yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nags92:
The fact that it is sounding more and more likely we will achieve this i might just go ahead and flash a custom firmware now and forget about it :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djnoicatse:
Some good news http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=47765738
[Galaxy Note 3 General] yashade2001:
So what do you donating for ?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djnoicatse:
Pretty much if someone can find a solid way in resetting the counter. People pledge donations in finding way to rest knox.

First person that develops a way to do so will get the total pledged donations....that's of course if people don't back out. Lol
[Galaxy Note 3 General] azahoth:
I suspect it will be more a case that knox's efuse gets reassigned to another efuse in the qualcom chip which will show as 0x0, however the Samsung engineer will be able to detect this reassignment if they check.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] _alex74_:
This is officialy Italian Samsung repair Site in Italy for all broken devices... i've get friends bringing phone there for repair.

There's one near me, but ATM i'm out of town for work, will go there for info soon and report what they say.... yes i have KNOX 0x1 AND MAY BE WORTH PAYING 15 euros to see what happen....:D:D

I'm confused how rooting is in Samsung as payable feature????
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dukhan:
lets see if they will fix that up.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Hey everyone I was just in a daze and looked over at my note 3 and thought to myself about the dual micro usb/charging port and wondered is it possible samsung hid something as simple as combination between the two ports connected that switches the device into knox reset mode via certain resistance between the two connections and maybe after it sees the resistance value and possibly switches into knox reset mode it waits for the kiosk software to send a certain low voltage signal that completes the reset this is just a thought I know there has already been speculation about a jtags but what do you all think about this theory? Kinda like module reprogramming on automobile electronic multi function modules they have to see a certain voltage signal on a certain circuit before it switches into reprogramming mode that's what I do maybe thats what the hardware part has to see to switch on?, anyway this is just a thought and maybe it can shed light or maybe not what do you think?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tcntad:
Never thougt of using . or , ? Or atleast more of them. The first sentence is the longest one I've seen..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
:rolleyes: silly me I was just expressing my thoughts in a hurry before I forgot lol!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tcntad:
I know how it is :P

I understood most of it hehe.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DriftorX:
He had a blonde moment... that's all it was. Lol
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tcntad:
Lol, thanks.

/A blond haired (guy)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
It sure is quiet around here:eek:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] TD4:
I'm pretty sure this is within the bootloader, I have a note 2 and when I had 4.1.x there was NONE of this KNOX bullcrap, now i just jumped to 4.3 official and now it's there... keep in mind as far as I know there is no Efuse on the note 2's, on the Note 3 this is a speculation, not 100% confirmed.

So if there's any solution to this ( I'm looking foward to this too ) it might be working on the bootloader itself

just my 0.02$

PD. I DO NOT have a Note 3, just ol' Note 2 and just speculating
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
I concur, my note 2 still has 4.1 rooted bloat free and there is no sign of knox
[Galaxy Note 3 General] cyberprodigy:
What's the chance that there will ever be a sure fire way to counter Knox? I really need to get rid of all this damn bloatware, but I don't want to lose my warranty.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Maroc_Specops:
I would like to warn u about the hazards if rooting with the Note 3.

Knox invention by these south koreans is just a pain for all those rooters inc. Me.

Watch the reactivation lock, it can brick ur phone if u downloaded and installed the wrong kernel. It happened 2 me. Ive lost a brand new Note 3 because in download mode with odin i couldnt get in because it was locked ! The weird thing is it had set off in the security menu !

Note 3's reset their bioses each time. It takes one heck of a good programmer to bypass this awfull but very effective manner of theirs.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] frostmore:
If this finding is true,then knox is jus a hidden failsafe which samsung wrote in to prevent noob flashers from claiming warranty for a bad flash.

and if CF is able to ID the partition where this is sitting,like he did with triangle away,then maybe the devs here can find some work around with this knox bullcrap.

on a side note,why isnt there a law stating consumers have a right to choose what they want or do not want to have in their phones?

if i do not want knox,i should have the right to uninstall it as and when i wish and not be dictated by samsung to say i must have knox.

samsung does not know what i want in my phone and they sure as hell do not have the right to tell me how best to use MY phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ddogishere:
The most naive post I have ever read on XDA......congratulations should be in order....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mikemq2003:
But if I remembered correctly you did buy THEIR phone. Which means that you were happy enough to spend money on the phone. Not Samsungs fault that your plans were ruined when you couldn't do what you wanted with it. They are protecting themselves. I know when the note 2 came out, people sent in their phones because of a bad root and it was warrantied. They lost a bit of money because of that. Now they played it smart.

Now I'm sure that the devs out there will find a way to bypass the Knox much easier a time progresses. We are talking about a phone that is less than 3 months old. Give it time. Better things will be released all around.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] zocster:
a $20 for me too thanks
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Shadowjump:
5$ from me
[Galaxy Note 3 General] deadlyheart4u:
I m looking forth to the same
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Samer Diab:
Well at first let me say the real deal and put all the info on the table .

Knox 0x0 is doable , yes i repeat it is doable as i have good knolage in java which is similar to c++ . Can i do it ? Probably yes .

Why i haven't done it ?

Well the programme used to open bootloader is called IDA Pro , with a wopping price of 3000 us $ and its SDK is for 10 000 us $ , that programme will reverse engineer the boot loader to unredable c++ then take headers of which i can read , si basacly this is more secure then the methods used to open a bootloader as i do not want to brock 5 to 6 note 3's Do i ? , and maybe if i get the progranme for cheap from a retailer , i will ne waiting for the bar to hit 2500$ before i buy the programme .
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
Not to encourage piracy or anything but beside the fact that ida has a trial, for a great programmer like you should be pretty simple to just ask Google to lend you a copy of ida for a few days..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Samer Diab:
Well ho said that i hanet searched LOL , but the ones that i have downloaded / also trial mode will not decompile arm drivers and give out a full binairy .....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dpeddi:
You are trying to decompile mbn? The first 40 bytes of mbn is ram and rom load infornation.You need to set the ram e rom start address, offset of real binary start then find the rom start point then ida start xrefs

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] oofol:
$20 here as well!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] moeburn:
How about instead of everyone demanding that Samsung remove KNOX, we demand that they sell a cheaper, warranty-free version? That way, you can save $100 by not getting a manufacturer's warranty, and then spend that $100 on an in-store warranty. The nice thing about in-store warranties is that you get your device exchanged instantly, right there, in the store. You don't have to wait for them to send it off to the manufacturer to check the bootloader flags.

Who was the guy that convinced the directors/CEO's at SAMSUNG that they were wasting millions of dollars each year by honouring warranties for modified devices? I would imagine that out of every 10,000 devices sent back for warranty, maybe ONE was broken because of user modifications. Isn't their reputation in the Android community worth more $$$ to them, than fixing a few hundred people's Androids that they have no moral responsibility to fix?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] radicalisto:
This ^

The long game for Samsung is to get out of Android to line their pockets(instead of paying money to the mighty G) with their own software aka TIZEN. They don't care about the Android community at all, it's all about the G.P, with not honouring warranties they are keeping their P+L down to an all time low which in turn results in them profiting more.

In 1-10 years time Samsung could find themselves in silimar trouble to HTC and BlackBerry though, so they have to work with the end user to some degree. However as pointed out One out of maybe one hundred/five hundred devices that go back are rooted/tripped KNOX.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] devil snake:
Hey guys,

So I'm thinking of buying the phone. But I want to know what is this with Knox problem.

What are the limitations imposed by Knox that it's so bad for users?

I've read something at Kingoapp root that it voids your warranty as soon as your flash something other than the Odin way, is that all?

So is it just about the warranty or are there any limitations on customization and flashing process?

And if Knox was triggered, will I still be able to use Knox business features on the phone?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ifonuser78:
Once triggered you can't use the Knox features.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] devil snake:
Oook thank you! Nexus 5 it is.

Good luck getting a fix, guys.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] frostmore:
Knox is aimed at the enterprise not mass consumer market.They are trying to do a blackberry server thingy where everything is secured and modification proof.

why would the mass consumer market need something like that??? if they did,they could just get the blackberry and pay for their secured services.normal joes like us have no need for such security...maybe to delete the animal porn on our fones when we lose it but that's all there is to is eh?

my crux of the point is,i bought the damn fone,i jolly well have a say what i want or do not want in MY fone.

knox gives samsung control over MY fone.do you give control of your PC to MS when u use their product?do you not uninstall certain programs from your WINPC that you do not want? or do you need me to remind you of the NSA fiasco??? only this time,on a corporate level.

(http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=47865015#post47865015)

Samsung played it smart to discourage noob flashers from sending in their fones for warranty because of their stupidity.i actually agree with them,but they should also give the ability to do away/unlock/uninstall knox,like the way HTC did with their bootloaders so that we can do whatever the hell we want with OUR phones.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mikemq2003:
Goodluck with that.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djnoicatse:
Donations Updated!!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djmax81:
Nexus 5 you kidding me .???? lol best of luck with it bro....and kindly not post on Note 3 thread .tho
[Galaxy Note 3 General] maniacscorpio:
20 $ from my side ..........only [MENTION=2348906]designgears[/MENTION] and [MENTION=631273]Chainfire[/MENTION] can help...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] stargazer_vit:
From Hex-Rays site:

Pricing

IDA Starter Licenses start at 589 USD or 449 EUR. IDA Professional Licenses start at 1129 USD / 869 EUR.

The price of the SDK

support

plan is 10000 USD
[Galaxy Note 3 General] iceghost1210:
ill throw in $20, i was impatient when it came to rooting. i want my knox back to 0x0
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Samer Diab:
but if you notice something hex do not sell the product its retailed check retailers price's :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djnoicatse:
Donations updated!!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dukhan:
So what do you need now? are you just trying to tell us that i can do it if you give me 20000$ ?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] duboisbrian:
or how bout a root that doesnt trigger knox!!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pvinodnayak:
URDLV
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Samer Diab:
No n , do not start the spamming and bull ****ting mate , please read carefully what i said befire and understand ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] chrisrotolo:
*Cough* *BUMP*

Put me in for $25 for Kn0x reset.

Please reverse the bootloader.

I'm also in on the Bootloader bounty.

Thank you.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] alainlafond:
What a mess!

I came here in a search, looking for a way to root my Note 3 without changing Knox counter... And see this guy asking for a big chunk of money for doing so.

I tought that the things were'nt doing this way here.

Man, if you can do it, cook an app, release it... And for sure, if it's affordable I'll buy...

But stop poluting this thread...

Sorry for saying...

And to the other more than sorry...

Alain
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Girn:
Wake up
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Volrath:
Count me in. $20 to the pile.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] apfelsaftkotzer:
I'm in with 10$, haven't lost Kn0x but maybe in Future!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
These donations are a nice gesture. But most won't cough up at crunch time anyway.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I will :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] frostmore:
I think its more probabe to jus do away knox than crack it.

There are variants of N3 with knox disabled by the carriers,we could just start looking there for answers.

Resetting knox to 0x0 is probably the hardest thing to do right now since the bootloaders are locked and samsung wants to have TOTAL control on how we use our phones.

The best is to uninstall knox and start putting the right stuff in...no more samsung crap knox,no more samsung telling us how to use our phone,bought with our money!!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mitky82:
Here in Bulgaria many people report, after service repair they have knox 0x00. They are software updatet and knox reseted only. Of course they use triangle to reset all other thing, but motherboard is not replaced. I see other reports and here in xda. For sure they have some useful tool to reset.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Iceburgh71:
I'm sure there's something out there. But I think when it does surface, someone is loosing their job. ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] zocster:
I guess you don't know me then. I think this thread should be left to those that want to donate for a cause.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] layercake87:
i would also spent 10 € :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] moto211:
In for $10.

Someone should set up an escrow account with PayPal or something. Then we can all pitch in now and the people working on it have assurance that the money will come through. If no reasonable progress is being made by a set date, it can be canceled and everyone gets refunded.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] radicalisto:
I'm with you on this one!, I'll throw a £10 donation if it can be reset also.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dukhan:
Great idea!

It is almost 3 months since the this thread has been created, unfortunately up to now no one could find a solution.

I think Samsung this time is daring all of XDA developers.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ddogishere:
3 months and still Samsung is winning..... I guess Xda is losing its touch......
[Galaxy Note 3 General] aladdin2101:
If Samsung won this battle, it will lose too much customers for sure :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] arkha:
Already lost me for sure... even if Xda win the battle...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] eybee1970:
they won't lose too much customers...majority of users don't care rooting, flashing Custom ROMs and stuff like this....it' just some crazy people around here
[Galaxy Note 3 General] aladdin2101:
Even with the device design .. they start to be greedy, the silver chrome bezel was replaceable in Note2, it's no longer replaceable in Note3. If you had too much scratches or bezel damage, you have to replace the whole screen. Tooo baaaad :(:(
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tongueman87:
Hell I'm only rooted no knox trip yet but it's killing me not to flash anything. So count me in 20.00
[Galaxy Note 3 General] arkha:
Same thing here!!! Damn my instint to install new roms...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] alesa1988:
Add 20€ to the tab in my name... :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pvinodnayak:
I'm from India on Sprint SPH-L720 on Indian cdma carrier.

Weather 0x0 or 0x1 makes no difference to me. Been flashing since Sprint EPIC 4G, been upgrading from that step by step, now on 4th Sprint Phone. I just make sure I read the whole thread & only when I'm sure this MOD or ROM can be flashed on to my phone I do it. If bricked to a point of no return, only use of it is for my year old son who likes to throw it around to play. Why can't everyone be like that ? Or be responsible & take the blame on yourself for messing up the phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tongueman87:
Well congrats for you for having the capability of playing with money. I dropped 1700 for 2 of the devices when they launched for my wife and I. I have 2 kids of my own and I am the only provider as well but I would see it fit that I am taking responsibility for my device by paying and paying for insurance as well for the devices, as well as other users except yourself feel that as much as we pay for the device and insurance as well as a constant supporter of a company as to almost everything in my house is samsung even all my past smart phones that when I pay for something and purchase extra coverage I should be able to use my device to my liking excluding someone over clocking which I do not do nor under volt that I should not be excluded from my coverage. As well as some of us are being responsible and waiting for a way to not trip the counter and offering a payment for whom ever is capable of producing the knowledge of a break through. So in my opinion which I'm entitled to as well as everyone else find some where else to troll.

---------- Post added at 02:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:45 PM ----------

But back to raising a bounty to help get the less wealthy some help as well as helping a less fortunate genius with money
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MohJee:
You're assuming that knox flag not being reversible yet is due to the lack of incentive, which is simply not the case.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] phyba:
I read somewhere it was flashed to memory so once it's triggered it can't be reset
[Galaxy Note 3 General] odeccacccp:
Whats the big deal with 0x1 ? Isnt it just void warranty which is valid for a year anyway.

What are other software or hardware damaging implications?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Luycks:
Ok, let's suppose we're dealing with an e-fuse as a fact. Only solution not to lose warranty is to permanently prevent the e-fuse to be triggered... So where does the triggering take place? In the bootloader? In the kernel?

Anyway: hope some smart developers find a way to do that!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] cheesekeeper:
I agree - while there's certainly no harm in trying, odds are that the Knox flag cannot be reset. However it's very possible that we can prevent it from being triggered in the first place. A week ago we couldn't root the phone without tripping the flag, now we can. So if we can work out the software mechanism in place which causes the flag to trip in the first place, we may be able to circumvent it. If we can find a way to load custom ROMs or kernels that won't trip the flag, that would be a great outcome and is much more likely to be achievable than resetting one that's already blown......
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Imoseyon:
$20 from me
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
20$ on me :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hashcheck:
I believe it uses efuses so burning one of those is irrecoverable. Efuses physically burn within SOC

so highly doubt this will ever be done. The xbox 360 uses efuses when updating firmware same deal so you can't downgrade firmware
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
You never know until someone does a deeper investigation :silly:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Luycks:
I totally agree!! Let's focus on preventing instead of repairing when repairing is impossible!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
The bootloader must trigger it in the same way previous devices raised the flash counter when a custom recovery or kernel was detected.

Sent from my SM-N9005
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rigosj:
Is it possible to sue Samsung for deliberately damaging our phones by implementing an EFUSE trigger?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] xda_q8:
nothing impossible

i hope to find some work around this issue.

add me 100 USD.

Thank you.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djnoicatse:
The ultimate goal here would be to somehow reset the counter. But let's think of the worst case scenario of it not being able to reset....finding a way for it not to trigger so we can load the custom roms or kernels would definitely be a WIN!!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Totally :highfive:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Yuhfhrh:
Add $20 from me.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Luycks:
I don't know that much about what's technically possible but can the bootloader be replaced by a custom one that doesn't trigger the flags?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tornado89:
This reminds me of xbox360 jtagging :)

The e-fuses were getting blown on dash upgrades to prevent the recovery of CPU key, but the removal of the resistor R6T3,

that supplies the current to blow the e-fuse prevented any future e-fuse blowing
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
You know what would be cool is if they could just rewrite what it says on the download screen. Like replace the text with 0x0 so when they turn it on, it shows 0x0 even though under neith it's 0x1
[Galaxy Note 3 General] odeccacccp:
$20
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Super-Veloce:
I still think Samsung resets the counter with a usb to miscroSD security java card with a file to sign ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tongueman87:
I believe it's in the bootloader as well as the kernel
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Omar04:
Read this guys. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=48330790

Elite Tester
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pvinodnayak:
you got me wrong here dude, my point is that i play safe when it comes to flashing, many dont and thats the main reason for

many hard bricks, who is responsible for it ? like i mentioned in my earlier post "IF" and only if my phone bricks to a point of

no return i cant claim warranty since its a SPRINT phone flashed to a Indian carrier, (MEANS its not yet BRICKED) ? got it ???

IF bricked, since i cant claim, only use of it will be for my son to play with. My point for my earlier post i that i cant afford to play around

while flashing and modding the phone, so i make sure i read the whole thread see and identify all problems with flashing or modding and

only then i flash. even if someone here manages to solve the Knox counter its only INFORMATION for me and i cant use it to claim warranty.

you said it yourself that you cant afford to fool around and you 2 kids to support, so why cant you just be careful and not blame Samsung or the service provider for something you did wrong. what goes around always comes around. God bless you and your family :) i got 2 lil kids too :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tongueman87:
Lol broskii I didn't get you wrong but this is a thread for avoiding knox not bricking, I understand what you mean now though. Just kinda came off wrong cause we are all wanting the same thing. If we brick I agree directions were not followed. I want mad or anything lol just don't feel it's right that we can't have help unless it's hard ware related. I honestly think it would have been better if they only put a eFuse on the processor so if it were over clocked past a limit then warranty voided, and God Bless you and yours and have s good holiday