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[G2 General] WACOMalt:
Well, on the bootloader topic, It looks like the Loki patches may be applicable (basing this only on the trend for LG's recent phones) I just grabbed an aboot dump of my phone and will be sending it along to the devs of that. hopefully we can get some experienced words on what the possibility is of an unlock.

Can you link me to the HDR app you use? the one I've been using has not impressed me. it seems to fail to adjust the exposure no matter what setting I use for that.
[G2 General] Kurant1:
Hey bud,

I am using the same app. I would agree, it does fail to get the exposure correctly most of the time. I only tried it because I've noticed in the preview even before you take the picture, the shots I'm messing around are not washed out - even with the exposure not being correctly adjusted in the final picture, the whites in the background are shot correctly. In the standard app, it is awful.

I truly believe it's software. Without root, or custom ROM's you may never see a fix from LG.
[G2 General] robstunner:
Auto everything
[G2 General] WACOMalt:
ah yeah, I didnt notice that. This is definitely interesting. The preview in HDR Camera+ isnt as washed out by default. I guess I can set it to save the original images and just use them :P

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How the heck? ... Are you sure you werent in HDR mode? I'm jealous. Here is me, on a cloudy day, with Auto-everything

This is the best I could do, I had to manually meter on the bright areas of the tree to get both areas somewhat in range. With just a straight shot the sky is gone completely.
[G2 General] robstunner:
Positive because I took an hdr as well.

Here it is
[G2 General] WACOMalt:
Well dang.. color me impressed. I have yet to see anything with this range from my camera, auto, or controlled. My HDRs look ok though, but not as good as that one.
[G2 General] geoff5093:
I'll say it again, for me the camera is awesome! Here are some samples.

These were on a cloudy day, can't wait to get some vibrant colors.
[G2 General] deeznuts:
Yeah seems weird. Don't have the device yet but EVERY review on this device by respected websites/reviewers all say how amazing the camera is and all have at least 15 pictures taken with device and ALL look stunning! This is the only site where i'm seeing people talking about slow shutter speed on taking pictures as well as taking videos producing a blurry video recording in movements. Maybe just some bunk devices out there??????

Maybe start a poll of people happy with camera and those with issues to see what's really out there?
[G2 General] citytrader:
The picture you shot is horrible, colors are bad and you are having reflections. The coating of the lens are very bad

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In your shoot there are vertical lines visible on all sky, this picture is without retouching?

I know this are limited pictures from a phone camera, but what I saw here are very bad pictures.
[G2 General] robstunner:
I'm a "average cell phone photographer." Aka yes, no doctoring of the photo.
[G2 General] citytrader:
I'm not judging your way of shooting, I'm judging the output I see here and what I see as technical from the camera is really bad.
[G2 General] robstunner:
Gotcha. I don't even see what your talking about I have no lines at all.
[G2 General] Cheesejam:
I am a definite average photographer. I just walked outside, auto everything, and snapped this one picture. Looks pretty good to me.
[G2 General] citytrader:
I retouched the image in Photoshop and you can see clear the vertical stripes, mostly problems in the software
[G2 General] citytrader:
This looks fine, a bit underexposed, but the colors seems natural
[G2 General] Hardcore73:
Excellent picture.
[G2 General] shea-bird:
couple from the last day or so...the camera is a big step from my N4, so me happy ;)

the one of my pup could be a little clearer, but I did not manually focus and he was moving around...all in all I am very pleased and I use my phone camera a lot.
[G2 General] jayochs:
hahaha he looks like a human in that.
[G2 General] WACOMalt:
Well I need to reshoot this. I didnt think anything of it at the time, but it was shot through a probably not so clear window. That could very well be the main reason. I'll do some more serious testing tomorrow. After comparing with my Gnex it seems the camera almost always stacks up to even with it except for a few rare situations (talking ONLY about range here, the crispness is no comparison) And I think those few situations may have more to do with how the metering is done in LGs camera app than the camera itself. I am very happy with the camera. Just some software changes Id like to see.

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I just put up a thread about satisfaction with the camera. Feel free to vote so people get a clearer view of how good this camera is. I dont want my and a few other's pickiness to deter people from thinking it's a good camera.
[G2 General] citytrader:
A couple of suggestions, try to use spot meter if present metering to the sky, sharpening should be zero or at minimum, if you shoot moving objects try to disable optical stabilization.

I thing with this cell phone it should be take special attention because seems that it underexpose the pictures a bit.

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The votation wont be accurate, because there are people that says "fantastic picture" when the picture is bad, so the votation will very subjective. Its a cell so I wont expect so much from its cheap sensor camera (this is valid for all mobile included the Lumias)
[G2 General] shea-bird:
lol funny u say that...his expressions have commonly brought on similar comments. He's a good pup, I'll try and get some more tomorrow.
[G2 General] WACOMalt:
I don't think spot meter is available in stock app. Nor can I choose the sharpening. Nor can you disable OIS. I wish I could on each front though.

As for the poll, I think while it won't be accurate (can any opinion based poll be considered accurate?) I do think it will give a better at-a-glance idea of the overall satisfaction, which I'll bet will be high.
[G2 General] wargreymon89:
I was taking a look at the media_profiles.xml and noticed that you could still apply some of the tweaks that were done to improve the Optimus G camera. Like putting ImageEncoding quality to 100, let it use more memory, higher bitrate on video/sound etc. Someone should try this out.

Also, someone think we could use this to enable 4K video or 720p 120fps?
[G2 General] jayochs:
didn't LG say this phone supported 4k? also, yeah I'm hoping a dev or someone does make some edits and put together a hq camera mod.
[G2 General] wargreymon89:
No, but Snapdragon 800 does. If the camera module supports it maybe modders or LG can add it in the future. I think its pretty funny LG didnt add it since they had a nice lineup of 4K TVs at IFA (some even for pretty mortal prices).
[G2 General] WACOMalt:
$K video would only happen if the camera app were modded as well. But in theory this WOULD enable apps to utilize that.

I modded media_profiles.xml on my galaxy nexus to get ~45Mbps video, I'm definitely going to try that on this phone. Will update with successes/failures.

I want to know how to bump up the image compression quality. To me it looks like it's around 80% right now.
[G2 General] wargreymon89:
Look for this:

<ImageEncoding quality="95" />

<ImageEncoding quality="80" />

<ImageEncoding quality="70" />

<ImageDecoding memCap="20000000" />

For OG we changed quality to 100% and memcap to 40mb, audio was changed to 320kb. Please do experiment and post results. Will be nice to see how much we can press out of the camera.

EDIT: In the bottom of file you have the 60fps mode, I wonder if pulling up the bitrate on this would help with the stuttering people have in low light?
[G2 General] aznmode:
Had my G2 for two days and I have the same issue. Shooting panoramic is pretty hard as well and I can't move too fast or the picture will get blurry.
[G2 General] :
For me it's not hard. It even guides with a path. If you follow the path, try not to move to fast and align the picture taking moment with focus moment it works like a charm
[G2 General] aznmode:
Ya just takes getting used to. Just got spoiled by the s4. Every panoramic shot came out good no matter what.
[G2 General] jayochs:
i know. and did anyone notice how low quality the panoramic shots are on the G2? it's like, they're 1mp or something. the quality is afwul.
[G2 General] hoola20055:
Snapped a quickie while working on the car

Original

: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=DE542CBF1CCBB337!5339&authkey=!AAOL4z0wrvgb110&v=3
[G2 General] imucarmen:
I just noticed today that by default the camera is set to 10mp. I changed it to 13mp and the quality is better.
[G2 General] d.cortez:
can you clarify your comment: "default camera is set to comp".. do you mean image size? thanks!
[G2 General] imucarmen:
Auto correct. I meant 10mp
[G2 General] ericbeige:
Cnet posted a camera shootout pinning the G2 among top smartphones and it came on top. Why are people having so many miniscule problems? I'm getting nervous in my purchase decision :eek:
[G2 General] mdroid60:
Just something to complain about I guess. That said, the focus could be faster, but its a much much better camera than the Gal Nex
[G2 General] chdrummerdude:
I feel that unless im outside the video quality is poor. My s3 can snap a lag/judder free night time video. This thing cant even do it in a well lit room. I hope its just a software thing. I picked this up over the s4 because of the good reviews and the cutting edge tech in the phone. But is it worth it if my s3 can take a better video than this thing in almost any situation. I will say this, it takes amazing pics as a camera. I really hope the video can improve in some way.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NXF_K79jNg

Thats the s4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ZDplkl984

And the g2

Kinda disappointing
[G2 General] freebee269:
i feel the same way. it takes very good pics, but the video mode falls behind my old gs4. i had hopes that the ois would help alot with picture and video. it does for pictures, not so much for video. if i'm not outside getting plenty of light it is like the ois is not even there. as soon as i go inside my house the video becomes very blurry. i find myself comparing it to my lumia 1020's ois. my 1020 inside my house doesnt even care if i'm outside or inside, it keeps my video's blur free regardless. my other friend has a lumia 925, her's is the same result as my 1020. maybe that is where i'm getting disappointed. should just face it, noone does ois or camera tech like nokia. that is the ONLY disappointment i have with my g2, everything else i am happy with.
[G2 General] xyltha:
apples oranges

I am not suggesting that the video mode is not inferior to the s4 but to be fair the two videos you use to compare should be in similar conditions. Phonearena actually has a video of that same intersection for the g2 and s4. I feel the video is the weakest aspect of this camera in regards to certain conditions and with the less than stellar focus lock, lens breathing, etc. My gripe and suggestion is that for everyones benefit we should be careful to be accurate when we compare.

I do agree the vid of the lizard is sadly out of focus, but that was a vid with built in led of the g2 on a white wall that is likely difficult for most phones to focus on. I assume LG is using a contrast system to focus and a washed out white wall must be tough on it.

Anyway, just trying to be helpful so we can all make better informed decisions.
[G2 General] lyrical1278:
I know I have issues with the saturation of whites myself. But I'm learning it also depends on what I tell the phone to focus on.
[G2 General] EVOme:
I used it a lot this weekend at a indoor party and found it to be a bad camera. Any slight movement caused fuzzy images. I grabbed my GFs S4 a few times. The focus is so slow as well. All this i bet can be changed on a new rom.
[G2 General] chdrummerdude:
Xyltha i agree, my bad on the videos. I took an indoor vid with my s3 and g2 side by side and the s3 just is sooo smooth. And thats with good lighting in my apartment. Does it have to do with the ois? I just want to be able to take indoor vids without lag. Then i could be 100% content. Wonder if the nexus 5 will have this issue???
[G2 General] xyltha:
Hopefully the focusing schemes used can be improved along with the auto modes. There are trade-offs that have to be made for low light and fast moving objects etc and the g2 is not optimized yet. Sadly we do not have the ability of aperture, shutter, manual modes to lock in what we need to get a good shot. There is no free lunch with photography in general, and low-end cameras especially. Either you get poor IQ from a high iso or you get a blurry image from the shutter speed, etc.

My assumption is that in order to play up the low light abilities of the phone due to the OIS, LG has allowed for slower than reasonable shutter speeds in their software. We all hope that whatever the root cause is, it will be addressed by either LG or some savvy programmer. In the mean time perhaps we can keep sharing tips for getting better pictures and videos from our phone.

I will try to do what little I can to help, since I am not a developer and I really enjoy this community.

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Choppy preview in low light is possibly due to how a camera generally operates. If it takes 1/30th of a second to get in enough light based on the aperture [ the diameter of the lens opening ] to have a decently exposed preview in decent light, what will happen when the light gets dim? The reasnable thing is to increase the the time the shutter is open to let in more light and/or increase the ISO/sensitivity to brighten the scene. My assumption is that the preview on the g2 needs some tweaking to optimize that balance. Boost the ISO more for the preview rather than lower the frame rate.

I rattled this comment off based on educated assumptions, I will now go research this topic *wink*
[G2 General] WPWoodJr:
Try sports mode and it should choose a faster shutter speed.

Sent from my Verizon LG G2
[G2 General] fr4nk1yn:
This thing either takes great photos, and yeah, it can take photos that don't have the sky blown out, or it takes crap photos.

This is a good example of the ghosting that happens in marginal lighting.

I've tried all the settings and even other apps. When the photos "ghost" there's a 3 second pause even with other apps.

There's something going on at a hardware or ROM level.
[G2 General] vegetaleb:
I have read somewhere that it's the 9 points auto-focus that slows down the camera,perhaps if you can reduce the 9 points to 3-4 it would be much faster.

Anyway nobody tried a third app camera app??

My HTC One has lot of focus problems in low light because the camera can slow the shutter speed to 1/7s which is too slow even with OIS,my old OneX was better :eek:

So finally the S4 is better than G2 because of over-exposure and ghosting?
[G2 General] kayrune:
I just got my phone a couple of hours ago, so having fun testing it now. And I must say I'm a little worried about the camera.

It's dark now, so I've only done some low light testing and I did some photos of the TV and my PJ screen (not sure if this is valid test) but the result is scary reading what others have experienced here. In a tv still shot where the brightest color is yellow, so much of it turn out all white, even caramel colored people - all white. The overexposure is ridiculous, even in HDR mode it's way overexposed bright colors.

Also the screen seems rather laggy.

But I'm really happy with the low light performance, especially when no bright colors are involved.
[G2 General] aznmode:
Can you try panoramic and tell me if they come out clear or blurry? It's really sensitive.

Also from what I read online the G2 goes only up to 5mp on panoramic vs 40mp on a device like a samsung s4.
[G2 General] GlassForest:
I don't have my G2 yet but it sounds like some of you are just having issues with exposure, especially taking pictures of a TV screen. It can be tricky to get that right. Does the stock camera app not allow for manual adjustment of exposure etc? Can you install something like Camera Zoom FX or are third party camera apps not working on this device yet? I'm a little worried to hear that people are having difficulties with the G2 camera because a lot of the reviews made it sound amazing, I take pictures all the time and was definitely looking forward to having a phone with a better camera. On my Bionic I constantly have to adjust exposure myself and fight to get a good picture, I don't want to keep having to do that.
[G2 General] kayrune:
I cannot take panorama indoors it's just all blur . The image came out as 3824*1008 and 500kb
[G2 General] kayrune:
I've uploaded some point and shoot outdoors pictures (I'm no expert)

As you can see the panoramas are low res and suffer from blur, but much better compared to indoor panorama test. The biggest problem imo is the low image quality.

Some of the pictures are almost against the sun

1st picture is normal mode point and shoot

2nd ditto against sun

3rd picture panorama, the sun is on the left side

4th sun in the back, short panorama

5th grass with frost in the shaddow

6th ditto with sun/shaddow

7th another panorama low res and partly blurry, you see the sun on the left

8th HDR

9th normal shot

10th IA

https://plus.google.com/photos/116291536558855851867/albums/5930070880122354305
[G2 General] woof123:
The panoramas are low res we know that already from the 1st reviews.Hopefully Lg will correct it (along with some other cameras fixes too and maybe some added features?) in a new firmware upgrade.The developers here also im sure they will make some really good camera mods :)
[G2 General] crawlgsx:
The camera is definitely slow but when you are still it takes great pics. Hit or miss I guess. I still like it better than the camera on my One/NoteII/N4 for overall quality but taking moving shots not so much.
[G2 General] kayrune:
They are not only lower res but also lower quality, I think I've seen it mentioned before when you edit picture they become low quality.
[G2 General] vegetaleb:
I don't understand this panorama thingy,you mean if you take a photo in landscape mode or using a special photo mode or it's 16/9 mode?
[G2 General] kayrune:
If you edit a picture on the phone, it is saved as a low quality picture, smaller filesize. I believe the same thing happens when shooting panorama. The filesize is much smaller than normal.

A normal photo is 2,5-3MB, a panorama photo is 0,5MB, actually after double checking normal photo was from 2,5MB - 7MB. Panorama was 0,5MB to 1MB.
[G2 General] joeynox:
Outdoors the g2 is great, in lowlight its garbage. My Lumia 920 destroys it. Not even a competition. The g2 is pathetic in medium to low light
[G2 General] kayrune:
I just did a no flash test under the desk G2 vs 920, the G2 was far superior. Hoverever with flash the G2 is rubbish, extremely overexposed.

disclaimer, point and shoot test, normal and night mode.

The G2 also takes forever to focus in low light though.
[G2 General] Crooke356:
Personally, I've had nothing but good experiences with the camera on this phone. I have the S4, X and Note 2 to compare to and in my opinion, the features that are comparable, are best on the G2. Video is one area where the others simply cannot touch. I've never tried a windows device so my opinion isn't relevant in that regard.
[G2 General] WACOMalt:
That is correct. I installed the AOSP camera and gallery. While the camera is only shooting up to 8MP (probably a bad version of the camera app) the gallery edits are saved at their full size. Even if editing a 13MP picture taken with the LG camera app.
[G2 General] joeynox:
[MENTION=4146984]kayrune[/MENTION] how did you set the settings. I put my Lumia 920 on 400-800 ISO exp 2/3 nightmode and low light almost pitch black rooms light up and are beautiful. The viewfinder is fast and works great. On the g2 nightmode is and the same scene is complete washed out and full of noise , the viewfinder is barely usable. If you go normal mode and set it to 800 it its simple a black picture.

If you set the 920 & g2 to normal modes and 800 ISO the 920 (mine) will produce a great pic along with a viewable viewfinder where as the g2 is poop. Now I did this also at the wedding I was at the other night . I had the g2 and 920. My bro inlaw had is HTC one. The low light photos were good on the 920 followed by the HTC then G2 . Also the flash was never used because that defeats the purpose of the low light tests.

Also the g2 can't focus for **** under certain lighting conditions . Which makes video terrible.

This is disappointing for me because I wanted an alternative to my nokia920 wp8 because wp8 has poor battery management.

The g2 cam is very good just not for fast moving objects,lowlight, or lowlight video. Otherwise its great.
[G2 General] vegetaleb:
Can someone try this app,it has some autofocus options that could help http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2427019
[G2 General] kayrune:
@ joeynox I'm a point and shoot kindo guy, did not tweak any settings, just use normal and night mode. Fired off under the desk where it is dark. Maybe the 920 is capable of better shots but for an amateur the G2 gave me best result.

The camera app on 920 is sweet for advanced options though.
[G2 General] jayochs:
I'm giving it a try now. cool!

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wow that lenovo camera app seems awesome!! and in video mode you can turn off continuous auto focus which is great.. problem is, you can't manually focus if it's off... so if you set the focus first then turn it off it won't do the breathing it seems.

also many many options for camera and it supports 13mp. seems pretty cool!
[G2 General] woof123:
One thing i dont like,the camera for indoors lacks detail,it processes the pictures way to much.And makes them pretty much unusable...only hope i think its a modded cam from devs.Cause i dont have hope for Lg to correct it.
[G2 General] WACOMalt:
Tried it. I will say I like this app way better than the stock one. But the problems inherent to the phone are still there. It seems like we will need firmware level adjustments to really get this sensor to its full potential
[G2 General] soapinmouth:
This exactly the problem I'm having, if anyone has a way to deal with this please speak up.
[G2 General] kayrune:
I just did a quick test,

1080p recording in both 30 and 60 fps, inside a store. Panning, and both look like crap.

30FPS

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ap117lmii3omt85/CAM00061.mp4

60FPS

https://www.dropbox.com/s/85c4r02k3bn1fyf/CAM00062.mp4

When I look at file details for the 60fps clip it says it's 14 fps !!!

Anyone else ?
[G2 General] :
I think you were doing something wrong. the camera is great on this phone.

first take off protection. lol.

if you have issues bring it back
[G2 General] kayrune:
No protection on camera lens, I actually think it's the motive that is the problem, camera can't handle it. Other indoor and outdoor test are much better, although they suffer somewhat from the panning stutter. I will do more testing on this.
[G2 General] jayochs:
yes all indoor lowlight videos are ALWAYS 14fps. this camera cannot handle low light videos whatsoever. all my indoors ones, even with bright fluorescent lighting came out to 14 fps. it won't hit 30 or 60 unless the damn sun is your lighting.
[G2 General] Elvecio:
Seems that the videos have dynamic frames per seconds, in low light situations it reduces the fps and makes the image brighter.