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[Other SmartWatches] :
How does this work? Does it connect to your phone like a normal smart watch? Does your phone number work for it as well?

I'm interested in it. Would there be a need for a cell phone anymore?
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
I think it is ideal as a Backup smartphone in certain situations. for those on Verizon would you have to get another line for it, or just pay the activation fee and swap in your microSIM card?
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
Anyone have thought over the straps in the Pine pictures where the are 4 or 5 connectors (in gold color)? It looks like some connectors from the straps itself or maybe the strap have something on its sleeve? This query were asked also from [MENTION=3998732]Chris V[/MENTION]aughn in Pine KS forum. Curious what it was...

T28@HAM
[Other SmartWatches] speedyink:
I have no issues using my 1.6" Motoactv, for typing or otherwise. It's a matter of preference.
[Other SmartWatches] heat22:
I installed Swype from a custom N7000 rom = sweetness
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
But I don't have a 4" smartphone my phablet is 6.4" XD
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Fair enough but I do a lot of typos lol
[Other SmartWatches] shaolin95:
Dont Shortchange our beast..it is 6.44"! :D
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Close enough XD
[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
As they have been showing different mounts etc. Is there any opportunity for a more modest slimmer watch like strap ?

I was thinking, carry in you pocket most of the time, but fix to strap when needed. But with the huge strap, it's not something I'd entertain. If there was something much more discrete, I wouldn't mind wearing it (the strap) all the time.
[Other SmartWatches] flascrnwrtr:
Try to remember that this is the first iteration of the Pine. It is only going to get better with generations and I would think that the time will not be too long for the next gen to be released. They are very open to hearing from their base, so just keep good communication and I think it will go far.
[Other SmartWatches] flascrnwrtr:
Post deleted, because I forgot how irritatingly childish people can be in this place. SMH
[Other SmartWatches] flascrnwrtr:
No biggie. I posted something in here and another area, because I wanted to show it to a particular group of people, but someone felt it was their almighty duty (rather than PM'ing me) to bring it up and then it got moderated (on the other thread), so I just beat them to the punch over here. I was really irritated by it, but decided that these little power lords aren't worth the effort of being irritated.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
Guess it cant be help with others...

Cant wait for the dedicated thread/forum for Pine by Bean...

This thread is more of other than Pine.

Wonder if its because no one has the Pine yet and it makea people soooo anxious...:D:D

T28#HOX
[Other SmartWatches] seth50k:
Brian did you ever hear back more from Beans? I'm really betting on a custom ROM, mainly because it concerns me that the Pine has Android 4.1.2, and not at least 4.3. 4.3 introduced full support for Bluetooth 4.0, which Android 4.1.2 does not have. Odd to me that Neptune would choose a chipset that only has 4.1.2 support, when they're using Bluetooth 4.0....
[Other SmartWatches] flascrnwrtr:
I was able to put Beans in direct contact with Simon Tian, so I am somewhat out of the middle now. I did go ahead and msg him to see what the status is, but sometimes it takes him a little bit to get back to me (between his normal job and dev'ing for multiple devices). I will post, when I hear.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
it would meant neptune soon will have an update for the v4.0 bt and by then even below the version bt will work flawlessly.

Thats what i think

T28@HAM
[Other SmartWatches] MCosmos:
How's the battery life after a month?
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Not sure why you asked that its not even out yet
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
Lets contact neptune ask them to fully charge pine before shipping. See if in standby mode it'll last how long. (Let's say 2 weeks of shipping)...

T28@HAM
[Other SmartWatches] Joost39:
Can't wait to receive mine by the end of january....

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[Other SmartWatches] :
Is this to replace your phone or a watch?

It's one hell of a smart watch, but I'd still need my phone, lol.
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Both I guess since it can be used as both
[Other SmartWatches] :
So how does it sync to your phone? Because doesn't it need a SIM card?
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Not sure about syncing this one to a phone you'd have to ask them but it does take its own sim card or can go online with WiFi.
[Other SmartWatches] :
So, either you get a SIM card with a different number or you turn your phone into a walking hotspot?
[Other SmartWatches] Uncle Louie:
Neptune is releasing an app so that you can connect your phone to the Pine like a "regular" Smartwatch (notifications and so on).
[Other SmartWatches] BigBison420:
on the app store or where? how did you obtain this information
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
This phone will have its own app store?
[Other SmartWatches] Uncle Louie:
I emailed them, and received this response:

"Hi Lou,

*

Yes. While the Pine is primarily designed as a standalone device, we will have an app that will allow Bluetooth tethering of your Pine to iOS or Android devices, allowing your Pine to receive and respond to notifications, phone calls, messages, etc

*

Best Regards"

It's on their Kickstarter page...I didn't see it until after I sent them the email.

They say that they're releasing their own app store soon, since they don't know if they'll receive official Google support.
[Other SmartWatches] Uncle Louie:
Yes, eventually.
[Other SmartWatches] Joost39:
Its now delayed :(

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[Other SmartWatches] Uncle Louie:
Dang. I had a hunch that was gonna happen...they were being too quiet.
[Other SmartWatches] Joost39:
I agree, it was to quiet :( they emailed us backers today.....they don't have the certifications yet.
[Other SmartWatches] Uncle Louie:
You'd think that would have been in line by now...
[Other SmartWatches] Joost39:
Nope.....

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[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Delayed by how much for the earliest shipments?
[Other SmartWatches] Joost39:
They not give US any timeline.

Project Update #40: Important Updates

￼*For backers only*Posted by Neptune*♥ Like

Hey everyone,

Thank you for your generous support of our company and our Kickstarter campaign. As a startup, we value the support of early adopters like you who are passionate about technology.

We know you've been eagerly waiting to receive the Pine, and we have some important updates for you in this regard.

We're happy to announce that we're ready for mass production of the Pine. Everything is going exceptionally well; our boards have started the SMT process, all our chips and components have arrived to our manufacturer, and the production line has been set up.

We showcased the Pine at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) two weeks ago with excellent feedback and support from the media and attendees. It was the first time anyone had a chance to try out the Pine.

As often as it happens with successfully funded Kickstarter campaigns, we have encountered a small bump along the road that is unfortunately going to cause delays.

Getting the Pine certified for FCC and CE is taking longer than originally thought. We started the certification process back in end of November, and we were told that the lead time would be 4-6 weeks. Unfortunately, we still have not received any relevant news from the testing labs yet and it doesn't seem like we will be able to ship the Pine in January as promised.

We deeply apologize for this delay, and we appreciate your continued support for the Pine and Neptune.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Thanks for posting that update.
[Other SmartWatches] Uncle Louie:
Yes, thanks you for the update!

So...they haven't started with mass production yet...which I guess makes sense if they haven't gotten certification yet. They've known for a while that they wouldn't hit the January deadline. Hopefully you guys get it soon; I still plan on reordering if the reviews are good.
[Other SmartWatches] flascrnwrtr:
They have replied to people in emails, that they are upgrading everyone to the "better glass" version and that they have every confidence that all Pines will ship in by sometime in March. No big deal. If they ship in March, they will still have done way better timewise than any other similar KS project. Look at the Pebble... they had people that had still not received theirs after a year.
[Other SmartWatches] Joost39:
Yeah, but its still disapointing - this what they wrote to me, no timeline;

Due to the inconvenience this may have caused, we would like to offer you an additional accessory of your choice for free to add to your order. Please send us an email atbackers@neptunepine.com*to specify your choice of accessory.

We will keep you posted regularly,

Thanks for understanding,

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[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
I do agree Neptune didnt give timeline. But in this case, their having tough time putting manufacturing to date which is in China. We should realised by now China is having a Lunar Years and their timeline of holidays are always a week earlier and a week after which brought them between 2 - 3 weeks of No Business. Its like this is their policy. Myself personally have ordered some products from there, and guess what, they're going to send them after 8 Feb which i have made payment since last week. This happens everytime every year when i ordered in Jan end of week and early Feb.

Lets say Neptune did finished their manufacturing and all of Pines, we still gonna get it by end of Feb or in March..

Considering they also had to wait approval from FCC, CE and as well China Shipment and even manufacturing the whole 3+++ Pines if they going for the tougher glass.

So we might as well wait a little longer than having our Pine not so Pine Looking...

T28@HAM
[Other SmartWatches] bedwa:
I agree with what flascrnwrtr said. I was planning to wait till March so I could have the better glass anyways, so I'm not unhappy till then. I'm just glad that they are communicating issues rather than letting deadlines go by before talking about them.
[Other SmartWatches] ChrisFirerabbit:
Is the Neptune pine going to be officially submersible waterproof or just submersible waterproof only in emergencies? They clam, on their kickstarter that they are testing IP67, is that outdated info? Is it going to actually waterproof?
[Other SmartWatches] Uncle Louie:
Just received this response regarding the companion app...
[Other SmartWatches] jschall:
[MENTION=5008055]ChrisFirerabbit[/MENTION]: water-resistant, not waterproof.

Here's Alisha's non-answer:

"Hi Jeff,

We are in the process of finalizing the testing for the IP67, everything is going well so far.

Best Regards,

Alisha G.

Customer Support"

Sound familiar? Alishia G. is not able or willing to answer technical questions. I hope we can find some contact in Neptune sho can give customers some actual information.
[Other SmartWatches] ChrisFirerabbit:
Thank you. So that would mean that it cannot be submerged into water, correct? And thanks for being in contact with the android community in the XDA Fourms as well, its really helpful.
[Other SmartWatches] bedwa:
IP67 equals Dust Tight and Submersible For 30 min at 1m.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
[Other SmartWatches] ChrisFirerabbit:
Ah ok, thank you, I was question them a bit since they do not really advertise submersion as openly as other companies (.i.e: Sony, Smartwatch 2.0). Thanks for the clarification.
[Other SmartWatches] jschall:
[MENTION=5008055]ChrisFirerabbit[/MENTION]:

Here's what they say about water resistance on their Kickstarter page:

"We're working on a water-resistant IP67 coating that would make the Pine immersible up to one meter under water during 30 minutes."

The testing has been going on for three months. (It should only take half an hour, eh?).

I guess Neptune has failed the IP67 test several times, looking for the right coating procedure...
[Other SmartWatches] mos33y:
What iam more concerned with than water resistant on the pine is the screen res. I think it's too low.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
Coating with IP67 is another way to improve the waterpeoffing or resistant within 1m and 30mins time in water.

As far as look through many articles about it, we have some examples like the Xperia Z and its relatives after. They're using the same method by using coating techniques in their phones glueing internally. Those with xperias z and above, do break the screen and send to technicians at the phone shops. Only in sony service can recover the waterproofing back.

So what i mean is, since Pine having some holes that easily bring in water or liquid, coating is the best thing to do.

Only my opinion..:D

T28#HOX
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Why would one want to be able to submerge their wristphone?

Higher resolution would be nice but use more power.
[Other SmartWatches] jschall:
Underwater photography? Or just to take a shower?
[Other SmartWatches] jschall:
FCC Progress?

Has anybody tried to track Neptune's progress in the FCC reports? I cannot find Neptune Computer Inc from this search app:

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=N

Does anybody know a better way? (Of course, you could ask Neptune directly, but they would just say "We are now in conversations with the FCC and finalizing our certification process. Everything is going fine."

If that is so, then shouldn't we see Neptune Computer listed on the FCC site?
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
If it was higher the battery life would be terrible.
[Other SmartWatches] jschall:
Enter 2ABWU as "Grantee Code" into this search page:

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GranteeSearch.cfm

and you get:

Attachments & Correspondence	Grantee Code	Grantee Name	Mailing Address	P.O. Box	City	State	Country	Zip Code	Contact Name	Date Received

2ABWU	Neptune Computer Inc.	666 Sherbrooke St. W., Suite 1000	N/A	Montreal	N/A	Canada	H3A 1E7	Aaron Wilkins	02/24/2014

So, it looks like the FCC just received Neptune's application (and testing results?) three days ago (24 Feb).

The "Grantee Code" is the first part of the FCC ID. The second part is the authorization code. That should be issued soon, I hope.
[Other SmartWatches] bedwa:
That, or it just got pushed through 3 days ago. Kinda curious how much red tape was involved in this...
[Other SmartWatches] RudeReality:
I would like to know if this application is for the GSM version only, or does it include certification for the CDMA version as well? The timeline for the release of the GSM model has been well communicated, but I have heard next to nothing about the CDMA version. I hope this is not a sign of problems or set-backs...
[Other SmartWatches] flascrnwrtr:
Jeff, were you aware of the following, which would explain why your exhaustive attempts to get an FCC ID to this point have not borne fruit...

independent testing laboratories are now allowed to issue certification though the Telecommunication Certification Body (TCB) program. They can also issue certifications for other countries with which the US has a Mutual Recognition Agreement (MRA). TCB’s must be accredited and comply with Section 2.962.

The filing process is usually done by the test lab as a part of their service. The lab will compile the test report, photographs, and other items listed above. The TCB will review all application materials and, if the device conforms to the requirements, they will upload this information to the FCC. After the FCC receives the report they will add the product and the ID number to their database and their website and issue a Grant of Certification. At this point, the device can be legally marketed and sold. After certification, the FCC or the TCB may request a sample of the product to confirm ongoing FCC compliance.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
I would think both versions need certification.
[Other SmartWatches] RudeReality:
I'm quite sure they both do. Please, don't misunderstand, I'm asking if the current FCC application is for JUST the GSM version, or if they are also getting the CDMA version certified as well, RIGHT NOW. I understand they will need both certified...I just hope that I am not going to have to wait for the CDMA version to come out long after the GSM version, because the FCC application was put in later. If both are being certified as we speak, things look good...hence my question. I seriously doubt that the CDMA version will make anything near the March ship date, but due to carrier coverage where i live, I have no choice but to hold onto hope.
[Other SmartWatches] Uncle Louie:
I just received this response from Neptune...both versions will ship at the same time.

Now we just need to know if Sprint/Verizon well allow them on their network.
[Other SmartWatches] RudeReality:
You are the man! Thanks for that update. Now, just awaiting clearance from Sprint/Verizon for use on their networks...must say, kinda shocked at the news. In a good way.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Yes thanks! Now if Verizon will allow it on its network.....
[Other SmartWatches] RudeReality:
Found out I can get AT&T, so I switched out my order for GSM...rather not hassle with Verizon and their BS restrictions.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
Good for you RR...

Damn, why is march so loonnng...??

T28#HOX
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Still waiting for Verizon to do the certification.....
[Other SmartWatches] hackerse7en:
i've been searching and i cant find a proper answer

Does this watch have fm Radio?
[Other SmartWatches] bedwa:
Don't know either, but as soon as I get mine I'll redownload the Spirit FM app to let everyone know.
[Other SmartWatches] theoppositeman:
I have confidence it does have fm radio since its allso can be use for running which is a main concern for people mainly jogs or exercising.

:)

T28#HOX
[Other SmartWatches] hackerse7en:
let's hope it does have, cause its gonna make the diference between buy it or not, im really happy with my Actv, but he is a bit oldie, and now i will use Pine for running, so fm radio is a must, of course i can use internet radio but i only do have 100 mb per month,

What do u guys think this watch for sports?

Any preview for the arrival of the firsts?

;)
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
I am curious to know if anyone has received theirs?
[Other SmartWatches] Penguwin:
Last I heard, they have pushed back the shipping date to April 30th.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Hopefully they Will ship by the 30th.
[Other SmartWatches] :
Just seen this on their FB page.

I'm debating on getting one or not, what are majority of people buying this for? To replace their phone or what? How does it sync to your phone like the Gear or Pebble? Sorry, out of the loop but when I first seen it, I knew I wanted it. Just don't understand the reason for putting a SIM in it.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
I am waiting for Verizon to allow it on their network before I buy one.
[Other SmartWatches] :
What would be cool is if it could somehow be a second phone with the same number and synced with the device (sort of like Apple products) and then I don't have to worry about if I grabbed my phone or not, lol.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
I would go for that quickly, but I doubt it would be allowed
[Other SmartWatches] :
Actually, I think it would be possible, couldn't you just use Google Voice with this?
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
I meant Verizon would be unlikely to allow using the same number. More likely you would need to buy another line, but I could be wrong.
[Other SmartWatches] bedwa:
Yes. I'm ditching my phone, period.
[Other SmartWatches] :
Sarcasm.

I didn't mean to completely replace the phone. Just don't see why a smart watch needs a SIM card.
[Other SmartWatches] |SavageD|:
Yes, yes...We need more proof. @_@
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
So is it vaporware?
[Other SmartWatches] speedyink:
Santa will be here shortly to tell us.
[Other SmartWatches] Tweh:
Eh… still shady.
[Other SmartWatches] BBowermaster:
I bet everybody's pre-order money bought his ticket! =)
[Other SmartWatches] NeptunePine:
Hello all!

Thank you for your interest in the Neptune Pine. Please let us confirm that it is definitely not a vaporware.

We assure you that a video demo is coming very soon. We do not have the same budgets as Samsung or Apple. That is why you have not hear a lot from Neptune yet. As with any new technology products, confidentiality is very important. The communications team is working hard to show as much of the product as we can.

For more information, we strongly suggest you like the Facebook page. It is the best way for you to be updated with the latest news of the Neptune Pine.

As for the photo of the conference, our CEO Simon is already looking forward and thinking about the next generation. That is why he attended the conference.

In terms of the size of the Pine, we understand your concerns. We believe in Bigger, Bolder, Better. During the design phase, we had considered numerous display sizes. In the end, we decided to design the Pine with its current form factor because this size is necessary for you to easily type on a full QWERTY keyboard and to read your messages in a practical way.

As for the waterproof concerns, the Pine is not waterproof, it is water resistant so that you can wash your hands and walk in the rain with the Pine without any worries. We don't recommend that you swim with your Pine.
[Other SmartWatches] ronaldheld:
Comments on the previous post?
[Other SmartWatches] ClearD:
Hello, I have a favor to ask of you. I'm working on page 2 of my infamous comparison page of smartwatches, and the Pine is included, but my details are incomplete. Could you let me know if it has an accelerometer or NFC, if it's currently rootable, and what its water resistance rating is, if it has been issued one? Thank you. :)
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Non of them have nfc atm do they?
[Other SmartWatches] ClearD:
Smartwatch 2 does, and the gear has an nfc TAG in it, but not nfc itself.
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
I should have been more clear, I meant non of the stand alone android ones when I asked.
[Other SmartWatches] ClearD:
Ah, not that I'm aware of yet. But it wasn't listed where I was looking, so I figured I'd ask for clarification. :)
[Other SmartWatches] NeptunePine:
Hey!

The Neptune Pine does have an accelerometer but does not have NFC. It is technically not rootable. We don't have a waterproofing rating yet, since the water-proofing technology we're using is still being tested on pre-production units.
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Hi were can I find more proof of your devices existence? All ive found so far is a 18 secound clip and another short clip of the prototype. Most the photos on your site last time I looked were fake promo stuff.
[Other SmartWatches] vectron:
Great, now you scared them away :D Did you have to ask *tough* questions?
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Fair question imo
[Other SmartWatches] DorkyDev:
Your MotoACTV Root and Demo YouTube review sounded so enthusiastic, I couldn't stop laughing and one phase kept coming to mind for ya in that video "The Reluctant Reviewer" hahaha

You sounded like you'd have so much rather been doing something else other than the video. LoL

The comparison charts between page one and two of your site are missing a row on page one... It's the "Water/Dust Resistance:" row.
[Other SmartWatches] ClearD:
None of them had available ratings that I could find at the time, so I didn't include it. Just like I almost didn't include the "ANT+" row for the second page, but finally found that the smartwatch 2 actually HAS ANT+, so I felt it necessary to include it. :)
[Other SmartWatches] speedyink:
Oh? Well I guess it's not the most exciting thing in the world to do. Also it wasn't really a review (why do people think I'm reviewing things, none of my videos say review anywhere..). My video's just show cool things it can do. Rest assured, if I actually want to do a proper review of something, it will say in the video title.