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[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
May be. But is not far from true.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
If the logic of your argument is flawed then the final conclusion, cannot be true.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Just to say that without arguments is the same or worse. End of discussion.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
No... my statement in itself is logical and also true.

In developing a proper argument, if you want to clearly demonstrate your point, you cannot talk about the S4 and then shoot off to the S3 without a proper transition.

it throws off the discussion and demonstrates a logical fallacy.

It is better if you stayed with the S3 or the S4 as individual exemplars or you clearly state from beginning to end of your post the experience you have with both devices.

In other words the way you wrote your argument was the like the programming equivalent of using a "GOTO" statement bad programming.

Crap I just realized that probably no one even remembers the BASIC programming language anymore... all you blokes are young tadpoles :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
A "GOSUB" is more likely your argument.

I think your are 20 posts chasing after me. This a thread started by someone that in not in peace with samsung. Everyone with his own opinion is free to arge about this.

Why don't you start a thread in favour of samsung like "why I will buy a samsung again" and point your facts instead of posting philosophical discussions about personal opinions?
[Galaxy S 4 General] RossFixxed:
Are we done arguing about how to argue yet?

So I was very, very pro samsung, I favour my s4 over my nexus, HTC one, iPhone etc... But all the hassle knox is causing me is very annoying. I just installed the Google Edition rom and I'm shocked how bad the lag and slowdown actually were on the Touchwiz stock ROM. The UI frame rate in TW is horrifying!

I think I'd skip Sammy in future just because the level of testing and the general standard they are holding a 600+ euro device to is very sub par. It's an amazing piece of technology but they seem like they are determined to make it slow, ugly and laggy... I cannot understand what their QA team actually do. I would be fired if I released something with lag like that.

The whole Touchwiz/ HTC Sense etc needs to stop. It should be an optional theme / launcer at most, and shouldn't slow down something this powerful. My old Desire (Bravo) has a better user experience than the i9505 on stock. I'm losing patience and faith in Samusng.
[Galaxy S 4 General] iniassio:
samsung galaxy is always yhe best:good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] hovax615@hotmail.com:
Yup after this phone this is my last Samsung phone also. In a few more years they're going to be running they're own os tizen and I'd rather be in stock android or ios. Even though iOS doesn't do half as much stuff as android it works and works flawlessly. If I want to be locked down I'd go with iOS...
[Galaxy S 4 General] adrian3:
Phones over the years

Nexus One > S3 > Note 2 > S4

The Note 2 was the best phone I ever had the pleasure of owning. Battery life was great (Samsung didn't sacrifice battery life for aesthetics - best move ever :D)

Never ever felt it heating up - I actually opted to stick with stock Samsung firmware (with Apex/Nova but that's about it)

Swapping it in for a S4 was hands down the worst decision I made in the past year

1. Terrible software from the get go

2. Horrible customer service (maybe it's specific to my country - crappy service attitude here in Singapore)

3. Now I'm unable to downgrade to any pre-MH8 versions; feels like ALL my battery life/connectivity problems DETERIORATED (as if it wasn't sh***y enough) with MH8

Gonna go back to the Nexus family - lesson learnt!

Oh, and here's a bit of nostalgia for those who were early-adopters of Android :cool:
[Galaxy S 4 General] nikocc:
absolutely...

Don't forget the new region lock. Samsung, Samsung..it's sad.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ipharus:
Samsung always been good to me, dho i don't change phones so very often.

Had a galaxy nexus and a samsung feature phone before this one.

But still interesting information here, good to keep your eyes open ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] andr01d3:
This kind of threads are useless. If you dont want to buy more Samsung phones, it's ok, bye! But stop crying in public pleaseeeeee.

Enviado desde mi GT-I9505 mediante Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
I can't thank you enough for this !!!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] RossFixxed:
I can't get it to play at the momet (In work) but I'll definitely have a look.

All I can say is with the GE ROM the user experience is far better. Part of UX is purely opinion and preference based. But I have 2 S4s beside each other and the GE one is far snappier, smoother. I gave them to a few people around me and everyone preferred the GE to use, but missed the fancy features.

Brief synopsis by any chance? Very curious what the 5 myths are! :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] TheAtheistOtaku:
samsung can do whatever it wants. Yes i love their phones, but if they want to go closed system, let them. Ive been eyeing lg,sony and motorola for a while now. Though ill be selling this phone and ordering a nexus 5, my next phone after that will more then likely be one of the three. Bye samsung, i still love you but your just not for me anymore
[Galaxy S 4 General] » Arrow «:
Never more...
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
TW can be a android revamp like some says.

But 30 % is crap that takes system storage, battery drain, and much more.

Not to talk the fraud that is a 16 gb s4 getting only 8 gb free user space. This should be punished selling 16 gb phones with the half of free space.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
Samsung makes memory and is one of the defective leaders in memory technology.... I don't agree with them skimping on the memory for the S4. 16 gigs with 8 gigs to system is a farce and outright disingenuous advertising. The present it as if I the user had access to this 16 gigs... they are more than capable of creating a system drive different from a storage drive even if it means making a device with a 24 gig chip where they take 8 for system and leave 16 for users.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
1 "Skins", there's no such thing, they're completely different versions of Android.

2 You can't choose between "skins" and AOSP, that would require dual booting.

3 Android is open source (hint: Apache license).

4 AOSP is what Google thinks Android should be.

5 Is Google unhappy with OEMs? Nope. :p

I have no drain and no issues with space here. Buy a sdcard and be happy.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
I ve a sdcard card. Lol. That's not the problem. The problem is from 16 (and internal so cards are way better) you get 8. Apple 13 of 16!

That's the point. You should not pay for a 32 gb model with only 24 gb!

And what annoys me is with this know politic you're not able to root your device to get rid of all the crap that is associated with TW.

And crap from dubious quality like allshare.

I've a smart TV and my 150 euros tab performs screen mirror smoother then my s4!!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] manast:
Galaxy S4 was my first high end Android purchase. In India we do not have the I9505 variant, so I bought the I9500.

Really disappointed with the way Samsung has handled the Exynos version. A 2013 flagship that does not have OpenGL3 support, are you joking me? Even the Nexus 4 has that.

In case of Note 3 also, only the Exynos version is released here. So no point in upgrading to that as well.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nikzDHD:
So your theory also applies to Apple products, one should not pay the price of a 16gb model as the end user will get 13gb of space? Or I shouldn't buy a HTC One because the 32gb model comes with X amount of space. Does it mean I shouldn't purchase a Windows PC because the 1TB HDD that comes with the PC takes up X amount of GB for the OS, maybe I should use Linux instead as it free's up more space? Unlike others Samsung allow users to install a MicroSD Card.

When you buy a device you agree to the terms of the device, Samsung in their terms states if you root a device or modify the software this will be void your warranty. You have to remember XDA is a small % of the mass marketed crowd, your average Joe does not care about rooting their devices. If you want to root go ahead and root no one is stopping you, if your phone messes up then you've abide to the terms and conditions upon purchase so why complain?

Allshare is a feature, not personally used it but if the quality is not on par with anything else you've used then that's an issue. Report it to Samsung and hopefully one day they will fix it.

At the end of the day us consumers will always complain about something, so I've got a Nexus 5 as well for comparison, sure it's got X amount of free space as its system size is smaller than TW, sure I can root it as it's a device which can be easily rooted if I choose to like with any other phone, sure it has some things lacking when compared to the S4 and I complained about it to myself but heck that's life. Enjoy whatever you have and if you don't like it sell and get something else we are not restricted unlike our counterparts on the iOS and Windows bandwagon.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
First of all rooting doesn't void any warranty at least in Europe. This is fact. Samsung can write on the conditions that you will be killed if you agree and root your phone. Luckily in Europe they are laws that are above every crap that this company's write on they own terms.

Secondly and last your point about enjoying or get elsewhere. That's the point with Samsung they really closing android like the other two you've mentioned. Knox... regional code lock... what's next?
[Galaxy S 4 General] jamm513:
First and last .... Forget me Samsung

Enviado desde mi GT-I9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
Android never was 100% open and I doubt root will ever disappear. Maybe someday we won't need it anymore but root is Linux and Android is Linux too.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hypergamer1231:
i like TW and have no major issues with samsung devices but if they again launch S5 with exynos am not buying it for sure
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
ill go with exynos only if they launch it internationally like note 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
And pal feel sad that they forgot open gl 3 for your device. Samsung... Samsung. ..
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
Why is opengl3 so important?
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Why do you spend more then in a laptop for a phone?
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
Because I can (?) :p

I didn't get what you mean...
[Galaxy S 4 General] singh_21:
Android is useless without rooting and Experimentation . I hope other companies don't follow this trend.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
If you pay a lot of money for a top device you would expect that the phone will be able to support the latest technology. That's what I have meant. And giving support to 9505 and not for 9500 I call it one more stupid move from Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
I believe the problem here isn't 100% Samsung's fault, blame Imagination Technologies and their PowerVR GPU... If they didn't know 4.3 was going to support opengl3 it isn't a matter of Sammy. Qualcomm, the other way, has support fot it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] I r o n M a n:
Maybe not in Europe, but everywhere else, or at least in USA and Asia, rooting does void the warranty. It's mentioned in their terms of service, and they legally have a right to do that.

And anyways, us, the members of xda represent an almost insignificant spec of the number of people who buy these phone. In short, they don't care about us. And neither do most of the other companies like HTC, Sony etc. After all, why should they? We don't pay more for buying their phone, and we constitute less than 1% to their actual sales.

Google's nexus, now THAT is a company which cares about us. They make their phones truly open source, high on specs and easily rootable.

So basically, if anyone's got such a big problem with Samsung or with the others, just buy a nexus device. They'll be doing a favour not only to themselves, but to others as well.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] randyle91:
google is awesome

nuff said
[Galaxy S 4 General] VebKr:
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

Samsung is fast becoming the next Apple - gloss over substance, over-priced products & accessories, more focus on marketing than product development, walled garden.

Moves like Knox which makes rooting next to impossible go completely against the Android ethos. And the comments being thrown around on this thread like "it won't effect 99% of the customers" or "buy something else if you don't like Samsung" frankly stink. The 99% has never pushed boundaries. The internet, for instance, was not created by the 99% or money hungry corporations, but by the 1% of true enthusiasts. If I knew about Knox and not being able to root, I would in fact have not bought a s4. To sneak it into an update without any warning is really ****ty of them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
I'm running a stock rom with Knox and root, what am I missing here?

Enviado do meu Xposed Galaxy S4 4G LTE
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
For now...
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
I'm not a pessimist.
[Galaxy S 4 General] VebKr:
How did you root it? I can't get it to root. Chainfire's file via Odin loads and everything, but there's no superuser. If you install superuser through Google Play or flash the zip it says that it doesn't have updated binaries or something. Knox just shuts SU down as an app that was trying to take control. Most places I have come across say you can't root it.

What am I missing?
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
I just installed it with Odin then after the initial setup it updated just fine. I have this Knox message too but it works ok... BTW you can simply freeze the Knox apps so that notif. will stop popping. ;)

EDIT: Here are some pics:
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Try a pre rooted rom from 9505 android development. Is odin flashable.
[Galaxy S 4 General] molyomen:
Thanks for this info
[Galaxy S 4 General] VebKr:
Ok I get it - you guys have the i9505. I have the i9500. AFAIK you can't root the i9500 on 4.3 with Knox. I don't think I can even flash Knox-less ROMs with Odin. From what I can understand, I am stuck with this ****, and can only flash (stock) ROMs with Knox.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Stop spreading nonsense, you can root and do whatever you want on the i9500 just fine.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nikzDHD:
You can flash whatever you wish you will lose knox that's all. You trip the flag, knox will be disabled, you can flash whatever. It's been known Samsung will still repair under warranty for knox flag being tripped but might be country dependent.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kcake:
Samsung rocks!

I went to the service centre to get my screen replaced because the front bezel had slightly chipped off. There was a promotional offer in india where you can replace the screenn to 500 rupees. That's about $10. I gave them the phone. Fully rooted, wanamlite rom, adam kernel, knox disabled, twrp recovery.

The screen replacement is apparently a part of the warranty. They changed the screen for me. No questions asked. I'm really impressed with samsung's service. So much for all the hater's.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tommy_vercetti:
Your case is different, you were not claiming warranty on the software part, for samsung once you get root, you can misuse the phone, you just wanted the screen replaced, as per the one time screen replacement offer you were entitled to it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kcake:
Yes but they could have refused after seeing custom software as the screen replacement offer was also a part of the warranty.
[Galaxy S 4 General] windozeanti:
i9506 is cheaper than i9505 now.. I feel like being screwed by Samsung real hard. I want to burn this samsung in hell!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
There's no I9506 here...
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
Don't please :eek::eek::sly::banghead:

Tapatalked from my Galaxy S2 powered by NeatROM
[Galaxy S 4 General] negrobembon:
please don't do it, give it to me l, I'll find a use for it
[Galaxy S 4 General] difyel:
well i guess the moral of this thread is : Oops !... Samsung Did It Again .
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
Before it's too late we will release all oems are doing similar stuffs one way or the other
[Galaxy S 4 General] VebKr:
AFAIK this is not true. Chainfire's method does not work for the i9500.(It goes through the motions fine, even 'installs' SU, but no root).

AFAIK you can't flash another ROM because the new locked bootloader won't let you.
[Galaxy S 4 General] roomoonek1991:
I can flash any rom via recovery, so i don't know what are you talking about.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
There's no lock, you're talking bull****. ;)

---------- Post added at 05:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:13 PM ----------

And here's the proof!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Cleverfish:
currently i'm on WanamLite MJ5 and with new bootloader. flashing was easy and didn't had any problems.

Sent from my GT-I9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] jamm513:
Honestly, the Galaxy S4 disappointed me, especially because of the new policies and restrictions that samsung is implemented, which reduces development for their devices. Today I sold my S4 and buy a LG G2, and must say it is a huge change, the G2 has a better screen, more bright and sharp, is very fluid, like butter, LG interface is much better than the Touchwizz, plus that does not have capacitive buttons, samsung stayed in the past.

Actually I am very happy with my new G2 :D, for now Samsung, NEVER AGAIN :silly:.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
On screen buttons make no sense. And I don't see a lot of development on the G2 forum...

Enviado do meu Xposed Galaxy S4 4G LTE
[Galaxy S 4 General] jamm513:
Maybe don't have a lot of development, on stock based roms, but have official CM, Offcial PA, official Carbon Rom, Official AOKP, that's enough fo me. and about on screen button, thats the way Google desing lastest android version (See nexus devices), capacitive buttons is for froyo and girgerbread days, Samsung and HTC are in that days.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jcasares:
I can't care less about Google ideas of what we should do. Android was made so we can have different ideas.

I want an external SD card, a replaceable battery and hardware buttons.

Not that I like Samsung so much but I hate when a Google decision i said to be the rule for everyone. That's just an option but not that it should be followed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
The thing is, there's no "way Google meant Android should be". I think you should watch this instead:

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[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
to buy and this time bought a LG g Time pad 8.3. Far better specs then galaxy tab 3 and even note 8. For less money. It's a s4 from specs and benchmarks and way cheaper. 300 euros. The obsolete note costs 429! So sammy farewell
[Galaxy S 4 General] Touch-ee:
I still don't understand why people are so into custom ROMs. And this is not an attack as I know that it what the bulk of this site is for... I just don't get it. I tried CyanogenMod on my rooted Nook and Thunderbolt a year and a half ago and I didn't see what was so great about it. It felt like what it was... an OS made buy "some dudes" rather than by a multi-billion dollar company like Samsung, Google, etc.

What is so great about these Mods? What can you do with them that you cant do on the stock?
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Do you like stock? All cap apps that heats battery and turns system slow... I've an s4 and 70 % of the crop that comes with is useless like chat on and other crap. I don't like cyanogen. I prefer stock. But I want to be free to root my phone in order to get rid of this useless software.
[Galaxy S 4 General] midnite_blue:
for some of us, it's not just about getting there...

Some mornings, I confess -- on my commute in the old daily ride, taking full advantage of an automatic transmission and cruise control -- I think about how nice it'd be to have a chauffeur, a really professional driver who'd make sure he safely got me there. Ahh... I could just close my eyes and listen to a book... or take a well deserved nap. Those days I'm still a little groggy when I start my day at work.

Other mornings, though, I find myself climbing into the Subaru I modded & tuned... to help it breathe and to free its power train from all the parasitic drain that I could. Those mornings I take the long way -- working through the vehicle's gears and feeling its maneuverability and grip in each turn, its torque & stopping power at each light -- already relishing a swing by the track that afternoon! I've noticed that those are the days I get more done at work.

Sometimes, I admit, when the ''WRX'' needs repair, I wonder if I'll ever take it back to stock and let someone else work on it... or maybe it'd be smarter to just sell it and get a factory-spec Saab.

But I'll never, I'm sure, have as my only car one I couldn't really drive. And I'll never trade in my Subie for a chauffeur!

<'written' with 44 MB of voice-recognition SW stealing precious RAM :)>
[Galaxy S 4 General] manudo:
Well, I wanted to buy a S4 mini, I was.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nikzDHD:
There a lot of things you can do.

I personally am rooted running stock with xposed framework and modules.

Root for ad blocking.

But software mods I make use of xposed. It allows to disable the annoying increasing ringtone, allows me too add multiple widgets on a secure lock screen, it allows me to move my Google play music onto external ad card, I can get a 1% battery so I don't need a battery icon and percentage icon, I've disabled the camera shutter sound, I can use my volume hardware buttons to skip tracks when listening to music if my phone is in my pocket, it allows to disable the sms/mms limits, the contact limits. You get the drift all these things I can't do on the stock rom, for me they are useful so I make use of them.

At the end of the day if your happy with the stock rom then that's fine, it's about choice that's why we come to XDA.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tclocki:
Ok, I just got my galaxy note 3 dual sim a week ago... sold my s4 and added a few bucks. I must say, I'm really really happy with it. I've read this thread prior to buying but, well, it didnt convince me "not" to buy another samsung phone.

The dual sim, the external memory, the removal battery, the high-ppi-screen, the deep blacks, the s-pen, and a whole lot more, are some of the things that I just couldnt live without nowadays in a smartphone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] midnite_blue:
Dual sims b/c you travel a lot?
[Galaxy S 4 General] tclocki:
No not really, mainly because I have two sims - company issued, which I have used for a number of years already, and my personal sim (subscribed to unlidata plan).
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
You only could be satisfied for selling your s4 for other top device. I think every device is better then the s4. The s4 lacks on battery, the outside she'll is like Chinese quality made phones and the only benefit I see is in winter is nice to heat your hands. This snapdragon 600 is a fail in all the line.
[Galaxy S 4 General] difyel:
certainly because out of the blue this phone died on me . it s the first time that i feel unsatisfied by a phone and having so much negative feedback to say .anyway good riddance