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[LG Optimus G (International)] t1mman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat

This experiment explain pretty much this situation.

I'd like to think that an update would be released, but nothing more than "gutt feeling" and assumptions are going on as of now.

And, from what we can recall from LG's "news", even if they say something somewere, they might as well retract it the day after.
[LG Optimus G (International)] ankit360:
+1

No point of talking kitkat update for OG before worldwide kitkat update for G2
[LG Optimus G (International)] indiffereddie:
LG, please! I am so not satisfied with cyanogenmod 11, camera app sucks (no HDR, takes pics of a much wider surface than selected) and so does the battery life :(

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[LG Optimus G (International)] bafdboysbehindthis:
3 of my friends got an kitkat today on their htc m7:/
[LG Optimus G (International)] Rishi.:
What do you guys have to say about improvement in camera if kitkat update is delivered ??? Any chances of improvements ???

I know a higher f/w is usually better , but I would like to understand the advantages possible from a 4.4 on this device , before I start crying for updates.

How much significant change one can expect , and in what areas ????
[LG Optimus G (International)] BlackPie:
Firstly,you get newer version which includes bug fixes and new features,including TRIM and better memory management.

LG would tweak their own skin adding tastes of KitKat and other software features like more apps supported with QSlide.

Its pretty significant as it jumps up another 3 OS update which is alot.Overall,getting this update would make our device way and much smoother if it isnt already :fingers-crossed:
[LG Optimus G (International)] TheGripper:
You must be kidding me. I'm on 4.4.2 rom and the battery life is amazing compared to stock rom.
[LG Optimus G (International)] indiffereddie:
No way, it's at least 20% weakerfor me, and I use greenify. Which kernel do you use? Do you do any other tweaks, cpu or cores managing?

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[LG Optimus G (International)] steffenbakke:
Wrong thread..
[LG Optimus G (International)] steffenbakke:
Wrong thread...
[LG Optimus G (International)] JaymzBond:
which theme is that one
[LG Optimus G (International)] Vuja1:
I'm on Mokee KK and battery is great.. I use Mokee kernel and everything works great. Which rom u used?
[LG Optimus G (International)] kt-Froggy:
Since this thread is probably the closest to the "general chat" kind of thing for the time being, just wanted to share something... Saw a posting today on local Craigslist - a guy is selling a mint condition Optimus G (one of the two Canadian models, not sure which) for $175. Reason for selling - he wants to buy an iPhone. Actually, a funny thought did cross my mind that he just gave up any hope for LG updates, and wants to get rid of the thing. :D But to pick an iPhone to replace an OG? Seriously? Kinda feel sad for the guy...
[LG Optimus G (International)] bafdboysbehindthis:
I see only offtopic here, some news about update? Some one?
[LG Optimus G (International)] kt-Froggy:
I am quite sure, once there are some actual news, they will be all over the place, not just here. :) Meanwhile, (un)educated guesses at best...
[LG Optimus G (International)] nch26:
An iphone with 4.7 screen would be nice..
[LG Optimus G (International)] kt-Froggy:
I bet we'll see those before any update comes out for our OG... :banghead:
[LG Optimus G (International)] nch26:
ahaha, i think that OG is like O2X..

We will get the update in a few months :D
[LG Optimus G (International)] grrrr_unt:
Yeah there are rumours of Apple releasing a 4.5 and a 5.5 inch iPhone this year. Confirmed by a few Apple employees too!

Sent from my LG Optimus G (E975)
[LG Optimus G (International)] CrawnberyJack:
hehe... ios runs good... but even iphone 5 was to small. if they will sell bigger iphones... i'll definitely abandon android team and move to ios. they have jailbreak and.. updates :)
[LG Optimus G (International)] bafdboysbehindthis:
After last update I have some problems with my OG.

Sms app and fb app crashes some times.

Funny. Some help?
[LG Optimus G (International)] rimsilva:
Have you tried to clear data?
[LG Optimus G (International)] bafdboysbehindthis:
Hard reset?
[LG Optimus G (International)] sunyakram:
No,

Goto setting>apps>fb then clear data.
[LG Optimus G (International)] t1mman:
I got a couple of iPhone here for the users (I'm an TI admin) and let me tell you, they are not "free of bugs" and, eventhough some "older" models gets the update, it ends up so freaking slow that you just want to throw it away and buy a new one...

At least, with android, you have access to newer (and optimised) custom rom.
[LG Optimus G (International)] CrawnberyJack:
you're right. but if i buy the new iphone..i'm almost certain that i can use it two years without being mad at lg or apple for updates and speed and too poor camera quality.
[LG Optimus G (International)] 2nd Sky:
ok, ios on older phones (including the 4th generation) runs not fast as they should...

yes, funny bugs too ;) (messenger bug :DDD )

im on stock and i must say, its more faster than 4.4, ok scroll smoothnes is not as on kk but i dont edit build.prop, so theres potential....

i dont miss kk roms! ok one point u are right, poor cam... ;) but photos are more than ok for me!

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[LG Optimus G (International)] indiffereddie:
...and on 4.4 roms for LGOG you don't even have HDR option :(

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[LG Optimus G (International)] kt-Froggy:
To be honest, there is a lot of third-party camera apps with HDR. And if you want a built-in camera with HDR option, you might get it in the official update (if it happens, of course) -- talking about this elusive update is the point of this thread, isn't it? :)
[LG Optimus G (International)] t1mman:
Or you can get a Nexus or any other android that the makers cares about the updates (and customer, for that matter)
[LG Optimus G (International)] CrawnberyJack:
still.. i think i'll switch the side. i have an ipad air.. and it feels amazing in my hand and runs very well.
[LG Optimus G (International)] prog19:
My gf takes some beautiful shots using an app called snap camera. The auto scene detection mode makes miracle. Only photos in low light continues to ****ty. And it's hdr mode is awesome.
[LG Optimus G (International)] artssa:
Exactly, prog19, I use this app too (Snap Camera) and it's excellent. I also like the stabilization. Simple mechanism, but effective.
[LG Optimus G (International)] jordy1990:
According to LG India the LG Optimus G Pro will be getting KitKat at the end of Q2. There is no word on the Optimus G, and we don't know whether to trust this message or not. http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g...41.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[LG Optimus G (International)] krk2krk:
april or may or June :( that too nt for G ?? hope fully on june i ll have G3 in my hand,. :D
[LG Optimus G (International)] artssa:
Well, they didn't say nothing about LGOG, and the question was about LGOG Pro, so.. I think our situation remains the same.
[LG Optimus G (International)] artssa:
End of Q2.. Damn..
[LG Optimus G (International)] nch26:
Yes. And they didnt say anything about optimus g...
[LG Optimus G (International)] CrawnberyJack:
it would be an idiot thing for lg to update l9 2 and f series and forget about g. the g owners will trow with rocks at them :p

even now that they deserve a kick in they face with "we learnt from you" . they learnt nothing .. aparently. samsung , htc , apple, motorola, pretty much the rest are better than lg at giving updates. so. buy the next g2/ g flex / g pro 2 because we learnt from you? nope... still hoping that apple will release a bigger iphone.. or samsung a nice galaxy s5. I won't buy another lg phone until they respect the client and update their phones. I mean.. in this scenario..even the crappy l3 II will get the knock feature before us .. we'll why the hell i bought an lg flagship than? 500 euro for a device that came with android 4.1.2 and even now has android 4.1.2? shame lg. next time i'll better buy an unicorn , god damn it.
[LG Optimus G (International)] artssa:
Guys, just a quick question. I know it's off topic, but is very simple: I haven't touched my LGOG in terms of root, roms, etc. Which rom based on KitKat 4.4 would you recommend, prioritizing stability and battery life (more than performance)??

Thanks and sorry about the off topic.
[LG Optimus G (International)] vuvuxela:
if you looking for stability and battery life, stock 4.1.2 is the best.
[LG Optimus G (International)] Rishi.:
Stock with tweaked build settings.

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Unicorns can still grow an extra pair of horns but lg devices won't .
[LG Optimus G (International)] 2nd Sky:
Yep, im on stock and happy but f93 aosp and vanir was not bad...

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[LG Optimus G (International)] ITzRicardo94:
The petition got closed? https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/lg-release-official-android-updates-for-flagship-devices#

What are we going to do now? No updates? :(
[LG Optimus G (International)] grifovunque:
the best kitkat rom is for me OMNIROM absolutly battery frindly and smooth like a butter (active art runtime)...

alwayse 3g connection

2 mail push

whatsapp

viber

3.5 hours screen on with 2 hour with internet chrome

24h battery

for me it's better than stock....
[LG Optimus G (International)] sunyakram:
On avatar nightly 4.2.2
[LG Optimus G (International)] roscatel:
I'm so jealous..

LG G2 Android 4.4.2 update starts rolling out in Korea, brings ART support
[LG Optimus G (International)] leopardsavanah:
We need a new petition and more letters to lg!
[LG Optimus G (International)] Dartaa:
In Poland, 1 provider called Play have published they list of updates. There isn't for now LG OG but i see that LG G2 will be updated to kit kat in 2nd half of march. Hope that after that we will see an update for our LG OG
[LG Optimus G (International)] zbutlr:
What other models are mentioned in the update procedure??
[LG Optimus G (International)] Dartaa:
Sony Xperia Z in the end of february. And Nokia Lumia Phones will get GDR 3 update
[LG Optimus G (International)] zbutlr:
Ι meant other lg phones...
[LG Optimus G (International)] adwienc:
No other LGs, I've seen it too.

Here is of course if you understand my language :D

http://m.komorkomania.pl/blo-721d29c5b848031b4b973a72f686,645,0,0,0.jpg
[LG Optimus G (International)] abduhus:
News??
[LG Optimus G (International)] leopardsavanah:
We are still waiting
[LG Optimus G (International)] krk2krk:
We need to wait surely till the end of Q2. as G pro gets 4.4 on Q2 though that too not official. Hope G ll get 4.4 before Q3..
[LG Optimus G (International)] Galileo:
Not sure if you guys had seen this already, but here, some news i found.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-t...d51568#2-Android-4.4-for-the-LG-Optimus-G-Pro
[LG Optimus G (International)] TheStigOnline:
I hope its all true and we get official 4.4.x KK for our devices, come on LG!!!
[LG Optimus G (International)] Galileo:
Yeah, with 4.4 we would get a lot of awesome features, better performance and battery life on stock and also the fact that we could add more apps to Qslide :D
[LG Optimus G (International)] t1mman:
Old news, already discussed.Look in the past posts, but IMHO, this is a "no news" without any reliable source.
[LG Optimus G (International)] Galileo:
Yeah :/ I guess we won't know anything until Q2 at best.
[LG Optimus G (International)] 2nd Sky:
Oh yes new qslise engine would be so cool and i hope that many app developer add that feature... Better multitasking..

But is there the limit of 2open qslide apps (our g has that limit) still?

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[LG Optimus G (International)] Vuja1:
on g2 u don't have any limit on 4.2.2 but on g we have limit :(
[LG Optimus G (International)] Jubeldum:
I hope it happens. Lrod's OpTimuS DE in a KitKat version would be a gift from God. The Gurus say its easy to port to the other Optimus G models. :thumbup:

Sent from my LS970 using my thumb
[LG Optimus G (International)] Jishnu Sur™:
Its so easy to remove the limiter. Its in framework.. Try searching in the build.prop. you can increase the number of windows from there. If you can then fine or else it can be done from the framework-res.apk. I had seen it, if i can i will try to upload the modified one :)
[LG Optimus G (International)] 2nd Sky:
What about your "infos" about kk for g/g pro? ;) any news? :D

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[LG Optimus G (International)] nch26:
At least at this moment we have this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2652276
[LG Optimus G (International)] grunch21:
I doubt they'd release the KK update for this phone. From the business point of view, it just doesn't make sense. They won't generate any money from devices they no longer sell, why would they spend their resources to do that?

And to be honest, i don't really care. We have plenty of custom roms to choose from. In fact, I flashed omnirom the day after i bought this phone. I can't stand what LG did with their software. They're terribly ugly, useless and uncustomizable.

I'm really grateful that there are many devs that working hard to make wonderful roms for us to use!
[LG Optimus G (International)] ankit360:
Not agree with you. I m stock rom and its work fine. Maybe i m wrong because i never try custom rom. But lots of people says stock rom is best. Regarding kitkat update you r wrong. LG won't get anything directly if they put resources on kitkat rom but if they do people trust LG and try to buy new lg phone after using Optimus g. If LG won't update Optimus g lots of people like me assume that LG will not going to provide update to any of its device year and move to Sony, Samsung device.
[LG Optimus G (International)] grunch21:
Well of course "the best" is about preferences. What's best for you is different from other people. If you like stock rom, good on you. For me, ever since i flashed CM7 on my galaxy fit 3 years ago, i never look back.

Most people buying their phones not based on the previous manufacturer history on updating. They see the ads, look at the features, and then buy what they like. Most manufacturers only update their software once, before moving their work into newer devices. And in fairness, people upgrade their phones every 2 or 3 years max.
[LG Optimus G (International)] krk2krk:
Agreed !!! Stock ROM is Clean and Its really great...
[LG Optimus G (International)] TheStigOnline:
I agree on the point of preference (stock ROM's are my current choice) and buying habits, however, I disagree with your other points in the above post

As I buy moblie devices based on the software update history and I'm sure other people do too. This is why I moved from SE's Symbian OS to Palm's WebOS, then to Android OS, as there were no more updates available for Symbian and WebOS (unless I was willing to sell my soul to HP for WebOS updates)

Also, staying that: "Most manufacturers only update their software once, before moving their work into newer devices." Is incorrect, so please correct or clarify in more detail why you believe this is the case?

About people changing their phones every 2 or 3 years, this is partly true, as even you still have a 3 year old mobile and I still have / use my Palm Pre from 2009, so I'm sure many other people keep their devices past 3 years, if updates are available and it suits their use / needs

This is my opinion and feel free to correct me :good:

LG Optimus G E975

Palm Pre

"Success calls five times a day everyday, but people are too busy to answer the call because they are too busy trying to be successful."
[LG Optimus G (International)] bafdboysbehindthis:
Asked about this LG Latvia, got the same answer, that new firmware is in the testing mode and no correct date of realese:)
[LG Optimus G (International)] t1mman:
Well, I guess Samsung, Sony, Motorola, apple and HTC are in the "wrong" then...
[LG Optimus G (International)] artssa:
They would keep their clients. If LGOG doesn't get KitKat update, this will be for sure the first and the last LG smartphone for me and for millions around the globe. While that, Samsung, Sony and even Motorola are updating their smartphones..
[LG Optimus G (International)] t1mman:
I for one will not be buying LG the next time, I'm even starting to think of selling the thing; bad sound quality, bad camera software, lack of updates and poor support.

And even if the KK release fixes all of thoses, the fact that we have to wait more than a year to get a lousy update is beyond reasonable...
[LG Optimus G (International)] ankit360:
+1

don't understand why LG take much time to release ROM . even G2 not receive kitkat in india . optimus g has almost same hardware as nexus 4 it should take less effort to build kitkat ROM for it
[LG Optimus G (International)] TheStigOnline:
On a more positive note, I'm not ready to quit on my OG E975, as it is an epic mobile device

Also, lets consider its from 2012 and still holding its own hardware wise, this shows the quality and its metal

Even the mighty Tricorder and Padd's from the ST Universe have limitations

So of course the OG has some shortcomings, what device is perfect or ever will be?

LG Optimus G E975

Palm Pre

"Success calls five times a day everyday, but people are too busy to answer the call because they are too busy trying to be successful."
[LG Optimus G (International)] samue11:
Me2, I wont buy anymore LG products, not only phones

I hate to be treat like this, to beg LG to give the update to my OG, LG doesn't care what their customer think n want.
[LG Optimus G (International)] akiscoolio:
Same here optimus g is the first and last device I have ever bought from lg and there is no way I'm going to buy another phone from lg ever again if lg wants me to be their customer again they have to give me the whole package,that means software update support among other things,the device by itself just doesn't cut it. Do you know that sumsung galaxy s2 was released at 2011 with os v2.3.1 and now it has 4.1 same as our device,so bye bye lg
[LG Optimus G (International)] e34v8:
Yes, LG are very slow with updates, but we have to consider these two things:

1 - our phone runs pretty smooth and fast. I think LG did an excellent job optimizing this device. I mean, have you tried a Galaxy S4? It is slow and lags like sh*t despite being a newer device.

2 - if LG update this phone directly to kitkat and do the same excellent job optimizing it , it will be awesome.

That said, there is a good chance, they don't bother updating it at all. And if that turns out to be the case, this will be my last LG phone, despite the fact that I'm pretty happy with it.
[LG Optimus G (International)] Galileo:
The only reason I'm still using my Optimus G is because my parents dislike the idea of buying things online, and over here tech is overpriced, so I'm stuck on a 12 month contract and a Quad core Android 4.1 device, now don't get me wrong, I love my Optimus G, but using an AOSP rom just isn't the same, battery life is not as good and we lack features such as Qslide, sure, there's XHALO floating windows, but that doesnt look as good and is not even nearly as stable as Qslide.
[LG Optimus G (International)] grunch21:
Here's a list of android phones released in 2012, same as ours LGOG

SONY

Xperia S, Xperia SL, Xperia arc S, Xperia acro S, Xperia ion, Xperia P, Xperia J, Xperia U, Xperia go, Xperia miro, Xperia sola and Xperia tipo. All updated either from GB or ICS to JB

http://www.androidpit.com/sony-pulls-update-support-for-xperias

HTC

HTC One X & HTC One X+

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/htc-one-x-one-x-android-4-4-kitkat-update-not-happening-after-all-1214853

MOTOROLA

I can't remember any motorola phones released in 2012, only RAZR Maxx i can recall. Their worldwide market is tiny anyway.

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/10/motorola-droid-razr-maxx-hd-looks-to-remain-stuck-in-android-4-1-2-jelly-bean-for-good/

I don't include iphone, bb and WP as they're all updated directly, as well as Nexus line from Google. Samsung is the only manufacturer that updated their devices 2 times which are Galaxy S3 and Note 2. But considering they have sold more than 60 million S3 compared to LGOG which was only 1M, it's understandable.
[LG Optimus G (International)] nch26:
All of the devices you mention there are phone with older CPU. For example: Xperia S with snapdragon S3.

Our CPU Snapdragon S4 Pro is has support from Qualcomm. Snapdragon S3 dont have support anymore. Thats why sony dont update smartphones, the dont have cpu drivers.

And if im not bad, Moto RAZR HD has Texas Instruments CPU which is not more supported either.
[LG Optimus G (International)] CrawnberyJack:
htc one x is an older device..from optimus 4x hd generation. and even that one has android 4.2.2 ..not 4.1 . and the other devices are old. s3 is older than the g..but still is updated... and i can bet that it will receive the next update beyond 4.4 . so..lg is crap.
[LG Optimus G (International)] e34v8:
Here are the devices that Samsung will update directly to 4.4.2 :

Galaxy Note 3

Galaxy Note II

Galaxy S4

Galaxy S4 mini

Galaxy S4 Active

Galaxy S4 Zoom

Galaxy S III

Galaxy S III mini

Galaxy Mega

Galaxy Light

Galaxy Note 8.0

Galaxy Tab 3 (7-inch, 8-inch and 10-inch editions)

Galaxy Note 10.1

Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition)

And we have to mention that S3 is already running 4.3 . So LG need to act.
[LG Optimus G (International)] grunch21:
I don't know their hardware specs, but those devices released in 2012 and won't get any update beyond their current version.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not defending those manufacturers, as i think we all want good service. I'm just being realistic (or maybe pessimistic?) here. The lack of certainty by LG is definitely frustrating for most. I think it'd be good for all if LG releases their update plan for their devices just like sony and htc did.

Anyway, you mentioned that XPeria S has snapdragon 3 and qualcomm does not support it anymore. I'm not a techie so i don't know whatsoever about software development, but how come there's KK based custom roms for those devices if they don't release the drivers?

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HTC one x released in may 2012 and one x+ november 2012. according to GSMarena.
[LG Optimus G (International)] TheStigOnline:
Thank you :good:

This is a valid point, however, I'd say it's more likely that Sony stopped updates due to not being able to bill Qualcomm if warranty issues arise, as those CPU's are now unsupported, so Qualcomm can wash their hands of any responsibility

No!!!

Agreed, they do need to act and so do we, so let's keep pinging them via FB, our regional LG support sites and by calling them, as call drivers for support are monitored by the business, due to the costs of answering the phone and other metrics ;)

Agreed, as I'm realistic, yet still hopeful and companies mainly stop updates / support for business reasons, which is unfortunate and understandable :)

LG Optimus G E975

Palm Pre

"Success calls five times a day everyday, but people are too busy to answer the call because they are too busy trying to be successful."
[LG Optimus G (International)] CrawnberyJack:
understandable? no way. all the devices are old (old cpu..like he said) . wtf? 2 gb of ram and snapdragon s4 pro and crappy camera software stucked at 4.1? dude..get real. payed 500 euro for an lg stupid camera and 4.1 update in august 2013? and now stay with 4.1 from factory? we need at least 1 major update. i still wait to see what lg is thinking...but in the summer i'll buy a new phone..and than i will probably laugh of lg from the competition camp.