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[Galaxy S 4 General] Adnan1973:
Do you think there is any connection with pit files ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gboniel:
I'm on new bootloader, running MJ5 with 0x0. Downloading heimdall now.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Why u need pit for it :confused:

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy S 4 General] greg_mp:
I would be pleased to do it , I'm on MJ3 , full official no root no flag . What is heimdall?, I didn't find it an the play store .( GN 3)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Braulio00:
I thing is this, hope I can help.

http://www.glassechidna.com.au/products/heimdall/
[Galaxy S 4 General] greg_mp:
Ok, I DLed it, connect to the GN3 in DL mode, but heimdall cannot downlopad the pit:

Initialising connection...

Detecting device...

ERROR: Failed to access device. libusb error: -12
[Galaxy S 4 General] galnet:
You have to run the file zadig "Run as Administrator" ( in the Drivers folder, chose the driver M****** and install WCID Driver..

Come back out of this open up Heimdall "Run as Administrator" goto utilities tab and click Detect, and try again.
[Galaxy S 4 General] greg_mp:
Do you have links to download this zadig? Please forgive my newb question, i'm quite new in samsung world and doesn't know depth of flashing. I'm bit knowledgable in mobile platforms and wiuld like to understand what I'm doing... ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] galnet:
It's within the Hemidall Suite (Inside the Drivers folder).

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Try flashing a .pit via Odin or Heimdall

Notice the part about FAIL in red?

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Any luck?
[Galaxy S 4 General] gboniel:
Same problem as user above. First time using heimdall and I'm on Windows 8, on my way to work now, will test again when I get there.
[Galaxy S 4 General] galnet:
Cheers :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] gboniel:
I only got 8kb, is it really that way?

anyway, here you go.
[Galaxy S 4 General] galnet:
Yep that's the one ;) Cheers. :good:
[Galaxy S 4 General] kaalalto:
Did you find any difference between a 0x1 and 0x0 pit file ? :o
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Could someone please upload a PIT with KNOX 0x1?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] GalaxyS49505:
No difference at all i compared him.
[Galaxy S 4 General] somator:
hmm ? how
[Galaxy S 4 General] MattBooth:
Rooting doesn't void your statutory warranty against hardware faults. It's THAT simple.
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
At least if he's in Europe...

And there is a way of rooting with triggering the counter. Kingo root...
[Galaxy S 4 General] rahulsuneja:
I'm kinda in a fix here! I've gotta send my I9500 for warranty repair/replacement to Samsung SC. I've got dead pixel in my camera sensor (it dances in video mode). But I'm reluctant to do so. I haven't updated to 4.3 yet and wasn't planning to do so until there were a workaround for this Knox counter issue. Actually, we have warranty issues here in India if the Knox security counter was to be tripped. And I'm pretty sure the SC guys would do a software update on my phone before checking on the hardware. So I'll be in a compromised situation then! Confused.. :confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Weel what would you think that your device would be re partitioned because Knox was tripped :p

That would be then easy to fix with just re partition to fix Knox :p

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy S 4 General] galnet:
See what I mean about people jumping to conclusions.. :silly:

For others references, it was so I had a before and after PIT, simply put I'm trying to get dumps of everything to compare coding. This is the only true way we will know what has changed.

I only asked for a PIT from before 0x1 as that was the last thing I required.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mkbm:
Hi,

I have official TW 4.2.2 installed on my i9505 with cf-auto root installed.

I don´t want to update to the latest official firmware beacuse the Knox flag.

Maybe I want to try some custom roms but I have a question before doing that.

Can I prevent getting the Knox flag / system if I don´t update to the official 4.3 firmware?

Can I try any custom rom without getting the Knox flag?

And can I than revert to the official TW 4.2.2 firmware without getting any "void warranty" flag if I have to send the device for warranty repair?

Best Regards
[Galaxy S 4 General] Fornowagain:
Look at the Omega 13.2 rom. TW 4.3 with your old bootloader, no problem if you want to revert.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dpeddi:
Pease, can someone post here a pre knox bootloader dump and all mbn and knox enabled one with all his mbn files?

I searched if someone already posted them with no success...

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[Galaxy S 4 General] gboniel:
Deleted. bad info.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dpeddi:
What i think i understand

Lk aboot.mbn contain fastboot stuff

Sammy aboot.mbn lack of fastboot stuff

Sbl2.mbn is odin interface

Aboot.mbn can't be replaced in Knox enabled boot

So...

Knox rw routine should be in aboot.mbn and sbl2.mbn has been updated to protect aboot.mbn

Who rewrite bl via jtag should had to restore all the mbn chain...

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[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
wait a sec sbl2.mbn protects aboot, then why not replace sbl2, THEN aboot???
[Galaxy S 4 General] dpeddi:
I thought the same... perhaps spl2.mbn protect itself using signature... i don't know if flashing from linux is possible with knox protected bootloader. Obviously the risk of brick the device is high.. note that phisical address of nand should come from aboot.mbn..
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
then we take an boot.mbn that just controls writing the other files, but not itself and after that we use the hacked aboot.mbn to kill the knox counter...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
Do you understand how the Samsung bootloader chain works ?

Not the bootloader or support files... just the general sequence of events from power-on to android loading ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
honestly, not so really, but why not replace the whole BL chain???
[Galaxy S 4 General] galnet:
I was about to ask the same question.

We can't just copy and past random .mbn files. This will result in a soft brick, and will result in the Signed Keys within the bootloader, kernel and framework being incorrect. Even if for some magical reason the phone didn't brick, it would present you with a blank screen, that you wouldn't be able to see what's happening.
[Galaxy S 4 General] dimkit:
I have just received an email from Samsung Greece the knox void does not cancel the guarantee.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Guys, this has to be brought to the public and ask a public standpoint from Samsung.

Maybe all this reset knox hassle isn't needed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] JohnnyRebel:
Agreed. I'm hoping someday if for some reason I need knox I can just pay Samsung a small fee to reset it. Stills seems like to much speculation, and not enough answers. If Samsung clarified they were willing to reset upon request, all would be resolved.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
How many boot loaders are in the trusted chain for a given architecture (qualcom and exynos) ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] BlueChris:
Guys read this in N2

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2500823
[Galaxy S 4 General] Blezz:
well they flashed a LEAKED 4.3 rom

this won't work for our 4.3 phones to flash back to an old leaked
[Galaxy S 4 General] panosfast:
Is this true? Can you post the answer here?
[Galaxy S 4 General] ppcd9220:
I found one interesting thread...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2441441

This is nice stuff for Operator version of S4. It allows multi-system actually. And as I understood (may be wrong) it bypasses the Bootloader.

May be we can use similar method to work with protected areas/partitions ?

Can't really clarify for myself how could this help, but I feel that this is something that could be useful...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
Well the objective of the thread is to understand enough about KNOX to find a way to reset it.

Safestrap is fundamentally a virtual ROM concept for when the original OEM boot-loader locks you out of the native recovery, kernel and ROM.

For many users here the boot-loaders aren't locked... instead it is being monitored, secured and flagged by a system we do not fully understand... and it tattles on you when you flash other ROM's thus leading to some peoples anxiety about loss of warranty if some hardware element unfortunately fails on the device.
[Galaxy S 4 General] MemoryController:
Can you post a screenshot please?

Ευχαριστώ :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Michal Z.:
I have a request. I'm reading about this KNOX thing for about 2hours and there is so many versions of what it does that I'm really confused. Could anyone who really understands it post an answer summarizing what KNOX mean to usual customer?

I mean one site says that with knox flag set I loose my warranty ( OK this is not important for now because there is no official info from samsung so skip this).

1. If I have knox flag set, then can I flash to other roms? Or is there any rule saying that I won't be able to flash any rom with knox but I will be able to flash one without knox?

2. Can I root my device? I mean, I don't care about this flag and warranty, I just want my device to be working. Is this possible?

3. What I can't do with knox flag set to 0x1?

4. Does It mean something else than loosing warranty if I'm not interested in using KNOX application?

5. What about updates? If I have flag set to 0x1, will I still get updates from samsung?

And last question:

Can I somehow flash Google Edition rom to my Galaxy S4 if I have 4.3 with knox (0x0) now?
[Galaxy S 4 General] garyblake:
Most of those questions are the same and unknown at this moment in time.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Michal Z.:
So if answer will be no... then samsung will loose many many customers. It's not right what they did especially that they didn't infrorm users enough.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Yeah that's why many of us have sold our s4 and moved on already
[Galaxy S 4 General] Michal Z.:
I'm not sure if it was a joke but I actually thought about selling it and buying something else like nexus 5:p
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Don't get me wrong I was a big Samsung fan but they seem to think that their customers will put up with all the bull**** they spew

This year Sammy has made some huge **** up's with knox tizen and then going on about id chips in their accessories whatever they are playing at is going to cost them a lot of custom
[Galaxy S 4 General] Michal Z.:
I was their fan too... until yesterday when I got 4.3 update which deleted my favourite 4x3 keyboard and added ****ty knox thing :/
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Well I've moved over to the sony z1 and truth be known i wished I'd done it sooner
[Galaxy S 4 General] FatherD:
Next stop for me is... Zopo! Great devices, fully unlocked.. and no BS :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Samsung seems to want to commit suicide

Even their customer services are arrogant

Not surprisingly many are moving away to other devices
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
Many technical users are upset... ordinary users couldn't care less... Smasung has brand recognition. Think ordinary people care about bootloader locks ? Look at Apple. Their device still sells millions despite its locked down nature. People don't care... they will still buy apple or samsung. It's only you the tinker and the flasher that cares and your only .01% of sales. Think about it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Yeah but add all the recommendations us "tinklers " make for their devices then the recommendations they and their friends make and that small percentage soon grows rapidly

Think about it

How much crap are you going to take from them and for how long?

Eventually even samsungs die hards are moving away from them
[Galaxy S 4 General] andr01d3:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
Samsung does not really listen to the tinkers on XDA.

If they did they would have kept their word and released source code and documentation for the EXYNOS line years ago when XDA devs spoke with Samsung directly even at a live conference.

Samsung promised.... and turned their backs.

Just today Samsung admit it's software sucks.... but I have yet to see proof that they will ever listen to us.

Hierarchical companies like Samsung hardly if ever listen to tinkers.

In Samsungs case they merely follow design trends and take their lead from Google and apple.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
The only time Samsung will listen is when and if enough people start walking away
[Galaxy S 4 General] Gillion:
China, India, Latin America and the Caribbean, these markets are Samsungs secret sauce... those customers are not walking away... and well hype sells and right now Samsung has a global hype in its favour.

They will be on top for the next 2 years.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Well mate time will tell
[Galaxy S 4 General] timberwolf60:
This was the trend of security developments. Samsung will keep growing whose doesn't care a small rooting groups like peoples in XDA. if samsung can gain the Trust for big companies in China and India of knox implementation. Samsung will be more stronger in sales and eventually may take over iPhone. For myself I definately walk away from Samsung and go for Sony Z1 if knox can't be reset.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Adnan1973:
That is I am of the same mind
[Galaxy S 4 General] BlueChris:
I'm a tinker and Ok I represent the 0.000001% as some claim but to be in position to alter my phone and make it better I'm also the guy who all the coworkers ask for anything as matter their phones so and this is a true story that since the 1st galaxy all my coworkers had any brand phone you can think but after 4 years the 90% have sammy so what do you think I am guiding all my coworkers with this bullsammy moves? Off course I tell them to forget sammy. In specific i reply for Nexus 5 from now on.

We are few but we are strong, that's my opinion.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Adnan1973:
Where what against Samsung is the power of a handful of people. No.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
True, but Samsung will loose a lot of enthusiastic supporters using a hell of time debugging faulty beta versions and reporting back for free :eek:

NEVER flash a leak ... this is the way Samsung hires test people for free without EVER giving anything in return. Think about it!

I like my S4 but for now I consider moving to CM.

After that by by Samsung ... I need freedom and don't want to be bulled by any company!
[Galaxy S 4 General] toker_X1:
Samsung now thinks they are Apple. Locking down phones and charging high prices for accessories.

I brought a Note 3 and it's on ebay already. It's a pile of crap, it bye bye samsung for me to not just because locked bootloader but a combination of samsung restrictions plus bad build quality.

My research. ..

Samsung restrictions:

Locked bootloader

KNOX

SIM region lock

Build quality. ..

My back cover creaks already 5 weeks old.

External Speakers - embarrassing

Gap between screen and silver frame collecting dust.

Home button - is about to fall off.

Software - 4 updates already to fix bugs yet it still isn't much better.

KNOX does not avoid warranty here in the UK.

Samsung repair center said £29.99 for a software reset which will reset the KNOX counter also.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
That's exactly what i mean about recommendations we might a small percentage but through recommendations that percentage grows rapidly

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Even in china Samsung have tainted their name in major **** up's

Not bad for a company that wants to take over the world :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] szczeslaw:
And again everyone is b*****g about how bad Samsung is.

Please tell me HOW is this bootloader locked? There are more and more reports, that KNOX flag doesn't void your warranty after all (at least in most countries). And most of you at the same time claim, that they do not need KNOX software.

So: you don't loose your warranty, you still can flash custom roms, recoveries and root your device. Only thing you cannot use is KNOX software which, according to most of you, is not needed.

So i will repeat my question: how exactly is the bootloader locked, since you still can do almost everything with your phone?

And it seems the flag can be reset. For now only by Samsung service center as a paid service, but still. In some time we'll probably get our own tools to do that.

On the other hand some of you say, you'll switch to Sony or HTC. And those devices have truly locked bootloaders. Yes, you can unlock it for Sony, but this time you really loose your warranty.

Only FULLY unlocked devices now are Nexus series and chinese phones, and yet some of you still want to buy Sony, cause "Samsung locked bootloader".

To be honest i can't really understand it...

Some of you say it's about manufacturer supporting developers. Until now Samsung, more or less, supported developers, or at least didn't make things harder for them. For all i know Sony or HTC never did. On the contrary - they did everything to make things harder for developers.

So again - i can't undestand how one can choose i.e. Sony over Samsung now, using "locked" bootloader as a justification.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
We need Samsung to make a clear loud statement about KNOX flag and warranty ... until then it's just guesses and random statements from service centers :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S 4 General] JohnnyRebel:
Nice can anyone else confirm software reset including knox at a Samsung repair center for a fee?
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
UK is european Union, so you have your reseller warranty by law...
[Galaxy S 4 General] panosfast:
http://m.samsung.com/us/support/howtoguide/N0000006/13456/160966
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
[MENTION=4867332]panosfast[/MENTION]

this has nothing to do with knox flasg at all...
[Galaxy S 4 General] panosfast:
Maybe not

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2505274
[Galaxy S 4 General] IberianPrince:
Kingo Root App has released a revision on their website on what they think of Knox... Just added today.

I can't supply a link because I haven't contributed enough posts yet, but it's under their Support/FAQ

Sent from my Knox infested GT-I9505 :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Tried kingo.

It also installed cwm recovery.

Now i have 0:1 :mad:
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
when you install recovery it's your fault...
[Galaxy S 4 General] malybru:
Mod Edit

Thread cleaned.

Please, stay on topic.

malybru

Forum Moderator
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
[MENTION=329570]malybru[/MENTION] can yoou also clean a bit in Simplistic Note 2 topic? there is way too much waste in there...
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
It installed it on it's own.

(i wanted root just to change csc and get faster updates...)

I tried kingo bc I've read about people who reported success and and said their knox remained 0.

Now i see more people saying that kingo tripped their knox flag so I'd say it's not advisable to try this at home...
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
I used kingo and I have knox 0x0
[Galaxy S 4 General] nitrate:
You can't even choose whether to install CWM recovery or not. I tested the Kingo app on a S4 I9505. It just flashed the damn CWM recovery without even asking if it shall do so. So it's not a user fault at all!

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[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
as I said I used Kingo 1.1.1 and have root without problems...

and of course 0x0
[Galaxy S 4 General] Fornowagain:
http://www.kingoapp.com/help/samsung-knox-counter.htm
[Galaxy S 4 General] elburo:
I also heard about someone saying that knox can be reseted by samsung.

So it wont keep long until somebody develops sth to reset the flag.

And woh needs Knox?

Anybody ?

Me myself not.

Also read a german sent his device to samsung because of a water default and he had his knox on 0x1 and they repaired his phone. They didn 't even want him to pay sth.

So.

Don' t complain too early !!
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
man i dont want to sound like a smart ass but i believe you that the warranty center did not care about knox on 0x1 BUT i cant really believe samsung repaired your friends device wich was sent because of a water defect (!) withouth even wanting him to pay sth...

water damage is allways out of warranty so your whole story sounds a little bit hard to believe...:confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
indeed...
[Galaxy S 4 General] IberianPrince:
Well you're both right in a sense... I did a bit more reading and came across this on the website of Kingo Root App;
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
but why not warn the user before that
[Galaxy S 4 General] Swizzy88:
Can you confirm that somehow? I used to love trying out new roms before all this started...really dont want to lose my warranty for such an expensive device
[Galaxy S 4 General] toker_X1:
That's what they told me when I phoned them last but each time someone at samsung tell something different. I don't what to believe anymore.

One time the technician on the phone didn't even know what KNOX was.

Still a grey area until Samsung makes an announced.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mittaa:
Haven't seen a single proof of Service center resetting KNOX. Exchange of motherboard maybe, but not reset by software or JIG.

It also seems like different Service Centers act in different random ways.

Even if I didn't care about warranty, I'm not yet convinced that KNOX 0x1 dosn't have any effect on abilities to ROOT, flashing and recovery :confused:

Everybody is confused ... Still need a clear statement from Samsung regarding KNOX 0x1 and warranty.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ducy1:
So how many of you tried this KINGO root?

http://www.kingoapp.com/help/samsung-knox-counter.htm

Is it really safe and OK?

Is this only root and everything else stays stock?

Are there any problems, e.g. if I would need to flash stock rom again? Will it be stock without root?

Cheers
[Galaxy S 4 General] IberianPrince:
I think it's best to ask them questions directly, they're quite fast at emailing back. In fact, it was my email to them 4 days ago regarding KNOX that prompted them to put a notice up today about it, at least I'd like to think so lol.

Anyway, nothing is 100% safe, they say that themselves. But apparently they have a very high success rate... Although you should be aware that the 2nd method to root if the 1st fails will trip your Knox counter.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
There are many persons (inc. me) for which kingo did nothing but void the warranty.

It auto installed cwm recovery => knox 0:1.

Also i had to factory reset and flash another room bc my phone laggggged when asking for root.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Michal Z.:
Samsung support seems like they really doesn't care. I emailed them yesterday (Samsung Poland) and I still don't have any response. I also emailed US support.

I'm curious if they (samsung support) or anyone else could turn my S4 in to S4 Google Edition. I already know that there are different bootloaders and something with partitions so I can't simply install GE ROM. I want to have SGS4GE with OTA updates. What do you think? Is this possible? I could even pay for this.

As I have read I can change bootloader, so why isn't there any way to change it to bootloader used by Google Edition?
[Galaxy S 4 General] kaalalto:
Until now, there is no way to flash the whole Samsung Edition ROM including bootloader. You know, we cannot even reflash previous versions of the bootloader. So you guess that we cannot flash the GE bootloader on standard i9505...for the moment !
[Galaxy S 4 General] Michal Z.:
Thanks, actually I'm getting in to this topic so I'm sorry for stupid questions :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] valentinrascu:
I use this metod. Is ok. No counter on knox. Device personalised.

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[Galaxy S 4 General] darkrevlis:
i can't root with kingo-root method in my gt-i9505. why?
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Try vroot
[Galaxy S 4 General] silentscreamer:
:eek:Is Kingo root 'Knox' save?

Usually i only trust ChainFire :sly:

:thumbup: Xiaomi Mi3 :D

... Thank you [MENTION=381438]samsung[/MENTION], but your competitors can do it better.

My S4 brings me no joy since Knox.:thumbdown: so goodbye S4, hello Mi3:p