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[Nexus 5 General] Zorachus:
It's actually closer to 1/3rd larger battery on the G2 over the Nexus 5.

2300 + 30.5% = 3001

That's a massive difference in battery life, we could be talking 2 hours difference On Screen time, and maybe 4 to 5 hours overall more battery life usage difference. To me that's a deal breaker.
[Nexus 5 General] mevensen:
Agreed, this difference is pretty big. I don't quite know if it will be a deal-dreaker for me, but seeing as I am on Sprint, I also want to see what the full story on the radios is. Also, there are some theories that CDMA/multband LTE may consume a bit more battery, if this is so, then every bit of battery capacity will be important.
[Nexus 5 General] Zorachus:
My point is, why is the Nexus 5, bucking the trend on battery compared to all the other new Android phones released this Fall ? 3,000mAh is standard on every new Android phone now. There are four things in common with all the new generation of Android phones now;

- LG G2 = Snapdragon 800 + 3,000mAh battery + 1080p screen + at least 2GB RAM

- Note 3 = Snapdragon 800 + 3,200mAh battery + 1080p screen + at least 2GB RAM

- Sony Z1 Honami = Snapdragon 800 + 3,000mAh battery + 1080p screen + at least 2GB RAM

- Nexus 5 = Snapdragon 800 + 2,300mAh battery + 1080p screen + at least 2GB RAM

The Nexus 5 has all of those high end specs above, EXCEPT the 3,000mAh battery. Why Google, why ? A smaller capacity battery is known to not save a ton of money on the overall build cost of a smartphone, it's just a small % of the overall pricing. Plus the N5 is based off the G2, and the G2 has a 3,000mAh battery stock by default, so why even change from that ? I could understand if the G2 was 2,300mAh battery too, then asking for a 3,000 would be crazy, but it's not.
[Nexus 5 General] wideasleep1:
Tellya what... Let's pretend it has a 3300 mah cell so we can stem the whining about it and move on to more interesting features?
[Nexus 5 General] Lancez:
I don't really care about the battery as long as it can last me 12 hours. And I just screwed up imei file on my galaxy nexus, now I'm stuck with previous nandroid backup running 4.2.2 if I flash new ROM it won't get any signals. Just bring it to play store Google!

Oh, I skipped N4 for this baby :)
[Nexus 5 General] matthew0776:
I've read the 32gb will get a 3000 not the 2300. Only the 16 will carry the 2300 ...

http://www.lifengadget.com/lifengadget/nexus-5-expected-features/
[Nexus 5 General] hello00:
those are rumors..hope it is true
[Nexus 5 General] Nathan-NL:
Smaller screen.

And maybe 4.4 KitKat is really optimized.
[Nexus 5 General] Cronis:
You will also notice that of all the phones a trend emerges with the size of the phones body being pretty directly correlated to the size of its battery. The N5 is actually the smallest overall by a good bit. Even the Z1 which has the same size screen is a much larger phone.

Is it possible the folks at Google think 5" phones are pushing it and they are trying to keep their products dimensions within a certain "comfort zone"? just an idea but its somewhat based on the N5 being smaller overall then the N4 and the Moto X (supposedly the "Google" mainstream phone) being fairly compact, following an overall design language thats not far off from nexus devices.
[Nexus 5 General] akak1997:
I's bumped big time when I heard N5 only has a Non Removable 2300mAh battery. There's nothing I can do to make it work for me. 2300mAh is not gonna be enough for me, I'm in and out of crap network coverage area, my GS2 is constantly drained because it can't find a signal. :crying:

I really want an android phone that can last throughout the day w/o needing to charge.
[Nexus 5 General] aohus:
this is the worst rumor ever. it's just not gonna happen.

there have been tons of leaks stating that there will only be one battery capacity type, which is the 2300 mAh. FCC documents even show this. Never did it show 3000 mAh in all of those documents. This is just one stupid lie/rumor that is completely off the mark.
[Nexus 5 General] h4wk3y3:
Since my last post got deleted, I try again.

Although I am all for a bigger battery that lasts at least two days, I don't think it makes a difference if a battery lasts 20 or 28 hours, since you would have to charge it once a day anyway. However, it is time that they use the size the big screen phones offer to make batteries last at least two days. Even if that would mean, that the phones are 2mm thicker.
[Nexus 5 General] vittogn:
1 day of heavy usage = 2 days of light usage is enough!
[Nexus 5 General] parmend:
If 2300 can get 4 hours screen on time that's plenty for me
[Nexus 5 General] topgeardave:
For me I will just underclock it to 1.5ghz to get it to nexus 4 speeds, and mess around with mpdecision/hotplugging till I find a balance between performance and battery life. As a last resort I'll carry on using my anker 13000mah external power pack because I need a phone that will last 16 hours a day with 4 hours onscreen due to constantly being on the phone.
[Nexus 5 General] gentleman559:
I am really debating getting a G2. The only reason I don't have one now is the lack of development at the moment and no confirmation on wether the N5 will come with different battery sizes. If the Nexus 5 has a 2300mah Im going to pass it up and roll with the G2.
[Nexus 5 General] trsix:
in

I'm in regardless of battery size. Take my money please!
[Nexus 5 General] kcharng:
It does for me. I could have been happy on Galaxy Nexus but the sub 2 hours screen on time in unbearable for a phone.

4.4 might be good for 2300mah battery but it will be GREAT for 3000mah battery on phones with similar hardware.

Reason why I got g2. (but nexus Dev support is legendary, another reason why I lurk here.)

-LG G2
[Nexus 5 General] lawalty:
I'm totally debating on returning my just purchased Note 3 for the Nexus 5. Only because of carrier restrictions. However, my Note 3 with a 3200mh batter is a beast. I understand KitKat is optimized for good battery life, however 2300mh?
[Nexus 5 General] filthygoat223996:
It all depends on individual usage, but for most people one day with 4 hours ~ sot is good enough. You can even get that with a 2100mah battery, so 2300 should suffice
[Nexus 5 General] angel.mariano:
i think the nexus 5 is going to do great with a 2300 battery ( the more the better of course ) but if 4.4 is a battery saver , then i dont think 2300 will be a big deal.. you should wait a few days after is released , so you can see the reviews about the battery .. :)
[Nexus 5 General] JCreazy:
What is important to me is how fast can it charge. I want 2.1 amp charging.
[Nexus 5 General] maxell505:
It definitely won't stop me from buying it but it does concern me a little on how I will get through the entire day with it. I am a pretty heavy phone user, and not having my phone with me periodically checking the time and my notifications like texts and emails and playing games and browsing though social media from time to time throughout the day is hard to think of. I really hope the Nexus 5 can handle all of that with full screen brightness and GPS, WiFi, and 4G toggled on all the time.
[Nexus 5 General] Chad_Petree:
I can't believe , a nexus 5 it's on someone's Hands and they still can't confirm if the battery it's indeed 2300 mah, if they have a 32 gb model or if the camara it's 8 mp with OIS :rolleyes::mad:
[Nexus 5 General] Hellscythe:
well, my xperia z with 2300mah battery kinda sucks.

about 3 hours screen on time mostly 3g and web browsing

i dont know how much better the new os or how much more power efficient the snapdragon 800 is.
[Nexus 5 General] hello00:
i get 5hrs on my htc one and it has the same battery
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
I dont believe you.

Your either on 2G or very low brightness with everything else turned off.

My note 2 gets a maximum of 5 hours screen time with 3100mah with BT and Wifi turned on.
[Nexus 5 General] hello00:
we could easily get up to 4-5hrs on our htc1s go over their forum and u will see
[Nexus 5 General] hamad138:
if nexus 5 really have 3000 mah i will probably switchfrom nexus 4 which has horrible battery 3,5 Hours Screen time...
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
Yeh my friend owned this phone and he never got 5 hour screen time. Total BS.

People manipulate usage to get 5 hours screen time. Such as 10% brightness and all the radios turned off.

I have also noticed billy no mates also spends no time on the phone when posting the long screen time battery shots.

The HTC One and Nexus 4 are relegated to the arse end of the battery life league tables. The only batteries that last long are 3000+ mah ones.
[Nexus 5 General] hello00:
i go to school at 7am and my last class ends at 2pm..by the time i get home i have 30-40% left and i do a lot of texting..instagram..fb and sometimes some browsing so if you never owned an htc one before i suggest u do some research about the phone before u start talking nonsense
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
Its physics.

2300mah has way less capacity than 3000mah. Same S600 as other phones and LCD screen which is linked directly to brightness level.

Not to mention the slow charge time since quick charge is disabled. Then there is spotty 3G signal and if you have 2 or 3 bars of signal the phone boosts is power to the antenna and drains battery way faster than normal. Then add in Wifi, BT and GPS all turned on all day because turning these things on and off is a hassle.

You will be looking at 4-5 hours total usage no matter what your doing. Screen on or on the phone your looking at no more than 5 hours of mixed usage. No different than the Nexus 4 or Sony Z or Samsung S4. All poor battery life phones.
[Nexus 5 General] jakestash:
But where is the physics?
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
2300mah stores a lot less energy than 3000+ mah batteries.
[Nexus 5 General] red12355:
Physics recap: power = current * voltage.

So a battery with a high nominal voltage could very well hold more power (per unit of time, i.e. watt-hours) than a battery with a lower nominal voltage and a higher mAh (i.e. miliamp-hour) rating.

I'm not saying that the Nexus 5 battery will be higher voltage, but saying one battery has less capacity than another because "it's physics" doesn't make any sense when you only compare the mAh rating. It's like deciding that one rectangle takes up less area than another rectangle just by looking at their lengths.
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
Except the voltages of phones are not vastly different which means that generally higher mAh will mean longer battery life.
[Nexus 5 General] red12355:
Sure. But we don't know what voltage the Nexus 5 battery is. You're making it sound like the capacity difference between 2300mAh and 3000mAh is huge when the difference could be much smaller due to a voltage difference.
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
Seriously where do you get these assumptions.

S800 chipset wont be different between the 2300 and 3000mAh versions. The voltage wont be different. 32GB of nand doesnt use different voltage than 16GB either.
[Nexus 5 General] red12355:
Uh, I'm talking about the voltage of the battery. You realize that power is measure in watts (i.e. battery voltage * battery current), right? mAh (miliamp-hour) is just the current-hour of the battery. To get the watt-hour (i.e. capacity) of a battery, you also need to know the voltage of the battery.

This is completely independent of whatever voltage the processor or the memory is running at.

C'mon, "It's physics".
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
The voltage wont be different.
[Nexus 5 General] red12355:
You must work for Google then.
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
Its common sense.

The chipset is identical and so is everything else other than the NAND.

Higher voltages are associated with higher energy use and there is nothing in the 32GB model that suggests anything is different
[Nexus 5 General] red12355:
Once again, I'm talking about the battery voltage. Not CPU voltage, not NAND voltage, not chipset voltage. Battery voltage. And the batteries are clearly different if the mAh ratings are different.
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
Battery voltage has to be linked to to the voltage of the handset. This is why they wont be different.

Galaxy S3 and Note 2 both have 3.7V even though the capacity is different.
[Nexus 5 General] Manbot27:
Yes it will. As much as I love my Nexus 4 the people who say they get great battery life are delusional or they're seriously gimping their phones (2g, extremely low screen brightness, big underclocks) or simply not putting it through much use.

The only time battery life is great is if you're on wifi all day long. If you do any type of traveling, have Google now, decent screen brightness and are actually using the phone the battery life isn't that great. I didn't expect the Nexus 5 to have a 3000 mah battery but at the very least 2500-2600.

One of my only problems with the Nexus 4 is its battery life. Without that changing why would I have any incentive to upgrade? I dream of a day that I could have all the great custom kernel tweaks, small underclock, etc on a great battery.
[Nexus 5 General] red12355:
That's not true. For example, the standard Motorola Droid Bionic battery has a nominal voltage of 3.8v while the (official) extended battery is 3.7v. Same phone, different battery voltages.
[Nexus 5 General] jakestash:
But 3000 is higher than 2300 because of physics!
[Nexus 5 General] eksasol:
Ampere hour doesn't tell you the battery capacity, multiply it by the voltage to get Watt hours which is the capacity.

I disagree, I don't underclock and even overclocked my GPU to 487 or 533Mhz, using older baseband with LTE even, I can get 3.5 to 4hrs screen time. With that said I'm using custom rom and kernel, so not sure if that help, and I use Greenify to prevent Google services from eating up my battery, but I would do that will all phones. It's true the Nexus 4 doesn't have great battery life though, but not that bad for me.
[Nexus 5 General] plznote:
Snapdragon 800 is a lot more efficient and supposedly KitKat is as well. We should see a decent bump. Look at the G2 battery with 700 mah more. Top of the class by far.
[Nexus 5 General] Manbot27:
This is exactly what I meant when I said gimping. If you're Greenifying Google services I'm pretty sure that means that Google now is not running. I want to be able to use the features of my phone without having to turn everything off. And I'm sure outside of gaming overclocking the gpu isn't going to cause too much drain.

I'm running PA and Franco kernel Greenifying the usual problem children, Facebook, whatsapp, etc. Custom kernel and rom is not an excuse for bad battery life. Does it make it better? Absolutely, but it's not a solution and you can only go so far with tweaks. Imagine your current setup with an extra 400-500 mah I don't know how you see a downside to that.

<Edit> I don't disagree that it's not terrible, but it could be better. Optimizations can only take you so far and I just wish I had just that extra little bit of juice so that I wouldn't have to be nitpicky about all my settings.
[Nexus 5 General] jamel_tza:
I'm not too concerned with battery life. The HTC One gets decent battery life with a battery the same size. I'm not a heavy user so my result may be different from the norm but I usually get at least 4hrs screen time so long as I'm not stuck in a service-less pit. I look forward to more decent battery life in 4.4

I would love to have a bigger battery, but as it stands I typically make it through the day without having to carry a charger.
[Nexus 5 General] kcharng:
Not worrying about whether your phone will run out of juice is great.

Usually when you really needed your phone the most is not part of a /typical use/ day. When you go out at night with friends. Constant chatting, checking maps, arrange a meeting point, social network, taking photos, showing photos. All the activities that drain the battery quickly.

Carrying a charger or battery pack is often not an option since guys don't carry hand bags when go out at night.

Choose a phone with battery to spare rather than just enough at the end of the day really helps me enjoy my phone.

Almost 5 hours on battery, with over hour and a half screen on time and still 80% left. Is beyond my expectation coming from Galaxy Nexus.
[Nexus 5 General] jordant2:
Thinking about it but I've been charging my g2 every other night now! And I can use it without even showing the battery percentage because it's a non issue. I could get even more if i turned some things off. Don't have to ever turn off sync either. And i still have 22% left. Love it!
[Nexus 5 General] zukri90:
Nope. The battery usage on vanilla android is very little.
[Nexus 5 General] Ianxcom:
The snapdragon 800 processor will be very battery friendly. It might be clocked higher but the core is much more efficient.
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
More BS.

I owned the nexus 4 and it was horrible. You had to turn off all the services to get half decent battery life. Come 6pm id be tethered to the wall.

The only thing that will fix battery life is a bigger battery and apps that dont run in the background when you dont want them too.

The 3200mAh battery in my Note 2 made life easy and when it runs out and swap it out. Bliss.
[Nexus 5 General] kamranhaghighi:
it wouldn't be problem for me and i will never bee outside more than 4 hours!!!! and totally 5hours each day outside:D if happens anyway if ur a heavy user outside why don't u just buy a portable external battery?!!!!! it can double or triple your battery life!!!! anyway i don't see any other good phone for me whit good battery life:PP

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well i can carry a charger easily in my pocket!!! even 1 huge old battery-pack i got as gift from 5 years ago its 350Mah i guess!!! lol and 300ma

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sorry for many posts but anyway my nexus 4 never had battery problem!!!! its PA latest i was always battery low on my old s4!!!! sold it to my brother now bought n4 can go up to 3 days without charge!!! and many hours of gaming almost a day!!! never had battery problem!!!

but n5 display is bigger so it will use more battery:o
[Nexus 5 General] irzero:
Charging battery while out is a pain. The best method of a fix is a removable battery or a battery that lasts 1.5 days with heavy use like the Note 2.
[Nexus 5 General] xcalout:
Has anyone looked at the leaked N5 service manual? Talk times and standby time provided there are actually worse than on N4 :/
[Nexus 5 General] lightson:
should be fine for me... I'm already used to the Galaxy Nexus' "horrible" battery life... Besides, I always bring a small external battery pack with me :)
[Nexus 5 General] kamranhaghighi:
i think u got me wrong i mean something like this http://www.amazon.com/Astro3-12000m...ficiency/dp/B00CEZBKTO/ref=zg_bs_7073960011_6

if removable back is true u can buy 300mah battery:PP aftermarket i mean:P anyway it wouldn't be available in iran jsut wait for battery testes:P

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i mean this http://www.amazon.com/Astro3-12000m...ficiency/dp/B00CEZBKTO/ref=zg_bs_7073960011_6
[Nexus 5 General] vittogn:
Even better is to have a G2 like all day heavy usage battery life!!
[Nexus 5 General] xda23:
Will it have a removable battery? Thanks
[Nexus 5 General] hello00:
no
[Nexus 5 General] Jimlarck:
Besides, processors are usually adapting themselves to the usage, for example, when the phone's screen is off some of the cores shut themselves off and others undervolt themselves. So I'm not too worried about battery life, I'm still using my galaxy nexus and the battery lasts 9 hours with 2 on screen time. And for a 1750mAh battery that's pretty good. Now just imagine what 2300mAh will bring. Sure it's no 3000 but still Vanilla is lighter and it's still enough to make it till' the end of the day.
[Nexus 5 General] yulet:
Nexus 5's screen will be bigger and it has more pixels to light up. + Snapdragon 800 will eat that battery no matter what. I have a Note 3 (S800 version) right now, and with 3200mAh battery, it's still not lasting enough -for me. If you're happy with 9 hours on battery with 2 hours on screen time, then you don't need to worry at all but many people want more than that, including me. If Nexus 5 has 2300mAh battery I'll stay with the Note 3, if it has 3000mAh then I'm buying it.

Sent from my SM-N900W8
[Nexus 5 General] trsix:
umm no thanks

I remember visiting the optimus g forum. They were quite bitter about getting updates wayyyy

after other phones. Like getting jelly bean wayyyyy late. Umm, no thank you.
[Nexus 5 General] ericdabbs:
You are basing this on past history. LG could be turning the tide with the G2 especially since all 4 major carriers are carrying it. Also there are rumors that the LG Optimus G Pro will be getting Android 4.4 shortly after release.

I expect to see a Android 4.4 update for the G2 around Feb/Mar. In the mean time, CM 10.3 (Android 4.4) ROMs will hold folks on the G2 with Android 4.4 features until the stock release gets updated. CM based ROMS work just as well as stock Android and in some cases better than stock Android because of some added features.
[Nexus 5 General] peteus:
If they integrated bit larger battery, camera lens would not be sticking out.
[Nexus 5 General] Hellscythe:
thats insane! 6 hours screen on with 22 percent left

and you said you havent turned anything off?

i might pick one up ;)

EDIT: wait, did the 6 hours carry over from the last charge? because the screen timer doesnt reset until you charge it to 100, and your screenshot shows you only charged to 30? just confused lol
[Nexus 5 General] jordant2:
I hadn't charged in 30+ hours and that's the total screen on time during that thirty hours. I ended up going two full days off the charger with 8 hours of total screen time.
[Nexus 5 General] Hellscythe:
nice :D

but im just curious why the graph starts at 30 percent and not 100?
[Nexus 5 General] jordant2:
Because it had been so many hours. The full discharge doesn't show on one screen. You would have to scroll back, it only shows six hours at a time. If the Nexus 5 does have the same battery then I'll probably get it.
[Nexus 5 General] ricecake2000:
My DNA has a 2020mah battery and a 1080p screen and I am at about 12/13 hours running mostly WiFi.
[Nexus 5 General] Kawaisa:
Believe it or not, there's no chance it's gonna happen
[Nexus 5 General] shure2:
I'm pretty sure the extra cost per unit to put in a 3000mAh battery vs a 2300mAh battery would be no more than $5. If Google / LG ship it with a 2300mAh battery for that reason it will be a crime.
[Nexus 5 General] vittogn:
Can't agree more!

I want a G2 like battery life on a Nexus.

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I love and use CM.

It is not going to take less than 6 months to have a stable release, provided that LG will release source code of the G2.

At the moment the G2 Original Android development forum is desert like!
[Nexus 5 General] SHAWDAH:
The best solution would be to get an external battery.
[Nexus 5 General] Hellscythe:
ohhh i didnt know that lol. i always thought it stayed on one screen
[Nexus 5 General] h4wk3y3:
That cannot always be the best solution. When you have a bagpack it might be no problem to carry around an external battery, but I definitely do not want to put another bulky device in my pockets.
[Nexus 5 General] SHAWDAH:
What other option do we have with a non removable battery?
[Nexus 5 General] h4wk3y3:
There are not many options, you are right. For my Galaxy S2 I was able to buy a bigger battery. With the Nexus 5 there is the problem of opening the phone and fitting a bigger battery in it. So after all, an external battery will be the best option. I was criticising the choice of many manufacturers to use rather small batteries.
[Nexus 5 General] htowngator:
definitely not

I think they can easily optimize it to last through a day's work without question. Especially if it has wireless charging that'd be awesome for me at work -- just drop it on the charging plate on my desk and not worry about it.