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[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] crawrj:
Thank you. That is a much better way of making your point. But I still don't agree :D

I understand what AT&T thinks they are trying to do. But how many people do you think brick from rooting when there is a simple straight forward rooting method on an unlocked bootloader? Now how many people do you think brick the phone because the boot loader is locked? I would say the latter is much higher. And everyone knows that the bootloader will be unlocked, so I still think it is all pointless to begin with.

And if people are going to brick the phone on purpose to do an exchange then they can brick it much easier with a locked bootloader. And if they are going to do it then they are going to find a way. Pouring water in the phone. Shorting it out. Whatever the case may be. People have been doing it long before smart phones came around.

And I say we should be able to do whatever we want with our phones :cool: Because we own the hardware. It is ours. And the phone is no where near a paper weight without service. It is a small computer. Which leads to my next point. Both of your examples are talking about doing something illegal. In the case of Dish you don't own the equipment. When the contract is over they get it back. The Wii example is over reaching and about illegal activity. If I wanted to install hacked software on the phone I don't have to be rooted. If I want free tethering I don't have to be rooted. Phones are largely rooted for good reasons. Theming, doing full backups, easy way of switching versions, changing how things operate, legally etc... So can your internet provider lock down your home computer because they provide the service? Or probably the most accurate example, remember WAY back when PeoplePC was selling computers with internet service. Did they lock down the computer because they sold you hardware that you own but also provided internet service?

I just think it is a waste of time an energy to do what they are doing. In my opinion they are only making things worse. They are going to see a growth in device returns. If they embraced Android fully and stopped trying to defeat it by locking it down, I am willing to bet the number of returns would decrease. And we all know that it is going to get unlocked anyway. So I say again, what have they accomplished?

In the end we can agree that the petition and not buying the phone probably won't change anything. But if people want to try, that is their right. No need to bash them for it. For the rest, we can agree to disagree. I am OK with that. We are individuals with our own ideas. That is what makes us great. So no hard feelings :good:
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] bsw11:
Is there any a details on how they locked it? And if they are capable of unlocking it, I am sure that a good dev will find a fix soon. So we wait.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Blairware:
So - as I stated in the OP - I NEVER expected this to make AT&T say "Wow! We had NO IDEA! We really messed up on THIS one.... What say we unlock it and give free ones out to all those we inconvenienced!"

But I will say this: To all you negative vibe "This isn't going to change any minds at AT&T" attitudes out there: I have been getting email from all over - and guess what: I did SOMETHING, and I had my say and AT&T at least saw my little blip on their radar. You go ahead and NOT buy the device you want... That'll show em! If they sell a LOT less Notes, then they will just discontinue the phone. And never know why. I want them to hear that this "tiny" contingent" is unhappy. AND... they know that we are the folks that people ask when they are buying a new device. So do nothing... That will be sure to change nothing... I am quite sure that 99% of the folks who BOTHERED to sign knew that it was nothing more than a statement. I am quite sure they didn't expect the above scenario or anything remotely like that to happen. Why be so negative?

To the guy who named our root "Root de la vega": You sir, are a genius. That is the message. I have 5 lines and I am stuck at AT&T for the present. Not gonna take this ^%%# quietly. That is all.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
They are gonna sell a small enough amount of Notes to discontinue the line because people who are upset with the bootloader being locked aren't going to buy them?

No disrespect, but you are grossly over estimating how many people would actually do this. If they sell 10 million Note 3's, I bet you a couple thousand people at most might not buy it because of that. Not even a drop in the bucket for them to discontinue the line.

And look, I'm not trying to bash you. But this is just another prime example of petitions and protests in America. The people who lead them or are involved in them think they are making a much larger difference than they really are. It happens all the time.

If protests and petitions were working more times than not, then SeaWorld wouldn't exist, dog breeders wouldn't exist, etc, etc, etc.

Samsung is selling millions upon millions of phones. 300+ people signing this petition won't even show up in their trash can at the office building.

Just being realistic.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Bladerunner1825us:
It'd be nice if Samsung pulled an HTC and set up a bootloader unlock code and put the option back into our hands. Wishful thinking i know haha
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Skizzy034:
I bet a bootloader unlock would be easier to get if some people didn't care whether the KNOX flag was tripped. Holding it back?

People wanna flash things but are too worried about their warranty status. If so, don't flash anything. Stay stock.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] lamwong3:
Sign.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Roundtableprez:
Even if this did happen we would still be screwed. Unlocking HTC bootloader from at&t is a pain in the ass
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Skizzy034:
I think a bootloader unlock would have happened by now. It's anyone even working on one?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Archaenon:
So much negativity.

On the other hand, I'm sure ATT is laughing all the way to the bank, but don't rain on the OP for at least getting some word out there. I'm sure the bootloader will be unlocked by someone soon. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot more locked everything soon with the way things are going.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] willblake13:
I gave my 2 cents.

Please go look at what I wrote on AT&T's facebook wall. I wrote a freaking book.

And why does it only have to be 300 people signing? Come one now, just go find an old phone book people! LOL
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] redneck_666:
Just did, and added my own $0.02.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] solaris2k:
it's a pipe dream but I signed it anyway...hey we can dream right lol. remember how many people they screwed over with grandfathered unlimited data plans... the reason I haven't left them is because my girl's line still has unlimited data I don't want to screw her out of service she's already very used to and their service in general has gotten better in my area plus I cant afford the early termination fees at the moment I have too many open lines lol :(
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] phi11yphan:
Signed. It won't cause any change, but the OP at least is trying to make a positive difference for the technical consumer. (All other users could care less, which is why only 4000 will sign out of the 4 million that buy.)

Don't bash the OP. Everyone complaining is passively venting to each other. A petition is an active approach. (Another active approach is to code around it or help coders test their work. Or... just live with it.)
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] JVogler:
Signed...
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] tenemortem88:
signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Vlade12:
Got my signature too!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] MrPlNK:
Signed!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] LuckyColdJohnson:
Signed and posted > Please join this campaign/sign petition: http://chn.ge/192KeHy <-

@ a lot of sites. Facebook has temporally banned me from posting. I went to At&t's Facebook and Samsung's.

LOL. Haters. I'm going to keep doing it to. Every freaking day!!!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] kennonk:
Every cause starts somewhere. If everyone was as cynical as this then our community wouldn't exist. Back in the 90's people like you said all of these same things to those of us trying to bring Linux into the enterprise world. Word for word these were the same things those negative people used to say. "Just being realistic...blah blah" Over and over people like you are proven wrong. And to post negative comments like this on a thread where someone is trying to push the cause forward for change is just trolling. Cloak it in "just being realistic" all you want, it is what it is. I hope that no one pays any attention to comments like this and every single member of XDA whether they own an AT&T note3 or not should sign to get some attention.

Every idea starts small. It is only through the tireless efforts of a devoted few tha those small ideas become big ones.

Oh by the way, it is only through the efforts of a small group of us that the FCC is now seriously considering mandating that wireless carriers unlock phones automatically at the end of a contract period for that device. This is real progress that only 18 months ago people were laughing at saying it would never happen. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...irman-presses-carriers-to-unlock-cell-phones/
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] redstar299:
The petition should be to Samsung not ATT. It's their request but ultimately Samsung manufacturers the phone
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] kobos311:
I just had a thought on the bootloader.. Anyone looked for a backdoor via the Galaxy gear? I mean there hasta be some way in. Just thought back to a few odd ball pain in the ass bootloader and root process. Just a thought if I owned a gear I'd look into it. Given I've grown to like just working with xposed framework.. But this bootloader has been locked long enough

And wow.. I just realized I really need to update. My signature hahaha
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] ALBERTOSCLN:
Signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] GbrilliantQ:
Signed and tweeted to my 306,000 followers.

Sent from my Note 3
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] willblake13:
Pardon me if I turn out to be mistaken, but I think you, my friend are mistaken. AT&T S4's seem to be experiencing the most problems from the bootloader being locked down. Samsung also "manufactures" the Google edition of the s4 but that doesn't mean they own AOSP. Have you seen the amount of bloat ware carriers pack our phones with today? What makes you think they couldn't lock a bootloader if they wanted to? I'm not trying to verbally attack you, I just feel very strongly about the issue.

---------- Post added at 08:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:14 AM ----------

On another note, I wonder if anyone has tried using Kali Linux to unlock this thing. Backtrack/Kali Linux got me into a lot of trouble in high school, but that was one freaking awesome pen testing operating system.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] tracyirvin:
galaxy

I will sign in a heartbeat
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] sonicthoughts:
The BEST way to make this happen - The FCC

Super easy and a new chairman!

If you want to complain then write the fcc: http://www.fcc.gov/complaints

I tried to purchase a new Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Without a contract at full retail price. AT&T. I would like to modify the phone for a visual impairment application. AT&T has a phone unlock policy: https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/client/en_US/"

They have limited the unlock definition saying it does not apply to an "unlocked bootloader" which is necessary to modify the device. AT&T and Verizon are the only worldwide carriers with this practice. They have added custom software to permanently destroy the device if tampered with. They created a shadow policy on bootloaders:http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tloaders-so-stop-asking-us-about-every-phone/.

The claim "To ensure a safe and consistent experience on your wireless device, we do not support unlocked bootloaders" is nonsense since they allow ANY GSM device on their network. Please add bootloaders explicitly to the FCC unlock policy.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] JVogler:
If only there were enough hours in the the day to physically picket AT&T stores, that might get their attention.

Note 3 -- Tapatalk
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Gary02468:
There are enough hours in the day if you care enough about this issue. But no one does.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Bataga:
Are they all owned by att?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Jayster0966:
No, you have basically 3 categories.

AT&T Company Store, AT&T Authorized retailer, and some third party stores.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] UniX1rm:
Awesome. I'll set up bots to spam att marketing systems and emails so someone would take this seriously over there. Not about just the bootloader but the concept as well with their non sense statements.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] LuckyColdJohnson:
Doesn't matter what we do. This phone will never have an unlocked bootloader. Best thing to do is never buy a Samsung/AT&T phone again. I'm going Google Editions from now on.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] goojman:
I just signed it & even if it annoys one Exec, that made my day!! This locked bootloader is bull****! I've owned every Galaxy phone since they've been selling them & I can guarantee you that from now on my future cell phones will be a Nexus!! Without a doubt!!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] freakboy13:
Signed!!!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] specineff:
Signed!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] the2rrell:
Signed!!!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] bbc nova:
Signed!!!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] CreamyNougat:
Did we post links to this petition on the other providers' Note 3 forae?

Let's get all our Note 3 brothers to help with this!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Jammol:
Signed and cancelled my account. Rep told me I was foolish to do so because straighttalk doesnt have reliable service, which is funny because its straighttalk at&t.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Little Bigboy:
What a bunch of mouth breathers they have running ATT . Signed!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] khoury1:
Signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] WhatzinyourphonE:
Signed

P.A.C Man
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] machhho:
Signed !!!

348 NEEDED
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Maximumevo:
Signed. Something needs to give...
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] edessa:
Signed.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] soljafree:
Signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] LordGeek:
Signed

Posted by LordGeek via his Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 smartphone using Tapatalk Pro.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] drwario:
Signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] siralsmooth:
Signed, hopefully we see the result we want.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] hobbit19:
Signed, hopefully we see the result we want.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] machhho:
everyone can sign more than once , this is what I did .
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] TechGoon954:
Signed! 311 to go
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] juancarlos5:
Signed

Enviado desde mi SAMSUNG-SM-N900A mediante Tapatalk
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] SunnyOK:
Signed!

Want to unlock bootloader.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] l330n:
Signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] MattMJB0188:
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but we had the same petitions for the att S4 and nothing ever came of it. Developers abandoned it. I'm assuming they'll do the same for the note 3 once the S5 comes out with even more security.

Best thing to do is NOT purchase the ATT Samsung versions.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Skizzy034:
Maybe by next new years.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Byronchapin:
Signed the wife will sign once she wakes up
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] duhbanjopicker:
signed
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] pham818:
Idk about you about developers abandoning it, because it has quite a lot of dev support.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] ziakhan:
Hurrey, called today and get connected someone in Arkansas and he put me on hold for 10 minutes and came back with the news they are going to ship overnight Galaxy watch for free
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] ziakhan:
Mail I just received from AT&T
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] chrisrotolo:
some progress on verizon note 3, please share ,especially with developers, etc. thanks

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=49208159
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] xfaega:
How were you able to get the gear for free?
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] mircury:
Don't feed the trolls. Just report the posts like gold3ndrag0n's and the mods will take care of it. It's cowardly to call someone stupid and inbred behind the protection of an internet forum and that's all that needs to be said. Act like adults people not elementary kids.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Moscow Desire:
Knock it Off Please

Ok kids, knock it off with the name calling and references to "pole dancing".

Any more of this nonsense, and the outcome will be pretty bad.

If you don't like the topic, or don't agree, then kindly move along.

Thread cleaned.

Cheers

MD
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] pham818:
show us the ship date.
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] ziakhan:
got it yesterday

Got mine yesterday
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] Edbert:
The most upsetting thing is that I tried several ways to prevent them from updating my firmware. There was none.

I could not prevent the download, any time i connected to wifi it would restart. Once it was downloaded I was able to say no when it asked me to apply it, that worked for a few days. Then it finally overrode my wishes to not have the update and installed without my permission.

If the device belonged to AT&T that would be their prerogative, But since I paid for it the device should belong to me. I either want access to my device or I want my money back. If I wanted to be treated like that I'd own a fruit-phone!
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] majesticpark:
Did you get the note 3 + gear for free????
[AT&T Galaxy Note 3 General] ziakhan:
Upgraded note 3 the day came out for $300 and called day before yesterday and the shipped gear for free.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] hondafreak513:
OK this is the last time I try anything on this phone.. OK I wanted to try out the MIUI rom and I downgraded to 3.15 everything was fine.. But I didn't like it to much so I did the PJ75IMG back to 3.17 from Captains thread, and when it said to press power to reboot it now gets stuck at the htc splash screen. When I try to reboot back into bootloader it just goes through the update and wants to reset again now I'm stuck. I can't get into recovery or the rom to delete the IMG file.. PLEASE HELP I am just going to stay on super jelly and not flash again....
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Magnum_Enforcer:
Remove your SD card. Problem solved.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] hondafreak513:
lmdao omg i'm a fraking idiot... Blonde moment
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jd1639:
Ah, a true blond

God promised man he'd put beautiful women in all corners of the world. Then he laughed and laughed and made the world round.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] hondafreak513:
Thanks... Can someone delete this thread so I dont get laughed at ...lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] a senile fungus:
Too late :p
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] KingFnerb:
:D

Glad you figured it out.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] hondafreak513:
Yeah I should of started drinking earlier..
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jd1639:
It's never too late to start:)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] KingFnerb:
Cheers!

/raises glass
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] AarSyl:
Lies. Pure lies. I tried that once before. Lasted two days. Good luck with that.

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HTC Evo 4G LTE
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] hondafreak513:
I know it might be, If I can get the 4.3 SU.zip so I can run the chameleon OS rom then I might think about it until then I'm gonna Drink my Angry Orchard and surf the web...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] previse:
Does anyone have any suggestions for a good replacement toggles set? I like everything about GPE stock android, but i do miss Touchwiz notification center + toggles being scrollable/right when pulled down.

Any suggestions? It would be nice if i can just replace notification center completely with TW notification center but that would be ... rather hard.

Thanks
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] lanuk79:
i have a O2 mini and for the past couple of days the screen alignment goes for a haywire especially on the left side each time i press the power button to get to my today screen. it returns to normal when i align the screen again but its frustrating to do it all the time..i have a screen protector.. i took that out and reinstalled it again but the same problem is still there.. any suggestions wud be more than welcome.. m getting desperate abt this as i spend a fortune on the phone.. :(
[Shield Q&A] darkmind7:
I have been trying to get the GeForce Experience laptop streaming bypass to work for a while but do I need to root my Shield to continue?
[Shield Q&A] cgutman:
No, it should work without rooting, assuming your laptop has a Kepler GPU and does not have Optimus.
[Shield Q&A] darkmind7:
should i direct the hack somewhere? i just run it and it doesnt work.
[Shield Q&A] hexitnow:
Make sure you have the newest drivers for everything and the newest firmware for your router. I had to download gfe 1.6.1.1 before it would recognize my pc and connect to it. Then it couldnt see my steam games but after a reboot of everything it loaded my games up.

Hit thanks if I helped you out. Doing a little bit of reading goes a long way. Sent via tapatalk. now Free
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zax10:
Exactly as title says. Is there any way to enable carrier billing on cm based ROMs? I have tried asking in inc4g thread but 93 views and no response. Also I have googled and seen alot of unanswered post.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] BrianBaker:
I haven't had to do this in a long time but how do you change the S voice from over riding the original Google Maps ladies voice?

Thanks
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] BrianBaker:
Can I have this moved into questions/troubleshooting?

Also need to know if anyone else is getting a different ladies voice in google maps navigation..Currently sounds like the S Voice lady..Just seeing if a hard reset is needed.Can anyone check their turn by turn real quick?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Yuhfhrh:
Yeah, I'm not seeing Google's text to speech as an option, only Samsung's. Does anyone know how to add Google's?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] nolimit06:
What about downloading the Google Keyboard? Does that maybe have the options?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Yuhfhrh:
I have the Google Keyboard installed from the playstore, but it doesn't add any text to speech options.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] nolimit06:
Ah, 10-4. That's odd there isn't an option for that. I used Maps today and was like "Who the F--- is this?" :p
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] BrianBaker:
This was the 1st thing i did in reaction to hearing a different voice as I remember installing the keyboard would bring the original voice back.But as noted it didn't work.The TTS options in the keyboard only allow samsung..Googles TTS Service is on the phone it just doesn't show up as an option to set it to default

EDIT: Ivona works,just downloaded it..Not as great as stock google but better than the S Voice lady.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] KennyG123:
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