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[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
I feel you.. people who dont have a clue about smartphones and technology shouldnt be working there.

Anyways after much hassle they finally gave me a new phone, the other one had dead pixels.

Luckily this one doesnt have yellow hue problem either, so far I'm really pleased with the screen, my acro s shows slightly more saturated colors but after one day of usage I prefer the more natural looking screen on the Z1
[Xperia Z1 General] demoniality:
You two, i've got to burst your bubble but phone shops are a Business and most the staff are employed to sell, not be technical experts. in o2 that is what the free guru service is for. Others make you pay for the same thing. Do not expect technical experts in a job which puts pressure on sales targets and encourages a clear separation between sales staff and technical (guru) staff. Those salespeople that are techically minded are the ones that dont meet targets and lose their jobs because they spend literally most their days solving technical problems for people that could do it themselves if they made the effort. To think only technical minded people should be employed is hugely naive.
[Xperia Z1 General] DeepEmbrace:
True. Im one of those technical guys who dont really hunt targets. Glad i got a good manager who keeps me cause i solve a ton of stuff for him ;)
[Xperia Z1 General] Untouchab1e:
Am I the only one who finds it odd that Sony, a company that's made high quality TV's for ages, cant give their high end mobile flagship a display that competes with the best in class?

Viewing angles does matter any time you want to show a video or picture to your friends sitting around the table, and otherwise, the screen is mediocre in most aspects compared to the best in class, though it does produce very good white's and blacks (most of the time).

Im puzzled.. :S
[Xperia Z1 General] romiros:
Tell me, please. Your friends will look at the screen under 70-80 degree angel? What will they see? Photo? Video? ))) You really think so? Did you see the z1's screen?
[Xperia Z1 General] evilhomura89:
BH905 (white) and BH90B (purple)
[Xperia Z1 General] cihanleanne:
can we not have all :) colour accuracy,contrast, good viewing angle and less gamma loss i think if Sony want they can do all that is the only problem.

İ have grown up with Sony product what i do not get how the hell have they lost the game to Koreans.
[Xperia Z1 General] jos_031:
Na every display tech have some issue...
[Xperia Z1 General] Morlock O:
so High End to you means view angles? not Pixel density? not color balance? not saturation? not brightness? LOL congrats you just been brain washed by samsung :D

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I dont think Sony has lost, they only started to be serious about their android phones 2 years ago with release of Xperia S. their android market share has been on the upside since then. they will tailing Samsung very very soon...
[Xperia Z1 General] Exidouce:
I find it very interesting that folks are willing to spend so much money on a phone then try to justify a poor viewing angle by saying just look at it straight on stupid. It's like a woman that gets beat by her boyfriend/husband every week and says "but he's usually really nice". It's bull. We should not have to settle. I WILL be going back to vodafone. I love the phone as a whole but the viewing angle has me really bummed. All of the other minor issues with the phone can be firmware fixed and if not by Sony then by CM(love you guys).

Sony should be held accountable. They almost made an incredible phone. When you walk into a store and the display device looks amazing and you get your fancy new phone home to realize that the consistent quality isn't there is frustrating.

Aside from the yellow tint to everything I would like to note that straight on the screen looks great. Very clear and I love the resolution compared to my old SII. However, If I move the phone even a little the contrast changes a noticable about. Unacceptable. It's not being brainwashed but any other vendor. It's what should be expected on an expensive device.
[Xperia Z1 General] joslicx:
well its always a compromise some way or other! With Samsung you get the pentile SAMOLEDs that are useless outdoors! How is that not a compromise? With Apple you just have a 4 inch screen (not even HD). To me that is a compromise as well (as well as their stupid software where I cant even access anything anywhere except their way). These are two hugely successful companies that dole out products full of compromises.
[Xperia Z1 General] Exidouce:
I consider the viewing angle beyond compromise. The outside viewing really is great but if it even had 40* of movement before changing I'd be okay with that. My issue is with quality control. Not all Z1's are created equal. To dangle the carrot in front of our face by displaying a phone in the store without these issues to then sell you one that looks like crap from the side is just wrong.

I cannot stand the tiny apple screen or the fact that you can't use the sammy's outside too well. My wifes HTC one has none of these issues. Just the smaller screen size.
[Xperia Z1 General] Exry:
My display is fine. Viewing angles are Ok, I don't notice them. And no yellow hue, as far as I can tell. I haven't found any dead pixels either. :D

S/n starts with CB.
[Xperia Z1 General] Morlock O:
but it is, before Samsung (and the reviewers paid by them) made a fuss about viewing angles, nobody really gives a damn lol

its the effect of using AmoLEDs you get good viewing angles... so samsung has to sell this feature make it look like all high end device must have it making their device look high end lol... its call marketing...

I have had a lot samsungs before and live in a bright country, so I value color, and sunlight visible higher than viewing angles... and I'm the person who will also put privacy shield on my screens as I do a lot confidential stuff...
[Xperia Z1 General] Geoffxx:
I tend to agree with your comments - what you describe is not the phone that I got which is exactly your point - the absence of any technical details about the screen technology is a clue I guess - I had a ZU and the screen as far as I can tell is very consistent and is of one type only - Z! seems to be several some good some not so good, IMO that is a fundamental flaw on Sony's part, it is a blemish on an otherwise almost perfect device and one that will surely cost them sales and grief not just for the Z1 but for every phone they bring to market - they need to take a long hard look at this situation and make it right

On the other hand they packaged the early devices with free stuff perhaps to compensate for this PR nightmare they have created - if I was a Sony executive I'd be firing people for having poor judgement.

I haven't seen a poor screen on a Z1 as I've only looked at the one I have but have to assume that they exist - if I'd got one it would have been returned immediately
[Xperia Z1 General] Exidouce:
I understand what you mean about the marketing but I am the kind of person who buys a 24" IPS monitor in 2005 when they were $700+ because of viewing angle and color reproduction. I think that's before Samsung started their marketing campaigns. I am also the kind of person who throws out viewing angle restricting screen protectors.

But again I can tolerate 30-50* of movement before major contrast changes. I like to set my phone on the desk and watch stuff from time to time. I like to share videos with co-workers. I get a MAX of 10* of movement before the contrast changes rather drastically. The yellow tinge I can deal with. THe viewing angle drives me bonkers.

Thanks for the understanding. If it were all Z1's that had the issue I simply wouldn't have bought the phone and just sucked up the no SD slot and got a G2 or Nexus 5. The store's Z1 looked amazing. Mine does not.
[Xperia Z1 General] Morlock O:
If this is the case, then sony is not for you man... Sony Xperias always have not so great viewing angles on all their phones.. Z1 was a little improvement but not so much... I think this is something that Sony does not believe would make a great smartphone. this is the reason most people on here don't really care about viewing angles as they do agree with Sony's philosophy of what makes a great smartphone...

I think if the store version and your version is different, you might have the batch with the screen calibration problem... I think you can try and get your phone replaced...
[Xperia Z1 General] Exidouce:
I totally understand the pros and cons of the various panel technologies. I can handle not being able to see at 70*+. No big deal. But I am going to see what else they have. Hopefully they have one with a better panel. I really do like the phone. Just not my screen.
[Xperia Z1 General] matheus_sc:
For me COLOR reprodution and durability is more important than View angle, my device is not to show to other people, is my personal device, sad than my not arrive yet.
[Xperia Z1 General] Exidouce:
I hope you are lucky enough to not get the same panel that I did.

I really do mean it when I say that 5-10* movement from center and the contrast changes a lot.
[Xperia Z1 General] Morlock O:
I really think you got a faulty panel...
[Xperia Z1 General] Geoffxx:
the best screen I've seen on a Z series Sony phone was the ZU - it was quite staggering - but in low light had backlight bleed slightly
[Xperia Z1 General] ZeneticX:
just got my Z1 yesterday. very satisfied with my display... serial number starts with BH901
[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
Jeez, when will you people understand that the reason Sony phones don't have amazing viewing angles is because in some Asian countries especially in Japan people really care about privacy and see limited viewing angles as something positive.

That's why the tablet Z and the Z ultra (which can be considered a tablet replacement) have great viewing angles.

I use the the phone as a normal person and viewing angles has never been an issue, not one single time. If that's a very important feature to you then Sony smartphones are not for you.

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[Xperia Z1 General] ruchirtrehan:
That's true, also to mention people are totally brain washed saying viewing angles is not good no one uses the phone at that angle as they're trying to state it, using a phone when kept on table, watching vids or showing stuff to friends display doesn't gets bad nor the viewing angles, if you extremely tilt the phone no one is gona watch anything on it since it's useless so no point stating viewing angles ain't good, and if you still feel display isn't good, you for sake don't need to waste your time here and find another place for yourself.
[Xperia Z1 General] pshdo:
My Z1 is BH909, and there is no problem with the screen at all...

:good:

There is NO yellow tint what so ever...!

I CAN se the viewing angle is not 170 degrees like some other LCD TV and/or phones, but neigther was the one in the store, and i just love that...!

I actually like the privacy from what some people here call "bad viewing angel", my phone is mine and mine alone, my mails and text-messeges is personal, and not for everyone else to see...

Not that i am James Bond or anything like that LOL...

- i just don´t like to share my life with strangers on the train or in the city, and IF i have a video my GF have to see, i can actually turn my phone over to her, pretty simple issn´t it ;)
[Xperia Z1 General] Tristard:
I was just about to send my Z1 back to the retailer. but after reset to factory settings, the yellow-issue disappeared. :confused:
[Xperia Z1 General] Raspster:
Do any of you actually look at your screens from a side angle view? LOL, The angle thing does not bother me. To be honest, like others have said, I enjoy my privacy more... Now, what I do enjoy about the sony's screens is how I can view the screen on the Z1 in sunlight SOOOOOOOOOO much better than any other phone I have ever had! Now THAT is a good selling point.

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YUP! This worked for me too folks! In fact, Clove told me to do this when I said I was concerned about it and it worked! This is why I love Clove! Always a good answer from them!
[Xperia Z1 General] Raspster:
This is the picture I compared for contrast with my z and z1. Hope this helps.
[Xperia Z1 General] ruchirtrehan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvChRTJWDbk

Pretty much I don't believe this sh** neither like it but still just to tell people what the think about Sony's build quality is just dumb****, it's not gona break off so easily you can see in the video, also the phone wasn't turning on, but that's again pretty obvious if you do some drop tests purposely that will surely happen, but if something sudden happens nothing can happen to the z1 too easily, it's a really solid piece of glass.
[Xperia Z1 General] Ame123:
This is certainly true..outdoors the screen is stunning u can see everything without any need to max the brightness
[Xperia Z1 General] jonmorris:
It seems the brightness adjustment now works a lot more like any other phone with auto brightness. Before the Z1, the Z and others appeared to just adjust a small amount from your chosen starting point - meaning I ended up using a third party app to adjust the brightness (but this often kept the brightness too high).

Now, even with the lowest setting, the phone will adjust up to make the screen brighter in sunlight - but on top of that, you can actually

see

the screen in the sun, whereas on my Xperia Z it would almost look like the screen was off.

All this stuff about viewing angles is beginning to get annoying, as I bet that if you showed the phone to someone who was't aware of all the fuss, they'd say the screen is stunning. Then you might tell them and they'd go 'so what' or 'oh, yeah, now I see it' and not make a big deal of it.

There have been some screens that have deliberately had low viewing angles not only for privacy, but also to help you see the display in strong light - with a polarised filter that affectively reduces the glare when looking at the screen. Perhaps the Z1 display is so good in sunlight because of the very design that makes it start to wash out, slightly, when tilted.
[Xperia Z1 General] LordManhattan:
This thread is hilarious.
[Xperia Z1 General] logzz:
I can assure you there is a problem with the screen as I have both the xperia z1 and the xperia z and my xperia z has a far better screen with more contrast and colour. I am taking mine in and will be showing them both phones so they can see how bad the screen is
[Xperia Z1 General] babylonbwoy:
French site Les Numeriques tested the Z1 (lab test), they says that the panel is MVA Technology (according to them viewing angle will always be worst than IPS just du to this), and their test shows

Contrast 660:1

Brightness 500 cd/m²

DeltaE 5.5

Remance 13ms

Latence 109ms

XZ1 test http://www.lesnumeriques.com/telephone-portable/sony-xperia-z1-p16826/test.html

XZ test http://www.lesnumeriques.com/telephone-portable/sony-xperia-z-p15135/test.html
[Xperia Z1 General] krispijn_s:
The problem with all of these tests is that they don't report what batch (serial) the phone is from and what ROM version they are running. Also, they're testing just a singular unit. This shows as some review sites have gotten other (vastly different) values and some seem to get the same.

My point is: these tests should be taken with a grain of salt. There's always going to be lemons (especially in the first batches), but most units are going to be fine. Return a lemon (yellow hue, low contrast) if you're not happy with the screen; you're probably best of testing the unit in store.

If anything it shows the risk of early adoption and maybe some flacky quality control by Sony. But they're in good company... has anyone taken a close look at the new iPhone's gyro's recently? ;)
[Xperia Z1 General] Ame123:
I have the z1 and all i can say is the display is stunning..and believe me it has even if the whites are warmer..what i did is downloaded the ios7 wall papers and compared them with the retina ipad and everybdy would be knowing that the retina screen of ipad is the best screen outthere and the result i got was the z1 and ipad displays had the.same. Exact reults ;):D

Believe me.guys dont go on the.reviews as no site gives good reviews.for.sony phones as if other mobile companies are paying them money and sony doesnt..same thing with the camera its fantastic and sites instead of comparing it with the likes of iphone5s,SG4,NOTE3,LG G2,LUMIA 920 SERIES they compare with monster giant lumia 1020 which has double the.pixels at 41mpix and far bigger.sensor.compare the.z1 camera with other phones except the. Lumia 1020 and u will se the z1 will truimph every other phones..if u guys want the proof regarding the display ill try to post somes photos comparing the 2 displays..
[Xperia Z1 General] gclancer:
I've had z, zl, zu then z1. By far, z1 has the best display out of then all. I can careless about the viewing angle and actually give u little more privacy so it's a good thing. I also had the s4 google play edition. S4 display is more vibrant in color but z1 gives out more realistic color. Sony has really improved their display since the z :thumbup:

BTW serial# for mine is BH901*******, perfect screen:thumbup:
[Xperia Z1 General] naga.nino:
Wow, dude, what the hell are you trying to prove in this video?! Have you ever even tested colors in those two phones. Have you ever tested grayscale, near black levels? No?! Put this image on both of the screens, 100% brightness: http://dl.project-voodoo.org/screen-tests/near-black.png

What you will see are nice levels of actuall black and gray tones on the xperia Z1 display, and terrible greenish and orangeish and brownish colorshifting tones on xperia Z display. Please stop with that stupid "yellow hue" thing and do some real testing. I dare you to put Z and Z1 side by side with this image loaded on screen to see how wrong you are. And please share your video with us.
[Xperia Z1 General] bucho2004:
Just installed the original wallpapers from the Z, and they look significantly better, including the Viewing Angles, on the Xperia Z1. No one has any valid right to claim that the screen is the same as on the original Z
[Xperia Z1 General] jonmorris:
Comparing with other devices is all very good, but don't forget that these screens vary too - hence why Sony added screen controls to the newer Z firmware. I expect a lot of the 'yellow tint' complaints are just down to a warmer colour profile.

No two screens are ever going to be identical but it doesn't matter as in 99% of cases you won't have two side by side and your eyes adjust.
[Xperia Z1 General] naga.nino:
It is not due to the "warmer color profile", it is due to the "more accurate color profile".
[Xperia Z1 General] birdkai:
nuff said

See the photo, S4 the bigger one and S2 the smaller one, nuff said.

What now, Samsung has the flaw screen now? People tends to compare the Z1 with Z, ZU, but they never compare to other brand. When you start comparing, things became obvious, even all the "perfect" screen you guys love so much is just simple warmer. Every manufacturer has different kind of white output. Nuff said.
[Xperia Z1 General] Tristard:
yup, after reset to factory settings, I'm also back to this warmer touch. but before that, the screen was

yellow

, not just warm.
[Xperia Z1 General] logzz:
Z is at the top and z1 on bottom

What do you guys think? The screen I find on the z has deeper black and better colour range. I will find a z1 with a good display and most probably get rid of my one now. There is a difference is displays on the z1 for sure
[Xperia Z1 General] Tristard:
I think naga.nino gave a good picture for testing black some posts ago. better try with this one:

http://dl.project-voodoo.org/screen-tests/near-black.png
[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
so a factory reset makes the yellow hue disappear??
[Xperia Z1 General] logzz:
its hard to show over the computer but the black on my z1 is a lighter shade then that of the z. Colours on the z are very good but on the z1 they are washed out like the display is lacking a lot of contrast. If they all have displays like that then I will live with it but I don't think they do, I think some are lucky and have panels very close to ips ones. I have looked at a few videos on youtube and the one picture you can see it in is the z1 lockscreen background. In a good display there will be a lot more purple just above the green planet earth wallpaper with the lights on it. that's my opinion I guess
[Xperia Z1 General] Tristard:
as I already wrote in post #288, yes.

the yellow hue appeared right after updating to 14.1.G.1.534. when I was about to send it back to the store and did the reset, it disappeared. and I still have 14.1.G.1.534 on my device. no idea if this has something to do with it, but that's what I experienced.
[Xperia Z1 General] Jiyeon90:
Good to know! I have noticed the screen has some yellow hue when displaying something grey.. otherwise the colors are fine, will wait for the next update or for their screen calibration app, dont wanna do a factory reset as I will lose all my data,
[Xperia Z1 General] whatwhatster:
My first Xperia Z1 has a little bit of cracking sound on the back, don't no if the battery case isn't glued 100% but I get a annoying sound and don't want any problems with it in a later stadium.

So the 2nd phone(serial 901) I got had the yellow hue problem and send it back and the 3rd phone(serial 903) was badder then the 2nd one so attached a pic comparing with my 1st phone(serial 907) that I still use. White is always like this on the phone so I don't know what Sony was thicking, €650,- for a phone and all with different panels in it so not right.

But anyway I am happy with my first phone but that sound from the back still gives me irritation but every replaced is not good so I have no chose to stick with it :))).

By the way the Wifi is weak in distance comparing with other phones, I got the Xperia Z Tablet and I think this was also had reception problems but it got fixed with firmware later on?, so hope this will be also the case.

And sometimes I get a black screen where I cannot come out from so figured out when pressing the volume button up with holding the power button gives it a cold boot. It happend 3 times in 1 week but beside that I love the phone :).
[Xperia Z1 General] Dpk1:
Assuming both phones are at same brightness, XZ has deeper black but a dominant purple hue (even on greys). Z1 tends to have more neutral colours with better greys (bit creamy) but not so deep black. Also there is more detail, albeit better contrast, appreciacble on the grey meshwork background on the Z1 screen. I too had the XZ (jdc display) before the Z1, and the Z1 (renesas sharp) screen is superior to XZ screen in colour rendering (accuracy & wider colour spectrum), black levels & apparent contrast while having similar max brightness and viewing angles as the XZ.

Get your Z1 replaced if you are too much bothered by black levels, but before that do check other Z1 demo units.
[Xperia Z1 General] logzz:
Yea im just gonna look at a few in shops and see how they look first and that was done with both screens at full brightness and you are right the xz does have a slight purple hue, but colours to me a just a bit more vibrant on the xz, I thought buying the z1 I was gonna be in for a little bit better screen not one slightly worse then my xz. overall the rest of the phone is great and my camera is outstanding with no issues at all like others have been experiencing
[Xperia Z1 General] hoezay:
Finally two Z1's together with different screens. Thank you for this. I thought I was going crazy. I'm waiting to hear from Sony about replacing my Z1 which also looks like there's muddy water inside it.