yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[RAZR i General] qubbey:
How can you say that after 1.5 years?

900 € for 1.5 years is cheaper than using Android devices? This means you bought a new Android device every 6 month?

Your comment makes so much sense that I think the corporates are right about you...

With iPhones it's the otherway around. Apple brings updates so the old hardware, that was running the OS just fine, is suddenly not capable to run smooth anymore so the customers have to buy new hardware.

For Android that's the moment Custom ROMs and awesome developers come in.

For iPhone users that's the moment the piggy bank is slaughtered.
[RAZR i General] nicop91:
How do apple fanboys even land in a topic related to software updates on a 3 years old android phone ?

Let's stop answering on this topic please.

And wait for fanboys to read the articles about "iPhone slow" searches after every iPhone release.

'Mgunna keep using my brave phone, that cost me less than 100/year max and not 300/year.

Yes I suggest to go back to the topic while still pushing the argument. Can't help it sorry.
[RAZR i General] iolinux333:
Does on or off topic even matter any more? This is a dead forum for a dead phone made by a dead company. Who cares?
[RAZR i General] legeekreveur:
Maybe peoples who still have this phone and still have hope ?

And a dead forum don't mean "Oh yeah, a dead forum. I will spam it with m'y bull****"...

Go away please. And no, this is not a dead phone ;)
[RAZR i General] chuckiebronco:
Don't feed it...

<°)))o><
[RAZR i General] legeekreveur:
I don't care if i feed him :3

Troll or not, i hate those who thinks like that :p
[RAZR i General] iolinux333:
Look, I thought people who thought like me were stupid too, but then I did the real calculation. Here is an example:

IPhone 4s was released Oct 2011. It will have latest software until AT LEAST Oct 2015, so at least 4 years. Unsubsidized price was about $600, or $150 a year. If it gets updated again, then even less. That is EAT LESS than I was spending on Android.

4s was slow with first iOS8 release, but is now running great with 8.1.3 release, my friend has one.

Compare Android phone made in 2011. Well I can do that, I have two of them, a RAZR and a Samsung Galaxy. They are in the junk box. What a waste of my money. If I had bought an iPhone instead back then I'd still be using it, or I could have sold it for a good price and upgraded, while old Android phones have terrible resale value.

It really is cheaper in the long run for people that want to run the latest software. If you just want to run the same software the phone comes with forever, then yes Android is cheaper. Please do not call me a troll because I relate my experience.

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This is my point:

Android update model SUCKS!

We, as a community, need to make Google and the hardware manufacturers understand that they are BLOWING IT BIG TIME. Locked bootloaders, proprietary drivers and even lying about promised updates is becoming horrible.

When I first got into Android five years ago I thought it would be like commodity PC hardware running open source software that I could hack and keep going as long as I liked. I think a lot of us thought it would be like that. That is why we all thought Apple dorks were idiots. They were! But then it all went to hell and here we are with two closed down closed source ecosystems, and the one made by Google is currently more crap than Apple crap.
[RAZR i General] iolinux333:
Because I have this phone!!!!

It was the last straw, the straw that broke the camel's back!

I keep abreast of Android because I want to come back... because I absolutely hate Apple!

But instead of getting better, Google keeps making Android and everything everything everything associated with it worse. And the manufacturers make it even worse and then the carriers mix in a final dose of awful. This is like a dystopian wet dream come true. Dear Lord I hope that Ubuntu phone thing gains some traction it may be our last hope.

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And who was one of the first, if not the very first Android handset makers to have an impenetrable locked bootloader? Motorola. OG RAZR. How did that work out for you Motorola?
[RAZR i General] qubbey:
I don't like it when people pretend their opinions are facts :crying:
[RAZR i General] khaledm_92:
And no one likes people who think no one is entitled to have a different opinion to theirs or dislike something that they love. Everyone is entitled to have his opinion whether anyone agrees with it or not.

This did start as a thread about the 4.4 update but don't you think some people will start to voice their frustration if the update has been promised a little under a year ago? If the guy prefers using apple then it shouldn't bother any of us. I personally have an ipad 3 that has been unusable ever since ios7, so I wish they actually stopped supporting it much earlier. But you know what? I also have a nexus 4 that's been really sluggish since it got the Lollipop update.

So, back to topic, is there anything new about the 4.4 update ?
[RAZR i General] qubbey:
Exactly :good:

The last comment to the update from Motorola Germany on their facebook page was:

"We know you are anxious for the updates, but don't start insulting people in the comments" :D
[RAZR i General] Hazou:
Yep, its hold back. An issue arose for people installing the update. Need to wait a bit longer...
[RAZR i General] El Daddy:
Ok guys, back on topic now please. Let's stop arguing and rants.

Thanks.
[RAZR i General] iolinux333:
What issue? Does anyone have any idea?
[RAZR i General] Chamelleon:
Hi, I'm ending with Moto for now as many of us. My phone is my working tool and it needs to be reliable. I participated to beta test but I even did not think that it can take more than 6 months. So from last 6 months my phone is not stable, many apps I need to work like wireless printing to Samsung printer (to print bills for clients) and many other are incompatible with XT890 or just FC.

For the 2nd time I trusted Moto (first time with Atrix) and 2nd time they f***** up my trust. I really hope You get fully working KitKat but I leave this ship. For now I betrays myself with ugly, plastic but trouble-free Samsung S4 Mini.

So thank You all and bye.
[RAZR i General] Furydrone:
Actually, s4 mini is pretty nice phone, one of the lightest and smallest phones with modern android; plastic but somehow slicky and nice, at least for me. Not bad alternative for xt890 assuming someone is looking for small sized and low priced phone.
[RAZR i General] your_login:
I know exactly what you mean... I also trusted Motorola and I believed a lot. I sold my XT890 2 months ago and I bought Xperia Z2 instead. I came back to this forum thread regularily though just to see how the update is doing and now I can see that Motorola is still disgracing their customers. Its a shame.

I also liked the phone and its quality a lot but with this kind of company's strategy i will not be one of their supporters.

Good bye Motorola, you have failed me. (Thanks to Motorola's designers because they did a superb job in desingning the phone but thats it).
[RAZR i General] khaledm_92:
I've also updated to a z3 compact but I still have the razr i as a backup phone. However, seeing that 5.0 was released about 5 months ago and not even the z3 has begun receiving the update we're probably not in a much better position. As for the razr i, I tend to think they've already scrapped the upgrade.
[RAZR i General] iolinux333:
And you have pointed out my point:

Ultimately it was ANDROID that failed all of us. It doesn't matter who made the phone. Chances of getting screwed in the end are ridiculous. I can't think of a single Android phone anyone can rely on to get updates, including Nexus. Yet I can take PC hardware over a decade old and put a modern OS on it, like Windows 10, Linux, or FreeBSD.

Android I thought was supposed to be a an open source commodity hardware model. It is anything but. We need to get away from this closed, locked, propriety BS.

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...and you know who is behind all this locked down BS?

HOLLYWOOD!

Apple and Google both are best butt buddies with the media sociopaths.. Hollywood started all this locking crap. The only way out iof this trap is open source.

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I think I Just found my next phone.

And So It Begins

http://mobile.extremetech.com/mobil...-sale-updated?origref=https://www.google.com/
[RAZR i General] j4n6:
IF they make them with good battery life my next phone may be Ubuntu. This or win10. Until both are out I stick with cm beta crap on my RAZR since all I do on it is to watch video and the rare call. BTW android, what I really don't lime about it is how bad the calls app works, my 3210 was a lot better at calls so maybe I need to get one of those again
[RAZR i General] pirast:
I have a Nokia/Microsoft Lumia now. Of course there are some downturns (less applications but more everyday, partly less powerful functions). Still I really have to say that never in my life I have had as little problems as with this device. No sudden battery drain, no restarts, nothing. Also, the Dual-SIM functionality is really smart. The stock keyboard is amazing, and I will get Windows 10 as an update.
[RAZR i General] arisgrc1:
Please stop posting already which phone you bought instead of Razr I...cause we don't give a ****...This thread is dedicated to Motorola Razr I and the upcoming Android 4.4 update

Yes,we are all disappointed from Motorola and their slow and half assed support ...now move on and post some actual news regarding the topic
[RAZR i General] iolinux333:
Well if there was some actual news, I'm sure we'd be all over it. There is no news. Maybe there will never be any more news. I think Motorola ditched the Photon 2 years ago and never gave those users the promised update either. So since there are a few of us standing around, waiting for the sun to set, why not let us engage in a little idle chit chat before the last of us give up and go our separate ways.
[RAZR i General] pirast:
go forward, post some news then.
[RAZR i General] arisgrc1:
I never said i had any news to report regarding the topic, If i have any, I'll post them. But when I visit this thread I don't like going through 15 irrelevant posts before finding something topic related.
[RAZR i General] Furydrone:
Well, 4.4 isn't coming, not in any near future, just deal with it. And since so many people are buying other phones becouse of it, there is nothing wrong with a bit offtop chat about it.

And not to mention that when (if?) 4.4 will be released, people will make new topics just to tell this to everyone, I guarantee it.
[RAZR i General] Burn02:
Stop saying nothing!

Nobody know when the release will come. It could be fast or not! Only motorola could know it!

So if you wan t android 4.4 fast; go and download cyanogenmod 11. It seems to be stable enouth now. So go and stop to argue about nothing.

If there is some news, post it. It's not the dedicated topic to talk about other phone or something else.

Just to talk about the news about android 4.4. If there is none, there is nothing to post there that's all!
[RAZR i General] :
This is the end.
[RAZR i General] nicop91:
Weeeeerrrr.

Does this means we are all supposed to have the ota update now ?

I have nothing... Can you provide the direct link to this thread please?

Thank you

Edit: ah, I have 91.226001.XT890.Retail.en.EU. Maybe that is the problem... I am in France also, maybe it's the baguette.
[RAZR i General] Chamelleon:
This thread was only for beta testers so people not from them can't see it.

Sent from Samsung GT-i9195BE
[RAZR i General] nicop91:
Ok thanks. I guess the 2 threads linked in the post also ?
[RAZR i General] quincyquinn:
So is this abandoned or will there be a OTA update for all or are the beta testers left on there last update.

Thanks
[RAZR i General] xNeo92x:
I think Motorola just realised that they pretty much ****ed up and just do nothing now. I mean come on, two years for a goddamn ROM update? In the time it makes much more sense to port Lollipop to our phone than KitKat. Lollipop doesn't need Houdini, because it has native x86 support and the battery time will be much better, especially for our phone. So for gods sake, I hope that Motorola will release the driver sources as soon as possible.
[RAZR i General] nicop91:
I guess they are closing the beta topics but no one still knows if this is a good news or not... ^^
[RAZR i General] Tell Me Where is Gandlaf:
It's coming very soon :)

SFR in France have announced that they have successfully tested and validated the update.

See a Google Translate French > English of the announcement here.

:good:
[RAZR i General] Furydrone:
It's coming very soon since year and a half Gandalf ;)
[RAZR i General] bughunt3r:
Good news everyone!

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/38f9a0a5aa?commentId=894744#894744
[RAZR i General] niksy+:
I find it respectable that Motorola is still working on this, even though it was a low-priority task from the beginning, as far as I can tell. Just my opinion, though...

Guys who are registered there - push them to release as much source code as soon as possible, so our developers can work easier and better on custom source-built ROMs :)
[RAZR i General] seymor:
update available :good:
[RAZR i General] mikehr:
Any news when the GB version will be out? Surely it can't be too much longer since the EU one is out now
[RAZR i General] skin_walker:
It is safe to ( or better - how to) update from OTA if I have EU ROM 4.1.2 + OMAR mods ? During first attempt I received "failed to verify whole-file signature", so I perform cache wipe and now... I'm, waiting for some advices :p
[RAZR i General] legeekreveur:
Can someone can keep the update.zip from the OTA please ? :)

I can't launched the "System Updates" things :confused:

It does nothing when i push it...
[RAZR i General] iolinux333:
I don't even know where my RAZRi is anymore. I think it's in some cardboard box somewhere. I guess I passed the point of caring about Motorola long ago. They hurt me too many times, on purpose. I had to get away from them to protect myself, emotionally and financially.

I do feel bad for all the hard working Motorola software and hardware engineers whose lives they trashed.

I think names should be named so we all know who the sociopaths that destroyed the company, once one if the greatest on earth, are.

Like WHO made the decision to lock the bootloaders?
[RAZR i General] legeekreveur:
Ok.

But i don't think it helped me...

Someone else ?
[RAZR i General] pstub:
Same problem here... System Updates is greyed out and can't be pressed....
[RAZR i General] Burn02:
Did you disabled some application in parameters ==> applications?

Motocare should be enabled for exemple. ;)

I confirm that update has began into France.
[RAZR i General] pstub:
Nope...
[RAZR i General] Lucki_X:
You have to be on stock ROM 4.1.2 Jelly Bean. If no you can't expect any update.
[RAZR i General] pstub:
I am...
[RAZR i General] legeekreveur:
Ah... I'm not x)

Thanks for replying ! :)
[RAZR i General] Hazou:
Most likely the mods are slowing you down. It chacks almost every file when updating. So go back to full stock and try again.
[RAZR i General] nicop91:
Got the notif update, will try tonight.

I am on 91.226001.XT890.Retail.en.EU.

I am willing to try getting you useful files or update extraction if you tell me how within the next hour ^^

I have bootloader unlocked but I went back to stock so no root for me...
[RAZR i General] khaledm_92:
I'm installing the update as I'm writing this. I thought this day would never come LOL. I'll try to give some feedback as soon as I can.

Edit: My phone is a Retail.en.EU version btw
[RAZR i General] kuppenhorst:
Resetting app paramters did the trick. Nows i'm taking the ota.
[RAZR i General] nicop91:
Update went fine ! Now just need to find how to root this new bad boy :D
[RAZR i General] :
Just flash the latest SuperSU zip via recovery.
[RAZR i General] khaledm_92:
OK so quick review:

-lock screen is similar to the stock 4.4 one.

-Dialer and contacts updated. Also similar to stock. Much needed update.

-Clock app is updated to exact one in stock 4.4.

-Camera app is unchanged

-Some google bloat is added like photos, drive, etc. Can be disabled but not uninstalled.

-Quick office updated to the new "google" version

-Stock browser is gone. Only chrome is there now.

-Messaging app also updated.

-Settings menu similar to stock 4.4. Also more fluid, even it was still fast before.

-There's a slight delay when pressing the home button. Not sure why

-In the stock launcher, the stuttering caused by moving to the quick settings page and that caused by the circles widget are both gone.

-One very weird thing is the the navigation and status bars are now completely black instead of being a little transparent (I fixed this once I moved back to Nova by selecting the transparent notification bar option, which is now possible to be enabled. Both bars are now fully transparent. )

-Old TV animation when locking is sadly gone.

-The wifi and 3g icons in the status bar no longer switch color when active. Used to be a useful feature.

-Play music was automatically updated.

-Email app is unchanged.

-Immersive mode is finally available. Useful for such a small screen.

-There's this new service in the settings from motorola that you signup for to help you locate your phone if you lose it. Haven't tested it

-Ram usage is very clearly less than in 4.1

edit: Another thing I noticed is that copying data to the microSD card is possible (This option is not normally available in 4.4)

Can't think of anything else. Overall, though, the interface is very close to stock and is much more fluid and responsive. I obviously moved straight back to Nova since it looks miles better anyway. I can't figure what possibly took them so long them though.

My only issue now is the delay when pressing the home button , which I can't figure what's causing it. Any suggestions would be welcome. [Edit: Doing a factory reset fixed this]
[RAZR i General] nicop91:
Edit: nevermind. I guess my recovery was not compatible with 4.4 or something. Just installed TWRP from here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2278483

Seems to work fine !
[RAZR i General] pstub:
Do you mean app preferences? Can't find app parameters anywhere...

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I just upgraded Motorola Device Manager, and this is the result when it checks for updates:

Freely translated it says:

There are currently no updates available for the unit.

Current version:

91.2.26001.XT890.Retail.en.EU

And, as you can see below, the System updates button is greyed out, and I can't push it... :(
[RAZR i General] kuppenhorst:
I went to settings-apps-all(just scroll left when in apps). Then go to options/app options there and reset apps/app preferences. You can also look if (some) Motorola services are stopped or frozen. These should be (re-)started.

Edit:

Btw my systemversion is 990.43.74.xt890.retail.en.eu

=4.4.2

Build-no: KIA20.74
[RAZR i General] legeekreveur:
OK...i dont update... :(

Or Hazou, are you able to keep it please ? :)
[RAZR i General] xtr3m3:
The Xposed Module ScreenOffAnimation will enable it for you.
[RAZR i General] kamutka:
I wish they have released this OTA a year ago. Finally my Razr I is usable and can be used as my daily handset. It feels much more smooth and solid.

Unfortunately my Razr is quite worn. Front bezel is scratched so as the back cover. Anyone knows where to get these parts?
[RAZR i General] FarGuddu:
Two questions:

1. Any news on the GB version?

2. I don't live in the UK. Will I still receive an OTA update outside the UK?
[RAZR i General] khaledm_92:
I can only answer for this one and the answer is yes, it doesn't matter where you're currently located. My phone is an EU version but I don't live in europe and I still got the update.
[RAZR i General] qubbey:
ebay

But who cares about scratches?
[RAZR i General] AGISCI:
Now to just wait and hope that my carrier puts out the kitkat update. We'll see if claro chile actually does it. If not, am I able to flash the european firmware onto my south american model?
[RAZR i General] Chamelleon:
Yes, You can flash EU 4.1.2 and then download OTA or just flash it through recovery. My main Moto was en.GB but after flashing to en.EU it has EU OTA.
[RAZR i General] mikehr:
Forgive my lack of knowledge on this, but how would I go about "flashing" the EU 4.1.2 from the GB one?
[RAZR i General] Chamelleon:
Download EU full SBF 4.1.2 and flash it through recovery.
[RAZR i General] mikehr:
Where would I find such a file?
[RAZR i General] Chamelleon:
Here is stock en.EU rom in SBF format. Download it, install RSD Lite, install drivers, reboot phone to bootloader (turn off phone, and next put USB cable holding Vol Down ), open RSD, choose file and start. After that You will have official en.EU firmware and You will be able to download official EU OTA.
[RAZR i General] mikehr:
OK thank you, I'll give it a shot once the mega upload link works properly for me :)
[RAZR i General] mikehr:
RSD lite doesn't seem to recognise my Razr I no matter all the different ways I try. Looks like I might just have to wait for the GB OTA to come out :(
[RAZR i General] mikehr:
I get so far then this appears? THoughts anyone?
[RAZR i General] FourOne82:
Wrong version, use RSDlite 6.15+ - otherwise i won't work.
[RAZR i General] FarGuddu:
If all the Roms are identical, then it's worth a try (flashing from GB to EU). I see no signs of a GB update coming out in the near future. I hope I am proved wrong.
[RAZR i General] arisgrc1:
I just flashed from GB to EU...apart from getting all your data erased I see no downside
[RAZR i General] mikehr:
Same here, finally got it to work. ONly downside I see is going from 4.1.2 to 4.4.4 is losing the lock screen animation; everything else is a benefit :o
[RAZR i General] incrazyboyy:
There is also a big thread with all razr i firmwares btw
[RAZR i General] FarGuddu:
Mind posting the link here?

[MENTION=2581648]Chamelleon[/MENTION]: The firmware you posted is Polish (retail)? How different is it from the UK version (retail)?
[RAZR i General] Chamelleon:
It's Retai en.EU but I just add Polish in name of file. I think it's the same as UK except localization.
[RAZR i General] arisgrc1:
Update and short review on 4.4.2

-Cannot find how to disable Google Now,apart from uninstalling the whole thing...so the battery life just flies away

-The memory management is definitely improved,yet it appears to be somewhat choppy when it comes to closing some apps

-Is there any way to change the LED notification light settings?..could not find that one

-the new lock screen...well it was fine on 4.1.2 ..now it's not

-Real reboot app does not work anymore...sad moment
[RAZR i General] ciberbeb:
I didn't find any problem with GNow, I don't use it, so no battery issue there...

The LED notification with different colors has gone since Jelly bean update, you need to use Light Flow app or similar.

What's wrong with the new (vanilla) lock screen? It least it now support widgets!

For others, that did not update already, note that the update process was very long on my device (locked and unrooted).

It was boot looping after flash (stuck at Moto logo), I had to force reboot by holding the power button, and everything was fine after that.
[RAZR i General] mikehr:
Audio output?

Has anyone else noticed that with the 4.4.4 EU update that the output from the audio jack is less or is my imagination? :p:eek:
[RAZR i General] St4mi:
Yay! German o2 provider update has rolled out.

Got the notification...

Stami
[RAZR i General] Chamelleon:
Yes, sound is different. It was known bug in beta but as we can see (hear) it was just corrected, not completely fixed.
[RAZR i General] quicon:
Did it install OK?

my update fails half way through the installation...:mad: