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[Galaxy S 4 General] resudo:
They are indeed tricking their costumers. Take the Note 2 as a grant example. It didn't come with KNOX and when 4.3 update came out KNOX was included. But I payed 400€ for a device without KNOX wtf??? Not even the manuals or the Note 2 warranty say anything about KNOX (obviously since KNOX was included later with software update) but the HAVE to say about KNOX in warranty manual, otherwise it's illegal not to fix your device.

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Their stupid excuse when I went to repair my damaged screen was "Sorry but rooting can burn the screen so we are not responsible for it" and when I told them that rooting is impossible to burn the screen and I explained them why (scientifically) the guy there just stood there and had nothing to say. He was so f***ing embarrassed, looking stupid and not knowing how to do his job. They even demanded to give them 7€ just to check the device without fixing it (so you pay either they fix it or not) and of course I never gave them those money just left.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sauron82:
Never install an update right away. Always turn off auto update. And when those are off, you don't have to install an update just because one is released. Samsung might not give details about what's included in an update, but that info is very easy to find anywhere online, so if you don't know what's in an update, it's because you can't be bothered to look.

Then don't buy any device, ever. Rooting has always voided warranty. That's the position of every manufacturer. The guy in the shop isn't at fault, he's just doing his job. And most places ask you to pay for their time, even if they're just looking at the device to see what's wrong. Your complaints are with the industry as a whole, not with any particular manufacturer. You sound like a child complaining like this. "They won't fix my rooted phone even though I knew rooting it would void the warranty!" I don't understand what your problem is. If you're worried about warranty, don't root. If you're worried about KNOX, don't root. I don't understand what's so complicated about this.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] resudo:
Why should I care about the new "features" (KNOX) an update includes in the first place? Updates are supposed to fix things, not damage them and with KNOX they have damaged our phones freedom we once had. You statement is totally invalid. And about rooting, I DID know it would void my warranty. I didn't say the facts correctly. When I went to service I had everything back to stock (unrooted, stock ROM, flash counter reseted) but they didn't accept to fix my device because of KNOX and not root as I mistakenly stated on my previous post. And then like I said before, I "scientifically" explained them how KNOX couldn't burn the screen (they couldn't prove I had previously rooted my phone or even modified it, knox can be tripped even by installing older stock ROM) they stood there wordless. It seems you don't understand the situation (chaos) here in Greece and act foolishly by saying these things. And it's not only about Greece but very single country in the world. Seriously, if I had the time I could make a 5 page (at least) word document explaining why your posts are completely incorrect and why KNOX (at least for some devices) is illegal or should be considered illegal.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sauron82:
Adding KNOX doesn't break anything, and it doesn't limit your phone's freedom at all. I can still root and install custom roms with KNOX. I voided KNOX and forgot about it. You're just mad that KNOX doesn't let you hide root anymore. I'd like to see you try and argue that KNOX is illegal. Nobody forced you to update. KNOX is a feature. You might not like it, but it's a feature like gesture typing. You're just mad that you knowingly voided your warranty and can't hide that anymore, and now you expect a repair for free. I agree that not repairing hardware faults due to root is ridiculous, but that's the way it is. So if you don't like it, don't root, it's that simple. You can stand there and explain why they should repair it until you're blue in the face, but it won't matter. Company policy is company policy. Root voids warranty. KNOX 0x1 voids warranty (in most countries). It's not that complicated.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] resudo:
Yes I AM mad that I can't hide root anymore. Why? Because before KNOX you had the option to hide it, which is one of the main reasons I got a Note 2. Hiding root was part of my phones freedom, and they took it away without even telling me! So they DO limit your freedom and knox does break it. Then they introduced this sh*t KNOX. KNOX isn't illegal, they way Samsung gives It to us IS ILLEGAL. Samsung technically forces you to update by having OTA enabled when you turn the phone on for the first time. It limits the possibilities of Android, which is an open source project meaning you can modify your device however you like! I didn't get a damn IPhone. And KNOX isn't a software feature, it's more like a hardware limitation.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sauron82:
So you're just mad that you can't scam free repairs anymore. Stop complaining; you did something that you know violates the warranty and now you're complaining that they won't honour the warranty. Give me a break.

When I first bought my phone OTA was turned on. First thing I did when I opened the box and turned it on was turn off OTA updates. Updates are not forced on you, no matter how you think of it. These updates don't download instantly, they're several hundred MB or more and they take time to download. So there's plenty of time to stop an update. KNOX is not illegal, neither is how Samsung adds it to older devices, it doesn't break anything, and it doesn't limit anything. I have root, custom recovery, and a custom rom. How is KNOX limiting that? You might not like it or understand exactly how it works, but that's not Samsung's fault or problem. KNOX doesn't stop you from doing anything, except scamming free service after you violate the warranty. Educate yourself.

Go ahead, don't buy another Samsung device. Other OEMs will follow suit in the next few years, and you'll have the same problems with them. But stop complaining that you can't scam free service; it makes you look like you're 10 years old. If you think you're in the right, then go ahead and sue the repair centre or Samsung. But you'll lose, because you're wrong.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
[MENTION=4956321]NickVXD[/MENTION] you are not forced to update just coz OTA is enabled at the start. for once, before starting the phone for the 1st time, take out the SIM and dont use wifi and jump through the setup.

also even though OTA is enabled by standard, usually there also should be the option Wifi only enabled by default too, meaning, as long as you stay away from any wifi network before completing setup and turning it off, you should be fine...
[Galaxy S 4 General] nitinvaid:
Suppose if phone is full dead no display nothing

how can they check in that case that knox count or not?
[Galaxy S 4 General] lyriquidperfection:
They would most likely have a jig that fits over the emmc chip on a dead board to detect tampering.
[Galaxy S 4 General] resudo:
Unfortunately(?) it was not completely dead, more like splotches around the screen that can be seen in the dark. I know this is is Super Amoled screen problem and I know that I had this problem when the phone was firstly turned on by me. The problem is that it's getting worse and worse forcing me to buy a 180-200 new screen or buy a new phone after 1,5 - 2 years.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nitinvaid:
hmm 1st thing is in india as for me i never got warranty for any samsung device they always say water in phone moisture or some other **** even if its clean under it i dont think they will check that much

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i will flash wrong bootloader or soemthing thn its dead

or hardware fault thats what i am asking
[Galaxy S 4 General] resudo:
It's obvious I'm not getting another Samsung device. It's not about scamming and getting free repairs. You would be correct to say that if I HAD caused the problem to the device. The thing is that my phone was defective from the beginning. It's a problem with super Amoled screens. It's not about Knox either, if they just did the free repair the owed me I would have no problem neither with knox or Samsung itself.
[Galaxy S 4 General] sauron82:
It is about scamming and getting free repairs. If it was a problem from the beginning, you should've just traded it in under warranty right away when you first got it, but that's beside the point.

You rooted, knowing it would void the warranty. Then you have a problem with the device. It doesn't matter whether the problem is caused by you or not. The warranty is already void, and they owe you nothing. I agree that hardware issues should be covered anyway (most of the time), but that's not the way it works. They don't know what you did to it, so they wont fix it. And software can cause hardware issues. Case in point, NFC doesn't work in CM11 for Note 3 (except N9005 variant). Can I say that my NFC isn't working in my device? Do they owe me a warranty repair to get NFC working again? No. All I have to do is flash stock and NFC works again. More practically, a bad kernel acting up, sending too much power to the screen for too long, causing problems. Or overclocking causing the phone to get too hot damaging internal components, causing problems. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's possible. Software can cause hardware issues, and that's why root voids warranty, always. They don't know what you did to it, so they won't fix it. It doesn't matter if you agree; that's the way it is.

Go ahead, go to another manufacturer. But root will still void warranty.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] nitinvaid:
Ill recommend i phone for you:P
[Galaxy S 4 General] ymb:
knox warranty

Hi there I have noticed people saying that it's impossible to flash without tripping knox, this is wrong you can flash via Odin any official firmware without tripping knox. I have flash Singapore, new Zealand and the Polish kit Kat 4.4.2 firmware on my note 3 without tripping knox.
[Galaxy S 4 General] coolkoushik07:
they are stock rom.. flashing anything custom will trip knox..

Sent from my Xperia Z1 Compact
[Galaxy S 4 General] Byteater:
It doesn't matter whether it's stock or not.. If they are unsigned, they will trip counter

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[Galaxy S 4 General] coolkoushik07:
stock roms mean unmodified roms.. they are always signed.. if there is any unsigned stock then that is called modified stock.. and I did not say anything wrong..

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Byteater:
Yeah and what about pre-KNOX roms ? They are stock but not key signed :)

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[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
yeah, but as know since Knox downgrading is not possible, they wont work, BUT if you dont have knox for one of many reasons, you can flash them safely...
[Galaxy S 4 General] coolkoushik07:
who told u that they are not key signed?? all the stock roms are signed by samsung.. and downgrading will trip knox..

Sent from my Xperia Z1 Compact
[Galaxy S 4 General] emperorHadrian:
Has it already been made clear that Knox is a one-way e-fuse? Or is this still under debate?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Braccoz:
under debate.

samsung can reset knox status on both qualcomm and exynos variants.
[Galaxy S 4 General] coolkoushik07:
i saw a post on how to reset i9500 knox flag using some external tool... that process is complicated and i dont understand..

http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f67...bit-0-solution-inside-first-ih-world-1776265/

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Braccoz:
i9500 is exynos, its not an efuse and it can be reset with expensive jtag equipment and by tearing your phone apart, which kinda defeats the purpose of resetting it to claim warranty...
[Galaxy S 4 General] noeldonovan:
Not sure it'll be possible but if for n9005 (note 3 snapdragon 800 msm8974) call function qfuse_write_single_row (e.g. from any suitable opensource bootloader) with address/offset retrieved with ida disassembler? Could somebody have a look please?

https://github.com/savoca/furnace_jb_lge_msm8974/blob/master/arch/arm/mach-msm/lge/lge_qfprom_access.c

http://security.tencent.com/index.php/blog/msg/38

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2504258

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[Galaxy S 4 General] BlueChris:
Guys i just read this bad bad news about Google will have Knox in every new android from now on!!! Jesus i thought my next phone will be something not samsung but now if this huppens that will mean that all android phone makers will have Knox ...

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/06/25...egrate-knox-into-androids-next-major-release/
[Galaxy S 4 General] AIkizov:
This was expected

Yesterday already started talking

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/25/android-for-work/

http://phandroid.com/2014/06/25/android-for-work-knox/
[Galaxy S 4 General] prog.p:
How to Disable KNOX Security on Galaxy S3/ S4/ Note 2/ Note 3

hello. i saw this post just thought it might help. all the tech savvy in the house please verify the authenticity of the post. dont forget to hit thanks if it works..

You can get rid of this annoying thing easily by disabling Knox service and its agent apps. Remember, once KNOX is aware of SuperUser on your phone, it’ll block its functioning and you might not be able to use any root app. In case you are unable to get root access (after rooting your device) because KNOX prevents SuperSU in doing so, do this:

Download the latest SuperSU zip package: UPDATE-SuperSU-vx.xx.zip

Extract the zip and open the folder.

Go the folder named “common” and copy the Superuser.apk to your phone.

Install the APK manually (do not forget to tick Unknown Sources option under Security settings of your device).

Now launch the SuperSU app on your phone and it will ask you whether or not you want to disable KNOX: “Samsung Knox has been detected. This might limit root capabilities and cause annoying popups. Try to disable KNOX.”

Select OK. It will then tell you that KNOX has been successfully disabled.

You should now be able to enjoy root access on your Samsung Galaxy device. If you want to remove KNOX from the device, use the method given below. If the above method does not work for you, you phone might not be rooted properly. Verify the root with Root Checker app.

List of Galaxy Devices that Feature KNOX:

Our tutorial on removing/ disabling/ uninstalling KNOX might be used to get rid of KNOX on all Samsung devices with Android 4.2 or above. The following Galaxy phones and tablets support Samsung KNOX:

Galaxy Note 3 (LTE, Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, Rogers, Bell and other variants)

Galaxy Mega 6.3

Galaxy S4 (all variants)

Galaxy S4 Mini

Galaxy S3 (all variants)

Galaxy Note 2 (all variants)

Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition

Galaxy Round

Removing/Uninstalling KNOX Without Root:

Samsung KNOX can be removed from a Galaxy device without root access. Just follow the steps given below:

Open the app drawer on your phone or tablet device.

Then tap on Samsung> Samsung KNOX.

When you enter the KNOX Homescreen, tap the Menu button android_Menu

From the available options, select KNOX Settings.knox-menu-disable knox security

Then select touch About KNOX> Uninstall.

While uninstalling KNOX, you’ll be asked if you want to backup your KNOX data.

To back up your KNOX data, select Backup now, else touch OK button. Make your choice.

Now enter your KNOX password and then select Continue> Next.knox-backup

All backed up data that does not include your email and app data will be save as Zip to My Files> All> Knox.

KNOX will then be uninstalled from your Samsung Galaxy device.

Done and enjoy! Now your phone or tablet is KNOX-free.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Byteater:
It has nothing to do with KNOX on bootloader.. They are two different things
[Galaxy S 4 General] vmmore:
Do u really think thats so easy !!! Hey brother all the respected devs are still working on completely removing the DIRTY KNOX thing at the BOOTLOADER LEVEL...hope they will succeed in that....
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
He is trolling around without having any idea about the thread. Don't even quote it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] NGbod:
Earlier this week I flashed 4.4.2 KK on my S4 mini and after flashing rooting reflashing rerooting etc etc I decided that KK had totally messed up my faultless 4.2.2 JB phone. I had tripped the Knox flags for warranty recovery and warranty kernel. I decided to go back to JB 4.2.2 but my nandroid backups no longer worked so tried flashing pre knox firmware which wouldn't work. Then I tried flashing a knox JB 4.2.2 firmware. This eventually worked after I unticked the phone bootloader update box.

Now the Knox flags seem to be gone. Should I still be able to find the flags? If so how/ where. I've tried going to recovery and download modes but there are no flags coming up like before.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bordo_Bereli51:
And he is waiting for thanks about that what he wrote.
[Galaxy S 4 General] lockieio:
what about this?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=53923169&postcount=2424
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sudo77:
What??? You flashed JB 4.2.2 and Knox flag was gone? How? There is no Knox in 4.2.2, it only came in versions 4.3+. Re-explain yourself in the greatest detail.
[Galaxy S 4 General] NGbod:
FWIW this is an S4 mini not an S4. I had I9195XXUCNF7_I9195ORSCNF2_ORS KK 4.4.2 rom installed with knox flags tripped for recovery and kernel.

Prior to reflashing with Odin 3.09 I wiped cache and user data and factory reset with TWRP .

I'd read of a few people who had managed to revert back to JB from KK by flashing the brazilian UBUBNE2 rom so I tried flashing it with phone bootloader update and repartition ticked. The flash completed something but then failed saying file could not be found. I then did another factory reset before reflashing UBUBNE2, this time without phone bootloader update and repartition ticked. UBUBNE2 is the first S4 mini rom with Knox AFAIK.

The phone then seemed to be stuck at the logo but maybe I didn't give it enough time so I pulled the battery and factory reset again in the stock recovery. The phone then booted normally but in Portugese and since then no knox flags.

I've checked the knox version in app manager and it's saying v3.0 is installed." About device" is showing v4.2.2, SE android enforcing, Secure boot status type: Samsung .

Reading the first post in this thread makes me wonder if I've irreversibly broken knox.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sudo77:
Hmm, thats odd.. Everything seems normals until you says "No Knox flags". Of course, if you have those two options ticked when flashing, your phone will go into bootloop. SE is still enforcing though... are you absolutely sure it is gone? Do me a quick favor. Go in Download mode screen, and tell me what it says there. By line... or post a pic if it is easier...
[Galaxy S 4 General] NGbod:
Sorry guys,

0x1 warranty void is still there in download. I don't know how I missed it before.

The yellow writing about knox has gone though.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sudo77:
Ahh, so it true. Most people confuse the Knox app, which can easily be removed. But the Knox flag lies in the bootloader and is much more difficult to remove. Thank you for letting me know.
[Galaxy S 4 General] lockieio:
I have a question. Im planing to buy galaxy s4, so my question is: If i buy it in t-mobile, or vodaphone, etc...will they accept my warranty if knox gets 0x1. Thank you
[Galaxy S 4 General] cheffy11:
Why would u buy an S4 when the S5 is out??? Better still just buy an HTC One m8 much better phone or the Sony Z1/Z2. Samsung was bad enough having to endure Touchwiz but now you've got that and Knox. **** samsung!
[Galaxy S 4 General] lockieio:
You didnt anwer my question. Doesent mather why i want s4 i just want answer. Thank you..
[Galaxy S 4 General] FlanjeUK:
In the EU? Technically they can be a bit picky about it, but here in the UK for example it *shouldn't* effect warranty :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Ghorin:
Maybe the price is a good reason. Or the screen suze or the weight of the s5. And as for sony z1, my wife got one z1 mini and it was changed 4 times before she switched to a s4 mini because the z1/z1 mini has critical screen touch issues.

Well it's his choice ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] anoniemouse:
why not get an unbranded one from one of the retailers, chances are it will be on 4.2 with an unlocked bootloader, providing you root it first before updating your question would then be irellevant.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sudo77:
I agree, find a version that is still on 4.2. That way you will have NO locked bootloaders. I read that you can upgrade it even to 4.4.2 KitKat without KNOX or locking the boot loader, provided you remove those components from the firmware before you flash them. I wouldn't upgrade it anyhow.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Extreme0:
hi guys i just have a story about this knox thing. first of all i have an S4 and my flag is 0x1. some days ago i had problems with the mic so i callad samsung and asked for a home repair. the guy came and he said that if you tick your flag it will screw up you warranty and this knox burn into your cpu and only be resetted with the change of the mother board or you can buy the motherboard which is in your phone and you get back your warranty (this purchase cost 194 euro ). and one more thing the mechanic said if you root your phone it also void warranty.

hopefully its understandable and sorry for my bad english

ps: it happened in hungary
[Galaxy S 4 General] ironman38102:
I have no problems with KNOX because recently my friend gave his S5 which was rooted to samsung for repairs and they didnt say anything about KNOX flags tripped! I'm in Bahrain btw!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Sudo77:
I still refuse to think that the Knox flag is an efuse in the CPU if you have an international version of S4. Call me stubborn, I don't care. Clearly, it has been reset in the note 3 before, this evidence strongly suggest that the flag is software stored in an encrypted location in internal memory.

Also, if you pay 194 euros only to get your warranty back, why do you need your warranty anyways... you already paid your repair cost, or get a new phone lols. Unless, you want to reuse the Knox security platform (then why did you root??), that's a different story...
[Galaxy S 4 General] gsmyth:
Interesting article, we'll see how much they 'give up' on Knox, but it does seem to be something Google have taken on and introduced in Android L. Although it doesn't seem to be something implemented at bootloader level just yet. Wonder if Samsung will stop the knox bootloader in future devices or not...:confused:

http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/07/report-samsung-giving-knox-google-take-android-security.html
[Galaxy S 4 General] oracle01642:
I rooted my phone a couple of months after I bought it to remove all of the google crap and other stuff. My phone is about a year old, so I have 12 months left on my warranty. I bought it sim free from the carphone warehouse.

So, say if my screen started to fail, do you think there is a very good chance I would get it fixed under warranty, even though the knox flag has been tripped?

Have you had any experience of sending your phone for repair, with the knox flag 0x1, and it being repaired?
[Galaxy S 4 General] iJo09:
Possible solution?

Yesterday I was browsing the web, when I found this "Samsung GSPN" (Global Service Partner Network). From there I began my research on this protected site, where you can go to "HHP Svc" and download various flash tools, factory firmware for ALL Samsung devices.

I really (REALLY) think that if we can get access to that server we'll be able to find all we need to reset Knox counter on I9505 and other devices.

I think it's like the Odin reset for the Exynos version of Note 3
[Galaxy S 4 General] GoNz0:
No I won't tell, it is more than my jobs worth!

But I know the answer. :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] iJo09:
Wait a moment... this isn't the HHP Svc. I think you don't have sufficient privileges.