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[Galaxy S 4 General] toker_X1:
Some customers has been refused repair because thier Knox was 0x1 by Samsung UK see link.

You must be lucky! :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2547223

I went via CPW and they fixed my screen under warranty and my KNOX 0x1.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
That's exactly the problem spot on! .... different answers and warranty even in same country.

Samsung (or some lawyers) really need to give a clear answer about this KNOX circus.

We all need to know how, and when, we as consumers are protected! :mad:

More than 300 have attended in my poll about KNOX and majority already have KNOX 0x1. A lot don't care, but many do!

Maybe we should find a good lawyer and break the arm of Samsung?
[Galaxy S 4 General] toeshot:
That being the case I have a misunderstanding about eFuse then from what I have read on it on IBM's website. Since there has only been two settings for this that I have seen, being 0 or 1 I would think it would be doing some AND checks in the bootloader. So could changing out the boot loader solve this? If it is just software related.

Makes me think twice about getting a SGS5 next year, no matter how much they try to improve hardware/software.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bishkek:
Hi everyone!

I just want to share with you guys that I rooted my SGS i9505 with CF root and knox flag was tripped to 0x1.

I flashed the custom rom and i got bootloops and i tired of fixing that issiu. I went to Samsung service center in Dubai and they reflashed the MJ5 stock firmware.

Later when I checked in Download mode Knox flag it was 0x0. I guess I am lucky because I have my warranty back. Sorry for my bad English.
[Galaxy S 4 General] IberianPrince:
All the uncertainty and devious behaviour from Samsung has persuaded me to sell off my S4 after just 6 months... I can't/won't tolerate the behaviour from Samsung, and I won't be returning to them any time soon, either through telecommunications or audio visual appliances.

They've really lost a long standing customer here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] acid123:
Can kies software trip Knox if your updating the firmware and it crashes,

Cause I blamed my issue down to windows 8.1 and kies and that the firmware crashes during update,

And flashed stock uk firmware for my device before giving it in,

Also as it was from EE at the time heard about devices getting sim locked again,

So after dropping my phone off,

Sent samsung a email regarding the issue,

I was then given my same phone back still unlocked,

If you check the repair progress online and it says gone to level 3 then you should get your phone back fixed,

My mates note also went to level 3 and got it back fix with knox0.0,

Also I flashed the stock rom twice, made sure there was no root,

Reset the device and then booted into recovery to wipe date
[Galaxy S 4 General] lorenzo122:
I have a galaxy s4 with android 4.3 rooted without the knox flagged (NEW BOOTLOADER)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Michal Z.:
Could you give us more detail? How did you do this? And some screenshoots would be nice too...
[Galaxy S 4 General] lorenzo122:
Simply, i used the method of Vroot and i used the Vroot cleaner. I don't know to do recovery screen :(, if you can explain me how to do. (Sorry for my bad english, i am italian)
[Galaxy S 4 General] magikmichael:
I did it with kingo... cant talk about it here. But it didnt trip my knox counter. It will when i would flash custom revovery and custom rom. But only root was fine knox still 0x0.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
No. No warranty gets void triggering knox.

Just imagine, when you bought the phone it came sealed in a box. To read the EULA you need to open the box. Mount your phone and turn it on. Inside the box there's no paper linked to EULA. You must to agree with terms and conditions on the phone when you turn it on. You can not decline the terms and conditions and after that return your opened box to the retailer just because you didn't agree with T&C.

So easily this EULA story and warranty void is a bull...hit.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Kingo is a dubious chinese app that quite possible harvest your phone and pc for sensitive info and sends them to a fat chinese bloke.

Also, there are quite a few reports (inc. mine) of cases in which it alone triggered the knox counter.

Vroot seems better.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jrhoop:
Im guessing that im 0x1 as ive flashed unbranded firmware and rooted to remove even more bloatware oh yeah and custom recovery - all within 12 hours of owning sgs4 :D .....but my question is how do i find out? Where is this flag that you guys keep mentioning?!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kwbmm:
You need to boot into download mode.

Vol down + home+pwr
[Galaxy S 4 General] toeshot:
I have heard this scenario before but I have not heard it hold up in a court of law. Would be interesting to know if it does or not.
[Galaxy S 4 General] _alex74_:
where is the news????

if u read well, here on xda is a good tutorial of how do it, in fact doing my home theming, i need even modified recovery and work on deodex ROMs...

If u are here, most probably you have installed a custom recovery and deodex Rom, so having only a root from my point of view is useless.

Which is your point?

I exactly (and most of the"reading before posting" community) can do this, but not interested for flashing and modding purposes
[Galaxy S 4 General] juicyjor:
ahahaha. right, but too late for that. thanks!
[Galaxy S 4 General] lorenzo122:
:good: , In our italian community i wrote a guide to obtain the root without flagging the counter through Vroot and his cleaner ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kwbmm:
But still there's no way to unflag the counter, right?

Where's this community? :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] jon3sh:
Kingo anf Vroot no difference.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2516942
[Galaxy S 4 General] Absolon:
Yes it is and my cell-provider doesn't give a **** about Knox-flags nor counters. As long as the phone is broken, not by software but by hardware I have my warranty. I have that on paper.

In the warranty that comes along with the phone it states that I'm not allowed to install any other operating systems.

That means that I can't install Linux. Because nobody can deny that the OS is Android and not TouchWiz. I

do agree with them that they won't support any other then TouchWiz. If my phone is broken somehow I will Odin them a Touchwiz because I'm a nice person ;)

They enforced Knox on us without an opt-out. It's not even meant for consumers in the first place.

I'm not even sure that Knox is legal in EU at all. A company that has full control over your OWN PHONE? For what purpose?

I call it spyware. And I think I will reg myself at 30 Android forums next week and go out and say that. Why not? Disprove me.

I can't say that Knox includes, can anybody?

I tried last week but then started to ignore me so I'm going up "a knotch" next week. Don't want to speek to customer support anymore.

I want to speek with their boss instead. About them ignoring my questions. They are the first line support designated by themselves.

Ignore a customer?

I don't think so. This is not America. ;)

And yes, you can be sure I will bring this up with our consumer governmental branch if they continue.

I tripped my Knox yesterday. I OWN MY PHONE. I do what I please. If they destroyed my phone with an e-fuse THEY broke it. Not me.

Since my provider doesn't give a **** about nor Knox or counters they will have to battle it out with the largest cell-provider in Northern Europe.

So good luck with this Samsung because I have all the time in the world and I'm free to have a theory about that Knox is spyware.

"NSA can control your phone!"

Wonder how many will buy a Samsung after that? ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] [opensys]:
Questions...

Is possible to flash other modem with knox warranty at 0x1 ?

I try odin, and recovery and flash the modem without no errors, but the modem don't get applied, the base band remain the old one.

This is consequence of the knox ?

If I flash the stock kernel, the modem can be applied successful?

Thank you
[Galaxy S 4 General] Joku1981:
If u have issues with the baseband not changing, do this.

1. Use Odin in DOWNLOAD MODE

2. Untick Autoreboot

3. Flash modem

4. Reboot manually into Download Mode using (Vol Down + Home button combi)

5. Flash Modem once more

6. Once done, unplug then reboot device manually.

7. If this doesn't work, try repeating the flash process again while rebooting manually and with auto-reboot option turned off.
[Galaxy S 4 General] frostmore:
lucky you where u live in a country who actually protects consumer and citizen's right.

In my country and region SEA (singapore) we have as much rights as those in North Korea. We cannot even have a say what we want or do not want to have installed in our phone.Let alone the ability to remove them.

that brings to another point,i bought the product,i own it.i can choose to do away with certain parts of it,its my right,so why do we have to agree with all the restrictions samsung impose on us and let them have control over our fone.

Do you allow MS to have control over your PC jus because you bought and use their software?
[Galaxy S 4 General] szczeslaw:
Is someone forcing you to give a company full control over your phone? No. IF you want to use your own phone for company use, than you also have to respect their security policies. Every company enforces those and they are right. It's their data they are protecting.

If you want to have company phone and it is using KNOX, then again - it's their choice, their security policies, their data.

It is normal, that if you have company laptop it is using company build with enforced policies, security enhancements and user does not have admin right. And this is ok for anyone. So why are you b....g so much when somone wants to do it with the phone?

If you are not using your phone for the company use, than you just don't use KNOX features. Easy as that.

So yes - it is legal. It's an option you do not have to use.

Do you have any prove that it's an e-Fuse? Because gathering all the info from different sources I THINK it's probably certificate issue. About the same stuff as Sony is using. And in their case certificates are deleted once you unlock bootloader. This is probably the same case.

And yes - you own your phone and you can do everything you want with it. But don't expect manufacturer to give you warranty if you mess with the firmware. You wouldn't expect a car maker to service your car on warranty, if you i.e. tuned it from 150 bhp to 250 bhp and engine broke down? It's also only a "firmware" change...

Do you have any proof on KNOX beeing a spyware? If not, than for now keep it to yourself and look for the proof.

BTW - NSA can probably control every phone now - no matter if it's Samsung with KNOX, clean Android, iOS or WP...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
I agree with you - not thinking KNOX is some kind of spyware, and I accept that my company enforce security ...

I also accept that I will loose SW warranty when I "mess with the firmware" ... that's cool enough ...

But I still can't accept that I loose HW warranty!

On a PC you can mess around with OS and SW all you want, but if HW parts like HD or Graphic Card breaks down, everybody agree that your covered. Whats the difference?
[Galaxy S 4 General] lorenzo122:
Ok , but is there a cleaner of kingo tool? Because kingo and Vroot are dangerous software. however kingo or vroot it's the same
[Galaxy S 4 General] BrX91:
I wrote an email to Samsung support in polish, and I received this answer today:

You can translate it in google. They told about changing KNOX = warranty void. So if someone will find out how to change 0x1 to 0x0 then we will be free of limitations.
[Galaxy S 4 General] szczeslaw:
Well, if you mess i.e. with BIOS (doesn't matter if it's MOBO or VGA) you also loose warranty. They probably treat phone FW like BIOS in PC. And considering how easy it is to OC your phone once you're rooted, can't really blame them. There's probably a lot of phones bricked due to OC.

Besides i already said that in my previous posts in this topic - every one here is blaming Samsung and wants to move to Sony or HTC. But it's EXACTLY the same story there: unlocked BL, rooted phone=no warranty. Samsung was just much more "liberal" UNTIL NOW.

And it's not like it's harder to modify KNOX phone. It is exactly the same as it was - you don't even have to unlock BL on the website, like with Sony. You just flash different firmware. It's just that now you loose warranty ALSO for Samsung. With Sony and HTC it was always the case.

Only phone you can modify without loosing warranty is Nexus now + some Chinese phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
not to forget moto, which even reinstate the warranty on unlocked devices...
[Galaxy S 4 General] btmz:
they said this: translated it with google or something. Or some german member may translat it.

Seit einem ROOT Versuch steht mein Galaxy S4

GT-I9505 Android 4,3 auf KNOX 0x1

Könnt ihr das wieder auf 0x0 zurücksetzen ?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

A:

ja das können Wir machen.

Kostenpunkt 20€ zzgl. Rückversand 6.90€

Frage 2 :Erst mal schönen Dank für die schnelle Antwort am Samstagabend.....

Dazu kämmen dann natürlich noch die Versandkosten zu euch !?

Würde ich dann alle meine Daten verlieren, auch meine Rootrechte ?

Danke für die Auskunft

Antwort 2 :

Die Daten werden weg sein, rootrechte auch auch wir können es wieder Rooten wenn Sie dieses möchten einfach bei schreiben.

Richtig die Versandkosten zu uns auch noch.

Edit:

okay I was on the phone with the shop. he told me only that they currently have too many orders to do this. But is is possible! The only information I was able to get was: This can not be done on the PC.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
This shop isn't serious. Look, that they wrote on a german forum about it.

http://www.handy-faq.de/forum/showthread.php?t=243003

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9505 mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] jonndwest:
Samsung does this with OTA - Example: MGA BTU receives OTA update with size less than 2 MB which includes only aboot, sbl and rpm files

Therefore, it is possible to modify

As for the service - for me this are the latest stories
[Galaxy S 4 General] KOLLEGAHNEXUS:
knox sucks.! but i give a ****..
[Galaxy S 4 General] [opensys]:
Thank you, seams that the secret is flash two times in odin but with battery removed, between the two times.

I make a tar file to odin and flashed the modem + non-hlos with version XXUEMK9 seams ok :) thank you.
[Galaxy S 4 General] btmz:
Thx for the info!

But i was just looking for the answer whether it is possible. and if this shop can do 0x0, then others can it too. I have chosen this shop, because it was addressed in another forum.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jonndwest:
I watch OTA Update zip (MGA BTU) size is 1,21 MB

I said above - it contains only aboot, sbl2, sbl3 and rpm files (csc patch also)

with this file Samsung changes its bootloader, but here we could not do anything

only with 1.21 MB
[Galaxy S 4 General] frostmore:
the thing here is about choice.

some ppl would prefer to tinker with their phones and would prefer to have a unlocked bootloader in order to do so.they void their warranty on their own and its their choice.and HTC gave them that option to do so.

with knox,there is no such choice.we cannot have the option of having a unlocked bootloader,we do not have a choice to remove knox,we have abide by knox rules of which app is ok to install and which is not ok to install. and if we install an app that is not knox approved,our warranty gets voided????!

when did consumers start taking instructions from phone makers on how to use their own fones???

why did u think so many ppl move over from crapple to android?last i heard,crapple made the news when steve told them how to hold the iphone 4 correctly so that they can get a better reception.and samsung is now telling us how we shld use OUR fones?

knox is an enterprise solution aimed at the enterprise market to compete with blackberry.if the enterprise ppl want such functions in their phones,they pay for it and all is fine and well.enforcing this solution on private consumers like us,who at most have animal porn on our phones,is ridiculous.

what should be is this,if we want to install knox,we choose to opt in and pay for this,if we do not want and we want this off of our phones,samsung should be obligated to remove it.you cannot enforce your customers to use a software that restricts their freedom of use or put in place certain rules to the detriment of private citizens if they choose not to follow samsung game rules.

samsung is a big korean company with a big korean culture where "i am the eldest/oldest,thus i know better and you should listen and respect me" and they are enforcing something which none of us have agreed to or want to.

the argument,if you dun agree with their EULA,don't buy their phones,does not apply here since the EULA is only presented to you AFTER you bought the phone.do you read about the T&C of a contract AFTER you sign it or BEFORE?
[Galaxy S 4 General] szczeslaw:
But KNOX bootloader is not locked. You still CAN root your phone, install custom recovery or custom rom. There's lots of people on this forum, that prove it's possible. So no - KNOX bootloader is not locked, it "just" voids your warranty once you flash something without Samsung signature. Oh - and after flag is tripped you're no longer able to use KNOX, but since for some people "it's just corporate c..p", why do they even care?

It's not like Samsung never tried to void your warranty when you breake their rules. Remember binary counter? It's the same. The difference is, that thanks to Chainfire we are able to reset binary counter, but we are not able to reset KNOX YET. So what really changed? Only the fact, that for now we can't reset KNOX flag, as we could/can reset binary counter. Once we learn how to reset flag, the situation will be exactly the same as it was.

Most of other major manufacturers have done that for the past few year, and i have never seen such histery.

KNOX doesn't trip the flag when you install some software. It only does that when flashing something without Samsung signature. Period.

So the user that doesn't modify the phone has the choice: not to use KNOX if he doesn't care or protect his privacy by using KNOX and it's encrypted container.

User that modifies his phone doesn't have this choice (actually he does - he can choose not to modify phone), but since majority of such users doesn't give a damn about KNOX software, it's ok. They also loose warranty, but officially they always lost warranty. We were just able to cheat Samsung. Now we don't know how to do it yet.

Does it sound like a choice? It does to me.

System is not locked. You're only mad, because you cannot cheat Samsung now, by telling them "hey, i have never modified my phone".

And everything points to conclusion, that KNOX flag is not an e-fuse, but most probably some certificate thing (like in Sony, where when ulocking BL, DRM certificates are deleted from the phone). Samsung CAN reset the flag, so it cannot be an e-fuse.

Employer cannot make you use your private phone for work. In most cases it's employees choice, as in many cases people are not happy with phones they get from company. So this is a way to secure such devices. Ever heard of BYOD concept?

I think you have already sentenced Samsung and you want THEM to prove you wrong. And when they do not answer your questions, you treat it as a proof. THAT IS faulty logic.

Sorry - it's you that have to proove them spying, before you call S4 a "spy-phone", and before you say KNOX is a malicious software.

Not guilty until prooven. That's the way it goes - not the other way around. I know you're from EU, just like me, so you may be confused - yes, in EU often it is other way around. But that's just not right and not fair.

So until you (or anybody else) prooves that KNOX is malicious, it's spying on us etc., KNOX is just a (for me nice) feature. And you are just angry because you lost your warranty, and don't know how to cheat Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] drive7:
This is a bit of a cheap distortion, if I might say. There are plenty of people out there who, when they pay several hundred dollars for a device, wish to have full control of it. In the ideal world—and, I suspect, the way most people on XDA would like it to be—the warranty is there for when Samsung's hardware QC fails. That seems fair. There are very few people here who want to cheat anyone. Clearly there's a whole grey area where Samsung can claim that a hardware fault was somehow caused by improper software, but this just seems like a case where capable power users are being punished for the behaviour of a minority of idiots.
[Galaxy S 4 General] squabbi:
Hi all!

This isn't about the S4 but on the Note 2 - N7105 model.

The 4.3 Touchwiz update brought the new bootloader to the Note 2 as well with the Knox warranty on it as well.

Mine got triggered when I rooted it via [MENTION=631273]Chainfire[/MENTION] 's odin root file. Triangle Away removed the binary counters and the custom binary count as well, but the Knox Warranty is still on '1'.
[Galaxy S 4 General] szczeslaw:
Yes, i agree with you. BUT... There's always a "but" ;)

Everyone keeps blaming Samsung for this, but in reality EVERY manufacturer of EVERYTHING does that. Usually they even call their warranty a "limited warranty", and there are lots of exclusions.

Take cars for example. Some time ago EU had to force car manufacturers, by changing the law, to respect warranty if you're using after market spare parts or non authorized service centre.

But before manufacturers refused to fix your car under warranty, even if you, for example, have changed engine oil in non authorized service centre. Did that make any sense? No.

If you buy i.e. a dishwasher, usually it has to be installed by authorized service and you have to have their stamp on warranty card. Otherwise your warranty is not valid.

And there's tons of examples like this. Does anyone make a big deal of it? No. Usually you just call service to install your dishwasher, right? Why don't you fight for your right to do it by yourself?

It's manufacturer's right to invalidate your warranty in certain cases. And it's your right not to buy from this manufacturer. Easy as that.

And inspite of what some say - in Europe you have return policy. So what if warranty terms and conditions are closed in the box? If you read them and don't agree, you CAN return the product to the seller, even if box has been opened.

I know, that some exclusions are stupid, but what can we do? It also pieces me off.

But i also don't like people flaming Samsung here, as they would do something terrible. NO - they did exactly the same thing as all other manufacturers! It's just that until now they were more liberal and somehow "spoiled" us.

And i understand Samsung. By flashing you can brick your phone. There's tons of examples on this forum. Why is Samsung supposed to pay for their stupidity? And just to avoid paying for some peoples stupidity, manufacturers (not only Samsung) are punishing also power users, who know (or at least think so) what they are doing. Tough luck...
[Galaxy S 4 General] jonndwest:
So what?

it is clear what you really want

Today my phone died

after many many experiments today with only one wipe and then he just flashed some files gone

no download mod ,no recovery mod

(Very easy to kill)

Tomorrow - service - hope to return with reduced software