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[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] the_eclectic1:
Samsung is just trying to make more $$$. Have you seen the price of their accessories? I feel all flagship phones should include wireless charging for the prices they are charging.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] Kobe_No_Means_No:
Come on, it's only $12. Pop it in and you're done.

http://www.amazon.com/Docooler-Standard-Wireless-Charging-Receiver/dp/B00FTULQJU

Your phone costs $750.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] foxmeister:
You *cannot* compare the price of the Nexus 4 with the Note 3.

Google heavily subsidises the Nexus 4, and without that subsidy the N4 would cost twice the amount.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] toker_X1:
Thanks that's more reasonable.

The official wireless kit from Samsung in £70 that's like $110.

Note 3 in UK cost £600 that's $970 USD.

This phone has already cost me over $1000 USD

---------- Post added at 10:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:35 AM ----------

Google does not subsidised the Nexus 4 nor any of its Nexus range but their profit margin are slim to non on hardware. Google will make their money back via Ads and Play Store.

I understand Samsung can't do so they need to money elsewhere. But ripping out their best customers isn't the way to go.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] foxmeister:
Try Googling "Nexus 4 subsidy". No one knows precisely what it was, but it was clearly there - outside of Google Play, an N4 from LG would cost more than double.

In addition, it was established that the BoM for the original Nexus 7 was greater than the retail cost, so to say that there are no subsidies on the Nexus range is simply not true.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] toker_X1:
Outside play store N4 was £389 from car phone warehouse. £100 more than Google. There is no evidence that Google are subsidising N4 but merely not making the normal margins OEMs aim for.

Nexus 7 2012 model BOM was $15

2 and Google sold it for $199 on play store.

Nexus 4 BOM was estimated at $210 not including software, licensing, royalties and marketing.

As both companies are in the market for producing high end andriod smartphones I can compare and it's fair to compare as they are in direct competition.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] foxmeister:
No, it is £389 from Carphone Warehouse prior to its withdrawal. It was nowhere near this price when the N4 was released, which was pretty much double the Play Store cost.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/lgs-nexus-4-price-tag-leaves-european-shoppers-fuming-50009689/

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I beg to differ:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/09/nexus-7-component-costs/

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/google-nexus-7-selling-at-a-loss-at-159-teardown-suggests-50008565/

http://bgr.com/2012/06/28/nexus-7-sales-profit-cost-google-android/

The BoM doesn't even take into consideration the other costs involved before the device gets into your hands, such:

1. R&D

2. Advertising

3. Software and patent licensing

4. Distribution.

5. Retailer mark ups.

6. Incentives (e.g. Play Store credit).

(and the list goes on).

In addition, Google don't make either device - they are made by Asus (N7) and LG (N4) respectively, so Google are *not* the OEM here. Asus and LG *will* have been making a profit from these devices, albeit probably a very small one, but where does that profit come from? Google of course!

Google *can* afford to sell at a loss or at a cost because it is generating revenues from the adverts pushed to the device, and from the Play Store. Despite Samsung's best efforts to monetise the platform via their own stores, they are simply insignificant compared to the profit on the device. Yes, you can compare the prices, but you have to do so with clear understanding of the different business models. The model used for the N4 simply wouldn't work for Samsung without a significant kickback from Google.

You only have to compare the costs of the LG Optimus G at launch, with the Nexus 4 to see the clear differences. Whilst the Optimus did have more storage and a better camera, it most other respects it was identical to the N4 and yet cost pretty much twice as much. The Optimus was clearly using the standard model for phone pricing, whereas the N4 was not, and without Google the N4 model simply wouldn't exist!

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] toker_X1:
I would have to disagree, I brought one from CPW for £389 (I still have the phone now). I will scanned the invoice to show you my purchase, I also purchased one from play store for the gf at £289 cos she kept on stealing my N4.

Nexus 7 BoM

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/Low-End-Google-Nexus-7-Carries-$157-BOM-Teardown-Reveals.aspx

Agreed BoM does not include the following ...

1. R&D

2. Advertising

3. Software and patent licensing

4. Distribution.

5. Retailer mark ups.

6. Incentives (e.g. Play Store credit).

but OEMs margins are up to 300%, they are just being plain greedy in my opinion. Apple are the Kings at this, Samsung used to offer high spec, high featured phones for simiar or sometimes less that their main competitions. Now they are slowly following Apple and hitting customers for accessories, Samsung Official Accessories arent cheap either
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] foxmeister:
Can you please provide some evidence to back this up?

Here's something that someone wrote up for the iPhone5, and it gives an estimated gross margin of 63%. Now this is Apple, so we'd expect the gross margin to be right at the upper end of the scale, and 63% is high - but it is *nowhere* near 300%!

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-cost-what-apple-is-paying/

Assuming these figures are correct for Apple, I would expect Samsung's to be a lot lower - probably closer to 30%, and this is the gross margin.

This is further evidenced by this, which highlights the differences between Apple and Samsung, where despite Samsung having 75% more revenue on mobile phone sales, their operating profit on those sales is actually only around 85% of Apple's. If this is the case for operating profit, my estimate of 30% gross margin for Samsung looks very high indeed compared to Apple's.

http://beta.fool.com/markhibben/2013/08/02/apple-and-samsung-smartphone-profits-how-the-reall/41837/

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] toker_X1:
'Apple earns about $450 on its 16 gigabyte iPhone 5S'

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/09/24/iphone-teardown-shows-apples-strong-margins/

'The $199 BOM -- which includes an $8 estimate for actually assembling the iPhone 5S' - iPhone 5S retails for $649

http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ry_high_margins_for_both_iPhone_5S_i_and_i_5C

'Apple didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.'

Not quiet 300% but not far off.

Enough of that (way off topic now),

OEMs are greedy in my opinion, Samsung should have included wireless in their high end smartphones, I sorted it for £5 of ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360772320790
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] foxmeister:
Except that *isn't* the gross margin at all is it? See the article on Apple that I posted previously that clearly shows the gross margin is nowhere near this level.

All of those articles that look purely at the BoM and manufacturing costs fail to take into account all the other costs that are expended in order to actually put a product on the shelf, which can easily be more than the physical manufacturing cost. The article itself states: "The data don’t take into account costs such as research and development as well as marketing." - yeah, and the rest!

These articles are so woefully one-sided in order to make it look to the layman that these companies are making hugely inflated profits so you look at these figures and compare them to the retail price of the Nexus 4 (which, as I stated before, is subsidised), and you get the false impression that companies like Samsung are making huge, huge profits in comparison whereas the reality is very different.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] toker_X1:
For every little $ at production Samsung could have included this feature. The only reason why wireless is not included on the N3 is cos of 'greed', Samsung wants you to shell out another £70 for the kit or £40 for a replacement wireless charge back cover if you already has a Qi charging matt. Please do not try to convince me its any different,

OK, so gross isnt 300% but they are still making huge profits,

Samsung's P&L for last year was $3.8Billion USD - Is that not huge enough for you? or is $3.8Billion chump change to you?

'Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18732714

Where did all this money come from? Us the consumers.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] KruseLudsMobile:
They have a higher charging voltage and charging rate for the bigger batteries and therefore your charging will be a joke with the older chargers. Also they are in business to make money. And their products are superb. I've bought the cool aide but I don't see that as a bad thing either!

Sent from my Galaxy Note III; Previous owner/hacker of Galaxy S III, Galaxy Nexus, Droid X, HTC HD2, HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC Tilt, HTC 8525, O2 XDA II, O2 XDA.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] foxmeister:
No, I was trying to convince you that comparing the N4 with anything else was a false comparison. I think that point was proven.

You say the only reason wireless charging wasn't included as standard on the N3 was because of greed. Please supply proof of that, because otherwise it is just an opinion! I can respect it as an opinion, but that doesn't make it fact.

Since they weren't going to throw in a QI charging mat into the box, as best all you'd have got is the coil - and then you'd have had users complaining that they been sold a phone without the charging mat. The simple facts are that for every feature you add, an element of cost is added to the device which means you have to charge more to achieve the same profit, or accept a lower margin. If you charge more, you may end up putting off potential buyers because you've missed the sweet spot for that particular category of product.

Is it worth £70? Debatable, though I did buy one.

Is the S-View cover worth £50? Probably not.

Are you forced to buy either? Nope - they are accessories, so you pay your money and you make your choice!

You decided to go for a cheap Ebay alternative for your wireless charging needs - that's your prerogative of course, and nothing wrong with it either.

Greed? It's a corporation! It's sole reason for existence is to generate profits for its shareholders. That's the world we live in.

Of course it did - hence my point about corporations and shareholders. Consumer electronics division makes money from consumers - hardly any surprise there! ;)

Don't begrudge companies a profit, because it the profit wasn't there, there wouldn't be any investment or R&D.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] toker_X1:
Comparing N4 to Note 3 maybe a mismatch S3/S4 would be better comparison.

Regardless how the N4 got on the market, it's there and N5 soon to be release. You have compare what's available, at what price when purchasing.

Google managed it and I hope they do it again with N5. Amazon managed it with the Kindle.

Samsung needs to watch and learn.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] BlueChris:
Guys I don't get how you compare the any of the note Series with anything else really, if you take the pen road there is no way back, at least for me and some other guys I know.
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] josephandrews222:
...may I ask--what are the two 'best' reasons to "take the pen road"?

How exactly do you use your pen in a way that you find essential?
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] foxmeister:
And both of these companies have massive content libraries that they are exploiting by tying in loss leader hardware with an ecosystem lock in. However, when it comes to accessories for their devices, they are no cheaper than the competition. The official case for the Nexus 7 2013 is now available in the US on Play, but is priced at $49.99, which would likely equate to £40 over here. Similarly, the official Kindle Fire case was nearly £40 when it was originally released. You can get a cheap case of Ebay for a fraction of that cost.

Samsung, HTC et al, are already trying to compete by providing their own content stores, but I simply don't see how they get an traction in the market when compared to the Google and Amazon stores. I've logged into Samsung apps, but if I see something I want I will always head over to Play or the Amazon app stores to make my purchase. Similarly, when I had my Sensation, I did take a look at HTC Watch, but never bought anything from it and it has since closed its shutters.

Google and Amazon take around a 30% cut for everything sold on their stores, and this is a revenue stream that most mobile phone companies could only dream of. There's only one company out their that makes great profits on hardware and then a continuing revenue stream on content sales, and that's Apple.

For what it's worth, I too hope that Google price the N5 very competitively (i.e. subsidise it again), because I will pick on up as a backup phone, as I did the N4! If it is anywhere near the actual market "value" of the device (which I'd imagine to be around £500), I'll give it a miss! :)

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 Accessories] DAvid_B:
This is the wireless charging for note 3 thread....
[Galaxy S II General] MarkyG82:
Hi guys (and gals),

Just wanted to say thanks for all the support over the last year. I've enjoyed many an update and hopefully helped others along the way.

Now with my new G2 I hope to continue this tradition of playing as I have for the last 3 years.

Cheers :)
[Galaxy S II General] andrewwright:
Congrats on the g2. Have fun with it. :thumbup:
[Galaxy S II General] bor51:
Sometimes i thinks it's over. But then i see brand new rom. at that moment i say that " SGS2 never dies". Thank you to all supporters. Rom makers.
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caliburno:
Hello, i just flashed several roms in my Ace II because of the gesture keyboard not working.

I have made my searches, and found zero answer related to this, it seems no one is using gesture keyboard....

Now, on such small screen, having the gesture hability for writing saves a lot of time for me, and i think that anyone who would give it a try will keep it as primary way of writing.

The only rom in wich is working fine is in Slimrom 8.1 but i have found other complains for this one that are more important than the keyboard at the moment.

Is there any workaround?
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arpit85:
Gesture keyboard comes with android 4.2.2 or try search play store for 'Google keyboard'
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caliburno:
I've been using it on the stock 4.1.2 ROM in this same phone and in 4.0.4 on Optimus 2x.

At store, there's no available google keyboard, already made the search.

BTW:

PAC rom has not working gesture keyboard, and is 4.2.2.

TeamCanjica, also is 4.2.2 and it has it not working either.

Rootbox, also is 4.2.2 and is not working.

On the contrary, SlimRom is 4.2.2 and it has it working.
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j800r:
I'm no expert but shouldn't this be in the "general" section? o.0

Google Keyboard (same as AOSP from 4.2.2) has gesture typing, SwiftKey has gesture typing and Swype has gesture typing. If one of those doesn't work you might wanna contact the app support directly. All I know is Google Keyboard and SwiftKey work perfect on stock and Cyanogenmod.

Google Keyboard is available for the Ace II. In fact I think it's compatible with ALL devices so I don't know why you're not finding it. I'd be certain it's likely to be something on your end.
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caliburno:
It seems to be working, but only makes the trace and nothing is written.

Swiftkey and swype have their own drawbacks, both are really c..p finding and predicting words in anything than english, and i need it working fine in Spanish, there google keyboard is unbeatable.

Also, those both apps are paid, google is not only free, IT WORKS.

Nothing wrong in MY end, i've made the search inside the phone and directly with my computer browsing/searching play store, and it does not appear AT ALL.

I also checked some days ago with the Optimus 2x because i dislike the keyboard that came with a custom rom, nothing appeared... And also, both phones use different google account. (just in case)

So.. It seems that the keyboard may be been removed or is only available for older versions wich need update.

EDIT: Sorry... Sometimes you need to kill someone... I'll kill google...

Well, Google keyboard will NEVER appear for spanish... "Teclado de Google" does...

Really sorry... sometimes takes me some time stop thinking on english.

Anyway, it says is not compatible with ANY of my devices.... : wallbash:
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j800r:
Well it's definitely still there for me whatever ROM I'm using so i don't know what to tell you :(
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asdfzz:
Just install google keyboard..in using it right now..

not available on store for country restrict.

Just search apk here on XDA
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caliburno:
Say nothing, is not your fault... Thanks anyway.

Ok, that's a great info. I'll do, thanks a lot.
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j800r:
Ahh, so it's regional restrictions. That'll be why it shows for me, cause I'm in England :P
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caliburno:
Ok, i have DL the keyboard, but... the rom has it already installed...I hope is not the same, otherwise, this is crazy.
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PolishVodka:
No problem. Just extract archive, replace file in system/lib. Change permissions (rw-r-r) and reboot.

Member, swype not working in all languages!
[Galaxy Ace II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caliburno:
THANKYOUUUU!!!

And thanks everyone, i finally found the apk keyboard and installed it, works like a charm!...

If someone think is time, you can close the thread... Thanks a lot people!.

EDIT:

As for this:

It had "Android" keyboard installed... I must be becoming blind or dumb. :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] harrychimp:
I'm new to Verizon after being on Sprint for the past several years. Sprint sends it OTA's, but the user must accept it before the file loads to the phone.

Does Verizon do it this way as well?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gunthermic:
Same thing on Verizon. User must accept it to flash the OTA.

if rooted, freeze SDM.apk
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] keynith:
They can't auto update but, freeze SDM 1.0 with titanium backup or a similar app, just to be sure they don't shoot you an update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jkuczy16:
The only way your phone will update with the OTA is if the user physically accepts the update
[HTC Desire S] mikepreece:
I have a HTC desire that was running Cyanogen and was rooted with revolutionary.io, but as I needed to unlock this phone I have had to go back to stock (apparently I could not unlock it with this Cyanogen ROM).

I have managed to get the phone back to S-on, but I cannot update any stock HTC ROM onto it now.

When I try to install the the standard Euro Desire S ROM (RUU_Saga_HTC_Europe_1.28.401.1_Radio_20.28b.30.0805U_38.03.02.11_M_release_177977_signed), I get the error 131 customer id error

Below is the information that I can get from the phone if this helps;

C:\ADT\sdk\platform-tools>fastboot getvar all

(bootloader) version: 0.5

(bootloader) version-bootloader: 0.98.0000

(bootloader) version-baseband: 38.03.02.11_M

(bootloader) version-cpld: None

(bootloader) version-microp: None

(bootloader) version-main: 1.47.61.1

(bootloader) serialno:

(bootloader) imei:

(bootloader) product: saga

(bootloader) platform: HBOOT-7230

(bootloader) modelid: PG8810000

(bootloader) cidnum: ORANG001

(bootloader) battery-status: good

(bootloader) battery-voltage: 4105mV

(bootloader) partition-layout: Generic

(bootloader) security: on

(bootloader) build-mode: SHIP

(bootloader) boot-mode: FASTBOOT

(bootloader) commitno-bootloader: 361a7ba6

(bootloader) hbootpreupdate: 12

(bootloader) gencheckpt: 0

all: Done!

finished. total time: 0.047s

I can only access fastboot.

Any ideas on how I get the stock Desire S to run on this phone would be appreciated, as currently I can only get into the boot screen
[HTC Desire S] #Fear:
Remove your imei and serial no.

I think we can assume your still soft with hboot 0.98 , try checking it in hboot.

Any reason why u want to return to stock? Custom roms are better and more stable, unless u are doing some troubleshooting no point in going back stock.

If your hboot is still s-off with 0.98 , update your hboot, make sure u have a custom recovery, then start flashing a rom.

Cheers :)

FromTheDesiredS
[HTC Desire S] mikepreece:
Removed the serial and IMEI....thank for the heads up!

I am needing to return to stock, as I need to unlock the phone. I have the code to unlock, but under the Cyanogen rom I was running the phone lept saying that the code had been accepted, but did not unlock. Infact I discovered that I could enter any code, and got that message, without unlocking. The company that supplied the code informed me that the phone needs to be running a stock rom for this code to work.

The hboot is now s-on.....does this give me a problem?

I was considering sending this phone to JTAG specialist for repair. Would this be necessary, or is there something that I could do to recover this situation?
[HTC Desire S] jmcclue:
First reason why it fail is because ur "version-main" is 1.47 and the ruu that ur trying to flash is 1.28, u cant downgrade.

Second reason is that ur locked to orange so u cant use a europe ruu, u will have to use orange branded ruu.

Either find the orange ruu 1.47 or above and flash it but if u use one above then u will have downgrade after to achive s-off. Theres guides here in dev thread on how to do it. Or u can create a goldcard and then use a wwe/europe ruu, the goldcard bypasses the cid check of the ruu. All guides r here on xda, just search, im on my phone cant post links. (i could but its easier on laptop) ;)
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] namserious:
Hi everybody,

I'm so angry with my Nexus 7 (wifi 2013) because I just made it mess up.

Let me tell you how stupid I was.

First, I tried to root but it failed.

Second, I used 'Back to Stock' with 'Nexus Root Toolkit v1.7.2'. Finally, I got stuck at Google logo :(

I tried some solutions on the internet but it still unchanged anything.

Could you show me how to fix it, please?

Thank you so much.

This is the images of error that I got (I'm sorry I cannot insert image because I'm a new member of this forum, could you go to the link below to see more details?)

s1019.photobucket.com/user/namserious/media/Error_Nexus7.png.html
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] sfhub:
Your /system is broken.

Try restoring factory defaults using this post:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=45671279#post45671279
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] namserious:
Restoring Successfully

Awesome, sfhub :good: :laugh:

Thank you so much. I have restored successfully.

This is my result :)

i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af319/namserious/WP_20131018_001.jpg
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] nexussucks:
How did you do that?

Hey namserious,

How did you get it working? Did you use the Mini guide given by sfhub? I'm having the same issues with my nexus 7 (2013). I only used for one day. Restarted on the second day and never got anything after the Google logo. Also, my phone wasn't rooted, so I didn't have developer options turned on and since I can't get into the system, I can't turn it on either. Will that make a difference?

Thanks.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Stealth22:
If you didn't root the device or do anything else with it, you should be able to get into Recovery Mode and do a factory reset.

https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/2668187?hl=en
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] nexussucks:
Even recovery doesn't work

I'm not able to get into recovery mode. When I select recovery mode, the tablet starts and displays Google logo again and gets stuck there again.