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[Galaxy S 4 General] stan low:
Hi

I flashed De La Vega last night over the latest firmware update and tripped knox 0x1, I unrooted SU and did a factory reset on the phone, when it booted up the wifi wouldn't work (turning on wifi screen). 3 times I did a factory reset and the wifi still didn't work so took it into the EE shop (UK) today and their sending it off to be fixed, I did say to them, which is the truth, that when I flashed a new firmware update for my Note 3 the other night my lappy shut down while installing it (over heated) so could this problem cause knox to flag but i didn't say anything about the knox 0x1 to them in the shop. People on here have been saying UK Samsung have fixed the phone with 0x1 but I'm crapping myself that they won't, I'm not paying EE £51.55 a month for a phone that doesn't work? any ideas UK guys, thanx :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] PANCAN:
thats quiet good but i wonder why samsung isn´t changeing anything don´t they care about losing people like me and any other root users
[Galaxy S 4 General] gazeddy:
They think they are untouchable sadly
[Galaxy S 4 General] PANCAN:
thats a known issue
[Galaxy S 4 General] stan low:
You mean an interuption while installing a new firmware update Pancan
[Galaxy S 4 General] gazdajezda:
Just like Nokia few years ago :D They will get their portion back, don't worry, nobody likes such ignorantic behaviour...
[Galaxy S 4 General] bogdan1980:
Sad news for Samsung long time users , an awesome developer, the last one on S2 just announce he will be buying an Lg G2 and enter Lg development side. As first option he was on S4 but guess that all the horror sorry Know, bootloader story scary him. Adio Samsung and nice funerals.
[Galaxy S 4 General] PANCAN:
no I meant the issue with the wifi connection

that the interruption while installing isn´t good should be clear ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Youngpuzzlez:
so does this mean there is no way to get warrenty back after root?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gazeddy:
In europe you can push for warranty but no once rooted warranty is gone
[Galaxy S 4 General] goodex:
Somethimes they dont check your counter but that could be luck :)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Damir78:
Actually, most of them do not care about it. If your Knox is 0 or 1, they have no right to void your warranty. And they don't. Except if you bricked the device with your custom software.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Regarding warranty in case of knox 0:1 seems we're close to an official standpoint.

" -*(Samsung KNOX Service Support)

Jan 05 14:11

Dear xxx,

Thank you for the follow up. There has been many discussions regarding the article due to legal reasons. The revised article should be made available to the public sometime next week. We greatly appreciate your patience.

Best regards
Steve
Samsung KNOX Team
www.samsungknox.com"

Maybe there will be no need for resetting knox on our own.. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] MrC85:
No not yet, still working on it apprently
[Galaxy S 4 General] stan low:
My Knox issue

I'll keep you all informed as and when I get my Galaxy Note 3 back, Knox is tripped and it's been sent to Samsung for repair, fingers crossed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] [opensys]:
I don't think that will be so easy :) but the hope and bad people are the last to die.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mahmoud007:
knox

Bad news

To reset knox you must change the main board -_-

it is not an efuse like most of people says ... its just Knox locking device with encrypted security to protect the device as they say

My last device from Samsung is s4

im going to another type of devices that does not try to be iphone and treat me as real owner
[Galaxy S 4 General] nitrate:
What's the source of this news? I don't believe this until you give a trusted source.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
yea, we have half-knowledge from everywhere... :good:

people are asuming and debating about what a friend heard from a friends friend, who had a friend who heard from another friend that...

...this thread should be renamed to [RUMORS] instead of [RESEARCH] :p
[Galaxy S 4 General] paulocalil:
I've read something about a file in the folder eMMC, that controls the knox flag.

Sorry about my english.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nitrate:
LOL, I highly doubt that... :screwy:

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[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
If so... someone like chainfire had ripped this folder apart. Don't buy that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] viktorak:
Hi guys, I have officially asked Samsung KNOX, what should I do with my phone.I have theKNOX flag to 1, but no one warned me that this has no solution. This is the response I received today from Samsung KNOX:

Dear Viktor,

The “KNOX Warranty Void” bit (or simply KNOX bit) is used to detect if a non-KNOX

kernel has been loaded on the device. It is a one-time programmable bit in e-fuse,

which can only be turned from “0” to “1” (i.e. burned). If a non-KNOX boot loader

or kernel has been put on the device, KNOX can no longer guarantee the security of

the KNOX Container. As a result, this KNOX bit will be burned to “1”, indicating that

this device can no longer use the KNOX Container service. There are two possible

scenarios: first, a new KNOX Container can no longer be created on such a device;

and second, the data encrypted and stored in an existing KNOX Container can no longer

be retrieved. Everything else should work just as before.

As for the hardware/device warranty, our policy is that if a custom binary is put on

the device, then Samsung cannot guarantee the normal function of the hardware any longer.

This means any malfunction of the device resulting from the rooting will not be covered under warranty.

Please note that resetting the KNOX warranty will not be possible once the fuse is triggered.

For more information, please contact your local Samsung mobile Service and Support center .

This response does not provide much information .I don´t think that this is a counter- eFUSE

keep looking,good luck
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
As for the hardware/device warranty, our policy is that if a custom binary is put on

the device, then Samsung cannot guarantee the normal function of the hardware any longer.

This means any malfunction of the device resulting from the rooting will not be covered under warranty.

This IS NOT valid for people with EU citizenship ... !
[Galaxy S 4 General] viktorak:
I do not understand exactly,what do you thinking:good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] gazeddy:
In the eu warranty cant be voided by software mods unless it is proven to be down to your changes causing damage. Ie overclock burning cpu out
[Galaxy S 4 General] viktorak:
Thanks man.Then I can continue flashing!:laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] gazeddy:
Its never stopped me i just avoid overclocks
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
About Directive 1999/44/CE http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-and-flashing-your-device-does-not-void-the-warranty-in-eu
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Come on, not again...!

To all that say rooting is legal and that it doesn't void the warranty, try calling/talking with your local, european Samsung/Sony /HTC /LG /etc representatives or even with the local representatives of your country's consumer's rights authority and see what they have to say about this mumbo-jumbo talk on the Internet ;)

We need this problem to have it's special reglementation in the legal system.

For the moment it's just another grey area of which Samsung (and all the other OEMs) can abuse.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Damir78:
Rooting is NOT allowed, but in EU if you are STUBBORN, THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT IT'S YOUR FAULT WHAT CAUSED DAMAGE. In EU rooting is not strictly forbidden, and it shouldn't because YOU ARE THE OWNER!

You have well paid for this device and you must have all rights - to have full control over it, just like in PC world!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Byteater:
I'm not a developer, but I have an idea.. Maybe I'm wrong.. But have you ever think about a "hidden partition", like the one made by truecrypt inside an another one, which store the warranty bit? I've read the thread and I suddenly thought about it..
[Galaxy S 4 General] mahmoud007:
knox

Will repartition option alone with good proper pit file w/o pda file removes the memory data and knox kernel ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
The counter remains tripped even after writing with jtag a full dump with knox 0x0 on a cleaned emmc (with 0x1 previously).

After the first reboot the counter goes from 0x0 to 0x1.
[Galaxy S 4 General] trybi:
So, is there anyone in Poland specificaly (or anywhere) that had the phone fixed by warranty with a flag tripped?

I bought an S4 from a second hand not knowing a thing about the knox sh** and found out that the flag is tripped just now! cant return it now, it's been to long...

does anyone have some experience here? There are several service centers, maybe it's better to try a specific company before going to court;)

I

I've had a situation once with samsung service, when i've sent my GT-I9100 for service and they voided my warranty due to "flooding it" though it never took place. It was just an ailment specific to the S2 that itt was getting moist while talking a lot... I've made a bit of a fuss on their facebook fanpage and they asked me to send the phone once again. Repaired it and gave me back the warranty:cowboy:ic

maybe going public on their FB with the knox sh** is the way to fightour rights?

And still... is it possible to flash a custom rom with a flag tripped?
[Galaxy S 4 General] xarda:
I am sure that resetting flag is possible. I believe in XDA programmers :) Every protection can be bypass. hurry up I belong to group with flag :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Irwenzhao:
I would apply brute force onto Knox.

Smack that thanks button if I helped!

Note 2 LTE powered by Illusion ROM and Plasma Kernel.

Sent from dat small country called Singapore.
[Galaxy S 4 General] arleybarros:
Anyone saw this?

Source:

http://wikiwikihow.com/331/gt-i9505-bootloader-cracked-x-xda-user
[Galaxy S 4 General] theunderling:
I have read loads of posts about knox, and I wont be buying another Samsung unless it is removed/sorted out.

Someone somewhere has got to "buy" the solution from a Samsung technician (there must be one somewhere that has a gambling habit, or a crack cocaine addiction, or could be tempted by a leggy blonde).The cash could easily be recouped by people like me paying like £20 a go.

Ive read about a few people knowing Samsung staff, so could they not come to some sort of deal......
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mr.John:
I really don't understand about this knox stuff.. I just checked my phone, and there is no knox info in the downloader. I never upgraded from original samsung software to a newer version, but I am using CM11 and custom boot recovery..

If I flash with ODIN original samsung firmware will I still have tripped knox?
[Galaxy S 4 General] nitrate:
Way too old to achieve anything from it regarding the Note 3. Anyway it's also another phone model: S4

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[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Yea, old news actually.. [MENTION=4229979]djrbliss[/MENTION] managed to bypass the locked bootloader of Verizon's and Att's s4 so to be able to use custom recoveries and custom roms. - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2292157

Nonetheless would be cool if he would jump in this reset knox bandwagon as everything related seems to have staled..
[Galaxy S 4 General] arleybarros:
Dec 31 2013 is old?

You know this is the S4 forum?
[Galaxy S 4 General] nitrate:
Oops, I forgot that it's that forum. But using google it tells me, that it seems the S4 bootloader was cracked back in May 2013

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[Galaxy S 4 General] arleybarros:
Sorry if is old news, but the title say GT-I9505.

I really dont think knox counter is important, with a custom bootloader we can say goodbye to all knox related problems.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mahmoud007:
knox

does anyone knows how much i9505 mainboard coast ???

i was too angry and forgot to ask the service center about that !!
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
300

You would pay less if you swap just the emmc.
[Galaxy S 4 General] themissionimpossible:
Only God knows...;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
FYI

It was Chainfire himself who stated...

Source: http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/118

Prophetic...
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
From my extensive experience with different service centers I can tell that the first thing they do is search for any insignifiant thing which would void the warranty.

So.. pretty sure they'll search for that knox flag more thoroughly.

This whole discussion is about warranty, and from the looks of it, once you alter the system and get that knox counter 0x1 there's no going back and your warranty will be void forever.

Everybody knows that once you alter the system the warranty will be voided. This was also the case before but with the help of Chainfire we could easily reset all flags and counters.

Now this knox flag can't be reset.

Some will live with this and enjoy all the benefits of rooting etc. while the majority will have a valid warranty but use the phone just with what Samsung allows to.

It's the user's option.

While I don't really like this, I can't see why Samsung is to be blamed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dazza7111:
They could have asked if you wanted knox in firmware? Suppose s3 and note 2 will get it as well?
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
For now it is just a flag.

Did you really expected Samsung to say "hey, we would like to introduce a new way to know if you put your greasy little fingers in our system, in case of which we would void your warranty. Do you agree?"

Samsung already had a similar system which was easy to circumvent. Now it's impossible to do this anymore.

I hate this just as much and probably will sell my s4 for this but can't really blame Samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jxx7:
Is it really REALLY sure?
[Galaxy S 4 General] EmDzei:
KNOX - $3.60 per month toy

I can't believe that KNOX flag may deny warranty.

Here on their How to get Samsung KNOX in your enterprise they make it very clear that this is a monthly fee of trade. It means you need a license, your ICT manager a Mobile Device Managment service (MDM) and a mobile phone KNOX installed. Ordinary mortal does not need any KNOX.

Here at last is their How to use Samsung KNOX on YouTube.

I thought that this KNOX would be something fun and benefit from the security and could differentiate the phone sandbox style safe part, but bah. Useless. It cannot be a reason to void warranty. It may fight hardly against the principles of GNU Linux complete user freedom and open source software. It must also apply to the Samsung too.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ImpulsePie:
In Australia, they can't refuse service for a confirmed hardware fault under Australian Consumer Law as long as the fault isn't related to the warranty voiding. I.e. a button failure cannot be caused by flashing the wrong firmware, so legally they still have to service your device. However if you brick your modem/something in firmware due to flashing, then of course they have a right to deny service as it was your misuse that caused the problem.

Don't know what the law surrounding this is in other countries though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Jxx7:
In Europe it's supposed to be the same thing
[Galaxy S 4 General] Beefheart:
It isn't, the use of non-approved modifications like custom roms, custom recoveries and rooting is what does that. It's just that the knox flag shows this has been done.
[Galaxy S 4 General] plisskenn:
I know this doesn't help the forum, but why would you do that?
[Galaxy S 4 General] DjeMBeY:
Research..... new things need to be tested.... now we all know ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] plisskenn:
Fair enough :) For science!
[Galaxy S 4 General] RiverSource:
What was the state of your phone, when you flashed it? Was the old flash counter increased? Was the system status "official"? Maybe the old settings are influencing the new ones.

Was sales code and CSC matching for this flash? Maybe also debranding and CSC change/mismatch increases the counter.
[Galaxy S 4 General] cmptrmavn:
So I attempted to look for the status of the KNOX flag on my AT&T SGH-i337 running the dreaded MF3 firmware today (literally fresh out of the box) in download mode and this is all I see:

ODIN MODE

PRODUCT NAME: SGH-I337

CURRENT BINARY: Samsung Official

SYSTEM STATUS: Official

CSB-CONFIG-LSB: 0x30

WRITE PROTECTION: Enable

Those KNOX lines hidden by a recent release perhaps or does this mean something else?
[Galaxy S 4 General] samkuek:
This is old bootloader without KNOX. KNOX lines are not hidden, your phone will have it when update to MHx or MIx firmware.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MattBooth:
I just wanted to say that as an EU customer, it's total horsehit and they cannot void your warranty for flashing a custom ROM. It's against the law to refuse you:

http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-and-flashing-your-device-does-not-void-the-warranty-in-eu

ESPECIALLY since it's an artificial Samsung limit that voids the warranty if you flashed.

The problem is service centres are contractors, and they may see the thing as warranty void, without knowing the law of the land.

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Flat out wrong. Flashing custom software doesn't void your warranty and nor should it. Flashing Cyanogen isn't going to cause a physical buttons to deteriorate, the display to fail or the camera to stop functioning. A warranty on hardware is totally unaffected by the software and EU directives, dated 1999, back this up. All member states will have implemented these into law by now. We are fully protected.

Samsung's UK and EU warranty states:

http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/warranty/warrantyInformation.do?page=POLICY.WARRANTY

It does not cover software, as per the EU directive. Tampering is opening the tamperproof screws on the case and hardware modifying.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sniperwolf64:
Hi, so just to be clear we should avoid flashing stock roms starting from MHx and above via odin and only flash custom roms via recovery to avoid getting the KNOX flag? If we flash stock roms starting from MHx and above via odin is it possible to downgrade to a lower firmware, MGG for example?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mackovich:
Hey there, nice thread.

Thank god my Note 3 Status is still on official because a guide failed to indicate me how to install CMW ^^

Anyway, we are all talking here about Knoex Warranty ... what about Samsung Warranty ? Is it related ?

I mean, if my Knox warranty is void, then my phone's warranty is void as well ??
[Galaxy S 4 General] beastobadness:
I think you are totally right! Samsungs Knox warranty void does not affect our statutory EU hardware warranty.

The problem is if you do modify, root, flash a custom rom other than supplied software then it is your choice and it may not affect the hardware warranty until the software change or custom rom can become harmful to the device itself. For example, a lot of custom roms allow for undervolting/overvolting, etc. These kind of settings are not supplied by default for a reason because incorrect use can damage or decrease part longevity considerably ie CPU/GPU.

With the Knox void warranty flag Samsung have an ability now (and a defense) to tell if the device has been modified by the customer and they will be able to tell from the damage whether it was normal parts failure or the fault of the user.

All in all, this is a total 'wolf in sheep's clothing'. Knox was created as a very useful enterprise security level and a pain in the a**e for the power user.

On a side note, I am seriously thinking of selling my s4 and going to a nexus 5, I am quite disgusted at how this has been implemented by samsung without prior warning. Playing Russian roulette with a £600 device ain't on!
[Galaxy S 4 General] IberianPrince:
Awful... I'd rather take a loss and get another phone.

Sent from my HTC One (Android Revolution HD)
[Galaxy S 4 General] benbird7:
Well I've just sent the s4 back to Samsung for the third time as it keeps coming back from them in factory mode as I sent it away with nothing in the efs folder...

Haven't had my s4 now since the 3rd of Dec and got a really good condition s2 off eBay to keep me going, I must say when I get the s4 back I'm inclined to stick the s4 on eBay and keep the s2. Running cm10.2 in it and battery life is much better than my s4 was. Also hugely disappointed in Samsung. This whole latest bootloader adds headache when I get the phone back to even bother try rooting again.

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Get the i9100 again :) Great phone. I remember when I first got my s3 and was boxing my s2 to sell on eBay and actually thought I prefer the look and feel of the s2. I've recommended the s2 to a number work colleagues with iPhones mid contract so they can have a change and they love it compared to their iPhone 4/4s/5's. Picking them up on eBay for £100.

Battery life on the i9100 is a world apart from all that juice sapping hardware on the s4 with the bigger screen.
[Galaxy S 4 General] gazdajezda:
Hehe, cheers man :good: When my previous S2 succesfully meet SOD, i was looking for S4 but get irritated with KNOX/SAMSUNG, so i simply buy another S2. With CM or OMNI ROM & XPosed/Gravity/Xprivacy is great combo regarding usage performance and battery time... Also, S2 is perfectly designed/sized for me... and there is no KNOX **** :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] benbird7:
Glad to hear I'm not the only mad one that prefers my s2. I love technology and additional specs but Samsung are using gimmicks to get new customers that detract from the main purpose of a phone and sacrifice battery life for having them on. S2 thumbs up!
[Galaxy S 4 General] FallenZen:
I considered editing this into my previous compilation post, but decided that until I have enough stuff to create a second worthwhile compilation that I ought to just leave these two tidbits here. This thread is really tough to get through. I really wish everybody would stop going around in circles about the law and the warranty and the differences between the US and the EU.

For the record: Samsung's official stance is that the KNOX Warranty Void Bit has absolutely nothing to do with the manufacturer's purchase warranty. The KNOX Warranty is only intended to indicate that KNOX is certified as being secure (0x0), except in the event that it has been compromised (0x1). So whether you're in the US, the EU, or living on Mars: The KNOX Warranty has no impact on your Manufacturer's Warranty. Is KNOX troublesome? Sure. Did Samsung have its reasons for incorporating KNOX? Sure. THIS IS NOT THE THREAD FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS. If we ever want to actually figure out the complete inner workings of KNOX and this new bootloader, then I suggest we stop squabbling over s**t that doesn't fit the subject of RESEARCHING HOW KNOX AND ITS ASSOCIATED BOOTLOADER WORK! Now, people who want to argue about the same irrelevant topics again and again for 100 pages: Go somewhere else. People who want to figure out the deepest secrets of KNOX on our Samsung devices: Stick around and let's see if we can't get a peek up KNOX's skirt, shall we?

Please excuse the rant, but most of this thread seriously looks like a bunch of 12 year olds trying to put gum in each other's hair. These two little gems were fished out of TWENTY pages of conversation. It's no wonder nobody's been discussing relevant data when it's posted if it keeps getting lost in off-topic banter. Christ. /rant
[Galaxy S 4 General] Hillybilly:
Mirror/All-share

Mirror/All-share stops working with Note 2!!!!! With 4.1.2 this reproducibly happened if flash count > 0. Only *ever* flashed stock roms but via Odin. Now knox = 1. Yesterday it worked with 4.1.2, today it doesn't with 4.3. Beware. Counterproductive and pointless, Samsung.