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[Xperia Z1 General] @ARC-S@:
Perfectly working screen

My screen is working perfectly normal no yellow tint, no problems with anything... I guess I'm one of the lucky ones lol :P In terms of saturation it's great especially when I'm outside... I'm on fully stock .257 and locked bootloader.
[Xperia Z1 General] jonmorris:
Surely you'd need a physical device to attach to the screen to measure things like that, as well as brightness etc.

The phone can't know what the screen is actually performing like - only what data it is sending to the panel. As such, any app would only be able to show those settings.
[Xperia Z1 General] :
Just got my Z1! It looks pretty good but will compare with my Z Ultra and do some tests later. :good::good:
[Xperia Z1 General] Cloverfi:
Contrast decreases 15 times at an angle. So again, poor eIPS, like in Z1

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Sony, why do it again? You also have the normal IPS like in Z ULTRA and SHARP IGZO. Why?
[Xperia Z1 General] danw_oz:
IMO they didn't, my screen is great, even my Xperia Z was very good especially outside in bright light, and my Z1 screen is definitely better than the Xperia Z.

Maybe all you guys should take off the plastic protector that the phone came shipped with ;)
[Xperia Z1 General] LorHan:
I have a slight yellow tint on my screen. how can I get rid of it ?

Envoyé de mon C6903 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Xperia Z1 General] omar300:
my z1 has perfect screen far as i can tell.

compared to my nexus 4, screen is flawless.

also i compared the phone with ZU next to it. they were exactly the same.

atleat in canada ZU and Z1 have same screens.
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
You're lucky if your Z1 screen is perfect, as my one is the worst screen on a phone i've owned for a while.

Here's my Z1 and LG G2 screen together.

DSC01160 by NeilMc1983, on Flickr

DSC01159 by NeilMc1983, on Flickr
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
how about this one ? (it's not mine, it's Geoffxxs photo)

Colors look pretty good to me. In mine Z1 red would change into violet at this angle ;/

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wjyribmc2tlx4es/130921-004848.jpg
[Xperia Z1 General] omnius1:
It'd be more useful if we could have the original image of that tiger to see for ourselves, do you have it?

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Awesome, that's where I bought mine :)

I tested a few 1080p tiger images as well against the only other 1080p i own -nexus7- and I was getting nice reds like the above g2 image on both it and my z1 so I guess I'm good :)

At the end of the day though, who really cares how still images look on your phone? Anyone will be wanting to view quality images on a large screen anyway. What's more important is how vibrant movies look on it, and one need look no further than the demo videos that ship with the phone to see the excellence.

Other than that even if Neil's model has a slightly different color representation, are you really that stressed about it while using chrome Facebook and flipboard?
[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
Your screen looks kinda bad, mine looks better, I even compared some video playback vs the note 3 and the z1 had a much better display
[Xperia Z1 General] omar300:
give or take both screens have their flaws,

the lg i see is creating more greenish look when its supposed to be dark colour or black.

sony is giving more natural look in the shadow area.

i do have to say the side view is pretty bad but honestly who uses them.

i was comparing my z1 with my friend s3 and s3 looked much much better in contracts, until we checked some light colour images, where it failed to create white colour and just made everything blue like avatars.

jokes aside, it depends on what kind of screen u like. i had amoled and im done with it, i like lcd with all its flaws. plus sony has some issues of its own but im good with it all.

i see u like htc and lg type screen, they have better contracts and view angle.... so may be your next upgrade should be that ? :p
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
It's from a Samsung App called 'OLED WORLD' on the play store

Play Store Link Here
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
Hi again,

I've noticed that (for ex.) hasona , shaz2sxy , 30Seconds claim to have a perfect pitch black blacks on Z1 with a color that is almost the same as bezels color. There was even a picture of a black screen in the dark and it was nothing like mine.. and mine is the same as fallenwouts.

I've used a full black picture created in paint and also the near black greyscale uploaded by someone here. And my results are :

I can light up a wall in my bathroom with a black image on my display, how come ?

rest of the pictures are available here at my dropbox:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ryc9plt4rpqlf65/owfM8BoONl
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Thats just the nature of LCD's. they will never product true blacks like an AMOLED.

having a black image on a AMOLEDin a dark room will produce zero light. you will not see the phone.

This is a test i do at work to shut up Apple fan boys. i put a black image on my Galaxy S4, then put the same black picture on their phones, then i turn off the lights. Every phone can be seen, except the Samsung AMOLED's.

This is a old video, but it shows what im trying to explain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdhF8q2ZDQ
[Xperia Z1 General] jonmorris:
Would it be fair to say that the photo will have been adjusted to make it look better on a Samsung OLED display?
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Yes, which is why in my picture was my Z1 and G2. Neither have an AMOLED.
[Xperia Z1 General] jonmorris:
I know, but each might have different ways of enhancing the image (certainly the Z1 does, with the X-Reality for mobile mode) and the source image might be making the Z1 show things like that.

It's not as if the Z1 can't show reds and oranges correctly.
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
so what about these guys ? are they just trolling ?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=45910138&postcount=158

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=45910474&postcount=159

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46329105&postcount=340

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46341877&postcount=341
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Actually i prefer AMOLED's. i've had the Galaxy S1, S2, S3 and S4. I'm new to LCD's. :o

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i can't say if they're trolling, but from the iPhones and HTC's i've done the test with, they all fail as a big bright LCD screen is just showing a fake black, but the AMOLED is true black as each pixel can turn off so its not producing any light.

I will do the test later with my Z1, G2 and S4 and share the results with you mate. :D

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True, but using the app, every picture i tried, the Z1 had the same results. even in brigth colourful images.

Also as soon as the phone is moved so you're no longer viewing it dead straight on, the colours wash out. even my moving it 1cm off angle will result in the colours going.

The Xperia Z was slated for its garbage screen, and while Sony have improved the screen on the Z1 from the Z.... it's still poor when compared to the competition. It's poor even against the Z1 Ultra (which has a very nice screen).
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
ok, thanks a lot ! :)

I also have a SGS 2 so I'm used to an amoled BLACK black ;) I knew that there would be a difference in LCD but that's too much for me , I hope I'll get used to it.. ;)
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
I'm at work so i don't have my Z1 with me, but here's my LG G2 which is supposed to have the best LCD screen on the market...

Front

DSC01164 by NeilMc1983, on Flickr

Back

DSC01165 by NeilMc1983, on Flickr

That's just something you'll have to live with.

My brighness was set to 100%.

I think the images of the Z1's screen in the dark you posted were not true.
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
Yesterday on "SONY xperia" YT channel Sony representative said that:

does anyone can confirm it ? My Z1 is exactly the same as in this comparison, nothing like Ultra:

http://www.androidauthority.com/xpe...tra-display-comparison-viewing-angles-277660/

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neilmc1983 thanks ! :) looks like I'm overreacting.
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Ignore the Sony man, the Z1 Ultra has a better screen.
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
I've started ignoring sony, but than I've upgraded to 14.1.G.2.257 and my screen turned yellow ... (like an hour ago) ;p I should have stayed with SGS 2..
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Yellow?? :(

Can you post a picture?
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
unfortunately, the only photo equipement I have avaialble right now is Nokia 2700 ;p

but it's a yellow tint that can be seen mostly on whites and greys ( just like in my 3 years old laptop ;p or a "warm" color setting on a plasma )
[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
Either you put focus on the g2 or something is wrong with your screen, this is how it looks on mine

Viewing angles aren't as bad as yours either

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I have compared both of them, the Z Ultra has better blacks and viewing angles, when it comes to colors they are the same
[Xperia Z1 General] omnius1:
so you took an image that doesn't list either phone as compatible? there's your problem. Try using 1080p images taken with a good quality DSLR and comparing them side by side again.
[Xperia Z1 General] kannanX10:
yes display becomes dull after updating to latest .257fw and its a software issue which should be corrected with future fw updates......i even tried flashing my intial .518fw and my display was good once again so definitely its a sw issue............i do tried with other two retail z1 devices by updating to .257 and the dispaly becomes dull/grey............
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
What are you talking about???

Its a .jpg of a tiger! Its compatible with any screen!! :confused:

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I can see your brightness level is very low. Try the same test again at 100% and post the pictures again.
[Xperia Z1 General] Gitaroo:
I remember reading over early impression that the G2 color is more warm and Z1 is a bit more neutral. So the tiger pic or anything in Orange or red will be stronger on the G2.

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don't Z ultra screen in much much darker than Z1, which can make black looks better. I compared Z ultra screen with Z1 side by side, Z ultra max brightness is almost like 60% on Z1.
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
Brightness set to 100% (lights off)

Brightness set to 100% (lights on)
[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
Here you go sir, 100% brightness (auto brightness disabled)

Still not as bad as you try to make it look.

And here's the same pic on the z1 and Ipad 4, both on same brightness.

I know the viewing angles on the Z1 are not on pair with the other flagships but saying its screen is washed out and dull isn't the case here.
[Xperia Z1 General] neilmc1983:
I'm sorry, but that is a bad screen :(

Viewed straight on, it's totally acceptable, but as soon as it is moved, it washes out.

That for me, says it's a bad screen.

To the person that said viewing angles are not important, no one has their phone stuck directly in the face at all times, here's a picture of my Z1 on my desk. from this angle, i can't see what notifications i have. I can hardly see what the time is.

If im at home, i have the phone on the arm of my sofa, if a notification is received, i can't see if its worth reading or just ignoring as i can't read the washed out screen.
[Xperia Z1 General] diego9016:
People, try going into service menu (*#*#7378423#*#*), go to service tests and display. That way you can check the color reproduction from your phone.
[Xperia Z1 General] omnius1:
Angles are obviously important --- to you. You place a humongous amount of importance on the display at 45 degree and greater angles. Call me crazy but I do not think that's normal for the vast majority of users. I've never seen anyone spend so much time and effort on display angles as you.

Now as to your display comparisons, I find it curous that Jiyeon90's images are much richer and more vibrant than yours, and he also pointed out that there's either something wrong with the display on your unit or you're doing something to your Z1 in those pictures that others aren't. I tend to agree. Lastly, you again posted a set of pictures (The parrot) without linking the source photo to us so that WE can see on our own phones if it shows the same. Original source only please.
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
I look at my phone at a 45 degrees most of the time - and believe me switching from an amoled is hard.

I have exactly the same background/widget setup as [MENTION=3294786]neilmc1983[/MENTION] and it's hard to see the clock on my phone while sitting comfortably in my chair, clock is white background is blueish - but at that angle they just blend.. My workstations monitor has better vieweing angles that my phone ;)

edit

I've also tried to use it as navigation and it looked good while looked dead on - but my girlfriend asked me if my new phone was broken, because it looked like **** from the passengers seat.
[Xperia Z1 General] omnius1:
Nevermind, I found the original 1080p image. Here's something very interesting I found:

I brought your above images up on a 1080p monitor. Then I brought up the original parrot photo. The Xperia Z1 color representation was slightly lighter in shade than the original image when looking at the darker yellows on the lower part of the bird's chest, the darker blues, and the green crest on head appeared about the same. However the differences were much less pronounced on my phone than they are on yours for some strange reason.

When comparing the original against you LGG2 image however, I noticed that the G2 has over-saturated those same darker color regions. The dark yellow on chest was more orange, the dark blues were darker than the original and the green crest was darker than the original.

So it looks to me on my end that neither phone is representing the original colors better than the other. No winner there. It does however look to me that your own Z1 display isn't performing as well as mine or Jiyeon90's.

Conclusion: You lost the display lottery. Mine is representing colors much better than yours and so apparently is Jiyeon90's. Although I see no reason why that requires you to obsess so much about it across multiple threads. The rational thing to do would be to exchange it but in you case I would not suggest that because you have a clear agenda set in your mind to discredit this phone in a forum setting. In your case I'd return it and enjoy your G2.
[Xperia Z1 General] Gitaroo:
just downloaded the OLED world app, and wow!, I have to thanks this threat, I thought I lost the display lottery but the tiger pic didn't get wash out like the pics posted here when I look at my screen in an angle. I always though the screen shifted color a bit (well everything screen does even the one that claim to have perfect viewing angle) gets a little lighter in color means I have bad panel. The real bad panels are much worse. Guess ZOMG's source was correct, that C6906 should save the same quality screen from I5s and non from the Z left over.
[Xperia Z1 General] eagleeyetom:
Guys, please don't make this thread your personal battlefield.

I understand that disagreement is a part of conversation, but don't use this thread to do some name calling, insulting etc.

Take a deep breath, make yourself a tea and move on.

Thread cleaned a bit BTW.
[Xperia Z1 General] omnius1:
Awesome thank you!
[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
Obviously neilmc1983 is used to amoled & oversaturated screens, over-saturation =/= good

When I compare my Z1 to the ipad 4 which uses the same display as the iphone 5, they are pretty much the same, there are hardly any noticeable differences, which to me is great since the iphone 5 is supposed to have the most accurate screen of all smartphones.

So you people should stop whining and enjoy your phone :)

my last post about the subject

cheers :good:
[Xperia Z1 General] omnius1:
Couldn't agree more, good post :good:
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
so here's mine picture of Z1 screen while looking dead on ;) i took it with 250x magnification

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c6va9q42eh32vsl/PIXECT-20131112101228.jpg

referencing to this (http://cdn-ak.f.st-hatena.com/images/fotolife/a/advantaged/20130228/20130228231936.png) it could be any type of screen, but definitely not the same as Ultras (and sony claims opposite) - and I'm still waiting for the explanation form Polish Sony office. Doesn't the ripple effect of the screen mean that it's a VA screen (IPS doesn't ripple after strong touch ?) ?

Just to easy my mind ( I know it was explained earlier), but:

is it possible to get black levels as on this picture (displaying black picture with 100% brightess ?)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jh15u0pm40n0aj0/DSC_0006_1_.jpg

because mine looks this way:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ryc9plt4rpqlf65/owfM8BoONl

is there a final answer to the main question: are there different displays mounted in different Z1s (if so - what is the difference?)
[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
All the Z1s have the same screen and no its not the same as the z ultra.

Lastly you can't get true black levels like that on a LCD screen, the reason it looks like that is because some cameras reduce the light coming from the screen inmensily in dark rooms, making it look like real black.
[Xperia Z1 General] charliechocolate:
Where else is this ZOMG referenced? I've searched this whole thread for it, and find no other mention to "zomg". Thanks...
[Xperia Z1 General] Gitaroo:
he is from Neogaf forum

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87285064&postcount=521

He does number crunching for different electronic companies, get a lot of insiders info. What he mention about the 4.3 update is interesting.......
[Xperia Z1 General] charliechocolate:
Thanks for that Gitaroo.

I have a C6909 locked to Rogers. Colours are great head-on, but viewing angles suck. It is what it is. I'm happy with the phone _overall_. When I was buying it, there was a Ultra demo unit, and indeed they put a brilliant panel in it. Too bad a smaller version didn't make it's way into the Z1.
[Xperia Z1 General] TheOnly1:
Hu. I have an Ultra and wy wife a Z1. Both displays are exactly the same in terms of colour reproduction and viewing angles. No difference at all.
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
[MENTION=3294786]neilmc1983[/MENTION] so I managed to take photos of my yellow screen today (with locked white balance setting on camera - SGS2 ;p) and also you can find a screenshot for reference :)

screenshot:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q3xalfvol18lf9p/Screenshot_2013-11-14-16-41-22.png

and here's the comparison of the screen after 257 update (up) and the same screen after using screen adjuster..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iazbd5plvz2alsr/comp.png

The problem with screen adjuster is that it changes white balance/backlight constantly (in ~1 sec intervals). I'll try to record it :)
[Xperia Z1 General] LiberOz:
my s/n starts with BH90J

i also have a Z and see the difference with two screens. in first pic you see without filter. second pic with filter. there is a huge difference.i wish sony could solve this problem with a new update...
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
Exactly same problem ! My serial is BH90F.

I've noticed one problem with the screen filter, the white balance is not constant. It's not visible during normal usage, but it makes me angry ;p

try viewing this picture with the screen filter on :

http://dl.project-voodoo.org/screen-tests/near-black.png

and you'll se how the screen flickers(or you won't see it - but mine does ;) )

I also wrote a message to one of the users who've had this problem on old FW and he told me that his screen came back to normal after few times of new FW flashing ;)
[Xperia Z1 General] LiberOz:
i tried viewing that pic and results were amazing. with high brightness 1st pic with filter 2nd pic without filter...there are huge difference
[Xperia Z1 General] paniczklos:
So i just left the nearest sony centre. I've compared my phone to another one with .257 and mine was duller and had yellow tint the other one had colors even nicer than mine with screen adjuster. I'll try to replace it...

Wysłane z mojego C6903 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Xperia Z1 General] vctrdnl:
I don't know whether Sony actually uses different screen types in Z1, or not, but I know this for sure - I am deeply disappointed by the two units I have tried, so I returned both of them. The yellowish tint was the smaller issue, the bigger was that the first one had 2 stuck pixels (not visible on every color), and the second - one dead pixel (which remained black in every condition). I don't remember the S/N of the first device I had, but the current one begins with BH90E (there was a thread which compared serial numbers to screen quality but I can't find it now). If it came only to the yellowish screen, I would have been able to live with the Z1, but the pixel faults really kill the deal for me. I haven't stumbled upon such a device before, and now I get two faulty screens in a row, coming from two different resellers, too...

I will upload some pictures comparing the display quality between the Z1 and my good old Sony Xperia S. I apologize for the poor quality but the pictures were taken with a legacy device like HTC Wildfire S (the sharp shooters were posing on the table :laugh: ). As you can probably see, Z1's screen doesn't actually provide the needed improvement over Xperia S. I have expected quite more, and now I am wondering where to find a Z1 unit with a "decent" display as I am otherwise pretty fond of the phone's characteristics, looks and feels...

As far as I'm concerned, colors on Xperia S look brighter, sharper and more vivid, while Z1 represents them with the typical yellow overlay, making them look dull and uninspiring. Viewing angles are quite comparable on both devices (Z1 generally has a tad better visibility from unusually small angles, not sure if the pictures actually show this).

Z1 displays much deeper blacks and definitely brighter whites (no noticeable yellow hue here - strangely enough). Xperia S shows colder colors, white looks somewhat purplish next to Z1.

Brightness is set to 100% on both devices, of course.

Still hoping to find a Z1 device with a screen that matches the rest of its characteristics though... :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
If you have a dead pixel they should give you a new phone, no doubt about that.

Seems like you had really bad luck coz your screen looks really yellow. Just get it exchanged, hopefully the next one should have a normal screen
[Xperia Z1 General] pecholino:
so if they really put an old lcd unit in our Z1's (z leftovers), this means that we don't have triluminous displays right? so that means we didn't get what's written on the box and advertised right? if so.. i guess they are obligated to change our phones or give us the money back. or am i wrong?
[Xperia Z1 General] vctrdnl:
^ At this point this is just a wild speculation. Nevertheless, screen quality varies across different units and serial numbers, indeed. The best solution is to preview your device personally before you buy it. Online purchases are just too risky at the moment, at least until Sony sorts out its production and QA issues.
[Xperia Z1 General] aed0101:
The lower the color temperature, the warmer (more yellow) the display. My display (monitor) is perfectly (deltas < 0.9) calibrated with colorimeter and compared to original non-calibrated settings white looks a little bit yellowish. Higher color temperature usually provide more blueish whites.
[Xperia Z1 General] djcoolguyno1:
I want to ask is brightness related to yellow hue problem?I compared my mobile with 6 other z1 mine was brighter than all 6 of them with considerable margin