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[Droid Ultra General] kitcostantino:
been at work and then my 198,000 mile RSX died on me. lol now im home, and i can say teerout is point ing you in the right direction. the moto site may not have all variants of firmware availible, though. did you take any updates at all, or is the phone still on the out of box firmware, as far as drivers, you can get them from the moto site as teerout suggested. heres a pro tip, though, see if you can enter any recovery and erase (wipe) internal storage. this same bootloop happened to me today on my turbo after fxz and ota updates. wiped data, booted right up. sucked to lose everything, but booting instead of brick is worth it sometimes. if you took no updates at all, the other thing to do is to get back to bootloader (fastboot mode) and start in safe mode. this disables any non-factory apps. if all you did was install a few apps and play a game, i imagine an incompatibility with those applications is the culprit. personally, i tend to think this unlikely, but if you know 100% (as i believe you do) that no update has been applied, it only makes sense. a fresh out of box, factory state droid maxx dev edition is highly unlikely to brick without influence. safe mode will allow you to rule this out. and save you from wiping data. if you dont have anything you care about data wise on the phone (its new, after all) reflash your factory recovery or twrp and wipe internal storage. should boot if i understand all elements of the equation. lmk how i can help.

UPDATE- Looking at your screenshot again, you are definately on the right bootloader for 4.2.2. worst case scenario *should* be data wipe. i still bet safe mode will allow you to boot and uninstall any apps you installed. hope this helps, man.

also, who wouldve thought vzw would be usefull: http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/knowledge-base-83030/
[Droid Ultra General] Maleko48:
I have an unlocked bootloader droid maxx (VZW) dev edition myself that was on the stock debloated 4.4.4 SU 21.11.21 with TWRP 2.8.1.0 ghost recovery working great. I actually just upgraded to 5.1.1 Dirty Unicorn 9.8 and everything is still good, just thought I'd mention a confirmed combination of something that works.

My recommendation would be to flash the "1FF-obakem_verizon-user-4.4.4-SU5-24-release-keys.xml.zip" FXZ w/RSDlite v6.1.6 and use TWRP 2.8.1.0 ghost recovery to install stock debloated 444 ROM and go from there.

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I have an unlocked bootloader droid maxx (VZW) dev edition myself that was on the stock debloated 4.4.4 SU 21.11.21 with TWRP 2.8.1.0 ghost recovery working great. I actually just upgraded to 5.1.1 Dirty Unicorn 9.8 and everything is still good, just thought I'd mention a confirmed combination of something that works.

My recommendation would be to flash the "1FF-obakem_verizon-user-4.4.4-SU5-24-release-keys.xml.zip" FXZ w/RSDlite v6.1.6 and use TWRP 2.8.1.0 ghost recovery to install stock debloated 444 ROM and go from there.
[Droid Ultra General] TEPEM:
The end of epic owning DE device for me, guys. If interested - you can read it here.

Thanks everyone for help and suggestions and good luck!
[Droid Ultra General] sean67854:
That might be what I mean and I don't know it. On my GNex if I run into an app that won'trun on a rooted device, I can usually just disable SuperSU and that allows the app to run. Does it work the same way on the Maxx?
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
How's that coming along? I saw your earlier post about trying to get the capacitive buttons working. It doesn't look like you're getting much help here, although I would think the posted source code would help.

I wish I could help, but I really wouldn't know where to start.
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
I've had some family things come up so I haven't even tried tbh
[Droid Ultra General] rowland007:
Should
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
Who here got a Developer Edition? In hindsight do you think it was worth it to spend the extra money to get a DE phone rather than the consumer-level, subsidized Maxx? If so, I'd be curious to hear why.

It's not looking like we're likely to see much in the way of development on this model. I imagine someone will eventually port 4.3 to to the Maxx DE, but most development in the future will likely be for SafeStrap. It's great that Moto X ROMs should run mostly unmodified (except for whatever it takes to get the capacitive buttons working), but if almost no one actually has a Maxx DE then no one is going to do it.

My reason for considering a Maxx DE would be run new versions of Android before Motorola and Verizon release their versions. Unless there's something I'm not see or understanding, it's probably not a very safe assumption to think there's going to be much activity 12-18 months from now.

My Galaxy Nexus is running better than ever, thanks to Shiny's new 4.3.1 ROM. It ran pretty poor under 4.3, and bluetooth was unstable under 4.2.2, but these issues have been addressed in the last update. So, I'm not in a huge hurry to upgrade, except that I'm alternatively considering an HTC One. Now that s-off has been achieved, the HTC One will likely have a pretty active community for quite a while. But, I'm expecting Verizon and HTC to patch the vulnerability before they push out Android 4.3 (which is supposed to happen before the end of the month). I'd hate to lose the battery life of the Maxx, though.
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
Well situation looks like I'm gonna get the Maxx (Developer Edition ofc) because I'll need Verizon & battery life under 4G (pity that Droid 4 sux here). So I'll eventually sometime take a look to get CM10.x on it (currently maintaining Photon Q CM10.x).
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
Awesome to hear. Honestly if you want to work on a mini project... The Moto X 4.3 leak runs fine on the Maxx except that the capacitive keys do not work.
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
That will either be bad devtree (although that seemed to be shared) or bad config in framework (more likely as X has navbar).
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
Dhacker was thinking framework as well but as this isn't a device he works on...
[Droid Ultra General] sadboyzz:
Motorola return policy?

Has anyone returned a phone purchased from the Motorola online store? I'm about to buy a Droid Maxx Dev but I can't find their return policy anywhere. Thanks.
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
They told me 30 days when I live chatted with Motorola support a few days ago, which is backed up by this page.
[Droid Ultra General] sadboyzz:
Ah, cool, thanks!:good:
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
I'm still thinking about it, but the price drop on the consumer edition makes it that much harder to justify spending the $650.
[Droid Ultra General] Gundabolu SC:
Hey guys was wondering if we should just form a small Dev team and work on getting basic stock based ROMs and probably CM, MIUI or AOKP some day...?! I am sure we don't have some extra ordinary Dev skills but am sure with some help from GOOGLE searches and from Moto X devs we can make progress?! Hurts to see the Dev section empty!! :(

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As a start I was trying to port MIUI.. based on stock ROM, its a tedious task and is gonna take loads and loads of time!! But as it is already close to AOSP and adding the right framework components will let us enjoy the elegance of the MIUI ROM as well as the stability and Active Notifications and Touch less control of the STOCK ROM at the same time! I am just not able to build back the kernel using ANDROID KITCHEN TOOL to move further...
[Droid Ultra General] sadboyzz:
As you said the biggest obstacles to porting ROMs are developer time and manpower, roughly proportionate to phone popularity, which seems surprisingly lacking for this line of very good phones. Unfortunately the upcoming Nexus 5 is just going to make the situation worse, so I'm not holding my hopes up for anything. Personally I want this phone just for the battery alone ;)
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
On the bright side, once someone figures out how to deal with the capacitive buttons it should be fairly trivial to modify/use the Moto X ROMs.
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
Yup.
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
Well not gonna get the Droid MAXX, because Verizon requires plans only for 2-years (mainly no way how to get around the deposit, that would not be returned under early termination). So gotta try AT&T.
[Droid Ultra General] Gundabolu SC:
Noooooo!! :'(
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
If you're buying the dev edition you're buying the phone outright. You can go month to month without a contract on VZW. The 2 year is only for subsidized devices. And for the record the MAXX dev edition works perfectly on ATT if you have to go that route ;)
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
The guy at Verizon store said that it's not possible that way, 2 year activation required.
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
The idiot wants you to sign a contract bc he gets no commission if you don't. Pretty sure you can even just do it online. I'd you go into a store tell them you want to sign up for month to month without a contract and you're supplying your own device.
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
Well he told me that I better check also with the other carriers and there's no way on how to get on a 4G plan with month-to-month contract (also I'd be a new customer). Or well, the problem was the security deposit, that would not be refunded.
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
The only reason you would have a security deposit is if you had bad/no credit history. If you're having issues with it just call customer service. The phone people aren't on commission and won't give you a hassle about activating a device without a contract.

You can definitely activate your own share everything plan on a month-to-month plan. There's even a link at http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/nso/enterDeviceId.do just scroll down a bit. There's a SIM pre-installed in the Dev Edition phones that you can use to activate it there.
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
I don't know if they knowingly lie to try to get folks to sign contracts or if they're just incompetent, but the reps in stores are terrible. The folks on the phone are better.

Not all carriers will let you activate a new account without a contract (Sprint won't), but Verizon will. That's been the case for several years now. I'd be a little (but not a lot) surprised if a corporate store told you otherwise, although I really wouldn't be surprised if an authorized retailer told you that. I don't think they make much money unless you sign a contract, so they have very little incentive to sell you a phone. Of course, you wouldn't have been buying a phone from them anyway, if you were looking to get a Developer Edition.

Anyway, if you don't want to go Verizon anymore that's entirely your call, but I'm pretty sure you were misled.
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
Worst case you still buy the MAXX and throw an ATT SIM in it :P
[Droid Ultra General] Gundabolu SC:
Buy the Maxxx!! :p
[Droid Ultra General] bwheelies:
The store I bought my phone from was clueless about the installment plan. I needed to use that to avoid breaking my unlimited data.
[Droid Ultra General] SymbioticGenius:
Are you planning on keeping the Maxx or just using it to develop?
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
I wrote it incorrectly, sorry. To get a 4G plan (required for 4G device), you need to pay the security deposit ($400 in my case), and that is refunded after 6 - 12 months (and I'm here only for 3 months, so it wouldn't be refunded). I specially asked about the dev. edition and he told me that it would still need the deposit, regardless of month-to-month plan or 2-year contract.

All the prepaid devices are 3G only - that's the thing.
[Droid Ultra General] SymbioticGenius:
Ok so your issue isn't so much getting the phone but getting the plan hmmm
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
Ahh, OK. While that's more plausible, I still strongly suspect what you were told isn't quite right. The deposit is there to cover Verizon if you stop paying your bill. Usually they'll refund it to you after a year if you pay your bill on time. If you cancel service, they (should) refund the full amount, minus your remaining balance. It might take a while to get it, though.
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
And again. Worst case the device can be used on att and Tmobile without any special unlock anyway. I'd still call vzw just to confirm that deposit though.
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
Well I did that and just got told that in case of month-to-month contract it would be refunded at the end. God what a mess.
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
Yeah, I certainly understand your frustration. It sounds like you're new the US. Unfortunately, all I can say is "get used to it." I've had very similar problems with AT&T, Sprint, Verizon and Comcast.

One thing to keep in mind, though, is what you're doing is a fairly exceptional case. How many people in the US buy a phone outright on a new line, go month-to-month, and plan to cancel service in a short period of time? I doubt the Verizon representative from the store ever had to deal with that question before. Rather than just admitting that they don't know the answer, it almost seems like cultural thing to just try to make the best guess they can given what they know. That's probably how they got to the initial answer that you wouldn't be refunded the money unless you kept service- because ordinarily, you'd expect to get your deposit refunded after 12 months if you kept service. Also, you have to remember that once you said you weren't going to sign a contract, that rep knew he/she wasn't going to make any money on you. That gives them very little incentive to research the answer to your question or ask a manager.

Do you think you'll end up buying a Maxx Developer Edition now?
[Droid Ultra General] SymbioticGenius:
Hmmm I'm confused what exactly does he intend to do?
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
My understanding is that he's in the US temporarily. He's thinking about buying a Maxx DE, and going month-to-month on Verizon. He doesn't have much of a credit history, so Verizon will make him put down a $400 deposit in order to get service. In a new months he'll go back to Europe, so he'll cancel his Verizon service (and wait for them to refund his deposit), and then use the Maxx on a GSM carrier in Europe.

A few of us have an interest in this, since we'd like to see some ROM developers work on the Maxx DE.
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
reggie14 poited it out pretty much. I'm in US for 3 month and yes, I figured it's exceptional case. Went to the store again just to recheck it, and the manager said it's that way that their system is not built to handle these cases (and told me to check with other carriers). AT&T is a bit better, since they're a GSM carrier, there isn't a strict bind between phone & plan. You can get the Moto X your own way (Dev. Edition or from e-bay) and get the prepaid service on it. In case of Verizon, 4G phone => 4G plan => $400 deposit. The problem isn't that deposit itself, it's that it won't be refunded (making the phone cost $1,050 instead of $650).

Then again, it's likely that the Droid MAXX, even Developer Edition, will be locked for other US carriers (usual policy, my Photon Q was locked even for roaming on them (haxxored that :) ) ).

I'm in US for intern, so I won't have much time (so expect smth like AOSP ROM support ala device tree for CM & recovery port, probably TWRP; if I end up buying Droid MAXX).

Oh btw. in CZ it's quite different: it's not allowed for carriers to lock their phones and the subsidies for 2-year / 1-year plans are heavily dependant on your plan and not that much at all. We also don't have the deposits anymore, so you can really enable the "top end plan" for a month and terminate it the next day (for one month service in total) with no extra cost.
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
To go back to what I said earlier. This device is usable on VZW/ATT/T-Mobile without any hackery/modification. It was part of the VZW block C agreement. All the new VZW phones are carrier unlocked for GSM carriers just like CZ. I've personally tested T-Mobile and AT&T SIMs in this device and they work fine. With the AWS radio update coming shortly, LTE on those networks should be available as well. HSPA+ works as of right now.
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
Didn't the Verizon representative on the phone confirm that the deposit would be refunded if you canceled service?

By the way, as arcanexvi said, the Droid Maxx can be activated on other networks. Droid-Life covered this a while ago, and there are folks in this forum using the new Droids on other networks.
[Droid Ultra General] SymbioticGenius:
Verizon definitely has prepaid plans. Not 100% on the particulars but they are on the website. If for some reason that's not an option. I would be the Dev edition outright and walk right into a T-Mobile store and get their unlimited plan. They advertise no contracts and bring your own phone stuff. Shouldn't be any kind of fees just maybe sim card and first months payment if that.
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
Verizon's prepaid plans, from what I understand, don't offer LTE data, and their 3G speeds are terrible.

The T-mobile route wouldn't be terrible, except then you're stuck with T-mobile. He'd probably want to go with a pre-paid plan in that case, to avoid issues with a deposit with T-mboile. But, Skrilax_CZ seems to want Verizon, presumably for coverage reasons.

Anyways, I still think his original plan would work fine: buy the Maxx DE outright, activate it on a Verizon month-to-month plan (paying the $400 deposit), cancel after 3 months and get the deposit refunded.
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
As far as I'm aware, VZW still doesn't allow 4G devices on prepaid plans.

I'd lean this route. If the refundable deposit isn't possible then I'd go to TMO with the device.
[Droid Ultra General] opt05:
Here you go; https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/24817

EDIT: My bad, old post showed as recent... :o
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
Ordered myself Droid MAXX Developer Edition :)
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
Excellent choice, sir. :)
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
Excellent to hear.
[Droid Ultra General] AjStone:
Agreed! I have one as well. Great choice!
[Droid Ultra General] AreOh:
I see no development for this device, what's the benefit of having the developer edition? This is a first for me to have a phone where the development section is ... nonexistent.
[Droid Ultra General] doogald:
The phone is already close to stock. However, at some point in the next two years, it's possible that official development will stall and there will be a version of Android released that the phone could run, and that's when you might want a phone where the kernel can be updated, etc.
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
I know what you mean. It's great news that Skrilax_CZ is picking up a Maxx DE and intends to port CM to it, but personally I'd need to see some more activity to justify spending an extra $450 to get the DE.

That being said, besides the possibility of future development, having the dev edition does get you the immediate and on-going benefit of being able to easily root it. And you can apparently run the custom recoveries developed for the Moto X.

I'm hanging out a little longer, waiting to see Google announces with Android 4.4 and the Nexus 5. I know the odds are practically zero, but maybe Google will surprise us all and release a Nexus 5 on Verizon under the open network provisions. That hasn't exactly worked out well with the Nexus 7 LTE, but maybe they were expecting it to go smoother. I realize I shouldn't get my hopes up. Alternatively, maybe they'll announce something so good that I'll drop VZW for AT&T.
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
The Droid MAXX DE will share development with Moto X (the platforms are very similar), just with a slightly different configuration (shared kernel etc.). It was done the same way with Razr HD, Photon Q, Atrix HD (more differences among those) - they share kernel, most of the proprietaries; only a specific portion is really phone specific. We also want to share many of the files with the MSM8960 family (Razr HD, Photon Q, Atrix HD etc.) with the MSM8960DT family (Droid MAXX, Moto X). Unlocked bootloader required ofc.

So what to expect is CM port, and if someone makes derivative work from AOSP (other roms), than is likely too, because it gets built for the entire tree.
[Droid Ultra General] AjStone:
Easily root the DE? I didn't know this was true. I just thought it had an unlockable bootloader.

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[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
Lol ... when you have unlocked bootloader, you don't have to worry about root ;)

Just root via custom recovery flashed via fastboot.
[Droid Ultra General] Gundabolu SC:
When u have an unlocked bootloader u can almost do ANYTHING to your phone! ;) A custom recovery can help you flash a root zip or usually custom recoveries have options to automatically root your device as well!

Excited about a CM10.2 for the Maxx!! I really really really Want to try out MIUIv5!! :’D
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
Honestly I'm stumped on getting the capacitive keys working on the Tmobile 4.3 engineering build so I'll just be grateful for a second set of eyes.
[Droid Ultra General] Skrilax_CZ:
It's taking them ages to ship it. Ordered it late Tuesday (PST) and still says "not shipped".
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
It probably shipped but hasn't updated. Mine didn't show shipped until the day before I got it.
[Droid Ultra General] AjStone:
But you still have to go through the Motorola unlock process that you enter your serial and void the warranty right?

* Sent via Motorola Droid MAXX *

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Agreed. Mine didn't say shipped until the day after it was in my hands. I was like "WTF is this box?"

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[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
I don't have a Maxx DE, but you should be able to unlock using the "fastboot oem unlock" command. Can someone firm that works?

Motorola does say you void your warranty by unlocking, although I'm not sure how strictly they enforce it. I think I can relock my Nexus without leaving any sign it was unlocked. But, Motorola uses qfuses in their phones. They might blow a fuse when you unlock.

By the way, I just noticed the Maxx DE is sold out on the Motorola website. Do you think they'll restock it?

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Probably wishful thinking, but a VP at Motorola asked folks on Google Plus what they would do to help out developers. Maybe he'd be willing to put you in touch with someone that could help out.
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
Unlock command will not work on non-DE devices since you will not be able to obtain the impossibly difficult to crack unlock code. They will restock it shortly.

We have developers around that could do the smali code modifications to framework to get it working, I'm just not familiar with that kind of code.

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Yes. Bootloader unlock would be required which voids your warranty but that's the whole point of the DE device. :P
[Droid Ultra General] reggie14:
That's the weird thing, though. As a DE device, they should expect people to unlock. It seems kind of sleazy to refuse to stand behind their warranty in that case.
[Droid Ultra General] arcanexvi:
There are things that you can do to an unlocked device that can physically harm it and/or make it unrecoverable. That's like saying you bought a brand new <Insert car brand here> and installed a whole new sound system and dropped a new engine in but when the speakers blew your inadequate alternator and your engine torqued the chassis and damaged it that you want <car brand> to cover it for free.