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[Galaxy Note 3 General] irzero:
The speaker is quieter and smaller than the Note 2, Anandtech have covered this in their review. This seems to be the biggest trade off from the N2.

For me im going to get LTE in December and i dont even have DC-HSDPA on my Note 2. I also get much better resolution and CPU/GPU power. I got the phone for £500 off Amazon sealed brand new.

I hope its more solid than the crappy note 2 which creaks and the paint comes off the bezel with the slightest knock. The screen im hoping is better too because i really like the N2 screen.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Gal...&qid=1382293843&sr=8-1&keywords=galaxy+note+3

Lol look at all the sad whiners crying about the region lock and giving it a 1 star review.

They need to get a life
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Yes, probably it's easier for them to get a life and move on to another phone, than for Samsung to get its policies straight ....

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Those 46 people are in large part from the region lock thread here. And with 40MM Note-series sold to-date 46 crazies aren't going to singularly bring the N3 or Samsung down. I don't like the policy but I do understand why Samsung's done it and it's their right to do so. Their two biggest gaffes which people should be upset about are: A) the lack of upfront communication about region lock, and 2) implementation of it borked the ability for some folks who unlocked their N3 with the correct regional SIM to end up with a globally unlocked device as Samsung promised. I'm still importing a region locked 3G Note 10.1 2014 when it's released and do intend to use in Asia, Latin America, EAME. Now that region lock is out in the open "A" from above no longer really exists as a gripe. People that are morally opposed to region lock and/or don't trust Samsung's stated position ("unlock local, use global) shouldn't buy a N3 or most likely any future Samsung phone because region lock is here to stay.

The other thing that has people up in arms is the eFuse tamper-resistant warranty detector that Samsung can use to withhold warranty support by having clear knowledge that a device has been running non-standard s/w. How onerous that is depends on how Samsung handles warranty repairs going forward. If they continue to repair non-s/w related damage as usual (EG: cracked bezel, dead 3.5mm jack, bad USB port) then there's not really an issue. If someone overclocks their N3 and melts the CPU/GPU they should have to pay to get it repaired. Everyone makes it sound like all those on XDA are brilliant. There are a lot of neophytes who shoot first and ask questions later and f- up their devices leaving Samsung responsible for fixing them. And anyone on XDA for a while knows what that group's capable of. I'd guess they and not knowledgeable enthusiasts are the targets of the tamper-resistant warranty detector.

Here’s where what’s said on XDA goes sideways. There aren’t enough people on XDA to influence mobile industry direction. There are 5.3M XDA members and Samsung’s going to sell 250M mobile devices this year. And those 5.3M members care far more about things like locked bootloaders, eFuse, and region lock than do the average consumer. So by all means vote with your wallets and avoid Samsung if their policies and direction are offensive. But, based on pure volume, everyone here is expandable.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
Yep

The region lock does not drag it down to a 1 star phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
As I wrote long before I had a hunch that, this yet another Samsung's low ,could piss off , this time , a much larger group,meaning outside the XDA and other Android's forums spectrum, and for the first time I am seeing tons of non-android-forums related sites talking about the region-lock

Let's wait and see......money talks ....

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
If you dislike "Region Lock" just wait for the device to be released in your part of the world...

The wait is what 2 weeks tops for the device to get to you after launch??? I don't understand what's the big deal.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
Wow - are there really 5.3 million XDA users?? That's very impressive and I would have never thought there were so many!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's the problem, and it's actually a compliment. You and others here are too smart and assume others share that level of sophistication. Using my freinds as an example, less than 10% would have any idea what the things we've been talking about in this thread mean. And an even smaller percentage would care even if I offered to explain it to them.

Take region lock. I'm sure the lion's share of phone purchasers buy their devices in their home towns. So via a carrier, shop, or online they'd buy a device in the region Samsung meant it to be sold in. If region lock worked 100% of the time the way Samsung says it should (unlock local, use global) they'd be totally unaffected and most likely blissfully unaware. In their own naive way that's probably why Samsung underplayed the significance of region lock. Locked bootloaders, eFuse, and Knox kind of fall in the same category. The masses don't know or care what those things are so while we, an informed audience, are up in arms the masses are completely ignorant.

HTC, Motorola, and Asus all have harsh warranty policies when their unlocking tool is used to unlock a device. Their sales have been pretty much unaffected (even though all three aren't exactly doing well) because 95% of their customers don't know or care what a bootloader is.

In other words, what pushes people's buttons on XDA isn't representative of the masses and probably never will be.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] blackfire12:
No buyer's remorse about the phone but maybe in switching to Sprint... hating the reception, or lack thereof, I'm getting indoors anywhere...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Once again....I am not talking about Forum users,bootloaderss, Knox, closed sources, etc....

I am talking about what sellers, re-sellers and people who care to read certain stickers and being fooled with misinformation are saying...

If next firmware upgrades will really bring an effective " normal sim activation" thing to all phones, you can be sure that that's because Samsung heard something...

The noise is different now and if I'm wrong, I don't really care..

Samsung is not getting my money this time...

Maybe next time...

Off course the GNote2 helps too...For the first time I am having a hard time to upgrade a phone after 1 year of use.....

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
Some days I do miss my Note 2 but that's only for one reason alone. FM radio.

The Knox thing I don't care about. We have de la Vega now and in conjunction with xposed there is little to gain from custom roms.

Maybe a few months down the track but by then there will be no warranty anyway.

Sent from my SM-N9005
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dxzh:
Agree about not to buy N3 - at least until Samsung clarify their position to make clear that "unlock local, use any global SIM". And explain to those who activated their GS3 and other Samsung phones many months ago, how the roll-out of the new regional lock to them in forthcoming updates is intended to impact (if at all) on them.

Agree in part. Reality is Samsung will likely continue to use it as an excuse for the warranty repairs for the non-s/w related damages, particularly if most of warranty repairs are in practice as a result of over-enthusiastic tinkerers. However, the move towards business enterprise and BYOD devices will also lead to the targets being the knowledgeable enthusiast who will be actively disliked for and discouraged from tampering and picking holes in Samsung's security software. Moreover as Knox is a potential new revenue line (which is why the TS&Cs reserve the right to charge consumers a subscription for it in future) it would be naive to think that Samsung would agree to allow it to be removed from all its consumer phones, let alone its business ones.

Agree again - the sad thing is that for those who have appreciated the difference in Samsung brand and customer experience from that of Apple and the like because its android phones have been less locked down, the promise of an improved customer experience is PR spin.

That said:

- US customers will clearly for the most part not care about the regional lock as their phones are already utterly locked down and likewise contract customers in Europe,

- business enterprise customers will welcome the move to control information and lock out the free-spirited through efuse, locked bootloaders, attestation, etc,

- networks will see benefits in a more restricted ability for customers to modify bloat, roam freely and sidestep network "features" and will push this phone in their product channels more keenly,

so perhaps the PR guys are right after all when consider Samsung's own corporate interests and its wider customer base in saying this will generate, on balance an improved customer experience.

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Still live with tiny faint glimmer of hope on FM radio - http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46625946&postcount=38.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
Couldn't agree more.

XDA is not endicative of the majority of people out there. This is what I'm getting at in the Note III vs iPhone thread and why most people just don't care or have an interest in certain things such as rooting or an open OS.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dantxx:
Actually I have no regrets about buying this note 3.

Is not a bump but is working like a charm in my hand.

Idk about the heat problems and low baterry problems everyone is blaming.

As I posted up I've been using for the last 72 hours in a hard way and the battery toke 24h to drain.. Way better than my note 2
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
I suddenly started having a lot. Missing fm radio more and more each day and I'm not sure I've gained much for the money I've spent

Sent from my SM-N9005
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
I was pretty burnt out yesterday from the day/night before drinking, and at one point was laying down in bed and browsing amazon on my phone. I fell asleep and must have knocked the "1 click buy" button because I've just found out today I ordered this phone :lol:

I've tried cancelling it but I think its been dispatched!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dantxx:
Hahaha haha hahaha lol

This is the worst apologize I've ever seen
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
Apologize?

Dunno what you're on about, but it is indeed exactly what happened. I have since phoned them up and cancelled it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jlevy73:
Now that's some funny sh** right there. Thanks for the laugh.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
I can kind of see you and others feeling that way. How people feel about the N3 all depends on how much they intend to get out of it. It's a productivity user's (me for example) dream. I've already got about 20 S Note projects going and have about 200 items stored in the Scrap Book. The new multiwindow approaches are incredibly well thought out and useful.

For people that only want a high-end phone (S-800, 5" display) the N3 could easily be overkill and something like the LG G2 or Nexus 5 would be a better value because they are a lot less money. For people that want a 5.5" plus display but could care less about Samsung's wiz bang features the decisions a little harder. The display on the N3 is indeed one of its most outstanding features. S-800 and 3GB of RAM also make performance great. But a LG G-Pro (which is a better choice than the N2 for people that don't already own one) is a lot less money, has a full HD display, and removable battery and expandable storage.

As for the FM radio, I always laugh when it comes up. There's a diehard group that freaks out every time another manufacturer omits it. It's getting to the point of trying to find a new car with a cassette player (and soon a CD player). I know a faction of people are still clinging to the FM radio but it's going the way of the Do-Do.

Bottom line is that no phone is "perfect" for everyone and that included the N3.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] @home:
You

You are wrong about the fm radio. Just because someone likes it & wants it on their device didn't make them die hard.

It's called choice & I would have liked the fm radio to have been present on the note 3 as well.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
I'm not "wrong" because I could personally care less about it. Because you and some subset of others may care about it doesn't make you "right" it just means that it's a feature that's important to you. Obviously you and others are no longer a candidate for a Samsung phone since the FM radio's been gone since the SGS4.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
Using words like "I laugh when" puts people's heckles up. Then you imply that fm radio is dying and people should just accept that. Then you get on you high horse about wrong and right after saying it makes you laugh when people say they miss it. Get over yourself mate.

Sent from my SM-N9005
[Galaxy Note 3 General] @home:
Take A Chill Pill, mate.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
I probably could have chosen my words better. But if you've followed any of the FM radio threads they are kind of humorous. And it's not an important feature to a large majority of people.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2220262
[Galaxy Note 3 General] barondebxl:
I personally do not care about fm radio. Never thought of it and wouldnt use it. But to each his own.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
Whatever radio station you like to listen to, chances are they have a internet stream of the same music playing in real time....

Barry,

Some people want to listen to "Hotel California" 4 times an hour or "Little Wayne's newest atrocity" .... Such is the lay of the land..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Tubgirl:
I just asked myself this question:

- Would I trade in my Note2 for a Note3 without paying a single cent?

NO!! I wouldn't!!

I'm not going to let Barry or anybody else dictate what right or wrong for ME!

For ME the speaker is totally unacceptable and nobody is going to tell me it's not. Speakers on ALL phones as pretty crappy to start with so why would I want to settle with anything less than I already have? For a millimeter thinner phone? I don't think so...

With a slightly less thin phone maybe they could work out the overheating issue causing the screen to dim when overloaded.

As a test I think Samsung should release a 3 mm thicker Note3 with improved sound, cooling and battery and see if it sells... I would buy it in a heartbeat!

Brgds...

PS. I can totally afford a N3 if I wanted it... money is no issue in this matter whatsoever, trust me.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
You cancelled it? You just ignored your sub-conscience...:laugh:

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Why don't you or [MENTION=4753467]JCM800[/MENTION] start a poll on the importance of the external speaker like the one I posted above that was in the SGS4 forum regarding the FM radio? I think you'd be surprised how few people share your concern over the external speaker nor would they avoid the N3 because of it.

Did you form that opinion from this thread? Kind of a reach, no?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2491443

And you shouldn't. And it's not my intent. But by the same token you shouldn't assume everyone shares your priorities. As an example, [MENTION=4753467]JCM800[/MENTION] got his N3 before most people here and before objective testing was done on its speaker. After reading his early posts I was expecting the worst when I got my N3. The external speaker is fine. It may not have the depth of the N2’s but it’s just as loud. So you think it sucks badly enough to keep a year-old phone because of it and I think it’s fine. Neither of us is right or wrong, our priorities and standards are different and who knows what the priorities and standards of those reading both our comments are. The benefit of the discussion though is people it may be important to now know it's something they should probably check out in person before buying a N3.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
As a consumer that's your right to vote with your wallet. If the device does not suit or is acceptable to your current needs you don't have to purchase it, I personally don't understand the but hopla over the speaker. It's not something I use on a weekly basis, and I usually despise hearing people use their phone in public, usually at lunch in a quiet place and its usually something obnoxious they are trying to share with "others"... Even the "others" who would like some peace and quiet.

Also phone speakers are not crappy, they are absolutely horrible for almost everything media wise, with the exception of notification sounds the phone comes standard with from the manufacturer.

I am sure that is not the case with most of you out there, but the practice of trying to listen out loud on internal to something on your device in public is just the bane of mobile/regular society.

How much do you think that it would theoretically cost Samsung to make a thicker device to test out? Also think about marketing and everything else that is involved with a product launch, and how much of a hit Samsung will take if it fails...

I trust that when the proper device is released by whatever manufacturer thats totally suits your needs, you will indeed vote with your $$$ accordingly.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] barondebxl:
Speakers on the HTC One are amazing, what are you talking about "ALL phones"?

The speaker of the Note 3 isnt the greatest but its definitely acceptable to me.

You wouldnt trade your Note 2 for a note 3 without adding a cent? You're either lying or not too smart. Getting the Note 3 would be a major upgrade, or you could resell it and buy another note 2 with extra cash in your pocket.

Seems to me that the majority of ppl love their note 3. I Highly doubt samsung would release a 3mm thicker note 3 for the unhappy ones.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Whatever make you guys happy..

Just don't become a Sheepsung :laugh:

Unless you work for Samsung and /or associates,,,

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] marrila:
Only negative for me is I can't find a screen protector in my local shops. I changed the point on my stylus with the clear plastic one and found it so much more responsive , but I noticed I have two very faint but clearly visible scratches when the screen is off. I'm not impressed. So called gorilla glass!!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Tubgirl:
Why do you think I would care what other people think? I'm stating MY opinion, that's it. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to MINE, that's it.

Not sure why you're being so protective and defensive about the Note3... wouldn't you too like better speaker, longer battery life etc... or is the Note3 the perfect device in every way in your mind? If you've got complaints, spit them out!! How else is Samsung going to know what people think?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's what I don't understand. This is from my OP's very first post that started this thread.

By your own admission you've played with a N3 for a couple of hours in a shop. [MENTION=2133134]Tubgirl[/MENTION] hates it with a vengeance and isn't buying it. How can you and others have "remorse" over a device you've never even used?

It's pretty clear quite a few folks here really want to dislike the N3. Either because they are happy with their N2, don't like Samsung and some of their newly introduced policies, or other individual reasons that have nothing to do with how the N3 performs as a daily driver. Judging any device should be based on the sum of its parts and not a single feature like the FM radio or external speaker. I and a lot of people here that seem defensive have lived with the N3 for a while now and have all come from other phones. For the most part, we're happy and our enthusiasm has nothing to do with working for Samsung.

There's a thread in the N2 forum asking "Should I upgrade to a N3?" You'll notice I've stayed completely out of it because it's primarily happy N2 owners justifying their reasons for sticking with their year-old phone. That's great and everyone's certainly entitled to their opinion. But maybe that's the thread for non-N3 owners to discuss their reasons for being non-N3 owners rather than this thread which OP intended as an "owners" discussion of things people have discovered through "ownership."
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MohJee:
When the worst negative people can come up with is that it has a bad speaker. ..you know you've got a winner.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Isn't this a discussion forum? I share my opinions and offer advice or guidance hoping they'll help people. If you're just posting proclamations shouldn't you be posting them on your blog?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Tubgirl:
Well then my input to the discussion is that I would have loved to buy the Note3, but in MY opinion the sound isn't good enough. The two biggest way your phone will interact with you is video/audio. Video is great!!! Audio is unfortunately not good at all...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Small correction. The audio output is fantastic with BT being noticeably impressive. The external speaker is flatter but just as loud compared to the N2 you're using as a benchmark.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Huh? :eek:

This what? What post? What don't you understand ?

Anyway, that's what make the world of big companies go round: i-Sheeps and Sheepsungs ....

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
How many weeks ago was that?? I am in the states, most of the Euro's had the phone about 10 days before we were able to purchase the phone, hence the thread. It has been some weeks since it debuted in the states, and I haven't "played" with the phone in a shop... I have set up about 10 or so for work clients, and about another 7 for friends... I have a set-up device from my work as a loaner..

I have told clients who are on the fence due to cost that if they have a Note 2 to keep it until the Note 4, thats a recommendation I can easily make and feel totally comfortable in stating to them.

I have also told clients who are on social media mavens to get a LG G2.

Different strokes for different folks....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
..not really - the speaker is tin pot, yep. Camera is rubbish in low light conditions as well, my battery doesn't last a day, its no better than my Note 2 in that respect.

My stock browser oddly takes ages loading pages up - the blue line goes right along then back again several times, doesn't with stock browser on my Note 2, what's all that about? In fact Note 2 browser speed is better than on my Note 3 in that respect..

Weirdly, if i use Floating Browser - the same pages load up quickly, without the blue line going back and forth. is anyone else experiencing that reloading type browser issue at all?

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..not really - the speaker is tin pot, yep. Camera is rubbish in low light conditions as well, my battery doesn't last a day, its no better than my Note 2 in that respect.

My stock browser oddly takes ages loading pages up - the blue line goes right along then back again several times, doesn't with stock browser on my Note 2, what's all that about? In fact Note 2 browser speed is better than on my Note 3.

Weirdly, if i use Floating Browser - the same pages load up quickly, without the blue line going back and forth. is anyone else experiencing that reloading type browser issue at all?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
The Note III is prob the phone for me. But something does seem amiss with it and I'm not in a rush to go out and buy it.

Truth be told I love the HTC One, but it's missing a couple key things which makes me gravitate more towards the Note III. Neither are unfortunately my perfect device but a hybrid of the two probably would be.

Solution? Will probably end up getting both and selling my Note II + Nexus 4.