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[Shield General] RoyMi6:
It might also be possible to use Open Broadcast Software (OBS - obsproject.com) to create a local network stream that the second PC could play using something like VLC. If you don't have an Nvidia card to use ShadowPlay and don't want to put your steam on Twitch. OBS also lets you steam to Twitch if you wanted though.

Anyway, I just signed up to say how great Limelight is working for me with my Amazon Fire TV, but I do have three problems and one suggestion.

1) Because the Amazon Fire TV doesn't have a touch screen (duh) it means I can't start games that require mouse input to start it. Examples might be if a uPlay game pops up with a message (although it says pressing A should let me continue but it doesn't) or Battlefeild 4 which uses a browser to start the game. Not tried just plugging a mouse in but as my AFTV is hidden in a cupboard it isn't an ideal solution. A toggle to enable mouse movement with the controller would be amazing.

2) Some people have mentioned it before but I too sometimes get an unresponsive gamepad when starting a game. It works fine in the AFTV menus and limelight menus but once I launch the game it no longer responds. I need to restart my PC and try again to get it working.

3) I've found that to get the most reliable way for it to work I'm best to sign in via the administrator account on my PC and then leave it on the desktop. Allowing the second user for my PC to sign in and then start a Limelight session appears to cause lots of issues. It also appears that remote desktop seems to completely break things and require a complete restart. It would be handy to know if this is a known issue with breaking things or it should be expected to work.

4) Please make it an officially supported Amazon Fire TV application. Apart from the teething issues above it works fantastically and I'm able to play games like Wolf Amoung Us perfectly and Max Payne 3 with acceptable lag.

Apart from that keep up the good work guys!
[Shield General] jeccross:
I think I've mentioned before, but an update that allows drag and drop using the touchscreen would be much appreciated!

I have a note 4 as well, so if you need any more testing let me know (it's snapdragon though and not exynos). Still have the note 2 and mega so can compare if needed.
[Shield General] thefunkygibbon:
just received my new ipega 9025 pad and in ipad mode it works a treat.

couple of questions about the limelight app though if someone could clarify

1) is there any reason why the games, despite showing in my list of games, always try to run in Steam? Some of the games i want to play are DRM free or origin or whatnot, but when i try to run them it just opens the steam store page for that game. :( if GFE detects the game then it surely knows where the .exe is and therefore can run it. why does it need to rely on Steam (unless you are tying into the steam home streaming protocol too)

2) any way of having seperate bitrate options etc for if it detects it as remote or local server? Would be nice for it to know that if i'm playing locally it will auto chose 1080p/10mbps but if i'm remote it will choose 720p/5mbps (for example)
[Shield General] vegeta2:
Hello, i have a german amazon fire tv and sideloaded limelight, connection worked very well (720p 60fps)

and i have an amazon fire game controller.

when i use limelight with an wireless xbox 360 controller, it worked very well, but when i use my afgc then i only can navigate through the menu, but when i start a game, no game reconize the controller :(

in the description of limelight, the afgc is there as useable.

do a anything wrong?

i have read some things in the internet, but all what i have read means that it should work oO.

i hope my english is understandable, thanks for helping =)
[Shield General] hunter99507:
I have a side question for gamestream. I know this probably is not the best place for this question but there are a lot of smart people here.

Basically when I use gamestream and use my ds3 controller android detects the dpad., but when I use gamestream it does not use the dpad. All of the other buttons and sticks work great but not the dpad.

I know it works with limelight no problem but I would like to test out gamestream as well.

Thank you for your help

**one of the reasons I want to try it out is because of limelight input lag. Playing games like Street fighter and injustice you need better input lag.

Video is not a problem but input and sound tend to lag behind.

Specs

Shield portable 8ms decoding

Wired ethernet

Ps3 controller
[Shield General] Eren069:
Tested q few things to improve the streaming...

I prefer to undervolt underclock my device generally, with this setting the streaming do not work fine it lags often.

After i overclock my device, it runs perfekt with no lags and problems. No interferences with my ipega 9023 gamepad and everything works smooth..

:cyclops:
[Shield General] SavellM:
Mouse

Is there any improvements to the mouse coming in the future?

I have a few games like FM15, or Plague inc where mouse support is needed.

But its really flimsy in the app.

Can you include things like double tap and hold to select and drag?

Double finger to right click, and double finger scroll?

That would really make the app great.

And make playing games that only really need mouse support great on the tablet itself.

And then obviously a controller for proper games is a need, but for everything else, better mouse functions would be awesome!
[Shield General] cgutman:
It should work. I have a Fire TV that I can test on with the Fire TV controller. I'll update with my results.

UPDATE: Tested with my stock Fire TV running the latest software update with sideloaded Limelight non-root and the controller worked fine.

Are you using Limelight PC or Android? If you're using Android, are you using rooted or non-rooted?

1) SHIELD has something like this with the latest GFE. I could take a look to see what's required to implement in Limelight.

2) Strange. This seems like a different bug than the other user which did have the Fire TV controller working at all.

3) Yeah, I've known for a while that RDP breaks everything. Surprisingly nobody seems to mention it on Nvidia's forums. I think it's just unsupported by GFE.

4) I tried. When I first launched on the Amazon store, I checked Fire TV. However, it was never launched on Fire TV. When I contacted Amazon, they said they "reserved the right to withhold the app on Fire TV if they think the app doesn't look/work well on TV" (something like that). I somewhat agreed with their opinion. We could use a much more TV-oriented UI (and it's coming soon in 3.0). I'll re-submit 3.0 as a TV-capable app for the Fire TV and Fire TV Stick.

1) I'm not sure why GFE is doing that. You could try adding the executables manually to GameStream in the Preferences tab of GFE.

2) Yes, now that I've got settings rewritten, it's much easier for me to do stuff like this. I don't think I'll do this in the next couple releases. I've got plans for custom controller mapping :)
[Shield General] retardbatman:
Right, keep forgetting you have a PC version up & running as well. I'm using the Android version on both a rooted Nexus 5 & rooted 7 (2013).
[Shield General] Milardo:
Gamescampus games losing mouse/keyboard input?

hi cgutman,

Just wanted to see if you had looked into the issue of gamescampus games like drift city and shot online where once the game starts i lose mouse and keyboard input?
[Shield General] bluegizmo83:
Just woundering if anyone has tried LimeLight on a nice Tegra K1 setup yet, such as the Shield Tablet or the new Nexus 9 tablet? Ive been using LimeLight on my Nexus 5 phone for quite a while now and i love it! I typically get an average client side delay of 30-40ms playing at 720p/60fps/10Mbps and 35-45ms at 1080p/60fps/30Mbps. Those are pretty low lag times if you ask me, barely noticable! PC is wired with gigabit cable and Nexus 5 on 5Ghz wifi via Netgear R6250 router and i always play using my bluetooth Moga Pro gamepad.

The reason I ask about the new Tegra K1 and Limelight is because Im wondering if it would cut down my lag times even more. I know raw power doesnt help Limelight, what helps is how fast the chip can decode the live stream. I would assume the K1 should do this very well sincs Nvidia uses this chip in they're own Shield tablet and it does the same thing, decoding the stream... Anyway, if anyone has tried it with a K1 device like the Nexus 9 or Shield Tablet, id love to know you client side lag times!
[Shield General] Speeko:
I'm getting some lag spikes. Here's the details:

Windows PC with wired connection to Asus RT-AC66U running Shibby Tomato 121

Nexus 5 Connected on 5GHz wifi band running Cyanogenmod M11 & ElementalX kernel

Bluetooth disabled

No other 5GHz SSIDs in my area

Every couple of minutes the video will grind to a halt for about 2-3 seconds, before coming good again. The app advises of packet loss.

It's not completely consistent.

This occurs on every type of resolution/framerate/decoder.

Any ideas on how I might troubleshoot this?
[Shield General] MalaBouM:
Hi I was in the same conditions as you. and I found a solution that works very well for me you can try this.

Turn off completly 2.4ghz capabilities of your routeur ! You can try it's free !, works for me

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[Shield General] thefunkygibbon:
thanks for the reply.

I'm a little bemused by the whole of the packet dropping issue. I'm just reinstalled my (dd-wrt) router and to put all the wireless back to defaults etc to see if it made any difference. it doesnt.

even near to the router it lags out every so often with it complaining of lost packets. this is on a 5ghz N network with little else doing anything on it. If i ping constantly my PC's IP address, it doesn't lose a single packet and all are <15ms.

this is running at <6mbps and at 720p.

Playing in a different room is pretty much impossible and the thought of playing via 3g etc or remotely on a different wireless is looking less and less likely will work. PC is just been upgraded and is connected to the router wired 1000BT.

I've looked through the troubleshooting stuff but nothing seems relevant. Is this the case for most people or is it just me? Would an actual Shield run any better?

also doing a speed test from where i am currently in a couple of rooms away (got about half signal) i get 11mbps up and down to the internet (so should therefore get that much to the PC)
[Shield General] vegeta2:
Hi, have you testet a game? and when yes, wich one?

also steam dosent react :/

Wolfenstein, Crysis 3, Ducktales, all dont work oO

and is there a spezial setting or program on the pc? i only use standard nvidia drivers + geforce experience

Thanks for helping and answering
[Shield General] MalaBouM:
Do you try with ONLY 5ghz actibed on youre router. I have same issu when my routeur is on 2.4 AND 5Ghz channel. Now i have one router to 2.4gh and an ac router only for 5ghz channel. Now i have 0% dropframes with 2 hour of gaming on galaxy s5 with bt controller connected.

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[Shield General] frazman:
Yeah I've been having the exact same issue - every minute or so I get crazy lag for about 4-5 seconds and then it goes away. Its not totally consistent either - sometimes it will be fine for 2-3mins etc.

My setup is Samsung Note 4 with Limelight, and intel i5 gen 4 + geforce gtx670, 5Ghz Virgin Media Superhub. There is no one else using 5Ghz in my wifi area.

I've tried loads of different settings with limelight, pc game settings, router settings (I can't turn off 2.4Ghz, its either this or 5Ghz), non blue tooth controller, and even a different router. I only recently upgraded to a NOTE 4 but had the issue with NOTE 2. I suspect it is a driver update/steam update/ or limelight update which has caused this. Also noticed if you read back a few pages there are a couple of other people with the same issue but no resolve. I've just been waiting on a new driver release/limelight release.
[Shield General] thefunkygibbon:
not really an option seeings as not all of my devices are 5ghz compliant (chromecast etc)

---------- Post added at 03:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:54 PM ----------

yeah, well i have changed back to my superhub2 instead of my netgear dd-wrt router and its no different (although it seems the superhub is a little faster over wireless. so not sure what to do there lol)
[Shield General] HankChill:
I get the exact same issue. I've tried on a Note 2, a Note 3, and a Note 4, and all 3 devices seem to have the same type of crazy lag for a few seconds.

The device has excellent connection to the router on the 5GHz band (Router is an ASUS RT-N66U) and the PC isn't causing the issue (Core i7 3770K, GTX 680).

I even turned down the settings to 720p 30fps, maximum 5Mbit, and the random lag every couple minutes still kicks in.

I own a Shield Tablet as well, and the same lag issues don't occur, which leads me to believe the issue is with Limelight.
[Shield General] cgutman:
You're both right and wrong. There is indeed packet loss occurring on all devices. It's not made up by Limelight.

Shield Hub's GameStream client does several things to deal with packet loss that Limelight doesn't:

1) Use the forward error correction (FEC) data packets to attempt to recover a frame where only 25% or less was dropped over the network. The stream continues with no hiccups at all in this case.

2) Use reference frame invalidation to avoid requesting a completely new IDR frame each time a frame is dropped that can't be recovered via 1)

3) Downscale the resolution when enough packet losses occur.

As far as the reason Limelight doesn't do this:

1) We don't understand what algorithm Nvidia is using to generate the FEC data. Any help here by someone experienced in this would be greatly appreciated.

2) I've tried doing this but it always seems to lead to video stream artifacts, even on Nvidia devices. I need to investigate more because there must be something I'm missing. Right now, we request a new key frame when we lose a frame. As a result, the next frame isn't displayed until 1.5 round trips at minimum. That results in the visible video stutter that you see.

3) We can sort of do this today, but many people actually like the fact that Limelight never deviates from the specified resolution.

I think if I'm able to solve 2, we'll be much better off. Solving 1 would be nice too, but I haven't made much headway.
[Shield General] vegeta2:
Have installet drivers for nvidia new and installet latest limelight new.

now it workes, thanks for answering =)
[Shield General] MalaBouM:
Hello, I'm not saying that your router is bad, I even bought me a DIR860 I paid 130 € and up the I was rather disappointed to see that I still had these losses frames.

I take almost one year prior to challenge my router, but now the facts are.

Here are 2 minutes of lan monitor with my computer connected to the 5GHz band with the network 2.4ghz enable.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj6qscmx9061ga9/Screenshot_2014-11-07-08-11-37.jpg?dl=0

and now same condition but 2.4ghz disabled...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tv9z7z7b2zze2hc/Screenshot_2014-11-07-08-09-54.jpg?dl=0

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[Shield General] frazman:
Thanks for the detailed reply - the only thing I find strange is that I didn't seem to have the issue a few months ago.

Cheers,

Fraser

---------- Post added at 09:18 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:14 AM ----------

I understand what you are saying - but I don't have the option to disable 2.4Ghz - its a radio button between this and 5Ghz. I've tried both and get the same 3-4 second lag every few minutes.

Cheers,

Fraser
[Shield General] MalaBouM:
hi on your router you have this option ! butt no hardware button to make this. You must open your web brother and type 192.168.2.1 for acces at your admin page.

check this site:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/reviews/76-asus-rt-n66u.html

good luck

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[Shield General] frazman:
Hi - thats not the router I have - I have a Virgin Media Superhub (Cable broadband provider in the UK) - the router is pretty much locked down, and I've been through all the options on the admin page (192.168.0.1).

Cheers,

Fraser
[Shield General] HankChill:
That's a great detailed explanation. I find it awesome that you and your colleagues work on this on your spare time and offer it up for free, you must love your community :)

Let me know if you take feature requests :angel:
[Shield General] thefunkygibbon:
Are you still using the old v1 Superhub or the relatively newer (ie in the last 2 years) v2? I've got the latter and in my normal wireless settings page I have the option to untick either of the wireless bands.
[Shield General] frazman:
Its the v1 superhub I have and its just a radio button as per screenshot here:

http://screenshots.portforward.com/routers/Virgin_Media/Super_Hub_2/Wireless_Radio.jpg

Cheers,

Fraser
[Shield General] SavellM:
Hi guys,

I'm sure this has probably been asked before.

But I've just joined and dont really want to read through 160 pages.

Please let me know, and sorry for being a pest.
[Shield General] Dakotan:
Pair Forget Issue

Has the issue with limelight needing to be paired every time been fixed?
[Shield General] HankChill:
I don't think that issue was with limelight, but with GeForce experience that caused pairings to drop after a restart of anything.

Either way, I have no issues with it remembering my pairings.
[Shield General] cgutman:
Beta Testing Group

I've created a beta testing group for Limelight Android. Join the community and click the beta opt-in link to get beta builds.

The first beta build of version 3.0 is rolling out to beta right now. It has a much nicer UI and new iconography. Please report any bugs you find in the beta build in the G+ community.

Beta community: https://plus.google.com/communities/106999234463232285067
[Shield General] LadyBrecky:
Anybody who can't pair read this it might fix your problem.

So after 2 weeks of trying to fix the issue of not being able to pair (No pop-up dialog to enter the code would ever come up) I found a post deep in the GeForce forums that fixed it.

Go to your Nvidia control panel, go to the top menu and select desktop, enable "Show Notification Tray Icon".

That was all it was, that fixed it. Try it, it might fix your issue.
[Shield General] MalaBouM:
Hi, it's a good news !

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[Shield General] Attreyu:
Mouse double click

I have a small issue - when connected to the laptop - double click doesn't work. Using Windows Desktop mode - adding the RDP process to the list of apps in Geforce experience.
[Shield General] the_jako:
Wow the covers in the new limelight are great!

Thanks for your hard work!!
[Shield General] IrisNebula:
SSL library error

I just found Limelight, installed it but it doesn't work...

It is able to find my computer but it came up with an error when selecting it, it seems to be a SSLv3 related one.

When selecting my brother's PC it gives me a 404 (which I guess is normal as he does not have GFE installed -- or an nVidia GPU at all for that matter).

I tried the root version (both 2.9 and 3.0b1) on CM11s (Android 4.4.4) and I am running GFE 2.1.4.0 on Windows 7 x64
[Shield General] HankChill:
Well limelight *does* work, because it works great for me and many others. Given that it's an android application, the author can't make sure it works on absolutely everything.

Did you try googling that error? It sounds like something that would have more to do with something the Rom rather than a limelight issue.
[Shield General] xxxMUKxxx:
I have same error after update to newest Nvidia drivers and Geforce experience SW,

before updates all works fine
[Shield General] IrisNebula:
I did of course google that first but came up empty. I am mostly sure this is GFE's fault as version 2.1.4.0 was just pushed as an update and although it doesn't say anything about an SSL change, I believe they did indeed change something and the SSL lib included in Limelight needs to be updated.

I have never tried it with an earlier GFE version as this update was exactly what reminded me to search for a GameStream app ;)
[Shield General] cgutman:
I think I know why this is happening and it should be an easy fix. Hopefully they didn't make any other changes. I would suspect they didn't given that there was no SHIELD Hub update as far as I'm aware.

I'll take a look when I get home today.
[Shield General] HankChill:
I didn't update yet so maybe that's why mine still works :D

I find Nvidia tends to break more than they fix with each update.
[Shield General] AlconchelSG:
The same error with the new Nvidia update

I have the same error. Any idea?
[Shield General] aonavy:
im in the same boat as everyone else
[Shield General] jpsiemer:
My new favorite app for my Android TV. Thanks so much guys!
[Shield General] RoiPourpre:
I have the same problem :(
[Shield General] millerajm:
New GeForce Issue

Hello,

Like others, I just recently updated GeForce, and now have issues with Limelight (kinda sad since my OTG connector should be here soon, haha).

I know you're aware of this issue and working on an update, so I just figured I would report my error message, in case it would be helpful.

Updated to GeForce Game Ready Driver 344.65, I can connect to my computer (not remotely however) and can even retrieve game list, but when trying to start any app, I get this message:

javax.net.ssl.SSLProtocolException: SSL handshake aborted: ssl=0x7a61bb60: Failure in SSL library, usually a protocol error error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure (external.openssl/ssl/s23_clnt.c:741 0x72f417e8:0x00000000)

Hope this helps, good luck, and thanks for your awesome work on this!
[Shield General] brainbowsix:
Same problem. I have latest Nvidia drivers on my laptop with GTX 760M.

Trying with samsung galaxy S5 and Galaxy S4 and got the message javax.net.ssl.SSLProtocolException: SSL handshake aborted: ...

The problem become only with the new geforce experience Version: 2.1.4.0?
[Shield General] drewstopher:
HELP!!!!

Same problem... will rolling back the driver help? or use a previous version of Geforce Experience? let me know a fix please!

javax.net.ssl.SSLProtocolException: SSL handshake aborted: ssl=0x75ce6690: Faliure in SSL library, usually a protocol error error:14077410:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alerthandshake faliure(external/openssl/ssl/s23_clnt.c:741 0x7338ed74:0x00000000)
[Shield General] Gonik:
I've just installed limelight on my Ouya for the first time. It found my PC automatically but as soon as I try to connect to it i get this error message:

javax.net.ssl.SSLProtocolException: SSL handshake aborted:
ssl=0x635591b0: Failure in SSL library, usually a protocol error
error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:
sslv3 alert handshake failure (external/openssl/ssl/s23_clnt.
c:740 0x40d1f83e:0x00000000

As i've seen some other people also have similar problems, so i don't think it's just me.

Using Nvidia Drivers v344.65, GeForce Experience v2.1.4.0
[Shield General] MalaBouM:
For now you can uninstall gfe 2.1.4 and install previous driver 344.18 and just install gfe 2.1.3.0. It s worked for me you just have to restart pairing

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[Shield General] UUK3:
With the new update from Playstore everything works fine.

Really a very nice app.

Would be cool if there will be a touchscreen mode for games like Civilization.

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[Shield General] nk33:
if you root your device, you can use touchscreeen by installing the root version.

root your device easily by checking the threads & video out here: http://xdaforums.com/lg-g3#root
[Shield General] UUK3:
Thank you I already use the rooted app with a rooted device :)

But I only see a mouse. Game works fine. Would like to have touch only mode. Like on Splashtop or Teamviewer. Maybe I haven't find the settings for it.

Keep on the very good work.

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