yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Or just fake it all together, some guys in the s4 forum got it to show 0xffffff4 or something like that.

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
and if we can do something like this simply drive it into overflow..., also it was 0xfffffffc, meaning 3 away from may and 4 from overflow.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
Reality shows Samsung has won in deceiving a lot of Note 3 users into upgrading to 4.4.2, bundled with KNOX and an INABILITY TO REVERT BACK to 4.3 (all because of Root de la Vega, as the official KNOX page claims), you're correct regarding the legal conditions... rooting during warranty time did and still does void your warranty.

My frustration however is that I only want to root the phone because of ads cluttered everywhere on my phone while staying stock! I feel the phone has become a playground for corporate ads, AND THIS IS NOT RIGHT! but I can't root, because:

1. Warranty will be voided, no matter how stock the phone stays, I've rooted all my previous phones only for this reason, and I never bricked them.

2. This is a damn large phone, I've already dropped it twice onto tile floor, while logically strange, but structural warranty will be voided also.

That's why I stated no more samsungs for me after Note 3, and also please don't come with the ignorant statements like "if you don't like it, don't buy it coz' corporates acting in this way go the path of M$"

Funny all this KNOX thing is for other reasons, but we the casual rooters are cought in the line of fire... see? :

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/21/president-obama-could-soon-be-using-a-samsung-phone/

Oh and what's the point with securing your phone this much if governments can count the number of hair on your buttocks through your phones ? :) anyway.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pitastrudl:
note 3 had knox from the start. it didn't come from kitkat.

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
Who said they introduced knox from 4.4.2?!!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
First line of the quoted section in the post directly above yours!

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
From when is BUNDLED WITH=introduced from?!

1. New: no reverting back

2. Still there : Knox

Forget it :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
I was just saying, the guy quoted above yours is the one who said it... didn't say he was correct, or I agreed with him... ☺

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
LOL sorry m8, My brain got knox - tripped for a while :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
I called Samsung IT business support today. They said that when your kernel gets upgraded it burns an efuse to keep you from downgrading.

I asked, "what will happen if you accidently release a super f***ed up kernel that would normally force people to downgrade." (Its Samsung so I know it's not likly going to happen, but I was messing with him.) He said, "we will fix it."

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
Haven't tried their new nb4 kernel then have you... lol.

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] senectus:
From my understanding the "no downgrade" is a Locked Bootloader thing, not an efuse (which is Knox).

With that in mind, I'm pretty sure that the discussion about this being software resettable is over... can we close this thread?

It bugs me that it keeps popping up and is so pointless.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
Yes, lets close it. Useless discussion.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Dont be confused, just because it has an efuse, doest mean its KNOX

There could be dozens of efuses on the board. 1 for sure happens to be KNOX related. Another Update related.

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pitastrudl:
You made it sound that it came with 4.4.2, so both of us are in denial. My apologies.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
No hard feelings m8 :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zibri:
Just a thought, how about the other snapdragon 801 based phones? Can't we mix their bootloaders with ours? Or do some cross compares. Just thinking.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BrunoWestone:
How Samsung Reset Knox

It just occurred me that maybe Samsung reset knox using a modified ROM that simply ignore the burned fuse and uses the next available e-fuse instead.

There are several reports of people that get they're devices reseted and it only take 10 minutes, so it must be something like that.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] W0jt1:
but then what about future updates? afaik there is regional ota updates, and there are no versions like that :\ not rom, but something deeper inside the phone, like bios in pc, whatever it is called in android
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
i don't think that would be the case. it could simply be a flag in that RPMB partition that tells the bootloader to use another efuse. or an additional efuse used as a flag to tell the bootloader to use another efuse... well you get the concept

either way, that would mean it would be totally resetable, it just needs somebody to figure out how
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
I personaly think that thats not possible, because you would need a different software for every efuse.

I think these reports of people getting it fixed was enevitable, and some are getting replacements not realizing its a different phone because their data has just been transfered. Then the other 5% or so just want to add fuel to the fire with bs. This may be the extream, but It simply yhe inly possibility I see.

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
what? no.

let's say for example that i have 10 efuses at my disposal. and i want to use them for knox counter, and to make it resettable atleast a number of times. that is easy peasy. pseudocode could just go like this:

bool tripped;

for (int i=0;i<5;i++) {
if (!getfuse(addr+i)) {
tripped = getfuse(addr2+i);
break;
}
}

there you have it. easy code that can just be in the bootloader. no specific hardware code needed and it's resettable 4-5 times.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
you need to store the location of the used fuse.

and as soon as we can change that everything's nice...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Dude if that were true someone would have figured it out a long time ago. Plus samsung is also using efuses for the updates too, so that takes away from availible fuses as well.

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3

---------- Post added at 08:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:21 AM ----------

Plus why would they write a code in their that contradicts the reason for the KNOX trigger to begin with lol.

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
no you don't. because they make the hardware and it is always the same hardware, and the bootloader is hardware specific they know the addresses beforehand. they could just be hardcoded.

first, to figure it out somebody would need to do some heavy reverse engineering. as of now nobody even tried. we had people try to simply mess with the mmc via jtag. chainfire didn't even try to mess with it because of the whole efuse story.

i don't know how many efuses they have at their disposal, i'm just saying there are multiple ways they could have implemented it, making it really hard to reverse engineer but keeping it resetable

last but not least, they would put in such code for the very same reason every other company has put "service entrances" (or call them backdoors) in just about anything. they want complete control over their hardware. they want to cut YOU out while keeping themselves in.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
There is a big difference between a backdoor into software and an efuse work around. If Samsung could simply reset the efuse with software then there claims to a voided warrenty wouldn't be as valid.

I have a source at a Samsung service center I'll ask about this, and cut and paste his email reply l8ter. If he says anything to prove your right I'll be happily to admit it, mostly cuz Im so dang tempted to burn my fuse for a certain custom kernal.

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mzsergiu:
99932985

does anyone debugged the motherboard of the phone to understand if this fuse is burned or not?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
what? if samsung manages to have a warranty flag so secure that they're pretty much sure nobody can crack, but it's still changeable by them then it makes perfect sense.

anyway, the bottomline is this:

assuming the reports of service centers resetting the flag are true, samsung actually succeeded in turning away the very few developers/hackers that have the know-how to crack it, making the system actually secure while keeping complete control over it. that's pretty much it.

---------- Post added at 02:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:44 PM ----------

afaik, nobody has.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ajster1989:
Then why did it take almost 4 months for people to say anything about service centers resetting their fuses. Before that it was always about how service centers saying you needed a new mother board., anyways I emailed my guy, well see what he says.

Sent from another Galaxy... Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
samsung has no obligation of making their tools available to anyone. they can choose if and when. also, im pretty sure not all the service centers have the ability (and knowledge of) to reset knox counter.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Killberty:
Hey guys, i just resetted KNOX ;)

Hahah dream on, april fools
[Galaxy Note 3 General] perezmarka:
This is a Software Issue

When I first got my phone, I did not have a Knox Boot Loader. I avoided it by Odin updates of modems with no Boot Loader by Unknownforce. Then I was trying out new roms and Odined the wrong ROM and suddenly I have a Knox Boot Loader. The Boot Loader is installed in a Sprint software update. People avoid it by removing that bit of software code from the update before installing new modems on their phone. If Sprint wants to reset the boot loader it would be easy for them to just write a bit of code that over wrote the last bit of code.

I'm new to this so I'll ask the obvious questions:

Can a new update be created that simply overwrites the old one and eliminates Knox or deletes the boot loader?

If we know where the Boot Loader partition is, can we remove the partition and recreate a new empty boot loader partition.

I started another thread a few days ago before stumbling on this one. As I stated there, when comparing a non-boot-loader modem and a boot loader modem, the boot loader version has three extra files. Something I said there:

"After MF9, the Knox Bootloader was included in the update. Unknownforce has a great thread that has the modems with or without the boot loader. What I did first was unzip the tar files for MF9 (with and without the boot loader.)

Both files have:

modem.bin

NON-HLOS.bin

rpm.mbn

tz.mbn

When I compare the files in both, they seem identical. Same creation date, same size, ect. They may or may not be the same? But the boot loader version has some extra files.

Boot Loader Version has these files:

aboot.mbn

sbl2.mbn

sbl3.mbn

Process of elimination indicates that these have the Knox Boot loader encoded in some way. The sbl files are placed in the root directory /firmware-mdm/image/ . Try as I might, I can't find aboot.mbn. I did a nandroid backup of my system, then I deleted sbl2.mbn and sbl3.mbn using ES File Explorer. When I rebooted the phone, the files were back in the directory."

This is a long thread so I am still reading through it all but has anyone explored these files more. Since aboot.mbn is the one hiding somewhere, I think is may be the most important. I've opened it with a hex editor but I don't know enough to edit it in the right place. But it seems like the boot loader is encoded somewhere in these three files.

Could a new modem update be created that has these files edited ignore the efuse, overwrite the previous boot loader or to delete it entirely? Instead of trying to delete it why not do what Sprint did and just update it with a custom bootloader?

Thoughts?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zibri:
The fact is this:

1) you are right "knox security warranty" is void not the phone warranty! BUT:

Samsung voids the warranty if non official firmware is used and if knox is 0x1 then non official system was used. So Warranty is void.

That's it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] timberwolf60:
I suggested to sell away Samsung phone and get other brands like me and enjoy.

Send from my C6903 using TapatalkPro

my SG device: Z1 rooted 681 ROM by NUT with 2.7.101 xzdualrecovery, mod by GavityBox 3.0.1

Samsung S2 standby for Z1 when Z1 no power.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
Your phone's warranty (although easier to hide) is still void once you rooted it... so to each their own, I'm very happy with my note3 warranty or no... so I'll stay right here.

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sabriptm:
huhuhu still waiting for the good news
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Moscow Desire:
Ok, Pointless thread is pointless.....

Everybody has their own opinion, so let's leave it at that!

In the effort to avoid flaming retribution, this thread is closed.

Cheers!

MD
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
indeed...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nitrate:
Gesendet von meinem SM-N9005 mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ace_of_spades021:
I asked some one who work at samsung agency about this and he told me they do it with BOX RIFF and ORT ......
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
what?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sajoo:
RIFF Box is a device to rescue broken phones.

normal users cant buy this box i think.

and i dont even know how much it would cost.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
the riff box I have heard of but I was confused since he said Box riff, but WTF is ORT???
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sajoo:
here is the ort jtag

http://www.ort-jtag.com/
[Galaxy Note 3 General] testadeferro:
Well people just received my s4 from warranty repair.

Knox flag was 0x1 and my screen membrane was Brocken. They replace the screen without charges.

I asked service from Samsung and they told me that the flag isn't mean of warranty void at all.

Only Knox will not able to run anymore.

I asked why and if it was reversible and the guy told no. And no further explanations after I insisted with him.

I sent phone with 4.3 MJ5 and they flashed with 4.2 GG, so there´s proof that they can´t reset to a non knox bootloader even in service centre.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
I wish Samsung would clarify their stance on warranty repairs and knox. I'm keen to root and flash stuff to get my Note 3 where it should be for me. But I just paid £620 for it. If the home button develops a fault I'm assuming I'm absolutely screwed if I return it to Samsung with a tripped knox counter?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] walda:
I understand that knox shall not work when the system has changed.

I can not understand, why knox is insecure when the whole system flashed back to stock. Then it would be save enough i think.

Cant understand samsung in that point.

... tapat@lked
[Galaxy Note 3 General] testadeferro:
From my experience no.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] taltalon:
Can you confirm ODIN can flash KNOX firmwares without tripping IT?

Guys,

Can anyone confirm if i just flash stock firmwares (with KNOX) on a SGS 4, i don't root them, i don't modify them.

I just flash stock firmwares, does ODIN trip the KNOX flags? i don't downgrade either. i just go UP to the most resent version with KNOX from where every i am today.

Lets say I'm on INU MG5 and i want to go to INU MJ5 (NOX) and then INU MJ8 (latest)

can i do that without tripping the KNOX...

thanks

tal
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
That's promising. Your knox flag tripped? But what about flash count, were you able to use triangle away? I'm a bit confused. I sent my N2 for a sim tray repair last week. I restored to stock and used triangle away. Samsung had no idea.

What's the score with Note 3 then. If rooted knox can't be reset I know. But what about flash counter?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
Yep. The rule is once you do an "unauthorized intervention on the software" (eg rooting, flashing stuff eyc) your warranty is void.

So, if after a month of being rooted the phone develops a problem (with buttons, screen etc) it won't be repaired because the warranty was voided at the moment of the "unauthorized intervention.." - a month ago.

That's the rule and apparently there are a few exceptions.. but I wouldn't count on luck of I was you.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
I left Apple because I was sick of being locked down and waiting months for a jailbreak .

Seems Samsung are screwing us guys in a similar way.

Yeah Samsung , you're now the best of a bad bunch.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kakyyabata:
guys i just back from samsung service my N9005 was reparation and i lost my EFS and my konx was 0x1 at first they told me i lost my warranty and they will change the main board and i have to pay so i fight with them and they fix it in one day without even open it it's all software

Konx can be reset i tired to get more information from them but they don't say anything
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Adnan1973:
Completely "normal" relationship

My opinion is that the reset is something easy but we just do not know exactly where to pay attention
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Maybe. But even Chainfire can't figure it out, that doesn't bode well.

It's the shape of things to come. Samsung won't drop it in future devices just for us. We're a drop in the ocean .
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Adnan1973:
Today I wrote to a friend of mine who is boss in my service provider. Let's see what will be his answer
[Galaxy Note 3 General] testadeferro:
Can someone tell me the first firmware with knox bootloader on s4 lte?

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Adnan1973:
the upper of this changelist 1081224 for me

but I'm sure that different regions are different, one have sbl1 others no
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kakyyabata:
its really something too much easy i check all my device and everything like before nothing touched so there is a tool or software they use it to fix and reset it
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Adnan1973:
If we think in a simple way - that at S4 we got an update - software and should normally be removed with software again - simply
[Galaxy Note 3 General] funtoosh:
Guys I'm not having much knowledge about KNOX, but I don't think KNOX came pre-installed on my N3, I got it before 2 days and I just have an icon of KNOX on my N3, when I tap it, it shows the following screen, does it means KNOX is not installed or it's something else

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
we are not talking about the knox application but rather the "Knox Warranty void" Flag which you can see in DL Mode...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] funtoosh:
Sorry my bad
[Galaxy Note 3 General] digittante:
It seems rooted/Knox0x1 devices can not be encrypted using device-level Android encryption. If you want that, don't root or trip Knox.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mpit88:
Is this true? This is a standard Android feature.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] RavenY2K3:
It looks like the latest update for the N900 (Exynos) now includes a Knox counter in the boot loader, where it did not have before. I reckon we'll see more focus on getting a reset done by devs, now the whole N3 range is getting it, not to mention that they are adding it to the S4.

If the counter starts appearing on the Note 2 and S3 I reckon it has to be software.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] alexkum:
I can confirmed that knox counter is reversible. I tripped my knox to 0x1. Sent it and within 2 days they asked me to collect it. My knox is 0x0.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gerardo87:
Do you need to pay anything for reset it???

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CNexus:
It's funny how there's a sudden burst of "my Knox counter was reset" stories, yet no one has even shown the tiniest shrivel of proof
[Galaxy Note 3 General] RusherDude:
Even if they return it back with fx 0x0 it doesn't mean nothing.

1) They could make a fast hw change without you noticing it (there are machines that could do such changes in seconds).

2) The most probably option: multiple e-fuses, and they do a software-trick that just enables a secondary circuit (out of n-circuits, same number than efuses) with an efuse that hasn't been burned yet (so 0x0).

And be sure of one thing, if it is not an e-fuse, after all the e-fuse talking, it WILL be an e-fuse on the next samsung phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] alexkum:
Free of charge.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Adnan1973:
well

Even if you pay

it is important

that it is possible and not, as was said at the outset
[Galaxy Note 3 General] alexkum:
Here is the screenshot of in dl mode.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] taz44410:
As everyone knows Sammy is implementing knox on the note 2 as well

The developers in that forum have stated that the new bootloader has a lot of knox implementation hidden within it even more than was originally thought
[Galaxy Note 3 General] epicer:
Sorry, this is a somewhat unrelated question, but -- what was wrong with your 3.5mm plug? Is it related to being able to hear some static or buzzing in certain situations? I ask this because I'm experiencing this problem.

Did them changing the 3.5mm plug fix the issue (whatever it was)?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
if the headphones were note in a "very veery exact" osition in the plug, i was hearing some noisy buzzing. Now solved.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] androidlover287:
I'm skeptic

People who are claiming it can be reset are junior members, doesn't that strike people as odd? it does me.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mvansomeren:
Not really. Junior members may just be quicker to return phones to their carriers for repair than members that have been a part of XDA for a while and perhaps have more experience.

If you think about it from a purely business (economical) stand point, combined with how carriers are quick to replace your "defective" phone with a refurbished one, it makes sense that there is a way to reverse the Knox warranty flag - whether software or pointing to a different, unblown efuse. It seems unfathomable that a carrier or Samsung would incur additional costs to have phones shipped back to Samsung to have hardware replaced to restore knox 0x0 so that they could then be used as refurbished replacements...especially early on in the roll-out.

In my mind the only thing that remains a question is if the XDA community will ever have access to the "tool" used to reset the Knox value to 0x0 and/or prevent it from tripping in the first place when flashing custom recoveries and roms.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :cool:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
well I am also quick about giving my Phone Back and I am no Junior, and see what I got a free 64GB microSD (got my money back to buy a new one right in a promotion in February) and now an Upgrade from Note 2 to Note 3 (not completely free, but from the 599 Euro I only had to pay 104 coz 495 were from Note 2)

if I would have everything I could check whether or nor it is a hardware thing (I have MAC whitelist in my WLAN)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] krelvinaz:
Rooted with Knox at 0x0 won't encrypt the internal sdcard either apparently.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
He looked in to boot loader and said he's not an expert in this. Since it uses an complete different structure and way of reading/understanding and it's more restricted. I'm not sure what tool you should use but using ida or any other tool you'll only be able to look in raw mode and the aboot.mdn is one if those files :)

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
How can they prove it? Posting before and after pics means nothing, they could actually be after and before pictures...

Sent from my SM-N9005
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Fair enough. Wasn't aware of that ..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sohebq:
Knox bulls**t is now on exynos as well, on both n3 n s4. This proves that its a pure software stuff. Hoping the crack is around the corner.

Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
How does that have any relation to this?

Members who are new here may have lots of experience but have been part of XDA. Sincexda isn't the only place for android!!!