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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BIGSIKE3:
Yea I saw that right after, I punched myself for it. :P
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] wy1d:
Then what exactly is the point? Why even have two models instead of just allowing consumers who want to unlock the loader to do so? Why do you need a special edition of the phone if all else is the same? It's really just punishing early adopters like us.

I really like my Note 3. I got it during the Verizon website bug that allowed me to keep unlimited data. If this had not happened, I probably would still be using the Note 2 for a while. But the lack of Google wallet and boot loader access is a huge bummer. I'd obviously much rather the dev Edition if there is zero downside to it but I'm guessing I won't be able to do so through Verizon and instead will have to go the swappa route. Damn shame really.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] blap017:
So they can sell phones to us at full retail
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] wy1d:
So who can? Samsung or Verizon? Typically I pay full retail anyway. I did with the Note 2. Verizon is subsidizing the phone on contract so does it make a difference to Samsung? If they are selling it directly and it's carrier unlocked that's a different story but what I'm understand from the above comments, it's identical including the Verizon ROM right?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jgrimberg1979:
It's a ***** move but it's also a smart move on vzw and sammy in the sense that both verizon and Samsung both profit from someone buying a developer edition. Trust me verizon didn't give Samsung the green light to sell a unlocked device to cater to the needs of people like us. They see it as another opportunity to make more money. Which is exactly the reason why I won't ever buy a developer edition. F*** them. Not only that but how much development will really take place for a device that a tiny fraction of users buy? It's safe to say... Not much
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] blap017:
Exactly they sell it like that because it fits our needs so they know they will sell em even if not in large quantity all are full retail both make more money . I under stand we buy full retail to save unlimited but outside of this community( rooters) how many others doo?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechSavvy2:
I feel that maybe the thread is getting a bit sidetracked....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 760hacker:
This thread has been locked and cleaned multiple times, can we please get back to an on topic and productive conversation.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] zyperion:
May be a dumb/ignorant question but if they do release a developer edition would it be possible to extract the unlocked bootloader from that model and flash over the secured one using Odin?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
No. The signatures wouldn't match. Otherwise they would of done this with gs4.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Gunthermic:
No, signatures wont match, and the Q-fuse/e-fuse would be different most likely.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] zyperion:
Figures, it did sound way too easy to work in my head. :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] harosxcomp170:
Well I hope we get some kind of recovery going soon! I'm starting to get some crack flashing withdrawals! Or atleast the Developer Edition comes out before December! Cause no recovery by that release I'm putting this pretty phone on swappa and getting the Dev Edition!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
hopefully it comes out by november 1st!! haha
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] DirtyDroidX:
As [MENTION=3544615]beanstown[/MENTION] has said the new wave of mobile security is slowly killing development on consumer devices. It's only going to get worse as new phones come out.

I have torn apart every partisan on my att N3 and it's ugly, by ugly I mean it's like what the S4 is right now. Broken things with new realeases. Not to mention that selinux is beefed up too. I've been working with hashcode with the att safestrap and it's making progress but still a lot more difficult.

JMO on the whole situation , if you want true freedom and no worries with flashing anything , developer devices and Nexus phones are the only way to go.

Good luck everyone.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Poloasis:
Obviously if this trend continues and mobile users are flocking other unlocked brand phones, samsung/ and co will reconsider their tactics. Its all about hurting the bottom line which we control.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Bern612:
You made me sad :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
Agreed, just flashed stock and will be returning n3 today.

Lillie via LG Spectrum & tapatalk
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] DirtyDroidX:
Lol sorry it's better to be in the "know" then something side swiping you :)

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 760hacker:
I too am seriously contemplating returning this device. I have until Friday, just not sure what to replace it with, for those who are returnign the note 3 what are you getting?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
i returned the note 3 last friday and using my backup htc one until developer note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
Keep in mind, it only makes sense to return the phone for those who paid full price!! $700. If you got the phone on new line/upgrade keep the phone and sale it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] harosxcomp170:
Yup notice I'm back on the S3 again! I sold my Note 3 today! Just waiting for the developer edition now! F*** You Verizon! Already miss my Note 3!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
exactly if anybody has an on contract one i will make your money back and give somebody $400! ;)

and it sucks man i miss my note 3 so much! :crying:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 760hacker:
Trust me I didn't pay full price and will be throwing it on Swappa unless I see a bootloader unlock happen shortly.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
i would already throw on swappa and get the sale before price starts to drop unless you dont have a back up device yet
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Bern612:
Me I'm keeping love the pen to much. True I was running beans from teen to drinking age, but... unless another phone comes out with a pen it's a keeper. Just like when people said these were to big now I couldn't go back to a smaller phone
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
Why the hell would anyone sell it less than $700 for the note 3?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Namolas:
He said make your money back ($299 if you signed) plus an extra $400....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Poloasis:
I'm keeping it for now. Got root and 4.3 on board, fast and snappy, I know that doesn't replace a good Hyperdrive ROM on it but its OK for now.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
I still confused. But I'm not going to continue this because I'm getting mind fudged and I didn't give consent! :what:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NWNJ:
Note 2
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ronaldheld:
Did I miss a post which stated unlocking is impossible and Safestrap will never be made to work?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
No, this thread is SO off topic.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Bern612:
Off topic was my fault #212 sorry guys I take blame
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] donroja:
I jumped ship too, back to the N2 for a while. If only the N2 was 1080p...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 760hacker:
Anyone see an update on the testing / development of safestrap for this locked down paperweight?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
Making progress. Having issues loading the touchscreen drivers in recovery.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] justinglock40:
So SAFESTRAP will allow custom TW roms with stock kernels?

And since stock kernel has to be maintained that means no AOSP based roms right?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Gil Smash:
What about old school cwm with volume controls?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ryanbg:
It wouldn't be an issue if hardware vendors/manufacturers released actual open source drivers instead of proprietary binaries. This is the hardest part in getting something like kexec and SS/Loki working. It's a complicated and time consuming process, but it doesn't mean it's impossible. Just lots of hoops and ladders to jump through.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Harleydroid:
Correct no AOSP roms. Eclipse had a nice TW rom on the s4 with a lot of aosp features added. So maybe a dev can do that. But no pure aosp.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] krazy_smokezalot:
so same issue from like 1week and half ago if im not mistaken?? not saying anything bad at all lol but damn i hope they make some more progress
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] tdubs99:
Coming from the Bionic safestrap allowed custom kernel with aosp base to be loaded with the locked bootloader. I dont pretend to understand the details but would be surprised if the same wasn't true here....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Bataga:
Stop complaining and help
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] krazy_smokezalot:
Im not complaining at all:rolleyes::rolleyes: lol

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sbreen94:
Unless you are building a recovery or working on unlocking the Note 3 bootloader, i find your comment quite comical and in bad taste.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] krazy_smokezalot:
Just like some of the other post here that has nothing to do with wat you said lol anyways! Like I said I waa juat wondering and not making any demands! Come you people lets grow up as I dont expect this to be done tomorrow we have lives. Just dont take what other people say to the as.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::p

Have a :beer: and calm down lol

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Developer edition ftw
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Grompy:
Are they not similar with other carriers? Tmobile and sprint note 3s both have custom recoverys out.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] toddnbrown:
really? you're commenting on a development website, and don't know that those phones have unlocked bootloaders? The Verizon and the AT&T variants are locked down, by carriers who don't want you to be able to change anything... and continue to make it more and more difficult each time someone is able to find viable exploits.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ryanbg:
Guys, please do not email hashcode for status updates, this will delay their work. All information regarding SS for N3 will be on Rootwiki thread.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Epic 4g:
I am holding on to my Verizon Note 3 until the Developer Edition comes out also. They are saying it's soon, but that may be in Feb. of 2014, we all know Samsung. lol :rolleyes:

So hopefully something good happens to the Verizon Note 3 (SS or unlocked bootloader) & I won't have to sell it on Swappa or Craig's List. Either way it looks like I am going to be with my Verizon Note 3 for some time. If Samsung was really smart they would drop Developer Edition phones from the very first day.

Let's hope they start this with the Galaxy S 5 & Galaxy Note 4 I mean there is demand for this, that's for sure. :eek:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
yeah i know the wait is awful. got a guy on cl in my area down to $500 for a new note 3 i might have to snag it in the meantime lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gerg004:
I'm thinking he was referring to getting touch screen working in recovery. Not unlocking the bootloader.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] krazy_smokezalot:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/105617-safestrap-for-the-n3-vzw-and-att-testing-started/page-6

Nice good luck guys wish you the best. IMO it seems loki didnt work out so SS seems like it going to be working for use:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::D

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
So are you confirming SS is working? Are you leaving xda or just this thread?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] krazy_smokezalot:
Im not leaving nothing.... im just sayin ss is in the works and is in the testing phase go read and see the progress grow! :D againg good luck guys i know the 3 of you can do this!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ryanbg:
SS works, but not finished. It's tricky to get proprietary drivers to work in the environment they are working in. Loki isn't completely dead either. When the Dev N3 comes out they will have a better idea of what's going on.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] krazy_smokezalot:
ahhhh so the dev edition comes out they will be able to hopefully see whats preventing the carrier version from unlocking the bootloader!?!??
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
cause the developer s4 worked so well for that
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ryanbg:
We know what the obstacles are. The problem is that there are limited ways around those obstacles. Knox/QFuse/SecureBoot/etc... there are many systems working against us. With signature verification, we can't just flash a fixed image to unlock. If Samsung/Verizon didn't sign it, it's not getting flashed. Be patient and keep your fingers crossed, but don't expect any miracles either.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Ragnar:
Thread has been cleaned.

We would appreciate all name calling, and troll like behavior to stop at this very moment.

If continued further action will be taken.

Continue on.......

EFM
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ronaldheld:
I am appreciative of all the work that has been done. Have the test phones been hard bricked?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] nnnnr14:
People are getting more ridiculous with the eta demands... The phone is new people and we have root for now so just calm down and play a game or something.

Sent from my rooted 5.7" beautiful Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] krazy_smokezalot:
GTA 5!!

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
no not at all...

hopefully soon!

completely agreed.. i have been trying to make this point for a while. the days of easily unlocking bootloaders are done. consider the unlocks on the s3 & note2(vzw) to be trial and error for sammy. unlocking those devices showed them what they needed to fix. and exploit from this point forward is gonna be very easily patchable. loki in itself on the s4's actually did more harm than good for "us" because the exploit was before the phone verifies its kernel/recovery now if there is a possibility of an actual bootloader exploit it would have to happen after the verification is made.. hope that makes some sense.. ive said it before and ill say it again at this point if you want to run custom roms/kernels/aosp etc. on verizon and att you will need to buy developer edition devices or luckily if your on att you can use tmobile/nexus/oppo phones which are unlockable. we dont have that choice on verizon all we have is dev editions :(

unlocking is pretty close to impossible and safestrap is possible hash just needs the device to work out some bugs i cant help with and he can prob figure out with device in hand..

its in progress.. just ran into a litttle hiccup i will be sending my retail note3 to hash today

this^

yes safestrap = custom touchwiz roms no custom kernels or aosp

different here. safestrap on sammy devices currently only supports the recovery aspect. kexec hasnt been worked on "yet" for samsung based safestrap

this pretty much

tmobile and sprint both run recoverys in the place thiere supposed to be run from the recovery partition. safestrap is running a recovery virtually its alot different as you need to hook into the boot process to load drivers etc. where as if it was in the recovery partition it has its own kernel

no it wont help with a bootloader unlock but could help move safestrap along better

PSA: ok today i will be mailing my brand new retail note3 to hash so he can work on safestrap with device in hand(easier). i do also plan on selling the device so hopefully we can cover that when he gets SS up and running. my thought is basically with the amount of people who wanted to donate to get him the device you could basically purchase mine for him. make sense? let me know your thought cuz we def want him to have the device because next ota when selinux goes to enforcing there will be alot more that he will need to do to get safestrap working again. and having the device in hand again will make it alot easier on him
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Gunthermic:
So your looking for those to donate to you to help cover the cost of the device? Upgrade price or Full price?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
only when he gets it working. a little under full price ill obv contribute a 100$ towards it myself :)

edit: ill take whatever the average price on swappa is at that time, i also messaged him to see if this is a good way to go about it. will let you know more when he awakens ;)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Gunthermic:
Count me for 100.00 towards you if that is how you work it Beans.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
good deal :) i will update througout the day with his thoughts on this.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Gunthermic:
No problem. I don't even use this device as a daily phone, using the S4. LOL But it's fun to theme onthis device, screen is awesome...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
I already told you beans I will donate as well.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
aight well he is ok with it so lets pray he gets something going. my note3 is currently in route to his house
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ryanbg:
You're doing God's work son.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xXJay_RXx:
I'm willing to put my $25 pledge ahead of the bounty being reached to help out. It may not be much but every little bit helps
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TweakerL:
This is possibly a crazy suggestion, coming from my limited experience tinkering with the TF-201 (if anyone remembers it had a horrible internal storage). I was eventually able to get the device to install/run apps to the external storage natively (in the sense that apps never touched the internal storage at all). I did this by adding a hook very early in the boot process to run a script that changes/creates several mount points, resulting in the desired outcome. It took a lot of trial and error to find the right place to add the hook to, so that it would be early enough in the boot process that it would be before the modified locations were accessed and not too early that all the mounts couldn't be changed/created.

Now, it seems to me that the root de la vega method uses a similar approach, except that mine didn't use hex editing, which as mentioned before is quite intriguing and I doubt that can be easily patched. The point being that we know of a working way of creating a hook into the boot process that allows us to run non-stock commands as root. Can't it be possible then, to use the same approach with the recovery? That is, leave the recovery partition untouched(mostly) so that knox can have its way except for a hook early in the boot (after knox verifies it) that mounts the location the recovery kernel looks for the rest of the files from a modified recovery image that does what we need it to do? The idea would basically be:

Phone boots > partitions get checked and pass (recovery partition is hex edited so just slightly modified same as was done for root de la vega) > recovery starts > hook mounts the recovery to a different location > recovery continues booting with modified image > profit.

Just a thought that may or may not work and probably would need to be refined. Then again, being that it seems like SS is already under works and being tested, it might just be a mute point. But I just figured I'd throw the idea out there in case it might be useful for anything.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] exilepa:
Does this more than likely mean we won't be seeing any Beans love on the Note3 since you won't have one anymore?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] repsol_23:
My impression is that there will be "beans" love but most likely for the developers edition. At least that is what I have gathered from various threads. Hence some people talking of jumping ship for the developers edition.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] toddnbrown:
The developers edition, that we still have no official confirmation of from Verizon or Samsung, besides a "coming soon" on their website. How are these people jumping ship to a phone that doesn't exist?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] repsol_23:
I must admit I too am waiting anxiously for the dev edition of the note 3 but I don't plan on selling my version until I know for sure about a purchase date!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
Everyone makes a foolish decision once in awhile, please forgive me!

Lillie via LG Spectrum (waiting for N3 DE) & tapatalk
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NWNJ:
Well, they did remove the "coming soon". But there is still no "buy" button to press.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] DirtyDroidX:
I've been tinkering with this process with a few things. Mainly Selinux settings and bianarys; on at&t because are Selinux is set to "enforcing" unlike the vzw version that has "permissive" . If anyone is curious permissive, logs the policy's and does not enforce them,well for the most part. Enforcing, blocks certain policies and just causes a headache when trying to symalink in the boot process. Seandroid hasn't had much developer attention because it's not been in control, to the extent, with locked down phones.

Getting back to the quoted post, yes I think there is a few options that need to be explored more, for gaining more control. I am currently focusing on reading and consuming any knowledge on selinux/seandroid because it's playing a huge role in the way the phone handles everything. Getting better control of the way it interacts with the OS is my main goal. I don't call myself a "dev" , but I have learned a thing or two over the past couple of years.

This is one of the road blocks with getting safestrap up and running. I remember using the original safestrap on the RAZR, with thease new phones it's using the same procedure but having to mess with a plethora of new obstacles. I just want everyone to no what safestrap gets us. Basically SS hijacks the boot process to mount a virtual boot.img this is used to utilize the phones internal storage for flashing to the system. The great failsafe in SS is if you bork your phone you can just deactivate SS and return to your stock setup. This is possible by storing the images usually in /data/media or an emstorage space. This allows swapping of the stock boot.img and virtual one to flash a custom rom to the phone. This is great and all but it has its limitations. The downfall is being restricted to the stock Samsung kernel. So basically custom TW roms are the only ones that will work bug free,well mostly. It is possible to create AOSP based roms off the Samsung kernel, but this starts from the ground up, and is not for the faint of heart. So, it's not "impossible" it's more trial and error with hundreds of hours of testing. Now some might ask is "Kexec" a possibility? Well know one has done it for this phone yet, so the main goal is getting SS up and running first. So if everyone wants this to work,the fate of the customization to our phone rests on mainly Hashcode. So you would be better investing your bounty or pledges towards [MENTION=3544615]beanstown[/MENTION] offer for buying Hashcode his phone JMO.

To get a more in depth understanding about safestrap, check out Hashcode's blog http://blog.hash-of-codes.com/

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechSavvy2:
The buy option is actually available now. But when you "buy" it doesn't show up in the cart. Regardless..... its coming.....

---------- Post added at 02:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:50 PM ----------

Why the hell would they create a page about the device, and write a description about being unlocked, if it wasn't coming?

That would be a b*tch of a troll move, haha.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] :
watching.. waiting.. :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hsomnus:
Safe Strap is close!