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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 0-0-0:
Is Knox just a Samsung "thing" or does it/will it also apply to Nexus 5 or HTC One, for example, and future updates to those phones ?

If I wanted to live in a Knox free world, should be thinking about none Samsung phones (and maybe tablets), if I wanted to root it/them ?

Thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ojusrane:
Hi people, im sorry if this question has already been asked but is their anyway of rooting the samsung galaxy s4 gt-I9505 4.3 jelly bean without tripping it as I do not want my knox warraty void to be 0x1.

I have a picture attached so you can see all my phone details and check whether I can root this without it being tripped
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
i9500XXUBMEA - 4.2.2 - can this have knox?

was playing with my wife's i9500 (rooted TWRP recovery 4.2.2 with CSC of THR)

in spite of root, till now stock THR rom via kies

last upgrade via kies to MEA

today connected to kies just to see if upgrade available.

per sammobile there is a XXUBMG9 upgrade.

kies recognized the rom on phone but told me your devices current firmware version is not supported to upgrade by kies

disconnected from kies

never had this before suddenly super su tells me knox detected do i want to disable

of course said yes.

es3 file explorer finds a whole bunch of knox related apk files and container.

however on download mode no line for knox warranty

WTF?? how does 4.2.2 phone with pretty old rom not even latest get knox???
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
KNOX is here to stay.

They have rolled it out. On any new devices it will be baked in at the factory.

No more Samsung phones for me.

This was my first and last.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pitastrudl:
Agreed, if there won't be any way to reset knox, whenever, the s4 will also bi my last Samsung phone. Luckily I rooted months ago and am inbox free
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
Yea I got my phone after ME7 had rolled out so no loki.I am on MI1 with root and have just resigned myself to never upgrading beyond 4.2.2 in order to keep tethering and wallet working.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 0-0-0:
Thanks for the reply.

Just to confirm, it's just Samsung devices (at the moment) that have it ?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
KNOX is a Samsung thing
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 0-0-0:
Thank you :good:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -uniQ-:
Hi.

I really need help please (ASAP)

i think i have flagged the Knox. and i want to get back on 4.2.2 with no Knox.

is that possible?

I tried to flash the MEA (4.2.2) firmware using ODIN but it jst hangs on the samsung/carrier logo.

please help me asap.

or at least just get my signals and wifi back :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] timberwolf60:
No ways to reset knox counter at the moment. Just enjoy and flash whatever you like.

Send from my I9505 using Tapatalk Pro

ROM: I9505XXUEMK9_Knox 0x1

CSC: I9505OLBEMK3_STH

Modem: I9505XXUEMK9

Stock Kernel/Recovery
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -uniQ-:
i tried different ROMS but nothing is working properly.

the Google 4.4 ROM has many apps crashing and no signals and no wifi

4.3 ROM stuck on the google loading thing

4.2.2 Stock is stuck on carrier logo ;(
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
Here is more data why KNOX is here to stay and why we don't want it on all our devices.

With KNOX going forward forget about root and cracking the boot loader.

The last couple of iterations were so Samsung could find the last bugs.

Here is what Samsung and General Dynamics are saying:

http://www.gdc4s.com/gd-protected?taxonomyCat=504

and this:

http://www.gdc4s.com/Documents/Products/SecureVoiceData/U_Samsung_Knox_Android_1.0_V1R1_Overview.pdf

We are done and no more Samsung devices for me.

Developed for the DoD and others like them for security and NIST requirements.

If anyone breaks through the KNOX implementation, they will be a major hero for the rest of us and someone the DoD will be looking at/for.....
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leveex:
Correct me if I'm wrong... Probably I am, but isn't it knox on note 3 bypassed.. What is the difference between their knox and s4 knox?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorenzo122:
Warranty

If i have knox 0x1 and a problem HARDWARE (like the display broken), the warranty is void?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
Difference between note and S4 is the S4 is now certified for security and as such, they have gotten to the point of the device being hardened against attacks. Also with KNOX = 0x1 your warranty might not be in effect if sent directly to Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the Doctor:
I've just read through this thread looking for all references to the i9500 and I can't come up with a complete picture of the differences between it and the i9505. The OP writes:

Sure enough, after upgrading to 4.3 on an i9500 via Kies, Choucko posts:

Admir83x updated his i9500 to 4.3 via Odin and posts the following screenshot making no indication of Knox status either:

This is apparently because he was previously running a custom ROM with an old non-Knox bootloader, but that doesn't seem right either. Wouldn't a factory ROM updated via Odin update the bootloader anyway or is it selective? :confused:

But then Engineer24 posts this after updating to 4.3, installing Knox (how I don't know) and rooting:

So, based on what we know:

1). Does 4.3 update the i9500 to a non-downgradable Knox bootloader?

2). Does downgrading a 4.3 bootloader trip the Knox warranty bit like on the i9505?

3). Does rooting/running a custom ROM trip the Knox warranty bit like on the i9505?

If the answers are yes, yes and yes (which seems likely the case) then how exactly is the i9500 so different than the i9505? :confused:

Since i9500 users can't use TriangleAway after increasing the flash counter, I suppose it doesn't matter much anyway because the warranty would be toast with or without Knox. The only additional consequence would be that Knox wouldn't work, which is fine for most of us anyway.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
If the bootloader had KNOX when you boot into download mode you would have a "KNOX Warranty" line on the screen.

Based on your screenshot you do not have a KNOX enabled bootloader.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chrifister:
It's been a while since I've been snooping around on these forums. Just remembered the 4.3 update was finally out for Canadian phones. Come to the forums and all I see are posts about this Knox problem. So, after a couple of nights of reading post after post, I now have somewhat of an idea of what's going on.

My current setup is a Koodo i337m on 4.2.2 LUAMG1, rooted with CF-Auto Root. Triangle Away removed the boot warning but Status is 'Custom'. The phone is roughly 6 months old so another half a year left for the manufacturer's warranty. I didn't purchase Futureshop's crooked PSP that would have cost the same as a new phone over three years. I'd rather not void the warranty on the phone until Samsung's warranty is up, just in case.

After reading about the performance boosts of 4.3, and the ported 4.4 Google Edition ROMs for us, I am thinking about upgrading. The goal is to have a stock Koodo MK6 4.3 rooted ROM without Knox being tripped and device status reset to normal. Is this possible? Can't find a definitive answer on this.

If not, then either a custom version of the same ROM without Knox or the 4.4 Google Edition without Knox so I can reflash 4.2 if needed for warranty. I'd like to have as close to the stock ROMs as possible. It's difficult finding exact answers when there are literally hundreds and hundreds of posts in some threads. So far I've heard that flashing the stock 4.3 won't trip Knox but rooting or unrooting can. I've also heard that 4.3 and 4.4 have issues with wifi and sound.

This post may belong in the Canadian section but this thread seems to have more information in it.

Edit: Seems the only method to root i337m MK6 is with CF Auto Root, which does trip Knox. So the stock firmware is out of the question then. I suppose I'll have to look at one of the custom 4.3 or 4.4 ROMs without Knox. Wonder which one is closest to stock?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iamapoorv:
Warranty bit 1

Hi,

My phone's download mode looks like this..

ODIN MODE

Product Name : GT-i9500

Current Binary : Custom

System Binary : Custom

Warranty BIT : 1

I messed up my data and sdcard partition and wasn't able to install backup from CWM recovery,

So i tried flashing stock firmware MJ9(INU), but every time odin just sits there doing nothing while showing boot.img, above com port.

However I was able to flash pit file, custom recovery (CWM in my case) and CF_Auto_Root just fine with odin.

Now my question is did i was doing something wrong or i can never go back to samsung stock firmware due to this Warranty BIT = 1.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
Warranty now void
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iepurasu_poznas:
Can be flashed a aosp rom into knox bootloader?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pitastrudl:
No
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
If it is KNOX, the firmware must be signed either by Samsung or General Dynamics. You no longer own your phone. My first and last Samdung phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nightly_shadow:
Hi guys, Im on 4.2.2 MG1/MG4 VAU (latest for voda aussie) with unlocked and pre-knox bootloader.

I've rooted the phone, no custom recovery, never flashed any ROM, and never been in 4.3 before .

But, I want to unroot it. I've already used TriangleAway to reset binary count and flashed the same MG1/MG4 ROM via odin.

everything looks good. download mode shows that my i9505 is virgin and untouched again.

what I want to ask you guys is, will my knox tripped or flagged when I update it, say via KIES or FOTA from 4.2.2 to 4.3 ( assuming that I already revert back my phone completely to stock condition)

cheers!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

No,It will not trip the flag.

As long as you keep it all stock,then the flag cannot be tripped.

But,why do you want to put knox on your phone?

You can still have custom 4.3 or even 4.4,and keep your phone clean of knox.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
People, if you have an unlocked bootloader, run a rom that is KNOX free. Do not go back to stock. That is a one way trip with heartache at the end.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IberianPrince:
Having the Knox Pox isn't a big issue. It prompted me to sell the S4, turn my back on Samsung after 4 years, and now I'm an extremely happy HTC One owner... At least HTC are open about what they are, what they offer, and allows you to have a choice :)

Sent from my HTC One (Sold my Knox Pox S4)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
Yep.. Thinking of moving myself
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michal Z.:
What do you mean? Many people say that you can do whatever you want if you don't care about knox flag. Isn't that true?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] szaboagoston:
Well I tried to falsh Wanam lite, Slim Bean and GE ROMs. Wanam lite and Slim Bean gave a status x (can't remember the number, maybe 0) error. The GE ROMs seemed to install properly, but the phone can't boot and is stuck with the Galaxy S 4 intro screen. Believe me, I don't care about the warranty, but I would like to use my GS4 to else then that lame stock touchwiz.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
Have u tried to do a complete wipe then install?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vegetaleb:
I wanted to swap my HTC One with an S4 9505 because of the camera purple issue, though if I understand well there are no custom rom future for S4 because of knox??

I don't mind losing warranty because anyway the 9505 doesn't have one in my country,but I need to enjoy custom roms and 4.3,so will knox 0x1 block any recovery and roms?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
at the moment it is a bit of an unknown because it has come out of the blue but people like chainfire are working on it and have already cracked the country sim lock on these phones.

So the 4.3 touchwiz leak is full of knox software which will mess with root but other custom roms work. im on a custom one now, at the moment its just a case of be careful of what you flash and hope that a way round the new bootloader will be found!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scandiun:
I will miss Titanium Backup. Adb backup does his job also, however is more limited; some apps like Temple Run saga never store savegames on adb backups.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
yeah the loss of titanium is a massive thing for me too and its stopped me jumping on the 4.3 leaked update....
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vegetaleb:
Better wait 2 weeks before choosing S4 or G2 then.

As said before, an S4 without root is useless.

So if you flash tw 4.3 rom it will un-root your s4 forever or you can full wipe then reflash custom recovery then custom rom?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
if you flash 4.3 leak, at the moment it will mess with your root so it will kinda half work. you wont be able to go to a knox free bootloader but you can flash a 4.2.2 rom which came out after knox appeared and use a custom kernel to allow for root to work (at least i think this is the case as i understand it)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chavdar:
Can you please post the link to the thread where the sim lock had been cracked?

Sent from the N7100 Galaxy
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vegetaleb:
Good things come to those who wait.

I am pretty sure our XDA devs will find a way to root knoxed devices,even xbox 360 flags can be taken out :p
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
from Chainfires blog, see here. hes released an app to exploit it :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MistahBungle:
Yep it will happen, tho it might be a little while. This might be one of those things where only sources will do & reverse engineering a solution isn't possible.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawke84:
Yes i think fully working will come. Chainfires blog says latest SuperSU should work but it depends on how the apps work as SuperSU is only the window to the OS and if the OS has changed...boom! root wont work, which is what i think we are finding...

I feel sorry for all the people who have already tripped their knox flag as more and more its looking like no way back once tripped :(

hopefully a bootloader expert will look and find something though, fingers crossed!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DjeMBeY:
#4 from OP is completely incorrect!

With new KNOX bootloader you can install whatever you want - Custom Kernel or Recovery or ROM - without any problems but you'll trigger the flag. That's it.... Everything will work just fine, including Root... ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingzain900:
That's what I thought. It makes no sense for root not to work due to warranty issues.

What's the last build that I can update to without Knox? (and what's the deal in updating to the latest firmware anyway? is there a big security fix or new added features? I haven't seen a changelog anywhere).
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kantjer:
so if you don't care about warranty, there is nothing to worry about.

In the EU warranty doesn't seem to be an issue at all whatever Samsung is throwing at us.

see this and this
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SV3NNER:
I have the new knox thing 0x1 but i cant install other roms older than XXUDMI1, also if i make a backup from this rom it goes in a bootloop when i restore it.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vegetaleb:
Are you sure 100% we can use whatever custom rom or kernel even after flashing a 4.3 knoxed rom?

So we can enjoy 4.3 update with its knox bootloader then switch to whatever rom we like,of course it's for people who don't care about warranty.

Perhaps sammy don't want people to revert to older FW because new one is lag free and is better for advertising the S4,people who come back to 4.2.2 will have lags back and continue to complain in forums.

Good marketing idea but people are now afraid to see the 0x1 thingy :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VogonP0et:
I'm on XXUBMH1 and haven't got any Knox flag issues.

Fortunately for me I was on holiday when the last update came up, so didn't have a chance to install it. By the time I was ready, the sh*t had already hit the fan!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingzain900:
Correct. I had an LG Optimus Black that I had flashed the hell out of, and I had given it under warranty to fix a headphone jack issue. I did not revert to stock and they said that they cannot take the phone due to it being on an unofficial software. I claimed the statuary rights, and they had to take it, since the software could not have been proven to have broken the headphone jack.

My hypothesis is that the Knox flag is there to indicate whether or not the device is secure in terms of enterprise level security. In the BYOD circle, if the IT admin sees that the Knox flag is set to 0x1, he/she would not take it since the device is compromised (meaning that who knows what malware was installed on this phone and how it can be used to siphon data, spoof the network, bypass the BYOD monitoring tools, etc).

On the consumer side, it's useless. Samsung cannot void your warranty based on this flag as kantjer pointed out. Unless it is proven that the phone was broken due to a malware or virus or an app that you installed because of a customer ROM or firmware etc. So if you know the law, you're fine. Samsung is just being a pain in the rear-end and not being clear about things on purpose, to please the enterprise.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
Depends on the carrier. Also as far as I know 4.3 locks the bootloader down tight
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iamapoorv:
No reply

Please someone reply... :crying:
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nightly_shadow:
Im just curious how this thing works.

And im kind of freak out too, because when rooted with cf-auto root the supersu prompted me if I want to disable knox. Wth? I almost got a heart attack!!

Its true that I can find Samsung Knox, and Knox Store under the Application Manager, but not in the drawer.

But im pretty sure too that my bootloader is knox-free.

So.. should I worry about these thing?

I've been folowing this knox related topic in the net for like 2 weeks.. but I cant seem to understand a little more, so many information is still sketchy for me

and one OOT question. What procedure would you reccomend to restore stock rom to get warranty back.

1. TriangleAway then flash odin or

2. Flash odin then TriangleAway.

thanks!!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

Check in download mode for any sign of knox.

If you do not have knox,then,you must be stock ROM and recovery,and rooted for triangle away to work.

After that,flash stock firmware.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nightly_shadow:
Nope.. no knox in download mode. Thats why I dared to root my S4 .:p

but im still confused with one thing.. there is knox in app manager.

should I worry about that?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

As long as you do not have the knox bootloader,there is nothing to worry about.

If you are worried about it,use Titanium Backup to freeze it.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshbrasil:
Changing to a Google Ed

Hello, I have an GT-i9505 model with ZTO updates (brazilian model) running a 4.3 MKE stock rom and I'd want to install this onehttp://xdaforums.com/show....php?t=2544474 to have a pure android experience, faster updates and a cleaner rom, since the Google Edition isn't sold in my country.

That's my doubts:

If this rom came from gt-i9505G, why it doesn't get ota updates directly from google, having to download here and intall through coustom recovery?

I know that Samsung mods wouldn't work, but I have the S-view cover. It will work as the same mode, work diffrently or don't even work? If don't, is there any MOD to make it work in the way of samsung rom or likely?

The earphones controls would work?

Photosphere and HDR camera modes work?

Installng it flag the knox to 0X1?

if the last question is a yes, if I put back a stock rom from samsung, without root, will I receive updates through OTA or Kies, or I just will get by Odin?

I guess that is all for now. Plese help me.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bugdown:
What is this KNOX in my S4? Is it something like security app?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cyberdiamond.steve:
I can't post this where I think it should really go int he DjeMBeY rom thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2250824 because I do not have enough post to reply to a development thread.

I installed a knox bootloader firmware a while ago and flashed this 4.2.2 pre rooted rom before there were any knox warnings anywhere about it:

DjeMBeY

Model: GT-I9505 (4.2.2)

PDA: XXUDMH8

PHONE: XXUDMH8

CSC: OXXDMHA (29 codes)

Kernel: 3.4.0-1220396 (21.08)

Build Date: 21.08.2013

Changelist: 1220396

This seems to have SELinux permissions enforced which stops an app (app also requires root) I use to not work.

So now I have the new knox bootloader and a knox 0x0 status currently.

Is there ANY way to get onto a rootable and SELinux permissive 4.3 rom.

Without tripping the knox flag to 0x1?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Z0ld3n:
Im thinking of buying SGS4 and before i do i have question about knox. If i buy new phone with android 4.2 on it and i won't upgrade it to official 4.3 but will flash aosp based will i be affected by anything knox related ?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

It depends on which 4.2.2 you get.

Some of the later ones (after XXUD , I believe) have the knox bootloader.

But if you keep it AOSP,you will be free of knox bootloader.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pitastrudl:
I'm sure that knox comes after MGA
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

Yes.

After XXUB

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] timonoj:
Hi guys,

I wanted to upgrade my phone from 4.2.2 HUBMF4 to some stock rooted 4.3 ROM. Is this possible while keeping away from knox? At this point it seems knox isn't enabled on my bootloader.

Is there any modified ROM that gets away from knox while keeping everything else stock? Thanks!
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clonednull:
Lo [MENTION=2142488]Absolon[/MENTION], i just wanted to thank you for your efforts trying to bring the KNOX privacy case closer to the public! :good:

I hope we will get more concerned people about it and more insights. :highfive:

You mentioned Orwell and i just had to think about a little comic i stumbled uppon someday. Its how Orwell was wrong and Huxley got it right :cyclops:

Its a bit OT but worth to read and think about it: "Amusing Ourselfs to Death"
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BilboSwaggins:
I fixed my phone last night, by going back to stock, but the phone will sometimes refuse to boot into recovery (or download), instead, it will say recovery booting(or loading, can't remember), then restart normally, or do the same with the download screen. Anybody know what on earth has gone wrong? i9505, Knox bootloader, and I broke it by deleting system.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the Doctor:
Can we change the title now?

It's now been shown that the i9500 can trip the Knox Warranty flag after updating to 4.3 and attempting to downgrade the firmware (iamapoorv's i9500) or rooting (engineer24's i9500). Can we take i9505 out of the title now or add i9500?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Carbonizarre:
Is there ANY WAY to set Knox 0x1 back to 0x0 ??
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikzDHD:
Unfortunately no you can not.