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[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] nabil2000:
con artists

Some of the guys at Tot Ct Rd will try on u these kinds of tricks. If u bought it on a credit card u can get in touch with ur credit card company, and ask them to revert the payment they made. If u are serious about it, it is doable. Just ask ur cc company the procedure to follow...

I buy my stuff over the internet on uk sites and it is mandatory for them to abide by the law.

I never had a problem returning goods to retailers though, u just need to show u are not wavering and getting a copy of the legislation could help, they dont have a choice they have to abide by it, I have no clue where to get a copy since as I said I never had a problem getting a refund provided the goods were returned in their original packaging...

As you wish dude...

Greetings
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
@ mackabi007:

Only from comments such as yours, but thanks for your oh so eloquent remarks!?!

I'm not enforcing anything, I'm giving the other side of an argument. If you can't deal with a two sided arguement, you should probably grow up a bit? (or am I being completely unreasonable by having a different opinion to you?!?)

Again, there are two sides to every arguement. If I wasn't here to point out that some people are actually happy with our devices, this would just be a thread full of miserable, bitter people moaning and whinging about what they wished the JasJar could do. Or is that what you wanted in the first place?

If I've hijacked a thread that was created solely for *****ing, then sorry, I'll go somewhere else!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
Well, my opinion of some of the people on this forum has plummeted. Fortunately, I've had a few PM's to cheer me up!...at least I know I'm not alone ;-)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mackaby007:
Sub69:SAME HERE! Ok Ok I heard ya already. Are we finished now? Don't take it so personal, we don't even know each other, we just don't agree,... so what? Life is too short. Back to problemsolving then? Good.

Nabil 2000: Thanks for that info. I was privy to that knowledge, but like yourself have not had to do it before. I did purchase on cc for exactly that reason. They call it double indemnity or something...I'll look into it. However, I'll only go and buy another Universal again, but on contract this time, so I get a bit more for my money (contract is running out this month anyway).

All said and done, I'll stick with the Universals in general as I know of nothing to compete with it on all levels, but at least with the next plunge, I'll know from personal experience that I'm not getting all that is promised on paper and therefore will not pay top dollar for it!

Anyway Universal has had me up too many nights. gotta get back to the real life. Cheers again peeps and you Sub69.

:wink:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] nabil2000:
video disappointment

dudes try and play an xvid or divx video using the universal. the pix quality is excellent, but every 4 seconds or so it puffs to carry on, breaking the smoothness.

I tried both on tcpmp and sd card, same problem.

The player I used (freeware) gives u the option to choose video driver: directdraw, intel xscale, raw framebuffer, and gdi. none of them give adequate performance.

this means the processor itself gets strangled and cannot cope with the heavy divx/xvid compression

(i remember being able to play them decently on a pentium 2 with 16 megs of video ram)...

i wonder if this is also a memory problem, ill try on my pda2k to compare...

cheers folks
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] nabil2000:
BA vs. Universal for divx video playback

hell folks, the Blue Angel runs high compressed videos far smoother by leaps and bounds, compared to the Universal... It is still not 100% perfect but it makes a video watchable....

I dont know if its the ati video chip in pda2k that is better than intel xscale or the extra ram, or a combination, but here is an older pda outperforming the next gen one, this is getting ridiculous, i cant believe this cr*p!!!!

I am not pleased as I am a video buff :(

they better get their act together or this pda venture is getting up in smoke!

and dont dare anyone insult my intelligence by telling me wait for the next rom, or it aint that bad kind of b*lls**t, because i want to FLAME HTC!!!!

and i am going to!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
Re: BA vs. Universal for divx video playback

OK, HERE WE GO, I SAID THAT BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN I SAID, TRY TO RUN A VIDEO, AND SEE!!

THAT'S WHY I SAID MY TREO 650 RUNS BETTER, I CAN SEE DIVX MOVIE ON THE TREO, WITHOUT PROBLEMS!! AND TREO IS ONLY 320 MHZ CPU!!

HERE IS THE MATTER:

I AM A SALES MANAGER, I WORK FOR A MULTINATIONAL IN THE SW, I FACE SITUATION LIKE THIS FROM TIME TO TIME, AS THE SW DOESN'T PERFORM PERFECTLY, AND WHAT WE DO?

WE START PUTTING A LOT OF ENGINEERS IN CREATING A PATCH, AND WE KEEP MONITORING WITH THE CUSTOMER, TO KEEP THEM QUITE AND HAPPY, TELLING THEM WHEN THE FIX WILL BE READY, BY EMAIL, BY PHONE, IN THE WORST CASE ON SITE!

WHAT IS MISERABLE, FOR SUCH A HIGH COST DEVICE, IS THE SUPPORT!

GIVE ME A SHOULDER TO CRY, UNTIL YOU SEND A PATCH, TELL ME YOU ARE WORKING ON IT, ANSWER TO MY EMAIL, DON'T LET ME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MESS, WITH NO ANSWERS!!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
As you know, i always agree with you, what some people don't understand, is, that keeping quite, and not complaining, or to please itself with an half way or beta release device, won't help you in receiving improvement:

technology is like that, it's getting better and better, WM5 is a brand new O.S., the improvement margin are huge, the variable is time: how long it takes to improve it?

This depend on the demand, we need to be demanding, saying everything is fine, when evidently can get better, won't help the fast improvement, why saying, is enough for me??

I am sure that when this claimed new rom, if that's true, will be delivered to SUB69, freeing garbage, and allowing him 20MB more, he will not say:

i WILL NOT INSTALL IT, BECAUSE I AM ALREADY HAPPY WITH MY UNIVERSAL, AS IT IS!!!!!!!!!!

dON'T YOU SUB 69????

We all(I guess, as I have already externate some doubts...) are on the same side, we are all customer, and we paid a lot of money, we want the universal, to be the top of the top, as promised!!!!!!!!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] nabil2000:
put pressure on i-mate

I put this on the i-mate club board under i-mate Windows Mobile Pocket PC:

dudes try and play an xvid or divx video using the universal. the pix quality is excellent, but every 4 seconds or so it puffs to carry on, breaking the smoothness.

I tried both on tcpmp and sd card, same problem.

The player I used (freeware) gives u the option to choose video driver: directdraw, intel xscale, raw framebuffer, and gdi. none of them give adequate performance.

this means the processor itself gets strangled and cannot cope with the heavy divx/xvid compression

(i remember being able to play them decently on a pentium 2 with 16 megs of video ram)...

i wonder if this is also a memory problem...

i then tried and played the same videos on pda2k, the pda2k runs high compressed videos far smoother by leaps and bounds, compared to the Jasjar... It is still not 100% perfect but it makes a video watchable....

I dont know if its the ati video chip in pda2k that is better than intel xscale or the extra ram, or a combination, but here is an older pda outperforming the next gen one, this is getting ridiculous, i cant believe this nonsense!!!!

I am not pleased as I am a video buff

Someone better get their act together or this pda venture is getting up in smoke!

I am really displeased with all the hype by i-mate before for the jasjar!!!!

How can u make a next gen pda that underperforms ur previous line of product, I don't know how u do business, but i am not impressed to waste money on your lack of foresight...

I wish I knew who your head of product management is, because I will flame him personally, he deserves to be sacked, hell him and all his management team!!! Mr Owner of i-mate, ur team is letting u down, and as I see ure floating urself on the stock-market, they will cost u!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
Re: put pressure on i-mate

Grest job, Nanbil, if they will ever listen, I am sure by the way, that if they want the Jasjar, to be succeding and popular, they will take action, the hope is, that with our beta tester help, they might speed up the tuning of the most powerfu device on the market(one day...)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
Jasjar update

I can't believe it!

I could talk with the support of I-mate for the first time!!!!!!

And the good news is that they are aware of the problem, and a new rom is coming soon, fixing the problem of memory, that obviously they admitted they were aware of!!!

Now...

Sub69, was I right?

Did I do my homework, or maybe you were the one who was the one of"a glass half full" is enough for me?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] nabil2000:
closing deals

Yeah obviously some of us are not used to closing deals, but the only way to get things done in business is to be persistent, precise and firm, and to kick where it hurts ie the money (and prestige) :D ...

I followed up the pressure by sending an email similar to the note in i-mate club support to the HTC headquarters in Taiwan (their PR Dept. who deal with their image in the market, and surely they dont want to be seen as a hitec company who do not deliver on their promises!) :wink:

and ty trendystyle for your comments...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mackaby007:
Stick it to 'em!

Hi all. Nice to see some momentum gaining behind the problems we're experiencing and that some of you are taking matters further than just talk. :oops:

nabil2000: I've had to purchase Hackmaster2005 to overclock my jasjar to play native 640x480 resolution vids and get rid of the jerks in video playback. Ridiculous! And then the jasjar locks up/bottoms out @624Mhz (that's just the first setting after the default 520Mhz it's supposed to run at!)

Anyway, it's good to hear from you and trendystyle that you've taken the fight to the right people, i-mate and in turn HTC. How come Microsoft keep getting away with so much though?

Anyway, another point is that we must stop fighting among one another in the forum. We are right in our pursuit for justice, but for those who have no main gripe with the universal, they're right from their experiences too. Truth be told, when we have serious issues like this one in future, we should put together some kind of joint letter, signed by all who share our dissapointment and complaints and forward it to those with the power/means to do something about it.

Well done and my utmost respect to those more articulate and in touch than myself who have taken the good fight to those who profit from us. I'll be happy to back any serious complaints anyone has about the universal to i-mate, HTC and or Microsoft. Just PM me and we'll take it from there. :D

After all, we didn't buy these things second hand or at knock-down prices and united ownership/members of i-mate products should empower us with a voice that should be heard. In court if necessary! :x
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
Of course I'll install a newer ROM, any improvement is always welcome. I'm not a 'glass half full' person. I'm afraid I'm far too analytical for that. I'm more of a 'that 300ml glass contains 150ml of water' person.

All I have ever said is that I'm happy with my device, it is exactly what I expected, I have absolutely no problems with the performance of my JasJar, and everyone who's been moaning about what the JasJar doesn't have, should have thought of that before they bought it!

Anyway, well done to the pair of you on your successful crusade. I'm glad the two of you persuaded i-mate to release another ROM. I doubt if they'd have bothered without that constant pressure ;-)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] nabil2000:
sub69 - feedback

Dude I have nothing against u...

Let me quickly tell u my story... I use Nokia a lot, so I got Nokia communicator 9500, it underperformed, so I sent it back and got my money back, which I used to get the jasjar, the jasjar far outperforms nokia 9500 on all fronts. That being said just think about the slogan used for the i-mate high end products, it does promise hi-tec, and believe u me, u can get a decent compact divx player that plays videos flawlessly, matter of fact I have one... the processor of the jasjar should be able to handle frame rates compressions of a divx nature, since it is a next gen product after the current pda in the market, it has to be more performant, they also hyped it to be more performant...

my initial issue was storage and usb hosting, and i took it for granted that video playing would be flawless...

however since there was complaints about video stuttering, i chose to test it ( i wont particularly use it to play videos, but i was curious), the quality of images is stunning, but the stuttering oh boy, what a mess...

one needs to respect one's hard earned cash, if u pay for top value u ought to get top value, and suppliers oem's will be nothing without the customer/client, just look at the stock exchange, every hiccup or even psychological misconception will lose a manufacturer share values in their port-folio...

they promise something, they got to deliver... or else they lose out in the long run... nothing to do with me, u, or anyone on this board, its just the way the market is, people buy what they want, and will do repeat purchases if they are satisfied... dont heed this and crumble (a case in mind is DEC where are they now? and Brother, Psion, etc...)

In fact we are doing them a favour by complaining... they should pay us really (a complaint/moaning fee lol)

my little piece of wisdom :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mniko:
Good to see people are getting together to go against i-mate and HTC.... Just like everyone else I to have filled with problems, Sure this device is in Beta test level and they are playing on us smart way...

If at all they really cared about their product or about their customers by this time they must have answered our questions least should have given some explanation or why they made it this way... but did anybody ever heard anything from the companies yet.. I dont think so.. so we need to make it bit harder to get them and make them to realize we are Suffering, worst part is we paid lots of money for putting our self in this ****...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
I think maybe if I experienced any of the issues you're all complaining about, I may take a different view on this whole subject. However, I have no problems playing videos, no problems with memory running out, even when doing some serious multitasking, and no problems with the general speed of the JasJar, which obviously leads me to believe that there's nothing wrong with the JasJar as a device (Unless I unknowingly have some sort of "Super JasJar" prototype!?)

I'm sure that future ROM's will only improve the performance of our devices, as has been the case with PPC's, Smartphones, and normal mobile phones for years, (with or without 'pressure' from the demanding users!) but the point is there's absolutely nothing wrong with the JasJar as it is. It's exactly what it promised to be, no more and no less, and turning round now to say that we should have been given more memory because it's technologically crippled makes it sound a lot like some people really didn't do their homework.

Ok, here's looking forward to the string of new and improved ROM's. Hopefully they'll deliver everything that people feel they've been 'conned' out of (though, somehow I seriously doubt it!).
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
Sub, I am sorry, but are you talking seriously, or you just like to go against everybody??

I told you that I-mate people ADMITTED THAT JASJAR HAS THOSE PROBLEM!!!!!!

AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOW THAT IS CLEAR AND DECLARED BY I-MATE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU KEEP ON GOING WITH YOUR PERSIONAL WAR, MAYBE YOU ARE NOT ENOUGH SKILLED, OR MAYBE YOU NEVER TRYED HIGH END DEVICES!

aGAIN, I-MATE SAID THEY ARE AWARE MEMORY AND PERFORMANCE ARE NOT AS EXPECTED, THE NAME OF THE GUY I WAS TALKING TO IS BRIAN.

UNDERSTOOD????? iS NOT ME, MACKABY OR NABIL, IT' BRIAN OF I-MATE SUPPORT!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
Wow, Loads of CAPS!?!

I'm absolutely serious. Like I said, I have no problems with the performance of my device. Videos working perfectly etc. (So in my particular case, I can say that Brian is wrong, 'cause it's exactly what I expected).

Of course, when the new ROM comes out (with or without a 128Mb RAM upgrade ;-)) I'm sure I'll be even happier!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
You are clueless, and a bad looser, you don't want to admit it, but the Manifacturer did admit!!

Do you think you understand more than I-mate????

Com back down to earth, you are loosing credibility!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
Lovely!

So you're calling me a liar then?

Cheers!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
Not a liar, someone very far from reality and objectivity:

Saying that someone from I-mate is wrong, because if not, you have to ad mit you were wrong, more than a liar you are ridicolous!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
Oh, that's much nicer, thanks.

Exactly what am I wrong about? I absolutely stand behind everything I've said.

I still have no problems with my JasJar. And I still received a product which was exactly what was advertised to me.

If you still want to call me a liar...sorry, I mean "more than a liar". Carry on...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
But did you went to school?

You undrstand what I write?

Or you just want to raise your numbers of post?

Justify the contrary of what I wrote:

Theory: we are not happy with memory and performance, you say you are

Action: I contact I-mate directly, I-mate say Jasjar need a new Rom, as they admit it doesnt' perform as it should and lack of memory available, for such a high end product

Solution: they will soon send out a new release

Your comment: they are wrong!

My comment on your comment: you are very far from reality and objectivity

Isn't that logical?????
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
Actually, I never said anyone was wrong! I said I have NO problems whatsoever with my JasJar...And you called me 'more than a liar'...

My entire participation in this thread has been based on the following principles:

1) The JasJar I received is exactly as advertised,

2) I am happy with it's performance, everything is working as expected,

3) People who are moaning about it obviously expected more than they should have done, considering the specifications.

It's point number 3 where we disagree. You apparently expected a lot more than I did. I (as I said earlier) am a realist, who saw the specs and as a result never expected this to be a massive technological leap forward (from the Blue Angel, etc). I guess you are an optimist, who did?

And if i-mate bring out a new ROM to address memory and performance issues, good for them (and you, of course). I'm afraid that doesn't alter the fact that I have no memory or performance problems, and it doesn't make me wrong for saying so.

Brian from i-mate can say that memory and performance is not as consumers expected. I say that in my case it's exactly what I expected...which is to say it's better than any other devices I've owned. So who's wrong? (To clarify, the answer is that no-one's wrong, we've just have different experiences)

Over to you to throw more abuse...?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
Right,now I got you, I believe you should have bought a nokia 6680, as you expectations are too low for the Jasjar
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
I'm afraid the 6680 isn't quite what I need. The JasJar does everything I require, and does it all better than my previous PPC phones, too.

Thanks for the intelligent suggestion though.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
Sorry, if the Jasjar as it is, meet your expectation, you don't need it!

Jasjar is for people who use it to the core, and you probably don't, as you are happy with this poor performances...

6680, does everything you need, and it's your exact solutions, without investing so much money!

Also, 6680 is much more stable than Jasjar
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] decebal:
actually this time you're overreacting. each person has the right to his opinion regarding money he spends. please calm down and leave it ....

actually 2 weeks ago i've sold the 6680 because it was not what i needed ...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
Look, I could sit here and list every single thing that I use my JasJar for (with absolutely no problems whatsoever) in order to try and make you understand, but I really can't be bothered.

You've clearly judged me already, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to change your mind.

Incidentally, as you brought it up...my workmate's Nokia 6680 has been back to the shop twice already.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mniko:
Hey Sub69... I think you should stop hijacking this thread...

This thread it completely for people who are not happy with jasjar, as someone already mentioned if you are happy then this thread is not for you...and now if you see you the one who started posting a lot...

We are glad to know i-mate got one happy customer, and I hope that remains same forever...

Now please let people to talk and let us know what people really feel about their universal...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] sub69:
OK.

Sorry, got carried away responding to the unnecessary abuse...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] trendystyle:
Sorry, it was out of tread, and I got I-mate support with me, high end gadget newbie
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] nabil2000:
again sub69

on videos

can u be more specific which videos u used and which compression: was it mpeg, mpeg2, divx, mpeg4, xvid, h263?

unless u might be just talking about shots u took urself, then played them back on the unit...

i prefer we stick to the facts as they say: the devil is in the details...

however believe me, the jasjar stutters on videos of type divx and xvid...

i have not tried mpeg, mpeg2 and h263...

so unless u are specific we cannot communicate...

if u now tell me that ur unit plays divx flawlessly i will be happy to exchange mine for urs and u can exchange mine from i-mate for me :grin: (bad joke)...

chill out dudes...

tell u what, i am really really a video buff, it is my hobby, and i do not hallucinate, the jasjar does not handle high compression videos period...

if it is a next gen pda device, it must, as most new compact video devices now do cater for such video compressions, otherwise call it a middle of the road pda, and sell it at a reasonable price, which is the third or the half tops of the value of what we spent...

oki...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mniko:
Well... Seriously why do we need to compromise ourself even after paying big money for this device... since almost all the customers are unhappy (except sub69) with their device then there is some serious problem in it, then why don’t we make HTC & M$ to do that....

We are not here to rob someone nor let some one else to rob us... Since we did paid already, all we want is the thing which they promised that’s all...

So I would say we stick together and try to get some heads from i-mate HTC to answer us...

I dont know what others say about it... Its just my opinion.