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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
Ok makes sense now . thank you !
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Before things get out of hand, we all need to see that if something does go wrong, there should be a way to press restart. In my early days i accidentally over rode my custom recovery and had to flash stock with LGs version of odin
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] tgyberg:
Yes, not a good idea to tight rope walk without a net! :D
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
The comment was not snide, you are very sensitive and tend to back peddle when corrected. If you bootloop/soft brick and can not access recovery then you need Odin to recover. Again Developers need Stock Odin files. Designgears bricked his deviced getting us root. Unfortunately Odin couldnt save him, but my point is Developers take the risks to bring you mods/roms that are safe to flash.

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There is a reason I wrote the tutorial thats stickied...in my past experience dating back to the very first galaxy s, many folks softbricked thier devices trying different things. Alot of the time its from not researching, using the wrong recovery version...etc. anyway a nandroid back up is not a fail safe. Stock Odin files are a must, Beans even said, so I am not sure why my posts are being debated. If you care to take the time, click on my guide links and sift thru a few pages of each. I am here to help folks, please dont take things the wrong way. :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
yes

thanks ill let u know.. right now just trying to find files etc. and figure this out

when i flashed the system.img i created instead of the secure check fail that we would get on retail i got not permitted dev_device or something along those lines i will take a pic n post it

ya im giving this some thought before i flash twrp and trip knox :/

if i cant get into twrp how am i supposed to restore my backup.. droidstyle knows what hes talking about he has been around as long as i have been making roms etc.

pretty much im curious of this myself.. and ya if they are gonna break odin at least give us fastboot.. smh
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Yup we all did something stupid in the beginning and just because you have a nandroid doesn't mean your safe.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SeanPlunk:
Did previous Dev Editions like the GSIV have this same issue with Odin?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
no the s4 let u odin but apparently people locked the device by odining the full retail tar..

but all they need todo is have an efuse that is not overwritable to make the phone a dev edition like motorolla does. basically sammy just took the cheap way out and made the dev edition with software and disabled odin
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
So if odin is completely disabled we just have nandroids to rely on? Sucks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
Sent from my SCH-I545 running cm 10.2
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SeanPlunk:
Without the ability to Odin it really gimps the device. As already outlined above nandroids only work in specific situations and can't always save you.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
You got it to work??
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] r1ndr3w:
I know this is off topic from this thread but there are a lot of very smart folks monitoring this one.

What is the consensus on being able to root the N3 retail version going forward? Will Samsung make it impossible?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
As long as you use safestrap you'll be ok.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] r1ndr3w:
Asking about root, nothing else, no safestrap.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
If you take the updates then yeah it could be patched
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SeanPlunk:
Nobody really knows. So far they have been able to root it. Any guarantees going forward would just be guessing.

The devs are super talented though and usually find a way.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] r1ndr3w:
So far no root for the latest build though. At least I haven't seen that yet.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SeanPlunk:
I thought KingoRoot still worked, I could be mistaken.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
It does but its not supported by xda
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] r1ndr3w:
Guess I should check that out. Thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
you still need to root if you have the dev edition. what this means is the bootloader is unlocked so then, once a recovery is fitted for this device, you could download the goo manager app and flash a custom recovery with ease. It would eliminate everyone's concerns with the OTA possibility, and honestly I will most likely get it. with root being achieved now, I can back up everything and when I get the dev edition, just root and re-install everything with a few clicks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
The s4 never had a unlocked bootloader... the Loki exploit was able to allow a custom recovery to be flashed, but was patched on the first update. How do you know there will be support for the locked N3? Look in the s4 section, all the rom support is for loki capable devices that did not take the update. There is still very little safestrap supported roms for the s4. Devs will start supporting DE devices more because Carrier updates patching exploits cause alot of headache. Look at the N2 section, there is 3 different unlock threads for each update. A locked device is just a royal pain in the ass, because methods change, folks dont read, lots of devices get soft/hard bricked...basically its just a mess.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Correct but none of us have taken any updates either. I don't know if there will be support but I can tell you there is 100x more people with the note 3 from Verizon then the unlocked de one. And not my problem people don't read and methods change. That's how things are. Dev edition isn't as widely available yet. I'm not saying devs won't support locked n3 or unlocked de one but right now tons more people have the Verizon locked one
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NWNJ:
Well, that is true, but if they really get one, that would simply have to change. With a developer edition there is no reason for any of us to get the standard version which is locked. Unless of course they won't subsidize it, but I don't want is subsidized anyway, and since it is the same version, why wouldn't the same roms or programs or whatever work on both? They are the exact same model number.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Well I for one don't like the fact that we don't know if or when it comes out. If it comes out in 6-8 weeks it isn't worth it to me. And also no I believe it has its own model number. And they won't subsidize it as well
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NWNJ:
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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
I heard first week of November and where did he said that too??
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NWNJ:
I take it back, in post 66 in this thread someone said it, but he was talking to Beans. I misread it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
That was me. And that was according to Karen at Samsung so if they are like Verizon reps who knows. I talked to somebody yesterday and they said they couldn't confirm when
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NWNJ:
I see. Well, thanks for the information. Keep us updated. I really thought that was Beans. Completely misread the post. I guess it was hopeful thinking. Seeing what I wanted to see.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
That's ok man I understand I'm just torn on what to do
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NWNJ:
I am so happy with my note 2 and all of the custom roms that I already have for it that I will be sticking with it until the developer edition comes out, whenever that is. I will likely jump on the developer edition though. I figure I already have everything I need with the Note 2 so I don't have a big need to jump into something that has a locked bootloader. I have that with safestrap on an older phone and consider that to be considerably more difficult to work with than what I have with the unlocked bootloader on my note 2. I will definitely wait. The more I think about how happy I am with the unlocked bootloader on the Note 2, the more sure I am that I will wait.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Yeah I feel ya. I'm on note 3 with just rooted and can't put this thing down so I might be fine like this. Phone is fast man and trying to sell my nexus to get s off HTC one cause I love HTC sense! So that might help me wanting note 3 de
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Obviously there is 100x more people on the Locked N3, the DE is not even out yet lol...thats a moot point anyway. Devs do not get paid for thier work most of the time so why would they care if 100 people followed there work or 10000? there will never be as many DE devices, which is a good thing. This is going to weed out the folks who do not read before flashing and will not take responsibility for thier screw up and commit insurance fraud. Its going to turn this site back into what it once was...a community of folks who donated, supported, and appreciated the work created by devs.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Look at s4, s3 & note 2 for developer edition sales it speaks for what note 3 will be. And while devs don't earn a paycheck like I or us get paid week to week they do get donations or bounties for root like on the note 3 or the $5,000 payday HTC one s off got. Nothing and I mean nothing like that is available for the dev edition. A lot less followers a lot less donations a lot less money. While it may be for fun it all comes down to the money and followers. I still haven't made a decision on de n3 or not yet. And why would we all not want everybody to have de? Cause their wouldn't be revenue? Nobody would ever brick they could just flash right back no big deal
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mstickland:
One thing interests me, It pysically has an spen but runs pure android 4.3 or 4.4 w/e.. That means theres no Spen resources or usefulness? I mean, ofcourse, until you flash the appropriate rom?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Beans is getting it. Soo We will see
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechSavvy2:
You realize the sales of the S4, S3, and N2 are strictly regulated by Samsung right? Every time they've been available, they've instantly sold out. Lots of people had tried to get their hands on them, but supply/demand issues got in the way... (Plus S3 and N2 had unlocked bootloaders before DE devices even came out, so at that point why would anyone have paid the extra $400 just for official?)

Do you seem to think devs do this for the donations? You seem to be VERY confused my friend. You make it sound like its 100% about the money. Yes, that may change if you attain a $5000 bounty (:eek::eek::eek:). I know MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY devs who could give a sh1t less about the donations, whom usually tell people to donate to a random charity instead. They definately appreciate them, but don't expect them. The only reason a lot of them even claim the bounty is because you can't let cheapskate s***heads get away with A) mooching off others work for free and *****ing when any little error comes along, or B) so people aren't like "I'll donate $1,000,000 dollars to the charity if I can haz unlock bootloader!" and then magically disappear when bounty claim rolls around. They do this because they like it and enjoy it. Not for the money. I completely 100% agree with Droidstyle, this is much more enjoyable with DE devices rather than a mass flood of unlocked people. Then you have a thousand noobs who F their phones because they can't read and piss everyone else off freaking out about how to fix it. Makes the experience much more enjoyable to avoid those, right?

And you still have a LOT of the same problems with DE in your phrase of "flash back and its no big deal". You know even the standard consumer devices can "flash back no big deal" also right? Odin works the same in either case, as long as you're using completely stock tar files.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
No no it comes with tw just like retail version this is not a Google edition on stock android

I agree with 0%
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
your logic is flawed...from here on we will just agree to disagree and move on.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SeanPlunk:
Oops, didn't know that. I guess I'll stop mentioning that going forward.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Marvelicious75:
Honestly, we aren't getting what we paid for here. 'Developer Device'? How the eff is a guy supposed to develop anything without a way to fix his mistakes?

Just to ask a stupid question... is there any chance a different version of Odin would work? or Heimdall? Just throwing it out there...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] somethingsomethingroot:
I read that it still works too, but folks have been suspicious of Kingo's spyware allegations.

I'm looking for a DE root method as well. I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere in this thread.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Check out beans pic 2 pages ago
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SeanPlunk:
It appears that Beans got it working, so the crisis may be averted.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Marvelicious75:
Maybe I misinterpreted that pic. I took the big red Unsupport dev_type to mean it wasn't working still, and that he was just showing us a shot of the error message. I guess the fact that it says Downloading... is more significant

This will be my first Samsung device, so I'm not familiar with Odin's loading screens...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
[MENTION=4655860]Marvelicious75[/MENTION] your right. He didnt get it working. I re read a few post and jumped the gun. He said he would post a pic of the failure message which says unsupported dev device indicating it does not work.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
If you're rooted on the previous build before ota you can use supersu pro and take ota and keep root
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
Wow! Wtf is the point of the Dev edition??
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
I spoke with a mod today and they stated kingo is actively working on updating the root to exclude imei and any other concerns

Sent from my SM-N900V using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
Fastboot: that was to be my next question, why not adb backup/restore/fastboot work, is it something Samsung has to provide?

So if we get our Odinable stock tar then it will be used to unlock retail version.

via LG Spectrum (waiting for N3 DE) & tapatalk
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
It wont flash. Samsung wouldn't make it that easy.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cveez11:
Just a thought. Many people such as myself are not true developers, but have been flashing roms etc. for years and just wanted a device with that ability. Maybe if a true developer (that can answer technical developer questions) could call Samsung tech. support and ask about odin etc. and see what their take is on this "developer edition" phone. I just wanted to be able to flash Jellybeans rom on this phone like i did on my note 2 with custom kernals. As soon as beanstown106 said he was getting the developer edition, I knew i had to have one as well.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Exactly i dont know why samsung wont provide the files. if its a developer phone they should
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Surge1223:
So unsupported device type, are the device names the same for dev and retail in the note3 build.prop? On the Vzw GS4 both dev and retail say:

ro.product.model >SCH-1545
ro.product.name > jfltevzw
ro.product.device > jfltevzw

I think this is fixable problem. Did you try to flash it with Heimdall?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Marvelicious75:
Samsung sold us a car with no keys.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Can somebody put a photo of retail bootloader up for comparison
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] suzook:
More like a car with no jack and spare....lol.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
dont forget no headphones lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
More like a car you can't take in to get serviced when it breaks down.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
I asked for 'developer tools' in my order form. What exactly should I call & ask for?

It wouldn't hurt to try.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Marvelicious75:
I stand by my analogy - they'll let us ride in the car, just not drive.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cveez11:
I'm not really sure. Thats why i said maybe a true developer might try calling. I agree, can't hurt to try.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
ask for proper odin or heimdall and the right tar files (stock files) for it and see what they say
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
like servicing a Bugatti in a third world country lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
I put odin files in my form!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
i did too odin and stock files
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
you can flash roms soon as a recovery is ported, the bootloader is unlocked. The problem is there is no stock firmware to flash back too...just as a fail safe in case something gets borked during the flashing process. It happens, not often but it does. Chances are you will have no issues, but if you do then your stuck.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Wonder how close twrp is til its ported?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
Got a hold of technical support for the Note 3 developer edition & was told all they had was the stock firmware but Verizon should have what I'm looking for...... :eek:

Since I'm unfamiliar on how this was done with previous 'developer edition' phones, what's so different about today? Was it possible to flash the dev phones with stock firmware?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Let me do some checking...ill report back.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Dont ever flash retail version on your dev edition unless its been checked/modded by a dev. It could lock your bootloader. As of right now it wouldn't flash anyways.

The tech is wrong, they provide the files not Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
sammy has the stock firmware we need to get the right person on the phone. not that verizon wouldn't have it too. they also give up kernel source codes not verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] billymaloney3:
wow now im having second thoughts about this dev edition..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Marvelicious75:
C'mon, it's day one. The sky isn't falling. Have just a little patience - I don't doubt they'll have it worked out by the time I UPS gets mine to me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
The fact you have to go through this makes no sense!! If you purchase a device for developing they should provide the necessary resources. This is f up on sammy part.

Sent from my SM-N900V using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
agreed. day one or not they should have the tools available from purchase
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] js0uth:
i just got off chat. and they pointed me to

voice support at 1-888-987-4357, Mon-Fri: 7 AM - 9 PM (CST), Sat: 9 AM - 6 PM (CST)

for the stock tar file.

if any dev or anyone else would like to give this a try. because i dont want to sound like a complete noob over the phone. because i am no dev. lol.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Marvelicious75:
Total agreement there. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say it is possible that it was an oversight of some kind, but really this is just a big middle finger in the face for all of us. I'm kinda glad I didn't go next-day at this point, cause I would be a lot more irritated right now. I've got no intention of using it without root and recovery.

Still, patience! We've got some good people on it!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Yup I'm still on HTC one until recovery
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
This is the number I called earlier, but I just called again and was able to reach Level 2 support.

Here's what I told the rep and possibly some of you could as well so that we'd have a better chance of receiving the tools in a timely manner:

The rep said because the device was just released not everything may be out there, but pointed me to http://developer.samsung.com to download the SDK. Anyway, I've just registered in the Dev forum over there and will ask.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
Just a FYI guys we can use safestrap and not trip Knox until we get this all figured out.. That's what I'm gonna do for a cpl days :)

Sent from my SCH-I545 running cm 10.2
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xXJay_RXx:
So then we should root our phones with Kingoroot? Kinda paranoid with all the talk about it.

Kinda frustrated that Samsung is making it difficult for a dev edition. I bought the phone because it's supposed to be the easiest device to tinker with
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Hey guys I spoke with Imnuts, If we can get him a dump of the boot.img and recovery files, he will work on porting CWM recovery for the DE version.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Somebody hook this man up lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] imnuts:
IF you get a restore package, it'll likely be in a self-contained Odin package (exe that flashes a packaged restore file) or you'll be pointed to Kies to restore the phone. Samsung does not hand out Odin images AFAIK, and in the past, they didn't like they being released. It's possible that could have changed, but I doubt it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
I thought developer devices aren't compatible with kies??
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] harosxcomp170:
Wow thats a pain! I hope they will give it out! I'm still waiting for them to stock back up to get one of these, but with the wait and now this I might just buy a new t-mobile with a bad imei on ebay, then just unlock it and sign up with at&t.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
source your sources and get us one :P have u or sbrissen decided on note 3 yet?

ps- kies says not supported with our phone
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Surge1223:
If you're still getting the unsupported dev_type error, here is some more info I don't know how useful it might be for your troubleshooting though. I had to edit out some info from this file, but you can see that it generally hints towards the img.ext4 and/or the pit file being invalid.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jackdubl:
Has anyone checked to see if this stuff is available for the S4 DE? If it is, I assume it is just a short matter of time for this device.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MotorcycleMike:
Other than not having the files needed to flash back to or back up the stock Rom, is the DE unlocked and capable of installing custom recovery and flashing custom Roms?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] njfoses:
Calling Samsung is a complete waste of your time. You are not going to speak with anybody that knows anything more than how to power the phone on and off if your lucky.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Yes for both questions
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Tidefan13:
Its been 2days since out of stock and 14 or more is gonna be 4ever, I flashed GP edition on my DNA hopefully that'll hold me over. :)

Roll Tide!!!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alexp1289:
As long as we have a custom recovery I'm not too worried because doing a battery pull and booting into recovery has never failed me before. But don't get me wrong I understand the need for the files just in case but I'm willing to risk it because I'm not going to get my hopes up that we'll get the stock files.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] untouchablez:
Yeah I feel the same way, last time I used Odin was to unlock the bootloader on the N2. But for our great developer community I understand the importance of a stock tar for them.

Hopefully Samsung comes through or somebody "hooks" us up
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
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