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[Galaxy Note 3 General] karma4eb:
knox 3 warranty solution

although it wont solve knox reset. I have a solution for the phone replacement. Lets say you damage your phone, brick it or whatever the case, instead of using insurance for damaged phone which possibly wont get fulfilled if phone is rooted. Why not just tell them you lost the phone? then theyll send you a new one. Then youd have 2 note 3's.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kevinrocksman:
Well for 1 that would be fraud and that en would not be clean
[Galaxy Note 3 General] its the peanut:
Its not only samsung, also google.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] salemsnake:
Why the biggy on samsung Knox, non of my samsung high end devices ever broke, my dad has an s3, my Gf s4, me and my brother had note 1's and now I have a note 3....none of them ever broke
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
Samsung's KNOX is already much better than HTC's official bootloader unlock to do ANY sort of root method, on legacy HTC devices with barely any development, you singlehandedly give your UUIDs to HTC, as well as IMEI and other things over the web. They will have your IMEI recorded down as tampered and will refuse to fix it just by checking your IMEI over the phone or over the web. With Samsung you still had RDLV, Towelroot and MOP hacks, bypassing KNOX entirely.

.....which is also why this is my last Samsung phone, I was blessed with an N900W8 perma-0x0 device and I believe it's fate that decided I should stop buying overpriced plastic with unfriendly bootloaders and instead go for OnePlus line! :p
[Galaxy Note 3 General] brando56894:
Screw all this Knox crap, I'm going back to Motorola in about a month when the initial bugs are worked out of the new X. My girl's Note 3 is on AT&T and is so locked down that you can only run TouchWiz ROMs on it! Mine is on T-Mobile so I can do whatever I want with it.

Errrnt! Sorry buddy but you're wrong, I initially did the HTCdev unlock on my Rezound and then months later did the S-Off hack and ended up frying the radio and got it replaced. This may have been because Verizon is stupid and I did it through them and not HTC, but you can get it replaced because carriers are stupid. Since this is the case I'm sure anyone that goes into a carrier store, on a stock firmware with an issue (but the phone still powers on) will get it replaced regardless of Knox status.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
No....I have a whole article about it. Many people have different experiences but doesn't mean I'm wrong. Also you can't go to a carrier to replace your phone in HK, have to go to the official service centre.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1652197

If your phone can't power on you can't prove you lost KNOX warranty. However HTC can check whether they want to or not...here I even wrote up a guide back in the day

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1860952

You sacrifice your own UUID just for unlocking. Thing is, HTC One X took forever to S-Off, if it even got S-Off'd....I sold it long before.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sudo77:
No! You're wrong!! Just kidding. So, basically I am to understand that HTC do use IMEI verification to check tampered devices. I still think IMEI alone is not good enough to validate anything. Because, if I had a secondary phone, I could just "borrow" and write IMEI from it and fake the identity. But since it is also accompanied with a UUID that is the device token identifier I presume, makes a greatest difference. Regardless, it is interesting the length you guys go through just to unlock BLs. :eek:

Also, do explain how you manage to "perma-0x0" your phone to which I'm deadly curious >.>. I believe in fate somewhat, but I think it is your logic that has influenced your decision. Try not to hate Samsung phones because it is made of plastic, but because of what Samsung has done to it to make it so user-unfriendly. (Unless you really do hate plastic) I really like Motorola as well, they make good products imo, but I hear they also use fuses in their BL.

At the end of the day, I'm getting really tired of Knox, fuses, and private data collection (that includes all of Android owned by Google). I really don't know what to use for my next phone. I used to be very close to Nokia, but Symbian is dead. Apple perhaps? But their proprietary-ness is not my type. Goodness, I miss young Android and Linux.

Damn it Samsung, I thought we had something together, apparently its not working out between us ... :crying:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
The perma-0x0 Note 3 I have is actually just a whiff of good timing and good luck and not all exclusive. The N900W8, Canadian Variant of the N9005, had a leaked development firmware of which was used to write the Canadian version of the Mexican N900W8 firmware. As the 4.4.2 firmware was being ported over to the Canadian devices, the most logical explanation is that the Mexican N900W8 developers had to disable all the security in the bootloader detection of tampered software. This is the so called NA2 firmware leak - which allowed for you to do anything you want to your device and have perma-0x0. When the NB7 Canadian officially came out, first 4.4.2 firmware for the Canadian region, the bootloader detection wasn't reverted back however downgrading to any previous software build will cause a trip.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sudo77:
My, fate is certainly kind to you. LOL So that explains why you are able to TWRP, root, and custom without tripping Knox as stated in your signature. I always thought something was funny. Normally impossible, not in your case. If theory is correct, you are still on NA2 bootloader, and if it was SIGNED without security components there (hash checking, fuse blowing), it is unique, but it works. You didn't update the BL since then, correct? It is similar to the SM-N900 reset but for Qualcomm.

I want a copy for experimentation! My little lab rat. heh heh heh :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
That's correct. Many people accidentally updated to NB7 because they didn't do searching - hence you lose Invulnerability status, as I like to call it :D

I'm still on NA2 and never updated.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mobilexpert:
that "fuse" doesn't need essentially to be hardware one. it can be some bit into non-accessible area knox virtual partition, or some other area, not accessible via adb ....

that last one sounds reasonable and logical.

about imei, NO, I don't believe it's changeable, because it's NOT. (except if someone have Samsung's private RSA key for signing).

mac address of wifi/bt modules on mobile phones are NOT burned onto modules itself, it's software assigned mac for both of them.

(although, rumors are floating, that soon will be possible to buy "super-imei" via guys working at Samsung - aka. underground black market)

even direct unlocking is possible, after few steps of authentication with phone, and writing pre-defined simlock zone,

after which, sim-lock code becomes 00000000. (I know this because I'm unlocking all those new models via private, credit based software).

p.s. for this method ... software reads unique MSL password for that particular phone, from Samsung database.

now off topic part, showing just my personal experience, not intended to offend anyone:

regarding plastic ... I don't want to argue about that. it's just my point of view, those phones are overpriced from my angle, and that's all,

painful fact is also, they become worthless after less than a year. since I live in a "third-world" country, that point is very important one.

I don't want to have overpriced "plastic toy" phone, that's after 6-9 months worth half the money I paid it,

neither I will stick with producer that makes few new models on weekly basis. thats' pure "take money and run" politics,

leaving end user with zero-valued high-end phone, after new one is on the market, after ~3 quartals (less than a year).

b.r.

Alex.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sudo77:
You confuse me with your reasoning, and I think in turn yourself. Now I don't want to give misleading information, so if anyone is more knowledgeable please try to back me up. Argue accordingly, because I want to get this straight.

Firstly, I think you are confused between, regular read/write protection and One-Time Programmable efuse. In regular read/write protection (in my theory on Exynos model) data is stored in write-protected area in emmc. It can survive data formatting, but data can still be written to/erased from that area IF AND ONLY IF it is authorized to and write protection removed. On the other hand, a efuse is blown by forcing an electrical current that permanently causes a "physical" hardware change in the chip (based on what I understand from the reading). What is clear is it cannot be modified again, ever. Its state can always be re-verified with software. There is a difference.

Regarding IMEI, you cannot deny that fact that there are blackmarket tools as you mentioned that can change number. I was mainly arguing about IMEI

AS A VALIDATION VALUE

. I don't look at whether the actual number has been changed or not. It doesn't matter. The sensitive state of IMEI is the reason it cannot perform this task well. If IMEI falls (0049) how can you register to the network?? Nevermind using it to verify your device identity. WIFI? Then, how are you going to fetch the true IMEI to the server?

Of course you can software assign MAC address, but every single networking device that connects to the internet needs a unique identifier in order for them to communicate properly, and you cant go randomly assigning them. Mismatch hell. I need another information source for me to accept this, sorry. It seems my instructor spent too much time BURNING this fact into my head.

Lastly, regarding plastics. I only debate with facts not opinions, logically. I will leave the marketing politics to you, but I agree with you on the take money and run policy, as it is pretty common.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mobilexpert:
whatever, my thoughts are that it's not real eFuse, and that it can be resetted.

regarding imei ....

it can not be changed to some desired number, but only on already-existing one. why ? because cert's that are paired with imei part,

can be read and written to another phone. (QUALCOMM models only read/write, EXYNOS model - read only).

resetting efs, screws cert - no cert, no valid imei.

regarding MAC .... relevant just in case that two identical MAC's try to connect at same router.

beyond wifi router, that mac is no more present on the internet itself, but mac of wan interface on your router.

of course, by RFC standards, serialization must exist, and not two same mac addresses should exist.

(I saw Chinese wifi pci cards, pack of 10 cards with same mac, another 10 with different same mac etc. :D )

this story is already networking domain .... totally off topic.

regarding last thing .... well, we all have our standards.

i do cell repairs for around 15 years, and saw too many damaged Samsung phones,

so i know them enough from "inside to outside", also know them enough from technology side,

to call them like earlier. again, just my personal point of view.

if you are satisfied with that build quality - I'm happy for you. no irony, no sarcasm.

b.r.

Alex
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sudo77:
I don't mean to criticize you. Just some of your facts seem odd to me. If you expect an OTP fuse to be resettable, then it isn't a fuse you are thinking about to begin with. Simple, in terms of purpose of functionality.

If I went with you on IMEI, screwed cert> no cert> Invalid IMEI > No means for it to validate anything. Done.

10 CARDS WITH SAME MAC??? What kind of networking infrastructure are they running?? It's not only about standardization, it really wouldn't work that way. If you had a router, and it was instructed to send a unicast (not multicast or broadcast) packet to a unique single host, but lo and behold, it finds 10 devices with the same unique identifier (does that makes sense to you?) how can the poor thing forward the packet? Flooding much?

If MAC addresses could be easily changed, what is the point of dynamic IP addresses? That is why as you say each

network interface

requires a unique identifier, and that number should be kept to perform validation amongst other information.

If experience teaches you that, then I really must insist you believe in what you know. But excuse me if my standards are not high enough for your tastes. LOL Look at what you make me do, ranting OT. No more, I will try to debate on Knox only now.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mobilexpert:
I don't want to explain here why I believe its not real fuse. I saw something (that is being already reported here on forum),

that makes me believe so. (phones that visited Samsung repair centre, with 0x01 knox before visit, and 0x00 after visit).

board remained the same, not swapped, since it was manually "marked" to be recognizable.

imei thing works just as I wrote. no imei change to some "own" number. just imei's that already exists, and can be read and written to other device. period.

yes, 10 cards with same mac. all working normally, on same adsl wifi routers of same network operator.

I already wrote how, and why. after wan interface is passed, it doesn't matter internal mac of source device. (of course, 2 same cards on single router don't work)

again, you should believe what you want. or you can try simple test - if you have some friend on same ISP as you,

which have router behind his operator, visit him and set up same mac of his pc like yours.

both of you will still have working internet.

as much it sounds like a joke, it works. period.

p,s. again off topic, sry for that.

p,s,2 if you think that a mid-aged man like me came here to debate about trivial things ... well that's defintaly not my standard. like cheap plastic phones are defintaly not.

b.r.

Alex
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sudo77:
To the bitter end eh? If you have something you want to explain, please do, or how can anyone understand what you mean? Regardless, I find that I have to keep repeating myself for people to understand. KNOX IS RESETTABLE WITH PROPER CONDITIONS. It be very very easy for Samsung to write a small program to reset Knox, Exynos or Snapdragon, blown fuse or no fuse, because they have the proper keys to modify and SIGN the bootloader. Will Samsung freely distribute them? No (discussed). Is it leaked? Yes (we've seen evidence). It is hard for devs outside of Samsung to hack the bootloader? Yes.

The original point of debate was: Are OTP fuses resettable? NO. You also shouldn't trust the information without knowing the following: What is the device model? or What is the software revision it is running? and then study it accordingly.

How did we get from debating the changeability of MAC address to proving that an unorthodox/inconsistent method of letting devices with same MAC addresses communicate with each other?? Granted your method only works because the ROUTER MAC separating the networks is DIFFERENT from the DEVICE POOL which are all the same. WAN/LAN doesn't matter, MAC should never the same on any two devices communicating with each other. The network is designed to be naturally redundant, should inconsistencies occur, it will still work. To avoid that only IEEE can approve assignment of MAC addresses to ensure they are globally unique. It is not difficult to virtualize your scenario but to what point and purpose?

Back to the issue, MAC is similar to an OTP fuse. They are hardware-bound and therefore resilient. You can erase the OS which can mask both a fuse, and spoof a MAC. Once it is erased, the true nature of both items still shows.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] exprxp:
N9005 -> JTAG via microSD 4.4 Bootloader -> pass

It shows KNOX 0x1, coz booted from eSDcard

As soosn as flash pass it rebooted byitself then show me KNOX 0x0

SO, KNOX trigger on emmC installed? or CPU?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sudo77:
Explain more, too short. I don't understand. Did you run OS (Rom) from extSD? Or flash Rom from there only?

Second reboot without extSD?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] alexxandrepeixoto:
My IMEI is gone some help here??

Yesterday my Galaxy Note 3 SM-N9005 was working fine, but with some randon Reset Loop then i solve to install an Stock ROM " N9005XXUFNG2_N9005OXXFNG2_SEE.zip " and all works fine but Randon Reset Loop is back again, when i was playing, or reading on the web or just was nothing to do their Reboot alone, i do all Wipe's but nothing changes, i try to install this ROM " SWC-N9005XXUGNG1-20140915174839.zip " Switzland ROM STOCK i just received an FAIL on ODIN Screen, just in the end of all process, before this i Download my oficial Stock ROM " TIM MOBILE BRAZIL " " ZTM-N9005VJUENB4-20140321171942.zip " and Flash again but now my email and S/N "serial number" is lost, what can i do to solve this cause if i back to repair maybe no more warranty cause KNOX is 0x1 Warranty Void.

And i not rich to solve this problem paying on assistance here on Brazil, please help, Before all this my system was with some bugs and low when i play some games and now i just want to back up again my imei, i haved an Backup CWM but i accidentaly erase from my SD card and now before to use RECUVA in my SD card i backuped again but not works cause MD5 is not correctly with some files is corrupted, then i dont know what can i do.

Please helps me.

:(:(:(
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Uhhhh.....what?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] exprxp:
I created JTAG microSD card with Bootloader oficial only.

On my SM-N9005 i was running latest OS 4.4 not rooted, genuine from Samsung.

Then I short resistor JTAG to launch the phone from extSD

Then on my screen i was able to see Download mode- Boooted from extSD and message like, abnormal boot, knox 0x1

Acording to Samsung JTAG process I did 100% the same.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mercyisfortheweak:
did they found a way to put back the KNOX warranty? it's almost a year and I'm still hoping i can reverse my KNOX to 0x0:fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sudo77:
Okay... So you created a JTAG SD with the official bootloader only... and booting from it, you see a tripped 0x1. Are you asking me why? The way I see it, you shouldn't force the bootloader on it's own because it also checks for other components together (image and recovery) for example. But being on it's own, they do not exist (invalid). That is why it tripped.

Then, you also say, after reboot it went back from 0x1 to 0x0?? That shouldn't happen. I am not knowledgeable with the use of JTAGs, beyond debuging and ic communication I don't understand it's purpose. What the current Knox status now? 0 or 1?

If you did manage to boot a system from extSD (quite interesting) you may have created a sort of "safestrap" whereby the main system isn't touched.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sudo77:
I agree... What??? This serves a reminder for users... you CAN'T downgrade the bootloader once you upgrade. It's locked. You need to try to get back to your stock BRAZIL TIM. But that was built on 21st March 2014. EFS part update since that time? Since you mention CWM, your knox is tripped. Explain this clearly... -> Is your IMEI lost? OR only email and Serial Number? Because they are two different things...

Also this is not a support thread actually, but I will try to help you this once.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] exprxp:
SD card I created with official BL only. 8GB microSD card, then I opened the phone and dshorted one of resistore on main PBA next to eMMC.

Whilst is shorted it will power up from the extSD and will show you KNOX 0x1, as soon as u release resistor and restart the phone it will display knox 0x0, i never root my phone and never had it like triggered.

So when phone poers up from the extSD it cant read KNOX status. So What I think knox status integrated inside of eMMC.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sudo77:
Ah, I see what you are doing. So you are testing the bootloader isolated on the microSD, while shorting the resistor to check that state of emmc. That's awesome. Let me tell you what I think. Both N900 and N9005 will have the status of Knox in emmc as a software check. The only difference is N9005 should blow an efuse (I really hope this is not true). Where I do not know/nor do I have the resources to prove it (CPU or emmc itself).

However, it can be tested. If everything resides on emmc itself, if you replace it, Knox should reset on N9005, when you reinstall the system. But if it turns out that Knox still hasn't reset when it is replaced, it can be in another location as well such as the CPU. The evidence of an efuse would be greater. If you have a better method to test this, try. Perhaps your current test is not enough to check for fuses? Regardless, I like the way you approach things. :good:

Perhaps you can assist me with resetting Knox on my N7100, later of course. :laugh:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] alexxandrepeixoto:
Then i, just reinstalled my oficial "stock ROM" TIM, 21st March 2014, but EFS is not restored and my IMEI just show's me "UNCKNOW" my IMEI SV too, and Serial Number is " f5c0b2af " and Status Device is Oficial.

My Kernel is:

3.4.0-638180

dpi@SWDD5608 #1

Fri Feb 14 18:23:54 KST 2014

And now is with some bugs, like:

When i Unlock the screen with Slide the screen crash with error or dont unlock and fade off.

My Camera is not working no more when i try to open, my Note 3 shutdown and restart.

All system with no SOUND and when i try to press Volume + system hangs with some error or just back to dashboard.

Some Games like Angry Bird is not working, but Real Racing 3 is working fine but some glitch on first run, when game say to press Camera Buton all game Hangs until i press this buton. But playable.

I Call for Samsung Support and i will try to back on Assitance Technicall to any solution, but no hope maybe.

I saw an similar situation with an Galaxy S4 when their IMEI dont works all system was crazy too.

I Know one black market from here where i lived on RJ their uses Octopus Box to restore EFS IMEI and do this so fast for a good price.

this will be my last hope.

But I want to take the samsung too, because I do not think it is normal the phone keep restarting or locking yourself into the official firmware without anything installed. and thus already about 2 months.

Thanks for the support staff, as the friend said earlier: that be a lesson to those who do not like reading feed of posts, in my case I just did not pay attention when I installed a different version of the ROM because I did not think downgrading ROM also affect the BOOTLOADER, I thought bOOTLOADER be installed separately as we do with the Kernel installation and Recovery menu.

i Try to take some pictures using my RAZR D1

Here on my Facebook Album is Public to see:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sudo77:
Woah there, relax. I want to make sure your problem is not software related. It sounds like your ROM may be corrupt. Do this first, to check. If it is hardware, then you should consider taking it in a repair shop for a look.

1.) Go to sammobile.com and create an account. (I find their ROMs to be trustworthy)

2.) Go to http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/1/ -> (Smartphone > Android > SM-N9005 Note 3 > South East Europe SEE)

3.) Download the latest (top one) [Make sure its not interrupted]

4.) In Odin 3.09, Make sure ONLY "Auto Reboot" and "F. Reset Time" is checked.

5.) After md5 check, try flashing, and LET IT FINISH. Green "PASS" will appear.

If it fails report back here, and return to stock. Since you explain SEE works for you, I suggest you try again. If my thoughts are correct, it will update efs and IMEI should return.

You have friends who can fix IMEI? How resourceful. If this doesn't work again, I suggest take it to service shop and let them look at it first before you debate about price. Alright? Good luck.

Oh, and your right, usually bootloaders are separate I think. But ever since Knox, they've become somewhat "bound" together.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Armazia:
I am wondering how many phones have gotten useless due to people(Who didn't read enough) who forgot to backup efs :p

On topic;

Its really weird with such a high bounty we haven't gotten many steps further. We still don't even know if theres a efuse. That absolutely amazes me..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] exprxp:
N7100 I did change of eMMC -> KNOX reseted 100% checked

KNOX status in RPMB partition of eMMC