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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Johmama:
As already pointed out: I don't regret buying my Nexus 7 one bit because of the flexibility. I say flexibility because the Nexus 7 is not only a great average end-user tablet, but also a really great development tablet. You can buy one for 'ma and 'pa back home and keep the bootloader locked and everything stock, but you can also buy one for yourself, unlock the bootloader, and start flashing away. With all the development on the Nexus line, you have a billion options. Between my Nexus 4 and Nexus 7, I flash something new almost every day.

So to answer OP's question: no, I don't regret buying my Nexus 7. And I won't, ever. I prefer software options and flexibility rather than a slightly faster SoC in a locked, or at least less-open, environment.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] littleromeo:
There were already some rumors about snapdragon 800 when I bought my N7 but i got it anyway.

Their software sucks but it won't be that hard to install Cyanogen mod. However there's always a nexus advantage of software updates.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Claghorn:
I'm with lots of others around here. As long as amazon works so hard to try and lock you into their ecosystem, I have no interest in a kindle fire.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Username invalid:
The Kindle Fire HDX is no doubt impressive but I have moved away from Android tablets after owning both this and the previous Nexus 7. I think Android is great as a phone OS and with them being 5 to 6 inches, I don't have a particular need for a 7 inch tablet for school anymore. I am personally looking forward to the Nexus 5 and Surface Pro 2 which will be in a whole different caliber with Haswell i5, HD 4400, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, digitizer.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] biggiestuff:
Only thing i'm even remotely jealous of is the offline caching of amazon prime content. I'd REALLY like that for other devices or netflix.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] MrPhilo:
Development for Kindles have been terrible, I think they have two bootloader and both are locked or something, I'm sure I read that somewhere.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] chadamir:
I believe that one of the problems with Kindle development were the lack of drivers related to TI OMAP basically being an EOL product and not as open as qualcomm which has CAF, etc. It may be different. There is of course still a boot loader to crack. I don't really care personally since I don't play games.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Kebb42:
hundred exp

Does amazon have an andriod app for prime yet? The last time I tried I had to load up a flash browser to watch content.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Yea Amazon gets it money from profit from their store content and books. They have very high interest to keep users locked into their software. Even if eventually it gets unlocked and get CM, it still won't be a good as having official support. Eventually development will slow down. New Android updates will cease being available on it. It's a hack job in the first place. Not something you can let the wife or mom use.

Every time I jump out of the Nexus lineup, I regret it very badly.

With the N7, you'll get latest and greatest updates for years to come.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ccrows:
I hate downloading MP3s from Amazon and using their lame bloatware downloader.

Why would I want their tablet?...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Oliv3:
Only jealous of the Snapdragon 800....wish N7 had it. I'd be willing to pay more for N7 if it did.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] oldtimer42:
My only regret are the issues the N7 2013 have shown and the lack of 100% resolution. GPS, Multitouch and Random Restarts are the top of my mind of issues. Progress being made on GPS, mostly on Multitouch and hardly any progress on Random Restarts.

Do I regret it... I think yes. However, I mostly regret being an early adopter buying an early version. I would still buy a Nexus product once these issues have been resolved.

Price, Vanilla Android, and Substantial Features are a great formula for me. I have loved my N4 and will continue to use it till it dies.

Kindles are interesting but are not Vanilla Android from Google. If that is not a feature for a buyer I would look at the new Kindles Closely. I would also look at the LG tablet and the new NVIDIA Tablet also. The 2013 product cycle is extremely rich and diverse.

For those that love the Apple Ecosystem the new Mini should be out soon. (gasp)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jhom52:
I have no regrets. The N7 is an excellent tablet. It does all what I want.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DowntownJeffBrown:
No regrets at all. The n7 is a very impressive device as far as I'm concerned. Its fast, smooth, looks very visually appealing and the screen is brilliant. The kindle specs are nice but I want the nexus experience as far as modding what I want and updates right away. Also the kindle looks strange IMHO.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] GoneTomorrow:
Surprised to see Snapdragon 800 in the 7", considering that puts it very significantly faster than the Nexus 7. Still, I think they look ugly and I'd have to settle for a hacked Android experience.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] BrianDigital:
Also throw this in here, the new fire will be probably rooted, but all the good bits like drivers will not be out in the open.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sambistt:
IMHO the price for tablet must be 100$ - this is only plastic+glass

Think about how many people buy first Ipad and second, Samsung Galaxy TAB and many other devices with realy slow hardware for stream video, gps navigation and internet surfing, but thought every day - is great device and change it every 6 month.

but now the tablet`s world is stable

N7 FHD is the optimal device (price\hardware\form factor) for it battery life (2-2.5 years)

and CPU for kindle is not so cool (is newest - but for only 6 months - at spring 2014 `ll be new CPUs and new hardware)

i think all kindle tablet is for stupid idiots - OS is crap, CyanogenMod for Kindle tablets work not so cool, the hardware is like in any other noname tablets. Kindle Paperwhite is the great E-link Reader (i use it sometimes before go to bed), but this device (like any other Amazon`s tablet) is ugly and very big.

my next device would be with replacable battery and flexible screen at 2015 year.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Failrunner:
Lmao! Kindle? No thanks. There's always gonna be a more powerful device but something that is important to me is the app store available, and i'm sure the nexus 7 will get support. The kindle is a tablet for reading. The n7 out of the box is for everything.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] lurtis:
I get what you mean..but I jumped out and have a less active Dev community but....who would a guessed a modded stock ROM does everything I want and it works well. So good in fact at the moment I'm not willing to switch to the handful of cm based Roms available
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] NOMster:
No
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Khendrix:
No regrets. The N7 is awesome. And as stated before, the dev community for the N7 is much bigger. For custom ROMS and dev suppprt I prefer the N7
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] chriscosta77:
I owned the last Kindle Fire HD 7", and side loading apps sucked. Google services was always buggy, and the kindle app wouldn't work right if you used a different launcher. Beautiful screen and speakers were awesome though. My N7FHD makes me want to dig my eardrums out with rusty butter knives because of the crappy speakers.

I love my n7fhd but I wish it had better audio. No regrets otherwise.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Jimmy2u:
No Regrets

No regrets at all....because the apps and the service store offered by google simply makes it far better than Amazon's Kindle...and on behalf of performance stats too...N7(2013) is much better or simply awesome as compared to Amazon's kindle...so as per my view...amazon need to bridge up a lot of things to give competition to google....

Thanks
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] thunderger:
let's wait and see if there will be a new N10. Kindle Fire 8.9 HDX may be a nice device if it is unlockable so that CM (CAF-AOSP) or another AOSP rom can be installed. Because of S800 the HDX devices should get "good" dev support compared to the older ones.

But N7 with CM or PA and an optimized kernel is enough power for daily use and great battery life. So I don't see any reason to buy HDX7 instead of N7.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sfhub:
Google should just pay Amazon to design their hardware.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] danvee:
If the N10 is made by ASUS......... Big pass..... :banghead:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Coronado is dead:
No regrets at all. I don't like the form factor of the Amazon models, and I would not like to be locked into their OS. I know a few people who hate their older Fires now because it just isn't as versatile as they were expecting.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Battlereaver:
Nexus 7

If the Kindle Fire HDX came with Android 4.3 then yes I would be all over it. But like everyone else stated I like the Nexus 7 for its power combined with its latest and greatest Android support. The community for ROMs and tweaks is much much greater for the Nexus and that is why I got one aside from the fact I will do much more with the tablet rather than media consumption and web browsing.

My prior experience with my Kindle Fire OS hasn't been the greatest and I prefer the full Android versions over the Fire 3.0 variation.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] plznote:
I might pick one up because I couldn't get a Nexus 7 without major issues. I'd rather have a nexus, but at least Amazon has good build quality.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] nusaf:
I will buy hdx 7" and sell this nexus7FHD..

Of course develpment is slower but it will have it.As long as I can install CM or PAC,I will buy it.In older kindle fire,it also have CM10.2 and nightly PACrom,and as I see the comment,it is quiet stable.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Bob Smith42:
I looked at the new Kindles. A couple thinks worried me.

First. How do you project the tablet screen to an HDMI monitor? E.g. while watching Prime movies, browsing, etc.

On my new Nexus 7 (2013) there are a number of ways to project the tablet to an HDMI monitor. Chromecast is limited, but Miracast works pretty good for me.

Second. The build quality of the Nexus 7 (2013) is being questioned. There were a number of initial issues, and on the Google forums there is a continuous stream of people experiencing reboot and touch issues. So, my thought on the Kindle was how would I deal with a build quality issue.

Ordering via Amazon, but having to return it, seems like a hassle. So, maybe I would prefer to buy a Kindle from Best Buy or other local store. Unsure. But, I'm definitely waiting to hear about user's experiences with the new Kindle. And, probably I will test drive a new Kindle at the store.

Third. Not having the Google Play store, nor Google services is a big limitation of the Kindle. But, maybe I'm just ignorant of all the Amazon services available that might be similar or better. Yet, I have not heard of Kindle Maps, Youtube, etc. I suspect the Amazon services do not support their Kindle tablets as well as Google services support their devices.

I have an older Kindle and Amazon Prime. It is pretty fun and entertaining. I like the Prime features, sort of like Netflix plus a free book borrow every month. Especially like the improved shipping on Amazon with Prime, which is something Google does not do. Google does not yet have a market for stuff like Amazon or Ebay. But, I do not use the Kindle for shopping on Amazon.

I think the Nexus 7 (2013) with LTE is perfect for reading (great screen) and carrying (small footprint) and connection (multiple LTE network options). So I think the Nexus 7 (2013) is a better device. All the Google services, Play store, Music (if you have it), Maps, Youtube, Android Apps, etc., also make a big difference.

Finally, I have a BNN nook. Its touch is really flaky. Even without touch it starts turning pages and goes crazy. I have to keep the screen spotless or its basically useless. After this experience I am very interested in testing touch on a new device first. If the Kindle has a good user experience, without some of the problems found on many Nexus 7 (2013), it will be a success.

I am fortunate and my Nexus 7 (2013) touch is mostly good (some freezes, missed touches). There are differences with every update so I'm remain skeptical about the quality of the Nexus 7 (2013) touch. We may find out in a few months that all early adopters were suckered with bad hardware, yet the software updates will likely improve what we already have, so in my case touch works fine.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sfhub:
Google "releases" fast on their devices, but I don't know if I would say they "support" their devices well.

Certainly the "communication" for their "support" is horrendous, which isn't that big a deal if they fix things fast, but if things linger, it starts to create a lynch mob.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] evanladoux:
I first bought a 8.9" Kindle for wife in August, mostly to use it to read Kindle ebooks, but then heard of the next gen coming out in a few months & she felt the 7" would be easier to read from etc.

I returned it & got the Nexus 7. Loved being back home with straight ahead Android, it was like a 7" version of my Note 2 phone. But when these new HDX' became pre-orderable the other day, AND avail w/64gb, I had 5 days left on the N7's 30 day return window & pulled the trigger on a 7" 64gb HDX. If I still prefer the N7, I'll just swap back, but we'll see if someone comes up with a CM ROM, for the HDX.

For me, being that there's no microSD slot, the 64gb of the HDX is a def plus over the N7. Also idiotic that batteries are not replaceable like with phones. Imitating Apple on even the stupid things is not smart or happy.

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These are not the droids you're looking for.

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The first thing I'll be doing is finding a way to get Google Play working on the HDX.

ALSO: I'm looking for recommendations re which miracast adapter or dongle to get?

These are not the droids you're looking for.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Bob Smith42:
Oops. Using "support" and "services" was wrong word choice. I meant to say "compliments", like Google Play, Music, Mail applications compliment Android devices. Amazon trails on device application capabilities, in my opinion.

There is obviously confusion about Google device support, including software and firmware patches and hardware revisions. The longer its unresolved the more details will emerge. I'm thinking about posting detailed pics of components on my disassembled Nexus 7 16GB wifi (purchased day one), just for future reference of any hardware revisions. I'm not sure if taking pics is a worthwhile project.

I have become much more paranoid about build quality in general. So, it did not surprise me to hear reports of latest Apple iPhone being more prone to breaking in drop tests. The Nexus 7 never fared well in drop tests, I proved this to myself. I never broke my Kindle but I keep it in a good case. LOL
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Is be really interested in a good personal opinion on it vs the N7. The device sounds wonderful for the same price as the N7. I just hate ONLY having devs to update it. Everyone typically does good at updating it but can't expect it to outlast the life of a N7. XDA is a good hobby and I like being at the front line when new OS updates drop. Keeps the device from getting boring.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] user602:
No regrets here. No matter how good their specs get, Kindles do not exist in my world.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] biggiestuff:
Only on the kindles. :(
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] k28king1:
The new kindle fires have a paired down version of the snapdragon 800, whereas the nexus 7 has a spec bumped snapdragon 4 pro, with the snapdragon 600 GPU, and uses krait 300 cores essentially making it a snapdragon 600 with a name change. Performance wise both tablets will be on par with each other, and as with previous kindle fires that proprietary kindle os may use a lot of CPU essentially bogging it down in the long run.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] gcd0318:
i just want a pure android with all hw features supported originally

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and....new kfhd is not price-advantaged. lowest model is chewap but worst performance, while the model with same performance as n72 does be more expensive.... so, n72....i bought it, i like it
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] peter19220:
same opinion here

I don't think any custom ROM will be up soon for the new Kindles
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] evanladoux:
2 things:

1) the HDX' 64gb over N7's 32 makes a difference to me. I think it's very telling that neither of these have a card slot, if not two of them. But cloud will have to counterbalance.

2) if the new Kindle isn't 'all that', I'll return it within the 30 day Window & get another Nexus. If the corps can be coldly self-serving, so can I. I'm playing by THEIR rules.

These are not the droids you're looking for.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sidthegreatest:
Let's see if Hashcode is buying one.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] finalhit:
How different is the o's from asop? Is it basically a skin (sense motoblur etc) or have they done deeper mods?

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DowntownJeffBrown:
It runs a whole different OS called Fire OS

>^.^< Sent from meow HTC One
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] finalhit:
But fire os is bars off android

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Yes but it's still a different os not a skin like touchpiss or sense ;)

>^.^< Sent from meow HTC One
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] NYCHitman1:
Negative. Nexus > Kindle - any day of the week. I don't give a poop how much storage it has. No access to Google Play Store = deal breaker.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] xdracco:
kindle is a closed ecosystem. and like apple's closed ecosystem, this is a huge turn off for me. i might consider a kindle /if/ the development community for the kindle were a thriving community but it's not. So, no matter how fluffy and awesome a kindle is, i'll likely never get one.

The N7 is plenty. I honestly don't need much more from a tablet.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] WackyClash:
I regret buying it only because it doesn't freaking work. Touchscreen freaks out constantly, completely prevents me from having a good time on it. I hate Asus, they screwed up on the first gen N7 as well.. Hate Hate Hate... And no, I didn't try the firmware patches, and I don't particularly want to. I want my tablet to work as advertised ootb. It pisses me off I have to rig it (for lack of a better word) to work. Screw that.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Coronado is dead:
I mean, if you don't want to try a patch, why not return or sell it at this point?

The patch is easy, persistent through update, and yet reversible. I get the frustration, but why put yourself in a corner like this?

Heck, I did the patch for my father in law and then relocked the device. He's back on stock except that small patch and can even take Google OTA updates.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] nusaf:
Seriously Fire OS is different with Android OS?Doesn't it based on Android OS too but the system integration is too deep compare with others OEM?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Yes it's based on Android 4.2.2 I think but in the end it's basically a closed os just like iOS.

>^.^< Sent from meow HTC One
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] finalhit:
Isn't it basically how htc or Samsung doesn't release their (non gpl) code? If your intention is to flash cyanogen or PA isn't that a not point?

Amazon still has to release their source code.

What can you do with a Samsung tab that you can't do with a Kindle, in terms of modifications?

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] hyperxguy:
I thought this thread is about the new Kindles vs. our N7.

So, what was your point again ?

I have no regret at all and no interest with Amazon's closed system.

But if the Kindle (somehow) has good support [MENTION=243864]xda[/MENTION], then it's a different matter.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] finalhit:
My point was that the Kindle is no more closed than any other Android tablet....including n7

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] NovaSlim:
Kindle can't access Google Play store & Apps without unlocking & flashing a Custom ROM, in this respect it is more closed than even Samsung Tablets. Problem for Kindle is that in comparison N7 will be much easier to unlock, root & find good Devs for because it being a Nexus device and Nexus developer community being larger than all other developer community.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] finalhit:
Well, Kindle just had is own ecosystem. Calling the Kindle closed because it can't access the Google ecosystem is like calling android closed because it can't access apple's ecosystem.

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Yes except Android isn't based off Apple when Fire is based on Android. But I think this thread is off topic far enough now. Back on topic and no I'm not regretful at all I love my n7.

>^.^< Sent from meow HTC One
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DaveRichardson:
C'mon, is this willful ignorance? Amazon doesn't have it's "own app ecosystem," it has a small fraction of Android apps siphoned off the platform's de facto market for distribution through their own janky app repository (to which owners of open Android tablets do have access...not that they'd have any valid reason). The Fires are interesting players if and only if someone cracks the bootloader and it gets stable builds of the big name ROMs (which certainly won't happen in the next 6 months).

The only scenario where buying a Fire would make sense (for one of us--not for casual consumers) would be a one year used one on CL for for dirt cheap after there's proof in the pudding of robust and meaningful XDA support.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] finalhit:
I'm merely challenging your use of the word "open" . The size of the Amazon ecosystem does not determine it's openness. The play store is not even part of aosp. Companies need to license from Google in order to add the play store into oem roms. (this is why aosp derivatives so not have the appstore by default.)

The Kindle fire is just as open as Samsungs and htcs.

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DaveRichardson:
This is a Nexus forum, and a Nexus vs. Kindle comparison?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PJ Clifford:
IMVHO, the difference is that the Kindle was designed to be an ebook reader. The design goals of the engineers revolved around that. Yes, it can do more. Yes, one can beat it into submission with outside help (xda). But, at its heart, it is an ebook reader.

The N7 is an android tablet. While we, here, love to customize, optimize, tweak, and generally play around with our devices, the stock out-of-the-box experience it's MUCH better than anything Amazon puts out.in fact, I would venture to guess that even to most tech savvy people, the N7 totally stock experience is at least "acceptable".

The Kindle NEEDS modification. The N7 does not -- as much as we LOVE to do it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] finalhit:
I thought the purpose of this thread is to survey nexus 7 owners of their opinions of the Kindle fire in relation to the nexus 7...which implies a comparison.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, merely starting that if openness is the reason you prefer nexus7 then it's an invalid reason

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] OneBlueSky:
Don't regret it at all. Not a fan of the Amazon OS. Form factor leaves a lot to be desired as well on the Kindle. Development community for the Nexus seems far more likely to stay better, longer. Nah, I couldn't be happier than I am with my 2013 Nexus. No regrets at all.