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[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
My s2 died once stock and unrooted. So this is hard to prove.

The s3 and even the s4 (first firmwares) have always overheating problems.

You could go around installing other firmware so callwd custom. And devices prove to work stable.

I only agree if you overclock it or change important system data.

Look again at how much samsung have spared with devs fixing on many devices the sudden death syndrome.

And as I posted before, in Europe it doesn't void your warranty just rooting the phone. They can call it a socialist law or whatsoever. At the end law is what prevails.

I run allways stock firmware on my s4 and root (for titanium backup) triggered the knox flag. My screen membeane is brocken. You can't connect this to root. It's a clear factory defect. With the rules that samsung is creating I lost my warranty. Nice!

Not to talk about regional cose rules. My opinion they suck.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dsecareanu:
I am not talking about specific cases like the ones you mention. I am talking about the concept in general.

Of course, the screen issue cannot be linked to a software tempering, but the fact that you did break the agreement not to mess with the software still remains regardless of that. It is Samsung's choice if they want to enforce that onto you or not when you go to fix your phone on warranty. They can be assholes and not accept to fix your phone (and this would be a good enough reason to say you won't buy a Samsung anymore because their customer support sucks) or they can be gentlemen and fix your phone's hardware ignoring the software change (it can highly depend from country to country and from repair shop to repair shop).

If you do not get the response you want and if you think the law is on your side, no one stops you from suing them. But stop giving European laws as an example because we talk here about international products. You might be luckier than others 'cause you leave in the right part of Europe, I might not be able to say the same about myself even though my country is also in the EU (for example if I would buy a laptop with an OEM OS, installing any other OS on it would most probably void my laptop warranty as well - this is to show you that your PC example is not perfect).

Again, rooting your phone or installing a custom ROM you did break a tacit agreement you made with Samsung when you bought the phone, regardless of what you believe it's right or wrong and regardless if there is a law saying that this type of activity should not void your warranty. Despite what you say, the primary contract is that between you and Samsung and only after settling that you can go to court and invoke the law if you don't like the outcome.

I voided the warranty on my S4 one month after I bought it. I installed a custom ROM because I chose to do so, knowing that if anything would go wrong I could not go back and ask for warranty on the phone. It was a choice I made and I won't try to cheat the system just because I might think that hardware warranty should not be in the same bucket with software warranty.

So yeah, go figure...
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
"Despite what you say, the primary contract is that between you and Samsung and only after settling that you can go to court and invoke the law if you don't like the outcome."

Just image in this contract would stay, " If you install a custom rom samsung as the right to shoot you." ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] dsecareanu:
Just imagine someone dumb enough to accept that :) and then complain about it when it happens... :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Nobody reads the EULA... People just click on agree box.

That´s why in every country or region they have control institutions to prevent ilegallitys. And the contracts in general are full of them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dsecareanu:
Totally agree.

But then buying food that has gluten in it while you know that you might be allergic to it and still not reading its label is a choice you make knowing that it might have negative impact on you. You might call it food poisoning and an illegality, but then in court I am not sure it would stand.

Same thing with buying cigarettes. It's all over the pack that smoking can kill you. Yet it's not illegal to sell them and no, you most probably won't win if you sue the tobacco company because you developed lung cancer.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Ok friends, not everything is worse and I love socialism indeed.

My S4 came today from Samsung with screen repaired and updated. My knox flag was 0X1 and they repaired with no charges.

Samsung is not so bad. LOL

Will sell my Ipad mini to buy note 8.0.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dsecareanu:
So they were gentlemen after all :).
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
No they followed the rules.

If someone needs in help in case of warranty deny I can give a copy of process in order to press them as users must to be served all the same way. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] CLARiiON:
Sick thread. Someone should put this on life-support..
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Why?! Only because you don´t like it?

You have two solutions, 1st call a mod to close it, 2nd you can bypass it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] a67543210:
It's well known with statistics that iPhone has a higher app crash rate than android
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I kind of have to agree with some of the dissenters here. At least for me, when I rooted my phone, I had no anticipation of ever being able to get warranty coverage. That's why I put a case on my phone and I don't flash custom ROMs. I work with Xposed Framework and such to customize and I remove the things I don't like by myself. I know that I voided my warranty and by all rights I should not get protection for something I agreed NOT to do, but did anyway. I also agree with the sentiment that people have been getting more comfortable with rooting/flashing, such that we believe it's an inherent right and we come to expect it as Android being Android. That's why Samsung especially has gotten hate in these circles for deviating away from what many Android enthusiasts consider staples of the platform; staples Samsung never agreed to abide by in the first place.

I've noticed a lot of comments coming out of left field on here and Reddit about this having an impact on purchasing decisions. Personally for you, that's your choice. Obviously you'll want to buy based on the things you want/need. However, the notion that the "techies control the real market" sounds like a lot of inflated self worth. If you brought up bootloaders/open source/AOSP to any general phone buyer, they won't have the first clue what you're talking about. What they will actually do is look at the surface level and what they're accustomed to, and roll with that. In that regard, Samsung has capitalized on two principles with the Galaxy series at this time:

-Software/features

-Brand recognition

Neither of which is dependent on the aforementioned principles. The features they're bragging about in their commercials and press releases never mention anything to do with ease of rooting or flashing or how close it sticks to Google's design guidelines. They barely even brag about their hardware bits, and the Galaxy series comes out top of the line in that category almost universally.

I'll mention this as a last bit: If you buy your phone with a Credit Card, certain companies like Chase offer phone damage protection. I don't know if this still applies with broken manufacturer warranties, but it's worth investigating if you truly care about this sort of thing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] @xDeepS:
Yeah yeah not reading crap, at the end its Android and XDA always comes to the rescue ;P
[Galaxy S 4 General] tylerholbrook:
So you going to cry I'm not going to buy android again because of the new 4.4. Kitkat security measures???

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-taking-aim-at-device-modders-in-android-4-4-kitkat/
[Galaxy S 4 General] ultramag69:
I'm not going to get in a big argument BUT I am going to say that a lot of those Special features available on their Samsung phones actually started life here or in other Android forums... Most of the groundwork was done here and the original ideas came from people who wanted to test the limits of what they could do.

It was the die had fans that made and refined a lot of these apps that the flagship phones are coming out with today.

What was implemented here and was taken up with unbounded enthusiasm by most of the forum suddenly became available on the next generation of Samsung phones with a proprietry licence to Samsung.

Now we are having a harder time playing with our phones, loosing warranty by gaining root to push the envelope on what can be accomplished on these devices that are in some cases better than our desktops at home, I wonder how it might stunt the wonderful features that have been generated here and then used by these companies as a major cash maker...

What might we now miss out on because someone doesn't want to void their warranty, not everyone can keep getting new devices if their toy breaks....
[Galaxy S 4 General] vampyren:
mm ok i been using my iphone for 4 years and android for over a year and i had very very few crashed on iOS which not what i can say about Android apps, Spotify even makes my S4 unusable to the point that i have to reboot it often since the sound disappears, Flipboard crashes quite often or gets messed up (just to mention a few). On iPhone pretty much everything works smoothly. Maybe if people download millions of free games with low quality crashes are more common but i'm mainly testing quality apps which in 99% of the time i pay for pro versions (hate ads).
[Galaxy S 4 General] RossFixxed:
Yeah I prefer my s4 but my iPhone is far smoother and more reliable. I just like messing with the s4 but from a user experience point of view, ios is very reliable compared to HTC and Samsung stock rom.

Depends on the individual really!
[Galaxy S 4 General] negrobembon:
i think thats more Samsung than Android
[Galaxy S 4 General] 95mediatech:
Just for a information I don't want to argue or diving hardly into the discussion. I have my first Android device it's Sony Ericsson Xperia X8 and I am a noob user. Totally messed with the device HARD BRICKED! 2 time. And coolest part is I use warranty to repair the device both time. Just a bit of lie. I know that time only Sony can unbrick the device.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Arjav23:
i always prefer features, with Samsung provides especially with TW Roms

So i am happy with samsung

If you really feel that samsung is bad, u r most probably referring to the exynos variant

Try the Snapdragon one.

Thats the best!
[Galaxy S 4 General] rsndetre:
I believe that people like you are intentionally messing with two aspects of the problem. Lets clarify:

- bricked, faulty phones as a result of software modifications, should not receive free repairs. That's normal. You lied, your choice, but don't project your theft on all users.

- phones with hardware problems, not caused by the mishandling of the owner,

should

still be entitled to warranty.
[Galaxy S 4 General] htcplussony:
I've seen 'safe mode' on both my S2 and S4 a couple times and usually I only install Tetris, Air Control and Google Translate besides updates for the existing apps.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vampyren:
Exactly my experience and view as well, i love my S4 but its not reliable enough, another example is offline navigation, i have bought so many programs but none is working as good as the ones in iOS (even the same app from same company like Navigon).

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Sorry but can you elaborate? i dont see how its Samsung specific problem? Hardware wise its pretty standard stuff (like snapdragon 600 ) where CPU/GPU are same as many other models so i assume the API calls should be the same on different devices except maybe resolution and such which falls under developers for testing or is there something else specific with samsung that messes with application ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gsmyth:
Good news for touch wiz, hopefully we'll get some benefit by the time they roll 4.4 out.

http://www.talkandroid.com/182654-samsung-will-commit-half-of-its-rd-to-improving-touchwiz/
[Galaxy S 4 General] bala_gamer:
The one reason that makes me to stick with samsung is this .....

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[Galaxy S 4 General] rsndetre:
Look how much is wasted with on screen buttons.
[Galaxy S 4 General] vijayvasa:
Well said.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gsmyth:
Exactly! It makes the others look dull and washed out.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MistahBungle:
I ♥ Samsung. I guess they got sick of being stiffed on fraudulent warranty claims (Yes, this thread is ridiculous).
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Or costumers tyred of fraudulent behavior.

Like waiting a year for a phone replacement. Or not updating phones 6 months just to sell flagship phones like s3 and note 2. Phones with faulty build quality. Open your eyes friend. A brand is not like be fan of some football team.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Flo354:
If you're not satisfied, don't buy samsung products in the future.

But samsung is the most open source manufacturer.

Triangle Away reinitialize your counter to 0...
[Galaxy S 4 General] rsndetre:
Samsung and Google are starting to have not a healthy attitude towards their customers.

Pay a visit to web or location history in google. If you are a power user, and you don't know this yet, you might have a shock.

Anyway, since I had the surprise to find events auto-added in my S planner I installed out of curiosity Android Firewall and I was in for another shock. Basicly almost all gapps are trying to connect to the network, youtube included and wasn't in use.

And really Samsung, why Watchon needs internet when I didn't even configured or launched it.

Now Google is pushing everything toward Google+. Your Youtube account is linked to it. Your photos might end up shared publicly if you don't pay attention. To get a time to home card in Google Now you have to agree to wifi always on, etc.

Guys, we own this phones. I personally paid about 600 Euro for S4.

I don't want my phone to be an advertising or spying tool for either Google or Samsung. I don't want Samsung to push overnight a dubious security solution to my phone.

It's my damn phone !!! And if it has a hardware failure, I am expecting to be repaired/replaced.

I wont go for Nexus 5.Next time, I might switch the platform altogether. After all, Samsung and Google are making Microsoft to look almost benevolent.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
all platforms spy... your better off not using a cellphone like a 3310 or none at all.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Done! Bought an ipad mini instead gtab 3. Very satisfied! And I was a apple hater. Ay least my pad is updated. Don't need to wait that the flagships be updated first not ti hurt the sales. And next phone surely will not be a galaxy.
[Galaxy S 4 General] exynoss:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] grattis:
Samsung is over! The rules of the game cannot be changed while the game is going on...

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[Galaxy S 4 General] r.spanish:
Why not a Nexus instead? I bought an N7FHD for that very reason, up to date, and no more TW bloatware!

Some people are passionate owners, i used to be. If you asked me 18 months ago when i owned my S2, just what i thought of Samsung products, id probably give you a fanboyish biased answer.

Yes i too am guilty of that. Mind you, then i was flashing a new ROM/update almost fortnightly. It was great and fun, i learned a lot about Android too.

These days im running a stock S4, much like my N7. The only thing i did with my phone was flash an foreign firmware, because the Australian one is gimped in comparison due to legal proceedings with Apple.

Knox or not, i still enjoy Sammy products, from my like clockwork (pardon the pun) S4, to my now partners S2 and Note 10.1, my 50" TV ...etc.

What am i doing on XDA one might ask if not modifying my device anymore? Well i find it a good up to date source of information for my devices, even for non-tinkerers like myself.

Horses for courses, in my workplace im outnumbered, literally surrounded by iphones. No-one to talk to about anything Android. In fact these poor souls are adamant that my gear is inferior, quite sad and narrow minded really. Pack mentality and all that.

Anyway long rant TLDR; whatever floats your boat :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] nikzDHD:
I've got an N7 2013 and also an iPad 3rd gen. I've had various android tablets in the past. I'm a user of anything that's good. Don't get me wrong the N7 is fantastic there are many things I can do on Android which I can't do on iOS but I say this now app wise iPads have tons of tablet optimised apps that work flawlessly. Android is very lacking in this department. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. Enjoy the tech you have.
[Galaxy S 4 General] negrobembon:
i kinda agree here, i still prefer android over iOS, and use it exclusively(except for the odd i5 on my desk)

but when it comes to tablet optimized apps, iOS has a clear advantage, most android apps are optimized for phones(some don't even have landscape mode) and even if they "adjust" to the tablet its still not the same
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
And happy with it. At least I m updated so long the hardware complains. And they should learn a bit about build quality. But I still prefer android. And I don't have mediaserver drains like on my n7 s3 and s4 that heats the battery ruining android experience. God bless you friend.
[Galaxy S 4 General] exynoss:
Sorry for my last reply buddy really sorry. everyone has their own choices for choosing gadgets. have a nice day ahead.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Fully agree with you. And in android tablets (mostly nexus) is this mediaserver drain issue. In my n7 I get from 3 to 8 hours battery time. When mediaserver is sleeping I get a good experience. Otherwise no matter what rom or firmware I have battery goes in 3 hours (screen time). In ios you don't have such thing. For me ios is to much closed to be reliable, even to put movies and thongs is ridiculous. But when you have the thing in the hands you feel the difference on build quality. Never had a android tab with this user experience. And I own lot of tablets.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Hmm. I guess someone forgot to tell Samsung... ;)

Sorry, Google: Samsung has flat-out conquered Android

By Brad Reedon Nov 8, 2013 at 2:35 PM

All of Google’s marketing clout hasn’t been enough to reduce Samsung’s total dominance of its Android platform. The latest data from Localytics estimate that Samsung devices now account for 63.3% of all Android devices in the entire world, a dominant share that has left rival manufacturers far behind. All other major Android vendors are stuck with single-digit market shares including HTC (6.5%), LG (5.9%), Sony (5.6%) and the Google-owned Motorola (5%). What’s more, Samsung devices account for the top 7 most popular Android devices in the world, led by the Galaxy S III and Galaxy S IV flagship smartphones. The only non-Samsung devices to crack the top 10 most popular Android devices are the HTC One and the Motorola Droid RAZR. Localytics’ chart breaking down Android market share follows below.

http://bgr.com/2013/11/08/samsung-android-devices-market-share/​

The One is the best phone HTC's ever made. Their revenue, profit, and market share are in a free fall. The LG G2 is the best phone LG ever made. In Q2 they sold 11M smartphones in total. In Q3 they sold 12M and spent a fortune advertising the G2. Whatever makes people buy Samsung phones is still in full force and the issues enthusiasts (XDA'rs) have with Samsung clearly aren't indicative of the general consumer market.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ixon2001:
I miss the original Galaxy S days, when back then you could basically do what you wanted with your phone & was near impossible to brick, unless you totally didn't know what you was doing.

Updates aswell where pretty regular if you owned a simfree Galaxy S, and plenty of firmwares where always leaked aswell for you to test.

These days Samsung have gone the way of Apple, I've got shut of my S4 because i didn't like the direction Samsung is going & i won't be buying a S5.

Luckily Google & LG have got it right this time with the Nexus 5, the camera finally decent aswell, installing Nova Launcher as improved it even more, I know of 5 people that got rid of their S4's for a nexus 5, and like me where former Galaxy fans that won't be investing in the S5 come next year.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nikzDHD:
I've got the Nexus 5 got one to play with. It's a great device and KitKat is great but I've decide to keep my S4. The N5 stock experience is plenty fast and fluid in everything. However, there's a few things I'll be losing by giving up my S4.

These are my personal opinions on why I'm keeping the S4:

1) IR blaster, pair it with the Smart IR app and you have a harmony remote on your phone for a fraction of the price,

2) MicroSD, I've got a 64gb card on mine, all my videos, music, pictures, games etc lie on my card, FolderMount is excellent for big games, sure I've got unlimited data and can stream but not as convenient as having the files straight on your device and I can view/play/listen where ever I may be,

3) Battery, I've got 2 batteries, useful I can take an extra battery with me if I know I'm going to have heavy usage or out till late rather than having a dead phone or carrying a power pack,

4) AMOLED, no other screen can match the deep blacks of this type of screen, I'd have deeper blacks than whiter whites maybe that's why I have a plasma tv at home and the viewing angles are great too,

5) TouchWiz, I know many despise this but I have a use for it, some of the features like airview, gestures, etc I personally make use off,

6) Samsung music player, I like it, with adapt sound I get great sound on my pair of IEMS, again an airview enabled app has pretty useful functions,

7) I personally like the look of the device, and fits well in the hand.

8) The Camera app, far better than the AOSP/Stock app, plenty of options to cater for various types of shots and it's quick. Burst mode on skinned camera apps something Stock apps lack.

9) The stock phone app, has some pretty adapt sound functions in place as well, with options to increase loudness during call with the press of one button on the screen, again a TW feature that is useful in noisy situations,

10) Native syncing, for social networks like FaceBook, I know Sense does this too, I know HaxSync and Sync.me can do similar things, but this is natively built in to the phone, I sync my Facebook account so all my friends birthdays are synced and appear on S Planner with a handy link to their wall pages.

Personally, I'm rooted and modded so that allows me to have a greater experience of the device thanks to all the Devs, running Xposed with WanamXposed to mod the rom to my liking.

A few other reasons too. Now I agree the direction Samsung are taking is different with Knox and such but Knox has it's purpose. Thankfully I'm on the old boot loader running 4.3 but sooner or later I'd probably need the new bootloader but at the moment it all works smoothly.

To me I'm happy with my device for the time being and let's see what the S5 has to offer as well as the competition before I decide what to do.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aarun444:
my bootloader is corrupted while doing the easy s off ,so any one tell me how to flash stock ruu exe in charge only mod,or any other solution pls tell me
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KidCarter93:
In future, please don't create duplicate threads just because someone hasn't replied to you yet.

If no one has answered your question it's either because they don't know the answer or your thread hasn't been seen by anyone yet. While I understand that problems with your phone can be distressing, you must be patient so that it gives people time to be able to help you.

Don't create duplicate threads in future or you will receive an official warning.

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