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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DertyDOH:
I personally don't see anything wrong with swapping esn's off of a galaxy nexus you already own. Assuming it would work. I get mine Tuesday so I'll stick my Verizon sim in it and see if it works. Otherwise I'll test out AT&T's gophone prepaid and see how that goes
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] McMalakai:
Not a lawyer here, but the bill introduced in 2012 reads with this exception:

``(d) Exception.--Subsection (b) shall not apply to the

manufacturer of a mobile device or a person who repairs or refurbishes

a mobile device unless the manufacturer or person knows that the mobile

device or part involved is stolen.''.​

I am a person who repairs and refurbishes mobile devices. I have about 4 of them, and I flash them and use them for different projects around the house. Anytime my wife's phone doesn't work, she gives it to me to repair.

This is a young law, the courts haven't really tested it yet. I don't want to be the guinea pig, but even the title of this law underscores it's use against THEFT.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kachaffeous:
Ordered the N5, have a Gnex on verizon, will try the sim swap once it comes in. Already have a shipping number, hasn't updated yet though.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djkinetic:
The n5 doesnt have Verizon's most common LTE band, and I'm fairly confident they left it out of the hardware, which would mean no amount of software/modding would enable it. Band 4 is supported however Verizon only has that deployed in select markets, as far as I know the only places it is live is LA, NYC, and CHI. Pretty sure google is pissed at Verizon for what they did with the Galaxy Nexus, hence leaving out that band intentionally. The N5 will work perfect on ATT/Straight Talk, it has all of ATT's LTE bands.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wiredout46:
the page i read said that the bill was sent for review and never passed in the USA.

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people keep saying somebody made the n4 work on verizon. where can i find that thread?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azraell33:
If a Verizon GS4 will work on T-Mobil's network then I see no reason a T-Mobil phone wont work on Verizon's network. Limited some but work non the less.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2506909
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lafester:
yeah right... thats how it works. Go get a tmobile gs4 and test out your theory :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ITGuy11:
I get mine on Monday. First thing that I will try is my vzw sim. If that doesn't work, I have a t-mo pre paid sim ready to activate.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
Its only a matter of days before we can actually test this thing out. I think most of the people who 'want' this to work are O.G. GNEX owners looking to continue the Nexus line (development suppport is by far better on the Nexus phones than any other). It could also be a little thing we like to call 'denial'....me included. Fingers crossed.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
Are you keeping the verizon plan and doing the pre-paid?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 93fuelslut:
People are so worried abt changing the imei number cause its illegal. Isn't rooting and unlocking ur boot loader illegal. Who didn't wear there seat belt today lol

sent from your moms phone
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yadao:
I'm one of the many Verizon Gnex owners upgrading to the N5. I have grandfathered unlimited data, but I'm not hopeful it will work on Verizon. I already have Straight Talk and T-Mobile Sim cards ready to go.

Mine gets here Monday, though, so I may pop my VZW sim in out of curiosity.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
So is tearing that tag off your mattress...gotta watch your back these days.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jack584:
I head something about an ESN/IMEI whitelist on Verizon. Maybe somebody can get lucky and have their Nexus 5 IMEI added somehow by getting lucky at a Verizon store or the technical support line. Not sure if they have the ability to do that though.

I suppose if you were lucky enough to make that happen though, I'm pretty sure CDMA would work correctly because the IMEI would be on the whitelist. Then its just a matter of somebody getting band 13 enabled, just like somebody got LTE working on the Nexus 4.

I would love for it to work on Verizon not just because I would be able to use the best device on the best network, but because it would shut up all the naysayers.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jntdroid:
Rooting and unlocking the bootloader aren't illegal, they just void warranties. Changing the IMEI is truly illegal, from what I understand - kind of like faking a license plate on a car.

And I could see a hack possibly getting the N5 to work where band 4 is implemented, but Verizon also has to allow it even beyond the hardware support, and that's where it gets sticky. Plus, band 4 isn't going to be everywhere I don't believe? At least not at first...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wideasleep1:
It makes it that much harder for the NSA to track/listen in! We wouldn't want to confuse them, now, would we!?! LOL!

While technically illegal, for any judicial system to get involved requires a plaintiff showing 'harm' caused by the defendant. If one owns the phone (not stolen, has receipts), and pays for the service, there is no 'harm'. VZW will simply blacklist any errant IMEI and the account holder. Of course, since you're in Texas, what I've said may not apply, and anything goes! :p
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maxpower7:
Nope, rooting and bootloader unlocking is definitely not illegal. Thanks for playing though.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tenhotshot:
Still Illegal

Sorry buddy, but it is illegal still, unless the FCC changes it. http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/22/4...-companies-to-let-customers-unlock-cellphones
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maxpower7:
Yes, carrier unlocking your phone without your carrier's permission is illegal. Rooting and bootloader unlocking have nothing whatsoever to do with carrier unlocking and are perfectly legal.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jntdroid:
My local Verizon store challenged me to a duel when I mentioned changing my IMEI... Go figure... :p
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] times_infinity:
Reading is fundamental.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ohiojosh78:
Hey all. I know other people are going to try this but I'm not sure if anyone else will be in the situation I am in as soon as I will be. I ordered my N5s within 2 mins of launch (had notification set up) and did the 2 day shipping, so my N5s will be here on Monday. I also have 2 Galaxy Note 2 phone on Verizon. I'll try the SIM swap as soon as they arrive and report back.

Anything I should know? This is an experiment on my end and I have never done this before. Should I put the SIM card in before powering up? Should I *228 or not. If someone knowledgeable lets me know what to do I'll give it a shot. Doesn't seem like much harm could come about with just swapping the SIM cards. Shouldn't hurt the phones. It wont mess up my Unlimited data if they detect it will it? Anything else?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aohus:
LTE band 13 in theory should work but im not sure if it's been soft modded so that it doesn't work.

Check out anandtech's review of the LTE chip used by the N5. It actually supports LTE band 13. FYI the N5 uses the WTR1605L chip, which is also found in the Note 3, LG G2.

If you see NA700 (North America 700MHz band) it shows LTE 13 is possible.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maysys:
I can share my experience with the Nexus 7 LTE tab - popping in the SIM from my Droid DNA worked immediately, as did subsequently cutting down the old-school sim from my LTE Xoom. No problems at all.

As far as VZW is concerned, the details for that number in their business system still list the Xoom as active.

I don't think the Nex5 is going to try to register on the CDMA network either, so the data portion should probably work fine as long as the bands are there. Just don' t imagine voice service is going to work at all, given what I understand of verizon voice service working over CDMA. From what I understand, there is no VZW voice service on LTE as of yet, not until VoLTE is implemented.

I too ordered my Nex5 within moments after it was available, and given that my entire company runs on VZW I don't see jumping ship for this phone. But I'm curious to see what can be done to make it workable, at least as far as the data side goes.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jack584:
Yes, put the SIM in before powering up. You could put the SIM in while the phone is on, but it would just ask you to restart, so mine as well put the SIM in while it's off.

If it doesn't work right off the bat, yes, I would like to know what happens if you dial *228, if that would activate it or not, and what message the system would give you i i did not activate.

No it won't mess up your unlimited data, I swap the SIM from my Galaxy Nexus with unlimited data into my Nexus 7 LTE all the time so that I can use my unlimited data on my tablet, and not have to tether.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ohiojosh78:
Why would voice not work since Verizon uses 850 and 1900mhz, both of which are supported on the phone. Not being a smart ass, this is an actual question.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hotleadsingerguy:
No, it's not. It's against the agreement you sign with your carrier but it's not illegal, by any means.

No, tearing the tag off your mattress also is not illegal. That warning is for the steps between building and owning (it's illegal for the salesman to tear it off, for example). You can do anything you want with it once you have it at home.

Changing MEIDs, however, is completely illegal. It's the same as shaving off and changing the VIN stamps on your car. You can use that device on federally-controlled frequencies, so changing the way you connect to the service is completely illegal.

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That's not entirely correct...It shouldn't change the unlimited data or plan, but the potential exists. According to the agreement you signed when starting your contract (and still agree to, for the life of your service), you aren't allowed to connect unauthorized devices to their network. Trying to connect a device that Verizon does not support or sell means it's "unauthorized". They could, according to their rules, revoke your contract and service.

I highly doubt they would, but they could.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jack584:
Yeah you're right about that. But I agree, I doubt they would do it.

Maybe I should dump my unlimited for the $30 6 GB plan I heard some people were being offered in exchange for dumping unlimited.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
Dont do it...VoLTE is the future...keep unlimited if you can.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jack584:
I don't think voice calls will count towards data on VoLTE. They will count towards minutes. But yeah I'll keep the unlimited as long as I have it.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
Interesting...never thought of that.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azraell33:
When I said a T-Mobile phone I meant the Nexus 5, not the T-Mobile S4. My bad I should have been more specific. Since we were discussing the N5's compatibility with Verizon's network it never occurred to me that by mentioning S4 someone would get confused and think I was talking about a T-Mobile S4. I still think it will work. Maybe not 100% right off but where there is a will there is a way. They're some very resourceful members around don't underestimate them.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crooke356:
I too, get my 5 tomorrow (Monday). Already have an AT&T prepaid SIM. I tried T-Mobile with my N4 and had 0 coverage where I live. While other members of my family who have AT&T have shown little to no coverage at my house, I decided to try them anyway. Also where I live, there is no option for internet aside from dial up. I use my hotspot on my unlimited data plan on VZW. So either way, I'll be keeping VZW as their LTE powers all my internet devices at my home. Powers them well. So.... As well as the others, on the morrow, at 830am (when UPS drops off at my work), we'll see what happens when a VZW SIM is inserted into a Nexus 5.

Edit: While it would be fantastic if something worked, I just don't see it happening. While there was no LTE on the N4 (without tinkering), when I put my SIM in it, no SIM was recognized. But, with all the changes made to the 5 to make it work on every single carrier in the world (except VZW) maybe tomorrow will reveal a different result. I'll be sure to report if someone else hasn't already.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bob60626:
It's not a heavy data use option and I don't know cdma bands, but is anyone considering Page Plus?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ricecake2000:
Mine will be coming in Mon/Tue and I have a straight talk Sim and activation card on the way as well. They are giving free 3 day shipping on the Sim but there is a 4 dollar tax.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
I appreciate everyone willing to test for the rest of us.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mi7chy:
Even if LTE band 4 works on Verizon it's inferior in building penetration as compared to the prime band 13. N5 and early access to Kit Kat are nice but not enough to give up Verizon coverage, grandfathered unlimited data for $23 with corp discount plus Note 3.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] markwebb:
I hear you and have same unlimited data and discount with vzw. However I bought n5 as my secondary play phone with cheap month to month sim plan.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crooke356:
Well... with the vzw sim, it just hangs at the "activate mobile data service" screen with the option to skip. Sorry.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
did you skip and try different mobile settings?

I wouldnt expect the phone to 'activate' but be able to use the network/data. So maybe changing from LTE to global or something.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pclov3r:
Edit: Nevermind
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crooke356:
Options aren't as extensive as they were on 4.3 and previous.. Posted some screen shots.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kregstrong:
Dang so no n5 for Vzw. Shoot guess its g2 time with cm10.2, hopefully 10.3 soon
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ohiojosh78:
If this is true then I'm not sure what to do. Use my N5 on Aio Wireless with a GV# or stay on VZW.

It's been a while since I've looked. Is Google Wallet on a Verizon Note 2 working on rooted/unlocked phones?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crooke356:
I love my G2. If it wasn't for the glossy back, it would be perfect. The G2 on 4.4 will be tits. I'm doing a side by side with it tonight. To be honest, this N5 screen seems weird... Kinda washed out maybe??
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] justreboot:
get a skin/case - done :)

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Personally, I think Verizon is going to show up late to the party again. It happened with the HTC One and a couple of other phones, if we recall. I am hoping that we see this phone before April. I have an S4 that serves me fine for now. If it does go to Verizon I'll give my S4 to my son and take the N5 for myself. If not, who knows what will be out by march/April of '14. I really have no choice than stick it out w/Verizon. There are several factors including the fact that I'm the primary line on a family/employee account :) With 5 lines all with unlimited data, it makes it kind of hard to leave. Additionally, despite what everyone says, they DO have the best coverage in my area (NJ).
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fallingd0wn:
Does the dialer code work? *#*#4636#*#*
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kregstrong:
I agree, I can't leave, out business is on Verizon and for what we do service is highest priority so T-Mobile just wouldn't work. Google did say that they have multiple projects in the pipeline with Verizon. They said that on there blog the day of n5 release, so we might get some sort of n5 variant and maybe something else. Hope so
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crooke356:
I'm going to unlock the bootloader first. We'll see that and root will make things a little more accessible. And I'll have a backup.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] msrfx:
Thanks to you I spewed coffee at my laptop. Well done! LOL. I agree with you. I am dumping VZW today when my N5 gets here btw. Verizon can suck it.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] equake:
If nothing else backup the modem and flash the one from vzw g2

My 2 cents
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kregstrong:
Maybe it can be tricked into thinking its a g2 lol
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fallingd0wn:
You can't back up a modem. That's firmware, not software. Flashing firmware not meant for your device is a bad idea.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] equake:
This phone should be totally unlocked and the Modem partition can be backup up once its rooted and bootloader unlocked with a custom recovery just like all nexus phones.

Google may have already posted the binaries so backups might not even be needed.

my 2 cents
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wiredout46:
in for updates
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fallingd0wn:
That's just it. The modem isn't a partition. You can't back it up in a custom recovery. Have you ever seen that option in CWM or TRWP? When you do a full nandroid backup or restore do you ever see it write modem firmware? Think of it like the BIOS on a PC. You can wipe the harddrive completely but the BIOS will still be there. It's written directly to the chip on the motherboard. Yes, there are factory images available and those will include a modem img file. That file must be flashed in fastboot. Not recovery. If you flash a modem that wasn't intended for your device you can corrupt the baseband to the point where a recovery isn't even possible. With this particular phone being so close to the G2, it may not be a problem. I'm just saying that flashing modem firmware isn't something to be taken lightly and probably not something I would want to blindly try on my brand new Nexus.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] equake:
I used backup as a general term but the modem can be dumped from the filesystem once its rooted and located just like any FW.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maxpower7:
Pardon my likely ignorance, but isn't that what the EFS partition is? The EFS partition can be backed up and restored via recovery.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
Is anyone able to test it for us? LG G2 modem in the N5?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] taikyosan:
hope not lost?

I can see Verizon network but it fails to complete registration. Note I did the day one update. Its set to LTE and roaming is on. I wish I skipped activation and to try it before I did day one update. I got pics if people want proof in Verizon wireless is selectable.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot15638:
I get my phone tomorrow, further testing will be had. I am not giving up hope yet...(on verizon with O.G. Gnex)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jack584:
Try dialing *228?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] taikyosan:
Mobile network not available.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jack584:
Maybe you could try calling the Verizon technical support number (866-221-4096) and tell them that you are having trouble activating your device. If they ask what device it is say that it's a G2. Maybe they will be able to do something on their end to activate it bypassing the normal restrictions that Verizon has on their devices. You could also take it to a Verizon store and see what they could do. But now that I think about it you would probably get nowhere at the store but it's worth a try. Talk to the manager and tell him that you will cancel your service right there at the store if he can't activate it.

And also I believe that you can see the Verizon network, but I think it would be great if you did post the pictures so that everybody can see exactly what your Nexus 5 is saying.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AzRaell333:
That is if you want to risk a soft brick. You might want to wait until a stock odin tar is available in case things go astray.

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I am sorry but I think that is just all around bad advice. Lie to tech support to get a unsupported device to work? If you take it to a Verizon store to get it activated they will tell you to go get bent because it wont work. Don't get me wrong I would love to have one working on Verizon's network, but not that way. I would much rather the community work some tech magic and get it working, so I can go buy one and shelf my bootloader locked S4.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] taikyosan:
Here are the pictures.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jack584:
I understand. I should have thought a little more before I posted.

And I would love that too. So I can get rid of my laggy Galaxy Nexus that burns a hole in my pocket when its used for more then five minutes or can't find a signal.

Thanks.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 93fuelslut:
Agreed°^^^ gnex is junk

sent from your moms phone
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] taikyosan:
I am using a Gnex sim as well. Not that i think it matters. I'm just interested to see what messages pop up if this is tried before the update, skipping activation and all and then trying to add it through the system menu.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boogila2:
Currently have a verizon gnex, hoping some tech wiz with a n5 can figure out a way to get it to hacktivate!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
Thanks for the pictures.

Agreed. I'm also hoping that bypassing the activation and trying the apn settings may be gold. I'm also curious about the LG modem working on the n5.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] equake:
Did you try verifying the APN settings? Sounds like you are not connecting to a network. Make sure you have CDMA selected as a network.

Next steps maybe is to root and to go into service mode and manually make baseband settings.

My 2 cents
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] taikyosan:
Don't have Nexus 5 with me at the moment. i'll try when i get home. Maybe a good test is if someone who lives near towers where VZW turned on Band 4 tried to connect.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kachaffeous:
My N5 should be here any minute; how do I tell what bands Verizon is using near me. I have a GNex sim I can use to test. What do you guys want to see? (Not going to flash the modem)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
Very cool, can you try these apn settings?

http://www.4gtricks.com/2013/03/verizon-4g-apn-settings.html
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] babybacon:
If anyone has the spare time, money, testicular fortitude, or just pure boredom to try it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=45804298

These are the LG g2 modem firmwares to test if it will work on Verizon or others.

I know if i had one i would attempt this, but I wont get mine for 3 weeks.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_w:
All you need to do is odin back to stock if you booger it up.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kachaffeous:
OK, my N5 is in.

Here is what I've done so far. Popped in my Gnex sim and booted up, skipped activation. Took OS update (couldn't skip).

Went to Access Point Names and added the Verizon APN, went back to Network operators and this is what I have.

http://imgur.com/gkXMAAC

Tried connecting to the 311 660 and it wouldn't connect. When I go back to the APN list it is blank though. Shouldn't the Verizon one I added be there?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot15638:
Your picture is not showing up
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fallingd0wn:
From dialer do *#*#4636#*#*. Pick phone information and make sure you're set as LTE/CDMA auto (PRL).