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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] NighthawkXL:
This thread is from 2013, and it's referring to the old MDL firmware. Your on NC1, which came out nearly a year after this was posted... the reason your phone is softbricked is because any loki-based recoveries,etc do not work on devices MF3+. Your want to check out this thread to get help in restoring your device. Remember, next time to look at the date of the posting and to read around the forums before trying to modify your device if you are unsure what you are suppose to be doing.

Your need to use Odin, to flash your phone back to stock NC1. It's in the thread I linked above....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Lt1streconbn:
I'm not soft bricked lol... I'm trying to figure out how far I can push it without that happening :) I have su in /system/xbin & /system/bin... Long story but I needed it there while I was restricted to root access only in terminal emulator for a few hours getting Knox to take a nap. I have learned new respect for that dang little app!!!! I actually got full root without PC/Linux support :) In 4.4.2 that's... Probably the reason's Knox never saw it happening lol I'm still messed on recovery besides safe strap unfortunately, but I'll take SuperSU over towelroot or safe root any day ;) I grabbed a nap and I'm deodexing my system apps and framework now. I was kinda excited and didn't notice the date... Ty for the help, but Ialready have stock firmware I'd need. I'll head over to the newer thread... I actually have an idea on the boot loader from the decompiled Knox file I've gone thru. The boot loader IS locked, but we have a very limited exploit. Knox has been revamped five times that I caught I believe, and it ridiculously still had the ability to safely uninstall itself like it done early on lol. Crazy! Anyhow tks... I'll head over there. This was just funnier than when I found 'vold 2.0 the vengence' rofl
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] lisa1982:
Hello Guys,

Today, I finally got my new MDA Vario - which is an upgrade to my MDA compact (Magician).

One thing that is really bothering me is the fact that when I used the Magician - I always used the speed dial function using only one hand:

First push is the green dial button and the second push is the down arrow. This was extremely convenient.

Is this possible to do with the Wizard??? if not - then this would be extremely inconvenient for me.

I hope you guys can help

Thanks,

Lisa
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] sirox:
No, in WM5 for some silly reason they removed this very convenient "shortcut".

I have to say though that the Speed Dial button on the screen is very large, and it can be pressed one handed quite easily. Still it is a big waste not to use the d-pad whenever possible.

This is where Microsoft needs to learn from Palm big time: one-handed usage using d-pad.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
I think that could be a good idea to post the lower voltages that are stable for our devices.

And post the CPU bin for see how much it affects the voltages. :rolleyes:

Binning info can be found at /d/acpuclk/pvs_bin

PD: I can't post mine yet...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Why cant you post yours yet?

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
Because I haven't found my stable values yet :D

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
Mine is 3. Can this be changed to 4 for an undervolt without custom kernel? And what is the "boost_UV"? That has value of 0.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Im wondering too. I was under the impression that the pvs is constant. Doesnt change.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
I have the same values.

And not, the binning can not be change, cause it is a hardware "problem".

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
From my understanding if you have a 3 you are good to go. Pvs is from 0 to 6. I have 0 which is the worst one. It is very sensitive to over clocking and especially under volting. The higher the better. Right?

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
I won't like to have that pin then. And yes, the bigger the better always :D

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] lm that guy:
I have mine under volted by -50 very stable. I stressed the cpu using setcpu for 5 minutes. No errors.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
i've been running uv at -75mv across the board @ bin 3. -100mv and i rebooted in less than 5 mins. if i don't have any problems with this i am probably not going to push it. even though i haven't been into modding and stuff the last year android is so good i only go after battery life really. all about stability more than anything really. eager to see what bin 5 and 6's get though.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Thats awesome. I havent uved yet im waiting for Trickster mod to get updated so I can use it. Its my fav kernel app. I know I can use others like set cpu, ad tuner, etc. I just love trickster. Im sure at -5 ill be rebooting with my big 0. Lol I feel the same way tho Sammy did an awesome job with this phone aside from all the bugs speed and stability wise. Im just looking for battery, stability and smoothnes now.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
Set CPU not working for voltages BTW. Actually I am very disappointed with Samsung on this round of touchwiz. On the international note2 there was black theming everywhere, a looot less bugs and I am still running 4.1.1 because battery is so much better than .2 update. This 4.3 has white theming everywhere, lots of frustrating bugs, specially for T-Mobile WiFi call users and I guess coming from int'l note2 the battery easily smokes the note3. I didn't have LTE so all the users saying battery life is much better are coming from USA LTE note2's and running 4.1.2. The int'l note2 felt so optimized. And the tabbed settings drive me up the wall, especially because you can't swipe between tabs. I hope Samsung comes through with some good updates. Still love the phone though. Samsung needs to get on software nav button bandwagon already and stop copying apple. They've left apple in the dust and it's apparent their balls are getting much bigger with the region lock and id chips they're fixing to put in accessories. What is next?

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Lol...I actually havent had any bugs to speak of, wifi and everything else has been working as it should. Im also pretty happy with my battery getting 36hrs with 6.5 screen time and using it moderately. My n2 I had everything blacked out including all of my apps from TBO but on this phone I actually like the white themeing. Its different for a change. We have plenty of awesome themers here on xda that will take care of that anyway. I guess its a matter of preference and taste. I guess I got lucky with my unit as I see a lot of issues and variation between these new n3s. Im pretty sure most of it will be resolved in future updates and great roms.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] lm that guy:
I have a pvs bin of 4
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
Did you try to undervolt your Note 3 ?

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] lm that guy:
Yes, I can go all the way up to -62.5 across with pvs 4. Anything lower is a reboot.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
Wich are your stock voltage values ? To compare with my pvs 3.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] CalcProgrammer1:
Awesome, mine's a 3! I haven't flashed a new kernel or recovery yet though, want to keep warranty valid until CM or other AOSP ROMs come out.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Good point. Custom kernels will have different voltage values per mhz out of the box. So a starting point is really needed for comparing purposes.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
No. Not custom kernels. Different PVS values will have different voltage table. I think I am @640/950 for my 300/2300mhz currently. Add 75mv to my current values and mine are running @ 715/1025mv stock.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
I think that both are saying different things but you didn't understand him x'D

Thanks for the info, I have pvs 3 too, my stock voltages are [MENTION=1987806]775[/MENTION](300MHz)/1025(2300MHz)

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
775/1100 on Lean Kernel. Not sure what mybstock is. Gonna flash it back tonight and see. Im going to mess with the uv on my current kernel and see where my braking point is. Love to see if it would be similar to another pvs 0 user.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
Ok, I am posting my current voltages that seems estable ( i have clocked with 2'3 GHz max, so don't pay attention in higher voltages )

Waiting for others doing the same :P

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
I think that is your stock. Unless the kernel is pre uv'ed, which I doubt since there can be a big discrepancy with different pvs's.

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So far PVS 4= 715/1025mv

PVS 3= 775/1025 and

PVS 0= 775/1100. All these are stock values. Anybody with different pvs's feel free to add.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] benefit14snake:
Hurray! I have a 4. Got screwed with my note 2. Glad I have a decent chip with this one. Will post voltage later.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] DriftorX:
Where do you find this pvs value at?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] XxLostSoulxX:
I have a 3 however I can under volt to 715 and lower.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] systoxity:
It's in op
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] DriftorX:
Thanks. Found it. Would it also be the same as in this photo next to processor 3?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] nakedtime:
My bin is 2

Hi all.

Is higher or lower bin number better?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
Higher is better. It goes from 0 to 6.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] nakedtime:
Awww alrighty. I guess I have a Lil higher defect concentration.

No worries. Shouldn't be more than a 25mv difference I'd have to think.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
Right, if you read a few post before you would see that there isn't much more diferent.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Thats crazy. What kernel?

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
I am using leankernel like you.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] gonnapushthru06:
These are mine and running amazingly stable, fast at 2.7 and still have great battery life since I changed the settings on the governor control for ondemand

Wicked v2

Lean 0.9b
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
And what pvs do you have ?

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] gonnapushthru06:
3
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] slice2011:
Pvs is 2
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] OPGT:
How do I find my bin number??
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
Read the thread? Been stated at least twice.

sent from my SM-9005T.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] XxLostSoulxX:
(root) /d/acpuclk/pvs_bin open with text editor
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] lm that guy:
Currently experimenting... Had all 4 cores going in lower voltages going [MENTION=282156]700[/MENTION]. Seems stable.. Bin4
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Any reason why you go down in voltage as you go up in mhz between 111 and 119?

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
He might've manually uv'ed and missed one.

sent from my sm-900t.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] XxLostSoulxX:
Believe it or not some voltages and frequencies don't really mix that well, I know I really doesn't make sense.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Gotcha...but how did you figure that out? Im just curious whrn I start messing around. Did you reboot or sod after changing the v for that particular mhz?

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] lm that guy:
This is exactly the reason why some go up and down. Because I found out I could go even lower on some frequencies than others. Also I was trying to undervolt as much as possible on frequencies my phone uses the most.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Cool thanks for the heads up.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] tkoreaper:
Have any more developments come up? I have a Nexus 5 (Same CPU) with a bin 4 processor. I'm using the settings that were posted last (The pictures) and it's been very stable.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
I have bin 3 and my phone can't handle that values xD
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Heres mine running stable for 2 days so far...im bin 0?

N900T
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
Thought that pvs 0 would be wosrt, but not bad at all. :thumbup:

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sshafranko:
Yea me too but I guess im lucky or its BS or mine was cut from the center of the wafer and they messed up on the #?because even on antutu I have rhe second highest score or I did back when I ran it. Kinda weird to do all that with bin0.

N3

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I think I have to give a lot of the credit to Imoseyon though.

N3
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
Yep, I have pvs 3 and I have to have the same voltajes for the OverClock frecuencys or my phono reboots xD
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] GallardosEggrollShop:
Was able to match your settings with leankernal 1.2.1 and I am oc'd to 2.7. Oh and PV is 2, not too bad :)

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] ZION959:
Ok Here is mine on newest Faux Kernel 03. I have Bin 1 PVS 4
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
i have bin 1. looks like I got screwed.

gonna try undervolting in a few minutes. what's the recommended way to start? -25 followed by 5 minute stress test?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
I would go starting by -50mV. And make an Antutu if it doesn't reboot it is stable.

I post my current voltages:

I have pvs 3 -75mV all and +15mV to 2'3 GHz, let me know if it is stable for you.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
Here are my stock voltages with saberN3kernel

If I drop by 50 mv I'd be under your criteria for some freq (ex. 300mhz)

What kernel are you using?

What app do you use to stress test each individual freq?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
If you have pvs 1 then your kernel comes undervolted by default. All your voltages are equal to a pvs 3 less the little frequencies.

I just tried undervolting by -25 and see if it reboots, with -100 It is an instant reboot. Then with -75mV the only frequency that gives me problem is 2'3GHz. I just found that Antutu really stress the CPU and if a voltage is not stable it will reboot. Other apps don't stress the CPU too high and you would think that the voltage is stable until you get a random reboot.

I have at this moment LeanKernel and trying wonder too. For strees an individual frequency just set that frecuency the max one and do an CPU test of Antutu.

EDIT: Now with Wonder my voltages changes like I sad. Here are the stock voltages for each pvs https://gist.github.com/imoseyon/7226820
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
I have found that -50mv more then my kernels stock voltage is sufficient up to 2.3 where it can only be dropped by -25mv. I have not changed OC voltage values.

Did antutu locked on each individual frequency without reboots or stutters. Also used stabilitytest v2.7 and used the scaling stability test ( runs each freq for 15 seconds then scales up till max. And repeats. Managed 15 minutes straight at these voltage levels, zero reboots.

Current voltages below.

I'm pvs_bin 1. Nothing special:( (note 2 was a 5, like a boss)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] PurppleMonkey:
Hi ^^

i have civz kernel rev 1.9 and a pvs of 1..

My value are stable but i was wondering how can i change settings of the governor "ondemand".. i found nothing about that in google..

someone can help me ?

Ps: in order to have a better battery life ^^

ps2: to test my undervolt i can use antutu cpu test for each frequence or stabilitytest or both ?

ps3: sorry for my bad english, you know.. english teacher in france ^^ ahah

thnks for you help
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
You can change the governor setting by either using trickster mod (general tab. Bottom is governor settings) or you can also use setcpu and go to the governor tab.

As far as what values to change I'm unsure. I also didn't find anything in Google. However if your kernel supports it. I use the conservative governor as my daily driver. Keeps the cpu running low unless sufficient demand is needed. Only really hits full speed when doing gaming.

To test your under volt. You can use both antutu and stability test. I like antutu for testing individual frequencies. (Ex. UV 1728MHZ, I would set max freq to 1728. Then use antutu full test. If she crashes. Voltages are too low. Or cpu got too hot (usually only with OC freq))

if you want to test a range of freq (ex. Lowered all freq by -25mv I would use scaling stability test and start from your lowest undervolted freq to your highest. And let it run for a good 10-20 minutes. To insure each freq got it self a beating. Also with stability test if it crashes. When you reopen stability it will tell you the freq it crashed on.

Let me know if this helps.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] PurppleMonkey:
okey thanks but when i try to use stability test (scaling) it seems that frquences does not change... i have a pop up that tell me "trying to change to 300mhz etc....." but where i can see the cpu frequences it 1728 all the time..

whereas i choose frequences to 300 to 1728..

any idea ?

and thanks for your help, i have change my governor to conservative ^^

but what about cfq ? Deadline ? Etc... ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
I personally use row. I don't have any particular reason why. I read up on schedulers. And decided on row. I think deadline was the fastest then row cfq sio then noop.

As far as scaling cpu. It should hold the freq it specifies. I find when it first boots it is all off. Then once 300 starts it sets it for 15. Then 422 for 15 etc. Not really sure why yours isn't. Perhaps something is stopping it from controlling the frequencies. We're you touching the screen at all? I know when I touch the acreen it shoots up to 1700mhz

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
I use Antutu for stress CPU can't help.

Deadline or row are ok.

Update of my voltages:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] PurppleMonkey:
Thanks for your help !

I download civz 3.0 and i can choose 96mhz instead of 300mhz for min frequences.

But i can't change manualy values :(

My values.. (above) what do you think about them, remember that i have a pvs of 1 ^^

can i improve them ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
You could probably drop

96mhz - 670mv

Then 685

then 700 till 422.

I have a couole voltage charts saved at home. When I get home I'll show you what I used when I had a 96mhz/3ghz kernel. I'm also bin 1.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
I think they are fine, I will try lowering to 6XXmV 300MHz to botton. If your kernel allow you to undervolting to 600mV (?)

I think tomorrow I will try civz just to test it and compare :3
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] PurppleMonkey:
thanks !

I would like to see your saved voltage !

But i dont understand when you said ..."then 685..."

Sorry im french ^^ ahah
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
Pardonnez moi. (je remembre un petite peau) Sorry should have been more specific.

96mhz - 670mv

192mhz - 685

249mhz - 700

300mhz - 700

422mhz - 700 or 705 if it seems unstable.

keep In kind though every chip is different even similar bin 1s

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And. NEVER have voltages to set on boot. Until you are 5000% sure they will run flawlessly.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
I just downloaded and flashed your kernel. I wanted to see if I could replicate the frequencies not changing when using stability test. It seemed to work fine for me. Except at any freq below 300mhz. The system became essentially unresponsive. The timer didn't count up. My "cool tool" app at the top wasn't even updating cpu temps usage or freq. But once I waited it through she responded better and made it all the way to 2551.

Maybe give it a try again and see what happens. If not perhaps try re flashing or using a different kernel tweaking app.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] pyroemaniac:
All of you do realize that the current method you are using to find your bin number is not accurate. Peoples have changed when flashing different ROMs.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] PurppleMonkey:
Thanks ^^ can you post your values please ?

96mhz to 25.. mhz
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] PurppleMonkey:
Okey this is my stat after undervolt et underclock.

Before undervolt and underclock couldn't reach this stat.. so it works for me ^^

now i will test a better undervolt ^^
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
What pvs ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] PurppleMonkey:
There, my pvs
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
Your pvs_bin value is not there.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
To check pvs look the first post.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] PurppleMonkey:
Ooo sorry !

my pvs is 1 ^^
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] PurppleMonkey:
So what do you think about my undervolt considering my pvs ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
If you try other -25 it is stable for you ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
I also have pvs 1. I don't think you can drop much more. Especially in the upper frequencies.

96mhz - 670mv

192mhz - 685

249mhz - 700

300mhz 700

422mhz 700.

should work for you.

2265mhz my lowest was 1000mv

2649 my lowest was 1100mv.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
You can't have 2'3GHz at 975 mV ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] jaycb420:
Nope. Get random reboots under heavy load. 1000mv u can antutu all day with zero issues.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Stealthlaud:
This is what I'm running at the moment. Stress test doesn't crash at these but antutu sometimes has issues. Phone runs smoothly so I can live without an antutu score. I'm still going to tweak the values bit by bit.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Lodix:
Then there is a bit different from pvs because with my pvs 3 I can be with 975 for 2'3GHz without problems.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] toastido:
FYI in KK the location from the OP changed for getting your bin

/sys/devices/system/soc/soc0/soc_pvs
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] RemnantSiX:
[YOUTUBE]QiabBQtGyKE[/YOUTUBE]

Antutu Bench: 37340 (beats itself?)

Quadrant Bench (in video)

ROM+ Bioshock Kernel combo: 16549

Then same with the undervolting @ same settings/app/process shown: 26023

Both beat S5 and all listed models, though Antutu seems to give a better comparison with relevant performance class phones.

Model:SM-N900T

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Android Ver.4.4.2

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Baseband: N900TUVUCNB4

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Kernal: 3.4.86_Bioshock_5.0-jamison@infamous #1

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Released: Sunday May 11th 14:12:03 EDT 2014

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Build:KOT49H.N900TUVUCNB4

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Mod Ver.RC 3.5

Still on last android version, but it's not broken, why fix it? I'd rather just wait for the Infamous ROM update then get something else.