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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gerg004:
That's exactly what I did, sorry forgot to specify. Moved my upgrade to a 3rd line, bought phone subsidized price, activated on 3rd line, removed it then activated it on my main line with unlimited data.

Can't flash custom kernels or radios in SS, but you can flash radios in Odin. You can flash any custom ROM in sas that doesn't change the kernel.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jackdubl:
I did exactly this from the Verizon store. Upgraded my mom's line, they activated new phone from store, then deactivated it and restored her phone. Took less than five minutes and she never even knew her service had been interrupted. After that, they said I could do what I wanted with the new phone, including throw my sim card in it. Like I said, my corporate store does this, no problem.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
Did you guys see this? Samsung needs to step up at least with the dev stock tar.

http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...y-warranties-on-developer-devices-reinstated/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
yeah maybe this will force samsung to give us the stock odin files
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Tidefan13:
If Samsung doesn't hurry up I might just get a nexus 7 and wait till next year and maybe the next nexus will be on vzw

Roll Tide!!!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
The nexus 7 was ok but wasn't worth it to me

Sent from my N900V Dev Edition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BootlegZani:
All I know is I got a Developer Edition Moto X until I can order a Developer Edition Note 3. The Galaxy Nexus had to be retired. I couldn't do it anymore.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
this is so crazy.... They released 20 to 30 dev phones and stopped.....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SeanPlunk:
Yeah, I'm kind of over it. I think I'm going to continue rocking my Note II and pick up a Note 4 or some other developer device next year.

I'm sure Samsung doesn't care, but they definitely lost a sale they could have had otherwise this year.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] kimdoocheol:
I'm in the same boat. Other than the gear, there seems to be no reason to actually update. TW looks so outdated when it comes ot the notification shade and stuff too, idk, not worth it. I'll just upgrade to KK when it comes out and enjoy that. Most TW features I feel like I don't utilize, and it isn't like many apps can actually utilize the N2 to it's full potential.

The dev edition was appealing, but it seems like there is going to be a lack of dev for it since for the majority of people they will have locked bootloaders.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MissionImprobable:
Every additional day that this takes just makes me more and more likely to hold out for the HTC M8. They've been able to get AOSP Roms up and running on the One, so no reason it should be an issue for the successor. I really have no desire for such a large screen, it was just something I was accepting to get some of the other offerings from the N3, but this is just getting sillier as we go.

There's also the fact that Samsung is still giving no firm updates as to when stock images and files will be available, so that's not making me to keen to rely on them as time goes by either.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Same here...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xXJay_RXx:
I'm really surprised only about 20 devices were actually produced. Even tho I already have one, I always check back in this thread to see if they have gone back up for sale but they haven't. Surprising....

Sent from my Dev Edition Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] tgyberg:
There's a pretty stable 4.4 version of CM out now for the Note 2. May not have to wait long!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] kimdoocheol:
I want pac though!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
they are saying the m8 is going to have 16 gb internal storage forget that. i want htc one max if i can ever sell my htc one
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MissionImprobable:
Gives me something to be excited about for now =p The rumors so far are that some of the info on those benchmarks are questionable in regards to the hardware. It's possible that it's even the DNA II rather than the M8. So much is up in the are. Fact is that at least we know with the One we don't have to wait on a Dev edition to see pretty much everything ported. MIUI is being tested on the One, and CM is up and running.

I just don't understand the point of even releasing a Dev edition in such paltry numbers and doing nothing to give the Devs what they need to make things happen. Moto had just changed their stance on the warranty issue and will be releasing the factory images online as others have noted in this thread. Not something that's difficult to do.

The N3 is the only Samsung device that has interested me but the One appeals to me far more overall, so I'm getting more and more likely to just hold out and see the battery specs, camera, and memory setup on the new version. It makes very little sense to keep changing devices the way companies have been, giving one thing and taking another away. Keep improving and we'll keep buying, but these sub par batteries, cameras, etc are just silly at this point.

Bah, rant over =p I was just rambling there at the end anyway.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
yeah i know what you mean gives us hope. wish i could just get htc one max. love the size of it haha
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] kimdoocheol:
How much of a difference is there between locked boothloader and unlocked bootloader? I'm a bit confused, because from a hardware standpoint they are very similar. So should it just be VZW n3 that are flashed with a different partition format? Shouldn't htat be quite easy for them to accomplish?

I just feel like Samsung is going to lose a lot of preorders due to their inability to deliver and VZW is going to lose a lot of business for people not wanting locked bootloaders/holding out for SS
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MissionImprobable:
The reason it's an issue for the N3 is that you can't flash AOSP Roms through SS. I mentioned earlier in the thread that CM and a few other AOSP variants and MIUI were of interest to me for any new device I buy and someone cleared that up. I was wondering if holding out for the Dev edition was worthwhile and with what I'm wanting to do it is. There are different methods on other devices that allow for ASOP flashing even on locked bootloaders, but not in the case of the N3.

If it weren't an issue I probably would have gone ahead and gotten the regular version and just waited for Devs to work their magic before accepting any updates to the device. It's a pain that development is being hindered by the lack of the factory images and that a device that Samsung received numerous calls and emails about as well as that generated buzz on any tech blog that it was mentioned was released with less than two dozen units available.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] kimdoocheol:
I didn't mean like that. I mean from a manufacturing standpoint how different can the n3 DE and the n3 be? It must just be slightly different info on the partitions, right? I mean hardware wise they are identical. So really there shouldn't be this huge of a shortage... Aside from the different boxes of course
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MissionImprobable:
Ah, yeah that was discussed as well and yes, it seems there's little reason it should be taking so long to get devices out. Maybe they have to cut down special trees to make the Dev edition packaging though =p
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xXJay_RXx:
Yes I heard the boxes are made of actual amazon tropical rain forest trees :eek::p:D

Sent from my Dev Edition Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LillieBennett:
It's political, maybe when their sales drop because of the locked bootloader it will change.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cryptiq:
I could be wrong, but my guess would be that Sammy is dedicated to producing retail versions of the N3 for Black Friday sales. Somewhere in this thread someone mentioned when they called Samsung sales, they were told we might see the DE again around the 1st week of December. I know we can't really put any weight into what sales reps say, but that would be logical if they're trying to crank out volume for Black Friday.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BootlegZani:
I don't know how much longer I can wait. I already got the Moto X Dev Edition to hold me over until this phone was available. Now any Moto X will be on sale for $350 on Black Friday on Moto's website.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] kimdoocheol:
I'm not sure what their contract is with the different carriers, however, if there is no amount of promised units that they need to deliver for this time period it makes no sense that they would go this route as they sell the phones for less to the carriers correct? In which case, they are losing money by doing this - maybe not that much, but still the amount of pre-orders they could definitely pump those out as I'm sure it is not that many units as we may think. Most who want the dev edition probably post here and on some of the other carriers there is no locked bootloader so there is little to no interest for most of the other carriers
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Yakuzahi:
Even the Moto X Dev edition?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BootlegZani:
Yes 16 GBs are $349 and 32 GBs are $399. This includes ones ordered from Moto Maker and the Dev Edition. I wish I had waited.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Yakuzahi:
Thanks

I wish they would let you Moto Maker the dev edition but still it's much better than $549.99.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Off contract for $350?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BootlegZani:
Yeah your right but I was going to originally do a Moto Maker one then I realized I was going to get sick of any color combination after a while so I figured the Dev Edition was the better bet anyway.

---------- Post added at 03:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:56 PM ----------

Off contract correct.

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/11/2...eal-grab-an-off-contract-moto-x-for-just-349/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] njfoses:
http://slickdeals.net/f/6488546-motorola-moto-x-349-off-contract-cyber-monday
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
i wish my htc one was sold i would almost buy one lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TheScarySnail:
okay so i need a little bit of help, if i buy the developer edition note 3 (i plan on selling my gs4 and paying the difference) i have heard that i would be able to flash TMobile ROMS which is awesome because so many ROMS are available for TMo phones, including AOKP which i really want on my future Note 3. is this correct that i would be able to flash TMo ROMS on the dev edition? and has anyone heard of a factory image becoming available for the dev edition? thanks so much for anyone kind enough to help
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
RIL

I dont know why people think we will get AOSP roms anytime soon on Dev edition or regular , even if we have the bootloader unlocked. AOSP , aside from requiring its own kernels, require a working RIL that needs a heck of a developer to port over to our CDMA chips. and it never really has the same strength signal wise as touchwiz. I remember when I had that lump of a phone called rezound, we had to wait good 8 months before we had any chance of aosp. Chad, god bless this dude, opened up the sky by integrating a working RIL into aosp.

Even if Samsung decided to finally give us the stock odin for developer edition which would act as a fail safe , and even if dev edition gets release in mass quantities, we still need a working RIL on aosp roms.

At the rate dev is going for this phone, i wouldn't hold my breath ( not knocking on developers, just looking at the sheer difference between the s3 dev and note 3 when they both first came out )
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] abe_cedar:
devices...

At this point I would b happy with a device and some tw kernels. Any tw kernels -specific for vzw yet?

On N2 there were problems with the sdcard on aosp so beans aosplike rom offered me e smooth exp with sd support

Lets wait 4 next week maybe sammy will have them in stock.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmichaels1982:
kernels

If you have a dev edition , head over to the tmobile section under and original dev and every kernel so far has been compatible in my tests. I prefer imos, as i need reliability and all the bells and whistles give me anxiety. I tested the others for the heck of it and they all boot on any rom in the verizons android dev section. All i do is add the zips in queue, and i get the best combinations .
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TheScarySnail:
well that sucks. i love the note 3 but if i'm not going to be able to flash AOKP there is no way i'm getting it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] abe_cedar:
Imos leankernel were my favs on gnexus.

This is useful. Oneandroidnut mentioned imos as well.

Which one did u use?

DOWNLOAD (flash in recovery)

leanKernel n900t / n900w8 / n900v: http://androtransfer.com/?developer=...on&folder=hlte

leanKernel other n900x devices: http://androtransfer.com/?developer=...er=hlte-others

stock n900t kernel: http://www.box.com/shared/4givokvpzp6cpr0s0kzp

download mirror: http://goo.im/devs/imoseyon/hlte/

test builds (n900t only)

Thanks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] js0uth:
I got an email from Samsung. Saying no eta on this device.... So hopefully whoever got a early Dec Answer is true.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
The first link is the one you want.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
First one, n900v. I've been running it for a few days now and it is smooth. I use Rom toolbox to overclock it sometimes. :)

BTW, there was some talk about AOSP in this thread that DE owners might find interesting. Post # 731

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2523159&page=74
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alexp1289:
I bought the retail Galaxy Note 3 out right from Best Buy I couldn't wait any longer I had to scratch the itch. Plus I got to keep my unlimited data :D
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Well you can return it in 14 days if developer edition comes out again by then right?

Sent from my N900V Dev Edition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alexp1289:
Yep but I'd just buy DE and then sell this one on Swappa cause I got rid of my old phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NWNJ:
Same here as well. I will just wait till next year at this point and see what options are out there. The Note 2 is fantastic and this waiting for the developer edition is ridiculous.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
glad i got mine ;)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Especially with CM11 4.4...First time I have been impressed with AOSP in a long time.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alexp1289:
I'm happy to say that the retail note 3 is doing just fine and I have no need for the DE even though it would be nice. My biggest problem with my old phone was battery life and with the note 3 and juice defender running I get excellent battery life because I don't have to worry about the data using up all the battery. Juice defender makes the battery life on the note 3 insane!! :D
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
I agree while none of us probably need a developer edition device it is nice to have. everybody is all like safestrap i can switch between roms etc etc well dev ed you can just have backups and restore which one you want and not lose space. and i am running imos kernel that gives insane battery life as well on hyperdrive. while nobody needs everything unlocked it sure is nice to own! :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alexp1289:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2521899

FWIW you can install ROMs over stock and keep all storage space available. That's the guide I used and I'm happy as a pig in **** lol.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
ahh dont like the hassle haha
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] xXJay_RXx:
Idk why I'm kinda starting to regret this developer edition. I wonder what I could get for it lol

Sent from my Dev Edition Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TSman74:
From all I read kitkat will be a tough nut to crack. When VZW shuts down root and you're forced to choose between the update or root, you'll be glad you own the DE. At least hang on to it until then to see what happens. ;)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TechBSwift:
By that time I will be moving on to another phone lol

Sent from my SM-N900V using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
what phone the smaller s5? or htc m8? s5 will be locked down tighter then note 3 and lucky if we get developer edition on it within a month of its release. the htc m8 hopefully will get s-off but with 4.4 and new sense it will be tougher and who knows when verizon gets it if they ever get it. that is why i am going to be happy for the time being with my note 3 developer edition and my htc one max i got coming.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] js0uth:
No. Don't regret it bro.

When **** goes down you'll be happy you have a Dev edition. Assuming they'll have the stock Tar available soon. Geeezuz.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] r1ndr3w:
I don't have any hands-on experience with HTC or Sense. Will the MAX be unlockable on Verizon? What are you thoughts on TouchWiz vs. Sense and any other feedback you care to share.

Thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
HTC sense is my favorite ui hands down. And HTC one max bootloader is unlockable and s off which means security off and is a huge thing have if you aren't familiar with sense. And I'm not a hater of tw but will take sense over it any day of the week. Tw doesn't bother like it does many other people.

Sent from my N900V Dev Edition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] r1ndr3w:
I read conflicting reports about Verizon locking down HTC phones in subsequent updates. What ROMs did you flash on your One?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] andrewjt19:
True information. This was the one hiccup with the SAMSUNG Droid Charge as well. Working RIL was never cracked or released by Samsung which basically prematurely ended development on it. The charge community definitely was grateful for the work that was done, but we sat helplessly as the Galaxy Nexus came out and hundreds of ROM's (as though it seemed) were developed. Equipped with this information, I'll be hesitant to buy the note 3..

TappEd from my Note II

Check out my website for encouragement....

www.projectintercession.blogspot.com
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
What did you read? Any link? & I ran newts nos Rom on my HTC one with sense 5.5. HTC one max comes with 5.5 although the one only came with sense 5.0

Sent from my N900V Dev Edition
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] iruC:
I ended up buying the white retail one. Got tired of falling back on the Thunderbolt (since I gave the folks the S4). I used the website's ability to allow me to transfer my upgrade date with another of my lines. So, with the swap, and a few annoyances with setting up the data plan for the other line for a few minutes and then having to call to swap it back to my old one (wasn't available online anymore), I retained unlimited and got the phone.

Now for me to switch over to all the non-DE threads. :silly:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Surge1223:
I don't know if any if you saw my reply in the pit and partitions thread but ill quote it below

" I see lots of posts mentioning that the dev edition firmware can't be extracted into flashable odin tar(s) but none saying why. Whats blocking it? All partitions on the dev edition should be flashable..the fact that kernels and recoveries are able to be flashed means aboots not the problem. Did you upload any part of the dev firmware anywhere? Just curious.

The reason I ask is because when I asked the Samsung rep at Best Buy if we could get the dev edition firmware for the Vzw S4 and N3 last night, he said he couldnt get into it much but that there was a way to get them and it had already been done on the S4. He said there is an S4 thread on xda where they extracted the signed dev firmware. (Yes, he referred me to my own S4 thread. ) When I got into more detail about it he got more reluctant to talk about it and eventually refused to answer and then walked away."

If anyone is interested in helping trying to make this let me me know.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] r1ndr3w:
I'll go searching to see if I can find those links again.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmorton10:
I get a big kick out of all the claims of "insane battery life with xyz rom, or xyz kernel etc. etc."

I have been running different ROMs & kernels on smart phones for years and I have yet to see ANY ROM or kernel that will substantially increase battery life.

I guaranty that any two ROMs that are setup exactly the same as far as apps installed, apps running in the BG etc. will get battery life so similar that you won't know which is which............

Any substantial negative difference at that point is nothing more than user error..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
Anyone check Samsung's website for more Note 3 DE's in stock lol?

If we can extract the recovery kernel from the Developer Edition then what are the steps?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] agentxavier:
Suppose to send emails once they are in stock again...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Brandonrz:
:)

I believe the new s5 bootloader will be way easier to crack. If I'm not most mistaken, it will be loaded with samsung octa core 64 bit prosseser will be filled with exploits.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Surge1223:
Opening terminal then typing

su

mkdir /mnt/sdcard/backup

dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p14 of=/mnt/sdcard/backup/boot.img

Should be 11.5 mb boot.img file named in /mnt/sdcard/backup when its done.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Turgur:
I hope we get the odin file soon =(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] keennay:
That's it? That's the ODIN file we've needed for the past couple of weeks?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
no that is the stock boot.img for making kernels
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jmorton10:
I don't understand WTF Samsung was thinking with this move.

All they have managed to do is really piss off some of their most loyal customers.

I have the retail N3, but only because my 13 year old Daughters line had an available upgrade that just happened to come up right about when the N3 was released. I had fully planned on selling the retail unit & buying the DE as soon as it became available.

That seems kind of pointless now with no Odin files available, so I guess I kinda lucked out & saved a few hundred dollars, but I would still MUCH rather have a huge assortment of ROMs/kernels etc. to choose from for this awesome hardware which seems unlikely to ever happen at this point now....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Thepooch:
They are certainly dragging their feet about re stocking this device. After nearly a month of placing my order I begin to think there is more to it why this electronic behemoth can`t get it together...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SeanPlunk:
Honestly, I think it's just really a low priority for them. They might sell what, 2000 DE's total?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cam30era:
No, actually only 1% of that number.....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BootlegZani:
Well I hope whoever wanted one got their off contract Moto X.today.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
yup 1 of 20 dev editions right here there isnt many out there right now!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] F350-6:
I don't have a lot of experience flashing roms and such, but I've seen roms that had horrible battery life (when ICS was new). So in that sense, some roms did have much better battery life in comparison. The real issue was some roms just had terrible battery life because they weren't right yet.

Just curious, when you did the backorder thing, did they give you an estimated delivery or fulfillment date? I was told 14 business days, which depending on how you count the holiday, puts it around the 11th or 12th of December. I'm not expecting miracles and won't be surprised if that date is missed, but I'm curious to see if any others got feedback for the same timeframe.