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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Han Solo 1:
What the bloody hell?

I was of the mind that this forum thread was relevant to unknown issues that we might share amongst ourselves in order to ascertain whether we would like to purchase this handset or not.

All I find, however, is some childish bickering, whining, and crying about build quality, as if these bloody dolts hadn't read any of the hundred accounts regarding the specifications of said handset?

What a bloody waste of time. If you do not prefer plastic yet purchased the Note 3 regardless, well don't whine and cry about it! And I bloody well hope that you leave it in your auto and return to find it a heaping mess of melted plastic, it's not less than what you fools deserve!

Sent from my Crapple iPhone 5
[Galaxy Note 3 General] americasteam:
Exactly what I've been saying. Just look at that premium build quality. The only phone I've dropped in years was the HTC One. Got me a nice dent and a scuff (black model). That ended premium build for me. Premium does not mean durability! Bet that One pictured feels great in the hand now!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MohJee:
I've tried to create a thread for users to list the issues of their Note3 here, but for the most part I was the only one who contributed to the list and the thread died a slow death :rolleyes:

Maybe because the device doesn't have that many

real issues

in the first place.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Those *****ing about the external speaker can feel vindicated. Here's what Engadget said in their review. Their reviews are subjective rather than objective so I'm waiting for GSMArena's lab tests before passing final judgement. But anecdotally I'd say the N3 isn't for those that live and die by the external speaker.

We briefly mentioned earlier how the speaker quality disappointed during video playback. In our opinion, it's actually one the Note 3's weakest features. We all know that playing music aloud on your phone in a public place is a crime against humanity, but with the Note 3, it'd be outright torture. We tested it side by side with the Galaxy S 4, playing the same music files, and the difference isn't just noticeable; it's night and day. The sound from a phone speaker is never going to be high-fidelity, but the Note 3 simply sounds cheap, brash and irritating to the ears. We're keen to remind you that this is only in relation to the internal speaker, which we'd hoped might actually be superior, given the potential space for a bigger driver. On headphones, the sound is much better, directly comparable with the GS4. Which is good, because the Note 3 can handle an exhaustive list of media formats, including all the usual suspects (MP3, WAV, M4A, AAC and FLAC), plus plenty more you might never encounter (though if you're a heavy XMF and IMY user, it's good to know you're covered).​
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
You trust Gsm arenas audio evaluation? Supercurio of voodoo sound fame doesn't, I'd rather listen to his views on sounds tbh.

And based on Gsm's previews, they're already nodding in the general direction that the audio is pretty decent, when it really isn't.

But forget music quality for a mo, it's anything that comes out of the speaker that grates my ears, notifications sound thin etc..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fonejacker:
Region Locking !!

I would not have ordered this phone if I knew there was an issue with region sim locking. :(

With region locking you are forced to use carriers data roaming charges which are often 100 times larger than using a local sim for data and calls when in another region on business or holiday.

Samsung have yet to put out a full announcement on the region locking so in the meantime it's anyone's guess the full implication of the region locking.

See the full thread here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2457964
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Who the hell cares? From your ranting I already knew the N3 speaker wasn't as good as the N2's. Engadget and SuperCurio agree. What I don't know is how inferior it is. Is it 20% less loud? 10% more distorted? That's what GSMArena's lab tests will show. Unless it's completely unusable (which I doubt) it won't affect me because, unlike you and others, the external speaker isn't even in the top 10 list of features I care about.

And I asked above what people freaking out about the external speaker use it for and how often they use it. I'm curious because as Engadget said in their review using it in public is obnoxious. So where are people using it that they don't have access to better output (EG: headphone or stand-alone speakers)? I have a cheap portable BT speaker I picked up in HK that's my worst of many external speakers. It's head-and-shoulders above the best onboard speaker(s) on any mobile device. Sorry, I still don't get why the external speaker thing is such a big deal. But if the N3's turns out to be so bad it's unusable I promise to join you (and others) in your rants.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] TeamPowerstroke:
So the N3 is not going to sound better than my home audio system!!! Garbage! Now when I show my friends YouTube videos they won't think I'm cool because it doesnt sound like a boom box!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
What I highlighted in your post isn't true and not what Samsung introduced region lock for. It exists for one reason. To deter people from buying devices in one region and using them in another (grey market sales). It appears to be broken in some cases and causing a handful of people issues but those issues aren't by design and can be assumed to be temporary. Even those being affected can get their region lock removed for free by Samsung (one of the reasons region lock is stupid). I'm not defending region lock but people should educate themselves on it fully before forming an opinion about how it will affect them personally. And reading the FUD being spread on XDA isn't a substitute for education.

If you want to learn more and discuss it until you're nauseous there are tons of people in the following thread that would welcome your participation. I'd recommend a Google search and reading the latest published by reputable media outlets instead.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2457964
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MohJee:
I'm quite curious as to how Endgadget got a score of 1,103ms on SunSpider.

I'm getting 580-600ms using Samsung's stock browser and I have the screenshots to prove it. I assume that maybe for some reason they used another browser for this test, my Note3 is the LTE model as well (the one they used for their review).

Also, my Quadrant score is usually ~22,000 and Antutu fluctuates around ~32,000 - 35,000, which is higher than the results reported by them.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
I noticed that too. Their testing isn't very methodical. Their also using an international LTE N3 on AT&T (Engadget is U.S. based) which isn't compatible with AT&T's LTE bands. So it's an interesting read but not a substitute for GSMArena, AnandTech, and Notebook Check DE which use consistent and standardized testing in their evaluation of devices.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
One more complaint that goes under the "If you'd bothered to do 30 seconds of reading, you'd have known." category. :rolleyes:

Still no actual real issues.

Also, the region lock also exists on the S3, S4, S4 mini and Note 2. You just don't notice because you've already been using it with a local sim.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Don't be a jack... My main gripe with Samsung is the fact that they've gone backwards with the audio they've regressed, apart from that it's a nice handset.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] YankInDaSouth:
I know the topic of sound quality is extremely subjective, but I just stopped by a local AT&T store to play with the N3 and thought the external speaker held it's own. Now, I'm no audio guru ... so there was no real testing of any sort done. Just simply played some YouTube videos and thought the volume and clarity was good - especially in a noisy store environment. Now, I realize my opinion may change when I get mine and start playing my music on it, but my first initial thought was it isn't that far off from my Note 2 ...

Take that as you may as these are just my thoughts and opinions ...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Yes and no. The audio output quality of both N3's (Octa and S-800) are as good as anything else out there right now. The N3's external speaker is inferior to the SGS4's which itself is superior to the N2's. When quantified testing is done we'll know exactly where the N3's external speaker performance falls. So for those who define audio as what's output through the external speaker your statement is 100% true. For those with high-end audio gear it's false as that group would cut off a limb before listening to audio output by a monaural speaker for any length of time which the N2, SGS4, and N3 all utilize.

Here's some of what goes in to evaluating "real" audio speakers. Does any of it really apply to mobile device’s which are so far at the bottom of the scale in those categories as for the differences to be irrelevant when judging true audio quality? And trust me on this one; SuperCurio's fine work and meticulous tuning has absolutely nothing to do with improving output on any mobile device’s tinny external speaker and everything to do with helping audiophiles achieve maximum output performance on AV equipment capable of supporting the nuanced improvements.

Woofer size

Tweeter performance

Frequency response and range

Sensitivity

Impedance

Watts
[Galaxy Note 3 General] chong67:
Plastic seems to be a finger print and grease magnet. Why is that?

That's why I don't like it and stay away from plastic laptop and phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
You've obviously never owned a stainless steel fridge. :rolleyes:

How about washing your hands once in a while.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
This made me laugh out loud because it's so true. And the stainless steel cleaners can actually make it look worse than the finger prints they are supposed to remove. Too funny.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Great reply, thanks. Well let's see, to some degree I've been vindicated with the couple of reviews that have been posted here, let's see how it all pans out when it rolls out worldwide.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] redpill2016:
I have a 2 y/o, a 4 y/o, and a stainless steel fridge. Ugh. I wind up just using a quick wipe with rubbing alcohol and a microfiber cloth, works as well as anything else and it's cheap.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gavinfabl:
The Note 3 speaker is fine just not as loud as the Note 2. A HTC One loudspeaker scores 10/10. iPhone 5S 9/10 Note 2 8/10. Note 3 5/10.

In fact apart from the lower volume loudspeaker, everything else is awesome.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Sorry, I disagree. harsh treble is the problem with the n3, nothing to do with volume. It's plenty loud unfortunately.

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Fair enough, I tried in store myself and thought it wasn't that bad, but when home, listening to music, notifications, and watching stuff on you tube that I was used to on my n2 the drop in quality as I perceive it, is really noticeable.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] YankInDaSouth:
Yes a 5-10 minute evaluation in a store is by no means a "final say" on the matter :p I honestly do not rely that much on the external speaker except for notifications and ringtones. If music is being played I used either headphones or an external speaker via headphone jack.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
I'm coming from an S3 (which has horrible audio), any major difference in quality there? And did you use manual EQ settings or just default? Stock music player or 3rd party? (I noticed a distinct difference on my S3 between Stock, PlayerPro and N7player.)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
lol..... Three minutes with a radial buffer and it looks brand new all over again.... And the stove and the dishwasher..

I have way too many stainless appliances....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Ryland Johnson:
I don't think I feel 'remorse' for purchasing the note 3 with the gear, I do feel disappointed in some hardware areas. The UI is a matter of taste, I like it and this UI has so many features. My guess would be if on is new to Android the Note 3 would be a very difficult first mobile. For season Android users it can be a dream.

So far I am enjoying the user experience BUT sincerely think Samsung need to listen to their customers regarding the quality of the hardware.

I went from Samsung etc to Sony and back to Samsung. The Ultra is just too large for me but the Xperia Z has been a joy to own and use. The Xperia tablet 10.0 is also superb both in terms of UI and hardware. I think the way the Note three is made has polarised the community, one either likes it or hates it. I am one of the latter.

I just cant wait 'till those cases come out. They are very expensive but anything to get rid of that plastic leather back.

I think its going to take time until we can say if the Gear and the Note are up to standard construction wise. The Sony Xperia Z series look and feel premium. Shame they made a tablet with a phone rather than a phablet.

If only we could have a 'Sonsam'....best of both worlds. Choice is a wonderful thing though so lets be thankful we have them. I am doing my very best to get past the feel of the Note 3 and enjoy its many user attributes.

Regards
[Galaxy Note 3 General] geoff5093:
You can't say plastic is cheap and looks horrible, just look at phones such as the HTC DNA, DROID MAXX, Moto X, etc. All plastic phones, but the look and feel is much better than the greasy plastic of the S3/S4/N2, and better than the fake leather N3.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] redpill2016:
Whether or not that's the case (obviously subjective), it shouldn't be a point of buyer's remorse since if what the back of your phone looks like is such a concern you can easily wait until you are able to handle a demo unit in the store. I don't have much sympathy for people if they are nitpickers and then order a phone sight-unseen.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
I had an S3 myself, I don't recall it sounding as harsh as this. I used stock player and built in eq settings tbh.

I just had another mess around with my n3, i wish I could take to the sound because the display is gorgeous.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Ryland Johnson:
With respect. NO domestic mobile phone will tolerate dropping well, non. Sony, Apple, Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG etc, will all suffer f they are dropped. I have not seen an argument that contradicts this. THE point is The HTC One, while in the hand and not on the floor, does look and feel like a premium mobile. The Sony Xperia Z range look and feel like they are a premium phone. Drop any of them and non will enjoy the experience.

It is absurd to accept cheap plastic leather and cheap plastic metal just because other phones made from quality materials break when they are dropped? Drive any mark of car into a wall and it will ding and bend? Point is until we ding our multi thousand euro car it feels like a million euros and drives like a million euros.

The Note 3 and the Gear remind me of the chap who tried to place a BMW engine in his Mini. All engine and no substance to hold it.

I want a quality mobile for my quality money so when I drop it, it breaks like a quality mobile:laugh:

CAT make a phone that can take a few knocks. Looks like a house brick though.

Regards.

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With regard to the speaker debate. These are mobile phones not home stereo systems. I do agree with you guys and gals when you write the speaker quality of the Note 3 is as bad as I have heard on a mobile phone BUT, the speaker is designed to be used as a phone speaker not a floor standing amplifier driven Cd sourced separate home system.

IF you desire to use the mobile to listen to music, and I do, use the head phone port BUT replace the Samsung head phones with an other branded set like Sennheiser etc. We have to be realistic about what a mobile phone can achieve. With regard to on board processing for listening to music I suggest the Sony range with their own player being heard though sennheiser head phones (or another well branded mark of your choice).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] americasteam:
So you're comparing dropping a phone to driving a car into to a wall? You do realize that if you scuff your Note 3 back you can........ just order another one right? You do realize that every time you drop a device that it's not going to implode into a thousand pieces right? Phones are dropped all the time and are picked up, dusted off, and don't have a scratch on them. Drop your precious iPhone or your HTC One and you're.... well........ stuck with a bunch of dents, chips, and if your lucky, one or both of your speaker grills on your HTC One have popped off. Just because something looks and feels pretty, doesn't mean it's a better material. ;)

How much plastic is in your fancy new car?

You know it's plastic. There are 1,281,027 other devices out there to purchase. If you don't like the build quality of Samsung then quit complaining and buy one of those. :victory:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Regarding mobile sound, I'd be over the moon with Samsung if they'd kept the same speaker and speaker placement as they did on the note 2, but they didn't, and it shows.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Ryland Johnson:
The art of debate is dead here. Telling a member to buy another phone is rather puerile. I was under the impression this was a forum where members could debate and share experiences? I have not suggest how you spend your money please don't tell me how to spend mine. Further Why do you try to stifle debate. I can see zero reason why the Note cannot be manufactured to a higher standard we have paid a premium price, if I am not mistaken I cant recall a more expensive phone.

Again and sounding like a parrot all such devices will break if dropped. That is not even on debate. My question is why has Samsung not taken on board several years of customer complaints regarding their use of plastics? Sure they sell by the boat load BUT imagine if they improved on the quality they could arguably corner the market and put other brands out of business.

I purchased the phablet with eyes open. I am merely agreeing with many reviews when they question samsungs wisdom in yet again using plastics. I guess plastic leather and plastic metal is a step in the right direction? How difficult can it be to improve on the aesthetics?

Apple are not my taste, been there done the Apple thing. One thing Apple cannot be faulted on is their quality of materials and construction plus customer sales and customer care. May I remind you the Note 3 is now as expensive in Europe as the new Apple just released. People pay for Apple because of the overall experience.

Do you realise even the bloody boxes my Note 3 and Gear came in where crap looking wooden paper? Is anything about these new devices what it appears?

This is a consumer owner opinion only. I paid my cash and in doing so bought the right to debate what I paid for in a civil manner with fellow owners on a public forum.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Nebell:
I dislike the root security and Touchwiz. Also the plastic on the back doesn't feel like leather, although it's much better than old Samsung phones (or my One X), but here's hoping that a third party will release genuine leather back sometimes in the future =)

I love pretty much everything else :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jeromepearce:
Well ... when your profile pic has a picture of you stuffing a burger half the size of your head into your mouth, that may be an indication of the cause ... Just sayin' :cyclops:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] HughesNet:
A metal edge bezel combined with choice of back covers that cover a wide range of materials from wood to metal to leather to colored plastic. The removable back cover is a plus if they use it right! Then again doing this makes it nearly impossible for 3rd parties to effectively design cases.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] chong67:
Plastic does show more of the grease and film than aluminum or metal does.

I use to have a plastic back phone, the Nexus 4. I have to wipe the front and the back.

With my HTC One or iphone, you don't have to wipe the back because its not plastic.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] americasteam:
My apologies. I'm not sure what there is to debate here. The build quality is what it is. We have no control over it.

At least you get the faux wood box. AT&T gets a nasty old generic orange box. :eek:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] redpill2016:
Surely you realize the irony of talking about how phones show grease when your icon

is crushing a burger :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
On the subject of dropping, the HTC HD2 survived a 10 meter drop without so much as a scratch. (I, on the other hand...) Now that phone had a premium metal build quality.

And still had a removable back cover and SD slot.

The cause, however, lies not with the plastic itself, but with the polish and shine of the surface.

Both the One and the Iphone have brushed/matte backs, whereas the one and Galaxy's have a smooth polish.

Send From My Samsung Galaxy S3 Using Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
So there is always another twist to this argument/discussion.

As someone who has paid for the product it is absolutely your right/prerogative to question/debate the foresight or the lack of in choosing a polycarbonate material for the body of the phone. However in doing so you should also have formed an opinion as to why maybe Samsung hasn't of yet made this jump in build quality.

So here is my reasoning for the lack of premium build quality materials being used in the GS series of phones.

1. Cost (pretty self explanatory, maybe not.)

2. Weight ( It would almost double the current weight of the phone)

3. What exactly is a premium build quality phone? HTC One, Apple 5S etc.. Is it the cheap quality HTC One Aluminum that is bantered about as being the Premium Build quality material?

3B. What happens currently when a premium phone is dropped? Well according to the internet and the pictures that are posted here is an example.

4. Imagine what would happen with a device with twice the weight with the same type of build materials being dropped.

5. I also wish it had a better housing other than the current polycarbonate build. I wish it was Real Carbon Fiber Weave. But then you have to pay Real Carbon Fiber Cost.

6. Do you subscribe to never dropping your phone? Or putting a case on it?

Won't it be even bigger and then weigh even more with the "Premium build" materials?

7. Its not a bottle of MaCallan's 50 year whiskey. So it won't come in a

I can keep going on and on and on...

The reality is because of they way the phone is typically used by the masses who make up the community of GN series phones, not everyone will take as good as care of the phone as you may in your day to day use of the product. It will fall off a desk, a bar, down some stairs, out of your lap onto the asphalt, out of a purse, out of a pants pocket, your kid will use it as a frisbee, or try to hit the dog with it, or whatever little munsters do with delicate electronics. The phone will fall at some point in its life cycle. Chances are it will fall numerous times. The Polycarbonate material give it the best overall chance of survival.

As Always YMMV
[Galaxy Note 3 General] xManMythLegend:
The art of debate usually dies when a guy complains his phone box wasn't real wood.

Do you expect your child's race car bed to actually go 200mph?

People would be HAPPY to debate this topic. However NEGATIVE comments about things everyone knows ahead of time are just silly and look like trolling.

A simple "What other materials or finish could Samsung use for Galaxy series?"

"Do you think Galaxy phones are worth the premium with Nexus line proving affordability" Something in a nicer package would prompt an actual debate.

I take it English is your second language? If so, you speak it very well and much better than even some American born folks... However something about your delivery and tone may be getting lost in translation. Because you are coming off as whiny and naive.