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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sonkameja:
my dream is for Verizon to go out of business along with AT&T
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] lmike6453:
I don't understand this part. You care about warranty if a bootloader unlock does happen? :eek:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] newuser134:
The "illegal" part on Verizon ' part, which is at the least very unethical, is that they join a community for open-based, unlocked devices (that's the whole basis of the Android operating system, isn't it?) where everybody provides source code, incl. Samsung, then decides to lock people out of the bootloader and entire system, especially when the phone belongs to the customer (I don't care what those people say who think the phone is on lease until it's paid for, it's not, because even when it's off contract, the bootloader remains locked). If it were for a windows phone or iPhone I wouldn't care that much, but all Android phones should remain unlocked.

I think what Verizon does with Android phones, after luring in customers on the basis of joining for having an open source phone and operating system, is in fact illegal. Verizon is now at odds with the FCC in court, how much worse could it get? I think what Verizon does after luring in all these customers and then change on them, is illegal, at the least completely immoral.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] asrah:
Just curious, have you ever owned a successful business, or held an executive position in a successful business? Im a former business owner, my shop was worth 2.5 million USD. I know my way around trade laws and a little bit about Anti Trust laws. Verizon explicitly states thats the bootloaders are locked, so theres no false advertisement. The bootloaders TECHNICALLY have nothing to do with android, period. AOSP is android, but kernels are in every mobile OS that has ever been on any kind of smartphone or tablet. If you, or anyone else, bought the phone, without reading into the fine print, thats YOUR problem, not theirs. The ONLY reason VZW LTE capable phones are factory GSM unlocked, is because they share some frequencies with AT&T. I want the bootloader unlocked, but noone is ENTITLED to it, contrary to how some make it seem.

We, as consumers, have two possible remedies. One, dont buy from VZW, then complain about the bootloader issues. Two, petition to change their minds. I know it sounds harsh, and it is. VZW's operations in the USA are not the governments business until they break a law. There is nothing illegal about locking bootloaders, let alone not changing their mind about locking them, if thats what their decision is.

At most, their decisions are immoral in terms of customer relations. They are modifying devices for their own reasons, and do not have the gall to be honest about their reasons.

Just for clarification, VZW has NEVER entered into any ASSUMED nor EXPLICITLY STATED partnership with anyone who is interested in AOSP and other third party modifications for android. You gaining ownership of your phone DOES NOT nullify their legal right to do as they wish to their devices, as long as its within the guidelines of Anti Trust laws. The FCC doesnt have a leg to stand on, on the issue of disallowing 3rd party modifications. Its not illegal to bar you from flashing kernels and/or AOSP, or linux, or whatever. You own the device they branded, as is, with no implied or asserted guarantee or promise that VZW would hand you what you want. We all bought the phone, as is, accepting what we knew about it. It is up to us to research what is done to a product by retailers/manufacturers, etc, BEFORE we buy it. The fact is, most people that are asking for VZW to reverse their decision sound like they believe they are entitled to it. VZW doesnt have to do anything, they are within legal boundaries, which includes Anti Trust Laws, as far as anyone knows.

VZW was at odds with the FCC over their usage of certain blocks of frequencies. They were charging for tethering. Part of the agreement of the purchase of the blocs, from the US government, was customers on non unlimited plans were to be allowed to tether without paying a fee.

Im not holding my breath for VZW to change its mind. They made the decision to do this. Their main mess up is not being honest about why they did it. Its obviously meant to prevent 3rd party modifications, and those modifications obviously have absolutely no bearing on the phones hardware limitations.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
This is way I stated the only chance we have is to start a boycott petition against Samsung!!! Force them to be handle their products like Google handles the Nexus products..... If T-mobile, Sprint, Verizon, ATT, and other users sign the boycott, Samsung would have to make some tough decisions!!!!

How does one go about creating a petition?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
It's not Samsung. It's never been them. It's Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
It is a Samsung thing because they allow Verizon to lock them........ The main reason the Nexus is not available on Verizon is because Google refuses to let Verizon block unlocking the bootloader...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slow68:
It is Samsung - even my Note 10.1 2014 is locked - that device is not tied to any carrier.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TheNerd:]:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] lilmeanz:
Signed + shared
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] KennyG123:
Sprint Samsung devices are not locked.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Sirstaven46:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slow68:
Guess it really comes down to who will take ownership of the device. If is is a Samsung device on Verizon then Verizon assumes ownership, If it is a Samsung device on Sprint then Sprint assumes ownership. If it is a Samsung device without a carrier then Samsung assumes ownership. So who ever provides support for the device decides if it will be locked or un-locked.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
I agree with what you are saying, but think about Apple and Verizon. Apple will not allow anyone to load their phones with bloatware, they can get away with this because they are so powerful, imagine a cell provider that didn't carry Iphones.... Samsung is getting big enough where they can start enforcing rules or showing their power. If they told Verizon if you lock or unblock locking of bootloaders we will not sale to you. If Verizon said screw you it would hurt Samsung, if we start a boycott petition against Samsung that will hurt them as well. They would be forces to find a happy medium...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slow68:
The case of Apple - the users drove the demand and gave Apple the power. People were changing over to AT&T when they were he only player in town with Apple phones. Then all the carriers were salivating when the initial contract ended and Apple became available on other carriers. Samsung has a brand yet they do not have the same user demand that Apple has yet. The whole Galaxy line has gone a long way in creating the demand, yet it still has quite a way to go. Our debate and unrest over the locked boot loader does not help - Samsung needs to realize the we (the niche) users go quite a way in creating the demand as we are the ones our families and friends go to for advice on what phone or devices we would recommend.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Bassdj427:
Signed... How many signatures are needed?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hobbit19:
500
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
What do you mean? The only real goal is for them to recognize us. And stop being focused on the corporate side of things.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] glamisfan:
Signed!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 117micc:
We have 602 signatures!!! Just had my gf sign it ;) I wish they would at least acknowledge that there is a group of us that want this bootloader unlocked....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sonkameja:
Bump ... want unlocked phone or im gonna return this piece of junk samsung phone
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sonkameja:
Progress?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 117micc:
They sent me that letter, basically telling me to F off and they choose not to unlock it... I think we need to break it ourselves :-\ I'm about to sell mine and get a developer edition...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmorton10:
exactly & Verizon could care less about the tiny fraction of its users that actually care about an unlocked BL.

here is what VZ made last year:

http://www.androidcentral.com/veriz...billion-revenue-941000-net-customer-additions

if every single poster here never bought another VZ phone they wouldn't even notice the difference.........
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sonkameja:
Then say f u back and dont buy another verizon product again

Be a man n Vote with your wallet
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmorton10:
Not an option for me, I travel too much to put up with the crap cell service from the other cell companies.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] wtherrell:
OK, I want to support this. I clicked on the link. I could read it but could not find a way to sign it. Maybe just a brain fart this A.M. but just slap me awake.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] neyenlives:
Don't bother. For VZW all this is good for is a headcount of how many people are potentially modifying their phones. They don't care what you want.

I hope for the community it happens but it won't be by VZW.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oktrav:
Exaclty.

Vzw won't even play nice with Google. GOOGLE! They're sure as sh#t not going to do anything for a few hundred odd geeks, ahem, 'enthusiasts.'
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MBRedline:
The likelihood of this actually doing anything is slim. I mean when I get an email account that gets a bunch of spam email I block it or get a new account, they are doing the same thing. they are most likely not even getting those emails, there going straight to spam.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Grompy:
Lol

Filter

Title= Please push a permanent patch/update to allow us unlock our verizon galaxy note 3 bootloaders

Destination=Spam Folder

Profit.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] arathorn4:
For the sake of argument, I could solve this dilemna by purchasing a factory unlocked NOTE 3 AT RETAIL, correct? Verizon will be required to activate the phone even if it isn't branded "Verizon"?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] krazy_smokezalot:
No you have to buy it from Samsung website if you want an unlocked note 3

Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sabs251:
Подпись

Недавно стал владельцем этого девайса и появились проблемы .Вам еще повезло для Вас английский родной а я испытываю некоторые сложности . Поставить рускоязычную прошивку из-за заблокированого бутлоадера неимею возможности . Вот и нарушение моих прав в невозможности выбрать нужный мне язык
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
Вы находитесь на неправильном разделе XDA. И только английский является правилом я верю.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] neyenlives:
Different topic. This is a never-ending issue here when people discuss unlocking. This thread is about unlocking the bootloader to allow non factory software to be installed. Has absolutely zero to do with activating a phone on another network, often referred to as carrier locking.

Two different topics.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] arathorn4:
Yeah that's what I basically meant. Thanks for the confirmation. So you suggest Samsung website only? Not an eBay seller of a factory unlocked note 3?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
You don't go on eBay and buy a "factory unlocked note 3" first off that means sim card unlocked. And that's the international note 3 that won't work with Verizon. You want to buy the developer edition note 3, and can only be bought from Samsung.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Stryke_the_Orc:
Gentlemen, English only please. While I understand that online translators aren't the greatest, this is one of the very first statements in the rules. In the future please keep this in mind.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Slithering from the nether regions of a twisted mind and tarnished soul
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
Yep yep. 100% agree I used Google translate and told him

"You are on the wrong section of XDA. Only English is the rule I believe"
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] arathorn4:
Awesome that helps me tons. Thanks hit
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
Np
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 117micc:
I started a new petition, to Verizon and the FCC Board

http://www.change.org/petitions/fed...tm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_created

Sign it here, I hope I am not breaking any rules I just want this thing unlocked already...

Thanks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bajasur:
Nice write up!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 117micc:
I figured, it couldn't hurt to start over... This one has the fcc board including the chair man emailed... I really wanna see Verizon step up and do something good for once...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mwebb34:
EDITED

I also signed both.?

☛HYPER?DRIVE☚
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Kemosabe603:
Unlock bootloader

I signed the petition!!!!:cowboy:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Signed both
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 117micc:
Awesome Thank you guys, 2 are better than one lol... and we are especially getting the attention of the fcc now ;)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Borderpatrol1987:
Signed,

Im getting a N3 as soon as my upgrade is approved and I would love to have an unlocked bootloader
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rigel10:
I signed the petition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slow68:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] goldy253:
Signed

Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TheGman125:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Icedapimp81:
Hey 117micc. Have u put this in other phone forums besides ours.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] JaronRH:
Signed (quite awhile ago actually - I just never added my name here! Sorry!)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
It's all good.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 117micc:
I thought about make a thread for this too but I'm respecting the mods because we aren't supposed to post petitions on xda, just share share share that's the best way to get heard... Thanks for all the support ;)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bigjack216:
Signed and shared still hoping for them to come through
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] blacknight1114:
Signed and retweeted
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Gil Smash:
Signed as well.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] boomerams4l:
MOVE!!!

This is so stupid. Don't get me wrong i am just angry cause this is my first locked down phone and its honestly bugging the crap outta me.....but why won't we just step this up and everyone call Verizon at once and complain like twice a day on the matter. Sure it would raise some more attention if everyone just started calling in asking to talk to a manager every so often. TIME TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP PEOPLE!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
We should make like a day of the month where everyone on Verizon calls to complain about thier locked down phone, and spam the hell out of every socal media outlet or communication service they have.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] boomerams4l:
I started about two weeks ago bugging the representatives and when they can't help me i ask to speak to a manager. Gonna continue doing it outta pure hatred i have for Verizon right now. Besides I have nothing better to do on my lunch break at work.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xInsurgentx:
/signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 117micc:
I haven't, but I have shared mine on Facebook and Twitter, and have about 50 signatures on mine as well. I don't think we have a chance of changing Verizon's mind, but I do think of we connotation enough to the FCC that they will do something about it. I wonder if there is a way to get a meeting with the FCC and explain our dissatisfaction with carriers locking down our phones... I have never had a locked down phone like this, and I'm suck of it, my note 2 was amazing, this phone had the potential to be more than amazing but not with a locked bootloader...

Edit: The link to my petition http://chn.ge/1edHt6G please sign share, do what you got to do, have your family sign it, and friends, anyone will do, the only way we are going to get any where is to step up and get a serious signature count...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Stryke_the_Orc:
The fcc has no control over the software on a device, they only regulate the frequencies used by the modems and communications of the device. What this ultimately boils down to is the licensing of the Android source. GPLv2 was written long before this was an issue, whereas GPLv3 provides protection from such practices under the tivoization rule. I state GPL because the kernel is what's being (for lack of a better term) held hostage. The actual Rom is protected under the Apache license. If you want change, ask Google to update the license of their source to GPLv3. www.gnu.org

Educate yourselves, angry masses only hold power when they hold knowledge and knowledge is power.

Slithering from the nether regions of a twisted mind and tarnished soul
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BigShowJoe:
Signed.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mitchallica:
Signed!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] echodeluxe:
yeah ill sign, but good god the grammar of the petition is really bad. consider maybe reworking it? i dont want to be a jerk and downplay this at all, but i think they might take us more seriously if it looks like the petition was written by someone whose first language was english.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 117micc:
http://www.change.org/petitions/fed...tm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_created
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] blame8008:
signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] lev777:
signed

signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] makeshiftharmony:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sonkameja:
without trying to sound cynical how many different petitions are going to be created about the same topic?

it's getting kind of tiring consider nothing is being done not that I expect it to be done in the near near future
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bajasur:
Puts a smile on my face to see this thread still growing
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
Some contact information

Ok Time for mass emails, copy and paste:

samsungblog@samsung.com; samsungpr@edelman.com; SamsungDI@allisonpr.com; samsungha@talktocurrent.com; Courtney.Kessler@edelman.com; SamsungEBD@allisonpr.com; info@samsungcntamerica.com; pernst@sea.samsung.com; SamsungHEMedia@fleishman.com; scohen@sea.samsung.com; samsungmobilePR@mww.com; SamsungCIT@allisonpr.com; laurie.sj@samsung.com; Officeofthepresident@sea.samsung.com ; samsungpr@edelman.com.

Litter their inboxes.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] GrainOsand:
Why? I don't see any VZW email addresses! That's who we really need to bombard with emails...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mike7728:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 117micc:
There are only 2 going on right now
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] shangrila500:
Signed!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MIKEYSAKZ:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
Better Business Bureau

I wonder if we can get anywhere by lodging endless complaints against Samsung and Verizon BBB:

here is Samsung:

NAME:

SAMSUNG Telecommunications America, Inc.

BBB MEMBER:

NO

CONTACT:

Greg Crenshaw

ADDRESS:

1000 Klein Rd Ste 200

Plano, TX 75074-3757

PHONE:

972 761-7000

FAX:

469 241-4709

Website:

www.samsung.com/us/sta/

here is Verizon's

Verizon Wireless

30 Independence Blvd.

Warren

NJ

07059

We obtained close to 700 signatures on the petition so far. I wonder what 700 BBB unresolved complaints against them will even dent it. Its still worth trying, I think.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
We need emails to add people on the email list whenever someone signs the petition.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] brianburen:
:good: Signed :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] blackwell387:
Just sign all we can do hope and pray thinking of changing to the big T. Mobile just would like to be able to run pure Android no touch wiz.. Thanks 117micc

---------- Post added at 09:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:55 AM ----------

Signed get at them Homie ....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] johnminator:
Hows the progress on unlocking it going

..will we ever be able to get it unlocked
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] neyenlives:
Don't count in it. It typically takes an internal leak of some sort.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Silenus21:
I think it would help if some people from this post could talk with the news posters or admins to put this on the front page, that would drive traffic towards the page and get the signatures we need.

What do you think?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] neyenlives:
I think all the signatures you can muster will make zero difference to Samsung or Verizon. It's a pipe dream. Our best bet is a sympathizer who has the knowledge and access to the proprietary data required to get it done.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sonkameja:
Bump break this phone already
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] abilgen73:
thank you..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] david515:
Because of LOCKEDBOOTLOADER I'll Never buy VERIZON PHONE Again.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] clintonroche:
Why would they unlock it.... you can just buy a developer edition?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmorton10:
No kidding
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] h4xc1ty:
RE: Petition to Unlock Bootloader

Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LexusBrian400:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jbombs16:
Signed.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rjacosta:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] USMC retired:
none

I signed it also, but i'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, Verizon has never listened to their customers, there is no reason to think they will start now......and that's sad.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] krazy_smokezalot:
signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Borderpatrol1987:
I wonder how many people posted signed just to boost their post count?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Stryke_the_Orc:
I wonder how many people posted about people posting to increase their post count, only to increase their post count?

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Slithering from the nether regions of a twisted mind and tarnished soul
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] david515:
signed

I Wish Verizon Wireless would give Us the Customer what we want. And I wish Verizons Sales and Marketing Team would wake up and realize the amount of business they loose due to locked bootloader. "WAKE UP VERIZON! "
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] emtownsend:
Exactly. One can have "unlocked"... for a price.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Virus1x:
Ultimately until a legal lawsuit is filed I doubt Verizon will cave if we did a class action suit stating once a phone is purchased it is no longer proprietary hardware belonging to the user they should have the right to do whatever they want with it
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bajasur:
Agreed 100%

I have long said instead of having "developer edition" devices...... they should have a "business edition" device that comes locked down like fort "knox" (no pun intended lol)

This way the business's that want security can pay extra for it....and the rest of us can have the freedom to do whatever we choose.

Sadly, I think the best tactic will be for the current Tmobile CEO to fully embrace the XDA community and start taking bootloader jabs at the Verizon CEO on twitter, Instagram etc..

My .02 cents
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] recDNA:
Tmobile reception sucks or I would switch
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 117micc:
Yeah Same here, especially because they will pay for cancellation fees!!! If they has the Network to back up their offers I think a lot of us would switch in a heart beat... The only thing that keeps me on Verizon is their service is actually good, if any other carrier gets as good I might say bye bye to Verizon...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mvlamberti:
Without knowing about the bootloader situation, I switched to this phone. I've always done a little research beforehand and now I'm regretting not looking in to it. I really don't want to spend the money on the Dev edition, but want CM.

Maybe this is just a pipe dream...