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[Galaxy S 4 General] devilsdouble:
I have very few things against S4, but a lot of things against Android, so the S4 will be my last Android / Samsung anyway.

Now if I were not going into a different ecosystem, still there are things which are bad in S4. For me these are the main reasons,

a- Vibration. I mean every day I miss two or three calls because of it's faint vibration intensity! It's so poor, so so poor.

b- Build quality. I am sorry I am not a liker of those cases and all, I like to use my phone naked, and I need to be highly confident for that. Example : Nokia Lumia. or hTC One if Android.

c- Poor position of speaker grills. I mean I don't need a stereo output, I never listen to any song or anything via the external speaker, but it's the ringtone volume which bothers me. The speaker grills should be on the sides, not at the rear.

d- Temperature. I live in India. It's hot like hell here. Doesn't matter. I have seen this device go extremely hot after a 10 / 15 minutes call, which is not acceptable anywhere in the world.

Those are some reasons I can remember as of this moment, there are others, but not major. Well it was long journey, from 2008 to 2014, seven years with Android, and in those seven years I have used 8 phones, 6 of them Samsung. S2 was the best Droid I have used. Can't say I am overly happy, it gave me PITA situations lots of times, but still, I have my respect for Samsung, for making the best displays, for putting nice Audio hardware (Wolfson), a LED notification light, and most importantly keeping the physical buttons. So thanks Samsung, but the long relationship is over.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tomorio:
This whole thread is absolutely crazy. The amount of people who try to blame Samsung when you are choosing to modify the device yourself and in doing so all responsibility for any damage etc falls on you. Don't get me wrong I love flashing new ROMs. I flash a new ROM nearly every week I get bored so easily. But when something goes wrong its only mmyself I blame for making the mistake and choosing to flash something that could potentially cause damage.

Anyway, as for the quote above. Missing calls due to low vibration? .... Don't have your phone on vibrate and set a loud ringtone?

You don't play music from your phones speaker? Unfortunately a lot of people do so they have to cater for the larger market.

I do agree the positioning of the speaker could be better as it is very easily muted by covering the back.

To conclude, you are not forced to flash custom ROMs or root. Customization is also available through launcher apps available on the play store ... I know a lot of them suck but if your warranty is that important and maintaining that the sole accountability of any software or hardware errors stay with Samsung, then they are your only option.

Thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] difyel:
Well i have to disagree with you on certain things . it s true that some people try to abuse their warranty , but that wasn t my case . my s4 had a natural death caused by a faulty samsung manufacturing .

When i went to the samsung service center , the customer service representative was actually well aware of this problem happening with some s4 devices and he said that probably the phone will need a board replacement .

while nice and civil enough to explain the problem he refused my warranty because my phone was purchased from abroad , i mean common little sammy don t be so cheap and arrogant with you paying customers and just admit your faults . it s the first time that i hear about this silly rule that if you travel you won t be able to fix your phone or any other device that you might own, but you know what , it seems that the only way that sammy knows to make its consumers feel special is by lies deceit and abuse .

Well sammy i m actually traveling to two countries with some tough laws that protect their consumers from exactly what you are trying to do , abusing the little guy , so let s see how you will find your way out from this . silly silly Sammy ...
[Galaxy S 4 General] difyel:
just as a proof that this was actually sammy's fault and that the reason they refused the repair is because they are cheap , my phone actually decided to revive itself. For how long well I have no idea , but thank you Samsung for making something useful, you just proved my point and the many points made in this thread .
[Galaxy S 4 General] JordanBelfort:
i agree 100 percent, be a man and take responsibility.

if there are ways around a warranty like going back to completely stock, resetting count, unrooting, and all the rest, take advantage of it, but if you cannot do that, you knew what you were doing by modifying your phone and what comes with it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] root-61:
Why I will never buy samsung galaxy again ?

I have s4 i9500

-Knox Warrant bit flag

-Dialer,contacts and camera lag

-Exynos chipset weak (to snapdragon)

-No update for camera video recording 1080p 60 fps

( S4 camera sensor model is SONY_IMX_135 ,same NOTE 3 sensor )

-Dark theme (I liked G2 UI)

Last Samsung phone s4,

I dont buy it never never never samsung phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] EclipseX:
So why? Is is about knox, you will buy lg? ( you cant even root and 4.4)

Sony , htc with locked bootloader?

Or maybe you want to go to oppo, Huawei, xiaomi with miui and some cyogen

Belive me when I say . You will be back

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[Galaxy S 4 General] cherylbaker:
I think that is what it is suppose to be about. So businesses would know the device is safe. I never understood why they put it on a normal consumers device.. unless like someone said earlier they are heading towards a closed system. If they come out with a tzen (sp) I will

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[Galaxy S 4 General] sak500:
I dont know but I updated to kitkat from Arrow rom, rooted it and flashed omega on it. Lost the vibration functionality. Tried everything from flashing again to formating the phone and reinstalling official KK. Still no dice, so took it to samsung service center, they took it and called me 3 hours later saying the vibration motor is replaced FOC and i can collect it. Picked it up and it was perfect. THey also ran few more tests which was mentioned in the accompanied note, including checking latest fw. Even though mine was updated to Indian version and officially i dont think there was a Middle East version out yet.

Compare the above service to LG where they didn't upgrade the O3D for 6 months after the launch and stayed 2 o/s upgrades behind most of the competitors models and the model being too buggy and quickly replaced by slightly better spec'd model, i still prefer samsung.

I dont know what's with knox but if you can flash back to official rom then either knox is reset or samsung dont care.

I may not pick up s5 due to it having apple syndrome, like their main phones and it's S version in 6 months. There is nothing significant which has changed over to S5 from s4, and it may very well be an S4S.
[Galaxy S 4 General] cvh-hofbauer:
I've been using cyanogenmod since my first droid phone, an Optimus 2X. Why would I worry about warranties now?

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Two weeks ago, when I bought my GS4, I said I would wait six months to install a different rom. Well, I couldn't stand touchwiz that long, already running google edition rom.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MrFlashfist:
KNOX doesn´t bother me. I´m rooting my phones for years now and I never worried about warranty. As long as everything works warrranty is no problem.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nickfreedom:
I´ve being using Samsung phones since Windows CE, but now I am considering others brands when it´s time to upgrade my S4. The reasons are:

1-I always used Kies to sync Outlook contacts to phone. It´s because Kies could sync all numbers even though Android has limited fields for synchronization (home, work and so on). But now Kies 3 has many bugs and I´ve discovered Akruto Sync that syncs with Outlook flawlessly;

2-I could encrypt my device for safety reasons even if I was rooted, but since 4.3 it´s not possible anymore. I´ve confirmed also with 4.4.2.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vsgames:
I use Samsung S2, S4. it works perfect without any system changes and roots.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dovahkiin691:
I have tinkered with the S3 and S4 and personally i like the closed system, the way apple operates.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AbdoAdel:
I disagree with you

I'm like you have knox 0x1 but this wasn't a problem with me as I flashed alot of custom Roms but also i fount that i don't need those roms as the stock the best firmware, so i backed to stock with no problems except I can't run knox, I'm Just waiting for Knox resetting boot loader and then back to complete official

also i can't do anything with samsung service center, My model is GT-I9505 and in my country [Egypt] they support only GT-I9500

so with or without knox you can do what ever you want
[Galaxy S 4 General] Chea2k:
I completely agree. If you can't afford to buy a new phone if you brick it then you shouldn't be rooting. That's like buying a new shirt, cutting the sleeves off because you think it would look better sleeveless and then trying to return it to the store because you were wrong and it looks like crap. I think you should be free to do whatever you want with something that you own but that doesn't mean someone else is obligated to fix it if you mess it up.

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I agree with you man. I think these people want to have their cake and eat it too.
[Galaxy S 4 General] glalt:
My wife's old Motorola was getting glitchy. I loved my i9300 S3 but I gave it to her. That gave me the excuse to buy the i9500 S4. I can't say that I see any huge improvement between the S3 and the S4 so far. My wife loves the S3. I just put Omega V24 on my S4. It's too early to see how well it works. The battery life on the S3 Omega V58 was better than the S4 with Omega V22.

The bottom line is that the Samsung S3 was the best phone I ever had. I just hope the S4 is as good. I was never a Samsung fan but as of right now, I think the Samsungs are the best phones on the market. Unlike Apple, both the Samsung S3 and S4 belong to the owners and not the proprietary Apple product company.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rsndetre:
No man , people are expecting a phone to work as intended without having to remove bloatware to make it usable, or to have to underclock it in order to be able to use internet while on 3G/4G connection without having to burn your hands (true case for me in summer days).

In this aspect, I fully support the OP.
[Galaxy S 4 General] coolnessQ:
Oow so its not the fault of the Processors getting to hot?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Dan1909:
Not at all.

Take a read through the threads on here about the battery issues. Basically some batteries with serial numbers beginning with BD are faulty.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dikime:
Threads like these make me wanna leave this planet...

So HTC are fine for stating that you loose your warranty when you perform their half-assed unlock...

SONY are OK for wiping your DRM credentials when you unlock through their site...

But oh no no, when Samsung tries something that EVERYONE else is doing, OP is making a dedicated thread to cry about it...

Please, do "never buy samsung galaxy again". We don't need retards in the Galaxy S5 forum.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
AOSP = open source

Android + Google = closed, just like Apple or Samsung...

Or are you going to use Android without all the Google Apps? Android being open is a myth.

Enviado do meu Xposed Galaxy S4 4G LTE
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slicktune:
In never buying one again either! I just threw mine against the damn wall...!! Hate you SAMSUNG!!! GODDD WTF.. I just wanna be freeeeeee!!! Nexus 5 here I cum!
[Galaxy S 4 General] kazi_rizwan:
The only people worried about Knox is the XDA Android community+few others which sums upto say not even 0.1% of total Samsung Users.

99.9% users don't even know wat rooting is. So if u wanna quit using Samsung/Android phones go on.....nothing will change for Samsung.

:D

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Galaxy S 4 General] rsndetre:
You know what ? I had a Sony Xperia U and I could upgrade it through OTA without problems while rooted. Several times.
[Galaxy S 4 General] AndreiLux:
Because I don't have my head up my arse unlike some people here. My S4 is a South-American unit imported to Europe, it has no warranty at all and I don't expect Samsung to even consider it. The same applies to people who root their phones.

What a bunch of bullcrap, Samsung has changed absolutely nothing in their policy. This has been so ever since the Galaxy S2 ICS update where this was all introduced.

Are you blaming Samsung for your lack of information? The S4 has been like this ever since the first day you bought it. They have literally changed nothing but to put up a message on the bootloader screen. You were aware of TriangleAway, people are aware that it it's unchangeable on the i9500. People have reported since the S2 that they do not hold up the warranty at service centres if they detect it's been modified. And you still bought the phone.

All that I see here is a total implosion of people's tremendous ignorance on the matter, and irrational behaviour of the likes of cavemen...
[Galaxy S 4 General] sachilleas:
@ AndreiLux : Watch your language mate. We all know how great developer you are but I remember Yank leaving xda because of your bad attitude. And he was right. This is a community, not a place to express superiority complex issues.
[Galaxy S 4 General] difyel:
i don t understant what all the fuss is about . If one decides not to purchase Samsung products then it s his god given choice not do so. It s a fact that Samsung hires people around the web to write good reviews about its product and to attack the competiton . it s a fact that Samsung has no shame about lying to its consumers . These statements are easily verifiable by doing a google search . If one wants to understand Samsung mentality then a good read is bad Samaritan : the myth of free trade and the secret history of capitalism ,and he will see where they come from.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kishen80:
I dont care about warranty. ...I never cared...
[Galaxy S 4 General] gdonanthony:
stop flashing custom roms if u dont want to void ur warranty ITS SIMPLE ! and ur telling that u want custom rom and u want ur warranty ? weird people just dont understand what all devs write "By flashing this ur warranty si VOID" .. go buy nokia 3310
[Galaxy S 4 General] negrobembon:
well, personally i never flash anything in any phone until its past the warranty time

my problem with Samsung comes from the stock experience

updates that never come(for my region at least) which means i have to flash so im not two or three versions behind every other region

region lock, slow software, etc
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
How about updates from other oems in your region? Btw wrongly clicked thanks ;)

Out of 40 million s4 sold we are just a few percentage of users who flash and mod stuffs here in xda, rest of the users using it just like that and are perfectly happy. You cannot argue things like my device is slow, gone are those days.

S4 is pretty strong enough to run everything fast with stock, just you need few tweaks and third party apps here and there. Few people here always have the nature of calling additional goodies a bloatware and always like to clean that up, but for what? Just to keep their system partition empty for nothing. I too agree to some point where few apps can be called bloatware, but with 2 gb of ram nothing is going to affect your battery or your daily usage of mobile.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slicktune:
The whole moral is why limit us... Why God whyyyyyyyyyy.... We pay our monies worth... Some pay $200 some pay some pay $600-$699.. At the end of the day we sweat that hard earned money to be limited to what Samsung wants but in all reality there is more than meets the eye.. If it wasn't for these great developers we wouldnt have the"real buttery smooth" experience Samsung/ jellybean claims to have out the box. And why are they putting Knox our any type of security like that on our phones are they implying right off the bat that everyone roots their phone??? Wtf yo... Then why not put Knox and binary counter on their $25 Samsung flip phones..??? Cuz they imply that we root our phones.. What is that any of their business?? They got paid and that's that...
[Galaxy S 4 General] rsndetre:
Stop defending Samsung. Knox isn't just a security flag. If it was just that, fine.
[Galaxy S 4 General] febanovsky:
If you like buy it, if you dont like it do not buy it... No need for further discussion... Go for Apple, HTC, LG, Sony, BB or something else... Rooting and flashing could only do bad things for Samsung and they decided to stop it. They sold 40 million units and less then 1% will flash custom rom and void warranty. They will survive without that 1% users. I am not defending Samsung, I am speaking about facts.
[Galaxy S 4 General] valentinrascu:
+1

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 4 General] coolnessQ:
This is the serial of my fat battery: B600BE my new battery has the same serial...

I buyd one and 5 days later the new battery news came up -.-'

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Top 4 Samsung Galaxy S4 problems: http://thedroidguy.com/2013/10/top-...ght-face-samsung-galaxy-s4/#readsoruce_bottom also has the fat battery and exploding battery in its article :D ...

Sent from my GT-I9505 using app: XDA Premium and rom: CgoastINC Rom v14
[Galaxy S 4 General] rsndetre:
When I bought S4 I didn't had any ideea about locked bootloaders. Now I have dificulties booting to recovery, and when I do , a simple cache wipe will return an error. I am not sure if it's related to Knox, since it happened yesterday on 4.2.2 and I still have to figure it out.

Anyway, 1% or not, is my last time I'll buy Samsung. Is my choice, my money, and if people like me like to ***** about this, so be it. I don't understand why you care.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kasakka:
For the record on stock recovery I get wipe errors too for some reason. While the whole KNOX thing is a bummer for the poweruser, there are several other phones right now with similar hardware and features to the Samsung devices so it's not like voting with your wallet is all that difficult. Let's hope that the Nexus 5 turns out to be a truly great phone (camera, battery life etc) as that should be the one to get if you want to mod and tinker.
[Galaxy S 4 General] go0gl3:
Yeh same thoughts as you mate. Though the majority of consumers probably won't want root access etc it'd still be nice to have options to unbloat your phone etc, with the possibility of warranty esp if its hardware related issues
[Galaxy S 4 General] febanovsky:
That is my point. You money, your choice. I do not understand that complains, we cant do anything now. Maybe S4 is also my last Samsung device, who knows?! I am not pleased with knox but I do not want to make big deal of that(knox set 0x1). People want to OC processor, install custom roms, flashing mods... and when something goes wrong just flash stock rom and send to repair. From their point of view knox is logical thing. They want to protect their phones from flashing...
[Galaxy S 4 General] japjit100:
Flash 4.2.2 then use triangle away then warrenty is back

i think so
[Galaxy S 4 General] carlosm15:
don't buy Samsung again then, if you don't like it, no one is forcing you, everyone know rooting void your warranty, the same as jailbreaking a apple device, as user of Galaxy devices my first Galaxy was an S1, buyed the S2 rooted the first day of purchase, same as S3, same as my S4, but i dont care, i know if i broke something i have to repair myself or pay for the fix, buy a car and change the ECU or something even crash it and then go to warranty if something it's malfunctioning, the first thing the gonna say is, the warrant it's voided, why, you made a change, ok is your money from hard work, ok is your property, but everything have a warranty policies, the same apply to me, and everyone, my phone a 9500, and i am happy with it, Old bootloader, Rooted, Wanamlite 3.0, Perseus13, KNOX apps removed, it's fine; go and buy a iPhone if a Galaxy devices are not for you, but never blame a brand if you don't like it, use google and find your needs...;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Slicktune:
The commercials that are forced into my television shows are forcing my decisions to buy Samsung. STOP MAKING COMMERCIALS SAMSUNG!!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
[MENTION=4693372]Dimness[/MENTION]

Your post makes absolutely no sense.

a) Samsung NEVER published the full source code to any of its products. NEVER. All the source code it publishes is for the KERNEL, and that's about 10% of an entire Android system.

a.1) Google's agreement only requires the companies to release source code for the Kernel, and Samsung has (mostly) been compliant to that.

b) Samsung NEVER published source code for: Modem; drivers; bootloader; applications, etc. That is almost as important as the kernel, and that is where most of the intellectual property of a phone like the Samsung S4 is.

c) Tripping the KNOX flag happens in the bootloader, not in the Kernel

d) you are allowed to trip the KNOX flag, and that is not gonna render your device useless or non-functional.

e) I am yet to see someone lose any functionality due to a tripped KNOX flag

f) As of physical warranty of the device, no responses are definite, and each country is interpreting it their own way. Your local Samsung Repair center may or may not rely on the KNOX warranty flag to fix your phone under warranty.

g) Unless you are one of the highly-skilled Android developers, you NEVER do anything with the source code.

h) WHAT is exactly, and technically, your gripe?

Don't expect to come to a technical forum with absolutely no technical arguments or background and expect people to take that lightly. Of course everyone is pissed off with Samsung about that KNOX flag, but the last thing we need is another thread of *****ing and moaning about it.

If you don't like it, fine, go buy and iPhoney.
[Galaxy S 4 General] stierney:
Simple solution. You can still root and flash but you lose warranty if you brick. Thats pretty fair to me. Anyway you will be able to voice tour opinions by moving to vanilla nexus 5 soon. I dont mind knox. What annoys me is the bloat on galaxy now which is why my next phone is the nexus 5 even though specswise its a downgrade. I dont want sammy calendar music player and their ****e store.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Since when you buy a computer and get rid of windows instaling linux on it will void your warranty?

In your point e) I disagree, you loose the functionality of using knox and what pi... me off is that nobody warned you or tell you about the changes.

Last, do you agree with regional code lock?

WTF!
[Galaxy S 4 General] go0gl3:
wow apparently with the knox flag there is no going back to any 4.2.2 versions prior to MH8 etc. So using that logic of going back and flashing triangle away won't do anything for the apparent e fuse
[Galaxy S 4 General] vampyren:
Finally someone who understands ! I Mean you can't even make a proper backup without rooting an android phone so how exactly is it open. And people have a strange view of things. Sure if you buy something you are allowed to use it as it's designed to be used so flashing it is not covered by warranty. Imagine how many phones get destroyed by noobs so I imagine that is one reason Samsung is doing this.