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[Galaxy Note 3 General] foxmeister:
Sorry, but I'd have to disagree with this.

The *vast* majority of people who own Samsung Android phones would have absolutely no idea what Touchwiz was as it's just an Android phone to them. Most users are not technical and would never think of rooting their phone and/or installing a different launcher, and would just be using their phone as is.

If, as you say, most Samsung phone owners dislike TW you'd be seeing diminishing sales with each new device as people were moving away from the interface to something else.

People like us XDA'ers are a tiny minority of Samsung's customers. This is why the regional SIM lock, and KNOX flag etc simply aren't a huge issue for Samsung because most of their user base will never know any different.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Hmm in around 5 Weeks of use I've had one fc I think on my Note 3. All in all my experience is its been pretty fluid, occasionally lags sending an sms but that could network issue .

I'm back on my Note 2, although I like it, it's a bit scratchy compared to my Note 3. But sadly it's worse in audio areas for me.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
OK Rephase!

Everyone I know who has samsung phones *****es about the TW UI that includes my mum as she's non technical. I have not meet one samsung phone owner who likes the interface.

Not everyone will doing something about it tho, moders rooters are in the minority or have the knowledge to be able to do it.

The fact there is Google Play edition of S4, HTC One etc.... shows there customers are who knows the difference between stock andriod and skinned andriod.

Regional lock is a massive problem for business users whom travel and cant use a local SIM racking high roaming bills. For that reason alone sales people in my company are not allowed to have a N3 for a company phone.

KNOX - not many know what that is cos it's new but will probably be in samsung phones from now on.

This corporate feature (SELinux) will hardly be used by most people, if at all.

I do regret getting a N3, it's not all that, overhyped and failed to deliver.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gen3benz:
I dont think so, my girls pics dont look as good IMO. Not to mention her videos suck ass in comparison IMO.

Yeah, you know...the two reasons I bought the N3...

Doesn't matter to me what it looks like its covered in a case. My girls super ultra high quality 5s is covered in a cheap looking pink piece of rubber so it pretty much makes it look cheap.

It's just a phone and i'll be with it for 2 years and maybe they will make it as smooth as an apple....maybe not.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] 1sagain:
Just my Observation on Region LOCKs,

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On a side note

My phone does not over heat (After a few hours of 9GAG an browsing and also watching a 1.3 hour BLU RAY movie on my phone it stayed so cooool to the touch) It gets warm when I play 3D games...

and it does not have the QC issues others are having (I am also REGION / SIM UNLOCKED)(I got no problem with smears/streaks on screen in low light/ (TELUS Canada) my phone works with 10 fingers (no multi touch issues)

My phone is so smooth and snappy and crisp it amazed my friends and coworkers with the N2 and other older devices.

I have never had any force closes either

Honestly though... Android/iOS phones have hit an all time high given the right circumstances.

I have seen horrible performance on the iPhone 5S as well and great performance on my gf's iPhone 5

I have seen horrible performance and issues on U.S. Note 3's (Got friends there reporting back)

I have seen AWESOME performance with my N3, and one other Note 3 from Canada.

Same goes for all other devices.

My Co - workers Nexus 4 is sluggish and feels itchy/twichy at various points.

But another worker has a fantastic Nexus 4

I work in the phone business so I see these things.

I used to get various QC problematic phones in the past

I am VERY happy with my Note 3 haha

The only gripe I have with the Note 3 is the Camera. I don't use phone cameras as I use my own DSLR setup but it would have been nice.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Now people talking even more about iPhone here ?

This thread have gone real bad now .. :p

This phenomena never happened in the GNote2 forum :laugh:

They wouldn't even dare :cool:

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] 1sagain:
Agreed. we shouldn't bring iPhones into this. but ... as you can see..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] djmax81:
Bro .!!!think you on wrong Forms ...Haha I had Note 2 too since it Released. ..so stop compering N2 with N3 ...and get your self some new Upgrade ....coz its Note 3 yoooo.!!!! Admit it or forget it
[Galaxy Note 3 General] wally3614:
Its simple...there will never be a device of universal liking. There cannot be...but for me personally the N3 is the closest thing yet. Beauty brains and bronz on in one. I think camera could be a bit more stout. Speaker system is hard to complain about as how can u expect massive sound from a small speaker on a PHONE...there are mods that work great if u r not satisfied. The resolution vs pixels are beyond sufficient as most people cannot even tell much of a difference had they not actually been told there is one. This phone is thee first and only almost lag free machine out of the box in the last 10yrs. I usually test and run Roms and cannot take anything away from the N3 as far ass performance goes stock. Rooting and freezing apps is even more effective. This will def be the longest device I have ever kept. Usually 6-8 months I change up. For the first time ever I don't see that happening.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MILJANN:
I am the owner of iPhone 5s and iPhone 4 S. IOS is faster OS than android. No doubt. But I cannot do many things on my iPhone. It's simply not smart enough. Much smarter phone is note 3. Smart= Variety of options that device is giving.

Jellybean operating system is on the other hand crowded with options... And then you got lags.. :) So have to decide: Fast or smart? :)

Sent from Apple iPad 4
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
1) screen compared LG / Sony of the same size / class. Both have better colors but they are using IPS technology.

2) yes audio through 3.5 sucks. Stock player (with adapt sound) is OK. Try play a movie or YouTube video - now I have mods it's acceptable quality.

3) You say firmware fixed within 6 months. That's not good enough for a supposed flagship phone.

4) OS - subjective. Depends on your requirements.

5) Build Quality - I only suffered from bad back cover creaking. I have heard worst experiences from others. Also things like sim / sd card not spring loaded. Step backwards from N2.

All in all, what works for one may not work for someone else.

Some people are happy with their N3, unfortunately I am not one of them.

N3 has too many faults (design / build / software / samsung restrictions ) for me to keep.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] avenging:
i agree, iphone is no where near note series' class lol :good:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dral29:
I second that! ?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
vroot has been removed by xda it had malware and spyware uploading your personal data to a Chinese Web site. Xda has removed all links and closed the thread.

I would avoid.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CrashTestDroid:
Glad to see this gripe thread so I can contain the venom regarding this lovely piece of hardware. The only issues I have atm are the ****NG OBNOXIOUS TOUCHWIZ that took a big smelly dump on my Note 3. **** I do hate TouchWiz and all the crapware loaded into this thing. TW is so bloaty and annoying that my nice new GN3 is sitting on a shelf undisturbed bc I can't stand to use it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ganstar:
It's not as fast as I thought it would be either. Whats really telling is scrolling through the home screens is a bit jerky, my s4 was smoother. I have also just bought a nexus 7 2013, and its as rapid and smooth as, with lower specs.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
Mine is on ebay now, can't stand N3. Pile of crap and waste of money.

Worst piece of tech I have ever purchased. When it's sold I am like to go Nexus 5 as it's half the price of the Note 3 and the N3 is not twice as good as N5.

Easy decision.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] foxmeister:
As someone who owns a Nexus5 as well as a Note 3, just a couple of points for you.

1. I don't think think the Nexus 5 is as colour accurate as the Note 3. I've not seen any tests though, so that may be subjective but given that I have my Note 3 set to movie mode because the DisplayMate tests showed that to be very accurate, the Nexus 5 does appear washed out in comparison. I'm not saying it's bad, but this is my opinion when comparing the two next to each other. I also have an HTC One, and the Nexus 5 still appears a little washed out to me, so I don't think this has anything to do with AMOLED over saturation (also DisplayMate say that movie mode on the Note 3 used a regular RGB gamut anyway).

2. The speaker on the Nexus 5 is far worse that the Note 3's. I don't have an issue with the Note 3 speaker myself although I understand the concerns of others. However, the Nexus 5 is bad.

For the money though, the Nexus 5 is very good.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
Great, Sony Z1 then
[Galaxy Note 3 General] qunungnauraq:
More complaints about the SM-N9005 than the SM-N900?

I've been following this thread since it started and I notice there are way more complaints about the SM-N9005 than the SM-N900. Is the SM-N9005 more common or could there be some other reason?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
Which camera do you prefer for pictures? Does the OIS make a noticable difference?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] foxmeister:
I've not really compared cameras as yet. I'm not a great fan of the camera interface on KitKat yet.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
The Z1 speaker is complete cack. Well, the one I tried in a store was.very feeble output.

Also, good luck getting a half decent price on ebay mate, these phones and Samsung in general lose value dramatically as soon as you buy them.

I listed my N3 on Gumtree two days after I purchased it, with receipt etc having paid £620 sim free. None of the jokers on there would offer above £350 lol- it was two days old.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
They are going for about 450ish on ebay. Gumtree full of jokers!

If I get 450 then I will sell it.

I will also actually go to a store a try before I buy this time!

Lesson learnt.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Fair play good luck. Only trouble with eBay is someone savvy buys up and checks the knox counter n you haven't declared it's tripped they can screw you on false description and negative feedback etc?

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And for me, if any of samsungs future flagships have a thin speaker on the bottom. I'll be looking elsewhere. That speaker is the kiss of death for me.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MILJANN:
So why did your get Samsung galaxy note3? You didn't know about TW?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
Went for Nexus 5

- 4 weeks lead time, currently out stock.

4 weeks of Note 3 misery to go
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gen3benz:
Since my first post on this thread I havent had any FCs and installed the nova launcher. I gotta say i like it much more than on my S2. Its a must because of all the wasted space on the home screen.

Do love the s-pen and probably wont own another phone without one. Send one of these to my girl every morning.

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Galaxy Note 3 General] @home:
Why note 3 misery?

Whats wrong with the note 3?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thelostlegend:
i have no problems with my N900 battery life is good and everything s just fine ..although it does get heated up a little while playing games ... thats not a major issue as even 9005 has this problem ... go for 9005 if u want "4k" and interested in custom roms else 900 is brilliant enough
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
I'm torn between my Note 2 and 3..

Note 2 has the audio and speaker I want .

Note 3 has the display I want.

Damn it Samsung combine the two on the 4.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
For me everything, other than the battery life is horrible on N3.

I brought it some 5-6 weeks ago as it was the highest spec phone on the market then and probably still is now.

The overall experience with Samsung has been horrible.

First N3 has gaps and home button issues, it got replaced with another after a lot of hassle and it was the same. Refunded and then purchased elsewhere.

So this is my third N3 in 5 weeks and its still not right. My back cover creaks when i pick up the phone.

So I give up!

My list of hates for N3 is too long to list.

Others are loving the N3 but not me.

I see it I wasted £600 on a piece of crap. Hence why it's getting sold.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Out of the frying pan and in to the fire. Maybe this list will help you line up your "I hate the Nexus 5" gripes for posting in thier forum. ;)

Vibration Motor Defect - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2515791

Faulty Camera, Fix on the Way - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2514650

RMA Thread - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2515575

Defects Thread - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2509455

Biggest Disappointment, Speaker - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2512591

PSA: Dead Pixels - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2512682

Viewing Angle Problems - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2512914

Power Button Rattle Fix - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2512945

And with such limited distribution there aren't that many Nexus 5's in peoples hands. So at 332GBP the Nexus 5 is 33% less than the N3 at 495GBP but so far appears to have at least twice the problems that affect a significantly higher percentage of devices.

P.S. - My 3G Note 10.1 2014 which I ordered based on my satisfaction with the N3 arrives on Saturday. To each their own.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
N3 32GB is £599

N5 32GB is £350

Difference is 42%

Thanks for the heads up but I have already ordered the N5.

I had N4 previously and I had no problems. I am hoping for the same, also I don't like buying first batch as they generally have quality control issues. Am happy to wait 4 weeks for N5.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Limeybastard:
They will my son they will. ..

Sent from my SM-N900T

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I'm coming to England on Monday. Will give you 350 quid for the Note 3.

Sent from my SM-N900T
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kabuk1:
I keep seeing complaints about the wiggly home button but as a phone tech I gotta say that it is NOT a defect. It is normal for buttons to wiggle. You are not going to find one that doesn't have at least some degree of movement just due to the way these phones are constructed. The button itself is just a little piece of plastic & silicone that is aligned with the hole in the screen before the whole unit is assembled. It is not actually attached to anything, it is free-floating inbetween the digitizer and the board underneath. Even if you manage to get one that doesn't wiggle, it will eventually start to wiggle the more you use it as the materials relax. A wiggly home button is not a reason to return the phone.

The screen has gaps to allow for heat expansion & contraction. Its the same principle behind expansion joints in bridges. Gaps are normal and are only a defect if they're uneven.

As for your battery life, have you tried at all to narrow down the problem? You can use wakelock detector to see what's using up your resources, or enable developer options and check "show CPU usage" to see what's at the top of the list. I and most other N3 users get great battery life so there's something going on with yours. This phone is not a battery hog, in fact for the powerhouse that it is it's actually AMAZING on battery. If you can't get through a day on a single charge you're either using it constantly or there's probably a runaway process or app behind the drain.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
No, the button issue was resolved on my third N3.

Screen is poor design, HTC One doesn't have gaps nor did my Nexus 4.

Battery is the best I seen on a smartphone.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] @home:
Really sorry to hear about your problems with the Note 3.

Not sure if I've been lucky or you unlucky - Mines been no problem at all, no defects nothing.

I do have the N5 as well & both are good but the build quality on the N3 is way way better.

I hope you find the right phone for you & happiness:good:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] efjbdejong:
Gd reading this thread isn't really helping me. Wanted the note 3 really bad, now I am not so sure.

Reading here maybe I would get a note 2. Please reconvince me I need the note 3!

Want some positive points here!!!!

Maybe some dutch guys can help me out here....

EJ

The Netherlands
[Galaxy Note 3 General] avenging:
speakers not as good as the note 2? i dont think so, its quite loud actually.

i have no issues with the home button at all

my only complaint is so far is a little difficult to unsheathe the spen

my new note 3 is only a few hours old but im so happy i finally have one :good::cyclops::fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
The issue for me isn't volume . It's quality of sound that emanates from the N3 speaker. It's harsh, I've tried two of the best sound mods in a vain attempt to calm it down. It's gets passable but not much better than that to my ears.

Note 2 beats it hands down audio wise. I'll never change my stance on that one.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] avenging:
i dont know about harsh but like i said i listened to both playing the same songs and the same videos and i didnt hear anything amiss but it must either be me or i just got lucky getting a nice unit :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
I'm constantly back to backing them. Note 2 every time. Pees me off cos otherwise I like the 3.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Why don't you get the still excellent and much cheaper Note 2 and then afterwards Note3_turbo it:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2504016

:cool:

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
+1

I did this to my Note 2 and it frustrates me even more that I got a Note 3 and spent so much money needlessly.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] avenging:
i traded mine so i didnt pay that much lol. also i love how my gallery loads my gazillion pics much faster than my note 2 :p
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MILJANN:
You went for a crappy camera and battery.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] qunungnauraq:
Speaker Replacement?

I've seen the Note 3 disassembled in pictures and it appears the speaker is located in the rear housing which is pretty easy to access. If the impedance and wattage were known, it wouldn't be hard to change the speaker or replace it with a modular cable and wire a speaker into the back cover. If I weren't satisfied with the speaker in my SM-N900 I'd try one of those mods.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
It's an idea, but not something I'd be willing to try, if I knew someone adept I'd consider it.

I reckon if more of the speaker was exposed as opposed to the slit we see , itd improve matters . No idea how to widen the area around the speaker tho.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
The N2 is based on the same architecture as the 18 month old SGS3 and has the same 8MP camera. The Mali 400 is so outclassed by the GPUs that came after it that its benchmark scores are about 1/3. Early Mali's did great with fill; they were the champs. Vector was always a weakness and you can't "turbo" that away or fix it with s/w. Is the N2 a great value? Absolutely. But to say it's comparable to the N3 is like saying the One X is comparable to the One which itself is a generation behind the N3.

Signed,

A former (happy) N2 owner

;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Once again , my Note 2 is better camera wise, I much prefer it to my 3 especially in low light. Note 3 is a shocker - if I take pics of the dog or cat moving even slightly, forget it. It's a blurry mess. Moment lost forever.

Note 3 is fantastic for stills outdoors on a sunny day tho. Super ;)

Oh and the slow motion video is way more noisy on the 3 than the 2.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
All I know is that my GNote2 is handling all those GNote3 goodies smoooooothly........like butter .....

And the leaked 4.3 Note2 firmware is not even that stable.....meaning . it will only get better, Mr. Overkill :laugh:

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] qunungnauraq:
Night panorama taken while moving the camera in a sweeping motion

Here is a night panorama taken while moving the SM-N900 camera in a sweeping motion:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bruce lee roy:
Get n2 and upgrade to n4 next year. N3 is not worth money. Next year's n4 will likely sport 4k resolution, fewer qc issues, 64 bit processor, and built in light saber.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] avenging:
wow i guess the N9 "pisses" on this too lol
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bruce lee roy:
Damn that looks sexy! One question though: will it trip the knox counter if I flash?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Wonderful. But sit in your front room with kids playing and dogs and cats running around, try and capture good shots of them. .near impossible. Cos in low light setting if you move your shot blurs. And flash takes too long to fire as well.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Knox is all gone in that Rom......no traces of it ....

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
It's a superb rom. Great all round including battery. I can't knock it actually.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] qunungnauraq:
I just took two low light moving photos. One was 13MP and the other was 8MP. The low light photo at 8MP was much brighter and less granular than the 16MP photo. I then tried using the flash at 8MP and it was much faster.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Freshly made. An outdoor concert at night lit by (green) stage lighting with the band moving while they're playing.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] note3userr:
Not really a remorse but I have a question and didn't want to start a whole new thread. I downloaded asphalt today and I got a little notification near the bottom of the screen saying internal storage 586mb or something along those lines but in my settings it shows I'm only using 11gb of my storage. I downloaded a few more apps and got the same pop up and the storage kept getting less and less.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Kiwito22:
What things do you absolutely hate about the phone?

The camera sticking out making the phone very unstable on a flat surface. I absolutely hate that. I like to put the phone on the table and play with it.

What is disappointing about it?

Low light camera quality. I knew it wasnt very good, but didnt expect that kind of level of ****ty.

What will you mod on the phone?

Id like to root it and install modified sammy roms with custom kernels, overclocking support etc. Hopefully someone fixes the horrible camera

EDIT: Also the loudspeaker is horrible. I feel like its trying to pierce my eardrums. Horrible highs and trebble. My note 2 might be a tad weaker but it sounds so much better
[Galaxy Note 3 General] acerdroid:
I must say I dont have any regrets buying this phone I have the snapdragon version open to all networks in South Africa. I had the note 2 witch was not bad at all then I got s4 and that was a massive mistake talk about laggggg city. I got my n3 yesterday within 3 hours had it rooted custom recovery still on stock rom and this phone is flying no lag no stutter just brilliant screen quality is perfect love my N3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MILJANN:
For the people who are complaining about the pictures at night:

Get to know your device

Here is the answer

http://youtu.be/ajlQMuebFhI
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Yawn. No, it's not the answer, I've been messing around with that setting for weeks it's no secret it's easy to find.

It's ok for static, still shots in low light. That's all.

If you zoom in on low light shots, wtf? It looks like a cartoon picture. What is that all about?