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[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
Various:

- A new release with the first stage in attachment support included. Currently all you will see are the place holders for attachments in incoming messages. You will not be able to download the attachments.

- HTML support: I am not sure pocket outlook can actually display HTML, but most HTML messages also include a text/plain version for non-HTML capable clients. At present I am only display the first 'section' of the MIME message and so if that happens to be HTML you won't be able to view it. I will fix this some day.

- Notifications: the OS generates the notifications and so I have no control over whether the screen is turned on or not (this is probably set by the hardware manufacturer). I could force the screen to turn on, but I don't think I want to do this as it would be very non-standard.

- hw6515: I wonder if the hw6515 has got the 'New e-mail' notification registered under a different GUID. I'll check on this.

- Notification 'view' link to pocket outlook: this must be possible, but to be honest I don't know how to do it. I will add it to my list of things to work on.

- Multiple folders: IMAP doesn't allow you to have more than one 'folder' open at a time and so if you were to actively sync N folders this would require you to have N sockets connected to the server. This would cost you serious battery life. I will certainly work on allowing you to have this functionality at some point, but I don't think you'll actually want it when it's available.

- Changing the outgoing email address: this is a limitation of pocket outlook, but I have had a request to provide a fix. I've got it on my to-do list.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] Izzard-UK:
I believe the correct fix for this issue is to:

a) make sure all e-mails you get are sent in plain text

b) tell all your contacts you don't read HTML mail

c) generally boycott HTML e-mail :)
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] URPREY:
I believe you're right. I just know that HTML messages in my normal pOutlook profiles read more like a plain text file than vgsmail. I can live with it either way :)

This is the default way pOutlook notifies me of incoming email without vgsmail, if that helps at all.

I remember this limitation from Chatter. We had to set each folder up as a separate profile/mailbox. I get around this by simply having a separate, non vgsmail profile in pOutlook, and just download new messages when I need to access the IMAP folders.

Thanks for all your hard work on this and your responsiveness!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] micaman:
Geoffrey, I downloaded the recent version and its looking great. I can’t wait for the full attachment support. This program on my Jam makes my Blackberry look ridiculous.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
Full attachment support will be the last piece of the puzzle to make this add-on a fully usuable replacement for the built in pOutlook transports for most users.

The direct link to launch pOutllook would be nice in the notifications. Not a critical priority since the gold standard, Chatter, does not offer this yet either! I'm sure it's possible since pOutlook provides this.

Folder sync: When a message is deleted in Chatter, it is ALSO deleted on the server. When a message is sent, a copy is also uploaded to the sent mail folder on the server. I don't think this is really considered a sync and wouldn't require multiple open ports. Can vgsmail do this today or is this something that needs to be added? This would be critical for us and others, I would think! Syncing the other folders would not be necessary for most users.

Screen wakeup, I would think that would be standard accross all WM devices, so I don't understand this on the 6700. Can anyone else comment on this and describe how their devices work?

The HP 6515 is an incredible device, has built in GPS and it's small. It is growing in popularity. We are considering this device in addition to the Treo 700, so notifications really need to work. This is a WM2003SE device and I thought vgsmail was compatible with WM2003?

Any comments? Geoff, keep up the great work! Seems like we are only a few days away from transforming our WM devices into real email scream machines!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
URPREY,

Can you comment on how vgsmail handles message deletion and sent messages on the server side? Are messages that are deleted on the device also deleted from the server? Do messages sent from the device also show up in the sent folder on the server? pOutlook already does this I believe.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] URPREY:
I know that messages are deleted properly on the server, but I'm not at home to check and see if they show up in a sent folder on the server. I'll check tonight.

I DID run into a problem this morning with vgsmail. I received one email in particular, and it consistently crashed vgsmail when I tried to open it. I attempted to log the error, but couldn't recreate it after that. This happened 5 or 6 times, but only on that one email. It was an RSS forward from Treonauts, so maybe my device was trying to tell me something LOL.

I can forward the email to Geoffrey if it will help replicate the issue since I can't get it to recreate now that logging is turned on.

Also, my vgsmail is now only retrieving the first 1k of any email message. I'm not sure where to make the change so it downloads the entire message instead? Any help on that one Geoffrey?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
deleting on the server

With my fastmail account the messages aren't deleted on the server, only marked (strikethrough) & sended messages don't appear on the server unfortunately.

Still I'm as happy as can be. It's not being used for work mail, just delete a couple of hundred messages every week on the server.

cheers, M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] GardnerMS:
Perhaps a silly question....

Will vgsmail work with my wifi card? or is it strictly gprs only for my Cingular 6515?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
Looks like some messages are MARKED for deletion and some are actually purged. Geoffrey, can you supply some more information regarding this? How is vgsmail supposed to work? It should purge them or is this controlled by pOutlook?

URPREY, please confirm the sent mail.

Thanks
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
URPREY,

Strange problems, were they resolved?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] URPREY:
Nothing yet. Awaiting advice on what to change.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
GardnerMS:

vgsmail should work through any available internet connection. So it will work through ActiveSync, GPRS, Wifi, IR or Bluetooth.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
Am I the only one having issues sending mail (PPC-6700 Sprint EVDO Network)? I seem to have to wait a couple of minutes and during this period of time I am unable to access my inbox or vgsmail. Also if there is a message in the outbox and I close and reopen vgsmail it is not sent. Great app so far and I am loving the constant updates!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] URPREY:
No problems sending mail on my Sprint PPC-6700. I'm sending through my web host - Dreamhost.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
URPREY,

Are you still having the same problems. Crash on specific email and truncated messages?

paulg1981,

Are you still having sending problems?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
URPREY,

Can you confirm if sent mail shows up on the server? Are your messages simply marked for deletion or are thay actually deleted on the server when they are deleted on the device?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] testdebug:
hi

hi. anybody can confirm if we can receive MMS with GPRS always connected. Today i tried to send MMS and failed because It is GPRS connected and cannot establish MMS connection. In this case i think we cannot receive MMS as well as we are now GPRS always connected. am i right?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
testdebug:

I've never used MMS and I might be wrong, but I believe that initially an incoming MMS appears to the phone as an SMS (the phone then goes off and fetches stuff via a data connection). Therefore you should be able to receive MMS while you are connected through vgsmail.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
geoffreycross,

Can you confirm how vgsmail handles deletion and sent mail as it relates to the server? There is a bit of confusion over this.

Thanks!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] URPREY:
It appears to me that my Thunderbird client and pOutlook are always in sync including deleted messages.

I'm on CDMA, but my SMS messages are coming in fine. Not sure if that addresses the MMS question or the GPRS.

I'm still having the issue with 2k email downloads if someone can help me fix this...
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
URPREY,

In sync including sent mail as well? I don't understand this truncated message download issue? I hope Geoffrey will answer your question and help solve the problem soon.

Have you tried to reinstall vgsmail?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
Has anyone else experienced the problem that URPREY is having? vgsmail seems to download the complete message initially then reverts back to only the first 1 or 2k of the message?

Geoffrey, any ideas?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
Please can we keep the noise-to-signal ratio in this thread down to a minimum; I doubt many people are actually reading it any more!

I will post updates here; if you have bug reports, send them to ppcbugs@vgsmail.com.

Eventually I'll set up a forum for posting questions etc.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
I think we are all getting very good feedback for an application, with so much potential, in development.

Looking forward to the next release! Keep up the great work!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
DMSNY,

Thanks for the help! yes I am still having problems with sending reliability! There is not a major issue but I have found the following after some tests:

When creating and sending a message from my device if I immediately send and exit poutlook and poweroff the message remains in the outbox indefinitely until I power the unit back on and wait about 30sec to a min for th message to be sent. The message is NEVER sent when the device is off.

If a new message is created and "sent" (placed in outbox) and then vgsmail is shutdown and restarted the message is never sent. If a soft reset is thrown in the mix then the mail in "outbox" disappears.

The program works extremely well and I feel a little guilty about nitpicking in such early development but i thought it mught be useful for geof or myself if I have an incorrect setting of some sort. I was also a Chatter user previously and I am thoroughly excited about this app! Have a great day and thanks for all the help.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
This behavior is the same on my magician, though easily bypassed. Don't shutdown tmail just minimize it.

And now the important good news, vgs now dials for my internet connection after a reset :-)

Cheers, M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
Awesome

Great glad to hear I am not completely retardo! I am making the changes now and it all makes sense! Thanks for the quick reply
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
It appears my device has to be on (Screen On) to send email still. Could this have anything to do with vgsmail not turning the screen upon receipt of a message?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
New version with a number of requested fixes:

•	Fix to avoid double notification of new emails.

•	“View” command on notifications loads pocket outlook and hides the notification.

•	Buffer read overflow fixed in incoming message parsing which caused a crash under certain conditions.

•	Fixed occasional lack of notifications in WM5 which was due to a minor change in the notification API between WM2003 and WM5.

•	Added fix to force background sending during sleep state.

•	All messages in ‘outbox’ will be sent when vgsmail is started.

•	Significant bottleneck in sending removed.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
Awesome Kudos!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
Spot on!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
Is it posted yet I just see the older 1/19 version?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
Paul,

The files within the zip are dated 2005-01-20 Geoff must have forgotten to update the page...again :-) the internal version is 20050116...

Just testing sending mail with the new specs.

cheers, M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
Ahh silly me should have checked
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
Does the setup app "vgsmail setup" work for anyone following the lateset release? Mine just freezes the device?!

On the upside the sending is MUCH improved and reminiscent of Chatter YAY! Great work Geof! it is much appreciated!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
any general feedback on the new release?

Sending/Receiving

Connection Reliability, etc.

URPREY did the new release solve your crashing and message truncation proble?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
New Release

The new release is amazing! It fixed my sending issues and the connection has been reliable for me for a few releases now.

The only thing that is still a pain is not being able to downlaod the full message. Am i just missing a setting or something? Any help or ideas would be appreciated.

Very excited and grateful for the constant and quick releases and upgrades as well as support. I have posted on several forums praising this app and the development of it!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
I forgot

I forgot one thing! On occasion I get umlats in the message text that are obviously erroneous (the little 'u' with the accent mark thingy).
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
confirmed vgsmail setup crashes pda. anyone else having this problem? downloaded new version but cant test it. :(
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
Yep I posted about that a little bit ago and have heard from one other person trying to install that it just freezes theirs as well. Was working fine until 1/20 release
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
confirmed: message bodies are NOT being downloaded on my 2003SE device.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
I cannot SEND messages, they just sit in the outbox. UserID and password all correct. I can receive message headers only. SMTP server is same as inbound server. Control program says queued for sending but never sends message. Anyone have any ideas?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
notifications NOT working on my 2003SE device.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
If I shut down control program then restart, notifications seem to work just 1 time.

Deleting messages on the handheld does NOT delete them on the server. Tested by deleting message from the deleted message folder in pOutlook. No go here.

However, if I delete a message from the server is gets deleted from the handheld. Seems like deletions are only working one way at the moment.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
tested new version with 2003SE Pocket Loox. Here is what we found so far:

problem with 2003SE and notifications. Same problem as hp6515 user. They do not appear after first notification.

Setup program not working with 2003SE.

Message Body not loading.

Messages not being sent from outbox, maybe because we can't set up SMTP server properly due to vgsmail setup aplication crash.

Deleting mail in pOutlook does not delete from server, however this works in reverse.

can anyone else with a 2003SE OS confirm this?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
Confirmations in version 20050120:

- hanging of my magician with setup

- overall much better respons from the device, not only within mailapps

- sending issues gone for what I niticed (prev. releases sometimes needed resending to get the message send)

- I advertise vgsmail everywhere, since the first releases

cheers, M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] cherylbaker:
ppc 6700 w5

Well I have tried and tried but cannot get this great program to work. I am looking for help. Here is where I am..

Iinstalled the transport.

set things up in outlook

Could not run the setup so I edited the registry adding the necessary fields.

I than ran setup and setup things there.

I rebooted.

I can run the vgsmail control program and see if it is connected.

I cannot get any mail off my imap server. Outlook "appears" to look for mail but none is found even though there is mail.

ALSO I can no longer send ANY pop mail from any of my pop accounts :(

HELP :(

(oh yah also my phone beeps alot.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
You should get the first 1k by default and then if you go to pOutlook and select 'Download Full Message' (or whatever it is called on your machine) then full message will appear shortly afterwards.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
Anyone with problems other than the 'setup crash'; please send a log to ppcbugs@vgsmail.com.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
New release fixes the setup crashing problem (it wasn't actually crashing but was just going very very very slowly :)).
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
setup program

Ok that prob. is history.

Thanks Geoff, M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
OK installed new setup. Doesn't hang anymore.

HOWEVER, outgoing messages just sit in outbox. Nothing is sent. (same settings as inbound server but nothing works)

Message body does NOT download. Either automatically or if requested by message. This functionality should follow the rule established in pOutlook (entire message, first 4k, etc.)

Can anyone else confirm these problems?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
these may be just issues with 2003se, I don't have a WM5 device to test.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
Exciting potential!! Great job so far! Extensive further testing done this weekend with 2003 device and Exchange server supporting IMAP idle command (the same one we use with Chatter on the 650). Connection and reconnection issues seem to have been solved (although client doesn't always auto start on soft reset?). 2003 Notifications, sending messages and server deletion issues remain but making good progress all around! Looking forward to the next release with more reliability enhancements and core features for both 2003 and WM5. :D
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
Oh, and we have not been able to download any message bodies. The message headers are marked by pOutlook but none are downloaded.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] templar:
I have been trying this on and off for a while with my SX66. Send does not work. I have tried two different hosts (Cingular's and my mail provider). I have tried with and without authentication on my provider and using none on cingular. It just refuses to send mail.

The receive part works great. I am a chatter user also that crossed over to ppc and looking for a similar program when I use my ppc's. I also have a wizard and have not tried vgs on it yet. I look forward to updates and more functionality.

The potential is great with this program and I for one would be willing to show my support in a more tangible way if that would help. I have to think this is not Geoffrey's day job and more a labor of love. I know I for one would have a tough time justifying the amount of time he has obviously has been spending on this.

greg
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
The new release works great for sending newly created mail on my ppc6700 but when replying to mail and then exiting outlook and turning off the mail still just sits in the outbox until the device is powered on?! Great improvements thus far keep up the good work
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
Best bypass with sending mail still is not to close tmail/poutlook till the messages are actually send. Works for me all the time.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
templar,

agreed, the potential is there. Love to see this program make it commercially, it would open up a whole new world to PPC users that Chatter users have been enjoying for some time now. We would also be interested in showing our support in a more tangible way. With basic core features (attachment support, message body download, proper deletion handling with exchange, etc.) and more stability, this application would be ground breaking!

Growing more excited with each new release! Geoff, we are behind you 100%!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] dmsny:
sorry about the double post.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] paulg1981:
It turns out sending is not as reliable as I thought originally. Sometimes the messages get sent after I exit and power off (with and with out completely closing poutlook) and sometimes they don't.....very annoying! I am sure it will be worked out and I can live with it for now. This is still the best app for push email!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] jami1:
Wow in the last few hours I learned more about pop and Imap mail than I ever did. I was confused because I didn't know what the differences were. It also seems that my pop3 server, ( ISP HOSTING company) supports imap and I didn't even know it till today.

The implimentation of IMAP support in Pocket Outlook and WebIS Mail version 2.0 is very poor. There is IMAP Support but you still have to poll to retrieve the messages. Push email isn't there. But with this application I can actually send and recieve mail. My inbox is in sync with my webmail account. I have also added IMAP to Outlook 2003 to suppliment my Pop3 account so that I can know when new messages arrive.

I do have one question though, how do u find a list of commands that the pop3 server supports.

This program is truly a godsend. I will tell everyone about it.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
New release.

BASE64 encoded incoming attachments are now supported. This seems to take account of about 90% of the attachments I receive, but I will support further encoding sets as time goes on.

Outgoing attachments are not currently supported.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
Geoff,

I'm noticing a minor inconvenience when I install new releases. Everytime the 'username' in the registry is set back to <myname> where it was <myname>@fastmail .fm. Probably I configured something incorrect & is this meant to happen.

Cheers, M

Btw att. received ok :-)
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
oltp:

I think that problem should be fixed if you run through the setup application again. You will be prompted to 'rebuild' your MAPI profile which will require you to download all your messages the next time you connect; this will not happen again. The trouble is keeping the MAPI and registry settings in sync as only some of the MAPI parameters are exposed correctly and this subsection is different between WM2003SE and WM5.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
Hmmmm I've shutdown vgscontrol, started the config tool & checked all fields. On starting control again it claim the mapi couldn't be opened. Meaning the profile isn't there. Opened mailbox & synced it, had tp choose a folder & provide user/pass again, so I did. Control keeps claiming mapi couldn't be opened :-(

tried the config tool again & like in first run after the shutdown it claims mapi & registry are out of sync. Now it deleted my mailprofile :-( all the send mail is gone :-(:-(

Totally rebuild the account bur same happens, setup want's to rebuild it, & control can't open it....

I'll try again during lunch
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] geoffreycross:
oltp:

Try a soft reset. That should sort you out.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
unfortunately not
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] rustoss:
geoffreycross , couple days everything normal, icon sometimes not appears i think couse 11 icons i`ve in lower tray!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] oltp:
This is killing me, everytime I start the setup after creating a new vgs account it crashes fatal due to the fact that mapi & registry are out of sync.

Got it working again by setting up a new account & starting vgscontrol without running the setup program. Now I need to give in the smtp keys myself, but I can do that. Or I just restore my backup from yesterday :-(

Anyone else with simular probs. or am I the only moron?

Regards, M