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[Galaxy S 4 General] dannyella:
As a noob, here are my thoughts regarding the topic.

1) Samsung's customers are average users who don't care about modifying their phones...we here, only make a very small percentage of their customers.

2.)We all know that modifying our phones voids warranty and being able to revert back in the past as someone has said was incompetence from samsung's side.

3.) Neither knox warraty void nor bit warranty prevents us from doing what we want on our phones, we can still use them as normal and flash stuffs only that we get no warranty for them should we end up messing our phones in doing so. This makes sense because it only right that manufacturer should not be held responsible for user's carelessness.

4.) There many people out there who would get the s 4 or note 3 primarily because of knox due to extra security features it brings. These people have no interest in modyfing phones. Many arguments against android OS is mostly regarding security issues. All these security features samsung has implented will definitely attract some security freaks.

I don't think samsung is becoming like apple merely because they trying to cover up some loopholes that exist in the past.

I think it's good step, but not for everyone which is why I too will never buy any samsung device..lol :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
Well let's say not the whole samsung users go on xda and mess around with rooting and roms i would say ~15-20% only do that.. most people don't know anything about rooting stuffs, that's just my opinion but i may be wrong..

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i agree with your statements :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] dannyella:
What are you saying? Phone works as intended. It is usable out of the box. S 4 is very much able to handle all bloats it comes with. Moreso, It is assumed that you have considered all the bloatware before buying your device...fyi, what you consider bloat is not bloat for someone else, hence samsung cannot make a device tailored to each and everyone's specific needs.

And for the overheating issue, that i can say is samsung's fault. I took mine for replacement which they accepted, no questions asked.
[Galaxy S 4 General] younus_malik:
not sure about the paid Samsung employees posting here in the favor of the Samsung's filth but this has really pissed me off too and yes this is my very last Samsung plastic crap... i am really now cursing myself for not buying HTC one
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
Why didn't you buy the oppo find 5 ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] dannyella:
Funny enough now that many people are aware of knox stuffs..they would still go ahead and buy the note 3.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DjeMBeY:
Yeah, Sony is very clear about it.. Good thing is that Z1 can be rooted without unlocking BL! :) Same applies to Custom recovery and ROMs based on Stock FW. Unlocked BL is needed only for Custom Kernel... Great thing is that you can backup TA partition and after that you can unlock or re-lock BL whenever you want. For example, unlock it and you can use CM or any other AOSP based ROM and if you need to send it in, flash Stock FW, restore your TA partition and BL will be locked again. Simple as that... :p

At the moment, there is issue with camera (won't focus) if you unlock BL on Z1... Sony is aware of this and they working on it... fingers crossed.

BTW, I'm very happy and pleased with Sony Customisation, different than Sammy and more professional feeling... IMHO.. LAG-FREE!!! :p

Sent from my C6903
[Galaxy S 4 General] negrobembon:
Xperia Z1? now im jelly, i love that phone, i wish i could buy it but after buying the S4 for 800$ i will have to wait till next year(perhaps the z2 might be released)
[Galaxy S 4 General] a67q:
Why? A lot of why's from my side.

I have been huge fan of Samsung since 1989 when my family bought a colour TV and there are a lot of their devices since then in my home.

The I9500 that I own now is sixth Samsung phone I have. And only first one I had ( gsmarena.com/samsung_r210-290.php )

was, let's say a complete phone without any bug. Next one was c100 and besides good looking and cool sound I was very

frustrated by it because somehow it could not reproduce .jpg files that I have downloaded.

Next was x700, was very cool phone but suddenly it's antenna got broken so I sold it for small amount of money.

Then after few Nokia's, I have had Galaxy S1 and short after S2. Plenty of bugs, but I was still more less satisfied with them. Poor guy.

Last one I9500 I bought abroad for 600e on very first week it appeared on the market. Very good amount of money for salaries in my country that are 300e in average. And from the very first day I was not satisfied how it worked with lags and bugs, always having in mind that the phone is overpriced. I was hoping the last 4.3 upgrade will eventually solve all those sh+tty problems, but NO. Furthermore now I have more bugs and freezings of the phone 'Unfortunaltely TouchWiz has stopped... or Vitamio has stopped... or camera stopped....' To open camera it takes 5 bloody seconds, not to mention all other bugs that makes me sick.

So to cut long story short, I have been a strong opponent of Apple phones and their global philosophy, but after all sad experience with Samsung I am pretty sure i will turn my back on them finally. If not Apple then HTC or Sony. Such a pity what fools they are making of customers.

And in the end not to mention their fabulous software - Kies and all their previous versions. Truly amazing experience Samsung, thank you so much.
[Galaxy S 4 General] concesca:
i think samsung still the best now
[Galaxy S 4 General] medo2_0:
I will never buy samsung galaxy again not because of knox add but cuz of the cheap material and the heat... my galaxy s4 burning up when i play games as of my galaxy s2 i think samsung just want to product lots of phones without thinking that one phone with great material and stability is worth it !!
[Galaxy S 4 General] ewerthon_jp:
i won't buy samsung smatphones anymore, the plast sh... material, and now this knox? i only want to do what i always did in android: root, flash custom recovery, delete bloatwares, install an audiomod and a theme mod. none of my 4 previous android smartphones broken because of these modifications, and i need warranty because i sell my mobiles before it ends.

so samsung, take your knox and go to the same place that i want apple in: HELL!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
That is non-sense. You can't possibly be making that comparision, yet it's the 3rd or 4th time you write this here.

When you buy a notebook or PC, you pay separate for the Operating System and the hardware. In most cases you have the choice. Here in Brazil, the invoice lists the OS and the hardware as different products when it comes to computers.

All the terms you agree to, including Microsoft's, have to do ONLY with the software. At no point the agreements prevent you from fidling with the hardware.

When you buy a phone, you're buying an entirely different thing: you're buying a solution, a combination of software and hardware, each matched to each other. When you agree with the terms, you agree not to mess with the hardware AND the software.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
I

I don t know how in brazil works. In europe is different.

Microsoft has a big problem here with the locked bootloadres preventing installation of other os.

There's a lawsuit in Brussels against them from open software institution.

You can't compare the laws from different regions if you know what I mean.

In the eula you can type everything that you want. On the end there are laws the are over every eula.

And thats not true about buying a computer with the software. Here you ca go to the store and tell the seller you don't want the os. Only the computer. And they sell you without os with the 2 year warranty ;)

And my friend like it or not I've posted the European directive about rooting or changing. Just read one or two posts before. Law is law.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
Well, let's talk about EULAs and you comparision:

When in Microsoft's EULA does it state that you cannot remove Windows and install Linux?

When in a Dell /HP/Lenovo notebook/desktop EULA does it state that you cannot remove the original software?

In Canada, US, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and several other countries, when you buy a PC computer with pre-loaded OS, the invoice ALWAYS state the OS as being a separate product, simply because it comes from a different manufacturer. In NONE of these the EULAs are the same for the hardware and the software.

In phones, there is only one EULA and you agreed to it. it is your problem if you didn't read or didn't understand.

Legally, Samsung covered its ass. Period. There is no sense in comparing apples to oranges like you were doing with the "remove Windows and install Linux" comparision.

I am as pissed off with Samsung as anyone here, and I really wish they'd rethink their position, or maybe someone will hack this KNOX crap and **** Samsung in the ass. I hope so.

Meanwhile, I know it is MY problem, and my problem alone, that my warranty got void.

Each country has its own set of laws, but most western (Europe & America) countries have laws based on the first Greek and Roman laws, and they had a principle that is:

IGNORANTIA JURIS NON EXCUSAT​

It means that ignorance of the laws or rules is not an excuse to commit any crime/felony/etc. That applies to us all: we agreed to Samsung's EULA, so we're bound by its terms.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Banggugyangu:
This thread gave me a lot of LOLz. No android phone by any top manufacturer has EVER retained warranty while software modified. Take the OG Droid. This phone had one of the longest lifetimes of all android devices (rivaled only by the mytouch), had probably the largest amount of developer support, and was completely open. Guess what... You root and flash, you lose your warranty.

2: Being a locked bootloader or having a trip flag like Knox DOES NOT mean you can't flash custom ROMs. It just means that you have to bootstrap a custom recovery for the locked bootloader or you lose your warranty if you trip the flag. Deal with it.

3: Voiding a warranty is NOT illegal. It DOES NOT make someone a "thief" like someone claimed... That was a ridiculous post and the writer of it should be ashamed for such accusations. That said, attempting to cash in on a warranty that is void is dishonest. If you're turned away, you have no basis for rebuttal. If you are honored wrongly, you're taking advantage of negligence. It's not a legal matter, but a moral matter.

4: Android is open source. Google Apps are closed source. Google does not require locked down ROMs in order to support Google Apps. There are requirements to use them, but they mainly fall on device specs as opposed to software. If this wasn't true, you WOULD NOT see Google releasing packages of said apps for AOSP ROMs. What isn't necessarily open source, though, is the code for the device kernels. This is released by the manufacturers per their own prerogative. The only exceptions are Google Experience devices. Google requires that these devices be open bootloaders with open source kernels. Examples of these are the OG Droid, Motorola Xoom, all Nexus devices, etc...

5: Closed platforms aren't "better". iOS isn't a "better perfoming" platform. I have an iPad 3. I got it for pro audio apps because the ones on Android are awful or non-existant. It has its issues. It has app crashes, apps that just don't work, system problems, etc... The difference: fixes to the problems are 100% dependant on the app devs to fix the individual app issues and Apple to fix the system issues. Community devs can't make ROMs for it that fix the more serious issues that Apple hasn't touched. Furthermore, Apple us notorious for ignoring issues altogether. They publicly pretend the issue doesn't exist then eventually release a ninja patch for it. The other key thing... I can't live without SwiftKey... Say goodbye to any custom keyboards if you move to a closed platform.

The whole premise of this thread was ludicrous, and most of the replies have been equally so...
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
The whole premise of this thread was ludicrous, and most of the replies have been equally so...

Why did you reply then?

I find it a nice and informative discussion... Is good to exchange ideas even if they are not the same as ours.

And it´s also good to elucidate people about they re rights and behavior of brands.

I agree with many things you wrote but I don´t think this thread is a circus.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Banggugyangu:
The majority of this thread was akin to conspiracy theory crafting...
[Galaxy S 4 General] RossFixxed:
If I put a tank of nitrous in my car and burn out the engine ... No warranty. If I over clock and burn my cpu... No warranty. We can use stupid analogies all day.

You guys were lucky with triangle away but any phone I've rooted had been void and no resetting counters possible. That's the risk you take.

I understand your anger, but you are fully informed with every rom that you void your warranty, usually in a massive font. That's the risk, we all know it. Throwing toys out of the pram makes us all look bad and I'm shocked at the ignorance of some posts.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Posting a law that clearly says root and modify your phone doesn't void warranty is ignorance?

Hummm... are you one of many Samsung employes that are comment around?
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Most useless butthurt thread I have read in a long time. Few trolls will keep on harping on anything. There are few guys who are always negative about each and everything in life. They find it tough to think positive about anything. Some of them it's it's a matter of ideology, whereas people forget that it's just a phone which in true sense costs hardly anything.

Don't like Samsung, good. Burn it, shoot it, and get something else. Nobody forced you to get Samsung in first place. Your life will be better if you get some other mobile. So why waste your time and everyone else's time?

Really retarded..

/rant

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YES.. He is the nephew of Kwon Oh Hyun, CEO of Samsung Electronics.

Anything else? Do you want his phone number and house address now?
[Galaxy S 4 General] RossFixxed:
Ooo yes please! Ha! :)

I've got a few android devices and they ALL have flaws, and they are the fur discussion as many here have done. It is the butthurt, childish, uninformed rubbish that clog any decent discourse. Then you get idiots like me wading in and NOBODY WANTS THAT!

By the way my s4 is my day to day phone, personally I love it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Banggugyangu:
First... I said majority, not entirety. Secondly, any time a government gets involved in commercial policies, you're bordering on socialism, which obviously worked so well in the past. Governments should stay out of company policies and procedures. There's commercial abuse, which shouldn't happen, and then there's the company abuse. A company's policies and procedures should be in place to prevent company abuse (where a consumer is able to abuse the "goodwill" of a company). Going beyond that (e.g. relinquishing all reasonable liability beyond purchase) falls under commercial abuse. The extent of government involvement should be preventing either of those situations (which is what the federal trade commission does in the US). Dictating what actions will and will not void a warranty is direct government involvement which stifles commercialism.

Furthermore, in those countries where governments have dictated such socialistic laws, those laws should be able to be withheld in court. In a situation where a device shows such a moniker of warranty, if a manufacturer does not disregard it, that's what court is for.

For the US (arguably the largest market in question), we do have a law about this... The paraphrased law is this: Unlocking/jailbreaking/rooting a phone is not grounds for service termination nor legal action, HOWEVER, it is grounds for a voided warranty.
[Galaxy S 4 General] difyel:
Long gone the days of the laissez faire approach. A good read is Crisis Economics: A Crash Course in the Future of Finance you can find it @ Amazon.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
In Europe we don´t call that Socialsm, we call this freedom of choice and rights. We don´t need lessons from the other side of the atlantic thanks ;)

Nevertheless, as human hates the truth, preferring to believe lies, calls it 'conspiracy theories' and blithely continues to put his head on the block ...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Banggugyangu:
LMFAO "freedom of choice"? When your government depicts company policy for private businesses (such as samsung), that's not "freedom of choice". In that regard, Samsung has officially lost its freedom to choose its warranty practices. And yet again... socialism is an economic system where the government has direct influence. Sound familiar? That's essentially what you described.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Is Socialism so bad? I like it, it protects me against people that only see profit!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Banggugyangu:
The concept comes from good intentions, however it has never, and likely will never be a successfully implemented idea. The main reasons? It stifles competition and rewards those who put forth less effort while punishing those who put forth more effort.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RossFixxed:
I think we're done here. Anyone not going for a Samsung and getting a new phone I hope you love your new device, pop by and let us know how it's going and what features have really stood out for you!
[Galaxy S 4 General] n0ble:
I personally think that this makes next to 0 difference for the people that MUST have a custom ROM on their new Galaxy.

It's simple if they want to install a Custom rom then they will, no matter what the vendor does to prevent it.

The more the vendor attempts to prevent it, the harder the backlash and resistance will be to getting that custom rom onto the phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] difyel:
well good news for those jumping ship , the nexus 5 was finally released , i like its price tag 400 $ for a killer processor and 32 gb of ram .
[Galaxy S 4 General] n0ble:
Well not really.

LG and Samsung like to operate in a similar fashion, so will be a matter of time before trend follows.
[Galaxy S 4 General] YoungAceAtlanta:
So is the OP trying to start a petitions to make people not buy Samsung anymore? or are you guys trying to just say Samsung sucks for blah reason but still using your S4s and Note 3s?

Reading this thread isn't going to stop me from buying a S5 or Note 4 in the future. These rants are so annoying because what is the goal at the end of the day? You not going to get a amens when you are surround around a bunch of people here who love their devices.

This is like walking into a bar and say how bad beer taste
[Galaxy S 4 General] difyel:
maybe he s just voicing his displeasure with Samsung , or maybe it s just a way for him to blow some steam . Or perhaps it s just a thread of the type buyers be aware . we had few of them around here like the defective battery thread . or even better he just wants his smartphone to be perfect and as such he s providing feedback . the only valid question is what is Samsung going to do about that ?

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let s not judge the intentions but the facts . i have a nexus 7 and i m actually pretty happy with it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] n0ble:
Well it is a fact that LG & Samsung operate in a similar fashion. Both businesses are close.

I have Samsung & LG products and love them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] difyel:
your arguments fail on so many levels . philosophically u are lost in definitions . from ancient Greece to modern times , freedom was viewed to mean to do what is right . if one doesn t want to be free then we have to force him to be free as stated by Rousseau's social contract . but this is extremism won't you agree ? yet you try to pass the extremist point of view of laissez faire as something actual where in fact it s not.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Banggugyangu:
This isn't a philosophical debate... a statement was made regarding what is a textbook definition of a socialistic practice. The question was proposed "is socialism so bad?" I made the statement that socialism has not had, and will likely never have a successful implementation. A capitalistic economy has always proven to be the most thriving. Sure it has ups and downs, but its ups are more than its downs. Either way, it's a total digression from the topic at hand. The OP was moaning about his displeasure of losing his warranty when soft-modding his phone. Per the warranty agreement, there's nothing wrong that that... and it's how all android phones by major manufacturers have been since the beginning. That should be the end of the discussion.

And for a prime example of how socialism fails and capitalism doesn't, let's look at Samsung's home and their neighbors/kinsmen. South Korea has a very thriving economy with a respectable GDP. This GDP in 2012 was 5000% higher than the puny GDP of North Korea.
[Galaxy S 4 General] pitbull112233:
same +1
[Galaxy S 4 General] difyel:
well well where to start from . ok let s start from a statement ... till korea , i have actually mentioned a book earlier called bad Samaritans the myth of free trade and the secret history of capitalism which explains simply and clearly in laymen terms that far from embracing capitalism south korea bloomed by protectionism , government intervention and socialism just to be pedantic. it goes on debunking other myths as well , so it s definitely a great read . concerning what this is well we are enjoying some thought interaction so we can classify it as philosophical .
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slicktune:
So no one going to acknowledge my 3-5 essay tho? Lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Get some reading comprehension before making pompous rebuttals like this. Anybody who has ever used TriangleAway or other methods to regain a stock appearance of their device, to be able to send to service centres, have committed theft of service by deception.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bodoma:
Haha. It's funny because the second part of your first sentence actually applies to you in the first part of that same sentence. That's impressive, if it was on purpose.

I wonder though, do Samsung explicitly state that you cannot use flash counter resets?
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
I love your kernel on my s3. Also this body biased story. It balanced my sh... s3 that is known for is bad management. Guys like you save lots of devices from dying do to bad plaming construction and so on.

Why the heck do you defend the opposite?
[Galaxy S 4 General] dsecareanu:
Because he understands what's right and wrong based on the entire context we're talking about? And because one doesn't nullify/cancel the other?

All this discussion is about people not assuming their decision: voiding warranty on a device, based on the rules of the game as they have been setup between Samsung as a seller and you as a buyer (and which they tacitly accepted when they purchased the device, which no one forced them to).

It's like dropping a phone and breaking its screen, but changing the outside cover (as it's cheaper) so that it doesn't look like it has been dropped, but rather as a manufacturing fault (yeah the example is extreme and not the best, but I hope you get the idea). Another example would be the one given by others, with hardware fried because of wrong flashed software...
[Galaxy S 4 General] harise100:
In terms of law, Andrei Lux might be correct, but it sux.

In download mode, flashing a custom Rom is explicitly stated as an option. So if I don't fry my SOC by over clocking or the like, my warranty should not void.

But I guess I will end up with the S5 anyway, because Samsung makes the best hardware.

IMHO.