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[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
oh sorry then i missunderstood you.

afaik the s4 has also a hardware eFuse on board but there are no real authentic confirmations.

sorry mate but you are confusing with double negations (see bold text) :eek:

"without a Knox-free bootloader" means "with a knox enabled bootloader" ...

to sum it up and clean up the confusion:

if you have a knox-free bootloader (usually all 4.2.2 ones below XXUB or VJUB etc.)

you are free to flash a kernel, rom, recovery, modem and it will NOT trigger your knox-flag

if you are running a knox-enabled bootloader (usually all 4.3+ bootloaders)

you are only free to flash a modem without triggering the knox-flag

flashing an unsigned kernel, recovery or rom will trigger your flag to 0x1

and again best way to find out if bootloader is knox enabled is to check in download mode if the knox line is present
[Galaxy S 4 General] Cristi10:
Ok so in my stupidity i've rooted my phone and tripped know counter. Then i used triangle away to atleast reset flash counter. But i went to the service center (my country Romania) for trying to solve the smearing problem. I handed over the phone and they returned it and said to me they were just ready to reflash the software when they compared it to other s4's and realised it's a wide spread problem and told me to wait for an update. So i guess they didn't cared or knew about knox. Hope that helps.
[Galaxy S 4 General] David_Vaz:
http://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?t=831383

Possible Knox reset with JTag?

In HTCMania are requesting donations to purchase and try
[Galaxy S 4 General] pRo_lama:
I9500 can be reset be JTAG for a long time.
[Galaxy S 4 General] resudo:
Can the Note 2 N7100 be reset by JTAG?
[Galaxy S 4 General] pRo_lama:
More info here. But you need to have Exynos CPU, not Qualcomm.
[Galaxy S 4 General] FatBoyNate:
what about the users who think samsung can shove their warranty, how can we root our devices flash what ever we want.

i personally dont care about voiding my warranty because android id my mobile gaming plaform not my social day to day platform, i have an iphone for that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] FlanjeUK:
If you don't care about warranty then go for it,

there's nothing stopping you

.

There are no implications other than the 'potential' loss of your Samsung warranty and the inability to use any knox features.

If those 2 things don't matter to you then Samsung are happy for you to root :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Alberto96:
For I9500 Devs: ( e.g. [MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] )

I've found this code in mmc.c (drivers/mmc/core):

/*
* Note that the call to mmc_part_add above defaults to read
* only. If this default assumption is changed, the call must
* take into account the value of boot_locked below.
*/
card->ext_csd.boot_ro_lock = ext_csd[EXT_CSD_BOOT_WP];
card->ext_csd.boot_ro_lockable = true;

Maybe this is the cause of the locked bootloader partition. (to reset binary).
[Galaxy S 4 General] BurlaMatto:
Has anybody managed to remove all knox 2 trash on latest firmware?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Indha Lezzio:
Uninstalling all Knox apps with tb

Enviado desde mi GT-I9505 mediante Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 4 General] BurlaMatto:
it's what i did, but differently from knox 1, some apps remain active and phone reboots ...
[Galaxy S 4 General] dimkit:
Do you have adblock installed?

Στάλθηκε από το GT-I9505 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 4 General] Acetrigger:
Hi.

I just wanna ask that I'd tripped my knox to 0X1..

I got keep some picture inside knox and now I cannot log in.

Any other way to restore the picture if I cannot log in to my knox?

Thanks in advance!
[Galaxy S 4 General] acid123:
Just a update my mate just got his s4 repaired as well through the samsung service with knox triggered,

Phone repaired and Knox back too 0.0,

So in the UK long as you flash stock before handing the phone in your warranty is fine with knox 0.1,
[Galaxy S 4 General] pRo_lama:
What was the reason of your repair? HW or SW problem?
[Galaxy S 4 General] acid123:
I had my one done cause of no wifi so mix of h/w and s/w,

Mate had it done cause of the home button,

And recently my other mate had his repaired cause of the touchscreen,

So between me and my mates that's 3 handsets repaired all were knox 0.1 and we flash stock before handing them in
[Galaxy S 4 General] pRo_lama:
It looks like they're all just hardware problems and those are not covered by KNOX warranty bit. Only for SW problems is KNOX obstacle. My brother must paid new motherboard because of KNOX 0x1.
[Galaxy S 4 General] acid123:
My one was the wifi problem after flashing the omega rom I lost wifi and the wifi fix would work but not all the time,

So tried my luck with samsung and there fix it,

I'm on knox 0.0 now, really miss rooting but don't want to tempt faith twice,

You should blame the knox 0.1 on kies, by saying firmware upgrade crashes and messed up the phone so might have caused the knox
[Galaxy S 4 General] pRo_lama:
Problem is that Kies can't mess up your KNOX status. ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jamieridler:
Funnily enough it was Samsung repair center in the UK who put my KNOX to 0x1 in the first place lol. Had 0x0 stock unrooted kitkat firmware. The fault I sent the phone in for was with the USB board, I think. Battery discharging in minutes, wouldn't charge up, if phone plugged it started heating up to the point I couldn't pick it up but no charging.

Anyway, even though it was a hardware fault, they did what they always do and flashed the "latest" firmware to the phone, trouble was, I was on one of the early leaked kitkat firmware versions, so their latest official was an older pre-KNOX 4.3. They put this on, phone came back, KNOX 0x1. I called up to complain and they said that it makes no difference to warranty in the UK, they will still fix any problems, so long as I have no need for KNOX then it's not an issue.

It's been a while since then and tbh,so far, I've not had the need to send it in for any repair, so will wait and see if they honour their claim, but I'm not bothered either way, never have had any need for this KNOX rubbish and it's never stopped me doing anything I wanted to do in regards to firmware and root, so who cares :P
[Galaxy S 4 General] E:V:A:
Does anyone have any useful insight how KNOX is using SELinux / SEAndroid when in Enforcing mode? I.e I'm trying to understand how KNOX is using SEL for blocking certain operations. What files/permissions changes and where, when moving from Permissive to Enforcing?
[Galaxy S 4 General] VshnuP:
Hi Devs....

Plz clear my doubt....

Suppose I flashed twrp/cwm and got knox tripped to 0x1. Later I reflashed with stock ROM. Will I get OTA updates thereafter? I dont care with counter flaged 0x1 or with warranty.

Sorry 4 my english
[Galaxy S 4 General] chudy_85:
Yes you can update using OTA if your status its official

Wyklepane z mojego S4Lte Rooted Kitkat :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] VshnuP:
That means knox counter will not interfere with flashing custom recoveries or rooting. Isn't it?

Is it only voids warranty?

Send from my Galaxy Mega 5.8 (GT-I9152) using XDA mobile app
[Galaxy S 4 General] tobyknows:
knox

will flashing stock get rid of voided knox counter ,i flashed with cf and tarp ,will it affect tmobile jump program?
[Galaxy S 4 General] lyriquidperfection:
If flashing stock cleared knox counter then we would all be doing it! :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Shaftamle:
So does this mean the only things a tripped counter will affect is warrenty and knox containers?? Will recoveries, root and kernels still work?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BlueChris:
Yeah except if before you trip know you have anything in the containers, you will be not able to see that data never.

send from my N9005 with tapatalk
[Galaxy S 4 General] AIkizov:
Samsung Knox kills customization

What's worse is that there is no option, there is no way to overcome

no people (developers) to work on this issue
[Galaxy S 4 General] rboy28:
Maybe they do but it's not public. Who knows ^^
[Galaxy S 4 General] note2nooby:
Yes they do , but nothing will see the light of the day, as samsung really appreciate knox and surely they will pursuit everyone release anything that use their own software (samsung's) in resetting or downgrading bootloader. And for a developer to find his own solution Knox is nearly to impossible. So thank you samsung for neglecting your standard users and focus only on profits. Well that's a corporation goal i guess.

Sent from my GT-N7100
[Galaxy S 4 General] arovik:
The 0x1 know status will not affect the OTA. I can confirm that
[Galaxy S 4 General] btk97:
Guys, how are you? I have two questions here regarding Knox, can you help me?

If I buy a brand new Samsung smartphone right now, which doesn't come with the Knox update, can I just install a custom rom and avoid it getting a 0x1 status?

Or even if I flash a custom rom into the device will it get the Knox update? In short, I will get Knox only when I download an official Samsung update from now on?

Also, if I download a custom rom that was developed/updated on a device with the warranty voided (with the 0x1 flag), will my device, that was not with the Knox update, get the warranty voided as well?

Thanks a lot for the help!
[Galaxy S 4 General] _Sofos_:
What btk97 said, I've got the same questions.

I was about to purchase S4 and then I saw all those stuff about knox and efuse technology.. so frustrated.

Thank god there is xda, once again.

Sent from my S2 using TT2.
[Galaxy S 4 General] EmDzei:
Do we know which programs and features do not work anymore after KNOX? Do we talk now only with Samsung branded softwares?

- does MHL to HDMI work?

- full HD video recording?

- etc..

I guess this KNOX security thing walk hand in hand with DRM.

Let's image a view from regular life. I may have (more than) an expensive 50 " LG or Panasonic television and I would like to use a remote control app LG TV Remote or Miracast. With KNOX flag up, this kind of apps doesn't work anymore?
[Galaxy S 4 General] htc9420:
In European Union, Rooting doesn't automatically void the warranty. So, as long as the flash counter shows 0, you should be covered.

Also, I am really wondering why Samsung chose to go this way, enforcing a corporate applied only solution. They could've make a special Knox ROM and installed it via IT admins ( with a special Kies or smth) only when they were creating the KNOX container. The efuse only shows a unauthorized root access happened in the past and the device along with its data are no longer to be considered as safe.
[Galaxy S 4 General] donalgodon:
Yes, you can. Installing ROMs via CWM recovery doesn't trigger the Knox status flag. Odin flashes with bootloader does that if you flash a Knox ROM.

My advice would be to stop using Odin and stay away from Stock Firmwares that have Knox bootloaders.
[Galaxy S 4 General] _Sofos_:
Someone said that since cwm recovery does change the signature after a reboot the Knox flag will be up. That's a false alarm?

(assuming that someone already has a phone with fw that already includes Knox and wants to root his device and have cwm in it)

Sent from my S2 using TT2.
[Galaxy S 4 General] cameracartwright:
Did you get a firmware update failed message I had to root to get my device to boot as was stuck????
[Galaxy S 4 General] non1oson:
hey mate. so I can root using the follwing link, then install a custom ROM and my knox status flag will remain at 0? is that what you mean? or what do you mean? my idea is receiving the note 3 and installing a custom rom asap.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2454079

at the same time I'm not sure if I care about the knox flag status, or if any of us should? I mean, I've never had a samsung product go faulty on me within the first 12 month or even at all for that matter. that's the only reason we would want our knox to stay 0 right? incase of hardware failure
[Galaxy S 4 General] donalgodon:
I am not absolutely certain about the Note 3, given that it isn't released, but since it has region locks that require the buyer to take it to a Samdung service center to overcome, it's not something I'm interested in at all.

Total crap, IMO.

Second, there's a virtual certainty that Knox bootloaders will ship on the device, so you may never be able to get around the Knox warranty issue at all.
[Galaxy S 4 General] non1oson:
so it's a warranty issue thing only. well I'd like to hope it didn't fck out over 12 months.
[Galaxy S 4 General] donalgodon:
Chances are that it won't be defective within 12 months, but there's a chance, and to me, why take any risk at all?

To me, the region lock, Knox (and who knows what other "security" features will be included) make the Note 3 an absolute non-purchase item for me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] non1oson:
lol I agree. I do love beating the system though, as in beating samsung by not changing knox status and having a custom from and rooted :>

then reverting back in the event you need to send it back

gives you a good fck you samsung attitude feeling. which is what I'd say you are looking for? :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] samkuek:
1. Download Odin and latest Autoroot by Chainfire : http://download.chainfire.eu/316/CF-Root/CF-Auto-Root/CF-Auto-Root-jflte-jfltexx-gti9505.zip

2. Extract zip to desktop of computer

3. Download and install latest USB driver v 1.5.27.0 (skip this step if your computer already has KIEs or USB driver): http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2038555

4. Launch Odin3 v1.85

5. Click on PDA and select CF-Auto-Root-jflte-jfltexx-gti9505.tar.md5 on desktop

6. Boot phone into Download mode by pressing [VolumeDown+Home+Power] buttons for few seconds until warning message appear

7. Press [VolumeUp] once then connect phone to computer with USB cable

8. When [ID:COM] box turned yellow, click Start button

9. Wait about 9 seconds till green box with PASS! appear

10. Unplug phone and reboot

Voila..your phone is rooted! (Warning: the KNOX flag is also triggered, never mind if you are not concern about warranty issue)

NEXT: Reset the Binary and System Status after root:

1. Download and install latest TriangleAway v3.05 by Chainfire, rename zip to apk: http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2255608&d=1379108351

2. Run TriangleAway

3. Grant SuperSU access

4. Scroll down to FlashCounter to check Current Status, Binary is showing "1"

5. Tap on Reset Flash Counter > Continue > Continue > phone will reboot into Downlaod Mode

6. Press and hold [Power] button for 10 seconds till phone enter Reset Binary screen

7. Press [VolumeUp] to Reset Counter and Status

8. Press [VolumeUp] again to reboot phone

Wow..you binary is reset! (Note: this will not reset the KNOX flag)

Root at your own risk!
[Galaxy S 4 General] bogdan1980:
Is quite simple, we will buy something else. We done need Samsung anymore.
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Mda... Asa ii...

But right now I will stay with my 9505 ... Till will find a solution
[Galaxy S 4 General] millionsuns:
so you're saying that root using a CWM won't change the samsung KNOX flag ?

when you flashing back to the official FW then you got one ?

is it ?

is there a way to flash back to official FW without using Odin ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ozkaya:
Is there a guide somewhere (I couldn't find) for removing bootloader from stock Odin update files? I would like to remain close to stock as possible (no custom ROMs) but also like to stay with my non-Knox bootloader. A guide to removing bootloader would be great :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Chrisstian:
[MENTION=4856442]Mackovich[/MENTION]

As soon i have installed CWM flag was set to 0x1
[Galaxy S 4 General] Smirftsch:
ok, I didn't find the time yet to read everything about knox, but I have still some questions.

My Phone is having I9505XXUDMH6, while everyone is talking about H8, nevertheless it's having knox it seems. Got it a few days ago. I don't want to mess with the current OS or Firmware or whatever, all I want is to be able to uninstall this crapware on it. The first thing I did on this phone was to disable like 20 apps I don't want or need. Disable? Hell I want to REMOVE this stuff, I don't need some kind of annoying software f.e. for jogging?!?!.

So question is, is there a way to gain root without losing warranty for this phone?

Motochopper etc doesn't seem to work and CWM and such is out of question obviously because of losing warranty. STOP. Losing warranty for changing a software providing me access to a device I bought....did anyone ever have the idea to check if this is even legal in your country? Do we have some lawyers here?
[Galaxy S 4 General] olokos:
This thread is cluttered anyways and noone seems to bother about it anyways so I'll let myself to post here because that might be somewhat encouraging.

Galaxy S1,Galaxy S2, Galaxy S3,Note 1, Note 2 had the yellow circle which was similiar to knox, but not THAT intrusive. It's cracked. Haven't heard of any legal complaints.

All sony devices from 2012+ lines can have it's TA partition backed up so you can unlock your BL without sony knowing (theoretically). No legal complaints.

Recently we got 4K and 120fps on the Z1 which propably was the main selling reason of buying the Z2 over the Z1. I am really close to the development of it and I havent got any e-mail or even PM from sony representative so far.

That's what I've seen so far so there's no legal issue with it. I think that it's mostly because either:

Nobody could crack the knox (possible, but I doubt it's impossible to crack it)

This thread is so cluttered that real developers can't really see really helpful informations about it.

I'd put my bet on the 2nd one as going through over 238 pages to get real information is just outrageous.

I'd suggest somebody with at least a knowledge that's enough to start fiddling around with it to start a new thread in a xda forum for samsung cross-device development so he could gather people capable of breaking it and keeping the [DEV] thread somewhat clean and if it gets too cluttered to report it with threads marked for deletion with a quote (so the moderators wouldn't have to go through loads of posts).

If a single thread with all development helpful information would make it and there would be a separate thread with discussion, QA and non-dev stuff and people would obey these rules there might be some progress.

Good luck to all people at xda at samsung forums! I hope you'll finally get this done cause Sony is making small steps to make me switch to other OEM's and samsung is a no-go for me because of knox in the future. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hawke84:
thank you for one of the most constructive posts of this threat. same frustrations here in that a dev thread is just a cluttered mess. I've been following it closely since day 1 and ive created a Knox Q&A thread to try and keep this clean, but like you say, needs starting a fresh!

what moves are sony making? i've been interested in their phones and thinking about switching..
[Galaxy S 4 General] Braccoz:
i don't get the whole point of the wot, but you're wrong. samsung uses knox bit to accept/deny warranty for the device. some repair centers just turn a blind eye and will repair anyway, but picky ones will just refuse.

also knox is tripped by flashing anything that is not signed for the current bootloader, so you can trip it even by flashing an older official rom
[Galaxy S 4 General] behemot24:
Here's a developers-only thread which is really "clean", but still no method to reset the knox flag was found http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2642207.

I'm afraid it will be nearly impossible (or it will take a very long time) to crack, because Samsung put a lot of effort into securing this, as it generates huge income.

Example: I payed 20 € only to get my phone back - they didn't even touch it to see what's the problem, because of the knox flag being "1". Even if it's a hardware problem and the current ROM and the recovery are official and the phone is not rooted, they just don't give a damn.

If they put the same effort into getting better phones instead of tricking their customers, they would get much better results (trust, sympathy ==> money). Because someone going through such an absurd experience will never pay again 500-600 € for the next model of Samsung phone. Stupid company, I would say.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sauron82:
How is Samsung tricking their customers? I knew my Note 3 was coming with KNOX, and I bought it anyway. I did my research; I knew I could root and flash custom roms anyway. So I waited a few weeks to make sure there were no problems out of the box, and then I voided KNOX, flashed CM and forgot about it. Root has always voided warranty, now we just can't hide it like we could before.

There's no trickery; people just need to understand what they're buying, and it's not Samsung's responsibility to educate the public. If you don't like KNOX, that's fine; don't buy a Samsung. If you didn't know what you were getting when you bought the device, then you should've looked into more before buying. I don't mean you personally, but customers in general.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Hawke84:
Thank you for your post, interesting. I'm on 4.4 with old boot loader and old radio (new radio kills phone) I have been wondering if using older firmware does make a difference,. I'm on Three UK so no 4g yet. We get 3.9g!

I guess to answer one of your questions, I think booting an insecure kernel image with root even I'd you downgrade will still trip the flag...
[Galaxy S 4 General] behemot24:
1) A lot of devices didn't came with knox. Knox was pushed by automatic updates without users being aware about its consequences.

2) There are hardware problems that don't have anything to do with the fact that the device was rooted at some point in the past. But Samsung has chosen to hide 100% behind supposedly software problems and that's not fair. So it's clear enough to me that the knox thing is just a miserable strategy to make even more money for already expensive devices.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sauron82:
1. People who have automatic updates turned on shouldn't complain. Automatic updates should always be turned off. I never update anything without looking at what's in the update, and neither should anyone else, whether it's a rom, kernel or an app. Automatic updates are easy, but not good.

2. Rooting has always voided warranty, whether it's a software problem or a hardware problem, so your point is moot. OEMs have always said that. The headphone jack on my first device died about 6 months after buying it. I took it in, they said it was rooted and not covered by warranty, even though it was a hardware issue, not software. So I went home, flashed stock, and went to a different place, they repaired it under warranty no problem. Now, we can't just flash stock and remove all traces of root, which is the real problem that most people have with KNOX.

And don't kid yourself: the Note 3, S4 and S5 would all still cost the same whether KNOX was included or not. Your problem is you can't hide root anymore when you have a problem. The only way KNOX makes money for Samsung is that it opens the door for corporations who are trying to replace Blackberries and don't want to go with Apple.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] behemot24:
Samsung never gave specific details about updates, as much as I noticed.

Your headphones jack story makes my point - it's not logic for them to refuse the repairing under warranty in this case, because it has nothing to do with the rooting. Why would you ever buy a device again from a company which has an illogical policy and they used it against you? Well, I personally just wouldn't (and won't). And I'm hoping others will do the same, but if not everybody see the things this way, I can live with it :) Have a nice evening :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] sauron82:
You're right, it's not logical to refuse to repair a hardware issue, but all the OEMs do that, not just Samsung, so leaving a manufacturer whose hardware I like wouldn't change anything. Root voids warranty, it's that simple.

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