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[TouchPad Development] marcustaz:
Milaq forgive me if this has been addressed but will TWRP be updated so it can see the Data/Emulated partition. For me using CWM is not an issue but for family members TWRP was automated which made updating a breeze. Anyone else with useful information please feel free to address my question as well.

I'm pretty sure I can change the dl path of goomanager back to the sdcard1 (media) partition but my concern there is the partition has been neutered in size so much so that it will fill up quickly unless I have them purge the folder, again really beyond their scope.

BTW: Tailor was a breeze and tab is so much smoother, even seems like it boots faster. Thanks again!

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I have not had any issues with Web OS side except for a warning about the drive filling up. To address this I just dumped all the old apps I do not use. The great thing about Tailor is you can make the media partition whatever size you choose. Now I know you know this! :)
[TouchPad Development] shumash:
Based on this information, TWRP already works with datamedia.
[TouchPad Development] RolandDeschain79:
TWRP

Thanks Shumash, ran out of thanks already today;) It certainly sounds like it works but TWRP users should be aware of this bit at the bottom.

"Another "feature" of 4.2 is that when you "update" to 4.2 it may attempt to upgrade your /data/media to multi-user. If you're running an older version of TWRP than 2.3.2.0 or newer, a factory reset may trigger multiple upgrades, causing your "sdcard" to get moved to /data/media/0 then /data/media/0/0 and then /data/media/0/0/0 and so on depending on how many times you "upgraded". This may cause backups to not be visible in TWRP. Also, there currently isn't a good way to go back to a 4.1 ROM after using a 4.2 ROM without having to manually move your files around."
[TouchPad Development] marcustaz:
Maybe I'm not understanding you or my point is being missed. Before 4.2 I could use goomanager to DL a nightly and then select flash, and the tab would auto reboot into TWRP and auto flash and reboot. Now since the 4.2 Fresh install TWRP will not "see" the emulated data drive at path storage/0/emulated/goomanager . So I must change goomanager settings to storage/sdcard1/goomanager so that TWRP can "see" the ROM nightly file and auto flash like before . My issue now is my sdcard1 (media partition) is so small, 500mb approx it will fill up very quickly unless I make sure I purge the nightly update roms each time . So again my dilemma...

Feel free to elaborate on your point, it may help us less knowledgeable. :)
[TouchPad Development] gradular:
The touchpad version of TWRP is not seeing the data partition, just the sd card.

You can make the media partition whatever size you want. I made it 6 gigs to hold my backups and webos files. Still leaves 17 gigs or so for data and files
[TouchPad Development] marcustaz:
Indeed, I was thinking of increasing it for this purpose. I'm just wondering if TWRP will be updated to address this?
[TouchPad Development] nevertells2:
I doubt it. They produce TWRP for a lot of different devices and I doubt they are going to make a special version just for one device with a unique situation. However, would not bother me if they proved me wrong.

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Anyone want to take a stab at explaining what data media CWM does that the regular CWM does not? What happens if one installs this Rom using the regular CWM? Do the latest versions of TWRP perform the same functions as data media CWM when installing this Rom?
[TouchPad Development] jsgraphicart:
I'm confused now. Is data/media only for apps? I tried moving some files there and I got the message saying im running low on space. Im not sure where I should put files now.
[TouchPad Development] rob_z11:
How much space you have and what were you moving there?

It is just space where this 4.3 ROM looks for installation of application.

I am running 4.3 ROM on my note2 and it created folder 0 to create 4.3 filesystem underneath.

I am just happy that I can bump up my data space to close to 3 gig to store apps. Every time you install factory fresh 4.3 rom, it wipes entire folder structure.

Just save stuffy on sdcard1 if you want yo save when you do factory wipe.

Imagine this as my documents in windows. Every user gets their own library of pics, music and video as well as download. I think this was by design to support multiuser.
[TouchPad Development] milaq:
- accessing the emulated sdcard

- keeping /data/media (emulated sdcard) intact when doing factory wipe

the datamedia cwm i posted does it this way.

the older CWM and current version of twrp doesnt - it will wipe your emulated sdcard storage when doing a factory reset.

so, as in first post:
[TouchPad Development] jerryatherton:
Milaq, I'm a noob but doesn't every device have to have their own customization to CWM. Seems like that on my other devices
[TouchPad Development] jsgraphicart:
Well I changed the Android system to have 500MB instead of the 400MB we had. That was what was recommended, so I did it. After flashing the new recovery, it created the data/media storage location. I am used to this setup since I have a Galaxy Nexus, only on my Galaxy Nexus, the two data/media and storage/sdcard are the same exact storage that just link together from two places. But with the TouchPad, I now have data/media as well as a separate storage/sdcard1 that dont link together at all. All the stuff I had on my internal storage (personal files, game data, etc.) is still in storage/sdcard1. In data/media, it looks like it created a fresh set of folders that are created by default by android. From what I understand, data/media is now the default location for android to download stuff to, store things and look for and read data from. So why wouldnt it make sense to be able to move all my storage content over to that location. I am guessing that data/media is not meant for all my big files since I only moved a few comic book files over and got the notification that my storage was running low. But if thats the case, what is the point of having data/media be the default location that android uses for everything. Unless I partitioned things wrong. But I think I did what was recommended. I guess I could just leave my personal files where they are and try just moving android data over. But personally, if I cant have all my stuff in one location, I dont see the point of data/media.

EDIT: I re-read your comment. My problem could be that I didnt wipe data after flashing the new recovery. Are you saying that if I did a data wipe, it would wipe the file structure and put everything where it needs to go without deleting my stuff?
[TouchPad Development] shumash:
That's because you have to manually mount it using TWRP advanced options.
[TouchPad Development] Mchasard:
Is theree a way to return to the original size of Android partition modify under tailor without losing data? ... 600 to 400

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[TouchPad Development] MAGIo18:
I did it..., but

Now I still have the MoBoot 0.35 Bootmenu, if I boot up to CM 10.2 it is working fine; but if I start HP Web OS I just have about 200MB of free space, what isn't enough for me. Did I also resize WebOS' part size with Tailor?

How can I make it bigger? On which partition did I install the new CM10.2, where was HP WebOS installed?
[TouchPad Development] gradular:
Web os data is installed to the usb media partition (which is the sd card in any andriod rom). Andriod data is installed to the cm-data partition.

As I said before you can make the usb media partition whatever size you want. If you don't use webos AT ALL, make it as small as possible. If you intend to use the external sd card for some data such as backups, media, give it 4-8 gigs based on you use. Anything stored on the external card in andriod will also be available to webos.
[TouchPad Development] marcustaz:
Interesting, I really tried to do this but failed several times. What am I missing? Not to be spoon fed here but I tried mounting in advanced etc and I cannot see the partition. I tried every single folder to no avail but I will try try again this evening. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. :good:
[TouchPad Development] murso74:
woof... totally borked my TP trying to change the partition sizes. webOS doctor got stuck at 12% and now i just have the triangle with the explaination point. think its time to go get one of those new kindles
[TouchPad Development] Silencer96:
I didn't even change the partitions. Heck, I didn't even do a full wipe; a dirty flash over CM10.1 seemed to do the trick just fine!
[TouchPad Development] nevertells2:
Using which recovery? CWM, TWRP, or data media CWM?
[TouchPad Development] Silencer96:
The CWM in the OP.
[TouchPad Development] murso74:
damn i love the internet... looks like playing with novaterm webosdoctor working
[Xperia Z1 General] dw1llow:
My Z1 will be arriving mid next week, and for the past week I have been questioning my decision. Now I am seriously considering selling the phone unopened on eBay and await for the next Sony release. For some of you, it could be an easy decision, but for me, considering I won't be upgrading my phone for at least 2+ years, I really need to make a sound decision.

So I'll break down the Pros and Cons here, and maybe you guys can persuade me one way or the other:

Pros

- It's a Sony ;)

- Quality build & design

- Waterproof

- Flagship specs

- 20MP Camera, obviously!

Cons

- Lose all Sony software-emulated features (like BIONZ, SteadyShot, X-Reality etc) when installing custom ROMs or even for just unlocking the bootloader (installing custom ROMs is important for me cus I will be using this device for a long time).

- Absolutely disgusting screen. Yes. I'm not saying this based on pre-production rumours. I have seen the latest reviews based on retail releases. It's crap. Don't even try to defend it. Period. And this is a real deal-breaker as screen is the most looked-at, most used, and most critical part of a smartphone.

- Shatter-resistant film applied over scratch-resistant screen. WTF Sony?!? The TOP surface SHOULD BE scratch-resistant!! Not on the second layer!! Then what dafuq is the point!!!

- To overcome the above Con, removing the scratch-prone shatter-resistant film also removes the following:

* Sony logo

* Warranty

- The above two Cons will force me to apply third party anti-scratch film, which I hate! It will further dampen the already bad screen and decrease touch sensitivity.

- Why Sony, why no Gorilla Glass?!? I've been using a phone with Gorilla Glass 2 for the past 3 years, and I put my phone in my pocket with all the junks like keys and coins, and not a SINGLE scratch!! How the heck is Z1 going to survive 1 day in my pocket????

- That bezel :(

- Z2. Why are we hearing about Z2 rumours already?? If Sony announces Z2 with IGZO Triluminos display at 2014 Jan CES, and I'm stuck with staring at the garbage Z1 screen for the next 2 years, I'm going to kill my self!

You see the dilemma I'm dealing with here. I'm leaning towards selling the Z1 and await 2014 CES.
[Xperia Z1 General] jos_031:
sony glass below the shatter film is scratch resistant. shatter film is not scratch resistant. the glass do not have oleophobic coating...dragon trail is supposed to be more scratch resistant than gorilla glass. and sony updates flagship every 6 months.. and you will hear next big thing always ...
[Xperia Z1 General] expertzero1:
there is a thread about keeping preorders or not already :(. The decision is all up to you.
[Xperia Z1 General] dw1llow:
That's my point. Why put scratch resistance layer below??? It should be right at the top!

I understand Sony flagships update every 6 months. And there will always be better phones releasing every cycle. But my point is there are devices that are considered "milestones", meaning that purchasing such phones won't make you regret pulling the trigger and not wait for the next release.

This is the aspect why I envy other manufacturers like Samsung and HTC. All Samsung Galaxy S series from S2 onwards are so refined in terms of hardware, there's no problem upgrading every 2nd-gen. HTC One is also a milestone device, and there will be no regrets skipping HTC Two if you own an One. Sony seems like they are "experimenting" with us and release devices at a rapid fire that always have at least one major fault.

Z2 I think no doubt will be a milestone device, if and only if they use a proper display. Z1 is only one step away from this, and I'm not willing to be stuck with it for the next 2+ years.

Sorry, I thought that thread was for UK only.. well. looks like I'll be skipping Z1.
[Xperia Z1 General] Tizza:
I understand your dilemma 100%. I'm like you: Research like crazy so I have a phone (or any other product) that will last me a good while (i.e. 2+ years, as you yourself said). My philosophy has always been to spend a few extra dollars initially to have the best, as I will be happier with it for longer, and with fewer upgrades (deemed) necessary, it'll be cheaper in the long run. That's what I did 2.5 years ago, when I settled with the Galaxy S2 - and I'm still using it today.

With an aging phone and some problems arising both from software and hardware, I've been hunting hard for a new phone. On top of that, I'm after a proper dedicated camera. Here comes along the dazzling Z1, and wow... Seems to disappoint - even if it turns out to be decent. Because decent just isn't good enough when you are investing in a device for the long-term.

Anyway, I haven't pre-ordered (yet), and I'm glad I held back (- although I came so close to doing so at one point). I don't like making such a big purchase where there's just too much confusion going around, which I guess should be a sign already to stay away from it. After all, a superb device does not draw such conflicting reviews; all are glowingly positive, even if its shine is reflected in varying measures from review to review.

There's something in me, though, that still wants to give it a fair go - but perhaps this is just wishful thinking on my part. I had banked so much interest in this phone that I felt like it was already going to be my upgrade, even though I act with caution and do not make a move without being informed and holding excellent confidence that it's the right choice. (I also cannot see anything else currently on the market which grabs my attention, and I'm not entirely sure that my S2 will hold up for another six months.) In saying that, then, I'm waiting for GSMArena and PhoneArena to contribute their critique, as well as having a feel for the device myself, firsthand.

Yes, I know you're utterly convinced that the screen is rubbish, but I just don't feel I have adequate evidence to accept that claim yet. You might well be correct, of course - and if you are I'd definitely say sell the thing (and I likewise won't be bothering with it). However, it sounds to me that you're making your judgement based on reviews alone, and I think it would be best to test the phone (at least a demo one) for yourself before you make your decision. After all, you'd be the one using it, and it would give you peace of mind knowing it was without a doubt no good if and when you do get rid of it.
[Xperia Z1 General] dibdin:
Head on the screen on the Z1 is nothing short of impressive. Though like I have said on other threads, if viewing angles bother you then maybe this isn't the phone for you. Don't get me wrong viewing angles are not bad at all, but they are certainly not up to the standard of the htc One.
[Xperia Z1 General] shem2409:
For the most part your Pros and Cons is right but there are some misconceptions in your list.

SCREEN SHATTER PROTECTOR

First of all I have spoken to a representative in the Sony Center and he told me that the shutter protector with Sony logo is in fact replacable and it does NOT void the warranty. Apparently that is just a rumour that is spread around.

BOOTLOADER UNLOCKING

When it comes to bootloader unlocking and custom Roms it is true except you can use custom Roms build around the stock firmware and without changing the kernel without the need to unlock the bootloader. The ROMs build around stock usually provide a lot of improvements but of course without unlocking the bootloader AOSP, CM and such are out of the question.

Unlocking bootloader does not mean permanently loosing BE, X-reality and so on as long as you backup your TA keys. So you can always revert back to stock based firmware and revive your X-reality etc.

GLASS TECHNOLOGY

The glass technology used on Xperia Z1 similarly to Xperia Z can be either DragonTrail or Gorilla Glass. Both are tempered glass and industry standards. This has already been discussed in an Xperia Z thread. So yes it is possible that the front and back of your phone will be GG but it could also be a mix of DT or GG.

XPERIA Z2 (???)

As to Xperia Z2 rumours I would not worry about it too much as it is just a RUMOUR. From what I have heard it could be a 5.5"-5.7" phone to fill in the gap between Z1 and Z Ultra.

SCREEN

As to the screen my one came with yellow hue which annoys me a little bit but I hope it is gonna vanish in a week or so. The screen is not as bad as people portray it but that of course is a matter of personal preference.

BEZEL AND BUILT

The bezel on the phone might be a little bit on the larger side but the aluminum and glass premium feel compensates for everything. The phone is actually a lot more comfortable in hand than Z (due to rounded sides). No flap on the headphone jack is an awesome feature in a waterproof phone and the flaps are much better now and are easier to open and shut.
[Xperia Z1 General] Uvaavu:
Have seen the screen in store and its absolutely fine - better than my S3 for sure. It's not top of the class, but its in the top 5 or 10.
[Xperia Z1 General] Dpk1:
If you are bothered by the screen on Z1 too much, then you shouldn't buy it. I had a look at Z1 today myself and I can say that it's screen is fine for me. If you like amoled or IPS for their good viewing angles then you'll probably not like the XZ1 screen. But I'll say this though that colour contrast & vibrance appears impeccable (head on)!. Everything else on the phone seems perfect to me & will probably buy it later today after checking out some other stores :)!
[Xperia Z1 General] dw1llow:
Hey exactly same position as you are. I've been trying to move on from my S2 all year. I've managed to hold back on Xperia Z, which I'm glad I did, and was very very excited for Z1. Which turned out to be BIG mistake after doing some post-purchase research.

I've got no brand loyalty, and I like purchasing the best phone just like you do so that it can last a long time without regrets, and I gotta say S2 with Cyanogenmod has been by far the best phone I've ever owned. I just thought Z1 was beast enough to fill its shoes.

In that case, I'd just remove the shatterproof film after it gets scratched. And won't replace it. I mean what's the point having scratch-resistant screen if it's not right on the top layer?? Just does not make sense. It's like wrapping yourself in gladwrap on top of a bulletproof vest :rolleyes:

The phone is going to look ridiculous without that Sony logo though.

I guess I'd just have to compromise on this and be willing to ditch all the Sony features when moving onto CM w/ custom kernel. But it is a big comprise.

I actually don't mind Sony having a 6-month cycle on flagship releases. I just want them to release a phone that's decent enough to be held for 2+ years without regret. Just like my S2.

All in all, that was good feedback. You've swayed me a little towards keeping the Z1. But I'm still very uneasy about this phone... It's just a totally different feeling compared to when I pre-ordered Galaxy S2 couple of years back. Like I couldn't wait for it to arrive, so I went online and read all the previews and review and what not. At first, I had the exact same feeling with Z1, but as I read more and more about it on the net, I'm starting to regret getting into this.
[Xperia Z1 General] shem2409:
Dude, seriously sitting on these forums would get anyone paranoid. The phone is really great and it is gonna get better as the updates start coming. Xperia Z right now is a million years ahead of what it was at release. The hardware is there so now we just need some smart people to tweak it to its full potential.
[Xperia Z1 General] sebbo90:
In my opinion the screen viewing angles not being amazing doesn't bother me as I always look at my phone head on
[Xperia Z1 General] OMEiAM:
Same with me also. I love the screen. I almost didn't buy the Z1 (and instead buy the Galaxy Note 3) because of all that negative statements about the Z1. I'm sure glad I went ahead and bought it anyways because I love the device and highly recommend it. If people want to feel more secure about the glass on the front and back, look for cases!
[Xperia Z1 General] dw1llow:
Well I do bulk of my usage in bed watching youtube or a movie as I fall asleep, so when I'm lying down the screen has to have a tolerant enough viewing cone so that I watch it in comfortable positions. I don't wanna be like having the phone always at a right angle and break my neck you know lol

Also, I put my phone down on my desk on my left side at work, beside my keyboard, and touch the phone without picking it up from time to time. And, my sight will not be within its viewing cone, and the screen will look all washed up.

I thought about it for a while and consciously think about the position of my phone to my eyes when I use my current phone, and you'd be surprised how often you look at the phone at variety of angles. I just never have thought about this before because I'm used to the AMOLED screen, and took it for granted. But with all the talk about this restricted viewing angle, I just know it's going to annoy the sht out of me..

Seriously.. had Z1 come with IPS or IGZO display, even without that Triluminos tech, this would have been THE phone for me for the next 2 years.
[Xperia Z1 General] Tizza:
I just saw phoneArena's unboxing of the Z1 and apparently Sony chucks in a screen protector (with cleaning cloth) if that means anything to you (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nK_gDaeas). *shrug* In any case, their review should be just around the corner! Stay tuned... It might not be as bad as you've read so far.

I hear ya! The Galaxy S2 was my first smartphone and while I waited for the phone to be made available I couldn't get enough of finding reviews either, all of which portrayed the phone as something truly special.

I can see why you would totally want to sell the thing quick-smart and forget you ever made such a lousy purchase. Try to be sensible here, though. You sound like you try to be a reasonable person, but I think you were largely acting upon emotion when you first made this thread. That's entirely understandable; I myself hate it when I make a poor decision with my finances, and the first thing I want to do is put it behind me. However, take a step back, a deep breath, and rationally think this through before you make a decision! :)
[Xperia Z1 General] dw1llow:
Thanks for all the feedback. I've read the GSMArena review, and I'm sold! I just hope I win the display lottery (fingers crossed)
[Xperia Z1 General] jezaster:
So, you spend a lot of cash (or your dady cash) in a phone, you havent got it yet, not touch it, not lay your eyes on it, dont even make a call with it, then you read the opinión of others guys and then you say: should i keep it or not??.........really???how old are u?? Wtf?? Why you just dont use it and get your own opinión and then decide??
[Xperia Z1 General] Geoffxx:
List the reviews you're talking about - not my experience at all

and if you look at a thread started here by a new owner and X Z owner he doesn't agree - in saying that I think you've answered your own question - go by an HTC1 or S4 and stop

Oh and have you even had a Z1 in your hand - go to a store and look at it