yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Other SmartWatches] guruone:
I haven't check this tread for a while, I hope everyone is still enjoying their Pines. I was wondering if anyone has any news on maybe getting 4.4 on the Pine? Thanks in advance.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
Those still with it are enjoying it. I know i am..

4.4 definitely will not go through.

Guess we just had to go with current version as it is.

T28@eMax
[Other SmartWatches] silent_bob52637:
I'm loving mine still

I found myself using it as a replacement for my WiFi hotspot and texting but my x5 for playing games and taking calls
[Other SmartWatches] Will0:
How Do You Edit This ROM

How do you edit this rom because i tried using dsi's android kitchen and i tried unzipping zipping back up then signing it
[Other SmartWatches] F0L:
I just unzipped it and rezipped it (store setting) and it worked fine.
[Other SmartWatches] kvp33:
Lost IMEI

Any idea to recover the IMEI on this watch ?
[Other SmartWatches] Perseu5:
Is there anyone that currently still owns a neptune pine and would be willing to sell one? I've looked everywhere and can't find any.
[Other SmartWatches] andrewjt19:
I have had mine for about two years and have this ROM installed. I rarely use it anymore due to my job. I'd be willing to consider a deal. Send me a PM.
[Other SmartWatches] Perseu5:
Awesome! I just sent you a PM
[Other SmartWatches] marcusroberts:
Hi all.

I'm reaching out to anyone who has, or knows of a Neptune Pine for sale. Any version considered. Willing to offer good price.

Thanks in advance.

Marcus
[Other SmartWatches] vikemosabe:
I still have mine.

16 gig.

PM me if you are still looking and are interested in mine.
[Other SmartWatches] qtek_user:
*deleted*
[Other SmartWatches] silent_bob52637:
Is anyone still modding these mine is just collecting dust since I built myself a pipboy
[Other SmartWatches] Timeshell:
So, the TWRP recovery and stock recovery links now come up as malicious links on my Norton now. Are there proper links available for these still?
[Other SmartWatches] ClearD:
I wouldn't say better, just different. They fill different niches.

However, it is nice that it has 2 cameras, and that they've so far not backtracked on anything they've said. The Omate is more "rugged", I'd say, with the sapphire screen and the waterproof rating, but the pine does fill its own niche rather well.
[Other SmartWatches] Parcae:
Does the device have Gorilla Glass or equivalent screen protection?

Are any developers on XDA planning to get it?
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Yes no sense getting one if no one here will be developing for it.
[Other SmartWatches] spinedoc:
Gah, I said the hell with it and pledged a 16gb version. I just couldn't say no to $199. Hopefully it's all it says it's going to be. I'm getting this over the Omate mainly because you can detach it from the strap and I'd rather use it as a mini phone than a watch.
[Other SmartWatches] cyrilp:
Just did the same ;) meanwhile i'll be waiting with the aw-414 tnt is delivering tomorrow morning !

Envoyé de mon Nexus 7 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Other SmartWatches] jiexi:
Those stretch goals... so sad.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Will the screen stay on all day or will it time out(assuming the battery will last that long)?
[Other SmartWatches] jiexi:
It's basically a small cellphone strapped to your wrist. Screen will timeout, it will not last a whole day theoretically. Maybe if you turned backlight to 0 instead of turning off the screen it could last a full day, but I don't know.
[Other SmartWatches] Parcae:
Yeah, I know. A new strap design? Dream a little smaller, Neptune. I was hoping for something like Omate had - more screen protection and more RAM.
[Other SmartWatches] jiexi:
They're starting to worry me. Not only are the stretch goals weak, but words like "reveal"/"unveil" imply the design has already been completed and was likely planned as an accessory already. Same goes for cdma for that matter. It's such a large leap in terms of work required vs upgrading ram or the screen's glass, but it's so easy for them to add it as a goal; bet it's already been implemented as well. They aren't screaming well supported product to me, now or in the future. I've been contemplating pulling my backing actually, as overly dramatic as that sounds, omate will be out soon enough anyway.
[Other SmartWatches] cyrilp:
What do you mean ?

edit: ok i understood
[Other SmartWatches] |SavageD|:
Never thought of it this way...for some reason this post had me thinking all day. :| Maybe I could unstrap the watch and use it as a normal cellphone from time to time instead of putting it on my wrist. Maybe game on it to pass time....Dunno, but I'll wait until it comes out and look at the reviews to see if it's battery life is truly worthy of being a watch and phone. Still wish it was a bit smaller though.
[Other SmartWatches] Parcae:
To be fair, I get the impression that the Kickstarter was a last-minute thing to drum up sales and publicity, and that they're already too far advanced in the production process to make significant changes. It's still disappointing, though. "Tempered glass" is just not going to cut it on a wearable, and 512Mb is not enough for snappy performance.

I'm on the fence about this. Pros:

1. Snapdragon processor should theoretically be easier to develop for than Mediatek

2. If you want a full-fledged Leela Wrist Thingy (TM), this is basically the only game in town

3. Flash on the front. This is a HUGE deal for me - I never seem to have a flashlight when I need one.

4. 3.5mm headphone jack

5. Webcam

Cons:

1. Not enough RAM

2. Not enough screen protection

3. The resolution is positively embarrassing. 160 ppi? What is this, 2009?

4. Huge bezels. Seriously, draw the dimensions of this device as a rectangle, and then draw the dimensions of the screen inside it. Half the front seems to be bezel.

5. No developers expressing interest in this thread.

6. Battery life is always a concern for this kind of thing, and it particularly undercuts the utility of features like the flashlight. They should publish real-world tests under various conditions, like the Omate people did.

7. Camera is in a weird location (should be on the strap like the Gear's, since the entire purpose of a camera on this kind of thing is to be able to take a picture much more quickly than you otherwise could)
[Other SmartWatches] NeptunePine:
Hello all,

Thank you for voicing your concerns.

We would like to address your battery life concerns right now. Here are the results of our battery test:

8 hours talk time

7 hours web browsing

10 hours music

7 hours video

120 hours standby

As for the stretch goals, we have discussed the Gorilla Glass among many things. We just feel that the new strap design and CDMA would appeal to a wider range of people and also allow more people to take advantage of the Pine. All your feedback are sent directly to the CEO, Simon Tian. Rest assured that we are listening.

Don't read too much into the "reveal/unveil". We don't have anything designed yet. The stretch goal is for creating a new design. A lot of people were concerns about the aesthetics of the Pine, we thought that it would be a great first stretch goal.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Did I read correctly that there will be a CDMA/LTE version?
[Other SmartWatches] jiexi:
I do believe more people are asking fof 1gb of ram than for a cdma version of the device. So, that does not explain cdma as a stretch choice.

I apologize about my assumptions then, but the words used convey that tone/message, at least to me.
[Other SmartWatches] Parcae:
Neptunepine, thank you for your very prompt and courteous response. You are already well over $200k, and it seems highly likely that you will beat $300k, so I hope we will see more stretch goals soon. (Congratulations on the highly successful Kickstarter, by the way).

I obviously can't tell you what kind of feedback you've received. However, I suspect that most people's concerns over the aesthetics of the device are based on its size, which is understandable but more or less unavoidable. I'm a little concerned about the bezels and the thickness, but you aren't responsible for the deficiencies of the underlying technology.

Here are some thoughts on future Stretch Goals. I'm sure you've already considered them, but perhaps you might revisit one or two of them at the $400k and $500k marks. In order of concern:

1. More RAM

2. Some kind of additional screen protection

3. A better screen (480x360 would be 250ppi, which is much more in tune with what most mid-to-low-end devices offer these days)

4. Better screen technology (AMOLED might allow a minimal watchface to be on all the time, which would make a significant difference in usability)
[Other SmartWatches] ClearD:
Poor ronald has been after a cdma watch for ages now.

Sent using XDA-funded carrier pigeons
[Other SmartWatches] NeptunePine:
Hey Ronald, yes, our 2nd stretch goal is to develop a CDMA version: w w w . kickstarter. com/projects/neptune/neptune-pine-smartwatch-reinvented/posts/668603

Yes, the 1GB is something that people are asking for. We will definitely try our best to increase the RAM to 1GB, but due to power management problems, memory type incompatibility, and a range of other issues, the Pine will unlikely be able to have an increase in RAM. We would also like to point out that the Pine is a smartwatch and not a tablet or a phone. The RAM will have less impact than you might expect.

We had considered the Gorilla glass as a stretch goal. Should we meet our 300K stretch goal, we will definitely announce new stretch goals. We are looking into the different options that would be best for our customers.

---------- Post added at 12:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:26 AM ----------

We just got more technical answers from our team.

Regarding the screen resolution, for this first generation, this is the best resolution that is available to us. Since we are not a giant like Apple or Samsung, there are manufacturing requirements that are harder to meet for certain screens with higher protection or resolution, especially at the size that we want. There is also nothing that we can do about the bezel because of the size of the screen. In terms of hardware, the screen underneath is actually larger than what you see.
[Other SmartWatches] JarlSX:
120 hours of standby is only theoretical

as this is really a phone strapped to the wrist, let's compare it to another one: Samsung claims 370 hours of standby on their Galaxy S4

but in reality it only lasts a day

having said that, if this should replace your smartphone, most people are used to charging their phone everyday anyway

but: no way this will replace my HTC Butterfly S :)

i'm not into standalone watches anyway...
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
So true ClearD and if they do I will be tempted go buy one.

Thanks for the link Neptune pine.
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Yeah only bad spec about it is the ram imo but I still want one.
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Why did you only use 512mb ram its the only not so good spec I can see about this device. Well the glass thing too but still.
[Other SmartWatches] jiexi:
What do you guys think of the new stretch goals?
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
I`d like to see NFC and 1gb ram, the only stretch goal they listed

That I care about is the better glass that it should already have IMO.
[Other SmartWatches] speedyink:
Two screen protectors worth a couple cents? Damn, what a stretch goal!
[Other SmartWatches] ebildude123:
Saw the kick starter vid for this. Looks pretty sweet.
[Other SmartWatches] thesparky007:
Looks gigantic
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
That goal made me lol and think wtf personally.
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Having had a Simvalley 414.Go I think the extra inch the pines screen has should make it a lot easyer to use.
[Other SmartWatches] spinedoc:
Why don't they use Sapphire crystal like the Omate? I wear my rolex while doing heavy construction, and have had it for 10 years, I beat the living crap out of it and it doesn't have a single blemish or scratch on it.

I'm an early backer, but I have concerns as well.

1) 512mb seems too low, hopefully the UI won't be sluggish and laggy. I wonder what apps this will limit us to.

2) The screen needs to be incredibly durable IMO.

3) It seems kind of thick. I was initally hoping to use this as a tiny stand alone phone without the strap, but if it's much thicker than my iphone I might not enjoy that. I haven't seen any size specs, anyone know how thick it is?

4) The bezels are huge, seems like they could shave off a lot of size, or make the screen larger if they did something about the bezels.

Well, the way I figure it is I still have 25 days to decide or to back out of it. Let's see what more stretch goals they come up with.
[Other SmartWatches] cyrilp:
i have 512mb on my aw-414 and it's far from sluggish !

And if you have a look at my google page you will see that i have installed a LOT of apps on it !

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+CyrilPreiss0/posts

(by the bay i have backed the pine too)
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
What are you thinking of the 414 so far? I had to return mine for a new one (better model they said)

I put a video of my faulty 414 on the 414 thread.
[Other SmartWatches] skyworxx:
I had a 414 as well - it was horrible. It is basically unusable for me, since bt tethering does not work (settings/profile has been removed from rom).
[Other SmartWatches] ffinder:
Demo Video

Neptune Pine's

First Demo Video ! !

[YOUTUBE]KvemXh_6GgU[/YOUTUBE]

and..

..a 64 GB stretch goal:

Neptune Pine: Smartwatch. Reinvented. by Neptune » Stretch Goal Modifications — Kickstarter

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[Other SmartWatches] mattjenkins126:
Hi

Can i ask what is the AW414 like and where did you buy it from. I am struggling to order it for the UK?
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Someone from the uk is selling it on eBay is how I got one before it was even out (about a month ago) it arrived the next day and so did the replacment the day after he got the one i sent back, I wouldn't reccomend it at all tho its a crap device I have had 2 of them so far and both faulty in one way or another, checkout my thread on it, I am going to save up for a Neptune pine and I hope that the omate truesmart 1gb 8gb model I ordered is a lot better then this 414
[Other SmartWatches] jiexi:
I created a poll for you guys to vote on stretch goals you'd like to see. It can be found at: http://smartwatchforum.com/neptune-pine/things-you-d-like-to-see-as-stretch-goals-t8.html

You can vote on the following, or suggest your own ideas:

Waterproofing

Improved Battery Capacity

Android 4.3/4.4

Larger Screen

MotoACTV style Shake-to-Wake (example in op)

Wireless Charging

Sapphire Glass

MHL/HDMI Output

Upgraded Camera

Something Else (let us know below)

I will be manually approving your first posts, afterwards you will be able to make posts normally.
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
The screen is plenty big enough as it is its perfect IMO. All the others sound great tho if it had all those other things it would be totally awesome. Not that it isn't awesome already of course.
[Other SmartWatches] skyworxx:
It is sold in Germany:

https://www.pearl.de/product.jsp?pdid=PX1790

But do not buy it. Is is crap (just returned mine).
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Sadly I can not return my replacement and the non os/app part of the storage isn't there for some reason so I had put a external micro SD in it for some stuff to work. Didn't have to do that with first one I got, I hope someone makes fixed firm ware for it so it all works properly as I think all it's issues are firmware/software related?

I also think it's crap in it's current state.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Add CDMA version, please to the poll?
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Unless I am confused I think they already added that feature to it officially ?
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
I misunderstood, you are looking for more than the published stretch goals.
[Other SmartWatches] All-Or-Nothing:
Is it possible to make a video with the camera zoomed in closer. Seems like it runs well but you really can't get a good feel for how well the screen looks.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
As it is still under 'construction' and will be added functions (extras or improvements), still hoping they'll put in a hotspot hardware or something / cellular data sim function so that we can use it as wigi hotspot or just the broadband sim.

T28@MT1-U06
[Other SmartWatches] jiexi:
Neptune is already going to make a CDMA version of the Pine.

It runs on android, so it already exists in some form.
[Other SmartWatches] vectron:
One thing that wasn't clear to me, are they going to make *another* hardware version of Pine with CDMA support? Or is it going to be one universal version with dual support? They made a comment on KS page about those who want CDMA version and already pledged for the watch to contact them separately. To me it sounds like a hardware update that will be done sometime down the road but not with original committed release of Pine. On top of that, with all the FCC certifications, that would extend the delay (lesson learned from Omate).
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Until there is a CDMA version I will wait to order one.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
i do hope it is there. somehow, there are some devices like the mid-end samsung galaxies and some other brands i use before, although its ICS/JB versions of android, seems Hotspot function doesnt exist. this is smartwatch and i do understand if certain things are not in there. to early to say even the categories of smartwatches whether they are high-end or mid-end devices.

for the 'wishes'. i do hope :fingers-crossed: they'll increase the batt capacity at least 1250mah or below. if its now too late to change the screen material, i hope they provide a glass screen protector just like the one found for iphones and galaxies. it's suitable to protect at least. and one thing they can change is the screen bezels (which is too thick), it seems to fit/add at least another 0.3-0.5 inch to the screen.

just saying, while its all depends on the CREATORS of Pine.
[Other SmartWatches] shammc:
The pine is still going strong on kickstarter . I hope the xda community gets behind it as it will make it much better than it already looks to be .
[Other SmartWatches] mcteague:
Just uped my pledge to a 32gb, why not!, especially as there's no sd slot like the Omate.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
Now that they reach over $500k, they'll gonna make 64gb version hope with 32gb, we'll upgrade less in cost. Each goals they stated has been in the winning side so...cant wait to get this gadget.

T28@MT1-U06
[Other SmartWatches] jiexi:
that's the sad part. Omate has the same functionality as this device, and room for an sd card all in a smaller space...
[Other SmartWatches] joshoon:
I also pledged, and went for the 32GB combo pack :)
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
When is delivery scheduled for the earliest pledges?
[Other SmartWatches] mcteague:
Should be January as promised, thats if the stretch goals dont delay anything.
[Other SmartWatches] Qwertyloops:
Anybody else a little cheesed about Swype being one of their stretch goals?...

Especially considering its before shock proofing the thing.

Also a couple of people brought up how water resistant it'll be. It should be IP67 once its sent out.
[Other SmartWatches] Smurgledorfcc:
I wish they could come up with something better than Swype as a stretch goal, but they did state in a comment that they wouldn't feasibly afford the shock proofing before the $700,000 stretch goal. Though I understand this, I feel like they should have incorporated shock proofing in the initial release. People are gonna beat that thing against everything while its on their wrists.
[Other SmartWatches] Qwertyloops:
Just got an update email:

"Hey everyone!

Here are some much-awaited updates:

Shock Resistance

Due to popular demand, we are happy to announce that we will officially start taking the necessary steps in order to make the Pine shock resistant! Details on the tests that we will pass through will be disclosed shortly.

Stretch Goal: $700K - Special Bumper with Lanyard Hole

For our $700K goal, we will design a special bumper for the Pine with a lanyard hole so that you may attach your Pine to your keychain, necklace, etc., so that you may never lose or drop your Pine. Please note that this accessory will probably ship after the January shipment date."

Wow I'm impressed. Kudos on actually listening, Neptune.

I'm starting to like and trust this company more and more.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
And thats a relief story..:thumbup::thumbup::D

Got an email myself. Hope by 700k and ++ they'll be giving a glass screen protector just like the iphones and galaxies..that sure protects more of the screen.

Nice..

T28@MT1-U06
[Other SmartWatches] yreham:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/hands-on-hp-veer/

all you need is a wrist band and your good to go
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Pine is much better XD
[Other SmartWatches] ffinder:
hp veer OS is:

webOS..

major fail..
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
Got another email ; update 18 which says its a final looks of the Pine...nice..

Here is the pics in their email..

T28@MT1-U06
[Other SmartWatches] spinedoc:
Are there official size specs posted anywhere? I'm trying to find out how thick it is, It looks VERY thick in the pictures. I don't expect paper thin, but was hoping for something close to the thickness of an iPhone at least.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
This is the specs from their site. Remain the same and maybe change some based on their daily updates in websites and emails.

By the way. Good news to some design experts here or anywhere,

Neptune has release new update yesterday, and its about a Challenge/Contest....

So gear up guys and show your expertise..i am not good in this but do share what you guys have done and i am willing to support your design..

T28@MT1-U06
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
This is what i mean. The #20 updates..

T28@MT1-U06
[Other SmartWatches] kuronosan:
Hmmmm.
[Other SmartWatches] jiexi:
http://smartwatchforum.com/neptune-pine/watchface-contest-t14.html

Come check out my clockfaces!
[Other SmartWatches] bogdi1988:
I've been bugging them to include custom recovery and support for 3rd party ROM. They keep saying they'd get back at me on that... Would be nice if they'd include ClockworkMod by default on the device ;)
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Rooted with custom recovery software sure! Anyone order one with the CDMA option?
[Other SmartWatches] flascrnwrtr:
Yes, I have the 64GB Black CDMA pledged.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Thanks that is good to know. If I had the money I would be tempted to order.
[Other SmartWatches] darkproximity:
Hopefully this thread picks up after the ks campaign closes like the omate did.. seems they had issues with what omate was advertising though so maybe thats why their thread had tons of posts.. hoping to see dev support here too :)
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
It should pick up as watches get delivered and reviewed.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
Yes in less than 25 hrs, Pine will be funded and shipment will be on Jan. Neptune did confirmed Pine can be rooted and if ever it shipped with 4.4 kk then we likely to have CM 11 ported by then. As far as i can see the company does provide everything they can and giving backers much hopes and answers, so i guess they dont want to be like pebble or omate which in kickstarter things getting lose.

T28@MT1-U06 HAM
[Other SmartWatches] darkproximity:
Yeah, they're definitely very forthcoming with information, lately it's been 2 to 3 updates per day, which I appreciate.

I did see a comment on the ks page by a backer talking about delayed ship times for various different stretch goals, like tougher glass and cdma and such.. though I haven't seen anything from neptune about it. I hope to hear the production/shipping schedule shortly after the campaign ends.
[Other SmartWatches] darkproximity:
Went back and looked through their comments and they did say production will be delayed for the tempered glass, until marchish..