yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Absolon:
It's hard to write a bit of irony, but still, IF we where to change the rules and go the other direction and accuse Samsung of cooperation with NSA, how do you think people would react? I doubt that any nice web pages with happy people and rainbows can fix that.

So instead of whining about how unfair the new Know is, let's play their game but reverse it, because we can.

We are many that are frequent in not only this little world but in other forums and I'm not spreading a lie as long as I present a theory.

Tracking is one thing, invading your privacy is a whole another one. You have to divide that.

If people knew that their most safe place, their home, is invaded by being monitored I think they cross a line few would accept.

It's like having bugs in your home. I doubt that few are willingly allowing that.

Why have the VPN-market exploded? Why do we have Ghostery, Adblock etc? Install Collusion on your browser and see how you are tracked.

People are fed up with it. You are limiting the privacy in the name of terrorist-tracking. Worked well in Boston, did it?

I don't know where you are located but at least people in Sweden would think twice before buying a phone that has the ability to invade your privacy in such a brutal way.

Don't you feel the chills when you think that the thing lying next too you might be right now capturing whatever it can with the camera and listening in on the conversation or whatever you might do with your partner? I do.

/Abs
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] den10:
I'm not getting a reply anywhere for this, so let me try on here.

First things first, I have the i9506 (4G+) and running stock 4.2.2 TW. I have not done a single thing to this.

I want to root it, but I am really worried about the knox issue after reading the main post. So I went into the download/odin mode and it doesn't say anything about Knox/Knox warranty 0x0. Instead it has the usual product name, binary, status, write protection: enable and an additional one Qualcomm Secureboot: 0x1b.

Since it doesn't say anything about Knox warranty, is it safe to get rooted and install cwm?? I intend to do this via http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2529064 .
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jadajada:
I tripped the flag yesterday. Like you I don't care about warranty, but in my country I don't think it matters, since rooting/custom roms/jailbreaking is legal and the manufacturer has to prove that the rooting/rom is what caused damage to the phone.

However, I am now unable to flash any roms through Odin. They all fail. I know that I can't downgrade, but I cannot install the latest 4.3 either. I can flash stock kernel, stock recovery, clockworkmod and philz recovery, but no stock rom at all. All attempts to flash a stock rom fails.

That bothers me!

I am now running Omega V16 which flashes fine through Philz, but if I would like to reset it to stock, it can't be done at the moment.

I have seen many saying that there are no other implications beside warranty and seeing those two lines at boot, but my experience is different :(

I have asked in several other threads, but no one seems to know why I can't flash stock roms anymore. But I simply can't.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Absolon:
Taking this from another thread I wrote in the dev section.

This is what I got from Samsung when I called them and pressed the poor guy real hard. He had to ask his boss what to answer me twice :P

I asked them about why the consumers had to use the Knox and how to pass it as a developer.

He could not answer it.

I asked if I trip the flag, why does it forbid me to sideload my own developed applications?

He could not answer it.

I asked how to remove it since as a consumer I had no use for it and this is something that I have not signed up for.

He said that I could send in my phone and have it reflashed to a lower version of the firmware.

I asked for specifications about it and said that knew it's a SE-linux containter (because it is).

That he could confirm.

I asked him what for specifications for the boot loader since it hinders me in my work.

He said that the only thing he could provide was a downgraded one (see above)

I said that I don't want a downgraded one since all use 4.3 and that is the future.

He could not provide that.

I said that maybe this is a deal that Samsung has done with NSA to provide them with information since I don't know what the phone sends out since I'm locked out of the kernel.

He said that he understood that he would feel the same sentiment(!!!)

I asked him if consider us who are developing on a low lever as valuable people the brings the phone forward.

He agreed.

I told him that I don't consider tripping the Know-flag to invalidate my warranty since it could be tripped in Kies (as reported here).

He agreed on that and told me that I could then contact the service for a reflash.

I told him that the option left then would be to crack the boot-loader as with the rooting.

He said yes.

Note that this is in Sweden. But the info in any case is interesting since he very well knew about this.

So the info I got. Yes. It's a Se-linux container and it is reflashable. Since it's reflashable we now know that it's not an e-Fuse and can leave that question. Since it's software it's crackable.

I will call them again, of course, since I consider that it's totally useless for private use and I will press them further. I just need more ammunition. Was fun that he agreed about the NSA thing. :P

Hope someone will have use of this info. At least in Sweden Samsung didn't consider the Knox-tripping as a voiding of warranty. I doubt that they even care about the "Triangle"-counter as well. But since it seems that it's so easy to trip the flag...

And damn it. Said that I would never buy Samsung again and here I am. With a new I9506 and a Note 3 (HTC One is getting old and the One Max was just a Note 3 clone but without claws since it didn't have . I wonder why HTC makes those mistakes over and over again?). :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tanis64:
[MENTION=529595]jadajada[/MENTION]: Using the original USB Cable?

Send from the outback with my GT-I9505
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MatanSar:
I got the i9505 few days ago and rooted it now.

I'm at 4.2.2, not related to any carrier (I live in Israel)

(Connecting to Kies showing me a msg that the phone is not supported)

Considering my phone is private (non-enterprise) and I do not care about the warranty.

Should i be concerned in any way about the KNOX counter flagged to x1 ?

I'm very confused about which ROMS i can and can't flash.

Only thing i understand is, when 4.4 releases, if I would want to flash it I would have to flash 4.3 first because of massive changes to the FW.

Can someone shed some light please ?

Thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leyton01:
This may have been answered in the 70 pages before this post but:

I have a i9505 on 4.2.2 on what I think is a pre-knox version of the original software -

I9505XXAMD8

I have rooted it and want to eventually upgrade to either 4.3 or maybe even 4.4 from the google edition.

Is it true that If I avoid ROMs that have knox enabled I should not trip the efuse (or whatever it is) and can maintain my warranty?*

If I was to go to a 4.4 google edition ROM I could avoid this whole nasty knox mess?

*(if I was to flash back to original firmware before sending in for warranty)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jadajada:
Yes. But I have found a solution. Do not know what was going on, but this got it working again:

I managed to install Omega Rom V16 through Philz recovery. From there I rebooted into Philz again and did a total clean to install new rom.

I downloaded a newer Odin, 3.09.

I flashed the same firmware which failed yesterday, 4.3 NEE rom.

This time it worked! So something helped.

Thank you to everyone who chipped in. It seemed rather hopeless yesterday.

Edit:

Spoke a little too soon. The phone boots fine. Even the two lines (red and yellow) at boot are gone now. It looks completely stock. Flag is still 0x1 in Download mode, but I knew that.

But, WiFi does not work. The phone plays system sounds (I have seen those two errors often mention side by side). What can be done about that? Flashed newest 4.3 rom I found.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lennyz1988:
It isn't clear to me if you have Knox or don't have Knox. You can flash any custom rom and no you don't have to flash 4.3 first before you can upgrade.

If you don't have Knox then you can't trip the Knox . Just flash custom roms and you will be fine.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MatanSar:
My knox flagged to 0x1 after I rooted.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jadajada:
After going through lot of loops I have now been able to restore my firmware to stock. Look a few posts up.

But it does in fact impose other restrictions! I can no longer enable wifi. I get a Knox message that says that this feature has been blocked. I can see that Knox might serve some purpose as a business device, where companies do not allowed altered or compromised devices on their network.

But this is my private phone on my home network

WTF!?!?!

So the only way out is to root it, remove knox or install a custom rom? I am locked out from using stock roms for the time being, until someone cracks this malware?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tanis64:
Reflash the Firmware, or flashing the Modem again. This happens sometimes that the Modem wasn't flashed correctly after the first Odinflash.

If that didn't work reflash without Autoreboot checked in Odin. When the flash finished don't reboot, go to Download Mode again and reflash again now with Autoreboot checked.

When you go to Download Mode, go there from power off state, don't use a reboot to go to DL Mode.

Rebooting to DL Mode can cause such problems.

Regards

Send from the outback with my GT-I9505
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jadajada:
Holy crap! This actually worked! Thank you thank you :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] timberwolf60:
one and only one who rooted his S4 on stock EMK8 without tripping the knox counter: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=47728421.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Adnan73:
Explore Tom Kemp and Centrify
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Absolon:
Mailed Samsung today.

Very curious what response I will get.

If you read Swedish law you can argue that they changed so much that it can't no longer be considered as the same product that you bought.

Questions I asked

1) Does tripping Knox cripple my phone in more ways then just locking me out of Knox?

2) Is the "We can flash if you trip the flag"-statement that I got on Monday still valid? (e-fuse or no e-fuse)

3) Why did they include it in consumer electronics? (Other companies are opening up. Samsung is closing.)

4) Why didn't we get an opt-out? It's MY phone that I BOUGHT for MY money.

5) Since we are not the intended target why have they enforced that upon us?

6) Is this really a spy-program since I have no real access to my own phone that I can be sure?

7) Should we start to warn people in consumer-forums about that Samsung phones contain potential spyware?

Think that #7 will do the trick.

I ask for help here. Help put pressure on them. Let them sweat. Spyware is bad bad business if you want to have customers.

/Absie
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sergiu_07_07:
Is there a way to root the stock 4.3 jb rom without tripping the knox flag?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Absolon:
Yeah, as stated, I mailed Samsung about this and I think we should make a big damn hell out of this.

XDA is a nice place but this need to be vented in the other 30 different forums.

Right now I have 2 new phones and don't know what I should do with them. I want to reflash my i9506 but are not use the 05'roms work.

Waiting for some op to decide if we need a new subforum for it since it's the one they are pushing now and it has different specs?

But DUCKING Samsung. My personal phone! I think my Note 3 is big enough as a plug in a "place" of the CEO if they don't change this ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kamikaze.df:
in a samsung site they say that knox prevent from malwares and bla bla bla for user who work in organizations ...

ok, make a model for the mentioned public, specific model within so many other useless and leaves my personal without this crap ... simple.

I will not even get into wondering what exactly does this crap, and coincidentally did this after a cheat in the samsung software was discovered to improve performance benchmarks .... ok, want to hide the garbage under the rug.

but what about the old concept of ownership? the old notion that what I buy is mine, do what I want with it ???
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mystic324:
Hello,

I've just a little question. I've a i9505 with firmware xxubmga, i don't have the know flag. Now i want to flash a custom rom like omega or foxhound. Does the know flag will appear or not since they said it's know free ?

sorry if already asked but i didn't see a clear answer :/
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badskull:
no, you have old bootloader, you can flash custom roms like omega 16 without knox, you need cwm(philz touch) and then flash
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sid3winder:
Do i trip knox if i installed a custom recovery? I did so sometime in August/Sept when my phone was still 4.2.2.

I booted it in download mode but didnt see a 0X1 or any thing. (Partly cos im using a custom recovery)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pezlomd:
I already tripped the knox flag.. I just can't seem to figure out how to put a custom recovery on the phone.. I flash it through odin as I've done for ever and it won't let me boot into it. And if I boot into the os and go back ti recovery it's the stock Samsung one. I dc about knox or the warranty u just want a recovery to be able to flash roms.. anyone know how?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

Are you aware that you have your own DEDICATED FORUM ?

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tx12345:
Hi,

Just want to know is it possible to trip Knox if I've only flashed official ROMs through Odin?

---------- Post added at 01:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:20 PM ----------

Hi,

Just want to know is it possible to trip Knox if I've only flashed official ROMs through Odin?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pezlomd:
Yes very aware.. but i9505 had the 4.3 update already and the knox bootloader and I'm sure someone has figured a way ti get a custom recovery onto the phone with with the latest bootloader.. anybody???
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

In which case, flash a recovery from your variant,flash a custom ROM,but you must flash a stock SGH-M919 kernel before you boot it up.

You can also ask in your Help Thread how Recognized Contributor Skipjacks does it .

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pezlomd:
Well that's the thing.. When I flash a custom recovery for m919 when booting into recovery red blue and yellow letters pop up on the top of the screen and won't let me get into recovery.. then once I boot into the os and try to go onto recovery again the stock Samsung one shows up.. my phone seems to be blocking custom recovery from working.. not sure what's up..
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

That is why I am suggesting asking in your own HELP THREAD

Skipjacks has done this,because he is on an i9505 Slim ROM.

He will have experience of this,and will be able to guide you in this matter.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sid3winder:
how do i check if i tripped knox? This isnt possible with a custom bootloader right? (Is TWRP considered a custom bootloader?)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

Check for knox in download mode.

Knox 0x0 = untripped

Knox 0x1 =- tripped

No knox = no knox

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sid3winder:
For some reason i cant boot into download mode. It is press down button + Power right? My phone ends up booting up.

But the last time i went into download mode to install my modem, i didnt see any knox. So it means i dont have knox? :D

I think i didnt update to 4.3 from stock thats why

Thanks anyway!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mystic324:
it's vloume down + home +power
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sid3winder:
whoops noob me :silly:

---------- Post added at 02:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:38 PM ----------

Okay i booted it into download mode and it says:

ODIN MODE

PRODUCT NAME: GT-I9505

CURRENT BINARY: CUSTOM

SYSTEM STATUS: CUSTOM

CSB-CONFIG-LSB: 0X30

WRITE PROTECTION: Enable

So... no knox? :o
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

No knox = No knox

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sid3winder:
Sweet! So if there is no knox, it will be easier to revert to stock image am i right? (for warranty purposes)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

Yes.

Triangle away + stock firmware.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Absolon:
Yes, it is MY phone. If I manage to press in IOS in it it's not Samsungs problem. It's something I should be ashamed of ;)

And this is exactly what I mailed them about yesterday and I got a reply today to contact "Fort Knox" in US about the matter since they seemed to be a bit lost here what to answer really.

I know I'm annoying as DUCK when need be. :p
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SMiGGs:
Bit a of a noobie question, I have the Att variant galaxy s4 with basaeband ending with MF3.

Does this mean i cannot install custom roms? I was just about to root my phone, but im finding all this conflicting information when i search through a bunch of threads. May someone be kind enough to outline the process to getting a custom rom on my phone? I know how to flash, just wondering if there is a specific way about doing this.

Thank You!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] svd1977:
for warranty purposes

Hi,

What will happen if i dont use the triangle away and proceed directly of flashing a stockfirmware/latest fw on my rooted i9505?,how about in the case of i9500 which they cant use TA?please let me know.thanks
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

If you don't use TA, then, you will not reset the flash counter.

I am not sure what you are asking about the I 9500

:)

Transmitted telepathically from my S4
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] paradise220:
How to know which application has attempted to system without authentication in knox.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] svd1977:
Hi,

does samsung service center really checking up those so called flash counter even your phone status is already official after flashing stock fw?same scenario with i9500 which i believe is not supppoted by TA.i hope you get my point.thanks
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

It is there to be checked.

I cannot say that they will check it for either phone.

But if they do,they can see exactly what you have done.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Galaxy0508:
Hello

Now I have the firmware I9505XXUEMJ7 from EPLUS

Can I flash the I9505XXUEMK8 without void KNOX flag or the flash counter? Because I want to debrand the device and get updates faster.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrX91:
Is there any method to get root on the phone on android 4.3 with the new bootloader that will not trigger the knox to 0x1?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] timberwolf60:
Rooting generally will tripped knox. Custom kernel/recovery also tripped

knox. If you are on new 4.3 firmware and too worrying tripping knox or you need to use knox applications. Keep aways from rooting.

I had seen only one case wirh successfully rooted his 4.3 firmware without tripping knox. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=47728421&postcount=7893

If flashed stock pre rooted rom by odin > knox = 0x1.

Send from my I9505 using Tapatalk Pro

ROM: I9505XXUEMK9_Knox 0x1

CSC: I9505OLBEMK3_STH

Modem: I9505XXUEMK9

Stock Kernel/Recovery
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrX91:
I have my SGS4 for 3 days, it arrived with 4.2.2 and probably no KNOX on the board, but when I turned it on first time, the update notification showed, and I installed it. That was my mistake :D I should read this thread before doing that.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrX91:
Mailed to Samsung support about KNOX and get this answer:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=48060491&postcount=1340
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikael R:
If I have this in my download mode, does that mean I have Knox?

Because it's strange since I'm only on 4.2.2...

knox kernel lock 0x0

Knox warranty void 0x0

csb config lsb 0x30
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ELTinos:
For everyone wondering (like I did), flashing new modem didn't trip my warranty void (still have 0x0). Had some reception problems and LTE didn't go max speed so just tried flashing a different modem with Odin. ROM is stock I9505XXUEMJ7 (CSC:I9505PHNEMJ8) and went from I9505XXUEMJ7 modem to lower modem I9505XXUDMH7. Still on 0x0, sweet!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

Yes,you have knox.

Some of the later 4.2.2 firmwares came with the knox-pox.

:(
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikael R:
Thanks dude.

Hate Samsung so much right now. Want to switch again because of this xD

Well, maybe should upgrade soon then, have had the 4.3 update on hold for a couple of weeks now ^^
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PacStealer:
Do i have to go in download mode to se if knox has +1?

I just passed from 4.2.2 to 4.4 Jamal rom and i dont know how i'm doing

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505G con Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

Yes, check it in download mode.

:)

Transmitted telepathically from my S4
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yapkui:
Hi all,

I just bought the I9505 in one week.Now i want to Root and superuser,but i don't need CWM recovery at the moment.

The KNOX still trigger ?

Thanks
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drive7:
Sounds like it'll only trip it if you've got the new 4.3 bootloader, so check what you're running now.

Regardless, this is the last time I buy a Samsung phone, assuming they'll be implementing this horse**** on future models.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nicmair:
no numbers on email icon

I have just installed the Gummy 4.4 rom and so far so good, good enough for a daily rom however I have noticed that when new emails arrive the icon is never updated with a number like the stock 4.x does should it?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PacStealer:
Thanks

When I get there I only have to look for the knox word right? If isn't there I'm ok?

The how to get out correctly from download mode?

Inviato dal mio GT-I9505G con Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sahilisburman:
I9500 Stock 4.3 MJ9 Root

I am currently on 4.3 ( MJ9 ) Stock Rom, on I9500 model. Updated the phone early without researching on knox and warranty flag.

Now i want to root my I9500 what can i do so i can do it safely. ?

Please Guide.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

Press and hold the power button.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
Hi,

I don't think it's a rant.

Here is what Samsung says in a whitepaper:

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...er/2013/06/Samsung_KNOX_whitepaper_June-0.pdf

Now. I stayed on MI1 but would rather have MDK.

Why if, I'm not an enterprise do I need a secure boot loader.

I should have been asked before they make sweeping changes to my phone.

It's as easy as asking those that need secure phones to download a "KNOX" version and those that do not, get a regular version.

I don't need KNOX, don't want KNOX.

It is "MY" device and "I" don't want SE Linux enforcement on my device.

I bought it and I can do with it what I please as long as I don't violate my terms of service and Samsung has no business being in the way.

Do we have any U.S. class action lawyers that would like to take this case????
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PacStealer:
ok thanks

no "knox" words...