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[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] blktalon:
I'm sure they monitor forums to some degree and when you see posts like "I flashed the wrong rom and bricked my phone. How do I make it so they can't tell?" And the like. If they have a bunch of bricked phones coming back it costs them and the carrier money. Buying a phone for 250 that is an 800 dollar phone does not constitute ownership. If you brick your phone flashing or rooting it is your fault. But most will pack it up and bring it back. Those are the people that have caused this. Just because they are a big company doesn't mean they should foot the bill for idiots and cheats. If you paid full price they should give you whatever you want. People have to realize that if just 1% are bricked and replaced it's a huge and preventable expense. Hello locked bootloader.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] NoobDude:
Signed and shared!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jazzespresso:
signed! Now it says 8 more NEEDED, hopefully!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] ppcvn:
I'm last people
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Face_Plant:
Signed!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Rukbat:
That may be the excuse of the day, but it doesn't wash. It's very easy to brick the phone without tripping the Knox flag, then bringing it back to them for a replacement. The policy should be more in line with what the EU forced on carriers - if what I did didn't cause the problem, they still have to cover it. If bringing a phone that's been in my pocket all day in 95 degree weather into my 72 degree house causes the glass to crack, AT&T shouldn't be able to get out of fixing it because I rooted the phone (or even replaced the entire kernel, bootloader and Android code). If I root the phone and brick it in the process, that's my problem.

GM can't void the warranty on your engine because you have your oil changes done by Joe the mechanic down the block (although they used to be able to). But they CAN void the warranty if Joe didn't notice the sand falling into the oil fill hole.

Let's face it - AT&T is doing whatever will maximize the bottom line. In this case it's, "Hey, Mr. CEO. If your employees want to use their personal phones to do company business, we have phones on which you can wipe all company data, without touching their personal data, if you want security."

But guess what? 1) It doesn't work. Knox has more holes than Swiss cheese. And 2) wouldn't something like Safestrap have done the job better? Get to work, boot into the slot named "work". Leave work and boot into the slot named "personal". When you leave the company, the IT department activates the work slot and does a full wipe. Simple, trivial, and it has absolutely no effect on the probably 80% of people who don't put company data on their personal phones.

But "we have ordinary phones" doesn't bring in the big bucks - "we have special phones" does. And that's all they've ever cared about, since long before "the Mother" was split up - how much profit can it get them? It takes something like the unlocking bill or the Cartephone decision to make them do something that doesn't put immediate money in their pockets. Maybe seeing that they're going to lose customers over this (or have some congresscritter ram a law they don't like down their throats) will make them rethink their decision.

Can you imagine if Dell said that installing a dual boot with Linux on your Dell computer voided the hardware warranty? 2300 Greenlawn Blvd. in Round Rock would be a vacant building instead of Dell's corporate headquarters.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] blktalon:
I agree and wasn't excusing the problem at all. My point was there should be some way to register and have the bootloader unlocked and at the same time flags your phone. You still have the manufacturers warranty on the hardware unrelated to the bootloader and flashing but if you have no idea what you're doing and brick your nice new phone it's on you. If all the hardware is intact but you unlocked and subsequently flashed a bad rom or wrong rom so sad to bad. If your screen breaks I'm pretty sure any manufacturer won't cover it, known flaw or not unless they admit it and offer a warranty exchange. The bottom line is this **** comes from people being cheats and thieves on both levels. Corporate and consumer.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Rukbat:
No truer words were ever spoken. Torrents used to be a great way to get a large file to a lot of people without using a ton of server space. Then people started using it to steal intellectual property, and in the US, ISPs have to actively prevent their customers from using torrents, even if the files are being torrented by the people who own them.

It's always the few who screw it up for the many.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] electrofryed:
Signed

AT&T Note 3 KK Bobcat
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gary02468:
The difficulty is that rooting can cause problems in so many ways that it can be almost impossible (or can cost more than the value of the phone) to determine if it was the cause of the problem. For example, a rooted phone can overclock enough to cause hardware damage. Even if you then restore the software to its unrooted state, the damage remains.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] noahk11:
Very cool to see this is still going!

Out of curiosity... I have seen petitions like this for phones before. Have we ever gotten a response out of them?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] kangi26:
Signed!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Rukbat:
Crickets, mostly.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] SilverSurferTDR:
Signed - Blitzed - i don't care if it seems ineffectual... it's not. A growing number of people participating might eventually make a difference. It doesn't take much to give it a try. Thanks for this OP and whoever else is or decides involved.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Doug B:
Signed. Why not. Maybe it will work. Fingers crossed.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] graydiggy:
Incorrect. A phone that is ONLY rooted cannot over clock. You need a custom kernel to OC with root to allow it. Also root does not cause any issues at all. It is what a person does with root that can cause issues. You can't blame root for people being stupid.

Also, what a ton of people are failing to see here is that it isn't about stopping warranty fraud. It never has been. It's about added security to get corporate money. I can easily flash something to my phone to brick it or cause it to act improperly on purpose, and then claim warranty.

For example, I could get a big scratch on my screen... I don't like scratches... I don't like scratches at all. Then I could easily turn around restore my phone back to stock, then flash an international modem to my device.

I will no longer have a signal, my phone number, IMEI, and network would be unreadable through the software and the rest of the software from booting time to actual functionality will be messed up. At that point, I'd could claim software issues and get a new phone for free.

That is only one of the dozens of ways to do it. Do I condone it? No. I do not and neither does XDA. But the bottom line is, it is still very easy to purposely or unintentionally mess up a phone and claim warranty.

What they are doing does not stop it in the least and in fact makes it easier to render a device unusable and unfixable by the end user. We used to be able to fix hard bricks with a hardware mod on certain phones. (Not with J-Tag), we used to be able to easily recover from a bad flash, we used to be able to do what we wanted with what we paid for. Now, we can't even do that after the device is off contract and paid for in full. It's unacceptable.

I pay a subsidy to make up for the cost of the device. I should be able to do whatever I want with it.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] noahk11:
Agreed, I don't know why AT&T and Samsung are so ignorant about this. I mean somebody has to know that we are upset, and they just don't give a crap. Most android users don't even know what root or ROMs are, much less how to navigate and follow instructions about how to do it on a forum thread, I know having an unlocked bootloader on our phone wouldn't effect them in the slightest. So why the hell do they care so much about it being locked in the first place?!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jfenton57:
Signed.

It is the one issue I have with coming over to ATT which I have done.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gary02468:
Of course not. The point is that rooting is prerequisite to driver modification. So an obstacle to rooting is an obstacle to overclocking.

Sure it does. What they're doing poses an obstacle to rooting. The obstacle isn't insurmountable, but it's enough to stop the vast majority of users. As a result, AT&T has to deal with vastly fewer rooting-related problems than they would if rooting could happen as an effortless side-effect of installing various apps that naive users could download from the app store.

I agree. You can modify its software or even its hardware however you like. But AT&T doesn't have to make it easy for you to do so, and doesn't have to continue warranty support if you do so.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] GermanBrot:
They dont care about driver modification more than they care about free tethering on internet you are already paying for. Only they would like to double dip and charge you twice for the same data you already paid for.

the obstacle is just that... basically a delay, or slightly extra work. I dont know if you understand human nature... but if a person wants to root... I mean really wants it, and understands why they want it... it WILL be rooted. All they are doing is pissing off their customers. I helped a young girl root her note 3 who has zero experience on the other side of the country! Once there is a method to rooting... and it only takes one method, than the process can be streamlined into a single click if the dev so desires. People who root, live and love this stuff. Who is better "customer support" for ANY SINGLE detail that could go wrong with a device, us? or AT&T employees rocking iphones? Just like the "Prevention Intervention" error message that popped up a hundred times a day when the device was new... I fixed that, and I also fixed it for those who wanted it gone. AT&T said an update in the next few months or so... no eta.... will fix it.

AT&T is only in business because they gave us service that we thought is worth paying for. You start messing with that, and you start losing business. Who decides what sells, AT&T? or the nerds here? As far as I see, the nerds are the real trend setters. Were we not on Android before it was "popular"? We made it popular... not at&t. Everyone comes to us to fix anything... computers, iphones, androids, hair dryers, everything. We are at&t's best salespeople out there... we work for free and sell what is BEST to the people who come to us for advice and troubleshooting. You do make valid points and agree with some of it, but its starting to get real when they mess with our open boxes, creativity, and innovation. Its not what Android is all about.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] mrao:
Signed..hopefully it works out
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] inferno8420:
Signed! Finger crossed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] BR7fan:
I have officially lost hope. I'm going to miss the size and power of the GN3,but I don't like being restricted. I'm going to get the HTC M8.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] kangi26:
As of this moment 1671 people signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] aarizaga:
Signed!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] JRCARRERAS:
Signed!!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] andr8:
Signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Face_Plant:
I got a few of my buddies to sign. Up to 1,680 signatures now!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] K-alz:
Signed. FTW

Sent from my SM-N900A
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] dsmboost:
Signed.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] adrsuhen:
Signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] shanimujib:
Thanks!

I'm not a developer and I'm not in position to purchase a T-mobile Note 3. This thread at least provided me with something... some action to take... I'm on it!

-Thanks

:fingers-crossed:
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] shanimujib:
K, I did my part. AT&T has officially blocked me from their Facebook page...

:rolleyes:
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] knoshann:
Signed lol^
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Face_Plant:
Lol nice! I think I'll start spamming them until I'm blocked as well.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] ceelo2008:
Signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] cigarillocitti:
lol is this still going your not gunna stop money with signatures
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] TTLayland:
Blasted the fb page. Give us an htc unlock option Samsung
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] FtaWolf:
Well to beat it all, setting here in Starbucks going use attwifi. Note fun part is it wouldn't let me connect to xda forum. Turned off wifi & now can search xda forums. Talk about wanting to be controlling. At&t should be ashamed.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] K-alz:
Wow. This is my last phone with AT&T.

from my 3rd note...!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Waynehead69:
I just signed, had I known I would have signed sooner!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] dxp2_sw:
I signed it and shared on Facebook, Twitter, and Google+
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] kenscivic:
I'm signed up!!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] rambo6:
Samsung has now completely caved to AT&T. I've cast my vote by not only signing the petition but I'm done buying Samsung products with locked bootloaders. In fact, I passed up the Note 3 and bought a Nexus 5. The Nexus 5 is easy to root and it has global LTE unlike the paltry 2 or 3 LTE bands Samsung is putting in its region-locked phones. My next buy will be a LG G3 or Nexus 6. I'm through with this carrier controlled hardware BS. Google's project Ara will be wildly successful and hopefully break the necks of the controlling carrier beasts and allow true competition in the phone hardware market place.

Also, the new boyz on the block - One Plus, Huawei, and Oppo should also provide compelling products at competitive prices.

The carriers will have to compete on the price and quality of their data for once. Glorious days lie ahead.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] rekamyenom:
There are over 5.5 MILLION XDA Members with 50K logged in at any given time, Spread the word to sign the petition! It should be mandatory for all XDA members to sign it. Spread the Word !! XDA alone should be able to generate 100K Signatures !!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] hp79:
But does this get us anywhere? I signed long time ago, but change.org looks like scam to me. They ask $100 for showing (advertising) to 500 potential people. T-mobile's Note3 is not locked, so why would anyone in their right mind waste their time and try to crack AT&T version of Note3? I'm kicking myself for upgrading to NC2 Kitkat, and believe there won't be any further development, not even root. I'm done with AT&T as soon as my contract is over next April. I called today to their retention department, and mentioned t-mobile paying up ETF and their cheaper plans. I got $50 credit from them. I'm going to call and ask for these kind of retention credit every time there is a chance.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] CyberGhos:
I don't see a pettition going anywhere. They aren't going to change unless the law requires them to change or see bunch of customers leaving taking their profit away. And we will never see that either because this country is about big coorporations, and all their competitors are kind of doing the same thing one way or another. We are helpless and hopeless. We are desperate :(.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] edounn:
signed and shared.

this is unreal. I broke my galaxy note 3, and bought another one.. (both full price) and didn't get around to rooting my new one in time.

going to return my second one. it might be a small gesture, but this behavior cannot be tolerated.

could I bother anyone for a 1+ invite, please!

also, just a few words to others who are viewing this as hopeless. just a friendly reminder. We're actually the ones in charge. We are the exact people who encourage others to buy tech. We are the people who can choose what to buy, and what we advise others to buy. We are actually completely in charge. We shall never fear a company! They are nothing without us! This is just a reminder; that if we do nothing, then nothing is done, and companies will ACTIVELY take advantage of it. The future of this mentallity will cost us our internet and the ability to create new and better things.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] 903tex:
Money is the problem. Samsung wants to make more money and keep it coming and by doing security measure makes the masses more comfortable and has iPhone users wanting to switch to android feel they have the same security as their iPhone by switch to Samsung. It's time to move on to phones with better ways of root and custom roms if that's what you are looking for. If you stay hope your doing it for the Samsung features cause if not then sell it while you can get a decent penny on the note.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Phatboyj420:
Both Samsung & AT&T will be getting posts from me daily until there is an acceptable resolution.

I've got 2 days left to decide wether or not to return my Note 3 in exchange for the HTC One M8 I just hope I'm making the right descission by holding out for eventual root for the Note 3 that I got 10 days ago with 4.4.2 NCS already on it.

EDIT

I got lucky as far as I was able to get AT&T to exchange my device for one still on MJ5 JB

Thanks to a suggestion some one else made here on XDA about doing the same at a SES in Best Buy

The problem for me was that I didn't buy mine from BB but from AT&T directly. Any how without the before mentioned suggestion I might not have thought to do this and would have been stuck with an unrootable Note 3 like many others are still.

I love XDA it and its members posts are helpful beyond imagine.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Knight-Rider:
Phatboyj420 can you let me know what exactly you did at Best Buy and you who you spoke to? I would like to swap my Note 3 as well. Thanks.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jondoe27:
Just signed. There are more than 2000 signatures already.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Just went and signed the petition hopefully this will get some steam
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Phatboyj420:
It depends If you bought yours Originally from Best Buy Or At&t.

If Best-Buy

THen you should go to the nearest Best-Buy that has a Samsung Experience Shop "A.K.A.=SES" with-in and tell them that your job requires you to use apps that are not currently compatible with Kit-Kat, " if they ask you are not entirely sure which apps at the moment, you just know what your boss told you "play dumb"" There-fore you need to exchange your hopefully newly purchased Note-3 for one that is still running JB they can tell simply by looking at the SoftWare Version# on the side of the box the one u need will be SW-VER : N900AUCUBMJ5, OR similar ending in MI1, MI9, or NB4 "all are Jelly Bean", You just don't wan't one ending in NC2=Kit-Kat. " I am not entirely sure on the NB4 model but i'm pretty sure I read that it can be rooted via Kingo-Root's newest version "

They will find the model # you're looking for on the side of the box where all of the bar codes are at the top left of the barcode sticker, they/you will see

SM-N900A In Bold directly underneath it will say

Phone Made In Korea directly underneath is the # you are referencing, to them. If you are lucky they will have one in stock still on JB if not, I personally would try every BB's SES around, closest first of-course

Note: the store hours listed online for the BB SES is 9am in reality they don't open the SES until 11:00am I found this the hard way

If AT&T

All that being said if you are like me and did not originally purchase your device at or from BB, and instead purchased at or from AT&T directly

then you will have to do as I did instead.

Which is simply follow the same advice " as detailed above in the (if Best-Buy) section ", but go to the closest AT&T company store instead.

Again if one store doesn't have it or is unwilling to exchange try another I had on my side the fact that it was within the AT&T 14 day allotted exchange/return period

Also

I told them that the color didn't matter as long as it's on JB I went in with a black Kit-Kat and came out with a smile, and a White Jelly-Bean Note 3

I have to the best of my ability shared all the knowledge I can think to be relevantly helpful

I hope this helps
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Knight-Rider:
The problem is I purchased it from Craigslist but meet the person at an AT&T. The idiot I purchased it from had just updated to Kit Kat a few days before I purchased it. So my question to you now would be wth do I do now lol. I don't think AT&T would swap it out just like that especially since I don't have insurance on it, there's nothing wrong with the phone they'll pull that card on me. Thanks
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] BerkleyJ:
I am selling my Note 3 still running Jelly Bean on Swappa if anyone is interested. http://swappa.com/listing/XUM546/view
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] wilkerjnc:
Signing the Petition.

Was 2066, now 2067.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] moin786:
Please spread this message to everyone and keep this thread active guys...
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] SpikeyPsyche:
Yes... Not like it's a lost cause or anything...
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] jondoe27:
At&T doesn't care because they are backed up by a taxpayers monies (aka "Goverment"). A company like AT&T couldn't survive w/o "assistance" and would be broke a long time ago if there was a real competitor's market (aka a "capitalistic enterprise"). AT&T(and Verizon) has became a public utility company as soon as they started to dig in to the public funds. So all the loses will be covered by the taxpayers.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] picketteli:
done

done and my gf signed to :good:
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] thingnblah:
Signed. Though I only show 9 signatures including mine . . .
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] seanu13:
Signed. I only see 15 others. come on people it can take literally less than 30 seconds to sign this. Takes no effort and may not help but it can't hurt.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] darth_twins:
Signed :)
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] sodomanaz:
Signed. Pretty disappointing, but I am guessing they are trying to eliminate bad returns.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Jayster0966:
Signed, and posted on their Facebook pages voicing our concern. Long shot I think, but hopefully someone is listening.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] ksprelude01:
I'm IN!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] SuperSHO:
Signed, I made 40.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] bkeaver:
Huge waste of time I'm afraid. I don't care if they have 1,000,000 signatures they aren't going to care. But hey good luck
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] chrisrotolo:
*signed , they should at least allow us a developer unlock like HTC etc, where we can enter device specific code like IMEI and it clearly warns us of any danger.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Sam3gX:
Signed, I made 50.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Con_Valian:
Signed! We'll see what happens.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Hoseme:
Signed and shared!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] fabolous04:
signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] tsanchez31:
Signed as well
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] seetully:
Signed.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] msbtt:
Signed and shared.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] DustinKimble:
Signed.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] chrisbazz:
Signed your petition.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] martinezma99:
#87