[Galaxy S 4 General] Absolon:
This is as far as I (we) got and that is verified by sources and Samsung

Tripping Knox indeed sets off an e-fuse (verified by Samsung)

Here I don't know the extent of damage more then my own and those who reported here and to me (PM me more findings!)

Hardware-wise is problems with Wifi, connection drops, boot loops (that can only be Odin'ed). Some said slow but I did an Antutu on mine and got the same.

I have the Wifi-problem. Have not have drops but it reports having 42 mbit line and gives 5 kb.

The press release lies! (my findings, others here and from "X"

It does something with your software as well. It messes with your play services that gives errors (like -110 that is totally strange).

Reinstalling gapps doesn't solves this. Only a full Odin (again have your flash).

App removal (this one is strange, but confirmed and I got it once)

So the sabotage of the devices also triggers some code that changes the content of it. Now where can that be? On that area we are not allowed to touch?

Pushed updates (verified by me and 2 users)

Updates not honoring the settings of not updating. I SAW when my phone got it's rules updated. The ones, undisclosed that can point to anything you know.

Crypted bootloaders

We can't see the real code nor the SELinux rules. Nor can we see what it calls further on nor can we access parts in the kernel nor can we see if it runs

programs nor can we see if it chats with a basestation.

Unique identifier

All phones have one. That goes along to check if the bootloader is ok. So your phone has a unique identification never seen before since the times

Intel tried to push that on CPU's (that didn't go well, but seems Samsung is trying it's best).

They even say "hardware damage" when contacting them but refuse to say what type of damage it is (doesn't need verification. WE know that)

So the situation is that if you trip Knox you blow the E-fuse and I talked with a friend tonight and I think we should change the language here.

1) No blowing e-fuses. Nobody understands that's. Let's use the more proper wording "Electronic bombs".

I tend to agree that it sounds more to the punch.

2) Damage. It's not damage. It's deliberate sabotage of property.

It's not illegal to root. you can do that and lose your warranty but it's not illegal. Destroying someones property is.

So I think that sabotage and destruction is the proper words here because your hardware get tosted and your software messed up.

3) SELinux that we have no clues what it contains. It can very well be running 3rd party stuff that we have no idea about because we are in a "box".

It's SPY-WARE!

3) Unique id. Call that a "tracker-id". 3rd party code run by "someone" can track a person by just a simple search in "their app" and see where that phone is.

Since You = Serial but not also an ID on the network means that you can be identifiable whenever someone that has the access to the "system".

So it's a Tracker

4) If a 3rd part or a virus, since we now are defenseless against them since we can't have a viruskiller or any "privacy" app needs hardware access

and the "safty" we now have is that we can put documents in a "safe container". WOW! Because I write my super secret novel tapping on my minikeys...

(and we didn't have safe things with encfs, boxcryptor and who has the password list for their computers or creditcards in their phone?)

So it's HELPING spyware, malware etc.

Would you trust your whole computer to "Windows Defender?". About the same but less.

So forget XPrivacy that could save you from apps sending or accessing info that they shouldn't. Forget about Titanium Backup.

Or rather forget about any backups that can't access memory to pause a process that locks a file. Or any apps that need to access a part of hardware

that god forbid can interfere with Samsung.

So isn't it marvelous? We can put a document in a safe container :)

Oh, and yes, 4.3 does include SELinux in the release, but do you think Samsung will let us peek into those rules? I will not go there. I'm going for

1) Refund for my Note 3

2) Refund for my sabotaged S4

3) Get another device.

They have at least "not yet" made this, but then if you let Samsung, other will follow. Samsung already have "Knox approved apps" that has to go pass

them. Appstore, anyone?

I know several that already plugged the front camera, since when do you really use it? For the "Mirror" app or... hmmmm ;)

And I wouldn't do that if I where you, since "daddy" can watch.

No but seriously. Knox is really a security risk. And by relingishing even more control and go for the 4.3 with a locked bootloader with even more

Samsung code that we don't know anything about?

And I think that release this **** here was perfect. The place where all the people who do roms and all the download then and root in one blow.

Is that isn't deliberate I don't know what is. We where rabbits. The perfect ones.

"Those pesky bastards that dare to root our nice shiny plastic phones made by underpaid Chinese women that sleep in bunk-beds and work 14 hours a day

and whom family has to pay if they don't take it anymore and commit suicide."

Sorry. I'm a bit tired. Had a nice visit from "collectors" tonight so I'm a bit on the "edge" here even if they where not looking for me I was the one

opening the door and had to face them (I love my Rottweiler that is snoring next to me).

But well, we know that Samsung doesn't like people rooting their phones. Why? Why not having an enrollment as HTC. Reg, get a code unluck. Flash away.

Your call. Your descision. No bombs in the phone.

Would anybody let GM get away with setting something in their cars that deliberately sabotages them? Why are we allowing Samsung that?

And why are people giving up on this? As someone here said. They are too big. Hell not!

They live on one single thing. YOU. Consuming their stuff.

If they get away, then others will follow. Then we have no more CM-roms to play with because all will sit in some appstore with "approved" programs.

Like Apple that doesn't allow loads of Open Source or other who have fees that a normal little coder here can't afford.

Maybe me and my idealistic friends are too naive to think we can "wake the masses"?

Should I just shut up and stop trying to make you do something to stop this? (I think I know the answer to that...)

Over and out,

Abs