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[Galaxy Note 3 General] systoxity:
to be fair, the verge is strange. I have a i7 920 and a gtx670 and when i was on windows 7 it would freeze for about 2 seconds. My i5 integrated hp laptop would run it fine. Now that i'm on 8 it no longer does that, but my school computers on core 2 duo still freeze up for a second and they were on 8. No idea what's going on with that website.

WHOEVER does not see the lag, you didn't watch far enough into it. To the one guy who thinks the video is jerky the whole way through... Playback was very smooth on my screen 1080p.

I'm not very good with italian, but it sounds like he said the browsers not ready but still runs very well???

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It's a good feature to test on phones. Nobody likes a phone that can't handle pinch to zoom. Showing that it handles it flawlessly is important in modern phones.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sublimaze:
The Verge is overrated. Their website often seems to be an extension of Apple marketing. The other day I counted 12 links to Apple articles on the home page (many linked to the same article), and it wasn't even a big news day for Apple. Plus, it seems like their entire site is thrown together by a 12 year old with severe ADHD. It is one of the few websites that I actually prefer the mobile version. I go there only after I check all of my other bookmarks and I am still bored out of my mind.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] soloilmeglio:
I'm Italian and I saw that mini review... the man tried to open "the verge"... then try a pinch to zoom with two finger, then a zoom in/out with a double tap and the page rendering seems freezed.

He press the exit option as nothing happened and return to home, after few seconds opened another website without any issue in rendering and try another time with the verge. That time seems better and he says that the browser is smooth. IMHO some little problem is still there but could be related to a incomplete loading of the website page, the verge is really heavy. With my note 8 (n5100) I don't have issues.

Inviato dal mio GT-N5100 con Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CLARiiON:
Exactly.. The browser froze up (not lag). However it was scrolling fine before that point. Could be a thousand reason with so much of media, links, photos embedded in a webpage. chrome on my desktop freezes few times every week. That's verge webpage, a very heavy one. Something that happened a few times for me on many devices. No matter which device you get, it will lag and it will freeze once in a while.

Most stupid statement I heard today.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] riz157:
Samsung have always had lag issues, it's something they've never managed to fix. One if the worst features especially when you are expected to fork out over £600!!

My S3,S4, note 2 all the same its a really off putting.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] fethi2:
i dont see no lag... check your internet connection maybe a stuck at your internet :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] adichandra:
Stoock browser performance is better than chrome. But nothing can beat aosp browser. It will make websites fly.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rushless:
I still do not know what some are talking about as far as lag on the S4. I do not see it and easily the smoothest Android device I have used for Web and about on par with my iPad 4. Are people confusing laggy internet connections with device lag?

I am using stock ME7.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mintu123:
i had galaxy s4 for 4 months.it had some lag issue.but dont say ****ing nexus4 better then s4.because i bought a nexus to hold me off until i get note 3.nexus4 is worse phone i ever used.screen is washed and it lags on all web pages or maybe it just scroll slow.but compare nexus 4 crap with top of the line phone like s4.could be i just hate pure andriod.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dscline:
So in a nutshell, there's this one specific web site, which might have some coding/design issues because it has inconsistent performance across different devices, and if you try to open it on the N3 and pinch/zoom in/out crazy fast and then try to run a link on the page before it finishes loading, it might hang.

Hold on while I cancel my pre-order.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] adichandra:
LOL. Btw the verge is so heavy it even makes my apple rmbp 15" scrolls like a netbook.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Sammath:
My s4 has no problems with the verge whatsoever. Maybe it's your device.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] droidrev71:
This post is just ridiculous imo. If the op had such problems and concerns over the previous Samsung device, why pre order two note 3's? I've watched several note 3 videos and haven't seen one issue. So now that I've watched some of this video too I'll just say I have no concerns!!! If you add up all the video time up, maybe 2 hours worth, and one issue I'm thinking this phone with be the best Samsung phone yet. So let's not focus on the one mishap! There are too many variables that could of caused the lag. If the n3 has lag issues return it and move on. Now, Let's talk about all the good we've seen in the videos.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MohJee:
Well I enjoy Samsung devices, my last two phones were Samsung, I'm currently using note2, and I'm planning to buy the note3.

Having said that, to say Samsung devices don't lag is putting yourself in denial, short and simple. They have always had lag issues, and it's not the fault of their hardware, because the hardware is top notch, but they seem to be plagued with unoptimized software. Go compare Htc one's sense 5 or nexus phones and then tell me with a straight face Samsung phones are as snappier as them.

It's the Achilles heal of Samsung phones and always will be unless they rework their software from the bottom up.

Doesn't make them any less great though. I will be one of the first ones to buy the note3 once it hits my country, because the pros far outway this con imho.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] riz157:
Gosh long post I'm not going to address every point individually but to answer your question simply, this is my understanding of "lag" and experience of samsung software.

Falls behind not keep pace with another or other manufactures with Something as simple as screen transitions scrolling from one screen to another, it's not smooth but jittery. Here I'm not talking about the odd occasion but frequently, I've owned upto 4 Note 2's and S3's and all of them had same issue. I can accept no software is 100% nor will it ever be but should be fine over 90% of the times out of the box, without having to install custom roms etc. I don't think that's too much to expect especially when you are expected to pay 600, do you?

I've owned Htc one, Iphone 5, 4s, note 2, S3 and the smoothest out of them all is Htc one then iPhone 5. So my point if Htc and apple can minimise lag to less then 5% then samsung should have no issues.

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Thanks for that.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] adichandra:
Agreed. I disabled all the sview and stuff from my i9505, lags are less noticable, then i flashed google edition, no lags at all, just as fluid as a nexus device.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Lag threads are as painful as "when are we receiving the ____ update?" threads. My N2 doesn't lag (my opinion and perception) and your N2 does lag (your opinion and perception). Who is right? We don't even have a common definition of what lag is, where and when it occurs, and what from a measurement perspective constitutes it. These conversations are always futile and circuitous just like battery life conversations. I have no idea what people here have done to their devices that could affect s/w performance, battery life, reboots, force closes, etc. So drawing conclusions on individual posted experiences (even mine) is kind of dumb.

Here's an example. Your car's making a noise. You take it in to the dealer and tell them "it's making a noise." What are they supposed to do? You have to tell them where the noise is coming from, under what circumstances, how often, etc. So people coming to XDA saying "my device lags" is no better than the car dealer example. And if you put diesel in a gasoline-powered car of course it's going to make a noise.

This thread could run to a 100 pages and there still won't be an agreement on "lag." My advice to people that are concerned are to read the posts (as painful as that may be) and based on the discussions draw your own conclusions.

This is from the G2 forum; a device with same internals as the N3. According to this owner it "lags." Do we now all believe the G2 lags? I don't personally. But it kind of makes the point about why lag conversations are so frustrating.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] MohJee:
LG phones copy Samsung phones to the extreme. It wouldn't surprise me if by mistake they copied "S Lag" as one of the features as well.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dan37tz:
The problem with the S4 is the inconsistent smoothness. When it's smooth, its super smooth, when it lags and stutter it feels like an Android device from 2008.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] riz157:
Funny you should say that my Optimus G Pro does lag, In fact lg have taken or a different level.lol
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dan37tz:
Whoever said the Nexus 4 was a better device? I said in Web browsing the Nexus 4 had no issues, it's running a generation older SOC S4 Pro chipset also. I too had the washed out badly calibrated screen on my N4, only fixed with Faux's app. It also had one of the ****tiest camera's to date. I also dislike pure Android, that's beside the point though. For example, on XDA's full site loaded on the S4, with the list of top devices shown on the page, try swiping to scroll down. It literally takes the S4 2 seconds or more sometimes to even respond to my touch and then scroll. No such issues on an N4 even with crappy Chrome.

I'll probably make a video on Monday with the N4, GS4, GS3, LG G2 and Note 2 to show you guys what I'm talking about.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dan37tz:
That quote you showed is from a Verizon G2 owner. It seems as though the Verizon version of the G2 lags, well according to all the complaints of lag I noticed the owners were all Verizon versions. One Verizon owner even made a video of his G2 stuttering between homescreen transitions and notification pull down. I'm on a T-Mobile version and this devices flies with no such issues. Seems like the T-Mobile and ATT G2 versions do not suffer the same fate.

If the owner never made the thread or other Verizon owners never spoke up from their laggy experiences, how would we know the Verizon version lags more than the ATT and T-Mobile version? So to answer you question, no these threads are not useless, they sometimes help to identify issues. Just like the Verizon owner found out that his laggy pull down notification was caused by setting the homescreen wallpaper to static instead of scrolling, probably a software bug. So his "lag thread" could potentially help other Verizon G2 owners get rid of one issue of lag.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mintu123:
I really think the galaxy s4 starts lag when CPU gets hot.I'm currently using nexus 4 and after I use about 20min then it starts to lag like s4....but s4 starts lag like around 10min browsing.they really should do something about keeping CPU cool.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dan37tz:
My intention of starting this thread was not to create a flame war between devices,(maybe my thread title was a bit much?) I was mostly hoping someone who could understand Italian translate a part of the video where the reviewer seemed to be experiencing some lag trouble with the browser. That is an area where it concerns me a lot, I didn't mind the UI lag on the S4 too much but the browsing experience had me infuriated with the device more than anything.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
What phone doesn't have a little lag with 100s of apps, photos, videos and everything else slammed on it and a little "lag" is making everybody throw a fit. And I agree I've seen several probably not 2 hours worth but probably at least an hour lol and I haven't seen anything that says it lags. If you don't want lag go get yourself an iPhone haha
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CLARiiON:
^^ Couldn't agree more..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rukin1:
How was it the "stupidest comment I've heard today"?

MY comment was a logical comment, was it not?.. I mean, most of us are on here to install custom roms/mods/root our phones. It's quite a true statement, so i don't understand your rude response lol.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] StylishMafia:
Calm down people...there's no need to get so angry..and as for the lag the reviewer's internet could be slow and before it finished loading he tried to pinch and zoom(that too very quickly) ..and the verge is weird..so let's not draw conclusions...such things can be checked when we get the phone :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] porkaysi:
yea i agree i would not go bat **** over a crash on the verges website. i believe the note will be an epic performer and i really do not think the lag issue will be as bad/ can not be worse then the s4. samsung needs to cut some of the gimmicky things they offer and need to consolidate there software feature and spend more time with user experience. this problem could also be attributed to android its self? samsung has to develop there rom for 4.2.2 knowing 4.3 is 2 months away and then they have to start to work with 4.4 which is rumored to be a month out, and before there next flagship they will have a 64 bit version of the OS (5.0?). in now way am i a developer and do not know what effects it has in the software process, but i know they do not have a lot of time with the OS version if they want to stay current. with all the phones (plus versions of them) they make and all the different versions of android, how polished can we expect them to be. end game samsung should not release software thats ****, and there is an understandable margin of error with phone operation, especially when its brand new. that being said samsung needs to get there **** together with the software, or google needs to help out there partners because apples new iPhone runs smooth as butter and it is fast. if apple made a 5 inch iPhone besides the few usable exclusive features sammy has with there phone, i doubt it would have an edge on the iPhone in any other phone relevant category.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Nexodon:
I am italian and I speak english quite well.

I'll tell you exactly what he said about it.

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He said that its browser is very good, and it is a lot better to the S4's one.

It only took a little time to restore the images with a double-tap on The Verge, but he said that anyway it is really smooth and usable.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] freeza:
I can't understand how any of you are having trouble on that website. If you, ya know, let it finish loading before trying to scroll all over the place, it functions like any other site.

Even my dual core s3 handles it fine.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rushless:
The problem with the OP is presuming opinion as standard. The opinion driven standard here is lag that most users and reviews do not see with the S4. To top it off, using a web page example as the rationale. That is the core problem and what resonated.

As far as people being rude, kind of the same premise with driving and web traffic. Some people just ain't too nice in traffic.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Everyone on here unless they've been under a rock knows of some of the SGS4's challenges and fear they'll carry over to the N3. How did you think a thread title "Looks like the Note 3 lags like the S4" would make people react? And I notice that you haven't updated the title after [MENTION=5357744]Nexodon[/MENTION] translated it and said what you took as negative was in fact positive. The fact you own a G2 (which you quickly defended when lag was mentioned) doesn't improve your credibility any.

Most of the negative posts are from people who are trying to talk themselves out of the N3 which is fine. As I said before, the N3 could be a mess in some areas but there's been nothing (so far) to indicate that's the case. Probably the biggest concern that's really not known yet is the impact of Knox on the bootloader and warranty status. Picking snipets that support a negative, some from questionable sites, then posting them with "OMG!!!" is pretty transparent. And saying "The N3 SUCKS!!!" and then following it with "what do you guys think?" doesn't change or soften the implied bias.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rushless:
Lag is something your kids whine about when playing multi-player gaming ;)

I can see the appeal of the N3, but sticking with the S4. Now, if Samsung releases a S800 refresh of the S4 this year and Verizon carriers it, THEN I will be pi$$ed! Motorola helped kill their cred with consumers doing the refresh stunt.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] designgears:
I wouldn't call that lag, I would call that crappy Verge website coding. Their site is loaded with tracking software and tons of crazy css stuff. When they first launched the site it was awful, that same stuff happened on my desktop browser too.

Need to test it on more sites. The Verge is a bad example.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] walidbang:
Just use aosp browser via Google play and Be happy
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CrashTestDroid:
My psychic powers insist that you didn't try BeanStalk :)

In other news, looks like Canada will be getting both the international and LTE variants of the N3. Wind Mobile is getting the octocore (according to the FB "notify me" page specs) while the Big Three get LTE.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rg1973:
I dont speak Italian but I understood everything he said its your typical touchwiz Samsung android stuff.. Don't have to be a genius to figure out his review
[Galaxy Note 3 General] cb56:
I speak Italian and I can assure you that the video does not show any device problems.

cb56
[Galaxy Note 3 General] systoxity:
You must have missed the part where the device has a... problem.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Wow. Two things. If someone, anyone, says to see a defect I have to "do this, then do that, and make sure this is like that" I pretty much ignore it. Unless of course whatever's being described happens to be something I use every day in normal use. Unlike you, I'm more forgiving of some "lag" in apps Samsung offers that no one else does because there's no comparison for reference. Multiview, S Note, and some of the other "Note-centric" apps are big and heavy so I'd expect that to reflect in their performance to a degree be it based on h/w, s/w, or some combination of both. I'd rather wait a few milliseconds for an app that increases my productivity to respond than not have it all.

When another device does this with less "lag" than the N3 I'll join in the criticism.

Pen Window also lets you take Samsung's multi-window feature to absurd levels. Multi-window lets you run two apps on screen at the same time, and Pen Windows lets you add a third. I actually managed to take it even further in YouTube, using the app's built-in ability to have floating videos, creating a situation in which I had two YouTube windows. Both were playing videos in pop-out screen, all the while running Google Hangouts (I technically could have had another YouTube video open, too). Hardly practical, but fun.​

http://mashable.com/2013/10/01/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/

How I'll personally determine how the N3 performs is when I finish loading all 113 apps I'm currently using from my N2 and set up the configuration (syncs, settings, etc.) the same way. If it's at least as fast (the N3 does more so "just as fast" would be acceptable to me) or faster than my ex-N2 I'll be a happy camper.

People that freak out over millisecond delays in transitions and app openings need to: 1) actually use their device to do stuff and they won't be so obsessed with its performance, and 2) buy a phone without an overlay (Nexus) or get an AOSP(ish) ROM on their overlayed device as fast as their little feet can carry them.

P.S. - No one here (including me) is so profound they need to multiple post to ensure everyone gets the opportunity to bask in their brilliance.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jlevy73:
Coming from the S4 (Octa-lag) my expectation level of what the Note 3 was going to be was somewhat jaded. I do have to say that one of my favorite all time devices was the S2.

Anyway, got a chance to play with the Note 3 today in Beijing for a couple of hours. Keep in mind this is the Chinese version, I believe it was N-9002 and N-9006 but I was supremely impressed.

The screen is a beautiful hunk of sexiness (and I do have the HTC One, and that screen is quite beautiful as well). It's blazing fast, I didn't detect one bit of lag and I really tried to push that thing as hard as I could. Plus it was connected to one of the ridiculous security charging devices so the device was hot to begin with. The reason I point out heat is I was expecting a lot of thermal throttling but if there was, I didn't detect it.

Unfortunately, I couldn't bench it because here in China google apps are removed from the device so I had to go with what was preinstalled. I loaded up androidcentral.com and it was flawless (unlike my lag of an S4). before the page even fully loaded I was able to scroll without any lag. They had sonic 4 and NFS pre-loaded and both games played perfectly.

I tried out the camera but really I am a terrible judge of what's good and what's bad so I cannot pass judgement on this. Speaker quality was pretty good, not as loud as the S4 but I have Perseus's kernel on that which lets you turn the volume up to 11.

I dug the faux leather back, much more premium feeling than the previous Galaxy's I have owned but plastic was never something that bothered me. Finally the S-pen. As a power business user that travels about 150 days/year, the features it provides are incredible. Beyond the S-pen, I have never seen a device crammed to the gills with so many options. It would probably take me a month just to go through them all.

If this wasn't the Chinese variant I would have bought it in a second, and after the S4, I promised myself I wouldn't buy another Samsung. I was definitely wrong. I still love my HTC One but I could love me a Note 3 even more. I was super impressed.