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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pitastrudl:
Hey, im from slovenia and im wondering what might be the case with this scenario:

I know knox is tripped if you flash a firmware with older base, but does it trip if you flash roms with same base but different mobile providers/regions? Like if you flashed over a slovenian firmware the Germany DBT firmware with the same base for the JFLTEXX? Does CSC have any connection to knox when it comes to flashing firmwares and tripping knox?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Badeeb:
I just flashed the NB9 rom for NEE which is a different region, and everything OK :good:

didn't trigger the KNOX flag, and the system status still OFFICIAL :D
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] D_BOND:
Question somewhat relates to knox topic

Hey Everyone,

I am having major problems with my Samsung Galaxy S4 (SGH-1337M). So I have Installed a custom rom on my S4 and it worked fine but recently I unroot my phone and tried installing its original firm ware using odin. For some reason though my S4 on stock firm ware isnt able to make calls at all, another problem im having is that there is no sound whats so ever! and on top of it all my wifi wont turn on.

Ive tried everything known to man I have installed different roms which for some reasons fixes my wifi problem but not my sound or calling problem. Ive tried everything guys and during the process of rooting and installing different roms and restoring to stock Samsung firmware I have somehow tripped the Knox Warranty Void Counter which now voids my warranty which is such a disappointment because before I could just reset the binary counter but now I dont even know if there's a way to reset the knox counter. Anyways help would be greatly appreciated!

Just a heads up im running jelly bean 4.2.2 would upgrading my phone to 4.3 help/fix my problems or will they become worse?

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Yes knox will be set off if you flash any firmware through it at all that isn't the firmware that Samsung is offering for your region at that time. Basically if you try to flash any software that isn't the software in which Samsung intends for you to have you will trigger the knox counter. So far it is hard to tell whether or not for sure if you take firmware from another region and flash it on to your device if it will trigger knox but most likely it will. Either way even if it doesn't set off knox while flashing most likely it will when you try to unflash the firmware.

Basically If I were you I'd wait to get the software because if something happens to go wrong during the first few weeks of you purchasing your S4 and knox has been triggered you will not be happy trust me its coming from someone who's experienced it.

P.S Knox is crap! Never buying a samsung again sticking to Nexus for life.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azuziel:
Ummmm, samung makes nexus bro.

Your issues are from your rom flashing a custom kernel or modem.

Flash back to stock using kies emergency firmware recovery or odin. If you're running a custom rom, then knox is already tripped. Can't install a rom without a custom recovery, and cant install a custom recovery without tripping knox. Dot not worry about knox. All it does is void the warranty, thats it, thats all. After rooting install supersu and allow it to disable knox and be done with it. And since knox flag is tripped, KNOX will not function. That's the whole point behind it.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lalec:
LG made the Nexus 4.

Galaxy S4 still running 4.2.2 bootloader does NOT have the same Knox problem that started with 4.3. My S4 SGH-M919 is still on 4.2.2 and has used multiple ROMs without tripping that flag (because it's not there).
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A|ex:
2 hours! you only need to spend 5 minutes reading the repeated questions on the latest posts to find the answer.

4.3 can be rooted without tripping knox.

4.4.2 cannot be rooted without tripping knox yet.

If you are bothered about knox keep on 4.2.

knox is not the end of the world and if your rooting and messing around with system you should be well aware of the consequences.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] misteR_Bilzz:
Things have changed... >:( KNOX!

So long story short, ive rooted my i9505, only issue is if I lock my phone using the power button and try to wake it up again either using the power or home button it will reboot.

I only noticed this was an issue after trying to remove knox and tripping the counter.

My question is, if I wipe my phone and go back to stock will the knox counter be reset?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CarlM34:
There is no way to re-set the counter...Once it is tripped that is it. Going back to stock will not re-set it!! Only Samsung can do this via a service center!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] v00d007:
Hello, I read lots of statements here but I couldn't find the most important thing for me:

Why isn't it possible to flash an older knox-free bootloader to a S4 9505 i.e. with Odin,

when Samsung can do it with just one OTA-Update package????

:confused::confused::confused:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pitastrudl:
Never heard of Samsung reverting bootloaders to pre-knox ones. Source?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
Samsung could do it. They sign the bootloader. Unless you or somebody else has signing keys that we don't know ow about, then reverting if they wanted to do it is exclusively a Samsung thing.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] v00d007:
No, i meant that they can change/flash the bootloader easily. When they can change this system part, so why shouldn't it be possible to change it back to non-knox?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
They can do anything they want.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AEkizoff:
Yes, I'm the same opinion

Once they scored Knox with update, so if they can get it off
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muiacir:
Is there any topic or a way in internet that i can know the new roms for 9505? For example i am using NBE but today i understood that the new version is NBH.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pitastrudl:
I'm sure they dont. Also they probably have the signed bootloader packages stored in a secure place or they dont even have them lol.

check here http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s4
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Heke120:
Is there currently (or being developed) anyway to get root on android 4.4.2 without triggering knox? I tried saferoot and Kingo but neither of them work.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dwl99:
My phone is a new I9505 with stock Android 4.2.2 XXUDMGG. I've spent 2 hours wading through all the Knox stuff & have just ended up even more confused. I would be very grateful if someone could answer some questions for me.

1. The phone is offering to upgrade the firmware to 4.3 OTA but I realise that this would install the Knox bootloader. Should I avoid doing this or is it necessary for the newer ROMs? My ultimate aim is to flash the Wanam 4.4 ROM http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2283194 .

2. From my reading so far, I think that the way to go would be to flash a stock ROM with Odin (or do an OTA update), root via the Root de la Vega method, use the TWRP app from Google Play to download & install TWRP then use it to flash the Wanam 4.4 ROM - will I end up with Knox 0x0 if I do this? Is there an easier way?

Thanks a lot.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FlanjeUK:
Do not update officially if you want to keep knox 0x0 and flash a custom ROM and Recovery.

Just use Odin to flash recovery (I would personally recommend CWM) then flash Wanam, you can do anything you want on the old bootloader and not worry about knox (as long as you dont upgrade the bootloader obviously)

Sent from my 9505GTi
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] v00d007:
I really can't believe it - what is so difficult to understand my question:

ISN'T IT POSSIBLE TO FLASH AN OLDER BOOTLOADER THAT IS KNOX-FREE OVER ONE WITH KNOX with Odin to get rid of this knox crap???

(I could also ask whether it is possible to DOWNGRADE a knox bootloader to a knox-free one...)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

It is not possible to flash an old bootloader over the new knox bootloader.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dwl99:
Thanks, I'll give that a go. I can't believe it's quite so easy. It looks as if the latest modems need the Knox bootloader to work - can anyone tell me the most recent modem that works with the old bootloader?

Why on earth would anybody want to "upgrade" to the Knox bootloader when you can use custom ROMs & recoveries with the old one? Although I realise that some ROMS like Omega need the new bootloader to work.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] v00d007:
Thanks, but do you also know the reason WHY it shouldn't be possible?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FlanjeUK:
It really is that easy ;)

My i9505:

XXUBMGA bootloader

XXUFNB9 modem (yes, you can update it)

SlimKat (AOSP ROM)

Alucard Kernel

Philz recovery

and... Knox 0x0 :P

Sent from my 9505GTi
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AA73:
In fact, is there someone who has with official updated Galaxy S4 after that installed root (fully worked), without activating Knox (without loss of warranty on the phone)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dwl99:
Excellent! What is the latest stock ROM that is Knox-free?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FlanjeUK:
XXUBMH1 :D

Sent from my 9505GTi
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] v00d007:
Bootloader Downgrade: whats that all about this thread??

[EXPERIMENTAL][i9505] Possibility to Downgrade to an old Bootloader!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2539904
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi ,

You want MGA

Look here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2265477

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FlanjeUK:
You can root 4.2.2 and 4.3 and keep knox 0x0 but no way to root 4.4.2 yet without getting knox 0x1

Sent from my 9505GTi
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

I closed that thread , because it did not work.

Samsung have made it so that you cannot download bootloaders once you have knox.

Sorry.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AA73:
Thanks

This is a quick and clear answer
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dwl99:
Do you mean PHE-I9505XXUBMGA? According to the thread you mentioned it's a Spanish ROM & listed alongside 4.4 ROMS but when I googled it it's actually a 4.2 ROM!

I'm currently on XXUDMGG 4.2.2 which is Knox-free. Am I correct in thinking that my current stock ROM is more recent than the MGA mentioned above?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

Yes , MGG is probably a slightly later version , and yes MGA is 4.2.2

What did you want it for

I thought you wanted to return to stock without the knox bootloader.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dwl99:
I was intending on using it as an easy way to update the modem but I've tracked down the modem update separately so I'm good to go now. Thanks for all your advice, I was getting really bogged down!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

As FlanjeUK said, that can be updated without a problem and without Knox.

Check the modem thread in General section

:)

Transmitted telepathically from my S4
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dwl99:
I don't believe this! I had thought that because the Phone Info app reported "warranty bit not found" (XXUDMGG) that meant I didn't have Knox. I've just booted into download mode to flash TWRP and found that Knox 0x0 is displayed so I do have Knox after all. I'm rapidly losing the will to live. I seem to remember from the hundreds of posts I have trawled through that it is possible to install a stock 4.3 ROM & root that without tripping Knox - is this correct? IIRC the chainfire root method will trip Knox but I came across a mention of the "Root de la Vega" method on the Note3 forum http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=46818366 and will give that a go. Does anyone know if there is there a last version number of stock 4.3 that it would be safe to do this on? I believe that Samsung has cottoned onto this and has been updating bootloaders to make them Vega-proof!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] donalgodon:
Sorry. I misread. I thought you were referring to I9505XXUEMI8 4.3 leak. What did you mean... is there something interesting in the MF8 release?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fury3D:
Rushing on Samsung's twitter..
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] howfunny22:
I don't get this KNOX thing. I understand that this KNOX will be install on one device if he upgrade to a new version that includes the new bootloader. Now, if one has knox and tries to downgrade or flash kernel\recovery it will trigger the 0X1...

And then? what does it mean?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingzain900:
It's to do with warranty issues with Samsung. Read the first post in this thread. And then read a couple of pages from last.

Basically Samsung claims that warranty is void, which we are arguing (and bringing up the EU law) that it's perfectly under warranty. Now we just need court representation, some legal fees donation (would you like to donate? :P), some cojones, and we can beat Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UltraPower31:
BTW Has someone tried to downgrade the bootloader using dd?

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9505 mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] howfunny22:
If the Knox warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use knox firmware as your device has been flagged as insecure.

Is that mean that if i get the 0x1 so i can't upgrade my device to future firmware, including 4.3 and future versions of android?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SeaFargo:
I don't care about 0x1. What else limitation ?

First of all I do not care about the warranty void 0x1. I like modded ROMs and I'm happy to have my S4 I9505XXUDMHB with warranty void 0x1 flag! :p

I just want to know what other limitation I have now. :confused: I did root, I flash whatever recovery I like, I can perfectly install CM 10.2 and other ROMs. ;)

I just can not downgrade stock, even recompiling the old firmware without bootloader, because WIFI don't work. But I do not need older system. I understand it's not a way to restore that warranty flag. So I don't mind to downgrade. :good:

The question is: what actual and future limitation should I have with this and later bootloader? :rolleyes: My 9505XXUDMHB is still 4.22, and it's the latest in Italy.

Seems that I have still all control over my phone, excluding flashing any bootloader but I9505XXUDMHB + later version.

Does the later version start to give some limitation more than warranty void 0x1? :rolleyes: I've read about something like "partial root", but I do not understand exactly who have this issue ...

The fact that I can not flash older bootloader can give me some compatibility issue with some custom roms? If so what's the criteria to chose a proper custom rom? :rolleyes:

What information are stored on bootloader exactly? I suppose not kernel, because I've flashed many custom rom with different kernels. So what?

Thank you in advance for your kind reply.

I'm still a novice on I9505. This is my first Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] donalgodon:
Yes, and it always fails. There's no way to do so (yet), and even the smartest guys around (Chainfire et al.) have pretty much given up hope that it can ever be cracked, based on what they've seen so far.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leijonasisu:
Where is your proof that they think it's going to be (as you say) uncrackable?

I'd like to see a quote from Chainfire/etc. that it's something beyond anyone's power.

Also a second question.

I just reflashed the latest version of NEE stock for me which is. JDQ39.I9505XXUDMH8

Will simply just 'rooting' the device trip my KNOX and kill my warranty?

I only really want to root my phone to use WifiKill, change the Default font to my favourite 'Antipasto', and use a few modules in Xposed.

Other than that. I don't care. First post is a bit vague but said that it trips one of the counters, but does it trip the one that will void my Warranty?

Though it seems like I will be voiding myself to future updates of Android 4.4 KitKat if I do so anyway?

I really don't want to lose my warranty. I did get my device in the EU so apparently I have a minimum statutory 2 year warranty. But I still don't want any bull**** with Samsung. Especially if Triangle Away and Un-root no longer re-inforce my warranty.

Thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] donalgodon:
I didn't exactly say that it was "uncrackable" but if you check Chainfire's Google+ posting on the matter, you'll get the point. It's not something that seems doable, or even something he's willing to attempt at this point.

Here's the post:

Emphasis added.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nicesoni_ash:
Hi

Thanks for this Q&A thread, I have some concerns to clear, hopefully someone will reply about them.

2. You cannot use knox firmware means it won't boot and you will have to flash older version or what kind of restriction would apply here.

4. Rooting will work as full system root with all apps have access to root, or partially?

10. So if I buy a Note 3 or S4 in India, Note 3 is SM-N9000 and S4 is GT-I9500 will they be free from all this knox crap cause on Samsung official site Note 3 even for India shows to have Knox..

This really made me think twice before I go for Samsung phones since I do need root all the time.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
2. it just means that if you work in a company that allows u to bring your own device to work and use as a work mobile and they impliment knox security it wont work. phone will function fine with the flag tripped. only real concern for most is warranty...

4. I've been corrected on this, rooting works fine but doing so will trip the knox fuse.

10. as far as i know all new devices will have it and potentially it will role out to older devices too...

hope this helps
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nicesoni_ash:
That helped indeed. One more concern, many Indian users who have Note 3 reported that even though it is there, there is no visible counter on screen, so rooting and other stuff doesn't seem to show whether it's changed to 01 or not, now since it doesn't show how would be know whether our warranty voided or not cause we can't go back to default.

_____________

Sent from my GT-I9300 powered by Temasek Rom & Kernel

Fueled by 7000mAh ZeroLemon Battery
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
Honestly im not sure, thats the first i heard of it not showing on some devices. I would imagine that there will still be a way for service centres to check whether the fuse is in tact or not.

People in some of the threads have been toying with the idea of modifying the bootloader to hide the knox flag, dont know how well that would work.

Might be some more helpful discussion over in Note3 forum?Sorry cant help more
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Siwandroid:
Hello,

I'm currently on Omega 10 MH1, I want to flash the FW 4.3 TW leaked. And after If I want go back to 4.2.2. And keep the Knox 0x0.

I cannot just flash a Stock MGA or MH1 and after flash custom recovery, a prerooted Rom MGA or MH1 and the Knox will remain to 0x0?

or trying to go back this will increasing the Knox to 0x1?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingzain900:
Doing anything but an official UPDATE to a Samsung firmware will trip the knox flag. In many cases, even an official update made the flag go to 0x1. As far as i know, the 4.3 has the latest bootloader and going back is going to keep your flag at 0x1.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CarlM34:
Yep...agreed....once the flag is triggered at 0x1 thats it!! Reflashing official firmware will make no difference to the flag:cyclops:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingzain900:
I want to know how many people did not update their firmwares to the latest versions due to the Knox issue.

I am one. I'm still on XXUBMF8 haha. I don't know why, because I don't have warranty, but I'd like to be 100% sure of going back to whatever I want without tripping nothing (and the new firmwares seem to have nothing special).

EDIT: I suggest people read this and maybe add it to the OP? http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46223527&postcount=8. This points out that irrespective of the manufacturer's warranty (the knox warranty), if the device has a fault (not done by the user), then the retailer has the obligation to repair it (if you have a warranty with them).
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] szaboagoston:
Still plenty of options

Hi guys,

I have a little update for you regarding flashing custom ROMs on a "knoxed 0x1" phone.

I think the problem was with the recovery I used, i9505-cwm-recovery-6.0.3.2(0611). I got all these status errors even tough I did complete wipes.

I flashed philz_touch_5.17.1-i9505.tar a few minutes ago, and I can confirm the following:

1. Custom TW ROM, like Wanam lite works without problems.

2. Custom GE ROM, like Jamals) works without problems.

3. Custom AOSP ROM, like Slim bean works without problems.

So, all in all, there is really nothing to worry about. :)

Enjoy your flashing.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Siwandroid:
Even, in future if i put my ROM to MGA/MH1 to STOCK firmware and after that i update via Kies or wifi, it will flag at 0x1?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FlanjeUK:
SafeRoot will do the job ;)

Sent from my 9505GTi
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dwl99:
Thanks, I had missed this because it was in the Verizon section! It looks like it works with all 4.3 ROMs so I'll give it a go with	Ireland	2014 March	4.3	I9505XXUENAA	I9505YXXENB4.

EDIT - I think the Irish firmware may not be a good idea, have gone for I9505XXUEMK9 instead which worked perfectly.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lalec:
Only because Samsung made it that way.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] att85:
It looks like if you deactivate knox with superSU the singal drops go away...at least this is my experience since today.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FlanjeUK:
:good: MK9 working excellent here on o2, getting strong LTE signal like never before :D

Sent from my 9505GTi
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theroar:
Root and Rom on I9505

Hi. I have been reading this thread and would just like some confirmation before I jump into anything.

I had a s4 that was on 4.2 and rooted with a custom recovery. Life was good, but the dude that was flashing my phone said I should update before he did his magic. Should have read more before I jumped off that cliff it seems.

Anyhow, now my Knox is 0x01.

I would like root on the phone because I use Titanium Backup. I also have always had a custom recovery so I could make nandroids and switch roms when I wish.

I am trying to figure out if knox affects me or not. I do not work in a knox envoironment. My school could care less what phone I have. I doubt I try warranty ever on the phone because I bought it on ebay and moved it to page plus.

I have the saferoot post open, as is the Root de la Vega set of steps. I am also trying to track down what rom would be closest to M.O.A.R which I use on my sprint S3 that I moved to page plus as well.

Thanks tons for your time. I just want to make sure I do not dig myself into a deeper hole...

Mike
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brundlefly01:
Hi there

I flashed a stock nordic XXUFNB9 ROM via Odin. Worked fine.

I then rooted the device with Unified Android Toolkit

I have TWRP and root, and i can make a nandroid backup in recovery, BUT if i wipe or restore my backup or install a custom ROM, TWRP restarts, and the phone wont boot.

I have to start all over.

btw. Don't care about Knox.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FlanjeUK:
Try latest, official CWM :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MisiuKP:
You also may try to install TWRP 2.6.3.1 by using flashify.