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[Nexus 10 General] FlattFoxJohnson:
Would be nice if...

Would be nice if we had some info on it. I've got the original wifi xoom mz604 and I'll say its held up nicely and it does everything I ask it to do, but I've upgraded my phone twice since getting it and I'm ready for the nexus 10 2 (nexus 10 2013?) to drop...or just some info to drop so I can make a decision whether to wait or not.

What I don't understand about product releases is that I would think manufacturers would want to release information as early as possible so that buyers can decide whether to wait and buy their device or to go ahead and buy an available device. I'd think that if someone wants a new tablet and wants to get the newest one available (that suits them), they would research whats available or coming up and make a decision. If i'm gonna buy a tablet today, but I know the nexus 10 2 is coming out in 2 weeks. I'm more likely to wait the 2 weeks and get the newest tablet out there. If theres no info on release date and I need a tablet now, I'll just go buy whats available now instead of waiting indefinitely.

Get the release date and price out there so I can decide to wait or not. Otherwise I'll buy something else today and you'll lose my business. I'm sure there are reasons to not release the info, but as a buyer...I want to know how long I have to wait.

At any rate, I want to switch to Nexus devices...but I'm on Verizon and won't be getting a nexus phone anytime soon I bet. So at least tell me when I can get the tablet...I mean, its my birthday today and I could tell my family just to give me some cash to save up for it instead of asking for something else just to be asking for something...i.e. mom is getting me a briefcase...exciting!

Lay out the release roadmap so I know what to do...please.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Sounds like you don't know what you want.
[Nexus 10 General] Langduscher:
I guess I'll just take the plunge & hope that Google won't disappoint me with announcing a successor shortly...
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
The GPE devices are useless to me since I live in Canada and they are not available here. My only options are either an old nexus 10, note 10.1 or iPad Air. I am honestly not that interested in any of those, maybe the iPad for the apps or the Note 10.1 but the horizontal buttons on the note 10.1 really kill the deal.
[Nexus 10 General] yousufjiwani:
Lol pretty much. Do I need a tablet? What size? Which one? If there was a nexus option other than the N7 I would've bought it by now

Nexus 4 OmniROM/Franco
[Nexus 10 General] Quetzalcoalt_Lp:
I really want the Nexus 10, but it could be really annoying if I buy it now and two months later Google release the new version...
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Agreed, so don't buy new, or if new heavily reduced from RRP.

Or... be absolutely sure what you're buying well suits your needs and you'll use for years so per-day costs are reduced.
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
LG G Pad 8.3

Just an update since I bought the LG G pad GPE. This thing ROCKS. It's super smooth, has a beautiful screen, and does just about everything I could hope for. Not to mention how much lighter it is than my N10 was. I will not be giving this thing up. If Google puts out a new N10, I don't know that I'll even want it. I'm pretty happy with my purchase, and feel it was well worth it. Anyone considering one, I say go for it if you got the cash. It's very hard to be disappointed in a tablet that feels this premium. The original G Pad was only lacking in the one place that counted: the software. This GPE fixes that.
[Nexus 10 General] andyroo54:
I would buy it in a heartbeat if it had wireless charging..
[Nexus 10 General] Sythrix:
Yeah, it would be nice, but it probably would have been thicker because of it. I don't mind plugging it in every couple of days at night. It drains about 2% every 10 hours with the screen off, so battery life hasn't been an issue for me.

A dock would be awesome though...
[Nexus 10 General] rkirmeier:
I'm really itching to upgrade my N10. I really want something bleeding edge with the best performance possible. Wondering if Google didn't decide to redesign the N10 around a newer 64bit chip since the Air was released with a 64bit. Something does not add up cause these rumors started a while back with some creditable leaks and you would think they would have released it before xmas! Also considering the Note 12.2 if that ever gets released but I really hate the stupid home button on the Sammy tablets so not sure what I will do. Probably go with which ever one comes out first cause i'm too dam impatient!
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Bleeding edge = unreliable with high return rate. N10 has suffered that, still does 1 year later. e.g. my camera doesn't work but I'd rather live with that as use camera more on other devices.

but at what price and what battery life?

Only if android is able to support it, best to get the s/w in place first. Initially 64bit h/w tends to pull the s/w which then eventually benefits from the h/w but in x86 that chicken'n'egg took years. I run 64bit desktop Linux OS and years passed before the pain of all the hacks of 64bit OS did it make it worthwhile performance-wise.

There was never any credible leaks. All I saw was someone wanting eyeballs to their adverts and making it up. Faked pic being pedaled.

In electronics commodity market, to go longer than a year between refreshes implies someone major wrong. To me that says there is a lack of interest inside Google in 10" market for Android.

I like having all 3 of N4, N7, N10 as its one set of drivers,OS, etc to learn to use.
[Nexus 10 General] rkirmeier:
Well I ordered my N10 the day it became available and have been very happy with it. Wouldn't go back and change that decision if I could. I've had it for a year and I need a new gadget not to mention that the Ipad (Air) now smokes the N10 in internet browsing so I want something new and faster. I can go days on a battery so give me twice the performance at half the battery life and I'm fine with that. I've had a 10 and 7 at the same time and the 7 just doesn't get used. On the go my S4 is all I need... As for 64bit I realize it's all marketing and I don't really care but the marketing people certainly do and recent back this up. As for supporting it this is not straight linux or Windows. You don't need to deal with drivers and what not. If they recompile the Jave Dalvik or ART for 64bit and build the drivers which would all happen before anything is released everything will run...
[Nexus 10 General] cderrick14:
The LG Gpad GPE is fantastic. It replaced my nexus 10 and I'm super happy with it.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
It sure looks like a slick device yet it is not an option for anyone outside the US. Outside the US, your options are very limited, you can go iPad Air or Note 10.1 2014 for full size tablets, sure there are other manufacturers but I don't consider ASUS a reliable tablet manufacturer based on their history.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
What about over-clocking N10?
[Nexus 10 General] aehlayel:
meh.

You'll enjoy it, for the first 5 seconds - until the CPU gets throttled due to overheating....

Great device, could have been executed better...
[Nexus 10 General] rkirmeier:
:good:
[Nexus 10 General] Stephen.Clement:
I don't really get why people are getting disappointed by the lack of release when there's really been no evidence for it. Then again, I'm not really sure how much promo surrounded the 5 and the new 7 prior to their releases.
[Nexus 10 General] Captpt:
I'm very content with my N10, it blows away my previous TF700 which is one reason I'm kinda hesitant to jump on the next N10 which will be built by Asus.. This present N10 has been rock solid, fast and never suffers from the lag issues I had with my TF700, heck I haven't even found the need to root this N10 where with my old TF700 I had to I IFK and root it after only having it a week or so due to lag and unfortunately none of the ROMs I flashed could help enough.. To be honest if kitkat doesn't cause a performance hit for my present N10 when its available for it I may just hang on to this N10 and skip upgrading to the newer upcoming version..
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Was this in some kind of outbox for weeks? Kitkat has been out for Nexus 10 since... Nov 13th... we're on 4.4.2 now....
[Nexus 10 General] Langduscher:
Still undecided :eek::rolleyes:

What to think of all the new rumours that the Nexus 10 (2014) will be released around CES?
[Nexus 10 General] Vaetheran2107:
New Nexus 10 or nothing for me.

Not willing to buy another slow, full of garbage tablet again.

The only thing on my mind is the GPad but that's not available as Google Edition in Germany so...

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 4 mit Tapatalk
[Nexus 10 General] cderrick14:
I bought the regular gpad and put Paranoid Android on it. Runs like a dream. Though I suppose it does void the warranty...
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
The FCC has to have the produce approved. The last one appeared on their site became what was announced as the Gpad.
[Nexus 10 General] Langduscher:
So its still just rumours eh...

What to do, what to do :confused:
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
I agree, comparing RRP with RRP, the gpad looks a workwhile option.

My N10 flashed stock with Franco kernel is running perfect ok. I've had it crash once in 3 weeks and no performance concerns. Having used it a lot I went back to my N7 2012 which then looked a terrible screen and slow, not something I'd particularly noticed til I got used to the N10.

Really this is about screen size for me. The N10 cost me less than the Gpad, it contains 1.8x times the number of pixels so is more of a media-consuming device. If I couldn't have got a N10 for $300, at the $500 RRP I simply would never buy and wait..... and if my N7 died I'd have replaced with the gpad which 3-4 months now will be available for $300 from dealers. So a lot of this is down to what you have now, what options are available.

The N10 isn't a bad tablet, I just think for its drawbacks it was not worth $500, for which I'd simply never buy (and didn't buy, I waited a year til I could get for $300, and just used my N7).

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I don't personally scan FCC but there are those who do, and N10 successor isn't out til FCC postings are showing which have a spec which implies it - form factor being a critical one (i.e. big enough for a 10" screen). The last FCC posting which could have been N10 was too small and it was there weeks before the gpad was announced.

What to do? Well ....

What is your need? Is it urgent? Is this play, if so what? Do you want the 10" screen size or performance or....?

Is a used one ok for you? Spend say 10mins/day on ebay? I got a refurbished unit in a deal a month ago.

One trick I've found is my 4G SIM provider doesn't allow tethering but I checked and Android-Android single device tethering seems to be allowed (probably because its pulling the same data and is a single device) so I been bluetooth tethering my N4 and streaming on my N10 so can have bigger display when I want to and can carry the size+weight. Kicking myself I didn't think of it earlier. Means... I don't need to have any tablet with data, just my phone with data.
[Nexus 10 General] Langduscher:
Thanks mate.

I want a 10" tablet with better display than TF300T, better performance. It must last at least 1yr in development (I know when a new N10 comes out in the next quarter develeopment on this gen N10 will come tot a halt).

Am I in a hurry? Well "yes", but thats a 1st world problem :D

I would just REALLY HATE it when I pull the trigger on this one & Google comes out with a next gen soon.:rolleyes:
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Not familiar with the Transformer Pad TF300T, I looked it up. Yikes, I see what you mean, same cost but 25% of the number of pixels of the N10. That must be a terrible screen, its worse than my N7 2012 and when I move back to my N7 after looking at N10, its noticeable.

Can you get a used N10 at reasonable cost? Then you don't really lose much $ if/when successor comes out.

The N10 has a great display, I think its greatest asset. I could spot the size of it immediately, but the clarity of it I didn't appreciate til I looked back at my N7 2012. For me its biggest weakness has been battery life but I got a new 2.1A psu and a Pogo cable and its now doing 85% recharge in 4 hours which is tolerably good. Lack of SD I get around via root+Stickmount. I don't feel any performance issue but I'm not really taxing it.

The most likely N10 successor change will be in processor and GPU and probably 1GB more memory, I don't really feel the display can get that significantly better, as most of the power consumption is in the display I'd expect battery life to be about the same, i.e. the strength of the N10 won't really be improved and its weakeness not really improved, and what will improve won't really be in an area which I find currently lacking.

Some of the lessons learned from N10 vs others doesn't seem to be learned. In a 10" form factor it is only an idiot designer who couldn't include a SD slot of some description. The two forward facing speakers makes it true laptop companion (my N7 I basically need headphones mandatory), and really attention to minimalism of what you install can do as much as throwing faster GPU.

When you say a year its out of development? Well my N7 2012 is now coming upto 6 months since it was succeeded and its still getting ROM updates, my N4 is now a over a year old and getting ROM updates, everything on N5 I can retrofit onto N4. If anything, I see the opposite problem, the older models have hacks which work which newer models don't have, due to the critical-mass of installed user base which is higher in the 6-12 month age device.

So I'm saying hunt down for a decent used model, and if/when something better comes along, chances are you'll be happy with the N10 or be able to sell for a little less than bought it.

Typed in USA where availability is better. I see you're in NL so know you'll find getting used harder.
[Nexus 10 General] RusherDude:
I really hope all the waiting is because they want to deliver it at CES 2014 as the first 4K resolution tablet (1600p is damn common already, the 16:9 equivalent (1440p) is the 2014 rule for smartphones).
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Same problem. CES is Jan6th which is too near given need FCC approval. So not at CES. One observation is that G never reveal a new product unless with a new Android release which suggests April. Look out for FCC hints February for April release.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
No, just no. Mobile procesessors are struggling to push the pixels in 1600p devices already. There is no significant benefit to such a high resolution screen on mobile devices besides bragging rights although there are countless downfalls with lag, worse battery life and excess heat produced by the device.
[Nexus 10 General] RusherDude:
At the presumable 10" of the Nexus 10, 4K is the equivalent on the 1440p for the 2014 4-5" flagship smartphones. It is more noticeable than 1600p tablets/1080p smartphones? Only for the 5% like of people with great vision, but yet, technology goes on.

They struggle with 1600p now? good, because the last year they were struggling with 1080p, the year before with 720p, etc. If they ship it with a 4K screen, do not doubt that the GPU will be able to move it like the Nexus 10 moves its 1600p screen, which imho is balanced enough for having such a good screen for movies/games.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
Great, technology moves on, nobody said it didn't. There is not a valid reason at this point in time to put a 4k display on a tablet. 1080p is different as that content is readily available and it was logical to move phone screens to 1080p.

Best of luck finding 4k content available to watch if you are lucky enough to own a 4k TV. It just simply is not there and the massive bandwidth required is partially to blame.

With tablets and smartphones maxing out at 128gb storage, 4K content is going to slaughter that space.

Go ahead, give me three good reasons why 4K on a tablet is needed.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
I don't know what is 4k content?

I have bluetooth tethered my Nexus 4 with my Nexus 10 and it works "out the box" with (so far) just one needed hack to fix DNS, and it works ok. However, I did a phone-tablet file transfer test and I'm getting 70KB/s ~560Kbit. I did a Internet bandwidth test and got 0.9Mbps via Bluetooth but, if instead of Bluetooth terhering, I use Wifi tethering, it shot up to the the 6Mbit, the same speed I get on my phone (Nexus 4, Straighttalk, 3G). So working but either slow or battery hog on the phone. I'm not sure why Bluetooth is so much slower, 4.0 spec = 25Mbps ? I'll look for Bluetooth postings on that bandwidth issue.

I mention as having cellular data on tablet isn't the only option, and personally, for my purposes, I'd prefer to use the phone as the modem as I pay 1 cellular plan. I pay $45/month with roughly 2GB/month data so over a year $540, my tablet was $314... so overall the data plan costs dominate more than the tablet cost.

Note I also have a 4G USB dongle for my laptop and via ppp-widget and a kernel replacement it works on N10.
[Nexus 10 General] Langduscher:
I see it's got 4.2, 4.3 and now 4.4 so it's just one new version for N10 mantaray officially by Google, am I right? After that - I will have to use custom ROMs (which I'd rather not). And IF Google brings out a new N10 anytime soon, custom development on this N10 will come to a halt.

Btw thank you for your great replies mate:good:
[Nexus 10 General] RusherDude:
Don't worry about the content, in fact, 4K content will appear as 4K TVs expand and lower its prices. It's a sure thing.
[Nexus 10 General] FletchF:
That's what the TV makers thought about 3D.
[Nexus 10 General] RusherDude:
Haha no way, noone was interested in 3D really.
[Nexus 10 General] SeaFractor:
No, just no. At 10" display, NO ONE ON THE PLANET EARTH can discern the 4K resolution.

As the industry is working hard at saving just 30% more in power/heat compared to an existing Nexus 10 1600P displays, 4K will cause a serious hit on battery performance and heat output. The CPU/GPU would have to be "under clocked" in order to ensure that the device doesn't shutdown or hang from thermal runaway protection. Currently you'll see the majority of device reviews focus on a very important factor. "Real world" battery performance. 4K wouldn't overcome the sales detraction of something that needs to be recharged every 4 hours and was as thick as a Microsoft Surface Pro 2.

Had a few friends purchase 4K TV's and then promptly return them. Why? Because they actually looked worse than the 1080P TV's they had before. Not in resolution as it's undisputed that one can tell the difference between 4K and 1080P on a TV 50" or larger, but many had manufacturing defects that required replacing several times before they'd given up. Strange spots on the screen where the LED technology illuminated too brightly, strange bleed problems that the forums for the TV's showed reducing the brightness and contrast by 50% to reduce. The vendor showed that if they spent another thousand dollars they could purchase models that do not have the defects, but there was no further interest at that point. Soured on 4K for the time being.

For a top end device, Google and the OEM really want the new display tech to be really solid. The N10 is/was a great product but it's sales was SERIOUSLY harmed by light bleed and the report that while the pixel count was high, the color saturation and accuracy frankly sucked and was worse than the original N7. This despite trying to compete with the iPad Mini that was better looking with 1024x768 resolution because the color accuracy was spot on.

4K with the defects to the display like the N10 did (greatly improved with KitKat, but sadly still less than the display panel is actually capable of if properly calibrated) would have even more pixels showing off the color failures. Trust me, it would actually look worse than the N10 with Jelly Bean 4.1 did. 4K of cruddy color calibration and mediocre saturation = more pixels of crap.

4 hours of battery life for such a display would send everyone packing... For a LG 8 Google Edition or to an iPad Mini "air".
[Nexus 10 General] guardianali:
Simple really... Google doesn't want a blackberry situation with a large amount of unused tablets on hand. The 16 gig n10 had been sold out a while. The 32 gig is still in Stock. I have no doubt the new n10 is already done. But they aren't going to risk fcc leaks and lose ability to lower the old 32gig model inventory levels. Once the 32 gig model inventory is done.. Surprise surprise.. The new n10 revealed.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Price matters. I watched an ebay offer sell out in about a day, 1300 units sold at $300.

Looking at prices and stocks on Amazon, about $350 seems to be the market worth for the product.

Stick it on Google Play at $500 and see it hold stock for a long time....

As to new items undermining stock, there have been many rumors of the the N10 (the whole Black Friday / Cyber Monday lies) and it didn't stop people buying at $300. That rumor now gone, I not seen Google run out of stock coming up to Chrimbo.

The observation is for the product performance and features, the market doesn't want it at $500. That problem will only get worse with time, so if they are holding off releasing til current stock gone, that will take a long time.
[Nexus 10 General] msavic6:
I would much rather they wait until 4k TV's become a common occurence than to jump the gun and put 4k displays in mobile devices.
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Isn't the Google vision that the tablet is optimized for being in your hands and you Chromecast to HDTV?

I find my N10 screen very watchable. I typically download content and rsync push to my N10. I scripted the entire end-to-end last night so my N10 has the 27Gb of oldest mp4 files and as I watch and delete files on N10 it automatically gets newer files and content is auto downloaded and ffmpeg converted from its source. Hulu is the most stubborn to resist downloading. Next is to get a 2nd Ethernet port and seamless squid proxy so multiple devices access same content via less downloading. I like how with Android busybox I can use near identical scripts on N10 and Linux Raspberry Pi.

I fear though Google's plans to force us to watch commercials eg the Chromecast closed platform approach.
[Nexus 10 General] Langduscher:
Well no more braincracking here :D Santa got me a N10 :good:
[Nexus 10 General] nigelhealy:
Enjoy. It took me only a few days til I observed that wonderful screen came at a wonderful battery drain and I got the Pogo cable and a 2.1A PSU that then fixed it enough for me.

Enoy the stereo front speakers and that screen....

We're running the same mostly stock 4.4.2 with Franco kernel but I sometimes sdcard zip apply TCE kernel for some usb drivers that Samsung don't include in latest ROMs.
[Nexus 10 General] :
And that content gets to the end user how?

It's not all about whether or not the devices can handle a given kind of input, so much as the bandwidth that delivers that material. I'd wager most users still upload or watch YouTube in 720p despite the prevalence of 1080p screens/devices/whatever just because the extra overhead isn't worth it.