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[Galaxy S III Mini General] :
The S3 mini that you're daughter has is much different from the international S3 Mini; you may have a chance at an official update, according to leaked rumors.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] ctleng76:
You said "thats not sIII mini, thats sIII mini," both of those are the same. I realize now that you are talking about the international version, not the US version. The US is currently at 4.2.2. I don't have high hopes for the update, however many companies do update phones after they are obsolete. It happens quite often actually. Even though they are not making money on old models directly, by showing they are committed to supporting phones well after they're obsolete, they instill confidence in consumers' minds about their brand. This keeps consumers coming back. Many consumers are now considering manufacturer's track records with updates before deciding on a phone to purchase. This also goes for the carriers. Now that contracts are becoming a thing of the past here in the US, carriers need to prove that they will keep phones up to date or consumers will go somewhere else.

So, I have to disagree that there is no money in keeping old phones updated.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] funkyboj:
ctleng76, your daughters S III mini is different from ours international version...the US version which launched allot later then the international one has completely different chipset (slightly higher clocks on the CPU and its qualcom chipset ), but except the chipset everything else is the same...

and in case u have missed the news, your daughter is getting kitkat soon enough...the official US Samsung allrdy announced it over a month ago and the link is below,so you can check it out urself :)

------> http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_usa_announces_kitkat_compatible_devices-news-7855.php

cheers :)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] :
Someone sent a post through Facebook to ask about update for 8190 https://m.facebook.com/SamsungMobile/posts/661773607204612?stream_ref=10 last week but he got no answer :(
[Galaxy S III Mini General] eswarvf:
Hope this is not only for us version
[Galaxy S III Mini General] klopp-o-mat:
But samsung is not releasing new news about the phone modell like which s3 mini modell... is getting kitkat and which not.....
[Galaxy S III Mini General] eswarvf:
Ya it will be my happy day aand our phone deserves an update than any other samsung phone
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Sam_90:
It's only for USA's S3 Mini , as only american carrier partners are mentioned there (Sprint, AT&T, US Cellular etc.).
[Galaxy S III Mini General] zezomohamed35:
Is there any good rom to s3 mini v 4.4 without bugs
[Galaxy S III Mini General] :
BRILLIANT NEWS. Yesterday I sent an email to Samsung (I think 3rd time) but yeah I got an answer:Your phone Samsung galaxy S3 mini (gti8190) will be updated to KitKat!!! Actually all this time they were trying to get TouchWiz to work for s3 mini but it was hard due to the hardware. However they finally made it! That's why they've been so quiet about the update... :) :) :):) :) :)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] zezomohamed35:
Hey
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Whitefoxy:
Cool :D lets hope we can update for real :D . If the update with samsung touchwizz doesnt play nice with my Phone , then i can go to maclaw rom :D
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Sam_90:
I smell an April Fools' Day prank here unless you're willing to show the reply to us.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] :
OK guys I think it wasn't funny?
[Galaxy S III Mini General] andersyang:
:banghead::what::mad:
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mattiawhite:
You are the man! For me this whole thread is a "biga joka", but you, you made it to whole new level! :D
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
Ok I'm confused A LOT :( is this seriously real info from Sammy or not? No offense to anyone, but yesterday was April Fool's day. Sooo what's the deal here? :)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] :
No it was a joke I think everyone had understood it :)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
Well almost everyone :D I WANT KITKAT OFFICIAL :((((
[Galaxy S III Mini General] tsigiotis:
filaraki psarose polys kosmos. kalo!! :D

may next year 1april we will get kitkat ... with a new mobile phone ....
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Allan_Hun:
Why samsung will NOT update I8190

Im pretty sure samsung will make more money if the can make people buy a new samsung. And I'm also sure the majority of mobile phone users (what we call average Joes) just wants a phone thats working and stable. Sure some people like the cool new features but samsung wants those to fork out money on a new phone. Its also rather difficult to measure how much goodwill from free updates is worth, new sales are easy to measure. Google lightbulb conspiracy if you don't believe this, in our capitalistic world its all about making money.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Allan_Hun:
Did we get 4.2 No

did we get 4.3 nope

so will samy give us 4.4 VERY unlikely!

And honestly why would samsung pull resources away from s5 mini or whatever their are working on now to develop 4.4 for our old phone?
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
You're probably right, sadly :( If we don't get KitKat, which phone should I buy for Christmas-S5 Mini or S5 ?I'm asking because I heard that the S5 Mini will be more like the S5 in terms of performance.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] dylan07:
My model s3 mini is said to be getting the 4.4 kitkat: http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/538940/20140216/samsung-galaxy-s4-note-s3-android-4.htm#.Uz5K1fldV8F But I should mention I have 4.2.2 right now so...
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
Yeah, yours is the US version. It WILL get it. Congrats!
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Allan_Hun:
SGS3 isn't bad at all

Do you need a new phone? For the money I paid I think s3 mini is a nice phone official kitkat or not. Around my home reception is bad and the novathor based s3 mini has a top quality antenna. Its also very power efficient and capable of 2 days on a charge with my usage pattern. Its small and light so I almost forget i'm carrying a phone in my pocket. I also like the SD card reader. And thanks to the mod/dev. community it runs unofficial kitkat without any major problems. Yes im actually very happy with my s3 :laugh:

If you care much about future updates I would recommend a nexus branded phone. If it has to be a sammy s5 then I would say go for the size you prefer.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
No I don't need a new phone right now, but S3 Mini lags and doesn't have that much features. I think I'll get the S5 next year :)

Don't get me wrong though, I still love my S3 Mini!
[Galaxy S III Mini General] PhoenixWyllow:
If you ever do really get the s5 (mini or not) and you want to get rid of your s3mini, drop me a pm! :p ;)

I could do with a spare one considering how much I want to play with the software layers but can't out of fear :p
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
:D you got it

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Do you mind sharing how you get two days on one charge? I usually get around 10 hours with medium usage - playing games for about an hour, texting (3G) for half an hour or so and listening to music for three hours (sometimes less). The rest of the time my phone is on stand by with sync and 3G always on.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Allan_Hun:
Battery saving

Sure.

I dont play games on my s3 mini because I have a nexus7 for gaming.

With minimum. brightness, dark theme, data connection and sync off, screen off set at 30 seconds and battery saving enabled on stock ROM i can make my s3 mini last 72 hours on a charge, when i only use my phone for talking+sms, email and limited amount of wifi web browsing.

So no magic :)

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Lag? With maclaws kitkat build 0328 and ART my S3 is pretty fast. And personally I think the new features is something the manufacturer invents to make you fork out money on a new phone. With all the custom ROMs and apps thats available I really don't need more cool features.

I also own a Nexus 7" so Im very happy with the mini screen and form factor, but of course personal preference and needs will always variate...
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
The Nexus 7 changes everything :D

yeah I know about maclaw's CM and all, but to install it I have to wipe out all my data and it's too much work to download all my apps and edit their settings again :/.

I've also always wondered if turning on power saving mode will actually save battery. It restricts the cpu to 800mhz max,which sounds good, but doesn't that make the procesor work harder and do heavy tasks in more time, thus draining extra battery life?
[Galaxy S III Mini General] ghuertasw:
Bigger battery? :p
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
But big batteries aren't slim :( and make my phone look like a brick :D
[Galaxy S III Mini General] PhoenixWyllow:
Indeed, mine has turned into a Frankenstein's monster of S3mini and descendant of a nokia 3310 :D

But it has helped in keeping my phone off the charger.

I believe you can get up to 2000mAh batteries that fit the original case though. 30% bigger battery than original should give you about 20-30% more battery life depending on quality of the battery....but I digress...apologies.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
Well, I'll take a look at those 2000mah batteries then :) If they aren't enough, I'm buying an ugly 3000mah battery :D
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Allan_Hun:
Modern CPUs will increase Vcore for stability at max speed, and Power Draw is logarithmic to Vcore, so even a small increase in Vcore will use a lot more power, so therefore 800Mhz max frequency does save a significant amount of power.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
Ok.guess I'll enable it and see what happens :)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] LMH1998:
So I asked Samsung on Facebook if we will get the update to Kitkat.

They say that they don't get the information before they announce anything. We all have to wait.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
The S3 is getting it now so I think it's just a matter of time until our time comes :)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Sam_90:
S3 mini will not get KitKat. That's what i think.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] ali_jiwa:
It will not get KitKat.

Device manufacturer have abandoned this device and its up to great devs like Nova Fusion and others to support this device with kitkat via CM11, carbon rom, omnirom etc

I love NovaFusion! They are truly the best :D
[Galaxy S III Mini General] meduza:
...yep, carbon & omni 4.4.2 are anyway better then any stock from samsung kitkat or not :)

m.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Aronuser:
Source: http://www.sammobile.com/2014/05/07...evices-getting-the-android-4-4-kitkat-update/

I think since the s3 is "n/A" s3 mini will be "n/A" too!
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
i think the GT-I8190 will get KitKat around June, July at the worst scenario :)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] :
What does n/A mean?

Sent from SGS3 mini with NovaFusion Carbon 4.4.2
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Aronuser:
i think it means not available
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mattiawhite:
Just look at ps footnote below table,

And situation with mini is like 3 times worser
[Galaxy S III Mini General] tom1491:
I don't think we will get KitKat. Even our big brother S III won't get it. We have less hope ?

Sent from my GT-I8190
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mattiawhite:
look HERE reason for s3 not getting update

i'm gonna cry of laughing for that statement ;P

so actualy if sammy would remove bloatware, new fw would pass to more devices...

... newertheless, for our device there is still "sources issue" soc etc...

hell it is not even on that list.. that tells you guys everything

me personally i don't care, i have kitkat a long time on my s3m
[Galaxy S III Mini General] eswarvf:
Ya i agree with you but 1 gb ram is not issue what about Samsung Galaxy Ace Style having 512 mb ram with kk

And now a days even cheaper devices than us are having 4.1.2+
[Galaxy S III Mini General] gsmyth:
Yes but it probably doesn't have anywhere near the number of features (see bloat) that the s3 has, that Samsung have tried to port in the update. They probably don't want to waste time working on slimming it down or optimising the memory so instead they leave it on the last (stable) version and that's that.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] gsmyth:
Officially a no, straight from the horses mouth.

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/05/08...-galaxy-s-iii-gt-i9300-and-galaxy-s-iii-mini/
[Galaxy S III Mini General] eswarvf:
got it but do you think 4.3 is stable for s3 its worse update i have ever seen

and kitkat is awesome for note 2 even test version is stable . thats why we need a kk right :)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mattiawhite:
Yup, as expected, also lies and b.shif they serving in that response... You know what I'm saying :cool:
[Galaxy S III Mini General] :
Now we should end this thread. I think it's a waste of time from the beginning.... :(

Sent from SGS3 mini with NovaFusion Carbon 4.4.2
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mattiawhite:
Agree

Sudo kill
[Galaxy S III Mini General] tom1491:
In the topic, they said we already had Android 4.2 on our S III Mini. Really? Which variant? GT-I8190, N or L?
[Galaxy S III Mini General] gsmyth:
Probably the variant at the link below:

http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8200_galaxy_s_iii_mini_ve-6190.php
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Carlyle_f:
I dont think you believe this any more than I do. Yes, I appreciate what NovaFusion is doing, but we both know that Samsung's official ROM would've been way better.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
That's what I think too. I just love Samsung's stock firmwares :)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mattiawhite:
On last 2 posts i have only one thing to say:

Opinion is like ass, everyone have one.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mert.ada:
Its saying the 4.3 is the most update s3 will get and 4.2 for s3 mini. Will we get 4.2 then?
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Aronuser:
well fusionkat has 4.2 or 4.3 and it's stock based
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
4.2.2 is available only on the new S3 Mini variant which has a 1.2ghz processor
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mert.ada:
Yes, i think its verizon or sprint variant... So we will stuck at 4.1.2...
[Galaxy S III Mini General] eswarvf:
Hey its not 4.3 he just changed the number thats it
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Parliamert:
It wasn't making sense from the beginning. We still got 4.1.2 as latest official firmware and we are expecting a official KK. So it's over then.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mauam:
Well I think some moderator can close this thread now. Check XDA portal news here. Samsung Confirms No KitKat for the International Galaxy S III and Galaxy S III Mini. We have Nova fusion team anyways:cool:
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
sadly, you're right :'( Oh well, now I'm on S5StyleXXANC2 v2 ROM (4.1.2) and it's flying :highfive:
[Galaxy S III Mini General] trilock:
Mclaw has amazing kitkat ROM updated daily..

Gave my phone new lease of life
[Galaxy S III Mini General] iwogu:
OMNI 4.4.2

But with a lot of problems in the last days.....

As alternative you can also test OMNI 4.4.2 by golden-guy
[Galaxy S III Mini General] adi9981:
There was a Note II KitKat ROM ported to S3. Maybe we will see some kind of release on S3 Mini?
[Galaxy S III Mini General] timex550:
I also hope to see official Samsung KitKat running properly on our S3 mini. I would be good thing for further development of KitKat powered stock based ROMs. I count on it.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] adi9981:
Samsung confirmed that international S3-Mini (i8190) will not get OTA KitKat.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] timex550:
Yes I know. Samsung said it's due to S3 mini's "only" 1GB of RAM. Exactly the same thing as with full-size SGS3.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] modeh13:
I agree, CM 11 has some problems and bugs, but It is a great work ! :good:
[Galaxy S III Mini General] brooker88:
I doubt it, and will most likely will have knox on it which i aint to keen on. Will stick to custom :)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
Mine bricked on custom so I had to get a replacement and stay on stock.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] brooker88:
S3 mini is so easy to root and go custom. I had no problems, I was made aware of how easy it was once I rooted nexus 7 ran into so many problems. But now everything OK and my s3 mini is fine after 5 month
[Galaxy S III Mini General] petz79:
What about non-OTA? Will a beta/developer version be available for downloading?

Is there at least going to be a 4.2 update for the international S3 minis?
[Galaxy S III Mini General] :
No Samsung won't do that because our device is not suitable for any update (according to them). Samsung has new devices she will not care for us unfortunately :(

Sent from SGS3 mini with NovaFusion Carbon 4.4.2
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Kobro:
Yet another source showing kitkat on s3 mini

i found this:

http://www.androidpit.com/galaxy-s3-to-get-kitkat-after-all

it seems to be talking about the s3 mini too!
[Galaxy S III Mini General] GXGOW:
They are talking about the Galaxy S3 LTE. I gave up waiting months ago and installed a Custom KitKat ROM myself. I'm tired of those OEMs taking so long to develop an update.

Sent from Tapatalk on my GT-I8190 running Novafusion's Carbon 4.4.2
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Chito$:
dont get It
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
I'm raging! S3 mini doesn't have enough RAM for KitKat (1GB) and Samsung just released Galaxy Young 2 which has 512MB RAM and single core 1GHz processor! What kind of bs is this!!!!!!!!

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My email to Samsung UK:

Hi,

Will my phone be getting the KitKat upgrade? I heard that my phone didn't have enough RAM (1GB) but seeing as you just released Young 2 which only has 512MB RAM and KitKat, maybe my phone will be updated after all as there are no more excuses about RAM to not upgrade to KitKat?

Thanks
[Galaxy S III Mini General] :
This is not the only problem. The company that produced the SoC of our device (STE ) is dead without sources behind and that's why it's very difficult to make a fully working firmware and push it to our devices... I'm sorry to tell you that :(
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
Then what about the original S3? But then how did Maclaw make KitKat without any sources?
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mkruseonline:
There must be someone in the background, who is a real developer ?
[Galaxy S III Mini General] :
Original S3 doesn't get the kitkat update too and also this is not an STE device.

But Maclaw ports AOSP ROMs that are mostly less lightweight than Touchwiz. And also if Sammy publishes a firmware that has a little problem everyone will blame her so perhaps she prefers having the average end user happy with 4.1 which is not good for us who want the latest features... :(
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
Yes but it misses out on so many new features which the device has the potential of! And they would obviously optimize it and if we don't like it, then we can downgrade or we don't have to update. And if they don't update, then this is the last Samsung smartphone I buy! They don't give S3 KitKat but they give Young 2 KitKat and that's lower spec than S3!!??!?!? And now they can't have an excuse now as they just released a 512MB RAM smartphone on KitKat!

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Why can't Samsung have people like Maclaw? Because they are f%$#~&@ lazy!!!!!!
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mkruseonline:
Because they need a stable / running / Bugfree Version ...
[Galaxy S III Mini General] quakeaz:
This is interesting, for the AT&T S3 Mini (SM-G730A).

Check out what Samsung says the OS on this phone is now:

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-G730AMBAATT-specs
[Galaxy S III Mini General] tys0n:
It wouldn't surprise me if they get the update. Its a Qualcomm device.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] xlance06:
But our device has no major update,samsung must release atleast beta version or test version of kitkat here at xda same what sony did on xperia play.We have many talented developers that can improve the beta version
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mkruseonline:
Where is written that Samsung has to do?
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
Nowhere, it's completely optional if they want customers.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mkruseonline:
They have customers
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
I have a feeling that they will lose a lot of customers if they continue like this giving us stupid excuses for not updating our decent phones.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] mkruseonline:
No. They will not lose customers. People are buying always new phones. Every two years. And they are happy. Look at MS Windows
[Galaxy S III Mini General] adi9981:
Samsung just doesn't care about older phones. Galaxy Core Plus with 768 MB RAM has Android 4.2.2 from the beggining. And they say that S3 Mini doesn't have enough RAM for an update. That's bulls**t.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
Exactly! That's exactly what they said for the original S3 and they release 4 budget KitKat phones, all with less than 1GB RAM! Why doesn't S3 mini have the same optimized TouchWiz UI as the budget phones! If we don't get any updates, then this is the last Samsung smartphone I buy!
[Galaxy S III Mini General] Jakeuten:
believe me...you don't want official KitKat...
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
Even worse on stock JB 4.1.2, around 40-50% Android System
[Galaxy S III Mini General] vicvx:
Interesting. Must be for the AT&T version specifically. Maybe they re-released the phone as an updated version.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
AT&T exclusive better processor :mad:
[Galaxy S III Mini General] scagnetwork:
the sm-g730w8 got the update to in canada to 4.4.2 (roger,telus,fido and bell)
[Galaxy S III Mini General] koragg97:
I guess that's fair enough. The GT-I8190 has much more Dev support, but the VE has much more Samsung support :D

I kinda prefer it this way!
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
Where can you get it from though? It's not seen in any phone shop and it's not sold by any well known seller in UK.
[Galaxy S III Mini General] gsmyth:
Its a U.S. variant so not available anywhere else.

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Because it would mean removing or stripping existing features, which Samsung doesnt want to do to an established user base, since people could rely on a particular function or feature and then suddenly not have it when they update, causing all sorts of confusion/complaints/etc.

Still, the other option is to create a manual update, by stripping out anything that can be downloaded via the Play store/sideloaded. This was done a while back by HTC with the Desire and 2.3 update. They could probably provide something that could be flashed using Odin or Kies. But the fact is that Samsung have so many devices and variants that they probably couldn't warrant it. It was slightly different for HTC when they only had a handful of devices, plus the Desire was (at the time) last years 'flagship' so that probably meant they felt greater pressure to appease their customers.

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/how-to-update-your-htc-desire-to-android-2-3-986502
[Galaxy S III Mini General] KoolKid98189:
Good point but if they can manage to have KitKat on budget phones, why not on the higher end or mid range phones? Maybe they could add some new features to it and why would they need to remove features? Jellybean 4.1.2 doesn't have enough features, especially when you're coming from a KitKat custom ROM back to stock due to the phone bricking for no reason. Releasing 4 budget KitKat phones just got rid of their 'not enough RAM' bull**** excuse and proved that they are just too lazy to upgrade decent phones that are perfectly capable of running KitKat.