[Galaxy S 4 General] Absolon:
SAMSUNG SOAP Season 2 part 6

Got a new answer from Samsung today. They are "working on an answer".

Since I didn't get a reply from "Fort Knox" I went back to the source, my designated first line Samsung support and told them they should probably

use their own channels since I think people in USA doesn't really grasp the consumer laws in EU and/or Sweden.

Not calling them stupid but as I look at the threads it seems that you over in US has a rough situation when it comes to warranty.

And I experienced that myself when I was stupid enough to buy something "overseas" that broke quite soon to get it fixed.

Got a email to the producer in Singapore that answered me "Yes. Check our new version"....

So 5 mails and counting...

My questions to them has condensed to this:

1) Does tripping the "Knox-flag"/removal of Knox, that I have been enforced upon as a private citizen, invalid my warranty?

2) Will tripping the "Knox flag"/removal of Knox affect my phone in a negative way, like an e-fuse, that will make my phone not function properly as before?

3) Does the flashing counter matter under EU law? (Wrote about flashing the phone in an responsible way and that most of the changes are based on their own code).

4) Since it's mostly modifying THEIR CODE, not touching the modem, as agreed with my cell company that consider it being within the warranty to reflash or root the phone.

What is their stand? I guess this is a "Swedish" question, but probably valid all over EU.

5) The warranty in the box just informs me what "Do not". That is advisory and not bounding/restricting.

I should not microwave it. Check. I should not dish-wash it. Check. I should not install another operating system. Check?

Damn. I wanted to port IOS ;)

6) I can't read the warranty because it's in the box and if I open the box I break the seal and can't return the phone to the store. There is no restrictions written on the box.

7) Android is the operation system so I should be free to flash anything that is Android? Since it's a "Do not" and not a "Not allowed" I should be able to flash Linux anyway?

And there are some more points but those are the key-points they are contemplating an answer on.

(I complained about them not writing out their names so I knew who I mailed with. That changed quickly. That's a NO-NO in Sweden.)

But the most important is the Knox and to get them to release info about any e-fuse.

If they have a "self-destruct" they have to label about it. This is not Star Trek FFS.

Try to sell a car that explodes when you cross a "Red light"? And not telling??

Or if get caught having a timer on your TV that breaks after a set time? (I KNOW they make parts that WILL break, but that is just sneaky.)

This is an active choice made by Samsung. That is a BIG DIFFERENCE.

If they do have it, how will that go with EU-law? My guess? Not at all. USA? I doubt that as well.

The difference is that in Europe we lean against our laws and the Union puts hilarious amounts of fees on corps, like Microsoft and IE.

In USA you can sue and have a class action and loads of money involved. That is a main difference.

But the goal is the same. Make them pay. But EU is zzzlooow.... That is the worst problem. If I complain today it will go to court in 2 years.

We don't have that time. S5 will have Knox in a chip. Good luck then. The only time to stop them is NOW!

I read about bootloaders etc. Knox is so much more. A whole framework. Do we know what it does? How can I remove it?

Does anyone a list with all the parts of it? APK's, libs, the whole schabang? I would appreciate a LOT. Don't XDA have a Wiki?

But then we sit with old bootloaders, because the new has SELinux, how will that work? Right now, yes. The future?

I have no knowledge of dissecting things other then corpses. If we just got to the SELinux part we get the enforcing rules.

Try a vm with SeLinux. It's pretty easy and straight forward. You write what you want give access too. All is defined. All is documented.

I just can't do this alone. I have enough writing 4000 words/day to overwhelm Samsung (and you) besides all the rest **** I have.

So we need a real wizard here and I'm sure there are some.

So again:

Can anybody find ANY reason to enforce a corporate locked in system (that we don't know what it does) on consumer products??

Would not a "Knoxified" employer GIVE YOU a phone or will they tell you "Have one? Take it with you from home!"?

It's faulty logic so the only conclusion here is that Knox is something more? Does anybody else have any other?

There IS a possibility Knox can be malicious to our privacy. How can you be sure? You can't see under the hood.

I think SPY-PHONE should be the designation of S4 until we get full disclosure why corporate solutions are enforced on private citizens.

But this has to be spread. Into forums that are not "hard core" like XDA. Normal forums where "normal" users sit.

Those who ask "How do I change the different volumes?". We need to team up here if we want to put pressure on them.

I can't do a David against Goliat here. People have to stop whining and start acting. DUCKING HELL. DO SOMETHING!

Damn. I'm old and I have to start to be an activist? :cowboy:

People WILL be scared in the wake of Snowden.

Yes, Note 3 is awesome, but if it can turn itself on, record me when I do whatever naguhty things, read my SMS, record my calls I will personally

take my Volvo (YES, of course. I'm a Swede) and run it over 3 times and then call it amnesia again and get a HTC.

And so will many. Try that. Recording calls. Read all your SMS. Doesn't feel that good? Maybe I go for a Sony instead?

"SPY-PHONE". mmm. Feels good just saying it.

But again. I can't do this ALONE. I started ducking with them but I need support.

If you want a Knox-chip in your next phone. Fine with me. It's up to YOU.

Do something! And not tomorrow. And FFS, stop whining! ;)

The show will go on.

/Absie