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[Nexus 10 General] SeaFractor:
My opinion is that Google never officially announced a replacement to the N10 (there's a leaked tweet, but that's "claiming" Pichari stated a new one is coming, it's not his tweet).

Most companies never comment on new products, or even the lack of them. They want to avoid the Osborne Effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Effect in which significant financial damage can occur over the announcing of products to soon, etc.

Google would likely rather have customers continue to purchase the N10 based on it's own current shipping specifications (brand new product launches in several other countries show demand still exists). Any comment from them might decrease sales as it could be indication that a new product launch is immanent, so their hands are tied either way.

Rather than Google providing an explanation, the media needs to come back and explain where all this false information came from and why they kept repeating each others rumor without real background checks on the likelihood of the information being correct. I suspect many simply want your click through on their site so that advertising dollars happen from that click through.

So while we may be upset that a new N10 isn't released at and have ire aimed at Google, be sure to direct a heap of it to the media sites that fed on your need for information with patently false information.

Who knows, could those Scroogled campaign folks over at another company with an 8 in the OS name have created these rumors to have a negative impact on sales this holiday season? Did this prevent you from potentially purchasing a new N10 this fall? Again, this is my opinion and not to be necessarily reality, but think about it. False product launch rumors benefit who? That produce company, that macrohard company or?
[Nexus 10 General] Mr Dasher:
I agree. What suckered me into this stupid waiting game was the fact that Google never officially announced the N5. At that point anything became possible.

I think Google should at least officially announce or unoffically leak some indication that that they are working on a new N10 without mentioning a release date. If this was done then I would gladly wait. I can't see them dropping the form factor but if they did I would be royally be pissed.
[Nexus 10 General] b3point:
Where is the new Nexus 10?

I have a couple of theories about the release of the Nexus 10 2013. Each of these are ideas as to what Google is doing as well as why they are remaining mum on the subject. NOT BASED ON ANYTHING I HAVE HEARD!

1) If it is actually being released by Samsung as Sundar Pichai alluded to earlier in the year (because I don't believe the "rumors" of it being produced by other manufacturers), Samsung and Google came to an agreement that Google would wait to release it so as to not cannibalize the Galaxy Note 10.1 during the peak shopping season. This could be the case as Google doesn't really produce the Nexus line to be a huge revenue stream. It is more of a vehicle to showcase their untainted OS. Google can't say anything because if people (like those following this story) found out why Google is waiting, they wouldn't rush out and buy a Samsung tablet which is what Samsung doesn't want and Google doesn't care. Android is on both devices so it is a win-win for Google.

2) Google is waiting until the kinks with Android 4.4 are worked out and a stable and workable version of KitKat can be put on the Nexus 10. Why release the new hardware if there are known issues with KitKat and the current Nexus 10? Google can't say anything because what company wants to divulge the negative reasons for not doing something?

3) Google pulled back after Sundar Pichai's statement realizing that they didn't have a real advantage with the Nexus 10 line when compared to tablets by Samsung and Apple other than the pure Android OS experience (which is always going to be a limited market). They may have made a late game decision to finally take the plunge of melding the ChromeOS environment (which is showing growth) with Android into a single device. This is going to take some time which means we would see the Nexus 10 update closer to the next major update to KitKat.

Again...just some theories.
[Nexus 10 General] JCJMC:
The new Nexus 10 here soon, I rely on common sense, we have seen has been promoting the Nexus 7 V2 or Nexus 5, both preceded them a series of news with specifications, pictures and videos, all of them with absolute credibility, until the official announcement by Google of release dates. With the Nexus 10 V2, all you have are rumors and each pointing to a direction that if 800 Snapdragon, Tegra if, if Chrome OS, if the factory Asus, LG then ... Ie rumors with little basis.

The new Nexus 10 V2, will rear their heads in the same way that her younger sisters, concrete news, release dates, photos and videos. It is also the flagship of the brand, and as in his day was a highlight tablet, the new version must have some element that differs from the rest, maybe Android 5, SOC 64 bit, 4 Gb RAM, .. .

In my opinion it will be next year before summer.
[Nexus 10 General] Mr Dasher:
I agree with b3point about waiting until after Christmas in order not to hurt the sales of other manufactures.

I think the move to Chrome will be slow and gradual. A quick jump would confuse too many non geeks. A bad move for a market that is really starting to sky rocket.

Since Google thinks Samsung is getting too independent, I am loosely predicting that the next N10 will be a Tegra 4 built by Asus. But it won't be called a Nexus 10 but Nexus 11. If they can get the bezels thin enough then the tablet will have an 11" screen in the same size body of a 10.1" tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] abdel12345:
I think they'd rather keep nexus 10 and just add 2014 to it. Nexus 11 just doesn't sound as good.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
The bigger the screen the more the battery life problem? My battery meter says (only had mine 3 days) says about 40%-50% of battery spent on the display. For what I use mine for.... I'd probably like more storage, option for a LTE mini-SIM, basically what they did with the N7 as it evolved after its initial version, from the "stock" I've used Stickmount and a kernel replacement to get USB storage and 4G dongle added. I got the Pogo cable so I can use these whilst charging, as well as charging faster.

Assuming the same display technology, the screen size is what is limiting battery life primarily, so I can see 10" being at the top end of what a portable device can be?
[Nexus 10 General] Zod09999:
You'd be the only one. Charging and USB-port simultaneously doesn't work.
[Nexus 10 General] Mr Dasher:
Google will not release a simple update. Like the higher res screen for the N10, Google will try to make it's mark on the next version by increasing the screen and battery size. The Tegra 4 was designed for increased graphics. But that would only work if they are able to maintain the same size and weight of a 10.1" tab. I am not sure that can be done.
[Nexus 10 General] locovaca:
I do not believe they will use the Tegra4. The Tegra4 does not support OpenGL ES 3.0, which was one of the bigger features introduced in 4.3. If they're going to make a splash I would think they would go with a Baytrail chip instead.
[Nexus 10 General] Mr Dasher:
That's an excellent point! They like to use different suppliers to keep it fair and they haven't used an Intel CPU yet.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Increase the screen size, add screen weight, increase battery drain. There is a natural watershed between a mains-power-tied larger screen and a unplug-rarely tablet. About 10" we're seeing that happen. The proportion of my battery drain from screen is higher on my N10 than my N7, I'd expect this to be worse with a 11". A 10x7 screen = 70sqin, 11x8=88qsin = 25% more screen = 25% more power drain on battery ~ 15% more drain overall on average.

If you shrink the bezel then you put the screen at more risk of cracking near the corners.

There is also a conflict between how many pixels and the GPU and its battery drain.

There is certainly opportunity to repackage, tune, stretch spec without breaking much, taking advantage of more powerful processors to deliver a given level of performance at less power consumption, but if you try to offer more screen size and match it with more GPU and CPU you're fighting weight.

The more you drive up the battery capacity, you hit limits of what you can get out USB type power supplies, with N10 you got the Pogo to overcome a limit at the tablet side.

The larger platforms all move to 12V-19V type PSUs and don't use USB for power.

I suggest 10" is in the upper envelope corner for Android platform.

So I see any changes will be shrink the bezel slightly and reduce the handheld's weight, not increase the screensize much.
[Nexus 10 General] Mr Dasher:
There are 11" (10.8) Windows 8 tablets but I am more focused on locovaca's suggestion that Google may use the Baytrail chip. Which would delay the release to spring but it would be the bench mark device that Google would want.
[Nexus 10 General] locovaca:
The primary drain is from the backlight. The backlight could be bigger, or they could go with a different LCD technology to make up the difference.

Unless they keep the same resolution, which is more likely given that, aside from Apple's laptops, there isn't much above 2560x1600 right now that is cost-effective. Then the GPU has the same requirements regardless of the screen size.

Samsung says no thanks to your suggestion since they're going to release a 12" Note with a 2560x1600 resolution running Android pretty soon.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Pogo and USB do work concurrently

Not true using my combination of hardware/software.

I am right now using my Pogo plug and I am using my 4G USB dongle concurrently, this is stock 4.4, with the tan-ce kernel, PPP-Widget. I also show with an external harddrive mounted using Stickmount and NTFS. I not tried stretching this to a hub and multiple USB concurrently, I doubt that would work due to power output limits but might do with a Y-OTG or a powered hub. I got USB batteries so being off from mains isn't the issue.

The USB dongle was getting quite warm as I did a benchmark test so quite a bit of power coming out through USB.

Possibly you're referring to it not accepting being charged from USB whilst Pogo connected? Or some old feature, or not using this kernel? But I 100% confirm the USB powers devices at the same time as being Pogo charged. Screenshots confirm "AC power" and USB powered device.

So, proved, with evidence.....

I am doing tests to find out if the Pogo's input is sufficient to handle common and uncommon situations of power drain, currently playing a HD video full brightness and sound builtin speakers off USB harddrive and Pogo and with Wifi on and seeing if battery charge goes up or down..... it seems to be going down..... 92%....91%.... so there are limits.... trying it next using progressively less til I find a stable maximum and the limits of this approach.....
[Nexus 10 General] FletchF:
I noticed that the Black Friday Week promo on the Play Store Devices page ends today. Presumably, that headline will be replaced by *something* else later today or tomorrow. Hmm... :)
[Nexus 10 General] dt33:
Neither rumoured N10.2 or Nexus 8 isnt registered at FCC at all and so there are nothing to be replace with. Be excite when N10.2 or N8 is registered at FCC first and then it will take some time before it get released. So it wont be any N10.2 release this year. :crying:
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Agreed, a different display technology would help. OLED?

I am very pleased with the N10's screen, its resolution seems more than adequate for all my needs. I agree, if you keep total pixels the same and just spread them down to a lower ppi you don't increase GPU load, just power to the display.

I can't see how it is powered, and no mention of battery life.

The USB socket idea is ultimately limiting, being able to get sufficient power input whilst using the device to keep it going whilst it is unplugged. In the laptop world you need a beefy PSU to allow such situations due to screensize and other power drains. If you add 4G into the mix it is all hitting the power calculations.

Also what is the usage scenarios for bigger screens? Watching HD vid streamed?

I watched Hulu Plus last night and was very pleased with the whole display and sound and noticed "HD" which wasn't showing on my N7 2012 playing the same video.

I also used the Pogo cable at same time as really hitting the power draining features and even with that cable it couldn't feed power in fast enough to make up for power drain and it was slowly discharging the battery. In the laptop world I've never seen that but they have 12V-19V inputs which adds to what you must carry compared to the dinky USB PSUs giving only 5V but at their limits.
[Nexus 10 General] Zod09999:
Sorry, to disappoint but it does not charge when the USB-port is used, which is why your battery is going down, regardless of what you do with your tablet.

Yes, it shows "AC Power", but it is still not charging, not even a little bit.
[Nexus 10 General] opssemnik:
for hardware yes, but i will not be buying if its made by lg or samsung. lg haves poor build quality, and samsung put its oem fingers all over place, take a look at galaxy nexus and galaxy s kernels.
[Nexus 10 General] lucky 69:
well i've been waiting to for the new one to get released.so man y rumors going around and it's driving me crazy.just want them to get it out .so i will wait like the rest of us .just one thing not to get off topic.i see alot of people going to samsung note 10.1 as a alternative .so what would be a good alternative if any? thanks
[Nexus 10 General] mi.tra:
evleaks says: "The LG V510 tablet is indeed a Nexus device"

https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/409828726734475264/photo/1

What do you think?
[Nexus 10 General] locovaca:
The V510 is an 8" device.
[Nexus 10 General] mi.tra:
So an 8'' to substitute the 7'', the 10'' or grab a new market target?
[Nexus 10 General] locovaca:
Honestly, I wonder if it'll just be a G Pad 8.3 GPE and not a true Nexus, despite what evleaks thinks. But it's also possible that Google is dropping out of the 10" market for a bit.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Google dropping out of 10" Android market makes sense for me:

Battery life in 10" means its much desk bound, meaning more commonly used with keyboard, mouse type situations to be a laptop alternative which turns into tablet, portable mode. Pogo cable is a little bit of a solution but even then its still only 5V input so @10W-11W at most.

Android doesn't do much for you at 10" scale. 10" is more use for watching media, sit+watch and for that why Android? (vs alternatives)

The cost (RRP) ~ $500 just puts off most people who are cost sensitive, meaning its for the less-cost-sensitive, and they can more easily throw money at Apple and Windows.

At the 8" scale its more of a big-screen phone complementary device. With tweaks you can make a 8" not much bigger than 7" in your hand and takes some of the big-screen viewing wishes of 10" via a lower cost lower power.

Owner of Nexus 10, Nexus 7, Nexus 4. I've had my N10 5 days now and using it and finding where it fits to my other gadgets. Where it seems best is sit+watch video with excellent display, better battery life than a laptop. In all other contexts, the N7 seems to win better as its more pocketable and better battery life when including recharge time.

I'm trying to figure what to sell, the N10 or N7, today's mood is sell the N10, but I'll play another week.
[Nexus 10 General] locovaca:
Pretty much confirmed today that the it's the G Pad 8.3 GPE. Resume the burnt offerings to the Nexus 10 gods.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=lg_g_pad

Hardly cheap $349 which means $381.78 delivered here in California. I got my refurbished N10 32GB for $314 delivered. New pad has 56% of the number of pixels and half the storage of the N10. Once you get to 32GB storage that covers frequent needs so don't need a SD slot, for large file transfers I OTG to a harddrive which works across my N4, N7, N10.

Makes sense for someone wanting something 1" bigger screen than the 7" and for which internal storage of 16+64 no OTG external storage.
[Nexus 10 General] Sensamic:
I'd say new Nexus 10 is not gonna happen after today.
[Nexus 10 General] abdel12345:
Nexus 7 is in white now too so I guess they just changed some small things with devices but no new nexus 10. 8 inches is pretty good and 350 isn't too bad as the nexus 10 would be 500 for 32 GB and this one has SD support. If i didn't have my current nexus 10 I'd buy an lg g pad over a nexus 7.
[Nexus 10 General] GoBigRed:
I am hoping for a Nexus 10 refresh. However, if the price of the Nexus 10 keeps dropping, I might just be tempted to pick one up.
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Google play edition LG G pad on play store now. Go now if you want one.
[Nexus 10 General] andyroo54:
It's probably as close to a 'new' nexus tablet we will get this year.
[Nexus 10 General] Langduscher:
I'm torn too...... :eek:

Need me a new 10" Droid and can buy a N10 for a very nice price.... but I really do not want to get the first gen now if a new one is going to be introduced in the next months...

(I know, 1st World problems... ;))

Should I wait a little longer - of should I take the plunge? Will it last some time into the future?
[Nexus 10 General] Rock-&-Roll-Hedgehog:
It's not available on the UK Google Play shop. You can get a Nexus 5, a Nexus 7 2013, or a chromebook. That is it & no Nexus 10's available at all.
[Nexus 10 General] humanshadow:
I feel with you, i have the same "problems"

Should i buy the N10 or wait for the new? What is, when no N10.2013 gona be released, or only an N8 and the N10 is then sold out? Now there are not many distributer here in Austria that have an N10. They selling the 16GB edition for 300€ (who selld it for 250€ in the last days is sold out today) and the 32GB for 350€. Should i buy it? yes no? :rolleyes: I'm very proud to have no bigger problems :)
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Strange. It should be down in the Google Play Edition devices category, you have to scroll towards the bottom. Of course I don't know for sure what they're doing for the UK version of the website. Seems odd that they wouldn't have it though. I'm sure it'll be there eventually if you want one. I went ahead and ordered one. My biggest gripe with the original LG one was the software. Now we'll have the latest software from Google for it. If you get one, get a case for it from somewhere though. It is simply not comfortable to hold by itself, you need something else to grab onto.

I predict the new Nexus 10 at the next big android reveal, IF they haven't canceled the line. I don't know if they would or not, but this is like a consolation prize. Sure it's not what I really wanted, but at this point, I'm simply tired of waiting. I don't need the latest or greatest hardware when I've got the software I want. Probably should have never listened to the rumor mill in the first place, it's easy to get caught up. I'm sure I will be able to sell it on ebay when Google gets around to releasing the other one. Here's to hoping for that someday. I'm pretty sure they've been getting a lot of flak from people on not producing one, so maybe it will appear next year. I know I gave them my two cents about it. ;)

Everyone get ready for the next round of rumors which will predict a spring, 2014 release!!! Yeah!!! *sigh*
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
If you buy used or refurbished for about half the cost of new then you are safer as if a successor is released you can decide to sell and not lose much $.

Any successor will be at similar price and initially be hard to source.

I remember when I bought a new N7 32gb and soon after came successor. I looked the price delta of a only-Google-Play new N7 vs the older model and their specs and it wasn't really a bad deal I had made getting the discounted earlier model.

To me the biggest weaknesses of the N10 cannot easily be solved and are down to the battery drain of its delightful screen. At most you can have a better chip set which delivers same performance for slightly less but the battery logs on mine show it's display and WiFi mostly which won't drop much.

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Seems this is regional. In countries with stock yes it's price can be low if you are quick to snap deals but I see in some countries it is not available new at all or close to RRP. In such drought situations I simply would not buy at that price given the N10's weaknesses.

Personally I never felt my needs deserved the $500 tag and I waited til I got at $300 at that price I can't regret if a new one comes out at $500+shipping+tax=$580
[Nexus 10 General] locovaca:
I was in the market for a 10" and started down the path of the Note 10.1 2014, it came with a malfunctioning backlight out of the box which appeared to be a somewhat common problem. I wasn't going to blow the warranty on a $550 tablet by rooting with issues like that, so I sent it back and settled on a $325 used N10. At $325, if I sold it in a year after a potential successor came out for even $225, that's still pretty darn good depreciation in a very volatile market. Last July I bought a refurbished Acer A500 10" for $230, they're still running at $140-150 for good quality ones even today, so that's only $80 in a year and a half. If you can get by on the current specs buying used and slightly older will always be the most cost effective solution.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Nods violently in agreement. Feel sorry though for those in countries which don't have new stock or many unhappy sellers.

In my case example calc is bought $314 if I sell in 6 months for $250 (currently they sell typically $350) that is 50c/day. I have learned it is best to buy the largest storage versions. I do think though the N10 has to solve its power problems eg a better than Pogo cable.

If I sell my N10 seems best to do it in next UK trip as they seem stupidly high cost there.
[Nexus 10 General] FletchF:
Just adding more fuel to this silliness, but... If you look at https://play.google.com/store/devices, the Nexus 10 is described as "A super high resolution display and great for HD content." I'm pretty sure they changed that in the last few days and it used to be a similar phrase containing the word "new". Hmm... :p
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Screenshot from Dec 5th says exactly that.
[Nexus 10 General] FletchF:
OK, I guess my memory fails me.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
My typo my screenshot's date is Dec 2nd ,but that's only 9 days ago so "soon" was the only difference, you might right in general.

Well if you think all that is wrong with the N10, none of them will get fixed quickly by a replacement. e.g. stability - it is often worse with a new product and takes some revisions til bugs are ironed out, e.g. I saw noticeable improvement in 4.4 on my N10 - that's many versions after 4.2.2 which was installed on my N10. Battery life, you can make some small, say 20% improvement by using lighter materials, beefing up the battery a little and using a more efficient chipset, but unless they have a totally different battery charger and socket, you're still looking at 6 hours charging, my N4 sat here which charges much faster gets quite hot simply being charged so there are other limits. The laptops that N10 competes against on price have external replacement batteries.

If you look at XDA forum following, N10 is a fraction of N7 so showing the smaller ownership, what puts people off N10 are its $500 price, no SD slot despite its large size, slow charging and then forums like this with people complaining about performance and stability. Stability will only be worse initially with any N10-2 for a period.

Bird in your hand is worth two in the bush as they say, the current N10 is a known product with a community to support, anyone waiting for the N10 successor will have bigger issues initially. For that reason, even if N10 sucessor announced today I'd not buy one for 3 months to allow s/w revisions and a user community to form to get help.