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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
It could be a difference in the way we initially rooted the device or the way we removed Knox and eliminated tima's ability to initialize during boot? I'm not sure... and you're on I9595 and Im on I337. It could also be a difference in our buildprops even... it's really tough to say. I can flash back to stock with Odin and in Odin mode it then says official and resets my boot animation to official even. I just done it to be sure lol. It only takes a few minutes to flash, root, then restore with SafeStrap. I wanted to be certain I still had that happening because it has been a while since I flashed to stock on my personal device. It could also be because of the firmware I use to go back to stock. I use the modified NB1 with NC1 kernel, so I can immediately use safestrap then install SuperSU Pro and terminal emulator for TiBu (any root app) and then open the app and it triggers SuperSU for root access and then youre set. Just open SuperSU and it'll prompt for binary update... it's simple :) then use SafeStrap to restore a backup. I've done this many, many times trying things that didn't work the way I had wanted. I have a burning hatred for AT&T, so that's what I choose to hack on.

EDIT: I could honestly care less says official or custom. I was just saying that the official status and Knox bit are not connected. If they were I'd have figured out how to fix this already :) I want to unlock bootloader and I believe will result in resetting the Knox bit in the process. I buy third party warranties that cover rooted devices. Problem solved for warranty issues.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
True, the way I rooted was I flashed cwm recovery in tar.md5 format via Odin, then in recovery flashed the S4 mini root kit, but as soon as I flashed cwm in Odin it tripped so maybe it if u flash a ROM altogether?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
Yeah... that's worlds different from the way I went. I had serious trouble tripping Knox to have a test device, but I had already totally stripped Knox out of the devices and even deleted its files everywhere I could find them and I had shut down tima also.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
Well once I rebooted I stopped Knox using terminal eliminator, then using root explorer I searched for everything Knox, made a zip of the files, moved zip to PC and deleted knox.

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Used this, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=46696005

[HOW-TO] disable Knox security shield

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
I just added persist.sys.tima.disable=1 to build prop and the result was ro.config.tima=0.... this was after a lot of work though to remove Knox leftovers that kept blocking the property. It takes a while but it opens up more access to the device and more options.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
What's this tima? Don't think I have that

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Actually I do. Do I need it?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
It's basically part of the security for the kernel and monitors the boot to ensure nothing has been modified in the kernel during boot. This was added because there was an older exploit which allowed small modifications to the kernel without tripping security and softbricking the device during boot (bootloop). If you shut it down you can use the older exploit on the kernel to get more access to the device. It'll allow you to shut down the AT&T boot animation, but you still cant load a custom animation. I prefer none rather than seeing the AT&T logo on boot. You can forum search and find it. I just realized that tima was what shut down that exploit, so I killed it. I was right and the exploit worked again. Samsung is literally building on top of older firmware versions in a lot of areas, and that opens up huge vulnerabilities if you can hack your way in and disable the layer on top of what you're trying to get to.... so to speak.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
Well I'm on an unbranded phone, and I can freely change the boot animation due to custom ROM, I'd like to disable this tima as long as its not going to cause an issue, the command you have wrote above, can it be used on term eluminator or just add to build prop?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
Apparently not, because mine is disabled and the device is stable. As long as you've cleared out Knox completely, I guess you don't, but again you have a different device than I do, and I have no idea if you've removed the exact same things as I have. It's very tough to say either way. I would run a backup before I tried if I were you. Worst case scenario is a soft brick which safestrap can fix. I have restored so many times, it doesn't even bother me anymore lol.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
Well I just added

persist.sys.tima.disable=1 to build prop, so how can I check status?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
It has to be in buildprop due to tima being active during boot. It wouldn't do anything in terminal emulator or make any difference since the device is already booted. Run a backup first please.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
Already got a backup from this morning,

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Would u suggest a reboot?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
Just reboot and see what happens.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
Brb

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Nothing

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
Try adding ro.config.tima=0 and see if it'll let you manually disable it... it might
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
Again... Reboot... Its the only way.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
Again nothing happened, maybe it don't work on my device

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
It is a different kernel, so that's possible. Sorry it didn't work for you... I tried lol. I'll go thru my buildprop later tonight and see what I had to add before I got that to work. This is a guess... Add dev.bootcomplete=0 and see if it allows it if it 'believes' its still in boot. Long shot here but ya never know
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
No luck, maybe it'll work on stock kernel, I'll try later :thumbup:

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
this is a lot of changes to do all at once but in spite of my wife about to kick my butt, I looked and add the following to the build prop:

ro.config.timaversion=

sys.qseecomd.enable=false

dev.ssrm.mode=dev

dev.ssrm.pst=296

ro.config.knox=0

ro.build.selinux=0

ro.security.mdpp.ux=Disabled

security.mdpp=None

DEVICE_PROVISIONED=0

persist.sys.strict_op_enable=false

persist.sys.strictmode.disable=1

RTLD_NOW=1

sys.boot_complete=0

init.svc.qseecomd=Disabled

Some of these props already exist and you'll need to find them and change them in their current position. Your boot will be a few seconds longer with these. All have tie ins in some way to tima and bootloader. Good Luck!

EDIT: If you have no luck, get LiveBoot on market and make a log. Send it to me and I can find the problem possibly. My S4 is currently running stable with these properties, so if you have removed all the Knox supports and in your getprop you show Knox inactive, this could work.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Darrylbeck:
Has there been any progress made with this
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
I'm working on it. I already explained what I'm doing currently in an earlier post today to try to get the bootloader partition open to flashing thru Odin, which will also take care of the Knox bit... I hope :) Everything I've read and discovered points to that being its location, OR the Knox bit is stored in a very tiny partition all to itself that is inaccessible and none of us has found it...that is a very real possibility, but it's process of elimination. I'm pulling the wings off the fly, but it has a lot of wings. I've had to send two devices to Samsung and get a new chip already from trying this earlier than I should have, but that's just how I do this. They went hardbricked, but stuck in firmware upgrade error screen. I couldn't get them out. Flashing bootloaders is the riskiest thing we can do to these devices, but that's what has to be done. Oddly, in Odin when I flashed my modified bootloader tar, it gave a green light and 'pass'. That's why I changed a few things and tried again... Got 'pass' on that try also with same result. Th sad part is that even when I do defeat the security and flash a new unlocked bootloader successfully, I'm going to have to basically create a ROM also with Knox removed, tima disabled, and SU active (easy part) plus the literally 200+ files I've modified to make it work... but I've never created a full ROM.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Darrylbeck:
Okay I apologize if I seem to be rude and this great thanks????
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
You're fine :) I didn't take it as rude... It was just a question, and I chose to give a detailed answer.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dulshan:
Hey Hackers, Crackers, Pros, Techs and Noobs(Like me)

I'm wondering if there's a way to reset Knox. I'm using S4 GT-I9505. I'm trying to get a official Software Update.

Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] _Sofos_:
No. There are several ways to root without triggering Knox for your device but still there's no way to reset the flag back to 0x0.

You can always use Odin tho for your updates.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
I never knew OTA's wouldnt work with the international version if the device is 0x1... Just clarifying, if the device is official and flashed to stock, it still won't do an OTA solely over the Knox flag?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Lt1streconbn:
I made progress kind of... the admitting set back or dead end kind of too. I paid $45 to Samsung to FLash Stock 4.2.2 JB with unlocked bootloader. I want CM on my personal device. Sick of seeing touch wiz. It'll be back in two or three days.I wont know what effect it has on my Knox prop. My personal device is/was 0x1. Just some FYI if anyone is just sick of locked down devices. Ppl need to call and complain so they'll make a line for ppl like us! I wish they'd get the international versions yo work with LTE and unlock the sim and bootloaders. If we don't crack KK, we stand nearly zero chance with LP and what about Android 6.0? We've fallen behind :( At&t will go after the root access next if bootloader is secured. It seems like they're might be five or six of us maybe, in the world mind you, trying to defeat it. I'm making progress slowly, but it could be six months before I find an exploit to get inside and get the access to either unlock it or my primary thought, flash a new bootloader. If anyone is looking at LP, gimme a shout. Maybe we can compare notes, because I'm stumped and at a stand still ATM trying to figure out where the remaining security is located.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Hi.The knox counter is not a fuse..is a software counter

Hi to all

I am verry disapoited to see that nobody found a solution for the mighty knox.

All I can say is the knox flag is not a fuse and I can say for sure that is a software "flag"

I work at some company and i can not say to much becouse I have a contract.Hope the info will help sombody to fiind the right solution
[Galaxy Note 3 General] i360droid:
Has anyone tyred a full on hunt of the phone, you never know.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] TechMinerUK:
I wonder what the aftermath would be if everyone on the forum emailed Samsung at the same time about this ridiculous Knox flag. :confused:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
I did a full scan after disabling Knox and had a Knox zip somewhere on my sdcard or PC can't remember. Knox was implemented due to us military using it and saying how good it was and how secure.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ryanbg:
Only Exynos devices have a 'software' Knox flag. Qualcomm devices have a permanent fuse.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
The fuse is locked to bootloader correct? Getting hold of a bootloader from last pre Knox could in theory sort this but could brick the phone too
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djnoicatse:
Donations updated!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DAGr8:
i would like to offer my phone's virginity , im still at 0x0 . if a dump is needed before after/scenario i will trip it on purpose for the cause .. have any dev pm me .
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DSD99:
Were pretty sure by now that KNOX is an efuse that is triggered.

Obviously all cpus have redundancy built it because no process is perfect so it would several efuses that aren't actually assinged to anything.

Since official samsung centres have been proven to be able to reset knox, and you cant reset an efuse maybe thay have a way of changing the the KNOX check to a differant efuse location.

So instead of checking a1 efuse which has triggered they set it to check a2 efuse which is unused.

thoughts?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] GeorgEveS:
20 bucks from me too :) C'mon guys :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I think it's the encrypting keys that's being lost if it's 0x1

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] theorioles33:
This should probably be in the "dumb question thread" but whats the big deal if Knox is tripped? Does it cripple your phone? How do you check if its tripped?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Press Volume Down+HomeKey while booting up and enter download mode and you will see

Knox Warranty Void 0x0 or 0x1

Ok heres maybe something

If you read carefully Knox Is using an encryption key and if anything has been changed "Recovery/Kernel" Knox won't work.

And i've found out that There's "hidden" folders with *See atachment* in this case it's only one folder that has some keys and it's folder 1

and in other folders "containers" they're similar but they have the encrypted keys in 2 and 3 folder seems like there some more keys in other places

i'm not 100% sure if its related but i'm sure its somehow related to knox

and in /firmware/image we got some TIMA related files (if 0x0) not sure if 0x1 and those are also related to knox
[Galaxy Note 3 General] theorioles33:
Oh ok. I just did and its 0X0. So its just a warranty thing. Thanks!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kakyyabata:
20$ from me to stop cheating of samsung
[Galaxy Note 3 General] erlos:
Hi guys,

someone trying with jig?

Someone says That at samsung center, the operator reset knox with Downgrade bootloder.

I think That this is NOT An efuse chip.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I can order a cheap jig and give it a try xD
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Just to mention, did anybody read the Knox Information :confused:

Samsung KNOX uses systematic security checks to ensure that only valid kernels are used by the device. On the hardware level, the Primary Boot Loader confirms a PKI certificate to verify the integrity of the Secondary Boot Loader 1. Similarly, the Secondary Boot Loader 1 verifies the integrity of the Secondary Boot Loader 2, and the Secondary Boot Loader 2 verifies the integrity of the Android Boot Loader. The Android Boot Loader will only load a Samsung-authorized kernel with a Samsung certificate as its Root-of-Trust.

and if i'm not wrong they are stored in some places of / etc /data/container

also in /firmware/image/ we got tima and i've seen som certificates around somewhere

i need to know if someone have etc a sdcontainer in /storage a folder container should be there, in that folder there should be 3 folders with .sdcontainers these contains a some "encrypted keys" i know i've tried to tell this before but seems like no one gave any reaction or anything
[Galaxy Note 3 General] erlos:
Ok, Now se Can reset knox counter At Samsung Platinum Center for 15€ (or $ ) in about 10 minutes.

This is a really Good notice. Not An efuse chip.

I don't know why, but i think that they use a new tool like Jtag bootloader tool

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Huh where did find that info!?

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] erlos:
On Samsung site

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Mind to link this : confused:

I haven't found anything about this.

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] erlos:
I had check lookup and trace IP .. This is Samsung domain, NOT a fake. ..

https://futureservice.samsung.it/estimates.php?model=SM-N9005&defect=18H#

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I don't know but looking to the layout of the site it looks so diff from what's used. Im not understand Italian that well but no Mention about Knox only root and other issues :confused:

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] erlos:
Ok...

This is Samsung site. I had make lookup and trace. This not a fake.

Report An user experiece:

"I had up date with Kies My note 3. After reboot My efs Was corrupted and knox 0x1.

I went to a Samsung Center He reset counter knox in 10 mins and i was able to send My note in assistance"

Site says---> root reset 15 euro

Root---> flag counter

Reset ---> knox 15€

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Pay for that :eek: no thanks

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Ar you a developer?

Do you know that knox is in a fuse in Qualcomm for sure?

Dont speak if you dont know for sure

A quik ex:

Galaxy s3(this is an example...not the real fact) didnt came with knox because he had android 4.1.2 after 4.4 update...ups he got knox.I know for sure that samsung didnt take your phone to put a special fuse just for knox on it.

The solution exist but is not for free and the mighty knox is made by a developer like the mighty icloud from apple

Look at apple and icloud..the are site (made my developers)ho will erase icloud if you pay for it.

If you donate 20$ from 500 persons that will not suport the develover time and money.or better they will go at samsung or other company for 5000$ and made for them ....the knox or icloud

I have worked at some samsung company in few countrys and i can tell you for sure that knox is not a fuse. You will belive what you wont...and still bump your head for a solution to remove knox

Have a nice day

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Nice theory...but this is in the right direction.

By the way dont try this at home you will need some boxes to put the imei back to the phone

Like the sim unlock...... the phone had to have a rom from a carrier that is unlocked and the imei for that carrier to unlock the phone(unoficiall way)

Every mother board that came from samsung factorys ar with i9250(nexus) rom.and that rom is android 4.1.2
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
Well luckily mine i9195 is factory unlocked so that's not an issue. I just don't want to screw up the phone

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
The unlock was just an example and how it works based on your theory about the bootloader and the way to remove knox
[Galaxy Note 3 General] God Ares:
I have the proof that knox is not a fuse (for now just photos for you)

I managed to downgrade 4.4 bootloader on a SM_G3815 ( Galaxy Express 2 )with android 4.4.2 to android 4.2.2 with 4.3 bootloader

And GT_I9505 from android 5.0.1 with knox bootloader to android 4.2 with 4.2 bootloader(NO KNOX)

I am working on SM_N9005 (note 3Lte) and s5.s6 and s6 edge

All software ...... no fuse no hardware modification

Knox is NOT made by samsung......there are developers behind this...thats why you dont have any results till now

For photos .... a am new at this forum and i dont know where to upload

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By the way ...you have a rich imagination...where did you came with that answer?:banghead:

The a phone that came with 4.2 like express 2 (no knox) and after update the phone ..ops he have a knox.Did samsung toke all the express 2(and many others phone like express)from clients and put a fuse on it?:what:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbomodder:
Excellent work. Would be brilliant to ditch the knox boot loaders

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] God Ares:
For most of cammon phone like international s4.s5.s6.s6 edge.note 3(n9005) the knox is been almost "ditch" but is a hard hard work and i dont have the time (i have to work to support my family)and money to develop more and i need phones to test the softwares.

But i will try to make it faster and better...you will have to wait and the most important fact is that you will not update the phone any more.

If you root you device without tripping knox and your sistem status is custom...samsung still voids your warantty.if your sistem is custom and want to send it to customer service..just flash before send it a official rom from sammobile and your warranty will NOT be void.(but dont flash a upgraded rom ..it will upgrade knox to)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] note2nooby:
Do you think it will work on old exynos devices such as the note2?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] God Ares:
I dont have a note 2 anymore...and i need a special rom for it to work and a phone(note 2)

I will try ..but i can not tell you for sure

I will try for any phone not just the one i have mention in last post

I am just one persone and is to much work to do on just a short time and short of money:( to by phones

I can not put a software without testing
[Galaxy Note 3 General] note2nooby:
As far as i remember it was a bounty for reseting knox and you prove your concept and it should be yours

Edit: o shht we are in the same post :silly:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gencho81:
Where is that prove? Reading here but no prove given. Also downgrading bootloader not meaning reseting Knox for me. I have n9005 and n7100 both with Knox 1. As I know there is option ro downgrade n9005 bootloader from 5.0 to 4.4 but it do not resets Knox bit.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] God Ares:
?if you dont know what a bootloader is or where the knox flag is why do you even talk about proof?downgrading bootloader will erase the knox and with that the knox flag.(4.3 bootloader dont have knox)is to complicated to explain if you dont understand what bootloader downgrade means

Why you (or any other develover)didnt make bootloader downgrade possible if you a to good for this (knox and bootloader downgrade)?

For n9005 the rom will be ready next week..i have a n9005 and i will test it on mine

As for proof ...i just told you that i dont know where to upload the pictures from my work

For s5.s6.s6edge end next generation phone bootloader wil not be posible to downgrade because they already came with 4.4 bootloader...but i have a BIG suprise for samsung and the mighty knox

As a sugestion :

Dont be ignorant because in my country i will make alot of money with this and you will still lose your warranty and try to get a free knox reset without any succes

I just want to help you all but not like this and not with this atitude

Cheers
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gencho81:
I didn't mean to be ignorant. Didn't understand me good. I was just wondering if I have missed something here. Full respect to what are you doing. Hope so to see your work online soon. Also thanks for refreshing my knowledge about bootloader [emoji41]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] God Ares:
I will be back to you next week for n9005 rom.i still have some small things to check and i will post it

For n7100 ...i dont know for sure because i dont have a n7100 anymore but i will try

Cheers
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tin2404:
Well, if this works, I also want to go back from 4.4.2 to 4.3 ROM on my N9005, and I also will give nice reward as little tribute and compensation for your hard work.

So, theory sounds good, we shall wait in practice. :cool: