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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
yeah the s5 will be out in early 2014. but not near the size of the note 3. i may sell my htc one to get the htc one max hopefully it is a beast too lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alexp1289:
I just want to know how much longer I have to wait :( I want this phone so bad!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
Wait, you got AT&T? Why? They don't even offer unlimited 4G data.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MissionImprobable:
I'd prefer the S5 size the the purported upcoming addition of a stylus, but honestly if I have to hold out too much longer for this Dev addition I may just wait and see what the specs are looking like for the HTC One M8. A few upgrades and it would be the perfect device.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Tidefan13:
Yeah but how long will it be for VZW gets it?

Roll Tide!!!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
I like a 5" phone too but i love the bigger ones like note 3 and htc one max! and yes the Htc one M8 looks promising too!

But yes will when m8 come out or even htc one max for that matter! :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] harosxcomp170:
Yea but Verizon took my unlimited data away from me! So F Verizon! My bill was pretty expensive too. I really don't use that much data anyways. I had 2GB a month from Verizon and they were charging me up the ass! Now with AT&T I'm not on a contract and I get 2GB a month with unlimited national calls and text for $50 a month! Sounds good to me! Where I live too I'm getting way better service then I did with Verizon. I just hope I still get 4G up at my cottage in New Hampshire!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
Damn, that sucks. How'd that happen? I still have an AT&T account in case Verizon pulls a fast one on me. I'm assumimg you upgraded which resulted in the loss?

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
Verizon took your unlimited data away from you? How did that happen?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
My guess is deception but hey, they will take it away from all of us eventually. Not trying to predict the future but VZ is trending that way and the fine print in the contract I signed back in November 2009 gives an out, they just have to conjure up a good reason.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmorton10:
Unfortunately, I'm sure that's true :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
I sure wish harosxcomp wasn't so vague, but I'd rather they go the throttling route like AT&T.

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SeanPlunk:
The longer it takes for them to restock, the less desire I have to buy one. My Note 2 is such a capable device. Ugh Samsung, why do you have to make things difficult?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mjlewis0102:
I gave in and bought the regular Verizon Note 3. Got tired of waiting, but wanted a Note nonetheless. I now feel the joy and pain of waiting on the postman like the lucky ones!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Tidefan13:
If I miss out again I might do the same or wait to see what google has instore for vzw users

Roll Tide!!!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] iruC:
Now, if you upgrade your line, they will take away unlimited. I ran into this issue when I went to buy the Note 3 the moment it came out. They also changed their rule on the "alternate path" of upgrading for those with multiple lines. Two years ago, I could upgrade the other line, but use the device on my line immediately. Now, the device has to be associated with the line you upgrade for at least 24 hours before you can swap the devices. They also tried to convince me to switch to their EDGE plan last month. To give me "incentive" to use EDGE they said they would take away unlimited, but, they would give me 6GB of data when you normally would get 2GB. So, I told him, "let me get this straight, with this pricing, at an *extra* 30 a month on top of my normal plan's cost, I lose my unlimited, so, if I do *not* trade in for a new phone after a year, I have essentially paid the full phone price at the expense of my unlimited data plan? So, I could just buy the phone at full price, right now, and not lose unlimited." And, since, I would more likely than not be buying the phone at full price, I was waiting for the DE version. I was on the page trying to hit the shop button the day before they fixed the page, but, I missed that window of time it was sold. :-/ if you are wondering why I didn't upgrade my other line and switch after a day: I let my parents use that line and they are thousands of miles away and I would not want them to lose my means of contacting them for a day. :silly:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
Thanks, yeah I've heard of folks losing unlimited that way. Part of the reason I'm with Verizon is because they don't throttle their unlimited data after a certain amount of usage, unlike AT&T. I still have a personal AT&T unlimited line while Verizon (which is cheaper for me) is on my business line, yet I'm paranoid Verizon could drop unlimited anytime after I close my AT&T account.

If today Verizon changed their stance on unlimited 4G LTE data or started throttling, they WILL lose me as a customer since I'm on a month-to-month payment plan & I'd end up selling my DE Note 3. I'd much rather stick with the AT&T grandfathered plan (mainly because of their sweet rollover minutes deal). That reason right there is why I'm still hesitant on dropping AT&T. There's no way in hell I'd ever jump ship to T-Mobile regardless of how much they tell me data is truly unlimited.

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
They dont throttle per usage, but they do throttle depending on traffic. Evidently LTE does not have enough bandwidth to cover thier customers. My data fluxuates between 4-20MB/s depending on the time of day even with the same signal strength.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Yakuzahi:
Verizon start to have this problem in a big cities with LTE:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/13/verizon-capacity-issues-lte-major-cities/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] tgyberg:
I bought a Nexus 7 instead. That with the Note2 more than scratches the itch!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Marvelicious75:
...or don't sell the DE, Just pop an AT&T SIM in there, enter the proper network info, and go. Played around with it this afternoon with my friends AT&T SIM from her Note 3. Had internet and made a phone call... didn't check speeds, or even whether I was on 4g or 3g or what, but for any of you that are sick of big red, it might be worth a look.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
If I ever had to go that route, it'd make more sense to sell & pickup a T-Mobile Note 3, which has been confirmed to work 100% on AT&T's LTE network, has an unlocked bootloader, and has a solid dev base here on XDA.

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmorton10:
You can still do that.

I bought my Note 3 the day they where released and that is exactly how I did it.

I Bought my N3 as an upgrade to my 13 year old Daughters line, & I had it working on my unlimited line before I left the VZ store that day.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Marvelicious75:
Just saying, you've already got the phone... to my mind it would seem easier to confirm that it works than to sell it and buy another one. As for the dev base, what's the difference? As near as I can tell, just about everything that runs on a T-Mobile runs on ours as well.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
Did your phone number change to hers while you had her sim?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Marvelicious75:
I didn't check, but I would think so. If they were both GSM phones, the phone number and all is attached to the SIM card - I assume it is the same. The Verizon version is supposedly "Global Ready". It seems to mean that it natively supports the extra bands.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Yakuzahi:
Bluetooth Map

I would like to know if the Note 3 Developer Edition comes with more Bluetooth radio like the GS4 Developer Edition?

On Samsung website there is much more specs info about the GS4 Bluetooth:

Bluetooth® Profiles: A2DP, AVRCP, GAVDP, GOEP, HFP, HID, HSP, MAP, OBEX, OPP, PAN, PBAP, SPP; NFC; Wi-Fi®; Wi-Fi Hotspot; MHL support

And this is for the Note 3: Bluetooth® 4.0 (Low Energy)

I want to know if the Note 3 come with Bluetooth Map?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Marvelicious75:
Google says yes...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] nightrapt0r:
Call me stupid but I'd like to know, what stops me from using a T-Mobile Note 3 on Verizon? Does it not have the CDMA radios or does Verizon just block it?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
They use different radios. Tmobile is gsm verizon is cdma

Sent from my Verizon Galaxy Note 3 Developer Edition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
I'd hate to spread misinformation, but isn't Verizon Note 3 both CDMA & GSM?

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
Yep.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] nightrapt0r:
Doesn't Verizon's Note 3 have GSM radios to make it "Global Ready"? I guess I was wondering if the GSM and CDMA radios were on the same chip so Samsung has the same internal hardware for all US carriers but the carriers activate (using the SIM card) the bands they use.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
I have heard several people claim to put an AT&T sim in VZ n3 and make calls & have Internet & 4G. The thing no one reported was if their phone number changed to the AT&T number. I also heard gsm=4G and sim is gsm only and that CDMA doesn't use the sim.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] shiftr182:
Cdma doesn't use sim, that's why you have to verify the esn on Verizon phones. Gsm phones can't be locked by the carrier because they use the sim. Verizon uses sim for lte.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
I forgot about that! Ooops

Sent from my Verizon Galaxy Note 3 Developer Edition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
It's in the hardware. For example: you can't pop an AT&T SIM into a European Note 3 (SM-N9005) & expect it to pickup AT&T 4G LTE. You'll get service though, but certain models access a particular set of LTE frequencies. Thankfully we can see that in the T-Mobile Note 3 which also has the ability to pickup AT&T's LTE bands.

Are you able to pop out the SIM in your Developer Edition? I couldn't for the life of me get it out last night, and neither could a local Verizon rep upon activation. I would've been able to try had I been successful.

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Use the sim tool included with your device. Or use tape.

Sent from my Verizon Galaxy Note 3 Developer Edition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alexp1289:
Correct, tmobile operates on a different frequency (can't remember the name) also they don't use SIM cards (to my knowledge). And Verizon is CDMA and uses SIM cards, hence why the 2 are incompatible.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Yakuzahi:
T-Mobile uses SIM cards like AT&T, both are GSM networks.

Verizon uses SIM cards just for the LTE radio. Verizon's network runs on a CDMA network just like Sprint, and doesn't it require a SIM card to operate.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alexp1289:
Hmm I never had tmobile didn't think they used SIM cards... Lol.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechSavvy2:
To clarify for you....cdma does not use sim cards....but LTE and GSM both do. Hence why TMo and ATT have always had sim cards. And Verizon and Sprint used to not have them (when they were still cdma only), until LTE was adopted and then you saw phones change to utilize them :)

---------- Post added at 11:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:31 PM ----------

Lets use iPhone 5 for example here as I know I've personally confirmed it already....

I'm gonna make a guess as to this being why Verizon "Global Ready" models of phones usually work on other carriers, but other carriers usually don't work on Verizon (why one way but not the other?). Its because Verizon blocks other devices from being activated on their network, but makes sure their devices can be activated on other networks ( o.O).. (you can use Verizon iPhone 5 on any carrier, but cannot use other carriers iPhone 5 on Verizon).

Probably to avoid people being able to take Global Ready devices (support for both cdma AND gsm) from, say, TMo, unlocking its bootloader natively and flashing roms like crazy, then using it on Verizons network. This would defeat the whole point of verizon not wanting unlocked bootloaders on its network for "security and stability" purposes. But would be brilliant workaround if utilized. (Nexus 5 anyone?)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
Hey everyone so i bricked mt my dev edition! Woohoo! Its stuck in a bootloop no matter what i flash in recovery! Soo until Samsung decides to provide the stock odin files im screwed!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xXJay_RXx:
How did you do that

Sent from my Dev Edition Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
Yes, would be helpful to know what you did so we DON'T brick ours by accident! :D

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alexp1289:
Yeah that's what I want to know how did you do that?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
try flashing the pit file in odin. then boot into recovery, wipe data, and flash beans rom.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
If the boot loop started after a twrp restore then there might be a fix for you.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keynith:
What pit file? I thought the dev edition didn't have those.

And i got my boot loop from using terminal emulator and running "reboot nvbackup" don't do it!

[MENTION=4065904]droidstyle[/MENTION]

tried flashing the pit file in odin and it doesnt work

Update : called Samsung and i already sent it in. Let this be a warning to all! Do not run the command "reboot nvbackup"
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
i agree man. i bought off contract to keep unlimited too and if im buying off contract i want an unlocked $750 phone i can hack and mod. So my decision has been made to return. you taking yours back 23 or 24th too?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
22nd

I have a trip coming up on the 23rd . plus i really dont wanna push the envelop with best buy, an extra day or two are not going to change my mind about the phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
me and a friend of mine are returning tomorrow
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gcarterny:
Make sure you guys double check your purchase dates that's the one they go by for online purchases and I would be on the safe side and go a day earlier. Mine already went back not taking any chances!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
i preordered mine back on 9/9 and received 10/10 and i stopped in store at verizon last week and they said i could return in store even if i bought online. where did you buy and return to? you also getting developer one?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] nutpn:
just boxed mine up and its going back, did you get a label from verizon or just pay for your label

samsung has whole webpage up now

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N900VMKEVZW
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
i was going to take mine back into the store and avoid shipping the store said they will take it back as long as its in box and everything. try that before you ship man. and page has been up since right after i posted this and tipped off droid life :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] nutpn:
Im a disabled so cant do that but will get me a label coming, hopefully soon maybe by november
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
oh ok sorry man and just ship it back soon enough so it gets back before 14 days is up
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] nutpn:
10-4

I just called cust service and hes gonna send me a label overnight and he entered in system that i was well within my window, i appreciate your help
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] tgyberg:
Wish there was at least a pre order option!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] nutpn:
Will Verizon also have it on their site or just sammy
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
awesome cool good to know if the store wont take mine back tomorrow afternoon. hope they do though that would be the easiest thing to do
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gcarterny:
I got mine online it was preordered on 9/6 but my order was 10/7 even though I got it on the 10. I wasn't taking any chances so after a week I took it back and will now wait on the dev edition. If I gotta pay 750 for the phone I wanna do what I want with it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] nutpn:
thanks for your help Sir

I appreciate it....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] tgyberg:
I'm pretty sure just Sammy. When vzw hears anything developer related they cry like babies! :crying:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Exactly man i spent $750 i want it to be unlocked bootloader so i can have recovery and everything!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
that would be awesome!! i need to set up a thread where when it goes live we all post in there so we all have the chance to buy!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
So confused on what to do.... Just talked to my boy who is a corp manager for Verizon (same guy who originally promised me the note 3 would ship on 8th) stated that there will be a Dev Note 3 but he doesn't know when it will be released. He stated Verizon sets the date not Sammy and that he saw on XDA it was rumored to be the first week in November but he doesn't think so.. I asked him how does Verizon set the date and he stated Verizon has full power of what accounts/phones are allowed to be activated on their network.

If I drive to his store an hour away he will allow me to return the phone with no restocking fee and sale me another one right away to reset my return date... I'm just say screw it and keep this one or move to another brand.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
What will you move on to though? HTC and Motorola are locked. I hate iphones . I don't really see much choice
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Gwartan:
In case anyone is still interested, I just got off the phone with Samsung ordering support. The rep said the developer edition "should" be in stock in around 2 weeks. So the first week of December. Cross your fingers!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
What about the stock odin files?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Gwartan:
To be honest, I didn't even think to ask. I doubt the sales support person would have even known anything about those.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
I posted this in the other thread:

Guys,

Where are stock ODIN files usually provided upon release by Samsung?

I'm going through emails with Samsung Development & I just want to make sure everything is clear and we get exactly what we want. I can't give any promises.

Thanks,

Nick
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Tidefan13:
2 weeks, OMG I hope that persons wrong

Roll Tide!!!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jackdubl:
Sorry to say, you got jobbed. That "alternate path" for upgrades still works just fine. I did it with the Note 3 and sold it already. Only had to be associated with the upgraded line about five minutes. That 24-hr deal only applies to iPhones. Sounds like you got bad help. Hope they didn't trick you out of our unlimited!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] iruC:
Odd. I've had multiple stores in the Los Angeles region tell me they cannot do the alternate path for me, anymore.

Edit: and, I did not change my plan or buy anything, so I still have my unlimited data :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] kimdoocheol:
What alternate path are we talking about here? There are a few. I've heard transferring the upgrade from the line with unlimited no longer works.

Quick question guys, why are we waiting for the development edition if safe strap is available?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gerg004:
I can't speak for RIGHT NOW, but I used this method with zero issues to pre order the Note 3 on a 3rd line transfer to my line and keep unlimited

Every single rep, in store or phone told me it wouldn't work, but what I did was:

Order N3 on alternate line, chose smallest tired data. Phone arrived, popped in the SIM it came with, signed into VzW website and waited to see the change, activated on 3rs line. Once it took, I removed the SIM and reactivated my "dumb" phone on the 3rd line. Again, chose the smallest data plan and waited for the website to reflect. Once it did, I put my main line SIM (unlimited data) into the N3. All told took about 5 min. Kept my unlimited data, called VzW had them remove the 75mb data plan from mt dumb line and all is well.

Don't have to wait 24 hours, don't have to pay a month of data. Pretty quick and painless honestly, and every single rep said it couldn't be done, even 3rd party stores who only care about phone sales. Again, this was September so I'm not sure what happens now. Just wanted to share.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Epic 4g:
I will answer the SS part of the question....

Samsung will not give us Android 4.4 KitKat until the Samsung Galaxy S5 comes. You are looking at maybe June of '14. Who knows when anyone will get Android 5.0 or whatever is in the future, but SS is relegated to TouchWiz ROM base for custom ROM's for the Verizon Retail Galaxy Note 3. :crying:

With the Developer Edition Galaxy Note 3 you can have AOSP ROM's & have the TouchWiz ROM's also. So say something killer comes out in Android 5.0, 4.4.x or whatever you have the luxury of doing WHATEVER you want with your phone because you have a choice of TWRP or CWM as recovery options. You can be on the latest & GREATEST from Google on the BEAST that is the Galaxy Note 3. Sure you will not have those TouchWiz features but you will always be current & have a choice of those GREAT AOSP custom ROM's (with their own features) & if you ever need those features you can always flash a TouchWiz ROM like Beans or Hyperdrive. :good:

With SS you don't have that luxury. :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MissionImprobable:
Noting that Sammy just pulled their 4.3 updates for both the S3 and S4, flashing is looking like the only way to stay on top of the game with their devices. Very surprising that they continue to remain an entire iteration behind on Android versions.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] iruC:
So, the key part of the "alternate upgrade path" was that you did not have to activate the phone on the line you are upgrading. They'd just, basically, redo the contract on that line, but, then immediately activate the phone on the line you actually wanted to use it. My problem is that the phone on the line I wanted to upgrade is the one I let my parents use thousands of miles away -- and it's the only means of contacting them.

Edit: (I've abused the alternate path a couple of times in the past. So, now, I'll have to go visit the folks and hijack their phone for a bit.)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gerg004:
You do have to activate it. By inserting the SIM included, that's what activates the phone. The key is, wait for your account to show online your 3rd line having the Note 3. Immediately remove the N3 and re activate whatever phone you had on that line, you can do this all from the website without calling or going to the store. Then, after those changes show up on the website, pop YOUR SIM from your current phone with unlimited into the N3. It will then activate to your line. Done and done.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] kimdoocheol:
Before you ordered the N3 on a separate line, you transferred the upgrade to that other line? I can't tell by your post, but that sounds like just upgrading on another line without unlimited, and transferring the phone to a different line once you get it. I've done that plenty of times before. What I am talking about is transferring the upgrade by using the tool online and upgrading on another line with the unlimited's upgrade and the transferring it back.

So with SS we aren't able to flash a lot of custom ROMS? I thought it was jsut a work around so we could flash whatever we want?

But yeah, I have the N2 right now with PAC on it. I'm sort of wondering if the N3 dev edition is even worth it since it can run any ROM I want right now with little to no issues...