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[Moto X General] scorpion667:
It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).

I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?

I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.

I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.

I hope I'm wrong about this!

Discuss.
[Moto X General] ultravisitor:
Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?

For me, it doesn't. I'm sure Google and Motorola are aware of the mountain they need to climb in order to build mindshare and attain high sales, and they probably don't expect it to happen immediately with this one device.
[Moto X General] scorpion667:
This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?

It's not really about the phone at all. It's about what I suspect was a poor marketing execution for a product that could have turned a lot more heads than it has. I mean, sure I don't have statistics, but I'm posting it as an open discussion to see if other people feel this way or if I'm just crazy...

Having went to school for advertising/marketing, it genuinely bothers me when GOOD products fail to sell well because of a failed marketing campaign. It happens a lot, but with Google backing Motorola up on this one, I expected a little more as far as the marketing side goes.
[Moto X General] spawn9859:
They may be waiting until Motomaker comes out for all carriers to hardcore advertise, they have a few ads out already, go to YouTube and search "Lazy Phone"

Sent from my Rooted AT&T Moto X!
[Moto X General] mrbradeli:
Last I heard it was a "success" in Motorola's eyes.
[Moto X General] johnny grep:
It might be a success in the USA, but not in Canada. There's no marketing whatsoever going on. All the nice displays & merchandising seen in the US is nowhere to be found in Canada.

I agree with the OP - When I went to buy it outright at Future Shop, they looked at me and said "Why don't you buy a Samsung or Nexus? That phone isn't up to par."

Unfortunately, Motorola Canada continues to underwhelm... Saddening, really. This phone really is the best-kept secret on the market... in Canada.

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] gunnyman:
Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.

Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.

As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
[Moto X General] DonDizzurp:
The problem with today's consumers..
[Moto X General] mrbradeli:
I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
[Moto X General] gunnyman:
That's what the nexus phones are for
[Moto X General] kent1146:
In the United States, it has been sold out from Verizon Wireless retail stores within a 50-mile radius of me for weeks. So I think that it is selling fairly well.

You are correct that it hasn't been marketed very well. But that all comes down to marketing spend in two areas:

1) Advertisements. Other manufacturers (Samsung, Apple) have more prominently-placed advertisements. Even Motorola and Verizon Wireless tend to promote the Droid RAZR / Ultra / Maxx phones over the Moto X.

2) In-store placement. If you go into a retail store, you'll likely find other phones right at the entrance to the store. The Moto X is usually in the back.
[Moto X General] KiNG OMaR:
If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).

Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.

The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.

#TeamStockMotoX lol
[Moto X General] ultravisitor:
It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
[Moto X General] mrbradeli:
The extra storage in this phone won me over. Either way, I'm mainly interested in audio stuff. If possible I'd like to mod the phone to do something similar to Voodoo Sound's DAC direct and analog amp. Aside from that I'd like the ability to build AOSP from the source for this device, which I'm pretty sure is possible with the kernel source Motorola posted a while back.
[Moto X General] erik7970:
I think advertising might be more aggressive here in the States than in Canada. The only commercials for the Moto X I've seen are the ones with TJ miller and I've only seen them online, not TV since I haven't been watching it recently.
[Moto X General] gammite:
I have seen a lot of national moto x spots during sporting events on television. especially ncaa and nfl football.
[Moto X General] scorpion667:
Ah okay I wasn't aware it was doing so well in the states. I guess my observation only holds true for Canada. It really is the best android phone to date IMHO. That's why I was thrown off when I saw it was getting zero recognition here in Canada lol. It's good to hear it's at least somewhat successful because they (Google and Moto) revolutionised how I interact with my phone. When major changes like Touchless Controls or Active Notifications are successful, perhaps it will inspire other manufacturers to dust off those R&D facilities and try something new once in a while.

Ah okay I was just thrown off cause the point of me making this thread was BECAUSE I believe the Moto X is an amazing phone, why is it not getting recognized - kind of thing. Reading back, I could have worded it better to reflect that. Sorry.
[Moto X General] Xaroc8:
I personally love my Moto X.

It's essentially a Nexus device with a couple extra goodies for increased functionality.

Sure the camera needs a little tweaking here n' there, but it's overall a wonderful phone.

This phone came at a perfect time for me. I don't want to flash roms every other day anymore. With my new son my priorities are elsewhere now.

Doesn't matter to me if it's not selling well, just means I'll get extra wow factor when showing it off because less people know about it. As long as motorola keeps supporting it, I'm a happy camper.
[Moto X General] Danzoman:
I snapped this pic real quick inside At&t retail while ordering my 32gig motomaker card. They are pushing it pretty hard.
[Moto X General] theraffman:
What are your sources for sales? Or is this just a personal observation? Google and moto seem to be pretty happy with its sales... ya, it's no iphone or Galaxy in terms of sales, but everything here in the states have been bouncing been in stock/out of stock.

Overall, I care little about how well a device sells as long as it continues to be supported by the manufacturer. I don't think they were aiming for a big swing in market share, but rather, proving a point about how the industry has become over obsessed with specs and to bring the mobile device manufacturing process back to the states. Discounting sales, which is definitely important, I think the moto x had been a great success for what it was made to achieve... And I think it will continue to prove more successful in the coming months. Just my personal observation.
[Moto X General] RogerPodacter:
Motorola hasn't started the marketing yet for the phone I don't think. Just yesterday I saw the my first moto x commercial on prime time TV here in the USA. I think Motorola was waiting for stock and all carriers to carry the device before they started the supposed huge marketing forthe moto x.

I agree its gonna be hard, and may not work at all. But to succeed they will have to ddriveenormouse tTV commercials for months and months, like HTC has done with the one. If Motorola is prepared to do that then they may have decent shot.

I wouldn't worry yet till we see their marketing start.
[Moto X General] striketrue:
EXACTLY
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
I think it's slowly getting better, but Motorola still has a long way to go. Unfortunately, self proclaimed techies still push the myth that this phone is underpowered, failing to understand that it has better real world performance than almost anything else on the market. The average consumer listens to these techies and buys a bloated Samsung instead. It doesn't help that Motorola's marketing budget is nowhere near Samsung's. However, most professional reviewers have given the X the praise it deserves, so hopefully things change for the better soon. I'm thoroughly enjoying my X. It's rooted but I didn't really need to, and a custom ROM isn't completely necessary. I'd love a few tweaks here and there, but nothing I can't live without.
[Moto X General] DertyDOH:
to me this is meant to be the start of the new google/moto vision. They were talking about how the problem is today's market sells "specs" even when they aren't needed. So I think they're trying to climb that mountain against that one phone at a time.
[Moto X General] supadoggie:
I just saw one of the Lazy Phone ads on tv last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_JQxm53114

but you're right.. we're bombarded with ads from Samsung and Apple.
[Moto X General] xious1:
I love my Moto X and will definitely suggest the phone to anyone that is looking to get a new phone. And yes, how well the device does will affect how I use my device. If the phone sells really well on all four carriers here in the states as well as other countries, then 3rd party manufacturers will be more inclined to make more and better accessories for the phone. Meaning we will get a bigger variety of docks, cases, etc. Many manufacturers don't bother making stuff for phones that aren't very popular. So hopefully Google and Motorola will get their marketing push going and we will see the market pick up for accessories.

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[Moto X General] Zero_FeniX:
This is the first phone I've bought since the first Droid Incredible 3 years ago. Seeing as I'm on Verizon I've been waiting for something good. The iPhone doesn't offer enough customization but it has one of the best aesthetic exteriors on the market, while the Samsung phones are ugly, large, and unbearable. I'm hoping development picks up, mainly a CM adaptation, but if you look at the last set of droids, not that the Moto X is a droid, but they didn't get picked up by CM until they had been out for over 6 months. And for me Motorola kind of fell behind in the smart phone market. They kept putting out ugly phones, at least on Verizon, even since the original Droid, and could never quite get their **** together. But they finally did with the Moto X and it's going to take people some time to realize this is a great phone and for us early adopters to promote it to their friends and spread the word!
[Moto X General] shadowcore:
Claiming they are not needed is a pretty bold move and really speaks alot about the ignorance of the moto x community.

You see, a newer processor does not just mean that its faster, it means its also more efficient. This means more battery time,

We are not talking about some engines in cars where more HP means more gasoline, jesus...

Fact of the matter is, the moto x has ****ty specs, and they tried to make up for it with some software features.
[Moto X General] gunnyman:
Quality trolling there...
[Moto X General] thedosbox:
Let him have his fun. He's had to suffer with a LG device - i.e. a device with a UI even more hideous than Touchwiz :p
[Moto X General] mrbradeli:
You think too highly of the lowest common denominator.
[Moto X General] plasticmoz:
Not sure whether to laugh or cry -- but if you're going to troll at least try not to contradict yourself.
[Moto X General] scorpion667:
I love how nobody fed the troll :laugh:

Good job guys
[G2 General] drkow19:
Wow, I'm definitely looking forward to trying this out. How did you find out about it? Can you change settings on the fly? I read some of the main thread, the auditory calibration sounds awesome, since my ears are different and I have trouble hearing high frequencies. That says coming soon for that feature, but damn this guy knows his stuff!
[G2 General] Fidelio_o:
Been using this since i got root, and it really is amazing. Recommend it for everyone.
[G2 General] alex72:
I StumbleUpon it. LOL. Yes, you can change settings on the fly. So much to explore and experiment. Don't be afraid to change some settings but be careful with volume control. Start with 40% and don't go over 50% in first couple of hours because some combination of settings will give you volume boost up to 8dB. Maybe even 10dB boost. I set speaker settings with 8dB boost so watching YouTube videos with 30% volume feels weird at first. Still exploring. Probably it will take days before I become familiar with every option.
[G2 General] bri315317:
This is just what the doctor ordered! Hope it works with BLUETOOTH.
[G2 General] alex72:
It's got three main tabs. Settings for Headphone, Speaker and Bluetooth.
[G2 General] bri315317:
Yes I know. However I have tried similar things in the past and the effects for BT never seemed to work. Hoping this one is different. Will report back after I try it.
[G2 General] bckrupps:
im confused on where the kernel folder is to put the files. using es explorer im not seeing it but you said the sub folder was the kernel folder so what main folder am i looking for?

I checked on the site. i guess for some reason it isn't creating the 2 folders in storage for me after the reboot.
[G2 General] alex72:
sd card/ViPER4Android/Kernel/xxx.irs

If you don't have these folders upon installation of apk make it manually
[G2 General] bri315317:
In the FX app, make sure convolver is ticked. Then press impulse response and it will tell you the folder is empty. It JUST created the folder you are missing. Go back to your file manager and copy the files there.
[G2 General] bckrupps:
worked thanks. now i gotta read up on all the features. wow. i would be happy just having the stock speaker slightly louder lol
[G2 General] alex72:
It's a lot louder lol
[G2 General] nismology:
w000000000t!!

I was hoping there would be a sound enhancement for the G2 as I used nexus louder/noozxoide pro with my Gnex and it completely transformed the listening experience. I tried noozxoide pro with the G2 with so-so results so I'm excited to try this out. Thank you!! :good::D
[G2 General] bckrupps:
mine wont change. in driver status menu it says neon enabled: yes

enabled:no

status normal

processing no

i have v4A speakerfx is powered on checked

convolver is enabled checked

and xtra-loud is enabled check

i can also change the files in impulse response but nothing seems to change the sound at all.

im not a noob lol but this is new to me in all my hacking days.
[G2 General] alex72:
It's a similar interface (ui) with a lot more options. And IRS files are main feature for me.
[G2 General] alex72:
Which music app you're using? Try Play Music at first. Switch between Normal and Compatible mode. Reboot.
[G2 General] bckrupps:
yea didn't work with stock music player. This is amazing with a bluetooth headset. wow what a difference.
[G2 General] alex72:
I'm glad that it worked for you. I never used stock music player. We have now first confirmation that bluetooth enchantment really works!
[G2 General] bckrupps:
yea i got a behind the neck pair that i go to the gym with. they are a cheaper best buy brand that other than a bit on the low end as they are open ear sound like bose now lol. definately works with bluetooth.

now if i could just get my phone ringer louder :)
[G2 General] ericdabbs:
Thanks for the heads up on this Viper app. I will definitely try it out when I get my G2.

I am just curious if you ever did the "Increase Speaker Volume" fix in the thread below on top of installing ViperAndroid. I wonder if the combination of both the fixes will make the G2 speaker even better.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2442883
[G2 General] Silvaire:
Okay, will do. Wasn't sure how the two apps related to each other. I will turn off that one and see.
[G2 General] alex72:
XHiFi had better Viper Clarity engine. Probably still has it but now, with the latest ViPER4Android development, difference is negligible. BTW, for better battery life, try to keep screen off most of the time. I know that you just installed V4A and that you are playing with different settings but you shouldn't be surprised with battery consumption.;) Enjoy!
[G2 General] Silvaire:
Yeah I was trying it out because unlike a vast majority of users, I'm not into heavy bass. Just looking for a flat response and trying out those correction filters from the other thread. I'm much more concerned with midrange than low frequencies.
[G2 General] alex72:
If you're into midrange, I would suggest to try Urei 1178 Impulse Response Simulation file. Keep on rocking!
[G2 General] Heatshiver:
I am curious as I didn't read anything about it here, but does this affect video audio as well?
[G2 General] alex72:
In short - yes. Maybe, in some video players, you'll need to synchronize audio by a bit.
[G2 General] Heatshiver:
I had tried tested a video before and after this mod in the stock video player and did not hear a sound difference. I will have to try again as I didn't have the IRS starter pack at the time.
[G2 General] alex72:
To be honest, I never tried with stock player. I'm using MX and BS video players.
[G2 General] Stigy:
QQ - what Bluetooth settings is everyone running to get decent quality from this thing? My Spotify streaming to my radio sounds awful, eeeek.
[G2 General] alex72:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=42584030
[G2 General] android404:
You really should find your own setup by playing with the settings while listening to your music on your speakers with your ears instead of copying somebody's preferences.
[G2 General] smarcisin:
Im not getting much of a boost when using SiriusXM app, its strange...am i doing something wrong?

This is when i plug my phone in to the jack of my car
[G2 General] alex72:
It's not strange. Nothing is strange with this app. (lol) It's reported that works with SiriusXM app. If it doesn't work work thru cable with your car try over Bluetooth. If you don't have Bluetooth capable unit there is AUX to Bluetooth adapter which works great.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009NLTW60/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1381793447&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70
[G2 General] alex72:
Updated OP with link to thread with nice free additional sets of IRS files.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=45462666
[G2 General] alex72:
It looks like, support for V4A is shifting from XDA to their own website www.vipersaudio.com/blog/

"Dear supporters,

Launch of Website and ViPER4Windows

XDA not the best channel

It is less likely that we will start a topic for V4W in XDA. In fact, contents from this V4A topic will start reducing because our main channel of communication is via our website. XDA would be updated later. You can always get latest news and updates from our website.

Due to management difficulties, we have to do this. Its difficult to maintain our content in XDA because we do not have a section for our related topics and posts. There are V4A, V4W, IRS and could have even more in the future. XDA is not the right channel for us.

Therefore, please understand and do participate actively in our website ￼

Thank you.

zhuhang"

This is just part of the post. For full announcement click on this link;

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=46551796
[G2 General] crielstar:
Hey guys my viper stops running shortly after it starts, Shows enabled but the effects go away shortly after start and then shows not processing. Iam using the lg music app. Any ideas guys?
[G2 General] alex72:
Try newest V4A release 2.3.1.1.

http://www.mediafire.com/?oyfqhina0z36e17. I'll update OP soon.
[G2 General] crielstar:
Thanks, I saw that just after my last post, installed it and I still have the problem. It seems to work only when it wants to, sometime it will work when I switch between music apps , Ive tried to open and close app and reinstall the driver but not go, I cant really find a pattern.. Is there a D803 specific version of the apk?

Maybe because the google music and LG music apps are both installed, they cause issues? If I start music with one app and go to the other app sometimes viper will start working for a little while.
[G2 General] alex72:
I updated V4A to the latest version an hour ago and no problems whatsoever. Google Play Music works great in all scenarios (no problems with local mp3's like before!), LG stock music player no problems to report (2 versions ago it didn't work at all for me, great now), GoneMAD music player is great as always...

Try my upgrade process;

Save current effect profiles, uninstall driver, then uninstall app, reboot, install newest version of V4A, pick highest audio quality, reboot, load effect profiles. Good luck!
[G2 General] Joell27:
viper massive battery drain

I downloaded and installed viper audio and it rapidly drains my battery
[G2 General] alex72:
Instead of super audio, try high quality or power saving audio. High quality audio option sounds better than audio on previous version with similar battery consumption. In order to do that you need to uninstall driver, reboot, open V4A and install driver again with desirable audio quality / battery consumption.
[G2 General] Joell27:
viper massive battery drain

Must've overlooked that option. Also what's a good setup for speaker quality, not headphone/earphone
[G2 General] alex72:
I just use Vocal Booster in equalizer, any Studer +6dB irs and eXtra Loud set to extreme.
[G2 General] crielstar:
GoneMAD music seems to be working 100% now. I had issues with lg music and play music , GoneMAD just works. Might have to actually buy a app!
[G2 General] somemadcaaant:
Here's my profile if anyone wants to try, full dynamic bass and clearer sound. I also enable Pure Surround in the stock music player for separation. Plus xloud for speaker.

https://db.tt/DS1Q9AI4

Copy to sdcard folder Viper4android/profile/

Load effects profile in viper app.

Sounds amazing.
[G2 General] alex72:
Too bad I can't load your profile. I don't know why. Which irs file goes with your profile? Maybe I don't have it.

Anyway my profile setup is easy. Just Convolver Impulse Response TRacks Master.irs, Viper natural bass +6dB and Viper xHiFi clarity +3.5dB. Everything else is disabled. I mean everything. If you don't have TRacks irs files there is link in first post (nice additional IRS files). My other favorite is TRacks Compression.irs

Edit;

Here's direct link to it;

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=45462666