yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sk8trix:
Look at it like this:

I am speaking from experience I own both models 2012 and 2013

Tegra 3 still kicks the adreno GPU's butt at games no matter what people try to tell me.Consider this....on the TEGRA N7 you can O.C you GPU to over 600 MHZ...its not the safest but its wayhigher and performs better than the 2013 model which tops out at UNDER 500MHZ.

I have both tablets on the same ROM with the same kernel running at their stock frequencies and tegra delivers better gaming despite the 2012 N7 screen being crappy.

Now... as far as overall smooth performance and usage the new N7 is the clear winner since it runs at higher frequencies and has a better CPU, better screen with higher ppi. You also have more RAM, dual speakers, two cameras, and less bezzel.

They are both great I own N7 2012 32GB wifi and N7 2013 32GB LTE.

I use my old one only for games so memory is full now and use my new one mainly for every thing from emails for work, apps, surfing and even voice calls with groove ip. you can still play games and they look great but I feel tegra is always going to deliver slightly and maybe even better gaming performance with future tegra chips.

hope it helps this is just my take on it

Edit: Don't get me wrong it is deffinitely an upgrade in every sense of the word, and I would say go and upgrade but it really depends what you use it for and if it makes sense to spend the money as well. The new N7 is a great device and I waited for it very much until the ATT version came out on GOOGLE PLAY.. just depends what you want it for that's all
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] GoneTomorrow:
You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] dud3me:
Yeah hard to believe tegra 3 I could function better on games, even if you could oc the gpu a little higher.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tommy-Geenexus:
i have a tegra 3 device and an Xperia Z (adreno 320-1080p).

on the z every game works lagfree on highest graphics, on tegra there are a lot of lags and stutters.

Xperia Z-Vanir AOSP
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ShaneAR:
Whether to upgrade or not is going to come down to personal wants and needs, I think.

My personal experience:

I've spent a total of probably an hour, over the course of a couple visits, playing with the 2013 model at a local store. That was enough device time for me to decide that the upgrade wasn't worth it....for me. I did everything I normally do (or as much as possible with a display model) on the 2013 and came away underwhelmed. For my needs (reading, email, news, calendar) I really couldn't tell the difference between the two (the screen included).

Anyway, my needs are obviously simple, so mileage will vary.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] hasenbein1966:
I have upgraded and can say: A huge improvement!

On the 2012 model, display contrast was poor, and text was not completely sharp - so you could read web sites with small text on it, but it was straining for the eyes, especially when the text was not black (e.g grey like in the Play Store or Youtube app).

On the 2013 model, all is very easily readable and eye-friendly (although my Tablet Z has even better contrast).

This alone is worth an upgrade.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] MarkhamSnappy:
I like my new Nexus 7, just as much as I enjoyed the 1st gen I had.

As the old model is an awesome tablet, I managed to sell it easily, and the price to upgrade was minimal, so that was a great incentive to upgrade. The new model has these improvements that I think is worth the upgrade:

A) the faster speed/processor plus the 2MB ram... everything is just slightly less laggy, most notably when multitasking many RAM-heavy apps at once, and switching back and forth between them

B) the dual/stereo speakers is a nice upgrade

C) the lack of any noticible pixels in the screen due to the massive resolution bump-up

D) the form factor of both models is excellent, but the new one is a bit lighter (quite a bit) plus thinner and all around better to handle

E) I don't have a cellphone, so the rear camera is a nice addition

Really though, both are excellent in all regards... I don't play GPU intensive games, so maybe there is a reason to upgrade as well, but I doubt it... If you can sell your 1st one easily, do it... Whoever gets your old one will be getting a killer tablet, and you will be (slightly) future-proofing yourself by having the latest and greatest.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] MrPhilo:
Tegra 4 GPU isn't that bad. It's just a bit better than Adreno 320 but behind 330.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] godutch:
I have the tf300 and now the n7 2013, I think for browsing and other small things they are equally smooth (provided you run 4.3 on the tf300, otherwise it's laggy as hell) but I have to say this screen is beautiful, as good as the HTC one x (which is pretty damn good, just not as good as the HTC one), font in portrait are crisp and easy to read, unlike for instance the tf300 which could really only be used in landscape. Viewing angles are good too unlike for instance the tablet z.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sk8trix:
I don't go by benchmarks benchmarks are useless... I play the same game on both and I notice the tegra 3 will play them way better regardless what a piece paper says. I don't wanna try to convince you because it really doesn't do anything for me lol but having both I can see the differences and where one beats the other.

Its very funny you bring up benchmark results though and amusing....I guess you haven't read all the recent stuff about how most OEMS cheat benchmarks but then again some people will believe whatever they're told. I guess if I tell u apples are blue you'd believe it.

Sent from my LTE Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] GoneTomorrow:
Well most of those benchmarks have the exact same workload as playing a game, thus it is impossible for a GPU 3x faster in such benchmarks to be slower in a game, unless there are serious issues with the game itself.

Also, you must be too slow to comprehend what you read, otherwise you'd know that stock Android devices (Nexuses) don't cheat in any way. Therefore how could OEMs cheating in benchmarks affect comparing a Nexus 7 2012 to 2013 in any way whatsoever? Lol you should probably just stop posting you obviously have no idea what you are on about.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] pham818:
agreed.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] t.padelis:
Hello guys!

I need some help with that problem ..

Check the problem which is in ATTACH FILES..

I tried to solve that ,but i could not .. sooooooooooo

HELP ME

Thanks in advanced guys :D:D
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] LaDY Vengeance:
Here it is again. This time, it will be a more up to date petition. Please sign if you want a change.

https://www.change.org/petitions/lg-electronics-unlock-bootloader-of-optimus-l9-p769
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] Ilxaot:
Signed :D
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] will0899:
Signed
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] KindleUser:
signed 4 life
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] mrmathematica:
LG and TMO are not going to do it. We'd rather spend our energy on either

a) 2nd-int rom

b) somehow find out how the lock works and a way to unlock
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] Juanito216:
Signed it.
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] LaDY Vengeance:
I'd love either of those two. This is an interesting article, BTW..... http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2013/09/133_142454.html
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] LaDY Vengeance:
Another note. Sony is also more focused on the European market than the US. It's over at Phonescoop. I'm too lazy to look for the link....lol. :p
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] jayfizze:
signed
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] DjSidEShoW:
All this time spent trying to get a new method for unlocking this bootloader could be spent doing the little bit of research and using the guide for noobs.

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i was totally new to this and i got it on the first try. don't be lazy; read, research, ask questions and then attempt. If you fail, try try again
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] wasifkhalid:
signed

signed
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] shomi190:
Better way is to all go live support and ask for official way to unlock our BL.
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] LaDY Vengeance:
I am not lazy. I have unlocked the bootloader of many phones. My previous Galaxy II for example. And before that, I had a Sidekick 4G.

Do you have a T-Mobile P769? Did it ship with ics or jb? Why not share the details of what you have and what worked for you?

That is much more constructive than calling people lazy. BTW, read my posts in the Unlock Bootloader for Noobs thread and you'll see that I'm not the only one having problems. Ask [MENTION=5341181]omgbossis21[/MENTION]. :p
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] Nathan.7118391:
signed.
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] BioDesigner48:
Signed

sent from my rooted P769 v20f

I'm on YouTube (BioDesigner48)

Need Help ROOTing? PM me I'll try to help.
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] LaDY Vengeance:
870 views. 20 signatures. :confused:
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] thasilenthacker:
signed :)
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] nimms:
Signed
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] cromie123:
l9

how do I unlock a new lg l9 from t mobile
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] shinobisoft:
Wrong thread bro. You'll find what you need in http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2073

. Search before posting, those are the rules.

[MENTION=5412690]LaDY Vengeance[/MENTION]

As much as I hate divulging personal information on the web, I also signed your petition ;)
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] LaDY Vengeance:
LMAO....here I was thinking this thread was dead! Thanks!
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] policeman0077:
Signed

though I am deeply hurt by this phone, and want to sold it now.
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] glennnall:
yeah, but i read the FRANTIC posts by those who screwed up their screens and that becomes a pretty big risk...
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] shinobisoft:
This coming from a junior member noob with 8 whopping posts! I'm betting that you don't have the P769 either... There are many here who have not been able to unlock their bootloaders, mostly P769 users, myself included, and I'm by no means lazy. I personally don't appreciate posts like this!

If you have done all the research you claim you'd have noticed that several of the people here signing this petition have been here for some time trying all the available methods to unlock their bootloaders. Instead of talking down to someone, try and help instead or don't say anything at all.

My two cents...
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] DjSidEShoW:
Here's my too cents. The only reason I said those things was for one reason, to get my ten posts so I can start work on a my own PACrom build for my phone. I needed another members advice on some things. So, I figured if piss a couple of people off & start an argument I'd get my ten posts so I don't have to keep P.M.'in people (which I don't really need, I'm happy on the Rom I'm using now).

So I'm very sorry for hurting your feelings everyone. But just remember, their just phones. Some people take this s**t way too close to the heart. So I guess this was a sort of social experiment too, and my hypothesis proved to be true: people in this community take things to seriously, lighten up.

Oh, and to defend myself, just because it says i'm a noob on this sight, it doesn't mean I'm new to this. I've been fu**ing with Android's for years, just getting into the programming aspect about a year and a half ago (only using this sight for reference, never posting). My last venture was building roms for the ZTE avid and I was instrumental in helping develop cm10 for the ZTE Avid (which is stable but far from done. Look me up on Phandroid.

So, in closing: this was super easy for me. I pulled my phone out of the box and then I unlocked the bootloader first try using the "noob" instructions. If I can do it, anyone can (that is a pep talk, not a put down). Just, like I said before, watch the video all the way through, don't be lazy (make notes if you have to). Then do each step, step by step, pausing the video at each step. This phone is hard to brick, their is an offline method for restoring to factory.

My too cents :)

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This phone is pretty hard to brick, just as a contingency, read all the methods for un_bricking or factory restoring your phone. You'll be fine. Then try, try again until you get it. I'm sure more people got this to work than not.

-pie too sents :)

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That's because you're petition is pointless. And I ask this with the utmost respect, what did you think this petition was going to accomplish?

My advice is to go to phandroid and look up [OUDHS]. They are a team of Debs that take on projects to help people out on things. ShabbyPenguin is who I've dealt with, he's a great dev.
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] glennnall:
I appreciate the encouragement. I'll take a go at this in a little while.

Incidentally, will I be able to get a newer version Android by rooting my phone, or just ROMs?
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] LaDY Vengeance:
Oooohhh...almost there, huh? One post away from ten! While on the topic of numbers, it's spelled two cents. Not too cents. :)
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] danno100:
Signed
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] XAlexander_AlexanderX:
Not from around here but looking to get the P769 because it seems my rezound is on its way to resting. Signed ;).
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] junglistknot:
Signed the petition.
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] LaDY Vengeance:
We can flood the LG Google+ site with some hate, y'all. If you are bored, you can go there and post a few insults. May not make much of a difference, but it beats not doing anything at all.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...Y-zz2bm-52JcGJZxQ&sig2=EmuH2-zoL_Cy1mX0uyCK5w
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] AndroidGuy78:
Signed...

Learning on my LG Optimus L9 P769 v20h Rooted and CWM by Artas182x with a few mods and tweaks.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] kta:
I just finished upgrading from Qtek 1.11 WWE Big Storage ROM to T-Mob 1.13 WWE Big Storage (with 1.13 Radio). Since the information available on the forum is spread over many threads, I thought I would amalgamate everything here ...

NB: ampda_How_To_PPC_Upgrades_V1.pdf (attached) tells you how to use ALL the tools I mention ... thanks to ampda for this useful write-up!

Before you start:

a) Take full backup of your PPC on SD using Sprite Backup or any other 3rd party app.

b) Take copy of SD on PC

Now for the ROM upgrade ...

1. Take backup of existing ROM (mine was BigStorage 1.11) on SD using romupdate.exe (attached) - Sec. 4 in PDF

2. Convert ROM (now on SD after step 1) to PC using ntrw ver2.0 (attached) - Sec. 5in PDF

3. Install 1.13 T-Mob NL WWE ROM (from ftp ... ftp://xda:xda@xda-developers.com/Magician/Shipped_ROMS/NL_11300_131_11200.exe) using MaUpgradeUt_noID (attached)

4. Follow on-screen instructions and reset device just before installing customisations (to make extended ROM accessible)

5. Copy Extended ROM to PC (for later use) using Windows Explorer

6. Install 1.13 Radio using MagicianRadio_1.13.00.zip from FTP (attached).

This will hard rerset again so make sure you press the reset before T-Mob customisation starts.

7. Repeat steps 3 and 4 to create an nb1 file of your new 1.13 ROM on PC

8. Open your new nb1 file with a Hex editor (download the latest FREE version from http://www.hhdsoftware.com/hexeditor.html), locate the 02 00 00 80 00 20 and change 80 00 to b8 01 (at 3 locations in this version of ROM - not just 2)

9. Transfer your new ROM to SD card using ntrw ver 2.0 - Step 7 in PDF

10. Dump your new Big Storage ROM onto your Magician - Step 8 in PDF

You will note that after step 10 your Magician will take a VEEEERY LONG time to boot the first time. This is normal.

Install any required Extended ROM programs from the folder created in step 5 above. To install these CAB files just copy them anywhere on your PPC and click once to install.

Enjoy!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] KoBolD:
tnx I'm going too try this!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] programatix:
It has been several months since I last visited this forum. I am wondering, why do we need to install the 1.13 Radio using MagicianRadio_1.13.00.zip in step 6?

I thought the 1.13 T-Mob NL WWE ROM should already have the 1.13 Radio... or is it unstable?

Thanks.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] pietrucci:
Nope, it has radio 1.12 (don't know why, radio version 1.13 is out for many months now...)
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] kta:
Tell us how it goes :wink:
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] programatix:
Ok, thanks for the answer. Actually I'm already using radio 1.13 for months already. Now I'm wondering about the changes from rom 1.12 to 1.13... any idea? Does the Pocket IE (with SBP Plus installed) works correctly when mutiple windows are opened?

Thanks again.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] handry:
i cannot convert ROM to PC using ntrw.exe

i hav follow the instruction by ampda_how_to_PPC_Upgrades_V1.pdf,

and i hav in section 5. i cannot convert the ROM to PC.

its appear:

c:\>ntrw read myrom.nb1 l:

usage: ntrw file drive:

can anyone helps me???

urgenttttt.....
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] hlt:
it seems easier just to decode nbf, make bigstorage patch,

change header to what's in DeviceData.txt

and then encode and flash using ROMUpgradeUt

All steps:

1. run NL_11300_131_11200.exe - this will

2. unpack files to temp - copy them ! and

3. write DeviceData.txt to \Windows - copy this one too and view with notepad

4. decode nk.nbf -> nk.nb1

5. hexedit header to correct ID from DeviceData.txt and

6. replace pattern for bigstorage in hexeditor

7. encode nk.nb1->nk.nbf

8. run ROMUpgradeUt.exe to upgrade CE image

also, this way you will save the contents of increased \Storage folder if previous rom was bigstorage one

Attach: src+bin of enc/dec utility for nbf format used in ROMUpgradeUt.exe ver. 3.0.1.0

bin is in the Release folder

Usage sample (must be run from the same folder as nbf files or specify full path):

nbfdec -d nk.nbf nk.nb1

nbfdec -e nk.nb1 nk.nbf
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] ampda:
Thanks for the thanks much appreciated
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] oltp:
Re: it seems easier just to decode nbf, make bigstorage patc

Hi hlt,

I tried your description and all I can say is: IT WORKS! And in my humble opinion this is the easiest method for BigStorage. I've some extra info in your steps, the parts where I had questions, for others to profit.

All steps:

1. unzip NL_11300_131_11200.exe (or any other shipped rom)

2. copy the getdevicedata.exe to your magician and execute to write DeviceData.txt to \Windows and view with notepad

4. decode nk.nbf -> nk.nb1

5. hexedit header to correct ID from DeviceData.txt (probably only if using a rom from other provider)

6. replace pattern for bigstorage in hexeditor

7. encode nk.nb1->nk.nbf

8. run ROMUpgradeUt.exe to upgrade CE image

also, this way you will save the contents of increased \Storage folder if previous rom was bigstorage one

Usage sample (must be run from the same folder as nbf files or specify full path):

nbfdec -d nk.nbf nk.nb1

nbfdec -e nk.nb1 nk.nbf

Thanks a lott for this wonderful piece of code,

M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] rob61280:
:D Thanks Alot, your guide has allowed me to upgrade from a very early rom to this new one which makes my mdac so much faster! i recommend this upgrade route to everyone!

thanks again

R
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] wadialdoor:
thanxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] dinoalbert:
Hi I have a question. Its been months also since I visited thise site and I didnt know there is already a new ROM for the XDA-Mini. My Rom version is 1.11.00 WWE and I did the Big Storage trick before so I dont have the ExtRom now.

If I upgrade to this new ROM versions, will I get a ExtROM back again or I still have the Big Storage?

thanks so much...
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] kta:
You will get the EXTROM back. The removal of EXTROM has to be done for every ROM you install, hence steps 8 to 10 above :-)
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] oltp:
I guess there will always be a chance of things going wrong, but as you don't forget to locate the 02 00 00 80 00 20 and change 80 00 to b8 01 in your decoded nk.nb1 and use the re-encoded nk.nbf in the upgrade you'll have BigStorage. I did it with a crippled magician, I lost all my storage with a BigStorage attempt, and it gave me back a 26.72MB storage. Now I'm moving a lot of files over to storage, so far all my 'program files' are there and large ones like album and camera. After moving some registry and shortcut changes are needed, but it works. Now got 8Mb in main memory stored and this is with a complete ext-rom installed (manually), MMS, Blackberry and Caller Id are quite large and will be gone this week after a planned hard-reset. First I need to figure out some more files to move. Keep in mind that programs from storage are starting slower than from main memory, especially when you move over the 'program files' and dll's as well.

Good luck, M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] dinoalbert:
thanks, kta for the info.

I'm itching to give it a try now. But wait....is the ROm upgrade v1.13 that you guys are talking about here, applicable to all kinds of XDA-Mini? I mean I am using the O2 XDA-Mini purchased here in the Philippines. Its asian version but its "english".

Because I remember the last upgrade I did which procedure I got from here also...I got the upgrade procedure from a thread specified for XDA Asian version. This time, I couldnt see a thread for Asian XDA specifically....instead I see there's a common thread for all. But its a T-mobile rom, isnt it? Am I in the right thread?

thanks....
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] oltp:
Hello dinoalbert,

This is a WWE rom, haven't found an asian 1.13 on the ftp. There's only one asian rom there: o2asia_11100_922_11100_ship.exe, don't know which rom you have currently so maybe you can use it. I guess the trick with exchanging radio's and the BS trick will work, won't know why not.

Gr. M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] kta:
Yes, this ROM is good for all variants of the HTC Magician, except the 850MHz radio version. You would need a different RADIO for that.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] oltp:
KTA,

Do you know the difference between the 1.12 radio and the 1.13 version? Also the 1.12 in the shipped rom has a newer file-date than the 1.13 one, or is t-mob on a different number scheme?

Thanks,

M
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] dinoalbert:
@oltp

yup thats the one that I have now...ma_o2asia_11100_922_11100_ship......thats the last ROM upgrade I did which I also got it from here last May or June I think. But that seem to be along time ago already....so I was wondering if there is a new ROM upgrade now.

@kta

so you mean I can go ahead and upgrade my rom to the latest 1.13 rom? My current radio version I think came with that rom i mentioned above...ite version 1.11.00

so what will happen if I upgrade to the latest rom? Why do I need a different radio version?

thanks again...