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[Galaxy Note 3 General] PhotoMaster:
No. Like most big corporates, they'll find a scapegoat and blame/fire/publicly shame him. But in any case, if they did release a corrected update, the damage (efuse) would be done. Everyone wins (except the scapegoat).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gidzdlcrz:
Before this. I hope we can downgrade from kitkat to jellybean.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dallas90733:
Rethink the method

Question- Even if it's the e-fuse that was trigger (burn-in); something have to read it to report that "burn-in, flag".

I believe if we can rewrite the script that reports this Knox counter "make it read it backwards" it will report the counter as 0x0,

If e-fuse is burn in :

read 0x0 (instead of 1x0)

Because the carriers will not open the phone to check the chipset; thus you walk away with a new phone.:good:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] st3chn0:
If it really was that simple to do. Would have been done by now.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] vim1:
I am offered solution , only one possible by eMMC reset ;) its real;

Отправлено из моего iPad используя Tapatalk HD
[Galaxy Note 3 General] newxdabie:
can we do it in someway with out box like format in linux by creating superuser in phone and connected on pc? or someone can program a software which can do it?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] note2nooby:
Without direct access to emmc and possibility of writing files there on low level it's impossible, and don't forget jig kick the phone into dl mode.

No USB or app solution I see. Never
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mirek190:
Formating in low level is possible even via PC .

I have some programs to do such things with pendrives.

You can even change real capacity in pendrive.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lilstevie:
Your mistake is thinking this is a pendrive, or a PC.

No access to the eMMC is granted unsupervised by the CPU, and not all code executing on the CPU can be modified by us. The trustzone kernel can prevent any attempt to read or write to the eMMC device using TZASC or Trustzone Address Space Control.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
So the only thing we need to do is to contact the programmer of a formatting tool for pendrives. He will surely know how to reprogram the emmc without JTAG Box and all the people already bought one will be very sad...

Sorry for the OT...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] paul_59:
I suspect it's not that simple, when the Note 3 is plugged into a pc access to eMMC is available under control of Note 3 soc .

See earlier post by lilstevie

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=50750646
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
my post was meant a little bit sarcastic - sorry.

I know that we have no control over the eMMC via USB - that's why a JTAG Box is needed to write to the memory directly.

Even in the case of a pendrive the computer doesn't directly communicate to the storage but is giving commands to a controller I'm sure...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] 2ronakkothari:
I've got fed up of this KNOX. Fed up to that extent that I sold my Note 3 and got a brand new Nexus 5. At peace now.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] WormsCH:
weak guy...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jvidia:
hehe :good:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] xp500:
""Originally Posted by 2ronakkothari View Post

I've got fed up of this KNOX. Fed up to that extent that I sold my Note 3 and got a brand new Nexus 5. At peace now.

i got fed up with knox and watching this post 2x a day hoping there was a cure for this epidemic. I am rooted and running cm!! my phones never felt faster or happier.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Riskytwin:
My phone works also great with stock 4.3 rooted! My only worry is that I have to use warranty some day cause my knox flag is 0x1 and I can't see a way to ease solve that.

Risky's my name
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Someone is gonna break this knox fellas its just a new kind of security, I mean look at the kid who figured out that Iphone security he was like 14 so I believe it will happen soon, I got pissed a couple threads back and went and got an LG G2 and it was nice without the knox and the performance was sweet but I came back to the note 3 because Samsung hands down just has the best displays rich color and no hot pixels, we just gotta be patient im sure someone is busy trying to bust this knox crap and when they do it will be so worth it.

:thumbup:

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theres got to be a bypass to tripping knox, I think it starts with root de la vega then building a custom rom and future roms with custom trust and pki certificates to prevent tripping the void.

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I just read this on samsungs website

To further illustrate how this works, the “KNOX Warranty Void” bit (or simply KNOX bit) is used to detect if a non-KNOX kernel has been loaded on the device. It is a one-time programmable bit in e-fuse, which can only be turned from “0” to “1” (i.e. burned). If a non-KNOX boot loader or kernel has been put on the device, KNOX can no longer guarantee the security of the KNOX container. As a result, this KNOX bit will be burned to “1”, indicating that this device can no longer use the KNOX container service.**There are two possible scenarios: 1,A new KNOX container can no longer be created on such a device 2,The data encrypted and stored in an existing KNOX container can no longer be retrieved Everything else outside the container should work just as before.**

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And this.

KNOX is a comprehensive hardware and software security solution for Samsung devices.

Check out this link.

https://www.samsungknox.com/en

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Heh I still think it's a back door for corporations and paranoid agencies (NSA) to spy on your personal information because they know you'll be like cool nobody can get into my personal stuff....yeah whatever if you have a smartphone you have no privacy, imagine if you have a smart TV with the little camera built in the frame and its connected to the web, makes you think doesn't it.

:eek:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] maxilick:
Meh!!!!.....I don't care if my counter is 0x1 . Little bit like my HOX's boot loader message, I survived it for almost 2 years and is in my bedside drawer as a back up. I much prefer to be rooted and on custom rom with no forced bloatware, I purchased my phone I like to customize it for my use, not at all impressed with any type of corporate dictatorship. If I need to warranty my phone I'm sure it'll brick itself beyond anything. I will still pledge US$10.00 as a lot of members appear disappointed with Knox.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I'm leaning the other way, I doubt it'll get solved short of someone leaking the private keys used to craft up the firmware.

Some further effort will go toward rooting without tripping the knox counter whenever the next privilege escalation exploit pops up, but there are likely fewer than 500 people throughout the world actively looking for buffer overflows and such in their spare time.

Much easier just to make your next device one that is root friendly from day 1.

Samsung was unwise to make this knox thing irreversible.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] madridfran:
I agree, I have a custom note 3 but my charge port have wront.. a lot of time. I am thinking to do hard brick on my phone to use warraties.. if the phone is bricked they maybe can not detect my 0x1 status. anybody how know can I do a hard brick ? thanks in advance. Anyway I still do a donation of my 10$ if anyone get reset the know
[Galaxy Note 3 General] winny57:
This possible? ??

"Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9305 avec Tapatalk"
[Galaxy Note 3 General] LEGGYMAMBO:
Hi,

I've tripped my knox but just having a look though the zip file that the EFS backup file creates, and quite a few interesting files in there such as keyfile.dat which contains quite a number of 1s such as:

< U N I Q U E I D p r i v a t e = " 1 " >

< H A R D W A R E _ V E R _ M A J O R > 1 < / H A R D W A R E _ V E R _ M A J O R >

< H A R D W A R E _ V E R _ M I N O R > 1 < / H A R D W A R E _ V E R _ M I N O R >

< F I R M W A R E _ V E R _ M A J O R > 1 < / F I R M W A R E _ V E R _ M A J O R >

< F I R M W A R E _ V E R _ M I N O R > 0 1 < / F I R M W A R E _ V E R _ M I N O R >

< L I C E N S E _ A C Q > 1 < / L I C E N S E _ A C Q >

< L I C E N S E _ S Y N C > 1 < / L I C E N S E _ S Y N C >

< E N C R Y P T I O N > 1 < / E N C R Y P T I O N >

I don't have the skills to decompile any of the files contained within the zip file, but the key to cracking knox surely can't be as simple as hidden in one of these files somewhere, as some of them are quite deep within the phone?

Leggy

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And also when doing a modem (DD) backup there's some interesting things within the getprop file such as:

[ro.build.knox.container]: []

[ro.build.selinux.enforce]: [1]

[ro.build.selinux]: [1]

[ro.config.knox]: [1]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Interesting.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jvidia:
Can those values be changed in the file to test the knox flag value?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] LEGGYMAMBO:
Yes, they can be changed, and the backup program includes a restore option, but as extremely busy with work at present, and I rely on my phone for work I don't want to take the risk of editing then restoring in fear of hard bricking.

Though I'm no developer at all, I'm sure that someone somewhere must have the experience to explore some of the files contained within the EFS back up files, though I'm not daft enough to understand that someone may have already tried.

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The one thing that sticks out to me the most is:

[ro.build.knox.container]: []

As there is no value within the closed brackets, whereas there is a 1 within all the others.

Just wish I had another Note 3 that hadn't had knox tripped to try and compare some of these files
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
what is this tool you're using

also i'd noticed we do have a factory download mode, maybe this is how they reset knox
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dawgboy1783:
Factory download mode? U mean aside odin mode and how do you enter factory download mode? .

(Edit) figured it out.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] TTLayland:
I have heard this same thing before with other devices that have been cracked. Just hope that one of the few talented people in this world take the time to uncage this beast.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] :
I noticed it when I accidently dropped my phone in water. Plugged everything out and dried the phone. First it did was enter the factory download mode. And I though crap. Then I saw that I was able to boot into phone. So you don't need to use jig to enter factory download mode just drop your phone into water ;) "just kidding" still fully functional :shock:

but if they can reverse the Knox in 10min on service center then there might be through a jig or factory download mode and USB with odin :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] resudo:
Where did you find this??
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gidzdlcrz:
To really uncage this beast we must find a way how to downgrade to original 4.3 (MJ7 will do). Anyways. S4 receives Kitkat Official yet they can choose weather to go back to 4.3. How envious.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jvidia:
I've still got 4.3 N9005XXUDMJ7 in my device.

Is it root possible without tripping knox?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] santij07:
I search on google and I found it, the app name is Root Toolbox go here to download: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lukemovement.roottoolbox.free&hl=es-419

I try to change values for Warranty Bit 1 to 0 but not change in that area but in others area out of loader change can apply, that's is a restriction to this values.

If useful please click Thanks.

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Go to this thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2522729 :good: Please Click Thanks .:D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] winny57:
Exact

problem the problem is that I do not know where to find the build.prop

in my opinion the bootloader so i wanted torestore the copy on my card and then changeto 0 then remove any rw for r is not sticking to the bootloader changes

"Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9305 avec Tapatalk"
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dragoon0309:
Edit:nvm
[Galaxy Note 3 General] yakie996:
is there already a methot to set the knox back to 0x0 for the i9505?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Extended181:
You are in the Note 3 Forum.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
No for all phones at this point.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zibri:
About KNOX, I will never repeat it enough:

it's a mass misconception.

It's not KNOX: warranty void, but KNOX WARRANTY: void.

Tripping knox, does not mean that the warranty is not valid (it must be for international laws anyways) but that "there is no warranty that knox can work" meaning that if the device has been tampered, it can't be considered SECURE. That's the reason why knox is then disabled. That's the ONLY function of KNOX and that flag.

I'm sorry for the few people that already know this, but I wish this to be in the FAQ or at the top of any knox or warranty discussion :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Olleo:
Aha, tell this to Samsung service.

We have a saying in my country (coming from famous movie about communistic times):

"We don't have your coat and what are you going to do to me?"
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
You're right.

But how do someone trip knox?

As you've said that flag (or whatever it is) shows that the device has been tampered with. This is exactly the reason why service centers do void warranties.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] resudo:
For what phones we can reset KNOX counter? Is it possible on Note 2?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JonSCSL:
No not possible for the public to reset knox at all. There has been only one method and it's only on S4 and using expensive equipment and you have to tear the S4 apart to get to the chips.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] theunderling:
Can people that have donated,or are going to donate, or got a note 3,or are trying to hack it, or have anything constructive to say; only post in this thread.

If anyone is unsure, then read the 1st post which explains what this thread is all about.

I dont even have a note 3, and my alternative s4 is knox 0x0.I pledged to reward the potential genius for his time and effort.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zibri:
If any service center does that you can call your local law enforcement (at least here in Europe there are strict laws about warranties).

Anyway, I haven't had the time until now to look into android and galaxy hacking. As far as I could see there are two different things that trip differents flags.

For example one of them is at the bottom os settings/info/status. In my device is "official" but when a daemon finds SU program installed (and probably it checks other things like busybox and stuff) that flag becomes "custom" or something like it. (I checked this with galaxy s4).

I haven't inspected the knox flag but I bet someone already did that. Did he?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jisoo:
Samsung customer service reps have publicly stated this same exact thing in Korea -- the knox flag does not prevent anyone from receiving regular warranty services. Only if you want to reset the flag, you have to pay for the replacement board.

Also, no one is ever going to find a way to reset knox without replacing the main board. It's specifically designed to be that way, and companies like Samsung and Qualcomm have spent a lot of money and time in ensuring this.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zibri:
And this is another lie. It's just a flag. And I bet I know where it is. But I don't want the flag to change on my phone to prove that.

We will see in the future.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] matale0:
Any progress?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] winny57:
I saw that it could be in / dev / block / but how to extract as adb pull / dev / block does not work because it said special system file

So how to copy or directly modify mmcblk?

Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9305
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toxicstone:
There is a way to avoid KNOX to be triggerd when Root or Flash, but why has not XDA lade it a sticky?.

.I missedit so mine is tripped, but not like i am ever gonna have a Use for it, i am not Agent .007
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Mulletmeister:
I sent a lengthy mail to Samsung UK about this. Basically said that if I find their idea of 'what I want' in a standard firmware not acceptable and wished to improve MY device that I paid for, with a custom rom, and a button falls off, then how can they deny a warranty claim for the offending button? I went on to say that if someone decided to up the processor etc and fry it, then that would be grounds for a denial of warranty.

I also made the point that, if I had an issue with my phone of a 'hardware' variety, and flashed back to stock and the fault was still there, how could that be caused by a custom rom? From the somewhat 'ambiguous' information that I have seen from Samsung, I have to agree that the way it reads is that the Knox secure would be invalid is 0x1. I have also pointed out that you cannot read the warranty conditions until the box is opened, by which time you could be deemed to have accepted the T's and C's, and in some circumstances you would be unable to return the phone.

I also added a paragraph about Microsoft and the UEFI boot loaders that come shipped with new Win 8.1 pc's, and the fact that Linux have had some success in Europe, with Microsoft issuing 'signatures' for Linux Distros. I went crazy when I found my new pc couldn't have Redhat and Ubuntu installed until the keys were issued!

Anyways, long story short, NO response from Samsung either by Email, or on there pathetic facebook page, so STILL no definitive answer.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
So please share your suggestion, an other user with tripped flag can try it out ....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oddbehreif:
Someone asked the same question on Samsung Finland's facebook page, and they replied that once you modify your device Samsung is no longer responsible for it. My country's law states that if the fault cannot be fixed by reloading original operating system or the manufacturer otherwise cannot prove the fault to be the customer's fault, they must honor the warranty, so I know it's a lie - don't be surprised if they lie to your face about it if you ever get a reply.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zibri:
If it's already tripped there might be too late for an analysis.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] howard bamber:
Did the right thing :P
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbob343:
Still covered

As far as I knew samsung had put knox into the bootloader.. but I don't care as I'm in the EU... fun legal things ;)

Directive 1999/44/CE dictates 1 that any object meeting certain criteria (incl. telephones, computers, routers etc.) that is sold to a consumer 2 inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years.

A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts 3 stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent – the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.

If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything.

If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device. 4 But in order to avoid needing to repair or replace your device, the seller has to prove that your action caused 5 the defect. It is generally recognised by courts that unless there is a sign of abuse of the device, the defect is there because the device was faulty from the beginning. That is just common sense, after all.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bungadudu:
This is not just misinterpretation, it plainly contradicts exactly the invoked directive :lol:

Art. 5(3) from the directive: "Unless proved otherwise, any lack of conformity which becomes apparent within six months of delivery of the goods shall be presumed to have existed at the time of delivery unless this presumption is incompatible with the nature of the goods or the nature of the lack of conformity."

More than this, just common sense says your logic in invalid.

Let's say after 3 months from purchase you submerse it in water. For a week. You're telling me that after this it must still be presumed that the defect was there all along? :lmao:

That presumption is not an absolute presumption (which doesn't admit any contrary evidence), it's a relative presumption which can be negated by the other party by demonstrating the contrary.

So if in the first 6 months a defect arise, yes, it is presumed that the device was faulty from the start. You must not prove anything but of course the other party can demonstrate the contrary! (think of my example above).

That knox flag gives birth to a simple presumption that you tampered the security of the device (rooting, custom kernels etc). Action clearly not allowed.

So the seller has it's proof represented by the knox 0x1 sign of abuse.

Luckily for us most of the repair centers don't invoke it. But based on it, currently, they have every right to void warranties one after another. And because of this fear this thread appeared.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mielletseed:
STOP! Why should it be not allowed to install ANY Software to my own hardware? I know, customers and companies have a different point of view but we should not take the companies point of view ...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jimbob343:
Dropping it in water is clearly your own fault and not a fault of the hardware and can be proved easily for water damage..

Software faults are our own responsibilty which is why it's recommended to put back to stock rom to prove it's not software

This would then indicate an issue with the hardware that should have lasted 2 years!

The knox security wasn't installed on the phone when I recieved it and was installed after an unwanted update (basically forced)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zibri:
First of all: http://www.samsung.com/at/business-...ion-brief/2013/12/samsung_knox_glossary-0.pdf

I have found where TIMA is handled. The reversing work is huge anyhow.

If anyone wants to help, it's inside NON-HLOS.BIN disk image.

all tima*.* files are related to knox too.