yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Shield General] jarjarfinks:
So, maybe I'm asking for a lot, but is there some sort of documentation about the differences in these parameters as opposed to regular H.264 (say x264 for example)? It appears there is a lot of NVIDIA specific parameters that are plopped on top of the normal codec arguments. Just curious
[Shield General] death_entry:
Perhaps someone can bluefooth transfer off the apk from molly to another Android lol
[Shield General] DeadlySin9:
I've been using this fine on GFE 2.1, but for some reason yesterday I started getting this error:

GFE error: Streaming session has failed due to a game management error (Error code: 522)

I'm already paired and tried repairing, tried rescanning games in GFE. I searched and the only other person with this error had it while pairing and the solution didn't work for me. Any ideas? I'm going to try downgrading GFE but I'd like not to if I don't have to.

I'm using GFE 2.1, got an ASUS GTX 660 TI, phone is Samsung Galaxy S4 running 4.4.3 Google Edition.

EDIT: Nevermind, fixed the issue. For some reason GameStream set itself to do not stream and wouldn't let me change in until I restarted the service, which is weird because a normal reboot didn't fix it the first time.
[Shield General] death_entry:
Hey wow, that totally worked for me too, havent been able to stream for days, obviously ive rebooted loads but only until I manually restarted the services would the streaming appear in GFE again, very odd lol

I wonder if you loaded steam into a ram drive if it would be any faster... anyway I can connect again but still having quite a bit of slow down, its not undecipherable like the native steam streaming :)
[Shield General] s0ckz:
The raw mouse input read...
[Shield General] tallnerd1985:
Would root be needed for the FireTV for raw mouse input or there API for that?
[Shield General] s0ckz:
Not sure... All I know is that android itself doesn't have such API
[Shield General] Raptor5150:
Using a Nexus 5 4.4.4 and GFE 2.1 getting an RSTP Handshake error??

Any ideas with this one?
[Shield General] antisystem:
Don't know if this was reported before, but since I moved my Steam directory yesterday cause lack of storage, I wanted to report that Steam has to be installed to the standard dir, or you'll get an "starting app failed" message. Don't know if this is a 'problem' with nvstreamer or limelight.

Solution is simple: Just add a symlink at the standard install dir to you new Steam directory and streaming will work again.
[Shield General] RedDeath1337:
Ouya Questions

First off, I wanted to say Thank you for creating this application.

I just found out about it yesterday and wow... so much potential here!!!

I am running this on Ouya connected via ethernet, and I have a couple questions.

1) No matter what I do I cannot get he in game overlay to work (Center ouya button+rb+lb).

2) When I exit a game I see a blank screen with "bubbles". From reading this forum I figured out I was able to hit up a bunch, then right then exit stream. (1080P 30fps or 720P 30fps, doesn't matter which)

The post also said that I could unsubscribe from steam beta updates and that would resolve the issue(s). I unsubscribed, rebooted and the issue persists.

Any thoughts or idea's?

Also I read an update went live for Android and the Ouya update for GE 2.1 was up for review. How long does that process normally take? Perhaps the upgrade would help remedy my situation. At worst it would add not having to pair every reboot, and would let me run GE2.1!

Again, thank you so much for your efforts, this is a truelove amazing tool!!!
[Shield General] death_entry:
I've always had the bubbles problem when exiting a game, makes a bit problematic to experiment with different games, not sure how to fix it ;(
[Shield General] cgutman:
The special button combos don't work consistently in the version currently out on the Ouya store. I've had a fix waiting for review for several weeks. When I shipped 2.3, I updated the version waiting for review.

The review for the initial version on the Ouya store took a few weeks. My first update was reviewed in less than 24 hours. I haven't had any updated version reviewed since. I had to email them just to modify my app description to add the GFE 2.1 incompatibility notice. I can't imagine what could be taking this long.
[Shield General] RedDeath1337:
Excellent. I can't wait for it to go live then!!!! I played with this for a few hours and it's really great!!! Thanks again. :)
[Shield General] tallnerd1985:
Any word on approval for the FireTV?
[Shield General] death_entry:
DIY Cardboard rift Kit...

https://developers.google.com/cardboard/

Someone who is braver than me, give it a go and see how good it is to try and stream with limelight lol...
[Shield General] Moerf:
You should definitely try it (e.g. with TriDef) - it is awesome! See here for more infos: http://www.durovis.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2618&sid=c0f40a03c4392abc7cf0bd3ae4528736

Sadly my last ventures failed to get it working again. Worked up until GFE 2.0.

And now I lost patience and will wait for my Oculus DK2. ;)
[Shield General] irtimmer:
Limelight Pi v0.7

Because of some other fixes and functionality beside support for Geforce Experience 2.1 a new release of Limelight Pi was a little behind the rest. So a new release with fixes for gamepad and audio and support for GE 2.1 is available at https://github.com/irtimmer/limelight-pi/releases/tag/v0.7
[Shield General] cgutman:
Limelight Android 2.4 Beta testing

v2.4 is almost finished. I changed a bunch of the rendering and networking code to reduce latency but I'd like testing before I roll it out widely. I haven't had many people try my other builds, but it really helps me to hear your thoughts so please try if you can.

Now we're using the largest packets we can when the device is on the same network as the PC. This means even better performance (in this area) than Nvidia's official streamer which uses packets 33% smaller. I also optimized the decoding path to not allocate as much memory to reduce the chances of GC running.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wicb2hk5ns2cmmx/Limelight-2.4b.apk
[Shield General] NokYoL0:
I'm unable to pair this thing :(

I have a Galaxy Nexus with KitKat 4.4.4, and in my PC I have a GTX 660 (I'm sure, it's GTX) and there is nothing about GameStream in the GFE. Every time I try to pair tapping on the button it says: "failed to resolve host".
[Shield General] Raptor5150:
Still getting RTSP handshake error.

What's wrong?
[Shield General] cgutman:
That error almost cartainly means you made a typo in your PC address or host name. What exactly did you type into that field?

Make sure the RTSP port (TCP 48010) is allowed through the firewall. Or try turning your firewall off altogether.
[Shield General] belrik:
Is it possible to read accelerometer input to emulate mouse input? This might need root but would be really cool. I remember the nVidia drivers used to support 3D output already.
[Shield General] Raptor5150:
Disabled my firewall on my router and allowed the port but I'm still getting this error what's wrong? It used to work perfectly I'm using GFE 2.1 all the shield streaming is enabled in windows firewall too.

My laptop screen is broken partially so using my nexus 5 to game would help me so much.

Please help.
[Shield General] NokYoL0:
Cool, I tried now and I don't know how, magically, it worked just typing the IP 192.168.1.128. That's the same I tried when I posted...

Thanks mate.
[Shield General] jpeich:
2.4a Test version

Hi Cgutman,

I checked 2.4a version and I perceived a little bit less lag than previous versions. I have to check 2.4b with increased MTU. I am getting rid of my nexus 7 2013 in favor of a XIAOMI MIPAD. I am pretty excited about the decoding speed of TEGRA K1!

Thanks for your incredible work, cgutman! I am having lots of fun with this software!!
[Shield General] Moerf:
Just have a look at the thread I linked to (http://www.durovis.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2618&sid=fdccc6feb40278e61fd49ee8a534a602), everything is explained there.

But - yes - it was possible when everythng else worked. I have not tried it since a few weeks back.
[Shield General] belrik:
Sorry, I meant "is it possible to do this within limelight/gfe?". The approach you mention includes a lot of extra bits and pieces and not a clean solution, although I'm sure it works- just not something I'd want to setup on my main daily driver.
[Shield General] cgutman:
Tegra has the best H.264 decoder out on the market. Latency in most cases is just over a single frame. I can notice the difference from Snapdragon 600 to Tegra 3 and 4 when testing.

With 2.4, I can't tell the difference between the native Shield streamer and Limelight (until the network starts dropping packets)
[Shield General] sandro.bertini:
Same thing here. It pairs fine but cannot start the streaming, it failes with the above message and a floating window says:

RTSP DESCRIBE request falied: 500

I tried opening port 48010 in windows firewall (it was alread opened in fact) and disabling windows firewall altogheter. The router firewall is also inactive (but I think that would not matter given that I am in a local network).

I am using a Win 8.1 64bits PC, GFE 2.1 with the latest beta drivers, my router is an ASUS AC66U and my phone is a HTC One (M7), everything connected to the same WLAN (5GHz).

Any other advice? It worked in the past (a few versions ago, with the last ones I could not pair...).

Best regards,
[Shield General] Raptor5150:
I'll reply to this as this is the exact same issue I'm having..

Maybe we will get help on the subject instead of others replying to the thread who can still use limelight and need to ask silly questions about using a mouse.
[Shield General] GrayBoltWolf:
Silly questions about using a mouse?

I am sorry it is a crime to ask a question about getting the #1 most used input device in history working.
[Shield General] julle131:
Aah, you must be talking about keyboard. Mouse was created long after keyboard.

"As early as the 1870s, teleprinter-like devices were used to simultaneously type and transmit stock market text data --"

As mouse is much newer:

"The trackball, a related pointing device, was invented in 1946 by Ralph Benjamin --"

Or maybe you are talking about electric cable? There we go even farther even in history.

The mouse will be fixed when a good way to operate it is found. Don't worry.
[Shield General] jarjarfinks:
You should try with MantaMod on the device being the client, I intend to get a Cardboard going, with my HTC One M8, Limelight streaming, with MantaMod enabled for Limelight.
[Shield General] robikonobi:
Is there a way to do "limelight" accelerated remote desktop? I know there are a variety of remote desktop solution out there but none are as fast as limelight. I tried the solution below but does not seem to work with limelight. Any suggestions?

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3489/~/shield-remote-desktop
[Shield General] GrayBoltWolf:
Well duh that keyboard is used more. You get my point though, no need to go nitpicking through my arguments.

---------- Post added at 12:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:11 PM ----------

I know splashtop is super fast.
[Shield General] TheHunterOfShadows:
Omg, guys let's talk about limelight. (keyboard / mouse ftw btw)
[Shield General] tallnerd1985:
Like it has been stated many times before, it requires root access to get raw KB/Mouse input.
[Shield General] TheHunterOfShadows:
Has anyone had luck with watch dogs? It works for me, but not great. Some artifacting, and lag. Most other games seem alright, but watch dogs seems to work worse then others. Using a n10, 5ghz and a laptop 2.4ghz, but even over lan it's not great.
[Shield General] GrayBoltWolf:
Well watch dogs runs like crap anyway so I can imagine that the streaming wouldn't be that great.
[Shield General] TheHunterOfShadows:
I guess I can't argue with that :)
[Shield General] jrichardsMav:
Any thought into making limelight AndroidTV compatible?
[Shield General] Raptor5150:
2char
[Shield General] cgutman:
Android L and Android TV update

We're working on it. It works on Android TV as it is, but we don't implement a leanback UI which we need to show up on the Play Store on Android TV devices.

The new UI in v3.0 will look good on TVs too, so we can just add the leanback UI intent filter and be good to go. This should be good for Ouya and Fire TV too.

I don't think the NDK for L is ready yet (or at least I couldn't find it). When that comes out, I'll rebuild our native libraries for ARM64 and x86-64 to be ready for 64-bit platforms on L. I'll probably end up doing MIPS and MIPS64 too for completeness. It might be time to start splitting our APKs into versions for ARM, x86, and MIPS to cut down on the native library bloat.

As far as general performance on L, the new ART memory allocation and GC improvements are huge for frame consistency when streaming. We frequently hit the GC_FOR_ALLOC path in Dalvik (as much as I try to minimize object creation) and the improvements in ART here are impressive.
[Shield General] fredphoesh:
Hi

AFAIK ALL android devices on Android L will be Android TV capable... (or am I incorrect?) so would this work with any android device? Tx

Mark.
[Shield General] RLHawk1:
Fire TV Controller

I've got this loaded on my FireTV and it works wonderfully with the FireTV controller and steam big picture.

My only issue is -- I don't know how to send the "Home button" button to Steam. Which means I can't pause games, exit games, etc. once I start them because if I press Home, it just goes to the FireTV home screen. Does anyone know if it's possible to change mappings to make it work properly? As well as if there's a way to make the controller move my mouse on my PC through Limelight?

Thanks!
[Shield General] robikonobi:
[MENTION=2844433]cgutman[/MENTION]. Thank you for your awesome app. Like [MENTION=3788299]somewhatdog[/MENTION] above, I've tried limelight on the atv1200 recently as well and have also found that mali400 gpu was not supported in limelight for hardware acceleration even though the gpu supports h.264 hardware accelerated decoding in xbmc. Would it be possible to add support for this gpu? Your help is most appreciated.

Does anyone have any idea if it is possible to get hardware acceleration to work with this older but rather common gpu?
[Shield General] cgutman:
I can definitely look into that. Can you describe what happens when you try to stream? Does it crash or is it just laggy?
[Shield General] robikonobi:
Thanks cgutman for offering to look into this. It doesn't crash, but it lags as if hardware acceleration isn't turned on. I am able to control my computer via limelight...it just has very bad framerates on the atv1200.
[Shield General] TheHunterOfShadows:
Anyone else using an LG g2? Trying to play batman arkham. I keep getting mini pauses/jitter. Every few seconds. Host gpu is under 60% usage, as is the host cpu. Using Wifi speed test I get 200Mbps to the host. (netgear nighthawk router). But still I get this jitter on 720@60fps unless I use like the 5Mbps setting...
[Shield General] cgutman:
I've create a few APKs for you to test. Please report the performance of each. A toast will be displayed when you start streaming on each APK, please report exactly what it says. It should be the same for all APKs.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n92ebi62m7imnmh/Limelight-none.apk

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5db3irudh4lgkz/Limelight-nref.apk

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ecvn0mvcjfgxmx8/Limelight-bsr.apk

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ictj99yb94wy2u4/Limelight-both.apk

These are Limelight v2.5 test builds with a few other changes.
[Shield General] nzfalcon:
FireTV

Hello All

Jsut got my FireTV today and been trying to get this up and running. Not having to much luck.

ive got it working on my Phone but my FireTV just gives a "Connection Error Starting video stream failed" after it fires up Steam

ive tried 2.4 and 2.3 but same issue. Are there any pointers that can get me going? cant seem to locate any one else with the issue yet

Any assistance you can provide will be very helpful
[Shield General] robikonobi:
[MENTION=2844433]cgutman[/MENTION] - Thanks for the beta testing opportunity. I tried all 4 apks...all of them report that "no safe decoder found" and then says that the a/v is processing data too slowly even though I am on a wired LAN connection 20 ft from the computer. In each case, I had it running on "auto select decoder" and was able to get to the steam screen. Force hardware decoding kicks you back to the limelight framerate selection screen after it reports "no safe decoder found" and it never reaches the steam screen. I was able to navigate the steam menu using the "none" apk, but the other three apks seems to freeze at the steam screen and then terminate the connection, so I couldn't navigate the steam GUI. If there's anything else that you want me to test, let me know.

On an unrelated note, I've also noticed that if the connection terminates unexpectedly...I have to physically go to my computer and close the limelight/shield session before I can reconnect again...otherwise, it just complains that it has not been paired...and won't let me pair again.
[Shield General] Bwwwww:
I get a error when trying to pair. It says "GPE returned an http 404 error ..."

Any ideas? Firewall is fine (tried it off, tried it on with correct ports open). Running Limelight 2.4 on Android, GPE 2.1, GTX780, PC wired into network, Galaxy S4 connected to 5.8ghz AC wifi. I have used it before a couple of months back. No idea why its not working now! I tried it with Steam beta client and latest non-Beta. The PC IP address I am using is definitely correct. I have tried rebooting (both PC and phone)... it changed nothing.

EDIT: If I click "Pair" button enough, eventually it gives me a PIN, but it does not seem to work as I am not asked for it on the PC.

EDIT: I tried Limelight 2.3. I get a huge toast with a URL in it. The URL is very long It starts with http://MY.IP.ADDRESS:47984/pair?uniqueid=....

FIXED: Fixed by reinstalling Geforce Experience 2.1
[Shield General] cgutman:
Can you see if it happens with v2.3 also?

Download v2.3 from:

https://github.com/limelight-stream/limelight-android/releases/tag/v2.3
[Shield General] cgutman:
Does it still happen if you select Force Software Decoding?
[Shield General] RedDeath1337:
Ouya

Come on Ouya store... update already!
[Shield General] TheHunterOfShadows:
Thx for the quick reply! I just tried that version and I think the jitter is worse.
[Shield General] nzfalcon:
Hello cgutman,

Thanks for the reply. Good question, just tested it and it works fine, although I get a message saying A/V is to slow and it image is very slow.

I tested forcing hardware decoding but didnt have the same affect. Does this mean it could be that the device cant support hardware?

I did some how manage to get it to go once randomly and played some games for 20mins which was actually very playable. well impressed

I am happy to try help debug the issue if you let me know what you need :)
[Shield General] cgutman:
I have an updated build with more debugging. Please use Force Hardware Decoding. Then please PM me a logcat log of you trying to stream.

Follow this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2355016 and do "Doing logcat for a text file"

APK link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vuz5azb3iwi5orq/Limelight-dd.apk

It's working for me on Fire TV. Try restarting your PC and Fire TV. Sometimes the codec state gets screwed up on Android device.
[Shield General] mwneuendorf:
I've got a Tronsmart CX-919 Quad Core Rockchip RK3188T(not sure about whether it's T but I'll verify.) Cortex A9 1.4GHz. It's a Mali 400 from what I see in the specs. I didn't try -none yet but I did try the rest.

This is really just one test (one scenario) so take it however you want.

I tested with Skyrim and sixaxis controls. I also have an NVidia shield so I was able to compare.

-bsr had issues with forced hardware. I got the blank screen. I was able to get out (have a usb keyboard sixaxis seg faulted. not related to this app). I switched to auto select and it worked. But it was stuttery.

-nref started really well it seemed.

-both worked as well. -nref seemed a little better. but both worked.

Notes: My modded skyrim does cause hiccups(stutters) even on the shield (over 5ghz). Usually though I can hit parts where it's silky smooth. So take all of this with a grain of salt. I do sometimes get the feeling though that the 3188 is gc'ing. And it's similar to an old phone so honestly just having it be close to 60fps with a modded Skyrim is great. Thanks! :good:

A side note, the "quit steam" button and "pair me" button overlap.
[Shield General] scorpionx:
Hey all. I've got this working flawlessly on my nexus 4 and nexus 7 with the moga hero power locally. However, when I am remote (I've got all the ports forwarded) it gets past the handshake, and begins to start the handshake. After that there is a blank toast that pops up and I am disconnected. Any ideas on what to try? This is great, I love being able to play Borderlands 2 in bed while the wife sleeps!

One last thing, when I quit a game I am getting the steam big picture menu, then it dissapears and I get the bubbles. I have to just keep tapping up and right and quit to desktop and relaunch. I am not enrolled in beta updates.
[Shield General] death_entry:
How is everyone getting this to work flawlessly, I have loads of lag on my LG G2 :S
[Shield General] TheHunterOfShadows:
Starting to wonder if it's a g2 issue. I have lag too. My nexus 10, with a slower cpu, and slower connection to the router can handle a higher Mbps
[Shield General] cgutman:
The reported link speed is not a good indicator of connection quality or speed. The practical link quality is affected by interference, walls, etc. Sometimes changing the channel your network runs on to avoid other networks can help.

Phones in general tend to be more finicky when it comes to wireless connections. This is simply because their smaller antennas are less forgiving to small changes in signal characteristics (like movement of the device or your hand around the device).
[Shield General] electricblues42:
steam bubles

Just so people know, the blank steam page with the bubbles is a problem with steam and not limelight. I've noticed it occasionally when using steam big picture when limelight isn't working. It is easy enough to solve, just alt tab with the computer keyboard and then alt tab back to steam/limelight then reconnect the stream from your phone. It's a bit annoying but blame it on steam.

Also I've noticed that when I use limelight that about a minute or two after using it steam pops back up as the open application on the main computer and I have to alt tab back to the game, after that it's good to go. Not that big of a deal but a little annoying, also not sure if it's another problem with steam or one with limelight.
[Shield General] death_entry:
saying that when the game starts its not too bad, like its a second behind... when exiting limelight it says display latency 74ms decoder latency 73ms
[Shield General] cgutman:
While that decoder latency is higher than normal (50 ms is about normal for Qualcomm devices), it's definitely not an explanation for the problem that you see. What it does say is that once the first packet of picture data reaches the phone, the full frame gets on the screen in 74 milliseconds on average. It also tells me that your decoder latency dominates any latency from processing that Limelight itself is doing in software (which is good and expected). If you had given me this without context, I'd say that you probably had a good experience. Go figure.

If I had to throw a guess out for your problem, I'd say there's probably some packet queuing going on somewhere between your PC and your phone. Either your PC is doing other network activity or your router can't handle everything going through it at once. Try taking other devices off your network to see if it improves.
[Shield General] Attreyu:
Cameron, what would you say it´s the best latency atainable with Tegra chipsets ? 30-40ms ? Can it be improved, especially when we`re dealing with FPS games which require instant response ?
[Shield General] robikonobi:
Thanks...i will try tonight and pm you the results.