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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] GherkinSavorus:
I'm not familiar with these. Is it generally possible to get a developer edition as an upgrade (subsidized price) or are these full price only?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
Tick tock tick tock. What to do? What to do? I'm leaning towards not getting. I hate these decisions..lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] js0uth:
Awesome! Nice find!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
I am leaning toward it not getting too cause i will be happy with just root and i think we will get that with time
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
No full price is usually it. Just sell your n3 online and pay the difference is what im gunna do

Sent from my Verizon Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
i paid full retail for note 3 so im confused on what to do. but in the past i agree with droidrev they havent made a big impact
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] tgyberg:
SaWeet! I'm pretty sure I'm going to wait it out. :good::good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
I'm waiting for 14 days if root is not realize by then, I'm returning it and I'm waiting for the developer edition . Always been the plan but now it cemented it even more
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Honestly im sure a work around will come around (sorry had to) so just be patient.

Sent from my Verizon Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
yeah and i will be happy with just root which i hope we get before 14 days is up lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Oh yeah root is coming. We just need the odin files and cf one root method should work.

Sent from my Verizon Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
cool i hope lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] iankellogg:
Not going to work. Verizon's bootloader is locked. Same reason why the CF one root didn't work for AT&T.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Well it'll be a start to get the odin files

Sent from my Verizon Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BootlegZani:
Yeah I have to pay full retail anyway. Definitely might as well buy this one. Happy I was unable to get this on release day.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
Once we get Odin files we WILL have root.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
I would trade in note 3 & wait to sell note 2. That's why I like to have plenty of back up phones for this reason! :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jimm2:
For those on the fence about getting the developer edition, I encourage you to vote with your wallet. One thing for sure, if we keep buying locked bootloader phones, that's what the future will continue to look like.

Buying the developer edition doesn't guarantee any better future but it's the only control we have to change it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Agreed. I returned my note today to Verizon. I'm waiting it out for developer one now
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
why did you return it so early? you have until the 24th...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
congrats dude

I will be following your suit next week. I have ultimately decided that if this situation is not resolved and they dont release the dev edition by december the latest, then i will be leaving verizon for good.

I am tired of their games.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
Completely disagree, we are a SMALL amount of people that buy these phones to hack. 90% of peeps just buy it, and use it stock. VZW could give 2 $hits.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Just to make sure and sooner I get out of my hands the better lol

if it's not out by second week in November I will be buying another one off contract from somewhere

I agree too Verizon doesn't care about much anymore about money. Wait until they take unlimited data all hell will freeze over!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
Oh, they care about $. They are making plenty of it. They just dont care about our $. They are making enough without us. Trust me. Dont hold your breath for 2nd week of Nov. I have an insider at Sammy. We are lucky if we get it before Christmas. VZW controls when they are released.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] tgyberg:
Great. Man I hate those big red A-HOLES. :mad:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
oh i know they do. we are probably less then 1% of verizon note 3 users. and i heard 1st week of november that is what sammy reps told me the day i saw it. and also if we dont get by christmas might as well wait for note 4 haha and how much you want to bet the device i just returned and friends of mine is the ones verizon sends to sammy and they flash different software and become the dev ones???
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jimm2:
Why do you think they sell dev edition phones? It's not out of the kindness of their hearts, it's because they see a potential market.

If the folks here don't support it, highly doubtful there will be an option in the future. Then it's locked bootloaders for all.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
Samsung sells the Dev editions. So I don't get your point? Sammy is making some extra gravy while keeping us happy.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jimm2:
Doesn't matter who sells them. My point is if no one buys the dev edition, there won't be any in the future. I prefer having the choice.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NWNJ:
I agree 100%. All of us should be buying the developer edition. Clearly they see a market or else they wouldn't be selling it. If we don't buy it they won't do it again. QUOTE=jimm2;46603226]Doesn't matter who sells them. My point is if no one buys the dev edition, there won't be any in the future. I prefer having the choice.[/QUOTE]
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
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Yeah Sammy makes and sells them Verizon has nothing to do with it. And also I bet you the devices that are returned to Verizon are the ones that Samsung uses for developer devices what you guys think?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jimm2:
Yeah Sammy makes and sells them Verizon has nothing to do with it. And also I bet you the devices that are returned to Verizon are the ones that Samsung uses for developer devices what you guys think?

Yep, Samsung sells them but Verizon lets them on their network so they are part of the equation. The beauty of this for Verizon is no warranty claims and they still get the monthly revenue at no risk. It allows them to attract the segment who might consider moving to T-Mobile for the unlocked phones with no contract.

For Samsung, I think they see it as just another potential revenue stream. If the stream isn't there, there is no incentive to keep doing it. I really don't think it has anything to do with keeping a segment of their customer base happy.There's this thing called shareholder value that trumps customer satisfaction every time. If Sammy was motivated by customer satisfaction, they wouldn't be putting regional locks on their devices. No customer likes that.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] tgyberg:
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Good point. I'm still in! :good:

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Yep, Samsung sells them but Verizon lets them on their network so they are part of the equation. The beauty of this for Verizon is no warranty claims and they still get the monthly revenue at no risk. It allows them to attract the segment who might consider moving to T-Mobile for the unlocked phones with no contract.

For Samsung, I think they see it as just another potential revenue stream. If the stream isn't there, there is no incentive to keep doing it. I really don't think it has anything to do with keeping a segment of their customer base happy.There's this thing called shareholder value that trumps customer satisfaction every time. If Sammy was motivated by customer satisfaction, they wouldn't be putting regional locks on their devices. No customer likes that.[/QUOTE]

It would be great to get to the point where a dev edition comes out for all of the flagships.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
A developer unlocked everything flag ship phone at release date would be a huge success!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
It would be great, but VZ wouldnt do this. Shame as it would hurt sales of the locked version much at all.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
I just dont get verizon. why is s4 and note 3 locked?

Yet i can rattle off a ton of unlocked phones on verizon? s3, note 2, moto x, htc one, s3, note 2 and maybe more of the droid line i dont keep up with those though but why are those unlocked and note 3 cant be unlocked? i just dont understand their approach. if they were all locked it would make more sense to me. but some locked and some unlocked confuses me
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] willjohnson:
Just wanted an opinion or two. I have a retail N3 on VZW. I have an oppurtunity to return it and get a dev edition if i want, i paid full price to get the retail since i refuse to give up my unilimited data. So the cost is no different. I will not be developing on it i just like the freedom i have with my unlocked tablet. I cant seem to find much for the Dev edition tho, is this because no one has it yet? Just dont want to go throught the trouble of the return and all if there is not going to be much development. I was just thinking that true devs are a small part of the community, and if most everyone has a retail note3, then logically most development would be done for those? Any thoughts or opinions. Thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
You would be crazy not to return it and order the dev version since you paid full retail price. You will have to pay the $35 restocking fee, but who cares!!! The only reason I didn't get the dev version is because I got the retail for $160
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
The Samsung warranty for the Developer Edition is 30 days.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
this may seem like an offensive response, but its really not meant to be one , can you provide sources ?

Edit: Dosent the dev edition fall under other phone accessories ?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
Not meant to be offensive at all. When I ordered my DE on the Samsung website, I had to check the "agree" box that stated 30 day warranty period and warranty void if custom kernel or recovery flashed.

With that said, it looks like you certainly have evidence that the warranty is indeed 1 year.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
I see it now and thank you

No , you sir are correct. I completely forgot about that little red box. That negates the other proof.

thanks for the clarification , attached is another pic that proves your point.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
Yup, that's the warranty statement that I recall.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmorton10:
There are only about 15-20 dev edition units in existence, so I don't think there will be an overabundance of custom ROMs etc. like previous models.

There is virtually no chance the bootloader will ever be unlocked, & there are no odin restore files available, so there will never be any asop ROMs etc.

The dev edition can swap kernels, but that is really the only advantage to it at this point & this phone flies with the stock kernel so that's really no big deal anyway. I have tried tons of different kernels with previous systems, and never really found it made much (if any) performance difference.

I originally planned to sell my retail unit and buy the DE, but since I saved about $500 by getting the retail I changed my mind after realizing you really don't gain much with the DE.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
+1, I would love to have the DE version to ensure I will always have root, but after only paying $160 it doesn't make sense for me to get the DE version. Also I love knowing I have insurance just in case... if I drop it and the glass breaks replacement, lost, stolen, water damage or I screw up and flash something stupid.... replacement hahaha.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] kgbrown247:
^^ this is what I have done also
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] willjohnson:
Ok, so i figured i would propably get as many "get the DE no matter" as "keep the retail". Here's my biggest qualm about the DE. If i understand it correctly, the two phones have completely different build numbers. I remember reading that ROM's will not be cross compatible(dont remember where). So if only 20-100 people have DE phones than there will be very little development. However it has been my experience since my droid 2 days that locked or not, if a phone is super popular it will have lots of development. Any more opinions, user input on this site is usually pretty damn reliable :). Keep in mind my main concern is ROM flashing and themeing, i never really mess with kernels and radios much. Thanks again.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Thats not true. The DE device can run the same roms as retail, plus kernels, also could have aosp in the future if a dev was willing to port it. The DE device is how all Sammy devices use to be...unlocked and free as a bird. All we need is a Odin restore file to fall back on. Beanstown106 supposedly had one made up but I have not seen it posted
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] willjohnson:
Hmm, i guess i remembered wrong. So that changes things. Your basically saying the DE can run anything the Retail can, just not the other way around obviously. I thought i read it was no go both ways. If thats the case then i will definetly have to get a DE, they are really hard to brick when unlocked and using NVFlash or equivalent. Thanks again for everyones inpute.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
I dont think this is right

1- Every retail verizon rom developed for retail is compatible with dev edition. This is from personal experience, as I own a dev edition.

2- all T-mobile recoveries are compatible with verizon dev edition

3- all T-mobile kernels are compatible with dev edition , i know you dont care for it, just stating

4-only stock tars are not compatible with dev edition, and now the rumor is samsung will release dev edition tars soon . I have also read somewhere that Beans is working on , this is just rumors. EDIT : THANKS DROIDSTYLE for bringing this to my attention, we have odin files for dev edition ! and of course thanks to the man who made all this possible, Beanstown

5-Dev edition can not take OTA updates, so by definition it can not and will not ever be a subject to OTA bootlock and root loss. You can mimic that in retail edition phones: all you need to do is freeze the OTA app using titanium and you will never lose root or recovery ( safe strap in case of retail edition )

6- reasons for why i opted for dev edition : I am on grandfather unlimited, i have to pay full price to keep unlimited , there is no way in hell will i throw down 700 for a locked phone that makes no sense. I got square trade warranty on it in case of "damage", i will ( theoretically) get a check for 700 for another dev edition phone. My dev edition phone can be outdated also if development for retail phone stops, so again, the development for dev edition phone is tightly knit with retail edition. square trade was 100 for 2 years, only difference between verizon insurance and square trade is that square trade does not cover loss.

7-if hell freezes over and samsung with verizon decides to give kitkat to dev edition phones, then we wont care about losing root because we have custom recoveries that allows injection of superuser in any stock rom. But i dont see samsung being that generous to dev. phones, they are not exactly developer friendly.

8- if you need to replace retail edition phone and they update the software , all the phones that ship out from that point will have the updated software. which could potentially break root and safe strap. Then you would have to make up your mind at that future point whether to settle for stock or buy a dev edition phone which may not be available and you would have to fork addition 700 for , on top of the 150-300 you spent on retail edition initially ( subsidized price ).

I hope i didn't state any false statements, Also hope I covered some of the more recent concerns.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
Here is some reading for you that may help you decide:

http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/android/317698-android-kitkat-blocks-rootkits-but-at-what-cost

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-taking-aim-at-device-modders-in-android-4-4-kitkat/

http://www.androidauthority.com/android-4-4-verified-boot-314636/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Good post!

Ona Side note Beans posted a MJE restore file for the Dev edition...its located in his firmware collection thread second post. We are officially dialed now :cool:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] justgotmine:
Just got my DE Note 3..... However at this point I wouldnt consider myself a dev soon though. The reason I got this is I had to pay full retail anyway and why not. Anyway I am very new to all this, as a matter of fact I had to actually read the Android glossary this morning to understand what I was dealing with. Go easy on me please....

Anyway my plans for this DE Note 3 for now is to run the stock rom with rooted/SU. So questions.

1) Whats the easiest rooting method and where can I find it? Kingo?

2) I am on mj3 (not activated yet) Will there be an OTA update once Verizon activates my SIM?

3) Should I install this update?

4) After rooting is it recommended to block all OTA updates (if we even see any)?

5)Again the easiest rooting method.

I really appreciate the help and sorry again for being such a noob.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
You do not need to use kingo to root a DE. Go here > http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2525208
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechSavvy2:
1 - That's the nice part of Dev Edition phones....all you have to do is flash a custom recovery via Odin, then flash superuser zip from within that custom recovery :)

2 - As stated before, you will not receive any ota updates. Ever. You have to manually flash them, and can use the ones Beans has put together. But make sure to flash the correct files (Dev Edition ones).

3 - see #2

4 - unnecessary, see #2

5 - see #1
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] justgotmine:
Thanks....This dont seem too bad....

I think I'm right here but in one of the steps on your link it says

"Step 3: Download the SuperSU.zip to the root of your Internal SD"

This does mean put the file in /device/root folder on my phone, correct?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
Means put the file in Internal SD Card.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] justgotmine:
Yes, but does it specifically need to be in /device/root folder on my internal SD?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mrlaigle:
It could be that my previous non DE note 3 was broken or.. That my DE note 3 is a super device.. But I am getting double the down load speed on my DE... Tested both at same place and time. So.. Not to start a conspiracy... But..

Note that compared to my note 2 the DE speeds are the same. The non DE speeds were much slower than my Note 2.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
There is not a root folder. Just put it in the SD card, no folder. Then it will be in root of SD.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] r1ndr3w:
You might not have to download supersu. After installing TWRP, phone rebooted. Next time i rebooted into recovery I was prompted to install supersup. I believe Oneandroidnut mentions that in the guide too. After that, supersu is installed and can update it through Play.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sdaelr:
I just started following directions on post http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2483380 I got to step 6 "Step 6: Hit Start, Odin should take less then 15 seconds before indicating completion" odin says "pass" but phone has been saying "downloading do not turn off target" for about 15 min now. Is this the point where I go to next step"Step 7: Unplug device, Pull and Re-insert battery, Press and Hold the Volume UP/Home/Power buttons until you see the Samsung logo or indication that the device is Recovery Booting.

" or do I wait for phone screen to change? This is my first time rooting so not sure what I should do. Thanks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Release the buttons and it should boot into recovery.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sdaelr:
Im not holding any buttons. Phone is still plugged into computer odin says "pass"

<ID:0/003> recovery.img

<ID:0/003> NAND Write Start!!

<ID:0/003> RQT_CLOSE !!

<ID:0/003> RES OK !!

<ID:0/003> Remain Port .... 0

<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 1 / failed 0)

However phone screen still says downloading

---------- Post added at 02:04 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:30 AM ----------

Almost 45min now phone is hung on "downloading do not turn off target" should I disconnect and try to start over?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
Disconnected from computer and pull battery. Reinsert battery and reboot. Should be ok. You should be good to go.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
Unless you have reboot checked in odin the phone will stay on that screen until you pull the battery.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sdaelr:
Thanks a lot.... Now I forgotten to put the superuser file on the sd card can I just reboot and add that file then come back to twrp?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
Yup. You can download it or transfer it and reboot into twrp to flash it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sdaelr:
Thanks your guys are awesome... I have now rooted my first time and the DE is working great. Any other recommendations?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam1pbell:
Those of you that ordered the developer addition. How long did it take to send a tracking number. For 1 day delivery. I checked the website and it said back ordered. Then I checked a couple hours later and it didn't say back ordered. So I ordered one . They accepted payment and everything. I received my confirmation email but not my tracking. That's been 7 hrs ago.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mrlaigle:
They are backed up took 3 days to ship mine. It came overnight but didn't leave for 3 days.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xXJay_RXx:
Did you try to get back your money for the overnight shipping? I would since it wasn't exactly overnight

Sent from my Dev Edition Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
What build are you on? Have you flashed the MJE modem? Beans also has a MJE tar for the DE that will bring your phone to the latest build available. Check out this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2524572

Or you can flash Build 5 of beans' rom. ;) That will also get you there. Modem is flashed separately in both cases though.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xXJay_RXx:
Okay so I'm gonna update to the latest Beans that's for the new update. Now I've been out of the loop since I've been quite pleased with the current version I'm on and I haven't really been on here. Do we got to update the firmware and radios for our developer editions? If so, where? I'm just afraid to flash something that's meant for the retail version so I thought I'd ask here. Thanks

Sent from my Dev Edition Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mrlaigle:
Indeed. Called before it shipped out and was told I would get a credit. Dude actually called back to days later to confirm the credit. You hear them say they will call you back all the time. But I have dealt with three different people with Samsung and the have all called back or followed through. Very good customer service.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
Look at my post above yours. You need to odin the MJE modem then flash beans build 5 in twrp. Build 5 is based on mje and also flashes the new kernel on the DE automatically.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xXJay_RXx:
Ya we posted at the same time so I didn't see that lol thanks. Sucks that I have to Odin it. My I used my brother's computer to root my N3 since I got a macbook. Would Mobile Odin from the play store work by any chance?

Sent from my Dev Edition Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
Lol! Sorry don't have any experience with Mobil Odin but read that it works with unlocked bootloaders. But can't confirm. Any one else know?