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[Galaxy Note 3 General] FeNo2:
Hi Everyone,

New to the forums and it has taken me awhile to read all 58 pages of this thread, not counting many of the links people posted here.

I know this is the Note 3 section, but just wanted to mention I have the Cricket S4 (SCH-R970C) with 4.3 rooted and Knox still 0x00.

[MENTION=5584002]BrunoWestone[/MENTION] -

I read your excellent posts and had some thoughts about what you were trying with Jtag.

After you completely wiped whichever device you were testing, instead of flashing the image from a non-knox-tripped device, WHAT IF, you tried reading back the wiped device? You might find sections that had not been erased which would give a clue to where those areas are since they weren't actually erased. I'm not sure if this would be helpful or not. If those areas still had data, it would probably be encrypted anyway.

My other thought is KIES must have a way to unlock the bootloader so it can do upgrades, maybe there's a clue there also.

Back in post #513 someone mentioned the SIM card, this also occurred to me, but I don't know enough about how they work. Maybe someone could do some testing with swapping SIM cards after a device with knox 0x01 has been overwritten with an image from a device with knox 0x00.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] resudo:
They refused to fix mine because of KNOX. Twice. Different repair centers as well(Note 2). They told me KNOX was tripped therefore my phone was automatically out of warranty. Will wait some months for KNOX to get hacked(eventually) and then go to the third and last repair center in my area(Thessaloniki, Greece)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mulletmeister:
I'm a bit miffed by this 'out of warranty' claim by Samsung. Am I being a bit naive here??

The 0x1 only refers to the knox warranty doesn't it? By that I mean the knox secure system? I have read many things on here and the Samsung press releases and nowhere does it say anything other than knox warranty, i.e the secure knox system, and that tripping it just prevents any 'secure' knox apps being installed / run.

I also have a problem with Samsung / Carriers enforcing this due to the fact that the warranty terms and conditions are inside the box when you get the phone, so you are unable to view them and 'accept' the terms until after your purchase. Once the box is opened, the phone cannot be returned, so how do you know what the T's & C's are in advance?

Why is it also possible, as stated on here, to 'trip' the knox using Kies with official firmware? How are they going to explain that? I've just spent £600 on a phone that a) I cannot improve, b) have to suffer Samsungs intollerable TW, c) cannot operate to it's full potential and d) cannot use the expensive SD card I bought to store MY files on (possibly a 4.4.2 issue I know but hey...Samsung aren't helping!!)

Yes, I know that all my prayers will be answered by root / custom, which I have done many times (I still have a SGS2, and HTC One ville, running Avatar 4.4.2 and it's still great!!), but until we have a definitive answer, with regards to warranty, I'm a bit stuck or I could end up with a £600 paperweight!

I can't see how a button falling off could be the result of using a custom rom, but I can see their point when someone overclocks and fries their cpu. I am also a little cynical when it comes to the efuse, this gives them free reign as when you flash a custom recovery / rom, it destroys the bit, and gives the 0x1, so you have, in effect, damaged the phone! How many of you on here were told about this when you went for the latest Samsung hardware? Would you have bought it if you knew???? I bloody wouldn't, and I bought two N9005's!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dabitz:
Stupid question, but how do you read Knox count?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
reboot in download mode.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Er. Aditya:
10 minutes , happy news i saw a bounty thread for n900 , i mist tell them there's a way finally
[Galaxy Note 3 General] vexorian:
Heh, this is actually a good idea.

We know that this KNOX bit message is getting added to phones that didn't have it at first. So it is software. Maybe instead of trying to reset the KNOX flag, hacking this message is easier.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Spere:
One guy have changed download mode knox message, so it's possible - but it won't bring back your knox functionality.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Retailers have no clue about this just talked to a retailer and when I said Knox 0x1 he just O.o what's this 0x1 pretty much they know nothing about this and yeah that's a shame because instead of just selling phones they need to be more informative on what's being changed due to this warranty crap. And well they isnt . and that's bad!

So go ask any retailer and make fun of them and feel like you're more knowledged than him on this xD

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mab71:
Hahaha...how should they know about it since they're mostly using iphones
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
The guy knew what Knox was but not 0x1 ;) so yeah he didn't use high phone quality crap

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ultramag69:
You expected them to know about a product they are trying to sell you, are you nuts.... :p:laugh:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Yeah I expect that since they know what they're selling or do you ever going into a store and say hey I want a phone. Sorry can't help you. Help yourself. But I want a phone with a good camera. Help yourself?

No in my country they're telling this is good if you want this or that.

And yeah he knew about Knox so i assume he knew more then you thought he were. So he was basically a Sammy user or he wouldn't be knowing about it. But yeah he didn't knew that s4 had it so I would assume he's note iii user lool.

A reseller must have multi knowdge about phones or he's basically trash. Because he wouldnt be fitting for the work. Many retailers I've seen don't use iPhone they either use HTC or samaung. Or any other android phone. They dislike iPhone

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
Why should they know about knox warranty?

You can ask them : if I flash a random firmware found on the Web, or if I root my phone, will my warranty be voided?

Probably all will say yes.

That's all they need to know and all they must say about this.

Why should they care about how will the technicians know you've been naughty?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
It's been said Knox can be triggered while recovering your device with kies so if you got 0x1 from kies your warranty will be void? Don't think so pal they should know about it since yeah they're selling devices they should know about warranty purposes

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
let's hope that the KnoxAway will come. then the problems can rest in Hell...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
Amen
[Galaxy Note 3 General] xaaronx:
I know this is off-topic but I'll surely get a prompt answer... I think ;)

Can I ask, something I haven't been sure of and can't find much about, if Knox is set to 0x1, can I still flash any ROM and boot-loader I want?

Or does it lock out overwriting the boot-loader and ROM? Or just one?

Thanks!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] danieljamie:
Knox 0x1 doesn't affect what you can flash.

However their latest bootloader cannot be downgraded, so you can't flash an older one.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] xaaronx:
Awesome thanks. Should I care about this? I just want a good 4.3 ROM + Root. I might not even have to flag 0x1 :victory:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] danieljamie:
If you flash a custom kernel or recovery, or if you root, or flash a custom rom, your device will change to knox 0x1 and your warranty will be void.

So it's up to you if you should care...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
As a prior mobile phone sales man, we only knew about our services more than the devices. I was always fascinated with the phones so I knew more.

The salesman or carrier stores aren't there to be tech experts to where as they will have or should have service center or specialist for this kind of stuff.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CNexus:
[MENTION=2372059]xda_q8[/MENTION]

Any proof of this?

It's easy to say stuff, but I won't be hopping on the "woot Knox is software based" train until I see something tangible.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mwazeer:
+1
[Galaxy Note 3 General] churchey360:
It's sounds like to me he just flashed the Mj1 bootloader. I know you can't downgrade to a KNOX free bootloader but what if you just reflash the KNOX boot loader to reset it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] quantumtransfer:
It looks like the knox setup is done in containers and partitions.. ect.. we would just need to combine those partitions and to only allow 1 bootloader and bypass all of this knox stuff completely. I duno if that is possible but looking at the knox software website, it looks like that would be something that could be done.

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I wonder if it would be possible to pull the primary bootloader and remove the knox securities out of it and replace it..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] RippeR37:
@up yea, deassembling primary bootloader, finding which part is related to knox, removing it so rest would still work and compiling it again sounds easy. We should get to it asap ;)

If website is to be belived, this might not even help at all since majority of checkups might be in later bootloaders.

Still i hope there will be something out if it. Strange thing that there is nobody who actually works in samsung service center and is registered here? :/
[Galaxy Note 3 General] littlecx:
so all we need now is the app the tech guy using
[Galaxy Note 3 General] resudo:
Who is he??? Can you give a link or something??
[Galaxy Note 3 General] exprxp:
There is now WAY to reset KNOX counter

When you have NULL/NULL IMEI in Note 3 N9005 in Service Center no sloution at this moment, So, eXCHANGE can help to do that and quick IMEI Rewrite. It will take about 8-2 mins for me.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] acmk:
NULL/NULL IMEI in Note 2 N7100

I have this problem, please, tell me haw to rewrite my IMEI. I have NULL/NULL IMEI in Note 2 N7100
[Galaxy Note 3 General] exprxp:
We are talking about N9005 here actually

But When you have null/null N7100 these steps must be done

1. Full flash with pit file

2. EFS clear

If still no IMEI, IC-MODEM replace.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] resudo:
This will reset knox??
[Galaxy Note 3 General] exprxp:
There is NO WAY TO RESET KNOX TO 0x0

Many times told you.

IF it will be possible, i will tell you (currently investigating...)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] resudo:
Ok thanks.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tleung11:
For guys here, I think most concern is the warranty when it's needed to return to repair centre.

So, if the KNOX tripped, out of the method of hacking it (now it's no way for new version), is that more easy to also make the KNOX bit non-readable (kill the bootloader)?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] maxilick:
LOL, dejavu.......Just moved over to SGN3 from a HOX. With the HOX it was the never ending ending quest for "S-Off" and getting rid of "relocked" status, which didn't stop me from customizing my phone to the way I like/use it. Now I have 0x1................ :laugh:, again that didn't stop me from customizing my phone. As stated in a previous post, I'm certain if my SGN3 needs to be warrantied it'll be bricked beyond anything..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
This Samsung phones are pretty tough to brick though...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ocujos:
Just put your phone in a microwave oven and run it for 1 sec on high power setting. This will kill all the electronics inside without leaving any marks. The only way to fix such phone is to replace it with a new one. This also works on other electronic products.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
:D

Everybody knows/heard stories of microwave ovens used for recharging the batteries, in 1 minute :))

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130531111435AAtZFg0

//IF they don't explode/melt/catch fire => absolutely no way for them to know => fresh MB with knox 0x0.

:waytoocrazy: :lol:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
but are they then OK for warranty? I doubt that...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] acmk:
n7100 nul IMEI

Ok, sorry to reply here and THX 4 u info. I post before http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=50835100 but Ididn´t revive any help yet.

My problem is that I can´t donwgrade (odin said fail alwais) to 4.1.2 and I can´t fin a full file with pit for flash in a 4.3 version.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zibri:
With a modiefied bootloader you could even do it the dirty way and make it always show 0x0 even if it's 1 :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
that was already done, partially.

but this doesnt bring back functionality...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gudodayn:
Here in Taiwan, the Kitkat update was made available a few days ago ……

I connected my 9005 to Kies and fair enough it told me an upgrade is available.

I went ahead with the upgrade and during the process, the phone's screen kinda went into download mode with a progress bar at the bottom.

I noticed there was a line saying "Knox Warranty Void 0x1".

At first I was concerned with the word "Void" …… I later Google~ed it and realized that "0x1" is what I should really worry about!

I spoke to Samsung Taiwan Service Center and they basically told me that the "0x1 = WARRANTY LOST!"

I remember recovering my phone once with Kies (the phone wouldn't turn on) and was wondering if that's what tripped it?

Other than that, the phone is running fine without any issues (fingers crossed)!

The service center basically evaluates technical aspects and have no right in making other decisions (reclaim or extend warranties). The staff suggested that I call Samsung over the phone as they have more Senior personnel at the call center that can / may rectify these issues.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] walda:
This knox **** is forcing me to move from Samsung to LG after approx 10 samsung galaxies...

Damn Samsung.

... tapat@lked
[Galaxy Note 3 General] maxilick:
your on the right track, nuclear style.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] knaider:
Is there anyway we can at least recover KNOX files when the knox counter is set to 0x1?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] smeet.somaiya:
Does anyone have an app called Fused Location in the application manager??

I guess it is related to the location of the knox counter
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Everyone has that. Doesn't matter if you're tripped or not

nop
[Galaxy Note 3 General] smeet.somaiya:
What if we delete that app??

It should remove the flag. Maybe :P
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
There is no app called fused. The knox uses actual fuses that burn on the circuit board as stated here. [quote name="mahmoud007" post=50365741]dude ... you ever heard of diode or anode or cathode ??<br />

there is "NO" any kind of fuses or Qfuses inside your device that burns !!<br />

electrically burn means path cant transfer any electricity anymore !! which means some hardware's "will" stop working for lack in power or completely shut !!<br />

other than that this method is illegal in devices even if it was made by Samsung !!<br />

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but if you meant by Qfuse is a diode breakdown voltage ... then theoretically might be true .. and its not illegal because that Qfused piece will be still give electricity but not same as before .. if its that way on samsung devices .. then the once whom trying to reset counter are screwed .<br />

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because there is no solution than replacing that piece .<br />

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but i hardly believe that samsung had followed that method in there devices .[/QUOTE]<br />

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As I said, my english isn't too good for explain correctly things. <br />

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A qfuse is not a full Fuse who'll blew up and damage the phone, it's just a little piece who can be placed inside the cpu or on the motherboard and when it "burned" act as a "0" bit<br/>
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Go ahead and try don't think it's that easy. Because even if you install a full wipe rom it won't reset it.

So it's not that easy

nop
[Galaxy Note 3 General] smeet.somaiya:
Yes. That's true.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] koskhandeh:
After a couple of weeks with my new out of the box 4.3 note 3, OTA offered me an upgrade to Kitkat 4.4.2, and as the only info I could read by googling Kitkat where Yeaaaaah man... Great battery life... Yeaaaaah man.... Kitkat is finally here.... I proceded to upgrade to Kitkat :( Of course by now I've found out about the drawbacks... Guys I really don't wanna rant at Samsung for its Knox counter or Google for stabbing android community in the back with its No external SD policy on Kitkat... But seriously... :( I mean I feel this is too much... Paying for a premium device that's better not be rooted or else... saying goodbye to external storage and now this "you can't revert back" policy...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] timberwolf60:
My Z1 also have it and without knox, I can easily upgrade/downgrade without problems, and more enjoying it than Samsung phone.

Send from my C6903 using TapatalkPro

my Sg device: Z1 rooted136 ROM by NUT with 2.7.94 dualrecovery, mod by GavityBox 2.9.8. Samsung S2 standby for Z1 when Z1 no power.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pitastrudl:
you probably already had the knox counter with 4.3

fused location has no connection to knox and so does your post...

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
People, please just google "SAMSUNG KNOX" and read... it is a damn security feature! And fused location is your phones location services.

Infamous, the dynasty of development.

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You can trip knox and still get your phone replaced or repaired... unless you do something completely asinine.

Infamous, the dynasty of development.

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It's main purpose is to protect valuable from cloning and theft

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
Samsung service centers can reset knox from a computer through your phones usb cable, putting phone to completely stock as is out of the box.

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Probably has to do with factory mode (odin but for complete factory reset)

nop
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djtheraven:
This is true which means no hardware changes no efuse.... Probably a partition that we can't reach without the right code....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I think we need to enter factory download mode instead of odin download mode for a way to reset knox. If they use it trough a usb cable.

We're almost always accessing the odin download mode and not factory download mode. To me it seems to be two different things since factory download mode isn't accessible through an easy way.

nop
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
but is there yet one found (way for factory mode)???
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
Not that I know of...

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djtheraven:
You would think it would leak by now...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bekasulaberidze:
My Knox is 1 and not 0x1
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nitrate:
Isn't "MDL factory download mode" the one Galaxy Ace is using? Never heard of that before on devices like the S4 or Note 3. ODIN mode is the only download mode I'm aware of.

Edit:

Oops, i can hardly remember... Factory download mode can be reached by USB JIG while you're on new bootloaders.

Gesendet von meinem SM-N9005 mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jvidia:
I don't understand (if that's true) why no one from a service center has leaked the "How To Do That" :crying:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
Amen brotha! I have been saying that all along.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
It's all about risks "they say" they'll find out and the person who leaked it will get a shoe in his back and be kicked out.

nop
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jvidia:
In present days, with the internet advent, it would be almost impossible to find WHO leaked the info.

I don't buy that ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
I'm sure if knox is this bad, that there in house system is 10 times worse, besides that, if the reset is leaked, then that pretty much shoots a hole in the whole system. It's a security setup that samsung is using to try and get Government contracts with, if it does get leaked, they could stand to lose billions. That said, it's probably why it hasn't been leaked, or cracked yet. Every dev I know has looked into it, with no results...

Infamous, the dynasty of development.

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Every program is probably coded to the representative it's realeased to, if they were to try and duplicate it, it would more than likely set off all sorts of alarms, and failsafe shutdowns.

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
No it won't be bad.

It actually depends on if you want your phone to be more secure.

Knox is just a mess for people that hates to be restricted. For people who doesn't flash etc it can be good.

Depends on how you see it. There's a reason why it's there. And there's a reason why they don't want us to being able to revert. Due to its your decision. They might say. Oh your phone is safe. Even with this knox stuff. True fact.

You'll never be safe with it. If it's stolen what do they do. Turn of the phone etc. They do everything that comes in their way to get access to it. So knox isn't as great as they think. If they want it to be secure root the device shouldn't affect it.

Because you can't access the features you once set up.

So it's a good go if they find a way to reverse it

nop
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
I meant bad, as in this hard for every samsung developer on earth to crack... then their corporate security policies would be even more protective

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djtheraven:
+1 it reminds me of when directv change their cards till this day nobody's been able to crack them. And that's been going on for 10 years now. And I remember everybody said one day someone will leak the code for the card and we can start making cards again... not....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
this has nothing to do with the knox warranty bit reset we're talking here... nobody cares about cracking knox, but people care about the warranty flag. it just appears that samsung tied the knox functionality to the warranty flag just as an extra security measure but leaking how to reset the warranty bit won't make knox less secure than it already is
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
It has everything to do with with the warranty bit reset, as the warranty bit is tripped by flashing insecure recoveries and kernels, which has to do with the cloning of devices. A leak of any of this would be detrimental to the development of government contracts... as a former military subcontractor, facilities that build for the government are every bit as secure as the governments facilities, or they lose the contracts. The biggest thing here is samsung doesn't really give two sh!ts what the general public does to there phones. They have still been repairing and replacing tripped phones just like always... they still deny some as they always have as well... think of it as buying a new car, you can modify it to an extent (wheels, tint, ect.), and the warranty will still fix the car, but start tearing the engine apart and you're SOL.

Infamous, the dynasty of development.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ZDeuce2:
Anyway, my point being, you are correct in the fact that leak the reset won't make your phone any less secure, it will make samsung less reliable as a corporation trying to prove it's capable of its firmware holding trusted secrets. That's why it won't be leaked...

Infamous, the dynasty of development.