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[Galaxy S 4 General] 00raq00:
But is possible to downgrade firmware ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] CodeJACK:
Weird. I obviously downloaded an already modified baseband image the as I have no knox entry on my download screen.

Should I try going back to the most recent UB ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Send them the European warranty rules printed. They should change they're opinion. There's a thread here in xda with that. Just print it go to the store and claim your warranty. They should read what is there and can't stay above the law.
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
well the EU thing is a directive not a law, therefore it depends whether or not it's implemented in your country and it is in ireland

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:71999L0044:EN:NOT#FIELD_IE
[Galaxy S 4 General] nfribeiro:
They can't be above but you are always below...
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Indeed. Lol

And for good the Portuguese law is more comfortable. Says clearly if you have a defect on the first six months on electronic devices it's clearly a factory fault that as to be linked to production defect. So I'm not afraid of the monster samdung. There are many brands and many cases that brands loose in the first court and assume warranty. That's why in some country like Poland they are saying that know don't void it. I will test this next week. I've a beautiful 0x1 s4 that as a faulty screen membrane. I'm hot about it. I'm ready for the battle. Lol
[Galaxy S 4 General] nfribeiro:
May the force be with you...
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Guys I told you ... i know that shulnd refuse it ... i took it and after 3 days they called me to come after it :) ..

with an epic replay from " samsung ": Unauthorized software void warranty ... something like this ... i dont have anymore the paper from them
[Galaxy S 4 General] dxzh:
Who was the retailer? What was wrong with mobile? Had you damaged it?

If you had not damaged it, then does not matter what was written on the piece of paper from Samsung - that is not binding on you. You should surely have another go if mobile still needs to be fixed and you care enough about the problem. If you can, then suggest get a friend with fluent English to go along with you to make sure no misunderstanding.
[Galaxy S 4 General] maciejk-pl:
I've talked to the Polish Samsung guy on the live chat on the webpage, and he told me that knox flag=new firmware was installed = warranty voided. But it seemed that he didnt know much about it and my question 'what will happen to the warranty if I have stock firmware and the flag is trigerred anyway' (in case we went back to stock) remained unanwsered. I think that Samsung's position on the issue differs from one to another worker...

As soon we dont bring our own 0x1 units to the service centers, I guess we would not really know. And I bet some of us will get their flagged units fixed without any problems, while others will not. It'll be a matter of luck I think. I also talked to the US livechat support and the response was the same.

I'm fortunate to have an old bootloader, and the phone is running pretty good on 4.2.2, no plans doing OTA to 4.3, which is getting the knox bootloader for sure.

Offtopic : long time reader here, this is my first post, so hello everyone!
[Galaxy S 4 General] fits79:
So until now there isn't any way to root any mobile with knox protection WITHOUT change the knos from 00 to 01 and loose the warranty of the mobile phone?

Or there is?

And if there is how we can be sure that it DOESN'T change the knox protection to 01 and how we do install it?

A LOT OF THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ANSWERS.
[Galaxy S 4 General] szczeslaw:
Actually someone has posted a Samsung Polska spokesman's Twitter response, that flag doesn't void the warranty.

I think we can use that when dealing with service centers. Just print out the response and show it in service. They cannot confuse us like this.

There is a Root De La Vega method, which doesn't void warranty. It was primarily developed for Note 3, but there is also a version for i9505. At least for MJ3 there is. I don't know if there is a version for MJ5 already.

Remember, that this method is firmware dependant! It doesn't work like CF Autoroot - you cannot on any firmware.
[Galaxy S 4 General] maciejk-pl:
Yes, I saw that. And as we can see, there are mixed signals from Samsung representatives... I can see you're also from Poland and as you know, we live in a pretty strange country and I honestly don't think that showing a piece of paper with a tweet will make anything work. I don't even think that threatening them with going to court would change anything. All these EU directives and laws sound pretty nice, but would it work? I would like to believe that...

And that is very, very sad, that I'm worried about that...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bessagabriel:
Yes, there is
[Galaxy S 4 General] szczeslaw:
Well, for now we cannot be sure of anything. Time will show how service centers are going to handle this topic.

UE directives are actually not saying about manufacturer warranty, but responsibility of the vendor which sold you the product (shop, carrier etc.). So basically Samsung can void your warranty, but you can still take it back to the shop where you bought it, and (according to the law in Poland) they should replace it or you should get a refound. It's based on that act called "Ustawa o szczególnych warunkach sprzedaży konsumenckiej". That's the theory at least. Of course we know, that in practice it's not that easy, especially if you bought your phone over internet auction or in some small shop. But if you got it from a carrier or some larger company (like Media Markt or something), it should be easier.

For now i'm on MGA and waiting for official 4.3 for Poland. When that shows up, i will just flash some pre-rooted version and keep it stock with root, and hopefully knox 0x0 ;)

Anyway with GS4 i do not feel the need to flash custom roms, kernels or recoveries. Stock is very good for me, if only rooted :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] maciejk-pl:
I hear ya. I must say I'm waiting for an prerooted 4.4 google edition port for i9505 when it eventually comes out (IF it comes out), hopefully without the knox bootloader. Hopefully. I'm using an S-view cover and I must say that is the only reason that I'm not on Cyanogen right now, because it does not support it. Wondering will it ever be supported, but that's off topic...

GS4 is perfectly functional on stock unrooted touchwiz firmware, not willing to risk losing my warranty by getting root access just to do one or two things, but I'm not a "power user" and some may demand more.
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
Lo mate.

I know its ot but you can use the s-view cover functions with cm and google roms with this app: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2433744
[Galaxy S 4 General] nish983:
help me!!

i rooted my device with cf auto root (i9500) .

now KNOX doesn't open whenever i type my password and press ok it show you are not authorized to use knox:confused::confused::confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tanis64:
Flashing CF-Auto-Root triggers the KNOX Warranty Void Flag to 0x1. With KWV Flag triggered KNOX deny to work. So far this is irreversible.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Avide:
is warranty bit:0

bad?
[Galaxy S 4 General] EmDzei:
<offtopic>

No root needed: Call Recorder - ACR

</offtopic>
[Galaxy S 4 General] andrewhahalee:
Hi guys,

I'm running MH6 firmware and yes, I attempted to root via CF Auto root and failed:

<ID:0/005> Firmware update start..

<ID:0/005> recovery.img

<ID:0/005> NAND Write Start!!

<ID:0/005> Complete(Write) operation failed.

<ID:0/005> Added!!

<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)

<ID:0/005> Removed!!

<ID:0/005> Added!!

This of course bricked my device and resulted in a "Firmware Update Error" on boot.

I flashed a PIT file via ODIN and was able to fix the partition. Rebooted stock OS successfully.

Now I can't do a factory reset.

The red android appears and attempts to run stock recovery but stops halfway and resumes to boot back my OS. :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tos69400:
I think you have to flash the rom again and after do a full wipe.

Question : can anyone tell me if a flash of a rom stock with odinPC trip the knox flag to 0x1 ? I am on djembey MJ5 rom.
[Galaxy S 4 General] showdiablo:
I have flashed the official android 4.3 rom from Russian area. However, in my download mode, my "warrant bit" shows 0. There is no 0x0 or 0x1. Is that normal?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tos69400:
Have you flash with Odin ? Which version ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ChampMEon:
I've been searching for this but can't find it.

If I currently have a custom binary status, when installing 4.3 via Kies or OTA, will this mean the trigger will be 0x1 or will it only change to 0x1 if i flash something AFTER I installed 4.3?

Thanx guys
[Galaxy S 4 General] lch920619x:
If I'm not wrong , 0x1 will be triggered when you first boot your custom rom with the new bl
[Galaxy S 4 General] Brotuck:
So basically this KNOX feature will trip if we:

1. Flash a custom kernel

2. Flash a custom recovery like CWM

3. Flash a official ROM that does not have the new bootloader

4. Try to root with any ODIN based root method

This is all tripped by the new bootloader right ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] RobHands:
Sent an email to Samsung customer service here in Switzerland, asking about warranty claims with KNOX WARRANTY flagged devices. Really curious what kind of response I will get.

S4 was my first Samsung device and so it will be my last. This is totally unacceptable. I can understand if Apple restricts app policy etc. because they have a closed ecosystem. I was already astounded when I first read about the "device status" thing and now this? Really Sammy? Sadly this will not cause any ****storm as it happenend with M$, because 99% of companies do not give a crap about dev's...

Edit: I was so eagerly waiting for 4.3, thank god id didn't update past MGA...
[Galaxy S 4 General] carmeloseven:
What's happen if i use heimdall to flash custom recovery? ( i have 4.3 rooted ) i will brick the device?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tos69400:
Try to post in heimdall thread for more help. I don't know if you can brick your device. I'm you are goind to trip the knox flag.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mcduck1:
Does 0x1 break miracast (HDCP)?
[Galaxy S 4 General] paamet:
Interesting Q! I have also thought of this. And what happens if you dont flash the bootloader partition using Heimdall?

I am using Heimdall exclusively. Works perfect every time and I have complete control of what is flashed and the process. See my threads om Heimdall if you need a how-to.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chickentuna:
Not sure about the recovery, but if you don't flash the bootloader partition you'll end up with a broken wifi, sound and more importantly calls.

I'm not a heimdall pro but once you upgrade to a new bootloader you will not be able to downgrade anymore. If you try to or if somehow you were able to manage to downgrade (which is very very risky) you will hardbrick your device. The only way to resurrect it is via motherboard replacement
[Galaxy S 4 General] timberwolf60:
Good news when hard bricked then I can send it to Samsung for warranty claim.

Send via i9505 using TapatalkPro,

ROM: I9505XXUEMJ3_Vega

CSC/Modem: OLBEMJ2(STH)/XXUEMJ3

Kernel/recovery: Stock

SuperSU Pro 1.65, 64GB FAT32 Card
[Galaxy S 4 General] chickentuna:
That is if for some reason you were able to downgrade the bootloader which in theory, would hard brick your device. It's also very unlikely to happen because in most cases it will just fail
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mate996:
Years before the reson I bought a Samsung Galaxy device was it came with an unlocked bootloader so I can did what I want...

With this move that Samsung takes it is my last Samsung device.. :( :mad:

Anyway

My Knox counter in the download mode is now 0x0.. I know If I flash custom stuff it will void (0x1). But after I void my warranty can I use any ROM and if I want can I go back to the latest stock w/o problems?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bogdan1980:
Hey s-sheeps, you still have the note 3? Yeah, but why?
[Galaxy S 4 General] EmDzei:
+1
[Galaxy S 4 General] LuLuke:
I don't get it...

Hello guys I don't get it actually.

What's KNOX warranty and that kind of stuff ?

I had 4.2.2 stock firmware then I've rooted my S4.

Then I flashed my S4 to 4.3 with Odin then I've rooted again with cf-autoroot.

In download mode it says KNOX Warranty 0x1

So ? What's the meaning off this ? What is KNOX on my S4 ?

What can't I do and what can I do now with my S4 ?

Can someone explain this to me ?

I actually don't care about warranty etc..

I also don't care about bootloaders etc ? ( why change bootloaders btw ? )

And I never use any custom rom's like ( Omega - PacMan etc etc. )

I only use stock firmware and then I just root my S4...

Can someone give me some information ?

Thanks :)))
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bessagabriel:
Basically, since you just root your rom and don't care about the warranty, you won't be able to use KNOX features anymore or downgrade to stocks roms without the KNOX bootloader.
[Galaxy S 4 General] LuLuke:
Is it really necesarry to use KNOX ?

And what am I able to do and what not ?

Is there any info about that maybe ?

Thankss
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bessagabriel:
No, isn't necessary, it's just a feature.

This thread is for research, we should continue our conversation here!
[Galaxy S 4 General] LuLuke:
What do you mean about downgrading to stock roms ?

Like downgrading to 4.2.2 for example atm ?

Why downgrading actually where you have to upgrade always ? :)

Thanks
[Galaxy S 4 General] dannyella:
All the times that i've been stuck in bootloop or hard bricked phone, i always resort to downgrading and works all the time...and now i can't anymore.
[Galaxy S 4 General] taltalon:
Can Odin Still be used with Stock KNOX based FWs?

Hi Folks,

I dont root. i just want to install the latest FW for my device when ever available. FW may be from another region (i.e INU for example).

Can i still use Odin with KNOX enabled firmwares?

If i have a Knox enabled firmware installed and i want to downgrade to another KNOW enabled firmware (lets say older then mine due to issue for example), Can ODIN still be used here?

will any of this trigger the Knox flag?

And....Can someone clearly state which S4 firmwares are now KNOX Enabled for the I9500 model?

Thanks

tal
[Galaxy S 4 General] RobHands:
Well just got news today from Samsung Customer Service Switzerland, and indeed they confirmed that a 0x1 will void warranty completely.

DAMN YOU SAMMY!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Destroyedbeauty:
It's sad to see that Samsung is moving closer and closer toward the infamous "Apple attitude and treatment"..
[Galaxy S 4 General] manu44:
After you upgraded to 4.3 ( before using CF root ) was your KNox Status was it 0x0 ?

---------- Post added at 11:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:48 PM ----------

Right Now i am on 4.2.2. If i use a Pre rooted ODIn 4.3 file then also KNOX warranty would get Triggered?

---------- Post added at 11:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:48 PM ----------

Right Now i am on 4.2.2. If i use a Pre rooted ODIn 4.3 file then also KNOX warranty would get Triggered?
[Galaxy S 4 General] jozef710i:
I hate you sansung. Waiting for Nexus 5. Samsung never ever never.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Let's make a massive protest against them. When all xda users take a way to get to them and make bad publicity maybe they change they minds. They've been raised with our good word. I alone have sold 10 top galaxy's to apple traditional costumers. If we act together the same way we put they up maybe we can push them a bit down. Alone we are nothing together we are many.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
It won't , and it's a lie from them to gain more money from you
[Galaxy S 4 General] RobHands:
And and on what assumption is this based on...?
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
this is based on fact that people got warranty in EU with knox void 0x1 (even i had that) but they were never able to check it
[Galaxy S 4 General] RobHands:
Great for you and all the others who can count on that. Switzerland not an European Union member. Manufacturer warranty is not mandatory it's an optional service. Therefore manufacturers dictate the warranty terms...
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Oh that's most likely the reason. Sorry geography and that isn't what I'm knowledge at
[Galaxy S 4 General] RobHands:
No worries :angel:, same boat were sitting here in...
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Guys... let me make this simple for you

flashing = eFused = " hardware damage " made by owner = no warranty
[Galaxy S 4 General] tabenf:
knox

When I boot into download mode Al it says is binary custom and device custom no know warranty 0x1 or any of that
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tanis64:
That's because you're still on the old bootloader.

This one doesn't show that information about KNOX Warranty Void Flag.
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
that's what I call planned obsolescence, they deliberately built in a part that breaks down without the Owner doing anything to the hardware, just that they can raise their sells...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Nah I'm not sure that's 100% true unless it will make your device unboot able. The device was working without any issue until my phone completely died :D

And basically samsung are forced to fix the phones after doing this.

The root method has been working without any issues at all before.

Since samsung implemented it without any warnings it's their fault if it's causing any damage to the mother board since they didn't give you any informative details.

So by judging of what I've seen this is a way to get you to either buy a new Samsung device or leave it ;) samsung obviously doesn't care that developers want to improve their work. They could at least make an option to choose between unlocked or still locked bootloader instead of forcing you to stop using their phone.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Blezz:
do I understand correctly?

if I root now and the eFuse triggers it will destroy my phone?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hen-3:
Yeah smoke will come out and you will have 10 seconds to throw it away before it blows up.
[Galaxy S 4 General] timberwolf60:
Your knox counter will set to 0x1 which cannot be reset.so warranty void in my country. You still can used the phone as normal except knox related applications will stopped working.

Send via i9505 using TapatalkPro,

ROM: I9505XXUEMJ3_Vega

CSC/Modem: OLBEMJ2(STH)/XXUEMJ3

Kernel/recovery: Stock

SuperSU Pro 1.65, 64GB FAT32 Card
[Galaxy S 4 General] Blezz:
your so funny, I can't stop laughing.

Are you sure your right on xda-developers, the page people helping people?

Thanks for the information.

On the post I've quoted it sounded like it's doing a real damage to the hardware.

By the way, I guess you mean 0x1?

Got a protection plan for the phone so if I need warranty I just drop it. :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
First of all a little typo correction for the post above: the counter/flag will set to 0x1 (and not 0x0).

Second i would ask if it is possible to sum up the impacts of the set knox flag?

It is correct to assume that the "samsung knox features" will not work because of the "corrupted" knox container, so say goodby to enterprise / goverment use.

The warranty status is very loose, varrying from country to servicecenter..

Are there any known restrictions when having the flag set?

Anyone with the knox flag here flashing arround like usual from rom to rom experiencing any problems?
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
One good thing to reclaim warranty is to burn up the mob. There's a way to do that? Killing phones will set phone to 0x0. Lol. Só no warranty void.
[Galaxy S 4 General] matale0:
i just find out mine says 0x1

got OTA latest german update and cant install knox app

so was reading and i see i got 0x1

so no solution to that one so far?

phone works fine gets OTA, but kies dosent work i mean updates

and in phone settings i can update ota

i guess i dont need it that much, and i dont care about warranty
[Galaxy S 4 General] tabenf:
First time flashing leaked firmware trough odin i did not have a warranty bit in download mode second time i flashed i got warranty bit but it is at 0 and device is official any thoughts
[Galaxy S 4 General] leeomendes:
Omg, so much for nothing...

> For the ones that couldn't wait and already flashed 4.3 via odin, YOU CAN'T ROOT, you already got the new bootloader and rooting your phone will set to 0x1.

> For the ones waiting, just flash echoe rom or omega rom (I9505) or wait for the new omega release (I9500). All the 4.3 features on a rooted firmware with the old bootloader. So simple...

I think they are not allowed to make a update on your phone when you send it to fix if you tell them to don't do so... Well, yeah no worries.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
What if you got your phone back from service center and it's new bootloader can I flash a custom recovery without triggering Knox :p

Sorry I'm a noob sorry for my question :(

I'm to lazy to use search so you're forced to answer me help please :(!

Seriously. Since I got mine from service center I've got new boot loader and I'm knox 0x0 . Last time my phone was in service center they said they updated it to latest firmware (which was MGA i think) but they didn't I thought I had the same luck but this time i wasn't that lucky. When I've tried knox (when updated) I'll don't mind to root it and get 0x1. But for now stick with not rooting the device until there's a workaround (if any will come)

But I might going to investigate in this :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] leeomendes:
Just write a note on it asking them to don't make any update. Man, My point is if you want 4.3 there is a way to get it without worring about knox ****, but if you need warranty then this is another thing. I just wanted 4.3 and that is it, never had problem with my phone and it's covered by a insurance company, I don't really mind about warranty or anything...
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
Are you serious mate? "Just write a note on it asking them to don't make any update." :confused:

Do you really think the service center would care about your note?

The very first thing they do (if possible) is flashing the newest available firmware to ensure it is not a software issue... :mad:
[Galaxy S 4 General] leeomendes:
¬¬' I am out!
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
Sorry mate i dont wanted to sound rude or something, its just the fact.

I am afraid we will end all with a knox bootlaoder someday, i just hope we find a proper solution to use our phones how we would like to use them.

But there is hope for sure, i have seen it too often here on xda! :thumbup:
[Galaxy S 4 General] leeomendes:
I understand you, but what I mean is, all the three times I had to send my old S2 to the warranty service it was literally DEAD, no power or anything... I mean, if it's a software issue most of the people will be able to get help here or even fix it with a easy update from a updated rooted firmware, anything that doesn't involve flashing the new bootloader. That is my case... I've never had any problems with my S4 so far, apart from the camera firmware that was fixed updating the android version... Anyway, I'm hoping for someone too to get rid of this crap :good: :laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] kaalalto:
I have one question about this damned bootloader and KNOX : as you know, branded variants of the Galaxy S4 (Verizon, At&T...) come with locked bootloader. However, hackers have been able to edit it in order to install custom roms and root.

So, can we imagine that we can "hack" the new KNOX-enabled bootloaders on the i9505 in order to :

Flash previous bootloaders

Software enabling/forcing the 0x0 trigger

Thanks for you answer !