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[Galaxy S 4 General] ahaan7:
So that means i wont be able to use knox if ill root via cf auto root method? but how to set counter to zero without triangle away? which version do u have i9500 or i9505?
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
as I said Trianglaway WONT work.

I dont have any S4, but I want to get the Note 3 so I am jumping into discussions concerning that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] zephemeros:
I know a guy who rooted his i9505 after flashing 4.3 MJ5 in Odin, he's permanently tripped the warranty flag because of that ridiculous Knox stuff. Because of that I'm not even sure if I'm gonna update to 4.3 when it comes out in Canada especially since I have an i337m on contract, unless someone comes up with a way to bypass Knox or if I'd be able to flash a 4.3 touchwiz ROM that works with the older Samsung modem/radio versions. (I've already tried flashing a 4.3 ROM and it worked but the radio was very intermittent and unreliable)
[Galaxy S 4 General] SuicideFlasher:
just exclude the bootloader files from the package before flashing, and do NOT use odin

and by the way, what does this have to do in a research thread?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bogdan1980:
What is 0x2?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Crystal7_Magic:
Hi,

I would like to know if flashing a modem with Odin will trigger Knox flag?

EDIT: after modem flashing, I'm still on 0x0 :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
I just want to root my phone when I get it :) should that be a problem? :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] pajaSRB:
Znaci da do sada kada si rutovao telefon uvek si mogao da ga vrnes na stock i da servis to ne vidi...a sada ako rutujes telefon na novom frimweru aktivira se mali eFuse u chipu i ako vratis na stock zauvek ce ovi u servisu moci da vide da si cackao telefon...To je taj Knox koji vidis u Download modu samo ako si na novom fimweru i u slucaju roota ili bilo koje modifikacije on sa 0x0 predje u 0x1

If u want just root on your phone, Don't install any new firmware until some dev crack that Knox issue...
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
Hvala

Post on english :P
[Galaxy S 4 General] pajaSRB:
No problem.

But any way Iam on new German 4.3 official and its fully rooted coz I dont care about warranty...Every app or mode is working 100% I just lost warranty...
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
Sure..check your PM.
[Galaxy S 4 General] volelec:
I don't want root and i was updating with kies to android 4.3 , my pc crached .

I used someone his pc and flashed 4.3 with odin , knox is now 0x1 .

I lose my warrenty , thanks Samsung !!!:confused::mad:
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
Why don't you update it OTA? :what: I updated mine the same way
[Galaxy S 4 General] volelec:
Now it is too late !!
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Good riddance greedy arrogant Samsung i will never be buying your products again

Knox free sony z 1 here i am and what an amazing piece of kit it is too
[Galaxy S 4 General] Riskytwin:
+1
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Sony as similar procedures. Locked bootloader that voids warranty and drm loss. So samdung its not alone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
I'm not saying he's just want attention but I know it happened on galaxy s2 forum. User claimed that he was lying, when he said he got jelly bean leak. But they all where proved wrong. Though I actually was one of the few to judge him I was more jealous ^^

But yeah it took some time before he released it. And remember the root de la Vega wasn't released once it was achieved. Two developers where waiting to release it.

I think he wants to be a part of someone big. Else he might not get trusted. Since a user is new many people won't trust him. They do trust more recognized developers.

It's about being sure it's not maybe a malicious bootloader ;)

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy S 4 General] shoey63:
Ah yes, but Sony devices can backup and restore TA partition which will re-lock bootloader and restore DRM keys. Just like it was straight out of the box. No eFuse/ Knox crap.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jjnhl68:
Samsung applying pressure over Google for more than a year to implement security sistem aka Knox. So we could expect more locked models from other brands in the future.

I'm mad on Samsung because they don't give us the choice and they did this so quality through OTA. They were acting like police over people who paid lot of money for their product.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
Don't be so sad. chainfire could crack that...he is expert

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:( you shouldn't touch anything bro..but if you dont care for warranty you are good. Samsung phones works flawless
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
I've spent thousands over the last few years mate

I'm entitled to feel let down by Samsung now that I've switched i will never go back to Samsung for anything

NO KNOX

NO ID CHIPS IN ACCESSORIES

NO ****ING TIZEN

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The z 1 is a much better phone than any of the latest offerings from Sammy
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Flawless? 1 s2 burned mobo after 7 days of use (no root no custom rom) 1 s4 damaged membrane (screen). The s2 I'm still waiting after one year of an answer from samsung (after 3 warranty repairs phone still damaged). My provider gave a new one. A s3 that is allways overheating. Canot speek of flawliness. Samsund devices without warranty is like playing Russian roulette.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Braulio00:
Knox is a crap, I hope that chainfaire crack it sooner
[Galaxy S 4 General] jjnhl68:
Similar story with my Samsung phones. Changed mobo on S2. Problem solved after fifth try by official service. New S4 broken earphones after just one day of ussage. Waited for 15 days to fix the problem. Not to mention software issues all the time. That's far from flawless. My other phone is Nexus 4, no problems at all until now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
That's not a true fact at all. The phones have similar hardware. There's a few plus and minus on both sites. But most likely that's a end users opinion.

For me I like samsung for the smart features it brings. It's really not much I've seen from other manufacturers. Also Sony improves image quality with its engine "how much it does I honestly can't tell"

Sony also provides audio quality. But not that many smart features.

HTC does bring better sound quality and more corporation phones. Also called workphones.

Samsung provides some choppy audio engine (or maybe not) no engine to improve quality.

But smart features. Such as emergency call picture and messages etc.

LG. Well I honestly have no clue about them :D

So depending on if you want increased sound, image, features it's not easy to say what phones that brings these features. Because they all bring different ones.

But Sony isn't near samsung with their smart usage of the phone. According to my opinion. Now I haven't tested Z1 for a longer time. But I've never seen any phone provides smarter solutions by Samsung. And that's for all phones I've got. And tested. I'm not a Samsung retailer or worker who wants to lift samsung. But only thing that I dislike is that when it come to listening to end users. Samsung isn't the best. But they've listened quite many times. About releasing their own processor source is another thing and it's understandable. But they should in one way release it to public so users can help patch holes. And fix security risks. And yes they don't want to because they don't want any other company to get the source. But since its their own processor it's their own choice. For many people its bad because they can't take advantage of the full processor rendering. But for Samsung it's good.

Ok sorry for OT but this need to be said.

A specific phone isn't the best it's what the end user wants to have to fits best for him.

About knox well see about the "release"

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy S 4 General] Lienot:
A little OT:

The S4 is the smartphone with the best sound, there are a lot of articles about this to read, the S2 was horrible, S3 better and the S4 is best. I don't need any beats ****, I want my audio to sound as it was recorded. I listen through great headphones.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930p5.php

CU

lienot
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
I haven't had any problems with my two years old s2 and it's still good and kinda popular. My dad has s4 and it's absolutely perfect. Iphone is crap.sony lg, htc is anoyish with their UI.for now I'll stick with samsung and will buy s4 soon

How did you burned it.

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What softwer issue? :what::what:
[Galaxy S 4 General] jjnhl68:
TW based. So powerful hardver sometimes couldn't perform easy tasks like scrolling through home screens, calllog, internet pages... Lots of FC on various applications....
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
No such a problems here
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Well answer me one simple question mate if Samsung are that good why are they driving their customers away?

Not a very SMART move
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
They just simply want to protect their phones.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jjnhl68:
I'm happy for you! It seems 4.3 is lot better relating these little issues, so I guess I'll be happy too very soon. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
4.3 has less lags I guarantee you :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jjnhl68:
Especially on Telenor Serbia:p
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Try an s3 then. You will se what lag is on a phone. And they never get this fixed. Did you ear about sds? Afects s2 note note 2 and s3. That's why Samsung is not reliable without warranty.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
Sds??

Yes I know s3 has lags..and I personally don't like s3 but s4 is something different

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Haha yes even though I don't like em so much
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Knew you re not so familiar with sammy problems. SDS= Sudden death syndrome.

Thousands of users with dead phones because of this. Thats why samdung its not reliable. Hey and don t say BS about other brands, everyone as is good aspects and bad ones. Sammy as by far the bigger ones ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
Never heard of it.

And never heared any reports of that issue by users...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Blezz:
then google SDS, there been really a lot of people who suffered because of this
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Sds affected 16gb s3 models phones were just dying for no reason

It took Samsung ages to bring a software fix to stop it
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
and the so called fix was sending the device into an infinite loop if it gets to a point where the problematic storage points are hit. also happened on Note 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
I wasn't too bad when mine died o2 replaced the board and I ended up with 32gb
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
That's why warranty is very important to samdung devices. You never know what you get. I've a two year s2 and heats every rom and every tweak and no problem so far. But you never know. Maybe this Knox crap is to give Samsund a bit more of money through warranty denial.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
Marketing trick
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
This market trick will be a shoot in they're own feet. Samsund never again. What makes me angry is they never are fair with loyal costumera. They let you always talking alone. 50 millions users have feeled Samsund arrogance not updating they flagship devices for 6 months (s3 note 2). Only to sell s4 and prepair n3. They don't give a sh... for people that gave 700 or more euros for a device. Now its time to give them our loyalty back. Buying other brands and open the eyes to other people.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jezzrite:
Greetings guys.

I'm Jay.

Read thru all 89 pages, but still cannot find a definitive answer to ONE question.

Will root (either CF or Vega thing) permission properly works if KNOX thing got triggered?

I mean, I don't really care about warranty, as I accepted that if I tinkered with my phone software, I will be responsible for it.

But, what I DO care is, even if I opted to be responsible for it, somehow a piece of software/hardware won't let me modify my phone in a way that I like.

So, I rephrase my question.

Will KNOX 0x1 thing affects my root permission in ANY way? Any apps that require root not working anymore after KNOX triggered?

(I'm on MGA, non-Knox, rooted, and have several apps that I would like to use in the highly unlikely event that I decided to try 4.3 with KNOX thing)

Thank you :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] volelec:
I just try to update my S4 with kies , never had a problem with it

I dont have a choice and hope that chainfire could crack knox
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
Knox will simply refuse to let you set-up a container, but your Root apps should work whether you flag is 0 or 1...
[Galaxy S 4 General] jezzrite:
Thank you.

But I also read that somewhere someone cannot get some root apps like Titanium and ROM Toolbox working.

I use Set DNS Pro every single time I connect to Internet (WI-Fi or Data). I pretty much like to use that app even if I somehow decided to KNOX my phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jjnhl68:
As I remember correctly, I had some trouble and had to try few times for root to become fully functional. You just read as much as you can about everything on that thread. And be careful, once 0x1, nothing can change it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jezzrite:
Thank you. If anyone can prove that with the KNOX flag triggered, root permission is somehow affected, even slightly, I think we can take Samsung head-on.

Juz an idea from someone who is mentally exhausted with work and this KNOX thing. :cowboy:
[Galaxy S 4 General] rsndetre:
Hm, I was on 4.2.2 debloated stock rom with custom kernel. I wanted to reset the flash status to 0 before upgrading to 4.3

After flashing flashing a stock 4.2.2 rom , factory reset, root , triangle away, I noticed my knox warranty was tripped. A quick check revealed that I had knox installed.

I was under the impression that 4.2.2 didn't had Knox. How the .... I got it, I don't know.

My mistake, anyway, I just want to express my frustration. I had enough. I'll pass light phones with small bezels, removable battery, sd-card for phones who actually work well without having to remove ****load of bloatware and void your warranty in the process.

LE: shall I go on with the upgrade to 4.3 ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] jjnhl68:
All I can say it's huge risk and lot of people had issues with WI-Fi, sound... Everything can be fixed, but with lot of work and read. You can read hundreds of pages on mega and root de la vega tgreads and decide if

it is worth. I gave up, I had to have fully functional phone.:(
[Galaxy S 4 General] nielsscholte:
I hope anyone will find a way to reset the knox warranty
[Galaxy S 4 General] shakta:
A small question:

Lets say I just want to flash a STOCK rom, can I do that on a KNOX-ENABLED device?

Will it trigger the counter?

I am not talking about DOWNGRADING, it is just in case I want to flash the latest ROM if my device is slowly or bad etc

Thanks!
[Galaxy S 4 General] jjnhl68:
On 4.2.2 you're safe. At least there weren't any reports with 0x1 after flashing stock rom.

But on 4.3 several reports after refreshing stock rom knox flag went 0x1. So with new bootloader on 4.3 you'll never be sure. And they can change things in future in either way.

And we can't test things, can't we?
[Galaxy S 4 General] shakta:
That's insane...

So what should a user need to do if he just wants to flash a stock rom in order to "clear" his device? Go to samsung shop and ask for it+pay money?

(To avoid counter 0x1)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jjnhl68:
New bootloader doesn't like Odin... If you're on stock already, you have OTA and Kies. And that's how Samsung want to be. There are many clever developers around here that can't do much about this. So you decide: you have all the freedom, but no warranty, or you play with rules.

Samsung won this game for sure and I'm done with them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] rsndetre:
Well, it just happened to me. 4.2.2. No 4.3
[Galaxy S 4 General] shakta:
Thanks, I forgot about kies ;)

So basically if you wanna keep your warranty+have new BL+your device got stucked(No OTA) = Use Kies to flash the rom, right?

Thank :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] RobHands:
Not exactly, new bootloader comes from MGG on, which is 4.2.2
[Galaxy S 4 General] jjnhl68:
I know and I was not talking about that. Actually knox enabled bootloader started on 4.2.2 on D and E firmware versions... But Samsung even more secured bootloader on 4.3 and there is difference between leaked and MJ5 also.

Samsung said it officially that Knox will be improved in further updates. So it started on 4.3...

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I wasn't talking that isn't possible. You could tripp the flag easily on 4.2.2 of course. But root de la vega and mega roms were safe if you stick with their instructions.

We should be aware that with knox there is no guarantee. You could do something and not trigger the flag. And me doing exactly the same thing and ... bum... 0x1. And people with 0x1 are useless for further tests and almost all devs here were 0x1...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tanis64:
When they don't work, then this has nothing to do with the KNOX Warranty Void Flag, the reason will more that they are not compatible to (Samsung's) 4.3 File System Structure, You can not use TB to restore App and Data from a 4.2.2 Rom on a 4.3 Rom cause data where on a other location on 4.3

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9505 mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 General] rsndetre:
It is safe to upgrade to 4.3 after I have tripped the Knox void warranty flag on 4.2.2 MH8 or I risk a brick? I suppose it should be ok, but you never know.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hawke84:
yep its safe. it wont affect the software as such
[Galaxy S 4 General] EmDzei:
"KNOX stuff"?

People are worry about KNOX and voided warranty, but can you now tell that does or DRM protected app work, Miracast or MHL to HDMI.

Of course there are second way to search a 3rd party app from Google Play store or here at XDA Forum, which replace Samsung stock app, but many times we get only lite versions and full support only with Pro (read: paid) version.

So, again. What apps doesn't work after KNOX flag is raised? Or does ppl blend KNOX = Samsung bundle apps or business apps?
[Galaxy S 4 General] admir83x:
I updated from Omega 14.1 (UBUBMH1) to 4.3 INU via Odin and did a factory reset / wipe through recovery.

As you can see on the pictures, there is no warranty bit. Does this mean I have old bootloader or something else? Is there anything that I could do to go 4.3 Official?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gamespel:
Odin MJ3

I've readed the topic, but I still have a question...

My software is N9005XXUBMJ1 and I wanted to update it to MJ3. Knox is 0x1.

Is it safe to update it to MJ3 with Odin?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
I've been asking that myself, and so far absolutely no answers are definite.

A KNOX vault has nothing to do with DRM or HDMI or HDML or the like. It works as what we call a "sandbox". Imagine a "virtual machine" within your phone where just one application is run, and nothing it does can harm the rest of the device, not be affected by it. Therefore, ruunning a sandboxed apps, is, by definition, extremely safe.

What the KNOX app does is exactly that: it creates the "vault" (or the sandbox) , where a few selected apps can be run.

When the KNOX flag has been tripped, the KNOX app can't trust the device, since it assumes that the inherent security created by Samsung has been tampered with. Thus it will refuse to create the vaults/sandboxes.

you might be asking yourself: what the fudge does this have to do with DRM and HDML? Well, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. That used to work on the S II, S III and other Samsung devices that didn't have a KNOX flag or anything similar to it. Samsung could argument anything about DRM being compromised because of that flag, but so far nobody has been able to prove that.

Objectively answering your question about what apps are compromised by a tripped KNOX flag:

I had my KNOX flag set to 0x1 over 1 month ago, when I bought my S4, and everything runs perfectly fine. I don't use any of the Samsung apps, but they are all functional, they all work. None of the other apps I use regularly complain about it.

That is because none of the apps we use require a sandbox to run.

So, although KNOX is one of the selling points of the S4, and Samsung advertises that, it may be a feature that appeals only to a very, VERY specific niche, and I am yet to see someone from that niche.

Bottomline: as far as usability and software goes, tripping that damn KNOX flag is totally harmless for 99% of the users.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BlueChris:
And what tell us that sooner or later sammy will not pass it to the simple programs also? I mean the programs that now runs even if the flag is tripped. Sammy decided to take a road that is bad for geeks like us, honestly I love my N3 and I had brake my balls to keep it knox free and rooted but honestly next year I will rethink my buying options when I will upgrade.
[Galaxy S 4 General] adi90004:
that know prevents us from rooting our phones, that sucks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
It can't, it doesn't work like that. A simple kernel change would prevent that from happening, and keep in mind that the kernel is open source so there is no way Samsung can force every single app to run on its own sandbox.

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It doesn't. You can still root your phone, as long as you're willing to live with the KNOX flag set to 1. It is that simple.

My phone is rooted, warranty void, and it works perfectly.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gamespel:
So I can update my software N9005XXUBMJ1 to MJ3 with Knox 0x1 with Odin everytime?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
Yes! you can use Odin, TriangleAway, CF_AutoRoot, and so on. That damn KNOX Flag won't get in the way of anything.

Like I said earlier, you can do anything you want, and (almost) everything works, as long as you don't mind knowing that the flag as been raised.

the only thing that won't work is the built-in Software Update feature (from the System Settings). That doesn't make much difference anyhow, because you can simply use Odin3 from the computer.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hawke84:
you posted this in the Q&A thread too, and i gave you an answer! please dont spam the same question across topics
[Galaxy S 4 General] admir83x:
You gave me an answer saying you don't know the answer to what I asked. I later saw this thread and thought the question is appropriate for this thread as well. And the question stands.

Could anyone tell me how to check on I9500 if 0x1 flag is present. In odin mode, there is nothing about knox nor warranty. Only Product name, Current binary and System status. I came from Omega 14.1 (UBUBMH1) to 4.3 INU. Now I would like to go Official, but don't know how.

Regards,
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hawke84:
apologies , my mistake, thought at a glance it was 2 different people!
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
A new method of root, AnJaRoot - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2490152

Would it pass knox?
[Galaxy S 4 General] timberwolf60:
Recently in China, Samsung had extending extra year of warranty on S3, note2 and five other model due to emmc fault. Also to refund to users who previously paid for repairing because Samsung can't afford to lost the market in China. This also happen on Apple.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
Reboot in download mode. It will show the status of the KNOX flag and a few other.
[Galaxy S 4 General] admir83x:
Just look few posts back. I attached screensgots. In download mode there is nothing about knox nor warranty, thats why I'm confused...
[Galaxy S 4 General] kaalalto:
Well, today is monday...Aren't we supposed to see a KNOX hack as said in Google+ ?

:(
[Galaxy S 4 General] Exel:
If there's nothing about KNOX on your bootloader, you haven't gotten hit with it yet and you're one of the lucky ones. :highfive:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Blezz:
source?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gorandroid:
How can I check if mine is 0x0 untriggered?