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[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
Thanks for reminding me of that choice?...

Every product has it problems, as long as it works in your day to day and does what you need it do then its all that it needs to be..

Just from personal experience, most people who jump ever other edition of a particular model can see improve in bigger increments than someone who is upgrading every 9-12 months. So you will end have the same conversation with whatever iteration of any device.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] inmnbob:
Miss the lack of text flow resizing in the browser. The note 2 and note 8 do a good job but the note 3 is more like the S4
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CalcProgrammer1:
My take on the Note 3 is that it's what's inside that counts. I consider myself a power user, I use CPU-heavy apps, use remote desktop, use terminal, use VPN, take notes, watch videos, and browse a ton. I also listen to music (Bluetooth and headphones, rarely ever speaker) and occasionally videos. I like the Note series because it crams the most hardware features into the package of any smartphone on the market. The plastic could feel better, the speaker could be louder, but that's not the point. It set out to be the most technologically premium handset and it is, it's a mediocre handset in terms of design and material but I think they still manage to make the plastic feel solid and high quality. Aluminum is harder to make a removable panel out of. Look at every aluminum phone on the market and you'll notice very few have removable batteries or panels of any sort. Plastic, on the other hand, is easy to make reliable, durable, thin removable panels out of and it means Samsung can continue offering removable/replaceable/upgradable batteries, microSD slots for expanded storage, interchangeable backplates, wireless charging option, etc. Given the choice between aluminum or the flexibility provided by removable backplates I'll take removable backplates every time. As for the speaker, who cares? Does anyone actually use the speaker for serious audio? As long as you can speakerphone with it and watch YouTube it's fine for me. Any serious music listening is going to be done with a real audio setup like headphones, line-out, Bluetooth, or USB DAC. I don't have my Note 3 yet but I can't wait to get it, I loved playing around with the demo unit at T-Mobile.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
You're not in the world of marketing and sales, are you?

Evidently not, as the principle is a basic one. Do not call your personal opinion fact against centuries of marketing research and strategy.

We all want the perfect product for what we consider a fair price. It has never happened, in any market.

Name me the perfect car, laptop, tv... One that ordinary people can afford, at that.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] barondebxl:
Galaxy note 2. Prove me wrong.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
1280x720

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] barondebxl:
I see you tried hard....unfortunately for you you won't succeed. 1280x720 ...how exactly is that a compromise when almost every device at that time adopted that resolution and it was the standard with the exception of the DNA? What makes you think that 720 p was a compromise then?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
Because every phone had it. Hardly perfect for a device that is meant to be better than the rest.

Particularly if another device already has better... Compromise.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
Only 10gb of user accessible internal storage. Since apps have to go there and some apps can't store their data to the sd card it's simply not enough.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] barondebxl:
Im afraid you are mistaking compromise vs having something other devices didnt have. The note 3 has 4k recording, the G2 doesnt. is that a compromise?

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Correct me if i am wrong but there are 32 gb and 64 gb note 2 available?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
Sorry but you're wrong. No 64gb version was ever planned or announced. The 32gb version was planned and announced but in the end only the Korean version was ever released with that much storage. They use unusual LTE bands in Korea too so that version is not much use internationally.

Edit: I'm wrong too. Further googling reveals that those lucky Koreans got the 64 GB as well.

Whether they actually exist or not is slightly irrelevant. They are almost impossible to find which for all intents and purposes means they may as well not exist.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] barondebxl:
The 32 B wasnt available only for Korea and there are GT N7100 available in 32 gb. Besides who says 10 GB isnt enough to the user when one can store pictures, videos, roms and files to the sd card? Many users swear by expandable storage. Why is that?

The point i am making here is that compromise is subjective to each user. Many need removable storage but millions of Iphone owners are cool without it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
It isn't enough if you're an app whore. Also existing and being available are two different things. They are rare as anything so I wouldn't exactly call them available.

At the end of the day you asked people to prove you wrong so of course people are going to call you out.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] barondebxl:
Yep but you havent proved me wrong. And again my point is compromises are subjective in this particular subject. It isnt enough if you're an app whore but it is if you arent. See?

You can go ebay it right now ( the note 2 32 gb).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
So I'm supposed to prove a subjective opinion wrong? Wtf.

By that logic you are wrong because it's not enough storage for me, see?

Pointless continuing this debate, nice trolling though.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] jaaystott:
Guys, this is ridiculous! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion! My Dad has the Note 2, and I have the Note 3. Last night we were sat there comparing, and the result we came to? Neither of them are better than one another.

To us both the Note 2 feels like a much more solid device, that could take a few knocks. The Note 3 feels like the next generation that is better in every way bar strength. Screen-By-Screen, he couldn't tell the difference, without really looking for it you wouldn't know the Note 2 was 720P and the Note 3 1080P. He is, by the way, what you would call an average consumer. He works at a bank, he has no interest in technology, and only likes the Note 2 because it's got a big screen and works the way he wants it to work.

Moving on to storage, he has the UK LTE Version which comes with 16GB Internally (of which just over 10GB is available) and he has an 8GB card in it. He uses his camera regularly at family outings, videos regularly, has all the social applications such as Facebook, Twitter etc and even some games on there. He has

lots

of storage left, both internally and externally.

It's easy to sit here and argue about who's opinion is correct all day, the truth of the matter is we are

all

different. Therefore no device is the best, but much rather one device suits one person well, and another device another person well.

That's why we hate Apple :highfive:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
It's like arguing with an Apple fan... Or a Jehova witness. Good grief, are you completely blind or simply utterly deaf? You don't even want to hear what another has to say, so this discussion is over. One cannot argue with a closed mind.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jaaystott:
Jehovas Witness's are easy to get rid of! Just tell them you're a devil worshipper, works every time ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bleclair:
As I posted on another site, I like the Note 3 well enough but disappointed by the camera after using the LG G2 for a while.

Also I think the G2 uses high resolution to its advantage, while the Note 3 looks like the Jitterbug of Android phones with everything so damn big. (Yes, I know I can use a different launcher.)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
I usually just show up at the door with an axe covered in blood and bits of brain.

The police know not to bother following up on the alarm call by now. :p

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
"Perfect" is subjective. There's also a time element that needs to be applied (EG: the N2 was far closer to "perfect" last August when it was released). And there's value (EG: a new or great condition used N2 can be had for half the cost of the N3).

I had the N2 for a year; the longest I'd ever kept a phone. It was great and as the One, SGS4, and XZ came out I felt it was still contemporary. S-800 devices with significantly better displays (display quality, not just PPI) are a clear generation ahead of the devices that preceded them; and that includes the N2 which is really a souped up SGS3 (design, camera, TW [sans S Pen]) which is a May 2012 phone. And my N2 wasn't perfect. The chrome around the sides of the phone was thinning in places in spite of using cases. The chrome around the USB port was wearing off showing the white plastic underneath from repeated insertion of USB cables. The stock browser on it (and my Exynos N10.1) would randomly close; no warning just freeze than close. The display on the N2 wasn't very bright; even compared to better AMOLEDs. And it could get bogged down under load (EG: Play updating simultaneous apps, big apps loading with lots already running in the background).

So it wasn't perfect and its been eclipsed in (almost) every way by its successor. I've been using the N3 for two full days now set up

exactly

the way my N2 was. To pick the N2 up today it feels dated. The unnecessary extra bezel, additional weight and thickness, the ovoid shape and round corners that make it more difficult to hold just make is seem less contemporary than the N3. The display on the N3 is fantastic and not just because of the PPI. The N2's looks dull and dingy in comparison and outdoor readability on the the N3 is at least 50% better than the N2. And the s/w additions and modifications (revised S Pen apps, Air Command, vastly enhanced multiview) on the N3 are pretty remarkable. And I'd bet anyone here Samsung won't push them down to a Exynos 4 device with 2GB of RAM simply because they need the overhead provided in the N3. The devs may shoe-horn stuff in but that won’t make it run well.

I could give two craps what the "lag police" have to say about the N3. They beat up every phone ever made complaining about lag. I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, doing

exactly

the same things (133 installed apps, 9 syncs) on the N2 and N3 configured

exactly

the same way, the N3 is a monster performance wise.

So if nostalgia, price, appreciation for ovoid shapes, more heft (bigger, larger, heavier), shiny plastic, a Pop-up browser, a better external speaker, an FM radio, and/or a simpler version of TW float your boat by all means buy or stick with a N2. After using the N3 for a couple of days now nothing I've experienced personally or seen discussed here outweigh the significant leap forward it represents in actual use.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] barondebxl:
So its a compromise to you, not to me. Compromise is subjective, when you understand that then you won't waste your time proving me wrong. Troll this troll that. Just enjoy your phone.

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Its because you dont know how to make your point and understand the other's person point. Jayscott has a nice answer a few posts above. Compromise is subjective, thats the point i was tryin to make yet you and the other guy wanted to prove me wron just so you can be right but in this case you cannot be. If i tell you i like green and you're tying to prove me that yellow is better then don't you think you're wasting your time? Yes this conversation is over with you.

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Exactly. I had the Note 2 the day next day it came out, to this day its the best experience i have ever had on a mobile device.I remember being so impressed by the display, performance, battery life, features like multi window, phone NEVER got warm to a worrying point....and its a device that one can still use till the note 4 and it still will be relevant.To me that was a zero compromise device. Then came along the HTC Ones and the Optimus G pros with their amazing displays and better performance, that is when you see how tech advances so fast. They didnt make the Note 2 obsolete but they did major improvements over it.

I absolutely loved the Note 2 display when it came out last year ( and still do), then i owned the HTC One and for a brief moment went back to a note 2 a few months ago, the display was really a let down. So of course with time, new technology will most of the time be better than the older one, that doesnt mean that the latter was bad in "its prime time" so to speak.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bruce lee roy:
Suggestion: don't post in 'Buyer's remorse' thread unless you have buyer's remorse... or you have a legitimate question regarding a post.

I visit here to help decide if n3 is a worthy investment not to read soapbox refutations from Samsung fan club members. If you want to advocate for your device, why not do it in the 'buyer's appreciation' thread (which I also frequent).

For many still on n2, we are likely savvy enough to wait for the 4.3 update to make a decision anyways. So please vent your love in the appropriate thread and give people the opportunity to share their opinion- right or wrong. Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Excellent point. With a caveat. OP started this thread before the N3 was even released. Like you, as the first wave of folks from Asia and the EU began receiving their devices I was all over this thread trying to learn more about the N3. Those early N3 owner's subjective opinions were all we had to go on as thorough objective reviews from the likes of GSMArena and AnandTech hadn't been published yet. As an example of how these types of threads can go wrong, from posts from a handful of people I drew the conclusion the external speaker was crap and was prepared for the worst when I got my N3. The N3's speaker isn't crap at all. That is in my subjective opinion which is no more or less valid than those that subjectively reached the conclusion it is crap.

There's going to be some debate in this (or any "The ‘_____’ sucks because...") thread because when people take extreme positions (positive or negative) those with different and sometimes more moderate positions are going to react. Hopefully to provide some counter balance so that people like you looking to form an opinion have different perspectives to learn from. Hopefully not because their "Samsung fan club members."
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
If that's really your point then why did you answer a rhetorical question asking to name a perfect device with the statement "note 2 prove me wrong"

Looks like blatant trolling to me. Prove me wrong.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Ry2mkk:
Websites can be blocked with Firefox and the adblock add on :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] coor:
So I have an s4 currently and am in a unique position to trade it for a n3. A question to those here who have them, should I switch? I really like the s-pen functionality.. Is there any other features that really make it stand out above the s4? Thanks for your input.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] lmike6453:
Wow it's boiling up in here. People must really regret their purchase or are half lying to themselves that it was a good one and taking it out on us XDA members
[Galaxy Note 3 General] xnes:
One thing I always hated on Samsung is the DPI. I mean, the font is so big. Sony and Apple put much more information on the same amount of screen.

Okay it's getting better, from note 1 to note 2 had a improvement and from note 2 to note 3 as well. But still, I have this device to use it as a tablet too. There's more font sizes than on note 3 to personalize most of the system but the notification bar info looks a app of some small resolution device. I like less scroll and more icons showing how much I have missed. it shows 3 apps info tops... just like the multitask list only show 4 apps. I have moded my note 2 to show 6 apps. Samsung could take advantage from this beast screen.

This is the only thing that really makes me mad about it.

But I don't like the speaker also. I think did not improve at all from note 2, why improve android sound drivers and note improve at least the volume of the speaker and make it good. It's still average for hearing MP3 (not that I listen often on the speaker but some times you want to show a friend some music and on you 800$ mobile you expect to your friend hear the music and not see that sound is just average). Acoustic musics do not sound good as ringtones.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] barondebxl:
You're still on this? LMAO
[Galaxy Note 3 General] c900712:
Thanks for the tip. I have never used Firefox on android before is it better than the laggy chrome browser?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Ry2mkk:
It's all preference really, I tend to use stock lol. I have used it before however and seemed nice enough - apparently it's gotten a lot more love recently!

Give it a try :) it's free after all :thumbup::thumbup:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] barondebxl:
Nice! Very good points. From the video you provided on another thread i believe, the Note 3 sounded plenty loud.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] vtjay:
Yes, the 4k is a compromise on lg's part, the hardware can support it, they chose to leave it be.

As for note 2 compromises, build quality, for one, you conveniently poo poo the 720p argument but there was 1080p devices available before the note2 and the display tech was there, so Samsung chose to leave it out.

Everything has a compromise, and for the note 3 it's the speaker which most people don't care about.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Actually, the first 1080P device lauched was the DNA/Butterfly in November, 2012. The N7100 launched in August.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] phi11yphan:
I've had my Note 3 since 10/3. I cannot wait for a custom rom I like, because I'm not thrilled with stock. I'm coming from HTC One XL on viperXL 4.2.0

Keyboard shortcomings:

I miss directional arrows/cursors

Comma must be more accessible

Auto correct can't keep up

Space bar too short (height)

Smileys a few clicks too far away

Other than keyboard, there's a slew of enhancements I'm waiting for. Flashlight integration (or your choice app) for long-press. Swipe to unlock/lock. The list goes on.

And good riddance to Samsung apps. Not needed.

But i love the bigger screen, better battery, infrared, usb3, s pen, 3mb Ram, and my Quadrant benchmarks are through the roof! (How could I leave out 1080p!)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dral29:
You guys know that if u long press home button u have goodle Now right there right? Just saying :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
So are you. That is all.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] b00mb00mchuck:
While you're waiting ... why not just install a new keyboard and go to app settings and disable the junk you don't like...

Hacker keyboard is a nice one... all the features you mentioned...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Estoroth:
Have you tried this? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2475825
[Galaxy Note 3 General] apprentice:
I agree that the comma is a frequently used key, why on earth you have to shift to get that is beyond me. Did you know however that you can use a swipe gesture on the Samsung Keyboard to emulate the arrow keys? Just go into swipe options in the keyboard settings. Otherwise as others have said, there are loads of decent keyboard alternatives out there.

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I made the switch from the S4 to the Note 3 and my advice... Do it! If you like everything about the S4 but want a bigger screen, the S-Pen and an overall better looking device with a more premium feel then it's a no brainer.

I have owned all of the Note series and the Note 3 (though not perfect) is the best phone out there.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Tubgirl:
Please go ahead and scream then.The N3 speaker isn't as good as on the N2... period.

I show a lot of YouTube clips to friends and the N3 speaker can't handle that unless you're in an absolute quiet room and everybody else in the room are quiet. Don't forget that many clips have low volume to begin with...

It's important to point that out so that hopefully Samsung can take a hint and make improvements on upcoming models.

Brgds...

PS. Auto-dimming of the screen is another major flaw, but at least you can tell what's being displayed if indoors.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] idrinktea:
I can agree about the speaker not being wonderful, however I'll get round to rooting it and trying that volume mod, to see if it's any cop. I am loving this phone. I had an S3 Mini running Cyanogen as my work phone, which spurred me on to go for an Android Phablet once my iPhone contract had ran out. I'd had this phone for a couple of weeks and I can't say things like the fake leather feel bothers me too much. I carry my phone in a leather wallet/case to avoid having to use screen protectors. I replaced Touchwiz by installing the apk for the S4 version of Trebuchet from the Cyanogen mod, so I've no longer any complaints there. I might find a couple of things that mildly annoy me at some point, but for me it's all looking good.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Did you even read the post you quoted? The N3 is just as loud as the N2 based on GSMArena's lab testing. Everyone here subjectively agrees the N2 speaker has more detail. So what's your point again?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Tubgirl:
Point being that I trust my own ears more than what somebody else is trying to convince me of.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Uhm, OK?

We use a digital noise/loudness meter which measures the peak loudness of the phones and tablets we review, in decibels (dB).

We do our tests in a soundproof studio taking measurements with the handset loudspeaker facing the loudness meter at a distance of exactly 1 m

. For each test we make several consecutive measurements - we usually disregard the highest readings and take the lowest of the maximum values, as that's least likely to have been misread. We test three different types of audio samples for three different scenarios.​
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
Barry,

You have to realize that you folks have perfect hearing, perfect vision, perfect hand to eye coordination and lastly perfect reflexes.. These are the GN3 user base.... So no "Voodoo" science test will be conclusive, no matter how much thought is put into it.....

Lol...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] dallastx:
I hate Knox and too many apps Force Close. Otherwise it's better then my Note 2.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
Apps force close?

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] EillonCross:
Really the only thing that I hate is the fact that the stupid thing doesn't come with a lot of, if any, accessories in retail stores. Everything else I hate about it I have changed. Everything from the coloring of the notification bar to the pull down menu to the Touchwiz skin. So I am 95% satisfied with this purchase.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
Accessories will come. That's what toy get for being on the cutting edge of technology. The phone is just too damn new.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] sahildeswal:
Not really a remorse but is it just me or its really difficult getting the s pen out from the slot! Everytime i take it out feels like i would accidently scratch the damn thing...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] tenemortem88:
agree'd! Let the people speak!!! :D <333