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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mulletmeister:
This is where things get very interesting / messed up. The knox 0x1 flag has become a bit of a hot potato. If you view all of Samsungs own literature on this, the 0x1 only means that the KNOX warranty has been invalidated, and therefore they cannot warranty the security of the device. I've read many many items from Samsung confirming this, BUT....when you find time to purchase a magnifying glass and read the T's&C's in the box, it states no software not approved by Samsung is permitted to maintain warranty. So....Do we have to download all of our apps from the Samsung store to maintain warranty?

The problem we have is that by tripping to 0x1 we have shot ourselves in the foot because the phone then becomes 'damaged', caused by non approved software. I asked Samsung for clarification, and went so far as to mention that if we were daft enough to overcook the CPU etc, then we deserve to be left in the cold. But if I could prove, by re flashing stock, that the fault lies elsewhere, would the warranty remain. I guess for things like buttons falling apart you might have a good chance as there would be no way on earth software could do that!!

As yet, Samsung have not replied!

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I followed your link and, again, like every other piece of literature from Samsung, it only ever refers to 'Knox' warranty, nothing else.

Still seems wrong that Samsung can refuse a claim and yet the info they put out doesn't state 'phone' warranty, just security / knox warranty.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
I think Samsung should quit being dicks to consumers that make their sales numbers exceed their expectations, they should either make a tool to remove knox and bootloaders or make a totally knox free version of the note 3 for guys like us that don't want this crap, if the majority of xda users and other forums that roots and uses these knox plagued devices said screw Samsung and stopped buying them it would put a huge dent in their sales, and since it only costs about $240.00 to build them and they sell them for $700.00 and we buy them tell me whos doing who the favor!.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mulletmeister:
That would be nice but I think we can guarantee there would be caveats. How about no processor warranty, modem or screen, basically things you 'could' **** up with a custom rom....

How about an offer of unlocked bootloader providing you sign up to a hardware warranty less the cpu/modem/ screen
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
You can sign me up, because as long as I have been flashing roms, kernels, modems,from xda I've never effed up my phone because I always followed the instructions from the OP and made sure beforehand about mixing roms, kernels and modems so I would definitely be ok with that.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toviaheli:
This method worked for me to RESET KNOX!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2671643
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zibri:
By "that method" you refer to just flash an odin-one-click on your SM-N900P. Which I don't know. Most people I know have the european SM-N9005ZKEITV or similar model.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toviaheli:
Well, what can I say. It worked. My Knox has been reset to 0x0
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
Sounds like your the only one that it's worked for. No one has confirmed but you. So far......
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DON AMIGO:
if its resets KNOX as you say my freind - then you've helped us BIG TIME.

hopfully that there will be confirmation of the method for sprint note 3

and can ported to other brands A.S.A.P.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pvinodnayak:
You can install a nuclear bomb to your phone if you want. If you brick it while doing so, don't claim for a replacement is what they are planing to implement with kn0x.

If you trip it, warranty void as simple as that.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
you still take the Samsung's point of view. or the Apple's. No, it's not okay to missuse the knox bit to deny the hardware warenty. Why they don't make efforts to build a hardware that not can be damaged by software or why should it be not a hardware fault when you could cook it up by software. Yes, for they it is much easier to try to forbid other software than their own but it think it's the wrong way...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zibri:
This space is intentionally left blank.

But by writing this, it is not blank anymore.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nitrate:
What method resets KNOX? I only see a complete thread for N900P - no specific step-by-step tutorial.

Even though I own a N9005 which doesn't belong to this method of resetting KNOX. So I think it's also related to the Snapdragon / Exynos processor whether you are able to reset "the easy way" or "the hard way".

No solution yet upon N9005?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Spere:
Knox has nothing to do with warranty, rooting does.

What If Samsung makes separate warranty flag and uses one efuse there?

When you flash anything not official it says warranty 0x1. Will you be happy then?

Or make it just "KNOX / warranty void" makes the same.

Knox flag is just for knox, but it is same time a mark that warranty is lost - How dont you people get that?

Stop talking bs please.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
I deny this!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] stocovick:
There's a guy here in Brazil claiming he found a way to reset the Knox counter on the international version of the device. He said he managed to do it in two devices and that he already sent the instructions to xda and already got the money from the bounty. Does anyone know anything about this? I find it really strange that there's no update here on the thread about this. I asked him if he really did it and he confirmed saying that he's writing a tutorial right now.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
It would most likely be the biggest news to hit XDA in a long time if it was true. I seriously doubt it's true.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] benito.brazil:
Opa!

Onde? Where?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
Well would all this been figured out with the binary count?

I mean we knew that when the count started it would void warranty to. But people got scared and used triangle away to reset it.

That is the same as this situation.

Only difference is we can't reset it yet or never
[Galaxy Note 3 General] neoKushan:
Probably, I can't think of any other reason why Samsung would have implimented the flash counter. If something can count though, it can be reset. The Knox flag is a bit different though. I guess Samsung have given us a bit of a red herring by calling it Knox warranty, if it had just been called "System Tampering" or something, it would have been much clearer.

(This is actually the industry I work in) - the secure element was actually doing its job here, its designed to be a completely tamper proof chip and rightly so, as it stores things like credit card details (and not just your PAN, stuff like keys from your bank and such). Some mistakes were probably made by early devs that caused the SE to get modified in some way (or rather for it to think it was being modified) so it essentially bricks itself, in case someone's trying to steal your data. It's a pretty good analogy for Knox, I suppose.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lordmusik:
ADD 50
[Galaxy Note 3 General] designgears:
Based on everything I have seen in the aboot, it is an efuse.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] AUSTAB2012:
If this is an efuse am I right in saying that the Knox flag can't be reversed?

Not that I care I couldn't resist. I will let phone insurance foot the bill when the phone gets accidently run over by a train ???

Edit* put me down for 20 bucks op
[Galaxy Note 3 General] samuraiofu:
I put 20$ here. My flag is 0x1 now by accident. I want to bring it back for warranty. :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] LemonPowerForce:
I guess this is worth $50 to me.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ValenteL:
Donations for what?

If You read this : http://www.sammobile.com/2013/10/09...alaxy-note-3-causes-hardware-damage-say-what/

Rooting-and-flashing-custom-software-on-the-galaxy-note-3-causes-hardware-damage

Why? Because 0x1 seems to be a fuse that is opened inside a ship like a PROM. Impossible to close it inside:

From Wikipédia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_read-only_memory

I quote from it:

A typical PROM comes with all bits reading as "1". Burning a fuse bit during programming causes the bit to read as "0". The memory can be programmed just once after manufacturing by "blowing" the fuses, which is an irreversible process. Blowing a fuse opens a connection while programming an antifuse closes a connection (hence the name). While it is impossible to "unblow" the fuses, it is often possible to change the contents of the memory after initial programming by blowing additional fuses, changing some remaining "1" bits in the memory to "0"s. (Once all of the bits are "0", no further programming change is possible.)

The bit cell is programmed by applying a high-voltage pulse not encountered during normal operation across the gate and substrate of the thin oxide transistor (around 6V for a 2 nm thick oxide, or 30MV/cm) to break down the oxide between gate and substrate. The positive voltage on the transistor’s gate forms an inversion channel in the substrate below the gate, causing a tunneling current to flow through the oxide. The current produces additional traps in the oxide, increasing the current through the oxide and ultimately melting the oxide and forming a conductive channel from gate to substrate.

.............

Then to change to 0x0 we must replace the board whit this ship on the phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Action B:
Interesting but is it possible for a workaround for those with 0x0 to not blow the fuse you describe and still have custom rom/bootloader? I am not yet rooted.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ValenteL:
Sorry. I unknown. Never tried that. I'm 0x1 from first day and I have no trouble whit.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rysalf:
yeah im too on 0x1:crying::crying::crying:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Well I've been following this subject like a madman and there's got to be a way to write a kernel/rom/bootloader, etc that bypasses the custom detection trigger wich as stated above then ramps up voltage/current to burn the fuse there just has to be a detour we just have to figure out the path/method of detection and where its hidden, I can bet its right under our noses the best way to hide something is in plain sigjt, JMO.

Sent from my knox free Note 2 :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nitrate:
(just a side note) as I said before: it would be interesting to know if someone of the members from #f0f is interested in investigating that KNOX / bootloader thing. Does no one really want to know what those guys think about KNOX, the bootloader and any possible exploit related with it?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] valix2fr:
Subscription.

Hello to all.

I pledge 30$ paypal.

If someone is to reset the counter knox.;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ValenteL:
This:

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/security/samsung-knox

https://www.samsungknox.com/overview/technical-details
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
Damn guys looks like we just need samsung to stick to their warranty regardless of tripping the flag.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Wayne7497:
Add $100 from me if someone can do it
[Galaxy Note 3 General] galnet:
Here is Samsung UK’s official stand on the matter:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dear ******,

Thank you for contacting Samsung Customer Support.

I am very sorry to hear that you are not clear on our Warranty Terms. I fear that you are jumping to conclusions based on what you have read on the internet.

I can confirm that you have a Warranty on your S4 for 2 years from the date of purchase. This can only be made void only for the below reasons:

1) If there is any physical damage to the handset caused by the user.

2) If the device has been exposed to liquid

3) If the device has been rooted(by installing your own custom ROM)

If there are any issues with your handset that don’t fall into one of those categories above, you need not worry, especially from news received online, as this can be miss interpreted.

If there is anything else we can help with, please let us know.

Our Customer Support Team love feedback! Share your thoughts on this response by completing the survey at the bottom of this page.

Kind regards,

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Basically they are saying if your screen fails, then your still in warranty, if your battery plays up then again your in warranty, however if the phone should stop working due to rooting or flashing custom firmware and can be fixed by restoring official firmware they will charge you for the repair.

I hope this finally put to rest everyone’s fears here in the UK.

Regards,
[Galaxy Note 3 General] OrangGeeGee:
To anyone with technical knowledge on this: what flags/counters change when you enable KNOX on the device or enable Reactivation Lock and where are they stored?

Those functions are reversible (e.g. you can uninstall KNOX or disable reactivation lock) and if they are somewhat similar to the 0x0 flag, maybe that means that it is also resettable?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bl!GhT:
In other news, baby unicorns shot rainbows out of their butts after they heard this...:D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thecoldest1:
hey noob here so does anyone know if it is absolutely a efuse or not
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
Yes it is.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thecoldest1:
not to sound like and a** but can you show me proof?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
Well there is no physical proof that I can show but chainfire originally discovered it and posted that it's Efuse.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lilstevie:
He said it might be a fuse, not that it is. The jury is still out. The stance I would take is it looks possible to be a fuse, but ultimately it isn't known.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thecoldest1:
yea I understand that but what about the reports of people getting it reset under 10 min and btw they said emmc 4.5 doesn't use efuse
[Galaxy Note 3 General] stocovick:
In a Facebook community called Samsung Galaxy note 3 Brasil.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
Problem is if it is possible to reset it and do it in like 10 minutes you would think there would be A LOT more peeps with proof and tell us where they had it done. Personally I think there is a lot of peeps that don't know from the start that they never tripped knox. Also I feel there are peeps just saying ***t for the **ll of it. Come on anyone who claimed they got it reset by a repair center never shows proof. And where are they now?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Sad to say but It says so right on samsungs website I read it with my own eyes I posted the link a page or two back.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lilstevie:
Because a company has never lied about or misrepresented a product?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
Also I am speaking for the Note 3 community not the S4.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] benito.brazil:
He's a liar! This guy is saying that gained this bounty, inclusive the money from this bounty is already in his paypal account...!

Fdp!rs

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
Lol he just wants attention. We will never see actual proof that he reset Knox and has the bounty?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thecoldest1:
yea I know Samsung says it they'll say anything to make you think you fu*k up but anyways some one said on this site that emmc 4.5 doesn't use efuse http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2504258&page=12

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
What phone model are they referring to?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thecoldest1:
idk what specific model but I know all gs4 uses emmc 4.5 plus ive heard note 3 uses 4.5 too and I know this is a note 3 thread but its my closes chance to reset my gs4 knox so please don't flame me
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
I don't doubt that they are full of ***t they do have the power to lie and get away with it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
The S4 has a way bigger chance of getting knox reset vrs the Note 3. At least the S4 didn't come with knox pre installed.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thecoldest1:
yea I know that but the s4 doesn't have a 3,000 bounty and besides nothing is impossible ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
it just described how the knox warranty bit works and stated that it was an efuse not specific to any one model though I still believe the software part of the trigger can be blocked we just gotta wait.

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I think Samsung engineers are a bunch of ass clowns for giving us the bone like this ,man what a drag this dam Knox!

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Im starting to wonder if it's like virtual efuse ?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] phr3ncj:
like said before, in qualcomm devices, we know that is actually a qfuses (qualcomm efuses) and probably its reference stay in the rpmb. in exynos version the flag itself stay in the rpmb. it has been proven that on exynos is resettable wiping all the emmc with a jtag. now we have to problem to resolve:

1 - find a way to format the emmc via usb or by device itself

2 - find a way to use the flag-in-rpmb version of kwv like the exynos model on the qualcomm version.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] thecoldest1:
so do you think we could reset it for QUALCOMM devices?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nitrate:
You can possibly format the eMMC by the use of Clockworkmod. I can remember and having used this option on my Galaxy Note 1 (N7000). The phone didn't even show the battery picture when it switched off after the format and when i connected it to the power cord to load the battery it didn't boot into "load battery mode" of the bootloader. So I guess the eMMC format option of Clockworkmod does it's job really good. :D Only problem is that after eMMC format there also is no download mode anymore. :(

Edit:

The Clockworkmod from this forum for the SM-N9005 Note 3 doesn't have an internal option to format the eMMC. But I do remember that the one for the GT-N7000 Note 1 did have it included.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] phr3ncj:
for a full wipe (also rpmb partition, write protected as emmc 4.5 standard specs, see my previous post in this 3d or in the research 3d in s4 section) it needs a jtag. btw remember that can also be an online check of knox status using the imei, we don't know atm.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Let's not give up guys its been so quiet around here for a couple days.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pRo_lama:
Deal with it. It won't be possible via USB.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] santij07:
So quite here i can see until now there is no way to reset knox or downgrade to an old bootloader via usb.... :crying::(:rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] luckyboy_103:
I can't understand but I reset warranty bit in my N900 into 0 and successfully install Knox again, after rooting and uploading Rom Cook many times @@
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DON AMIGO:
what ?!

you reset it to 0 many times ?!

how did you do that ?!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
There is no way!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DON AMIGO:
i was surprised jon

from his reply.

i hope he isn't lying to us.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] luckyboy_103:
No, I mean I rooted and upload rom cook severals time but yesterday I restore to stock MJ7 and my warranty bit was reset to 0 @@ I can't understand. So amazing @@ after 10 posts I will post it in detail. May be My phone is diffirent. I don't know @@
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DON AMIGO:
ok

hope what happend to you help the android devs to beat this knox app.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] luckyboy_103:
I hope so, may be I was lucky, I also told it to the members using Note 3 N900 in my country and they was surprised too, but it is truth, I just want to share which i was experienced for the developers in XDA to find out the way to solve this problem.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] 424778940:
can u take a photo in download mode ?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] luckyboy_103:
You can watch my thread here, I shared my story, hope that someone can know that what happened and find out the way to solve this problem :)

The first case reset Warranty Bit in Galaxy Note 3 Exynos N900 successfullyz!!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] PhotoMaster:
I know I'll sound like an idiot, but how do you test to see if the Knox flag has been tripped?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
Two ways. First way is to shut down your phone then boot phone in to download mode. Second easiest way go to the playstore and download an app called Phone Info. I think it's the 3rd line down it will say knox warranty void. If it says 0x0 your not tripped if it says 0x1 your tripped.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] PhotoMaster:
I downloaded Phone Info and happily my Knox counter says it hasn't tripped. If it's not tripped and I do anything further, like getting an OTA update (since I'm rooted), will that trip the flag? I wouldn't think so, but I don't know for sure. I just passed on the last OTA.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Omar04:
Someone have to test that ASAP and confirm if plausible. If happens to be true my friend you won't have an empty pocket anymore. ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Braccoz:
am i missing something or that has nothing at all to do with the knox bit? or is that text different cause it's the exynos variant?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ramsenn:
How can i make this to lure the system so it thinks its not modifed just so i can use Screenmirroring with allshare cast please help
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
Maybe ta helps at least putting the counter back any maybe this is enough for the app (but make sure you have stock recov and kernel...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] st3chn0:
Thread died... Knox is not worth cracking even for $3000+ might aswell switch devices now
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pvinodnayak:
G2
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Omar04:
I don't even care anymore about this. Waiting patiently for HTC M8.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] 424778940:
we can reset or not depend on Samsung use qfuse or emmc to keep the flag

qfuse:

1.

reset is impossible, hardware was damaged.

2.

so how to avoid the checking by bootloader, I think almost chip which have fuse, usually not only have one.

we can crack the bootloader ,let it use other qfuse .

May Samsung costomer service reset Knox bit by the same way.

Someone reset knox flag by samsung costomer service, then take a photo in download mode. This photo shows the [RP SWREV] are different, they should be same.

emmc:

1. 90% it is a flag in emmc and can be reset

2.that is simple, just use JTAG. and I think reset by USB is not impossible if we have sdk or some literature of hardware.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
Is it possible to not reset the Knox flag but for someone write a patch or something to cover up the flag counter text and just change the text to read 0x0?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] W0jt1:
well, i dont know about it but if its efuse maybe there is a way deep in os or bootloader, whatever it is to change it to show 0x0 always, or negate informations from efuse (0x0 will show 0x1, 0x1 will show 0x0), but afaik no one knows for sure if its efuse. i've read that samsung statement says note 3 got efuse, but is it really true? some pages ago someone said about knox getting reseted when phone was repaired (scratch on sim tray or so, wasnt it?) so maybe there is a way to reset knox by either software or hardware. then, we need someone who works in samsung service :laugh:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sheeezy:
Just wait a bit more the S5 is almost here.

With Knox being in S5 and the S5 will be undoubtly popular we might have a chance to get

this damn Knox out of our way.

We simply have to draw more attention to this and with the S5 we sure will.

And maybe we will see pretty fast result as we have seen with the release of the Note 3 with root and 0x0.

Be patient