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[Shield General] OOPMan:
Hi, thanks for making this great piece of software.

I have some questions about the streaming latency and stuttering I'm experiencing.

I'm running LimeLight on my XTreamer Prodigy 4k. This device features a MStar 9180 SoC featuring a quad-core Cortex A9 running at 1.5ghz. The GPU is a quad-core Mali-450. The device has 2gb of DDR3 RAM. The device connects to my router over wireless. The router is a TP-Link TD-W8970 are provides a 300mbps wireless network.

The XP4K device is connected to my TV, a 4+ year old Samsung model that only does 720p.

My desktop machine is fairly powerful, a quad-core Core i5 with 16gb of RAM and a GTX 970 4gb. It connects to the router via 1 gbps wired solution.

Game streaming works pretty well but I've noticed the occasional stuttering. When I finish streaming I usually get a latency numbers like 40ms (30ms video decode). Out of interest, I tried upping the video bandwidth to 50mbps (From the default of 10mbps) but this did not seem to make any difference in terms of stuttering.

Should I be experiencing stuttering?

What can I do about it? Should I connected my XP4K to the network via a wired connection?

Also, what are the odds that H265 support will eventually happen for this (If you care to speculate. I realize that a big part of H265 support would be NVidia)
[Shield General] cgutman:
GFE 2.4.1 is working on several of my PCs. Regardless of what NVIDIA says, it still supports PIN-based pairing, even with the Shield itself and the official streaming app. It's more likely that you all are simply encountering some bug in GFE.

On your GFE PC, can you try: https://127.0.0.1:47984/serverinfo and see if you get some XML.

I haven't checked myself but it's possible that they've stopped doing the automatic UPnP port forwarding that they were doing before, now that they can manage the connection from their side via NVIDIA accounts.

It should work again if you manually forward the ports mentioned in the "Streaming over the Internet" section of the first post in this thread.

The stuttering is probably short wireless interruptions causing some packet loss. It happens a lot or a little depending on the router, device, and wireless interference around. If it's possible to connect via wired connection, I'd always recommend that for greatest connection quality and reliability.

I absolutely believe that H265 is coming, and sooner rather than later. There are already traces of it in the latest protocol (clients set an attribute that specifies whether they can decode H265). The H265 support will require a GPU based on Maxwell 2 (960, 970, 980, and Titan X currently).
[Shield General] OOPMan:
Thanks for the prompt response. I will try connecting my device to the router via an ethernet cable and see what the performance is like.

Do you expect H265 will have any positive and/or negative performance implications on either the client or the server for Gamestream?
[Shield General] the absolute tester:
wait wat ?

wait what im too late ? pffff and i want see if is good programm so then i must wait for the next versions ?
[Shield General] Akis.Jeff:
PROBLE SLOVE =w=lll

Thx for the information.

I know what happen here now..., i just change my d-link router into other brand router and in the end its work....

i'm not sure what happening here i think some router have issue connecting the devices and GFE pc?

Soo why not try to change router and try~
[Shield General] Cyberwizard:
Mr gutman I cannot make it work even with manual port fowarding.

PC still not visible... Switching to LAN males pc come back, i'm done playing online then :crying:
[Shield General] Papuang:
Hello,

I was wondering if you could help me with an issue I've been having with Limelight. I would like to use my Wireless Xbox 360 Controller with my HTC One M8. I have an USB OTG which I am using to plug the Xbox 360 Wireless Receiver in to, but even though the light on the receiver comes on when I plug it in, the controller doesn't seem to able to connect. The controller lights spin when I sync, and then flash, but never connect. I have found that some people have said that these lights don't stop but the controller still works. However, mine is not working. I would also like to stream to my phone when I am not on Wi-FI. I didn't really understand your instructions on the original post. I know how to port forward, but how do I access LTE connecting from the phone?

Thanks for your help,

Charlie
[Shield General] the absolute tester:
pls help me

i figured the blank field of limeght pc need ip of my ipad i use my ip normaly and it say connection refused: connect why this ? with my ipad i use my pc ip and it say could not connect to host pls some advice ?
[Shield General] Haints:
But as far as I can tell that plays audio on both my phone and my pc--I just want audio from my pc. And I think if I silence the audio on my phone ... I also lose audio from my pc.

EDIT: Ah, never mind. I'm an idiot. It does work if I silence my phone. Still I wonder ... could I reduce latency if limestream wasn't streaming audio as well as video to my phone?

Thanks for your help, nmarrufo!
[Shield General] Haints:
Should we avoid updating gamestream now because of the changes Nvidia appears to be implementing? I've got a "GeForce Game Ready Driver" update waiting to install but now I'm not sure I should permit it ...

Also, I'm getting pretty smooth frame rates even with my crummy clearwire connection, but every couple of seconds some games will just freeze up for a few seconds on my phone though not on my pc ... anything in particular that can cause this and any tweaks for it?
[Shield General] BrandonG777:
UPnP mapping doesn't seem to map port for port, ie internal port 48000 mapped to external port 50260. I manually mapped ports and was able to remote stream even with the latest GFE.

From someone who deals with streaming tech all day long, awesome work!

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The amount of bandwidth used is variable. Meaning 1 second your stream can be using 1mb/s the next it can shoot up to 5mb/s. I would suggest trying to lower your target bitrate.
[Shield General] cassio amary:
Hi, I´ve been trying Limelight, and tested a couple of games. Team Fortress 2 and CS:GO work fine, at 720p60fps or even 1080p30fps on my Nexus 7 2013. But any other game I try, it produces a constant loud weird noise instead of normal sound, like just static sound and it runs at 10 fps, like exactly locked at 10 fps. Other times the fps is good, but still it just outputs that noise. Then if I disconnect and close Limelight, if I try to play all my games on the PC, they are still messed up with low fps and sound issue. The only solution is then to reboot the computer.

I´m connecting over wi-fi and the signal is pretty good. Tried multiple settings on the app, every resolution option and different bitrates. Still the same thing.

Anyone have an idea what could be causing this? Thanks.

EDIT: Done a bit more testing, and actually I get this issue with all the games on my Steam library except TF2 and CS:GO. Tried Battlefied 4 which uses Origin and it worked flawlessly. No sound issue at all, 30 or 60fps.

Probably should say that my PC is a i5 4670k @ 4.5Ghz with a GTX 760.
[Shield General] GR0S:
Limelight doesn't use my rumblepad 2 properly, only sticks work, buttons are ignored.

What logs you need?
[Shield General] Cyberwizard:
Dear sir, can you elaborate wich ports I have to forward and in wich way to be able to stream again without UPnP please?

I am not very into router config but I know to manually port forward, but I cannot find the right way to do it.

thank you!
[Shield General] BrandonG777:
tcp: 35043, 47991, 47995, 47996, 47989, 47984, 48010

udp: 7, 9, 47999, 47992, 47998, 47989, 48000
[Shield General] Reldan:
I'm looking into doing a new streaming comparison video to see how things stand now. I fired up my Shield Tablet and updated Limelight for Root, Shield Hub, and installed the latest GFE on my PC and everything pretty much works perfectly.

I did notice Nvidia finally added the option to stream 1080p/60 over WiFi - hallelujah. Honestly in terms of performance I'm getting pretty crisp results from both the official software and Limelight with Root. The only major differences I've noted:

1) Limelight works better with the stylus. The mouse pointer accelerates in nearly perfect sync with swipes across the screen. The official Gamestream consistently over or undershoots, which is annoying if you're just trying to use it as a remote desktop. Also, you can simulate a right-click in Limelight with the touchscreen - something I can't seem to find a way to do with Gamestream without hooking up a BT mouse.

2) Gamestream does let you control the mouse with the Shield controller, although it appears Nvidia still forces you to have a ridiculous overlay on your screen any time you have this feature enabled.

Otherwise though, pretty comparable in terms of providing nearly flawless streaming. For the hell of it I used my tablet to gamestream my desktop PC and then streamed a game from it through Steam from my laptop. What is this world we're living in?

My overall take is that at this point there isn't a lot honestly that Limelight does for people who have an official Nvidia Shield product already, but it basically works just as well as the official software without the need for buying Nvidia hardware, which is awesome. The biggest potential issue is that if you want mouse support under Limelight you need root, which probably isn't at all a consideration for folks using these boards but can be daunting for the wider public.
[Shield General] androidyeah:
Hello

I have another problem with limelight in combination with a fire TV using steam.

Everything is working fine, but after playing for like 10 minutes, steam big picture gets visible again and I cant get back into the game which is still running in the background (I can hear smooth sound and while navigating through the big picture I still hear interaction with the game. But its not visible. Anyone?

Thanks!
[Shield General] dingochutney:
Not an ideal solution, but when I get this I use a remote desktop client from my phone (LogMeIn) and Alt-Tab back into the game. YMMV.
[Shield General] androidyeah:
Thanks for your answer. I have a K400 on my FireTv, so I guess I could just alt-tab with that. Atleast it's something.

Thanks!
[Shield General] dingochutney:
If the keyboard is connected to the client running limelight that won't work - you have to do it on the server machine. Or does limelight send those key presses to GFE? I thought function keys were client-side, but haven't tested.
[Shield General] androidyeah:
I just tried it and the connection will be terminated as soon as I hitted alt-tab on the server computer. So that does not work for me...
[Shield General] eliott94260:
i use pc version its awesome i hope access on my desktop on next updates
[Shield General] dingochutney:
I used it this morning. PIN pairing still works. Unless there was a GFE update today?
[Shield General] eliott94260:
nevermind i use bad ip

my apologize
[Shield General] endomorphine:
new gfe

Does new GFE 2.4.1 works okay with limelight 0.5.9? Has anyone tried it?

well, I tried it and limelights fails to connect now... gonna rollback to 2.2.2
[Shield General] Papuang:
I'm fairly sure it does. I tried it recently and it seemed to work.
[Shield General] endomorphine:
well, in my case I'm stuck at getting "connect timeout" errors. I'm going to try 2.2.2, then make some conclusions

thanks for response

UPD, as I promised: I have some cool configuration: my PC at home and PC at work paired through virtual network by using Juniper Pulse, and everything works fine like they would be at one local network. but with this update, idk what exactly was broken, but neither of rebooting, reinstalling after rebooting gfe or updating javas would help. So I tried rollback to 2.2.2 and now limelight works fine. Going to stay at 2.2.2 till official news from limelight-makers.
[Shield General] EL_XDA:
Hello!

I hope that someday you will add the 1440p resolution support. After all, there ARE monitors and smartphones with that resolution, and some of them can even be found in the same room ;). Even if the encoding lag was too high for most uses, I would be interesting to actually try this.

One more thing: I have noticed that while using USB tethering there is less lag, but more "tearing" - looks like frames are "lost in translation".

Over wifi (I only have 2.4 ghz) the lag is bigger, but the content is more smooth. Is this expected?

Overall, great job and Thank You!
[Shield General] zxaero:
I was wondering... In the latest release you can disable mouse capture in the stream:

"Use Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Q to quit the stream. Pressing Ctrl+Alt+Shift toggles mouse capture in the streaming window."

I was wondering if there was an equivalent for toggling keyboard capture?

(I'm using PC OSX version in full screen and the OSX mouse overlays on top of the full screen app, I need some way of alt tabbing out to hide the cursor with some third party software)

Failing this, does anyone know the location of the code in github which has the mouse capture disabling? I would be happy to have a go at adding this feature myself.

Cheers!
[Shield General] sekmet64:
iOS beta

hey devs

Can I join beta testers on iOS? I would love to test the **** out of this awesome project and help out.
[Shield General] OOPMan:
Hey guys

Is it just me or does LimeLight only work if my GFE server is connected to the Internet?

I noticed this recently because I've been having issues with my internet. When the connection to the outside world is down, my Android device can still see the GFE server but can't connect. When the connection to the internet is up everything works fine. Just to be clear, my devices are networked to the same router using cables, so it definitely isn't streaming over the net :)

Could this be because I created and logged in to GFE account in the Shield tab of the GFE application?
[Shield General] eliott94260:
perhaps bad ip or bad port forwarding
[Shield General] jfp555:
Thanks again for the update reldan! Your testing is invaluable for people that are going to be making purchasing decisions. Looking forward to you also comparing performance on windows tablets between steam in home streaming and limelight.

Awesome to see a new version of Limelight for PC as well. And it worked flawlessly for me this time. Thanks a lot devs! I hope that you guys will keep PC version in development too as I bought an android tablet just for gamestreaming and besides the gamestreaming, I hate the tablet.

I would much rather get one of the new windows tablets/mini laptops instead. Limelight is perfection for something like that. That way we can also get steam inhome streaming on the same device as well.
[Shield General] primetime00:
Audio is fine, but no video?

Hello,

I'm having an issue with some applications in limelight, but I suspect the problem is on my streaming desktop.

Using limelight on both android and linux, I can stream supported games like The Witcher 2 just fine. But when I try to select Steam (Big Picture) or an emulator like pcsx2, I get the streamed audio, but no video on the display.

I have the latest GFE 2.4.1.21, latest driver 350.12 and latest limelight releases. I have a GTX-960.

Is this a known issue, or should Big Picture 'just work?' I've tried everything I could think of.

Thanks for the help!

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Obviously I didn't try everything. It turns out that having Aero enabled in Windows 7 causes the problem. Once I turned it off, everything seems to be working fine. :good:
[Shield General] Reldan:
I'd love to give that a shot, but unfortunately I don't actually own a windows tablet.

Is PC Limelight at a point where it would be fair to compare to the Android version? Due to the software decoding the performance used to be pretty awful to the point that it was night and day between the two platforms.
[Shield General] eliott94260:
new limelight version for pc : awesome

brand new version of limelight for PC work like a charm, its pleasant to resume game finally !

its awesome to play gta V on my netbook with no latency :)

thanks to support pc version
[Shield General] Cyberwizard:
Still I lost the way to play over the internet thanks to the nvidia update that killed uPnP, opening ports does not work for me, please help!
[Shield General] Bynar010:
Nexus Player Baffling Experience

I'm at my wits end so I thought I come and ask if anyone else has had an experience like mine -

So been using limelight on my Nexus 9 for a few months, worked pretty much perfectly everytime with a wired 360 pad over wireless AC to my BT homehub 5. Only thing it lacked was any video out to play on the big screen, so on the basis the NP was classed as a "Tier 1" device I got one.

Day 1 - Connected to my Wireless network, hooked up the 360 pad and away we go, works like a charm, Grid 2 - 1080p, 60FPS, 100MB. Brilliant I thought. Fired up Alien Isolation, same again, brilliant experience.

Day 2 - Start limelight, fire up Alien isolation and choke choke "Poor Network Connection". Argh, nothing has changed whats going on. After messing about for ages I find that if I drop the wireless speed on my router to 450mbps and keep the bluetooth controller away from the NP it works OK.

Everything seems rosy for a couple of days....then..

Day 5 - Back come the poor network connection messages, try messing with wireless settings, make sure anything bluetooth is off, drop the quality settings and nothing, it just keeps on moaning about this poor network connection.

Day 6 - Screw it, buy a USB GbE adapater and connect it up, won't work at 100MBPS but 1080p, 60fps, 20MB seems to work like a charm. Phew.

Day 7 - Return of the poor network connection message - NOTHING has changed since yesterday. Drop to 720p, 60fps, 20MB and again it starts working.

Day 8 - Poor network connection, now the only way it will work is 720p, 30fps, 5MB.

I'm at my wits end, I don't know if its my router (which works fine wirelessy with my N9 it should be noted), the NP, my PC or if its something bloody obvious I'm missing.

Anyone had any experience like this?
[Shield General] jpeich:
It sounds to me as a rotuer issue. As far as you have not installed any new kernel... I would check resetting the router, testing. Then resetting PC, testing. Is it a 5 GHz rotuer?
[Shield General] Haints:
Finally going to ditch my Clear internet service ... will probably have to go with comcast xfinity ... what sort of package should I look for to get the best out of Limelight? That's all I really care about.

Advice?
[Shield General] cgutman:
Project Renamed to Moonlight

Due to a trademark claim from Limelight Networks, we've renamed the project to Moonlight. Don't be alarmed when Limelight auto-updates to become Moonlight.
[Shield General] Bynar010:
Yeah it's a 5ghz router and I've lost count of the number of times I've reset everything lol. Last night I had joy at 1080p\60 10mbps. It's just frustrating when I've had it up at 100mbps previously and it was smooth as butter. Guess I'll just have to reset my expectations of my setup and just crack on.
[Shield General] jpeich:
Did you try factory resetting the Tablet? Upgrading to last android versión?
[Shield General] Bynar010:
First thing I did when i was having issues was try a custom rom, then when it made no difference I reflashed the factory image. Apparently 5.1.1 has been released for the Nexus player, will see if it makes any difference when it comes down.
[Shield General] jpeich:
I think gamestreaming is an art : ), and I have also experienced that you should not have any prejudice when tracking down an issue. If any element of the chain (tablet, PC, SW, router) fails, everything fails. I have found versions of roms that give 50 ms and stuttering vs other than give 5 ms and silky smooth. I really encourage you to try another router, if you have interest. Maybe you can borrow an ASUS AC68 or a netgear R7000, just to track down the issue.

Regards
[Shield General] dingochutney:
I actually prefer Moonlight. It sounds more, heh, 'magical'! :)
[Shield General] eliott94260:
moonlight is a cool name anyway :)
[Shield General] jnbb13:
First, want to say many thanks for "moonlight". Is literally the only streaming solution that works well enough for me. Just wanted to ask, I'm currently using it to stream game content to my LG G3 via USB tethering and it works well enough 1080p/60fps at 15mps bit rate. However the USB 2.0 tether speed shows its at 425.9Mpbs but pushing Moonlight to anything over 15mps bit rate just results in a lot of artefacting and stutter and also poor network connection popups in Moonlight. My question is is what would I need exactly to push 1080p/60fps 100mpbs stream to my LG G3. I would have thought USB tethering with a speed of 425.9 Mpbs should have been sufficient but apparently not. Would switching to 5Ghz Wifi give me any better results ? Anyway thanks again!.
[Shield General] ElectricPulze:
GTA V

I dont know if I've missed something in the thread but I cant understand why I cant stream GTA V, but all other games work. :mad:

I'm still on a old version of gamestream due to me owning Snapdragon 801 but it hasn't been an issue for other games...

Great new name!:laugh:
[Shield General] eliott94260:
whats your matter about GTA V?

on the first release i could stream this game after many try ( on first release there is a bug on the rockstar launcher)

but on the actual version everything work for me

however, if you launch the game with his icon on "moonlight" menu your graphics settings will be changed

to pass that you can launch the game from your desktop (add c:/windows/system32/mtsc.exe on game in geforce expérience or something like that) and select gta icon on desktop
[Shield General] ElectricPulze:
I get "Grand Theft Auto V Launcher has stopped working" whatever I try, both adding the game to GameStream Game list and GeForce Experience "Game"-tab (for optimization). Both result in crash.
[Shield General] Aaronneyer:
Are you running on Linux? If you are, try running it with sudo, "sudo java -jar limelight-lin64.jar". There is a problem with the permissions of /dev/input/event*, as irtimmer pointed out. You can also just do a "sudo chmod 644 /dev/input/event*" and then you can run it as root. I'm working on finding a better solution to this.

EDIT: Actually, if it's happening with the android client too, that's probably not the problem, but I'll leave this here for anyone having Linux problems.
[Shield General] rhx123:
Nope, both my machines are Windows 8.1 64 Bit.
[Shield General] Speedy Gonzalez:
[MENTION=2844433]cgutman[/MENTION] this may sound crazy but is there any way to port this to IOS devices? most of the new ipads and iphones are very fast and splashtop already works on these :)
[Shield General] cgutman:
Reporting latency issues

For those of you with issues with Limelight Android or Limelight PC latency issues, I'd like to request some additional information to help find the source of the issues.

1. What kind of latency are you having? Input? Video? Audio? All of them? Is the latency constant (video is always behind) or periodic (video sometimes lags behind)?

1.1 If you're having video latency, what resolution and frame rate are you using? Have you tried different ones? Have you tried the different decoder options?

2. If you're having audio or video latency, is the audio in sync with the video?

3. Describe the connection between your Android/Client PC and the router

4. Describe the connection between your streaming PC and the router

5. If you're streaming to an Android device, what is the model of your device? What SoC is it using?

6. If you're streaming to a PC, what are the specs of that PC? Most importantly, what CPU and network card does it have?