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[Galaxy Note 3 General] designgears:
KNOX stuff still works even if the flag is 0x1.

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I personally see it as 0x0, your data is secure, 0x1, data is secured with knox, but the system has been compromised and no way to guarantee it is truly secure.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Breach:
One horse's cliff may be another horse's hurdle. ;)

So what you are saying is that if you knew rooting your Note 3 would void your warranty, you wouldn't root it?

If I can preserve my warranty and still get root, I will.. otherwise, screw the warranty. That's why I am here.

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It's funny when I say one thing, Bruce calls it double talk...

but when someone says the same thing in a different way..

Bruce agrees by 'Thanking' the guy. ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Seraphim401:
Seriously. Getting Knoxed should be a meme :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
Ever owned an Xbox? PS3? Or maybe an old VCR? Television? Microwave? Fridge?

Seen the sticker on the inside? The one that says "If this seal is broken, warranty is void"?

Exact same thing.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bruce lee roy:
Good one!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] designgears:
Where is this sticker that trips knox?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
It's digital, evidently there is no sticker. I haven't given it a go, but is there no such warning?

In the very least Samsung and every single tech website and magazine and newspaper out there has run the article about it. So if you missed the information, it might be a good idea to come out of the basement ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bruce lee roy:
It's attached to the eFuse.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Limeybastard:
I bet Samsung has some real stickers somewhere inside that show its been opened or not.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] shaungregg:
I've never had warranty work done on anything in my life aside from my cars, if my phone happened to die then T-Mobile would replace it under my equipment protection plan. I seriously doubt T-MO would even mention Knox while repairing my phone but the worst case scenario would see me have to report it lost and pay my deductible for another one if they denied me. I suppose my defense would be I thought I was voiding my Knox environment warranty lol
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
Probably right next to the water-sensitive film that tells them if your phone has been wet. Yes, there is a very good chance there is such a sticker.

It's been the practise for a very long time.

I recall that modifying the software on any console also voided the warranty. (It certainly did on the Wii I owned for about a week.)

As does installing a non-official version of Windows on a laptop. (A customROM is not official, either. It doesn't have to be about piracy.)

I have a mediabox that has a very specific label in the manual that says if I install anything but non-official updates on it, the warranty is void.

I'm sure if people stop and think for a second, they know an example or two themselves as well.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Limeybastard:
Yep, I remember the old skool Ericsson SCH 888 world phone days, they put the sticker ontop of the torx screw.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] xp500:
Here's how I take it from reading things, I think you are correct that it does mean different things. But I'm in america, I bought a phone from Asia I don't think that I'm going to be able to get a warranty because Samsung USA won't fix my phone and I tried to register it on Samsung Koreas website and they wanted the store I'd and some other info so I think I'm Sol if it does need a warranty . that might be different depending on where you buy the phone so when a good ROM comes out I'm.flashing it .
[Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
I met a Samsung rep today at a Corp Verizon store, long story short he's up on XDA and stated Samsung will still honor your warranty even if knox is tripped. He clearly stated that as long as your phone hasn't been damage by overclocking that Sammy would honor. He also stated in some countries it's illegal for Sammy to lock bootloaders and not honor warranties because of software related issues.

I'm not saying it true, just stating what he told me
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
In New Zealand we can just take the shop to the small claims court. Costs only $30 and they'll have to honour warranty on a hardware fault. Problem is that the judgement would only be against the shop. If they wanted to get reimbursed by Samsung they would then have to take them to court. Good luck.

I'm sure Knox counter only exists because a phone that has been rooted is potentially no longer secure. A skilled hacker could use root to access protected data, maybe even the Knox container itself.

Sent from my SM-N9005
[Galaxy Note 3 General] RavenY2K3:
I'll post the email I got from them, I already did do in one of the other threads, I'll fish it out when u get home from work.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
This can't be true since KNOX is also on the n900 but not the knox warranty void in download mode.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ValenteL:
Always the KNOX:

If You read this : http://www.sammobile.com/2013/10/09...alaxy-note-3-causes-hardware-damage-say-what/

Rooting-and-flashing-custom-software-on-the-galaxy-note-3-causes-hardware-damage

Why? Because 0x1 seems to be a fuse that is opened inside a ship like a PROM. Impossible to close it inside:

From Wikipédia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_read-only_memory

I quote from it:

A typical PROM comes with all bits reading as "1". Burning a fuse bit during programming causes the bit to read as "0". The memory can be programmed just once after manufacturing by "blowing" the fuses, which is an irreversible process. Blowing a fuse opens a connection while programming an antifuse closes a connection (hence the name). While it is impossible to "unblow" the fuses, it is often possible to change the contents of the memory after initial programming by blowing additional fuses, changing some remaining "1" bits in the memory to "0"s. (Once all of the bits are "0", no further programming change is possible.)

The bit cell is programmed by applying a high-voltage pulse not encountered during normal operation across the gate and substrate of the thin oxide transistor (around 6V for a 2 nm thick oxide, or 30MV/cm) to break down the oxide between gate and substrate. The positive voltage on the transistor’s gate forms an inversion channel in the substrate below the gate, causing a tunneling current to flow through the oxide. The current produces additional traps in the oxide, increasing the current through the oxide and ultimately melting the oxide and forming a conductive channel from gate to substrate.

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Then to change to 0x0 we must replace the board whit this ship on the phone.

Why 0x1 ???

The reason is the secured system KNOX. Older bootloaders aren't secured enough.

The 0x1 before the warranty is a great secured reason. A Phone whit 0x1 is insecure for Enterprises and Governments.

See this also: https://www.samsungknox.com/overview/technical-details

I quote from it:

Secure Android Platform

Samsung KNOX offers a multi-faceted security solution rooted in the tamper-resistant device hardware, through the Linux kernel and Android operating system. The first line of defense against malicious attacks, Samsung KNOX is currently approved to run on US Department of Defense networks. (If flag 0x0, my opinion).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bruce lee roy:
[MENTION=5260385]valene[/MENTION]L Thanks for info. Guess Samsung found way to circumvent even EU laws with this eFuse- sucks for n3 users that like to flash custom roms.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ultramag69:
Its not about security, its about the mighty $$... If they can refuse warranty repairs on a large number of devices it will save the company a bundle of cash....

Unfortunately there may be ways to trip the counter that hasn't been found yet that will effect a lot of people. So what if it was blown through a mishap of OTA, its your word against theirs....

This will save a massive amount of cash, but in the long run its gonna bring them down as people suddenly affected can't get their $800+ toy fixed, and an $800 paperweight is not a solution I'm happy with....

Dev's can keep doing what they do but the fact is this is simply a money grab from a big corporation.

It's like the rise of Apple all over again.

This may very well be my last Samsung phone... And all that free word of mouth now goes to a competitor. I know at least a few people who now have Samsung phones that I steered away from Apple, so its not just 1 or 2 people but a whole network that have now soured and been lost...

Whats next, no removable battery and no sd card support. Recommendations on what can and can't be done and only Samsung approved apps being installed...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Breach:
I'm glad you agree that Knox 0x0 is about ability to warranty/guarantee that the system (and private/business data) has not been compromised, and 0x1 displays that the system and data may have been compromised and Samsung can not warranty/guarantee the data is secure.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sicerr:
What I don't understand, if I root my device and my power button falls off, I'm not covered? Would root access to a device really make my button fall off? Now I kind of do understand the internals such as CPU, because overclocking can cause issues. But if I uninstall Windows and install Linux, would that void my hardware warranty with Dell?

I thought Knox was for enterprise level, which can also be used on a private level as well. Knox from my understanding was to level the playing field with IOS and Blackberry on the enterprise side. Since Android was security was considered weaker then the other two. So I'm having a hard time understanding why my warranty will be voided if my device has root access and my home button falls off. I did contact Samsung USA and asked, If Knox was to trip and I get a 0x1 will my warranty be voided?

Response was "I am sorry to say that there is no information regarding Knox"

My Knox did trip, I was loading a stock firmware non rooted, but I believe the file was corrupt or it was a bad download. I was caught in the "Unable to boot normal mode. Odin mode" and it would go straight into download mode, I thought an issue while flashing the firmware, so I changed USB ports and tried to re-flash that same firmware, and tripped Knox. I don't see anything from Samsung that's consistant or concrete when it involves voiding the warranty, as many people already get "Yes or No" answers depending on who they talk to. If it does void HW warranty than, how come some tech support are not sure? I would think it would be yes across the board and all tech support will know about it. Excuse my rambling, but it just don't make sense to me.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] phi11yphan:
I've heard that before... and yes its about $$... but it's conjecture to assume the reason Samsung implemented Knox is primarily to reduce RMA.

How much might it cost Sammy to replace consumer-tampered Notes worldwide? 10 million?

How much revenue might corporate/government sales and contracts generate for Sammy worldwide by using the business-oriented, productivity-geared, Knox-enabled Note to demonstrate leadership in the secure-mobile-device market? 500 million?

Estimated figures aside, it seems more likely Sammy has better reasons than locking down the < 2% of users that mess with bootloaders. But again, that's just more conjecture....

Sent from my rooted Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 GT-P7510

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So they confirmed it is in fact eFuse?

Sent from my rooted Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 GT-P7510
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ValenteL:
To remeber today 21.01.2014.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] s1m4an:
Long story short my camera was faulty (it stopped focusing), the service center acknowledged that it's a hardware defect so I asked around if it would be covered under warranty if KNOX is tripped.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] st3chn0:
My thought on this is that they're no longer considering the majority of end users. The general public (who are not millionaire business men). Even those with a note 3 will probably get another phone for work related purposes such as blackberry only reason they're still alive

Why couldn't they just make it as optional add on like it's done on windows
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pete4k:
If you read between the lines, they did gave you way out me think, suggesting you take it to independent shop. Independent shop may or may not check for Knox and since they get pay either way, I would think they could just fix it and bill Samsung who would have no way of verifying Knox flag at that point. It just a matter of finding friendly local shop, authorized for Samsung warranty repairs. I would think it would be worth at least looking into it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] s1m4an:
You could be right, but AFAIK the only authorized service in my region is the one that holds my warranty, and after a quick chat with them, they are instructed not to honor warranties if any of the flags is 0x1.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Strapples:
Perfect...

Dude you get a HUGE thanks from me... I've been looking for something because I got knoxed for installing a custom recovery. All I want is to be able to do bloody Nandroid backups... I NEED them for my WORK, I don't need KNOX nor its 'secure container'

KNOX is something that all of us have been forced into haphazardly, and well guess what... next phone AIN'T GONNA BE A SAMSUNG.

I think Samsung is going to lose a lot of business, at least from us android devs / power users.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jgmccabe:
Hi

I wasn't sure where to ask this, but I was thinking of trying out something like the "[ROM/4.2.2] [June 03 2013] VJ CM10.1 | Jelly Bean 4.2.2 - v6.3 Stock/Sense/Data++" ROM.

In the instructions it says "Wipe full except SD card". Does anyone know if this means that wiping the SD card would cause a problem? If so, am I right in thinking it's referring to the FAT32 partition on the SD card?

The reason I'm asking is that I've currently got the teppic74 pre-rooted stock GB ROM on my desire with an ext3 partition and FAT32 on the SD card. I was looking to use an ext4 partition with a more recent ROM so was planning just on clearing out the SD card completely and starting from scratch.

Thanks in advance for any help.

John
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaaaabbbb63:
No, wiping your sd-card would not be a problem. The "wipe full except SD card" suggests that you don't need to wipe the sd-card to flash that ROM.

If you want to repartition your sd-card, make sure you use 4ext or Gparted. There's a guide in my sig if you need it (just sayin :D)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jgmccabe:
Thanks for that; I was just concerned there may be ROMs out there that didn't re-create the folder structure on 1st boot.

I found your guide earlier so was going to follow it using 4EXT. Interesting comments about Minitool; I used that last time and wonder if that may be why I (well, my daughter) had some issues with the phone, mainly intermittent boot failures.

Thanks again.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] voidcomp:
I'm getting pissed with all the POS oem batteries for the S3 these days. Is going to Samsung direct my only option to get a GENUINE one? I don't see where they sell them and I don't trust eBay based on experience.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
I know you can get them at Office Depot. Or you could at least, several months ago.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Aerowinder:
Pick up some Anker 2200s on Amazon or similar store.

Who cares if battery is OEM? Just get one from a reputable company.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] voidcomp:
I care. My experience with oem batteries has been miserable like many others.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Aerowinder:
Then don't buy an OEM battery. Buy Anker instead.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
Zero Lemon is another good brand. Try this Amazon Link.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] voidcomp:
Tried them. They suck just like the others. The contacts on Ankers wear out more quickly too.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] voidcomp:
Great I'll look into it.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
Are you certain your issues are the batteries and not your setup and use of your device?

There are lots of things that can lead to miserable battery life even on the most solid of batteries.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] voidcomp:
Yes I'm certain. The genuine Samsung battery lasts much longer than the poor ones.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
I don't think that was Doc's question. I think he wanted to know if you are experiencing poor battery life due to the batteries or some issue with android setup that's causing immense drain ?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] voidcomp:
I guess I'm confused. If the same phone is used in a manner consistent with whatever battery is used, what else could the explanation be?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
Basically, you started down this path due to a drain on the Stock Battery right ? Would you be able to shed some light on that ?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] voidcomp:
Sure. Brand new phone just purchased. Very few programs installed. Battery used was purchased off eBay. When indicator light showed fully charged I unplugged. Battery remaining went immediately from 100% to 88%. After 6 hours of light use, battery was already down to 40%. Within 20 minutes it fell off the cliff and phone turned off ... basically fully discharged.

Next, stock battery installed. 1 day 12 hours later battery still shows 55% remaining.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
In that case I'd recommend Monster ZeroLemon 7000 MAh again.People here on XDA have really tried to suck every drop of juice out of it. It had stood all that abuse very well. Buy it from Amazon so you have solid Return Policy in case of trouble.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] voidcomp:
Thanks, I'll seriously consider it though the added thickness is a concern. If I could get 2 extra batteries close to the performance of the stock battery and at a combined price close to the ZeroLemon I would be satisfied.

How long does it typically take to charge one of those monsters?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
I don't think their form factor would have issues with the SIII's casing.

I do believe they take roughly 4 hours or so with Samsung's original Charger. I don't have one myself so I have second hand information. It is true that if you have a Fast Charge Kernel, this is further reduced. I am guessing, if you charge off of a PC, of course it will practically take forever to finish :laugh:

My 1 year old stock battery goes me 3 days if on Standby all the time.It will last 1 & 1/2 to 2 days if I use conservatively.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
Just fyi, fast charge kernels only make a difference when plugged into a PC and maybe a DC (car) outlet. And correct that the batteries should be the same size and ought to work fine. Only real thing to make note of is if you use any NFC features make sure the battery you get has this capability.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
Bit OT here, but my regular Kernel KT747, now (in recent version) has special code for the 11th pin of the MHT port. So I am given to understand the Fast Charge thus implemented actually affects the way it charges off wall. I am testing since yesterday.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
The theory behind fast charge kernels is that when you plug into a PC it detects the data connection and limits charging to 500ma or so. Fast charge kernels allow you to disable the data connection, thereby fooling it into thinking it's plugged into a normal charger and bypassing that limit.

The extra pins don't have anything to do with charging. Only 4 of them do. Before fast charge kernels were introduced people would sometimes short two of the wires in the connector (usually with solder) to accomplish the same thing.

As I understand it the 11 pins are just used with the MHL adapter for HD output. They don't have anything to do with charging. Otherwise a basic USB cable probably wouldn't even work.

I believe there are a few in depth write-ups about fast charge kernels here on xda if you want to search for more info on it.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] MikebikesNYC:
I just bought a 10,000 mAh power bank from Anker for $40. I've been told I should have gone for an extended battery instead.

I don't want to bulk up my phone and I like that the bank is more versatile...
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] mingkee:
I have several external batteries. However, since Note 3 has better power efficiency, I rarely use external battery.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] tw1n5nak35:
I use a power bank from motorola. My bro got it for free at a sprint store. It worked perfectly with my DROID bionic and works flawlessly with my note3. I have the Motorola p4000 slim.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy JuggerNote3 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk2
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] iahk:
I've tried all options. Extended battery, extra oem battery, and external batteries (10,000mah anker and 9000mah oem samsung external battery) In the end, I just end up using the extra oem battery. It's by far the most convenient especially since I use a case on my phone. That makes an extended battery not an option. The external battery option is inconvenient. It's an extra bulky item to carry around with you, and needs to be connected to continue to charge your phone.

With the extra oem battery, you just quickly pop off the battery cover, replace, and continue to use as normal. And the battery is slim so it sits in the pocket normally.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] oneandroidnut:
i like the power bank i have the same one you just got. got on sale last year for $30 i think and it is great for almost anything. on trips or where you cant change a battery or forget spare battery its pretty small and works great you will love it!
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] cybriks:
Power bank here. Earlier I always carried a second OEM battery, but rarely switched it (because it would mean to turn of the device for a couple of seconds). I know, I know. MAJOR problem ;)

The Power Bank enables me to charge both my gadgets (Note 3 and 8 ), my point-and-shoot and even my e-cigs. Now, try to do that with an extra (or extended battery) ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] NikJe:
Go for this

I've got the Mipow myself, it's a really luxury one, costing me over 80 bucks. And then I've got a chance to try out RavPower 14000mAh, it is better than I expected. I thought it would be a classic made in developing country thing, but I have got a great experience on it. If you want to save some money on the charger, get this one from Amazon. In case you still wanna check the Mipow, simply pop in apple store and you'll find it.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] SullyD:
I downloaded modern combat 4 and whenever I shoot or whenever someone else shoots it lags/ fps drops quite badly. I am running stock rom with iodak kernel. My brothers nexus 7 runs the game fine. Is there any rom or kernel that you could suggest?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] zri:
heard Cyanogenmod was pretty good for gaming, try that and if it still lags, try custom kernels over it.
[General Topics] MightyBear007:
Hey There,

This is Mightybear007 lead developer of XYZMod

We need Device Maintainers for:

Mako

Pollux_Windy

The rest

Reserved for:

M7UL

HONAMI

Galaxystmd

Crespo

S3 Exynos variant

S3 US Versions

Xperia T / V

We are really not having much of devs

We have our own gerrit at

xyzmod.com:8080

Our Github at

Github.com/XYZMod
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] k29er:
I used kies to go back to stock and then rerooted. when I tried to install a tw kernel I got a soft brick. Unlike a custom ROM you can not just do a recovery back to before so I am afraid to try another kernel till I know.