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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bessagabriel:
Yes, I've done this
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hirodina:
So if I flash Vega pre-rooted rom or use root method... I'll stay with 0x0 that's cleared out... but It's flashed trough odin..so I'll get binary flash counter +1 .... to get back official status I'll flash stock, which will not cause to increase flash number....so before flashing stock I should use triangle away... and here comes my question. Triangle Away flashes it's own kernel to unhide flash counter partition. Will this self-flashed kernel trip knox flag? Because changing to stock and getting official status will still be unsafe, because they can use flash counter to void warranty. Despite the fact that it's against law in EU to void it. Anyone tried triangle away and has stayed 0x0?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jorge_moran_jams:
Install CWM recovery

Hi,

I'm currently on UBMF8... I saw the new UEMJ5 is Knox 0x0 so I'm interested in trying it, but my biggest worry is not being able to flash cwm again, is that the case? What am I missing out? should I stay with UBMF8 and the old bootloader?

Thanks for your help
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jjnhl68:
You better stay on old bootloader. With new one on MJ5 you will trigger 0x1 if use cwm, or anything custom. On your MF8 you don't have Knox, so you have all the freedom. Hope I helped...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] liviu993:
what is the lastest firmware i can flash via odin on my i9505 with the old bootloader , i mean without knox ?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ace_of_spades021:
all XXUB.. firmwares have olde bootloader ...

XXUD.. AND XXUE.. firmwares have knox bootloader
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] harelp:
hello you all :)

THE MEGA ROM IS WITHOUT THE NEW BL AND KNOX ?

THE ORIGINAL IS WITH THE NEW BL AND KNOX?

i cam from the nordic MGA
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lukecage:
Hello men, I got a S4 with xxuDmgg firmware (vodafone italy) and i rooted the phone with CF autoroot before knowing about Knox.

Now Knox is set to 0x1 but i don't care about warranty, i just would like to know if at this time i can flash (via odin or CWM) another ROM with no problems (i.e. the AOSP 4.3) and if i can install another bootloader, firmware, modem, kernel, etc..

Thanks in advance :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bessagabriel:
No, the MEGA ROM have the new bootloader.

Yes, the original comes with the knox and the bl!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

You can only trigger the Knox counter once.

After that,you can still install any ROM/recovery/kernel .

You cannot install an older firmware.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beneelim:
I have tried posting in noob-friendly QA topic, but kantjer advised me to try here. As you might imagine, I'm quite keen to get new Android 4.3 on my I9505. I wish to stay as stock as possible, but it's a deal breaker if there is no root or my warranty gets broken (Knox 0x1). Custom recovery would also be quite nice. Here is the current information about my S4:

Model number: GT-I9505

Android Version: 4.2.2

Baseband version: I9505XUUBMF8

Kernel version: 3.4.0-917495 se.infra@SEP-124#1 Wed Jun 19 20:07:29 KST 2013

Build nubmer: JDQ39.I9505XXUBMF8

SELinux status: Permissive

Secure boot status Type: Samsung

I have CWM Recovery (Touch) v6.0.3.6 installed. Also, phone is rooted with CF Auto Root and I have used Triangle Away app. (don't know if that affects anything, but more info can't hurt, right?)

There are massive amounts of info floating on this part of forum, some of them contradicting. I have read hundreds of posts and I'm still not certain, so I figured it would be better just to ask away here. I'm sure there are more people in the same boat as I. To the questions then:

1) If I install XXUMJ5 MEGA ROM from DjeMBeY (or Echoe ROM) I will have a clean, rooted, stock ROM with TouchWIZ and all that it entails. Correct?

Correct. (thanks Hawke84 for the answer)

2) Is it possible to get new 4.3 android with touchwiz, but somehow leave out the new bootloader, so I can flash away anything to my hearts desire without having to worry?

No it's not possible, we've tried leaving out the bootloader and you get no sound, no mobile network, can't make calls, no wifi etc. Basically a useless phone!

(thanks Hawke84 for the answer)

3) If I flash a custom recovery while on ROMs mentioned in Question 1, I will get Knox warranty 0x1. Correct?

Yes, if you flash anything including custom recovery you will trip the Knox counter to 0x1. (thanks Hawke84 for the answer)

4) If yes to Question 3, is it possible to get custom recovery while on ROM from Question 1, without voiding my warranty, and how?

N/A (thanks Hawke84 for the answer)

I would be very grateful if someone could answer all these questions in a concise manner. I'm sure I won't be the only one who benefits from complete answers. In case it happens, maybe copy this part to OP?

Thanks in advance guys!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
1) Correct

2) no its not possible, we've tried leaving out the bootloader and you get no sound, no mobile network, cant make calls, no wifi etc. basically useless phone!

3) yes if you flash anything including custom recovery u will trip the knox counter to 0x1

4)N/A

hope this helps. sorry not the best news. im in the same boat as you, I want exactly the same :( hopefully it will come
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beneelim:
Hmm, so basically, all that will be sacrificed is custom recovery and ability to flash back to older BL versions?

I think I can live with that, for a while...but I hope solution will come soon. :) While on this topic: Does flashing for example a script that cleans bloatware with stock recovery also trigger Knox 0x1?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
just wait because it looks like EchoRom is 4.3 without bootloader / knox...

question on flashing a script is moot because you will have already triggered knox flag 0x1 by installing a custom recovery.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beneelim:
Thanks a lot for the advice and answers! I guess I will wait for a few days to see what happens with EchoRom 4.3.

Sorry, stupid question...forgot that I need custom recovery in order to flash that script. >.<
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
haha no problem, how u learn - better than u testing it out for yourself and tripping your knox counter :)

Echorom is uploading now
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beneelim:
True :) It took a lot of patience not to flash the leaked 4.3 but I managed somehow. :D But waiting this long...uuuh, can't hold out much longer or geek in me will just explode haha.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FoOtY1337:
Phone hangs at blinking Samsung logo

Hey guys,

I was using broodplank133's AOSP ROM but I wanted to switch to the new Samsung Stock 4.3 ROM. I went to DjeMBeY and donwloaded the: I9505XXUEMJ5-ODEX-MEGA-BOOTLOADER-FREE (MEGA ROM: Bootloader-FREE- KNOX 0x1!!! DO NOT USE IT unless you have 0x1 already!!)

version since my KNOX setting is already 0x1. I used Odin 3.04 to flash it as PDA and only the 2 boxes are ticked, I didn't change that. Now my phone will not get past the blinking Samsung logo. Did I do anything wrong?

Thanks in advance!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FoOtY1337:
Thanks mate, I went to the stock recovery and wiped data and cache, seems like there was some garbage left ;)

Cheers!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
not sure, you are better off posting in the ROM thread
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kantjer:
I don't know what is or isn't availble on stock 4.3 Rom but you could try Swype or SwiftKey
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] philip2000:
Thanks kantjer, but these are full QWERTY continuous input options. Although better, in my opinion, than standard typing, they're not the T9 4X3 continuous input/swipe option I already had and found superior in the standard keypad. I don't like using QWERTY but do like T9 and swipe which Samsung had, but decided to remove for 4.3.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

I moved your post HERE

Before Hawke has a heart-attack :p

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bulbous:
I am not a lawyer, but I do have a clear understanding of the English Language. If I was going to implement something like this, then I'd think what I was trying to achieve and trying to communicate.

FACTS:

1. Knox is a corporate based security software.

2. As Corporate trusted software, Knox has to be able to verify that it has not been compromised.

3. Knox cannot do this, without monitoring what has been installed.

CONCLUSION

Therefore, Knox Warranty Void means exactly what it says - Knox cannot verify that it is secure

If you wanted a system that voided a device warranty, wouldn't you just name it "Device Warranty Void"?

The fact that Samsung service shops are giving conflicting answers about warranty is because they are getting no leadership from Samsung and they are giving an answer based on little to no knowledge.

Some guys see "Knox Warranty Void" and don't even recognise the qualifier "Knox"

Other guys read it correctly as the Security software is (possibly) compromised.

Hence all the confusion.

These Samsung service guys are not employed for their decision making capabilities, they're employed for their technical capabilities. They only decide based on what they're told. So ...

Take the device to the service centre personally and talk to the service rep. You'll actually find that they're quite bright and happy to listen to/discuss with you.

It certainly worked for me when I had an intermittent Hardware failure on my daughter's (non-rooted) GT-N8010. I returned it via the retailer and they just returned it to the Service Centre who flashed it again with the latest firmware.

I then took it down personally and spoke with the service guy, who replaced the motherboard.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewhahalee:
MH6 - Unable to factory reset

Need assistance. (Running XXUDMH6)

1 I've flashed Chainfire's CF Auto Root and it didn't work. Bricked my phone.

2 Unable to flash stock firmware - results in failed.

3 Phone unable to boot. Bricked x2

4 Flashed PIT file and re-partitioned

4 Phone was able to restart again with the stock OS.

5 Now I can't do a factory reset - CF Auto Root will run at start-up to attempt to reset my phone (Red Android logo) and is immediately blocked. Goes back to the default Samsung boot screen. Therefore, I can't wipe my phone at all.

Right now, I understand that some devs are working around this whole knox issue, but I would like to know if there's anyway I can do a factory reset. That CF Auto Root thing at the startup is disallowing me to continue.

My phone has never been bricked to such an extent where almost everything is irreversible. :(

(Btw, I do not have a custom recovery installed yet since my "rooted" phone has "root access" yet it's not clearly rooted as system files cannot be modified.)

Appreciate any help I can get.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Formhault:
Corporate software on a phone that is sold later to be handed even to little girls? I mean, how many 15 year old girls haven't I seen with an expensive smartphone like the S4... That's not a phone which deserves such "corporate"-level software.

(I am not saying that us, S4 users, are 15 year old girls. Hope you get what I'm saying)

Putting such a "corporate"-level software on a phone that is NOT intended for the business level (what business man would need Air Gestures and a crazy powerful camera?), but for the kind of people that only seek recreation... Jesus. Samsung should just as well include a suite of "corporate" apps like pre-paid, expensive, very well built Office type of apps etc. if they want to be believed when they say they are puting corporate-level software in their smartphones. At least do the full job, for crying out loud.

Knox is called corporate... just so they have an escape goat.

They should sell four variants of the Galaxy S4. Qualcomm / Exynos for Corporates / Consumers. But then again, Samsung follows its own paths to do things like it knows "better"...

The majority of custom ROMs & kernels out there are much better than what Samsung can provide. Especially security wise AND without restricting basically everything - which Knox seems to be doing.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bulbous:
Maybe they're targeting the corporate market. It's worth a lot of money.

Having said that, how much good was the corporate market for Blackberry in the long run?

Any lessons there that Samsung should be noting?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Formhault:
Samsung is not a company that can provide a product for the enterprise level. Even if they are trying to be, starting with this Knox thing is the wrong foot. I don't think they want to target the corporate market. I think this Knox thing is their escape goat to say "hey, we do have something for corporate : it's Knox; but all users will need to knee before it!"

Anyway, I'm done with them. I miss the old times when I could do anything to my Galaxy Nexus without breaking a sweat. Now, even after I flash a modem I feel like I'm cr*pping my pants...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Broli@666:
I also think that Knox will be the wrong way...its in my opinion similar to apples way...

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9505 mit Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jjnhl68:
They are preparing Knox 2.0, even more secured. It seems that bootloader on 4.3 is more secured also, several weird cases with mega and root de la vega that triggered 0x1. This is insane...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] speedme:
What I don't understand (and frustrates me even) is the following :

Samsung claims that Knox is a corporate piece of software, used to be able to use corporate apps on a private phone.

But why do they put this software on EVERY phone, rather than give the Galaxy owners the choice to use it or not.

Ofcourse they target on the corporate market, which is fine (if that will work for Samsung anyway, take a look at Blackberry as someone already mentioned), but the majority of the owners are still normal consumers who don't need or want Knox.

I only have my S4 since 2 weeks and I am coming from Sony, LG and HTC.

As each brand has it's strange behaviour to deal with customers, I have never experienced such "forced" behaviour from all the other brands.

In my opinion Samsung is digging its grave if they are keep forcing this kind of crap upon us.

In my case I couldn't even do anything about is, I instantly received an update as soon as I turned on the phone.

And then suddenly I had Knox on it.

But as I had Titanium Backups of my previous phone, which I wanted to restore on the S4, I needed to root in order to restore the backups.

So the flag was set to 0x1.

Then I got all sorts of errors after restoring the TB backups, so I went back to an older ROM --> phone wouldn't start anymore and stuck at boot logo.

Flashed a pre-rooted ROM here with Knox disabled (XXUDMH8) which, luckily, worked for me.

I think the only way Samsung might listen to us is to flood them with service requests, not only for the swolen batteries but also for every crap we can think of.

When they receive thousands of requests, they might consider to change their policy...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattiadj:
I'm on omega 12 with Philip recovery.

I have Knox 0x1.

It's no possible to make my phone warranty accessible?

If I want to sell it I need to sell it with warranty. I have bought it only a month ago.

Please answer.

I can do all needed if it's possible to restore it. But of course after I need to root it and use it as now.

Anyone can help me?

From universe with my gs4 snapdragon powered!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hen-3:
As said many times before on multiple threads: Knox can't be reset (yet).

So you can't sell it with warranty.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rodnah:
I think ive read the whole thread but might have failed to read something.

Im on omega v10 xxubmh1, is it possible to go back to completely stock and 4.3 without triggering the knox flag?

are there any guides on how to?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MistahBungle:
Still surprised people on here fail to understand 'people like us' are a tiny/insignificant portion of Samsung's sales. Quite rightly (from a business P.O.V, and keep in mind their mission is to make money, they're not a charity), they don't give a fig about us. They only care about the 99% of people who use their phones 'normally'. Plant that firmly in your mind (and also the whole enterprise security thing), and the Knox thing makes sense.

Do you really think Samsung give a **** if people like us don't buy their phones ? You can throw all the tantys you want in this thread, but it won't change a single thing.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Oniyuri:
This is an interesting question: It's true that Samsung's riding high on the hog at the moment but the thing is that most normal users are buying things based on its reputation. A lot of that has to do with word of mouth. Now everyone knows someone that's a "techie" which would more than likely be one of us on this forum or some other big android community. Normal ppl gravitate to what is popular; we all see it with the legion of iPhone users. Even before the smartphone boom, there was the T-Mo Sidekick and before that there was the Motorola RAZR. At those times, I was rocking a Samsung messenger and some other Samsung clamshell phone - both were cheaper and both did the exact same thing but those phones were what all my friends used. I was even the only person I knew that had a Vibrant (GS1) until my hubby got one at my recommendation. Honestly, I don't think this is gonna lead to good publicity among us casual phone users but it may be worth the risk in order to secure the contracts that Samsung's currently after within the enterprise market now that Blackberry is gonna fail. Thankfully there's a lot of competitors out there and now ppl (including me) are looking at the lesser known manufacturers that are currently open for developers. I currently see OPPO, Xiaomi and Huawei as my frontrunners for my next smartphone purchase. The only reason I'm not using a nexus at the moment is that Google is too busy pushing it's cloud services and that's not gonna work for me. Data is really expensive and I'm not trying to spend more than I could really afford (...says the woman that spent $700 on a mobile). Besides, I like the convenience of having all of my data right on me.

When I started paying attn to android, HTC was the hotness. They had awesome phones like the Nexus One, the Legend, and Desire. Sense was consistently the best UI hands down. Honestly, they probably would've been still top dog if it weren't for the fact that they started closing off their bootloader and took out the SD card slot. Their build quality was great back then too. Everything went to crap around the Desire Z/T-Mo G2 and has been mediocre ever since. Seriously, if all that hadn't happened and word of mouth had not gotten as big as it did (especially around these parts) ppl would be still buying HTC. Shoot, as it is, even I'd buy HTC over Samsung if they weren't so tight and added back the SD card slot. As it is, with the difficulty devs have with getting stuff out for the Exynos based phones that just puts Samsung in an even worse position for gaining the favor of heavy/power users. I only mention this now because eventually all versions of Galaxies will have a Exynos SOC (once Samsung is able to ramp up production to handle the load they need) and that's closed. If and when that happens, I don't know many power users that will stay behind as I'd think most would just go to the Qualcomm based phones thus leading to ppl looking and seeing that new hot phone that everyone else is using will not be a Samsung.

.......ofc, I don't see this happening in the near future, though.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ongbac:
Will I trigger the knox to 0x1 if I just reflash the 4.3 firmware?

I think something is wrong with it, so I would like to reflash it.

Will it trigger the new knox binary counter?

Thank you
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CarlM34:
DELETED!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] difyel:
Very well said , no company is bigger than its users especially since monopolies are long gone . Blackberry tended to the business world , ignoring what its consumers want and need and acted arrogantly , at the end it got punished and came out as a silly bankrupt buffoon.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewhahalee:
Resolved.

I managed to play around and flash stock firmware. Now my phone is unrooted and OTA updates are running normally. Not sure if my KNOX counter has reset - though highly unlikely.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CarlM34:
You can check by putting your phone into download mode and compare with the pic in OP! If your knox was 0x1 then it will still be that way though!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewhahalee:
Hi. I've checked. You're right. The counter did not reset.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CarlM34:
Being able to re-set the KNOX counter will not come anytime soon I imagine. :(
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewhahalee:
Yeah..that's definitely correct =/

But I'm just glad my phone is able to run OTA now and look forward to the 4.3 release. Better than being stuck and not being able to do a Factory Reset after my phone bricked the first time.

I'll be glad if there's actually a root out there that works.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JohnnyRebel:
Personally in its infant stages knox is a burden. But with a corporate and government market I can see the need for samsung to compete with the all mighty apple. I hope we're all just reading too much into this and the counter is just permanently disabling knox. Signaling to secured networks that the knox flagged device has been compromised voiding it's knox secured warranty via samsung. Meaning samsung no longer gaurentees that this device will not compromise the networks security. Only time will tell but somehow I doubt this flag is going to end up meaning very much to 95% of the users that trip this flag. And for the 5% it does, oh well they probably have good jobs and the company they work for provides them with an alternative phone that meets their security standards. Anyways just my opinion hoping to end some of this drama until there is a definitive answer from Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] speedme:
I was thinking....

Let's say someone has a Knox counter 0x1 and brings the phone in for warranty.

Samsung, if they do it anyway, says that the warranty is void so customer has to pay for the repair.

Customer complains, but knows that he has tempered with the phone (customer rom, other kernel, whatever...) so he decides to pay.

Samsung repairs the phone, but will they reset the Knox counter ????

Because Samsung is obliged, as far as I know, to bring the phone back in factory state...which also means that Knox counter should be at 0x0....right ?