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[Nexus 5 General] sids911:
The low scores were *entirely* for the software that Google is using. Google needs to rework is camera interface totally and come up with something thats not just easier to use but also utilizes camera hardware optimally.

If you do not press the AF circle in the camera App for it to focus (when it becomes green) you are going to get bad out of focus pictures. This has been the case with N4 and due to the software, has been inherited by N5 too. "Perfect conditions" as mentioned by the Verge is basically enough light and low amount of shadows so that the camera lens would produce good pictures without too much help from AF motor. The AF motor isnt hunting for focus locks when it comes to good lighting. In bad lighting or scenes with heavy contrasts, the focus hunts for locks and the software captures the photos at the same time, resulting in blurry, out of focus and washed out photographs.

Till the software is optimized, you will have to press that circle where you want the focus, wait for it to become green, and hope things do not move too much and press the shutter button thereafter.

For now, I believe the Camera software isn't optimized/quick enough for OIS.
[Nexus 5 General] hotleadsingerguy:
You're being quite unfair.

The N4 was competing against a totally different market, at the time. Obviously the N5 is a better device, in all ways, than the N4...but the N5 is competing against the iPhone 5S, Galaxy S4, Note 3, LG G2, HTC One Max, etc... It's an awesome phone, but the competition has amp'd up their game quite a bit. I still think it's better than the rest, which is why I bought one, but there are definite lackings in the phone that Google could have fixed.
[Nexus 5 General] androidpixar:
Pls stop going to VERGE for Android news ;)
[Nexus 5 General] the1onewolf:
I feel like every Android iteration ends up like this.
[Nexus 5 General] Dredyouall:
Gizmodo review is up and wholly positive (aside from the speaker, which alternate reviewers are either calling really loud or really quiet, which is weird, maybe there are some dud units for speakers? Mines certainly loud.)
[Nexus 5 General] 2fastkuztoms:
gizmodo review is up

http://gizmodo.com/nexus-5-review-the-best-is-still-the-best-especially-1458003288
[Nexus 5 General] JakeCA:
I both read and watched the video review by the verge. Honestly I'm not a fan of the verge and rarely take their word on anything; but this review was completely fair, a little early but fair. I have seen sample shots from the nexus 5 and do not agree with the 5/10 rating on the camera but besides that they gave it a 8/10 rating. As for the battery life we should really wait for a review from someone with the product for more than 2-3 days, his battery life may have been inconsistent but one device does not represent all so we'll have to wait and see. A very unbiased review overall, and i think everyone should realize everything has pro`s and con`s. There are going to be many more reviews to come, so we`ll just have to wait and see what they say.

Buying a phone as soon as it`s announced is risking, although a lot of us, myself included, did it anyway. We should all just be happy that there are no major defects that have arrived and enjoy our phones that are 10 out of 10 in some sections and average in others. For our own perspectives we should wait until we have our phones before we start calling biased on other people and reviewers.

TL:DR

Not biased, but should wait for other reviewers and our own phones to arrive.
[Nexus 5 General] lwfb:
On the verge review I just read that was linked to in the OP, it was given an 8/10.

Where did the 5/10 come from?

I thought it was a fair review... The only thing it was really dinged for was the camera and personally that was never a selling point to me anyway as I don't use my camera often as it is. I've actually gotten nice shots from my Nexus 4, so if it's even marginally better I'll be satisfied. It also performs average in the battery department, which is fine for me too because I'm never far away from a charger and I keep an external battery in my briefcase anyway.

I wanted a killer screen, great build quality, top notch internals and excellent software. According to this review I won't be disappointed in that regard.
[Nexus 5 General] Stories:
Topolsky probably is the biggest fan of Android on The Verge's staff. He's one of the only guys on the staff who really dislikes iOS's direction, but he is still victim to the 'jewelry" nature of the iPhone.

That said, I think he gives the N5 a fair shake. The camera definitely is not as the level of other really good cameras out there, and it is rated as such (coming from someone who returned a Galaxy Note 3 for the N5). My biggest hesitation was the camera... and I still wonder about getting the Note 3 again... but not for $300 more than the N5.
[Nexus 5 General] svengalis:
bad review no surprise. it is a nexus after all.
[Nexus 5 General] slind:
Superb & fair review from one of the best sites on teh interwebz.

Deal with it.
[Nexus 5 General] Jiyeon90:
The verge only praises apple products so no surprise here
[Nexus 5 General] onmike:
If the verge is biased or not, the camera is really the least of my concerns. As long as the pictures are decent I'll be happy. Anything important I for one always use my DSLR. I bet the pictures will be just fine though.
[Nexus 5 General] [hfm]:
It's only one person's opinion. I don't think an overall 8 is a bad score to tell you the truth. I expect we will see some software fixes over the course of the next 6 months to fix many of Josh's gripes.

Being a huge Nexus and vanilla Android fanboy from day 1 of the G1 I don't see a problem with this review. It seems like any time anyone says anything bad about a product the fans come out of the woodwork to scream bloody murder.

I would imagine overall an 8 is probably where it should be right now. I'm sure I'm going to love mine when it gets delivered tomorrow, but I would imagine it's not going to be perfect or worth of a 9 or 10 of 10 on my own scale. Hopefully my experience with the camera is more palatable for my needs than theirs was.
[Nexus 5 General] bozzykid:
Really? Because their Editor-in-chief blasts iOS 7 every chance he can get. I think people like to claim bias when they read a review that doesn't praise every aspect of the ecosystem they use. Just because a con listed by a review doesn't keep you from buying or using a product doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I read reviews all the time where they have issues about things I don't care about. That doesn't make it biased.
[Nexus 5 General] aohus:
that was a VERY fair review.

I'm pretty sure Google will come out with enhancements/fixes for the auto-focus.

I remember Motorola (aka Google) sending out an OTA update to fix the quality of the photos like a week or two after it was released.
[Nexus 5 General] ferris2375:
Umm....yeah.
[Nexus 5 General] iandol:
Yep, auto-focus *is* a disaster...

The Verge is spot on, auto focus is a disaster on the Nexus 5, no idea what it is doing hunting around mis-focusing when there is clear contrast information present. Really really bad. No problems in my opinion with washed out contrast/colour, that is easily added in with some quick editing (oh, the built-in editor in 4.4 is brilliant!!!)...
[Nexus 5 General] barondebxl:
My nexus 5 arrives on Wednesday....looks like I'm gonna keep my beloved G2 after all!!!!
[Nexus 5 General] hotleadsingerguy:
This, and he was also the one that wrote this review. If you listened to the VergeCast last Thursday he said he loves the phone itself.
[Nexus 5 General] Secretcow:
Nexus 4 vs Nexus 5 Camera

I just got the nexus 5, I tried out the camera really quick and it captures about twice the light as the nexus 4 with less light. The auto focus is really weird though. It's way better than the Nexus 4's camera though, and once the auto focus is fixed I'm sure it'll be great :).
[Nexus 5 General] lolcopter:
better review here imo
[Nexus 5 General] mevensen:
As others have commented in another thread, at least we have access to 3rd party cameras, which may improve the experience considerably. Of course, it's not any reviewer's job to go get other apps to make up for the manufacturer's lapses, but knowing that we have options, and that the hardware seems to be sound, is of great comfort, when looking at the N5's potential shortcomings.
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
I didn't care for him comparing the phone against 600+ phones. not even just the iphone, but it seemed like every paragraph was comparing a N5 feature against the feature of a phone almost twice the price.
[Nexus 5 General] iamjasonc:
It's probably just because he was in a studio with studio lighting when he commented on the screen the first time. I'd imagine once he left that room he got a better idea of what the screen looks like in an every day setting.

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I honestly cannot believe that people can't comprehend this. It's mindboggling that, even when spelled out to them, they don't/won't understand it. This is common sense.
[Nexus 5 General] parsa5:
The Verge is definitely one of the most unbiased tech websites I read. I thought there review of the nexus was extremely fair and honest. The fact that people are getting butthurt just means that they are defensive about their purchase.
[Nexus 5 General] mattcoz:
All I know is that it completely blows away the camera on my old phone, so I'm quite happy with it even if it might not be the best out there.
[Nexus 5 General] SkuzeeII:
I have my Nexus 5 and I can agree that due to the focusing issues and slow shutter speed in the camera software the camera is abysmal.

Now I expect that it will be resolved through an update, and when I can get it to focus on what I want to takes some pretty nice pictures. But The Verge is kind of spot on right now.
[Nexus 5 General] MarkGbe:
nexus 5 is great. Speakers are great, camera is great.... i'm no pro photographer but if i was ,..... i'd buy a friggin dslr and stop complaining about a 9MP camera on a phone.
[Nexus 5 General] bozzykid:
What else is there to compare it too? The N5 is Google's flagship phone. So obviously you will compare it to the other flagship devices. People love to say how fast it is compared to the S4 or HTC One but then get mad when someone compare's the camera quality to the same phones. Having knowledge about how it stacks up with other phones is perfectly valid regardless of price.
[Nexus 5 General] Gillion:
Wow... Some of you guys are really sensitive. I bet if one of the elder xda devs like say codeworx or faux123 gave the camera a similar review how many of you would react the same.
[Nexus 5 General] m3lover1:
The N5 is a flagship device, positioned by Google as a flagship device. Only thing not flagship is the price. If you compare the N5 to other similarly priced phones, the N5 will take the win in a cakewalk. However that isn't a 1-1 comparison. With the specs the N5 has, you have to compare it with true flagship phones, despite the price difference. And if the N5 compares favorably, albeit with maybe some disadvantages (camera and maybe battery, etc) you can still be happy knowing that you got a device similar in specs and performance to another one at a much more favorable price point.

You also cannot ignore the fact that the US is still very much carrier driven. Those phones with "twice the price" can also be bought for $199 in most cases with a contract. Given that a majority of them still opt to sign a contract to get these "lower prices," suddenly the N5 becomes the phone that is "twice the price." For those people, to them, if they purchase the N5 it would be considered a significant investment for them instead of the $199 that they could have bought the S4 or G2 or HTC one, etc, even though you and I know they are actually paying more than $199. Therefore the N5 needs to be compared to the more traditionally priced flagships in order for those to weigh in on whether they should plop double the money up front or not.
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
lol, stopped reading here. you sure know your stuff :rolleyes:
[Nexus 5 General] krohnjw:
Having both devices and a moto x to compare against this is fairly spot on. The camera app still takes an eternity to load and focus times can be exceedingly long when comparing to other Android devices. I took about 100 pictures yesterday, indoors at dusk, to get a better idea of how the Moto X and N5 camera compare and found the following.

The camera app still takes an inexplicably long time to load. It loads the app and sits at a black screen for *way* too long from an "experience" side. Other devices that don't use the AOSP camera app don't seem to have this issue. Hopefully this is a software issue and will be corrected (anyone with the G2 able to comment?).

The camera app does not do a good job actively focusing until the shutter button is pressed. At this point it takes a long time to focus because shots are almost always out of focus when you hit the shutter button. The Moto X on the other hand is continuously focusing (like the Galaxy Nexus on the initial ICS release) and only refocuses if necessary when you take the picture. This reduces the time to snap a shot in most instances and allows for multiple shots to be snapped quickly.

The exposure time seems long. The N5 consistently got better shots from a lighting / noise perspective (white balance as well) but due to the long exposure time they were mostly useless (kids moving). The Moto X has a shorter exposure time and almost always grabs a clean shot but with a bit more noise. I'd rather have a clean shot with a little noise here than 40 shots with blurry faces. Some quick stats on photos taken at the same time in the same location.

Moto X:

Camera	XT1053

Focal Length	4.499mm

Exposure	1/40

F Number	f/2.4

ISO	500

Nexus 5

Focal Length	3.97mm

Exposure	1/9

F Number	f/2.4032722

ISO	159

Switching from photo to video and back is still extremely maddening. Why does it take so long? The Moto X can capture video immediately from the camera interface. There's no switching mode. I find myself missing things (kid stuff that ends quickly) while waiting for the 5s transition between photo and video and vice-a-versa.
[Nexus 5 General] tspx23:
the review for the camera is revolting a 5/10? no way. I took sample pics between an iphone 5, galaxy s4, and nexus 5. on macro shots N5 comes out on top everytime. in good lighting N5 outted the S4. in low light and HDR mode it was pretty terrible. It has a very capable camera and is way better than the Nexus 4 that it is replacing.

As for the audio... the speaker is still complete trash the iPhone/S4 are better. it is a step up from the N4 and it does get distorted at higher volumes. Kind of seems like the speaker is higher up from the speaker holes which makes the entire phone kind of vibrate.

Also I wish people focused more on reception in reviews. I get little to no service at work but the S4 has been consistent in getting me service in most places while both the N4/N5/I5 have drop out more frequently. In addition, the mic on-call is pretty autrocious on my N5 it goes in and out unless you are holding the phone upright all the time.
[Nexus 5 General] kaywalker23:
Stop going to tabloid websites like the verge and judge for yourselves:

unbiased side by side review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp6clWG-b5c&feature=c4-overview&list=UUIrrRLyFMVmmL9NDAU2obJA
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
Why doesn't Google just hire some folks who can design camera software for them because currently they do not have anyone who is good at it. Heck, just buy some company, they do it for everything else.

It is a shame to see a good sensor not perform due to terrible software. Like others even said, the GP HTC One and GP S4 take worse pictures then the non GP editions on 4.3.

Google step up your game with your camera! It is becoming more and more important to people to have a good camera in their phone to "Capture the Moment" < - your words! But how can we capture the moment when it can take 5-10 seconds to open the camera app and then another few seconds to focus. At that point we just missed 10 moments that should have been captured!
[Nexus 5 General] TonyHoyle:
Very enlightening.. the N5 clearly the better image except when flash is in use. The audio was no contest.. I wonder if their iphone microphone was actually faulty.
[Nexus 5 General] misterzeno:
Care to elaborate why you stopped reading there? The U.S. is carrier driven and the public thinks the subsidy price is the price of the phone.
[Nexus 5 General] jntdroid:
+1,000... my favorite excuse is, "if you want a real camera, get a dslr"... :p

Not faulty - I've had 2 5S's, and both recorded very muted sound, it was weird.

About the N5's camera... Here's the problem with camera reviews - certain software takes some getting used to... there's a "feel" to using a phone's camera software, and each one is a little different. That will, a lot of times, greatly affect the initial response to a new phone's camera. I've owned a S4, 5, 5S, G2, Moto X, and HTC One over the past year. I'm not saying the N5 is better, but after I got used to using auto-focus (I've had no problems getting it to focus), it's taken some excellent shots in multiple scenarios, very much on par with the phones I just listed off. I feel it's faster, overall, than the S4 and Moto X. So while I think The Verge's review was fair overall, I think it was unfairly harsh without giving it more time (which Josh alluded to in his later tweet). The N5's camera is "solid", I would say.
[Nexus 5 General] supercakefish:
Yeah I don't really understand why that is. Do they realise that these so-called 'subsidised' phones are infact much more expensive when you do the maths and calculate what you're paying in total duration of the contract period vs just buying unlocked phone and getting a much cheaper sim-only contract?

It's sort of similar over here in UK, many do get contracts, but buying unlocked off-contract phones is still far more commonplace here than in US.
[Nexus 5 General] irhut:
I am a bit confused. My camera app opens very quickly, less than a second. I also think it focuses quite quickly. I really like the camera. However I do find the app a pain when it come to changing settings.
[Nexus 5 General] krohnjw:
From the home screen it opens quickly. From the lock screen it takes 4s-5s for me from swiping to when it is actually ready to take a photo (focused and snapped). This was timed with an actual stop watch. This removes most of the utility of having the camera on the lock screen as it's almost equally as fast to just swipe my pattern and open the camera up.
[Nexus 5 General] irhut:
I will test mine now.
[Nexus 5 General] misterzeno:
Currently in the U.S. your monthly costs do not go down after your contract term is up (with the exception of a Tmobile EIP financed phone). So with the other major carriers if you bring your own phone or subsidize one your monthly costs do not change.

That being said the nexus on most U.S. carriers is not that great of a value if you compare the MSRP of the nexus versus the other subsidized phones. You can spend $350 on a nexus up front bring it to AT&T and I can spend $300 on a subsidized note 3 with contract we choose the same plan and pay the same price.

Before anyone chimes in with there person work arounds and discounts and etc. My example is what happens with the majority of consumers, not phone nerds here on xda. For the average consumer getting that Note 3 at $50 less is a better deal than buying a nexus from Google.

Post was written with the context of a person happy with their carrier and doesn't care about unlocked phones.... Like most of the public.
[Nexus 5 General] irhut:
About the same. Takes about 3 seconds to open and 1 to focus. Still seems quite quick to me.
[Nexus 5 General] MariusWildfire:
I made a short Testvideo with my Nexus 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGm5GNanmHQ

In my opinion the nexus 5's camera is much better than the nexus 4's camera. (I had the nexus 4 before if got my n5) :good:
[Nexus 5 General] cyburke:
I think videos in the setting you have chosen will mostly always be pretty good for these newer mobile cameras.

Try taking your N5 out in the evening and shoot a video. I tried at a dinner show last night - the moments where it was in focus were great. Those moments were more few and far between than compared to my friend's 5S who was shooting right next to me.

Later I tried to quickly take some pictures of some Polaroid shots we had on my coffee table. I had to endure the N5 just not able to *focus on this mind numbingly simple request - over and over again.

Finally grabbed my girls iPhone 5 and quickly took all the shots - and they all were in focus.
[Nexus 5 General] [hfm]:
I expect Google will fix this. I haven't taken many photos with the n5 yet, but the ones I have are great.

I really could have given it a workout if it would have came out before all the European vacationing I did late summer early fall.
[Nexus 5 General] Ajfink:
In my opinion the camera is far better on the N5. The Verge...ha.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[HTC One V] anirudhnyg:
Why is Tonyskyfall's Ignorance Thread Closed ?

was it closed by Tonyskyfall ?
[HTC One V] mrcorey:
Instead of asking this silly question in public, why don't you send a private message to Tony Skyfall? Or, how about a moderator? I don't know how you expect any of us
[HTC One V] rzarectha:
instead of tony getting this silly question 1000 times (he had over 1000 downloads) in his PM box. why not answer here. i am curious why the thread got locked too.

give it time and a mod or tony himself will answer, the question was not directed to you
[HTC One V] mrcorey:
Sorry if you thought I took it personally. I don't take anything on this site personally. I'm only here to ask questions, bug report, and help people when I can. If you read the thread, it would be pretty obvious. Instead of the thread accumulating 50 pages of whining about battery life or something off topic, he probably locked the thread, as he mentioned a few times that he was really busy and wouldn't be updating for several weeks. Do we really want the thread to be like the shpongle thread where everything had been said but nobody can find it through the last 50 pages of off topic?
[HTC One V] red de0392:
The Thread is Closed Cuz the Developer Was Tired of Silly Posts About Battery Drain(I was also the One to post though :P)

Thread needs some cleaning up...It will be Opened Shortly

All the Questions Should GO here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2512872
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] arifbmb:
Hello all, my first post in XDA :)

I am looking to flash the "[ROM ][4.3] [JLS36G] PARANOIDANDROID 3.99 RC2 (Sep21)" in my Galaxy Nexus (Intl GSM).

My current android version is Stock 4.3, Build Number JWR66Y.

As recovery I have TWRP 2.6.3.0 in my phone. (Flashed it using Nexus Root Toolkit 1.7.3 by WugFresh)

Can anyone please tell me:

1. Whether the above PA ROM compatible with my phone? :confused:

2. Can I flash the PA ROM using my current recovery? :confused:

Thank you! :)