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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
Kingo and vroot warn the safe way fails, if it needs to trip knox by flashing a custom recovery it gives you that option after, but some people plow thru things like that and don't read. (next, next, next, next, next.)

Plus I'm sure that reset for KNOX will be coming out soon now that it's been confirmed resetable via ADB. Just waiting for someone at a service center to leak the keys. (Any service center employees reading this?)

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] hyogman:
Sorry... I don't understand the first part... my bad, because my english is a little out-of-practice
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
Aka it will tell you before it does anything that trips KNOX, read everything in between steps.

Kingo says something along the line of... "Rooting Failed, to continue we will need to install a custom recovery. Doing so will definitely void your warranty, do you want to continue?"

Or if it opens ODIN just know to cancel.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] toastido:
Where did you get this from? Source please.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
Friend in Samsung service center, for obvious reasons I can't give you his name, but here is our conversation screenshots.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] toastido:
Ok thanks. I hadn't seen any confirmation anywhere so I was wondering where it had been confirmed. Thanks.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
No problem, obviously its confirmed but not official yet as we don't have them, and its a touchy subject lol.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] DrPhant0m:
Does Samsung's method of resetting knox do just that... or does it wipe the phone and/or remove root, as well? Perhaps our mystery informant didn't go into this much detail... but I think it's a valid question. If it wipes the phone and removes root, that's less than ideal, considering the context of this thread. It'd at least be a good fresh start to try again, though.

... ask him/her to unlock our bootloaders and give us an ironclad root method, as well. :fingers-crossed:

Bonus reading, for extra credit:

Now that I'm outside of the return policy on my phone... I don't care much about knox anyway. (I used the original RDLV on my Verizon MI9 Note 3, and I'm still 0x0) I just want easy/safe root access for when VZW drops the kitkat update.

Samsung's goal with KNOX was to get businesses to trust the security of the phone on their email networks. (Correct me if I'm wrong here, but are there any other values added? Everyone on XDA hates KNOX, correct?) So... being able to root and keep knox untripped seems like it's just opening the door to enterprise security failures, and isn't much use to the dev community, right? (Those xda'ers using keepchat on their work phone notwithstanding... shame on you.) With that in mind... I say to tell your mystery informant friend to keep it a secret... and instead give us a way to root a kitkat ROM without using a shady/inconsistent app like kingo or vroot. Then we can all enjoy custom DPIs, Titanium Backup, AdAway, xposed framework, snapshare/keepchat, and all of the other root-only apps out there that make Android better than other platforms. Just my 2 cents. I'm open to discussion.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] hyogman:
rooting note 3 from telcel

Well, I hope that method is not keept a secret for too much time. Some of my friends rushed to root their phones with the early methods and they triggered knox.

I already tried Kingo, and as stated in some post ago, rooted failed and ask me for install custom recovery, which will trigger knox. I leave my details again in hope for confirmation that is safe to continue with URDLV:
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] lvnatic:
I recently purchased a note 3 that came with jellybean out of the box and seems to be having MI7 bootloader. I heard it's possible to obtain root on kitkat without triggering knox?

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] herczyn:
yes. read the thread.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] hyogman:
rooting note 3 from telcel

What about my question? Can someone help me?
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] herczyn:
I answered it. the answer is YES.

for the details: read the thread.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] hyogman:
The root will survive the kitkat upgrade? Or I will need to root again if I upgrade my note 3?
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] herczyn:
you can upgrade to KK without loosing root.

if you update before root, you will not be able to root without tripping knox.

first root with URDLV, then update do KK. for details on that, see:

1. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=49935779

2. http://www.mobtivity.com/de/news/galaxy-note-3-update-auf-android-kitkat-mit-root-und-knox-0x0.html

just to be sure: there is no guarantee this will work for you. you might brick your phone. it's your risk.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] hyogman:
One more question... why so many people downgrade from 4.4 to 4.3? Is there someting wrong with kitkat?
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] amynjimmy:
Pm me....mj4 will trip Knox if rooted... U can use the sm-n900w8 unsecured bootloader and flash kit Kat and then flash CF....pm. me and inwill give u the instructions..

MB865/ST-ATT/4.4.2/BMM

ZLP- SM-N900W8/Att-ST/OxO/CWM/ViSiOn NC2_4.4.2,Snapkat 3.1
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] DrPhant0m:
To be clear... I was saying that, other than warranty returns (which are only an issue for like 30 days for most carriers), the only reason I'm aware that Knox is a concern is for enterprise security... which applies to only a subset of users. So, I was saying that I'd rather have a bootloader unlock or safe root method than a way to reset Knox.

Do your friends with Knox tripped need it reset to regain some kind of functionality? I'm honestly curious... I want to know if there are more uses to Knox than I'm aware. I disabled knox as part of installing superSU... and I don't miss it yet.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] hyogman:
Well, they trigger knox when rooting, because they want to erase all the bloatware Telcel install, and unwanted apps like Flipboard. The thing is that is not a matter of lost functionality. One of them experienced some touchscreen issues, and when he tried to return the phone for repair, Telcel (and Samsung) reject it because the triggered Knox flag. Long story short... he gave his note 3 for repair with someone else (a small bussines near his nome). But as I said, here in Mexico, the smartphones in general are overpriced, no matter the carrier.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] klau1:
Even if you rooted with KNOX status 0x0 using UDLV, the status will display "Custom".

The Samsung Repair Center rep will still consider your warranty VOID.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] wizky911:
I'm on 4.3. Can I use this root and flash a 4.4.2 rom and workout tripping knox?
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] DrPhant0m:
You can clear "custom" by flashing a stock image in Odin.

KNOX is (currently) irreversible.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] klau1:
You can't in certain situations.

I kept the MJ1 Bootloader and followed the UDLV instructions to root with MJ4 firmware.

So you get a rooted MJ4 without KNOX.

But it looks like the Download Mode will not flash MJ1 Full Stock back.

And if you flash MJ4 Full Stock you lose Root forever since the MJ1 bootloader gets replaced with MJ4 Bootloader.

Need help on this actually. Since the repair depot won't accept.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] DrPhant0m:
...and this flashing of a full stock image doesn't clear the custom flag?

I can see how keeping the bootloader and flashing a newer firmware would preserve the custom flag, though.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] klau1:
Even if it did clear the custom flag, you'll be stuck with a phone with no way to root it without voiding the warranty ever again.

Warranty Depots repair the phone and returns the same one to you, so you're stuck with your unrootable phone if you want to keep your warranty.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] DrPhant0m:
If I need to send a phone away for warranty replacement... I wouldn't care if it could be rooted. As long as I get the replacement.

I guess I can't help with the fact that 3rd party repair shops fix the phone and give it back... chalk it up to bad luck and sell it on swappa.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] klau1:
There must be a reason the thing tripped. Assuming the instructions were followed correctly, then there is a lack of understanding somewhere in the procedure.

Even Einstein said:"As I have said so many times, God doesn't play dice with the world."
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] sauron82:
I followed the instructions to the letter, but it tripped. That said, I was prepared to trip it if I needed to. Sometimes sh$t happens. After it was tripped with no way to go back, I didn't really care about why it tripped. First step to playing around with your device is accepting that something can go wrong. If you're not prepared to accept that, you shouldn't do anything at all. Don't get me wrong; it's great that it's possible to root without tripping Knox. But if it trips, you shouldn't complain.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] klau1:
sure there's a risk of doing it wrong if knowledge is uncomplete, no necessarily by you, but by the developer.

But since computers are deterministic machines, by definition, there is a way to do it right, every time.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] pathfinder906:
Any luck rooting me phone without tripping knox using this method?
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] sauron82:
I think you missed my point.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] andrewilley:
I just got a UK Note3, and it's already on 4.4.2, with AP NB7 and CP/CSC NB1. Having read through this thread, I take it that as anything 'N' is greater than 'MJ' anyway, I'm shafted as far as ever rooting it without tripping KNOX? Darn.

I think I will wait a while to check no initial hardware issues, then root as I don't think I can use an unrooted phone any more due to a number of apps I run which need it.

Andre
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] mtbsoft.:
I agree with you, got my phone yesterday - 4.3 but MJ7 - I feel as if the thing is running Froyo with all the apps I cannot run. I doubt I'll last beyond two weeks before I root, knox or no knox.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] Frank Westlake:
That's only true if we control the entire machine, but normally we use an OS and additional programs which we did not write. For example, if the URDLV script said "if $((($time % 0)==0)); then exit 1; fi" then using that script we will sometimes fail. In that case it's intentionally written in but an OS could have a bug which does something similar, and we would have to be able to fix the OS to avoid it.

Frank
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
I would guess that it doesnt wipe, only because other reports of people getting reset. No way to tell really.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] Neo3D:
Crap! I'm already on 4.4.2, so I can never root now?
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] toastido:
You can using CF-Auto-Root, but you WILL trip knox

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] Neo3D:
Knox only matters if you need warranty service right?
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
Yeah only if you need warrenty ;)

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] alessandro_xda:
No, knox enables a secure area for specific apps (usually corporate apps)

https://www.samsungknox.com/en/solutions/knox/features/apps

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
I think she is refering to tripping KNOX...

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] DrPhant0m:
This link was helpful, considering my post earlier, referring to when I said that other than warranty returns, KNOX is only useful for enterprise-level security stuff. I'll be honest... I didn't actively seek out the information. It seems like it would have been pretty easy to google for.

So... I went to the link. There are Knox-secured versions of Dropbox, GoToMeeting, Box, etc. As an engineer for a prominent nuclear power company, I can see the value in these. Our documents and communications are subject to VERY strict security policies. So strict that they can only be exchanged using our company-provided laptops with our own home-cooked KNOX-type security... and under no circumstances can we have them on other devices. So... I still have no use for KNOX. It's good to know that there's more to it than denying warranty claims though.

With all of that said... I'm still holding to my opinion that I don't think it's a good idea to circumvent KNOX. I think we should be able to freely turn it OFF if we're not interested in the security end of things... but I don't see a benefit in being able to circumvent or reset the KNOX flag that doesn't hint at corporate security bypassing/hacking/etc. To all the XDA'ers out there that want to bypass KNOX and root their business phone... shame on you. Don't put your company (in some cases your COUNTRY) at risk because you want to hack your score in Flappy Birds, or save your incoming snapchats without the poor girl on the other end knowing it.

In short... If you have a NEED for KNOX security, then there are big things at stake, and you shouldn't be rooting your phone.

FYI... If I trip my knox flag... I'll probably want a way to reset it, but I still don't think there should be a way to do it. Call me a hypocrite. I just want my phone to stay unsullied. lol
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] Frank Westlake:
Apparently we've been misunderstanding the use of the word "warranty" in the phrase "Knox warranty=0x0". A warranty is a guarantee, and "Knox warranty=0x1" means that Knox can no longer warrant, or guarantee, software security. Some people need to maintain Knox security for their employers, but they also want a rooted device so they wish to deceive their employers into thinking that the device is still secure by not tripping the Knox warranty flag. The rest of us see this behavior and misinterpret it -- that misinterpretation being helped by the misinterpretation of the word "warranty".

I think some service centers are using this Knox confusion to their advantage and claiming that a tripped Knox means that the device is no longer waranted, and maybe some of them are honestly as confused as we are.

Frank

ADDED

I see by the times on DrPhant0m's message that it took me over 20 minutes to tap this out, because her message wasn't there when I began.

Frank
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] wizky911:
So does this work on MJ4 or no?
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] Spere:
Knox warranty comes 0x1 only if software of phone has modified, we all know rooting, roms etc.. Voids warranty. Now, if Knox has triggered --> they know you have flashed something to phone, and that have always void warranty. Now Samsung just got clear indicator for it. The only problem you got is, you can't fool Samsung to thing you still have warranty, since you can't reset Knox.

Samsung really should make another flag under Knox Warranty Void that says Device Warranty Void, and make it trigger same time with Knox. Then the bs in here xda about Knox warranty =/!= device warranty would stop, maby....
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] DrPhant0m:
All I've gotta say in reply is... DrPhant0m is a he. [emoji41]
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] lvnatic:
Will this method wipe the device, sd data?

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] sauron82:
I can't remember if it wiped my data, but play it safe. Always have a backup.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
Please head over to the KNOX forums and read about what Samsung says about warranty, KNOX, and rooting. To warrant the use of something is completely different from a warranty, and if that were the case alot of law savy users would have said something months ago.

Even if you do maintain KNOX 0x0 the actual KNOX software still bugs the heck out of you saying your phone is modified and your system status in download mode shows custom. You have to disable all that too.

All companies need to do is check for a superuser app and that person is busted lol

Preserving the 0x0 flag is truly for waranty pourposes.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] NHS2008:
I can't for some reason, get the *#1234# or even the *#00#* to work.

Here's my Status (attached)

I am on:N900VVRUBMJE

Can I use this without tripping KNOX.

Btw, I am not in US, So it doesn't really matter. But still...
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] Alfablos:
Looks like Samsung won this one. In fact, there's no way to fool knox as far as I can I understand. And I think Note 4 will be bulletproof from this point of view...

Such a delusion...
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
Here is my N900T on 4.4.2 Kitkat rooted and KNOX 0x0.

I made this video at work today with a friends phone, don't be jealous.

This is what sticking with 4.3 gets you so if your wanting to update... DON'T!!! :p

And thanks you to ze german fellow who figured this out first.

Im going to make a new thread with instructions and links l8ter.

Thanks...

[YOUTUBE] http://youtu.be/WniVSEX5Qn4 [/YOUTUBE]

http://youtu.be/WniVSEX5Qn4

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] orlandson:
The right code is *#0*#
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] Alfablos:
I'm on rooted kitkat too, but I'm not free to install custom recoveries or ROMs without tripping knox. That's what I mean when I say that Samsung won. This device has probably been the best device in like a year, with premium features (3Gb of RAM, 2.3Ghz quad-core processor A.S.O.) which are only now showing up on high-end smartphones (6 months later) for a price which is double. It IS still a flagship for Its category but Samsung has decided to lose customers with this knox thing. I'm very disappointed...
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] TBS2002:
thank you i have followed these instruction and its not work ?

Instructions

Extract (unzip) the firmware file

Download Odin v3.09

Extract Odin zip-file

Open Odin v3.09

Reboot phone in Download Mode (press and hold Home + Power + Volume Down buttons)

Connect phone and wait until you get a blue sign in Odin

Add the firmware file to AP / PDA

Make sure re-partition is NOT ticked

Click the start button, sit back and wait a few minutes
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
Yah I'm going to start bugging the safestrap developer lol

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] Alfablos:
What? :D
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
To see if we can get a 4.4.2 compatable safestrap created for our phone... ? It worked on 4.3 but not on 4.4.2

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] dawgboy1783:
Why does safestrap not trip Knox on 4.4.2 compatible carriers?.
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
It doesn't replace the recovery it injects itself into the bootup and gives you the option to launch during boot.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] dawgboy1783:
Cool man :thumbup:
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] ajster1989:
It also supports having multiple roms installed

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[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] Alfablos:
Guys, we are focusing on the wrong issue! We must focus on whether not repairing a knox 0x1 device is legal or not! See 1999/44/CE law.

A third-party engineer or whatever should certify that the damage to the device is due to end-user manipulation, Samsung can't just tell Its repair labs or whatever not to repair a build issue just because the user modded the phone, without making sure that the issue is caused by the building process not being acted properly!
[Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development] sauron82:
Refusing to repair a device with Knox void is perfectly legal. Warranty requires that you haven't modified your device at all. That goes for phones, tablets, game consoles, GPS units, almost everything. If you modify your device in any way then the warranty is void. The reason for this is simple: they can't fix it if they don't know what you've done to it, and everybody does something different, so its simpler to have a blanket "no mods" policy.

Knox status is two-fold:

First, it tells you, the user/owner, whether it can guarantee the security of data stored in the Knox container. If Knox is void, then there's no guarantee that the secure container is actually secure.

Second, it tells the staff at the store, not the service centre, at a glance whether you've voided your warranty. Most people return their device to where they bought it if there's a problem. Almost always, the people at the store have no idea how to deal with the problem, so they send it off for repair, then a few days goes by and then you get a call about the repair. All the store staff need to do now is reboot your device in download mode and check the Knox status. If it's void, they'll just tell you they can't send it in under warranty.

Knox is meant both to push Samsung's devices amongst the corporate crowd, as well as to make things easier for retail staff to deal with problems. The only people who hate Knox are us, the power users. We've been happily voiding our warranties and rooting for years. If we had a problem, we could just flash stock and go back for warranty. The only reason everybody here hates Knox is because now the manufacturer has a way to tell.

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