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[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
I agree it is a bandwidth limiting issue, I much prefer to download to offline and watch from storage, than stream. Too many causes of network performance issues plus streaming in Android world comes with lack of robust Flash and so apps which lock you down into quite awkward situations like watching commercials and/or if you switch away the app it does not slickly resume immediately where it left off.

Currently my N10 32GB has 1.2GB free, has about 25 hours of video, I watch typically 2 hours/day and drain the to-watch more often when in hotels or flying. A typical media file is 1280x720 resolution so using less than a quarter of the pixels of the N10 and that is 1.1GB/hour which if streamed needs 300Kbit/s average. If you cranked up the res of the video you'd hit Internet problems quite often. If you scale up my example file then 4000x2250 is 9.8x the number of pixels so need 2.9Mbit bandwidth. 3Mbit may sound easy but in a multi-tablet household you'll hit Internet performance issues in real-world often. My N router at best delivers 7Mbit when a single device is doing heavy network and I'm reasonably near the router. If you then also tied with 4G and a lot of tablet in a basestation, its going to be stuttering hell. Its not too bad in my home on Wifi with just a limited set of devices but in say hotels or on cellular...... its sucks.

I don't think any N10 successor needs more pixels (which causes more GPU, CPU, storage and network issues), it needs more power efficient pixels, support for greater contrast, support for clarity in strong sunshine and scale down brightness for bedtime, with GPU and CPU underneath also lowering their power. That allows more unplugged time and/or lighter smaller which the tablet form factor primarily has to focus on more than say laptops, desktops.

Leave 4K for cable and wall-mounted mains-power devices. Let Chromecast solve that problem.
[Nexus 10 General] :
I agree, storage is also a problem. That said, it's not that your 720p video uses "less" pixels, it's just less demanding on the rendering engine at play. Sorry, mostly agree with you, just a technical comment. ;)
[Nexus 10 General] hanryy:
Has anyone seen the supposed rumors that Samsung will announce a Nexus 10 2 at CES? I am very skeptical, but it would be nice. Does anyone here know if there is any meat to those rumors?
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
Well apparently the site reporting those rumors has a 50/50 history in its credibility in regards to rumors like this. It would be nice to see a new nexus 10 at CES but I wouldn't hold my breath.
[Nexus 10 General] hanryy:
Yeah, that is not particularly encouraging. I wont get my hopes up. Hopefully there will be some interesting dual booting tablets...either Chrome OS/ android or Windows/Android. Either or is an interesting idea I would like to see developed.
[Nexus 10 General] Sensamic:
So I guess no new Nexus 10 after all huh?
[Nexus 10 General] Lt.Tealc:
I want to buy nexus 10 but I hate for the new one to be announced. I don't know what to do here
[Nexus 10 General] nikotime:
I'm exactly the same. Dropped my Nook HD+ and cracked the screen and the Nexus is the only tablet that really interests me, but dislike buying such old tech especially when the new one could come out at any point.
[Nexus 10 General] spelaben:
Didn't drop a Nook HD+, other than that: exactly the same here. Already bought a contract for mobile Internet and now the damn thing wasn't released at CES. :(

Hoping for a release at the Moble World Congress in February.
[Nexus 10 General] nikotime:
Doubt they will release it at any official convention, they seem to just spring them on us when we have all but given up.

Is there any word about a motorola tablet? If a Moto G esk tablet pops out I'd be just as happy with that.
[Nexus 10 General] abdel12345:
A moto gx tablet would be cool with the moto x features but made more tablet needy

Please press the thanks button if I help you.
[Nexus 10 General] rivera618:
well...the play store is completely out of inventory, the new one can't be that far off
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
Or they've just abandoned 10 inch tablets altogether.
[Nexus 10 General] Lither:
Nexus 10 32GB still available on Play Store.....
[Nexus 10 General] locovaca:
The US store has both out of stock now, at least for me.

Edit: And now it's back in stock. Hmm...
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
not in USA

Play store in USA shows it instock - the same screen for over a month.

" In stock

Leaves warehouse in 1 - 2 business days."
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
I bet there's some guy sitting in an office deep inside Google HQ giggling everytime he changes the Nexus 10 to out of stock and like 7 news sites report on it.
[Nexus 10 General] nlaak:
Right now the Play store is showing out of stock for me, in the US.
[Nexus 10 General] Lt.Tealc:
Out of stock. I hope this is a good sign
[Nexus 10 General] The-Kevster:
The only thing making me slightly negative about this is that Google haven't launched a device before without launching a new version of Android. I don't think we're due a new version till later in the year :(
[Nexus 10 General] opssemnik:
Nexus 4 came b4 the 10 didnt?And they both shipped 4.2
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
Exactly.
[Nexus 10 General] locovaca:
They were launched at the same time.
[Nexus 10 General] Lt.Tealc:
+1
[Nexus 10 General] Rock-&-Roll-Hedgehog:
The Nexus 10 is no longer available in the UK Google Play shop. Screengrabs below for both 16GB & 32GB versions. Both items state "This device is not for sale at this time."
[Nexus 10 General] The-Kevster:
I see it too. It doesn't say "not in stock" it says "not for sale".

Fingers crossed!
[Nexus 10 General] peterk-1:
The page

https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_10_32_GB?id=nexus_10_32gb&hl=en_GB

Has reverted to out of inventory for 16Mb and 32 still for sale
[Nexus 10 General] _DsP_:
There is something going on ;) If new nex have 4g modem, my current tab goes on eBay in a flash ;)

tapped grom my ace
[Nexus 10 General] Bunjit:
Well today it says in stock, dispatched 1-2 days.

But why pay £389 from the Playstore when ebay dealers are selling the £249 for 32gb!

I got mine a couple of weeks and and loving it for the price. Over a year old and still at the cutting edge :cool:
[Nexus 10 General] yets:
Everybody else begs to differ! I'm constantly told by media/internet it's looking dated. Mine still goes like the clappers! How fast do I need it to be? I will want the Next gen one though. :)
[Nexus 10 General] MrMarques01:
I'm getting a suspicious high amount of Nexus 10 2 news on Google Now lately...
[Nexus 10 General] Lt.Tealc:
∆ LOl Google take my money already
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
First time ever I've looked at no stock from google play USA devices for either 16GB or 32GB N10.
[Nexus 10 General] AccuNeal:
I might replace my nexus 10 if the next version has a 12 inch screen. otherwise, I see no legitimate reason to replace this fantastic tablet.

I had a Toshiba Thrive for a year before I bought the N10--now that was a true upgrade.

--

Neal
[Nexus 10 General] xflowy:
i joined this discussion in the middle, as i wanted to buy a tablet. so now i'm struggling with the same thoughts than some other users here, means: buy an "old" nexus 10 now or wait for the new one. leaves one question to me: is it even fact, that there will be a nexus 10 version 2, or where did all these rumors come from in the first place?

thanks!
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
There is no guarantee that there will be another 10" nexus. Buy the current one or wait for something different, but I wouldn't hold your breath for a refreshed nexus 10.
[Nexus 10 General] xflowy:
does not answer my question in complete, sorry. my question was, why some people (whoever it was) assumend that there would be a new version of a device. if there hasn't been any sort of legit information, from which those people deduced that there could be a version 2 of a nexus 10, then i wonder why people started talking about a second version of a device in the first place, cause they don't do that with every device which is on the market. u get me? there was never a rumor about a second version of the nexus 4, e.g. people don't start making these thoughts out of the blue, thats what i'm saying. and all i want is the beginning of this thought process, wether it's a little factor which started everything or not. that's what i want to evaluate on my own.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
So long as there adverts to the side of the page, the writer will make crap up to pull you their website. As such, rumours are just profit for the sites.

There has been photoshop type fabrication to try to fake a product.
[Nexus 10 General] xflowy:
dont think i get the first part, cause i'm no native speaker. but you mean to tell me, that some sites just started to say, that there will be a second version? that's all?

with that information i think i'm gonna invest in the current one.
[Nexus 10 General] kaimyns:
There are very few facts in this industry. Only rumors, leaks, pictures. After the announcement of Nexus 7 (2013) there was a comment by Sundar Pichai, that Nexus 10 is in the works. However that comment was private and tweeted by one journalist.
[Nexus 10 General] xflowy:
thanks! that's what i needed.

so this is at least some serious hint, that there will be a second one. why would a google senior vice president say sth like that without any profound background on it..whether in private or not.
[Nexus 10 General] Dale M:
Just checked the Play Store, and the NX 10 is out of inventory on both the 16g and 32g models. The 16g has been out of inventory for a while, anybody know how long the 32g has been out of inventory?
[Nexus 10 General] mhoss48:
Why wont they take the Samsung Tabpro 10"/12" and make a google play version. as its hardware is very good.

Sent from my LG G2
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
Its pretty pointless for anybody living outside the states as they can't purchase it. This severely limits the number of potential sales.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
In USA the 32GB finally disappeared about Saturday 18th Jan. People said it was gone to then reappear but it stopped reappearing Saturday.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
I don't know why everyone is so concerned about whether it's in stock. Just because it's out of stock doesn't mean there will be a new version. Maybe Google is abandoning 10" tablets?
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
If they're leaving 10" tablets, it's only to enter the 12" market.

Google will not stand idle on the large tablet market and let Apple dominate. One release that did not meet sales expectations is not going to be enough for Google to move away from the growing large tablet market.

I remember before the first Nexus 10, all there was were rumors. And most surrounded a mysterious possible buy of 10" screens by Google. In time the rumor was starting to be ignored and some didn't know whether Google would release a tablet. Personally, I gave up waiting and got an Asus Transformer. Then, Google droped the N10, after everyone had pretty much given up waiting.

I feel Google has something coming. And I'm fine with them taking their time to get it right.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
Lets face the facts, Google is not exactly competeing with the iPad since the iPad destroys in sheer number of sales in comparison to the Nexus 10.

This is partially to blame for the under-developed tablet app selection in the Play Store but mainly due to the lack of marketing on Google's part.

The term "IPad" has become a household word and you can't watch tv for more than an hour without seeing an iPad ad. I don't think I have ever seen a Nexus 10 ad on TV.
[Nexus 10 General] maxal:
Nexus10 32gb is still available from Playstore in the UK
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
Perhaps you are right, but who knows for certain...

Maybe Google sees more of a future in Chromebooks replacing 10" tablets, which according to the press are doing quite well lately.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
I personally don't see what all the hype is about with chromebooks. They seem extremely limited and basically just a laptop made for web browsing and pretty much nothing else.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
I agree with you, but a lot of other people apparently disagree.

http://phandroid.com/2013/12/31/chromebook-sales/
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
Three new Samsung tablets have surfaced. A 10.1" and two 8" tablets. Based on Samsung's naming convention the 8" tablets are Wi-Fi ("0") and LTE ("05").

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...d-SM-T530-might-be-new-Galaxy-tablets_id51702

What if they are the long rumored Nexus 10 replacement and recently rumored Nexus 8? The Nexus 10 had a Samsung model number (GT-P8110) so if Samsung's making the newer Nexi it would stand to reason they would too. The last tablet Samsung made with a "GT" moniker was the G-Tab 3 (GT-P5210) so the N10 fit with the then current naming convention. The 10" tablet has a "1" in its model number which based on Samsung's naming convention means it's 3G. Unless the "53-series" is meant to represent Nexus in which case it could be a 10" Wi-Fi tablet and Wi-Fi and LTE 8" tablets. The new Note|Pro 10.1 is model number SM-T520. I wouldn't think Samsung would be interested in Google's contract Nexus business because of the lower margins but if they're looking to build up scale to drive down overall production costs (including for their own tablets and components) it could make sense.

Discuss. ;)
[Nexus 10 General] frankws:
If Google were abandoning the Nexus 10 why would it still be on the play store site?

And why would it say "check back soon?"

I just wish they would tell us what's up.

Just say we are updating the 10 or we are working on new tablets.
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
True they would not have something listed if they're cutting the line off.

But Google never says if something new is coming, not till they're ready. So this will be no different. They'll speak, when it's ready :p .
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
Just because they are (possibly) not developing a new version doesn't mean they won't continue to sell the old version, especially if they still have stock left.

---------- Post added at 07:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:36 PM ----------

I'm not saying they are abandoning it, just saying we shouldn't assume they will make a new version. Or maybe they are just taking a year off like Apple and the iPod touch.
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Looks like we may have to wait till Q3 for the new Nexus 10/12.

HTC reportedly will build the next Google Nexus tablet

I think HTC will do a great job with this.

Yes, I believe it's true :p
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
Boomsound on a tablet will blow everyone away with sound quality.
[Nexus 10 General] Crysis85:
I'm very dubious about the veracity of this rumor to be honest. I've heard everything and the opposite about the next Nexus (not even the dimensions are clear) until I hear something official I won't keep my hopes up.
[Nexus 10 General] Richieboy67:
These tech blogs and sites stay these rumors all the time just for readers.
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
The Original Nexus 10 used to be a "rumor" too :laugh:
[Nexus 10 General] Richieboy67:
Not sure of your point?

I am not saying that everything posted as a rumor never comes true. All I am saying is that the large majority of rumors are not true and we end up chasing our tails. Remember all of the rumors about the Nexus 5 release date? I could bring up many, many more examples but after years of falling for these things I have just stopped believing these things as anything other than hearsay at the very most.

I do not want to hear that HTC may be doing this or what ever. I want solid evidence or at least something more than a rumor before I start hoping.

And yes, the nexus 10 may have seen reported as a rumor but how many other Nexus devices were posted as well and were all wrong? I remember reading about the Nexus 5 being rumored as an htc device. Many of these so called "reports" are just sheer speculation to drive traffic and readership.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
You can pretty much stick a fork in HTC. This was released today. HTC's going to get acquired, probably be one of the Chinese manufacturers as soon as their stock falls to an amount that makes them attractive. Google would be insane to select a manufacturer who's future is so uncertain to build a Nexus. Any fall out from whatever happens to HTC in the future would hit Google since their name's on the device. That includes part, repair, and customer support issues.

Smartphone vendor HTC Corp (宏達電) yesterday forecast its quarterly sales would fall to a five-year low of between NT$34 billion and NT$36 billion (US$1.12 billion and US$1.18 billion) this quarter as the company struggles to turn its business around.

That would represent a 16 percent to 21 percent decline from the NT$42.9 billion recorded in the final quarter of last year.

The company also forecast losses per share of between NT$2.1 and NT$2.6 for the current quarter, down from earnings per share of NT$0.38 last quarter, while gross margin would rise from 17.8 percent last quarter to between 21.5 percent and 22 percent this quarter.

The company posted net profits of NT$300 million last quarter because of divestment in Beats Electronics LLC shares. On an operating basis, HTC reported losses of NT$1.6 billion last quarter.​
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
My point. Is that I'm fine with these rumors. If they had no profit motive, they'd stop making the reports and I'd rather they keep trying to find something. A matter of personal preferences.
[Nexus 10 General] Richieboy67:
I hear you. I have nothing against legitimate reporting. I just hate the made up rumors. Profit motive is fine but making up rumors and content that is untrue is just wrong. I am not saying this is always the case or the case with this one.

I used to like reading all of those things but I suppose my issue is was believing the rumors. I think they just need to be taken with a grain of salt.
[Nexus 10 General] kcyeung:
Will have to see what's in the box isn't it. Modern tablets last pretty long really.
[Nexus 10 General] Lt.Tealc:
i got tired of waiting and pulled the trigger on current nexus 10 and i am very pleased with it.
[Nexus 10 General] voncrane:
Same here. Got tired of waiting.
[Nexus 10 General] mjr80:
I also decided just to buy the current Nexus 10 tablet a few weeks ago. I was also holding out for an updated tablet, but it doesn't seem that Google is going to put one out.

I find it to be absolutely perfect for my needs. I use it primarily to play games, watch videos and movies, and to do workouts on Skimble.

I had the original Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 which is still going strong, I ended up giving that to my mom and she uses it for games and YouTube. That was another reason why I decided to just go with the current Nexus 10, since it is made by Samsung and I've had such a positive experience with Samsung products.
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I'm holding out till Google I/O, June 25-26. Just a few months away.

I was waiting for the first N10, gave up and got an Asus TF700T, which I still regret. So I'm going to wait more this time, for a 2014 N10.

If no 2014 N10 is announced at Google I/O, I'm sure other new tablets will be coming around that time. Asus did better with the TF701 in 2013, and they may have an updated release for their Transformer line around that time. So I'll get something then.
[Nexus 10 General] JuicyBrah:
I've had my Nexus 10 since it was released.

I just got around to rooting it yesterday and I can't believe I hadn't since it sooner.

In my experience, the nexus 10 is less stuttery than other tablets currently on the market.

I use it primarily for reading textbooks so that high res screen is a must, and nothing seems to be able to beat it.

I was looking forward to the Z2 tablet until I found out the screen was only 1080p.
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
So with all the depressing news about Google making an 8.9 inch tablet next. And talk of a true 10 2 seeming to fade. Plus a night of my TF700T having some of it's periodic hangs. Regardless the fact it already has a custom ROM, that made it better than stock.

I saw this deal mentioned tonight, of a new Nexus 10 for just $299. And I made a buy. At that price, I can take the Nexus 10. It's an upgrade for me for now. And there's no virgin Android 10+ inch tablet on the horizon at this time.

OK, now Google will probably announce a Google Edition Galaxy Note 12.1 tomorrow [emoji14] .
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Good you ordered one. I am happy with the $278 I paid 4 months back. There have been some good deals over the months, peaking about October-November.

News of 8.9 tablet? Hope its cheap like $299 new with lots of storage or a SD slot like the gpad 8.3, but then these rumours also state it won't be cheap. Pity. Once you've got used a 10" display of such quality, then smaller does feel a step down. I went on a 3 week trip just recently returned with my N10 and used it a lot, and then home I picked up my N7 and feels so cramped. When I had the N7 first it didn't feel cramped. Just means all N7 owners will feel an upgrade to Nexus 9 whilst Nexus 10 owners feel disappointed.

I think the specification has to be balanced with price paid.

Ultimately though, it is Android's interface, and Android's lack of a true multi-tasking multi-windowing OS which limits the whole point of a tablet with a large display. I can see 10" and above isn't really for Android.
[Nexus 10 General] talz13:
I picked up a N10 for my wife for Christmas last fall, and it is pretty great. I am still waiting for a replacement (or 8.9" version if that's where they're headed), as my Toshiba Thrive is getting soooo outdated. Everything on there is a chore, aside from reading manga and Kindle. At this point, I don't feel that I'm hung up on keeping a 10" screen, but I don't want to drop down to the 7" models.

I know I'm just spec-chasing, but I really wouldn't mind the LG 8.3 if it had a top-end CPU / GPU combo. After getting a N5, I don't want anything less than a snapdragon 800 in my next tab.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Right when you go to a 7" from 10" you notice the cramp. The current rumor mill is saying 8.9" is next one "high-end" which sounds what YOU are after.

There is a key watershed though being big enough to hold in one hand portrait which puts a upper size and two-hands. The 8.3 Gpad is getting too big for one-hand.

Android lets down 10" and particularly a RRP of $500+ , you get an awful lot of laptop for $500.
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Yea, $500 is a good laptop and many are not going to pay that for a tablet.

I already have an 8.9 inch tablet in the LG G-Slate. I really wanted something larger after using that as my first Android Tablet. I was considering the 8.9 inch Nexus, but prefer 10+ inches.

My only concern about getting a N10 was that it may soon stop getting official updates from Google. But since other old devices have received updates via 3rd party movements, CyanogenMod in particular. I feel the N10 may continue getting updates well after Google is done with providing them.
[Nexus 10 General] faticata:
Dear all,

I've just received my Nexus 10. I like the equipment but i feel my Motorola Moto G is just snappier using the browser in stock 4.4.2.

When i open several tabs in Chrome, Motorola browse like a pleasure. In Nexus 10 sometimes gets a little shuttering reading the actual page.

It's me or the Snapdragons are just great chips?

Cheers,

David
[Nexus 10 General] charesa39:
These were my sentiments exactly. This is why I ordered a brand new 32GB N10 last week for $300. At that price, I couldn't pass it up considering I've always wanted one. I figured, even though it's close to the 18-month life cycle, it's still pretty strong spec-wise, and it'll more than likely still get great support from 3rd party devs. It should be here in a couple days. Then, my Nexus dynasty will be complete with my N5 and N7 (2013) as well. I picked up the N7 a few months ago for $100 off from Staples to replace my aging TouchPad. While it's a great tablet, I miss the 10" screen.