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[Nexus 5 General] mi7chy:
Everyone forgetting about Google's acquisition of Flexycore Droidbooster native binary optimization technology that not only increases performance several fold but also battery life? Wouldn't be surprised if it's integrated into Android 4.4 Kit Kat.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Flexpansion.lexpress.fr%2Fhigh-tech%2Fgoogle-a-rachete-la-start-up-francaise-flexycore_408510.html

http://youtu.be/hnFLx2TOYqM
[Nexus 5 General] kanwal236:
Interactive was an amazing governor for my SGS1, got 8~9 hours screentime easy with semaphore's kernel back in the day, but I have not found it to play nicely with the nexus and franco's kernel didn't offer much in terms of battery for me. Try out faux's mainline kernel, JWR or JSS depending on the rom. I'll attach my kernel settings. Make sure you're not using obvious draining features like sweep2wake.

I did not turn off any functions, I had wifi on, a decent signal as you can see, NFC and Sync all on. My hotmail account has push email on, along with one of my 3 gmail accounts and most gmail sync options on, I don't sync Currents, Photos, Books, or Magazines. I also did not underclock the CPU. I got on average of 3~4 hours on stock back when it was 4.2, 4.3 stock has wonderful battery, about 5~6h. I get about the same or better with the custom kernel. When it's good, it's really good, when its bad, its no worse than stock.

Take note that the biggest battery drain in the Nexus 4 is the radio and signal strength. If the signal is alright you'll see really good battery, the worse the signal, the worse your battery life. I was in my house at the time with decent/good (not great) signal, this gives you pretty decent battery life.

When I took the screenshots I was mostly on reddit through an app, played some superhexagon, and used chrome beta browser.

One thing to note is that I'm running .33/.87 hybrid radio with LTE/GSM/CDMA selected.

Apps I use for battery life are Greenify and Snapdragon Battery Guru, no runaway app battery drain with these, effectiveness depending on individual user.

Edit: Thermal throttling is also a big reason for the battery problems in the N4, I like my thermal settings, give them a try.
[Nexus 5 General] Watcher07:
Don't think anyone forgot about it, but the acquisition was made very recently, integrating something like that takes time. It's possible but unlikely that they worked out some kind of deal to put the software to use in 4.4 before the acquisition was final. More likely is that it's something we'll see built into Android 5.0 whenever that comes around the bend. Each iteration of Android since ICS has been moving more and more towards the same goal of seeing fragmentation reduced or eliminated and smoothing out the user experience. 4.4 through supposedly leaked details seems to be continuing the trend but it feels like that acquisition won't be able to help out much in the short term and would be something applied later after it's been built-in and thoroughly tested. But who knows, hopefully it's there.
[Nexus 5 General] mi7chy:
I'm going to be optimistic because of this:

"acquisition process began in September 2012 and comes to an end in early October"

And, it seems like a straight forward drop in compiler replacement but we'll see soon enough.
[Nexus 5 General] .jond:
IMO, I would rather have double the battery than double the processing power.

I think it would be far better marketing to say 'the first smartphone that can go a week between charges'.
[Nexus 5 General] Rufufu:
IMO, nowadays, it is possible to double the CPU power, but impossible to double the battery capacity (without increase dramatically the phone thickness).
[Nexus 5 General] .jond:
Yeah I guess it's more getting everything as efficient as possible is the key.
[Nexus 5 General] Thijsvr:
Yeah that could work...

;)
[Nexus 5 General] kcharng:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7251/lg-g2-and-msm8974-snapdragon-800-a-quick-look/3

Here is anantech takes on LG g2 battery review. I would really love to see comparison with nexus 5 when it comes out.

-LG G2
[Nexus 5 General] edr1983:
All i need the nexus 5 to do is last long enough to get me past my 30 minute lunch and two 15 minute breaks with the occasional txt and youtube video.:highfive:. If it can do that then I'll be happy.
[Nexus 5 General] CrashTestDroid:
Sounds pretty good. I noticed the prices of G2 have dropped on ebay and locally, G2 will prob cost less than the Nexus 5 when it shows up. If I hadn't got a Note 3 the $420 unlocked G2 pricetag is attractive.

Looks like only D800 has taken off, the carrier variants are pretty dead. TMO for example. ATT too. Didn't check the rest.
[Nexus 5 General] tim440:
My girlfriend's G2 has been on for 13 and a half hours and it's still on 80%. She's only got 34 minutes screen time, but that's still not bad. If the N5 is as efficient, it would be on 74% after the same amount of time. If it's that good, I think I'll be able to live with it.
[Nexus 5 General] kcharng:
Have you looked in the Original development section?

-LG G2
[Nexus 5 General] neugenusis:
Not sure what he sees, but I doubt what Crash is saying is true.
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
i beg to differ. this is my nexus 4

Screenshot #1 was taken with the battery at ~40%

Screenshot #3 is just under 10 hours of screen on time

__________________________

and I'm running stock 4.3. turning off things like location, nfc, and a couple wifi settings and no auto brightness. the BIG factor that I figured out was the screen brightness. these screenshots were taken with the brightness set to the very first notch. it takes a day or two for your eyes to the darker screen, and of course you'll need to make it brighter when outside/different locations. but if possible, crank that brightness down as low as possible

edit - this usage was with the phone on all day while i was working. sometimes it sits for 30 minutes or an hour and ill keep it from sleeping. and then ill go into heavy usage for 1-2 hours during a break or lunch or whatever. most usage is either in whatsapp(probably 70%) and the rest is usually in chrome. searching, saving images and saving text bits
[Nexus 5 General] aa10:
[MENTION=320897]People[/MENTION] worried about battery life - ever heard of a power bank? :silly:
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
I will still buy one but if the battery life is sub-par I will just go back to my G2. The G2 battery life is amazing so I don't expect it to necessarily do AS good, but I won't stick with the N5 if it is far worse. As mentioned by others battery life has become more of an importance, and with the G2 being almost better specced (software aside) it wouldn't make sense to lose a bunch of battery life just for AOSP/KitKat.
[Nexus 5 General] kcharng:
My usage graph never look anything like yours. I realised that everyone usage is different but that flat constant slope is very suspicious to me.

-LG G2
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
theres a screen of what my processor usually sits at, maybe to show that while it's on a lot and im using it a lot, its usually light weight stuff. this is with wifi always on and everything cell related off, always.
[Nexus 5 General] bilago:
If you never use the cellular radio... why didn't you just get a Nexus 7...
[Nexus 5 General] yuan_1202:
If it gives me an average screen on time of 7 hrs and camera performance on par with my one s, I will get it.
[Nexus 5 General] kcharng:
Keeping your phone on airplane mode all day and only enable wifi is not what most of us would call normal daily use.

-LG G2
[Nexus 5 General] flameinthefire:
This is the only thing i am worried about. I think the battery life will not be great! The battery life on the nexus 4 sucked!
[Nexus 5 General] abnesher:
Sigh, Google....how could you? A 2300mAh battery without being able to install another one? I'm just so dissapointed.

Guess im getting that LGG2 tomorrow, too :(
[Nexus 5 General] Kawaisa:
Yes, strapping a power bank to the phone is the same thing as a larger capacity battery
[Nexus 5 General] chanchester:
Makes you worried during any customization

Definitely.

A non-removable battery makes you cautious, and sometimes without reason, while customizing ROMs or flashing or restarting it.
[Nexus 5 General] Goronok:
You all are crazy. My HTC One with same size battery does just fine. While I would've liked a larger battery, 2300mah isn't THAT awful.
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
i have a nexus 7. and i used to have cell service and data too, it wasn't until a few weeks ago that i got rid of it. in any case, im still around wifi 95% of my time
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
What?? This is a VERY common thing. These phone with non-removable batteries have hardware restarts built in, pulling the battery is a LONG time thing of the past and very unnecessary. ROMing the HTC One and Nexus 4 has never been an issue, for example.

People need to get off this removable battery crap, so pointless. If you need more juice get a pack or buy a different phone, end of story.

LG G2 is better specced in most ways and the battery life is insane, buy that. No removable battery though.
[Nexus 5 General] chanchester:
ROMing the Nexus 4 was definitely not an issue. :victory:

I ran stable CM mods and some Kangs till they stopped releases for a while.

But if you do keep flashing nightlies and release candidates, there might be a necessity to go old school and remove your battery when hardware restarts fail.

:good:
[Nexus 5 General] lensgrabber:
My Moto X has about the same size battery and it's awesome. 3000 would have been great but I'm going to hope the S800 and Kit Kat has some good optimizations added that will help the smaller size.
[Nexus 5 General] andTab:
Give that it is the size of a fing BRICK, it should have had the bigger battery.

No thank you! I guess it is the GNexus and N4 all over again with ****ty battery life that doesn't get you through the day.
[Nexus 5 General] lalec:
Like you, my phone is primarily a communication and work device and battery life is very important. I've yet to find a smartphone with battery life that even comes close to the Nokia N95 I used for 5+ years but I started using an LTE tablet that can go days between charges. Using in combination with my phone I can get through a long business day.
[Nexus 5 General] noobdeagle:
i know you are a troll but!,

the phone is far from a brick its actually quite small. the battery is not a huge issue 4.4 brings quite a few battery saving enhancements. also the S800 is a more efficient CPU so again its a power saving.

and remember your complaining about a phone that is really cheap compared to the other high end devices. they have to cut costs somewhere.

Ive never had a problem with my Nexus 4 lasting a whole day nexus 5 should only be better.
[Nexus 5 General] kcharng:
Other than battery capacity, Google dropped another bombed yesterday by not supporting 4.4 on Galaxy Nexus.

Seemed like having nexus device does not guaranteed you more than 2 years before end of life.

-LG G2
[Nexus 5 General] nighthawk626:
i was looking to sell my galaxy note 3 and buy a nexus 5 but im just gonna skip on that. hopefully the nexus 5 would be made by samsung. i do value removable battery because it means i can look for companies like hyperion and zerolemon to make extended batteries. as far as tons of ROM flashing, i've settled down to either aokp, carbo or pac-man rom so if any of em makes a stable rom then im more than happy with my non nexus phone. such a shame too
[Nexus 5 General] msavic6:
Its ironic they did that considering their push to have KitKat run on all devices including those with weak hardware.
[Nexus 5 General] oupavoc:
It should be ok! I'm getting it :)
[Nexus 5 General] Phazmos:
Kitkat is supposed to run on 512 ram. Gnex qualifies, and in sure we'll see a rom based on kitkat before ya know it. Won't have all the features, but it will be based on kitkat.
[Nexus 5 General] HRodMusic:
my htc one has 2300 and it gets me thru the day perfectly fine and more.. so i could only imagine this will do the same, so its fine with me.
[Nexus 5 General] sebtorres82:
Not at all. But it will be different from my Note 2 battery :)
[Nexus 5 General] player911:
Just got my G2 a few days ago and while I was skeptical I'm glad I did. I'm on Verizon and it has tons of development and roms. I think most of the development was for the international and Verizon versions initially since the N5 wasn't announced.

Now that it's out we'll see a flood of AT&T and TMobile users who didn't go to N5.

I'm seeing 50% gains over my GNex on Verizon with LTE disabled... and this is still with the newness factor with me on it all day (compared to My GNex I would use occasionally). Make sense? Basically I have 50% power remaining on my G2 at 5pm under heavy usage vs my GNex being dead with light usage.

We'll see how it goes. The GNex was fun for 2 years even though it got crappy toward the end.
[Nexus 5 General] msavic6:
Hopfully it has better signal strength than the S4, the weak LTE signal in my school slaughters my battery
[Nexus 5 General] queer~dude:
sorry i have a dumb question

is Nexus 5 battery removable unlike iphone's....

thanks
[Nexus 5 General] kaidynamite:
No it's not. Non removable 2300mah battery.
[Nexus 5 General] corythug:
No, it's unibody like iPhone or HTC one
[Nexus 5 General] wideasleep1:
After near complete disassembly, the cell can be removed. I wouldn't want to do it, but could if I had to.
[Nexus 5 General] 3UR0TR45H:
I can't believe people think that Google would put out a phone that wouldn't last a day of reasonable use. News flash: If you need more than 3 hours SOT, you need to get out more often.
[Nexus 5 General] Kawaisa:
I'll reserve my judgement until the battery benchmarks come out, but the whole external batteries argument is BS. That's like saying I should live with jeans that only have one side pocket instead of two and then carry a murse with me wherever I go to make up for it.
[Nexus 5 General] Enddo:
this has nothing to do with google. I read TI doesn't support the chip used in that device anymore. Google had no choice
[Nexus 5 General] mx597turbo:
In response to the topic, yes, the small, non-removable battery stopped me from buying the phone today. I'll either wait for the S5 or pick up a used S4.
[Nexus 5 General] CDeviant:
I want to "No Thank You" You.

3 hours is seriously no time at all. When sot comes to 5 hours average, and maybe eek out 7-8, then you have an argument, as that is most of the day. Otherwise, go away.
[Nexus 5 General] force70:
And if that phone was LTE capable in canada id have have one for sure. I ordered a white 32g n5 so lets see how bad or good the battery turns out to be.it was so cheap ill.keep it as another backup phone even if battery life isnt great
[Nexus 5 General] kcharng:
Not putting the hate on Google, but I am sure Google would finds a way if they slightly put their mind to it.

-LG G2
[Nexus 5 General] ELCUPRA:
THANKS
[Nexus 5 General] cswithxda:
While respecting the use pattern of everyone here, I gotta say, spend some time away from your phone :) It's good for your health (not being baked by some evil electromagnetic radiation), and also solves battery issue big time. It is that scary that talking on cellphone too much is correlated (if not a direct causal relation) with getting cancer and Leukemia and all that terrible stuff. Not to mention the quickly worsened eyesight caused by constantly staring at the tiny texts. Of course, it depends largely on different genes and living conditions, but still, do what you can do the best right?

Again, I firmly believe that you should use your phone the way you like. I only find myself using my phone the most when I take a dump :p

That said, I, too, want a bigger battery -- ironic... The best phone battery-wise I had was Note 2, which lasts me 24 hours w/o charging (u can imagine how much time -- or not much time -- I spend with my phone lol). It feels amazing to always find there is juice left when I accidentally forgot to charge it overnight or something. So I hope there will be a hack maybe to allow us put in a battery with higher capacity? I was actually looking for one for N4. I mean, if they can replace a dead battery, why can't they replace it with a higher-capacity one with identical dimension. If there isn't one, just make one already.
[Nexus 5 General] cobyman7035:
so the battery will be WORSE then the nexus4? i mean with custom rom and kernel, it will get like 5hours SOT im pleased

its dissappointing that its only 2300 not 3200+, im not heavy user but i don't like charging it every day
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
That was the case for me as well until the LG G2. The G2 slaughters even the Note 2 in terms of battery life for me. It is the first phone I can reliably go a night without charging, and I have even gone 2 nights a few times. It blows my mind. Some days when I don't use it much I go to plug it in and it is at 98%, I'm like wtf?? (unplugged for 16-18 hours).
[Nexus 5 General] wos82c:
Will buy one :D
[Nexus 5 General] cswithxda:
That's one point I forgot to make.

If it's not worse than N4, I don't see any reason to not buy (fair to complain though), because if everything else is improved, why let identical battery performance stop you from buying. Well that is if you got spare money and spare love for Nexus!

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Hey shut up! I don't want this information after I've put an order with Nexus 5?! Now what, am I supposed to cancel the order and get G2 instead? :p

So are you also gonna get N5 at all? I just read (as I barely followed anything about G2) that G2 is even larger than N5? Please tell me that, so I don't have to make more decisions, because N5 is at my top limit as to phone sizes. I've owned larger Note series, and hatefully ditched them because I realized what a pain it was whenever I bend over to maybe tie my shoes and the phone in my pocket would either hurt my ribs, or Prostate, depending on what pocket the phone was in. I bet a lot of people have been there!
[Nexus 5 General] tim440:
The G2 is bigger, but only very slightly.
[Nexus 5 General] cswithxda:
Thank you.

Let me see, ~$200 more, heavier, obvious LG logo... Nope I'll stick with N5 XD

I do love the camera slider design though, as well as the center-positioned camera, and also the larger battery of course. It's not a perfect world I guess.
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
Absolutely, preordered mine! battery life still looks very good on the N5.

The G2 is 1mm bigger (roughly, in all directions) and weighs an insignificant amount more. That info is really irrelevant.

What you are really comparing is bigger battery, bigger screen, better camera Vs Better software/updates/cheaper/nocontract.
[Nexus 5 General] cobyman7035:
I bought a 32 gigabyte white Nexus 5 but I would we rather use a Nexus 7 LTEmuch more

Via my NeXus™ ⅞FHD on Tapatalk pro 4.2
[Nexus 5 General] dannyben:
Non removable/swappable 2300mA battery & only a 32GB without ext SD card......

Wouldnt even think of getting one. Even @ half price.
[Nexus 5 General] Alfonso87:
:D
[Nexus 5 General] acPIZZA:
The G2's software is aesthetically unbearable and bloated to the max. The hardware was awesome though, which is why I have high hopes for the N5.
[Nexus 5 General] MA3STRO:
Is it really that bad? I've been looking at reviews for the LG G2 and they have mostly been favourable in this regard.
[Nexus 5 General] acPIZZA:
Fortunately the phone is rootable, so there is a decent amount you can do to not have to deal with the lg stuff because everything down to the icons goes against android design and is truly ugly. After root and some tweaks, the phone is a beast. I just yearn for the stock consistency.
[Nexus 5 General] MA3STRO:
Though if the phone was bricked, would LG honour their warranty if you had rooted it? I know Samsung are pretty touch on this issue.
[Nexus 5 General] chrisjcks:
Haven't Google already stated 17hrs talk time for the N5?

LG G2 is 17.5hrs I think.

And Google mentioned 7hrs usage on LTE.

So, if 7hrs SOT really is possible on LTE - that's super impressive.

I'm waiting for all the initial battery tests :)
[Nexus 5 General] msavic6:
7 hours of SOT on LTE is unheard of on any android device, G2 and Note 3 included. If Google even manages to pull off 4:30 of SOT on LTE I will be impressed.
[Nexus 5 General] crawlgsx:
Personal preference I guess. It is aesthetically much more pleasing than TouchWiz to me, I cant stand the look of Touchwiz and it functions better IMO as well. AOSP I personally find very bland and boring so I guess to each there own. Anyway as mentioned you can run whatever you want anyway. I am running PA on my G2 and have none of the bloat or stock aesthetics lol.

Also as mentioned those who actually try the G2 are quite impressed with the stock functionality LG has provided. It really is a huge improvement IMO over LG's past software and over TouchWiz. It could still use tweaks of course and it could most definitely be improved upon aesthetically but it really isn't that bad. As far as bloat goes, again I guess it depends on what you compare to / are used to. Compared to AOSP of course it is awful. Compared to any Samsung on AT&T, it's closer to bloat free lol.

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Truckload of salt waiting for my own judgement here. If the G2 gets around 17.5 I say fat chance that the N5 gets 17. Pretty simple really, same hardware with .2" smaller screen but a 30% smaller battery. KitKat would have to be doing some pretty impressive juice sipping to keep up.
[Nexus 5 General] Diz:
2300mah is a good battery size

my htc one has the exact same size battery size & i can get 7 hours screen on time
[Nexus 5 General] rg400smarttowel:
I think 2,300mAh is enought. I just need it to last 24 hours until I get home to charge it.
[Nexus 5 General] chakra:
No, I have a G2 it's great, it's tmobile though and they don't add as much bloat, plus I use TiBu to freeze a bunch on junk anyway. Awesome battery life, great screen, very good phone. No dev support at all, ok , one trying very hard to support all the carriers and doing a good job at it. But that's it at this point.
[Nexus 5 General] edr1983:
You work 24 hrs straight? Or even if you worked 8 hours - your not on your phone 8 hours. You get 2 breaks and a lunch. :)
[Nexus 5 General] neugenusis:
Apparently he has a life outside of work.

Anyways, i'm waiting for some hopefully unbiased official battery tests.
[Nexus 5 General] jklondon:
Very glad I got my G2 in the end after seeing this, was worried they would come out with a 3000 battery for the N5. Cant live with 2300.
[Nexus 5 General] Zorachus:
LOL at the HTC One known for getting 7h On Screen time. That is definitely not the norm whatsoever. The One is known to be similar to the Nexus 4 battery life just a little better. But no way 7 hours on screen time. More like 4 to 4.5 hours.

And LOL at Google saying Nexus 5 can do 7.5h On Screen time on LTE. No way, no way. Only phones that can do that are the beasts with large 3,000mAh+ and bigger batteries like the Note line and Motorola MAXX phones.
[Nexus 5 General] Super Chimp:
It is slightly head scratching why they put such a relatively small battery in it. Did they think that using pure Android over the LG UI on the G2 would make so much difference that they could use a considerably smaller battery.
[Nexus 5 General] kayone73:
Hasn't stopped me from ordering one, i also have the HTC One, not the best battery life but liveable

Sent from my HTC One Sinless Google Edition rom
[Nexus 5 General] MattSkeet:
did you read the small print??
[Nexus 5 General] ggreenwood334:
I still got one. Kinda disappointed. But will be OK. I like the high end nexus. But would sacrifice a little bigger phone and a few bucks for an all day+ battery