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[Galaxy S 4 General] Riskytwin:
I bought my phone 2 week ago. The very first dat, I updated the original 4.2.2 firmware to the last with knox, after reading all the pros and cons, whay the hell, I dared root it and got 0x1 flag.

Yesterday I installed via Odin latest 4.3 DBT from Germany and rooted it again. Everything works ok. All user apps (+160) I had in 4.2.2 work, no factory reset, no issues, no knox advices. All is ok apart from the f***ing 0x1 flag.

If someone could solve the knox flag it would be great!

If it's not possible, I don't really care much about. I don't like those changes in Samsung policy but all other companies are doing the same...

I have all the galaxy collection S, S2, S3 and S4, and never gonna buy and iphone even though Samsung f**k us the same way apple do.

Good night all!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Ensifolk:
Feels sorry to read such news, as I have ditched Samsung a long while ago and moved on to the real android world : Nexus Devices.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
That's exactly what I'm doing from now on

First they go on about tizen

Then all this knox crap and now to cap it all off they are on about putting id chips in their accessories so you have to buy Samsung stuff

Without the id chip cheaper stuff will not work
[Galaxy S 4 General] kaalalto:
I totally agree with you. This (KNOXED) i9505 will certainly be my last Sammy phone because when I chosed Android, I chosed freedom first and now, Sammy is about to make our devices more restrictive...

The only thing I'll miss when switching to a Nexus :

AMOLED display

External SD card

Well let's speak again about KNOX again... :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
and even when you switch to SXZ or whatnot, even with microSD you wont have App2SD...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mack_75:
Sammy will become Apple 2.0? What sh..t is this? I can't believe, so i'm thinking to say "bye bye sammy" too, i'm not interested in a closed system:eek:
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
The last straw for me was knox but then locking accessories down with an id chip is suicide

Sammy have gotten to big for their boots i will never buy another Samsung product and will never recommend them either
[Galaxy S 4 General] Bessagabriel:
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[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
but the chip in Samsung producs is also a bit resonable numerous 3rd party USB cables, AC adapters and whatnot can burn without problems and therefore harm the lives of people, what dou you want more die because of 3rd party products or rather spend 20€ more???
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
I'm not saying that there are plenty of decent priced accessories without having to pay Samsung bloated prices (which are extortionate as it is )
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
sometimes Simply waiting can kill off the prices like the S4 S-View Cover for 10€

http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00BTCPHHY

or directly from Amazon for 26€

but I admit that the price for the N3 S-View Cover is over with 54 or 69 Euro for the normal and the inductive S-View N3 Cover...
[Galaxy S 4 General] HardXcore1203:
KWV 0x1

I have read thousands of posts on different feeds, but have never found

my problem so please help me.

The deal is:

If updated my GT-I9505 via Odin with the the MJ5 Official Rom.

After that I installed the Samsung Knox and used it for a while.

Then I rooted my cell via CF-Autoroot, that turned my KWV flag to 0x1.

Know I can't access Knox anymore.

Is there any way to fix it?

Thanks for your support. (:
[Galaxy S 4 General] JaCh0o:
Propably you havent ready any post at all l, becouse you should know then its not possible by know and current state of your phone warranty is PERMANENTLY voided. People are working as far as i know it is possible to unblock SELinux but still no possibility to turn 0x1 into 0x0.

I have same problem... still waiting. Samsung KNOX is pretty young subject so lets have a hope that someone will brake it.

Wysłane z mojego GT-I9505 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Galaxy S 4 General] somator:
it is not voided avvording to polish samsung as they spokesman told me

as for reverting it, if it is efus it will be unchangeable
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
No. For now, that is a permanent change. Just uninstall KNOX and get over it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Blezz:
Maybe it's time to start a petition and show it to Google if enough sign.

Let's quote googles description of android:

Source

Samsung is kicking this openness directly into its face.

I doubt Google will care about it, still, we are many.

And maybe we won't stay unseen.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
Samsung has sold over 40 MILLION Galaxy S4 worldwide. That is not to mention all the other new devices that also feature KNOX, such as the Note 3, S4 Zoom, and so on.

How many XDA users are active in the S4 section? 100? 200? ok, 1,000? That is not nearly enough to make Samsung give a rats ass about it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Blezz:
So what?

Remain silent, let them do whatever they want and let every new Samsung phone be locked down?

Only because people stay silent and accept the things as they are such things are possible.

Knox is already at the S4 and Note 3, followed by the S3 and Note 2.

More and more people will get into this problem.

Of course, you can say now "nah f**k Samsung, i'm going to buy a Nexus", but what's the point at it?

Except the system the Samsung phones are great.

So there are 3 things possible now:

* Wait if someone bypasses Knox, which I doubt cause it's on the closed source bootloader

* Change phone and pray that Samsung may change his mind some day

* Show Samsung that there are still people caring about it.

Although Samsung won't care.

Google maybe will, because it are their words that the system is open.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tos69400:
I'm with you testadefreddo.
[Galaxy S 4 General] atilla88:
+1 for a petition
[Galaxy S 4 General] Tanis64:
No, and officially there will never a way to bypass this, cause KNOX is for business / enterprise use.

If you can bypass this then the security aspect of KNOX is broken.

There maybe a unofficial way by bypassing or faking the KNOX Warranty Void Flag but this will need a hacked bootloader so far as I understood the system. Kernel sources for 4.3 released now, but I don't know if this will be enough for such a hack. Also who has knowledge enough to do so.

Hope you have no information on the KNOX container that you have no where else.

I fully agreed that the way Samsung brings this to customers is a absolute no go. No Information, no documentation, no way back and the biggest mess for a customer NO Choice.

Regards
[Galaxy S 4 General] ghost02:
I'm currently using a i9500 on 4.2.2 omega, once they release a 4.3 version you say that will be safe to flash. Why is that, what do they do to make it safe, will it still be safe going back to 4.2.2 again after that if needed to send in for warranty?

Thanks
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
I alone have sold more then 10 samsung phones and tabs with my good words about samdung. Many of us also have done more or less the same. Samsung as grown with good devices like gti9000 and gti 9100. I remember showing my android (samdung devices) to apple fanboys and leaving they shamed with they apple things. Android is costumised, open and free os. If we protest toghether in forums to google to samdung and others maube we can see some good news. Today i sent my faulty s4 (screen membrame issues and some bad lack on the sides) to warranty. My device is 0x1 and i told the story about warranty voidance yo the seller and explained clearly with the law who s gone pay this if they refuse to repair my phone. They. Its clearly on the portuguese law. First six months its even worser for them. Stays clearly that if a defect is shown in that time its without doubt a factory defect that the brand can t go around. So i m not affraid. Last but not least. I bought a new tab (3rd one, lol) want buy note 8. With this politic I made a unthinkable thing. My friends are saying I m gone mad... bought an Ipad!!!! Samdung never again... thank you.
[Galaxy S 4 General] leeomendes:
When you flash a custom rom, most of the time you're flashing the system only with apps... sometimes with kernel too, but NEVER with bootloader. This knox-crap-feature is inside the bootloader so as long you don't change your old bootloader (assuming you still have it) to the new one, it will not affect you.
[Galaxy S 4 General] EmDzei:
KNOX stuff?

I have written already twice to asking what apps stops working after this KNOX bit on. No answer.

But I think it is not only for Samsung KNOX apps. DRM needs secure. MHL to HDMI adapter, Miracast etc. needs secure line.

Someone, please. Open your knowledge and tell all information. Too much talking just rooting and custom ROMs.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hirodina:
I'm definitely in. I think there even might be problem of legality of implementing KNOX, because they've changed "behavior" of device AFTER signing contract and in EU that's reason to terminate contract. But I'm sure sammy got this checked with policy etc. But we are not so many on S4 thread...we need all people of XDA at least... Maybe Free software foundation Europe could help us, they got lawyers. For petition I could think of 4chan.
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
4chan is an imageboard, rather use avaaz or change.org or alike...
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Let's keep this simple. Samsung won't care less unless something huge is happening. Like all new phones will blow up which uses knoX. Then they might think of it and say Oh we have just updated the code so it won't explode

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy S 4 General] bofh999:
The Questions is is hte Know counter really Waranty Void.

Samsung never ever stated this. at least i was search for something like that and never stumbled over that.

I think the reason behind know is something different. a secure container, maybe even for corporate customers a security feature.

so samsung want establish a complete secure enviroment in a contianer.

well not a bad thing isnt it.

of course at the end it all comes toi the bootloader (remember uefi secure boot :))

reson why i dont really think its a evil thing is because they still allow unsecure boot while they could easily lock devices down to secureboot only.

so a hardwarebased counter even a fuse would be the only way to make shure a device is still safe while still alow others to themper with.

however its also very possible that samsung just wanna sell this as a security feature, never mention waranty void and then hammer down waranties.

well samsung arent good boys for shure, but beeing that stupid and loosing a hole dev coimmunity hmm i dont know , specially samsung waranty isnt essentially something you need that often (knock on wood :)) at least better than with apple

however its getting more and more difficult to flash and rebrand and root things, thats a very concerning trend.
[Galaxy S 4 General] hirodina:
It is image board of course, full of people... lot of people... so I meant it like we'll share it on 4chan and people will join. Because we need a lot of people

My concern is not about warranty, you are right that there is no official information about warranty. Problem is that even if we get warranty, we can't downgrade and modified system is unstable because of knox. They gave us no choice. Also it's first time in history of consumer grade device, they turned SELinux to enforcing.. at least I think. Knox in particular is good, they just should make it optional thing...let corporations flash this fw and leave normal costumers or LET them flash it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bofh999:
I agree that we would like having know as optional thing. but that wont work.

if its optional then you can bypass it, so no security check whatsoever would be 100% valid and corporations cant use them.

however know its optional, and the phone wont be unstable with a voided know counter.

btw HTC made a fuse to disable the hole phone if flashed wrong,.. so maybe this is a testdrive by samsung.

but even if not, even if samsung has only good things in mind NOW systems like this open a very dangerous door

noone knows what the next manager has in mind, or what happens if other vendors gonna follow

its like the uefi secure boot, the gosth we call (who called them anyway?) we might never get rif of again.

point is noone except us customers is interested in freedom. less freedom the better for any money making machine, at least that is what managers think.

alone the fact that a owner of a device isnt root by default is big BS,

smartphones are no stupid devices anymore with a very distinctive software, they are embedded computers with linux, we are the owner of the device (and many re even participant in linux development at all)

anyway, trying to unbrand, looks like i cant even flash a regular FW over a branded for for hutchinson, phone is brick ,.. grr its getting better and better
[Galaxy S 4 General] Obagleyfreer:
JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER: THIS IS A KNOX RESEARCH THREAD, Q+A ABOUT KNOX GO HERE:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2470635

:)
[Galaxy S 4 General] root-61:
This must be joke of samsung to customers.

Bootlaoder is not locked but ,if you using odin no warranty.

I swtich with LG G2.
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Nah that's not the issue :) the issue isn't the usage of odin the issue is that custom images can't be flash without triggering the flag ;)

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy S 4 General] fAZernERo:
I'm completely agree with you!

It's an absurdity that we can't do a FW downgrade without losing Knox and having a perpetual 0x1 (Void) of Know Warranty..

I have fallen into this incredible trap! :mad:
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
If i was you I'd forget about LG too they are bringing LG gate to their phones and by all accounts it's the same as Samsung's knox :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] x-developer:
Upgrading to 4.3 after the Knox flag was triggered

I couldn't find this information on the thread.

I have a i9505 running 4.2 with the Knox flag set to 0x1.

I read that there are issue using Odin once this flag is set.

Should I expect issues upgrading to 4.3 or it will work but I simply won't be able to use the Knox features?
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
The know kill should be the only problem...
[Galaxy S 4 General] x-developer:
What do you mean by "knox kill"? knox not functioning? Is there any app that should be killed for things (non-knox) to work?
[Galaxy S 4 General] clonednull:
Afaik you will not be able to downgrade a firmware now and you will also not be able to use any knox features.

When you want to update to 4.3 you will have to choose a knox free rom.

Oh and your warranty is "voided" if you see it from samsung.
[Galaxy S 4 General] kaalalto:
If Sammy cares really about enterprise's security, he could just made KNOX working when a specific ROM is flashed and not is a custom one is used. What I mean, if someone has played with CM and then he wants to use his GS4 with KNOX for BYOD matters, he can just reflash again the whole firmware including the bootloader...

I think Sammy wants just to avoid warranties with this stupid flag...

Time to Nexus...
[Galaxy S 4 General] galnet:
Here is Samsung UK’s official stand on the matter:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dear ******,

Thank you for contacting Samsung Customer Support.

I am very sorry to hear that you are not clear on our Warranty Terms. I fear that you are jumping to conclusions based on what you have read on the internet.

I can confirm that you have a Warranty on your S4 for 2 years from the date of purchase. This can only be made void only for the below reasons:

1) If there is any physical damage to the handset caused by the user.

2) If the device has been exposed to liquid

3) If the device has been rooted(by installing your own custom ROM)

If there are any issues with your handset that don’t fall into one of those categories above, you need not worry, especially from news received online, as this can be miss interpreted.

If there is anything else we can help with, please let us know.

Our Customer Support Team love feedback! Share your thoughts on this response by completing the survey at the bottom of this page.

Kind regards,

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Basically they are saying if your screen fails, then your still in warranty, if your battery plays up then again your in warranty, however if the phone should stop working due to rooting or flashing custom firmware and can be fixed by restoring official firmware they will charge you for the repair.

I hope this finally puts to rest everyone’s fears here in the UK.

Regards,
[Galaxy S 4 General] :
Basically that's wrong.

[True Friendship doesn't exist]
[Galaxy S 4 General] dazza7111:
I think samsung will lose xda customers because of this. Anyone want to swap s4 for htc one?
[Galaxy S 4 General] andr01d3:
I wonder if bootloader is updated only when you flash the firmware with Odin or if it's updated when flashing with CWM too...
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
I wll risk something next week !

I want to remove the aboot.mbn from MH8 And to flash it ... but ...
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kriomag:
try to remove also tz.mbn! on this file odin fails too when trying to downgrade to MGA.

Remove aboot.mbn + tz.mbn (i also suggest removing sbl1.mbn and persdata.img because those files do not exist in MGA package).
[Galaxy S 4 General] donalgodon:
Most of the custom ROMs don't have bootloaders included, so it's a safer solution. CWM can flash bootloaders, but it has to be included in the ROM.

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Samdung doesn't give a crap about its customers or XDA or the open source community. I was a fool for believing that the S4 with Qualcomm would be any different in the end than Exynos.

I'll be moving to Nexus 5 ASAP.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Kriomag:
if S4 had worse camera then i would too move to nexus or htc one.. but i need good camera. once i used xperias for best cameras.. but afer i saw Z how crappy camera it has i instantly buyed S4.
[Galaxy S 4 General] omniwolf:
Thanks for the informative thread.

I have a few questions that I don't see answered, hoping someone might know:

What are the consequences of having the KNOX warranty status set to 0x1? Does it affect any functionality in the phone?

How can you check your KNOX warranty status?

If you flash the new bootloader, and then flash back to an older ROM (but keep the new bootloader), will that work? If not, what happens?

If you have the new bootloader and new ROM running, is there anything you can't do (apart from go back to an earlier bootloader)? Or is the phone fully funcitonal and rootable etc like before?

I think it would be nice to have these questions answered in the OP so people can see what this is all about.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
1 and 2: just boot into download mode. You'll see there the KNOX counter below the usuals.

It does not affect in any way the phone's functionality, but if it is 0x1 you'll loose the warranty. Apparently for good.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Obagleyfreer:
*I flashed MH8 and have KNOX warranty status 0x1 as far as I'm concerned nothing has changed. I can root, flash custom firmware and kernels etc.

You just can't use stock Samsung kernels.

*check KNOX Warranty status in download mode.

*yes you can flash an older ROM fine after installing new bootloader, just not using Odin. You need custom recovery.

*I have new bootloader and MH8 firmware and my phone was/is perfectly functional and rooted. You just can't flash any stock roms via Odin anymore. Custom roms, kernels and recoveries still work great.

Pretty much by installing new bootloader and tripping the KNOX warranty flag you say goodbye to any Samsung warranty and also the use of Odin.

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Galaxy S 4 General] chickentuna:
I will try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge although I'm not using the MH8 firmware myself.

My answers are based from what I've gathered so far from the people who've upgraded to the newest firmware. Here goes:

1. It doesn't affect the functionality of the phone but you will void your warranty and as of the moment there is no way to bring it back. Unfortunately triangle away will not work. Using it on the new bootloader will surely brick your device. Some users reported to have lost the sounds but it seems that it's an isolated case

2. Reboot to download mode and you should see something like this:

ODIN MODE

PRODUCT NAME: GT-I9505

CURRENT BINARY: CUSTOM

SYSTEM STATUS: CUSTOM

KNOX KERNEL LOCK: 0X0

KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 0X1

CSB-CONFIG-LSB: 0X30

WRITE PROTECTION: Enable

As of this writing there is currently no way to reset the KNOX WARRANTY VOID. Sending the device for repairs at this state will surely void your warranty.

3. It will work. You could probably still use odin but you will need to extract the tar file and remove the bootloader then repack or you could just download/make a flashable ROM zip then flash via custom recovery.

4. Users reported to have problems with apps requiring root although I believe it has been resolved via the new cf-root update by Chainfire. Lastly you may need to flash a custom kernel as the stock that comes with MH8 has the SE Linux set as Enforcing which messes with some apps.

I may have missed something so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
[Galaxy S 4 General] dazza7111:
Just checked I have knox 0x0 although need a magnifying glass nearly.

I updated on first day it was out through kies.

Now I have Custom? not sure why 64gb card?

could not go to a 16gb phone now (nexus 5)
[Galaxy S 4 General] DjeMBeY:
I think we must fight for our rights. It clearly state that is KNOX WARRANTY VOID so it means that your device can't use KNOX SOFTWARE anymore and have nothing to do with (faulty) HARDWARE.... They will simply use WARRANTY VOID if that was the case.... (IMHO) ;)
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
We are to small for them :) we need to find our way out !
[Galaxy S 4 General] joecool666:
FORTE KNOX i think its says it all. for now anyway.
[Galaxy S 4 General] A.S._id:
So I looked bootloader aboot.mbn and found this string

0003:E990 | 4B 4E 4F 58 20 4B 45 52 | KNOX KER
0003:E9A0 | 4E 45 4C 20 4C 4F 43 4B 3A 20 30 78 25 78 00 00 | NEL LOCK: 0x%x..
0003:E9B0 | 4B 4E 4F 58 20 57 41 52 52 41 4E 54 59 20 56 4F | KNOX WARRANTY VO
0003:E9C0 | 49 44 3A 20 30 78 25 78 | ID: 0x%x

How to can we see after simbols 0x should sign of the variable %

I thought, if this to change on 0 , may be into odin mode will be show 0 too?
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Grate ! I will look tomorrow to see if i can delete this row and to flash it on my Non-Knox Bootloader
[Galaxy S 4 General] febanovsky:
Finger crossed :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] donalgodon:
In my download screen, after having flashed MH1 via Odin (didn't know that MH1 had the Knox issue, or I'd have stayed away) I get this:

ODIN MODE

PRODUCT NAME: GT-I9505

CURRENT BINARY: CUSTOM

SYSTEM STATUS: CUSTOM

CSB-CONFIG-LSB: 0X30

WRITE PROTECTION: Enable

There's no KNOX WARRANTY or KERNEL LOCK line at all. I'm confused. I thought that MH1 and above would have a line saying either KNOX WARRANTY: 0X0 or KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 0X1 but is this not the case?

:confused:
[Galaxy S 4 General] spinky360:
Form where you download ? Because maybe was removed aboot.mbn from it

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I have very low connection. Can someone upload the aboot.mbn from MH8 ? Thank you
[Galaxy S 4 General] donalgodon:
I don't think so. I used the stock I9505XXUBMGA_I9505OXXBMH1_I9505XXUBMGA_HOME.tar and flashed it via Odin. I never went beyond MH1, other than a "Knox Free" MH8 that I flashed via CWM.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Simonetti2011:
that goes to show how ignorant Samsung's Customer Service is.

Rooting and installing a custom ROM are as related as a Canadian donkey's arse and a Chinese pig's nose.

Here's the Catch-22 that works in our favor: what if my phone is rooted BUT with a stock ROM? :confused:

Samsung has been quite disappointing lately.
[Galaxy S 4 General] galnet:
I think you have miss understood what they have said.

If the root "IS NOT" the cause for the hardware failure, then your Warranty is still valid.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chubby65:
Disappointing is an understatement mate