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[Nexus 5 General] Johmama:
I think Google is handling the whole Verizon situation perfectly. They release the phone (tablet, in the case of deb) with radios fully-compatible with Verizon's network, and just sit back. Meanwhile, Verizon looks horrible because they won't "certify" the device and there's no-one else to point the finger at. Can't point at a hardware company for not making the device with the proper radios. Can't point at the FCC for rejecting the proposed radios in the device. It's 100% on them, and everyone knows it. I find it great, and hope the Nexus 5 has the compatible hardware for Verizon's network.

Google has been bitter about how Verizon handled the GNex and this is kind of a way to get back at them. They're basically saying "Never again, Verizon, will you have any say in our hardware. Oh by the way, we're coming out with this new device that can use your network. It'd be a shame if you looked bad by not allowing it on your network." And they have looked bad. Really bad. I read everywhere that people are upset at Verizon for not certifying their deb. In fact, I kind of hope Google takes this a step further and when they have the announcement or whatever for the Nexus 5, they word the compatible networks just right. Something like "Compatible with network frequencies used by U.S. carriers AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon Wireless." Something sort of like that; something that shows the hardware is there, the phone is compatible with the radio frequencies, and the carriers are responsible for any rejections on the network.
[Nexus 5 General] GlassForest:
Silly question here. I'm really not all that interested in whether the N5 comes to Verizon (rather, I fully understand that it isn't based on the specs we're seeing), I'm probably just going to get a G2 and be happy with that. But I'm just sitting here kicking around this idea for lack of anything better to do at the moment.

I was looking into making free calls over google voice + grooveIP/talkatone etc. I realize this is nothing new, but something I've never tried, so I had to look into it.

Combining this with the fact that Verizon is starting to roll out support for band 4 in some markets as reported earlier this week....

So what appears to be the US version of the Nexus 5 does support band 4, Verizon is starting to support band 4, and in this thread I saw people pointing out "yeah, but with no CDMA radio you'd have no voice capabilities". Which I why I was looking into how apps like grooveIP and talkatone work...

Can you see where I'm going with this?

Say the Nexus 5 comes out with no direct Verizon support, but you already live in an area where Verizon's AWS LTE band 4 is now working. Could you throw in an LTE SIM card already activated on Verizon, in the same way that people were doing it to make the new Nexus 7 work on the VZW network (couldn't register a new SIM that came with the N7 because there is no CDMA radio and the device ID numbers aren't recognized by Verizon, but taking a SIM from a VZW phone you already have would let it connect), data would be working through band 4, do your texting through Google Voice, and then be able to make voice calls through third party over-the-top apps.

Looked at the app info for Talkatone and it says free calls and texts over WiFi OR 3G/4G/LTE. So you could have a Nexus 5 on Verizon if you did everything through band 4?? (obviously only feasible for people with unlimited data still)

Reminiscent of how the Nexus 4 was able to get unofficial LTE on band 4 for a while until 4.2.2 disabled it, and Verizon wasn't using band 4 back then but people were connecting through other carriers who did. But the Nexus 5 is officially supporting band 4 so they won't be turning it off. And Verizon is rolling out band 4. And after reading how many people successfully got their Nexus 7 working with a SIM initialized in a different Verizon-approved device, I'm starting to think this would work? Buy a Nexus 5, put in a SIM card from some other 4G phone....
[Nexus 5 General] galfert:
That is why generally AT&T and Verizon are better choices for indoor coverage. They have lower frequencies for both LTE and voice.
[Nexus 5 General] htowngator:
From experience (I have both work ATT and personal VZW), the LTE on Verizon seems to be much stronger indoors in most places. ATT sometimes can barely get a signal indoors in strong LTE areas.
[Nexus 5 General] player911:
Agreed 100%. Let Verizon look like the bad guys. Google knows the game with the N7 LTE. Google loves to fluff up companies not wanting to play nice. If the N5 comes out with official or even unofficial Verizon bands, I'd be thrilled.

My Galaxy Nexus is aging and could use a new toy.
[Nexus 5 General] -Grift-:
Well Singapore supports Bands 3(1800 MHz) and 7(2600MHz) any idea which variant would support these bands?
[Nexus 5 General] EdZ:
As it says in the first post, The D821 supports LTE bands 3 and 7.
[Nexus 5 General] GlassForest:
Well, from what I can tell, it does seem like it definitely is coming with a band *somewhat* supported by Verizon at this point. Band 4 is available on the N5 and a few larger urban markets just started getting band 4 rolled out from Verizon. Everyone was saying absolutely no N5 on Verizon, no-way no-how, but that was a few weeks ago when Verizon was still strictly using band 13, for which the Nexus 5 does not support. But now we have limited band 4 from Verizon in certain areas.

I'm not at all suggesting that the Nexus 5 will ever officially be on Verizon. I was simply asking if Verizon people might be able to buy it, and if you live in a market where band 4 is up and running, basically do the same trick that Nexus 7 people have been by using a SIM card that you already have activated. The sacrifice you'd have to make is that you'd have to be willing to use Google Voice and an extra 3rd party app that can possibly send your voice calls over LTE, because without a CDMA radio you'd have no voice calling capability. And voice calls over your data connection might have horrible quality - I've never tried it.

The only signal you'd be pulling down from Verizon is LTE data from band 4. No slower data tiers to fall back on if you leave an LTE area, no evdo, no CDMA for voice. Not likely that many people would want a phone that limited.

And unlike how Verizon had to deal with the Nexus 7 users by saying they would put it through their certification process, the N5 will never get certified without a CDMA radio.

So the only idea I was kicking around is that some VZW customers very desperate to use the N5 could possibly try getting on band 4 with an old sim card. It will never completely parallel the situation with the N7 tablet. Verizon claims they are going to go ahead and certify that for official use. The N5 will never work on Verizon unless an official CDMA version comes out, which it won't. They're not going to certify something with no CDMA radio, the average verizon customer isn't gonna know how to use google voice to make calls etc.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
I believe Google Voice still requires an active cell connection to make calls. It does not use LTE for this. I am not sure there are any 3rd party apps that will make calls over LTE. WiFi yes but not LTE.

Someone correct me if I am wrong here.
[Nexus 5 General] panchuckles:
Claro Chile use 2600 (band 7), Im thinking of buying the D821, rigth?
[Nexus 5 General] LoRd_LyKoS:
So...will there be two models: D820 (US) and D821 (international) or it will be only a single model?

Because there are all rumours and I do not know...
[Nexus 5 General] koolbrader:
Hi, I'm from Malaysia and I plan on having a friend buy a N5 for me on the US Google Play Store and ship it to me as soon as it launches. Based on what you said, I need to get the D821 model right? Is that the one that would be sold in the US Google Play Store? If not, how can I get a hold of it?
[Nexus 5 General] EdZ:
D820: US Market. D821: pretty much everywhere else.
[Nexus 5 General] zivan56:
Looks like Canada will be screwed when it comes to LTE band 7 (2600 FDD), which is now starting to be present in all major urban centres.

They can only release the US version since the majority of LTE coverage is LTE Band 4 (AWS) and it will slowly move to the 700 MHz band after the spectrum auction in January.
[Nexus 5 General] koolbrader:
Thanks for the answer. Is there any way for me to get the International version in the US?
[Nexus 5 General] LoRd_LyKoS:
That is interesting to know...!
[Nexus 5 General] player911:
I hoping the tuner radio could be adjusted for certain unsupported carriers.
[Nexus 5 General] sidhaarthm:
+1 on your post mate! I did the same and I'm glad the N5 will work on Three UK's 4G service when it is launched later this year.. Can't get unlimited (including tethering) data on any other UK network. Been enjoying Three's DC-HSPA service on my N4 last few months. Where I live, data rates peak between 8-16Mbps. Not bad! :cyclops:
[Nexus 5 General] htowngator:
Verizon peeps... Stop wondering as it won't happen. You need a cdma radio for calls unless they somehow allow VoLTE which I doubt.
[Nexus 5 General] CptTroller:
Yes! The both model can support LTE Bands(1, 3, 5) of Smart Communication in Philippines.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 5 General] EdZ:
Thanks! Top-post updated.
[Nexus 5 General] jcsww:
Although I am not sure exactly what bands are supported by which Nexus 5 model, the LTE bands for Canadian carriers are as follows.

National Carriers

Bell: 4 (7 limited areas)

Telus: 4

Rogers: 4 (1, 7, and 17 being very limited areas)

Regional Carriers

EastLink: 4

SaskTel: 4

MTS: 4

Edit: Rogers also lists 1 and 17 on their site for specific models supporting that frequency in the limited areas that have them. Looks like the D820 is more than likely going to be the model for Canada.
[Nexus 5 General] CptTroller:
Don't forget about Globe Telecom in Philippines (Band 3) plus, Verizon armed themselves (Band 4) but limited.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 5 General] Red5:
Dosent AT&T also have band 12 for LTE now? Dosent look like the N5 supports band 12.
[Nexus 5 General] jcsww:
It's quite possible. The easiest way I found to figure out Rogers was to look at their phones in comparison to what the link in the second post of this thread has. The Optimus G supports Band 700 / 2600 MHz where the G2 supports 2100 / 2600 MHz and the Galaxy S III has 1700 / 2100 MHz listed for LTE. The only good thing about such a mix of LTE bands means more phones could potentially work with the service.
[Nexus 5 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks

au (KDDI)- 1, 11, 18, 28

SoftBank- 1, 8, 9, 11, 28, 41, 42

NTT (DoCoMo)- 1, 3 (Limited areas), 19, 21, 28

For Japan the D821 will most likely be the model sold there.

The D820 will work on SoftBank for B41 though.

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I used this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths and the FCC leak to compile a compatability list for US and Canadian users that may travel out of the country. What networks and countries the D820 can use and work on.

Included is the US carrier.

2- US Carrier: C-Spire

Can be used in these countries

Dominican Republic (Tricom), Paraguay (Personal)

4- US Carrier: at&t, T-Mobile, BendBroadband, Big River Broadband, C-Spire, Leap and Verizon

Canadian Carrier: Bell, Eastlink, MTS, Rogers, Telus and SaskTel

Can be used in these countries:

, Argentina (Movistar), Mexico (Telcel), Paraguay (Copaco), Peru (Movistar), Uraguay (Ancel)

5- US Carrier:Not used in the US, or anywhere for that matter except, South Korea (LG+ and SK Telecom)

17- US Carrier:US Only (at&t)

25- US Carrier:US Only (Sprint)

26- No carriers at all.. but, B18 (Japan [au (KDDI)]) and B19 (Japan [NTT DoCoMo]) are migrating here.

41- US Carrier:Sprint

can be used in these countries

Japan (SoftBank) {Hmmm, interesting}
[Nexus 5 General] ericdabbs:
It will have a CDMA radio in it because Sprint will be supported. The issue for Verizon is not the lack of CDMA radio but rather the LTE band 13 (750 MHz). Yes Verizon is starting to deploy LTE on AWS spectrum (Band 4) which is supported by the Nexus 5 but I know Verizon will not just support a Nexus 5 if that is the only LTE band supported especially since that is only deployed in only a few select markets at this time.

Verizon is only deploying 5,000 AWS LTE sites by end of 2013 and adding more in 2014 and currently is only in a few select markets. This may seem like a lot but Verizon has about 45,000 cell towers nationwide so when you put it that way it is not much at all especially if their commercials say that they are the king of LTE service.
[Nexus 5 General] Jocelyn:
That's all correct except Sprint can use 26 ( along with 25 & 41). They already sell hotspots that use all three.
[Nexus 5 General] zivan56:
Band 17 is 700 MHz, which hasn't been allocated to any carriers yet in Canada. If the radio in the N5 supports carrier aggregation, this lack of support could limit speeds compared to other phones that support it.

Looking at the LG G2, Telus for example, it lists:

LTE: 700MHz (Band 17) / 850MHz (Band 5) / 1900MHz (Band 2) / 2100MHz (Band 1) / AWS (Band 4) / 2600MHz (Band 7)

So it has all the required Canadian bands. Perhaps it can be cross flashed with the N5 if it is very similar internally.
[Nexus 5 General] htowngator:
Incorrect cdma bands
[Nexus 5 General] Cynagen:
There are third party over-the-top (OTT) applications as mentioned earlier in the thread like GrooveIP and Talkatone that use GVoice over Jabber's 'Jingle' protocol (Google Talk/Hangouts voice system). You can roll your own VoLTE doing this, but depending on the signal conditions, you're going to have a bad time, VoIP regularly needs under 100ms, and little to no jitter. I work VoIP support and we don't recommend any type of wireless connection for VoIP services ever. There are rare instances where things work properly, but they never last long until something changes and it's now broken.

Incorrect CDMA bands? Really? I'm still looking for which channels they use, but the bands coincide with one another, which is exactly what I expected.
[Nexus 5 General] htowngator:
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/06/lg-nexus-5-round-up-a-beautiful-render-plus-everything-we-know/

Wishful thinking

It might work, likely won't. Verizon has to authorize it on cdma which is unlikely.
[Nexus 5 General] Cynagen:
I'm on T-Mobile so I'm set, I just feel bad for my friends on (aka who can afford) Verizon, they got the shaft with the N4, the N7, and now they're about to get it again with the N5.
[Nexus 5 General] ericdabbs:
Really...because I am looking at the FCC documents right now and I see CDMA BC 0 (850 MHz), BC 1 (1900 MHz) and BC 10 (Sprint 800 MHz) support. I don't know what you are basing your facts but I suggest you take a look at the FCC docs below at the "SAR Report Rev B" document on page 18 and the "HAC report" on page 8 for confirmation that CDMA BC 0,1, and 10 are supported. Verizon uses CDMA BC 0 and 1 for voice. Otherwise you have no basis for your comment.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...mFrame=N&application_id=395625&fcc_id=ZNFD820
[Nexus 5 General] htowngator:
Read above

Just because it has the frequency band doesn't mean it uses the same ones inside that. Basically vzw would have to have cdma login on specific frequencies and also allow that device to provision. Both are highly unlikely and I have vzw so I'm not holding my breath.
[Nexus 5 General] ericdabbs:
So now you are just twisting the words and trying to weasel out of your statement. Saying the CDMA bands are "incorrect" and now saying its up to Verizon are completely different things. Now Verizon is obviously not going to provision the Nexus 5 on the CDMA side since it knows the LTE side is not going to be supported. Since the FCC docs show that LTE BC 13 (750 MHz) that Verizon uses is NOT supported they are not going to support the Nexus 5.

But still you are technically wrong in that the CDMA bands to support Verizon CDMA voice is not present in the phone because Sprint and Verizon both uses BC 1 for CDMA voice. And please if a band class is supported in the phone, it is able to use any frequency in that range as long as it is licensed to do so. The reason why Verizon will not support the Nexus 5 is the lack of LTE band support and NOT on the CDMA side.
[Nexus 5 General] csantiviago:
Brazil, B7 2600mhz.
[Nexus 5 General] htowngator:
Wrong

No cdma access, no calling or provisioning on phone side. In other words, an expensive wifi device.
[Nexus 5 General] fifasarajevo:
So do these bands mean the most of ATTs 4g sepctrum will be useful now because of the 17 band being added, specifically for straight talk.
[Nexus 5 General] VdubTDI:
Doesn't it have native hardware support for the CDMA bands that Verizon operates on? Wouldn't that give it CDMA voice? Couldn't you just tell Verizon you just put your LTE sim into a G2?
[Nexus 5 General] doug0365:
So does the Nexus 5 fully support AT&T bands because on the google play store carrier details it list only T-Mobile and Sprint.

Just want to make sure Its fully supported for full functionality
[Nexus 5 General] lolcopter:
yes it does. we've known about this for weeks.
[Nexus 5 General] dragonboydbboy:
this is what I am wondering about. why can't I just take my sim card from my old phone, and put it in the Nexus 5? it might not have 4G support, but wouldn't it work on CDMA for call (s) and possibly 3G?
[Nexus 5 General] sibaroochi:
LG Nexus 5 No Contract Options

According to the CNET article that came out an hour ago, it supports all the major carriers except Verizon.

Check out http://bit.ly/tmobile_nexus5_comparison . It gives you good no-contract options for the Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] Frausbite77:
Do you currently use this company? I have never heard of it...
[Nexus 5 General] thesebastian:
LTE: Bands: 1/2/4/5/17/19/25/26/41 (USA Play Store)

LTE: Bands: 1/3/5/7/8/20 (Europe Play Store).

Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 5 General] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
Because the SIM card is only for LTE. CDMA access requires Verizon to actually ACTIVATE your device based on ESN. They will not do this for your Nexus 5.

And for those arguing that Sprint and Verizon use different CDMA bands, get your heads checked. They've had roaming agreements for phones for a long time and it's been known that Sprint phones will work on Verizon phones since forever. It's just that neither carrier will actually let you bring the other's phones onto their network. So your HTC Evo? Yeah it will work on Verizon. It's just not going to happen.

Finally, it's very sad we can't get worldwide roaming with the US model and vice versa. I guess even the iPhone isn't there, although the new iPads have 14 freaking bands!!!!! One day perhaps, one day...
[Nexus 5 General] pdaod:
So while it probably can not be activated on Verizon, it will be able to roam with voice on Verizon from Sprint?
[Nexus 5 General] tctovsli:
US Nexus 5 in Norway

So I got a bit eager yesterday, and ordered the US-version of Nexus 5. Any clue if it will work at all in Norway? Afaik we use LTE band 3 and 7 here.

I guess LTE will be the only issue?
[Nexus 5 General] thesebastian:
Afaik 3G and 2G is fully supported. And LTE is the only issue.

Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 5 General] dragonboydbboy:
I am wondering if anybody has any experience with carrier flashing, as detailed in the link below, and thinks that it would work to flash nexus 5 to Verizon? Any thoughts?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2265384
[Nexus 5 General] chiensibut:
so i have a question, if im using nexus 5 on tmobile and in the area that haven't got the LTE tower, do i get the fall back 4g speed like tmobile iphone5/5s or it is going to be on EDGE?
[Nexus 5 General] eep2378:
Along with LTE, the N5 has hspa bands as well. So it will pick up whatever the fastest speeds your carrier will allow. In short, if you're in a non-LTE area it'll pick up the next fastest speed/band. It WILL NOT be edge, unless you live in an extremely rural area.
[Nexus 5 General] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
This is dependent on Sprint and not the phone. The best way to check is with your existing Sprint phone. Im not 100% sure but I remember a lot of roaming agreements being on place for rural areas but they're less likely to happen in urban areas.
[Nexus 5 General] htowngator:
Guys seriously give up on vzw
[Nexus 5 General] LNJ:
Too bad the NA one doesn't support Band 7. On the bright side, Rogers Band 4 is stronger in my house than Band 7...
[Nexus 5 General] aohus:
you won't even be able to make phone calls...
[Nexus 5 General] Paddington:
Thank you. I wish I could set an auto reply that said "Shut up, idiot!" to every post asking about Verizon support. It is so annoying. The Nexus 5 does not work on Verizon; Verizon will not work with the Nexus 5. This information is in every thread in this forum, on every Nexus 5 sales page, and in every Nexus 5 review. If you want the Nexus 5, switch carriers. If you want to pay twice as much as the other carriers for the best service with locked phones, stay on Verizon. It might be a difficult choice, but those are the only two options, and you look like an idiot when you ask if Nexus 5 works on Verizon.
[Nexus 5 General] cgulliver:
How will LTE be activated by ATT for those of us without the feature on our SIM? I will be surprised if it just works without some sort of painful phone campaign.
[Nexus 5 General] LordLugard:
Please stop spreading misinformation. The U.S version (which is unlocked BTW) will work in Norway (and Europe in general) for GSM voice calls (GSM 900/1800) and WCDMA 3G on bands 1/2/4/5/6/8.

Only issue will be LTE. U.S version does LTE on bands 1/2/4/5/17/19/25/26/41. Europe (and rest of the world) LTE are on bands 1/3/5/7/8/20.

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You'll be fine on voice calls and 3G. Only issue will be LTE.
[Nexus 5 General] milan03:
AT&T is using Bands 2,4,5, and 17 actually.
[Nexus 5 General] aohus:
i didn't know that. thanks for clearing that up. i based my information from FCC documents but that didn't include all bands in the spec sheet.
[Nexus 5 General] LordLugard:
No problem. I didn't mean to seem or sound brash or rash.
[Nexus 5 General] eep2378:
Simply walk into an ATT store and tell them you need an LTE sim and make sure your data plan is provisioned for LTE.
[Nexus 5 General] jamallj:
so what model would i be getting if i buy from the US play store?.. D820 or D821?..
[Nexus 5 General] ritzxda:
D820
[Nexus 5 General] gontadu:
I guess that means to get a D821 it has to be from one of the European stores or India
[Nexus 5 General] ritzxda:
Or Australia.
[Nexus 5 General] obezianko:
Lte

Friends!

It is clear that there are two models. But then the moment of use of the chip of Qualcomm 800 transmitter RF360. On request of the company - this transmitter works on all frequencies LTE. Google is positioning itself nexus as a device for travelers informing advertising that LTE will work in any country.
[Nexus 5 General] baiju2012:
Is any of the new nexus 5 owners thinking of using $30 T-Mobile prepaid plan? If yes, please post your nexus 5 experience with LTE on this plan.

Nexus IV
[Nexus 5 General] wideasleep1:
What specifically are you looking for?
[Nexus 5 General] baiju2012:
As you may know, there are only 100 call minutes on the $30 T-Mobile plan. Therefore, sometimes I have to resort to other VOIP programs. If the LTE performance is great on Nexus 5 and VOIP programs, like Skype, Vonage and other GV based solutions, perform well, I will have more solid reason to make Nexus 5 my next phone. As is, nexus 5 is an AMAZING phone. I am coming from Nexus 4, but not into moding the device to get LTE. The HSPA Performance on Nexus 4 keeps the VOIP option as a crude backup. I like stock, and do not like the idea of spending hours in backing up/restoring data to phone after moding. Any test in that regard would be useful information. Thanks for asking.

Nexus IV