be out and all will be new again by then.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] b0Ne83:
Does anyone have any info if you're on the "next plan" and root the device on what happens when your turn the device in? I bet att will try and charge your for the device or something along those lines.... just a thought.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] butchieboy:
Hey Bone if this helps im on the next plan was having issues with my Note 2days after I got it. I took it in and within 5mins they gave me a new one didnt ask any questions didnt take it to service department just asked what problem was..(battery issue) they didnt even turn the phone on.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Droga:
Same here. The bottom of the screen by the stylus broke 2 days after getting the phone, I went to the store and 30 minutes later I had a brand new GN3.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Mordak:
I can verify it worked without wiping, Knox counter still reads 0x0. :good:

Thanks to all those that brought it to us. And I bought SuperSU Pro from the Play Store atferwards. :laugh:
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] b0Ne83:
What is the benefit to supersu pro?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] butchieboy:
Does the unroot work? Or do we have to use De LA VEGA
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] hawk915402:
I lost my root by mistake....my sim unlock stuck. About to root with kingo.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] seano666:
Uhh that was the easiest root ever, how is this app free?? Really an awesome find, thanks for this thread!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] manny18pr:
I will be getting my N3 this week! I cant wait to finally root it! Do you guys recommend restoring all of the apps with data with titanium or just install the apps fresh and then restore the data only?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] butchieboy:
Well everyone I took the leap...I have root and Adaway is working. The method is so easy. Enable debugging, attach to computer follow the directions which consist of clicking ok on your phone program does the rest. Everything seems to be running fine, and nothing was wiped. You dont even have to enter download mode:):thumbup::p
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] butchieboy:
Screen shot.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Mordak:
A few extra features I can't remember of the top of my head and supporting the development of the app.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
Knox isn't just for warranty. It is used for business access.

Certain business related softwares look for knox apps and at the counter. If they are missing, or the counter is tripped, they will not work on the device.

So... It's not entirely for warranty purposes.

I use my phone for work, but do not need to worry about knox as they don't check it. I also don't need to worry about warranty as I have Geek Squad Protection. No questions asked, get a new device for 150.i also still have my AT&T warranty and protection. I would get a free device.

People think that AT&T is locking bootloaders to stop warranty fraud. That is entirely false. The are locking and using Knox for enterprise customers that need security. It is easier now to completely brick a phone and claim warranty than it ever was.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] lawalty:
The phone I use for work, is actually my phone. The KNOX environment gives me the freedom to use my own phone. If the KNOX is tripped, I can't access the secure environment that I've been accustomed to for work.

Rooting the phone, while not tripping the KNOX brings the best of both worlds.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jasonstackhouse:
Here are all the valid arguments for root one needs

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[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
Has anyone ever heard of the zimperlich exploit?

I might have something to gain root on 4.4.2...

I need someone with the official OTA to PM me.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jerrycoffman45:
i am game
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gearshift:
Wasnt that exploit from a while back pre-gingerbread? I cant see how it could have not been patched by now? but then again never looked into the specifics of the exploit.

Also, i am on clean NC2
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
I ran X-ray on my phone... It is X-Note 4.4.2... It can't determine if that exploit is vulnerable or not. All the others have been patched.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gearshift:
from my quick research, the zimperlich exploit involved a vulnerability with the Zygote dalvik process, and was patched as of 2.3.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
Right, but with XRAY not being able to determine if it is patched or not, something clicked... The patch may have been broken and possibly vulnerable again. It might take some modifications to the code, but it may be viable.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] SpikeyPsyche:
It wouldn't be the first time an exploit that was patched was opened again because someone forgot to incorporate the patch into the main codebase for subsequent major versions.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] KennyLG123:
I was reading this the other day and just wandering if this could be of some use to our note 3 (Super ADB Tool - No more command lines!). I didn't see anything on here to where this would need root or if it would work with our locked device. I figured when you get a chance and see if it can be of any use to us in away.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gearshift:
Wouldn't XRAY also make that same indetermination if the source code that it's aimed to look at is different than how its coded now? Pretty sure zygote works a lot differently than back on 2.2.

Ran X-ray on my stock NC2 and also got "could not determine if device is vulnerable" for Zimperlich

Also from my searches, I can't seem to find any documentation or posts about when x-ray might say its unable to determine vulnerability
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
Exactly what my first thought was. It could have also been broken by a million other things other than someone forgetting it.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gandalf:
The way I see it, there's nothing to lose so why not at least see if someone can whip something up and give it a shot?

anything is worth a shot now with this roadblock.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
Exactly.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
After doing some research, this means that the exploit is still there.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
I sent a message to designgears. Hopefully he gets back to me soon. If so, and he can whip something up, we will need testers that do not care about a tripped Knox flag.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] c-prodigo:
I would volunteer. ... I couldn't care less for the Knox. .. red flag or anything, as long as it doesn't get bricked..
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
Jcase said that he thinks that XRAY is defective instead of the Zygote patch... He seems to not want to check it out. I will wait for designgears to add his input...
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] brauckmiller:
Would doing a fund raiser help encourage the devs to look into this further? I'm down for putting up $25.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
I'm not sure. Let me ask a couple mods if I can start a bounty thread.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gearshift:
Nice work on taking the initiative to seek out more info. let us know what gets found out.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
Bounty thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2708609

Read the OP or so help me FSM I will destroy you all.

Lol
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gearshift:
In the mean time while any of us already stuck on NC2 are in purgatory, I also had a thought. I am aware it is impossible to directly downgrade from NC2 to anything because of the kernal change, but is it possible to odin-flash the MGL leak kitkat over the official to use that as a stepping stone? don't know anything about the MGL kernal tho, which is why I ask. I'm sure this has already been thought of, but haven't seen it anywhere
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
The bootloaders are different
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gearshift:
I had assumed that was the case, but wanted to be sure. Man this blows lol.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] hipporun:
This still works for n900a mj5 4.3 correct?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
Yeah... Why wouldn't it?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] theonlyrick:
Got a Note 3, I want updates and rooting

I've got a Note 3 running 4.3.

Baseband MJ1

I want to root it.

I want to update it to KitKat.

Should I kingo, then OTA update?

or

Should I OTA first, then Kingo?

Thanks in advance...
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Honeybadger:
Neither will work right now.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] theonlyrick:
Whaaaa?

So I can root or update, but not both?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Honeybadger:
Yes, you can 4.3 root but 4.4 root is unachievable right now.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] theonlyrick:
Not what I wanted to hear... but thank you. I've done an awful lot of reading on this and couldn't find this info.

Kingo claims you can unroot without a problem. Presumably I could root and then - if I decided I really wanted 4.4 - I could unroot and then upgrade?

(The 'reviews' on 4.4 said it wasn't a big improvement over 4.3, so I think would choose rooting over the possibility of upgrading...)

R.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Honeybadger:
4.4 offers fixes for GPS issues for one thing. Kingo doesn't uproot note 3 4.4 kk. There seem to be problems rooting unrooting and upgrading but they seem to be connected with deleting base applications so do a backup before doing anything. Titanium backup should do the trick.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] theonlyrick:
You said Kingo doesn't unroot on 4.4... Does that mean it does root 4.4? (Just without the chance of unrooting...?)

R.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Honeybadger:
No, Kingo won't root, won't unroot, won't touch 4.4
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] theonlyrick:
OK - understood. Thanks!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] lawalty:
CRAP!

Last night I got the same "stock" answer from Kingo when asking when they are going to update their app to support the NC2 update for our N900A Note 3s.

They replied:

Ladies and Gents, looks like we'er SOL for a Kingo root method anytime soon. Matter of fact, Kingo was one of the only few root methods that didn't trip the KNOX flag (which i can't have it tripped).
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Stryke_the_Orc:
Only known method to root 4.4 is chainfire's auto root. Trips knox though.

Slithering from the nether regions of a twisted mind and tarnished soul
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
What exploit does it use to root?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Stryke_the_Orc:
I don't know, never really cared to look lol. It works, that's all I cared about[emoji6]

Slithering from the nether regions of a twisted mind and tarnished soul
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] YrrchSebor:
But I never worked on the ATT model, or did it? I thought it relies on an unlocked boot loader?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] clownfart:
The SM-900a isn't listed on the chainfire site. Which file did you use?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] lawalty:
I'm glad you found a workable root, however there are a few of us who can't trip the knox flag.

Even though I purchased my Note 3, and I consider it to be my phone, my work uses the knox environment within the phone. If I trip the knox flag, I won't be able to use the knox environment. So I'm patiently waiting for some genius to attain root without tripping the knox flag.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] smokestack76:
Wont work for us. So dont get your hopes up yet. Its getting worked on..
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Stryke_the_Orc:
Ah, sorry guys, didn't mean to get your hopes up. I'm on a different carrier, didn't realize this device wasn't supported. I'll shut up now[emoji87]

Slithering from the nether regions of a twisted mind and tarnished soul
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] smokestack76:
Its ok. Just dont let it happen again. ?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Stryke_the_Orc:
Duly noted :p
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] smokestack76:
Just messin with ya. You do a good job around here man!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Honeybadger:
Is rooting 4.4.2 with Knox being triggered given up? Been very quiet.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Face_Plant:
I hope it hasn't been given up on. I don't care if it trips Knox. I just need my root...
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] dawheat:
If you don't care about warranty and tripping Knox, I'd check if you can use Chainfire's CF-Auto-Root method. Most of us don't use it b/c we've had methods in the past that don't trip that flags.

Frankly, I'd give it a few more weeks before giving up and voiding warranty.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] lawalty:
Very very true. It seems like FOREVER since I updated to this purgatory KitKat. I almost keep thinking our AT&T version has simply been given up on.

But, I'll keep waiting.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] fuze_freak:
does it work on the att note 3 kk ? I havent see any link related to it
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] lildoggs:
If it works for you, share the knowledge with the rest of us. I'm one of those that don't care about tripping knox. :D
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] dawheat:
I take it back - seems like CF's method doesn't work with the AT&T Note 3. I somehow had the impression it was pretty universal since it tripped flags.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] prometheus67:
I am on NB4 and 4.3 (N900A).

I tried the latest Kingo app which was 1.2.2 but it didn't work. It got stuck on "downloading drivers". Uninstalled.

I then went back to post #278 by raduque and downloaded Kingo 1.1.18 and it worked like a charm.

Used TiBU to freeze the AT&T updater and I'm looking forward to being able to use Xposed modules again!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] kclive:
Kingo worked great for me before 4.4.2. I think it was the easiest root I have ever done. I just wish root would get figured out for 4.4.2.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jpcdeux:
Damn, I was hoping chainfires root worked. I want root.

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[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] tleung927:
can it work with KK?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] The Basilisk:
Nope
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jf907079:
I used Kingo on my Note 3 back with JB with no issues. Currently on KnoxRaid 5.6 with no problems. :victory:
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gearshift:
Kingo has said that there likely will not be working on AT&T or Verizon versions of note 3 kitkat. Too involved than they are willing to put forth

From page 37 of this thread:
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] XiphoneUzer:
Just another reason to NOT downgrade to KK
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Honeybadger:
Downgrade? Don't you mean upgrade.?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Face_Plant:
No, it is a downgrade. You can't root, battery life is pretty much the same, you can't write to the external SD card, and it's just awful in general. The only thing I like is the white status bar icons.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Honeybadger:
It fixed the GPS, Google search is better. Less memory stamp.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Face_Plant:
There was a GPS fix posted on here somewhere that would fix your GPS without having to update to 4.4.2. I have noticed no difference in memory management. 4.4.2 still uses an average of 1.3-1.5 gigs of ram on my phone, just like 4.3 did. No comment on Google search because I never tried it on 4.3.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] malickie:
What do you mean can't write to the external SD Card. I can move apps to my external sd card and I can move files from internal to external and save files to it so how can you not write to the external sd card?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] xfaega:
I think what they meant is that you can't default to write to external from apps like you use to be able to. Only way is to move from internal to external.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Face_Plant:
I use Root Explorer as my file browser because I paid money for it and I like it better than the stock version. I cannot copy stuff from the internal storage to my SD card using this app. All I get is a popup saying something about how Google added a "security feature" that prevents this and that rooting my phone will correct this. There is no root for 4.4.2, so I am SOL until a root method is found.

I sure hope something is found soon. I don't care if it trips stupid Knox. I just want my root superpowers back :(
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gearshift:
you just have to use the "my files" app to move anything from internal to SD for now
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] kendellrt:
I was able to use Kilngo to root my Note 3 with the ROM that came on it, but since the 4.4.2 it says it is not supported. So what the poster above is saying seems to be true. Has anyone else seen anything different?

Let me add to this post. I am running the N900a on 4.4.2 with baseband NC2. I can't seem to find anything that says that Klingo can root 4.4.2 on NC2. Am I wrong? I'm pretty new to this, so I need all the help I can get.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Honeybadger:
You are correct. Current nothing will root 4.2.2.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] kendellrt:
I wish I could flash it back to 4.3 now. Bummer.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] XiphoneUzer:
Like I said, "Downgrade" -

I'll let the lemmings sort KK out while I enjoy my super quick, works how I want it, rooted JB4.3 Note 3 :good:
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] lawalty:
Please explain how to "downgrade" from the official KK? Just to be clear, I'm not talking about the leaked version.

Thanks.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] XiphoneUzer:
You're not listening - KK is a "downgrade" from JB 4.3, (nothing but problems for the majority) -
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jerrycoffman45:
no your not listening official kk can not be downgraded only the leaked version could be downgraded
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] hipporun:
Cool it guys. He doesn't mean literal downgrade(going back in software), his use of the word "downgrade" is referring to the fact that official 4.4 is worse and causing problems compared to 4.3. (Downgrade=not good)
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jerrycoffman45:
now that you have pointed that out and rereading the post I stand corrected
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Rukbat:
We must be twins or something. I froze the updater, just in case they came ut with 4.4.2.1 that updates rooted ROMs. I bought 4.3 because it was a good phone at that level, and I have no plans on losing everything that needs su just to get a higher number on my ROM. (If I had just checked here, maybe I would have seen the problems soon enough to buy an N900T outright, but we needed new phones and AT&T quickly and I didn't think to look.)

I'd love a fast, light kernel, but X-Note with Nova is good enough for now. (The S5 launcher is really nice, but seems to have a problem with the direct dial widget.) Off topic, I know.

But I definitely agree that 4.4.2 is definitely a downgrade for us. For the casual user it's probably the difference between water and wet, but the casual user doesn't usually read threads like these. A very small percentage of games and apps need root.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] californiarailroader:
Wow, really? I just got my Note 3 today, and it got the upgrade to KitKat this evening, I figured this would work on KitKat too. So, are we in a waiting mode for now?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] lawalty:
Yep. We're patiently waiting for root possibility.

Honestly, I don't think we will ever see root again on our precious Note3s, especially the locked down AT&T versions. Every exploit found to help us gain root usually get's patched on the next "upgrade" version. The Android OS, as every version comes along, is getting closer to where it will be impossible to root anymore. Think about it, we call it an "exploit" to help the XDA community to gain admin-level access. They think these "exploits" are security issues that need to be patched.

Friends, as these newer phones will be released, the only versions that will have possible root access will be those carriers who don't have locked bootloaders.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Jakman85:
This is why I ended up selling my AT&T Note 3 and will be getting a phone with an unlocked bootloader (maybe the TMobile version?). I want AOSP and custom kernels, so a complete bootloader unlock would be needed to satisfy me, and this will happen on this phone when pigs fly and I win the lottery.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] californiarailroader:
I bet somebody does it soon, I also have an AT&T branded HTC One M8 and it's bootloader is unlocked, it's rooted and I have S-Off. The guys at XDA are pretty amazing.