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[G2 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
http://phandroid.com/2013/10/01/galaxy-note-3-samsung-benchmark-booster/

Embarrassing. They know that their Touchlag software is STILL not optimized for Jelly Bean so they have to keep doing this to look normal and comparative to the rest. Samsung is no different than the company they hated and battled for so long.... Apple. Mo' money, mo' problems I guess.

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That review is so great and brutally honest. And I feel vindicated that my Note 3 stutter and lag claims were confirmed. Just goes to show that specs don't matter with Touchwiz. It just simply isn't optimized for Jelly Bean and it shows. How sad.
[G2 General] Droid2drummer:
No brainer ..G2 tired of pentile amoled and all of its forms. Kills true HD imo
[G2 General] Walter21026:
I was so dissapointed when I read this news. It just seems like sammy is going to try to become the Intel corperation of the cell phone market.
[G2 General] carakamuda:
Go go G2.. I'm so glad I chose it over the Note 3. Here's a list of my most favourite stuffs on the G2: fast device, portability, battery life, great screen and knock knock feature. Knock-knock it's on..

Note 3 is a great device, but the extra screen estate is made at the expense of portability.
[G2 General] eddie33081:
I am also on the fence between these two devices. Ive had an S3 for a while and it does still run great using my Custom Rom. I just wish on both the G2 and Note 3 that one had really great build quality to make it easier to choose one. I am definitely leaning towards the G2 since it is Loki'd and we might not see any type of unlock on the note 3 due to there new security.
[G2 General] uppon2:
First of all, to all the people talking about touchwiz being crap. Yes it is obviously crap, but as soon as the development picks up and you control throttling, I can see it becoming a very superior phone for those that like amoled screens! Also I have seen the Xperia Z Ultra and CRAP ME that thing is way to big, WAY WAY WAY tooooo big. It is about the same size as my Nexus 7 (It is honestly ridiculous to be a phone) and the Oppo N1 is not going to be that much smaller. I love all of the features of Oppo but I made a cut out of it's size and it is also ridiculously tall because of the camera layout.

I just read this review and it has made me angry. These guys hate on the G2 so bad

My 3 phones I am tossing up between now are

Galaxy Note 3: If I can handle going back to amoled, but it would have to be FAR greater than the screen on the S3 and I simply don't think the technology will ever make me feel like I am using a life like screen. If it looks equal or worse than my previous phone (Droid DNA) I simply will not buy it

LG Optimus G Pro: Has decent development support because it is older, I like that it is 5.5 and the glowing home button on the front really makes it sexy. If it gets 4.2.2 or 4.3 update it would be awesome. I also like being able to remove the battery as I do a lot of bug testing and found it extremely annoying on my DNA that I couldn't simply pop it out but rather sit there holding the power button for 10 seconds and waiting for it to turn off. This might sound silly but trust me, when you are testing, sometimes you pop the battery out 20-30 times a night. I never bother to use external SD because everytime I have tried it on my phones, they always seem to lag on the lockscreen during "unlock" - Happened on a HTC and SGS 1,2,3 with several stock and custom ROMs. The fact the option is there is better than not.

LG G2: Camera, screen and battery are the biggest stand out features for me here. I am just hoping that 5.2 is big enough for me once I hide the nav. I am coming from a Droid DNA and that screen seems small to me now! - I am still so frustrated about which to choose out of these 3. I have never owned a phone that wasn't used for testing and running custom ROMs so waiting for support might get me itchy
[G2 General] phobic99:
Honestly, I'm surprised Gizmodo is still online. They're well know to be one of the worst tech sites out there. Heck, posting a link should be an automatic ban as far as I'm concerned. Yes, they're that bad. :laugh:

Really though, the G2 is a pretty nice phone but you really have to look at the pros and cons for yourself. The screen really does look nicer than my Note 2 but the step down in size is noticeable. People gripe about the G2's UI but honestly, TouchWiz is worse for me since it's so ugly and clunky. I've found myself missing the S-pen on the G2 every now and then and I wouldn't even consider myself a heavy s-pen user. I have 11 more days with the G2 before I can't return it but I'm still considering the Note 3.

I suppose in the end, I'll pick the phone with the most dev support. Obviously that'll be the Nexus 5 so maybe I'll say I'll pick the phone with the longest battery life and most dev support. :laugh:
[G2 General] leroybrute:
I got the Note 2 on opening day. Best phone ever I thought. But I carry my phones in my shirt pocket. Ihated how it weighed my shirt down and embarrassing at times. So i decided to go with the S4. I still felt the Note 2 was better. Then the G2 came out with a 5.2" screen and fits in my shirt pocket. To me the G2 is the best phone out for those reasons only.

Otherwise the Note 3 would be in my pocket in 8 days.
[G2 General] tiguy99:
They have the note 3@ my tmobile store. Played with it again...wasn't impressed. Told the LG rep about what we're saying re: the G2 vs the note. She got on her phone and loaded xda right then & there.

To me there's no comparison the G2 smokes the note 3 unless you have to have the extra .5 in screen space & stylus
[G2 General] MohJee:
Funny you that. Since the UI from your beloved G2 is almost completely a direct port of touchwiz.
[G2 General] tiguy99:
Doesn't the UI run a lot smoother on the G2 vs the S4 & Note 3?
[G2 General] NaveenKumarXDA:
One word note3
[G2 General] Droc1983:
I upgraded from the SG3 and I love how fast the G2 but I am so used to the Rom options for the SG3. I wonder if the G2 will get more development as time goes on.
[G2 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Just because some of the icons look similar to Touchwiz, now it's a direct port? LOL.

The LG UI is actually smooth and fast first of all. That alone makes it nothing like Touchwiz. There isn't that ridiculous lag and stutter while scrolling homescreens, opening and exiting folders, apps, etc.

Furthermore, there are a TON of customization options right out of the box with the LG UI to the point where it's almost like you are running a custom rom and launcher.

This UI is nothing like Touchwiz, I can assure you. Other than the general appearance of some of the icons.... But who judges a book by its cover? Oh, wait...
[G2 General] recDNA:
What scares me is the talk about poor call quality. I mostly use phone for data but when I make a call I need to hear it. Just no way to know how common the problem is. People with no problems don't post as much.
[G2 General] carakamuda:
I got the international version of G2. Been making and receiving calls from wifey these couple of days and had no complaint from her end. She said that she could still hear some background sound as I was talking to her but nothing major enough to take notice. She said that my voice sounded louder when I use iPhone 5 but it's not a big deal. I could hear her voice just okay from my end, nothing fantastic though. To be honest, I think call quality is a bit better with the iPhone 5 (can't compare with the note 3). In terms of the whole package, G2 is definitely a keeper.
[G2 General] tiguy99:
Lookup the G2 vs HTC One threads. That phone has one of the best call qualities out there. Many people raved about the G2's call quality when compared to the One.

I posted a thread inquiring the same thing and got several raves from people who owned both phones saying the G2 has good call quality. That sold me on it enough to return the One for the G2
[G2 General] muzhik:
Is G2 on fire sale from Verizon... its at $99 right now - waiting for N3 to show up, to compare the two.
[G2 General] leroybrute:
I just checked Verizon and also googled it and I can't find it for $99 anywhere.
[G2 General] muzhik:
i get this price once i login into my account and select to add new line of service
[G2 General] leroybrute:
Excellent. Thanks.
[G2 General] abalosmusic:
Fkkk. Making me thinking of returning my note 3 and getting a g2... lol but I see theres no aosp on it... yet alone not much roms out for it yet.. and how long has this been out?
[G2 General] :
I noticed lg2 was stutterfree in gui fluidness, almost on par as Iphone5. Note3 stuttered on the example model, easy choice really. for me
[G2 General] vegetaleb:
Here the Note 3 cost 850$ and G2 630$

220$ difference!!

Though the G2 is only 16gb :crying:
[G2 General] Life Engineer:
Hehe so we were chatting in Lebgeeks and now in here!

I am also really torn between LG G2 and SG GN3!

I want bigger screen (than my Nexus 4) and better battery life, but in here as you said Note 3 is pretty expensive!

Also I think G2 has better battery life and most importantly easier on single handed use!

I still can't pick up my mind! :(
[G2 General] vegetaleb:
The S4 is not a bad choice,specially now that 4.3 is fixing the lags.

It's still bigger than my 4.7'' One.

LG Lebanon is lacking infos about the 32gb release,it could come in 1 week like in 2 months.

Note 3 is expensive because only black market have it right now,but when Samsung officialy release it here I am pretty sure it will fall in the 7xx price bracket
[G2 General] eitama:
Mr vegetaleb, Hi from you neighbor from south!

Not really sure this is a good clue but we will get the 32GB here in Israel @ 20.1.13, so maybe it will come to Lebanon around the same time!
[G2 General] uppon2:
I went and had a play with the Note 3 today. The screen had great brightness and depth but I have now solidified my hatred for amoled screens. The colours are just too saturated and cartoon like. It's sad because I have owned all of the Galaxy series and quite frankly I just find them boring now. I thought the N3 would change my mind but it didn't. The only way I can explain the amoled colours vs IPS colours it like this; when you look at an old car made from old sturdy metal vs a car with a lot of plastic, the appearance of the colour seems more natural on the metal. Amoled screens just look like painted plastic with too much coating, where IPS looks like painted metal with the right amount of coating.

When I was using the Note 3 today the size wasn't that big of a deal to me and if anything the screen might have been a little bit too big to focus on all at once without having to drastically flick your eyes around to see everything. I never thought that would put me off but it almost makes using it a little bit uncomfortable on the eyes.

Now my war is almost over, I am only deciding between two phones now

LG G2 or Optimus G Pro

Not sure if 5.2" is a big enough upgrade over my Droid DNA at 5" so the Optimus G Pro is looking very tempting especially since it is almost $200 cheaper than the LG G2. If the G2 had even just a slightly bigger screen, maybe 5.4" I would 100% be sold on it as I love the look of it and the specs.

TOUGH DECISION GUYS!
[G2 General] Life Engineer:
Honestly, this is the biggest drawback of on screen soft buttons!

I am a Nexus 4 user and I find it irritating!

Go check the web photos, although LG G2 has 5.2" screen, galaxy S4 has more actual screen to use/see!

(I know there's some mods to minimize it or delete it) but it's still an issue coz you're never really getting 5.2"!
[G2 General] uppon2:
I think I might be leaning towards the Optimus G Pro. I just hope the battery life is ok. I wish the LG G2 had a bigger screen! - I hate making this decision.

*Edit* Has anybody seen the LG G2 and the Optimus G Pro side by side. Every video I see it looks like the screen is almost the same size. When I look at the cardboard dummy phones I made up, the screen looks way bigger on the G Pro. Weird
[G2 General] sidthegreatest:
Anyone compared the G2 to a Xperia Z1 ?
[G2 General] vegetaleb:
Me and Z1 experience:

-Specs: 21mp,new LCD technology,waterproof.

-Me: OMG this will be an awesome phone!!!

-Specs continue: 5'' screen but bigger than the G2 and as heavy as a Note 3

-Me: Damn! another epic fail from Sony
[G2 General] :
Pretty much my feelings on the Z1 also.
[G2 General] uppon2:
I also looked at that today. It feels VERY good in the hand (I have medium sized hands) - The square edges provided a very firm grip, the weight was excellent if you like a heavier device as you could really feel how well made it was. Unfortunately the screen was too small for me but I would 100% choose it over my Droid DNA.

Keep in mind it has very similar specs, the camera is nowhere near as good, even with it's higher rating. Here is a good comparison between a few handsets including the G2 and the Z1 with the same pictures taken. You can clearly see the difference

The Z1 development is also lacking support like the G2 so no luck there atm either

If you can get one for the same price, I think the screen and camera are better on the G2 and I have a hunch the G2 dev support will grow to be bigger

I would personally go the LG G2 in almost every category besides the obvious water/dust resistant features of the Sony
[G2 General] vincey2kr1:
leaning towards the LG G2 just because the Sprint note 3 will not be Triband.. I need me some LTE 800mhz . Might be the difference between having a signal or not = a no brainer
[G2 General] Kristoph:
I have both G2 and Note 3 on AT&T. The G2 feels slightly faster in everyday usage. The note 3 screen is brighter with both phones at 100%. They also feel the same weight to me too considering the size difference. The 4 icons across on the note 3 pisses me off, but oh well. Tried Nova on both and it's hard to tell a difference speed wise. LG's UI is definitely better than touchwiz IMO.
[G2 General] garywojdan81:
Can someone tell me what constitutes adequate dev support? I keep reading this false claim in these threads and think that its completely groundless. This device has been on U.S. carriers for all of what, 2 weeks? And it already has multiple ROMs and mods and at least 3 devs who have been on here that either have it already or are committed to getting it. From what I've been reading across multiple forums, that's a whole lot more action than the other flagships are showing at this point.

I don't have this phone yet so none of you know me, but I've been doing weeks of research into all of the big shooters available on VZW, and so far, this has been what I keep coming back to; for multiple reasons. The greatest of which is that the g2 really represents something new, in design and form and function. Everything else just seems to be more of the same old same old. The g2, for me, is more than I expected, while the One, the moto x, the new droids and anything Samsung seem underwhelming.
[G2 General] geoff5093:
The G2 is 32GB
[G2 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Not were he lives. ;)
[G2 General] curly9:
I owned the g pro great device but the g2 to me is every bit better. The battery life I had on mine was all over the place. Good some days bad others
[G2 General] WPWoodJr:
That's not really true. You only lose screen at the bottom. The advantage of having a wider screen is still there for instance in viewing web pages.

Sent from my Verizon LG G2

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Did you know you can drag up to 7 icons into the LG app dock at the bottom?

Sent from my Verizon LG G2
[G2 General] aznmode:
I have the g2 and just picked up the note 3. I think I'm keeping the note 3. Screen is actually good on it and its better than the my s4 for sure. Brighter and whites are whiter and not yellow. Icons and text are sharp. But g2 has the better screen and is slightly brighter but not by much. S4 is the dimmest. Haven't seen the note 3 lag yet. My g2 lags now after all my widgets added. Need to test this on the note 3. As far as one handed use. Check this out if you didn't already know. You can shrink the screen either left or tight side and its now one handed use. If you need full screen just expand it again for better gaming , reading, and surfing.
[G2 General] Kristoph:
Yes, I tend to like dockless and usually end up installing Nova.
[G2 General] vegetaleb:
Another bad thing for the G2 that S4 and surely Note 3 have: aptx!

I need that for clear and loud sound over BT in my car
[G2 General] Noam23:
LG G2 does have aptx...

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4216
[G2 General] vegetaleb:
Thid looks like a generic copy/paste for new phones,no other sources are confirming it
[G2 General] Alanmw86:
I'm so torn!!!!! (head explodes) Just waiting to see what G2 Devving looks like for T-Mobile, need that wifi calling ><
[G2 General] vegetaleb:
I am gonna try Note 3 at samsung showroom tonight,let's see if its worth the extra 150$
[G2 General] barondebxl:
I like that feature on the Note 3

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I owned both, the G2 is where its at.
[G2 General] tiguy99:
Let us know what you think! Hope you have more time with it & don't have a salesman breathing down your neck like i did lol
[G2 General] mainstang:
I'm feeling the pull of note 3 strong today. I'm trying to decide if triband and OIS is enough to keep me waiting for the g2. I think I will play with both at an att store and make my decision tonight.

I'm usually around wifi and have been burned waiting on sprint when they were pushing WiMAX.

Other thing I keep thinking about is that resell value on the note would probably be better considering most on craigslist do not know about triband and only sees the note 3 brand. (I trade a lot w/ my phones)

Battery life are shown to be about equal.

My new important factors are

CAMERA SHUTTER SPEED

SCREEN (size&quality) my wife's iphone looks so much better than my gS3 amoled.

TRIBAND

Side question for those with the G2 does the screen brightness(when on auto) go down to an almost unreadable level like my GS3 does. I have to give the iphone praise for some of the best auto brightness defaults I would love to see that with the G2.
[G2 General] surge27:
Auto brightness default is much brighter than what you'd think. Shutter speed and screen are better n G2, IMO

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Barondebxl, what do you think between the G2 and GN3??
[G2 General] tiguy99:
Screen brightness is not a problem with the G2 especially with auto brightness on. I had a Galaxy before trust me I know where you're coming from.

Play with both phones in the store like I did. You'll know quickly which direction you want to go in. Both are super solid phones. I prefer the screen quality and holdabilty of the G2 better. I have big hands but @ the end of the day, which phone would I get tired of holding to my face when I have to make a call and my bluetooth is recharging like mine is now??!

For me the choice was obvious
[G2 General] uppon2:
If you look back I said "atm" after it. I am used to using Samsung devices. Hell many devices get ROMs released by developers before they even own the phone because each variant is like the next in ways, it is not that complicated once the foundation has been made, which for LG has never been made. I do know what you're saying though, the US is not the only country in the world that develop though.

Gahhhhhhhhh. Does the screen size between the G2 and GPro look extremely different?
[G2 General] aznmode:
Also to add. Ppsspp games run faster on the note 3 if you're into psp emulators. Might have something to do the 3gb ram. It's slow on the g2.
[G2 General] vegetaleb:
Ok so I went to samsung showroom to see the Note 3.

The salesman told me we can't turn it on :crying:

They will bring a demo model next week.

Anyway I hold it in my hand for 3 mins,the weight is crazy light but its because there was no battery inside.

Size wise it didn't give me the shock I had with the Note 2,perhaps because it's the white version,the Note 3 is very thin too,I tried to simulate one handed operations and it was not so bad :good:

The -1mm compared to Note 2 is surely helping though my fingers are long

The plastic false leather is very nice because it gives extreme grip.

So yes even off this phone is surprising
[G2 General] WilburNJ:
The "Auto Hide Soft Keys" app I see requires root. Did you root or does it work without root on the G2? Thanks!
[G2 General] IamPro:
Just root, its super ez and you'll be able to do a lot of customizing u wouldn't be able to do without it
[G2 General] barondebxl:
Not too much but there's a difference in size and you can tell. Still the G2 is better hands down.
[G2 General] somemadcaaant:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=46181577
[G2 General] mainstang:
So I have to admit I went to the dark side I got the note 3 and I'm really liking it so far. I do believe that the screen on the g2 is better as far as color reproduction. But I don't know if I could have dealt with on screen buttons or how well I would have liked pie etc. The best buy tech was nice enough to let me test out an att g2 vs note three camera. I can say I think the note 3 edged out shutter/AF speed over the g2. I don't know about low light but I got 15 days to decide.

Thanks everyone so far for all the input.
[G2 General] WPWoodJr:
I don't think the Note 3 camera can beat the G2 in low light just because of the OIS.

Sent from my Verizon LG G2
[G2 General] mainstang:
I don't think that it will. For my use the faster shutter speed maybe what I need. I have to say that the g2 takes better pictures when the subject is stationary.
[G2 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
I'm assuming folder enter and exit animations still have stutter on the Note 3? And overall UI lag?
[G2 General] WPWoodJr:
I checked out the Note 3 today and I must admit it is sweet, although the G2 looked small next to it. I especially liked the two window capability. That would be cool in the car you could run Google nav in one window and your music or podcast player in the other.

Does anyone know, can any app run in a dual window or is it limited to apps that Samsung has somehow blessed or modified?

Sent from my Verizon LG G2
[G2 General] Noam23:
So you chose the Note 3 over the G2 because of the Nav bar ??

There are many things you can do to solve the Nav bar taking screen space problem:

1. Use Auto hide Nav Bar.

2. Make the Nav bar smaller than stock (as small as you'd like).

3. Use gestures instead of a Nav bar (gestures are even more comfortable than dedicated keys).

4. Use PIE or similar solution.

There are so many solution, yet you didn't give the G2 even a chance... :crying:
[G2 General] shook187:
I got till the 13th to be able to return my G2 and swap it out for Note 3 with a $50 return fee. I'm still undecided if I should do it because I've owned a Note 2 before and it's size became a bit of a chore to carry around and I'm not a fan of AMOLED screens.

But with that said I'm also enjoying my time with the G2 and have been modding the UI slowly and it's starting to grow on me.

Now only if I could lower the size of the on screen keys or make them auto hide without using an app that would be killer.
[G2 General] eduardmc:
have both in my hand right now. NOTE 3 is the better phone. touchwiz run much smoother and looks less cartoony. everything is faster, i know both have the same processor but i guess touchwiz is better optimize. i'm in love with the LG G2 but i'm sorry to say it, Note 3 wins hand down.
[G2 General] Noam23:
I think you should try to hard reset your G2, since if you find such big differences in smoothness, something must be wrong. Yes the Note 3 is the faster device, but only by a small margin, nothing dramatic.
[G2 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Lol....
[G2 General] barondebxl:
You really dont like samsung uh?

I ordered the Note 3 but already kinda regret not going with the G2 first. If i'm not impressed by the Note 3 it'll be sold by the end of the week and i'll get a G2. Can't wait to have the N3 and have an objective opinion.