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[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
So AT&T does not have service by you?
[Nexus 5 General] zandander:
Negative. The closest full coverage zone is ~105 miles away. There is 0 gsm coverage in my area.
[Nexus 5 General] ricecake2000:
I forgot about that! Has it been "certified" yet?
[Nexus 5 General] wideasleep1:
Negative. There is no incentive for VZW to follow the law they agreed to during spectrum allocation until the gov reopens to pressure them into compliance. Naturally VZW will PR spin it as some silly scenario to protect their customer's services/network stability...but everyone already knows that's BS. There is no technical obstruction..just VZW business as usual screwing customers.
[Nexus 5 General] IRX120:
I think its possible that Google will release the nexus 5 as a world phone, (like the iPhone 4s) and sell it through the google play store for 300-400$ (somewhere along there) abd that way Verizon wouldn't be able to hold back OTA updates.

Just a theory tho
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
You cannot use a unlocked phone on Verizon. Verizon needs to allow the actual device on it's network. Does not matter if the bands are supported or not. Without Verizon saying OK, you are not getting on their network.
[Nexus 5 General] Crooke356:
Screw Its users? Some people don't have a choice. I don't have a choice. I pay $105 a month for unlimited data, unlimited txt and 1000 minutes. Yes, its an old plan and one I don't plan on giving up until they force me to. LTE everywhere I go. I live in the boonies and my only choice for internet is dial up.... or VZW. With LTE, I get 10mbs down. 2mbs up (at the least). I bought the Nexus 4 and tried every carrier but AT&T and there is NO signal whatsoever where I live. My brother and sister have AT&T so I know that reception with them is the same. So, no other carrier can even offer enough signal to send a txt or make a call, let alone provide data speeds that power all the internet devices in my home. Again, I have no choice and if I did, with the plan I have and the coverage, I'm not so sure I would change.

I see your point about the giants and showing them they shouldn't operate they way they do. Take away VZW's prices, Take away their branding and its not that bad. Most people just don't care about the branding or locked down devices. They just want a good phone that works and works where ever they are. Verizon provides that. It's not what I want, but what most consumers do want. They will not change. Really, there is only one thing that they do that pisses me off. I just said most consumers don't care about the branding, don't care about locked down devices. So, take that small minority that does, and take an even smaller minority that is actually still on Verzion... why not let them have the Nexus? It's such a small segment, how could it hurt them? As long as they don't sell them in their stores, only the geeks like me will buy them and we aren't many. It's that reason why I still have a little bit of hope. I have a G2 (rooted with custom recovery) so I'll survive without the Nexus but there is just something about a Nexus that I can't explain. The G2 might be as close as I'll get. But if the Nexus is available, I'll sell the G2 and be good to go.

So, why screw me? What did I do?
[Nexus 5 General] zandander:
Very, very well said sir.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
Like you said, you might be the part of a small minority of Verizon users who want a Nexus device. Verizon doesn't care about it's small minority of users, heck they don't care about it's large minority of users. As long as they are still making large profits and people continue to pay their high prices they probably don't see a need to change anything. Why would they want to ruin their unlimited amount of money that keeps rolling in.

Why would they want to let customers due what they please with their devices. Heck, look at Apple. Being a bully and letting your users only do what you want them to do with your device has obviously proven to be a successful recipe. Verizon is no different.

Just goes to show you what people really want. For everyone else there is pre-paid and Nexus device. lol
[Nexus 5 General] Crooke356:
Yea, that makes sense but so does just letting Google make a Nexus on VZW frequencies. VZW doesn't have to do a thing. Just watch a few people buy a phone without signing a contact and most of those are already off contact, like me... I know this is an endless topic. Great points to be made on both sides. Just wish 'the right thing' would win here. VZW really couldn't lose by allowing the Nexus. Who do most people go to when it's time to buy a phone? Their geeky friend. VZW would move up on my good guy list if they allowed the Nexus. Wishful thinking. Lol, until I hear otherwise, I'll hold out hope.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
There is absolutely no win for Verizon if they were to allow someone to purchase a Nexus device from the Play Store at $300 and hook it up to their network. It will never happen. They don't want people keeping unlimited and if a Nexus device was available at that price without contract they would never get anyone off of unlimited.

At $600-$650 for a device there are people who are now thinking that a $200 price for a phone on contract and getting rid of unlimited data which they don't use might be worth it financially for them.

Verizon is extremely profitable as we all know. They aren't about to give up any of that money. As a matter of fact there is no such thing as enough money to these corporations. I am sure they are already looking to see how they can make even take more money from the working class. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Do you think Verizon really cares if you are smiling or not as long as you are paying your bill? Do you think they care if you go into debt because your cell phone bill is out of control.

There concern is how much they can raise your bill and still get paid. Obviously this does not just reflect how Verizon works but more how business in general works. Sometimes you will find the good guys, but they are the ones who usually end up out of business or in financial trouble. lol
[Nexus 5 General] Crooke356:
Good point.. I, personally, don't think us unlimited users make that big of an impact. If we did, VZW would just do what AT&T did and force us off unlimited. When you say VZW wins nothing by allowing the Nexus then maybe I should say what do they have to lose? Yes, that person that is just about to give up unlimited to upgrade for a $200 on contact device would stop and go nexus instead, that's what they would lose. Not much really, there just aren't many of us out there. While part of me agrees with this, there just has to be someone there with some sense that realizes that by allowing the Nexus they will gain more. More as in not being the bad guy. Making it OK to recommend VZW for more than their coverage. They also might be able to keep there Android users. IOS is on the rise and Android is on the decline at big Red. And we know why. They know why. Letting their few unlimited users use a reasonably priced phone on there networks without an upgrade would only help to bring back android users. This fact, you can't deny.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
You think to much like a customer and not a big greedy, money hungry corporation. Lol

That is why they have all the money and we keep giving them more.

Your only option is to leave and it doesn't sound like your are. I left Verizon 2 months ago and could not be happier with my Nexus on pre-paid plan.
[Nexus 5 General] ricecake2000:
What carrier did you choose? Straight talk with at&t looks very appealing. I might even pay my etf and not wait till April haha.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
Had Straight Talk last month but I am currently using Aio Wireless which also uses AT&T networks. Going stick with them for now. No complaints.
[Nexus 5 General] gcarterny:
Vzw is lighting up awsLTE (band 4) in NYC so I Wonder how that plays out since this phone supports band 4. Also VOLTE is suppose to rollout in 2014 so who knows. I guess they can still pull the 7 lte trick and not certify it.
[Nexus 5 General] Crooke356:
Lol... true true. Except in one aspect. VZW losing Android sales. It's because of everything we are taking about here. The customers they are losing are the tech savvy types like us. Again, were not a huge segment but being in a business that deals with numbers I know you want every customer you can get and the tech savvy customers are the ones that recommend to others what and where to buy. The Android customers they lost are not something they can ignore and ultimately, IMO, an easy place to start getting them back is with the Nexus. Lol, my opinion obviously.
[Nexus 5 General] Johmama:
I kind of want to chime in on this discussion. First: these are opinions, not facts. I'm not saying that I'm right and you're wrong. I just want to throw my view out there.

From what I've observed, Verizon would rather lose the tech-savvy, Nexus-buying crowd than to give up an inch of control of the devices on their network. They are hell-bent in making sure their bloatware apps are installed as system apps and are non-removable. Hell-bent on blocking anything that competes with any business ventures they have (Google Wallet vs ISIS, for example). Hell-bent on locking people into contracts with their carrier-subsidized phones, which is of course a win-win there; they get the contract, plus the device is guaranteed to have their bloatware on it.

If you look further into their bloatware, you might see why they are pushing it so hard. What programs come on a Verizon-subsidized Android phone? I honestly don't know; I've only owned two smartphones, the iPhone 4 as a Christmas gift and the Nexus 4 (Nexus 4 opened my eyes; now I'm only buying Nexus phones, and even developing on Android). I'm going to assume they include stuff like partnership apps like the NFL one, probably a "My Verizon" app, maybe some other feature apps. What they want to do with those, is make people dependent on them. Or at least like them. If someone likes an app only available on your network, they will lean more towards you when it comes to upgrade time. From a business perspective, you really want to push those apps. Devices like the ones on the Nexus line completely undermine that business model. Now since the Nexus line has grown so much does it still make sense? Maybe not, but they've invested in that business-model up until now. Turning back would waste all of that effort. Plus, they might even be under contract with those partnership-app developers. For instance, maybe in the contract with the NFL, in order for that exclusivity contract to remain, Verizon must only activate Android phones that have their app installed as a system app. That might be an extreme case and unlikely, but I'm just saying there's probably more behind the scenes that is preventing them from opening their doors to Nexus users.
[Nexus 5 General] Crooke356:
Makes sense man. Their VZW apps have content that costs money so Yea, I'm sure they want to keep that. I don't want to keep repeating myself but I don't think that if they sold the nexus, many people would buy it, on VZW. Most don't understand that they are buying the $100-$200 device subsidized and so when they see one for $350, they say no way. When i say it'll help get Android customers, I mean that those who pay attention like we do will be more apt to recommend VZW. A lot of people come to me for advice and take it. I'm no expert just the dork with a lot of Android devices. It'll also make them look better and I just don't see selling one phone on Google play that runs off VZW networks being in any way negative for VZW.

But.. I think your argument is a good one. And when the Nexus 5 is released and it's not on VZW (despite my essays, you guys are convincing me otherwise), we'll know for sure and I think that will continue to be there business model unless their Android sales drop drastically.. Which I think could happen. T-Mobile is going to continue to grow and take money from VZW.
[Nexus 5 General] ohwut:
We're such a vocal minority VZW is NEVER ever going to care. We're talking about a carrier with 100 million subscribers. Probably only a maximum of 100-200k of which even care about root and roms. And another majority of which don't care about Nexus devices. Considering the most popular VZW device for CM is the Galaxy S3 with only ~60k installs the rest of the ROM scene is minuscule.

Then consider they added 900,000+ subscribers last quarter. They could lose every single person on their network who roots/roms and I'd bet they'd still have significant growth.

We don't matter plain and simple, if you want to be important find a carrier who cares Verizon never will.
[Nexus 5 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
All you wrote is right, I just wanted to add 1 more thing in this part. A major key is also since they are a CDMA carried they have control over what devices you are FORCED to use. You can't just get a phone pop a sim in and go. You have to get a hold of VZW and they have to ALLOW you to use a phone YOU payed for. Retaining the CDMA part insures that you can't just leave them for another carrier. For them they want CONTROL over you in every way they can.

IMO I think that even when VZ moves over to VOLTE and starts converting old CDMA towers they will keep a few JUST so they can retain that policy and forbid you from getting phones not VZ Branded.
[Nexus 5 General] equake:
This is only partially true since Sprint is also a CDMA carrier but does not have that many restrictions.

VZ wants total control of everything on their network that is why the Nexus 7 LTE is not officially supported but it will activate on current active SIM but not on a clean SIM.
[Nexus 5 General] player911:
Work buys and pays for my Verizon service. I'm due for an upgrade from my Galaxy Nexus. I'm going to hold out as long as I can. The G2 is purdy but freaks me out not having a Nexus device.

Maybe I can hold out till the Galaxy S5
[Nexus 5 General] sadboyzz:
That's not quite true for LTE phones though. All Verizon LTE phones come SIM unlocked already (probably some law forcing them to cause I can't imagine VZW doing this willingly). So if the Nexus 5 supports Vzw's CDMA band then I think it's quite likely that you can just pop in an active Vzw SIM and start cruising. But alas, Verizon's band is conspicuously missing from the Nexus 5 FCC filings so we're out of luck on that. I wonder if Verizon has anything to do with the Nexus 5 not supporting their CDMA band...
[Nexus 5 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Partially true. Yes you can pop the LTE Sim in and use LTE but you can't use CDMA radio without vz saying so. That is how CDMA works. You have to have the ESN allowed by vz to join the network.
[Nexus 5 General] marc.ientilucci:
EDIT:

do you think if we started a petition and got all the major blogs/xda to feature it - it would actually change anything?

https://www.change.org/start-a-petition
[Nexus 5 General] zandander:
Doubtful. But worth a shot anyways!
[Nexus 5 General] marc.ientilucci:
i just hate the idea of loosing my unlimited data and paying $2397623 fro AT&T... i mean theres Sprint but... well they have been working on LTE for ever... :( and T-Mo sux in my area

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
Have you seen the latest Verizon numbers reported for their last quarter. I don't think they care about anything right now. People are just throwing their money at them no matter how much Verizon is charging them or allowing or not allowing them to do what they want with their phones on their networks.

Verizon is the new Apple. They will tell you what devices are good for you and what you can and cannot do with your device on their network.

Verizon does not feel like it's users are smart enough to handle a device with unlimited freedom. Good thing for freedom, I left them : )
[Nexus 5 General] zandander:
Better off than me!! My only other option where I live is alltel.. Isn't sprint, t-mobile, or att coverage for about 100 miles in every direction.
[Nexus 5 General] phositadc:
Just get the ATT gophone $60/mo plan. As far as I've heard it works exactly the same as ATT post paid including speeds and coverage.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
Aio Wireless....Contract free and uses AT&T network.

$55 includes tax and fee's - Unlimited talk and text and 2GB of high speed data (capped at 8mbs on LTE and 4mbs on HSPA). Fast enough to do anything you need to. After your 2GBs, throttled to 256kbs till new month.

$70 includes tax and fee's - Unlimited talk and text and 7GB of high speed data (capped at 8mbs on LTE and 4mbs on HSPA). Fast enough to do anything you need to. After your 7GBs, throttled to 256kbs till new month.

Could not be happier with the service. Working better from me then Verizon even.
[Nexus 5 General] Johmama:
Going to have to agree with this. I've had the 7gb plan for a month now (actually, today is my renew day) and I couldn't be happier. They seem to actually want your service. Right after I activated I got a voicemail from them with the companies' president thanking me for using their service and promising to keep me satisfied, and giving me a number to call if I'm not satisfied. It was a pre-recorded message and I'm sure they send it to all new activations, but still. It was a tiny gesture that showed they wanted my service. And the service is nothing to complain about. Speeds are good. Since I have 7gb, I usually tether my Nexus 7 flo and have two mobile devices, and they haven't said anything.
[Nexus 5 General] Div033:
Reading this thread makes me wish my family had gone with AT&T from the start. I would've been grandfathered into unlimited with them, and could choose any device I would want to use... even the Asus Padfone! The padfone for god sake.

But no, here I am with unlimited Verizon data with a paltry portfolio of phones. The second they take away unlimited data I am leaving.

Blahhh I really wanted a Nexus 5 too. Damnation.
[Nexus 5 General] DertyDOH:
I'd love a Nexus 5 more than anything. I loved the Galaxy Nexus but sucks I can't get any other nexus on VZW. I have the Moto X because thats as close as I can get. AT&T has spotty coverage around here so I'd be losing a lot in terms of service
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
I had a GNEX on Verizon. It had some of the worst battery I have ever seen on a phone and the radio blew even more. And the camera on that phone, well lets not even bring up how bad that was.

I almost felt like Samsung purposely built one of the worst Nexus devices so people would be more inclined to buy their S3.
[Nexus 5 General] GreenMunky:
All the nay saying is just speculation until the official announcement is made. I'm still holding onto the thinnest thread of hope. If it doesn't come to Verizon I'll just get a 32GB Moto X on November 11.
[Nexus 5 General] tpayne2345:
I too am in the grandfather boat.. as soon as I lose unlimited data I'm going to AT&T, same coverage in my area
[Nexus 5 General] namurt:
For those of you considering AIO wireless, I would hold off on a new subscription and opt for go phone instead.

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story...sful/2013-10-18?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss
[Nexus 5 General] GlassForest:
Not sure why Verizon peeps wouldn't just get a G2 and hope some AOSP stuff will get ported over by the dev community since it's such a similar device. Getting a Moto X if VZW doesn't get the N5 just puts you in line to wait for Motorola to ever issue updates, which I'd never trust again after owning the Bionic. I realize they have a closer relationship with Google these days but the Moto X has active display, voice control, other features etc that'll need to be layered on top of 4.4 and fully working before they'll put it out, whereas the G2 is so similar to the N5.

G2 is like an N5 with a better camera and bigger battery, just needs better ROMs to replace the stock nonsense. I know I'm simply waiting for the official N5 announcement just to make sure there isn't a single ray of hope for VZW and then I'll be ordering the G2, unless I do decide to leave Verizon since my contract ends in Feb anyway, but still have true unlimited data with them.
[Nexus 5 General] Div033:
Well there's still the issue of the volume/power buttons being placed awkwardly on the back. LG made some software features like knock on to help with certain situations like when the phone is resting on its back. I'd rather have side buttons than a super thin bezel.

Don't get me wrong though. I absolutely hate LG's overlay. So gaudy and laggerific!
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
No reason to hold off. There is no contract so you are not tied to anything. So might as well enjoy it and save a few bucks while you can.
[Nexus 5 General] Link200:
I wish the N5 would come to VZW but I won't hold my breath.

If I didn't have unlimited data I would be long gone at this point. Lack of proper support for phones and SLOW LTE speeds (most cities are slower than HSPA+).

Unfortunately their coverage is great. I travel for a living and hotel internet is usually extremely slow so what I do get from my 4G is enough for at least standard def video at a minimum.
[Nexus 5 General] seanerixon:
People who talk smack on Verizon, simply cannot afford a superior network. I too, hope the N5 comes to Verizon.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
You got us. Your the richest dude here.

Since lots of us can't afford Verizon we are stuck with cheap Nexus devices on our pre-paid plans. Yup, sucks for us.

They say money can buy anything. Well it can't buy you a Nexus device on Verizon.
[Nexus 5 General] seanerixon:
I made that comment because I saw this a few post in:

And I made my comment, because in general, it's true. I sell cellphones every day. And I'm sad to say, you can generally predict what carrier the customer has just by looking at them. I know, it sounds terrible. Personally, I'd be on T-Mobile if I didn't get a discount with Verizon unlimited talk/text 6GB data for $50/month. I'm not priding myself on wealth, sorry if I gave off that vibe. I'm far from it.
[Nexus 5 General] wideasleep1:
Gotta rise outtaya did I? LOL

Since we're now stereotyping bigots...I'll advance that I see the exact opposite here in esseff...professionals here tend towards ATT (iPhone) and TMo (android) reign supreme while Sprint has a few hangers-on due to what was cheap data (pre LTE on ATT/TMO) mainly by sysadmin types. VZW here is mainly used high school kids. (Recall the target market for DROID) . And here you can tell a lot just by the phone number prefix who has what service. Nearly everyone and their granny has smart phones here and by and large ATT enjoys continued sub's owing to iPhone users...but the tide is changing...Legere is shaking things up.
[Nexus 5 General] seanerixon:
Sorta the same, usually most of the younger adults have AT&T thinking it's cheaper than Verizon, but in reality is like the same price. Sprint are for the people who are too cool for pre-paids but want the cheapest experience possible(some even deny that Sprint is a terrible service). We no longer deal with T-Mobile, but when we did, it was the same as Sprint, but as well as people wanting GSM phones without AT&T prices(mostly unlocked phone users). Verizon is generally the people who lived in the "rich towns" in our area. Kids who stayed on their family plans even after high school and whatnot.
[Nexus 5 General] wideasleep1:
Sprint is a strange story...I have an old friend who's a contract worker in inter/intranet security and I was harassing him about his Evo on Sprint. He said he knows they're not cheap nor fast and they generally suck..but since it's network was built around the train track routes across america he knows he'll have vox and data in podunkville so long as a train runs through it. I gave him props for that since he's taken short term gigs in places I couldn't even bear to enter. :)
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
I was on Verizon. I wanted a Nexus. I left. End of my story. Lol