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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mssam:
$400 is a lot of money and I'm sure everyone here understands the value of a buck when they HAVE to get up and go to work every day. But lets face the hard facts of life, when the air conditioning unit in your house reaches a certain age and has to be replaced, you have to replace it. You can't petition the furnace manufacturer for a new furnace. This stuff is gotten out of hand. While people are at it, why don't they petition Microsoft to provide windows 8.1 support for a Pentium based pc? :silly: A lot of people understand the value of a buck, but those same people aren't ignorant to the fact that you can't get something for free. When the time comes, you have to buy a new phone - simple. If times are tough and you can't do, you have to wait. Everyone understands that, but the fact of the matter is no one is entitled to a life time of software support with a cell phone. Yeah apple does it, but there are strings attached with that. Over priced apps and a closed source/lock down phone that teenage girls love...

No, no, no, the galaxy nexus came out it in oct/nov 2011. Go look it up. And technology is not advancing any more now than it was in the 80's. It's called moore's law. Every 18 months chip performance is double, and I love it! And that slow dual core gnex is not disposable, I'll just give it to one of the kids so I don't have to buy them a phone and get that quad core 2.26 GHz Snapdragon processor for myself! :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] duuude23:
I paid for gnex lot of money! It was almost 600$. Phone has crappy battery life, no microsd, crappy camera, screen is bournig out! Now they say that it is to old to update.. Honestly i will never buy nexus again. NEVER! Back to samsungs glaxies! F U GOOGLE! It was a google Fail!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rubikqj:
It's not the case to get enraged about that. I, for one, have just flashed SlimBean ROM Alpha based on Android 4.4 KitKat. It's working really great, althought GPS is very unstable. Can't wait to flash new builds!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ericmas001:
As I said on the other post, I've tried the two 4.4 roms in the Development forum. There is still some graphic glitches, but i'm with "A taste of KitKat" since yesterday, had only 1 random reboot at the beginning, deep sleep is amazing, etc. And it's like 48h since the Nexus5 is on sale ! Imagine in 1 week what we will have ! :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madd0g:
Eh ? Wtf is a ''major update'' ? It received 24 months support.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] josteink:
Eclair to froyo to gingerbread (s1) vs ice cream sandwich to jellybean only (galaxy nexus).

Yes, Jellybean had some minor updates here and there, but so did both froyo and gingerbread.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
Usually Google will release updates later for older hardware. Oh well.

I'm not overly concerned with 4.4. All these small updates don't really add anything critical that I absolutely have to have.

My N7 will get it anyway.

The devs here will figure it out and get a pretty close build.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cor-master:
You do realize Intel still makes Pentiums don't you? Lol my old 2009 Dell inspiron laptop had one. It's slotted between the celeron and i3.

"On 24 April 2012, the Galaxy Nexus was sold sim-unlocked on Google's Play Store for 399.99 then dropped to 349.99 later"

From Wikipedia

I believe though that's 18 months either way though. It doesn't matter. I really dunno how I got caught up in this anyway, I don't even own this phone, I'm just here to watch development for my friends so I can get a kitkat ROM for them!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] samagon:
$400 is a lot of money.

$400 in the mobile world gets you a nexus phone that only gets updated for 18 months.

Understand and accept that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] arshum:
I'm very disappointed at Google too... eager to see more Kitkat port to GNex in the future months.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kaijura:
The problem that will be relevant to custom KitKat 4.4 builds from non-google developers (for now) is the fact that the kernel won't receive any new code or optimisations, it is like buying a new car where the outside (chassis and frame) looks like the new model, but the engine and internals are all the same as the old one. CM has its own custom kernel, but with the recent Exynos team departure I wonder who will support it. That is why official releases can help and are important - we could have reused the factory 4.4 kernel in custom roms without much changes.

The Galaxy Nexus hardware is perfectly capable of running the update (there's no reason why it shouldn't) but without the aid of TI OMAP developers due to their depreciation l, it's sad the Gnex becomes labeled "fragmented" albeit truly being from a Nexus line.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cor-master:
I really don't get the gnex. It's the black sheep of the nexus phone line. It not only has an outdated chipset now, it was mediocre in its own time. Google typically puts the best hardware available for the time in its nexus phones, this is true in every case except the gnex, that had an 18 month old GPU at launch! Hell it's the EXACT same GPU as the nexus S. Should have used the Qualcomm snapdragon S3, would of made the most sense especially with LTE
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kaijura:
I think from the other Nexus releases, the Nexus One and Nexus S were truly depreciated for the original cited reason of the 18 month window period, there was no reason to continue developing by that point since the Galaxy Nexus was available at the end of the Nexus One, and the Nexus 4 was available at the end of the Nexus S. Now the Galaxy Nexus is gone with the release of the Nexus 5, but for a different reason.

Nexus One - Released Jan 2010, GB2.1 at release. Discontinued July/Mid 2010. Binaries/software support continued until GB2.3.7 - late 2011. Sept-Oct if I recall. Then ICS came out and they definitely made a decision to pull the plug on the Nexus One for unnecessary additional support from there on. From 2.1 to 2.3.7, that was around a 22-23 month period of software support, well over the 18-mo EOL.

Nexus S - Released Dec 2010, GB2.3 at release. Discontinued Sept/Late 2011. Software support continued until JB 4.1.2, which was October 2012. This about another 22 month period, again over the 18 month.

The galaxy nexus on the other hand seems to be given the boot because of fragmentation itself with HAL and chipset driver issues, but they claim the reason is due to the 18 month period... Google could have saved itself from all this GN backlash if they gave a PR statement months before, updating the community on its progress of 4.4 upgrades.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cor-master:
Yeah I think the 18 month is more of a guaranteed support thing and a way out for Google if they can't update it. Typically they do support everything more than 18 months. I actually am buying the ti driver issue more now... Didn't really realize the long-term impact that would have a year ago when TI announced it
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] R2DeeTard:
Nothing google could have done would have prevented this backlash, people would have still whined about it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] md1008:
I agree to a point with the old ac however this "ac unit" works perfectly just because its old doesn't mean its trash.

Technology moves so fast and has for a long time. Cell phones are so disposable. Every year Samsung, Apple, nexus, htc all come out with a new model leaving the previous obsolete. Look at how long the ps3, Xbox 360 have been around for almost 10 years. I would love if phones copied this module.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cor-master:
It'll slow down eventually. Like I said the real world difference between the nexus 4 and 5 is minor compared to the actual difference on paper. It's getting to the point where hardware is starting to become irrelevant. Phones have been like PCs in the 90s, it was literally that bad with PCs then. Nowadays well put it this way my PC is 2 years old and still relatively up to date, grab a new video card and it's modern again.

Part of the problem with phones is carriers. They have a business model that depends on phone sales and subsidizing instead of being dependent on services like they should be. Otherwise most world probably buy a phone and stick with it for a while, but they got America brain washed into thinking their hardware isn't enough and those of us who don't want to buy a phone every 2 years get screwed
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jonny:
Thread closed as its turned into a troll fest.

Remember Google is a business with commercial interests after all so I'm not in the least surprised they decided not to release KitKat for Gnexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Roymam:
This is the Google Q&A about the Galaxy Nexus 4.4 lack of support:

https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/3468085#

I marked this article as not helpful with the following comment:

I suggest you to do the same, maybe if they'll get tons of complains they will understand what a mistake they did.

TheRinseM - thanks for your work, I'm sure there will be plenty of roms - but that's a principle - if I wanted to relay on xda roms I wouldn't buy a nexus phone, I could buy an HTC or a Galaxy phone. the whole point of nexus phone is to get official updates at least as iOS users get.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fux0r99:
I never buy a nexus again, lesser hardware than other high end android phones an for a measly 18 months of updates before we are kicked to the kerb.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] andQlimax:
try to understand: "kitkat works with 512 mb ram" DIFFERENT than "every old device will get kitkat"

"kitkat works with 512 mb ram" mean samsung/htc/lg can make NEW smartphone very very cheap under 100$ with low spec that will run android 4.4..that's it! with 1/2 gb of ram very cheap smartphone was near impossible to realize
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] inorde:
No offense, but both of those issues don't seem to be worth fixing. One is a minor glitch, the other has a simple, one time, workaround, and isn't even an issue if you wiped your phone.

I'm frustrated too but expecting Google to fix everything you see as an issue isn't rational.

I hope the community will come up with some good and stable Roms!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Bubble-be:
I don't understand what you guys are whining about...who cares about stock ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fux0r99:
What makes you think these new cheaper phones will get kitkat when they don't even care about supporting the older nexus devices that have similar specs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bittermormon:
Support from Google is nice but the main reason I bought a GNex was because it was significantly cheaper than any other phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] big gulps huh?:
ya know, it could be because the chip manufacturer has stopped supporting it...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] andQlimax:
these new cheaper phone will come out with kitkat preinstalled in a near future..these cheaper phone will get a piece of market that android never managed to get in some poor countries probably
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Roymam:
You right, but as a proof of concept I expect google to update galaxy nexus and even nexus s. this lack of update is like saying - "look, it's hard to make android work on Galaxy Nexus with 1024mb of memory and dual core processor so we decided not to do it, but hey, other manufacturers can do this..."
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] andQlimax:
no..it only mean "why we have update a 2 years old phone? i just don't want"...not means that it hard, and others manufactures will do that aswell, they will not update old smartphone!

it can run on a lower device different from it must run on a older device...lower spec device and older device are 2 different things
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fux0r99:
There's new android phones being released still that don't even get 4.3 that have better specs an hardware than gnex.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] electro`:
BUT they wouldn't do that. They would probably end up giving them 4.0 still. Due to the fact that 4.4 is the latest version and when its the latest version they expect more $$
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Roymam:
Do you really think that this is a reasonable request to buy a new phone every 18 months in order to be updated? Would you accept if Windows 8.1 won't run on 2 years old computers ? Actually it runs even on 6 years old computers...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wchrisyu:
Look, built in Fitbit!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] madd0g:
There will be plenty custom roms for GN.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] andQlimax:
tell me a manufacturer that update a phone for more than 2 years then (except apple that produce only 1 phone and everytime its the same phone)..gnext is exactly 2 years old, not 18 months.

change a phone every 2 years, especially buying a nexus from the play device, is feasible I think.if you don't want, just survive without updates..you talked about windows, but windows is not free (except for the 8.0 to 8.1 exception)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] johrie:
Windows if dealing with an other business architecture than android is. It is not logical to compare those 2.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TheCraig:
Although I've never owned a Galaxy Nexus this is a little ironic that Google is trying to make Kit Kat available to budget devices and it won't even update its own Galaxy Nexus to Android 4.4 when it has 2x the required RAM.

The GNexus should get the update.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Antiq:
some "clean & pure" port for Galaxy Nexus will be nice :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Roymam:
1. Both Apple and Google makes one phone each year. I accept Google to do the same as Apple.

2. The gnex is 2 years old but sold officially by google until nexus 4 was out. Some people even bought it one year ago and now its obsolete.

3. This summer many people bought nexus 4 after the 199$ price drop, is it really reasonable to accept that they won't get the next version next year?

4. If a 16 years old kid can make Android 4.4 run on gnex within a week or two, why won't google do this?

Anyways, I'm sure those great devs here will make 4.4 rock on gnex within few weeks and all of this conversation will be history...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Warren_Orange:
Galaxy nexus got plenty of updates 4.0>4.1>4.2>4.3. That is good going for a smart phone. Most $500 phones would be lucky to get one major update.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MaelstromXC:
Unfortunately, I paid the full retail price of $699+tax ($790 total) for my Galaxy Nexus.

Was hoping to get a few more updates...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tribes11:
Google is ridiculous, I'm never going to buy another phone from Google "Nexus" brand ever again, the next time I will just go with Samsung Galaxy S4 or something better from Samsung and not this "pure android" experience (at least then I will get a phone with upgradeable storage and better specs, alongside with great camera and cool features)...

This is outrageous, bought this phone just because of the advertised "Official Android Updates support" and apart from the phone getting very sluggish with Android 4.2 and a just slightly better with 4.3 (but not even close to what it was in terms of performance with 4.1) now they make this ridiculous decision... And don't even start saying Galaxy Nexus is old and blablabla, damn guys it's a dual core and have 1GB of ram, it's not so bad comparing to what we have on market now, it's not the optimized specs but I'm sure it could run KitKat better than the Android 4.2 that they screwed up big time on Galaxy Nexus...

So now I will have to swallow this disrespect with customers by not getting KitKat update, and btw, the phone have more than needed RAM to run this KitKat version according to previous Google statements...

Thanks Google, you just lost a customer for your Nexus devices.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sirtao:
I'm more disappointed than anything else.

Mostly because with all the "optimized for +512MB RAM" talk, I really though they would support the Galaxy Nexus, as well.

Really, this has just been bad advertising, had they stated GNex wouldn't have got Kitkat from the start, most wouldn't have problems with it.

Oh, well. Now we know they will not support their devices beyond 18 months, and will plan our next buy with more knowledge.

Also, I'll have to try some 4.4 roms... but my 4.3 stock is SO good right now...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] inderrana:
Sign and Share!

Please sign and share, hopefully Google will change there mind.

goo.gl/Byc1Me
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mrgnex:
I understand your anger and sadness but an S4 is worse with updates. I mean the s3 had just got 4.2.2 while it's a long time ago that was released.. We already got 4.3. A Galaxy Note only got 4.1.2 so 2.3.6 -> 4.0.4 -> 4.1.2 only 3 updates (if i'm correct). Samsung is always many months later with updates.. I think Samsung costumers have it worse than we do.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] inderrana:
Please Sign and Share!

Please sign and share, hopefully Google will change there mind.

goo.gl/Byc1Me
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leo_ace:
Why do you cry about that?

Its a nexus device so we will get updates from cyanogenmod aokp and so on.

Its a too popular developer device for not getting 4.4 so dont cry. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vlngu118:
I just received an email from Google saying they're proud to announce kitkat is ready. Then I see that kitkat won't come to the galaxy nexus. Haha thanks for the irony Google.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fayosi:
This is the real reason.

I find it decent enough to accept it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tribes11:
The point is that other than the day-one updates Nexus brand doesn't have anything special, and is even worse specification-wise than most of the phones out there in the market, I live in Brazil, and over here the price of a Moto X or a Nexus 4/5 are around the same of a Galaxy S4 (Moto X costs R$1499,00 and Galaxy S4 R$1599,00), so there's no point in buying a Nexus phone that can't have its storage expanded, the camera isn't good enough, can't change battery anymore and doesn't have cool features like a S4 for example, and even then, even with all the bloatware Samsung ships with their S2, S3 or S4 phones, it's still very fast and better than my Galaxy Nexus with 4.3 or even 4.1 that was the better experience I've had with GNex in all it's life cycle...

So as far as buyer intention goes, I don't plan to buy Nexus phones anymore since they work exactly the same way as Samsung, HTC, LG and other brands with their politics to not support 18 months old phones...

So if this is going to happen even with Nexus phones, I will get a phone that, when this lack of updates occurs, at least I will not be crying that I can't expand my storage and I'll have at least a decent spec phone to use with Custom ROMs for a long time without feeling so much performance loss (of course after 3 or 4 years it's going to be inevitable)...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] johrie:
Yes it is not developing chipsets any more... Still making drivers
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Loureiro:
Drama, Drama everywhere.

We got a nexus device to run Custom ROM's, not to stick with stock. We have AOKP official Support, CM official Support, PA Official support and many great devs interested to get this thing going.

Chill, kitkat is being pushed to AOSP Project. I'm sure many devs will try to build it with 3.0.x kernel and 4.3 blobs, just a matter of days.

Now stop all that hate and drama.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mach3.2:
I don't understand this drama, isn't it generally understood in xda like 6-12 months back that Google only support a device for 18 months?

Beamed from my Maguro
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
It still doesn't excuse Google from supporting Nexus devices for 18 months when iPhone and Windows Phone handsets get a minimum of 36 months of support.

All this does is reduce the value of the product line.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Rashy:
Definitely don't like it, but custom ROMs will be out anyway. I'd probably go with an AOSP build of 4.4 for the stock experience as soon as it becomes available (think the source/API should be out soon, if not already).

Also, to note. Android 4.4 isn't really all that much as an update. Most of the functionality of 4.4 (except where specific hardware is needed) will be available to all older devices through Google Play Services or the Google Experience, since Google decoupled a bunch of features from the Android OS/Kernel.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nexusaurus:
You gotta be kidding me. Is because people thinking like you that companies treat us like ****. Programmed obsolescence is something to worry about in this economic recession.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Judge584:
http://www.change.org/petitions/goo...pt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

Envoyé depuis mon Nexus 7 avec Tapatalk 4
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jaask83:
I totally agree. I shouldn't be forced to change my phone because of lack of support from Google. mods are good, but not for everyone.

Inviato dal mio Nexus S utilizzando Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] itasoulas:
it's not called Drama...it's called..."I AM PISSED OFF AT GOOGLE".

1. Cause they stated they want to "make Android amazing for everybody"

Yeah, right! Except from GNex users who happens to be a very large part of Nexus Devices Group of Users

2. Make Android 4.4 KitKat available for "low-ram" devices

Exactly which devices are that? Google hasn't release such a device lately and to also comply with the 18month update policy. So for which devices/brands are they referring to?

GNex is a 2 years old device but still a popular phone and also forum here on XDA's. Is still being sold in various sites worldwide, still with a wide range of accessories support and capable hardware to support 4.4 KitKat. Galaxy Nexus is the reason Nexus devices got so popular...and many others. They should respect this device more!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Spremuta:
it is crazy not supporting a good device like the galaxy nexus, a good device even today.

kitkat min memory spec for which devices is designed for? next gen calculators? :mad:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] digitallure:
Booooo
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Saythis:
Blame Texas Instruments for not keeping up with the OMAP Chipset drivers for the GNex.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AndyYan:
I guess still too many men merely looked at KitKat's RAM requirements (512MB)... A supported kernel is of much higher priority. Texas Instrument's quitting the mobile SoC industry is something Google and Samsung didn't expect when GNex first launched. Therefore, a huge portion of blame should be on TI instead of Google.

However, I'm starting to doubt whether KitKat would work with 3.0.y or even 3.4.y kernels. I'll just stand by and see what's gonna happen in the custom ROM world.

Sent from Samsung Galaxy Nexus @ CM10.2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] R2DeeTard:
Why keep old tech relevant when the whole point of technology is to move forward?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nexusaurus:
Old tech? Dude, you must be some kind of blind sheep if you think GNex has "old tech".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Saythis:
OMAP is pretty old :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ionnn:
Of all the things I've seen today, Androidpolice's "2012/09/26/texas-instruments-is-throwing-in-the-towel-on-mobile-processors-for-smartphones-and-tablets" seems like the most reasonable answer but still not a very good one
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Omar1c:
I got my hands on the factory image and I turned it into a system dump. I got the Google home launcher but when I launch it I get this error

I got the hangouts apk but for the launcher I might need to dig in
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _Drifter_:
Using Custom ROM is not the same as AOSP, less stability (more bugs) and less speed (lag because + more features - RAM and overall speed, PA is a good example).

And, using a 4.3 kernel in a 4.4 that need a specific kernel, and using 4.4 whith old drivers... is not going to be a good experience, at least a experience like stock AOSP.