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[Galaxy Note 3 General] thecoldest1:
well this is what I personally think, the main reason people haven't leaked it is because most people who even work for Samsung barely know what knox does I mean you can call them yourself and ask them if they know what it really does, I even asked sprint if they could reset It and the technician told me he has no clue what knox is or does. but anyways I think they have special tech members that know how to reset it but they wont leak it because they worked so hard to get that kind of position and not many people know about it but hey this is just my logic :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] shokhatri:
Hey guys am just a newbee here, bought my n2 a couple of weeks ago and 2 days ago i just rooted it without proper research of this knox nd all so i am screwed right now, but thats not the actual point, i have been reading this thread and trying to understand stuff but i dont think that i have the quality so i visited a service centre and got the info that:-

1) this knox stuff is eFuse

2) comany sent email to every service centre stating NOT to repair such phones

3) they cant reset it either

4) only solution is to change the entire board

5) once you change the board you will have knox warranty 0 i.e. you can claim warranty in future

6) even after this the service person TRIED to downgrade a phone, which he was unable to succeed

7) "as per to him" the company is saving cost for after sales service

so my review towards the company is negative as i was very much happy with my existing phones.

oh nd FYI this post is not meant to offend anyone or discourage any developer as "where there is a will there is a way".

till then let us share about this problem in every possible mobile forums and enlighten ppl abt it...... i am sure it will lead to fall in sales and thus leading to change in this policy......

ohh and sorry for posting it in a note 3 section but i was just following the flow and doing my bit... :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mulletmeister:
I think it was done just to cause confusion. I have read and re-read Samsungs literature on this knox rubbish and I am still of the opinion that 0x1 means your KNOX security warranty is void, not your phones warranty!! They seem to be pulling the wool over peoples eyes with this.

With regards to the phone warranty, in the leaflet, in the box, that you cannot see until you open it, it states that software not approved by Samsung will mean your warranty is void. I raised the point with Samsung UK that does that mean that any apps we download MUST come from the samsung market, and not google play???? Also, as the phones ship with Google's Android system, any custom rom loaded should be valid as well as they are ALL based upon Google's Android system, which is approved by Samsung???? I then got really pedantic and asked about running linux of the Note 3 and would that invalidate a warranty claim. Also, if I had a problem with my phone, and I reloaded a stock rom, and the fault was still there, then what happens?//

I guess I wasted my time as they haven't responded!!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Lol I guess that was too difficult for them :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mulletmeister:
Well, it would be nice to have some clarification on this matter. Samsungs reticence to give an honest, straightforward answer is only muddying the waters. Is it a deliberate ploy to 'damage' your handset? Surely running software that the phone WAS designed for shouldn't invalidate any form of 'hardware' warranty. If you behave like a complete knob and fry your cpu by overclocking it to within an inch of it's life, then I would agree that you are buggered.

I paid good money for two note 3's. I dislike the way tw behaves, i dislike the bloat you get and I want full control over MY DEVICE. I, like many on here have rooted many phones and installed several custom roms. I kept my SGS2 bang up to date and revived it again with 4.4.2. Unfortunately the screen bled out after 3 years of good service. Maybe thats why they have designed a failure into these phones, instead of updating and customising they expect you to buy an new phone.

This WILL be my LAST Samsung, and that's a shame as they are well nailed together and user friendly ( once you CWM them!! )

I will keep badgering them in the UK for an answer but I dont hold much hope!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Samsung talks about the e-fuse

So for anyone who doesn't know yet.

IT IS AN E-FUSE!!!!!!!!

read about it from the mouth of Samsung right here on the knox support forum!

https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root

cheers! :highfive:​
[Galaxy Note 3 General] matale0:
So close the topic nothing we can do to reset it ..

mataleo
[Galaxy Note 3 General] WormsCH:
Because you TRUST samsung ?

I don't. ... :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Yes because I trust them, plus I know no company is stupid enough to publicly and openly lie. Think of the crap they would get.

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] timberwolf60:
Supported closed thread. Already changed to Sony Z1 and enjoy.

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my Sg device: Z1 rooted136 ROM by NUT with 2.7.94 dualrecovery, mod by GavityBox 2.9.9. Samsung S2 standby for Z1 when Z1 no power.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] itsmix:
+1
[Galaxy Note 3 General] itsmix:
Mmmmmm news of the world!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
you're quite naive...

even if its an efuse, if its not blown you can still change its value. there are multiple reports of repair centers resetting it so both can be true.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] WormsCH:
+1
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djtheraven:
That's why is not an efuse..... Would not be practical to open and repair every phone to replace that part. ..It's software in the bootloader that can't be accessed without the proper code. .. Just like antivirus or a firewall without the key you can't change it. .. that's why Samsung pushed the update because they close the hole in the bootloader... They have millions of dollars invested in this technology to make this business safe... And if your phone was rooted that would create a safety issue where someone can clone or receive information from your phone... This has nothing to do with the warranty of your phone this has everything to do with making a phone that you can have million dollar accounts on that will be safe from prying eyes... All this really doesn't matter because your warranty is not void and if you're not using Knox who cares. .. Knox is a security issue and not a warranty issue... It was that easy for any Dev or any code person to figure it out then it would be pointless to have it. .. so we're never going to figure it out and it's not going to matter cause you still are going to have your phone and your warranty... And if you need Knox then I suggest you get two phones one for play and one for business.... I'm sure Samsung is getting a big kick out of all the energy that we are spending on this issue......
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Actually you can swap a motherboard in about 15 minutes, not that hard... its alot easier and quicker that trying to diagnoses, or even reflash a bricked device. That is if the shop have the board in stock.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] djtheraven:
A its not that easy to open up a phone make sure the dust free to do that on a scale of a million phones is ridiculous.. Its free to flash but those motherboards cost money and B Samsung justs plugs the phones in press one button and reflash the whole phone that's not hard at all.. They don't diagnose anything as long as there's no hardware issues then they just flash the phone no questions asked simple... But you guys can believe whatever you wanna believe my phone is rooted Knox 0x1 , customized and I'm loving it... And I still have my full warranty. ...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nitrate:
We need more clarification on this matter. Even if it's an eFUSE: how can repair service centers reset KNOX warranty void to 0x0 within 10 minutes without opening the phone and changing the hardware?

I think there must be something we don't know yet...

So possibly the article over at SamsungKNOX is missing some interesting facts or contains false information about that eFUSE.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Possibly we are missing something yes, but big companies don't say stuff like that for it to turn around and be a lie, that's the quickest way to a class action lawsuite.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
let me clarify this once more:

a company would NEVER say its security measures are breachable even if they are. And if somebody found an exploit they would just patch it and be done. you will *never* see a company answer "yes" when asked if their security is exploitable.

that would be just suicide.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Yes I agree with everything your saying.

My point is that there is a difference in saying:

It's unbreachable, unhackable, unbreakable.

Vs saying

It's unbreachable because of an efuse that will burn if you flash a non approved package to your phone.

If they purly said that its unbreachable with no explanation I would agree that its probably not an efuse, but when they say... and I quote, "and an e-fuse will be burned to indicate that a non-KNOX kernel image has been loaded to the device." I am personally more inclined to believe that these stories about people getting there KNOX reset is fake, or there main boards were swapped.

They wouldnt say e-fuse if it wasnt an e-fuse.

Personally we should stop focusing on resetting KNOX and figure out how to sign our packages and kernals to pass as authentic samsung packages so they dont trip KNOX in the first place.

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
well, for starters on exynos variants its not an efuse and its confirmed, so your argument is already kinda invalid. plus, as i said, even if it's an efuse it could still be writable until blown. and last but not least samsung said it is not resettable but that just means "not resettable for the end user".
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
Also in reading up on this, to my understanding an efuse isn't like a car or house fuse, it's more like a switch... not sure exactly what happens, or what makes Sammy fix/replace some and not others.

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
An e-fuse is a fuse that is embedded on a board that allows the hard coded functions of the board to be changed while the board is functioning.

I do honestly believe that there may a way to reset the e-fuse,but unfortunately it's not guaranteed, and I believe that we should assume it's not resettable due to planned obsolescence. But it's doubtful that we will find it out any time soon. Some of the guys over at the S4 forum are working on a way to fake the KNOX 0x0 flag, one guy already got his to show 0xffffffc. That may be our best bet.

The best example I can think of e-fuses would be if you ever modded the original Xbox 360, you have to make a small slice to the motherboard to prevent an e-fuse from blowing so you wouldn't get stuck after an accidental update, Microsoft used them to make sure you can't backwards update... Which also seems to be the case with going to 4.4.2 and not being able to flash back...

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Have you noticed that the devices that have e-fuses show 0x0 and 0x1 and the ones that don't just show a 0 or 1.

Most S4's and Note 3's show 0x0

Exynos Note 3's, all Note 2's and S3's only show 0 or 1. Different in hardware?, just speculation, but i feel confident that that is the case.:cool:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root

All right... With all respects, I'm thinking of the day I was holding my current Note 3 in one hand, and an HTC one in the other at the shop, weighing every pro and con to decide on buying one... To tell you the truth, BECAUSE OF a lot of posts on internet forums and youtube videos claiming people got HTC one's with crazy structural defects (So the news about samsung's techniques are true after all), and contrary to my close friend's amazement with his HTC one... I decided that "the HTC one being perfect in its integrity will be falling apart in a couple of months, and SAMSUNG WAS AFTERALL A SAFE BET SO FAR" so I got this sh#t :( And now I'm here with a company who sacrificed a lot of its retail costumers just to succede in getting a government contract from the US, the Samsung KNOX info page is full of the words ENTERPRISE, CORPORATE, etc... WHY DIDN'T SAMSUNG MENTION THIS PHONE IS NOT FOR THE CASUAL USER? :mad: NO MORE SAMSUNGS FOR ME ANYMORE. this journey comes to an end here. Bye all, wish you good luck.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
i assume you already know that HTC phones come with locked bootloaders and that you must use their official online tool to unlock them, which instantly voids your warranty yes?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
Yes and I'm also aware that an unrooted HTC is a thousand times more practical, efficient, and less bloatwarated than an unrooted Samsung... Am I right?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Not really, it's all Android, the boatware depends more on your service provider. Even KNOX has to be downloaded if you want to use it.

And personally.... Sense? Over Touch Wiz? No thanks. Removable batteries? Yes please!

My only complaint with Samsung in that USB mode is Mass Trafer Protocol instead of Mass Storage.

But I'm rooted so I fixed that :-p

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] maxilick:
HTC Unlocked status, Samsung 0x1. Playing with both bootloaders effectively rescinds warranty. Sense and Touchwiz, horses for courses I don't mind either, the end results are the same. Your partially correct with service provider bloatware however you neglected to mention what others would decide as manufacturers bloatware. Removable battery is definitely a plus, more so when using a wireless charger. In the end its all the same, if you want your phone the way you like it there is no choice but to root.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Very true about rooting.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
Well, sense /TW.... mttter of taste... Batteries.. Definitely a good point. Service providers? Very very wrong :) in many parts of Europe an unlocked phone is a lot cheaper contrary to the states... So people prefer to buy the phone at whole price, and believe me I had to freeze about 50-60 SAMSUNG blooatware on S3 and S4 to make the RAM usage less and batteries last longer. Blink detector, away detector, fart detector, face unlock... What practicality do they introduce is beyond my comprehension :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sauron82:
You have to remember most people don't do what we do. Most people just buy their phone based on a bunch of (mostly) useless features that they don't understand. That what tilt to scroll is for. Manufacturers don't sell to us, they sell to the masses, and as big a community as XDA is, we're a tiny drop on the bucket. Most people have no idea what Knox is and they don't care. As long as they can text and check Facebook, most people are happy.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
Totally agree...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] htc9420:
+1k thanks

Totally and perfectly right. It's a non-reversible switch...and yet a laaarge number of posters are whining Sammy is damaging smth on purpose.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
but do they have the right to interfere with our phones on hardware level (whether it's a permanent switch or an efuse doesnt matter in this question).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] htc9420:
Does any retailer have the right to seal wrap the goods? They are not interfering, they are making sure the USERS/BUYERS do not interfere with the device outside the warranty terms ( like flashing a custom image) without leaving permanent marks. By agreeing to keep a product you bought, without returning it in reasonable time, means you're agreeing to the conditions of the sale, hence to agree to the terms of the implied warranty. If you don't agree with the statement that you should NOT load custom firmware, you are free to return the product for a full refund.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sauron82:
Yes, retailers have that right. How many pieces of electronics come with that seal that says "Warranty void of seal is broken"? You're not forced to buy their stuff.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
It just like buying a new Vette, building the engine up and drag racing it, when it breaks the dealer won't fix it...

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mulletmeister:
I don't get where Samsung are getting away with 'phone' warranty refusal for 0x1. EVERY bit of literature I have read regarding Knox has only ever said that the "KNOX WARRANTY" would be INVALID, thereby rendering the phone useless in a corporate environment as Samsung couldn't guarantee the security of the device.

I have made the point on several occasions on these boards that the 'warranty' terms and conditions are inside the sealed box, and you can't see them until the security seal on the box has been broken, after which time you are 'deemed' to have accepted them! In Samsung's incredibly small printed leaflet, using incredibly small print is a paragraph about 'non approved' software. I have written to Samsung UK about this and my main point was, If I am 'ONLY' permitted to install software 'AUTHORIZED' by Samsung, then am I voiding my warranty by using Play Store and NOT Samsung's own 'Approved' software centre??

I also asked how installing an OS that the device is designed for, and thereby 'APPROVED' by Samsung, can invalidate a 'genuine' warranty claim. If I want to use a customised rom, based on the OS that the device was built for, that I paid for, then why couldn't I do such without fear of reprisals due to Samsung's unfair terms, which you cannot view until you open the box!

Clarification is required about this Knox Warranty Void, and Device Warranty Void. I have emailed Samsung UK several times and I have still not been afforded a definitive answer.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Everything on the playstore is approved by Samsung, or your phone wouldn't come with it Installed. And they get away with voiding your warranty on this device because the efuse that blows and makes knox 0x1 is a "hardware damage".... so sayith the official knox forum.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
What does that flag show? Why does it become 0x1? - Because some preboot checks reveal a tampered non official kernel, etc. Hence Samsung can't guarantee the security of the data.

How did that happen? - "unauthorized software intervention" (this is the general reason invoked by every OEM on this sort of problems).

The general consensus is that rooting etc. voids the warranty. You should have known this.

If not, you could have asked a store clerk. Any would tell you rooting/custom fw voids the warranty.

If not, you could denounce the contract immediately after opening the box and reading the terms & conditions.(tough call bc they could say you had means that you could have known that by asking before buying, but it may hold).

Guess you are the only person who understood this. :mind_blown:

The only official way of installing a new firmware on a Samsung phone is by ota and kies update.

Otherwise -> "unauthorized software intervention"

It's a customized rom for God's sake!

They said that knox warranty void shows a non official kernel etc....

That flag indeed refers to the warranty for the knox containers. Samsung cannot guarantee the security of that data anymore.

But how did that get tripped? - "unofficial software intervention"

:D

As I was saying...

" They said that knox warranty void shows a non official kernel etc....

That flag indeed refers to the warranty for the knox containers. Samsung cannot guarantee the security of that data anymore.

But how did that get tripped? - "unofficial software intervention""

______________________________

I'm in the same boat as you guys.

Don't like this situation, but we're not all idiots!

We all on xda know that rooting etc voids the warranty, for every OEM!, always had been like this, and we all hope this will change in the future.

This thread started nice but was derailed (like the similar others :( ) by whynners with no sense of logic.

Please stop!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] maxilick:
You won't get a sensible response, with large companies you'll always receive sanitised spin. Even if they receive a rubber stamped document you won't get an answer, they'll settle on the 11th hour, but not prior to making you sign non disclosure document. Welcome to the corporate world.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Here's the deal - they can choose to void warranty if Knox is trigged if that gives them reason to believe that the system has been tampered with in an unauthorised way.

That's it, that is how simple it is.

If we would want to stop them, we would have to take them to court once such a warranty case occurs and appeal to consumer laws in the hope of winning. How many of you are willing to do that just to prove a point and/or get a free repair or replacement?

We are talking about a company that has an army of lawyers and who has been affording to battle Apple in court for years and years.

I can understand the anger and I also agree with many of the claims made in this and countless other discussions on the Internet. But it doesn't matter what I or you or even the whole XDA community thinks. Until it is proven in court, they don't need to concern themselves with our opinions on this matter.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
Wow, Knox has changed absolutely nothing! Customized firmware has always voided your phones warranty, ALWAYS. Knox just makes it easier for them to detect it. It is just like any warranty on any other product in any realm of life. Ignorance is never an excuse. I rooted my phone, if I brick it, that's on me. Yeah, I'll would try and get it replaced, but if they say no, I'll suck it up and buy a new phone... I know the risk, and accept it.

Infamous, the dynasty of development.

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On anything you buy with a warranty, if you don't use it as the manufacturer intends, your warranty is void. If you do something stupid, and screw it up, it's your fault. Welcome to life...

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I think people are just mad because Knox introduced a concept where it's difficult or impossible to hide tinkering with the phone. Before you could fairly easily root and install roms and if something went wrong or you noticed a defect you could just go back to stock and take it to be repaired under warranty. Now that this isn't anymore possible people are throwing a hissy fit.

What I do is I use the phone as stock for a month or 2 to see if there are any defects. If I don't encounter them, then I'll start looking into rooting and custom roms. An additional benefit this gives me is that I have time to read about the different roms and how to install + use them making me less likely to screw up. Something I think more people should try.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mavert:
I called samsung exclusive and they tell me that ther is a chip efuse that "protect" knox. Have you news about a new method to eliminate the comunication between knox and the efuse?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djcmn:
My 2 cents.

While an efuse is not resettable, outside of a motherboard replacement, I can see one other way that this 0x1 can be fixed. For those who claim this has been done, this is how I think they can do it. Because these devices have more than one efuse provision, I believe they simply replace or modify a boot loader so it directs to a different efuse. One that has not been tripped yet. Remember, this is a software trigger.

It would be cool to see some experienced devs here look into this by extracting and examining the boot loader of a device that has had this flag supposedly reset.