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[Galaxy S 4 General] conquesoextra:
Gals just a pretty basic question here.

Ive been confused a little by some info a page or so back.

Im one of the luckys whit 4.2.2 oficial.

I have two days reading and reading so I just want to confirm.

In order to using customs whitout tripping Knox i should:

- Root

- Flash a custom recovery

- Flash customs Knox free

¿Am I OK? ¿i understand everything?

Cheers for help

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[Galaxy S 4 General] MisiuKP:
Yes, you will be OK.

Only stay away from bootloader update.
[Galaxy S 4 General] conquesoextra:
Perfect!

In fact I received the OTA update but I rejected it.

Let's flash like crazy!

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[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Just don't flash new firmware !
[Galaxy S 4 General] conquesoextra:
Never!! :)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] lilibar:
hello!

i have stock rom 4.3 on my sgs4.

can i flash a custom rom without triggring the knox?

thanks///
[Galaxy S 4 General] Irfy84:
After servicing the phone I received the knox bootloader with android 4.1.2! Just want to make explicit, that it's possible to have just the knox bootloader updated, without the system. The only way to be 100% sure is to go to download mode and see if there is any mention of knox. If no, then you're safe doing this.
[Galaxy S 4 General] joiN85:
You have i9505 with 4.1.2 android and knox bootloader?

can you post your aboot.img

is important thanks
[Galaxy S 4 General] Irfy84:
No, I have a N7100 and I've already tripped the knox bit by flashing a CM backup. Does it still help?
[Galaxy S 4 General] engblom:
I just received my n7100 back from warranty service after the motion detectors broke. Now I have a KNOX-enabled phone.

Samsung is a low quality brand and warranty service might be needed at any point. I have spent hours on google trying find a way to install a custom ROM without tripping the KNOX counter. Is there any reliable way to do it at all?

Somewhere I saw something called saferoot.zip for gaining root in original ROM without tripping the counter. Gaining root is not enough, as you still need to get rid of the boot loader in a safe way before you can begin using other ROMs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bordo_Bereli51:
you can't downgrade the bootloader.

there is no way to flash custom things like kernel, recovery etc without tripping knox flag.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Irfy84:
Pretty much the consensus is no, absolutely not, right now. Sorry mate.

Edit: On the quality topic -- I got a screen replacement... and a faulty capacitive button. Screen rim wasn't fitted properly as well. What the hell?!
[Galaxy S 4 General] pitastrudl:
afaik s4 never had 4.1.2. it shipped with 4.2.2

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Galaxy S 4 General] maverick7777:
Anyhelp please

Hi guys

Just got another s4, had one around a 8 months back and have now replaced again. At the time I updated my old one and then found out about knox!!.

With this new one its currently on 4.2.2 i've gone into download mode and this is what it says

product name: GT-I9505

current binary: Samsung official

system binary: Official

CSB-OEM-CONFIG_LSB: 0x30

Write protection:Enable

Can anyone confirm if i'm ok with know, I have read a bit about it and from the last time but would like to confirm 100%

Also if i'm not does that mean as long as I dont update with Samsung f/w i'm ok?, if so can anyone recommend

A: a simple root and recovery installer

B: a decent rom, maybe s5 rom?

C: once ive installed new roms if something goes pear shaped can I send back to Samsung?

Many thanks

Mav
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
You are from Knox.... Don't worry
[Galaxy S 4 General] camerona:
Dont worry your pre Knox. I recommend cyanogenmod.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Irfy84:
I have an N7100. I know it's an S4 parent forum, but the knox discussion is kinda general, so I'm here.
[Galaxy S 4 General] coolkoushik07:
In my case there is no knox bit in odin mode.. but i got warranty bit in odin mode.. is it the knox bit?

Sent from my GT-I9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] Irfy84:
You mean the download mode? If you have no line mentioning knox, you should be okay to flash at will. Just to be sure, can you post all lines, exactly as they are in your download mode?
[Galaxy S 4 General] coolkoushik07:
Model

System status

Binary status

Warranty bit

Sent from my GT-I9500

---------- Post added at 07:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:13 AM ----------

And i have 4.3 official stock rom pre loaded with my s4

Sent from my GT-I9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] Irfy84:
I must say now, this sounds like knox. My N7100 had product name, custom binary download (counts), binary status and system status. It got two new lines after bootloader update: knox warranty bit and "ap swrev". Now I'm really afraid to tell you to flash, maybe someone else can compare with their i9500 and tell you definitively whether this is knox or not...
[Galaxy S 4 General] viktorak:
Hi,guys,I have one SGS I9305 whith 4.3 Knox bootloader, Stock.I have a question:What will happen when I flash a stock 4.1.2 over the 4.3 .

It is possible,or ?Thanks:(
[Galaxy S 4 General] coolkoushik07:
It is not possible and if h try then ur knox will be tripped..

Sent from my GT-I9500
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bordo_Bereli51:
Warranty bit = Knox flag
[Galaxy S 4 General] bimmerdriver:
Haven't read to the end of the thread yet, but in case your question still hasn't been answered, according to Samsung, if the knox e-fuse is triggered, the phone will no longer support creating new knox containers or opening existing containers, so the answer is yes, knox will no longer work. Since I am a noob (this is my first post), I can't post a link to the reference "About rooting Samsung KNOX-enabled devices and the KNOX warranty void bit" from samsung, but it's on the Samsung Knox website. I was planning to get a GS5, but due to this, I may get a nexus 5 instead.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Zoran1:
Hello, I'm a real Samsung fan used the galaxy S1 and the Note 2.

I bought the S4 i9505 on the release date (my birthday) When Knox was introduced I quickly tripped my flag in order to flash cwm. I regretted that later but couldn't change it back. Last month my camera stopt working after a fall to the ground. I sended my phone back where I bought it (bol.com) they sended it to an official Samsung repair service.

And three weeks later I received my phone back, they replaced the whole mainbord. First thing I noticed was that the boot sound was different and when it was fully booted the wallpapers were different. I quickly found out somehow I got a black edition. My question is: Are there any hardware differences in the black edition? Or is it just Software related?

Also my Knox is 0x0 again! So I can say that the Knox status don't mean squad here in The Netherlands!
[Galaxy S 4 General] MatangaChanga:
Got my S4 replaced

I had my S4 replaced today after the external sd cards were not being recognized by my phone.

I was afraid they would check for the 0x1 flag but they didn't.

I got a brand new S4 and I think I wont root until my warranty expires, just in case....
[Galaxy S 4 General] Diomorgan:
If you use Amazon.it warranty they 99% won't check if the knox is 0 or 1.

I sent them back a phone with CWM and custom rom on it (cheap Huawey, but still €100 item...).

I sent even them back a digital terrestrial decoder and I forgot to put the remote in, and they didn0t care at all.

So if you buy from amazon I can almost be sure to don't care about knox...
[Galaxy S 4 General] EnigmaRaptor:
I just pre-ordered 2 Galaxy S5s and later discovered this debacle which we know as KNOX. I fully planned on rooting/flashing ROM on these phones, so I got on the phone immediately to verify with Verizon. They confirmed that the KNOX flag will NOT void warranty. I know this doesn't cover every phone/region/carrier, but at least for US Verizon (phone model was not specified in my question) they don't care about the KNOX flag for warranty.

Hope this helps some of us sleep easier.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RatusNatus:
Im using Phenix Rom 7.3 on my 9505. This is android 4.3.

I want to flash some new ROMs with 4.42. Some say to flash bootloader with Odin, flash Modem(Odim) and then flash NEw ROM in recovery.

Other just say to flash the ROM then modem by Odin.

Is there a problem flashing 4.42 straght: Of course 4.3 modem wont work and ill need a new one.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CleanSolidness:
what relation all this talk with Knox
[Galaxy S 4 General] RatusNatus:
Let me explain in a different way.

I want knox. I want it and 4.42 rom.

To have Knox avaible at my phone do i need to flash the bootloader first or can i flash the 4.42 rom straght:

By the way, is your post related to knox:
[Galaxy S 4 General] pitastrudl:
Your post doesnt have anything to do with this topic. Please direct yourself to the Q&A section. Anyways, just flash a 4.4.2 stock rom, flash recovery and flash rom.
[Galaxy S 4 General] CleanSolidness:
you read several times what you typed
[Galaxy S 4 General] nellisere:
I've updated to 4.4.2, but realised I don't like it. I understand that you can't downgrade, but what about if you remove the aboot.mbn file and flash with Odin? If you have a 4.3 ROM with the 4.4.2 bootloader, is it going to be fully functional?
[Galaxy S 4 General] CleanSolidness:
whatever you do will not get

option is to downgrade but you need to use custom kernel

or custom rom
[Galaxy S 4 General] nellisere:
Ok that didn't make much sense. So if I use a prerooted 4.3 rom and install through a custom recovery, I have to use a custom kernel?
[Galaxy S 4 General] CleanSolidness:
after downgrade problems with Wi Fi, calls and various other can be avoided with a custom kernel

you must be aware of these things after using custom ROMs and recovery
[Galaxy S 4 General] MrC85:
Remove aboot.mbm and both modem files (NON-HILOS and Modem.bin)

I have done this several times and it works (send receive calls, wifi, sound etc. all working)
[Galaxy S 4 General] BabelHuber:
As soon as you flash a GE ROM, your warranty is void anyways.

So you do not need to care about KNOX one bit.

I got my SGS4 in July, I used stock, GE, CM 10.2 and now PA. Why should I care about this at all when my warranty is gone anyways.

Additionally, I have an additional warranty from my carrier. If I brick my phone I get a new one anyways.

A little bit OT:

I am perfectly OK with Samsung's approach here. They need to have a good security feature to get it certified by companies for corporate phones and BYOD.

OTOH you can still just enter download mode and flash a recovery if you o not care about KNOX at all.

This is a much better approach then e.g. Asus' one. It took me weeks to unlock my Asus TF700T, because the Taiwanese Asus server did not know my device. When it worked I had to mess around with adb and command line tools like fastboot.

I prefer Samsung's approach, thank you. Some guys complaining about Samsung here are in for a nasty surprise when they encounter devices where you cannot just boot into download mode and fire up ODIN.
[Galaxy S 4 General] samkuek:
Up to stage of installing CWM will not trigger the KNOX warranty void flag, because android system is still untouch. However, once the system is rooted with CMW causing the system signature to change, then KNOX flag will raise after reboot.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mackovich:
Thank you!

So can we hope that in a neat futur we might be able to root without voiding the warranty?
[Galaxy S 4 General] oj_alltagshacks:
I know and I don't care. But my questions are still unanswered:

1. Does the KNOX thing mean that I cannot root/install a custom ROM (I would like to install Google Edition) or does this just mean that if I do so, there will be no warranty from Samsung any longer?

2. If it is still possible to install a Custom ROM (which is, what I assume), is it also possible to go back to the stock ROM (I know that this will not reset knox warranty void status, but I don't care) in case I want to sometime?

Many thanks in advance

OJ
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shiryu:
It just mean that if you install GE, there will be no warranty ;)

Yes, Knox doesn't change anything in terms of flashing.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bluefa1con:
samsung isnt the first one to do something like this, actually they are one of the one that joined the party late

Sony devices have the TA partition which is wiped after u unlock the bootloader and the device can no longer access the recovery partition (recovery needs to packed with the kernel after that) or use sony drm stuff (even the camera on Z1 is broken after bootloader unlock)

although the location of TA partition was found and it can be backup and restored to return to factory stock state but if u lose the backup u can never go back

every manufacturer is seem to be doing this one way or the other

u need ur imei number to unlock sony and htc devices which can be used as a possible way to refuse warranty

someone needs to step up and talk some sense in these companies, the warranty should be on hardware not software
[Galaxy S 4 General] SuicideFlasher:
Crap... just bought an S4 mini, the LTE variant. My use of phones is still limited to games, internet and listening to music, therefore I need advice

I'm going to tinker with it sooner or later, and I expect the KNOX warranty to not be eternal (naturally), so I guess when it expires I will be good to go ahead with flashing etc. Am i wrong? And what about ODIN becoming useless, things getting locked down and stuff like that? I read this whole thread from OP to end of page 21 and I got one hell of a mess in my head now. So is stuff going to get screwed up for good or i will just get one number changed in the bl and nothing else?

Besides, this "you got the flag, you are alone" thing sounds a bit nazi to me :eek:

Sent from my scytheaxe
[Galaxy S 4 General] BabelHuber:
This is exactly why I think that Samsung's approach is the best one - some companies like Toshiba deliver completely locked devices only, others like Asus make the unlocking process annoying and others like Sony mess everything up like you just described.

And Samsung: Boot into download mode, start Odin and flash a recovery. Done. Easy. Simple.

Side-effects:

- No Knox anymore (obviously, otherwise it would be completely useless)

- warranty void (after all, a recovery allows you to flash OC-Kernels, so you are able to overheat and damage your device)

Additionally, it is almost impossible to brick an SGS4. As long as the download mode works, you can always flash Samsung Stock Firmware.

So I do not understand the complaints here. IMHO Samsung makes a good job in trying to satisfy business use cases while at the same time keeping the device open for enthusiasts like us.

So the guys ranting about Samsung should show us a device where this is done better - while getting certified by the DoD (or comparable organizations) at the same time!
[Galaxy S 4 General] chickentuna:
Has anyone tried getting warranty with the knox warranty flag 0x1?
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
BEST WAY !!!!

Make Insurance on the phone! When you have a problem ... kill it, smash it ... etc ... you will get a new phone

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YES!

The problem is: SONY - Unlock bootloader -> TA, DRM gone -> NO BACK UP = NO WARRANTY ( You are luck if you have backup )

Samsung - KNOX Flag -> "damaged" eMMC = Hardware warranty ... ( till now only by replacing the eMMC you can get rid of knox )
[Galaxy S 4 General] bp328i:
I have read every post in this thread and have not seen this asked or brought up once. I'm getting the Note 3 and I have always rooted all my phones knowing farewell that I'm voiding the warranty . So I'm not to concerned about the counter reading 0x1

My question is if I ever sell the phone (after the 1 year Samsung warranty is up) can I put it back to stock so it will receive OTA updates for the next owner?
[Galaxy S 4 General] donalgodon:
I highly doubt it. I suspect that this is going to be Samdung's approach with all devices from here on out, and it's likely to get worse, not better.

But, don't you feel "safer" knowing that Knox is "protecting" you?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bp328i:
So basically once you root you will never be able to receive OTA updates? That really kills any resale you might have....
[Galaxy S 4 General] dingila:
After knox 0x01 updates only in Odin :(

Because your status always is custom
[Galaxy S 4 General] donalgodon:
And those Odin updates will typically include newer more "secure" bootloaders, unless the packages have them specifically removed.

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Yes, I think it does, but most buyers probably don't know enough to check the download mode status.

I'm done with Samdung devices from here on out, and this attitude is exactly why.
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Yes you can get OTA.

I did it on my i9505... So this thing with i dont know but let's say that is like that... they dont have what to do on the forum

1. Samsung will REFUSE your UNIT if KNOX 0x1

2. OTA you will GET

3. You can downgrade but only the kernel and software ( NO BOOTLOADER )

I answer 99% from all this thread

EVEN if should been a Research thread

I will sacrifice my non KNOX unit to prove you all this thing's in a video. ( somewhere in the mid of next week )
[Galaxy S 4 General] bp328i:
I hate to say it because I love their Note line but unless something changes or a dev finds a way around it I won't be buying anymore either.

I really could care less about the warranty but I like being able to return to "stock" for OTA updates prior to selling the device. I don't like trying to put one over on someone who buys a phone from me and most users don't root.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MrBoC:
HI, im using i9505 with the frimware XXUDMI1. baseband XXUDMI1. can somebody show me how to root my phone. thanks:fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy S 4 General] bp328i:
Ok, so you're saying even if you root and trip the Knox counter to 0x1 you can put the phone back to a state where it will still receive OTA updates?

If so I'm ok with this...

Also I read ever pot in this thread and if this information is in here somewhere I must have missed it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Beefheart:
Flat out wrong you say. I tell you what, flash a Cyanogenmod or AOKP based rom to your Galaxy S4, damage the home button so it doesn't work (which clearly has nothing to do with the ROM), then send it back to Samsung for repair under warranty. Then we will see who is wrong. Sorry to have to tell you this but I personally know two people who have been refused repair by phone manufacturers for physical defects for no other reason them having a custom rom on the phone at the time of repair. So it's not 'flat out wrong' at all.

And the above ignores the already established fact that Samsung refuse repair on phones with 0x1 Knox flag.

Oh, and I never said flashing custom roms SHOULD void warranties or that it's WILL cause physical defects. But I flash roms to my phone knowing that, should I not be able to reset it to factory state before it might need a repair, it more than likely won't be done.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nellisere:
Didn't realise you had to remove the modem files, I removed the aboot.mbh but it kept saying the md5 didn't match so it wouldn't flash.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bpodnar:
Hi all! I have i9505 from T-mobile Croatia and we didnt get official firmware update to 4.4.2 KitKat yet so I decided to upgrade it myself with ODIN. In Croatia there are 3 major carriers and 2 of them have branded firmware (its T-mobile and VIP). Third one is TELE2 and they have clean non-branded firmware. Here what I've done, downloaded TELE2 official firmware from Sammobile and flashed it with ODIN 3.09 and now I have official 4.4.2 firmware without brand and whats more important Knox warranty flag stays on 0x0. If you guys want to update from 4.3 JB to non-branded 4.4.2 KK just look which carrier in your country have it and be free to flash it via ODIN. Its no harm to your device and warranty isnt void! :)

PS. your device doesnt have to be rooted or something!
[Galaxy S 4 General] E:V:A:
HELLO!?

A number of people have contacted me regarding the Knox Warranty

flag, asking me to help them in the research of trying to figure out a

way to avoid it. After having half dozed through a few pages of very

boring blah-blah talk, I've come to the following conclusion.

IF having a triggered Knox Warranty bit/flag is:

NOT preventing you from flashing custom ROMs

NOT prevent you from getting root

NOT preventing you from developing cool siht for Andriods

NOT preventing you from using all you phones features,

apart an encrypted block, as developed by the highly

skilled, educated, world renowned, and extremely secure

Samsung mafia, who still insist on security by obscurity.

A container which you'd be much safer replacing yourself,

anyway.

NOT preventing you from getting you broken phone replaced

under your country's local warranty laws. (Which is exactly

how it should be!)

allowing you to see if your phone or a new/used phone has

been tampered with, previously.

WHO GIVES A FCUK!?

Seriously! I love Knox!

Apart from being another dirty marketing trick by Samsung, that

someone (we) have to pay for. It's use for providing any kind of

security is ridiculous.

So what you have to do research on in this thread, is how to

change the legislation where you live, to ensure your phone is

open/unlocked and has full warranty, just like anything else.

PS. Or did I miss something?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] SeverusSnape:
[MENTION=4372730]E:V:A[/MENTION]

I hope you´re damn right

Regards
[Galaxy S 4 General] h8Aramex:
KNOX is not a bad thing. The feature itself, not the flag.

There are phones that got no alternative firmwares still (like mine.) And 4.3 sucked hard.

So if you venture to CM land for example, your KNOX is tripped.

If you are fed up with bugs, then you won't be able to use Knox even if you go back.

You get the point..

ps.: I mean sure there are CM and whatnot, but none of those were bug-free so far. Yes, quite a people try to help development, and like mcampbellsmith works hard on them too, but it's still not there yet. And when I went back to 4.3, I missed KNOX. Either you have an easy pin or it's a hassle to unlock the phone each time you want to use it for anything. (KNOX at least had a second layer, so even if the attacker stole the pin/guessed it, my important data was safe.)
[Galaxy S 4 General] MrC85:
Yes, in order to flash it you will need to make a new signed TAR package, you can do this on *NIX terminal using the below code (it can be done with Windows using Cygwin)

1) Navigate to the directory with the files

2) tar -H ustar -c CONTENTS_GO_HERE > package_name.tar

3) md5sum -t package_name.tar >> package_name.tar

4) mv package_name.tar package_name.tar.md5

replace CONTENTS_GO_HERE with a space separated list of contents i.e. system.img cache.img hidden.img etc. Once its done you can flash it via Odin.

The above procedure has worked fine for me on several phones (all I9505's) but make sure you backup etc etc just encase.

Not sure what it will do to your KNOX status though, I tripped mine ages ago... :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] nfribeiro:
Ok, but with the flag on you can't use for example the private mode in the S5 or payments validated by the fingertips and in the future Samsung can limit other functionalities. Maybe devs can help us on this...
[Galaxy S 4 General] xXsquirr3lsXx:
I mean. Its OK. But I do not appreciate what they pulled off after MDK. If you break your phone, that's your fault. Plus if you break it you are probably a kid trying to have the coolest phone at school. If you are like a normal dev, you should be able to customize your phone as much as you want.