yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hey_joe:
There's a guy posting on here that claimed he rolled back ( or completely removed can't remember now ) Knox from his Note 2 by flashing a 4.2.2 release. It's irrelevant to Note 3 though as it came out with 4.3 already.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] geeve420:
I don't recall reading that. May look again. ..

Either way, any Sammy phone I upgrade to now will be stuck, much like the note 3 and others are.

Still not giving them any of my money

Geeve
[Galaxy Note 3 General] vim1:
Little update : Its possible by USB on N900 and I9500 confirmed. Will post details in few days ;
[Galaxy Note 3 General] phr3ncj:
now we have only know how to fake data of qfuses!

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Razorbacktrack5535:
ONLY , LOL
[Galaxy Note 3 General] vim1:
Not possible ;) There is no Santa bro )))
[Galaxy Note 3 General] deeppalei:
Only Little ?

Please dear, don't leave shocking info.

if you find something please post the method .every one waiting for a genius. :cool:

i think you understand.

Galaxy Note 3

SM-N900 Exynos :silly:

Knox 0X1 :eek:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djnoicatse:
DONATIONS & OP UPDATED!!!

Just wanted to let you all know that I will be going away on a business trip for a couple of weeks. My computer and internet access will be very limited. I'll try and update pledges as frequently as I can. I hope to hear GREAT news when I return.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dukhan:
OK dad... :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] newxdabie:
please again dont forget note II !
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rgshah3:
Since when did it start working? :eek:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
Triangle away still resets the sammy flash counter but not the knox bit ...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rgshah3:
Warranty bit on the s4 and note 3 Exynos is the knox counter right?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
Don't know. It seems to depend on your Country. I've heard, that in Europe they can't deny warranty because of a tripped knox bit (and it seems not logical to my why installing a different software should void the warranty of a piece of hardware).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mr sharpey:
Because that piece of software [custom ROM], can easily overclock the hardware and damage it. I guess that's their standpoint? :confused:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ryanbg:
An unsigned 4.2.2 build was leaked by ROMup. It was a very very early build and it's only the raw partition images. I don't think they're signed either, so I'm not sure how relevant it is.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ceftriaxone:
Piece of software can not crack your screen or stuck your buttons...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] theLofD:
And besides it is up to them to PROVE that the fault was because of a custom rom or rooting.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] radicalisto:
I shudder to think... Dangerous is the only answer I could give... hell it'd be dangerous for me and I know my way around a phone.

Yup, has to be user friendly, while it may not be wrote in the OP -- it's pretty standard to assume people aren't gonna want to spend money on a JIG or a device which is costly.

Woah, easy up on the liars talk, people making points valid or not does not make them liars. And as posted in this thread plenty of bounties have been paid out full without issue.

Spoken like a true gent :good:

There won't be a pay out until it's user friendly/accessable and judged by recognised developers that it is 100% working across ALL Note 3 Variants.

The Note 3 forum is made up of N9005 + N900 variant users, which includes N900w8 N900* -- Just because it's not in the header does not mean it is not implied, should it be implied? well... let XDA staff decide that. -- A KNOX reset MUST apply to all variants in order to meet ALL the terms, however, if people feel that their device can be reset via this method and they are willing to test they can donate their pledge and have it struck from the main OP.

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To be honest, I think we'll never see this getting reset, realistically it's probably not gonna happen and we all pretty much know this. Currently this thread is just people arguing and it's getting petty now. We aren't children, it's XDA-Developers not XDA-PLAYGROUND.

I'm not gonna get in to an argument with anyone in regards if they agree with my post or not either.

/M

/M
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dukhan:
no not the same..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] anthon:
So why the PC's have warranty? They might have been overclocked.

Do I lose warranty if I install Linux on my desktop pc? And what happens if I create an administrator account (root) on windows?

Why I have to let all the bloatware from Samsung eat my phone's battery and make it slower, it's my phone and i shouldn't lose warranty if I unninstal the apps I don't use and suddenly one day a button or the speaker stops working

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] ceftriaxone:
Agree with you.

I have a suggestion. It probably won't be noticed by Sammy, but we can always try.

We, I will call people on XDA advanced users, are just a small number of all Sammy users. Maybe 0,005%. But people on XDA, especially developers, are doing something great for android community. I bet that all major Android phone manufacturers are glad to have XDA. Tons of useful programs, themes, hacks, etc...are made by XDA members, and tested by other XDA members. They could (it's nothing for them), make some agreement with XDA and offer fixing Knox Void issue, if not for free (for example giving us Software for resetting it-if it is still solution), than for max 10$ :)

Hope that you guys understand me.

We are just drop in the ocean for them, bat thanks to us their devices are being used as smartphones.

So, lets make some petition...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bdogan1912:
Agreed. Let's make a petition about it
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Olleo:
Samsung authorised service denies the warranty repair because of small scratches on the back of the phone - also in Europe, so why not warranty void if rooted?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hey_joe:
Warranty repair denied just because of scratches on the back of the phone? That's the most ludicrous excuse I've read concerning warranty repairs if true unless of course you are trying to have them fix the scratches themselves.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Olleo:
I know this sounds ridiculous but it's true and not that uncommon. Moreover it's not limited only to Samsung. At least I have heard many of such stories in Poland.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] erik077:
What's next? Voiding warranty if you take your phone from box? Let's be honest, Samsung customer service is ****tiest service in world and whatever condition you keep your device on - they will come up with excuse not to cover it. That's why I love sony xperia and their cs (recently dropped my xperia, told them true, they replaced for free). Back to Samsung, great product but worst support and service. I will root mine as soon I get a time to play with it. If something goes wrong I can always accidentally drop him and go thru assurion. Yes I will pay deductible but at least I wont deal with suckers from Samsung.

Sony, please make xperia z1 with both cdma & gsm so I can say "screw you samsung"

KNOX or not do not let them take your freedom :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Omar04:
Actually you lose warranty if you OC or replace Windows for Linux. You need to restore the OS completely with OEM Disk before sending it. But most likely they will repair it anyways. Better if you have Store warranty. :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] deeppalei:
Reminder ::

Hello,

knock knock.

how many days do you have to post the details. everybody waiting for you bro.

u better understand. i think... :confused:

Galaxy Note 3 - Exynos

4.4.2

KNOX 0x1
[Galaxy Note 3 General] leboural:
Hi folks, Do you know how is the cost to reset thé knox flag by Samsung CS ? I ve read 175€ but is it thé same in all countries ?

Thanks

Erwan

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] neoKushan:
I think you're right, we are discussing two different things here :o

Though I have to say, I don't quite agree with this. I get what you're saying about how the hardware can't necessarily be trusted by the Network, but I don't think that's necessarily the point of Knox. Knox is to ensure that the hardware itself is secure from tampering (either from the main OS, or if someone steals your phone or whatever). All that data is encrypted and the knox flag acts as a kind of tamper-proofing, so if you lose your phone, you're relatively safe from someone stealing your credentials.

QUOTE=Sonorus;46606350]

Either way, i think it's just unfortunate that nobody holds Sammy's feet to the coals about breaking the device intentionally with this antifeature. I think under most laws, it would be considered unlawful to refuse warranty for blown fuse which is DESIGNED to blow. If anyone challenges the knox "denials", let me know what precident is set. :)[/QUOTE]

This I completely agree with. Samsung can have all the tamper protection they want for knox, but to refuse warranty service is a joke. If I have a hardware fault, knox is irrelevant.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djnoicatse:
Has anyone actually put up a fight when being refused HARDWARE warranty due to knox being tripped? Just a thought!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
What do you mean? They refuse it because there has been changes to the system that they can not tel where it came from
[Galaxy Note 3 General] spad:
well, unless they can prove that this was the user and not some freaky accident, i guess...

there are rumours that the flag was tripped by some official fw updates. if this is happening - refusal on the basis of knox looks pretty bad...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] neoKushan:
The point is that warranty, at least in places like the EU, isn't actually up to the manufacturer to decide but is in fact a legal requirement. Sammy can tell you to run and jump all they want, but if it goes to court then Samsung HAS to prove that the damage was caused by yourself.

So yeah, while the knox flag tripping might disable Knox, if you have a touchscreen problem (for example), then it's not your fault and legally speaking, Sammy should still fix it. The catch is that I'm not sure anyone has actually challenged them yet.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sonorus:
Agreed, assuming knox is impossible to circumvent, it's a formidable barrier for protecting data when used properly. All i was saying is that this breaks down when someone would use untrusted hardware - but still interoperate with private data using it.

In either case, we are an unruly customer base. We'll find a way to either mask it (by modifying the bootloader so "sammy can't see it" (without taking extra steps which would drive costs to verify RMAs higher)). Odin mode is easy to fool, since it's part of the boot.img. The trick is actually changing the bootloader (for a plethora of reasons, but mostly in regards to secure boot)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Bump to 50$ :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
You know even if they do find a way to reset it, I am sure Sammy will find a way to fix it.

I think that maybe we should set a bounty to change their warranty policy with letting us enjoy rooting and installing custom roms
[Galaxy Note 3 General] neoKushan:
And who would the bounty go to? Legally, we already have that right, all someone has to do is challenge samsung.

I think Samsung are somewhat idiotic taking this tact. The last thing they want is a bunch of extremely experienced hackers tinkering with their secure system - what if we find a way to crack it? Then knox is is worthless. The business they could lose from the enterprise is much greater than the frankly minuscule costs it'll take them to repair our hardware if it breaks (Through no fault of our own, as well).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] erubey21:
$20 here for the Dev.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] danieljamie:
You say through no fault of our own but what about those who have a custom kernel with overclock to 2.7?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Action B:
That could cause damage, typically its heat thats the issue. Luckily, most chips throttle if the heat gets too high.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] neoKushan:
Show me ONE person who has taken Samsung to court over this. Just one. Plenty of companies think they can get around the law by stonewalling customers, you'll find their attitude changes whenever people get legal.

That's a different kettle of fish. If Samsung can prove that the damage was caused by the user then by all means refuse them warranty service for all I care. The point is that Samsung is refusing ALL warranty service the second knox is tripped, even if all you did was install a custom recovery and back up your data. There's a known issue with the touch sensor on the Note 3, it seems to be widespread yet Samsung will refuse knox-voided devices - why?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
Wasn't talking about court. I was talking about warranty after they tripped the knox flag. I read one guy has to pay 290 for fixing it. Which was because he flashed something wrong.

And that's probably why they made knox in the first place. If I was a manufacturer and every time someone wanted to mess up their device and I had to fix it, I would be mad too!

Samsung may be loved or hated right now but the more I think about it, the more I see why they did it.

Sure 85% of us know how to root and flash properly but the 15 who don't, have ruined for us maybe!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] neoKushan:
You might not have been talking about court, but I was. The EU has laws that dictate things like warranties - it's NOT up to the Manufacturer to dictate the rules. They can enhance said warranty if they want, they can offer a better service than the law mandates if they want, but they cannot dictate when warranty applies. This is what I'm talking about when I say challenging Samsung, if it went to court it would be an open and shut case because a software flag does not trump a hardware problem.

Also, Samsung invented Knox for the enterprise, not to get out of fixing broken phones. That's just a bonus as far as they're concerned. You'd be surprised at how little repairs actually impact their bottom line.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
Haha ok!! To bad we all have to wait and see.

I haven't rooted yet nor will I for awhile. It was easier in the past when I could go all out with flashing and knowing I could return it to its normal state. But with this I am Lil afraid my 700 Euro phone might cost me more than I bargained for!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] neoKushan:
I don't blame you at all. I think it's a ****ty thing Samsung has done here. I actually understand voiding Knox and disabling Knox features - that's completely understandable, but voiding warranty as well? That's a **** move for sure.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Action B:
I messed up my secure element on my note 2. Other than that it's not easy to brick a phone if you can follow directions.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] perosredo:
$10
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
It's probably the cost of changing the motherboard. Around 200€. Depends from service to service.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bdogan1912:
Same here, please hurry up! :(
[Galaxy Note 3 General] latouffe:
@up do you know the meaning of a troll? :P

BTW, im totally sick of this Knox. I have the phone for a month now and I can't stand the TouchWiz crap. I want my phone to run a pure Google 4.4.

Its been 4-5 months since Knox and boy, it infuriate me. Never again samsung phone

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] st3chn0:
Actually that's not really true..... even after overclocking and you burn out the cpu you can't really tell as this could be caused by overheating by cooling issues. Also I put cracked software on a laptop which had hardware problems they don't care they'll wipe and put a clean factory image and send it back and replace hardware if needed
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ceftriaxone:
It all depends on service center. Some will repair everything free of charge, others will refuse your warranty. No rules.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] neoKushan:
There are Samsung's warranty terms and the terms dictated by Law. The latter should mean that an OS change does not void warranty and if Samsung refuses, taking them to court will change their minds.

The catch is, nobody's got that far yet.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pRo_lama:
That's bad
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Riskytwin:
Yes

http://m.computerworld.com/s/articl.....1c.1.35.mobile-gws-hp..0.9.2185.JW6U6gh6mzc

Risky's my name
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bdogan1912:
Well, we wait for miracle then.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
I remembered an article in which one of Samsung's VP talks about cf-root - https://www.samsungknox.com/en/node/617

He said that "The sole purpose of this fuse-burning action is to memorize that a kernel or critical initialization scripts or data that is not under Samsung’s control has been put on the device.

Once the e-fuse bit is burned, a Samsung KNOX-enabled device can no longer create a KNOX Container, or access the data previously stored in an existing KNOX Container. This is a mechanism to ensure that enterprise data will be protected as long as the rooting attempt is detected."

They can't understand that the great majority doesn't have sensitive enterprise data on their phones.

But also they don't allow a knox container auto-delete when a custom kernel is loaded (you can't access it anyways) and consequently an auto-reset of the knox counter when all is stock. (although from his last paragraph this is implied as given)

:banghead:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dpeddi:
If after flashing stock firmware knox bit go back to 0 and i could use knox app again, knox framework would be acceptable for me...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] pRo_lama:
Nice dream. :D:laugh:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] _alexndr:
Sorry, you need to wake up :D

BTW

I also spent a lot of time - searching for downgrade bootloader methods

Last results - HARD BRICK :( luckily managed to bring back to life
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
I think when they talk about knox 2.0 they primarily mean the knox applications running inside android.

From the security point of view I can understand that the knox bit isn't to be reset at home by flashing, you could manipulate everything and break the security chain.

What's not okay to me is that they connect the warranty to the knox bit. Everybody who don't care about BIYOD should be allowed to flash custom roms or kernels or root the device without loosing their guarantee.

And - a reset by samsung for a little fee should be possible. They could secure the device themselves again by clean install so one still could sell the device to someone who cares about BIYOD afterwards.

best regards
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tkaragoz:
I decided an XDA user would find an exploit or other solution to bypass that mechanism.

We know that many security protections have voided like PS3's or iPhone's.

Especially, PS3 has powerful security mechanism but it destroyed.

I believe that this annoying thing will be solved but we will wait more than I thought.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] iz1pp0:
The only problem is that GeoHot don't has a note 3 xD
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nitrate:
It's not that easy as you might think. I for myself thought that the guys over at Fail0verflow might be interested in this KNOX related thing since they have the knowledge I believe. They are also the guy's who explained the PS3 hacking at 27C3 back in 2010 at the chaos communication congress (very interesting technical informations were revealed).

Last year, they explained how they partially hacked the Wii U at 30C3 which was also full of very interesting hardware and software / memory informations as well).

They even did manage to exploit the Wii back in 2006.

If we could get their attention then maybe this KNOX story will come to an end one day. But I think they possibly are busy with their own projects.

Try contacting marcan42 or sven42 @ twitter. I did once before but never got an answer.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] ghibli3:
I also hard brick with downgrade bootloader, but i think that this would be a method....make hard brick voluntarily and restore with image of old firmware without blocked bootloader...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Riskytwin:
I've lost faith in resetting knox.

After all this time and with good devs here on XDA still no a solution...

Risky's my name
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Screw knox and Samsung I went to pay my bill at the local tmobile store and I was checking out the lg g2 and I really like the clean look , no stupid home button and no stinkin Knox, F U Samsung and your knox, you take our money but you have no loyalty to the users like ourselves just like any greedy multi billion dollar company you only support big corporations but have no problem taking our money, I bet if users like us quit buying Samsung device's it would put a nice dent in your gross sales revenue is that what it would take because I'm moving on screw Samsung.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] WormsCH:
I read a lot of thing about this KNOX (I'll maybe repeat something, or I'll maybe say something wrong, I'm not in the field :/)

The Knox Warranty Void on SM-N900, N9000 and I9500 isn't based on Qfuse (Exynos models) so, it may be a way to really reset it to 0x0

On N9005 and all other N900xx (Qualcomm Snapdragon models) the KWV seem to be on Qfuse, and when a Qfuse is burnt, it's physically burned so there is NO WAY to switch the Qfuse "on" again. One way to “reset” the KWV is to tell to the bootloader that the Qfuse is somewhere else or manage to act on the registry who read the value of the Qfuse before the start of the bootloader, and I don’t know if it’s possible. Anyway, Sammy will still be able to detect if the Qfuse has been burned.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, and sorry for my English ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thekoRngear:
I have a question out of curiosity. If this Qfuse is physically burned what would be the consequences using the phone that way? I meant if the burn does have any impact on the phone's internals?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] WormsCH:
Normally not. Efuse/Qfuse are made to be burnt if needed. On each main version bootloader update from samsung a Qfuse is burned (and that increment a counter) it's why we can't downgrade to a lower bootloader.

a Qfuse is like a "one write only" memory
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mahmoud007:
dude ... you ever heard of diode or anode or cathode ??

there is "NO" any kind of fuses or Qfuses inside your device that burns !!

electrically burn means path cant transfer any electricity anymore !! which means some hardware's "will" stop working for lack in power or completely shut !!

other than that this method is illegal in devices even if it was made by Samsung !!

but if you meant by Qfuse is a diode breakdown voltage ... then theoretically might be true .. and its not illegal because that Qfused piece will be still give electricity but not same as before .. if its that way on samsung devices .. then the once whom trying to reset counter are screwed .

because there is no solution than replacing that piece .

but i hardly believe that samsung had followed that method in there devices .
[Galaxy Note 3 General] WormsCH:
As I said, my english isn't too good for explain correctly things.

A qfuse is not a full Fuse who'll blew up and damage the phone, it's just a little piece who can be placed inside the cpu or on the motherboard and when it "burned" act as a "0" bit
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bakakun028:
I don't think this thread should be a place for rants...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
L

Honestly I don't take it as a rant I feel that it was very informative. He isn't yelling at anyone. He is just explaining with great detail and graphics so every one is clear what efuse and qfuse is. Some of us could have taken the name of efuse and qfuse and think it's just a name of a chip and not think that it actually has true fuses in them that burn the circuit completely. His info has validity and everything to do with this conversations of this thread.