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[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
I and others are very heavy users of our phones (everyone here probably is to be honest). I also use Chrome and multitask extensively every day. We are saying we don't get launcher redraw on 4.3. Ever.

Why do you refuse that there may be something wrong with an app you have installed?

It's clear that you don't want to educate yourself about RAM management under Android, as I've explained a few times that free RAM is meaningless, yet you still keep clinging to that number being reduced under 4.3 as the cause of the problem on your device.

I have the same figures of free RAM as you and don't suffer the same problems.

Don't take any of that the wrong way, but it's clear that you just want to blame Sony and nothing anyone says will sway you from it.

Good luck with that. I'll continue using my phone with no problems, but I'm out of this discussion. :)
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
You make me laugh.

I don't want to blame Sony, it's just is how it is.

We can also blame specific apps - it's Chrome, which after years of development is still kinda embarassing at times.

I accept that you don't have redraws, that's why I say it's all about how you use the phone. But usage patterns vary and it's you who doesn't get it.

Regarding Sony - they are sometimes hit or miss with software.

About the RAM - you keep repeating the thing and I still say 4.3 is heavier than 4.2.
[Xperia Z General] Okluzhion:
Well, I don't use Chrome, never have and never will, but don't have problems with Maxthon. But if it happens because of Chrome, I'd go blaming Google for not optimizing it, rather than Sony. But then again, I'm currently half asleep so I might be missing some context here.

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[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Yes true that. That may be Google Chrome problem, not Sony.
[Xperia Z General] [NUT]:
Sorry to pop your bubble of hope, but as a software update does not change anything related to your hardware, you can forget the better battery life for sure.

The 3G connectivity, CPU and screen are the battery guzzlers in your phone, not the software: compared to GB/ICS - JB is very energy efficient as it is, with Sony's stamina mode this gets even more so.

To improve your battery life, install a battery saver app and limit the time it's truly online, put the screen down to 20% brightness and use WIFI as much as you can. Using an app like that (Green Power) I, with moderate to heavy usage during the day, can manage to reach the end of the day with 10 - 40% battery left.
[Xperia Z General] joejoe23:
Can they improve video playback and Web browsing time through update? Cos our video playback time is really poor.

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[Xperia Z General] iiizx:
so how lg g2 gets better battery life then the xperia z1 almost twice as much

and they both got the same cpu same ram same battery 3000mah

i think sony can make the 3g take less power or somthing
[Xperia Z General] [NUT]:
As this involves 2 of the 3 battery guzzling hardware items I named, by default the answer will be no... Sorry man, but the screen in this case won't become less energy hungry with the next software update.

I hope the next incarnation of the Z (2014 line) it will contain an OLED or LED display instead of an LCD: the backlight is the bugger causing the battery drain...
[Xperia Z General] Tommy-Geenexus:
just no..it's not really better

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[Xperia Z General] [NUT]:
The difference is in the screen type. The used chip-set can also be an updated less power hungry variant, which Sony clearly does not use...
[Xperia Z General] joejoe23:
From most reviews I have seen and from gsmarena battery test, g2's battery is better if not way better than the z1.

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[Xperia Z General] wyterabitt:
It is completely possible to have substantial battery life changes from software updates - better and worse (both of which would not be possible if it was as set as you state).

There are plenty of things to change, from general efficiency of the software to the management of the processor for voltage and speed (and similar management for the gpu as well). They can make various tweaks to the 3g connection for how fast it changes/searches etc, and this can have a reasonable impact on battery life.

The next update might not improve anything, but it is wrong to say software updates cannot improve battery life or have no impact.
[Xperia Z General] Tommy-Geenexus:
i hold both phones in my hands and tested them and the g2 didn't offer an significant better battery life.

they were both around the same, the g2 a bit better, but not much.

like [MENTION=4904057][NUT][/MENTION] said the g2 uses an superior ips-lcd screen, which is less power hungry. But i use all my devices a lot and do a bit gaming too so the difference will be seen only by a medium usage, then the g2 is definitly better.

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[Xperia Z General] [NUT]:
Ok, humor me with a test:

Put your phone in flight-mode and set it to never turn off the screen. You will see it drop dead within 7 hours (probably not even that, usually it will be closer to 5 hours).

Now once you have agreed on this: Turn on 3G and play a nice movie, maybe even queue a second one while you are at it in a heavy codec format in true HD. Your battery probably won't reach 4 hours of life...

Once you have agreed on this again: turn on 3G, put your phone at one place in the house and never touch it until it turns off. This test will take a long time, probably close to 48 hours and maybe even reach 72 hours online, depending on your network quality.

The reasons for these tests? To show you that it's not the 3G/4G connectivity causing the huge drain in our beloved XZ/Z1/ZU... but the fact that you actually USE it (have the screen turned on, running some apps, playing games, doing misc things).

The quality of the network from the operator you use is more of a factor to be honest. If you make a phone switch too slow, you will lose your connection (either data or voice) while using it on the move. Hopping from access point to access point too fast is a bit of a drain, yes... I can't argue with that, but the speed in which it switches determines your experience in 'quality of service' in most countries... ever had a 100km travel with 5 bar reception everywhere? I really doubt that...
[Xperia Z General] AngelBob:
I have no real issues with battery life, medium use 3g on always, no WiFi at all and even an hour of tethering.

This is quite normal, but if I watch BBC iPlayer I get about total of 3 hours use.
[Xperia Z General] Djuro89:
Does anyone know what will be improved with Android 4.3?
[Xperia Z General] Luke_dD:
Hmm.. I think we will get te update very very soon :)
[Xperia Z General] sasa3342:
I noticed that, too! http://bit.ly/1bbY5gZ :D
[Xperia Z General] GROGG88:
They put a "3" on it...

Seriously, nobody has seen it yet. We can guess all day, but you're better off waiting and testing yourself. It may possibly introduce new bugs for all we know.
[Xperia Z General] Luke_dD:
I noticed that also! Wrong version number and the "WALKMAN with Music Unlimited" app doesn't even exist..
[Xperia Z General] mnzel:
Waiting.....waiting.....the waiting continues !
[Xperia Z General] slim207rc:
Its for those who are still on ics who have got the walkman version 4.3.3.1
[Xperia Z General] daniLaLaLaLaLa:
Really obvious changes i can see there. :p
[Xperia Z General] Okluzhion:
Lol. The app is not called like that. They mean WALKMAN with Music Unlimited feature, which is already present in WALKMAN v7. And by v4.3 they most likely mean the WALKMAN version that will be bundled with Android 4.3.

About the battery life. You probably can't even imagine how the quality of the network (service provider) affects battery life. I obviously have a crappy provider, as my signal varies from 1-4 bars even if I'm not moving at all. Not to mention the crappy 3G with slow speed, huge latency and bad coverage. With screen on and 3G on, my phone loses ~2% in a minute which is absurd. If I put my phone in airplane mode, I'll probably get around 6-8h screen time with a heavy to moderate usage. People still don't understand that there are many factors deciding on battery life. That's why one user can get 5 hours screen time with 3G on, while the other user can't even get 3 hours.

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[Xperia Z General] gbil:
Something in the 10.4.xxxx range is coming the following weeks...

Please don't ask for anything more.
[Xperia Z General] iiizx:
:good:
[Xperia Z General] ckyy:
Lol, it's not like it's a secret that something is coming.

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[Xperia Z General] dvd777:
Nothing yet on PTCRB - LINK

So, 10.4.xxxxxxx is just a lucky guess ;)
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
Yep exactly as every previous "lucky guess" I've made. I'm just a lucky bastard :p
[Xperia Z General] iiizx:
can you tell us anything else

like is the 10.4.xxxxxxxx

is faster ?
[Xperia Z General] wright_ac:
He explicitly said not to ask anymore questions; 4.3 brings trim support so it will make the flash based elements slightly faster. 4.4 will probably bring more of a speed increase. Wait and see.
[Xperia Z General] reptile64:
I'm curious, why the ROM leakage have stopped, I remember back in Xperia S days we had lots of leaked betas! (mostly from doomlord)
[Xperia Z General] DoubleYouPee:
I know you know more than the average Joe, but we already know 4.3 is coming and also know it's gonna be in December (Sony blog).

Also 10.4.xxx, ye big surprise.

No offense btw :cowboy::o:D

There was one for 4.2...
[Xperia Z General] RoberM:
Thanks, but i really can't see the point on your coment. We already knew Android 4.3 was coming to Xperia Z in December thanks to Sony Blog.

Your post sounds like "i know something you don't" and that's it. It is not like knowing the first 3 version numbers is something useful or saying "the following weeks" is somewhat precise enough.

Also, if you cannot be asked, and what you can say is something we already know and/or pointless, why bother posting?

No offense, just my opinion
[Xperia Z General] dvd777:
Gud 4 U :D:D
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
I only post versions when there is something to post, eg when testing has began. But just think, you and the other guys saying "10.4.xxxx yeah right we knew that", that no you didn't know that and how easy is for Sony to track someone posting exact test versions and new/updated features as soon as that test version is released internally for testing.

My post is nothing more than what I'm able to post atm. That is why I'm writing don't ask for more. If you had bothered to check the history of my posts you would see that when I have more info I post it.

Some offense taken, but no offense intended.
[Xperia Z General] fards:
Sony were supposed to be releasing early"development" versions for people with unlocked bootloaders.

They seem to have disappeared...
[Xperia Z General] Djocker:
When XZ get update???
[Xperia Z General] RoberM:
I didn't say 10.4.xxxx was something we already knew, i say that info is something useless for end users, even if you give the full build number, who cares if it is 10.4.XX, or 35.20.Z.23.15?, and in the context of your post the only use of that info seems to backing the fact that "you know something we don't, but you don't want to share".

No need to search your comments, i have read many times your other "leaks" on new firmware release dates and stuff, and i really appreciated them as Sony was not giving any realase schedule at that moment. You have proved many times you are right and i am pretty sure you are already playing with Android 4.3 betas for the XZ. Congratulations for you, but this time you just leaked a big amount of nothing.:victory:

Don't missunderstand me, when you feel you can share something useful, i will appreciate the info as much as always, and i will take it as an absolute truth, but don't worry, we already know you know something we don't about new releases, don't need to post to simply make us remember it. ;)

Cheers
[Xperia Z General] DoubleYouPee:
+1

And when I said "we know its 10.4.xxx..."

Well,

4.1 -> 10.1.xxxx

4.2.2 -> 10.3.xxxx

4.3 -> either 10.4.xxx or 10.5.xxx would be my guess.

And yeh, does it matter what number it has? even if we would know it was specifically 10.4.A.0.205
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Nice to see the brainiacs here talking crap to one of the few people that posts here that has an inside line on updates and release dates of said updates and is willing to share some of that information with us. :rolleyes: What is the purpose of trying to annoy a useful member like this?

Some of us DO appreciate you taking the risk of passing on info [MENTION=988705]gbil[/MENTION] and hope you don't stop because of people that have nothing better to do than pour cold water on actual helpful posts.

Perhaps they would prefer that the entire forum was filled with repeated questions from people that cannot use the search function or whining that Sony do not update fast enough instead.
[Xperia Z General] wright_ac:
People don't seem to understand that he was pointing out an estimate ETA to keep peoples frustration at bay. His point was we can expect something in the coming weeks so in say the next week to two weeks.
[Xperia Z General] mnzel:
You seem to be the math guy ! :D
[Xperia Z General] ken bentley:
Well said
[Xperia Z General] ckyy:
You don't get it do you? He didn't leak or share ANYTHING. Randomly posting a censored build number and saying stuff like no more questions is not useful at all and unnecessary. His post is full of "hey look at me you peasents, i can test new firmware and you can't". That's why people are butthurt.
[Xperia Z General] [NUT]:
You should judge what he said on its value. Whenever he posted a version number, within 2-3 weeks the version he stated arrived. It's clear you don't know him and didn't even bother to check all his posts. His insight IS valuable and so was his post.
[Xperia Z General] Jambu95:
Sorry for my curiousity

lol, i would like to know that instead of 4.3 and trim support,

is there anything major still, that we can know about? :P
[Xperia Z General] ckyy:
What's the point in checking when Sony themselves said that it's coming in december? You act like he shared info on the holy grail.

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[Xperia Z General] [NUT]:
Sony can slip up and delay a release without prior notice. What they intend to do is something entirely different from what they actually do. Once the test team has been put on the task of testing a new release, the release will be imminent as the developers believe they are truly done, and that's why his post actually IS valuable: The test team has been put to work, release is imminent.

Example of Sony 'promises': the Z1 with unlocked bootloader disables/mutilates the main camera, they said it would be fixed very soon... when was the Z1 released? What is the definition of 'very soon'? Did Sony abide to that claim?
[Xperia Z General] DoubleYouPee:
Exactly my point.....

I could say the same thing: what is gbil's definition of 'following weeks'? In 8 weeks is also following weeks.

In fact Sony's "next month" is probably more accurate.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
*sigh* Give it a rest.

It seems you have no problem with all the whiners in here, but seem to have taken exception to somebody that has proven many times to be a reliable source.

_Every_ time gbil has posted about software version numbers, a release has followed within 2 weeks. Him posting what he did basically confirms that Sony are on schedule to keep their promise on a release of 4.3.

If you don't find the info useful or interesting, then just move on. No need to keep repeatedly *****ing about it.
[Xperia Z General] dvd777:
Quit whining and *****ing all of You. You acting like little girls who's daddy is more rich than the other...

Update, or no update. It is not matter of life and death. Just another reason for people to argue over the internet.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
No, I'm just somebody that has seen too many actual useful people driven away from XDA because of people acting like dicks.

CM do not maintain any threads here any more and I have personally seen people like Arcee and other devs from devices I use driven away by noobs.

If nobody speaks up, what will be left here? 20 posts a day asking how to root when the info is stickied and 50 posts complaining there is no development/info for their device? Personally, I don't want that to happen.
[Xperia Z General] dvd777:
This is common on every forum. One thing is sure - we were all noobs once.

Gbil guy said "please don't ask any more". I blame him, only because he still doesn't know what kind of people he's dealing with here. If I was him, l'll kept my mouth shut and let people follow twits and blogs and other so-called beta-testers and developers. But, thats just me.

I respect that guy and his info. I wanted some fun with him and told him lucky guess, and he replied to me that he is lucky guy :D I hope NHF from both sides.

But... many old devs are leaving or left, less new are coming. And noobs are in highest count ever. Natural selection will come, eventually :D

I would rather see roms and updates for my Alcatel than XZ :D
[Xperia Z General] RoberM:
That's an unquestionable truth. But anyway it seems Gbil was trying to say is that Sony is on schedule, which is good to know for people like [NUT] who had doubts about it ;)
[Xperia Z General] DoubleYouPee:
Fair enough :cool:
[Xperia Z General] mars83:
I thought the same. If there would be delay he would say something else - so read something at least twice before you go mad :D. Also like someone said couple posts before, he might be "under" NDA so if he would told us more he could be in trouble ;)
[Xperia Z General] nielneal:
is 4.3 out for ZL by seeing this pic;)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=48230776&postcount=635
[Xperia Z General] kamalmawa:
Leaked screenshots of ZL 4.3 firmware

http://www.xperiaguide.com/2013/12/...4-3-10-4-b-x-xxx-firmware-screenshots-leaked/
[Xperia Z General] Rajeev:
Waiting... :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
[Xperia Z General] NetSkill:
I decided not to buy Z1 i will laugh if z will recive the 4.3 first :D

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[Xperia Z General] Rajeev:
If we get all the Z1 normal features like Honami Framework, phonebook and all other by default with Android 4.3 means i will more happy
[Xperia Z General] NetSkill:
We get same ui like z1 except camera. Imo ;)

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[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
I hope they don't change to a white UI. They strain my eyes at night and look 'amateur' for want of a better word (in my opinion, of course).
[Xperia Z General] wright_ac:
The UI will be changed by the looks of things and it's more inline with the Android/Google app framework. The minimalist lighter look of android, very flat design. It's not really 'amateur', just different. It's one of those things where you'll have the choice to upgrade and if you have Unlocked Bootloader I'm sure someone will make a dark version of the Stock ROM.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Yes, like I said it's just my opinion. I just prefer a darker UI as they are easier on the eyes than staring at a mostly stark white screen.

It's not like I spend much time in the settings anyway, I suppose. :)
[Xperia Z General] daniLaLaLaLaLa:
I hate Z1 camera due to much limitation there..

(9MP in superior auto, no scene setting in manual mode unless i set it to 5MP and below.)
[Xperia Z General] joejoe23:
I actually like Z1 camera. It has a lot of features like timeshift, socialcast, motion shot etc. Some cool features that our normal z's camera is missing.

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[Xperia Z General] EmeraldTimer:
what's last update?
[Xperia Z General] worf_1977:
For all us spanish users, we can be quite sure that KitKat and JB(4.3) will meet our Zs

http://www.sonymobile.com/es/software/phones/xperia-z/
[Xperia Z General] [NUT]:
Or just in english, its the same page in all languages:

http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/software/phones/xperia-z/
[Xperia Z General] NetSkill:
So, Android 4.3 (Jelly Bean)

ETA - 2013-12 :)

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[Xperia Z General] slim207rc:
Nothing new on that information!

We know about that for like 5 months now!
[Xperia Z General] soldiers33:
I hope they hurry up and release it. Its almost middle of december now. But knowing sony they will probably pretend its been released when in fact it hasnt.
[Xperia Z General] slim207rc:
It doesn't always depend on Sony, that's why you've got customization numbers!
[Xperia Z General] worf_1977:
Luckily we in Spain we can be the among the first contries receiving updates...

It has happened in the past, not to mention MWC is going to take place in my city....

Casualty? I personally doubt it LOL
[Xperia Z General] xtcdk:
Im tirred always waiting on OTA updates, so im om the beanstalk 4.4 from now one :) Sony is so sloooow
[Xperia Z General] gripfly:
Sure,Sony have to update 10(?) phones I think..
[Xperia Z General] RyomaEchizen:
Z1 4.3 JB ready! :)

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[Xperia Z General] reptile64:
This will be a looooong tread! LOL ?
[Xperia Z General] pjgowtham:
If developers can do the job better than sony, the. Sony's developers gotta come atleast near to how our devs work..
[Xperia Z General] DooMLoRD:
I would say that you should believe this guy:

regards,

DooMLoRD
[Xperia Z General] scifan:
Over on the T-Mobile S3 forum - we had someone who was sharing leaks... but some critical stuff (kernel for one) couldn't be released because it would out him... (actually had the final "release" a week or so before they released it OTA...)

Just waiting for the 65xx version as well...
[Xperia Z General] Djocker:
Loong time.... :(
[Xperia Z General] xtcdk:
December 2014 ehyy :) :( :-\

xperia z , meow 3.4 / beanstalk 4.4008
[Xperia Z General] slim207rc:
31. December 2013 @ 23;59 ;)
[Xperia Z General] Djocker:
So long..... :)
[Xperia Z General] daniLaLaLaLaLa:
Acceptable . :p:p
[Xperia Z General] reptile64:
I've seen similar posts before..... (X10, Arc, XS and now XZ) :silly:

No it will not arrive the last minute I'm sorry to spoil it!
[Xperia Z General] slim207rc:
Guys, its here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2565584

Android 4.3 officially. 10.4.B.0.569

For our Z to Download now!!!
[Xperia Z General] totzkitotz:
nice share sir...downloading right now ;) thanks again sir
[Xperia Z General] beni8978:
The phone is boosted with the 4.3! :D

Earlier I got 8006.
[Xperia Z General] Tommy-Geenexus:
Yup. Always get about 9000 now.

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[Xperia Z General] xtcdk:
Which benchmark APK

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[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Looks like Quadrant to me.
[Xperia Z General] xtcdk:
Okay, thankz :)

xperia z , meow 3.4 / beanstalk 4.4008
[Xperia Z General] demon434:
Now under 20000 with 4.3 :/
[Xperia Z General] Tommy-Geenexus:
I'm on 22k ;)

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[Xperia Z General] OsiBasi:
Using the 4.3 aswell, Benchmarks doesn't seem to differ to much, but one thing I've noticed it doesn't get as warm from watching youtube/gaming.
[Xperia Z General] levior:
After update to 4.3 I wonder if that will actually work with the BT 4.0 gadgets like Polar H7 HRM or the Casio G-Shock watches. Can someone confirm that?
[Xperia Z General] kramsac:
How did you get such a high score? I'm using Pac Rom with meow kernel. Thanks :)
[Xperia Z General] demon434:
How do you get such a high score? :confused:
[Xperia Z General] DaRk MaDnEsS:
how about this :D
[Xperia Z General] NecROlanD:
Dear xda 'im new in here is it posible to get official xperia z updates with root? If yes would I wait for official 4.3 update to root my device.
[Xperia Z General] d2e:
Photoshop!
[Xperia Z General] Tommy-Geenexus:
Lol no

See quadrant scores are also bit higher than on 4.2

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This is normal. It's becoz sony optimized 4.3 like hell:D

Cool your phone to 20-30 degrees and you can score even higher

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My best

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