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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meballard:
While on principle I agree with you, I also enjoy Verizon's coverage and for the most part their network, and if I leave, I would likely end up losing the unlimited data that I have currently.

If they ever decided that I could no longer have unlimited data, I would drop them in a heartbeat.

For that reason, I would rather say F them on their device controls, and run devices/OS versions that aren't officially allowed (right now I run Cyanogenmod on a S3).
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vtwinbmx:
After decompiling settings and looking in values. I should be able to force the needed changes to get the values to stay

There is no apns-conf.xml file in ECT could try to add the file and see if that works also
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot15638:
I have also read this, that the G2 radios are not the same, but oddly enough the samsung radio's are....
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vtwinbmx:
There is more to it then the radio.

I compared the settings.apk to the G2 settings.apk. there are many xml lines missing that need to be added back in to edit the apn values to see verizon network.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ardiross:
Do you know where to find the Note 3 radio? I will try flashing it tonight.

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I wonder, if just changing the settings.apk without changing the radio will make it work?!?! You should probably compare the settings from a Samsung radio instead of the G2 radio. Everyone is saying it's a better match. I wonder if they are just disabling the radio by not making the settings available. Are you going to try and get the correct settings in the apk file and post it?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vtwinbmx:
I made a zip with all the edits needed, It is being test flashed now. I will post back what happened. It may need to be played with changing radios and what not but it should be a good starting point
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wiredout46:
in for results.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] codemastermm:
Curious to see the results of this :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vtwinbmx:
Still a no go. Have some old friends looking into a few things also. We all have Verizon unlimited and will keep working on making this work around to get phone on Verizon network
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dewhashish:
If this works I'll sell whatever I can to buy a Nexus 5 to use on Verizon!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boogila2:
Any progress updates?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] butterflysmasher:
I can not seem to find the note 3 (verizon/anyone else) radio/modem files. I'd be willing to flash it to see if it has any effect in enabling the bands needed.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ardiross:
This should be the stock image. You should be able to pull the modem firmware for there.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2481623
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] butterflysmasher:
Thanks. Flashed the modem.bin, but ended up like the g2 where it wouldn't even notice the sim card/find any network. Interestingly under *#*#4636#*#* it was set to cdma prefered by default, though changing to other modes/rebooting searching again was fruitless.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unremarked:
I highly doubt you will ever get the Nexus 5 to run on VZW. At least, on anything besides LTE--of which, only data connects to which is why a Nexus 7 LTE works (with an already activated SIM card).

Voice is still handled over the CDMA network(and this is how LTE phones, minus the iPhone 5 series, is able to do "talk and surf" at the same time--data over LTE, voice over CDMA whereas strictly CDMA didn't allow this), which requires more authentication and checks against a master database of ESN's allowed to connect to the (CDMA) network. Note: An ESN and an IMEI are not the same thing--an IMEI contains an extra digit, for example.

Also I'm going to point the damage in flashing other devices modems/ROMs/basebands/stuff to your own. Yes, a Nexus is very hard to brick thanks to the stock images made available to us by Google, but very hard does not equate to impossible.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tanman21:
I am curious if anyone saying it won't work on voice has ever tried a non verizon lte phone with a verizon sim?

I have put a verizon sim in a US cellular galaxy s4, moto x and electrify m. They all worked fine for voice and 3G data.

I'm pretty sure google or verizon is blocking the registration with software.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unremarked:
The Nexus 7 works because its LTE only, no CDMA radio. Existing SIMs would work, but new activations couldn't happen because the system wouldn't accept the IMEI as an ESN. Now if a VZW rep were to use a dummy ESN, it would fire right up. Unfortunately using a dummy ESN(or really at all) like that is against policy and tracked on the daily. Now fortunately on LTE devices, multiple accounts/lines can use the same ESN(as long as its in the master database) since the actual subscriber info is tied to the SIM so a really clever rep could grab the ESN off another device to use for the activation. on 3G/CDMA only devices, ESNs can only be active on one line at a time.

Regardless, if someone lived in AWS Band 4 LTE area, and had an active SIM card... They would receive LTE service only. Which means they'd get data, but not voice calling until VZW implements VoLTE. Voice calls still go out over the CDMA network and its access is authenticated through CDMA network, which the Nexus 5 won't be able to access any time soon.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshnichols189:
Holy **** there is so much bad information in this thread. Ten pages back someone is talking about using ODIN to get back to stock, is that a joke? ODIN is Samsung only for one, and flashing a radio for a different phone is probably the dumbest thing you can do next to flashing a bootloader for another device. Does anyone at all remember flashing Verizon phones to work on Sprint and vice-versa? To get CDMA to work from Sprint to Verizon is such a huge pain in the ass. Everyone just assumes that since Verizon has SIM cards boe for LTE activation you can just pop in a SIM card and be fine, without even looking at other situations in which people have tried to put Sprint phones on Verizon CDMA.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unremarked:
I was cringing when I read some of those ideas/posts. those poor phones. :(

I have faith that this community can do amazing things, but getting a Nexus 5 running on VZW will be very difficult if not impossible. I'm not speculating, or making assumptions. I'm a former VZW employee.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] satadru:
At the minimum we should figure out how to get LTE data enabled w/o CDMA. Is the radio involved in trying to auth over CDMA when we try to connect to LTE? Can we disable the CDMA auth on the software side if we drop voice functionality?

The N7 doesn't do voice or CDMA. If there a build flag to disable CDMA & voice support, or is that tablet mode? Can we just flip the device to tablet mode? How does the N7 avoid CDMA?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jack584:
The Nexus 7 doesn't support CDMA. Period. It's GSM/LTE ONLY.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] satadru:
I think that helps us then. Shouldn't we then be able to tell Android to just try to connect using only data/LTE, just like the Nexus 7?

I suspect that half of this struggle is Android trying to figure out how to do voice when connecting to Verizon LTE. It can't configure voice over the GSM or the CDMA bands, so it gives up.

The GSM carriers don't use voice over LTE either, right?

From a UX perspective, you wouldn't expect a phone device to allow a user to connect to a network but not make phone calls, right?

Perhaps comparing tablet and phone network setups might tell us what to change to make data work by not trying to get voice to work?

You can always use VoIP until VoLTE support comes out.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] equake:
Its all about provisioning from the carrier. The new Ipads (Air and rMini) have a single sku for the 4G version. Think about it. A single version can be used on any of the 4 major carriers and supports 3G meaning it has a CDMA radio unlike the Nexus 7 LTE.

It can be done. They use the Qcomm 9615m baseband and RF FE to support all bands for the 4 carriers.

the S800 is the next gen of the same baseband.

My 2 cents.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trebills:
I just tried my Verizon LTE Sim card and it is a no go for sure. No signal what so ever
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] taikyosan:
I'm not OP, but...

Wow, this thread has come a long way. I hope everyone's positive efforts finds positive results. I have since switched to T-Mobile, for two lines. I am saving approx. $672 USD a year. I have not had a no service situation at all during my travels yet. In any case. More or less it seems the dev community will have to create the work around to get this device to work on all carriers. Just have to wait an see. And who knows, that verizon announcement for mid november might be VZW N5, which even if it was, its not worth switching back to VZW. On the other hand, it will be the solution a lot of individuals are looking for, those who need VZW huge coverage area. I hope those who put their $350+ on the line for these test were able to get their phone back to stock, and i would like to thank them as well.

Thank you,

Note, maybe this thread should be moved to the development sub thread for Nexus 5.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _untitled_:
There's a mid-november announcement? Link please! :D
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] expertzero1:
There's no announcement lol..

They said 2014 for any phones involving some sort of a nexus device.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _untitled_:
I know it's probably not for a Nexus 5 or anything related, I just wanted a link to an article...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tenhotshot:
Changing APN Settings

So is there any way to set the APN's to verizon's? Would a custom ROM or some other method be effective?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ApriliaM3:
Guys I've had a cleanup here in regard to the changing of a phone's IMEI

We don't allow discussions related to changing of IMEI, how to do it, tools to use etc.

It's legally, a very grey area and there's a fine line between what's allowed and what's not.

I've left the thread open for now, as long as there are no further discussions related to this matter.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheAtheistOtaku:
I don't get why people keep insisting that there's magic pixie dust that will make the nexus 5 work on Verizon. I believe even if you could activate it, you would only be able to get spotty 3g at best, due to the n5 not supporting Verizon wireless frequencies. Though I could be wrong about that.

Sorry to say guys but you have been screwed by Verizon. Don't like it? Then vote with your wallet and find another carrier. I'm sure that there is at least one other alternative where everyone lives.

sent from the toilet

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Setting the apn isn't the problem. Anyone that googles for 2 seconds can change a apn.

sent from the toilet
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tenhotshot:
If you had taken a little time to read this thread, you would know that the Nexus 5 literally won't allow you to change the APN to verizon's settings. But thank you so much for your extremely helpful insight into this issue.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bright09:
hope there be a away to get it to work on version someday.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshnichols189:
His post was 100x more insightful than posts regarding flashing a radio for a different device in hopes that it will magically allow a non supported device to support a carrier.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hotleadsingerguy:
They didn't say anything involving "nexus" at all.

Google and Motorola said they're looking at bringing out some devices to Verizon in 2014. It had nothing to do with the Nexus title.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meballard:
How do you figure that? You don't know for a fact how exactly they restricted access to Verizon's network, and being that the hardware seems to be similar if not identical to other devices from the radio perspective, it's entirely possible that a radio for a different device, that uses the same radio, could potentially make a difference, if it was simply a radio software difference that determines what bands it can access.

It seems to be more than that, but that wasn't known until it was tried.

Stating something that was already discussed previously in the thread while purely being a naysayer with nothing helpful to add is much more useless.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zedri:
Interestingly, a Google search for 'changing -x- legality' gives XDA as the first link:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1852166

Three pages where no one could find a law to cite.

Finding how to change it on Google= super easy

Finding what the law is with Google= not so easy

This is definitely a bag->cat or barn.door->horse issue. A strange side of the fence for a hacker website to be on.

Anyways, I'm off to go connect a VCR to another VCR and wait for the cops to show up. ;)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshnichols189:
Considering how flashing a bad radio for your own device will brick it, exactly how does flashing the radio for a different device sound any better?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vincent Law:
Frankly, it doesn't even matter if it's illegal or not.

A. The mods already said it's not to be discussed, so that's all that matters as far as XDA is concerned.

B. Even if it wasn't ILLEGAL, it would be against Verizon's TOS and they would ban you from their network. They could easily detect this (when a conflict occurs for example). Causing interference with carrier equipment is grounds for instant, no questions asked, banning from the network.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meballard:
Could potentially brick it, but won't necessarily cause any problems that a full restore won't fix, which does seem to be the case here.

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Agreed, and discussion of the topic in this thread won't really make a difference, although that's separate of whether it should be discussed elsewhere.

True, mind you the odds of them detecting it if you use another device that is no longer in use or ever turned on...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unremarked:
I'm a former VZW employee. I'm not an engineer, but I familiar with how phones gain access to the network. It's not as simple as enabling the bands and loading up the APNs. This may get you access to the LTE network, but definitely not the CDMA one. For that, your phone's ESN is checked against a master database and if it's not found on that database, then it's denied access. Pure and simple.

On 3G phones, yes, easily detected. If I punched in an ESN that was already active on another account, it would come back with an error warning that this phone was active on another line(and technically I could still push the activation forward, but that would cause alot of issues for both customers) due to the ESN identifying the subscriber. On 4G phones, not so much. Because the subscriber information is contained in the SIM card, the same ESN can be used on multiple lines. However, it still has to be a valid ESN or it won't accept it for activation. See the current Nexus 7 LTE situation: existing, already activated SIM cards(because those SIMs were activated with a valid ESN) will work on it. But if I try to activate a brand new SIM card and punch in the Nexus 7 LTE's ESN, it comes back as invalid and cannot be activated.

Keep in mind that, while remote, flashing a bad radio or the wrong radio for the device could potentially cause hardware failure in which a full restore wouldn't help.

I'm sorry to be a naysayer and not having the "hacker's spirit." But short of hacking VZW's database/network, I highly doubt that the Nexus 5 will ever run on anything other than LTE.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tenhotshot:
Hah yeah I know. I just don't like it when people come in to a thread and say that something is impossible. Nobody wants to hear that. Did anyone expect the Nexus 4 to have a hidden LTE capability? No, but people figured it out. This seems even less complicated than that considering that the radio used in the Nexus 5 does in fact support verizon bands.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshnichols189:
You have got to be kidding. Literally everyone knew that the radio hardware in the Nexus 4 supported LTE. It was the same exact hardware as the Optimus G which supported LTE.

The Nexus 5 might have support for Verizon LTE, but again, have fun getting onto the CDMA network that it appears everyone here thinks they can just plug in an APN and be on.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tenhotshot:
And literally everyone knows that the Nexus 5 has very similar hardware to the LG G2, and it shares a radio with the Galaxy Note 3, both of which support Verizon. We also know that the radio is certified to run on CDMA bands 0 and 1. I understand the limitations considering CDMA, and getting the phone registered in Verizon's database. I'm just wondering if there is a way to change the APN's to verizon's, considering stock on the Nexus 5 does not allow us. That isn't illegal.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshnichols189:
It isn't as simple as an APN change is the problem though.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unremarked:
Getting the radio to find and the correct APNS to connect to will only, in all likelihood, give you access to the LTE network and thus be able to access the internet at large. You won't, however, have the ability to make or receive phone calls/text messages until VZW starts implementing VoLTE. So you'd basically turn your Nexus 5 into a tiny tablet for the time being.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lomallin:
If the phone could be activated on the network like a tablet, it would allow for some VOIP setups with Google Voice and such to act as a phone. Yes, there could be a problem receiving calls from your original number, but I have my voicemails going to GVoice anyways, so I would see it pop up and give a call back if needed.

Getting it onto the Verizon netowrk is the hard part. Once that is done, it opens the possibility for those that want to try out innovative solutions for the phone call portion. I appreciate everyone's work on this, I am not fiscally able to participate, but if this does work, I love unlocked bootloader phones for the ROMs - loved my OG Droid, wept over my Rezound, and sweat over my HP Touchpad (just because the drivers do not always match up :p).
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tenhotshot:
I would be completely ok with that. Better than it not working at all. Right now it literally won't let me set the APN to verizon's.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vtwinbmx:
http://www.networkworld.com/communi...-work-verizon-wireless-and-all-other-networks

Now we need to see what to turn on to get band 13 to work
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ardiross:
So now that someone "Official" has said that hardware will work, maybe the disbelievers will change their mind and start helping us get the radio to work on VZW.

For anyone who says that even if it does work, that VZW won't let it work on their network, there are ways to get it to work. Your can make a modification to the device (The first rule of fight club is we don't talk about fight club.) Or I have even in the past got VZW to add a Sprint branded Touch Diamond to the network even before VZW carried the Diamond.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Johmama:
I'm going to quote a post I made a few pages back because I feel like it needs to be said again.

If you're coming in here just to say it won't work, and then leave, well, leave. This is XDA. Let the people who want to experiment with this experiment. If nothing else, this can be a learning experience. There are multiple hurdles that we will have to jump over to get this working. Pointing out one of them, then telling everyone to stop trying isn't helpful. Let's take care of all of the hurdles we can, then figure out exactly why we can't jump over that last one. Or better yet, a workaround.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] satadru:
This doesn't say anything about the band amplifiers on the G2 or the N5, right? Doesn't the device need amplifiers for each frequency used? Or is that need eliminated by the newer transceiver chips?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] koldlaser:
If we can get just LTE to work that would be so SWEET. I played around a nexus 4 from a friend and like it so much that bought one from eBay the next day even though I'm on Verizon. I also bought their mifi hotspot and put the (unlimited data) sim from my gnex to it and walk around with the mifi and n4 and can make & receive calls from grooveip with no problem.

If someone can get LTE to work that will be one less device I have to carry around.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshnichols189:
Did you even read the article?

Cool, so this is the component in the N5.

If anyone else knows what "infer" means, it doesn't mean this hardware 100% for sure exists in the G2.

OK, so the G2 works in all of these countries with the same model of SoC.

Why then, if the G2 can work in all of those countries do we have this:

If the G2 can work in all of the countries listed above with one model, why does the N5 have two models? Clearly the WTR1625L hardware component does not exist in both of these devices, and since it does exist in the N5, there is something else in the G2. Since there is something else in the G2 which works on all of those carriers at once, but the N5 needs two models to support all of those countries, we can "infer" that the hardware component in the G2 is not the same as the one in the N5.

I mean it's not like the article linked to says all of this in it or anything, and you know, logic.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hotleadsingerguy:
This.

The writer of the article (which is not an "official source", btw) lists what the radio version is that's in the international N5, but has no idea if it's the same radio as the one in the LG G2, nor does it say *anything* about the American domestic version of the N5 (which, according to Google itself, works on different frequencies).

In fact, multiple review sites have said that the one difference they've noted, so far, is that the international version doesn't work on Sprint. That means the article you're looking at has virtually no connection to whether or not the domestic version would work on Verizon.

I don't think we're trying to dissuade anyone from trying to get this working...the problem is that the potential exists for new people coming into this thread to think that the N5 is close to working on Verizon, which couldn't be further from the truth. Those people could be blowing $350-$400 thinking they'll be running the phone on Verizon shortly. Saying we shouldn't give people false hope is not the same as telling you to stop it.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luckylui:
Doesn't VZW use the "PRL" for Data? I know when I was with Sprint using a HTC Evo I flashed many VZW PRL for better data coverage/connection.. Is that still the case on this phone?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshnichols189:
Seriously. I have a Verizon line and would love to have a Nexus 5 for it as well, but we have to be honest with ourselves about how hard something like this will be to do, if the phone even supports it at all which we have no evidence of. I love development, but some of the ideas in this thread are just insane and a fast track to a brick. Can you imagine some noob coming in here and flashing a G2 radio because he thinks it'll work? That kid is now out $400.