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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 1slow4G:
Yeah just saw the link the other member posted. I wonder what the price tag will be.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
You do have a point but keep in mind some users may not have the money or may not even know where to get a case for the N4. Idk. I'm glad I don't fall under the "Nexus 4 is fragile" category. I love the design though.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
If I were to guess I'd say the price tag might start at around $380 for the 16gb maybe even more. To me it just isn't worth it if you have a Nexus 4 already.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 1slow4G:
Agree.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dethrat:
Not worth it for me ether. I've never been one for upgrading every single year I don't see the point in paying that much to do the same thing but slightly quicker.

I tend to upgrade every 2-3 years
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kowcop:
In my opinion, it will be the same price as the Nexus 4 was on release.. I don't think there is anything that looks like it is going to be more expensive than the components were when the Nexus4 came out. If it is cheap enough, I would be happy to upgrade once a year, sell the old phone and be only a little bit out of pocket
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
I think the key indicators of it being slightly more expensive than the N4 is the 4.9 inch screen, 1080p slightly larger battery and pressure sensor (whatever that is). I could be wrong but I'm willing to bet it will be slightly more.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
To me there's not much of a major update to the successor (Nexus 5) for me to dish out more money.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alex240188:
It depends on what you use your phone for on weather it will be an upgrade.

For instance I use my phone quite often for playing my old psx games so the extra storage is a godsend.

Also I prefer to play them using opengl graphics as they look so much better however currently opengl only runs single threaded so it can be quite laggy.

If the nexus 5 does include the rumoured 2.3ghz s800 then it would provide a massive improvement to the framerates and would be a great upgrade for me
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pipusz:
My solution is really easy for this problems. Since Google doesn't sell devices here through the Play Store, I fall under the pricing of LG, which will be ridiculously high as always, so even if I wanted to purchase this phone, I couldn't for an affordable price. :laugh:

I'm glad they are keeping a leash on my finances. :p
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chrono_Tata:
I love my Nexus 4 and I complain about its fragility all the time. It's the first phone I've owned that I have had to put a bumper or a case on. I don't know any other phone that can literally slide off a table with a slight slope.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pjc123:
Meh. It would have to be a major upgrade and have some really exciting new technologies for me to move up to a new phone.......heck, I only bought the Nexus 4 a few months ago. I also want to keep the Nexus 4 long enough to justify its cost and the cost savings of going out of contract.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nathan96:
Nexus 4 is a beast. It still is a young phone.

As for the camera, it is OK and ok is enough for a camera *PHONE*. Want something of worth ? get a DSLR.

As for the fragility, take good care of it. If it breaks - it breaks. you did your best. Then get whatever phone you want. If it does not break, I really don't see a reason to switch.

I only switch phones when the support stops and only if I can afford it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danyf90:
I think the nexus 4 is still enough for at least another year :D
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frisky_bg:
Yeah, good luck telling my wife it's not worth it when she sees it's purple :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frigidazzi:
Same here. I hate cases. Love the phone though.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IRX120:
Yeah, Im happy with my nexus 4, and I doubt I'll upgrade to the n5 untill at least February (when I got my n4) much rather buy the new nexus 7 that I haven't gotten around to yet

Sent from my Nexus 4 [NEO@1.836 GHz] on [PSX v7.1 4.3]
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
You do have to keep in mind that CPU/GPU power is just half the battle. Games/apps have to be fully optimized for it to run smooth with the powerful hardware. I think the Nexus 4's hardware should be more than capable enough to play a PSX game but those games aren't usually optimized well enough.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
The only time I come across the sliding issue is when I'm driving and I'm using this phone as a GPS and I set it on my lap. This is so annoying. Smh. I love this phone but I'm like damn, can it just sit put.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
I feel the same exact way since I recently purchased mine also. Like I said in the OP I can only see someone jumping from N4 to N5 if they need the 32gb's of space other than that I don't see any reasons jumping from N4 to N5. I would of definitely got the N5 if I didn't have the N4 but that's mainly because of the price and pure Google experience!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kaar3l:
I love my N4, but it's 8GB so I will think about upgrade. I would upgrade to 32gb. :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
The 8GB N4 is definitely ridiculous. The only reason I'd ever get the 8gb version is if I were only using the phone for Dev/ROM purposes. If I were you then I'd definitely get the N5
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] myorks1127:
There will be those that try to think of reasons not to upgrade to a far superior phone and those like me who will not complain about anything and enjoy the latest and greatest N5. I'm positive that those who think they will enjoy the N4 when others are all upgrading will visit the new forum area and eventually realize that they made a mistake sticking with the N4 lol. I will sell my 8GB N4 on Ebay immediately and make like 200 dollars. Keep telling yourselves that your going to be content with an N4, those that upgrade could care less.:good:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
Like I said, those of you who have the 8gb version or need more GB then fine, upgrade. There is nothing on the N5/N4 2013 (even google knows that its not a major upgrade that's why it might be called the N4 2013 not because of the screen size cause technically its a 5 inch) that is significantly worth the upgrade.

I'll gladly wait it out another year for the next Nexus phone. I'm happy with my Nexus 4 and if google decides to stop updating it today for whatever reason, the devs will still update it and I'll still get a similar experience as the N5/N4 2013. I rarely use my camera and 16gb is good enough for me.

Unless the next Nexus comes with more ram, Octacore, fingerprint scanner etc or if I break my N4 then I see the need. For now I see no point!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alex240188:
Yes I do understand that it is only half the battle. The emulator runs perfectly in software mode as it is multi threaded. But as soon as you run into using opengl and all of a sudden you are emulating on a single 1.5ghz core and that is where the problems occur.

On my tegra 3 nexus 7 oc to 1.8ghz it handles opengl much better even though it's still single threaded.

My point is that even though the emulator is not optimized in this case Having the raw grunt of a single 2.3ghz thread vs a 1.5ghz thread should yeild at least 50% performance improvement over what the nexus 4 offers me which I consider a huge upgrade.

Not that it is an appealing upgrade for all but just this one instance for me shows potential for this device
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
I understand what you're saying. Well if you need a device for gaming and you can't/don't want to wait for the Nexus 6 then definitely get the 5/N4 2013 but if you can hold out then I'd say wait for the N6.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
JUST SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR, I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE N5/N4 2013 (WHATEVER GOOGLE/LG WILL CALL IT) IS A BAD PHONE. IF I DID NOT HAVE THE N4 I'D DEFINITELY GET THE N5. ANYTHING NEXUS IS BAD ASS IN THE MOBILE WORLD!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] myorks1127:
What my opinion on this subject boils down to is that I will upgrade no matter what the specs are and all of the other dumb areas of the phone people seem to care so much about. I would upgrade even if there was a new phone every 6 months, I don't care and there is nothing holding me back from upgrading like so many others on here. I have no problem with those that stick with the N4 but it seems like those are the ones who keep complaining and creating all these reasons why the N5 "sucks". At this point I would love to make a video of me throwing my current N4 at a brick wall as soon as I get the N5 lol
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
I dare you to make a video like that. Lmao. I guess you're a die hard Nexus fan with the means to upgrade every time a new Nexus comes around. There's nothing wrong with that but realistically a lot of us don't have the means to do so or may have the means but might not see the point of upgrading just yet.

The Nexus 4 does have its share of issues but I can definitely wait another year to see what Google has in store. For one I'm a bit disappointed that Google will not announce this phone with a major upgrade like 5.0 with a complete overhaul to the UI. That would of definitely made the N5/N4 2013 a little more appealing.

Then again nothing is official so Google may have a surprise for us, especially since the successor is rumored to have a pressure sensor (whatever that will be used for).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 93fuelslut:
Isn't the nexus 5 camera horrible?

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
We honestly do not know yet but one can only speculate that it may be a slight upgrade over the N4. Remember nothings official so most of us are going by what the leaks suggest. Although the leaks do look promising.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JaylanPHNX:
I really want the Nexus 5, but I'm also one of those whose desperate for more storage. I'd also love to be able to access AIO's LTE.

Sent from an N4 blessed with AOKP and sanctified by Faux123!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
If you have the means then definitely go for it. I'm pretty sure the N5 will be a beast of a phone
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mpkothari:
Are you really that stupid? How can you or anybody make that judgement based on nothing but megapixel speculation (8 or 13)? We haven't seen a single sample image from this phone. Vic Gundotra recently said that their goal going on with nexus devices is vastly improving the camera. Same thing with all these people talking about battery. Wait to see what actual performance is like before making false claims!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vandizzam:
Nexus 4 is a good phone but nexus 5 will be better. Why would you not want one?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ace42:
I don't think it's a significant leap to warrant an upgrade(for me). Besides I upgrade every 2yrs so I have to wait for Nexus 2014.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nielli:
Nexus 4 does the job for me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
You do have a point but please don't bash the guy. I guess everyone thinks megapixels play a major role in photo quality, which it does play a role but not the role that most people think it does.

Megapixels mainly shine when blowing up a photo to a larger scale and then you might notice some pixelation depending on how many megapixels the camera/phone has. Most people aren't educated in that area and that's fine.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
Like Ace42 mentioned, its not a significant leap to justify upgrading. The only reason I'd think it were a significant leap is if I needed 32gb's and must have LTE (which the N4 has once rooted, but some people may not want to root).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] myorks1127:
I guarantee that nobody on here would deny having a N5 if someone gave them one for free lol. These justifications to not get the N5 are all based on funds availability to upgrade. That's like someone who drives a used economy car and then wins the lottery. I would say less than 1% (There are always weirdos) continue to drive their current car and don't "upgrade", it just doesn't make sense lol.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
That's where you're wrong. You can not compare the N4 and N5 to a new car and a used economy car. The N5 doesn't blow this phone out of the water. I admit it is definitely an updated version to the N4 but not much of an update for anyone to run out and get it.

Since you want to compare these phones to cars, would you trade a 2012 Corvette for a 2013 Corvette especially if the 2013 Corvette isn't all that much updated?

The issue for everyone isn't just the money. Some people may not like the design of the N5 and favor the N4. Who knows, everyone has a different reason for not upgrading.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] albundy2010:
The Nexus 4 is capable of LTE on ONE band.

Some people might actually live in somewhere that doesn't have band 4 LTE but other carriers LTE.

These threads are so stupid. Oh next year when the 6 comes out there will still be people happy with their 4. And they won't be upgrading because their phones meet their needs. And it's not worth buying / justifying a upgrade blah blah

If you want / need what the new kit has to offer then it's worth it. If not then it's not. Doesn't matter if it's one year or 4. I'm still very happy with my q9550 based desktop for example.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] peachpuff:
Actually the n5 is worth it, why because i said so.

Everyone has an opinion, so why is your's right and mine wrong?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
By me saying the N5 isn't worth it from the N4, wouldn't that be my opinion?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eksasol:
Most logical post so far. Also it makes no sense to come to conclusion when you haven't used it yet.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] peachpuff:
Of course, now tell me why your opinion is worth a damn.

Because if we have nobody's giving their opinions on everything on this forum then it'll turn into a cesspool.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
You need to learn some respect. I never spoke to you disrespectfully. I'm done talking to you. Good luck buddy.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] peachpuff:
If your original post was more detailed and perhaps explain why the n5 isn't worth it perhaps you would have my respect, but it had none of that so no soup for you.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pjc123:
Wow, reading through this thread was a brutal waste of my valuable time.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cream$ickleHJ:
If I had the money like most of these tech nerds on YouTube..I'd buy a phone every month too, but no bueno..I've got hobbies and like getting my hands dirty building/fixing stuff, cool hobby I guess nowadays is collecting phones but imaging all that wasted money...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
I agree with you 100%. Its always great to have the latest with everything but a phone isn't priority for me so I'm content with upgrading every 2 years or so especially if the phone I have at that present time is still capable of hanging with the latest.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 93fuelslut:
Haha its funny how your acting like a whiny b!tch over a phone predicament discussion. What you do, miss yoga class today ?

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
Not to be off of topic but I just realized your avatar. Is that a notchback Fox? I love Fox Stang's!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doubledduarte:
I'm excited to see the official announcement and will probably order one as soon as it's available. I'm currently using a Nexus 4 i bought 2 months ago... Expanded storage, LTE and a much improved camera are what i'm most looking forward to!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
I admit the expanded storage and official LTE sounds great! We have to wait a bit more to see how well the camera stacks up.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boywithabeard:
Talking Myself Out Of It

If it's really only gonna have a 2300 mAH battery, and an 8MP shooter I might as well get a G2. Unless the pricing reflects all the downgrades from It's Sister build (screen,cam,battery,features) why even make this device if it isn't going to be cutting edge? As for the "stock android experience", many things are left to desire, I personally have never run stock for more than a week anyway regardless of variation. What is Google really offering us in this device over the N4? .3 inches more display sucking back the unimpressive battery, while the 600 easily handles what the N4 does just fine with? Don't get me wrong, I love new devices. I always covet the latest and greatest, just don't think N5 is it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
I can agree that when it comes to cutting edge hardware that the Nexus line of devices aren't on top but there is a reason for it. The reason is pricing. Google realizes that the Nexus line of devices can appeal to more people if their line of devices are more affordable. Although the Nexus may never be the best phone out hardware wise, I will always prefer a Nexus device because of affordability and direct google support.

My only gripe with Nexus devices is the camera. Google and Microsoft has proven that you don't need the most top of the line specs to gain the most top of the line user experience. Look at the Moto X for instance. The specs are considered mid range but people love that phone because of the top of the line software. I honestly love the Moto X because of it. Its pretty neat.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 93fuelslut:
Yep! 93 coupe fully restored, full suspension, fully built 408, 2stage nitrous, forged internals, 2seperate fuel systems, 628 lift cam, ran 156mph in the quarter mile in rainbow city AL.

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Also people, Google is going for consumers, not geeks. (I love android to ) there's more money in that approach . Just my 2cents

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
Those specs are way more more impressive than the N5. Is it a 9 second car? I know the Notchback are light as hell!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vandizzam:
This thread isn't worth it
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 93fuelslut:
Yea 156 is around 9.80s-9.90s. I forgot what the time slip said. But its all in the driver really. I've seen 500rwhp stangs out run 1000hp stangs. The guys who do my work, Chris Tuten and Brian tuten, have ran a customers coupe in 10.47 with 460rwhp. That's really hard to. There on Google and youtube, and magazines.

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Yea notch's are pretty light. My 1st coupe that was built by randy Howell, had a fiberglass front end, fiber glass doors that were drilled out (dk why) and lexan windows all the way around. 12k$ for a used rolling chassy to. No motor no trans

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
I know reaction is the key player in producing a good time. Is it a build AOD? My dad has a 10 second Grand National and a mid 11 second GMC Typhoon.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cream$ickleHJ:
Nexus 5 will run $3.50 in a 1/4 timeframe
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
Lol. Don't we all wish. More like $350 in a mile
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ctbear:
I for one am happy about the leaked specs. I recently downgraded from HTC One back to N4, and I certainly missed the better screen, bigger storage, and better battery life. These things might sound unimportant but trust me, once you know the difference it's really hard to be content with something you know is worse.

Now with the even better spec than the One, it certainly looks like an appropriate upgrade to me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
Definitely once you have/had something better and then downgrade you'll miss it. Fortunately for me I haven't experienced better although I know that the N4 isn't the best but I love the direct support from Google.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 93fuelslut:
5Spd tremec. With 4.11 gears. I'm an Asian guy lightin all the white kids up in there little imports bragging abt there "VTEC bro". Lol.......well use to.

That typhoon a 4.3?

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I had "vtec" painted on my nitrous bottle Lol. And wanted my license plate to say "VTEC Lol"

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
That's hilarious (Vtech on the bottle). Not to be stereotypical but one would assume the Asians would be all over the Imports and the Americans vice versa. Yup, the Typhoon is 4.3 with a very big turbo and it is converted to rear wheel instead of 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cream$ickleHJ:
Where you at on your compressor map efficiency island?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 93fuelslut:
Yea I use to tell every body my car had vtec. And me being Asian they would assume I drove a Honda Lol. I use to launch the sh!t out of it from a red light at like 4grand with slicks. That's funny.

I tried to launch my 2nd coupe at a red light one time with some bf Goodrich tires, and the car actually pretty much sat still Lol at 6200rpms. Not even on the brake and it was a little 306 with a 150shot.

Why not keep it 4wd? those 4.3s are 350s with out 2 back cylinders. I love em in a s10. If it was me I'd put it on some 33s and go mud boggin:D

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OuncE718:
The problem with it being 4 wheel is that you can't heat the tires up and secondly they always break the transfer case so to avoid those issues we converted it to rear wheel.

I had a 306 87 LX hatch with a B cam and long tube headers that wouldn't get traction until 3rd gear and it was on drag radials. They're fun cars!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 93fuelslut:
A Trans brake will heat those tires up! :D Haha. Remember, its racing, money will fix ur problems Lol.

Yea I couldn't kill that 306 for nothing. One time the floor mat some how jammed my gas pedal and that rev limiter was bouncing like a crack head. Iv totaled that car twice and still runs like a champ. Its been on craigslist 7times in 3-4 years. Once they find out whose car it was, they get rid of it Lol. I hit the cement barrier on the interstate at 60 and flipped that red switch back on cause the impact cut the fuel system off, and drove it home b4 the cops got there Lol. It was crab walkin to.

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luiseteyo:
This isn't a Q&A thread. We already have a Nexus 5 thread, so mod, please, close it.