yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] scottdanpor:
Nope, battery is a deal breaker. Though I would consider the LG G2. Anything with less than 3 days battery life I wouldn't consider. I remember the days I went to visit a friend or went camping and was scrambling to find a socket then remembering I didn't bring a charge cord. No more.

That's when I bought a Droid MAXX, now the S3 with zerolemon 7000mah. I can use it for days and not worry about losing power when it matters most.

This is just what I look for. I work in an office and can charge it all day, but on the weekend I like my freedom. Otherwise it's a cracking phone.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] globber:
I also ordered the 32 gb nexus 5, but in black
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ragnar:
This conversation belongs in this thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=39191831

That's where all off topic, other device, upgrades etc.. Belongs.

Thank you

Thread closed

EFM

Have a great day!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cyberslinger:
Am thinking of trading my Universal for someone's Wizard. Was wondering what you guys think of that.

Thoughts?

Offers?

Thanks!

Cyb
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cyberslinger:
no thoughts?

Nobody has an opinion one way or the other?

Cyb :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] mtarro:
why do you want to trade? Any problems?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] leploep:
looks like yer stuck with yer Universal dude.

Nobody seems to want it :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Micman:
Well, I would if you want to tell me why you want to trade it !

I just love the screen of the universal, but it is just to expensive !

If you want to get rid of it and trade it against a QTEK 9100 , let me know.

Cheers

Micman
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] thereaperman:
i would consider a trade, but would need more info etc, which one is it, is it unlocked, full working order etc etc :lol:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cyberslinger:
Decided to keep it...

We thanks for the input fellas but alas I have decided to keep the Universal... The thing that sold me was using it in VGA mode. Without that the Uni would have been gone.

Cyb :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] naruto.ninjakid:
I was thinking about waiting and getting the Note 3 when its cheap and value drops. Sadly android phones don't hold value well but in this case its to my benefit. However, Im really disappointed in Samsung with the speed of their updates. My note 2 is still on 4.1.2 for the longest time and it gets annoying. You could flash AOSP ROMS but you lose the Samsung Features. Now 4.4 is out and even the Note 3 is on 4.3 and will take a while before it sees 4.4. The note 2 may never even see 4.4 or it will take a very long time. Starting to think of other manufacturers in the future if this continues.But I love the S-Pen !!!

HTC on the other hand seems to be stepping up their game.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/31/google-galaxy-nexus-kitkat/

In my opinion Samsung needs to step up their game. What do you guys think about the speed of updates from Samsung ?

Comments on Android phones holding value also welcome.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] sino8r:
HTC just dropped theirs while we have to wait until December 3. Not bad but I blame the cell carriers. Besides we already have a thread for this topic.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] pvaldeben:
Yes Samsung does not update their phones fast but at least does not intentionally give you an update to to make your phone slower like apple does withe their updates.

Plus what other phone manufacturer does update their phone often enough.

HTC is nice, like the interface way better that touchwiz, but you cant switch battery or add micro sd card. My first android phone was the first HTC Evo. Has Battery swap and micro SD Card, then I got the HTC one S actually like it more then the GS3 but running out of memory and battery on the new HTC was to much for me to deal with on a daily basis. Then got the GS3 good phone, now on Note 2 and loving the Jedi X-20.

You are right what you say but really what are other manufacture options?

My next phone will be a phablet again but from who I don't know yet.

I think im going for the next phablet that has great camera, that will sway my decision big time. LG is starting to get my attention.

Have not really seen any great reviews about the Note 3 camera, maybe it not that good. So lets see what Note 4 has to offer in another 6+ months.

about Android 4.4 seems Samsung will never update a phone with latest android untill it releases a new phone with it first. So we have to see what phone from samsung get kitkat then we'll start seeing updates to older models.

just my 2 cents.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] naruto.ninjakid:
Yeah your right hopefully some manufacturers come out with a good phablet that has some good pen features sometimes soon. Would take a look at other phablets with no pen if they were good enough.
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oadam11:
Hi

Sorry if this had been asked before but I am a noob at this.

I install twrp and I want to get rid of it. How can I do this?

Does doing a factory wipe delete twrp?

Also if I can't get rid of the custom recovery how do I install ota updates if for example (android 4.3 or 4.4 is ever released for the g2)?

I have the Verizon variant if that makes any difference.

Thanks in advance
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tdevaughn:
in the General tab, its stickied at the top http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2432476
[G2 General] Bigralphn:
Ok. This is not going to be what you think. My issue is that it has spoiled me. If I grab my tablet I keep knocking wondering why it won't turn on. The same with my wife's phone. I never thought I would get used to a feature so quick. I seldom have it knock work. Once you learn that if you are in an app you tap on the notification bar it works great.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] enochsalum:
AOSP development yet?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jackxlj:
im playing with a 4.4 aosp build that aospa made for nexus 7(fhd) and it is amazing. the speed difference and smoothness of the OS is a huge step foreword,even in an early quick build. Lol now ill be perfectly happy as soon as they finish making a flashable gapps, and my note gets an aosp build, 4.3 or 4.4, i want to remove touchwiz!!! and yes i know, i could try to build it, and i have been trying,but im obviously missing something, cause i cant get anything to boot that isnt touchwiz
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] dragonstalker:
The only probablem with and AOSP build on this phone is you are going to lose 80% of the functionality of this phone. The entire design of the phone, spen, sensors, automated services, etc are built around TW. Once TW is gone, all that is gone, and what is left is a fast processor with stock android and 2 or 3 spen apps that may or may not work on the Note 3

Essentially you want to take a Chevy Cobalt, and stick a Aftermarket engine in and and a Custom paint job. when it's said and done, it's still going to be a regular old Cobalt.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jackxlj:
i dont use the spen, nor have i ever. i have bought every single note, based on screen size alone,and the development community. i prefer aosp, i dont comment on others desire to use tw and the many many features it offers. I just dont use them, so would prefer to have a rom that didnt have them. I i used multiwindow, or spen,etc, i wouldnt ask for aosp. If google released a note 3 sized device, i would buy it, but since they dont, i buy the note series and wait for our genius devs to make me cm roms to play with
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] zmore:
A lot of us don't even use 98% of TouchWiz's gimmicky features - we just love the big display. I've had to install at least a half dozen apps AND Xposed just to get back a lot of what is built into CyanogenMod, for example.

One nice feature of TouchWhiz, though, is swiping down in fullscreen apps shows the hidden notification bar, but, 4.4 will have that feature stock now. Magazine, AirStuff, SmartFooScrollWhatever, SPen Blah... however, won't miss it. I'll probably miss the camera, since that's one of things that's often hit or miss when CM is first released on a new device. Oh, almost forgot: I'll definitely miss the nice InfraRed universal remote app that comes with the device, because the next best one costs $$$.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] dragonstalker:
AH gotcha, In that case it makes sense. Always curious to find out why people purchase certain phones and then want to put Aosp on them.

And there are people working on AOSP, but until somebody gets a base, that is stable, we won't see it. From the guys i talk to, until the dev edition is released, Sammy is keeping a tight lid on it because they don't want another leak, like the S4 had

For the people that want it. I know it's not AOSP, but when I get this INT. RoM picked apart like i want it for the masses. I will work on a seperate Int. ROM that will have as much TW removed without breaking the phone. Or, just replace TW with a custom Launcher that will let me freeze all the garbage you guys don't care about.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jackxlj:
aosp always takes time, bs tw roms, nothing to do with samsung, just a matter of devs having to create drivers, etc. im pretty sure one of the cm devs got cm running on the tmobile note 3, but it was to buggy to release.took a couple months for note 1,note 2, etc, we will have it soon. I may be wrong, but the nexus 5 may make the note 3 easier to get to aosp, because it uses the same chip set, so i think it may make things a bit smoother, not alot, but hey every bit helps!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] joverclock:
only reasons i bought note 3 knowing nexus 5 was coming is

-5.7 screen

-sd card

-snapdragon 800
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Rickdaddy:
Wish someone could make an AOSP rom that has all of the s-pen features present. Would be the greatest of all time.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] muqali:
Same here. The Touch Wiz stuff is there to show off in commercials for the average brain dead consumer to think is cool. First thing I do is disable all the motion/eye crap. The pen is the only thing I miss, but I really only used that for Draw Something.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] chuko303:
To all the guys that love aosp and not TW you should switch to the nexus 5. How could you not like any of the features? Camera and such? Having aosp is like ANY other phone as old as it gets. Stock Android is available for many devices. Note 3 has its own special set of features, removing it it's like a car with no wheels. Not one of kind anymore just like the phone your buddy has. 700 phone to look like a 200 device is just dumb. But that's yalls minds I guess.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] dragonstalker:
Unfortunately i'm among those brain dead consumers that you speak of. I actually don't like Sammy software, and have not since the Behold For those that even remember that phone). I do on the other hand, use alot of the features that come with it as i'm an IT and it makes life easier for me to carry around the note 3 instead of a tab, and pen/paper, and lap top to be able to do what i can do with this.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] yeeson:
Waiting CyanogenMod！
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] phantasybm:
It's hard to lose wifi calling.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Toxic_Dragon:
I think ultimately we(donate) and they(devs) make solutions. My proposition is to rebuild multi window via s command style, draw box you have a window, minimize you get a floating bubble(notifications on bubbles would make sense). I don't know how hard that would be to build for AOSP but Clean android and multi App Window would make for a very light weight and productive Rom. I believe something similar is soon to be released but not with this level of simplicity hardware/user wise. Plus I've seen multi window on aosp roms coming to play out so I can't imagine why this isn't feasible.

**update**

Omnirom is the name of the rom that will feature multi window on aosp.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Actionx1:
Nexus 5 is a 5in screen.

Note 3 is a 5.7in screen.

And stock android can be modified to be far more unique than TW by the way.

And there are people who don't find any of these features useful, which was stated before. It will be a shame to loose the camera app though.

Nexus ONE
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Goatmaster:
Nexus 5 has 0 microSD slots

Note 3 has 1 microSD slot
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] truthkillszz:
Plainly put I brought this phone for the hardware not the software. I would have brought this phone with out the spen and Samsung features lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] VoiD_Dweller:
Yeah I had been waiting for the nexus 5, sold my n4 and decided to go with the note3, totally happy I did..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jackxlj:
i dont want a 5" phone without sd, i want a 5'7 inch screen, with sd, and the note 3 looks way better then the n5. I dont like touchwiz,i hate it, but i love samsung hardware. The beauty of android is choice, why complain that other people have a opinion that isnt the same as yours?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] CalcProgrammer1:
Can't wait for AOSP. The pen should work just fine in CM, the only things TouchW9iz provides that AOSP customized ROMs can't are Samsung's bloated software tweaks. I used CM9 through 10.2 on my Note 1 for as long as I used it as my primary device and the pen worked perfectly fine, the only issue was jeeding a third party drawing app with pressure sensitivity and side button support which many exist. Looks like a lot of people have never actually used an AOSP ROM on a Note and are bashing it because they just assume the pen won't work. Why wouldn't it? It's just a fancy mouse in the end, wacom devices have existed since the beginnings of the GUI in some form or another and have had Linux support almost just as long. The pen driver is part of the kernel which is used regardless of AOSP or TW ROM.

That said, the commercialization of CyanogenMod appears to be taking its toll. They demoed a working Note 3 on CM10.2 in a screenshot but no code for the build appear2 to exist. Why the heck not? It's an open source, community-driven project right? That means upload your code so the rest of us can work on it! This hiding the code until it's ready BS is fishy for a supposedly community developed project, almost as if there's some ulterior motive (CM installer premium...) that they want to debut the Note 3 on. Can't wait for Omni ROM for our device, they seem to care about openness and community.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jahnbodah:
On my note 2 I was able to get dual boot touchwiz and aosp based rom... that is my dream for note 3.

Basically just need a kernel that works for both aosp and touchwiz, and a modified recovery... don't really know if it's just that easy, but I can dream
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jpeps:
Paranoid android has it not for note 3 need to be ported
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] fredrick1213:
Where did you read that the swiping down in fullscreen apps to show notification bar feature would come stock in 4.4? That's the only thing I felt AOSP was missing, besides a decent camera, and would be awesome to have.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] zmore:
KitKat's new "immersive mode", let's you swipe down/up from the top/bottom to temporarily show the notification/nav bars. They fade away in a couple seconds, or if you tap the screen. This is similar to, but not the same thing, that you could already do in some media apps like DicePlayer.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] s1lenz:
You guys are missing the elephant in the room:Googles launcher Will Soon be available to download on all phonesand theses a rumour that we will see googles services add permission to edit things Such as the notification bar, so we might even get the AOSP bar in the play store soon!!! Can't wait!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] muqali:
This. I really wish T-mo would let us use SIP or something to set up wifi calling.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] XBOHDPuKC:
What he said...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Inxed:
I agree completely. Specs, not software, and samsung kind of ruined it for me. I think, for me, it's going to be hard chossing my next device, by going with nexus, or the note series. Depend on the changes nexus does to their products. If they can match all the specs and hardware next time around. I already have a working multi window ui on my note 3 AND note-taking alternatives that work just as smooth as TW. I just can't wait for AOSP(preferable AOKP)... just like everyone else. :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] rshift:
There's an awesome app that costs nothing. IR universal remote by wavespark. It's amazing
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] pathtologos:
Is there a dev edition coming? Has that been confirmed?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] dragonstalker:
Yes. A lot are holding out to purchase it
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] CalcProgrammer1:
Nothing so drastic, the S-Pen will likely still work on AOSP as it has on the Note 1 before it. The S-Pen shows up as a mouse input device on CM9/10/10.x for the Note 1 and third party note taking/drawing apps with S-Pen support still can use the pen buttons and pressure sensitivity setting. The only thing that goes away are TouchWiz's software-only features (pen windows, pen menu, pen screenshot, and a bunch of other stuff I don't use nor care about). I bought the Note 1 and now the Note 3 because I wanted a big, HD screen with a stylus input device to use the software I already enjoy using on and it does just that. Hopefully the Note 3 will receive the same treatment. AFAIK the S-Pen wacom driver is at the kernel level rather than the Android OS level so any OS that can recognize Linux wacom devices will pick up the S-Pen as an input device. Same goes for the sensors, all kernel level. They'll still be accessible just not in the ways TouchWiz provides.

It's like taking a Ferrari and replacing the stock engine control unit with a custom one so you can tweak the internal parameters more. Sure the existing one was top class, but it was also restrictive on what you could tweak and tune. The replacement loses some of the factory configurations but allows more customization and allows the user more control. In the end, it's still a top notch car that can do everything you want it to and will outpace the entire competition.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] pathtologos:
Thanks for answering and giving me hope. Can't freakin wait! I like some TW features but I'll take aosp over TW any day.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] shin lucifer:
But as far as i know its only available on Verizon :(.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] pathtologos:
Meh. I'm happy with mine just as long as once the dev edition comes out we ALL can get some aosp roms. Believe it or not I like having the option of switching between TW and aosp, best of both worlds. Any ETA for that dev edition?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] dragonstalker:
Dude are you seriously following me around the forum commented on what i say. I never said the pen won't work. THE FEATURES, will be gone. Which is why i said 1 or 2 Spen apps that may or may not work on the Note 3, because they are not updated for the Note 3. If you do not fully understand given answers, please don't quote me trying to debunk what i say. It's annoying and confuses the readers that don't spend 18 hours a day reading tech jargon. Not to mention, is all you end up doing is making the people that spend their time helping others seem like their stupid.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] CalcProgrammer1:
I was trying to clear up some things I felt you misrepresented. Saying that the spen will not work because the TW stuff is gone is a bit far of a stretch IMO, considering most of its use is as a mouse or writing tool already. I wanted to make sure people realize exactly what they're getting between the two OS'es and that needs a long, drawn out explanation to fully explain. Not trying to be standoffish but you posted simplified explanations that made AOSP sound much worse than it is in two threads.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] cwalker0906:
Umm I think some of you are confusing a dev edition with a google play edition. Verizon will probably come out with a dev edition which for verizon means unlocked bootloader. It will still be touchwiz. A google edition will be somewhat aosp but that version has never been announced or hinted at...so we shall see
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
Lol. I was sitting there thinkimg wtf? Doesn't dev edition just have unlocked bootloader? People are getting wishy washy. I'd prefer a Google play edition myself. Touchwiz is anemic.

sent from my sm-9005.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Actionx1:
Has Verizon ever released a Dev Phone before?

Nexus ONE
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
Yes.

sent from my sm-9005.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] dragonstalker:
Your right, but my point behind the dev edition (google play of course being stock android) is that we will finally have the ability to pull drivers and all that jazz from the phone. With the bootloader locked, it screws up alot of development that the elite devs know how to do. I know on the Rezound it took a hardware pin trick to unlock the bootloader, It sucked, but once it was unlocked, game over. Dev's jumped all over it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] gakio12:
You don't lose any of the hardware functionality. All the sensors work, the stylus works, etc. Saying you lose 80% of the phones functionality is very far from the truth. The phone still works 100%.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] dragonstalker:
OK. features and software functions are not the same thing. YES the hardware is still there. but the TW utilizes them. I never said they cease to work, of course those features will always be there. I said, you lose the functionality as there are no apps to do what TW does.
[HTC One SV] deathvoxxxx:
I know other devices have custom ROMs that port OS updates even if they're not officially supported. Can someone do this for this phone? I'm tired of waiting for HTC, and we're already 3 updates behind.
[HTC One SV] BrateloSlava:
To port from which device?

To our device is not likely to be the new kernel source code.
[HTC One SV] J.ali.li:
Is that policy just for htc? Because I saw a lot of devices has no official jb but have custom ones.
[HTC One SV] old.splatterhand:
This devices have some skilled dev's who know how to do!
[HTC One SV] deathvoxxxx:
I know the Galaxy Nexus is getting a 4.4 ROM, even though it's not officially getting the update. Why doesn't someone do that for our phone?
[HTC One SV] russellvone:
[MENTION=4179079]deathvoxxxx[/MENTION]

we are lucky enough to have small handful of awesome devs that own this phone.

what they develop for us is completely up to them.

ONLY if they decide to post a 'request' thread, is it 'cool' to keep asking questions like when and why and why not?

usually the answer is

Why don't you do it yourself?

and then you say 'sheesh! I was just asking'

and then they get annoyed and lose interest in developing anything else for us, so please, please, please don't ask ridiculously unneeded questions like these. some/most devs find them rude.