yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G2 Accessories] slayer3032:
Oh, I didn't buy one lol.. I'm waiting for other people to post some reviews of them first since a lot of eBay junk is simply just that, junk.
[G2 Accessories] Klotar:
I ordered this one, from eBay: http://www.ebay.de/itm/350926538893

I was skeptical that it included the cover as it didn't specify but it did ask me to pick a colour, so we'll see, heh.
[G2 Accessories] markus4000:
So today my package arrived:

The Package

The Case

Wireless Charging Pad 1

Wireless Charging Pad 2

The case build quality is pretty cheap but fits "ok" around the device. The bezel on the front left is much more flat than on top/right/bottom but that wasn't the reason I bought this anyway.

The wireless charging pad is really thin. I didn't expect it to be that thin. It also looks very cheap and the plastic covering the coil even comes off on the sides a little bit. But maybe thats not a problem when it sits tight in a case.

As of now I don't own a wireless charger so I can't test this thing right away. Hopefully I can test it with a Nokia Wireless Charging Pillow of a friend of mine in the next few days. Greetz
[G2 Accessories] Klotar:
Still waiting on mine, but now over the 3 week mark so hoping that it arrives any day now. I ordered a couple charging pads and they arrived some time ago so just a matter of letting the package thaw out when it arrives. :D
[G2 Accessories] player911:
Yes it is supposed to be that THIN. All it is, is a thin copper spiral cable in there. It is sandwiched between 2 stickers. If you feel it necessary, just use regular scotch tape on the sides. Typically there is a fold on one side. It's super (paper) thin because most of these are designed to fit between the battery and back cover. I'm not sure if there is room in the G2 but on my Galaxy Nexus, I was able to use the extended backplate with it wedged in there. Most backcovers also have plastic spines that can be sanded out to create a bigger gap to house it internally.

It is a SUPER awesome mod but I'm glad the Verizon model has it built in else I probably would have waited for an Galaxy S5. Once my Galaxy Nexus was modded, it was awesome; ugly, but awesome.
[G2 Accessories] markus4000:
But it also contains a small controller to regulate powerflow, does it?

Of course it's a good thing that it is that small. The USB cable concerns me a bit though because it is to long to fit perfectly so I will have to fold it twice :/ Hopefully it doesn't break. But even if it does I think it shouldn't be that hard to repair it.
[G2 Accessories] Klotar:
I also was looking at how long the connector ribbon was and figuring that it would need a couple folds. Might be able to wrap it around itself or do a "Z" fold; not sure yet -- waiting to see what it looks like first-hand. Would sure hate to snap it, but like you say, probably would be easy to fix.
[G2 Accessories] markus4000:
Hey there,

tested it today with the mentioned nokia wireless charging pillow and at first it didn't work.

I had to flip the receiver pad upside down to make it work. Didn't expect the pad to have a distinct direction as it is just a coil :confused:

The working direction was with the "Wireless Charger" text and symbol turned towards the back of the phone and the technical instuctions / install picture visible on the back of the phone (in the case). I don't know if this is an issue or has to be that way to work with standard Qi chargers.

At least it works. I couldn't exactly test how fast it charges, but I guess it's around 0.7A - 1A. I had the "slow charging" notification so it can take a while, but it works.
[G2 Accessories] markus4000:
Hello again,

I bought the Zens ZESC02W/00 wireless charging pad and use it daily to charge my phone and it works great! Charging speed is like I thought, a full charge (0 - 100%) would take around 4 to 5 hours, so it's perfect for charging over night.

Here are some pictures:

Charging with screen off

USB port

Charging while in battery settings
[G2 Accessories] josedecuba:
hello

ji:good:
[G2 Accessories] TheBestImposter:
Any change I could use that with my OtterBox Defender case?
[G2 Accessories] markus4000:
If it's not too thick and it's completely plastic I'm pretty sure it will work. As long as there is a way to connect the pad from within the case to the phone's USB connector... Couldn't find pictures of the bottom of this case.
[G2 Accessories] explorer-10:
Sorry to bump, but is this on the T-Mobile variant?
[G2 Accessories] Hosre:
Looks so amazing
[G2 Accessories] korywiesner:
Cheap charging coil and Otterbox commuter

I bought the cheap USB plug charging coil and the commuter case and with a little modification it works well. The rubber USB plug needs a slit just big enough to squeeze the USB male plug through cut in it where the first bend is as well as removal of the support band inside the square head of the USB cover. Also the back plate to the case needs half of the circle trimmed out but once you put it all together it works very well. Make sure you have several cheap charging pucks because of you had to take it all apart very often, the cable on the charging coil will fail.
[G2 Accessories] tmac7890:
G2 - Otterbox Commutor

Thanks for the info korywiesner

So I'm ordering this http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Wireless-Charging-micro-USB-narrow-interface/dp/B00IYD5H7Q/ (Narrow-interface Up) to install under my Otterbox Commuter case. I guess I'll be doing the slight modifications. Thanks for the info and confirmation that it works.
[G2 Accessories] MicroMod777:
Anybody try these wireless charging stickers?

These look similar to whats on the vs980.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/171568276982?nav=SEARCH
[G2 Accessories] peachpuff:
Interesting... i contacted the seller for some installed pictures. Only the verizon model has pads for wireless charging, wonder what pads these things connect to on other models. Definitely gonna get a set if this is legit.
[G2 Accessories] peachpuff:
The seller is clueless on this product, he has no idea how it installs or has any install instructions, it also ships form china not US.

After looking at the usb flex cable i just don't see where these wireless pads would make contact.
[G2 Accessories] MicroMod777:
I don't think it would work as I finally temporarily got a tmo g2 and it only has the 2 nfc connectors.
[Nook HD, HD+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hgelpke:
I know there is a hacked app to allow Super HD videos that comes in several versions offering higher bitrates on higher end devices. Are any nook hd+ users using it, and if so, which one are you using solidly?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] kaemon:
Hi all,

i read more and more people wanting to sell their brand new exec, BARELY USED... Are people disappointed by it and think it doesn't worth the money ???

I am really wondering what is wrong with it... and i don't have one yet, but i am thinking about getting one... now reading more and more bad reviews on it, dispointment and people selling it after less than a week of use... i am really hesitating to buy it, even though i ve waited it for many months !

What is your opinion about it and do you think it really worth 1000 € ??

Thanks,

Mike.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] craigiecraigie4:
I would NEVER recommend it for a housewife, but if you are just a little bit tech savvy, AND have a weekend to spare setting it up according to guidance on these forums, it's great. If you do not, you could be extremely miserable with the speed and unacceptable bugs such as BT turning off.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] xiasma:
I think a lot of it is people hoping to make a quick buck. I mean, £229 + £8 x 12 = £325 total outlay. People are selling them for upwards of £400 pretty much the same day with just about no risk and keeping a free 5mb/month sim card. Either that, or they just don't need a new handset and are taking advantage of the demand for Universals.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] chrissyboy6969:
As a phone its no good for me just too fiddily, i use it as a data centre and pocket pc with a seperate phone, for this it is perfect :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Broon:
I think its a great little device. Don't get me wrong, if you expect it to have no bugs you will not be happy but as with all new technology, it will take time to iron them out.

In the meantime, I am happy to live with the minor glitches. It wont take long until the Exec is supported better (and also WM5) and this should be when this device comes into its own.

As for the functionality as a phone - I really am getting used to it :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] SiliconS:
This is spot-on. That's exactly what a few people are doing. Sure there are some people who have been disappointed with theirs, but honestly, what were they expecting? Most people who are complaining are either newcomers to the PDA/Phone world, or they're installing every damn WM2003 software they've ever bought and killing their machines with incompatible software. IMHO ;)

I couldn't ever personally justify €1000 for any phone/PDA device, but for €500 it is an excellent machine. I love mine. Perhaps I'm biased. ;) Just remember that it's an early release of WM5 and there are a few bugs. They'll be fixed in time though and they're not fundamental IMHO.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] jah:
@xiasma, which tariff is £8 per month? Can you purchase this online?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mariom:
I agree with what's been said so far. If someone came to this even from a Nokia smartphone I think they could be disappointed, as they are phones first and pda/gadgets/whatever second whereas the Universal is more like a high-end pda with a phone that happens to be built in. Even coming from a non-phone PDA (as I did) takes a little getting used to imho, since I used to have a far more cavalier attitude to installing stuff on my ipaq whereas now with the Universal I need to consider "will people still be able to ring me if I install this shareware demo?". Stability and reliability is very important for a phone, but for a small portable computer I tend to think that features and what-can-I-install-next are key. These are almost mutually exclusive characteristics and so finding the right compromise is a fairly personal decision I think - although it will probably divide into those two camps.

Going off-topic a bit, it would be nice if there were a 'phone only' kind of safe mode on the Universal, so if you do get something buggy going on you can set it to phone-only mode until you get round to sorting the problems, safe in the knowledge that at least the phone will work.

What do you think?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] xiasma:
It's the Data 5 tariff - purchase from an O2 shop, not online. You maybe able to buy it over the 'phone.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] CL55:
I think people are after quick bucks as well, to me the Exec is buggy, not because of the device but rather the reliablities of WM5. Performance wise it's decent even with O2 active, my major issue is I can't get most of my most often used softwares to work properly in WM5.

Size wise, I was really surprised as it's not nearly as big as I originally imagined, it's only slightly bigger than my old IIs. I think couple ROM upgrades, I'd love this thing :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cktlcmd:
I am glad you guys started this thread. I too want to purchase an HTC Universal, but was having second thoughts because of the bad comments I read about it.

I do have one question though, "Is it plague with soft resets?" How often do you have to perform a soft/hard reset?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] willfarr:
It is better than the BlueAngel!!!

I received mine in from O2 the other day and from just running Win2005 and included software, this device really seems to be an improvement over my MDAIII, which I have never yet been able to work solidly in a years's time of playing with it. The build quality is very good. However, my 2 primary 3rd party applications - Goodlink push email and Tom Tom Navigator 5 - do not intall and work. I have been told that the Tom Tom will work if the CABs are transferred in manually, but I have not yet tried that. My Dictionary and Bible programs installed and work fine from their SD chips. But the only thing now is to wait for everybody to tweak apps to Microsoft 2005. This device should start to take off after that starts to occur. However, once HP with their iPaq 6515 upgraades to 2005, then that should be major competition to HTC - even though HTC makes those as well :lol:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
There are absolutely, catagorically, 100% certainly, no arguements, LESS BUGS in my brand new WM5 JasJar than any WM2003SE device I've owned previously.

I agree with some points made though, software which works on WM5 is few and far between, and even if you find some which says it works, it may still cause problems...Look at SPB Pocket Plus which slows the JJ to a crawl if you put a storage card meter on your today screen.

My advice is to be patient and accept that because you've bought the first WM5 device, there will be some time to wait until there's software available that's not only "Compatible with...", but actually "Designed for..." WM5.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] daveb1976:
Very pleased I didn't own a WM2003 device older device then. It still doesn't change the fact that they've released a product with full knowledge that it doesn't work.

In terms of other applications, I completely accept that installing old apps on WM2005 may cause problems. I'm refering to the product "out the box".
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
What "doesn't work"?

Everything that came with my JasJar works perfectly.

Your t9 problem is not something I've heard anyone mention before. If you've done a hard reset and it still doesn't work, I'd send it back to O2 and get them to replace it?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] daveb1976:
I've already taken it back twice and it's been swapped out both times. There are a number of people on this forum who have had the same problem. Here's one posting.

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=30591&highlight=

I guess it's possible that if I were to flash to the imate ROM it might work, but then I lose my warrantee.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] xiasma:
TBH, I disagree with just about EVERY point on your list :D

I'm certainly not aware of glaring bugs or omissions. Quite the opposite, in fact. I'm using an MDA Pro - perhaps the XDA Exec's extra software is the cause for most gripes.

I hate T9 so I've never tried it on the Universal. Then again, with a full keyboard, why would I?

I use voice command all the time and it works PERFECTLY for me. That's well beyond my expectations. Now I can't say I've noticed your issue with contacts, but then again, when I use voice command it's when I'm not really using the screen or keyboard.

Totally and utterly disagree :D

First of all, MS are trying to get people away from traditional Windows thinking of starting and stopping applications. They want to give the perception of everything just always being there and ready. This wasn't an easy decision for them, but I believe it was the right one. OK, for all us techies and PC-savvy types, yeah, we know what's going on in memory. But lots of consumers (your mum, for example) don't. And this is actually a behavior of the APPLICATIONS, not of Windows Mobile. Take a look at the developer's guidelines and you'll see.

Also, if you want to *terminate* an application that was not designed to be terminated using the (X) button, go to Settings, Memory, Running Programs. You can close any or all applications there. And that's been part of Windows Mobile since at least 2002, if not sooner.

That's your experience, but so far removed from mine it's untrue! Then again, I've installed almost nothing extra on my Universal.

yeah, I'm in 100% agreement on these two.

:evil: :evil:

See my comment about Settings/memory/Running programs. You can use this as a task switcher too. But the idea really is to discourage this kind of Windows NT/XP mindset.

Another brave decision for MS is to try to make files easier for consumers to understand. The idea is

"I don't really understand file systems. Why can't I keep all my documents together? In fact, why do I even need to know where my documents are kept? I just want my spreadsheets to be presented to me when I go to Excel; I want my pictures to be presented to me when I go to picture viewer; etc"

MS had a stab at this with Windows 95 and "My Documents". They have abandoned this in Windows Vista in favour or something more like Windows Mobile's "show you what you need when you need it". All these utilities really will become obsolete for all but the most techie users. My companies products are following the same ideology in desktop and mobile software.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] SiliconS:
The T9 PhonePad bug is described in other threads on this forum and I've found that my device has the same problem. However, I don't personally find this in any way restrictive since the Universal has ...umm... a full, usable, hardware keyboard. ;) :D

All these PDA/phone machines have been best after several experiments with their configuration. I did a hard reset this morning so that I cleaned off all my experimental applications' legacies and now I'm running trusted, tested apps that work well and bring huge positive benefits.

However, people who just want a machine to work out of the box will find Microsoft's core applications are crap and empty of features. I fully agree with daveb1976 about that. I disagree that they're particularly buggy though.

Fortunately I (and many others on these forums) actually enjoy messing about with the configuration and tweaking the machines to get them working 100% the way we want. It's part of the pleasure of owning them IMHO. Not everybody will share this pleasure, though, and so some frustration is understandable. :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] xiasma:
Again, I completely disagree. In fact, of almost ALL the 100s of computers I've used and owned, I'd say that it is less true of the MDA Pro than it is any other computer (maybe except the Z88)

I'll agree with all of that though :oops:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] jah:
@xiasma

for most problems I have found work arounds, but this does not seem very "consumer" (non techy) friendly to me.

Summary of issues I have found:

- BT switches off under some power settings with no indication

- Message app causes crashes

- SMS notification causes crashes

- Contacts list empty when trying to record voice dial
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] xiasma:
blimey. I've never used BT in my life so I won't comment on that, but I recorded loads of voice contacts and use them all the time - never had a problem. I use the message app (for GPRS connection to an Exchange server) a LOT (auto-check every 10 minutes during office hours) and it's been faultless. I send maybe 10 SMS messages per month (and receive about the same nubmer) and I've never experienced any problems. Either the Exec's s/w is crap, or you've put some crap software on there, or you exec is screwed, mate.

How about trying the MDA Pro rom and seeing if your experiences are any better? Do a vanilla install - forget all these "must have" hacks and try working *with* Windows Mobile, rather than against it. Yeah, sure, you'll probably still hate it and revert to your preferred way, but you never know, after a couple of days, you may find it a better way of working. If your troubles with it are that bad, it's got to be worth a go, hasn't it?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] SiliconS:
Fair enough. :) I'm surprised though - IMHO the calendar application is unusable because of its simplicity and its appearance on the Today screen is limited in its use or flexibility. I find the same with the tasks application. There is no profile switcher provided by MS so we have to use PZP or other similar things. There's no application launcher included by MS for the Today screen either. These are just a few of the things that I feel are missing from the OS that should have been included by MS as a bare minimum.

However, whatever holes there are in MS's system have been filled superbly by the aftermarket development community and this is a nice healthy situation for us to be in. It does mean that non-tech users are slightly inconvenienced though, especially in these early days of a new OS. :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] daveb1976:
:) It's interesting (and reasuring) to see some people with clearly different experiences to me.

Please note, the first point on my posting - I do still have my XDA. Fortunately I also enjoy tinkering with things and so I persist. But I also work in software development and I recognize bad quality software when I see it.

The one arguement that's come up in defence is "well, I don't use it, so I don't mind that it's broken". To me that doesn't hold water. They're charging us for a device that offers X, Y, Z. If one of these doesn't work that's unnacceptable, whether or not I want to use it.

I also can't argue that the O2 rom may be worse than others. But I've got the standard, vanilla install without any of the o2 apps on top, so it would seem to me that it's the OS causing the issues.

In terms of MS trying to encourage a new way of working, isn't the strength of this device the fact that it's similar to Windows? In terms of raw UI, in MY opinion a lot of the standard mobile manufacturers do a better job (Samsung, SE, Nokia). They're also faster. We're talking about a 520 Mhz processor with 128 MB RAM etc. Surely a light version of Win XP should work? Ok, I don't kwow hardware, so I may be off the mark here, but it just seems like we're making excuses where we shouldn't need to.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] jah:
@xiasma

I am using a JJ and there is a whole thread on JJ/execs crashing when a SMS arrives. I use email with GPRS & UMTS and perhaps it is switching problem. Also why does my JJ use 30MB of RAM when there are no apps running?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
No excuses being made by me.

Everything I've used in my JJ has worked perfectly, and I think I've used it all (Except the GPS panel - I know my way around London and don't venture further often enough to need GPS!)

I've certainly used everything which has been mentioned in this thread as "broken" and I haven't had any problems. Ok, the calendar plugin could be better, etc, etc, etc, etc but that's what software is for!?

Yes, some software I've used has screwed things up, but that's not the fault of the Microsoft, i-mate, or the software houses, just me being impatient...

I'm loving the JJ. I don't have half the rubbish I had installed on my previous PPC's (cause it's mostlyonly compatible-"ish" so far) and if I'm honest, I don't miss any of it yet, because the basic stuff works so much more reliably than it did on my WM2003SE phones.

Of course, I understand that people may have bugs that I haven't got, but I can only comment on my own experience...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] xiasma:
Make the world a damned exciting place 8)

Well, apart from Reading

I've not used that in defence of anything except for maybe in acceptance of your criticisms :lol:

I think I've only stated that I've not used Bluetooth or T9 and, as such, don't feel qualified to comment on them or their alleged faults. Everything else, I feel I've justified (rather than defended necessarily, I've no adgenda here).

Windows is not set in stone. Take a look at Vista and compare it to Windows 95, for example. Or even Windows 3.11 or Windows 1 :twisted:

OK, visit ebay and buy a 500 Mhz PC and install 64MB (not 128MB) in it and add a 128mb hard disk. Install Windows XP. Now tell me the Universal is slow :lol: :lol: Of course, I jest a little, it's not exactly rapid, but when you work WITH WM5 rather than against it, you'll find it's actually very fast. Try keeping applications open rather than closing them all the time :wink:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] xiasma:
[quote="jah]Also why does my JJ use 30MB of RAM when there are no apps running?[/quote]

Damned OS, fancy needing memory. I'm pretty sure that no other operating system requires memory :roll: