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[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] rushless:
I do see the iOS market as better for quality and understand the consumer and market perception (to some degree). I still prefer Android due to emulators and more freedom, but most commercial apps that I have on both usually perform better on my iPad.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] aimfire72:
Ehh, I currently own a Note 3, Gear watch, a Nexus 4, and a Nexus 7. I typically prefer Android all the way. But in the 10" tablet arena, there aren't many options for a an Android tablet with a high resolution display. And the few that are decent, tend to suffer from build quality issues - at least in my experience. I hate to say it, but there hasn't been one 10" Android tablet to really knock it out of the park yet.

As for Apple ripping people off... The price of the Note 10 32gb and iPad Air 32gb are both $599. Apple sells their smart cover for $39, while Samsung has the book cover at $59. They are both about equal on this.

As for overall features, the Note 10 wins over the iPad Air. But on build quality and apps, iPad Air takes the prize. I'm totally an Android fan boy, but I try to be fair.

I just went through 3 Note 10's and all had various build quality issues. I finally gave up on it and got an iPad Air today. It was perfect out of the box on the first try, no issues whatsoever. Again, I love the Galaxy product line, but Samsung needs to step up their game. :/
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] californiarailroader:
Samsung's accessories are overpriced too. You're paying more for the name than you are the actual product. Like jeans, Levi's are more than Wrangler or Lee, but are they really worth the premium they ask? I don't think so. Sometimes you get less than you pay for ;) Price is sometimes a good indicator of quality or worth, but not always.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] mi7chy:
iPad Air has worse issues. Apple is doing a good job of paying their iTrolls weekend overtime pay to bash the competition as usual.

http://www.product-reviews.net/2013/11/02/ios-7-0-3-crashing-and-ipad-air-flickering-problems/
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] msavic6:
After playing with an iPad Air and the Note 10.1 2014, the iPad really impressed me with its build quality and the thing was blazing fast in general.

The Note 10.1 may have the S-Pen and and multiwindow but it just doesn't have the "wow" factor and the pen doesn't really convince me to get rid of my notebook.

When I was choosing my first tablet, it was between the Motorola Xoom and the iPad, the Xoom impressed me at that time with its overall package and it had smaller bezels than the iPad. Fast forward 2 1/2 years and the measly tegra 2 in the xoom is lagging while streaming 720p youtube videos, so it's time to upgrade.

Im thinking I will go the same way as you and pick up an LTE iPad Air and call it a day.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Ettepetje:
Yesterday evening and today I also got my hands on an iPad Air in a local shop. I have to say it is mostly a joy to hold, though I dislike the bezel configuration. The bezel needlessly makes it look ugly imo, emphasizing the wrong dimension. They managed to build in "thumb ignore", meaning you can just grab the screen with your thumb on it and the software will just ignore it. Great, but hope we do see a bezel less tablet soon really.

What I dislike about the iPad Air, besides the bezel, is the meager 1GB of RAM in all likelihood leading to part of the crashes people reported (and AnandTech discussed in detail).

Also the lesser display (compared to my iPad 4 and 2014 Note 10.1) deserves mention. It might be what AnandTech found on their unit, lesser contrast, but both iPad Airs in the shop looked poorer in comparison. Also, display quality varies substantially between units as I discovered with the iPad 4 the past year, having owned several units. This adds a sense of risk.

Overal I am impressed with the iPad Air, performance wise and weight wise. I might buy one to carry around with me, together with my 2014 Note 10.1. The iPad 4 can then stay at home. The Note 10.1 is still King in movie watching, note taking (using LectureNotes) and drawing. They (iPad Air and 2014 Note 10.1) are a great team!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] mi7chy:
Might make an exception for my nephew who's starting 6th grade to get an iPad but, surprisingly, he wants a touch laptop with discrete graphics for the weekend game nights with his buddies. Wise choice as it'll prepare him for the real world. Was looking at Surface Pro 2 but I think it's just IGP.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] msavic6:
What tablet do you own? Just my curiosity. I know that neither the iPad nor any android flagship is perfect but since you seem to be so sensitive to any issue, your tablet has to be perfect.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] mi7chy:
Interesting that an established site finally covers this glaring iPad/iPhone limitation with obsolete DRAM size. Maybe most people stay in only one app but I've experienced Safari reloading and losing whatever I was commenting on just switching between two apps on iPad. Typically switch between browser with two tabs, Gmail, Google Voice SMS, Groove IP Voice over IP, XBMC or YouTube, Lecture Notes, etc. with no issues on Note II 2GB or Note 3 3GB.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] deathshead:
Thought this was XDA not an ipad forum,.. "MAAAAAAN!"

That being said I have an ipad 2 and I just sold my Nexus 10.

The ipad is annoying and frustrating to use.

you cant even play streaming radio and open any webpage that has a video link in it without it

stopping audio because it cant figure out what to do..

The ipad is 1 dimensional, and ios is getting old and tired.

the air wont get jailbroken for a long time.

Multitasking is frustrating, etc everyone knows all of this..

The Nexus 10 was frustrating as well.

I went thru 3 of them, the 4th was actually sent directly from Googles mountview campus by the Nexus engineering team.

the battery life was a joke, it heat throttled, and "bent" graphics when scrolling while browsing.

I would get 3-4hrs of battery on the Nexus 10 when the ipad 2 runs all day long with my 5 year old.

I was a hardcore AOSP only person. I played into all the hype and jumped onto the "I hate touchwiz bandwagon"

Until I got my note 3. Its been amazing. just rooted with Xposed and its modules its all I could ever really need with my specific tweaks.

The Note 3 is awesome in all ways I could have imagined after struggling with an always quirky Galaxy nexus. It was another one with a always dead battery and would break always at times where i really needed it.

Now, - If the Tab 10.1 2014 is ANYTHING like the note 3 Im sold and ordering tonight.

Ipad may have some more tablet specific apps, but I never use them on the ipad, the majority of my time is spent surfing, playing radio and video, social media, etc and having multiwindow makes that even better.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] dr.m0x:
I have the Note 3 which is a truly amazing device. Just picked up a Note 10.1 2014 yesterday to replace last years model. The original was a great tool for note taking and the only major complaint I had was that the screen resolution was horrible. No such issue this time around - the screen is beautiful, sharp and bright as well. I was using it in the sun earlier and was throughly impressed.

Battery life seems like it may be a little worse than last year but that hardly surprising. There must be a cost to the extra pixels and brightness. I'm not totally sold on having air command on the pen button either. Id prefer quick access to the eraser while I'm in s-note. That app is a step backwards in some regards but also a step forward in others. In spite of its shortcomings, I've still decided to switch from lecture notes this time around for one reason onIy -the s-finder indexing.

Gone are the days of having to manually tag my notebooks. Now I just write my notes and forget about them. Later On if I want to look something up I can use s-finder to search through every handwritten word which is an amazingly helpful feature.

The only thing that can beat this device for note taking is the surface pro with pen + one note but that thing is much less portable and battery life is poor as well.

I do wish I could have gotten this cheaper (who doesn't like cheaper) but overall I've a good feeling that I will easily get value for money in the long run.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Geordie Affy:
Seems like Apple lovers are trying to corrupt our brains. Little do they know we are strong minded ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] skyline23:
Big Samsung and Note fan, but after returning my 10.1 for performance issues, I decided to give the iPad air a try. It's very fast, and smooth as expected, but doesn't have the 'openness' of android.

I also have a G pad on order, and can't wait to try that out and decide which one to keep.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Ettepetje:
You could also call it stubborn. ;)

But I am really happy with the openness of Android, although this more and more seems to be disappearing looking at both Samsung (knox warranty) and Google (forcing you more and more into their version of the world, like Hangouts and Google Now with 4.4).
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] vdc530:
The Apple hardware is heads and shoulders above anything on android tablet's but that OS, man oh man that crappy, android copying, stuck in 2006, OS....

iOS is for subservient losers who like being told what's good for them. I don't play that game.

If only someone would make an android tablet with that Apple build quality tho.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] msavic6:
Any examples of the openness the iPad lacks? I haven't used an iOS device since the 3GS so I have forgotten exactly how limited iOS is.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] skyline23:
Lots!

No file manager. Can't play my own avi,MPEG, divx files. Can't delete photos or music in iOS...no Dlna, I can go on and on. But... I bought it to surf the net, read news while in the couch and bed. There is no smoother experience.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] californiarailroader:
That's open to debate as well. I think there are a lot of good tablets out there, Android, Windows and Apple, so get what you can afford and/or works for you, and be happy, sometimes I think people get so preoccupied with "mine is bigger than yours" and "oooh, the version 5 years down the line is being worked on, now my fun toy is out of date!" that they fail to enjoy the amazing tech sitting in their hands.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] vdc530:
I was looking at Anandtech's review of the iPad Air because I knew that in the benchmarks it would be compared to the Note 10.1 '14 and it just wrecks everything. It's a beast caged behind one terrible OS.

I own an iPad 4 and even though I love the quality and the aesthetics of the hardware, the OS just doesn't gel with my personality. I like having options, even ones I don't even plan on entertaining. I've had so many moments when I've wanted to do something and couldn't figure out how, so I searched online and came across same answer nearly every time "You can't." followed by "Why would you want to?" Just yesterday, I wanted to disable swipe to unlock, because I feel it's pointless on a tablet, what did I get after asking about it? "You can't and why would you even want to? There's a reason why Apple put it there." or after I updated to iOS 7 and got nothing but browser crashes and I wanted to revert back to iOS 6, but guess what "You can't." Apparently, Herr Cook doesn't deem it necessary.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] californiarailroader:
The guy is using my last name too, not cool. :D LOL
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] vdc530:
LOL what a coincidence. I'm sure that's where the similarities end though. You seem much more open minded. :good:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] californiarailroader:
Thanks! I try to be, sometimes it doesn't work though :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] golfinggino:
I picked up this tablet today I am really impressed with the screen as most are I don't seem to have any issues with lag I did one update and everything is running fine. I sold my Asus infinity yesterday and will now work on selling my Sony tablet z this one is a keeper ! I am really surprised there is no development here yet, hopefully that will come soon
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] mi7chy:
False considering Apple use Samsung and other vendors for display, DRAM, flash memory, SoC manufacturing, etc. Plus, as much as I like beer when I hold a recycled aluminum beer can the thought of premium doesn't come to mind. The only premium is Apple's marketing which seems to be effective at distorting people's mind. On the other hand, ask Lockheed-Martin what they use to manufacture their world premiere F-22 Raptor fighter's canopy. Surprise! It's polycarbonate. Don't believe? Google it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Geordie Affy:
Great point, I recently worked on the A380 and that has many parts which are made from re-inforced plastics and they dont look cheap either ;). A380 is a beautiful machine as is the Note 10.1 :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] msavic6:
A beer can is wafer thin, the iPad Air/HTC One aluminum backs and chasis are quite a bit thicker, hence the solid feel they have.

Nobody said polycarbonate was a bad material, but the way Samsung utilizes it on their tablets leaves plenty of room for improvement. Samsung phones have benefits from the plastic bodies such as a removable batteries and increased durability and in this usage scenario, plastic doesn't bother me.

An A380 has pretty much zero fault tolerance, a note 10.1 does not. You can't expect Samsung to use the same quality materials on their $600 tablet that is used on a $400 million air craft.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] mi7chy:
Don't matter if recycled aluminum is thick or thin it still dents and it's permanent. And, don't get me started on how dumb it is to surround and degrade radio signal with a Faraday cage. Polycarbonate don't have these issues.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Geordie Affy:
I never said Samsung should use such material?? I was merely just having a laugh hence the wink at the end...maybe I should have made that clearer, The point I was trying to get at was plastic doesn't always mean cheap, personally I love the look of the new Note 10.1 (and the A380 :)) compared to an Ipad - I find Ipads boring since they all pretty much look the same as the 1st gen.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] vdc530:
I was referring mostly to the CPU. Going from the benchmarks at Anandtech it crushes everything. And the CPU may be manufactured by Samsung, but it is designed by Apple to the best of my knowledge.

RAM is a head scratcher though with the iPad. How is 1GB still sufficient after all this time? Well, it isn't, because the damn thing has apps crash all the time.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] mi7chy:
Not really. For graphics and system benchmarks the Note 10.1 2014 Exynos 5420 is faster than A7 in iPhone 5s. And, Snapdragon 800 variant will be even faster since it's similar to Note 3 Snapdragon 800. Browser benchmarks are unscientific since they don't use the same browser and therefore useless.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_101_2014-review-1003p5.php

GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt (1080p off-screen)

Note 3 Snapdragon 68 fps

Note 10.1 2014 Exynos 60 fps

iPhone 5s 56 fps

GLBenchmark 2.7 T-Rex (1080p off-screen)

Note 3 Snapdragon 26 fps

iPhone 5s 23 fps

Note 10.1 2014 Exynos 22 fps

Geekbench 3

Note 3 Snapdragon 2937

Note 10.1 2014 Exynos 2743

iPhone 5s 2561

This sums up the iPad Air and A7. It's an iLagPad per typical iFan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fRpBvHupPWk#t=300
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] msavic6:
Nobody said it was indestructible, if you abuse something, of course it will get damaged. Plastic is better at shock absorption but it doesn't remain perfect forever. Plastic will chip, scratch and dent as I have seen happen on multiple S4's.

The iPad seems to do fine with its aluminum body regarding signal strength. Prove me wrong! I highly doubt any Samsung device with its notoriously bad radios will have signal strength better than the iPad.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Moscow Desire:
Knock it off with the iPad comparisons. You guys wanna pump up Apple, go to the Apple forums please. Don't feel like putting out flame wars today.

Thank You

MD
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] redstar299:
Ripped off is a matter of opinion. Are people who spend thousands of dollars on a Rolex or a 1/4 million on a Bentley being ripped off? Depends on who you ask. Apple is a premium type of brand they aren't looking to be price competitive. I wouldnt drop top dollar one on but plenty of people do
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Han Solo 1:
I own a Note 3 which blows iPhone 5s out of the water (my wife has one, and it's no comparison).

But for some reason, the iPad Air doesn't lag. I ended up returning my 2014 10.1 and getting the Air. For my work purposes, I just can't be putting up with lag and slow PDF annotating/page turning during fast-paced meetings where everyone is zipping through hundreds of PDF pages on their iPads.

I'm not a huge Apple fan; they stopped innovating and the iPad Air is not much different than the 4. But for media/reading/annotation/app aesthetics, it is superior to anything Android offers at the moment, including the Note 10.1.

I am SERIOUSLY missing the multi-window and S-Pen from the Samsung tablet, but the lag just outweighed the good. If down the road there is a general consensus that all lag is gone as a result of multiple firmware upgrades, back to the Note 10.1 I go.

Or maybe the 12.2 will be lag free? Who knows. But for now, I don't have blinders on, pretending that the iPad isn't superior to the 10.1.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] mi7chy:
Lets not kid ourselves. Rolex and Bentley aren't Made in China and not sold in Walmart.

iPad Air is plagued by low memory limitation and crashes:

Reports of iPad Air crashes on official Apple support forum
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] vdc530:
So now we can't compare Android devices to Apple devices? Are we supposed to act like the Apple devices don't exist or something?

I'm confused by this post.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] red321red321:
Samsung has released a third update that gets rid of lag. You can also try pdfmax, let's you zip through huge pdfs as easily as on an ipad.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] gdmatson:
Newly purchase over the weekend. All 3 updates immediately on start up, then a factory reset. White 16g and completely stock. I haven't used the spen at all. My last tablet was a Asus Infinity which I came to hate so much it almost turned me to the dark side (apple). I went to Best Buy to compare the Ipad Air and the Note 2014, with full intentions of buying the Apple. One of my biggest gripes with the Asus was the lag. After reading this thread on the Note 2014 having a lag, I didn't see me coming home with a Samsung. Well I played with both until I was bored (approx 20 min each). Not only didn't I see a lag, but sincerely felt the Note was more fluid. Totally shocked, I walked out with nothing. Had dinner to think about it. My conclusion was the Apple didn't compare. After 3 days of use, I made the right choice. Really enjoying this thing!!!

I made this same post on the lag thread, but felt it was more applicable on this one.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Moscow Desire:
I don't think I need to explain myself, if you can't figure it out on your own then you need to go to a social networking site like MySpace, as XDA is NOT one of those, and no, there is no freedom of speech here.

It was a simple request to avoid future flaming. If you don't like it, please feel free to engage in other technical forums that allow it.

Or would you rather the flaming continues, and the thread just gets closed? The General Forum is for General talk about the specific device. But it has it's limits. When the topic generates flaming, it gets closed. Please read the rules.

Thank You

MD
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] msavic6:
Do you feel you have a need for the S-Pen? I feel that it isnt enough to replace an actual notebook for me and the note taking apps on android for tablets don't seem that enticing.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] jack880:
The LectureNotes app transformed the tablet for me. Until I found that, I agree that there didn't seem any good apps for note taking.

I use LectureNotes for work every day and couldn't do without it. It's so much better than using a real notebook - the ability to import images and pdfs (in whole or in part) and write on a separate layer over the top of them is really useful. The app takes a while to set up as there are so many settings you can customise, but once it's done it's really powerful. It makes excellent use of the s-pen.

I export my notebook to pdf and print it as I go along so I've always got a paper copy of my notes if I need them.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] gdmatson:
To answer your question, no I don't personally have a use for the spen yet. That wasn't a selling point for me. I may use it from time to time, if I find a need. For now it stays in its hole.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] louvass:
With 3 updates I beg to differ. there is no lag at all on my tablet.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Han Solo 1:
Even when waking? No one I've talked to has instant wake.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ChrisNee1988:
Hey Han, i've been following your issues. Yes with the latest update, waking is much faster but there are times where it still takes a few seconds.

BTW are you the same Han who gave us leaks on Verizon Galaxy Nexus release?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Han Solo 1:
lol, yep. That was an epic thread!

I think I'm taking the Air back and returning to the Note 10.1.

I'll just ride it til all the issues are fixed, hopefully, with more updates. That S-Pen is just too good.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ekotim:
apple as a more robust material but to think they can do with android tablet.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Han Solo 1:
I see.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] {Diemex}:
My tab wakes up quicker than I can count to one. My old tab 7.7 has wake issues, it can take pretty long and I have to press the power button multiple times. Something to do with deep sleep I think. But the Note is dandy fine, takes like 1/2 second but not more. Even with the stock MJ2. I'm not sure if we are talking about the same device lol.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] rboy28:
I confirm to {Diemex} - my note is fast even while waking (MJ6). Maybe it's a regional firmware issue - who knows?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] orlandojumpoff:
My Note is running great with the latest update... I've tried many tablets over the past few years and this is the best one yet. Loving this thing.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] arcadiua:
Loving mine as well. I am coming directly from a Transformer Prime TF201, which was pretty good in its day. This tablet is great to look at, fast and I love the pen. Been using instead of paper notebooks and work and I am enjoying the transition much more than I thought I would. I would like to get a better pen and a better case, but I am patient and I am sure the book cover case will be available in Canada soon and I hope to soon get my hands on a bamboo stylus ( they don't seem to ship to Canada).
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] kEvinErd:
Lol that's very true. I read these types of comments often..