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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
That's for the 2012 Nexus 7, which does have a hardware secure element. We're talking about The 2013 Nexus 7, which does not.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Infos3c:
My bad.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
I just bought a spare, unactivated T-Mobile ISIS-enabled SIM card, let's get Wallet talking to it. :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] TheNewGuy:
Let's do it! I will get back to a stock state, ready to test some modded g wallet apk.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] bdorr1105:
Sounds good brother
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
Hey Fenny, check this out: http://nelenkov.blogspot.com/2013/09/using-sim-card-as-secure-element.html
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] blacklabel2020:
So will we be able to use the isis sim card to work with Google wallet?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
Nope. Google would have to modify the app, plus T-Mobile would never give Google the OTA APDU keys (for reprogramming on-card applets) to their SIM cards as long as they're on the ISIS bandwagon.

TL; DR: There will be no Google Wallet Tap-and-Pay on the T-Mobile Note 3 ever, period. Use ISIS instead.

End of thread.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] dstarr:
How about the older Google Wallet?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Flippy125:
Isis is garbage and only supports two types of cards.

Look at the GS4. It was made to work with that.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] bdorr1105:
He actually has been a big contributer to getting Google Wallet to work. My guess between both the GS4 and the Note 3 is the Note 3 may not have a hardware secure element... The HTC One did this, Wallet still doesn't work for that phone unless you have sprint. The carrier will block Google from ever using the Sims secure element
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Flippy125:
I can't see the reasoning for Samsung not putting a secure element. Maybe there is just a driver missing? I also probably should have read back a few pages, it sounded like he was being paid to vouch for Isis :p
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] bdorr1105:
I don't know why Samsung did it but the carriers are pushing for advanced sim with secure element to get themselves out of a legal issue with blocking Wallet and this is a workaround for the carriers who decide to carry these devices.... 3 of the 4 major carriers back ISIS, if it wasn't all 3 it would have never happened... Sprint will eventually develop their own to
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
Whether Google wallet ever works or not, I refuse to use Isis. The lack of being given a choice and I will write a letter to attorney general. I can't see the usa government allowing carriers to block other payment methods. Anticompetitive whether phone is subsidized or not and I don't use subsidized phones so I am extra pissed off.

sent from my sm-900t.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
Read before you open your mouth. You clearly don't have the technical background to understand how contactless payments work, so don't insult those who do.

As for Samsung not including an embedded secure element in our phones - if someone does a teardown and verifies it is indeed not there, as right now we don't have any conclusive proof towards this - simple, T-Mobile requested that when they provided design specifications for their version of the phone to Samsung. Remember, you're not Samsung's customer, the carriers are.

I'm not being "paid to vouch for ISIS" - I just did my research and saw why making Wallet work with the SIM card would be completely impossible on a practical scale. Have you done yours?

---------- Post added at 04:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:43 PM ----------

Let us know how the letter works out. :) I fully agree lack of choice sucks and ISIS sucks for only supporting two specific credit cards, but armchair angst accomplishes about as much as prayer.

There are two things I like about ISIS more than Google Wallet though:

1. No virtual MasterCard - the banks provision the secure element in the SIM card directly, so the phone works just as if you were tapping your Chase or Amex card, instead of charging Google's virtual MasterCard and then Google charging your selected credit card in turn. What does that mean in practice? If you ever have a problem with a transaction, you call Chase or Amex directly without ever having to deal with Google's completely incompetent Google Wallet "support" drones in India who send you canned email responses and solve nothing.

2. Idiotproof recovery mechanism. I just screwed up my phone's ROM and had to do a full wipe and factory reset. I didn't reset my secure element, and thought I'd need to buy a new ISIS SIM card. But I was wrong - when I reinstalled ISIS Wallet and put in my PIN, it erased and reprovisioned the SE and all was well again. Compare that to the permanent SE bricking that occcurs if you forget to reset Google Wallet before wiping your ROM (which erases the phone-specific encryption key Wallet generated during setup to access the embedded SE), which forced people to get their phones replaced.

Yes, ISIS is clunky, it's limited, and it's being forced down our throats, nothing we can do if the phone manufacturers crippled their hardware at the request of carriers to specifically prevent other NFC-based payment solutions from working.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Flippy125:
Anything I said wasn't meant to be insulting, sorry if it came off that way.

About the SE, I'm just hopeful that it is just there and dormant.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] TheNewGuy:
This page give me hope

http://nelenkov.blogspot.com/2012/08/accessing-embedded-secure-element-in.html?m=1

Look at the summery at the bottom.... I just wish I knew how to do the things it describes!lol

If I helped you out, hit the thanks button! :)

Sent from my Note 3 beast!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] DarkShim:
Anyone want to buy an utterly useless Note 3?

Yeah... I don't blame you.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
I read this a long time ago; the article I linked in my post to Fenny a page or so back actually goes into a full detail about using the UICC as an SE (written by the same guy, he's brilliant).

We don't know if the SM-N900T variant has an embedded secure element, so until someone does a teardown or figures out another way to locate it, we're assuming it doesn't.

As for using the UICC as an SE, not possible without T-Mobile giving us their OTA key to their SIM cards (not even sure if they're using a master key or individual per-card keys), which we all know will never happen.

Some older SIM cards that used the weak DES encryption for their OTA provisioning were exploitable where if you sent it a malformed binary OTA SMS, it would respond with an error message that's signed with a hash of the key - from there, you could brute-force it, since DES only takes a few hours to crack with rainbow tables.

There's also the route of buying a completely blank, programmable engineering UICC, which is supplied with all the necessary keys (Ki, OTA), but then Google Wallet would have to be HEAVILY modified to use the UICC, which only Google can do. And it will likely not be possible to program it to register on the T-Mobile network anyway (still researching on that).
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] TheNewGuy:
I know this is kinda off topic, but kinda not.... and it is just as scary and frustrating, as the other topic of nfc/Se

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ntrolling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
Good news, everyone! Google just applied for a patent to do contactless mobile payments (NFC-based) without a secure element.

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...=PG01&s1=google.AS.&OS=AN/google&RS=AN/google

This is good news for us T-Mobile Note 3 owners locked into ISIS! Now we just have to wait a few months for Google to release a new version of Wallet that does not require a secure element for tap-and-pay.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] bdorr1105:
Hellz yea that would be a good slap in the face to the carriers, so I really hope that this process happens fast, may not be in the lifetime of our phone, it will be easy to get the Wallet App like back in the old days...I am pumped if this happens fast
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
It's the only logical step if they want to keep Wallet around - since the carriers are locking them out at the hardware level, they have to eliminate the need for the hardware altogether.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] asaqwert:
So it basically looks like the hopes of wallet working with tap and pay are gone? Or only for tmobile AT&T and Verizon? what about others like bell up in Canada, or Rogers and telus? Could those ever work with tap and pay?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] bdorr1105:
Hopes are not totally gone, hoping Wallet comes through with the hardware bypass to deliver a huge slap in the face to the mobile carriers
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
For the current version of Google Wallet, yes, there's no way to make it work. However, if you read my last post, you'd notice that Google Wallet tap and pay will happen once Google updates it to no longer use a secure element. This will require both updates to the app and updates to their backend servers, so all we can do is wait. I'm guessing they'll have it ready sometime in the spring.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] asaqwert:
Sorry the search isn't working for me and I'm on the way out the door.....do we know for a fact that Google is actually doing this, or is this just wishful thinking? Also, how safe would things be without using a secure element?

And finally, and thoughts on Canada getting tap to pay up here, working stock or hacking it? I knew we used to be able to hack it to work on the s3 with a prepaid card and an address based in the US....

Now is there no way to simply have a program that reads then replicates my nfc chip in my actually tap and pay MasterCard?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
No idea. Only time will tell. The patent is a ray of hope, though.

You just answered your own question.

Nope.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] asaqwert:
No idea. Only time will tell. The patent is a ray of hope, though.

Fair enough, personally I'm not holding my breath. I guess if there is wording in the patent that allows it that is a ray of hope, but not much more. The ray of hope from that to me is simply Google's ambition to be omnipresent in the different facets of android. Not meaning it in a negative way but just meaning Google likes to present themselves as a built in option for as many things as they can, which usually means a decent amount of innovation for end users

You just answered your own question.

Yes, I was hoping for a different option as a possibility that someone may have heard of, maybe Google talking about bringing wallet to other countries.

Nope

Nope meaning there is currently no app, or nope meaning there is no possible way to read the info off of the MasterCard and save it onto software? It seems to me that if criminal elements can scan a card and replicate it then there is a way, wether or not it can be done with simply an nfc chip.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] TheNewGuy:
This is the part I get stuck on.... It HAS to be possible. Kinda.

Now, I actually tried to read that whole patent. And I still didn't find the part that explained why anyone couldn't do this.

It sounds like the pieces are all there. You build an app that adds a credit card to charge and a secure password for who can use it. (Like Amazon) then the app initializes payment, but instead of using the Web it uses the nfc api to do exactly that.... imitate a credit card.

So, what am I missing?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] asaqwert:
I agree...if there is a way that the nfc chip can do tap and pay at all then there has to be a way to do the rest on software. I guess it's just a matter of how complicated it is.

I guess the otter problem might be that someone with nefarious motives could scan someone's chip card and then use it themselves....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
It's as simple as your bank not giving you the Ki (session negotiation) key to the secure element inside your credit card. Without that, you can't read the chip, and you're SOL. Very old cards that used DES encryption could be brute-forced within hours with rainbow tables, but that is history.

People think that SIM cards and chips in credit cards are just glorified memory cards - they're actually complete computers running Java which won't let you in unless you have the keys.

Here's an interesting read that explains some of the contactless payment mechanics (talks about Google Wallet, but the SEs inside contactless credit cards work in a very similar way - run Java applets, are key-protected, etc.):

http://nelenkov.blogspot.com/2012/08/exploring-google-wallet-using-secure.html
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] bdorr1105:
Yea but we have the RSA Keys, are you referring to something else? Like in terms how Wallet could use the SE in the SIM and how its blocked out? Either way, the patent I like because it bypasses all that, but in terms of security they were attacked by the carriers in the past and used it as a lame excuse to block Wallet....If I was a carrier, I wouldn't be so stupid as to not back Google, They are way larger and good to have on your side. See how stupidity and greed ruin everything, look at the country, there is a pattern. Take a stupid moron and make him greedy and them put him in charge, spells disaster and inevitable doom.. Look at Southwest Airlines, they politely gave the middle finger to the rest of the airlines and business is booming for them....Not Greedy, and a practice around whats best for their customer. When you got spineless people you have weakness and fear, fear to compete so what do they do, both sides pus*y out and compromise to protect themselves instead of create competition.

T-Mobile forced change when they game out of the gates swinging with no contracts, cheap plans unlimited Data then everyone else had to adapt so they wouldn't lose customers. ISIS, if you suck you just suck....Its part of the game,, too much control man...Makes me sick
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] siraltus:
RSA keys to what?

Look up what a Ki key is. It allows you to talk to the smart chip inside the credit card. I was answering the question why there isn't an app that can simply "copy" the contents of the chip embedded into someone's credit card.
[Huawei Ascend P6, Mate] daryltanael:
I'm just wondering? is there a compatible app for the p6 for this? :confused:
[Huawei Ascend P6, Mate] GalaxySIIII:
Dont do it u will fry it ...
[Huawei Ascend P6, Mate] daryltanael:
yea.. just wondering though if someone ever attempted it, or is it even possible for the P6 :eek:
[Huawei Ascend P6, Mate] JackHanAnLG:
It has a locked bootloader at the moment, which means no custom kernels which = no overclcoking :(
[Huawei Ascend P6, Mate] orca ultra:
It's reality? The bootloader is lock?

Sent from my P6-U06 using Forum Runner
[Huawei Ascend P6, Mate] warea:
There was a article on Huaweiblog.de that mentioned of a phablet version of P6 called P6S. It had same CPU and GPU but it was clocked at 1.6GHz.
[Huawei Ascend P6, Mate] Lupius:
I hope you've been using your device for a few days and have noticed the overheating issues. Are you sure you don't want to underclock it instead?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaed.43725:
So I moved my Android zips off of my phone to make some extra room for Firefox OS. And when I was done playing with it I found out that the USB connection to get into the SD card does not work (another reason to have removable storage). I have Google_Nexus_4_ToolKit_v2.0.0 and tried everything I could think of in there. I dont know how to ADB except to put the phone into sideload mode and you use command prompt. I have CWM recovery on it. So any help would be awesome. I will take a good link or some step by step stuff. Thank you.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luiseteyo:
Calm down, there's solution.

1. Download Google Factory Image from here(4.3)

2. Extract it in your adb directory. You should see some files, but we oly need the radio.img, bootloader.img and image-occam-blabla.zip

3. Open a command window in your adb directory.

4. Reboot into bootloader and write the following code:

> fastboot erase boot
> fastboot erase cache
> fastboot erase recovery
> fastboot erase system
> fastboot erase userdata
> fastboot flash bootloader bootloader-blablabla.img
> fastboot reboot-bootloader
> fastboot flash radio radio-blablabla.img
> fastboot reboot-bootloader
> fastboot -w update image-blablabla.zip

5. The phone will reboot. Now u can use the toolkit to flash a recovery again (select 4.2.2 firmware) and starting rooting and flashing roms again.

:)

Good luck! If u need any help just quote my comment so I get notified
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaed.43725:
Ok. So what I did was kinda following your setup here. I had to get the Android SDK first. Then extract that into C:/. Then I got the 4.3 like you said and extracted that C:\adt-bundle-windows-x86_64-20130917\sdk\platform-tools. Then because of the new SDK I put the phone into the first 3-button mode. I then ran flash-all. And after a minute I had stock 4.3.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackfire74:
Hello,

I was wondering what kind of internal memory, indicated as "USB Memory" has S2 installed?

I got MicroSD card inserted for backups which is 8GB Class 10. And she's speedy. What class or type, in the matter of speed, is internal memory?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] santhosh502:
What do you mean type of intenal memory? Its FAT32 format and slow while transfer as it is internal storage.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewwright:
Same spec. Class 10 non removable
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackfire74:
And that was what I asked for. Thanks!
[AT&T HTC One (M7)] joho5:
When checking for an update do I need to check settings/Att software update? Or settings/about/software update?

What's the difference?
[AT&T HTC One (M7)] chenchen399:
You need to check the ATT Software update. The other is checking HTC's servers for an update (which is nonexistent)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackfire74:
Hello,

I was browsing stuff in internal memory and I noticed a lot of folders. Excluding folders I created and apps created, wchich ones I MUST PRESERVE and cannot delete to get system running? Well, I asked because I like to keep it tidy and I guess less stuff in memory means faster phone. I use few apps that have "cleaning" options like RootAppDelete (it has Clean Junk option) and GoPowerMaster (system trash clean option). Does these clean all what is unnecessary or should I manually clean something from time to time?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caproid:
Those folders could have been created by applications. If you deleted them, the folders stay there:) if the folders are empty and aren't system ones with a dot in front of them, you can delete them. In my opinion, the best way to clean the folders is manually :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] tsunami2312:
mannn im dying to flash some aosp on this toy! any idea on how long is it gonna take to see the first aosp rom? :confused::(:fingers-crossed:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] shin lucifer:
Hold your horses man... We still waiting for a safe and working recovery that works for all.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] XxLostSoulxX:
When the first dev Is up to it and when we get devs who buy the phone.

Chill it's going to be about a month or so till the development gets flowing
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] stereotripical:
Yeah, I agree with both responses. I give it a few months. This phone is still a baby (a big and healthy one at that), but based on what I saw in the Note 2 forums when it first got released, there's a good chance we'll be seeing TONS of excellent ROMS and kernel choices coming our way. I thought my flashing addiction was over, but I have a feeling I'm going to relapse and hit rock bottom when the inevitable flood of custom ROMs comes.

Personally, I am anxious for AOSP too, but I really can't say that I am hating this version of touchwiz (solely for the S Pen functionality). If one of our devs can implement S Pen functionality in an AOSP-based ROM I'm going to need to invest in a new pair of jeans, because I will undoubtedly soil my current pair.

Be patient, brotha, this phone won't get overlooked as far as development is concerned. I'm just excited to see which developers we'll get. And when we do, let's try not to run them off.

Sub question out of curiosity, who are some developers that you guys would be thrilled to see developing for our beloved Note 3? Based on our first ROM developer, jovy23, we are off to a very promising start! My experiences with his previous works have been nothing but solid.

My $0.02; Cl3Kener, ptmr3, Jamison904, gs2usr, elbermu, prbassplayer, thederekjay, ThdDude, ayysir, Master&Slave... The list could go on. Pipedreams, man.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Layney:
+1!!! lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] truthkillszz:
I just need Bajee to come back so we can get RootBox for the Note3
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Ker~Man:
+++111!!! :good:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sbell7105:
AOKP with S pen support! I'm actually still using my S4 as my dd until that happens because I hate Touch wiz.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] tsunami2312:
im ok with liquidsmooth or slim, they were great on my sgs3!:)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] itsmikeramsay:
Give it some time peeps...

Note 3 brings a whole new set of hardware... Qualcomm 800 is new and so is the GPU.

U see things happening in this order....

1) Safe Recovery

2) Kernel (Probably with SELinux set to "Permissive")

3) AOSP or at least the bits of it....

I see all this happening over the next few weeks to a month. This device is only a week old peeps... it'll happen. People are still making way of getting the device. S4 was a huge step, some people used their upgrades, some people have to buy the phone outright... I happen to be one of them lol. Just give it a bit more time....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] deeznutz1977:
April 26th......

:)

1992 there was a riot on the streets tell me where we're you
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] truthkillszz:
Not going to happen. The most you would get is limited support. For example just basic usage but not any of the advanced features Samsung added because those are tied to TouchWiz. Unless a team writes the code to add Spen features from scratch kind of like how the PA Team created Halo, which brought multi-screen to AOSP.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] sbell7105:
I think you are wrong Google AOKP S pen it was pretty legit for the note 2.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] truthkillszz:
I thought you were talking about the more advanced features that samsung added like Air Command and stuff. I just came from the note 2 and AOSP only supports basic usage.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] AdmiralCF420:
I just want to say that if there is a dev out there that would be willing to write the code for all the fun features that sammy incorporated i would be willing to donate for that. i would love a rom with a lot of spen functionality and that uses google now like the s voice feature.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] tsunami2312:
well people aosp is really close!!! check this out! :laugh: :victory:

https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/Bc6e1QrxYhG
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] knives of ice:
i wonder if there is any chance of MHL out working on the Note 3 with an AOSP rom. It never worked on the Note 2
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] @rbiter:
What ever happened to don't ask for ETA's? The phone has been out for less than a month. Less than two weeks for most people. Good grief.

Sent from my SM900T.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] zmore:
Not asking for ETAs is like NOT thinking about a pink elephant. Thought about. Didn't ya. Yeah.
[General Topics] kdskamal:
Is there any ??

though i do have o2 mini and would like to have same OS on my 2215 ?? atleast win 2003 se..

so is there any os upgrade that u guys have for it ??