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[Shield General] jfp555:
Thank you for that quick yet very detailed reply. Really cleared up quite a few things for me.

Thankfully, I have held off from buying anything besides an MSI Gaming 970 yet. The only tablet I have right now is an HP Touchpad.

I intend to set up the best game streaming experience even if I have to spread it out over devices. i.e. I can play controller based games on one device (such as a tablet) but what impressed me most on gamestreaming and what I really would like to accomplish is basically streaming the entire desktop through gamestreaming.

A really good demonstration is in this video (2:10 min mark)

'Nvidia Gamestream 1080p/60 Over WiFi on Shield Tablet'

youtube / watch?v=eYrO70kBr0s

Streaming the desktop would allow me a lot of versatility and allow me to play RTS games as well. It is disappointing to hear that non-Tegra devices are having problems. I would love to hear what your suggestions are for setting up a desktop experience as in the video. Is there a possibility that the non-Tegra devices problems will be solved? What issues might I run into if I am running an older version of GFE that does not cause lag issues?
[Shield General] estabon:
Dragon Age Inquisition

Im having some major lag issues with dragon age inquisition. The controls are behind by about 3-5 sec. It eventually just stops working. I tried other games and had no issues with lag. Could it be the intense graphics that cause this to lag? Why just the one game? Please help! I bought this on pc just so i could stream to my tablet.
[Shield General] cgutman:
You can easily use Limelight as a remote desktop solution using step 2 of this guide: https://forums.geforce.com/default/...-don-rsquo-t-have-native-controller-support-/

So far, no issues using GFE 2.1.3. If you're willing to rely on an unofficial GameStream client, you'd presumably be willing to use an older GFE build.

I've got steps to downgrade here - http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=56839233&postcount=1699

Probably a PC-side issue. Might check around the Shield forums for other people having issues.
[Shield General] Reldan:
Howdy all. I'm the guy who made the streaming video linked above, and I'm looking to make a new one using Limelight this weekend. This is especially important since I updated to Lollipop, and so can't use Game Hub for 1080p Wifi streaming any longer due to a lack of a working Fake Ethernet workaround on the new OS. The streaming works great with Limelight still.

One issue, though, is that although I have root, the current rooted Limelight no longer is handling external mouse properly like it was under 4.4. Is there a trick to getting this to work with Lollipop, or will it be a matter of waiting for a new version? I was planning to do a desktop streaming video for Limelight but it's rough trying to do so without proper mouse support, so it might make more sense to hold off on that front.

Thanks!
[Shield General] cgutman:
I'm planning to ship v3.0 soon, so if you're going to show off the UI it may be worth joining the beta group (see OP). If I'm lucky, it may be in production by this weekend.

I haven't tested root mouse and keyboard support on Lollipop yet. I'll try to do that tomorrow to see if I can reproduce your issue on my Nexus 7.
[Shield General] Ilocans:
Multiple Gamepad

Hello,

Does anyone know if it is possible to play with several gamepad ?

If I use a keyboard, I can play in local multiplayer to trine or trine 2. I would like to do the same with 2 gamepad with other game like injustice or lego marvel.

I heard with the sixaxis tool, I can plug up to 4 PS3 gamepad. Does anyone make it work with 2 ps3 gamepad and limelight ?

Thanks for your help,
[Shield General] nk33:
Get a wireless xbox 360 pad which comes with the usb wireless adapter. all you need then is to buy additional pads. each usb adapter takes 4

edit: obviously you need to get the OTG adapter for your device which creates a host usb...
[Shield General] Ilocans:
Thank you.

I was not planning to buy Xbox 360 wireless gamepad but one more PS3 gamepad and the sixaxis tool.... No one tried this ?

But according to you, the 2 or more connected gamepad to my android through wireless will be detected by limelight and then my desktop and I will be able to use it ?

I have an old Xbox 360 wired gamepad and I tried marvel lego: it is not detected by the game except if it is connected to the PC. Is there a slight difference that I miss ? or maybe it is an exception and not a good game to do my tests

Thanks for your help
[Shield General] nk33:
hi,

ok, my setup is, galaxy tab pro 8.4, i connect an OTG cable to it, i then connect the XBOX 360 wireless receiver, this then picks up my wireless xbox pad and i can play any game no problem. I must admit that i havent tried it with 2 pads but made an assumption that it will work the same as 2 pads with my pc. I will see if i have time tonight to give it a try and let you know with a 2 player game like nba
[Shield General] Ilocans:
Yes please let me know.

Thanks
[Shield General] jfp555:
Thank you once again. :o

Just a couple of small follow up questions. What is your opinion on the Raspberry Pi? Is it good enough to have hooked up to a TV for streaming?

Will Tegra devices will give the lowest latency and how much of a loss (in terms of experience) will it be sticking to Qualcomm. Will downgraded GFE give better or worse experience than Tegra? I intend on streaming desktop quite a lot.

A reasonable Tegra device seems to be the Xiaomi Mi Pad. Think the Shield tablet is still pricey and has issues from what I have read around.

What would the guys on this forum recommend, especially if there are any RTS/RPG players here.
[Shield General] death_entry:
Hey wow the new interface is amazing, but I tried this on my smartwatch (MTKCPU Mali 400MP) and it no longer renders the video stream it just black with a load of artifacts, works really well on my LG G2... Any ideas? :P
[Shield General] jfp555:
Hey there Reldan, dude, your video was awesome and very helpful and inspired me to go down this route. Thanks a lot! It addressed many issues that were very important to me. I definitely did not want to be tied down to playing controller only games.

I'm looking for a setup very similar to yours. If you will be doing more testing and uploading more videos, can you please also do latency comparisons between the devices you have lying around? Would be very helpful.

If the lag is the least on Tegra devices, I am seriously considering getting the cheapest possible Tegra 3 device for the lowest I can get it for.

In terms of lag, will the Tegra 3 perform just as well as the Tegra 4?

The features I am interested in are:

- HDMI out

- USB OTG (needed for attaching wired 360 controller)

- Still capable of attaching bluetooth mouse + kb

Am I all set for an optimal experience with minimal lag?
[Shield General] MalaBouM:
Hi ! I play on tf701. Screen 10p in ultra hd, usb full size on keyboard dock, no bluetooth interferences and tegra 4 ! It s a good choice for limelight.

With wifi in 1080/60 i have 3ms of latency and 1ms with usb to ethernet dongle.

Envoyé de mon SM-G900F en utilisant Tapatalk
[Shield General] Reldan:
Glad the video helped out! Game streaming is one of those things that I think has a lot of untapped potential, so I'm really happy to be able to try and share it since it does take a bit of hardware to be able to really enjoy.

A latency video isn't a bad idea. I have a Shield Portable, the Tablet, and a Nexus 5 I could compare. I'll do one for Limelight specifically first, but that'd be a good follow-up I think.

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Regarding the lack of mouse support running on Lollipop on my Shield Tablet, I updated to the beta version and it's still an issue. One odd bit is that generally apps seeking root will pop up SuperSU and I'll grant them permission. I'm not getting that when running Limelight For Root on Lollipop.

Should this be automatic, or is there some command to force it to get root access?
[Shield General] flexxoo:
Go to the supersu app and try to enable it there maybe you have to do it manually!!
[Shield General] cgutman:
I was able to reproduce the non-functional root support in Limelight Root on my Nexus 7 running Lollipop. It looks like it's getting denied access to enumerate the /dev/input directory by a SELinux policy. I had flashed CF-AutoRoot with SuperSU v2.20 (IIRC), but I also flashed SuperSU v2.25 and had the same issue. I tried setting /dev to 0777 for fun (likely would not have solved the problem) and it managed to crash the app completely in the process which was interesting. Lollipop root is really in its infancy with many apps broken. I think we'll just need to wait for SuperSU to get more mature on Lollipop.
[Shield General] death_entry:
I was looking into this just the other day, however as I'm looking to use limelight for VR mobile headset use, only the Mi3 TD smartphone is a viable option, all other tegra devices were never released or not FullHD :(
[Shield General] TheHunterOfShadows:
Any possibility of getting this on the Amazon fire TV stick?
[Shield General] BenG321:
I'm sure we'll have to wait on the Stick to be released first before this can be definitively answered, but its specs look good enough!

Sent from my LG-D850
[Shield General] sysclan:
Suggestion

They could add a touch control to play without joystick.

And accelerometer support to car games .

Work well with a Note10.1 (2012) and D-Link DGL- 5500 ?
[Shield General] kill_dano:
Well it's not just other wifi networks that use the same freq. Bluetooth uses 2.4ghz. If you have a BT controller it can cause many issues.
[Shield General] TheHunterOfShadows:
It's out for some, I have one already. It came yesterday (amazon shipped it early for some reason). I sideloaded this app but it's not quite ready for the stick. Video latency is high, and the only game i got to start streaming so far was fez. If it does work down the road it will be one super cheap streaming stick that's for sure. Even at the full price of $40.
[Shield General] Ilocans:
Hello ,

Did you test it ?

I tried last night with 2 wired gamepads (xbox 360 pd and ps3 pad) and x360ce. I started the game either with the 2 gamepads connected to my android box or 2 gamepads contected to the PC and move them to my android box.

It works well on my computer but when I move the pads to the android box only one of the 2 pads are detected or at best the 2 pad do same (move the same characters).

Does antyone have a workaround to make it work ?

Thanks
[Shield General] MusikMonk:
Even with the official NVIDIA GameStream, you can't use more than one input device.

I think that it's unlikely for this to work with LimeLight before NVIDIA adds support for it.
[Shield General] cgutman:
I've got one coming too (although it's not expected to arrive until early December).

Do you remember what the latency numbers were and what resolution you were streaming at? If not, please retest 720p60 and give me those numbers.

I have a new build for you to try that might make things better. There will be a toast displayed when streaming start. Please tell me exactly what the toast says. It's important that there are no typos or misspellings. I've manually forced SPS bitstream restrictions on for this build, which is what we do on Raspberry Pi with the same VideoCore IV decoder to reduce latency. Hopefully the same trick works on their Android drivers. Please also tell me the latency after your test of this build using the same resolution that you tested before.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nruh55xxjay0odm/limelight-ftvstick.apk?dl=0

Thanks

EDIT: Please also tell me if you're running GFE 2.1.4.
[Shield General] Deen0X:
Hi everybody.

i think this may be here.

i posted a guide for streaming PS3, PS4, X360, XOne to another devices such Android Smartphones, Tablets, Gaming consoles, TV Sticks, etc, but another systems too such IOS, WPhone, even PC Windows and Linux, and potentially other systems based on Google Chrome capable to load addons/plugins.

Check this video:

The guide is in spanish, but i think is easy to understand with a translator (much of the info is technical)

This method is based on Capturer for Audio & Video, and Titan One device, for remote controlling.

With this, you can play remotely, even outside your home

I´m using Limelight as my main streaming tool, but this solution uses Splashtop Gamepad THD and Kainy (currently, Titan One is providing suport for this streaming mechanism)

hope you found interesting and useful.

Of course, there are others solutions (such Z3 emulation on android devices, etc). This is only another kind of solution.

Zalu2!
[Shield General] the_mentor:
What apk should I use on the nexus player? And do I need to sideload it?

I remember a few days ago there was a test build but I don't know if the changes were ever pushed to the beta.

Thanks
[Shield General] cgutman:
Here are a couple of builds:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0d4sb6p8khyu6ql/Limelight-nplayer.apk?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6i2lf47wda4dlac/limelight-nplayer2.apk?dl=0

Please try both builds and report the latency of each at 720p60 (and other res/FPS combos if you want). If you're running GFE 2.1.4, can you also try downgrading to GFE 2.1.3 (instructions in first post) and see if the latency numbers change?

EDIT: I forgot these builds have some debugging info too. Please tell me what each toast says that shows up when you start streaming. You only need to do this for one build. If you've got the game controller for the Player too, make sure it's connected when you start streaming.
[Shield General] the_mentor:
Thanks I'll give it a shot and report back.

EDIT: here are my findings

cgutman,

I ran all the tests using limelight's default settings (since the default seems to be 720p60 as you requested.

Limelight-nplayer.apk :

Toast Messages

Decoder.OMX.Intel.VideoDecoder.AVC

Controller: Virtual

Controller: ASUS Gamepad

WIFI GFE 2.1.4

Average client-side frame latency: 136ms (hardware decoder latency 135ms)

WIFI GFE 2.1.3

Average client-side frame latency: 137ms (hardware decoder latency 137ms)

Ethernet GFE 2.1.3

Average client-side frame latency: 136ms (hardware decoder latency 136ms)

limelight-nplayer2.apk

WIFI GFE 2.1.4

Average client-side frame latency: 138ms (hardware decoder latency 138ms)

WIFI GFE 2.1.3

Average client-side frame latency: 138ms (hardware decoder latency 138ms)

I've also noticed something interesting i keep getting the "searching for PCs" message until i go to the settings screen or the plus icon on the right side when i exit back to the main screen my computer shows up.
[Shield General] cgutman:
Can you try forcing software decoding and playing some games to see if that's more usable?

EDIT: I also fixed the bug you reported. I added it shortly after pushing out beta 3, so only test builds had it.
[Shield General] the_mentor:
I just tested force software decoding and the latency went down to 6ms it working great right now using 720p60 and that is absolutely fantastic!!

Are there any key combinations on the remote to bring the steam overlay and exiting games?
[Shield General] cgutman:
Nice. Can you try 1080p30 and 1080p60 to see if the results are similarly good? Make sure you try scenes with a lot of motion to put a lot of stress on the CPU decoder.

I've got a new build for you to try that makes the back button on your gamepad behave as the start button. You can then use the Start+LB shortcut for Select/Back and Start+RB for Steam Overlay. I'm hoping to improve those shortcuts but the changes probably won't make it for 3.0.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dsutszj9lcuovik/limelight-nplayer3.apk?dl=0

EDIT: Again I forgot about the debug toasts I've added. Same as before, just tell me what they say. I think there's only one in this build.
[Shield General] MalaBouM:
hi cgutman, have you an idea for farcry 4 gamepad problem ?

Envoyé de mon K00C en utilisant Tapatalk
[Shield General] flexxoo:
Latency of 42ms is bad? because the game runs fine but my moga controller have a bad deadzone,can you please help me with this? Could it be the latency?

Thanks in advance!!!!
[Shield General] oscarandjo:
I have a jailbroken iPad 4 and would love to help test Limelight for iOS. I saw on your github it's in beta 8 and was wondering if I could have a built copy to install to my iPad? I understand stability will be an issue but that doesn't bother me, I'd love to test it in its current state.

Since I'm jailbroken, no need to have a certificate or any of that.
[Shield General] sawier:
any ideas how to fix, that when I click on my pc in the limelight app, no pair window pops on my pc, tried it on N7 2012 and galaxy s3 with same result. I have lastest geforce experience installed and its open when im trying to pair it.
[Shield General] cgutman:
Are you using the beta? If not, try that because deadzones are different there. Instructions in first post.
[Shield General] flexxoo:
Yes im using the beta and still the same and now the new beta doesnt have the deadzone setting?
[Shield General] the_mentor:
limelight-nplayer3

Toast: Device: fugu (nexus player)

WIFI GFE 2.1.3 1080p30(force software decoder)

Average client-side frame latency: 9ms

WIFI GFE 2.1.3 1080p60(force software decoder)

The device processing A/V data too slowly try lowering stream resolution or framerate + sometimes Detect high amount of packet loss

Average client-side frame latency: 96ms

Gameplay is very glitchy a lot of skipped frames

Ethernet GFE 2.1.3 1080p60(force software decoder)

The device processing A/V data too slowly try lowering stream resolution or framerate + sometimes Detect high amount of packet loss

Average client-side frame latency: 96ms

Gameplay is very glitchy a lot of skipped frames

The back button seem to act like a ESC/Start button on consoles as far as i can tell but pressing it(back) + any other key on the controller didnt seem to bring the steam overlay, i tried it on multiple games with no sucess.

But just having it as ESC/Select is great!!

My guess is that the software decoder is not fast enough handling 1080p60 is that a correct assumption ?

What is the reason we cant use the hardware decoder?

And again cgutman if i forgot to mention it before you are doing amazing work !!!

Edit: I forgot to say that i think it would be nice to have an option to enable an overlay on the right upper corner that will show the latency as the game is being streamed i think it will help debugging since the current toast only show when you exit the app.
[Shield General] mayinfei32:
help"detected high amounts ofnetwork packet loss"

I have this problem. Play games and prompt the:” detected high amounts ofnetwork packet loss“.

Please help me to answer, what is the problem

I was 5G WIFI. Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact

Thank you very much
[Shield General] KalenXI:
I tried with SuperSU v2.28 and SELinux set to permissive and it still seems to not be able to capture the input on my Nexus Player. I am able to list the /dev/input directory if I do it with root in a terminal emulator.
[Shield General] mayinfei32:
help"detected high amounts ofnetwork packet loss"

Often appear "detected high amounts ofnetwork packet loss", can not play the game.
[Shield General] cgutman:
I've got a new build for you two to test on Nexus Player. It's the non-root version (I'll investigate getting root to work again). I've managed to get hardware video decoder latency down from 135 ms to around 15 ms with help from another tester. Make sure you select the auto decoder option (if you've previously forced software decoding). It should make things WAY more playable. Enjoy

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ax11bdsj3na17q7/limelight-nplayer-lowlatency.apk?dl=0

EDIT: 1080p60 also now works at similarly low latency if your network can handle it.
[Shield General] the_mentor:
I love the latest version it works great for the most part but i think i found an issue with it.

When i play at 1080p60 after a few minutes the game starts getting choppy and i see a lot of messages complaining about dropped packets if i exit limelight and reopen it and continue playing it goes back to normal for another few minutes and then starts again.

Also i'm using my 1GB ethernet so i'm sure its not my network.

If we can find a way to get this last issue resolved i think the nexus player + limelight +steam trio will be absolutly amazing.
[Shield General] bunchies:
Hell yeah android TV stuff in the update :D

Gunna install this update on my nexus player and test it out

Edit: works great! Thanks for your hard work, I mainly bought this thing to run limelight on it and its lookin lagfree over WiFi, gunna get an Ethernet adapter and see how much more I can push it
[Shield General] KalenXI:
Works great. I'm getting about 13ms of latency at 1080p60 and 8ms at 720p60 with the hardware decoder connected to 802.11ac.
[Shield General] miniding:
Hi

I got à Sony xperia T3 And can't stream anything... I alwqys get "failed to stream vidéo"... I managed to pair without trouble, I got my game list ok, my pc lunches ddesired app... But then I got thé vidéo message...

I'm up to date in nvidia gfe And driver using à GTX650Ti wired And did succeeded only once to stream... Now even with uninstalling all And reinstall, can't stream...

Any idea?
[Shield General] nk33:
what resolution have you chosen in the settings? i checked your phone specs on gsmarena and you only get 720p
[Shield General] miniding:
I set 720p 60fps... I don't even do 1080 on my pc...

It only worked once Two days ago but next morning failed....

Thanks to you for trying to help... Do you need further infos?
[Shield General] nk33:
bit more difficult to diagnose now you mention that it used to work.

have you made any changes to the pc or phone since? in particular security? firewall etc? Also are your gfe and limelight the latest versions?
[Shield General] miniding:
I don't since... I'm Gfe 2.1.4.0 driver 344.75 and limelight latest uodate this morning but didn't work yesterday...

My win7 x64 firewall was active When It worked with sims4 test... All nvidia apps are allowed but even with firewall down, I got same message...
[Shield General] nk33:
try deleting your gfe pairings from gfe and limelight, uninstall both gfe and limelight, reboot both devices and reinstall both gfe and limelight, re-pair them and see what happens.
[Shield General] miniding:
I couldn't delete my pc in limelight but managed to do It in gfe...

I uninstalled limelight then reboot my t3 after cleaning caches...

I Now download Gfe from Nvidia server... At 35ko/s!!! They seem to be flood so I wait... I use to download at 1.2Mo/s usually so... A quarter to kill lol...

Will let you know what happens When gfe Will be installed...

Thanks again
[Shield General] the_mentor:
KalenXI,

Do you experience the issue I've described with the latest build on the nexus player?

On 1080p60 after a few minutes of gameplay you start getting toasts about packet loss and you experience a lot of dropped frames?
[Shield General] miniding:
Dammit!! Same happens... Failed to start stream video
[Shield General] nk33:
Ok let me know mate. I reckon it will work. Similar thing happened to me a couple of builds ago
[Shield General] KalenXI:
I experienced that on the previous test build but only with the software renderer, I haven't tried the software renderer on the newest build yet but it doesn't happen on the hardware renderer. Though every once in a while I have experienced that the stream will just freeze for 5-10 seconds while the game continues playing. That's happened both on both 720p60 and 1080p60.
[Shield General] nk33:
Oh man thats wierd. Have you got access to another android device to test with? That way we can eliminate one of them from being the problem.
[Shield General] cgutman:
Can you try the older 2.9 release? Uninstall the current version and install https://github.com/limelight-stream/limelight-android/releases/tag/v2.9.0.1

If that older release works, reinstall the current release from the Play Store and get a logcat log of you trying to start streaming.

Logcat instructions: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2274119

Interesting issue. What version of GFE and drivers are you running? Also what game are you streaming when this happens?