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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sonkameja:
Im in your shoes since buying this locked boring phone 6 months ago ...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
38 pages long. How's the petition going? Lol...did anyone really think vz would give in???
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mvlamberti:
No I really don't think Verizon will give in, but I'll try anything! I'm hoping one day I'll wake up and see a post on an Android site saying the bootloader's been fully unlocked... though I probably shouldn't hold my breath.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jstinger9489:
Anybody know how to get in touch with Anonymous? Bet Verizon and AT&T would listen if "Unlock Your Bootloaders!" kept flashing across their screens whenever they tried to make a sale... Just a thought.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Stryke_the_Orc:
I'm pretty sure that the group "Anonymous" has far more pressing concerns than a locked bootloader... Just a thought[emoji6]

Slithering from the nether regions of a twisted mind and tarnished soul
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TheLoonyRebel:
Let me quote what was written several pages back in regards to Verizon listening to us on this....

I hate it but it's the truth. :crying:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Mining_rocks:
Too narrow

I feel that a broader petition would be more effectual.

We could get alot more people if it wasn't a petition about this specific phone, but instead Verizon's bootloaders in general. Additionally, that way, the petition wouldn't appear to be from only a small subset of their customer base.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SeanPlunk:
Signed. Thanks for setting this up. Regardless of whether or not it works, it's definitely worth a shot :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
Believe me we'll get lucky if they pull one out for us. I think going big isn't the way to go for a wide variety of devices. Verizon would feel to overwhelmed imo.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
Wow 35 signatures in 3 hours!!!! Great job guys!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] dohturdima:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jon_oest:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] noesilva:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Legato Bluesummers:
Signed

Sent from my GlaDos Baked Potato
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] yungmulauh:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] paulsg63:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] harosxcomp170:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] airmaxx23:
Signed...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] millerd79:
And singed...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SIGHTFIRE:
Signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Milly7:
Signed last night. Good idea.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jzarfos:
Definitely signed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] motogeorge:
petition Sign Hope this works
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Signed. Im number 76
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
Seiously? LMAO...ok, vz will unlock the BL because of this.:good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
That's really negative . Even if it doesn't go anywhere, at least there is some sense of community. There is no reason for the sarcasm that may belittle our fellow members' efforts. :mad:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] clintonroche:
You guys really should buy an Developer Edition of you want unlocked.

Sent from my Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mvlamberti:
Sorry, not all of us have $700 to burn. I've been contemplating taking this phone back and going back to my S3 with CM11, but a part of me thinks that maybe someone will figure out the bootloader.

Of course, there's that small part that wonders if anyone is actually trying to work it out and hasn't just given up.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] clintonroche:
You can use an upgrade and they all it new in box and is that money towards a DevEd phone. It wouldn't cost $700 then.

Sent from my Note 3

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I am just saying, since they offer an unlocked product I find it doubtful that they will ever unlock the consumer edition.

Sent from my Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Stryke_the_Orc:
This thread doesn't pertain to the developer edition device, it pertains to the unsavory practice of locking a conventionally free software behind a proprietary bootloader forcing you to pay more to remove said locks. Please just leave it at that and do not push purchasing a more expensive device for a functionality that ultimately should be included stock. This is a Linux based operating system, not Microsoft...

Slithering from the nether regions of a twisted mind and tarnished soul
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] clintonroche:
Yes sir.

One last thing, it really doesn't cost that much more. :)

I won't bug you guys any more. Just trying to help you figure out how to get an unlocked bootloader which is what you are trying to achieve.

Sent from my Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] lostintelligence:
Politicians, lawyers and most importantly consumer ACTION work much better than petitions.

I hope to see Verizon continue to lose subscribers simply so that maybe, just maybe, they'll put consumers on level ground with investors and shareholders.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rjacosta:
Still no luck. I believe hasbar may have something in the works. Not to actually unlock but possible work around
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] JStrem:
According to Verizon, once you own the phone the phone is automatically unlocked and yours to do as with as you please. Its in their policy, Although, I've yet to see this for any related Verizon phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] donc113:
That's the SPL or service provider lock and on older phones...Verizon will provide on request. Newer phones use a SIM lock...however, the Verizon Note 3 has never been SIM locked. And finally the boot loader lock is a security feature of linux based phones (supposedly) and can not be removed by a code from newer phones. Exploits were found for older phones and in some cases, removing the boot loader lock invalidated your warranty. Verizon will not remove boot loader locks period.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mirrin:
Samsung might all it would take is a signed unlocked bootloader like the dev units that is one of the reasons the dev units are not getting updates since the hardware is identical.

I bet the coders know if the update files for a dev unit to load an updated bootloader some one would figure out how to get it to load on a retail phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Dravekx:
I spoke with a Verizon rep. Accoding to them, the bootl9ader is locked by Samsung, not Verizon. Here's what he had to say:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] martyh1:
I'm currently on the Samsung Insights program. Ends end of March. I'm not on contract either. So both Verizon and Samsung lose a customer in me when I can sell this Note 3. Its a shame. I like the phone but I'm use to being able to root and load what I want. I still have my note 2 that runs fantastic on a custom ROM. I'm eyeing the HTC One M8 on Sprint (since they have an unlimited data plan and cheaper service). And I believe the M8 on Sprint is pretty simple to root. Things change quickly, so by then, who knows what I'll actually get.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mirrin:
That's nice. Here is some reality att and verizon requested samsung lock the bootloader verizon and att are the only ones with locked bootloaders. They flat out told manufacturers they would not carry the phones with unlocked bootloader. It is due to Google strong arming them they even allowed nexus line phones on the network.

But yes samsung could do an end run around verizon and release an unlock tool like htc did.

I'm curious about how sprint phones have engineering bootloaders and stock ones and why if such things exist why they don't work on other carrier models.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rdar_93:
Bad news guys
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Big Dawg 23:
The Carriers and Samsung will just play the blame the other one game to look like they aren't the bad guys.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rdar_93:
That's the thing, let's not blame either of them. Lets just hope that one day in the near future, we're able to unlock the bootloader.

Samsung has the resources to make it happen, but I don't think they'll revisit a device that's about to be 2 years old just to help out a thousand people while they could be selling millions of phones.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] donc113:
Easy....an eFuse could be a locked/unlocked indicator (just like the knox warranty eFuse)....if the eFuse is "blown" the device is locked. And cannot be unlocked.

That is a guess...but I have seen comments here that if you take a developer edition and use Odin to flash a stock release...you will no longer have a developer edition and can not undo that.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] vazersecurity:
I have the exact thought. Let me know how the M8 is.

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I have been having the exact thought. Let me know how that works for 'ya.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TheLoonyRebel:
I would also check out the LG G3 as well. It's a little tricker to root but once you get it rooted and TWRP installed you can install pretty much any ROM and kernel including AOSP stuff. It's a dang good device too. Well worth checking out. The biggest benefit the HTC One M8 has is the front facing speakers but beyond that the G3 is a better device overall (faster processor, more RAM).
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] martyh1:
The LG G3 was definitely on my radar. I'm really leaning toward something that feels great in my hand. The original moto x (2013) use to be that for me. Its really hard to find something with the right fit now. Surprisingly, the S5 fits nicely in my hand (and has a really nice textured back cover) but I probably won't go with Samsung again. I probably should have never sold my Nexus 5. That was a pretty darn good fit, extremely fast (fastest phone I've ever had), and could easily be rooted/customized.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] krazy_smokezalot:
G3 I have that it's my baby??
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rdar_93:
I'm just wondering... What would happen if you flash the DevEd files to your retail version?

I'm guessing a brick, but could you recover your retail device?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mirrin:
Actually I seem to remember it does not even get far enough to brick it gets stopped by a check of some sort.

I do know if you flash retail to dev the dev unit turns into a retail.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rdar_93:
I've seen that an update caused a guy's DevEd to become a retail too. A pushed 4.4.4 from Verizon. I'm not sure on how true it is though.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] donc113:
It not only makes a dev edition become a retail version....you can't go back.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rdar_93:
We should riot until they unlock our bootloaders lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mirrin:
The dev units at the very least should get a tool. If verizon pushed an update to my dev unit turning it into a retail unit I would have the c service managers ass in a sling. And they would be sending me a new dev unit to replace the one they broke. With the dev units it should not be possible for the retail bootloader to be loaded or it should recognize the hardware dev bit and then unlock itself but no the dev units are an after thought made to placate the people crying about the locked bootloader and then they get treated like lepers by both Samsung and Verizon in that you may never get updated bootloader to run kit Kat or lollipop. You will have to make the old jellybean bootloader run the newer roms.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Kellic:
I ended up getting a Nexus 6 off Motorola's store. Complete vanilla Android. No lock bootloader. Frak Verizon and frak Samsung. Never again will I buy their hardware and never again will I buy a phone through Verizon. I'm sitting here with a doorstop of a Note III because I refuse to upgrade beyond Android 4.3 due to the horsecrap battery life issues in Stock Android post 4.3. I say doorstop because there are some Android Wear apps that won't install on 4.3. So yah. My previous phone was a Galaxy S3. They got lucky enough to find a work around for the bootloader. Not so much this time, and I refuse to gamble going forward. Unencrypted bootloader out of the gate or GTFO.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mirrin:
If your on 4.3 you got root and the ability to go up to nc2 4.4.2 then with safe strap load a nc4 base rom. Also I don't remember 4.3 being all that much better with battery life on mine.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] martyh1:
Got the M8 (off ebay; got lucky in that it was cheap and in great shape). Updated OTA to stock 5.01 lollipop. Have a slim "grip" case on order (back really is slippery in your hand). Rooting it was fairly simple. Love it. I might wait on trying any custom ROMs as it is already pretty darn fast running stock 5.01 lollipop with sense 6 (I tend to run Nova with "faster than lightning" animation settings anyway). I can't use the m8 as my primary phone just yet due to requirements for the Samsung insight program, so still using my Note 3. But that program ends in 3 short weeks for me!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] amebiasis:
Just curious what is the Insight program I've seen it mentioned a couple of other times just curious. Thanks!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] martyh1:
The Samsung insights program is a program where they offered some customers a galaxy note 3 to use for 6 months and then it was theirs to keep. You had to allow samsung to monitor your apps usage and other things by installing a program that does the monitoring for them. They didn't monitor personal data.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] amebiasis:
Hey thanks I wound up looking into it and signed up and got accepted and now need a referral. Do you know about how to get that? Thanks for answering me earlier
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] martyh1:
sorry, I don't. I didn't need to do that when they accepted me in the program.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Naemion:
How do you sign up for the program? Very interested
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hoffeva:
Petition Closed

I tried to click the link to the petition but it says that it is closed??
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] recDNA:
The ship has sailed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] pitbull8265:
well....

If something like this were to work, it would be because there were MULTIPLE Petitions, all bombarding Verizon.. What are 1000 signatures, when there are hundreds of thousands out there using their hardware???
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] JStrem:
I updated OTA lollipop 5.0 this morning on my SM-N900V. They've opened the bootloader, it seems? It's available through Recovery. There's an option to boot to it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] vazersecurity:
Doubtful.. But try and flash a custom recovery...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xm41907:
If it is opened, would that mean root is possible?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] vazersecurity:
Most certainly, installation through a custom recovery. Or if this site has what they claim to have, then this is another way to do it. The only way to root the current device I have (HTC One M8 (Verizon)) is to flash the update zip from Chainfire's SuperSU via custom recovery. But if you can't unlock the bootloader, which you currently can't, waiting on SunShine to update their stuff, then you can't root. Another way is if someone finds an exploit for either device.

LOLLIPOP:

Lollipop in my opinion isn't all it is cracked up to be. Sure, it is the biggest overhall since ICS, but it is making root harder to obtain. SEAndroid is becoming a major pain. Most root exploits have been patched. Towelroot was a major play in The Galaxy Note 3's root capabilities. Not even temp root can be obtained. Especially when accepting official updates (specifically from VZW and AT&T) it patches "all" root possibilities without an unlocked bootloader.

BACK ON TOPIC:

You should most certainly be able to root Verizon Note 3 Lollipop with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery installed.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] JStrem:
Screenshot of the recovery after Verizon Note 3 OTA lollipop update. See the "reboot to bootloader" option?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xm41907:
If it is unlocked, then how do you install recovery without already being rooted? I fear that those unrootables on 4.4.4 will remain unrootable, after upgrading to 5.0, while those already rooted will benefit from the potentially unlocked bootloader.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] vazersecurity:
You would have to flash it via Odin. If the bootloader is unlocked, the recovery will be accepted by the bootloader, instead of being rejected by a locked bootloader. It is highly unlikely that the bootloader has been unlocked by Verizon. The recovery would have to be written for the Verizon Note 3, which I don't believe there is yet since this has been discovered very recently and no one has taken the time to write one up.

This does not necessarily mean that the bootloader has been unlocked. If you try and flash a recovery via Odin, then you will find out there whether or not it has been unlocked, but like I said, it is highly unlikely.

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FLASH CUSTOM RECOVERY WITHOUT ODIN -- CMWiki // Heimdall // CWM HLTEVZW

Follow instructions to install recovery. You will most likely run into some sort of error.

BE AWARE There have been no tests on this. There is no stock recovery available at this time. You have to take full responsibility for your own actions. If it does successfully flash, it will most likely tell you that there is unauthorized software running on your device. There is not a way to fix this at the moment and the recovery will be unusable if flash succeeds and bootloader is unlocked restricting non SE Android recoveries.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] caifan:
The bootloader is not unlocked...this has also been reported in the Note 4 forum after their LP update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] vazersecurity:
Why the random change I wonder...?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] CovXX:
I hate that the only reason you bashing the lollipop update is due to security, if you want a device that is open then don't buy from Verizon but don't bash Google for making a tough OS, I rather have a safe phone then one open to vulns.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] vazersecurity:
You do have a point.. But it's not what I meant to imply. Google is of course in the right. It's Verizon I don't agree with and I think most people would disagree along side me. The current company I am with prevents me from leaving Verizon. And I blame Verizon for not allowing us to gain root because of their blocking of HTCDev unlocking. Instead we have to use SunShine (which is no issue, accept for the fact that it doesn't currently work with the 5.0.1 OTA) but makes it more difficult. And I also agree with you on the secure android part about no vulns, but only to a point. I mainly worry about unauthorized remote access to my device. Others I am sure to catch. And most I have to authorize or its because I, myself, am trying to break into MY OWN PHONE.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] CovXX:
From a biz standing point it makes sense, think about it like this say Verizon opened up all their android phones now customers can do anything to their phones. Now you have people breaking them and calling Verizon for help and getting angry because their phone doesn't work. That's the only reason, not because they want us to suffer but they're protecting customers from them selves
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] vazersecurity:
I see what you are also saying. I understand that, but everyone still hates Verizon for that very reason... you can't unlock their phones. When the manufacturer provides a way to do it, why would it be a bad thing? Most of us are developers / testers / experienced users anyway. There will be those people that will softbrick their phones and call Verizon or HTC, but that's always going to happen, even on a non-rooted unlocked phone is going to have problems, it is always going to happen; people will always call. If those people want help, they should come here, not Verizon. By blocking HTCDev and root, they reduce that number of calls, yes, but l think it would only increase a little bit. Look at T-Mobile, or Sprint, their phones are unlockable, we should ask them how many calls they get from people that have broken their phones because they are playing around with the firmware and flashing ROMs. With S-OFF, you can do almost anything to your device, it is way easy to get out of a bad situation than with a locked phone. You feel?

EDIT:

Sorry about mentioning S-OFF, I forgot I was in the Note 3 forums.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Waterickson:
Verizon just seems to tolerate me

I have been using over 15g and was at 22gigs last month on my unlimited plan. Of course all my Service Mode settings are tweeked. Even with 1 bar and VPN I can still watch Netflix. I agree Verizon sucks. They think I suck. I pay my bill. They honor the contract. (The FCC might have something to do with that!) Typically I get a willing Verizon tech when I can't fix it from XDA info. Of course I do have to put on my skirt and cry like a little girl. They can't see me. I hope!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] JStrem:
51,000 people plus this...and we're still locked
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Waterickson:
I hear that we are a minority terrorizing the majority. Happens all the time to me. I make decisions based on the Rules. I keep my word and obey the Rules. I avoid the wolves and sheep herder. They change the Rules. The sheep follow. They think that we are bad sheep. They are wrong. We aren't sheep.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hboutannoura:
is closed

is closed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Alkahli:
I don't gat it can somebody explain with a simple words!!!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Waterickson:
Sheep = iOS
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Alkahli:
I it is possible to unlock the bootloader.How it can be rooted in China !!!!!!

I know a guy who change the language it means he have a way to root the note 3 Verizon and I have a friennd how have a rooted note 3 sm-n900v 4.4.4 .But he get it from China so they can root it in China . So why there is nobody can do it here in xda or just try to figure the method to do so.

Note: he change the language for the note 3 that it is not built in with the system.

Plz somebody findout a way.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] kclive:
Ask him how he did it then.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] donc113:
Simple words: VERIZON NOTE 3's can NOT be rooted because Samsung and Verizon has locked them to prevent that.

Period
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Alkahli:
The matter is that they can change the language to a language that it is not built in verizon phones as the image below, by customizing the system.img and flashing it using super user privileges. So either they unlock the boot loader or root the device in somehow.

I think they use this command to flash the system file.

>adb shell

>su

#Dd if=/sdcard/system.img of=/dev/block/mmcdlk0p16

Any one have an idea!!!!!

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He won't tell me because he own a phone shop.

So he change the phone language for 15$.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Waterickson:
Tell the Bozo there is a bounty.