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[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcedeno408:
Hangouts problems

So, I am new to Android, just switched after having every single iPhone variant, and finally got fed up with Apple. I currently have the Galaxy Note 3 for AT&T. Its an awesome phone but I am having issues with Hangouts. I cant seem to send or receive MMS's without the app crashing on me. I have downloaded the update thru Google Play and it doesnt even give me the SMS options. Downloaded the actual APK and it seemed to work fine, until MMS got involved. I am about ready to throw this phone out of my 19th story window. I hate the Samsung stock msg app. It never seems to want to download any MMS's

PLEASE HELP ME

I would hate to switch back to an iPhone just because of these msging issues.

Thanks in advanced.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Agent:
That's because you're using an unofficial version of Hangouts for this phone. It's going to have issues. Google hasn't released that version of Hangouts for the Note 3 yet. Your best best is to uninstall it and wait for the update through Google Play.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackout128:
I've been using Handcent as my messaging app since I got my Note 3. It's pretty good and free.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zzoinks:
(emphasis mine)

Do you know for sure that Hangouts v2.x is not available for the Note 3 yet? I haven't gotten the update from the Play store and I'm debating side-loading the APK but I'm apprehensive about the source and would rather wait for the official version.

I know it's a "staggered rollout" but this was the first I'd heard a blanket statement that it's not available for the Note 3 yet.

Thanks,

-Brett.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Agent:
They just turned loose the update for the Note 3 yesterday.

Downloading an apk somewhere other than Google Play means there's a chance it's not for your phone. Maybe you can request somebody rip the official apk from the new Note 3 update so you can install that on your phone. Prior to yesterday's release what you said is a known bug for installing it. The apk you got was for 4.4 not 4.3.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kc2kzz:
Do you know what version that is? I uninstalled the one I downloaded from android police and the play store update still shows 1.xxxx on my end.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Agent:
2.0.128 (914007-30)

That came official from the Play Store.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackout128:
Tried hangouts on cellular and it finally works on AT&T. About time.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gary02468:
Wait, really? Hangouts video works for you without WiFi? I just tried again and I still get the must-be-on-WiFi-network error.

Where are you geographically, and which version of Hangouts do you have? Mine was recently updated to 2.0.128 (914007-30).
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackout128:
Hangouts Version 2.0.128 and I live in New Jersey.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] henrydcc:
I also can finally. Puerto rico
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gary02468:
Cool. Sounds like it's rolling out, then.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Agent:
I'm around Flint Michigan and it still doesn't work for me yet. I hope they get it soon, I'm on the road a lot and it's nice to talk to family with it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] TigerDNA:
I Ann running AOKP but this has always been an issue. What setting do I have to change to get content to display on my browsers? So the screen shots site what a lot of sites look like. It's not all sites but it's some. This one is joann . com / coupon. I was in this site with my wife today and tried to use a coupon. Her stock nexus 4 running 4.3 displays everything just fine. I tried dolphin, which is my default, stock browser, and chrome. They ask display like this. I know it must be a setting but I don't know which one.

My wife is now giving my crap because my "fancy phone that I just can't leave alone isn't working right" and she "just knew I would break something“.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] dynospectrum:
You blocking ads? That's what it appears to be.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] TigerDNA:
Oh...... well crap.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] dynospectrum:
lol Just curious, did it end up being you had to disable ad blocking? In case anyone has the same problem. :)
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Anthony820:
Coming from a Note 1 where I had a nice capacitive button to activate search.

Really don't want to keep a widget on my home screen just to get to Google Now/Search, but can't figure out how to map a hardware button to it.

Help?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] htc6500uk:
What about a custom launcher with user defined functions invoked by a gesture?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Anthony820:
Ya, I suppose that fixes all my problems. I was trying to stick with touchwiz for once, but I've finally bit the bullet and went back to Nova.

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FoeKilla:
Google Now: hold home key / middle option
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dumbo53:
Another option: check out Swipepad!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] XxKINGxX2580:
I tried checking on my Galaxy S4 to see if there were any updates today, and instead of the usual no update available message I get, now it says:

"Failed to update software. Network or server error occurred. Try later or try using PC Kies"

I tried with Kies, but it said no update available.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Dustin.M650:
Mine comes up with the normal This Device is up to date.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] tonytien:
Probably just a temporary error. No update as of now.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] xda23:
I would not count on a update this month.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rippley05:
So the display at best buy which isn't linked to a carrier has a black dialer which is the same as the videos I've seen. Is this At&+ only? Does anyone Know of anything else that is different?

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[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Agent:
I believe the AT&T and a couple other carriers have a white dialer. Others are black. I like the black the best personally.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rippley05:
I guess the part where I mentioned at&t having a white dialer didn't make it in the OP

sEnt from thE noTe 3
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Agent:
Funny! lol

For sure the AT&T version is white, I have that particular one. I just can't remember who else has the white dialer in their ROM.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jcmarx:
So no factory way to toggle white to black on n900t? Hate the wire dialer and in other places like text but they do have strings to fix some of that.

Guess yet another reason to get a custom rom
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Agent:
Yeah a custom ROM is your best bet when we get it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] scott.deagan:
I am extremely disappointed that scrolling on the Note 3 isn't "buttery smooth" as claimed by many reviewers. I have found scrolling to be janky and jittery most of the time. It completely destroys the touch metaphor. I have posted some examples on YouTube. Unfortunately my camera isn't very good and doesn't shoot at a high enough frame-rate to show just how bad the problem really is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSG9SGP-hyc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq3hEDJWe5o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucDko2cQQhw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lri0VVQe078
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lordanas59:
This problem exists with all android device not just note 3.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tWoBrO:
Unfortunately i notice too, it's the thing i look first when using a new phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
I'm too lazy to shoot a video and I only viewed the first of the videos you posted. In it, you played with the Play Store. At first launch I got the same effect you did because the app is background loading a ton of graphics; some are still loading as you're scrolling. After about 10 seconds the images are cached and moving up and down the page is smooth. My N2 behaves exactly the same way.

I hope you and all those so deathly miserable plan on returning their N3's.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] scott.deagan:
I cannot return it, contrary to the UK's consumer protection legislation. For some reason, Phones4U believe that the UK legislation (14 day return policy) does not apply to the handsets it sells. Instead, I'm selling mine on Gumtree for £400 (which is £220 less than I bought it for). I should have known better and waited for a demo unit in the store so I could see how it performed instead of relying on reviews.

In regards to the Play Store video that you watched, that's an example of poorly implemented lazy loading. No other mobile platform on the market suffers from the same performance issue when executing lazy loaded listviews. Here's an example from another platform (I shot the video at 60FPS, unfortunately YouTube seems to have dropped the frame-rate when transcoding):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hbAFj75uH8

The above example is running on inferior hardware, yet it so much smoother and fluid. I understand that it's not exactly a like-for-like comparison, but it still leaves me dumbfounded that no-one at Samsung seem to care about user-experience.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MohJee:
You're comparing it with devices from other platforms. In that case, wouldn't it be more accurate to refer to android and Google in your comments instead of note3 and samsung ?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lynkchiz:
Just get the iphone 5 or 5s if a "buttery smooth" scrolling is your primary requirement. Im content with my note 3's scrolling and i came from an S3, i bought this phone to be a tool and to help me with everyday tasks. So the scrolling performance if its smooth or not isnt any of my concern.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] apd:
I agree. ios is all about a pretty experience (not they they have succeeded with ios 7). Pretty is not necessarily a bad thing but that is the prime focus for Sir Ive et al. That said, it is still a little surprising that a processor of the power of SD800 isn't always smooth!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lynkchiz:
I dont know about you guys. But i can pretty much survive with the scroll even with "Power Saving" on
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tWoBrO:
Me too. I can also survive if my Note 3 falls on the ground and breaks in five. Although, i might cry. :)

That's not the point. And the point is, this a brand new top of the line Android, that costed me 700€, and you have 3 years old iSomething with better scrolling and touch experience. It annoys me, but i can survive yeh.

Unfortunately i don't think there's an easy fix for this. I have used Android since 2009 and i haven't seen one without this "problem" and i have used all the Galaxy S line.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MohJee:
The phone is €700. The platform it runs on is free and open source (which has its advantages and disadvantages). I think you fell into the same boat as OP of confusing between the two. If it wasn't free, mind you, you'd be paying much more than 700€ as samsung would've transferred the cost licensing the OS to the end user (one of the many advantages). Android has a hundred more advantages over IOS, which you can easily Google, but I doubt you'll find "Android is more fluid than ios" listed as one of them, even in the most stingent android fan sites. Of course the overlay that samsung and other OEMs put on top of android doesn't help in that regard either.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] scott.deagan:
Thanks for the recommendation. If you look at the videos in my original post, you will see that I already have an iPhone 5. But that's beside the point. I'd like to know why we are in a position where consumers are expected to choose between smoothness and low latency, OR features and functionality. I was expecting the Note 3 to deliver both, and I simply fail to accept they're mutually exclusive.

When the every day tasks are jittery and janky, the user experience becomes jarring (every day).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MohJee:
Ignore. Double post.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] vtjay:
Gotta disagree here, the App Store on my iPhone 5 is horrid the first time it loads? Sometimes taking
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jlevy73:
You can read this article, has some interesting insight as to why Android is not as smooth as say iOS is. I don't own this device yet, but I've been using the HTC One which is the smoothest android experience I've had to date. It's still not as smooth as my wife's iPhone but it's approaching it.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Android-can-never-be-as-smooth-as-iOS-myth-busted_id26252
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tWoBrO:
I'm not confused at all, and i agree with you about the advantages of Android. I'm perfectly aware of that, that's why i bought one, and i have had many others, instead of an iOS device.

I will say it again, i have bought a Note 3 that costs about the same as an iPhone in my country. And that's because i think the Note is way better for my needs!

But this isn't a fight to see what OS is better, or what phone, i don't want to go there at all. I don't care about that. I'm just talking about a specific issue that bothers me with my phone, and that i have experience in my 4+ years experience with Android.

Every one wants more and better, i'm no different. Apparently some ppl don't care about this issue, others don't even see it, but i do and i would like it to be a little better. Don't see what the problem is here.

Your suggestion is, i need to accept it because this how Android works? I should be satisfied with that, because this is a chronicle issue? C'mon now, i will never be satisfied with anything ever! I will always want more. That's my nature.

Ok, enough. :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MohJee:
Of course, I feel the same way exactly. I want the best of both worlds. This is the nature of all human beings. Without it, civilization itself wouldn't have existed :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hagba:
I think Android will never be at scrolling as IOS,for two reasons:

1-Its based on Java and thats one slow animal,I told this in this same forum when I first got my Note one almost 2 years ago,and recieved unconvincing answers.

2-While scrolling, IOS stops all and every background processing meanwhile Android keeps tens of them running .
[Galaxy Note 3 General] vtjay:
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[Galaxy Note 3 General] flybass:
I'm not the most informed, but I believe that Java has drastically improved in speed (JIT and I think you can use JNI). Also, 2 seems to be from Munn's piece (which is inaccurate).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hagba:
Yes the same old reply, let me see, Note one was dual core, Note II quad, now Notee 3 has what octa core? And yet the same complains.not to mention the tripled RAM.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] TheBenzinator:
Is it Snapdragon or Exynos variant?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] airyras:
Ive owned the s3 s4 and now note 3. And never noticed any lag or if there was any it didnt bother me like it was the end of the world. I guess im not tech nerd that buys a phone and looks for flaws in it and go complain on a forum. Just my 2 cents
[Galaxy Note 3 General] flybass:
I admit that there is lag. I'm just not sure if it is android or the manufacturers cutting corners. For instance, my nexus 7 lagged a ton because of the ****ty memory that Asus chose to use.

Edit: Just to elaborate - I remember looking at the specs and being so excited about the quadcore tegra. However, multitasking was a joke thanks to the memory having slow concurrent read and write operations. Memory read/write speeds is a spec you never see on the technical specifications sheet, but that destroyed the n7 2012 (people now mistake trim as the solution). It is really hard to get a picture of the bottleneck in a specific device without a fair amount of hands on usage.

Thanks to the multitude of android devices released by Samsung/HTC/Moto/etc, I don't believe they are particularly invested in the quality of each release.

Having said that, I'm still getting the N3 (my gnex has totally fallen apart).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tWoBrO:
Why some people get offended when someone points out a problem in their phones is behind me. It's not your child we are talking about, it's just a freaking phone. MY phone, that I paid for.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] scott.deagan:
It's the SnapDragon 800 version.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] vtjay:
Given all the animations added in ios7, it may be smooth but there is pause between every action. And it's also introduce jitters. Plus, the App Store is buggy and you can't scroll at all until things are done loading. Long story short, there is no perfect system.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mancuk29:
If u bought it on line and phones4u posted it to u , you are covered by the distance selling regulations and their own company policy can't override this .. If u picked it up in store then as a consumer unless the handset is faulty when u get it home u are not entitled to any refund as they law says you can view the phone and it's performance before you leave the store

If you ordered it online you need to go back to them and quote the distance selling regulations and tell them they are talking crap

Three do it also if you out your sim in it your not entitled to a refund which is wrong the only time dsr doesn't come into play is with software
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bruce lee roy:
You should try n4, It's pretty much lag free from what I've seen. Much of lag I believe comes from TW overlay they Sammy puts on their phones.

Oh and if I paid $700 for a new phone, I'd expect pretty much lag free as well.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mi7chy:
The first is a Google Play issue and doesn't reflect on the device under normal use. The old Google Play used to be fine until it got changed to the current layout. This is like complaining your car in reverse isn't very fast.

Perhaps related is I was playing around with a Note 8 at Costco and connected it to my hotspot to browse the web. It happened to notify an OTA update which I applied and afterwards the browser scrolling became jittery so definitely software/driver related so correctable.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zanr Zij:
You shoud try:

- Crossbreeder

- Android System Pro

My Note 2 on 4.3 leaked is smoother than before.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BoneXDA:
You find a lag on my Nexus 4 and I'll buy you a purple guinea pig.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jlevy73:
The point though is that on a device this powerful, one shouldn't need hacks or mods for a completely fluid experience.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Zanr Zij:
My phone scroll smoother than S4 and Note 3 ( on Youtube clips ) :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] yahyoh:
1- the new Google play sucks its stutter like ***** when scrolling here and there ( shame on u Android team :eek: :silly: )

2- PCMag doesn't seems normal webpage ( its more like pdf ) :eek:

3- the verge work very smooth on my Note 2 on chrome and stock browser
[Galaxy Note 3 General] yahyoh:
[YOUTUBE]LY-KuPhC0Y0[/YOUTUBE]

:D:D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] scott.deagan:
Thanks for agreeing regarding the Google Play store :)

In regards to your second point (PCMag not being a normal webpage) - then WHY on earth does it function flawlessly on iOS? Instead of dismissing it as a fringe case (don't forget, there are many such "fringe cases" on the Interwebs), why aren't we asking "why?" and "what's going to be done about it?". I have been told (and I don't know if this is true) that Android browsers do not use hardware accelerated canvas rendering.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] yahyoh:
because its only optimized for IOS :( :eek:

LOL its funny if u load the desktop version it will work smooth :silly:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] HitBobLer:
I am so sorry you had to deal with phones4u. They are complete dickheads
[Galaxy Note 3 General] david_lfc:
Recent updates seem to have made the experiance more smooth. Still not ios level but better. Really noticed when using Twitter widget.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jah:
So why are you surprised by the N3 performance on scrolling as it is very similar to the S4? In fact all those that complain should know better if the scrolling is a Sammy issue. For the record i think the Note 3 is fantastic.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tWoBrO:
I'm not surprised. I'm slightly pissed that this issue it's still here, after all this years of Android development.

But like you, i think Note 3 is a fantastic phone. That's why i bought it. But that doesn't mean i don't see a couple of spots where it can be better.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jah:
And the iPhone does not even have user replaceable batteries no wacom digitiser no micro sd slot and small screen with relatively low resolution- so much room for improvement but still sells well. Perhaps this is because in the round it does work or perhaps people buy it to watch it scroll.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] yahyoh:
One big problem in android when scrolling the garbage collector which cuz the ****ing stuttering some times :silly:

http://developer.android.com/training/custom-views/optimizing-view.html
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tWoBrO:
I'm sorry, what are you talking about?

I have a Note 3, that i bought with my own money, i don't have an iPhone. But i'm perfectly aware of the differences between them, that's why i chose to have an Android phone. I didn't pick the Note 3 instead of an iPhone, they are not even in the same league.

That was a pretty weird post, jah.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dral29:
I, too, had a S3 before the note 3 and I, too agree with your opinion on the subjet. I think this is a good phone to have.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tWoBrO:
No one said this isn't a good phone to have (it's a fantastic phone!!!). We are talking about one single issue.

Some ppl notice this more then others, some want this solved and some don't care at all. That's fine, but NO ONE is saying the Note 3 is a bad phone FFS. Stop taking everything so personal, it's just a phone!

I have one, and i don't like this and that, but i love a bunch of other things. That's perfectly normal. Do i really need to enumerate every single thing i like about the phone before i point out something i don't like or i would like it to work better?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mi7chy:
This is a silly comparison because iPhone is not only lower resolution and only pushing a third of the pixels but is also displaying less content (in one example you had three articles displayed on Note 3 vs two on iPhone), on a smaller display so that's going to contribute to masking some things that's easier seen on a larger display and running on a more bland/featureless OS. Furthermore...

1) Video 1 shows a Google Play store issue which has nothing to do with the phone. The layout changed very recently, again, where it's now much more responsive. For example, Games > Top Paid scrolls very smoothly now.

2) Use the Internet browser as it's more optimized for the device than Chrome. Also, turn off any processing that may affect performance such as disabling 'Text booster' while enabling 'Preload webpages Always'.

3) mobile.pcmag.com site is a POS with ads that affect scrolling. PCMag, Google News and The Verge are perfectly fine in full desktop mode.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] batna.antab:
You went complete off topic, but no one said that the iPhone is better so you don't need to be so defensive but this doesn't mean that the note 3 has no flaw and the scrolling is one of these.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dral29:
My opinion is because accept it like a festivity day. iPhone is the only phone that I noticed people are willing to a just like a "Hajj" journey for it...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
Yes scrolling is an issue on Android, even on the Nexus 4 (I have one).

Samsung seems worse and that's probably due to the TW interface.

iOS is smoother no doubt and gives better user experience overall. However it's so restricted simply things aren't possible.

Scrolling issue for me is not a deal braker.