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[Galaxy S 4 General] magiconthetire:
Hey guys...I cant seem to find a clear/straight foward answer everywhere I look

It seems like its very unclear on updating to 4.3 w/o triggering knox on the i9500

I have been reading that you will be stuck in bootloop simply flashing a 4.3 custom rom via CWM if you are on a 4.2.2 ROM? I have read this thread http://xdaforums.com/show....php?t=2494509 but I am still unclear on updated to a 4.3 based TW rom without triggering knox 0x1

Can we simply flash a stock 4.3 tar file in odin without triggering knox?
[Galaxy S 4 General] fAZernERo:
completely agree!
[Galaxy S 4 General] adry1988:
We may have knox but our phone is not locked completely as we can still install custom roms and kernels.

I think its only time and we will find out exactly how know works and ways of removing/disabling it completely. Although I came across this while I was looking on google

http://m.samsung.com/us/support/howtoguide/N0000005/13093/159642

How come note 3 has option to remove knox? Does gs4 have this option in 4.3?

Or can someone port the uninstaller?
[Galaxy S 4 General] hirodina:
It's just removing the application. Not KNOX from bootloader.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
How maby of you will be able to refuse the next hardware iteration of the S5 ?

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How many of you will truly be able to resist buying the newest most powerful phone from Samsung next year ?

Personally I am waiting on the oppo find 7 ... or the nexus 5... they may not pack the cream of the crop hardware but I certainly won't have to worry about counters and efuses.

And updates should be faster plus AOSP unhindered by the Top Secret EXYNOS files.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BlueChris:
Yes but they count knox 0x1 as rooting? This is the question. They say that warranty is void if the phone is rooted and cannot go in official firmware but this is tricky because if knox is 1 and you put original firmware the phone doesn't have knox security which is fundamental in current system.

I'm in Greece what's so ever but I wouldn't sit happy with this UK sammy answer
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
F*ck you sammy!
[Galaxy S 4 General] timberwolf60:
Maybe this knox hit China and the people there make protests so Samsung will take rectification measures.

In the past on I9300 and n7100 due to emmc chip problem. Now Samsung just announced to rectified it in China. Warranty extended to one more year. Those faulty set happen more then 2 time. Samsung will have to replace a same model to the people. And had a refund whose had paying for the repairs in the past in China. This happen to apple in China. Popularity was a major reason.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] jack197:
I need to be root ............... I usually choose between having warranty ..... or be root.

Very Bad Samunsug
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
I m 0x1 and no matter what firmware I use knox don t run. It installs and fails to run due to 0x1 issue. This is unfair. No warnings nothing just made my phone knox unusable without a warning and without choice. Blame you.

Sent from best phone they ever made! Since then only specs!
[Galaxy S 4 General] yarpiin:
Knox Flag Doesnt Mean That Warranty is Voided

Hi all,

Im new in XDA and that is my first post,

I have read a lot about knox and found some good but unconfirmed news,

One of Official Samsung Poland representative been asked about tripped knox flag and warranty,

he answered on twitter that Knox Flag doesnt mean that your warranty is voided,

I cant give a link as XDA wont let me:(
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Don't believe anything Samsung tells you mate they are nothing but a bunch of lying bastards
[Galaxy S 4 General] yarpiin:
Heh thats true I know something about it, have used their warranty centre in Poland but i bought item in UK they sent me to repair it in UK :D

Jost thought that its worth to mention it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Guys respect that samsung wants to protect you from malicious codes etc. Sure I'm not a big fan of this. They could have made an update where we can select to have no knox bootloader.

But the point is just because we don't like it doesn't mean it bad. The idea behind this is to get you a more secure device. And if you don't mind well go ahead and trigger the Knox flag

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy S 4 General] BlueChris:
But that's the problem WE DONT WANT IT where's the question to have it or not? We are not I sheep's sorry and I will never be
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Samsung should respect us mate end of

It's us the consumer that's made Samsung what they are today something Samsung has forgotten

They will pay for their arrogance

Between me an the wife over the past 2 years we've had the s2 S3 s4 note 1 and 2 Samsung smart TV plus all the recommendations I've made that's just us

Now imagine if many others do as I'm doing in not buying another or recommending another Samsung product

Remember if we don't want it we should have the option not to have it

And there's an old saying THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT (EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT ) :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] dxzh:
You are right in part, but security seems not to be the only idea behind this. Samsung in its Knox Ts&Cs appears to be reserving the right to charge a subscription fee for continued access to Knox in future. The Knox Ts&Cs also for some reason seem to permit Samsung access to personal information in Knox for statistical and certain other purposes.

On the warranty point, Samsung ought to highlight the independent statutory rights available in Europe to consumers, in addition to its own manufacturer's warranty, as these rights give European consumers recourse against the retailer (and in some cases the manufacturer) for defects in the phone irrespective of rooting (provided of course the rooting itself did not result in the defect). Apple appears in this respect much more open in recognising the existence of these consumer rights - see http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Now that makes sense

SAMSUNG is GREEDY AND SNEAKY

I didn't know that they were going to charge for the crap we didn't want
[Galaxy S 4 General] Anubhav Agrawal:
I went to samsung care centre today, talked to them a bit, they said if we try to root then the flag will trigger and the phone will go out of warranty ... i tried to ask them more, but they refused to talk much abt it(dnt think they knw abt it too ...)

Rooting will trigger the knox counter ...atleast thats what they said ..

Just saw someone in samsung care centre asking amonst themselves what does 0X2 means (i think someone with 0X2 had bought his s4 to centre )

Also, regarding knox counter resetting is impossible, everything is possible, just wait fr someone to crack ...

I was reading on xda site, it stated a senior member managed to remove knox and some unwanted apps frm official 4.3 and its available for download, cant find it again, when i do i will post link again ..
[Galaxy S 4 General] nish983:
if you want to remove all apps related to knox, just flash this zip in recovery http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2345519&d=1382545790 thanks to [MENTION=4515764]Degrated Shadow[/MENTION] for this script !!:laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 General] RobHands:
Device changed -> no warranty!

I can tell you exactly why warranty is voided. The flag tells greedy Sammy that the user tried to change the phone's function in its core and Samsung have the right to decline warranty for a device that isn't in it's state when the phone first was shipped. It would be the same for Apple if you bought a mac and would install a SSD yourself. The computer wouldn't be the same as sold, so therefore no warranty!
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
We are a small part of all the people who bought samsung products. There are more end users that uses this as a normal device which samsung wants it to have.

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy S 4 General] nish983:
People if you actually cared for your warranty you shouldn't have rooted the phone ...

There's an old saying "You need to lose something , to achieve something" ...

You guys want all thing together !!

Samsung never told us to root .

Stop blaming samsung, we decided our own fate, it was our choice to root our phone .
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Yes mate that is true but though recommendations the numbers really do swell

Look at it this way if you recommend Samsung to 10 of your friends then each of them recommend 10 of them each and so on the numbers mount up
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bessagabriel:
The difference is that in the past, people wore able to "hide" this modifications and claim warranty. For now on, it doesn't seem to be possible, if you root or use custom things, they will know.

But the "agreement" was never changed, If you modify your device, you'll be responsible for the device.
[Galaxy S 4 General] nish983:
I believe that if you commit a crime you be brave enough to face its consequences .
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Originaly posted by nish983

People if you actually cared for your warranty you shouldn't have rooted the phone ...

There's an old saying "You need to lose something , to achieve something" ...

You guys want all thing together !!

Samsung never told us to root .

Stop blaming samsung, we decided our own fate, it was our choice to root our phone .

What are you doing in xda?
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Give him a break mate he is the "VOICE OF GREEDY SAMSUNG "

Sent to piss our community off :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] nish983:
No offence people , but we even can't blame samsung !!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Menoxz:
My S4 non tampered or rooted or so, pure stock, started having issue a day after updating the android version. Some widget crashed and the phone was slow and all, after restarting in about total of 3-4 times that day, it went into a bootloop. I started reading up and tried resetting the partion and chache and so on. I managed to get it working three times, but that was inbetween several attempts. restarting simply put it in a bootloop. It also mentioned something about unable to mount various folders. I read up on installing an official rom, thinking the android os was broken,

So I tried to do an Emergency repair with Kies, but it didn't work, and each time it failed it had to redownload everything which took ages so I

gave up and decided to send it for phone repair. Also I didn't find any answer if knox would be triggered with Odin. using a stock firmware

They concluded it was damaged by water which I found was pretty weird considering it was never exposed to liquid.(Probably fumes) making my warranty invalid. I checked and noticed about 1/3 of the water sticker was bumped from exposure of "liquid"

So I checked if I could get it started either way. It actually booted up to the welcome settings, however this time google+ stopped working and made it restart(Most of the times). Just like last time I was able to get it working, however restarting made it become clean again.

This time, considering the warranty void I decided to do an Emergency recover again with Samsung Kies.

I put in my serial number and so on and it started downloading for about 2 hours.

However this time it actually did work (somewhat). it started installing instead of just nothinn. but it didn't fix my problem.

It is now in bootloop, and recovery mode doesn't work anymore and charing the phone results in a grey battery indicator

But what it did.

Product name : GT-I9505

Current Binary: Custom

System Status: Official

Knox Kernel lock: 0x0

Knox Warranty Void: 0x1

CSB-Config-LSB 0x30

Write Protection: Enable

Knox Warranty flag triggered by Samsungs offical program called Kies.

And yes again, my phone was completely stock.

I was under the impression it was an "Repair software". or did I miss something critical?
[Galaxy S 4 General] miloytyn:
I believe that if you install Linux to your Windows PC you don't put graphics card to warranty if it happens to break as the PC is no longer same as when you bought it.

Installing custom ROM should not void hardware warranty for exactly same reason.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
YES WE CAN LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT

1) FIRST OFF IT WAS FORCED UPON US BY RIGHTS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN OPTION

2) IT'S ALSO HAPPENING TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T ROOTED OR INSTALLED ANYTHING CUSTOM JUST INSTALLED THE OTA STRAIGHT FROM SAMSUNG

SO ACCORDING TO YOU THEY ARE AT FAULT AND NOT SAMSUNG?

GET A ****ING GRIP
[Galaxy S 4 General] nish983:
Ok . I am sorry .

Samsung sucks
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
That's a good answer mate

Sammy make some great phones but their arrogance towards the customers that made them big stinks
[Galaxy S 4 General] YOSEFE:
You work for Samsung?
[Galaxy S 4 General] dimkit:
I don't know if it is true.but one dev said that he hacked knox and he will release it on Monday. Let's hope it's true.

https://plus.google.com/113517319477420052449/posts/LCfF5A9fsTG
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bordo_Bereli51:
From his name, he is a turk, I'm turk too, and asked him. if he hacked knox or not.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
where does it say that? He opens his statement by writing "Bad news everyone".

Chainfire has specifically stated several times in the past that he has no idea how to reset the Knox flag, and not even what triggers it. He also suspects the eFuse that is tripped is permanent.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MattBooth:
In the EU KNOX does not void your warranty. Samsung can try that **** but it won't work.

Anyone telling you it's classed as user caused hardware damage is an idiot.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Can you state this with facts not only with some words. (I know you re wright).
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bordo_Bereli51:
Selahattin Göz. He said that he hacked it, I asked him how, he says that he will release it on monday.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
OK... I found his comments there.

Honestly? I pay to see that. :rolleyes: I hope I eat my words next weeks, but I don't think he's serious. He hasn't published anything, he hasn't showed on XDA (which is the most important source of info regarding that matter), he hasn't disclosed any info.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bordo_Bereli51:
He says that we must buy something. I think he lies
[Galaxy S 4 General] kaalalto:
I saw this on the Google+ discussion but I don't know if this is true or not...it's like when a new group oh hackers claims to jailbreak an iDevice. Did Chainfire confirmed this ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bordo_Bereli51:
No. He said to me that he contacted Chainfire but he hasn't recieved answer from chainfire.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
We the users are particularly complicit in Samsung's actions.

We assume the XDA devs can crack, hack and bypass everything.

We never cared when the first series of samsung counters came out.

We just bypassed it with the usb jig or triangle away.

We thought thay Samsung engineering was dumb and we can always beat them... all the while chainfire himself was warning us that Samsung is adapting and getting better at locking down phones.

Now all I see is "its unfair !"

When do we ever PROACTIVLY push for samsung to keep certain features optional and or provide us with a way to run third party ROM without voiding warantee... ?

We should have done this from the S2 days... when Samsung was eager to please the devs.

A development guarantee.

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I mean we could have asked Samsung to create a developer mode for tbe devices where we just register and get a digital key that authorizes us to tinker with the phone but if we firmware brick ... we stand the cost.

If it is a hardware fault they stand the cost.

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Now if those hackers have cracked knox... they have done an excellent job but they also just made it easier for samsung to really adapt and lock up the device.

Please let us remember one thing.... Samsung engineers are not dumb it will do us well not to under estimate them.
[Galaxy S 4 General] UltraPower31:
They weren't dumb at any point. They just tolerated it. I don't think that it was just a mistake that the usb jig was able to reset the counter or that the galaxy s2's boot partitions were suddenly visible so that Chainfire could create Triangle Away.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9505 mit Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
[MENTION=4273882]Gillion[/MENTION]

I don't think anyone has cracked KNOX, at least not yet.

For what I know of eFuse programming, they might or might not be permanent. I do a lot of Arduino programming, and when I get a blank chip (Atmega328) the first thing we do is to flash the proper efuses in the chip, and they will be like a physical mark on the chip.

Some types of efuses (such as the crystal + frequency eFuses) require a special board to be reset, where 12 volts are applied to Vin pin of the chip. This has the potential danger of physically damaging the chip.

Do you see where I am getting at? Although some fuses are not permanent, they require such an effort to be reprogrammed that in practice they are permanent. This may be the case with the efuse that samsung allegedly tripped.

In some chips, such as a few from Microchips, some efuses are WORM: Write Once, Read Many, meaning that once they are changed from 0 to 1, they can never be changed again.

My senses tell me, however, that Samsung's eFuse is not WORM. If it were, Samsung would be unable to reset a "fused" chip, thus trashing the entire board. It needs to be rewritable, because it is common practice in this industry to refurbish functional boards. The hardware to write the efuse is there already. All it needs is some way to trigger the reverse process.

The software that writes the fuse is in the bootloader and can be reverse engineered (Chainfire has worked on that), but it doubt Samsung would be so naive as to leave the code to reset the fuse in the bootloader as well. Maybe they use a different bootloader at the factory to reset the efuse and then flash a ROM onto the reset board.
[Galaxy S 4 General] reluctant_traveller:
What grinds my gears is that I am a private end user/consumer.

I have no interest WHATSOEVER, and my company has absolutely no use AT ALL for implementing any secure business comms via knox.

I am not exaggerating, the work I do would NEVER require the knox implementation to be used.

Why don't Samsung create knox free versions of their firmware, you sign a waiver or something linked to your imei or similar hardware key and be done with it. If a company wants knox, they should provide the phone in my opinion. My phone should not be locked like this, is a long time ago that I owned a nokia 3310
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
Nexus.... simple solution.
[Galaxy S 4 General] FatherD:
+1
[Galaxy S 4 General] ugly_bob:
[MENTION=2916299]Simonetti2011[/MENTION] - Thanks very much for your information, it's good to finally see some research based posts in this research thread.

In regards to warranty, there are a few simple things everyone would benefit from understanding and accepting.

1. Regardless of whether it is the cause of the problem, liquid damage will void your warranty.

2. Regardless of whether it is the cause of the problem, impact damage will void your warranty.

3. Regardless of whether it is the cause of the problem, software tampering will void your warranty.

Eg, If you have a small amount of liquid ingression in your charger port, and suddenly your camera stops working - warranty void.

Eg 2. If you mess with the software and then your power button gives out - warranty void.

Any exceptions to these rules are just that - exceptions. Everyone has been posting different experiences and explanations, which in some part is due to some repair centres being owned by Samsung, and others being third parties operating as Samsung approved warranty centres. The latter have rules set by Samsung and do not have the same flexibility that the actual manufacturer has. Either way - it is safest to assume that the points outlined above apply.

Now whether or not this is ethical or fair is another point entirely, which is why most countries have some kind of consumer legislation that essentially protects customers from unfair policies. This is what you will need to claim under if your situation fits into one of the above categories.

I hope this clears things up.

As a side note - if you have 0x1 and want to make a warranty claim, you could always try intentionally hard bricking the phone and then claiming kies crashed during a firmware update. Just an idea.

Now lets please keep this thread on topic.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Judging by the one who claims to hacked the bootloader did you see this:

Selahattin Göz4 dagar sedan+Chainfire*i hacken Knox my Device is Rooted and its still on 0x0 Germany Device And im Germany gui

Yeah he got root and yes its been achieved without tripper knox (custom kernel and recovery) seems to trigger knox but what about deleting apps?

My point is don't be too disappointed if it won't come on Monday because he's not clear at all. He doesn't mention if he's tested unsigned kernels. I would say be suspicions.

But judging from this

Eugene Brushchenko9 timmar sedanThank you for everything you do and for the quick response on this.

He seems to be known from somewhere. Still not sure if that can be a bot ;)

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy S 4 General] balogcsaba:
The warranty valditation verification differs from a country to another, a friend of mine had problem with a SG S2 with his screen, he had a full custom rom on it, and Samsung Romania, replaced his screen without a problem.

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Another friend who bricked his phone because of a custom firmware tried to repair on warranty, in his case Samsung repaired his phone but charging him with 10 Euros.
[Galaxy S 4 General] silentscreamer:
Samsung via Facebook and Twitter.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
[MENTION=4435346]LastStandingDroid[/MENTION]

I am so skeptical about that guy you have no idea. Let's do a little exercise and pretend we were the ones who hacked the bootloader and reser the flag. What you would do instantly?

a) Make 2 or 3 remarks in someone else's google+ page, and then vanish?

b) Create a blog of your own showing your work, with a proof-of-concept demo, and then go to the world`s #1 source of info on mobile devices hacking, which happens to be XDA, and show your work. That would even allow more people to contribute to your discovery and even test your proof-of-concept.

Being able to reset the KNOX warranty flag is, today, such a breakthrough on cellphone hacking that the one that does it would be considered a hero by many, one to be admired and appreciated.

Seriously, guys: just put yourselves in his place IF it were true! Would you be silent for so long, taking this breakthrough lightly?

I don't think so!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Technecium:
A platform intended to be developed on, unlike the S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ahaan7:
Alright guys its been 3 months i have my s4 unrooted and now i have decided to root it. but i heard about KNOX. I have tried everywhere but could not find my answer so asking you guys. I really want to root my S4 running official android 4.3 i9500, so whats knox role after rooting? is it safe rooting my i9500? please guide me.
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
when you Root you have 2 methods: the usual CF Auto Root and Root De la Vega.

the Autoroot (and pretty much every other Root method) somehow trips the flag if it even works. The Problem, you wont be able to use Knox anymore, which is in most cases not really disturbing. the Main Problem is that TriangleAway and such wont work anymore (yet).

De la Vega is Knox-safe meaning your Counter and your warranty is intact.

Only Problem is that you wont be able to use a custom kernel or recovery iw you dont want to trigger the knox flag...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tunestwo:
Wich version do have the knox savety?
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
the knox thing is there since I9505XXUDMH5.

on Note 3 always...