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[Galaxy S 4 General] Tanis64:
As far as I know, you can do everything except of using KNOX Software and Container. So be careful if you already have a KNOX Container with sensitive Data you will not be able to access it anymore after the KNOX Warranty Void Flag is triggered.

Regards

Send from the outback with my GT-I9505
[Galaxy S 4 General] _alex74_:
Hey you fellas,

take a look at this:

https://futureservice.samsung.it/estimates.php?model=GT-I9505&defect=18H#

This is Official Samsung Repair Center in Italy....

In list of defects i will transate in English as: Root done in Operating system.

Actually we know for sure that rooting will trip your knox Flag.

- so Samsung Center will repair my rooted phone as Knox flagged?

There is a Center nearby here, but i'm out of town ATM for work.

Soon i will go there with my 0x1 S4 flagged and rooted with Philz to see if they really reset it:D:D(no other defects, fone's working stunning thanks to Indie's Omega ROM:highfive::good:)

Wait a little guys, i will report here as soon i will be back home.....

15 euro for resetting Knox flag in fact is nothing....

I think that a lot of users report Knox resetting by Samsung is real, even for 15 euro(reported by other members elsewhere:D;):cyclops:)

I will report for real, no need of lying or faking, just to prove to community if can be really done via software or jig, i will specifiy to them i will not loose my data;)

so if they do just in time, we will know that can be done:fingers-crossed::victory:
[Galaxy S 4 General] anmar21:
I've found a "solution" to knox 0x1: I sold my I9505 and bought a Nexus 5.
[Galaxy S 4 General] _alex74_:
Are you just joking???:rolleyes::rolleyes:

You probably do a bad affair, in fact Nexus 5 offers a lot less in terms of hardware and software....

BTW with Kitkat you'll probably face worst than Knox :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] anmar21:
Yes, I am. Right guess!

A bad affair? I don't think so. N5 hardware > GS4 hardware, go check the specs if you have any doubt on it or any YouTube comparison.

In terms of software, it depends on what you need. I don't use a lot the touchwizz features so for me no complain. However if you can't live without smart stay, smart view, smart scroll and air view just stay with your Samsung. By the way 4.4 is very smooth and stable, I'll let you check by yourself in 6 months when an OTA will be available.

By the way I'm not here to mock GS4's owners, I'm just sharing my point of view. We all know Samsung messed up with this knox story and I'm confident that a dev will find a solution soon.
[Galaxy S 4 General] leolysenko:
LOL

I also have a solution for knox 0x1: if you need to take the phone to the service, just hard brick it. They will have to replace the motherboard and I doubt they will find out what happened to the old one. The only problem now is to get a universal solution of hard bricking any phone so it would not enter recovery nor download. In service you can say that while updating through kies smth went wrong and the phone does not start anymore... how is that for a solution?
[Galaxy S 4 General] _alex74_:
JOKE before sleep

flash 9500 kernel on 9505 or vice versa...... fone will not boot anymore.... hard brick MB replaced and KNOX not checkable

PS do not try at all what sayed above

good night fellas:D
[Galaxy S 4 General] Obagleyfreer:
Flashing a kernel on a phone it's not intended for will not hard brick it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] leolysenko:
It's not a joke. This is a way to have warranty even if knox is 0x1. The only problem is hard bricking.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Cool stories but I think this is not the place to discuss about such things.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jadajada:
Can someone explain this for me in an easy way?

I have an S4, I have gone from Stock ROM to Omega v14. I have also tried the GE 4.3 ROM, which I am on currently. I did not know of any Knox-things, and I now see Knos Warranty 0x1 in Download mode.

I tried to flash a new modem in Odin and it failed.

I cannot get into recovery anymore. It starts with a screen saying "Firmware upgrade encountered".

What can I do? Can I reflash Stock with Odin?
[Galaxy S 4 General] nielsscholte:
Reboot into download and try to flash the latest official rom from sammobile.com
[Galaxy S 4 General] leeomendes:
If you want to hardbrick your device just put it into download, when it is about half way remove the usb cable... it worked for me LOL (by mistake...)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jadajada:
But I would have to go for a 4.3 ROM then, or? If I haven't misunderstood something, knox will prevent me from dowgrading to 4.2.2? There is no 4.3 for my carrier yet, but I can choose one from another country and install that?
[Galaxy S 4 General] nielsscholte:
Just get the 4.3 from Germany or the UK
[Galaxy S 4 General] jadajada:
Seems like there is a 4.3 for my carrier after all. Just tried to flash I9505XXUEMJ7_I9505TENEMJ8_I9505XXUEMJ7_HOME.tar from sammobile. It failed in Odin.

I was able to flash CWM and it boots 4.3 Google Edition again now, but I would like to get it as "stock" as possible. I am going to sell it. I know that I won't be able to remove the knox flag 0x1, but what is my best route now?

Could I flash the pre-rooted 4.3 rom I have seen somewhere in here? If so, is there a way to remove root and reinstall custom recovery? The it would be as close to stock as possible.
[Galaxy S 4 General] jtl999:
Has anyone tried editing the Knox software to ignore the tripped KNOX counter so you can still access your containers. Seems like a interesting project.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ranger4740:
Interesting idea, if the apk/s can be decompiled and the subroutines found then it might be possible to bypass or fake a logical "0" flag.

Lol if it was gwbasic or ms basic or even turbo pascal I could do it myself ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] chudy_85:
I have a question

whether it is someone who has android 4.3 and Knox 0x0 and root cause needs to pulled the files to compare if so, please write to pm to tell about which files I mean
[Galaxy S 4 General] pezlomd:
From what I understand if I use Odin to flash a custom recovery it will trip the knocks counter... But my question is can I just flash a custom recovery and then flash a custom ROM without any issues other than tripping the counter?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Yes and yes.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kwbmm:
If Knox is already installed, whatever modification you make to your phone will trip the flag, no matter how you do it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Absolon:
When I talked to Samsung yesterday there was no problem to send it the phone if you tripped the flag (as a developer).

My question is still what the tripping will do? In what way will it affect my phone? Because if it's just warranty then duck it, but if it's doing something else that is bad then there is a big problem.

So I don't know if Samsung has other rules in other countries. In Sweden they said it was just a simple reflash.

/Absie
[Galaxy S 4 General] nightly_shadow:
umm, I don't really understand this. I'm on 4.2.2 Australia Vodafone.

but I can't see the knox thing in my download mode. In other words it haven't been installed on my device yet

can I flash custom ROM or root wihout tripping this knox thing?

thanks
[Galaxy S 4 General] HSishi:
I think it came with the 4.3 firmwares.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nightly_shadow:
CMIIW, I'm guessing that KNOX thing is activated when you upgraded to 4.3 which has KNOX bootloader.

right now im on 4.2.2 stock out of the box without KNOX bootloader, so the KNOX is not activated yet right?

so it's just a flashing counter that went up if you flash custom ROM or rooting the device and I can reset it easily with triangle away?

In other words I can revert back my s4 to stock one without having to worry about KNOX thing?
[Galaxy S 4 General] malybru:
Hi,

Yes.

Correct.

Yes.

Yes.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] jon3sh:
+1 to ⬆ i am ready to jump and flash custom recovery and I know once I do that it will trigger Knox to 0x1. Just like what he asked other than warranty what else could happen?
[Galaxy S 4 General] OrionBG:
The only other thing that will no longer work is the KNOX Secure environment (may be Samsung Wallet too but I doubt it). The only thing that the Knox warranty Void 0x1 flag controls is the ability to execute Knox Security. Nothing more, nothing less. This is why it is called "Knox warranty". If the phone have been tampered with, there is no warranty that the secure environment is still secure!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Absolon:
That is exactly the answer I'm waiting to hear from Samsung. I wrote a long mail to them yesterday and they answered me today and directed me to the "Fort Knox" in US ;)

Waiting for an answer from them.

/Absie
[Galaxy S 4 General] Adnan73:
And you think that you will have some success with emails
[Galaxy S 4 General] VaderSS:
I bought an S4 a week ago and it came with 4.2.2. I had NO clue about the Knox BS, and doing a quick Google for 4.3 issues did not bring it up, so I took the OTA update. BIG mistake... Especially since I need to root to run ARLiberator.

Thankfully, my Sprint dealer is great, and after finding they could not roll it back, gave me a direct exchange to a new S4 with 4.2.2. If they would not have done that, I would have exchanged it for a white one to get back to 4.2.2.

The technician spent a lot of time with support trying to find a way to roll my original phone back to the non-Knox firmware. He told me there was no way to roll the firmware back so an exchange (or living with Knox) was my only option.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
Worth a try ... :cool:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tanis64:
No there's also a 4.2.2 with KNOX and SELinux Bootloader (MH5 DBT)

Send from the outback with my GT-I9505
[Galaxy S 4 General] LuigiBull23:
Definitely doesn't hurt.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Anakha56:
I am going to my local Samsung Care Center Saturday morning to get a firmware downgrade. When I phoned them this afternoon and told them that I want to downgrade from 4.3 to 4.2 the guy said it can be done just needs a hour to complete because it needs to be done on a JTAG device. I will report back here on if he was successful or not.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sp@wn:
And what about the warranty?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Anakha56:
Well considering I am running a stock 4.3 rom with no warranty bit trip I should be good to go. If you are talking about them tripping the counter well the fact they are doing a JTAG install which will completely wipe the device and reinstall the OS I don't think I have anything to worry about ;). We shall see after Saturday :).
[Galaxy S 4 General] nightly_shadow:
glad to hear that! :D

one more question, the only way to check whether I have KNOX or no is by checking it in download mode (vol down + power) right?

I'm sorry for asking so many question, I've done some research before and I can't seem to understand this thing.

thanks in advance! :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] Absolon:
I got informed today that my carrier doesn't give a damn about Knox nor the flash counter. As a matter of fact I can install what I want but if I brick it

it's not on warranty. If it's hardware, then the warranty is totally ok. So no Triangle away.

Now more info about Knox and I'm happy to trip it.

I guess most of you are in USA though?
[Galaxy S 4 General] malybru:
Hi,

Yes.

Look in Download Mode: Hold Volume down, home, and power until you see the green dude.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] JaCh0o:
Any news ok in with Polish Samsung Center ??

By now i just asked authorised service point is there possibility to downgrade system and they told me there isnt (propably they dont want to do that).

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[Galaxy S 4 General] somator:
thats plain stupid,

no repair requires downgraing system to previous version so no service center will do that as a warranty repair

even if your carrier yet did not upgraded to knox enabled firmware revision - you, by flashing firmware from other carrier/region that got knox jazz inside are voiding warranty and no repair will be made to your device - at least for free
[Galaxy S 4 General] chudy_85:
Hello I wrote with a guy with samsung.pl live chat and asked in August about knox or cancels guarantees if it is set to 0x1. He answered me with no voids the warranty if the system status is official and so we can not tamp custom binary and have official status. I asked in August or in the event of a problem with the warranty I can rely on a conversation with him that he said will not be such a need but just in case I did screen shots as to not want to accept it they will send e-mail and can kiss my ass
[Galaxy S 4 General] somator:
sorry but such screen shoted conversation has no legal strenght ;]

also there were no firmware with knox at august but at october 1st with first 4.3 leaks

and 16th i asked samsungpolska spoksmen about it and here is his response http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46529945&postcount=652
[Galaxy S 4 General] toker_X1:
Samsung fixed my Note 3 screen today as it died only after 8 weeks. My KNOX is 0x1 but I did reflash stock firmware before I took it in for repair.

This is in the UK and Samsung didn't say anything about my KNOX counter but they didn't reset it either.

Just hardware repair so my warranty was valid even with KNOX 0x1
[Galaxy S 4 General] radicalisto:
Was it an actual Samsung shope/centre? or a third party on behalf of Samsung ?

I refer to > http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2547223 posted earlier this evening.
[Galaxy S 4 General] toker_X1:
I went to Car Phone Warehouse as that's where I brought my phone from.

They said they had to sent it away for repair, went in on Monday and got it back today.

So that's probably a 3rd party and not Samsung direct.

If Samsung don't honor hardware faults due to KNOX I am never buying Samsung again.
[Galaxy S 4 General] radicalisto:
Most definitely seems like third parties aka carriers and Phones4U/CPW are repairing regardless.. but here in the UK we deal with the seller directly as our first, second and last point of call. So we don't have to deal with Samsung directly. As long as phone shops/carriers are repairing 0x1 we are all good.. its when they start sending to Samsung and/or seek/take advice from them we need to worry. But if/when that invetibly happens. We have the EU Directive at least!!
[Galaxy S 4 General] mrgold2505:
can you please tell me if XXUEMJ7 is old or new bootloader?
[Galaxy S 4 General] malybru:
Hi,

New.

:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] JaCh0o:
Yeah but i didnt flashed any other firmware its still official. But this upgrade 4.3 seems to be foulty (resets, battery drain much bigger then before etc.) And thats why its possible ie in india as i read on other topic.

it possible to get this screen shots from you on mail or anywhere else ?

Currently i have DBT I9505XXUEMJ5, but theres exist new one for German Region I9505XXUEMKE. Anyone tried it ? Does kies upgrade or any other flashing removes 0x1 flag ? Currenty i recieve something like 50 times a day info about breaching my seciurity on phone by many apps wich asks me to update it, does this minor update removes any knox bugs ?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
No firmware or other kind or SW can change KNOX 0x1 into 0x0!

Maybe Samsung Service Center have some "magic tool" that can be used, but this is still just speculations :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
The Amoled Screen has nothing to do with the Knox thing therefore they don't check it. However if the phone cannot boot up/in a boot loop/ has a problem with the system, then they will check it in Download mode.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Once you have root it's pretty easy to break your display...

In fact it's pretty easy to mess up with everything, that would be a reason why every OEM voids your warranty immediately if rooted.
[Galaxy S 4 General] toker_X1:
Dude you dont get it. Of course hardware screen has nowt to do with KNOX but some users has been refused repair from Samsung because they tripped the KNOX counter even tho its a hardware problem and when they offered to pay for repair Samsung refused saying device has been modified we don't support modified devices and you ran the device outside of the OEM recommendation thus warranty void.

I am was living in fear hardware failure after tripping my KNOX counter, 5 weeks later my screen died fortunately my retailer honoured the warranty and fixed it.

In the UK Samsung will not repair your phone if KNOX is tripped whether it's hardware or software problem, inside warranty or chargable repairs. This is bad news for Samsung users who mods, as you run the risk of no warranty should a fault occurs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] davidwilson83:
I asked Samsung Australia about this issue and the end result was that if Knox is tripped to 0x1 then the warranty is voided and if something goes wrong with the phone then you can't get it repaired under warranty, you would have to pay for it.

Sent from my Dominated PurifieD S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] toker_X1:
Samsung UK won't even repair it even if you offered to pay. Basically Samsung are refusing to repair any device that has KNOX tripped.

But this is against the UK/EU law and I hope someone sue Samsung for this.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Anakha56:
So I am on 4.2 again :). It seems the list of complaints I had warranted a swap out on the motherboard and because I did not get root after I went to 4.3 my warranty was still intact. On a interesting note the customer care people on my side are telling people not to upgrade from 4.2 to 4.3 due to the update causing issues with hardware, something my wife overheard another customer being told.
[Galaxy S 4 General] btmz:
I have asked an shop in germany. Its an Handy-Modding-shop. They said that they can put knox back to 0x0 for 20€?!

what do you say about?
[Galaxy S 4 General] lorenzo122:
... maybe they have some tool, i don't know, you need to ask better
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Same in Ireland
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Tell them to share their complete, tested, fully functional method with you for 1000€.

Come to xda, share with the community and get the bounty for resetting knox, currently ~2100$.

If not at least try to get as much info from them about this and better yet, tell the name of that shop so that one person with knox 0:1 and 20€ would put their claims to a test.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BudSpencer123:
If i dont see any movie, i dont belive this reseting knox counter.
[Galaxy S 4 General] acid123:
Well I had the no wifi and bluetooth issue,

Gave up after trying all the moderns and wifi fixes,

And then gave my phone in at the samsung service center,

It had Knox 0.1 at the time,

Got my phone back today within a week and Knox is back to 0.0,

Already updated to 4.3 and fully working,

Got the same phone back, same serial number and same marks I had on the bezel,

So for ppl in the uk you can take your phone in and it will be fixed if it had Knox 0.1...
[Galaxy S 4 General] PantsDownJedi:
You have to remember though, for us in Australia, no contract or opt-in can superceed the law. I don't know what the law is surrounding this but have been told in the past that in the case of one of my computers, it didn't matter if I returned it with Linux installed; that the company would have to prove that doing so caused the hardware fault. If something goes wrong with the hardware, it may well be that the same is still true. Enough Australian members with problems may well be able to find a lawyer fresh out of school that would want something like this under their belt, free of charge for the experience, if this turns out to be the case. Its a pretty easy argument that a mobile phone today is much more a mobile computer than a phone rather than a phone with a mobile computer. In any case, if the problem is wifi or the display, that hardly has anything to do with the functionality of connecting to cell towers.

I don't where we are with the law, but that Samsung says it doesn't neccisarily make it true. I don't have any faulty hardware myself but would jump on anything else such as undue anxiety over the issue or whatnot; something that's looked at as a ridiculous case in this scenario for us and as it should be but if there was something legitamate associated I surely wouldn't hesitate... corporations should follow our laws and if they don't they should be held accountable.

As a side note, I still have an iPad 2 from way on back as a tablet. I'm not really an Apple hater but I have been wronged according to our laws in the iTunes store over the years and after skipping over some firmware upgrades caused me to lose all my data and sync in such a way that I had to wait 90 days to use my US account (citizen there, permanent resident here), and after having attempted to go through the appropriate process with them before handing it off to whatever body oversees these complaints and getting nowhere but the US phone number to complain on, I gave up. I got fed up with this last thing and wrote a letter, told them I'd be talking to our church lawyer about the differances between online stores and real ones but that I felt a trade law violation is a trade law violation and that I expected this would be the advice I'd be given, threatened to find a young and eager lawyer fresh out of school salivating for just such a case on their list of achievement as a first start, and they unlocked my iPad less than 12 hours later. This goes against everything I've gone through with them in the past. I don't know if they are being lighter and trying to do some real damagae control after losing a lot of ground in Australia or if the content of the email was effective.
[Galaxy S 4 General] toeshot:
Just out of curiosity. When I am in download mode I have 'Warranty Bit 1' is that the same thing as 'Knox Warranty 0x1

Just another thought since this is a eFuse (Hardware) trip, I would think that there is a corresponding output pint that is tripping the warranty flag. My thought is to bypass this pin with the proper voltage (or no voltage) to reset this counter. The only problem is that the eFuse may be effecting more than the warranty trip flag.

Any thoughts?
[Galaxy S 4 General] davidwilson83:
The Knox thing actually says Knox Warranty Void 0x1 so I think you should be ok with that.

Regarding the pin bypass, I do remember that you could buy a USB dongle that when plugged into the Galaxy S2 it would reset the custom firmware counter. Are you proposing something similar to this? Make a USB dongle type product which bypasses a certain pin or pins to reset Knox?

Sent from my Dominated PurifieD S4
[Galaxy S 4 General] toeshot:
No I don't think a dongle would quite do it. You would have to modify the eFuse circuit so you would be looking at modding the board. Grant it this method wouldn't be for everyone if, it is possible. Think I might try and get a broke display SGH-T999 off ebay see if it possible to mod it.

[EDIT] Now that I think about it, that doesn't do any good either if they check the board. (lol this is not a win win situation)
[Galaxy S 4 General] juicyjor:
interesting. now my warranty is void
[Galaxy S 4 General] _alex74_:
ok, it can not be efuse, not on S4 atm, it has been proved, until we have three option shown(few differents screenshots around, 0xfffffffc(STHG like that), so proven for this it is not efuse, which electronically can give only 2 values.

From my point of view replacing efuse on MB is not a problem, have skills and everything at home, but will not solve the issue...

If a efuse is, means that every boot a knox check will be performed, and then burned efuse again, so it is software dependant first, and at all!!!

No efuse of course, sadly i have no time cause working out of town, but a Samsung center near my city, on the web site asks for a "root repair" 15euro, which confirm a lot of users reporting Knox resetted by that price!!

in fact we know that rooting your 4.3 S4 will trip knox flag

as soon i'm back at home, will bring there my phone, pay, and will report everything
[Galaxy S 4 General] DjeMBeY:
What are you talking about??? I got my phone repaired (WiFi&BT) and KNOX was 0x1......

Fixed directly by Sammy UK ;)

Sent from my Z1