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[Android Apps and Games] sasbibic:
Personal Anchor Alarm (PAA) is maritime anchor watch. It is different from any other known Anchor Alarm. Safe area is not a circle and no radius around the anchor point is requested; you just draw a virtual polygon around your boat. Using advanced algorithms PAA is designed to use as little battery as possible and still provides supreme accuracy and safety. It runs as background service, so no phone call or incoming SMS will put it on sleep. PAA is a valued member of Your crew, providing additional safety while laying on anchor at night.

PAA usage process also distinguishes it from other similar apps. Unlike other apps PAA does not require any app interaction during anchoring. You can fully concentrate on anchoring process and you start PAA only when anchoring is completed. Anchor position is completely irrelevant. You just start PAA, put phone or tablet on desk and wait few minutes for PAA to plot floating area of your boat. Then you choose the safe area (depending on map reference and visual perimeter scanning), plot polygon points (vertices/corners), check distance and bearing to each point and activate watch mode. Done!

XDA:DevDB Information

Personal Anchor Alarm V2, a App for the Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Active

Contributors

sasbibic

Version Information

Status: Beta

Created 2013-10-17

Last Updated 2013-10-17
[Android Apps and Games] sasbibic:
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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] armandino:
Hello..

i have question regarding my gt-9505, sammobile released jelly bean 4.3 for galaxy s4. I'm using 4.2.2 firmware XXUAMDK, is there a proiblem to install this verson of sammobile:

Model: GT-I9505

Country: Open Asia

Version: Android 4.3

Changelist: 1840064

Build date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 23:29:05 +0000

Product Code: OLB

PDA: I9505XXUEMJ3

CSC: I9505OLBEMJ2

MODEM: I9505XXUEMJ3

Download: I9505XXUEMJ3_I9505OLBEMJ2_OLB.zip

IN ADVANCE
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZettaHertz:
Hi armandino

To know what is happening please read the below thread:

[Q&A][i9505] Knox Q&A / Discussion Thread - ask questions here!
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Panneer Selvam:
POST 3

1.Recovery.img File Download link...>>>recovery.img

2.Terminal Emulator_1.0.53 Download link>>Terminal

3.Recovery Manager_0.37 Download link>>>Recovery manager
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Panneer Selvam:
POST 4

How To Install

​

Method 1: From PC

Method 2: From Phone

Method 3: From Phone Via Terminal
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[Miscellaneous Android Development] mrzakir:
Hi Brother,

I have philz touch 6.25 on my Samsung Note 2 N7100

Earlier I had twrp 2.7 installed and I backup my stock rom thru twrp. I tried wiping and flashing a custom rom but something went wrong don't know what however I was able to update my phone with philz touch 6.25 which acted as a saviour. I could flash a custom rom but when I tried restoring my stock rom via the custom restore option it didn't work for me.

I read that I can restore my twrp backup via philz touch.

I will really appreciate if someone can help me with restoring method.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] cyaclone:
Where are the backup files stored?

Instructions indicated that they are /storage/extSdCard, but they do not appear to be there.

What is the trick to find them?
[Miscellaneous Android Development] kungzila:
Does this recovery has backup compress and fix permissions ?
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] jaiong:
Anyone using the Gold Batteries from Ebay, (like linked below)? How's its Performance?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181192785200?var=480263740550&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Pls share acceptable quality batteries used and tested.
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] zzappo:
That eBay Gold Batterie I never tested but I have one Gold Batterie that I buy in pixinf.com store and it is very good. It have almost two times the original battery duration. I recomend. :good:

I think are fake gold batteries in the ebay and other sellers. Is better you try to find a reliable shop.

Regards
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bizzuu:
I installed 4.1.2 9.8.2O-124_SPUEM-14 IMPROVE_Light_XT910 on my device. The big problem is Wi-Fi, I can't turn it ON at all. I only see "Turning Wi-Fi on..." message forever on the sceen and that's all. Any suggestions?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] zakk87:
Did you tried Wipe data?

Wysłane z mojego XT910 przy użyciu Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid RAZR] nijom:
Wipe it. If it didn't help, change the ROM.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] emilakd:
jellybam install the rom and now I wanted to go back to android 4.1 wifi .. I lifted and did all the wipes, reinstall the stock rom from rsd, did the wifical.sh ...

any other solution?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bizzuu:
i install android 4.3 the wifi ok . Android 4.1 wifi no conect . Help :(
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Vallerino WR:
Try go into system information a look at baseband version,if you don't see nothing try to flash a new baseband.

You can find it in RAZR section
[HTC One X] jonb1985:
Need help i want to revert back to my factory stock rom but my backup doesnt work. currently running cyangen.

ENDEAVORU PVT SHIP S-ON RL

HBOOT-1.39.000

CPLD- none

MICROP- none

RADIO - 5 1204.162A.29

eMMC - bootmode: disabled

CPU - bootmode: disabled

HW secure boot: enabled

Modem path: off
[HTC One X] nogotaclue:
have you even searched? go here>>>>>http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1975140
[HTC One X] jonb1985:
thank u maybe a stupid question but how do i know which one is for my fone
[HTC One X] n1kos:
since u are running a custom rom i guess you know how to use fastboot:

command for cid: fastboot getvar cid

command for main-ver: fastboot getvar all

tell us the outcome, and hide your s/n and imei.
[HTC One X] jonb1985:
C:\fastboot>fastboot getvar all

(bootloader) version: 0.5a

(bootloader) version-bootloader: 1.39.0000

(bootloader) version-baseband: 5.1204.162A.29

(bootloader) version-cpld: None

(bootloader) version-microp: None

(bootloader) version-main: 3.20.401.1

(bootloader) product: endeavoru

(bootloader) platform: HBOOT-T30S

(bootloader) modelid: PJ4610000

(bootloader) cidnum: HTC__001

(bootloader) battery-status: low

(bootloader) battery-voltage: 3347mV

(bootloader) devpower: 0

(bootloader) partition-layout: None

(bootloader) security: on

(bootloader) build-mode: SHIP

(bootloader) boot-mode: FASTBOOT

(bootloader) commitno-bootloader: None

(bootloader) hbootpreupdate: 2

(bootloader) gencheckpt: 0
[HTC One X] nogotaclue:
Go to the link I provided and look down the list for your cid, htc001, and then your main version. I can't see the 3.20.401.1 so I would go for the 3.18.401.1 and then flash the stock boot.img in the nandroid. Then get the stock recovery and flash that and then you will be able to ota to the latest. And before anyone mentions it,I know the latest is there but that won't upgrade the hboot

Press thanks if I helped you. Sent via XDA Premium 4
[HTC One X] jonb1985:
all the files in the folder are either WIN or MD5 files
[HTC One Mini] MercuryStar:
Hi, I've handled two different HTC One Minis in the stores and noticed that the metallic material above and below the screen where the speaker grilles are looks and feels different to the HTC One.

Specifically it feels less smooth, and looks more dull, smeary and dirty.

If feels less like polished aluminum and more like that dodgy steel they make old computer cases with. Like the drive bays etc.

I've read reviews that claim these are plastic. They definitely don't seem like plastic, though they could be metal with some sort of coating.

I'm concerned that they show up grease and dirt and it won't wipe off, and it has a rough rather than smooth feeling, not like polished metal at all.

I spent ages trying to see if it just had a plastic covering on it that hadn't been peeled off yet, but I think it didn't, it just has that strange dull appearance of having a plastic covering without actually having one.

Does anyone know what I mean and can anyone explain it?

The speaker grilles on the HTC One look shiny, smooth and beautiful in comparison. Also the back of the Mini is fine - it's beautiful.
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NelsonBoy:
Does anyone know what is the lgipa folder about (under the sdcard)? Thanks...
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jrgilbert79:
Could be battery stats. ..

http://mobile.shopping.com/results.html?keyword=oem+lg+lgipa+battery
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NelsonBoy:
By looking at the directory structure, I don't think that it is for battery stats...

There are three directories under it, db, heschl and mtalk...and a lot of .dat & .db files under the directories.
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ILLHYHL:
i'd like to know as well.

anyone know it o_O?
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NelsonBoy:
Is this lgipa folder only exist on D803 model? Anyone have D802 please confirm if you have this folder under your sdcard.
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jojoku:
yes i have that folder too on my D802b
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] linjes:
I am on the D802, and yes I have this folder. I think it is something dictionary related, maybe a translator software?
[General Topics] inbox7:
I just bought the sprint 6700 using EVDO. The speed is amazing. I want to use the phone as a modem ( I had a JAM that worked fine this way).

I configured the wireless modem app on the phone and linked up to my laptop with USB. The phone opens the port but after dialing #777, it says 'Error 680: there was no dialtone'

Any idea how to fix this? What other settings do I need?

Thanks in advance.
[General Topics] inbox7:
I figured it out...you have to set Windows XP to not wait for a dialtone. Then it connects.
[General Topics] mbial:
what settings did you use to configure this aross the board? any help would be great

THANKS

MJB
[General Topics] woodbot:
RE: CDMA/EV-DO modem usage on XP

I did not have the problem Inbox7 described...I am using XP Pro, maybe it is an XP Home problem? I had this problem: as you plug and unplug the phone, the modem selection for the dialup connection changes from the CBMA modem back to my laptop's built-in modem. So, I have to click "properties" before I hit "connect" and change it.
[General Questions and Answers] elotus:
how to decompile and recompile 3rd party apk?

for example:rootexplorer, terminal emulator, etc use apktool / apk manager / apk multi tool

because i try decompile rootexplorer use apk manager and apk multi tool but failed
[General Questions and Answers] CLINTZ9:
Use apk tool :thumbup: Make sure you install framework files first :D
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nir-vana:
Hello

My dad's GS3 is hanged on boot with Samsung logo , or when connected to USB it's hanged with a gray frozen battery logo.

I have access only to recover / download modules.

I read on this problem that I make factory reset, but my dad didn't back up his data and contacts before.

Is there any option to recover the data or make any other recovery / flashing without loosing the data and contacts ?

Thanks for your help

Nir
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
Read general > sticky roll-up thread > s3 storage data recovery .

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I do NOT reply to support queries over PM. Please keep support queries to the Q&A section, so that others may benefit
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] oubernie:
Hello,

I've recently flashed my Samsung Galaxy Y GT-S5360 android phone and now it shows 2 carriers and not the 3rd one I use.

I precise I am from Burkina Faso, West Africa and the carrier which is missing is AIRTEL.

I've download the files below to flash:

CSC_S5360_ODDLK1.tar.md5

MODEM_S5360_DDLK1.tar.md5

PDA_S5360_DDLK2.tar.md5

Is the MODEM file the problem? If yes, how can I find a good one for my region?

Thanks beforehand. I will provide any information which might be required.
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] aniket.lamba:
First of all flash a stock rom of your region.Search google for 'Galaxy Y firmware packages'
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] IamChetanTuteja:
<>

Here You Go Find The Stock Rom Of Your Region From this Thread And Flash it Using Odin

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1465800
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] oubernie:
Thanks, Warrior_x. I'll give it a try.
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] Blade.94:
try to reflash a stock rom and select the csc of your country.
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] oubernie:
Thanks Blade.94,

But you know, apart from South Africa and Arab countries in Africa, the other African countries are ignored in the different lists of CSCs. The phone was purchased from Amazon Canada.
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] abhishekr700:
then flash rom of that region
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] shadman0:
flashing

U need to add pda is PDA_S5360_DDLK2.tar.md5 phone is MODEM_S5360_DDLK1.tar.md5 csc is CSC_S5360_ODDLK1.tar.md5

uneed to remove sim card and memory card from mobile while flashing uneed to select rights framework

All The Best Xda Devlopers
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] jaiong:
Anyone using the Gold Replacement batteries form Ebay, like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181192785200?var=480263740550&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

How's its performance?

Any recommended replacement batteries of acceptable quality, tested and in use.
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] Troute:
I don't believe it's possible to fit 4200mA worth of power into a Lithium 3200mA battery size and their feedback would seem to agree. That particular battery has some complaints about it.

Any time a battery is listed as being significantly more powerful than the original but the same physical size it's bull droppings.

The listing doesn't mention it so I'd take it as read that the battery does not have the NFC antenna built in to it either as the original does. This would not be a problem unless you want to use NFC of course.

---------- Post added at 07:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:49 PM ----------

Not much use to you perhaps but I use one from Amazon.co.uk http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00EKLBKW2/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 it's a great battery but it does not have the NFC antenna in it either.
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] shayneflashindaily:
I'm going to give acesoft a shot on one of there bigger batteries and see what's up...

2SHAYNE
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] starmaster10:
Let us know how it works after you get it and use it a bit. :cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] shayneflashindaily:
Will do I'll start a thread for it like I did with my note and accessories I had for it ;) will open it up soon

2SHAYNE

---------- Post added at 11:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:40 PM ----------

Oh and Thanx for the info on TWRP in another thread. I rooted and twrp'ed it out. For got to thank you

2SHAYNE
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] starmaster10:
No problem and you are welcome. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] shayneflashindaily:
I returned it.... Was worse then stock.... Stock is act good on life.... Gonna a grab a 7800 next.. Will report back

2SHAYNE-MeGa
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] jaiong:
Certainly didn't expect the $7 gold battery to have lNFC out 4200mah.

Turns out to be only about 70% capacity to stock, and charges at same rate.

Quite distinctly, the battery is made out of 2 smaller batteries laid laterally. You can see the dividing line and bent the battery slightly.

No NFC, no flickering voltage inconsistencies, usable up to 0%.

Good enough as a cheap short term backup for $7.

Next up, is a $5 0.65A battery dock charger. Wonder how long it takes to charge a flat to full.

My guess 8 hours.
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] starmaster10:
That is to bad and I kind of wondered about that battery..but thanks for the info on this battery. :)

Sent from my SGH-I527M Mega 6.3
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] shayneflashindaily:
Yeah it was a fake no doubt.. Gonna try another one soon....... The 7800 :)

2SHAYNE-MeGa
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] starmaster10:
When you get let us know on it's performance or lasting time. :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] Vignarath:
Re:

yes for sure, its fake one..
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] Frezi Evan:
listing item are no longer available.. Why ?:confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] jaiong:
A lot of others selling sane thing for lower price now.

But battery sucks (about 60% of rated) and without nfc.
[Samsung Galaxy Mega] Frezi Evan:
I understand about it. Here you want to talk about all things are lower price. But here i see you have posted a ebuy product link but this link does not works..
[Omni Q&A] pavik62:
Requesting support for HTC One X
[Omni Q&A] maxwen:
Tegra devices are a challenge

Same for the X+
[Omni Q&A] Adam77Root:
It's not impossible. The LG Optimus 4X HD is also a Tegra 3 and it got the first unofficial build.
[Omni Q&A] maxwen:
But this is no HTC device :)
[Android Apps and Games] eugene690922:
Hi

I modified Cm10.1.3 S2 kernel.

I use an app to update the kernel.

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=cm10.1.3%20sgs2%20boost
[Android Apps and Games] saptarshighosh:
Details

What changes did you do???

You PlayStore page doesn't say anything.

Please post some details.
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jus2sho:
I'm looking for a way to spoof my MAC address without having to root my phone. Is this possible and has anyone done so? I found this guide below for the HTC Incredible, however, I can't find my MAC address searching through the interfaces...

http://androidforums.com/incredible-tips-tricks/78668-how-spoof-mac-address.html
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jus2sho:
Bump
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kromosto:
Today by luck i discovered that note 3 music player plays one of my mp3 file with a distortion. First i thought it was my machine or the samsungs earpieces that come with the phone. i tried earpieces with my old note one and it had no problem then i tried same file with my wives and friends note 3 phones and all of the them have the same problem. Then i tried with poweramp and it works like a charm.

So after this information my question is "What is the best free music player for Note 3?"

thank you.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaythenut:
I've always used poweramp i would just pay for it , in my opinion it's one of the best players
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kromosto:
actually i liked it and i can pay for it but i prefer using folders while choosing my music and it show lots of unnecessary folders. that made me not to buy it.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] franki_667:
I know you said free, but seriously for 1,000 reasons I think PlayerPro Music Player is the best one out there. Worth every cent - been using it for years.

I especially love how it allows you to select and download various skins, as well as customize what views/browsers displayed. I also think it has the nicest widgets.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kromosto:
thank you. now i am going to try it. if it has the folder view i want then i will buy it.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaythenut:
If you go to settings you can change what folders it plays
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kromosto:
it like its look and how easy to use it. also it has the folder view that i want but has the same distortion with the default music player too :(
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kromosto:
thank you. i find it and that is just what i wanted so PowerAmp it is.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaythenut:
Good choice:D
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dj_parkinson:
Could anyone tell me why no one had still made an copy of the 4.3 Rom from the n7100?

I want to have 4.3 with touchwiz but there is nothing. :(
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] h00rj:
You could always take a stab at it yourself ;)

I'm trying, but I have no clue what I'm doing!

---------- Post added at 01:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:19 PM ----------

Here's a good slap to the face!

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/official-android-4-3-i9505xxuemj5-firmware-for-the-galaxy-s-4/

Still nothing for n7105/t0lte.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mykalbrock:
I've never tried touchwizz but ported a few AOKP and cm ROMs. Here's a guide for touchwizz

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=40575946
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] h00rj:
Nice find! I've got nothing to do right now... Let's see if I can't do this...
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] contramundi:
as soon as the leaked version of 4.3 for the N7100 becomes official we should get our rom with tw as well quickly after.

reckon samsung has leaked that rom themselves simply to see if there's any additional bugs and errors they have to sort out before they make an official version of the rom, and whats a better way than to leak it to the internet knowing that it won't take long untill developers from for example xda take notice and start messing with it as well :)

reckon it will only be a short time before samsung releases an official rom

if you do manage to get/make a ported version for the n7105 which is generally bugfree i would love to try it as well :)

untill then its gonna be aokp/aosp depending on what rom i feel like using ^^
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mykalbrock:
Good luck :thumbup: hope to see a port here soon.

***** WATCH THIS SPACE ***** :D
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bearusa:
This is in the wrong section. This belongs in Q&A... Where you might get more response if you had posted in the correct place..

GT N7105 with XDA Premium......that is all......
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] antique_sonic:
That one is still a build based on leaked firmware of N7100.

I don't think it will work on our firmware even you ported it, because you will still need our own base firmware to port any rom.

I also do hope there's some light come to the LTE device for the TW rom. Same like you, I also like the TW ROM instead of CM.

Just wait my friend.

Sent from N7105, powered by MoonROM v2, at the corner of this rounded earth.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arrio:
Actually, we can be using 4.3 TW on our lte variants right now if we manage to get the kernel for that.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dj_parkinson:
Yes thats what i read. We only need the right kernel to get it working.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] antique_sonic:
don't forget, the partition is different as well.

That's what make the bootloop, corrupt IMEI,.... if you try to flash N7100 rom onto our device.

Sent from N7105, powered by MoonROM v2, at the corner of this rounded earth.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] h00rj:
Ok guys. I'm writing this from the MI6 leaked 4.3 TOUCHWIZ N7100 ROM on my AT&T Note II.

Here's how:

DISCLAIMER: CELL CONNECTION DOESN'T WORK, NO SIM ERROR SO IT'S WIFI ONLY. IF ANYONE KNOWS HOW TO FIX THIS, PLEASE HELP

I CAN'T BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGES. IT WORKS ON MY PHONE, IT MAY NOT WORK ON YOURS

Go to the n7100 Android Development Board and find Dr. Katan's MI6 build.

Download all 3 parts. V1,V2, and the 4.3 Mods.

Boot into recovery (I'm using Philz custom recovery)

Clear/wipe/yadda yadda

Install V1, it'll start Aroma installer.

Choose to back up efs!!

MOI IMPORTANTE: DO NOT CHANGE THE MODEM

Aroma will ask you about the kernel: FLASH THE 4.3 STOCK KERNEL. (I know it shouldn't work, but it does)

I left everything else unchecked except when it asks about pushing firmware, I checked it.

Flash V2 the same way and the mods and there ya go.

I use Devil Kernel to dual boot and keep my 4.1 ROM on secondary ready to go.

Devil Kernel DOES NOT support 4.3 Touchwiz, so I have to flash the appropriate kernel first.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saints5354:
i am waiting too ...

Been checking XDA (N7105) & SamMobile few times per day...no luck still ....