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[Nexus 10 General] cderrick14:
I can't believe that I'm going to do this, but I think I'm going to get the new IPad. No Android tablets offer what I want in specs/size/battery/apps. It is too bad, I've been waiting and waiting and the iPad has everything I want except it runs iOS. The breaking point was when FTL was released for IPad, and IPad only.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
The N10 already suffers from its large display burning GPU and burning battery and its short life. If you look what Snapdragon did to the N7 battery lfe?

My N10 if I do the following 3 things at once it crawls to almost like its going to reboot: copy a file over Wifi, run SSH client, try doing a 3rd thing also. The N7 has that same issue.

My quad-core desktop system though can do 3x-5x the number of things but its power demands and battery a lot more and its quite a bit thicker and heavier.

I think reality check is needed for these wanting so much from a thin light USB powered device. Can the N10 be improved upon? Yes? How much of that will have no downside? Very little.
[Nexus 10 General] faticata:
While i do agree indeed in almost what was said, i can disagree on the fact of poor optimization in one of the fields that a tablet must be good!. Browsing. Others like multimedia, audio capacities are followed if necessary.

I've a old Core2Duo laptop with 6/7 years that was required only a SSD disk to keep up the pace without stuttering (yes Sir it was like night and day:D). Browsing, Office, Editing are breeze. (yes i do have a X360 for the gaming part).

I think you can understand a little my annoyance:highfive:.
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I'm really enjoying my new Nexus 10 (2012).

I just looked at the Play Store, and for the Nexus 10, it has a message saying "Coming soon." This is a change from previous messages, since they stopped selling them.
[Nexus 10 General] charesa39:
Nice. I should be getting my N10 today that I ordered last week. Can't wait.

Everybody seemed to be making a big deal out of the status changing on the Play Store yesterday. Not quite sure what to make of it myself. I still don't think this is any indication of a new N10 coming. Maybe they found extra stock in the corner of their warehouse or something. Either way, anybody would be crazy to pay full price for it if they do start selling them again (at least in my opinion).
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Rumors and opinions takes only 5 min to create and pull retinas to the adverts on your screen. I'd not say "big deal" more "any excuse to quickly write something". As you read "everybody" seems it works :)
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
Nah. You just need the right h/w. S-800 and Exynos 5420 on the Note/Pro's along with 3GB of RAM have no problem managing multiple complicated tasks at the same time. Just yesterday I was in a coffee house connected to their Wi-Fi while typing a document in a word processor, responding to a XDA post in a browser multi-view window, and watching Amazon Instant in a pop-up window. And a BT keyboard, mouse, and headset were connected at the same time. I routinely have dual file apps up to drag and drop content from my home server via FTP on to my device and vice versa. 18 month old tech is sadly like dog years and what's top end now really adds a ton of capabilities s/w wise.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
I agree that higher spec hardware will result in higher performance. The main change since the N10 came out was better CPU and GPU and their integration. However, if you use the N10 a lot most of its battery life goes into screen, i.e making light for 2560×1600 pixels on a 10" screen.

The S-800, you mean the Hyundai Cobalt 1024x768 8" screen which is 1/5th the number of pixels on a smaller screen? That's not fair as its got less work to do driving the screen.

The Exynos 5420 such as in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 which has the same 2560×1600 as the N10 but its battery is smaller and lasts and hour less than the N10? Also, the N10 is street price $300 which is fair, a replacement will be higher cost. The Galaxy Note 10.1 is about $449 street price.

You can certainly improve on the N10 but there will be consequences and remember very high pixel counts and large screens force a lot of power demand from CPU, GPU and battery and making light so it adds up. Expectations have to be appropriately set what you can with the current technology and if you put all the greatest specs together you'll hit battery, or weight or cost, typically 2 of those 3.
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
And for those of us coming from a device like the TF700T, the N10 is fantastic :D .

It's great the N10 is doing so well after almost 2 years, that it's still even part of the performance discussion at all. So many totally fall off the map after even 1 year.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
Not just better a hell of a lot more energy efficient and a lot cooler running. Exynos 5250 in the N10 is built on a 32nm die while both S-800 (Qualcomm Snapdragon 800-series) and Exynos 5420 are built on 28nm dies.

For better or worse display quality wise the N10.1-14 has a RGBW display. It reduces the number of RGB pixels but the added white pixel greatly reduces energy draw.

Actually with a smaller battery and more efficient but also power hungry CPU/GPU the N10.1-14 gets better battery life than the N10.

You can get a refurb N10.1-14 for about $350 when they're available.

http://www.woot.com/plus/samsung-ga...er+-+6150529&utm_medium=affiliate+-+home.woot

Regardless, the N10 being a Nexus has its benefits and is still a great value/device. This is more just a discussion of the impact of advancing h/w.
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I considered that Galaxy line for the raw power.

However, I am no fan of the Samsung User interface and their efforts to basically move far from native Android. So I went with the N10, because I won't buy something with that Samsung interface which I do not want. If there was a means to load plain Android on the newest of Samsung tablets, maybe. But when I looked at the Dev forums here for them, things looked pretty slim for ROMs and other options.
[Nexus 10 General] BarryH_GEG:
Everybody bashes Samsung's s/w but there are some benefits. Here's Amazon Instant playing in the stock Video Player using the pop-up-play feature. So if I'm watching video full screen and want to check my e-mail I can shrink it using pop-up-play and then restore it when the commercial's done.

You can also have the Video Player playing in a multi-view window running alongside something else. This is Hulu.

It's the furthest thing away from "pure Android" as is possible, updates can take forever, and all the crap going on in the background can cause some hesitation in transitions but there's cool stuff you can do that you can't do on any other device; and not just Android devices either. This isn't a Samsung commercial but they deserve credit for delivering some pretty innovative supplements to Android.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Can you do that on an N10? It was a feature once ?
[Nexus 10 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Samsung has done a great job of marketing their screen split feature. It's not news to anyone.

Still wanted an N10 and didn't want Samsung's rendition of Android... If there was a Google Edition of the 12 inch Samsung tablets, I would have purchased one.

Some want what Samsung has to offer and some people like iPhones too. I'm just different.
[Nexus 10 General] PVL_93_RU:
Too bad that Samsung doesn't provide the Google Play Editions of every Tab Pro lineup device

But here's hope that if Sammy actually makes a second generation of Nexus 10 - it would probably be the Tab Pro 10.1 with AOSP, no capacitive buttons, and Google branding. That would be the best Android tablet ever
[Nexus 10 General] hughlle:
It doesn't matter how expensive a tablet it, you can't compare it to even an ultrabook. They're just different animals and must be treated as such.

I'll take a ten inch tablet over an 8.x any day of the week. Two handed typing on the n10 is a dream, never had to bother using the Bluetooth keyboard I bought for it. I can type at around the same speed I would on a laptop keyboard. My N7 on the other hand is an absolute pain. The only thing I like about it is its size when it comes to getting out and about. Both my 10 and 7 have specific uses and anything in between would be rather useless for me. Fingers crossed for another 10", and I would in no way be opposed to something larger :)
[Nexus 10 General] PVL_93_RU:
Typing could have been even better if N10 was as light as Xperia Tablet Z, you could hold it and type with both hands even like that
[Nexus 10 General] Note10.1Dude:
I waited so long for a new Nexus 10 that I ended up with a Note 10.1 (2014). In the end, I really like the pen. 10" is a great size, but the Nexus 10 is just too old of specification. Looks like it will be replaced by a 9". I like the extra size of the 10.
[Nexus 10 General] SeaFractor:
Have you seen the new iPad Air?

Apple has certainly set the new standard for feel/form factor.

I'm still real happy with my Google N10, but there's not really much chance that I can talk someone into purchasing one now while riding on the link light rail.

Despite no photo's or other details, Asus will really need to bring it in this round. If it's a 10.1" version of the N7 2013 edition with high resolution, newer processors and GPUs, Google and Asus will have lost the match.

This round isn't over processor performance/OS but over form factor.

I want Google to win, but I'm somewhat concerned it'll be an N7 2013 stretched to size, which would look great! But still not be the same as the "air".
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Seen it. Still don't care for the way the back wraps into the front. Aesthetics aside, I'm sure it will please Apple fans. Honestly, I don't see the point of having such thin tablets when everyone just puts them in cases anyway.

I like MS's approach to it. Putting the stand directly into the tablet and using high quality materials instead of needing a case. The price and the emerging walled garden mentality is what scares me away from them though.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
Its nicer to put a case on a 7mm thick device and have it end up being 1.2cm thick with the case on than to put a case on a 1cm thick device. You get the idea.

I completely agree about the form factor, I personally want a tablet with miniscule bezels, the nexus 7 2013 is hideous with its bezels when compared to the ipad mini.

If only I could have an iPad Air running android...
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Well it's gotta have some bezel. Thanks to the mini's lack of bezel some people have been having issues with their hand actually covering part of the screen because there's no where to grip, and that would drive me nuts. There's no way I'm gonna always palm my tablet. I think the mini went a little too far.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
Im not sure how well this works but in theory it sounds as if it solves the problems of holding a tablet with such small bezels.
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Aside from the fact I've heard the software you quoted doesn't always work, that's not my point. The point is I don't want my hand covering part of the screen, however small, thereby blocking some of my view and itself being a distraction resting there. It just irks me.
[Nexus 10 General] prb304:
Back on topic.

We know there was a Google event yesterday night.

I think its really interesting that we've heard literally nothing from any of the big news sites.

I just wonder if they showed of something huge, and its all under embargo until monday or something?
[Nexus 10 General] CWalkop:
Try this on your Nexus 7/10; we already have this software in Android. Either that, or it doesn't affect things due to Fragments (that is definitely true to a certain extent); I'm not sure. But we already got this integrated in Android.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
I don't know guys...kit kat is just around the corner and still no credible Nexus 10 leaks, I'm starting to wonder if they will even make a second gen. Nexus 10. The Nexus 10 doesn't seem to be nearly as popular as it's little brother, so maybe Google has decided to focus on the Nexus 7 instead. And if they do make another one we will probably at least have to wait for 4.5 or 5.0. I hope I'm wrong though.
[Nexus 10 General] MartiniGM:
The new Samsung Note 10.1 excites med. :)
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
OR..... Everyone is so bat crap crazy over the Nexus 5 that no one is trying too hard with the new Nexus 10. Works for me as long as it's real. While everyone is tripping over themselves trying to get a Nexus 5, I'll be buying a new Nexus 10, and NO ONE will care. That suits me just fine....unless their whole website crashes...damnit. Why'd I have to go and paint that scenario for myself?
[Nexus 10 General] Rock-&-Roll-Hedgehog:
The things I'm most concerned about are power & storage. I've totally filled my Nexus 7 16GB (bought at launch so no higher storage was available) with apps. I've had to delete things I didn't want to. I'm praying for a 64GB Nexus 10 2 model. And like you I couldn't really care less about the Nexus 5.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
Oh yeah, it doesn't help that Google is still selling the Nexus 10 and at the same price. Google cut the price of the Nexus 4 a while ago in anticipation.
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Oct 31st?

Anyone think the OCT 31st date is real? Again there's absolutely no mention of the Nexus 10, but we have heard multiple times that it will be released with the Nexus 5. According to the rumor, it will actually be available on that day, which leads me to three different scenarios:

1. Google will announce an event VERY shortly that will co-inside with the new speculated date of release.

2. Google will abstain from announcing anything, and instead will do a surprise release of KitKat on Oct 31 followed by a press release or small conference.

3. This is all hogwash and Google has nothing planned until November.

Personally I'm hoping it's one of the first two, but with rumors that the government shutdown has affected the release of the product or that there have been delayed are starting to build up in my mind. What better way to keep the hype and excitement rolling than getting nestle to release cryptic puzzles that probably mean nothing, and putting the N5 up on the play store for a few minutes. This is actually genius marketing if the new devices and KitKat are not ready, because now everyone and their mom is all the more intrigued and frustrated. Nothing builds tension and desire like this. People will probably buy out the Nexus 5 in under an hour at this rate, and not because they know what they're getting for sure, just because they've been told they can't have it for so long. Hoping the Nexus 10 sits there while everyone is busy with the 5 so I can just get mine and be done with it.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
So if Google doesn't release a new nexus 10, what tablet will you upgrade to?
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
Why upgrade at all? I'll keep my current Nexus 10.
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Haven't decided. The beauty of the Nexus line is that you don't even really need to root for most everything because it's just pure android. If I was forced to go outside of that... I would probably root whatever I bought. Maybe a Transformer. Certainly not the continuously lame Galaxy Tab series. Not paying for a note 10.1 when I would just root/flash it and negate the purchase price. Not going for the walled garden that is Apple. MS Pro surface is one I would consider, but it's so damn expensive. The RT versions don't appeal to me at all.

So in other words, I have no idea.

Don't let me down Google!!
[Nexus 10 General] cderrick14:
So if Google doesn't release a new nexus 10, what tablet will you upgrade to?

Thinking I might go with the LG G Pad 8.3. Initially I was super skeptical regarding an LG tablet, but after some research it looks like a really cool tablet.

Nice aluminum body, small bezels (my biggest complaint about the Nexus 10) decent enough specs, 1080p screen.

We'll see what some of the bigger sites say for reviewing it, but it is definitely high on my watch list.
[Nexus 10 General] timfimjim:
You know one of the main reasons the Nexus 10 has bigger bezels is for the massive battery they put in it?

In an ideal world, bezels would be smaller without sacrificing battery life. I think i'll probably stick with my current N10 because I don't think I'll be able to afford any kind of upgrade
[Nexus 10 General] cderrick14:
That's a really good point, and the Nexus 10 does have superb battery life too.

I'm selling mine today though. I'm ready to move on and get something different.
[Nexus 10 General] andyroo54:
Hmm that LG tablet looks very nice, I honestly wouldn't have considered it before I got the LG Nexus 4, but given how nice the N4 is, If google don't release some info soon then I might get it, 8.2 seems like a really nice size for me too. Only downside is NO WIRELESS CHARGING!? This should be a STANDARD by now!
[Nexus 10 General] jerverg:
I'm fine with my N10 for now. The screen looks awesomely sharp and that's the main thing I am using on it so I'll pass on the second gen.
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
So if anyone else is like me, yesterday was a huge disappointment. I was expecting a new Nexus 10, instead only the 5 was released. Any ideas? Google holding back or it doesn't even exist?

I found it interesting that the 16 GB old version of the Nexus 10 is still sold out and the 32 has been pushed back til Nov 6th.
[Nexus 10 General] Rock-&-Roll-Hedgehog:
On the UK Google Play shop the 16GB & the 32GB have been in stock & continuously available. Both were available late last night. Today both are saying 'Leaves warehouse by November 6, 2013'. I'm hoping it is a sign. Especially as they are stating the same availability date as the USA Google Play shop. But my biggest concern is whether or not they will have a 64GB model.
[Nexus 10 General] Patroy:
Yep, i fell the same, it has been said that new N10 will hit stores for christmas but it would be first nexus device launched without pushing new version of android.. or there will be 4.5 soon?
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Honestly I'm thinking this new push back may just be because of all the nexus 5 phones they have to take care of. That leaves little time to deal with shipping out crusty old nexus 10s.... Hope I'm wrong, but yeah.
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Doubtful. Not within a month. If they are releasing this thing it has to be today or very soon to be continuous with their launch habits. If not, then they will have to break tradition, IF it even exists. Like someone else said, there's really no evidence that it does. I think I may have jumped the gun on selling my N10. No one even cares enough to ask where it is across the internet. Maybe Google felt that and decided to scrap it or put it on hold indefinitely.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
I was really hoping Google would have released the new and updated nexus 10 yesterday as it would have given consumers another option in regards to the iPad Air release on Nov. 1st.

Now the iPad Air has practically no competition from the Android segment for the next month besides the Note 10.1 2014 which hasn't exactly wowed reviewers as much as the iPad has.
[Nexus 10 General] sidthegreatest:
I already sold me N10 in anticipation of the new model, and I was disappointed when a new model wasn't launched.

If the new model isn't launched within the next few weeks, I will have no choice but to go for the new ASUS TF701 as the Note is too expensive.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
I would advise you to look up past reviews of ASUS tablets, people have sworn off them because of the poor build quality and cheap internal components.
[Nexus 10 General] cderrick14:
I am really frustrated as well. Even if Google could give us a hint that they are working on one it would make my decision making easier. I just recently sold my tablet and am very much in the market for a new one.

I'm down to the G Pad 8.3, or the new Nexus 10 if it is released in the next bit.

Since I don't have a laptop, I find it is important to have a tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] springy:
According to Ron at arstechica a Nexus 8 might be around the corner...

https://plus.google.com/104025431341062052230/posts/URwmM4Td8P5
[Nexus 10 General] ChrisM75:
I cant wait for the new N10, so that people will discuss it in its own section rather than filling up this one with dozens of pointless threads about an unrelated device that doesnt even exist yet.
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
The one thin ray of hope I have is that they haven't updated the N10 page to the new format yet, and the 16Gb still isn't back in stock.

This says to me that Samsung has ceased production and no one is going to bother to update the page cause they're just making a different one.

This is the only logical conclusion I can derive.
[Nexus 10 General] Rock-&-Roll-Hedgehog:
I know I am being thick here but what is the "new format"?
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Go and look at the nexus 5 and 7 pages. See how they have the versions of each devices on a simple changeable button system?

Now look at the Nexus 10. There are two separate pages for each device, the changeable buttons aren't there.

They're going to scrap the whole page If they don't update it.

EDIT: It was much more apparent before when they had the Nexus 7 and it's multitude of different options all available down in separate boxes instead of right there at the top with buttons. I suppose it's essentially the same thing, it's just quicker and more refined.
[Nexus 10 General] Rock-&-Roll-Hedgehog:
I think it's a bit different on the UK one. Because the Nexus 10 does have changeable buttons. BUT the page is the old way whereas the Nexus 5 & 7 pages do have a fancy new button system which is clearly different & updated like you say. You may be onto something (I hope). Thanks for explaining. :)
[Nexus 10 General] andyroo54:
I was so disappointed but kind of expecting they wouldn't announce the n10 with the N5.

There basically seems to be no real evidence to suggest a new N10 is even being built. Maybe the Samsung N10 never sold very well, and they want to focus on N7 and N5.

I bought a N7 2013 on the weekend.. its nice, but its just too small for me. I'd rather just use my hp touchpad, even though its SO laggy and slow..

IMO google need to be more transparent with their devices. All of their sneaky marketing tactics just make me annoyed and angry.

I might just sell the N7 and get an LG G pad.
[Nexus 10 General] frankws:
I guess it is hard to get excited when there is so much bull to read and so many rumors.

I think there is a new 10 coming but I've only had my 10 for 4 or 5 months. So I'm not buying another right now. Maybe gen 3 will be out by the time I need to update.
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
I agree. The sneaky tactics need to go. You're right about that.

However, I think there has been at least a modicum of evidence to support it. Google themselves said they wanted to do a refresh ages ago, and that exec(can't remember his name) said it was in the works back at the 7's reveal. Evleaks posted that screen shot of it in the computer system.

The nexus 10 may have never rivaled the Ipad in sales, but it sold reasonably well. Enough to justify it's existence.

LG's pad looks OK, but I'm aiming for a 10 inch tablet. It's the best size for just chilling out at home. Plus who knows when if ever it will get kitkat without root. Even with root you still have to wait for a stable and functional build to come along.
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Looks like Google corrected the problem. Its just a Nexus 7. If you go to the website you'll see they've fixed the photoshop job.

http://www.android.com/apps-and-entertainment/
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
LG making new nexus 10...?

Ok, bear with me. LG listed a new device for bluetooth certification a little while ago on Oct 24th. This device was purported to be the new Nexus 8 after a bad photoshop job that was seen on the android website. The device is named the LG-V510.

What if... LG is actually making the new nexus 10? Look at the model number. The 510. As far as I know no one has linked this device with anything yet.