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[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
So is the N2's which is based on an 18 month old 8MP camera it shares with the SGS3. Neither the SGS3 or N2's cameras got much praise.

AnandTech

There’s a lot to go through here, but the test charts tell the most objective story. To me, flipping back an forth between Galaxy S 3 and the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 confirms what I already know, that performance is very similar between the two because they’re basically the same system.​

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6386/samsung-galaxy-note-2-review-t-mobile-/6

Anyhow if you liked SGS4 imaging performance, Note 3 is definitely the same, it doesn’t really change the formula in low light however against the competition that now has OIS and bigger pixels, but I won’t belabor that point again.​

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/6

Let's go to the video, shall we?

[YOUTUBE]3-7Hb6n94xU[/YOUTUBE]

Both phones are configured exactly the same way. Same apps, same settings, same syncs. They are both on the same Wi-Fi network connected to a WNDR 4500. I took this after both devices came back from a restart. Forgive the poor video quality; I took it with a Note 10.1. Also forgive the creepy background music; it's better than a re-run of How I Met Your Mother which I had on the TV and forgot to turn down when I made the video.

You guys that keep holding the N2 up as some demi-God of technology keep forgetting quite a few of us here have/had one too.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
You didn't answer my Q Barry, regarding the browser reloading - does yours do it too?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Hey interesting video!

I thought that the Gnote3 with all that power house, would be way faster than the GNote2, but it's not.

And its screen looks blewish?

And since you own both, tell us the truth....isn't the GNote2 the best phone even made?

It is costing 400€ right now...

Best buy for sure !
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Piercing Heavens:
Since day 2 I've been itching to return it for an iPhone 5s and I love android. Just 2 more days left to decide if I keep or return the note.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
If you're talking bang for buck the Note 2 is easily the best phone available right now.

If you're talking most powerful and most future proof then the Note 3 easily dominates.

Both phones are awesome but for different reasons.

Sent from my SM-N9005
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Bruce lee roy:
This respose is funny.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Sorry. No, it doesn't.

Here's what I said about the N3's browser a couple of pages ago.

Browser - I thought it would be noticeably faster all around and it's not. It's 10x faster in scrolling, panning, and zooming but doesn't load pages any faster than my N2. Samsung also dropped Chrome bookmark integration which kind of sucks. Also, Samsung introduced Window Manager to handle opening and closing multiple windows. It's beautiful but sluggish.​

I wrote that without doing a side-by-side comparison and based it on "feel." The video shows I was clearly wrong. The N2 had a full one second head start loading the non-mobile version of the WSJ (which is a huge site) and finished well after the N3. So you can surmise that on heavy sites the N3's a lot faster than the N2.

The screen isn't "bluish." Auto-brightness on the N2 is more aggressive so that, the lighting, and the crappy 5MP camera on the Note 10.1 I shot the video with may have made it look bluish.

No, the N2 isn't the "best phone ever made" - not even close. The longer I use the N3 the more impressed with it I am. It completely outclasses the N2 in pretty much every way. But as I've said before, the N2 is still a great device. When you add in the price difference and the different ways people use their phones it might be the better value for some people. For people that use S Pen, S Note, and multiview the N3's worth the additional expense in my opinion. For people that don't the LG G Pro with a brighter 1080P LCD display, more modern SoC/GPU, and 13MP camera is the better choice at a similar price to the N2. For people like you that have a N2, well, you need to make the call individually.

But all the ROM loading, kernel swapping, and Franken-phoning you've discussed regarding the N2 isn't going to overcome this. So even loading the N3's s/w on the N2 isn't going to allow it deliver near the performance of the N3's faster (by magnitudes) SoC/GPU, additional GB of RAM, and faster RAM/NAND.

GL Benchmark T-Rex

GL Benchmark Egypt

Linpack

Benchmark PI
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Tubgirl:
So only because I think the N3 speaker is crap I'm suddenly holding the N2 up as some demigod? Everybody here who's disappointed with the N3 speaker also have/had a N2 and the only point I'm trying to make is, The N3 speaker sound is worse than the N2 speaker sound and that sucks, period.

As you've already suspected I'm never going to buy the N3 but I'm hoping Samsung notice that some people are very disappointed and maybe, just maybe they'll make improvements on the N4.

Or would you prefer the N4 to make another step backwards compared to the N3??
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
I and quite a few people here could give a crap about the differences between the N2 and N3's speaker. Obviously, it's all you care about. You can post until you turn purple and it's not going to make people that don't care about the speaker think any differently about the N3. And since your priorities and mine are 360 degrees apart I'm glad you won't be getting a N3. Shouldn't you be in the N2 forum thread "reasons not to get a N3" warning your fellow N2 owners about how horrible the N3 is? You're beginning to sound like Tokyo Rose from WWII.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bkeaver:
As a former N2 owner I'd have to agree with the post above this one.

My mobile app is messing up. Sorry tubgirl you actually got a free thanks as I was trying to give it to Barry...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's a comparison for people that may have tuned in late. Draw your own conclusions.

Note 3

[YOUTUBE]jij4_N7ekF4[/YOUTUBE]

Note 2

[YOUTUBE]gbngBWtXvDo[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
When I said better, I didn't mean more powerful ( but you know that [MENTION=1493949]BarryH_GEG[/MENTION] )

And you are experienced enough to know the benchmark results are useless and what counts is the daily user experience.

Especially when manufacturers like Samsung uses benchmark boosting software to inflate scores ( or something like that):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/

But you post them anyway and I wonder why ...

I remember when the GNote2 was launched, that there were not so many complaints as the GNote3 is getting now ( and I am not even talking about the outrageous region lock thing)

I am talking about people already reporting Smearing, ghosting screen issues for instance ( maybe not on all devices, but we all know how Samsung's production quality control is)...

I remember my GNote1 having some annoying screen issues and after I got my GNote2 with the non-pentile much better screen, it was like a breath of fresh air.

And now is pentile all over again

And you know that the sound quality of the GNote2 ( for music, headsets) is better than the GNote3. Unless your hearing is somehow more sophisticated than mine

And you already probably know ( or maybe really not) that the GNote2 is flawlessly handling many GNote3 features like air view, air command, scrapbook etc etc.

I know mine is and I will make a video soon to show...

Not for the people here but for the hard working GNote2 developers that are doing such a good job

And you wont be able to say nothing about video frame rate and other nonsense stuff..

Don't bother to react to this post, and don't waste your time posting useless charts, pics and test results.

The only way I would change my mind is after performing myself some more tests.

We all know your obstinacy ( forgive my english) ..

And that's what new Note users should do:

Go to a showroom play with both devices, don't forget to take your headsets and then after a while if you are still in doubt, have a look on the price tags

To have references is ok but Believe mostly on you own experience.....

I am out.....too much happening on the GNote2 forum..is OCFD all over again :eek:

And to all new users out there : always check things out yourself

Or not, as long as you are happy :cyclops:

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Limeybastard:
Damn, major fail. I just tried and couldnt change it either .
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sweeney_uk:
strange works fine for me. got phone, messaging, email, chrome and apps in mine
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Limeybastard:
Ooops, sorry it does work my bad.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
You can post until you turn purple but it's not going to make people who do care about the speaker change their minds.

Learning to love my N3 but that doesn't mean I need to post several times a day to try and convince satisfied N2 users that my phone is superior. It is but that doesn't change the fact that the N2 is still a fine device. I've been more than pleased with mine for the past several months.

Sent from my SM-N9005
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Tubgirl:
Thanks for focusing on the speaker this time and not trying to mumble about Bluetooth and other stuff. I even hit the thanks button since you admitted that the N3 is for people that don't care about the speaker... I rest my case.

Brgds... /Tubgirl

GT-N7100 via Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
People posted that they were disappointed with the external speaker, that there was lag in the contacts app, and the stock browser was having redraw issues and was slow. I took the time to create videos of each so people could draw their own conclusions. What have the people, many of whom don't own a N3 and never intended to buy one, done to demonstrate or quantify the issues they are complaining about? Subjectively saying something "sucks" without anything to help people understand what "sucks" means isn't very helpful.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
lol,

Top end of the performance spectrum in terms of overall phone functionality, and people are using the absolutely worst way to listen to any type of media.... Crazy, stuff....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
People just don't grasp it that couldn't care less about the speaker ..

For me, I'll say it again - The Note 2 pisses on the Note 3 external speaker's audio tone from a great height.

If that doesn't bother you - the shrill high end that is present when listening to ANY audio sans earphones, good for you.

Some of us can't carry around Bluetooth speaker's , or even use earphones in certain situations, therefore we rely on our device's external capabilities.

The Note 2 its agreed by those that use phones as I described is definitely superior in all aspects of external audio than the Note 3 is.

I really dig my Note 3 now, but will always think, and know Samsung made a mistake and dropped the ball, for user's like myself.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] heavylift:
I agree with you , and the pro-note2-we-wont-buy-note-3 movement on this site is fckn ridiculous

but if your priorities are 360 degrees apart from the other user ..then they are in the same place .. just sayin
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mi7chy:
What's this about the speaker? Unless you got a dud the speaker on my Note 3 is as loud but without sounding muffled, distorted and the rattling back cover of my Note 2. Battery life is an incredible 4d6h with 3h40m screen on time. The only legitimate gripe I have of the Note 3 is the ungrounded multitouch issue that hopefully can be improved/fixed with firmware.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] heavylift:
4 days and a quarter with almost 4 hours ost .. I call it bull man ..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
You gotta use the phone lol !

Cell stand-by the largest % :laugh:

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] fade2black101:
Did you aeroplane mode it at night?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
Probably had WiFi and mobile data off 99% of the time as well. If those were on all the time, like on mine, there's no way they could have gotten more that 1.5 - 2 days.

Sent from my SM-N9005
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mi7chy:
LTE was enabled the whole time otherwise I wouldn't be able to receive any calls (see that Groove IP GV circle icon). Verizon's great coverage and LTE's low power consumption contributed to this. This demonstrates more of a best case scenario with WIFI disabled and apps that don't fully max out the CPU and GPU cores.

Worse case would be enabling both LTE and WIFI and maxing out CPU and GPU cores running a 3D game which would kill the battery probably in about 4-5 hours.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] joverclock:
this is what i dont like or wish was better. Got my phone on the 4th. Im EXTREMELY HAPPY with phone.

-I wish the focus was better on the camera when doing indoor shots. I have a shaky guitar hand so that may be part of issue but..

- I wish it was modular in design. Like PC's. Upgrade to S1000 or w.e next week when it comes out.

-Cheaper(I bought mine out right)

-Faster SOC(like PC fast)Crysis 3 4k wirelessly streamed to my oculus rifter 2000 on my omni treadmill 42XXX steroid edition.

gamecube,playstation,nintendo,sega , etc etc will have to do for now

Yeah i give up on this. I want a all in one device that wont exist for years and years to come.I think this is an awesome device for here and now.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MSK1:
Surely its just simply too expensive.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
Compared to what???
[Galaxy Note 3 General] force70:
Thats a personal situation related thing..whats expensive to me may not be for you and vice versa. I didnt blink and eye dropping $800+ on this device...and its the 3rd device I bought outright this year and may end up with probably at least one more before year end
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MSK1:
Its all relative.

The increase in cost from note 2 vs the incremental benefit is not worth it.

Obviously if money is no object then its different.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
To me, coming from a smaller device such as the S4 or HTC One or Iphone 5 etc...

Its a worthwhile purchase if it suits your day to day needs. But I can't argue with the folks not wanting to drop full $$$ for a device when compared to last years model. The Note 4 will probably be a device Note 2 users will gravitate towards if they have not upgraded already..

Now if you use the device as a business expense write off, then its all relative.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] foxmeister:
Who says?

I paid nothing for my Note 2 a year ago, and sold it for nearly £300 before paying £600 for my Note 3.

Yes I'm on a contract, but it's only £10 a month more than the equivalent SIM only price, which means I've had a Note 2 and a Note 3 in two years for £540, and I'd expect to get at least £250 for my Note 3 this time next year.

Play the game right, and you can get a lot of phone every year for not a great deal of money.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Antlink:
I never thought I would post on here as I'm happy with the hardware I've got.

But after reading news from the rumour mill, samsung maybe using chips to try and lock down the 3rd party accessories market.

I hope I've not inadvertently supported this business practice.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jamesindc:
To the complainers..just buy an iPhone and be done with it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] recDNA:
Too small

Beamed from my Galaxy Note 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
Where have you seen or read about the accessories chip lock down?

Jerome, Jerome the metronome
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sohebq:
Its there on all tech sites. Check sammobile.com

Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
Thanks,

Ughhhhhh going all Apple...

Jerome, Jerome the metronome
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MSK1:
I paid 400 a year ago with a 11/month contract.

That's 330 per year. (Assuming 2 years use)

Get 200 for it now and pay 600 for note 3.

That changes the cost to 530 per year assuming same contract.

From 330 per year to 550 per year is big incremental increase for a phone that isn't that much better than n2.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] buckwurst:
How did you get it to work?

I've seen various suggestions on forums, but they all don't appear to work for the Australian version (and Samsung AU responded to my mail telling me they had "removed that function"... so maybe fixable for you but not for me, but can you share how anyway so I can try
[Galaxy Note 3 General] caldwelljt:
Doesn't it have a backwards compatible USB 3 port?

I'm using my old chargers when im not transferring data... seems to work fine.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
C'mon....Just because one doesn't want to be a Sheepsung, it doesn't mean he of she have to become an i-Sheep.

Furthemore HTCheeps are also wanted.

Not to mention sheeporolas and LGsheeps...

...

I am just happy that my Note2 is Shamesung proof

As my Gnote3 would be if I had one

Anyhoe, somebody brought the iPhone to this discussion...

It's time to leave...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] grifter9931:
I want to be a Lambosheep or a Mclarasheep...

Jerome, Jerome the metronome
[Galaxy Note 3 General] JCM800:
I'm not feeling so remorseful about buying my Note 3 now. Its taken time but I'm kinda enjoying it now. I still have issues with what Samsung has done to the sound quality, I pray they will address them in the releases of their next top tier phones ...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Jfree3000:
I like waffles.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] 1sagain:
CONS:

I have a small gap between screen and bezel on left side.

A piece of dust in my camera (does not render pictures taken useless though/ cant see it)

My home button actually shifts diagonally a bit if i push it at an angle

Samsung's customer service is HORRENDOUS.

Camera could have been better! It doesn't seem as good as my gf's iPhone / and the Sony Xperia

Pulling the S PEN out is actually tough. its hard to pull it out.

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But everything else I love about it::good:

Phone does NOT heat up (Unless I do 3D gaming.) (Stays cooool to the touch in anything else/ Even while watching blu-ray movie/ HD Youtube)

I get easy 2 days or 1 and a half day of battery life.

I experience NO lag, hang ups, reboots, any bugs. its so smooth!

I do not have multi touch issues (10 fingers registered while moving LOL) (5 fingers were mine, 5 were my co workers)

My phone is region unlocked (all canadian variants are) and it even works with AWS 1700/2100 bands without rooting/ modifying

It was awesome to use action note to take down information when I was on an important call.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] adventure_of_link:
Right now I'm having buyers' remorse, but for unusual reasons.

I made a video demonstrating the Odin root method and compared to the GS4 video I made, I haven't gotten many bites; IIRC I got like 1,000 hits or whatever in the first month on the GS4. as/is I'm at 174 hits for the GN3. Either this isn't a popular series, or thanks to that Knox security thing everyone is scared to root it... (furthermore, even all the spammers are scared to post stuff on my GN3 but flood the crap out of the GS4 one, so that says something...)

Additionally Otter Box is taking FOREVER to release a case for the GN3. Judging by the GS4 I thought it'd be a few weeks; guess not... :( and it sucks not having a case for it and I don't wanna leave home without a case, so it hasn't gotten much use (though I do use it to play games every once in awhile and charge the battery; I must say the idle time is pretty decent). What sucks is that pretty much all the Apple stuffs got their OBs and even the LG G2 just got theirs not too long ago.

and BetoNL, I'm a former "HTCheep" and won't ever go back (the main reason is I love my PS3/Wii controllers on my Android and thanks to Sense and of course HTC being first party and has to have bloat for everything to work right, I could never use AOSP for very long on it).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] foxmeister:
You can't compare GN3 popularity with the GS4's.

Whilst the Note series sells very well, it is still a rather niche device, though it is bordering on mainstream these days.

In addition, I've found that with each iteration of the Note series, there's been less and less reason to root.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note 3 General] phi11yphan:
I know I've complained a bit, but I just realized something nice about the GN3 that I can't remember on my previous devices.

I'm getting ready to root then flash custom recovery followed by lidroid's rom; so I was taking screenshots of various stock settings before I lose that info. Thats when I noticed my uptime statistics: 365 hours. That's over 15 days without a single reboot. That may sound boring or expected, but I'm impressed.

That means no crashing, thanks to decent stability and exception handling. That also means no depleted battery. True, it means I haven't flashed anything either... but I don't recall ever going that long on my other phones.

This phone is my daily driver for business calls, wifi, bluetooth, email, texting, camera, news, social networking. In all my use, it hasn't glitched once after 2 weeks. Kudos there!

I'd keep the uptime counter going, but I want to see what the ODIN screen looks like for the knox flags....
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's a great article that kind of sums up the N3's performance. The author's not a Samsung fan and outlines many reasons why in his write up. As a productivity user I share his views.

As I have written many times in the past, my main personal phone is an iPhone and then I always carry a second handset. Typically, that second handset is whatever device I might be reviewing or writing about at the time. Then when I’m done with my coverage I go back to the HTC One, which I recently called the best Android smartphone on the planet. I began reviewing Samsung’s Galaxy Note 3 about a month ago now and I still haven’t switched back to the One. So why haven’t I switched back?

It boils down to two main reasons and the first is no surprise: the display. The screen on the Galaxy Note 3 is stunning. It’s ridiculously bright, the contrast is outstanding and the clarity is terrific. Color saturation can get a bit intense just as it does on most or even all AMOLED screens, but the pros far outweigh the cons. Carrying the Note 3 is like carrying a beautiful Samsung HDTV in your pocket.

But the second reason I’m having trouble putting the Note 3 down is very surprising to me: the software. Software, you see, is not Samsung’s strong point. Not even close. The company’s TouchWiz interface and software layer occasionally bring some nice additions to Android, but Samsung has a serious feature spam problem. The company has historically crammed as much as it possibly can into each new handset, opting for quantity over quality every time. With the Note 3, Samsung pumped the brakes. Refinement was key with the Galaxy Note 3 and rather than stuff in tons of new S Pen features as it did in the Note II, Samsung worked hard to improve upon the features that were already there. Almost every stylus-related feature in the Note 3 is better than it was before. I love being able to write out notes and then having the device instantly convert my handwriting to text. The ability to type out a search and surface results from handwritten files is also fantastic, and the new Air Command widget makes accessing key stylus features a breeze. 62% of Note device owners use the S Pen each and every day according to Samsung, and there has never been a better S Pen experience than the one on the Galaxy Note 3.​

http://bgr.com/2013/10/25/galaxy-note-3-review-one-month/
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Cst79:
The Nexus 4 has a glass back.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
I was just joking about the fact that I would go to anything else rather than the iPhone, as it is being mentioned even here, sadly more than once .....

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