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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Skander1998:
Root is an exploit and technically a malicious action to gain root privileges.

If you get around the flag and gain root you technically evade the devices built in security, with knox that is not possible, and the only way to exploit the device is by tripping the flag and rendering the knox container useless therefore protecting what was inside it from unauthorized access.

Yikes this is getting off topic, I'm not replying anymore here about this.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] yashade2001:
And there is no way without reprogramming the efuse that's ehy i am asking this.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
You should try contacting Cf. He surely can help with this or get you in touch with the right person.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] yashade2001:
Hey guys. I found the solution, thanks to [MENTION=5002182]mike_galaxy_s[/MENTION] . Sell your S4/Note3 and buy a new device. Just trolling I will find a way.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
This is really the best solution. Sell your S4 and buy a N5.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] yashade2001:
So I am saying again, the only way is reprogramming the chip from device. Anyway the easiest solution is seling your device and buying a new device especially a nexus device.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
The s4 is a flagship and it shows.

The Nexus 5 is a budget phone.

All is better on the s4 except for the soc and stupid sw rules - eg knox and rooting.

Touchwizz is miles away better than aosp, and with the 4.4 update our is poised to be incredible.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] !crazy:
Unfortunately hardware of Nexus device is inferior to Samsung's high end devices. I don't care about camera so much, but radio and GPS built into Nexuses is usually cheap MOD EDIT:Profanity removed. I want to be able to use my device for navigation, and I want it to works well. I want decent reception. If I only have to risk warranty, not a problem for me. Also, sometimes it takes time for things to happen. I was a little frustrated with the situation with i9305 (bad AOSP ROMs, only few developers.) but nowadays the support is great, and that's maybe one of the best devices to run CM 10.2 and 11 (Unofficial nightlies work great.).

This device has a lot more attention, and I really hope and think someone will find the solution for the knox issue as well.

Further having 1080p on smaller screens doesn't really make sense. Other devices are to big again (for me.). Note 3 is definitely a great or the best smart phone on the market, at the moment.

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Touchwiz is better? You really have o idea. But let say you like the interface and the features, CM feels ten times faster and smoother on the same device. Now with Android 4.4.2 and CM 11 this takes another dimension.

Sorry for spaming the thread, I couldn't resist. I'll never do it again, I promise.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dpeddi:
I hate the fact that if i root today and tomorrow i change work and i would work for a company that apply byod and require knox i will have to buy another phone due to the flag..

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
I still haven't jumped ship and gone tripping yet. I have always liked the idea of reseting back to complete stock before I sell my device to someone.

KNOX is a bummer and putting to many sad faces on people.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nags92:
If the nexus 5 came in 64gb i would in a heartbeat
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jirka607:
I have been in czech samsung store yesterday.....and talked with one of the service guys......and i think KNOX is only software...as he told me that they can reset KNOX and change IMEI and everything in 10mins.....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
Yeah, there were reports of Samsung services resetting knox in 10 minutes.

But no one wants to explain and share the complete procedure :(
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jirka607:
Since one of my friends is working in one of those store i sent a bottle of whisky and hoping for some information......
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
There's a $2500 bounty for resetting knox ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jonboyuk:
That's a pretty tasty bribe...if I knew, I'd take it!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
Tripped mine just now and feel like the cage has been opened finally!!!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Compudizzal:
Sounds like it may be stored on the SIM card.. :cool:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] !crazy:
They are probably doing it with a hardware device, which is a black box to them, so they actually have nothing to say (explain.).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] OMG-FFS:
I felt the same when I tripped mine!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] _alex74_:
sorry to say but this is completely MOD EDIT:Profanity removed and OFFTOPIC, where are masters here??

Here in Italy Nexus fones are rare, so..... even there are a enormous difference between S4 and Nexus(hardware and ROM differences)

As said even on XDA S4 is far superior compared to Nexus, even on post below

Again, is different point of view...... from mine AOSP is poor with no such features, just to use phone for as it is, yes fast and smooth, but for stability and compatibility, TW is the best, and TW is really fast so wth means faster??

Come on guys we have phone, saying fast mean converting a video takes less on aosp, but all of you know is hardware related so....

the speed difference is not so feelable, not for everyone daily use.

Sorry for my post, but we really going offtopic!!!

To all:

Trigging Knox flag

does not compromise

hardware or software functionality, my S4 knoxed 0x1 is flying all over, with fantastic battery life, fast 3g and WIFI DL, optimus GPS tracking so...

- KNOX flag will not compromise warranty in Europe, where in most of service centers is unknown and "seems" resettable

- Even if you need hardware warranty(screen defective, mic not working) it is not officialy said that you have not

Nothing more.... just happy holiday, merry christmas to all of you XDA fellas:victory::D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jdidtht:
And to add to this I havent seen a carrier in the United States give two MOD EDIT: PROFANITY REMOVEDs about the counter either. They just don't care, so here's what you do, you just go ahead, root your device do whatever you want to do and just quit worrying about stuff that the carriers don't care about. Try to have access to a stock rom for returns, use some common sense and don't go returning a device without the software that was on it when you purchased it, and when u walk in a store you are likely to have no issues what so ever.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nidjo83:
I wouldn't agree...

Battery on my S4 was swollen, so i took it to service. They told me that phone was rooted, and they will fix it this time, but next time it wont pass.

So it depends on service. It's not the same everywhere.

Now i'm stuck with warranty voided S4... and they have my info in computer, so even if my mainboard dies anytime soon - they're able to see in computer that my s4 was rooted, so they won't fix it.

Btw. I'm from Europe.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] covers:
Fwiw, I work closely with a samsung service centre, my Knox counter had been tripped and I asked to have it reset, they said they could do it but the only way to reset the Knox, according to them was to replace the main board which they were willing to do, however I declined the offer as my phone worked perfectly fine so I saw no reason to replace my board just to have Knox reset
[Galaxy Note 3 General] frostmore:
maybe for the states or EU there are consumer protection laws in place.

here in singapore,there is no such thing.trip knox and its goodbye warranty for you.

the 2 things that is stopping me from selling my note 3 or tripping knox is, there is no CM yet on note 3 and hope there is a solution to knox removal.

other than that,i am ready to remove this knox infected phone from my home.

samdung does crapple on its customers and none of them appreciates it.there is a reason why i like android more than ios and its nothing about telling me how "secure" or how i should use my OWN phone.

keep up with this bullcrap call knox,i will take my money and spend it on other android phones like LG (like the flex ,hate the non expandable memory) or go back to HTC.

yes,samdung has one of the best hardware in the market now but that does not give it rights to act like crapple and start telling ppl how to use their god damn phone which was bought with their own god damn money.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bulbous:
Two things stand out here

1. If the battery was swollen, then why were they even looking at the phone.

2. You could have just given them the battery.

Root is one thing,. but it's not going to cause the battery to swell EVER.

They're full of sh*t. It's an obvious hardware defect and it pretty much proves that rooting doesn't kill warranty.

You got another battery didn't you?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nidjo83:
They wanted to check if phone is alright, that battery didn't damage it somehow.

I told them rooting has nothing to do with swollen battery - it's their factory fault, but she said it doesn't matter because warranty is voided by rooting - even in this case of obviously their fault.

They gave me another battery, but in every case i'm stuck with new phone without warranty.

I really enjoyed changing ROMs often on my old S2, and this knox crap was like cold shower to me... making S4 my last Samsung phone ever.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Change the thread title to "KNOX is a software trigger and can't be reset". :D

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] lesliescott06:
That's a pretty cool information. When I purchased my samsung mobile I forget to get the insurance. Hope so that Knox will work out in certain stages of insurance related issues as well. Thanks for the information.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Omar04:
Samsung Knox security software reportedly suffering from hole that could allow interception of data.

One step at a time.. :D

http://www.phonedog.com/2013/12/24/...m-hole-that-could-allow-interception-of-data/

Elite Tester
[Galaxy Note 3 General] KrzysztofGW:
We need such game :) Any donates?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] brusyev:
My note 3 devices are the last Samsung products I have bought as well due to Knox....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] frostmore:
Here, Here bro.

Samdung thinks they can get away with knox and telling users that root is not allowed coz its ________________(insert samdung's crappy reason here)

they thought wrong!

their hardware are top notch,no doubt about that.best in the entire android phone market.but their TW is crap...utterly crap.

i am pretty sure millions of users buy their phones to put CM in or bloatware free custom roms.no one actually buys their phone coz TW is oh-my-gwad! great....

with knox,they are saying: "no root,coz we dun allow it and you dunno what you are doing.jus use our TW (crappy) coz we know what's best for you".

yeah right....

hell,they didnt even take a leaf from HTC and offer unlocked bootloaders to ppl who willingly want to void their warranted phones.instead,they locked the bootloaders,install knox security bit and tells you how to use our phones bought with our money.

yeah,last time i read,a fruit company came out to teach ppl how to hold their phones for a better reception.they have the lion's share of the market back then.now look what happened to them.

SAMDUNG,try pulling an apple on us...and lets see where it will lead you.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] KennyG123:
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[Galaxy Note 3 General] frostmore:
been checking xda since i got my note 3 for either removal of knox or reset knox back to 0x0.

sorta reminds me of waiting for android on nand for the immortal hd2.

i remb when mgldr came out,it was on the last day of the year 2010.

i hope the same can be said of knox.

it would be a great way to end the yr by giving samdung the middle finger for trying to force knoxpox down our throats and also teach them a lesson to NOT try and pull a crapple stunt....ala steve job telling u how to hold ur iphone for a better reception.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] moto211:
Did you really just post the same exact thing in both knox threads?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pham818:
so.... he got 50 thanks, and has not replied every since?.... lol.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] frostmore:
so that where my other post went.

i thought i didn't post in the right thread so reposted it.

thanks for pointed that out to me.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mygadgetgeek.com:
Can someone tell me why in odin mode secureboot is none on my note 3

It is on mk2 haven't rooted just stock am waiting till can root without tripping knox
[Galaxy Note 3 General] cwwjr1681:
*Those of you Worried about Knox on On T-Moble US*

I can confirm that if you are a member of the jump program or have the premium insurance plan that you will be fine ONLY if you re-flash to stock before sending it in. The only people who would check the Knox Kernel is Samsung. Samsung does not handle warranties with T-Mobile. Asurion does. Asurion does not check the Knox. Asurion sends people refurbished phones from Warranty exchanges all the time. When i had my S4 I got one from a warranty exchange with the Knox tripped. They have no clue what that is nor do they care. They handle too many swap outs/fixes a day to do so. So if your touch screen goes out or something like that or something else goes wrong you are sent a new phone FIRST for 5$ if there is no serious physical damage to your phone. otherwise you will have a 175$ deductible. After you get the new phone, then you send your old phone back to T-moble who sends it to Asurion. This is how the process works. That is why even us Samsung employees pay for Asurion insurance. Because we root our phones. ;)

PS> I have even heard of of people buying a "open box" (which means it was a return) or display model phone from T-moble stores with Knox tripped. So Its not something they are concerned with if you have Asurion. Asurion really does not want to go through the process of proving it was YOU that tripped it. If you have the stock rom and kernel on the phone when you send it in you are fine. Once agian this stands true for US TMO customers only. I can not speak for other carriers/countrys
[Galaxy Note 3 General] marcash:
hi

i have i9505

i installed cm11 and ML1 modem . i didnt know ...now i have knox 01 and no sound

is it possible to flash back to stock firmware ? and how?

it there any solution to get back the knox 00
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gazeddy:
Flashing stock in odin should sort you out but as for knox

Not in the wide community. It appears samsung has the ability.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Omar04:
Happy new year everyone :D

ELITE TESTER
[Galaxy Note 3 General] timberwolf60:
Happy 2014 to every one. Hope we can able to reset this KNOX soon.

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ROM: I9505XXUEML4_Knox 0x1

CSC: I9505OLBEML1_STH

Modem: I9505XXUEML1

Stock Kernel/Recovery

bootloader: I9505XXUEMK9
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Steev43230:
How to check

What do I do to find out if my Knox flag has bet set?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] zocster:
Power off. Turn on by pressing and holding volume down, home button and power. Then you press the up volume button to bring that screen.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Steev43230:
Thanks.

Thanks. I also need to buy a microscope now I guess. ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jb3501:
I just wanted to check on warranty bit which is 0, but now I'm stuck on (Downloading...Do not turn off target). How do I get back to Home page?

Nevermind, I got it. Just hold power button till it vibrates.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] psychonael:
Just remove the battery and put it back in. Now restart your phone and it should reboot on system.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gazeddy:
Just had an idea and i could be very wrong. Is the flag not burried somwhere in the efs? It holds the unique data for each device. And if you upset it the device refuses to boot
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CoolPyr0:
happy new year
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
There are now 2 solutions for the KNOX problem:

1. Sell your S4/Note 3 und buy a N5.

2. Flash it and if you need warranty, then destroy the bootloader and Samsung won't be able to check the warranty-flag bevore the board replacement.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sajoo:
Destroying the bootloader isn't a proper solution for warranty issues.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] frostmore:
how do u destroy the bootloader to the point that it cannot even load up?

i think this is a good way for knoxing(and showing samdung the middle finger) and then claiming warranty because kies screwed up the phone( another middle finger to samdung,telling them their kies sucks).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I'm not responsible for anything, that i write now! Do it at your own risk!

Flash the wrong bootloader (I9500 bootloader or something like that) or disconnect the cable while odin is flashing the bootloader. Then you must try, if the phone is dead, so, if you can't enter the download mode with a JIG, then you have sucessfully destroyed the bootloader. :D

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] nitrate:
I personally prefer installing Clockworkmod and choosing the option "format eMMC". :D

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I think, that "format emmc" formats the external sd card.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] harold5249:
Destroy the bootloader then flash a rom? But how to flash if don't have bootloader? :confused:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gazeddy:
No what he is saying is flash then oh no i need warranty destroy bl and samdung cant tell you flashed
[Galaxy Note 3 General] harold5249:
Oh... Sorry that I didn't read. :P
[Galaxy Note 3 General] OMG-FFS:
I'm already past this Knox BS, rooted my phone and hoping that I won't be needing a warranty, never needed it really (knox on wood, lol).

I'm waiting to see what other fcuk ups Sammy will bring with 4.4 update, all they do with things like this is digging their own grave. I'll probably look at another brand if Sammy keeps on with this and other silly things, like SIM region lock, knox, etc.

Modern smartphone is like a mini computer, what they should do is sell their fones on similar conditions as computers and let the users do what they want, SW wise.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BrunoWestone:
The solution is coming…..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] naboleo:
Sounds like a teasing to me ! Great !
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Byteater:
Can you please tell me if it has something to do with efs? This maybe explains why efs folder in the latest i9300 updates changed format.. I'm just curious....

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mr_Ada:
Get hands on code that generates the warranty message

That warrant bit message is most likely being generated with software. If one could reverse engineer the bootloader and have it not spit out a 1 then they would never know.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] chkenwing:
Completely agree with this.

They're really going in the way of Apple's direction, and it's really gonna bite them real hard when they finally come to the realization of these stupid decisions.

That said, it's a large corporate company, since when did they care about what the users think?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] cousinit99:
SPEAK UP, TELL THEM THAT ------> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2607036
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Cyenominerva:
I would be interested to hear of someone that was refused warrantee because of Knox 0_0, do they even check when booking a phone in for repair?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] melvie:
I have seen several people here that there warranty was refused...

Therefore this is my first Android that I haven't rooted yet.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ahmedanis:
Rooting is already illegal and void warrenty but who cares :laugh:.

so we shouldn't request from the company to keep our warrenty and handle this burden while we are rooting.

the best soultion is to find workaround.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
rooting does void the manufacturer warranty, but for one rooting is NOT illegal (just as jailbreaking) and in EU we have a warranty granted by the seller which does NOT get voided by simple rooting if the problem is not related to that...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] testadeferro:
Wrong. In Europe you have mandatory warranty to the manufacturer in the first 6 months. If a defect shows up it is irrefutably a manufacturers defect. After that is arguable. The seller compulsory warranty is for two years and you can break the contract for any stupid reason. So root isn't nor ilegal nor warranty voiding.

Please stop writing nonsense and search at least for your European rights.

Will post a link later with the Eu directive that say all that I've mentioned above and stop speculation. This is xda!

Here it is. Enjoy

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L0044:EN:NOT
[Galaxy Note 3 General] chkenwing:
I've been doing that with Samsung HK, unfortunately, they just turn a blind eye and avoid any comments that are negative.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Omar04:
Yeah for something like that to really work it have to reach a wide spread media channel.

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ELITE TESTER
[Galaxy Note 3 General] smeet.somaiya:
Hii

Hey mate, where are u located? I need to go to the same service center which will fix my knox warranty void 0X1..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djcmn:
Decided against N3 due to KNOX

I broke the LCD on my old S4 last week and although I ordered the part to fix it, I picked up a brand new one at T Mobile. Thought about the N3 but knew it shipped with 4.3 and KNOX Bootloader, so I went ahead and got another S4. The store only had restickered ones indicating Android 4.3 but I was destined to try anyway. Upon starting it I could see Android was updating. I pulled the battery immediately and reinserted, then booted into recovery and did a factory reset and wiped cache.. Upon restart, I was happy to see that it indeed was running 4.22 and SELinux was permissive and it was running the M919UVUAMDL base band. This is basically the way the phone shipped at launch. There is NO KNOX warranty stuff anywhere. Success!!!!!! Rooted with CF Auto Root and installed all my favorite root apps.

So right now, if you pick up a S4 at the T Mobile store, it is set to update the OS on boot. If you still want an S4 without all the " ahem .. improved customer experience" Samsung wants to give you, you have to do the 2 steps in recovery BEFORE they set up a SIM. I had my old SIM and they could see it on my account so I just bought the thing and told them I would insert my old one myself.

Although this is straying a bit OT, I throw it out there for anyone who wants to avoid the headaches, and explain how Samsung lost an upsell because of this KNOX crap. Avoid the Note 3 and get a S4.

I didn't want the Samsung and T Mobile bloatware ( and carrier IQ) running on my fully paid for phone, and not having AdAway would also be a deal breaker. These are the biggest reasons most people root anyway. Maybe Samsung and the carriers should give us the option to decide whether we want their apps on our devices or not. As for KNOX, instead of making everyone have it, it should be optional and from there, if you want to use your device at work, the EMPLOYER can require the KNOX install before authorizing your device on their network. Sounds fair to me.