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[Galaxy S 4 General] toker_X1:
I got my SGN3 today (European Model Sim Free), on O2 UK with 32GB Lexar 600x MicroSD

OTA updated to .. BUILD JSS15J.N9005XXUBMJ1 from MI7.

Model SM-9005 and mine has the Knox Counter, I called Samsung UK and they didnt know what I was taking about and passed me to the Repair/Technical Center. They said if counter was 0x1 then I reserve the right to charge the customer dependant on the fault. (My interpretation of that was if you 'root' your phone then warranty is void.

I have now decide not to root / run custom rom for now as the phone is new and may develop a fault (build quality issue on first run).
[Galaxy S 4 General] lyriquidperfection:
I know its a long shot but I haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere but remember the days of using the USB Jig to reset the binary counters on the Galaxy S and Galaxy S II? They then patched it on the Galaxy S II so you had to use a modified Jig Cable that reset the binary counters after flashing in Odin. Has anyone tried it with the Galaxy S4? Just a thought.
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Neah... Not even JTAG won't reset it :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
Have you really tried it or are you asuming mate?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Fornowagain:
Jtag reprogramming has been tried. If you read the thread its been covered.
[Galaxy S 4 General] niceppl:
When the bootloader was updated. The efuse in the mcu was blowed to match the version of the bootloader. That means only that version of the bootloader will boot the phone. Im wondering did jtag ..used the same version od the bootloader or a older version?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Fornowagain:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] medicus07:
Bad news...:(

Check this:

https://plus.google.com/+Chainfire/posts/LCfF5A9fsTG
[Galaxy S 4 General] Fornowagain:
Not good.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rubiks01:
Samsung was free but not now... Go on Nexus 5.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Lienot:
Same for me... Now I have installed custom roms, the google edition and so on but I had the new S4 (the new one with the infamous sticker on the side) and after the first install (wlan gmail dropbox...) it downloaded an OTA update.

I didn't do more but I had the 0x1 warranty void.

I should have contacted Samsung right at that moment, but now I have flashed to many different custom roms.... Strange.

CU

lienot
[Galaxy S 4 General] malamen123:
Why Samsung? Now i need bought one nexus. :s

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Febio:
Hi everyone. I'm new of forum I have an sg S4 untouched. Unfortunately I have updated to knox firmware. My question is the sequent: when the update for s4 android 4.3 kitkat with Knox&company comes out I'll be possible make a release which change flag to 0 x1 to 0 without knox reporting ?

Thanks a lot

Ps I ask apologise for my b1 level of English
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
Well this are really bad news.

It seems samsung goes for the company / goverment customers and does all it can do to get rid of the modding community. :thumbdown:

After all it makes sense to me: if you want a secure system better keep the hackers off your playground.

But beware samy, we like to play everywhere! :sly:
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Knox is here to stay.

It can't be bypassed (at least for the moment)

Once you get 0x1 there's no going back.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BlueChris:
The point is not to get 0x1.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mitky82:
You will get update to kitkat when GT-I9300 get their update...

Samsung lying every year for update and all go to shop for that. People will stay with that leak like SIII. They say we dont release update because we allready work on 4.4 and we release that. But we see 4.4 update maybe when they release galaxy S6... same thing every year...
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
Blame Google for the six months release schedule.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kasakka:
Will be interesting to see if someone can hack together a bootloader that allows 4.3 with older XXUBMGA based bootloader for example. Of course this won't help those who already tripped the switch...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hawke84:
Maybe but it won't be signed properly
[Galaxy S 4 General] donalgodon:
Yeah, that's exactly my thought as well. It's going to basically shut out any users who want to keep their old bootloaders (like myself) from ever updating to any stock ROM again. The Samsung=ROM Nazis: "No 4.3+ ROMs for you."

Goodbye, Samsung, come on, Nexus 5!
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Confirmit!

Tested 4.3 Leaked on MF8 Bootloader ! No wifi ... i fixed the sound issue but no wifi :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] nilezon:
I guess that will be fixable when we get the kernel source. I'm staying on MGA for now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] robogo1982:
I'm sending my S4 in tomorrow for warranty (build quality issues). I really hope they won't flash it with the new bootloader. I'll leave specific instructions for them not to touch it :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] atilla88:
Had every galaxy phone since the s1 and was really happy with sammy.

But this is just insane,sammy is becoming more and more like apple,

it began with the phones looking like iphones(which isnt bad) and goes further to **** like knox.

I dont think that knox was introduced to secure our phones,it was just a lame lie to the customer.

What they want is to make the first step in the locked down like iphone direction and every galaxy user should not tolerate this.

Anyway most of sammys customers give a **** about modding so sammy can keep their way

Nexus im coming
[Galaxy S 4 General] exprxp:
Sorry, your phone will be fully flashed to new bootloader.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Let me make it clear

There is no way to remove eFuse. Replace eMMC can help to downgrade it. DaSeul software we use it only to put new Efuse inside the eMMC, but not for remove. Also we have a new service bulletin from Samsung from now on we have to send back phone if phone KNOX flag set to 0x1

And I sent this to Chainfire
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
I don't know technically what knox 0x1 can say or can tell in court. But 0x1 in court is same as 0x0. Because if I flash a original firmware and send it to warranty and they deny claiming that phone was misused through false software they must to prove two things here in my country. Specific software that was on the phone on day x and hour y. After that they must to respond why they are monitoring me. That's a lot of problems to solve in court for them. At least here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] airuzzo:
Hi there, after lots of page i have decide to speak directly with some Samsung PR here in Italy.

I asked some questions about the eFUSE Flag and Knox and the response has been really clear and comprehensive.

Basically Samsung was tired of the constant repairs under warranty of modded terminals , overclocked or as they call them "tampered" with.

In practice the Repair service center will verify the status of the flag knox and for all terminals 0X1 will be issued a repair quotation and if the quotation will not be accepted , the phone will be returned to the customer unrepaired.

Simple and Clear.

p.s. sorry for Eng i have used Google Translation :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] dimkit:
I disagree with you , i am also following sammy from the first galaxy , but i believe that if sammy continues with the locking of their device , the fall will start . It is true that most of the sammy customers do not give a XXXXX about modding and rooting . But these customers did not wake up one morning and said " Sammy is building nice phones , let's go buy one" . All these customers have come to sammy from a few people like us , who like modding and rooting their device . For my personal experience i can verify this . I have 10 close friends(8 of them are samsung owners) who are not mod freaks , their are regular user , who don't even know what root is. These persons when they wanted to buy a new smartphone they ask for my opinion and i suggest them to buy a samsung phone. In 1 or 2 years when they will want to change their phones , they will ask me again and my reply will by much different .

Samsung gain the 1 place in smartphone devices because of the developers , if it loose them , the fall will start , it will not be immediate but in 1 or 2 years the first sign will appear and then will be too late , a new company will have gather all the developers.
[Galaxy S 4 General] 2dorr:
For me this Knox thing means - BYE SAMSUNG, HELLO NEXUS !!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
Then what would I have to do.is it good to buy I9505 SGS4 ?

Sent from your phone :P
[Galaxy S 4 General] jmw2207:
Fully agree and have had similar experiences with exactly what you said. Word of Mouth is so powerful these days and if something starts to peeve a passionate few then the fall will start with the rest.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shiryu:
If' you don't care about root or about warranty, it's pretty good choice. If you want best Android devce on market, buy LG G2. If you want root AND warranty, buy Sony or Nexus (or LG G2? I'm not sure here). If you want to use CM and keep warranty, buy Nexus.
[Galaxy S 4 General] timberwolf60:
Maybe phone came from China like Huawei smartphone. I am started to look into my next phone. Mostly bye bye Samsung.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
I do care.my s2 is rooted...:(

What do you think about htc one is it s*** compared with s4?

Sent from your phone :P
[Galaxy S 4 General] atilla88:
I hope you are right,im overall happy with sammy and its galaxy series (except for the s3,that one was crap)and i hope that they will stop this control thingy in future.

Can only hope that our great xda devs will solve this knox problem like chainfire did with the region locking(thank you chainfire)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jackdao:
I agreed with you. We can't stand here and accept those what Samsung has given us. Do We really fear, but FEAR = Face Everything And Raise
[Galaxy S 4 General] dimkit:
Sorry to say that and i am not trying to insult the great development team we have in XDA. But it is not in the hand of chainfire or any other dev. This i s clearly in the hand of Samsung . Samsung is a very big company and great developers are working for it . If samsung want the knox void to be broken, it will (they will leave one door open), if not, nobody will manage it . The developers who are working for Sammy are not stupid , they let us to be able to root , or pass the region lock, if they wanted , i am sure that they can tightly close all the locks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shiryu:
Great build quality good screen, poor camera and locked stronger than SGS4 :|

I'm afraid we have to end this offtopic ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
Today "default joes" meassure bar for tolerance is: money

So what you said is:

Theoretically: True

Practically: Wrong

As chainfire allready said, you would have to suit your seller not the production company. A lot of money will have to be protruded in advance to achieve something, a lot more then a new phone costs.

Who the hell will suit?

I can only imagine a class action lawsuit if there is enough coherence but this also would be a fart in the woods for sammy considering all the new customers they got from companies / goverment... :mad:

Thats really sad...

Somehow i like the idea of a malware app blowing the knox efuse in every samsung device and let sammys costomer centers be flooded! :o

Because we are legion! ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Lienot:
Knox - Warranty - Root - etc

There are a lot of reason to say goodbye to Samsung, but there are a lot of reasons to stay with samsung, too.

The S4 is the Smartphone with the best Sound (via Headphones) they overtook Apple. (There a lot of articles in the WWW about this - you can find them)

In the beginning there were problems with crackling with many headphones, but these are gone since - I think ...MGA

I am changing my phone and my rom as my mood changes.

Now I have the S4 again and the latest OMEGA Rom (4.2.2) with the great looking Alexander Theme and the "Moderate Sound" Volume booster.

I love it, when I read some threads about Sony Xperia phones and the luck or bad luck you have getting a phone with an open bootloader or not then I get scared.

There are still, especially for me , too many more + for the Samsung Galaxy's than -

I have my S4 and even if the bootloader is as it is right now warranty void 0x1

I still love my phone with the ROM I described above... :good:

Cheers to all of you

lienot
[Galaxy S 4 General] lmerega:
Guys, I really do not understand.

After reading all of this thread I was prepared for a Knox 0x1 when I installed the Djembey PreRooted 4.3 Rom.

This is my phone:

How is it possibile?

Why the Knox trigger is still on 0x00?

Thanks in advance
[Galaxy S 4 General] dimkit:
Because for some reason the prerooted leak does not increase the counter
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
How all the ppl ( that I know ) have " protection " on there phone... A malware app is needed to have aaaaaaaa. Goooooooood. Ratingggggggg on Google play to everybody will download it .. And let's not forget that needs to be singed by Google ... Won't passsss
[Galaxy S 4 General] MattBooth:
If you have the MGA bootloader, you can't install the 4.3 leak via CWM?
[Galaxy S 4 General] SeaFargo:
Economize the support channel ... Devs and modders are much less than simple customer

Knox is a smart idea to advertize a rock secure system all over the world, and to economize the support channel, both in the same time!

Devs and modders are much less than simple customer ...

We've gotta live with it ... :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
No mate we don't have to deal with it

If at the time of buying my s4 i knew that knox was going to be forced upon us I wouldn't have bought

I've just read a few articles that Samsung are planning on releasing the s5 as early as January next year because sales of the s4 have not been as high as they'd hoped for (could be something to do with what crap they are dishing out)

Well i for one ain't even touching the s5 while they're locking down the phones as they've started doing

If they don't change they're ways they are going to go the same way as HTC are today
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
Your phone isn't locked, it will just state that you messed with the system... But getting a HTCrap is a huge step backwards anyway. :p

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[Galaxy S 4 General] elesbb:
You've gotta admit that this is a bit ridiculous though, how they are claiming that modifying or rooting your system leads to hardware defects. Granted, it can lead to that. However, if a device is under warranty, and its rooted or with a custom ROM, how does that void a warranty? If you get a defective hardware, root, custom ROM or Stock ROM, its still defective hardware. I do understand idiots who have no idea what root is are flashing ROMs and such and bricking their devices, and claiming a warranty claim. I guess they ruin it for everyone. I do know if they ever put a flag ship device up for sale with Tizen, i will NEVER own a Samsung device again. Samsung used to be the best and most friendly towards XDA and developers/modders but they are beginning to become pricks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
We're the minority here... But hell, Android gets better with each release... I think that soon we won't need to modify the system anymore, maybe just rooting, who knows... By the other way, this is a ****ty excuse, "I won't get a X OEM device because they don't care about devs." Even without modding the S4 still is the best device out there!
[Galaxy S 4 General] shoey63:
I won't buy any more Samsung devices either.

SGSII and Note1 - superbricked fiasco on ICS.

Note 2 and SGSIII - Sudden death syndrome.

And now Knox crap. :banghead:

Samsung can shove it :thumbdown:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Danie1:
Really wonder if you guys have any info on whether this applies to all S4s?

I and my wife each bought an open european i9505 a couple of weeks ago (i.e. not from a carrier, full price in a regular electronics store) and we both went through all the updates (up until I9505XXUDMH8, I believe). Neither of us have the aforementioned KNOX-info in the Download Mode screen. I even switched to the Google Edition ROM about one week ago... Still nothing about KNOX on my phone.

Now on my phone the eFuse (if it is one) could be blown the second I go back to stock, but why does neither phone show at least the status KNOX Warranty Void: 0 ?

This may be a wild guess, but could it be that the phones we bought were in stock ever since they got there first shipment and that the first batch of S4:s simply didn't have an eFuse, yet? Also (and this may be OT), neither of us had the SIM region lock sticker on the box.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nilezon:
Interesting! I have an early revision of SGS4 (unlocked, not branded, no regional restrictions). I'm still on MGA, and I'm unfortunately not willing to upgrade to verify your theory just yet.

However, I find it unlikely that Samsung has integrated an eFuse into older phones (SGS3, Note2, etc), which means that they need to find another solution for the KNOX security on those phones. The same might be true for early revisions of SGS4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
Afaik KNOX will be on all following samsung devices, at least surely on the flagships.

They dont plan to support the older devices with KNOX as their hardware does not support it, KNOX is more then an eFuse.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nilezon:
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/21651
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
Thanks for the info mate!

Seems its a rogue attack, as the hardware had to be there from the beginning. :mad:
[Galaxy S 4 General] zabumba:
As of now at least we know what we can expect. And it's your choice to install this sh%$@t or not.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hawke84:
see this makes me wonder if it really is an efuse, i find it hard to believe that they have left an efuse in all old devices just sitting there wiating for future knox?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ardsar:
Efuses are not a seperate device. The majority of processors have them built in.
[Galaxy S 4 General] DjeMBeY:
Here we go again..

Another quick update...

I'm getting more and more reports from people who are using my Pre-Rooted ROM's and they kept KNOX WARRANTY VOID 0x0 after flashing, even if they were using KNOX bootloaders prior to installation... I can see a light in the tunnel.... :p

Here you have few latest reports:
[Galaxy S 4 General] nilezon:
Read this:

TrustZone-based Integrity Measurement Architecture

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/security/samsung-knox#con01

A theory:

The KNOX flag (eFuse?) is set as part of a ARM TrustZone policy, based on the integrity of the bootloader and the kernel.

As long as the kernel is stock, the KNOX flag remains 0x0. I.e. stock kernel and pre-rooted system => no voided warranty flag.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bogdan1980:
It's an stupid idea, is the downfall of Samsung, just like Htc did few years ago when they thought they were *Apple * of that moment. And it near bankruptcy them.

Now Htc had an website where you could unlock the bootloader, it not enough for some users to start buying them again, but it's an small step in the right direction.

Sure is not for all, not for me, my future phone need to be bootloader lock free, super easy to root, battery removable, microSD on-board.

HTC needed at lest 10 years to gain their market back, but with Sammy move Htc and others need to think Big to overthrow sammy.

Now Sony, LG, Htc, Huawei, if want to gain Sammy costumers they need to release phones without bootloader, easy to root, without triangle away like sammy, with micro-sd. Is that simple. Samsung is history.

Samsung now is like Windows Vista, Windows 8, an immense failure.

Look at Apple, few years ago they were at 99% of smartphones market, now they are at 10%.

And it's time for others to win an big chunk, look at LG android software, it's the best in industry.

Users don't give an piece of hair on Samsung, they bought their phones because they was much powerful then competition, at least with galaxy series, now Exynos is history, Qualcomm is back. Now we don't care what brand is an phone, they all the same regarding performance.

First one who market bootloader free, microsd, removable battery will win big time.

I don't root my phones because I'm an hacker, or an thief, like Samsung think, i root it because :

i need to know cpu, gpu temperatures, need root, worth android tuner.

I need to see what frames per second games have , to see if an phones is good or not, it need root, FPS Meter. Now with this crazy HD resolution even S4 had 20-30fps in latest games. Thats why 1280 resolution is the maximum for phones, at least for people that knows about this.

I need titanium backup. Need root.

I need custom kernel, for better performance, changing iq, governors, sd cache, oom settings, etc.

I need call recording, need root.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
Nah, bro, HTCrap never was big as Samsung is. And like you said, Sammy does devices with features people need, it will be bad for 0,01% of its users, like you. ;)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
No worries mate i ain't gonna get a HTC I'm just giving an example of how Samsung will end up if they carry on pulling the same stunts as HTC did

My neighbor had the HTC one and i wasn't impressed with it at all

I just want a phone i can customise to my liking not how Samsung wants it to be by forcing knox on us
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
But that's the thing, you still can! In the other hand, if something goes wrong you'll have to deal with it, that's all... I don't see why you guys are making such a drama, my old S2 was brick bugged using a custom kernel and they fixed it under warranty.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Lol ... I would like that one op will change the name of this topic on off topic or htc vs Samsung or even general .... But not research :)) because is done the research on Knox ...
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Yeah but can you downgrade if you don't like newer firmware?

Will Samsung repair knox warranty void phones?

Will Samsung change their minds and give us what we want?

Samsung have gotten to big for their own good their arrogance proves that
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
What is stupid for me is you install once a custom kernel and they back to full stock and warranty is void. In older s3 and s4 you old get rid of the triangle crap after a full restock. This is unfair.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dandroid13:
The normal user won't even care about downgrading... I don't know if they will do it, but if you pay for it it makes no sense to not do it.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Yeah but knox is affecting non rooted users too
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mack_75:
And? What's the problem? If i understood right what i've read in this case there is no problem on flash custom roms while new bootloader is installed. Just the flag were set to 0x1 and you have no longer the given warrenty by Samsung and can't use Knox features. But warrenty you everytime lost when flashing a custom ROM. Formerly you could set back the counter before sending back your device, and makes Samsung believe, that you never did that, but was that legal? I'm no lawyer and can't answer this question.

A central question for me would be following situation: I don't want to use Knox and install a custom ROM, i like and a custom kernel and a custom CWM. My flag will be set to 0x1 and i can't reset and it is impossible to use Knox. But if I later want to use my device in my company, where Knox is neccessary, I understand, there is no option although i could install a clean Stock ROM. This can't be true!
[Galaxy S 4 General] shoey63:
The problem is, Samsung wants to void your warranty just because you like to root your device and flash ROMs and kernels. So what? Is it illegal to want to experiment?