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[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
The HTC One to me feels cheap!!!! And since I am the person who will purchase the phone or not then guess who's opinion matters in that decision.... I'll wait for you to figure it out....

And when you compare it to a Iphone 5 right next to each other, guess who wins the "build quality" perception test??

Exactly....

So if the HTC one is your bench mark for build quality. In my opinion, the phone in my hands doesn't feel like anything special. And after handling them after they have fallen of table and out of a purse... That build quality lacks, in real world testing..

But hey the critics can't ever be wrong... Just the like when they said the Note 1 & 2 where utter monstrosities and ridiculous.

No one would ever use or need a phone that big... (Paraphrasing of course)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jutley:
Well big its plastic just tell your brain its metal and your be just fine.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
I still have my N2 and when I pick it up it looks and feels so dated. The bezels look huge and the ovoid shape makes it seem/feel even bigger than it is. Maybe it's the square shape, flat back, weight loss, and/or weight distribution but I feel so much more comfortable balancing the N3 using one hand where I always felt like I was balancing an egg with the N2. My N3 with a Seidio kickstand case (which isn't small) is about the same size as a naked N2. And the N2 with its Seidio kickstand on looks like something from the 90's in comparison. But style and looks are totally subjective.

You sure must use the hell out of that external speaker to make the trade-offs worth it. ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
I agree with what you've said, the N2 is a chunky monkey but that's probably where some depth of sound emanates from. The N3 is just too skinny. And has the speaker hanging out its ass.

Having said all that, I am fond of my N3 it grew on me .

If the dev community embrace it and it's safe to root ill gladly use it again. And finally perhaps retire my N2.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Amdathlonuk:
It's safe to root now.

I just rooted using the vroot Chinese method and my knox is 0x0

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
And soon as you flash a rom, what happens?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Amdathlonuk:
Now that I'm not sure on as I intend to keep stock.

Just wanted root for all apps in pen window and extra apps in dual widow mode m

Also just installed the OCR software from the S4 and plan on installing the KitKat launcher tomorrow ?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
That's fair enough. I suspect you'd trip knox if you flash a rom or anything. I wonder if that's going to really stifle development ultimately on the Note 3 and future Samsung devices.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
You may want to try these or something like them. I have really high-end IEMs but find myself using these casually. The "clip" is meant to be attached to a collar or shirt placket or pocket and the cord with the buds on them is really short so there's very little bulk. I have a little pouch for them so I can just throw them in my pocket. They are aptX so the sound quality is surprisingly good (and better than any external speaker ;) ) and you're not physically attached to your device so you can move around freely.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] qunungnauraq:
reflective bass reinforcement

I notice with my note 2 the bass is reinforced when I hold it with my hand cupped and even more when the otterbox belt clip is attached. It also has louder bass when it sits close to a wall. The note 3 I have has deeper bass if I hold it with the speaker pointing down into my cupped hand. I think location of the speaker and the possibility the battery cover may act as a passive radiator and resonant chamber may be a bigger factor in audible bass rather than speaker quality.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
I agree. I tried turning my Note 3 upside down on its left side , cupping it . Placing it in a glass jar even lol. The bounce back on the Note 2 speaker does help it , but it's already pretty good to start with. The N3 audio is thin and has no hope really , I've messed around with it so much except for trying Viper mod. That might scratch my itch but I'm wary of rooting at present.

Cheers Barry, I'm researching in ears at the moment, will look into your suggestion as will, thanks :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] qunungnauraq:
bluetooth speaker/extended battery back cover

A useful accessory for the Note 3 would be a combination bluetooth speaker/ extended battery back cover.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's something interesting. The component in the red box below is part of the speaker. I was looking at mine and realized it had a piece of fairly thick protective tape on it. I played TunedIn Radio on it and the N2 and while the N2 still sounds better the N3 didn't sound as flat. I'm probably the last person anyone would want an opinion from since I'm not really an external speaker kind of guy. Someone want to pull the tape off of their N3 and see if they can hear any difference?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
Similarily look into the Jaybird Bluebuds X or Plantronics BackBeats 2
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Wahrheit:
This is the only thing that regrets me a bit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9a9xmmnKiE

Its very random and on specific circumstances but i got on my first two vids :(
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Can't imagine that'd make any difference Barry?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] qunungnauraq:
Experiment: cut a port

A good experiment would be to cut a port in the back cover directly over the tape if in fact there is an opening under the tape.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
That might help matters. Some sound would leak out of the port I'd imagine and perhaps give it some much needed depth?

Who wants to butcher their back cover then?! Also, anyone in the UK seen genuine replacement ones for sale anywhere?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] qunungnauraq:
Back covers are cheap

I'd try one of those aluminum back covers. Their inexpensive and rigid. They are also a little thicker and may have enough space inside to act as a resonant chamber.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Yeah I'll have a look on eBay, could be a work around..

Just had had a look at mine, I removed the tape Barry as well but any difference is negligible. I'm also having doubts about porting porting the back panel. If you play music and firmly cover the downfacing speaker, nearly all sound is muted.

Having holes in the back panel isn't going to help much if at all.

It's a design flaw. Samsung I hope you don't adopt this design in future devices.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Err

Just to make things clear, when I compared sound quality between N2 x N3 before, I was solely talking about headset/phone sound quality. ...

Don't care much about the speaker and didn't even try N3's speaker on my visits to the showrooms...

Btw, that issue with video ( lines or something during playback) happens with any video player or just with the stock one?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
What's your opinions of both phones thru headsets? I personally have no issues with the N3 in even cheap Apple earphones, suits me.

I'm always moaning about the N3 speaker. I'm really tempted to root and screw knox just to see what sound mods can actually do with the N3..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
It doesn't really matter what I think, if you are yourself satisfied with the headset sound quality. .. Sometimes it's a matter of personal taste. .

Btw, do you use the phone speaker that much? What for?

Calls I guess...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Absolutely, it's all subject to our own needs. For instance the reason I may have issue's with the Note 3 external output is because I find High frequency sounds irritate my hearing. And the output is quite trebly and toppy all round to my ears.

I do also listen to music a lot externally, whilst taking a shower, washing up, but mainly at work. It's a slightly noisy environment and I found my Note 2 cranked up coped well in that department.

My Note 3 cranked up is too thin, it grates my senses, and if I add bass using various store players it just then sound compressed and not very good really.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Amdathlonuk:
I have the Plantronics back beat go. Had the Jaybird Blue buds before that.

Stay away from both. ... sound is really tinny with very little bass. Half of the problem is the music quality being compressed for the Bluetooth stream.

At this time you will not beat plugged in ear phones.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
I have the BlueBuds X and they're awesome. With the Viper mod they really shine and the bass is great. Similarily sound awesome when connected to my Cowon J3.

The advantage of not being wired/full remote control compatability outweighs the negatives and I'd recommend them to anyone.

Sounds to me like you had them set up wrong or not connected to a APT-X device. They sounded awful when used with my Cowon J3 until I attached an APT-X adapter to it and then it sounded fantastic.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Celeste Amaterasu:
You can't look at it in terms of PPI, the subpixels per inch determines how well it blends together. Since there's only 1/2 of the Red/Blue pixels, a 1080p note3 only has 2/3 the actual subpixels of a full RGB matrix like the S4 Active.

Another problem I just noticed recently is that the AMOLED screens are terribly sensitive to screen burn in. I'm just ending my 3rd week with the phone and the user interface for twitch.tv is burned into the screen since I put it on as background noise while I'm at work.

I hope that Best Buy will consider that defective and let me return it. I'll even let them do a straight trade for an S4 Active since I heard that uses an LCD screen with a full RGB matrix instead of the pentile AMOLED screen.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
PPI is the only thing that matters in terms of the discussion you're having. You'd be spot on before 1080P displays and PenTile definitely struggled at 720P. The lowest common denominator is the human eye. Here's an AnandTech article that explains it in detail but it comes down to the average distance a device is held from the eye and what a human 20/20 eye is capable of processing. Apple's coining the term "retina display" is based on this.

Given the two most common standards tossed around, 1 arcminute and 12 inches, do the math out and you'll arrive at around 286 pixels per inch as the limit for eye resolving power, comfortably below the 326 on the Retina Display. Move to 0.75 arcminutes at 12 inches, and it's 382 pixels per inch, higher than the Retina Display. Honestly, I can't see the pixels at 12 inches.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/4​

At twelve inches away, the 267 PPI of the Note II is almost exactly 1 arcminute. And phones the size of the N2 are typically held further away. A 441 PPI display has an arcminute pretense of .66 which, in most scenarios, is a waste because the human eye can't process the difference the additional pixel density provides.

Here's the hard pixel count of the N3. Even without emulation it has a higher hard pixel count across all the colors than the N2. And at 274 actual PPI it's almost at the 286 PPI maximum the 20/20 eye can process. With emulation it still creates a PPI comparable to RGB LCD displays.

The bottom line is at the high PPI we're talking about in newer displays unless you hold them rediculously close you'll never notice the difference.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] heavylift:
barry.. with all due respect for a guy that was thanked more than 3 thousand times.. and sounds a very intelligent person , dude.. you ain't convincing nobody, but yourself ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
That antech article it's BS. If thats the case then we won't need 4k or 8k TVs as humans can't see more than x amount PPI.

Firstly human eyes is not 20/20. Perfect vision is 10/10. Just that most people don't have perfect vision or even 20/20.

Secondly no one knows what the eye can see. Remember when people said16K colors max then it was 16M colors and now see can 30 billion colors. Scientists are always revising the findings.

To say human eyes can only see x amount of PPI and any more is wasted - that's nonsense and you will be eating your words.

In terms of LCD vs AMOLED, LCD will have more subpixels as it's True RGB. If you're an artist LCD is must due to colour reproduction. AMOLED can never reproduced accurate colors due missing subpixels.

For me the reds in particular are not accurate on the N3.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] foxmeister:
Point of order here - not all AMOLEDs use a Pentile matrix, so more correctly you should be comparing RGB stripes and Pentile, not AMOLED vs LCD.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
Fair point. But you find pretty much all new AMOLED screens are now Pentile due production cost and energy consumption.

LCD will always be RGB.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
Does Barry have shares in Samsung?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Note 2 is no pentile. ...btw. ..

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
I said new screens!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
Firstly like I said perfect vision is 10/10. I have 10/18 from my last eye test. There are people with 10/10 e.g. Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher and half of the US Airforce...

AMOLED can not reproduced colours accurately. There no monitor in the world that's AMOLED based that can produce 99%

AdobeRGB or 100% sRGB or 120% color gamut.

So can roll your eyes as much you want. Doesn't make you right.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Hmm...

You found that Erica video useful after all !

And you didn't even press Thanks, Barry ..:laugh:

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Christ - installed Viper FX on my Note 2, what a sound! Especially through earphones. Wicked!

I'm plucking up the courage to root my 3 and see if it can salvage the audio on that...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
I post only good tips...and videos ;)

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
You do - thanks man. Thanks also to Toker, both of you for putting up with my Question's ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nispen:
That region locking thing is bs. Made me buy an lg g2. Still think the note 3 gorgeous. Fantastic. Wonderful. But won't buy it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sohebq:
The solution for that is already out.

Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bruce lee roy:
N3:N2, iPhone 5s:5
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ganstar:
You are so right. It is so amateurish it's pathetic. Not only is it not very attractive, it is also done very cheaply. Each corner has a vertical line from the mould. The smooth section above the ribs has a mottled appearance. When you take it outside and look along the device in natural light you really see how bad and how just downright cheap it is, like something from a two dollar shop. Honestly, who would want to look at that, on a device at this end of the market. It's as if they have put no thought into it as well as running out of budget. At least they could have kept the S4 edge trim, which at least looked like metal.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Vulpix:
I like how arguments in this thread aren't refuted by the ones who disagree, and post only 1-2 liners against a post full of information, then tells them to believe what they want.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
So lets get this straight 1/2 of the USAF has perfect vision???

I have perfect vision, and I remember correctly that when I tested I was in the top 3%. When I was talking some test eye test for MOS's.

So how could 1/2 of the entire AF have perfect vision?

Also 20/8 is about as perfect as we can measure currently.

Birds of prey, like a hawk has vision somewhere near 20/2

Supposedly Tiger Woods, has 20/15 or 20/16 the only person who knows is his optometrist.

So please stop throwing out nonsense numbers to try and make your point.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gen3benz:
Not too impressed with the N3, I gotta say.

My girls 5s is so much smoother right out of the box. I mean smooth as butter going from app to app.

The N3 pauses doing basic commands, very clunky and it has 3gigs of ram!

First off, is there no flashlight installed on this phone? I had to download one.

I have done nothing to this phone to make it so sluggish and have had probably 5 or 6 FC's. Thanksfully I wasnt showing the phone off at the time which would make samsung/android look like total crap.

I have disabled the following apps:

amazon mp3

amazon appstore

amazon kindle

audible

caller name id

gear manager

gp books

gp games

gp magazines

gp movies and tv

gp music

google plus

group play

nfl mobile

pen.up

s health

s translator

samsung link

samsung watchON

slacker

story album

verizon tones

voicemail

vz navigator

I would love to disable the bottom pullup news crap, flipboard?

Cant disable samsung hub as well. Way too many unneeded/un-erasable apps installed.

Tried using the samsung translator, took way too long to signup to dumb samsung account only to have a crap app after that. google translate works just fine.

I disabled these apps trying to make this phone operate with no delay, but it still lags.

I dont want to root/rom this phone because I did on my S2 and could never find a rom that worked well after a few weeks.

They would all start to crap out and have RRs or FCs.

With the exception of the large screen, camera, and s/pen this phone has nothing on the 5s and I am not an apple fan.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
Yes 1/2 US Airforce have perfect vision there as a trial to enhance reaction times in fighter pilots. So they laser surgery half the pilots to have perfect vision and half didn't.

It increased reaction times by a few %. There is a white paper on it from DoD released in 07-08, whether they continued with the trail, this I dont know.

Anyway, someone argued that above a certain ppi then human eye can not see the difference.

I begged to disagree and that's where this whole vision debate came from.

He used the article 'claiming from x distance with a device with more than x ppi is wasted.'

So why are we developing 4k 8k and 16k screens if we can't see the difference?

And he then argue that AMOLED can produce perfect colours and I disagreed. Not seen any come back on that one.

Hence color flaws in N3 display, for me reds are not very accurate.

My beef with N3 are...

Display - color reproduction

Audio - I won't even wana go there. It's an embarrassment to say the least.

Camera - awful pictures

Stock Firmware - bloatware

PS: no one is asking you to read my post/comments. If it's non sense then ignore it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jetbruceli:
Yes it does take a look at my screen shot
[Galaxy Note 3 General] gen3benz:
You're right, but its not an app so I cant use it as a lock screen shortcut.

I use a flashlight app with it set to ON as default and just swipe it from the lock screen.

Should really be a toggle in the notification pulldown like all the roms use. Oh well.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
1/2 of the USAF fighter Pilots is a very different thing than 1/2 of the Airforce.

Think of the USAF as a big city, it doesn't only compromise of pilots.

Color in any electronic device is a very subjective thing, if you have an eye that perceives color as a color calibration "monkey"/device would then sure the color reproduction is off. But if Eizo and Ben-Q are doing this with monitors that cost well over $1400

Do you really expect a cell phone to do the same and not have a real color calibrator to be able to function properly?

In most double blind tests 99.9999999 percent of the population couldn't tell the difference between 4k and 8k footage.

If you are saying you can, then you have incredible eyesight. The average consumer does not. There are so many factors in telling the difference in that type of footage because of external factors, such as lighting, eye fatigue, distance etc.

It becomes very subjective.

Audio wise, the beef is with the speakers and it appears that many people use this as a daily function on their device. I don't so its not a peeve of my own, but I can understand it in its proper context. Ask anyone who has a set of quality speakers/headphones that are used with a mobile device in tow and that kind of puts things into perspective the "Audio Quality". Basically ****, but so is every other mobile audio device speaker when compared to anything beyond very rudimentary audio quality speakers.

Camera basically it is what it is...

I have a medium format camera and well, I am fortunate to have one.

Asking a camera on a mobile device to be as nice as full fledged DSLR is beyond stupid. Asking that the software be "up to par" with other mobile device camera software however is not. I don't really care how many "MEGA PIXELS" any mobile device camera has, upon scrutiny by a professional photographer, they will rip the camera functionality and picture quality to pieces.

Stock OS. Everyone has their opinion about what is a good OS and what is not a good OS. I wish some of the people who work wonders on XDA were able to submit some of their programing efforts to these big mobile houses and see what can be done or tweaked within the environment in which these devices are currently running. Some of the work that is available on XDA is truly brilliant.

P:S If you are going to use "benchmarks" please use them correctly or be in the same ballpark. No one is asking you to be inaccurate when explaining your point of view.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] toker_X1:
1) I said color reproduction is off on AMOLED screens and N3 has red production issues. Am I wrong in saying that? If so why?

I didn't say N3 need to as good a $2k monitor, you made that assumption.

2) Audio is poor speakers & headphone. I am not expecting Hi Fi RRAA standard but nexus 4 i had was way better. Installing Viper4AndriodFX has improved it

3) 99.9999 binding test? Really? by whom? When?

I work with 4k 8k content at work everyday and there is a big different 16 people in my team at my work can see the difference, 2000 of my clients can see the difference. Maybe you have bad eye sight.

3) Camera is poor due to no image stability feature. I seen 5 mega pixel Nokia phone produce better pictures than N3. N3 compared to other smartphone produce crap pictures.

Never said it has be a DSLR standard, you said that. I already have a NiKON D3 and Hassleblad HD4-60 and theres no comparison.

4) OS - subjective agreed. Never been a fan of TW since I had a S2.

There are some features which are nice like multi window / pen window.

For me I have always rooted and tweaked any samsung phone i ever own. You will find most samsung phone owners dislikes TW and I am one of them.

N3 cost £600 here in the UK that close to $900 USD, I expected better from a device that is so highly priced.

Not mention all the build quality issues people been experiencing like home button, screen banding/ multi touch failures, bad battery etc..

For me a flagship phone should not have some of the basic faults.

If knew what I know now about the N3, I probably wouldn't have brought it.

I am already on the look out for my next phone. N3 will not be a daily driver for the 2 years that's for sure.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
The 5S camera is better than the Note 3 one.

If you can deal with a slightly smaller screen and no spen, then I'd recommend taking a look at the HTC One. The Sense UI is much more refined than Touchwiz, and runs a fair bit smoother. The build quality is also more akin to Apple (feels expensive and well designed rather that cheap crappy plastic Samsung used to make it easier and cheaper to mass produce). Samsung have even come out and said this is the reason. It can be plastic and high quality but clearly they're not that bothered if it looks tacky, as long as its easy and cheap to bulk produce.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
Having installed Noozxoide EIZO-rewire™ PRO on my Note 2 I can say for me at least, I'm now 100 % sure that in ear and speaker wise my N2 blows my 3 away.

I also rooted my N3 and installed Viper FX, in fairness that's great in ear too with the mod (when it work's). But externally it doesn't help a great deal.

So, I'm remorseful 1: for even buying the Note 3, should have waited.

And 2: for rooting and tripping knox in the hope I could make the audio match my Note 2 with mods .