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[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
oltp:

No, I'm the moron. There is something very broken in the setup application and I recommend people resort to registry editing if they can possibly do that.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
Fixed it with my regdump from yesterday :-)

well it's not a big problem to me, can't speak for others
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
Yes, as far as I understand WM5 does provide push email, but you have to be receiving your email through an Exchange server. If you are, it's free. If not, you'll either have to buy a license (about $1000, I think) and host it on a machine somewhere (probably about $30-40 a month) or move your email to one of the 'public' Exchange servers (still costing in the range of $20 a month). So not cheap and definitely not free :(.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] MMaster23:
Bit OT and more FYI:

There IS push mail in Windows Mobile 2003 and 2003 SE but not in the way WM5 does it. You'll need Exchange 2003 SP2 for it (like the WM5 version) and your operator has to support a certain protocol.

More info on it:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/2003/sp2mobility.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/2003/autd.mspx

They call it Always Up to Date Notifications (AUTD).

Ps. I won't be using your program but I think it's great to see some freeware alternatives! Thanks
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] k_kirk:
Geoff, thanks for your kind explanation! I am sold!!! When do you think you'll be able to support WM5? Additionally is it possible to support mailboxes? Today I have 2 mailboxes I keep separate and poll regularly. It would be a great time saver to implement your solution for both. Best Regards
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] cychiam:
Unable to send email

I have created another account using the steps you described. Able to successfully pull the emails from IMAP fastmail.fm server. However, unable to send because there isn't an account item (vgsmail) under the account drop-down list box for me to choose in the "NEW" email window.

Any idea what went wrong?

Anyway, good effort and idea.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
cychiam:

The transport currently does not support sending, although I am testing a version which does. Expect it to be released within the next couple of days. I will post here.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
k_kirk:

I imagine it is a pretty easy step to support WM5, but I need to get myself a phone first. I'm waiting for my back-ordered M600 to turn up and as soon as it does I'll see what it will involve.

Support for multiple mailboxes is coming very soon. It's just a matter of designing the UI.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
All:

Please post your experiences. I'm looking to improve and continue to develop this application.

Judging by the number of downloads there must be plenty of people out there who are either using this (in which case it would be great to hear any complaints and problems) or not using it (in which case it would be useful to know why not).
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] heretic:
Hi, Geoff!

I have installed your transport and created a fastmail account. All I can say - it works. There are a couple of issues, though. First of all, there's a known "new email" issue. Can live with that. Another thing is, as it seems, your software does not have a proper international code page support. I use your transport to push Gmail to my device via the fastmail mailbox. I am Russian, so I do write some Russian emails ;) And that's usually a KOI8-R codepage or a Windows CP-1251 codepage. Well, when I send a test message in Russian, the text in it becomes garbled when I finally receive it on my Magician, rendering it totally unreadable. For instance, like that: =?KOI8-R?B?9MXT1A==?= (subject) and 8NLP18XSy8E= (body). On both Gmail and fastmail ends everything is fine (I check via web interface). I also happen to have Smartner solution installed. It is provided by my employer for us to be able to get corporate email (IBM Lotus Notes) on the go. Well, Smartner Always-on mail doesn't have the codepage issue.

I hope you'll have a chance to look into it and fix the issue with copepages. I am gettin addicted to your software. ;)
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
heretic:

Thanks for that. I am currently ignoring the mime headers which would explain the problem. But I will add a specific bug report for the codepage issue. Can you possibly send a 'russian' email (anything you like) to ppcbugs@vgsmail.com and then have an example of the problem?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] heretic:
Done.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
I just posted a new version on the website (http://www.vgsmail.com/ppc/) which includes (amongst other minor, and probably invisible fixes) a fix for the spurious and often unnecessary 'new email' notifications.

There is no need to update the 'transport'; just 'shutdown' the client control panel and re-run the client installer.

Geoff.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] heretic:
Hi, Geoff!

Looks like you overdid it with the new version... :) Followed your installation instructions, but after installing a new version I still get notified of new mail every time I connect, but now messages don't show up in the mailbox.

Hope this bug report was helpful. Or am I doing something wrong?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] herman3101:
exact same problem

if your doing something wrong then so am i. came on to describe the exact same problem but you've done it for me :D. i like the new notification style, seemed different to me in a good way. but the fairly significant problem is the lack of emails showing up in the inbox.

no doubt you're already working on this.

Said it before and I'll say it again, your effort in developing this utility is much appreciated. I just can't believe that this hasn't been implemented before
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
Yes, I've done something wrong. Just not sure what. It seems like there is something weird with the MAPI interface. Expect a fix sometime tomorrow. :(
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
There is now a new release which should fix the bug disappearing email bug with the previous version.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] ghastings:
Hi Geoffrey,

I have just tried to use your program on my WM2003SE pocket pc and I get the following error:

Loaded local mailbox

Client State = NON_AUTHENTICATED

Log in command timed out

Delaying next connect....

and it appears not to connect. I can use IMAP ok from MS Outlook and also from Pocket Outlook. The client is connecting to a Exchange 2003 IMAP server.

I am using

client dated 24/11/2005

transport dated 28/11/2005.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Gareth
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
ghastings:

Can you start up the client, and (before it starts to connect) select 'options->start logging'. Then in the root directory on your phone you will have a log file called vgs_log.txt. Please email that to ppcbugs@vgsmail.com.

NOTE: THE LOG FILE MIGHT CONTAIN THE USERID AND PASSWORD TO YOUR EMAIL ACCOUNT. I will not use this information in any way and will destroy it as soon as I have diagnosed the problem. But if this worries you, please change the password temporarily on your email account before sending me the debugging information.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] sekatern:
Have a mobile operator which provides SMS-notification, when new mail received on my email box. It comes to Pocket PC (Wallaby) and I would like it to connect to the POP3 account to download mail from it.

Microsoft suggested the following solution: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnppcgen/html/callevents.asp

I don't know C++, neither have the SDK installed... Maybe somebody can suggest the solution? This is a kind of push-mail, done in alternative way...
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] Koksie:
I use Pop3 mail only, is there any chance that you can add pop3 support to this app ( I have no idea of the differences between pop3 and IMAP, so please be kind if I ask a really stupid thing...)
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] heretic:
Are you planning to work on MIME headers any time soon? This is at the top of my wishlist for now...

Not being able to read messages is kinda inconvenient... :roll: :lol:
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
moron

Geoff,

I wouldn't dare to cal the developer of vgsmail a 'moron', much to happy with the program. I consider myself still as beta-tester in this.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
still not receiving the full message although attachments work!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] URPREY:
Still using the version posted Friday - no issues over the weekend! I can manually select to download full message, but would love an option to automatically download entire message if possible. Thanks!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
paulg1981:

Are you saying that you cannot download the message body even if you go to pOutlook and select 'mark for download'?

URPREY:

There is now that option (I didn't post here, although the change log gives details of small changes like that) although you will need to get yourself a registry editor until I have had a another look at syncing the Outlook settings with the vgsmail client settings.

The registry key 'InitialDownload' (DWORD) should be set to 0 to download the headers only by default, >0 to download a portion of the body by default and -1 (or 4294967295) to download the entire message by default.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] URPREY:
Thanks! I created the new DWORD and set it to 50. Should be fine for my needs. I appreciate the quick response.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
OK, here is what we are seeing on our WM2003SE test unit:

1) Still CANNOT send under any circumstances. Tried multiple SMTP servers. ALL of them work with standard transports NONE work with vgsmail.

2) Cannot download ANY attachments from ANY senders although message body download DOES seems to work!

I'm with URPREY, would like to see option to download entire message or selected amount so that reading mail is not a two step process. Just the headers are not enough.

3) *** Registry and MAPI database out of sync errors with setup application. Our test unit is dead in the water after this error, vgsmail account vanished from pOutlook and we can no longer run control program (Could Not Open MAPI Interface Error)!!!

4) Overall speed seem to have improved slightly when it worked. Our test unit appeared to be not as sluggish.

Cannot due any further testing at this point, will try to reload last version. Made some progress.....
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
I think you want 50000. Otherwise you're going to get the first 50 bytes. :shock:
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
FWIW, I am testing everything on WM5 (XDA Atom) and WM2003SE (imate Jam) and both work. I've got a feeling a number of other people are using WM2003SE here as it IS hosted under the Magician section.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
oops, I see the message size selection is already underway. Please let us know how to fix our database errors so we can continue testing.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
At the moment the only way of fixing your database problems are

1) close vgsmail control

2) in pOutlook, delete the profile associated with vgsmail

3) close pOutlook

4) delete the entire registry tree under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\VGS

5) soft reset

6) reinstall the profile in pOutlook
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
OK, we will give it a try then wait for a new setup application so we don't have to edit the registry. Any idea why none of our attachments load, the bodies loaded this time? Also any luck addressing the sending issues, we had no luck before the database errors?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
Does the option to download the entire message also download the attachments? Although we have not been successful downloading any attachments.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
I still believe that the sending issues have something to do with your setup as the log files look completely normal. And with that in mind, I wonder whether the attachments issue is also related. As always, without a log I cannot do anything.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] jami1:
ok now this is wierd. it was working yesterday, now today I let it run, and leave the connection up. As I was on the computer I decided to check my emails on the computer. I have a webmail interface that connects to the web server.

As I read emails the pockpc drops connection and a messages comes up the IMAP Idle not supported by server. It was working yesterday but now doesn't seem tobe working.

This would have been a nice birthday present for me if I would have gotten it to work. I will continue testing it. Is it that my server just doensn't support it or it is possible that there is another problem?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
jami1:

Happy Birthday.

I wonder if the problem is that your IMAP server is only allowing one connection at a time. So when you log on from the web interface your server is dumping the idle session on vgsmail. I have seen this before. If this is the case, I cannot really recommend anything other than getting a new mail provider :(.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] cseilern:
@geoffreycross

wow - i see that alsmot all the user request (wm5, attachement, sending, etc...) have been addressed in the multiple releases in just a few short weeks! will you also enable a feature to control how much vgsmail actually synchronises with the imap server (last 100 messages, last month of messages, etc...)? I have a huge inbox and dont want a mirror of it on my ppc. Also: how are subfolders handled by vgsmail?

Thanks.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] jami1:
Wow I didn't think of that and that is probably what is happening. However when I get on my personal computer and do a pop3 send recieve ( its a pop3 server originally, using linux) the emails from the pocket pc dissapear because they are taken off the server. I wish there was something else I could have done as I am stuck with this provider for another year.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
appreciate the quick reply. After installation of the new version and before the database crash, the message bodies started downloading so I would think this had to do with the changes in the new client. Same setup as before. Seems like several others are experiencing sending issues as well. Cannot explain why attachments don't download?

Looking forward to a new version of the setup program as well as the next release to address these issues.

Your progress is amazing and we do appreciate the opportunity to beta test this exciting application!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
uploading a copy of sent messages to the sent folder would be great. This is an option that Chatter has had for a while and we depend on it to keep just our inbox and sent exchange mail in sync accross our desktop and devices. How difficult or easy would this be to include?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
My mistake I thought that the account settings in pocket outlook would be the way to download the entire message. Tried queing it and worked like a charm!

One last question do you you have any comment about sending with or without the mailbox open? I have had trouble reliable getting mail to send when I turn my device off and exit the mail app but also inconsistent with it on and mailbox closed>
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] URPREY:
That's what I meant - sorry :)

I created the DWORD value under my vgsmail profile set to 50000 and soft reset, but it's still only retrieving 2k. Am I doing something wrong?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
URPREY:

Sorry, I'm stupid twice in one day. The InitialDownload feature is implemented and in my personal release but I haven't released it onto the website yet. Expect it to appear in the next release; you'll be all set up so it will just start working.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] URPREY:
No worries. Thanks for all your work on this.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] opergvh:
This program rocks!

Used this during a few days, and this is really what I was looking for. Great!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
Ok, I have just released a new version of the transport and client.

The minor differences are:

- InitialDownload registry setting as described in my previous post.

- ExpungeOnDelete registry setting. Set to 0 (default) and messages will be 'marked for deletion' on the server but will not actually be expunged. Set to 1 and messages will completely disappear from the server when you delete them. This latter setting is for exchange servers which do not seem to support the 'deleted' IMAP flag correctly.

Neither of these settings are available through the UI yet and so you you will need a registry editor to get access to them. Expect the 'vgsmail setup' application to include these settings some time soon.

And a major difference:

I have decided that it is too difficult to try to coordinate all the settings with pOutlook directly and so from now on the 'vgsmail setup' application is the only supported method of changing settings.

1) When you first install vgsmail you should now create your new profile with this application.

2) If you have installed vgsmail at some point before this most recent release (20060124101300) you must move your profile before you can run 'vgsmail setup' (if you don't want to change any settings you can put this off until some later point). This process is a bit cumbersome (and might differ slightly for some users) but it only needs to be done once and only for current users:

i) close down the vgsmail client

ii) delete the profile you have setup in pOutlook

iii) close the inbox (if necessary go to Settings -> Memory -> Running programs) to check that it isn't still running

iv) uninstall the vgsmail client

v) uninstall the vgsmail transport

vi) re-install vgsmail transport

vii) re-install vgsmail client

viii) run 'vgsmail setup' and go through the process of creating the new profile. Your settings should have been retained, although no sent mail or deleted mail will be kept.

I have tested this a number of times on both WM2003SE and WM5 and it works about 90% of the time. Sometimes things get a bit messed up and in one case I ended up having to boot the phone into 'safe mode' (Pocket Plus) in order to completely delete the old profile.

Sorry for this rather horrible procedure, but that's what you get for having had 2 months of fun with vgsmail before everyone else :).
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] enagel:
I am trying to run vgsmail on a Treo 700w running WM5 in order to access mail on my corporate IMAP server which requires a SSL connection. After configuring an account within POutlook, including having checked use a SSL connection, and trying to connect using vgsmail, the vgsmail log indicates that it could create a socket. As such, I never am able to connect to my server. I am able to successfully log in to it by creating a straight IMAP account under POutlook and not using vgsmail. Thoughts? Thanks
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
enagel:

vgsmail does not support SSL at the moment,
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] URPREY:
I just finished the update and all seems well. Excellent progress!

One question - the new mail notification in pOutlook gave me two hard key options : dismiss or view. Is it possible for the vgsmail notification to mimic that behavior? It's a little tough to activate the view button on that popup window. If not, no big deal.

Thanks!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
A bit more consideration with your testing staff would be appreciated ;-)
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] enagel:
Many thanks for the speedy response about SSL. I hope that support of it is on the list for future enhancements.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] tdaubign:
But for the outgoing server ? With the new install solution, we cannot anymore choose the SSL connexion for outgoing message.... :(

As far as i m concerned, i m using fastmail as my imap incomming server and gmail as my smtp outgoing provider... It doesn't work anymore !
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
You can't. Before the new install regime you could but it made no difference. Maybe it just made you feel more secure, but believe me SSL was never supported inbound or outbound.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] tdaubign:
It s not a question to be more secure or not, it s just a question to be able to send mail using gmail, but it seems to be not able without SSL, you confirm ?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
tdaubign:

I don't understand. It is possible to send email, it is just not possible to connect to a server which requires SSL.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
Geoff,

After deinstalling transport & client & deleting the pOutlook profile, I installed & recreated my profile now everything works like it should be. Deleting on the sever side, fetching attachment & messages > 1K also without problems.

Thanks again, M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
Installed new transport and new client on new HP 1990 WM5 device. No previous installation. Transport does NOT show up in Messaging application. Tried soft reset NG. Am I doing something wrong?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
The transport isn't showing in tMail anymore. Just install transport & client. Then run the setup, this will create the mailprofile. After the setup your profile is available in the mail app., start vgscontrol to download the messages. New procedure like geoff stated, but works fine.

Cheers, M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
nothing shows up in the mail app after the setup app is run. Not knowing, I just created a new mailbox in the mail app and I named it the same as the vgsmail profile. Started downloading messages at that point? Did I miss something here?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] tdaubign:
Yes, that s what i m saying, Gmail seems to require SSL... Do you plan to implement it ?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
ok, big problem so far. Unit locked up had to soft reset. Client kept original messages in inbox then re-loaded all of the messages again and ADDED them to the original messages. So I actually had 200 messages in my account, now I have 400 in my inbox on my PDA. Shouldn't box be in sync with the server?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
ok, my mistake. did not match the count correctly. However, there will be soft resets from time to time. Anyway to prevent client from re-downloading and or not notifying until first idle after reset? A little annoying.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
i dont think my client is working properly. stuck on sending queued data command yet the idle timer is moving. Again, no profile in Messaging after I set up a new profile in vgsmail setup. Created profile with same name. Cant download bodies anymore, what am I doing wrong?????
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
OK I think I figured it out. I didn't realize that the setup program created a Messaging account and I had already created an IMAP account in Messaging with the same vgsmail profile name before realizing this. Maybe the client was getting confused? Anyway continuing tests...
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
gotta have those soft buttons to view mail!!!!! tests continue....
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
my pda has locked up three times already while downloading my mail. close to 400 messages. I cannot test any further until this issue is resolved. anyone else experiencing this problem with large number of messages?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] nosdrahcir:
Just a quick pointer... the dates on your site are wrong... I've been using VGS for long enough now to ignore the dates, but new users might get confused...

Great software though! I'm truly impressed!