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[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
Bro, nothing personally was meant towards you, I guarantee it. We all get our licks here on XDA; take it with a grain of salt and move on. Better yet, get a sense of humor about it and join in on the fun.

The 31st is certainly a possibility; I wouldn't bet any money on it, and it seems strange that Google has yet to send out any press invites or anything, but who knows. This is without a doubt one of the oddest phone releases we've ever seen; all leaks, no official information, no KitKat preview before the release, nothing.
[Nexus 5 General] :
Nothing constructive has been posted in this threat yet ...... lol
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
I agree its a strange way of releasing a device, but wasn't the nexus 4 released without an event? Maybe this all leaks idea is a new way of marketing it by word of mouth and expectation, if it is, its sure working xD
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
The N4 event in New York was cancelled due to inclement weather. But yes, it did get launched without an event all said and done.
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
Ah yes I remember now the hurricane. So maybe google having seen the success of the N4 without a release presentation maybe decided to go with a different approach.

Either way im adamant that the New York press conference on the 24th was a way of releasing the devices under NDAs
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
There is that thought, but also bear in mind that the new Nexus 7, chromecast and 4.3 got their own event just a few months ago. I imagine the Nexus 5, new N10 and 4.4 would warrant their own as well. They can really go either way but if they're doing an event, they're about out of time to announce it unless it's going to be a streaming event only.
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
I would have to agree there, if it is released this month with an event, then I have a strong feeling it will be a live stream, maybe even something over Google+ seeing as 4.4 has even deeper integration?
[Nexus 5 General] matteventu:
Guys, like the today's Google+ event, they can organize a "quick-event" also for N5/KK and announce it the day before :)
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
True enough, and Google may even prefer to do things this way because then they're going directly to their audience rather than speaking through the media/blogosphere. I have always enjoyed Google's live presentations; I got a CR-48 from one of them. ;)
[Nexus 5 General] LNJ:
Doubt an event would make a difference in sales. Everyone who already knows what the Nexus is are already aware that it will be available soon. Anyone that doesn't know what it is will probably not care and get whatever is subsidized by their carrier anyway!
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
I agree. Almost. Nexus is not just aimed at devs they sell a huge number to every day consumers. For example here in the UK the nexus 4 and 7 both got better ratings in many popular newspapers than the apple equivalents. I think Google know that their product is so good it doesn't need any of the extra marketing that apple does to sell its, lets face it, mediocre products by comparison (hardware wise)
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
The initial Nexus devices were meant to provide a pure Google experience, it just so happened that devs gravitated towards that as did some tech enthusiasts. I think we can safely say that the Gnex was the first Nexus device to really break out of a niche into the mainstream phone market AND find some success doing it. With the gradual popularity of the Gnex, Google started making its way to turning Nexus into a recognized name like Galaxy or Droid.

With the N4 coming out as a hit and Nexus 7 being a success, it's clear that Google is well on their way to succeeding. More and more people recognize Nexus as pure Google Experience devices. I too agree that Google knows they have a winning setup but the marketing part I kind of disagree with. Up until recently, I just don't think Google marketed them because they weren't entirely sure who exactly to market them to and in what way. Marketing is expensive, the tech industry is already familiar with Nexus, so it would almost be a waste. Now the Nexus 7 has commercials because Google is actively engaged in combating the iPad for tablet market share that undoubtedly Apple owns.

What's interesting is I was talking to someone on a forum and he talked about marketing the Nexus 5. If Google markets the Nexus 5, it would be the first time they've marketed one of their Nexus phones (to my knowledge). Additionally, they would risk taking sales from LG's G2 if they did. I imagine if they do market the N5 (which they probably should), they might wait a month or two for the G2 to cool down before they do.
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
I think that was the Nexus S. That was the first "Google" phone that was on display in carrier stories and at Best Buy if I remember correctly; it was certainly my first Nexus phone after ditching the EVO 4G.
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
It was the first to compete with mainstream, but why I emphasized AND was because the Nexus S wasn't nearly as embraced amidst the competition like the GNex was. People bought it, but not enough to call it a strong competitor, at least to my recollection. The Gnex was the first to really draw attention to the Nexus name, though also having Galaxy on it while the S3 was so popular served to create alot of confusion in the market.
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
LOOK YOU SON OF A....er, I mean, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

;) j/k bro; I think from your posts that you have a good sense of humor.

Yeah, I've never looked at the market penetration of either phone; I do know that the Nexus S was a relatively popular "cheap" phone at AT&T when it was finally released there (I had the Sprint version) but comparatively I have no idea really. I just remember that the Nexus S was the first that I recall being a cross-carrier Nexus phone that achieved any kind of real marketing or public displays (outside of a T-Mobile store).
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
Ahem...

*pushes up nerd glasses* Well see, cheap denotes low quality, I think you meant "inexpensive"...

lol

Anyway, think we're on the same page. I'm not staring at any sales figures spreadsheets here, just an off the cuff recall of observations I had around that time. Regardless, the market for Nexus has shifted and I'm pretty excited to see what El Goog plans on doing with it. Smartwatches, potential tv boxes (a la cable box replacement), game console, etc., etc. The rumors are many and knowing Google, probably true. I wouldn't put it past a company that's sending in mini-blimps to parts of Africa for dishing out wi-fi to try their hands at the cable box market or the emerging Ouya-style market (in a closed x-lab of course).

If Google can start branding Nexus well (not just make it known, but make it popular), it could really allow them to break into some pretty closed off markets (referencing again the cable box market dominated by Motorola, TiVo and Arris as an example). I've already got everything else in my life Google-ified and have no illusions that a cloud based life isn't necessarily a private one, so I say bring on more ways to interconnect me.

**ADDITIONAL STUFF**

Didn't seem right to make a whole new thread, but T-Mobile's website has free Sim cards right now with free 2-4 day shipping. For the life of me I haven't been able to get it to work when they were a dime yesterday (they're normally $10) or free today, so I'll take lessons learned from my two year old daughter and throw a fit in store till they give me one, but figured anyone who doesn't have one should hit up their site and get their free Sim card.
[Nexus 5 General] Johmama:
I don't know about those other markets. If they can do it, while maintaining an open environment (meaning one-line unlock bootloader, development-friendly, do-what-you-want-with-it view, etc.) that the Nexus line is known for, then I'm completely game and hope it happens. The problem is, I don't think they can penetrate those markets while keeping an open view. Anything that they make that interacts with any service or hardware that is made by someone else, they will be pressured to close it off due to concerns of piracy or using their hardware being used in a way that they didn't design it for. They could just come out with the device and have the other company deal with it, along the lines of the Nexus 7 deb and Verizon, I suppose.

I dunno. I think Google needs to be very careful if they start emerging into other markets with already-established players. They might need to play nice with companies that they don't want to. Or make concessions that they don't want to. If they start compromising on their open view, then I think they should remove the "Nexus" name from that hardware. It would just tarnish it. If they did, then I wouldn't care as much if they came out with new hardware in new markets and had to make a few compromises. And there's my two cents.
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
I would agree with this to a point, if Google do go down the route of marketing this for average consumers then to do need to be careful to keep to the nexus ideals of being very open, very simple and not locked down. You say they may be influenced by other existing company's such as Verizon, AT&T or others like LG, but honestly.. this is Google, the worlds second largest tech company, they are in the position to call all of the shots, if Verizon want the nexus it sure as hell wont be Google begging them to carry it. These other company's that you mention are miniscule compared to Google, even if they did have a disagreement im sure Google would just find a way to progress, without them.
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
More interesting leaks today, lots of new pictures, videos of the device and Taiwans FCC leaks. What do you guy think, Tomorrow or friday?:cowboy:
[Nexus 5 General] flameinthefire:
Video? can you post them here?
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
Video Leak

http://instagram.com/p/gGbpgKohlL/#

Taiwan FCC Leak

http://www.gsmarena.com/more_nexus_5_images_leak_sprint_version_also_confirmed-news-7092.php

Benchmark, Stock and in store Leaks

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/3...-way-of-blurry-cams-surfaces-again-and-again/

Canadian Carrier Leak

http://bgr.com/2013/10/29/nexus-5-specs-leak-again-please-launch-already/

:)
[Nexus 5 General] flameinthefire:
Awesome!! i can't wait to get my hands on this phone. Google announce the damn thing already jeez
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
I know right, especially the video leak. Makes me want the damn thing more than ever!
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
Well, bear in mind that Nexus doesn't equal open in any way shape or form. Nexus is a representation of the pure Google Experience. Google could close source the whole thing and a Nexus would still be the purest form of what Google wants its platform to be. That aside, despite what the ars technica article put forward in regards to Google's stranglehold on Android, Google has made and continues to make great strides forward in open sourcing many things. Lots of people think because something is open that it should also mean it's free, it generally does mean free but not always. The source behind Android is open but Google is able to close source some of their other pieces if they like, it is a business at the end of the day.

But back on to your point, if they try to emerge into some new markets, they'll surely have competition and contrary to what Oli pointed out, they won't necessarily have the push to make it. Google TV could have been major, but it flopped horribly, Google wasn't ready to dedicate the resources they needed to it, the platform was awkward at best which showed a lack of clear vision in development, and the living room is a pretty locked up room when it comes to new players trying to muscle in on the current ones. The point I made in my previous post (or at least didn't clearly make) was that I'm excited that Google is trying to see what they can come up with behind closed doors for those markets. The fact that they're thinking about it and making some quiet attempts to create something better is kind of cool, competition benefits everyone.

Anyway, the next few years should really be interesting as Google continues to bring everything it's doing under a tighter, easier to understand umbrella and integrate services.
[Nexus 5 General] manpildo:
This picture has appeared on Facebook. Judging by the quality it was probably made with a Nexus 4 :D

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=747087388638457&set=p.747087388638457&type=1
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
That image is a dummy phone taken in a store somewhere in the UK. Its on one of the sites in the list of recent leaks I posted earlier ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46951235&postcount=287
[Nexus 5 General] manpildo:
I'm sorry, what's a "dummy phone"?
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
Its one of those fake ones they sometimes have in phone stores (well they do in the UK) and they are basically the phones body with a fake image in the screen and no electronics inside.. don't ask why, personally ive never seen the use of them, they seem pointless. :laugh:
[Nexus 5 General] flameinthefire:
really? lol http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dummy+phone
[Nexus 5 General] ephumuris:
Display unit doesn't actually work and has a picture on the front not an actual screen.
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
It's basically an empty shell with a picture of the stock OS homescreen in-place of the LCD. You've probably seen them at your favorite phone reseller.

---------- Post added at 02:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:46 PM ----------

And that's why you only have 10 "thanks". ;)
[Nexus 5 General] 12078215:
Android Central saying they are expecting an announcement tomorrow with availability possibly on Friday:

http://www.androidcentral.com/nexus-5-leaks-all-over-place-ahead-anticipated-launch
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
Here is the instagram video as the one on the website no longer works :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFA4A2WHaTk
[Nexus 5 General] Makaijin:
Damn it sounds like he just dropped that N5 on his desk! :crying:
[Nexus 5 General] Rox598:
Looking at that first pic the settings menu looks the same looks like KK may not be something to shout about? apart from the per app colour we've seen personally I hope the notification try has been changed a little but I guess we'll see soon
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
I hope not :eek:

Most all of the rumors say either tomorrow or the day after, Im not sure we will be forced to wait much more :)
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ArtemRussakovskii/posts/ESmXSRmmyNi

As Artem is part of Android Police and they're usually pretty cautious about the rumormill, I feel more confident about him saying tomorrow than most. Still not gettting hopes set to certain, but feeling warm and fuzzy about it.
[Nexus 5 General] Johmama:
I'm going to have to disagree with you right here. As of today, the Nexus line is pretty synonymous with openness and freedom. If Google wanted to create of closed-off line of devices, then, as I pointed out in my last paragraph, they should rename that line because it's basically a whole new line of devices with entirely different goals and business ventures than what the Nexus line was created for. When you say Nexus is only for the pure Google Experience and not openness, my direct response would be that those are one and the same. Google develops Android, is in charge of the Android Open Source Project, and are one of the most external-developer-friendly and user-friendly companies in the world. If you doubt that they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart, then I'll just say they are an ad-based company and I'm sure they'll make their money off of you one way or another. You need to have a Google account to make use of their best features.

This is because if something is open, the source code is freely available. How are you going to charge someone for that? If you say it's "open", but you have to pay for it and promise not to share the source with anyone, it isn't really open. As for Google having closed source code, I agree with that they are a company. But the Nexus line is where they need to keep everything open. As I said, it's basically synonymous with openness, freedom, and pure Google.

Everything else, I agree with you on. I hope Google makes pushes to every market they can. They are one of the few companies I still have faith in and that haven't been classified as greedy, trollish, or downright scummy in my book. They actually innovate and do stuff for the greater good (Project Loon, Google Fiber, etc.) instead of purely to line their own pockets. I'm just wary with them using the Nexus name on products that aren't completely open for the end-user. They should use a different name if the hardware isn't open.
[Nexus 5 General] akhan47:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ArtemRussakovskii/posts/ESmXSRmmyNi

!!!
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
Now that is something.
[Nexus 5 General] manpildo:
Oh I see. Thank you chaps :highfive:
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
Yes this has made me very happy. Thanks for sharing. I will keep my hopes pretty contained but its beginning to look a lot like tomorrow :)

10AM PST is bout 6PM GMT, if anyone in the UK was wondering :)
[Nexus 5 General] akhan47:
Yep! Also, that Yusuf Islam dude (http://cs417831.vk.me/v417831386/9d53/BdEF3MQNmyM.jpg) said 'FIRST' as did Evleaks. So 1st Nov is looking more and more likely...
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
You bring up good points, I simply see it a little differently. Respecting your opinion and my own, we'll agree to disagree. I truly hope that Android remains open and agree that it should, realistically I can't see them closing it at this point. Ya never know though, eventually leaders change and it can drastically alter a company and how they do business. When Nexus began, it was 100% what you say, a representation of openness, I just think it has started on a path to being a Google series brand like Galaxy for Samsung. Regardless, not saying you're wrong, just think we're at a nexus (see what I did there ;P) in the Nexus line and time will tell.
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
31st or 1st.. who cares really. I mean we have waited this long so a day wont kill us ;)

Just ordered a case, wireless QI charger and a few nfc tags in anticipation. :3
[Nexus 5 General] Johmama:
I agree with you that Google is moving more towards a brand name with the Nexus. Just look at the commercials for the Nexus 7. I wonder if they'll advertise the Nexus 5 at all. If Nexus does become a huge brand name, I just hope they don't lose sight of what makes it so awesome....
[Nexus 5 General] jayr04:
Speak for yourself :laugh:
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
*attempts David Caruso sunglass moment* Maybe...but it has some killer features.

*Cue intro music*
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
Please ignore me.. im an idiot..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KapBH-Tx8Ww
[Nexus 5 General] filthygoat223996:
Old news
[Nexus 5 General] -A-P-M-:
That video was already posted about 2 weeks ago..
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
Also
[Nexus 5 General] trsix:
hurry up n wait

11/13/2013
[Nexus 5 General] Rox598:
Yeah this was out a while back still seeing "keylimepie" I go whaaaa lol
[Nexus 5 General] AdamUpNorth:
Thanks Watcher. That made me laugh out loud.
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
lol, well I do what I can.

Seriously, there's just about every type of Nexus 5 obsessor (don't know if that's a real word, but it is now) out there either trashing the hypebeasters, hypebeasting it, countering leaks, etc., etc. so why not have some fun?

At this point, with everything so painfully close, I figure it's time to cut loose and just enjoy the run to home since third base is behind us.
[Nexus 5 General] RobinD42:
They've already done that with a little division called Motorola. ;)
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
Great point! Didn't really think of it that way.
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
Another great point. I wonder why we aren't seeing a Motorola Nexus 5? Anyone have any ideas?
[Nexus 5 General] ChazzMatt:
Because Google doesn't trust Motorola yet to put out flagship phones as good as the G2.

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Sent from my Galaxy Nexus i9250
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
A good point but wasn't the Moto X a massive sucess? And with Google holding the reigns surely Motorola couldn't have done a bad job?
[Nexus 5 General] ryude:
Moto X was a flop, they've cut the price $100 and there is already talk of another $100 price cut soon. 3 local best buys and several AT&T stores told me that they haven't sold more than a few.
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
That's really odd then. Because from the coverage we've seen in the UK they look much more sucessful than that. Strange. :/
[Nexus 5 General] ryude:
Americans like things big. Big TVs, big smartphones (Note 3 #1 seller right now), big cars, big meals, big everything!
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
Thank you for explaining that so well. I was simply asking questions. I never followed the story for the Moto x very closely or the Nexus 5 because up untill recently I was sold on the G2. And I completely agree with you. I see now how truly awful the Moto X is in comparison. :cool:
[Nexus 5 General] GHII:
Ah but how wrong you are...After buying a Moto X at release, I used it until the G2 release, bought one of those and used it for almost a month before sending back to get a N5. Right now Im back using my Moto X in the interim and I am blown away by how fast it feels, it feels faster than the G2 and I was running CleanRom on the G2. Last years specs maybe, but its smooth as crap.
[Nexus 5 General] ChazzMatt:
I have a 2011 gen3 dual core Galaxy Nexus 4.65" 720p. Actually have two of them, as my wife uses one. In late 2013, I am NOT buying a 4.7" 720p phone, just like I'm never buying a crappy 4.0", 640p iPhone.

If Motorola had made a 5", 1080p phone with that alleged smoothness it would have been a winner. Instead its a loser -- especially at the price point it was released.

This week the Moto X prices have been cut as reality sets in. On contract is now $100, off contract is still too-high $479.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/25/hello-moto-discount-moto-x-drops-to-100-on-contract/
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
Yes, having looked in to this more now I completely agree. The Moto X would have been a very nice device had it been at an acceptable price point. Charging high end money for a less than high end phone is just a rip off.
[Nexus 5 General] :
Maybe tomorrow? Lol
[Nexus 5 General] MaxCarnage:
It's not 8am PST yet...patience young one.
[Nexus 5 General] :
I'm getting an N4 anyway. ;)
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
I had completely the opposite opinion. I used both for a few hours and found the G2 way smoother. I am glad I went with the G2 too as the battery life slaughters the Moto X. This was stock of course, the G2 is even faster with PA/CleanRom but I never tried any roms on the Moto-X.
[Nexus 5 General] uberNoobZA:
What do you mean maybe tomorrow? Didn't you hear? An EE representative said 28th, and it was confirmed by other EE representatives. In fact, they phones are already out off stock.

Sorry but I just couldn't resist one last dig :D
[Nexus 5 General] Vortex1969:
OK today is trick or treat so who wants to goto Google headquarter with eggs in hand..:D:p:D

Pure speed under the hood PSX
[Nexus 5 General] Oli1122:
And as we saw the 28th was completely correct. I asked when they had the nexus 5. As has been proven the nexus 5 was shipped to suppliers on the 28th.. just saying.
[Nexus 5 General] lowtje:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/31/the-nexus-5-and-kitkat-launch-today-october-31st/

Today guys!!!
[Nexus 5 General] gulina:
You're so awesome
[Nexus 5 General] flameinthefire:
Another source that says today!

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/3...es-of-nexus-5-provides-kit-kat-details-in-qa/
[Nexus 5 General] sibaroochi:
Nexus 5 announcement

Looks like the LG Nexus 5 is set to arrive today at 11am PST. It's all rumours but reports are starting to trickle out: http://bit.ly/Nexus5Announcement
[Nexus 5 General] Ylofromspace:
finally guys , it's happening ;)