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[Galaxy Note 3 General] pitastrudl:
maybe on the exynos versions, but i doubt on the quallcom ones. Anyway, samsugn isn't the only mobile manufacturer you know....The S4 is certainly my last sammy device, but im still enjoying it knox free.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Omar04:
Note 3 is my last Sammy device. I've been faithful to them since the S1 but not anymore. I'm looking forward for Nexus 6 or HTC "M8" this time.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
If only HTC and Nexus phones had even semi-decent batteries I think many would do the same.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] davitox87:
This is off topic but just so you know, HTC as well as others have its own security measures..... it's called s-Off (HTC) and its a pita as well. I went from htc to Samsung because of it and now I'm facing this Knox crap..

Every manufacturer wants to protect itself and increase profits and stop abuse.

The grass is always greener on the other side my friends.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I think this pretty much sums up the entire mobile scene discussion right now.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] wilflare:
once KNOX is out of the way, all the custom kernel goodness :eek:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lilstevie:
I really don't know whether S-Off and knox are on the same level. Nothing stops you from installing a custom kernel or rom on a samsung device, just the knox flag will be irreversibly tripped. S-On actually prevents you from doing stuff, You don't just flash a custom kernel and it turns to S-Off
[Galaxy Note 3 General] 424778940:
No , they are not same.

Knox not stop anyone install custom kernel or the other images.

S-on mean bootloader will not allow anyone install custom kernel.

And , just some HTC products can swich to S-off by USB or flash developer's bootloader

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] guitarz:
I'm assuming everyone wants to reset KNOX counter in order to get your phone back to warranty right?

How about when something goes wrong with the phone, flash something bad to the phone that it would not boot?

Thus, service center won't be able to check KNOX status?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pitastrudl:
wiping emmc is an option. I know it would work on exynos but im not sure how ti goes on quallcom.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
The phone does not have to boot. It just needs to turn on into download mode.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] W0jt1:
then we are back to the idea with breaking it with electricity, so it wont even go to download mode. this is also a way, but well, its not so easy as it would need phone to be opened, i dont know if it can be done via usb port.

so here is my question, is there any way to get to download mode and edit it?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Spere:
Someone said putting phone to microwave for a second will do the job, but who knows?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] W0jt1:
it will work and phone wont go into download mode, but i dont think samsung would be so happy to repair/replace phone after such treatment :P

im still waiting for knox resetting or disabling. i updated ota to 4.4.2 as i had always done with nexus, there is update, i install it, but well, now i have note that i cant root without tripping knox :\

if its efuse, its simply a part in circut that is showing 0x0 when working, and when there is no power coming through it, then its broken and shows 0x1. if there really is efuse there may be a way to fix it as a hardware part, but i dont know how big can efuse big and where can it be placed. so i thing best idea for now would be modding download mode to invert knox status or overwrite it to 0x0
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
it is part of the die inside the chip, you will not be able to replace it like a fuse under the cupboard at home ...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Spere:
I don't say you to do so, but if put for 1 or 2 seconds with max power I think all electronics will be dead without any physical damage you could see with eye...

Have you ever heard that if you put strong magnet near credit card that have "magnet line" that card can die and become useless?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
This thread is about RESETTING the Knox counter, not about destroying our devices ...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] celljunkie707:
I've said it before... and ill just throw it out there again.

IMO

The best way to get a warranty with no question of user fault is to take a trusty laptop charger, 65-75w and cut the end off (the end you would plug into the laptop, duh) expose the wires and keep them apart. then just rub the ends over the pins in the battery compartment. you will see tiny archs but it wont burn the device. just do that a few times and the phone wont even turn on to check any knox counters. if we cant replace the chip its because they cant see the chip.

Not that you should or anything but i've done this more than 10 times with different manufacturers including samsung.

"it just wont turn on anymore, new battery, new charger, the lot. It wont turn on"

something like that.

they get it. they try it. then send you a new one.

Can i have the bounty now? lol
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toastido:
Oh look, another fraud post.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oddbehreif:
Thank you. Seriously, this needed to be said.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Guys I know that this is note 3 forum but what does it mean when the knox counter is not there on s4, im still on the first stock rom that it came with and I got it the day they went retail, I have shut down alot of appps or turned them off in application manager that said anything about knox, any ideas?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
No knox counter or does it only show once tripped?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Sorry maybe this is better.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
no knox boot loader ...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Seriously? So if I flashed a stock rooted I wonder if I would be okay ?, when I disabled/turned things off with application manager I do remember clearing cache and disabling or shutting off a little green android that was called SE Linux, wonder if that has anything to do with it?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] celljunkie707:
hey guy, what I eat doesn't make you **** does it?

As a member of this board I have the right to be heard (read?).

With that said, If a MOD wants to chime in and remove or tell people to not post said things then the dude abides.

However, it is my opinion that the very existence of a efuse or other form of "protection" that DAMAGES our devices is in itself fraud.

2 wrongs may not make a right.

but 2 wires makes a device come back new.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thecoldest1:
what?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] maxilick:
LOL go back the previous page, political, opinionated, name calling. All the things that kill a thread.

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Well said, however we are yet to discover if the efuse exists or is it just a triggered security flag,.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pbusanga:
ODIN MODE

PRODUCT NAME: SM-N900

CURRENT BINARY: SAMSUNG OFFICIAL

SYSTEM STATUS: OFFICIAL

WARRANTY BIT:0

There is no mention of KNOX on my EXYNOS 900 international version warranty, though i do have KNOX app of course.

Does this mean i can root without tripping BIT :0. I do not necessarily need to use custom ROM/ Recovery. just want to root standard ROM.

this is on 4.3.

If i want to upgrade to kitkat later can i unroot first or just upgrade OTA and i will be unrooted with BIT:0 still.

Am noob so bear with me. Thanks
[Galaxy Note 3 General] PhotoMaster:
I think Warranty Bit is the Knox Bit.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] paynedave315:
Yes bit is knox keep looking

sent from my amazing Note 3 on verizon
[Galaxy Note 3 General] st3chn0:
Did you use odin to update to 4.3?

To me it seems like when you flashed 4.3 but you didnt select to update the bootloader so your safe for now unless they require you to update the bootloader when they release KK
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rgshah3:
Warranty bit is the knox counter on the Exynos version
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pbusanga:
4.3 comes pre loaded on note 3. my understanding is knox warranty is built into hardware of sd 800 but is not on exynos hence bit: is not as unbreakable as konx warranty in sd
[Galaxy Note 3 General] unisol107:
I wish to agree with u... hope this is the reality because I am stuck with a stock 4.4.2 and could not think of voiding my warranty. My first Note and that too without root.

Sent from my beloved Galaxy Note 3

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Sorry...something wrong with my xda app...it thanks and replies one post backwards.

Sent from my beloved Galaxy Note 3

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Actually I replied to pbusanga.

Sent from my beloved Galaxy Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dral29:
I say go crazy on your note. If you have tested enough i say go for it... I did!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
And it worked?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dermousis:
Can an overclocked cpu, become physically damaged from a long stressed task?

Can jtag or another method read emmc or nand partitions, from a phone with physically damaged cpu?

;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sabriptm:
cant wait.. got knox triggered
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
It may be longer than any of us anticipated, but at least we can root.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mulletmeister:
Why do I feel so discriminated against? The only note three I could buy was the 9005, which turned out to be the one you can't 'tinker' with. Many other models are erm......'knox safe', but not the 9005? Dirty rotten scoundrels...... They wouldn't get away with such blatant discrimination if it related to sexual preference, race, colour or creed...:crying::crying:

I'm going to claim that I'm a single, muslim, disabled, lesbian mother of two who feels that Samdung have discriminated against me for only releasing the 9005 in the UK, and I should be allowed to root and customise my phone how I wish!

For those who don't understand sarcasm or know how to chuckle, get over it. This thread has become so depressing with people chucking accusations of fraud around etc.... As it stated in a previous post, no one is making you do anything. It's their call, so stop stamping your feet like two year olds and throwing your teddies out of your pram.

We are afflicted by Knox, and there isn't a lot we can do about it. Yes, it's unfair that certain models have a work around, ours haven't (yet). It's unfortunate that after many years of successful rooting and romming, we now have to 'damage' our phones to get back the amount of customisation we are used to. There is no 'cure' for the foreseeable future, so you either root / rom or you put up with samsungs idea of what you want.

Rant over......still don't feel any better though.....:crying:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MxFadzil92:
Certainly it's a worse move made by samsung. Though to my point it is pretty useless to own an android phone without the power of rooting. Rooting do carries both good and bad but surely somehow to go on to rooting and stuff requires some general basic knowledge of reading and researching for own understanding. And i believe and feels that due to knox development for note 3 somehow or rather been quite slow and not much development of custom roms and kernels out there. To any developer whom have made it surely deserve to be thanked and appreciated too.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] exstazi:
Atleast for the Samsung S5 release its the providers who decide if the phone gets knox or not...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rebelpc:
Doubt this will help but here is my 2 cents

I've been looking into this KNOX thing. I cant figure it out. Even my friend who is a software engineer can't figure it out. He bought a HTC one and now laughs at me because he can root his phone and install custom roms. Anyways he did give me some hints on how to possibly work around KNOX. These are:

- If it(KNOX) was installed with the new firmware couldn't a new firmware be installed acting as an update and have it(KNOX) removed from the bootloader or disabled.

- Make a custom recovery bootloader like CWM that just tricks the KNOX into thinking any costume rom is a stock rom being installed.

I'm sure these ideas have been mentioned or thought of all ready. I didn't have time to read all these posts in the forum. So i figured i would through my two cents out there.

I'm just curious. If i dont care if i trip the KNOX counter, Can i still install custom recovery's like PHilz CWM or TWRP, nd install custom ROMS freely?

If anyone was curious as to what version of Android you get when you get a refurbished S4 from geek squad. It's 4.4.2. I does have KNOX installed. I saw it by going through the setting>applications manager> all. I did notice that this phone only had two KNOX services( KMLS agent and KNOX store) that had the icon of a yellow shield. My last phone (before the screen broke) had three services with the shield as an icon. There are two additional KNOX services running (com.sec.knox.events.manager and KNOX notification manager). My other phone had two "com.sec..." KNOX services along with some other Knox service running. . I also noticed that i was able to "force stop" and "clear cache" on all 4 of these services. My older phone would not let me. Any time i would try and clear the cache it said i dint have administration rights or something in that order

I also found this website for removing KNOX. I haven't tried it yet.

techbeasts.com/2014/01/17/how-to-deknox-samsung-galaxy-s3-s4-note-2-note-3/
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pitastrudl:
That website is mentioning for removing knox stuff from the ROM, not the bootloader, so its no good....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mulletmeister:
Some HTC one models (Ville etc) all had locked bootloaders. Thankfully you could join HTC's development and get your bootloader unlocked. Admittedly there was a caveat......warranty void! I had many hours of fun with my old Ville. S-off etc and when I killed it (smashed screen) it was running 4.4.2 beanstalk beautifully.

I'm sitting here now having downloaded CF auto debating whether I should or not......I'm undecided about a rom though....Being a Floyd nutter, I like the promise of Echo Rom...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DiRT_360:
Same here, i dont understand why i am scared to trip knox. I had voided many warranties before (all my older devices), and i wasnt even afraid of the situation. It may be that message that appears at the boot every time after you have tripped knox thats keep me scared.

Can anyone explain to me if there is any way that if i root my device and trip knox, i can remove that message at top left of the screen that appears every boot?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] denny1970:
I live on the edge lol steamed right in and rooted! What's done done!!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pRo_lama:
My friend has I9505. Something went wrong and he sent his mobile in to service center. Devices had root, but in DN mode wasn't something custom just tripped KNOX. The result of this repair was that he lost warranty and mobile has not been repaired because of root and tripped KNOX.

I have also I9505, but I'm not worried about tripping KNOX, but it annoys me that I can not do downgrade.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DiRT_360:
Can anyone explain to me if there is any way that if i root my device and trip knox, i can remove that message at top left of the screen that appears every boot?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Omar04:
That message only appears if you have different kernel than stock. Not because of root. So if you root but stay on TW you won't see it unless you flash any AOSP rom or TW with modded kernel.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Keribang3000:
Downgrade to 4.3 and use RDLV

Has anyone tried this?

http://www.thebitbag.com/root-your-...ut-tripping-samsung-knox-security-suite/73295
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Pierreken:
The point of this thread is to have a solution for people who have rooted through other ways and havve tripped the warranty bit. Your solution is for rooting without changing the bit but it does not correct an already changed bit.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
Also it wont work if your bootloader is too new...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Numero17:
if i have a bootloader locked it's work?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pitastrudl:
probably not, and this is not the thread to be discussing this :).

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dhruvit.raithatha:
Breaking the phone.

I own a Galaxy Grand 2, the first android device I own, and I have just migrated from iOS. I would like to suggest something. If we can't fix it, why not just break it down, in a way that would make the device entitled to warranty, and yet keep them from detecting that it has been tampered with. (Such as flashing from /dev/random, or something). One of my friends bought me an iPhone, on the verge of warranty expiry date. I just jailbroke it, and did 'reset all contents and settings' from Settings app. It was stuck in a so-called bootloop (Really easy to get out of). Sent it to Apple Centre, and got him a brand new piece in return. Anyway, so you get the point. Don't know if it could be done or not. Just suggesting.

Cheers.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pitastrudl:
your suggestion is like a bootloop in this thread :D just goes on and on. no offense intended. Just saying that it has been mentioned to just wipe emmc partition and your phone would be rendered useless. anyway not the debate we should be having here :)

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Galaxy Note 3 General] omgpk:
Just got my s5 through sprint, not caring about knox I rooted my phone already :D not worried, im staying on stock with this phone. (Had a nexus 5 before this). Hopefully once the note 3 & beloved s4 are worked out and the bounty is fulfilled (I have faith!!! Even for Qualcomm devices.) That the s5 will be up next :3 oh also have a note 10.1 2014 edition (yes knox is tripped on this also) and I got a tab 3 for free for getting the s5 (not rooting, keeping stock and using for work). Anyways, this is really just a long winded thanks for your work so far, glad to see progress.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Will it ever be solved?..I mean, the Note 4 will be out in several months and no doubt will have even more improved security rubbish.

Think my flashing days are ending. Warranty is more important when I'm spending £600 on a phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] frostmore:
I read on this thread some many moon pages back that "jus use the erase/wipe emmc" option in CWM and boom,the entire phone is gone and u cannot even go into bootloader mode. thus no way in hell to check if your knox warranty bit is tripped.

What i am interested to know is,will samdung be able to check and see if we have custom recovery installed?

if we are not using cwm to wipe emmc,what other software should we be using to do this?

i am very much interested in stick samdung with a phone with no emmc info so they can honor the warranty should i have any issues with their hardware.even though i have tripped knox warranty.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] maxilick:
I see your point, I for one will not have a phone filled with rubbish that I don't use, I very strongly dislike and disagree with the Stalin/communist type dictatorship some phone manufacturers have adopted. Yes your spending 600 pounds on a phone your not really satisfied with. I don't give a flying hoot I'll take my chances and customize.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
I only rooted to try and improve the audio on my n3. Nothing worked because the speaker is crappy and in a bad position. But that's another story.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mahmoud007:
solution

i'v got a solution for your

Sell it with whatever loss !! and buy another brand .

it's the best solution you'll ever had .
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
That's rich coming from you mate. Posting on a thread where ppl are complaining about Knox - you recommend everyone sells at a loss and try another brand then?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mahmoud007:
basically ... yes
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Ok, point taken, don't think Knox is going to be cracked anytime soon, if ever. If I get a Note 4, it'll remain stock, that's my preference in the current situation sadly.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nflo671:
Just got a crazy idea... when we send in our devices, we'll put $50 dollars in the box with a note saying "my knox says 0x0 ; )" lol dont know if bribery will work. Someone should try
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MAFU21:
No news about the polish guy theory. Or it was discarted already?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pitastrudl:
You and your signature pic share a vast amount of irony.:laugh:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lucianus_luciferus:
root or mute

why worry about warranty since you get the phone for free when u take a contract (at least here in uk)

if you want to play with root and roms then just get a warranty from third party companies (i won't name any but you know what i mean) which is 10 times better since it also covers accidendal damage, water damage, theft, breakdown and more and it's something like 85£ a year and you don't need to worry about knox and S**T

you can only kill the phone by flashing crap or physical damage

since you are rooted and flashing roms you should know what you are doing

and since the samsung warranty does not cover accidental damage anyway what is the point? if you spend 500£ for a phone you know you will abuse (software and hardware) then i'm sure you will want to be FULLY covered

if not then stick to stock unrooted, buy a waterproof/dropproof case and do not take it out of the house

:cool:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Olleo:
I don't know, how it looks in UK, but usually there are no free meals. If you get the phone for free with contract, that means, the contract x number of months the contract is signed for = twice a price of Note 3. Going futher - if you buy the insurance for the phone, you will pay something about 30% of normal market price of the phone (here it is possible only at the shop you are buying the phone from) and later on, while trying to get the money from insurance after breaking it down, they will "proove" you, that you destroyed it on purpose and pay you nothing.

off topic - I am repeating my question - isn't it possible to bypass the root in order to get the most advantages of it? I mean I don't need to flash customs - I just need some stuff, like titanium backup, call recorder, silent photo shots and so on - things that are possible only with root at the moment.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lucianus_luciferus:
sorry mate but... :confused:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] chkenwing:
I think what he means is that is there any way to get apps that require root function to work without root.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
Sure you can root devices with knox bootloader without tripping the flag (when you know an exploit for the kernel) - saferoot does that. But the thread is about resetting a tripped bit.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] My1xT:
Just a question. a friend of me says he has some Ideas to get rid of that, but needs a little bit of help, does anyone know how to get in the so-called I2C mode?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Hypercore:
This may seem odd but I have two Note 3s so when I got the second I decided to mod it and forget about KNOX since it wasnt claimable by warranty anyways (its refurbished). I can't trip my binary bit to 0x1. It seems no matter what ROM/Kernel/MOD I install, the warranty bit stays at 0x0. It's gotten me so curious to the point where I'm actually trying to trip it but can't. I did not use the workaround to avoid 0x1 either, I rooted with Odin on the PC with CF-AutoRoot and even tried Odin Mobiles rooting system to see if it would set it. It won't go to 0x1 no matter what. Could this help in any way with finding out how KNOX works? If so, give me instructions on how to help and I'll do it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kiru:
Which version of note 3 do you have? If you have the 900w8 then rooting with cf-autoroot and installing a custom recovery won't trip knox
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Hypercore:
I have the N900W8 but I have tried installing literally everything and NOTHING will trip it. My other N900W8 was tripped when I flashed TWRP. This one was not. I honestly think there's something different about this model, maybe a dump could help if a dev needed one and instructed me how to.