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[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
First of all that is a directive not a law!

http://ec.europa.eu/eu_law/introduction/what_directive_en.htm

Second, I'll just quote myself..

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46563794&postcount=4

"What law are you talking about man?

I don't know of such a law..

If you are talking about that EU directive from 1999 (which must be implemented by each EU state in it's own judicial system).. that is way too broad to stick it to a repair center.

And anyway, even if to follow your understanding of that law, once you root the device, etc, meaning an unauthorized intervention! you give birth to a simple presumption that it's your fault and so the need to bring proofs moves onto your shoulders.

(this would be the best case, as this could also lead to an absolute presumption that is your fault, absolute presumption which doesn't admit any contrary proof)

So, once you root, etc. and your device develop a sw problem which might even have repercussions on the hw (screen, soc, motherboard, etc.) you! will have to prove that's it's not your fault! but somebody else's! (manufacturing defect maybe). And this probably in court because no service manager will stay to listen your whining and will void your warranty in the next second "for unauthorized software intervention".

//Let's be honest, how many cases of voided warranties because of rooting etc. do you know? And not just from Samsung, but from HTC, Sony, etc. also? This was, is, and probably will be the common practice.

(why do we used triangle away? Now we have another flag/counter that can't be reseted.)"

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=48565701&postcount=1500

"There's no law saying rooting is legal and should not void warranty.

You probably heard this mumbo-jumbo on the Internet.. It's all based on a loose interpretation of a EU Directive from 1999 !! which was already too general and which as a directive was to be implemented by each state in it's own judicial system.

And that each law must be interpretated in that each country in a way which would imply rooting and custom OSs for mobile phones/etc are okey and will not void the hardware warranty.

It's a new territory, a new subject and as such it doesn't have it's own legal support.

Until now I haven't heard about any specific regulations about this matter across EU.

I've heard about cases (2-3) won in court! (much money, good lawyers, open minded judges) on this very matter but don't get your hopes up, this is nothing. Hadn't gained any traction.

This must be changed and for this reason I proposed a public petition which with the help of mass-media could get the attention it deserves and eventually will change this."
[Galaxy S 4 General] A|ex:
This is not valid for this case, as there is a explicit warranty flag in the bootloader, this is how HTC / Samsung are bypassing that law. Previously BEFORE they implemented knox you were fine.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Tell you 2 or 3 things that you're not taking account.

In older EU countrys where the directive is long adopted and inserted in national laws one of the points clearly states.

"If a defect is shown on the first 6 months it's clearly a manufacturing fault so the end user doesn't to proof nothing. After that the user must to proof that is the fault from the manufacturer. "

This is very arguable.

Other point is you can't read the terms and conditions when phone is in the box. And this is very important. Because if you disagree with the terms and conditions that are only to see on the phone when you turn it on (unboxed) you can't return it because phone is used.

Other point and very important one. You can consider (hard to proof) that Knox and other similar things can be considered a privacy violation by manufacturer.

In my country I've discussed this with samsung while my Samsung (rooted molded and knox 1x0) when I've send it to warranty and they repaired my phone for free. My provider, was also warned before I send it to repair and agree with the law.

On end effect warranty isn't between you and Samsung. But between you and the seller. This is called compulsory warranty.

That's where warranty directive comes in and the manufacturers can't do anything.

Cheers
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Ok, I have 5 minutes..

Discussing on your post:

1st paragraph incorrect.

Art. 5(3) from the directive: "Unless proved otherwise, any lack of conformity which becomes apparent within six months of delivery of the goods shall be presumed to have existed at the time of delivery unless this presumption is incompatible with the nature of the goods or the nature of the lack of conformity."

More than this, just common sense says your logic in invalid.

2nd paragraph is invalid.

Any party is allowed to denounce the contract in a given prescription time invoking an essential element (considered so by that party) which if it had been known at the time of concluding the contract that party would have not agreed to.

3rd paragraph is invalid.

Knox has nothing to do with invading your privacy as it is recognized and protected by the law.

On the contrary, it allows, if you want! greater security for your privacy.

______________________________

Please stop if you don't have a law background, and/or something new to say about this backed by clear laws or court decisions. You're just spreading false hopes.

I too had my phone repaired even with knox 0x1, custom status, and even custom recovery. Had nothing to do with what you said.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Sorry pal. This was a lawyer interpretation in my country. Where the directive applies the way I wrote. And it was not a ordinary lawyer. It was one from Vodafone. So get a bit more legal background before saying nonsense.
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
I just logically deconstructed your whole (weak, illogical, in the end plain wrong) argumentation and I am talking nonsense? :rolleyes: :sly:

Because I have faith in humanity, please read again, slowly, while comparing with the (wrong) things you've said.

Also, I'll tell you a secret, there are only 2 ways of interpreting the law:

- authentic - by the organism which edicted it

- judicial - by the court which have to apply it

The interpretation given to the law by lawyers, professors, writers, strangers on the Internet is unofficial and has no intrinsic power in front of a court.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
Where do you stay? In the middle?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nessuno78:
sorry was on holydays wil bring it in @ the end of this week.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mulletmeister:
I wonder if Samsung 'borrowed' this whole thing from Microsoft? By a new PC now and you are effectively running a locked bootloader! Microsoft did, eventually, issue signed certificates to Ubuntu but the fun and games I came across when trying to install it was a bit of a faff

I mentioned in another thread that the 'implied' warranty invalidation related to the knox secure system, but then they include an efuse which means you effectively damage your phones hardware! Very underhanded.
[Galaxy S 4 General] testadeferro:
The Linux foundation has a charge against Microsoft in Europe for that.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Mulletmeister:
Good stuff. Hopefully Linux will get this resolved. My new office PC just won't allow me to install anything linux at the moment. I need to do some more digging about that, and learn about this secure boot that we have been inflicted with!

As to why I bought it up in a knox thread??? Well, I thought android was 'open source'. We have all these developers like cyanogen, who are widely touted as a force to be reckoned with, by us and those in the android world, who offer a system that allows so much more than what manufacturers 'think' we need, and they drop this dirty trick on us! Hence the comparison between Microsoft and Linux.

As far as I am concerned the knox 0x1 should only apply, as mentioned in Samsung statements, to the knox security system. Unless you are a complete idiot, who turns everything up to 11, you would have a hard time 'damaging' a phone's hardware using something like CM11 or X-Note etc...

Then what happens if I want to run Ubuntu.....Has anyone tried that yet?
[Galaxy S 4 General] miguelonch10:
I think thst you can do whatever you want with your phone, like I do. But Samsung and companies in general have to prevent themselves from not official OS that could make yor phonr a lovely brick, then they could have to pay the price of the replacement or SAT costs because of your fault. I think they don't have whole reason, but they are nearby it

Enviado desde mi GT-I9505 mediante Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 4 General] dpeddi:
I9505XXUFNB8 comes with new bootloader (sbl1+sbl2+sbl3+aboot)

in tz.mbn they removed :

hdmi_enable = %d

hdmi_sense = %d

hdcp_auth = %d

in aboot.mbn there is a new message:

"DOWNLOAD IS BLOCKED BY CC MODE"

"Custom binary blocked by CC Mode"

NON-HLOS.bin:

more files then I9505XXUEMJ7 they added:

keymaste.b00

keymaste.b01

keymaste.b02

keymaste.b03

keymaste.mdt

skmm_ta.b00

skmm_ta.b01

skmm_ta.b02

skmm_ta.b03

skmm_ta.mdt

wcnss.b00

wcnss.b01

wcnss.b02

wcnss.b04

wcnss.b05

wcnss.mdt
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
Well, I must say that I also couldn't reset nor the binary counter not the custom system status with triangle away...
[Galaxy S 4 General] My1xT:
for custom status you have wanam xposed.
[Galaxy S 4 General] emilcioran99:
For me, the Triagle Away app works ok: reset the custom to official and the binary to 0.

But after using the app, it messed my bluetooth connection.

The phone connects and disconnects from every 10 sec for 3-4 times and after that it stays disconnected and can't connect at all.

Tryed 4 times and same thing.

Now I reflash the firmware after a full clean and didn't used the Triangle Away and the bluetooth works ok since 4 days ago. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] bungadudu:
On official 4.4.2? Hmm...
[Galaxy S 4 General] emilcioran99:
Yes, on XXUFNB8 DBT.

I didn't flashed at all the leaked versions.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nessuno78:
Deffo gonna pass by 2morrow 100% sure since my note is charging like crap atm

So hopefully we will have some info soon.
[Galaxy S 4 General] muamers:
I suppose i can write here about knox even i am not anymore S4 user :)

I swapped my S4 I9505 for a note3 (snapdragon too) because i had this issue with the battery swelling.

Anyway, just after i leave the store where i buy the Note3, the phone stated "SIM CARD REMOVED The mobile network will be unavailable until you restart with valid SIM card inserted." and i had to reboot.

After 10 minutes it happened again.

1. I thought a software update would be the answer. I came home and updated to latest official 4.4.2 OTA. It dint help.

2. So i took the google help and found many saying that i have to remove and insert the SIM again. Didnt help.

3. I searched again and found someone stating that i have to replace my SIM card, and i did. Didnt help.

4. And again, search. I found again that rooting the phone will help and i did. Didnt help again. And guess what? ---> 0x1

5. The last thing that i found was that some people get rid of the problem just by swapping the phone for a brand-new one.

So after i tested all the software options that i had i brought the phone to the seller just after 2 days.

He told me that the update caused it and i told him that this is not possible because i had the same problem with JB 4.3 (the software that was on it just after i buy it). He told me: "No, sure not. It was because the update" (almost saying me that im lying ... WTF) ... i told him "So you tell me a company like Samsung would give an update that would cause such troubles to the end user? Samsung would make his own phones unusable.

Anyway, after some negotiations and testings he took my phone and will send it to the Official Samsung retailer here in Bosnia (BTW, i am from Bosnia ... nice to meet you :D ) and gave me a replacement till Samsung fix this.

Now waiting. I hope i will not have problems because the KNOX counter 0x1 :( The problem was there just after i leave the store, but how to prove it. Just my wife saw it with the problems before the KNOX trigger. And who would believe me.

Lets hope the best :fingers-crossed:

Will report after i have new information (or my phone back fixed).
[Galaxy S 4 General] rodriqud:
I had the exact same problem on my S4 while running a I9505 ROM before Knox began. Apparently it happens to a lot of people, sometimes its just a bad SIM (if you goto the store they'll probably swap it out for you right on the git go.) The other "solution" was people putting some paper between the Sim card and the top of the insert in an effort to keep the Sim always in contact with the reader. (An unacceptable solution since we have 2 year warranties on the hardware) I ended up going back to stock (yay at&t crappy touchwiz now with Knox!) Anyways, the phone had to go back to Samsung and was ultimately replaced. Sometimes there's a closer facility you can swap the hardware in my case they sent me a new phone and I sent mine back. My Knox counter was never reset however. So be wary. I would throw a fit and said a CSR at the store mentioned about downgrading to a previous version of android without Knox, and you tried that. (That also sets the flag if I'm not mistaken) and its not your fault. Obviously its a hardware issue and rooted or not Samsung should fix it

On topic. I'm ready to unlock my gs4 because touch wiz sucks. I'm somewhat of a noob when it comes to extreme technical stuff but if someone wants to work with me I don't mind donating my time and phone to trying to get rid of the Knox reset counter.

Phone: AT&T Galaxy S4

Version: 4.4.2

Baseband: I337UCUFNB1

Build: KOT49H.I337UCUFNB1

Kernel: 3.4.0-505585
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nessuno78:
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(Btw I have A Note2 GT-N7100)

My phone was dead due to a misflash with kies :P nice excuse to visit them.

Went to the servicecenter and they just flashed my phone had a talk with the techguy there.

He told me that Knox is a real pain in the but,and that they are still waiting to obtain software (or whats neded )by samsung to fix it.

My Knox is still flagged.... they could not fix it.

But i did manage to find out what software they use.

*info from the tech guy*

They are not allowed to use Odin anymore and received new software.

I bet thats the software ppl are talking about wich can reset knox.

The new program they use is called:

Samsung SMART

(Samsung Mobile (Automatic\ Authorised ) Recovery Tool) (not sure about the A forgot what he said :P )

U cant use this software unless u have a valid Login code / licence from samsung.

(Again this is what the tech told me)

The program reads out your phone (type and serial) (now this scares me who knows what they send to samsung about Knox status)

And automaticly downloads and flashes the correct software on your phone.

My phone had 4.3 xxeumk9 and now it has xxeumj9

They did not open my phone just turned it on and connected it to usb and reflashed it with this new software.

The tech guy was pretty friendly and it did not look like he wanted to screw me over or what ever (he seem sincere)

My next step is to send my phone in for repairs @ a real samsung service point but thats gonna take like 1,5 month til i get my S5.

After that i will repost if they fixed the Knox flag or not.

Cheers Ness
[Galaxy S 4 General] muamers:
I know its not my fault nor the fault of rooting, but will Samsung know that, thats the question that will be answered soon :) Anyway, in the warranty of the store i buyed it there wasnt any statement about rooting, so i think i am safe. But i live in Bosnia, the law here isnt taken seriously after the war.

Does anyone know how long it takes Samsung to send some feedback on the replacement/fixing ?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Guiry:
Knox

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I did it too and didn't work, it's still as 0x1, even so it has changed ''System to Oficial''.

I really wish to find how to set it to 0x0.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nessuno78:
Side note,

Since my knox was not reset i decided to toy a bit more with my phone.

It took me ages to get stuf flashed with Odin it failed 24x out 25times (Dr Ketans multitool)

Same goes for Kies it would fire up the emergency repair modus but when it neded to start the flash it would stop with an error that it could not find the phone.

I finaly managed to restore my phone true kies by toying with the battery (in out in out in out) until if seen the blue bar appear.

after it was done if flashed DrKetans multitool true odin.

Odin problems.

with the battery in its not detected by odin.

When i remove the battery it is (rly odd)

Than when you try to flash a stock rom it failed everytime at the point where it starts to flash the hiden partition.

So im not sure what / how they flashed or what they did with my phone but i deffo not liking it.
[Galaxy S 4 General] RuggedHunter:
I'm not sure of the relevance, but someone in a note 3 is saying they reset Knox, linking a factory restore method. For sure, I have no idea...so if this is completely useless I apologize and will clean this post.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2671643

:beer:

i337 MDL > MF3 > MK2 > SafeRoot > SafeStrap 3.71 > HyperDrive 12 > Mods-Note 3 Launcher 4x5/Dark Multi-window Bar/Fold Animations
[Galaxy S 4 General] aayushkhajuria2842:
Does knox warranty effects a user in anyway who does nt want to use knox
[Galaxy S 4 General] Spere:
No.

But you'll lose warranty and you aren't never again (or at least for now) able to use Knox without changing MB
[Galaxy S 4 General] latouffe:
Yep im following also this thread. Maybe it will help the 9505. It would be awesome.
[Galaxy S 4 General] genetichazzard:
So I managed to trip KNOX on my i9500 after flashing stock FNB3 via ODIN. It obviously contained the new boot-loader.

There have been a few reports on local forums of guys in South Africa sending their S4's into Samsung for ADH repair with KNOX tripped, without Samsung saying a word about the KNOX flag, and still repairing their devices under warranty.

Although this gives me some peace of mind, I just wish I could remove the flag somehow... :(
[Galaxy S 4 General] nfribeiro:
Here's some Information about Smart software. Personally, I found difficult the possibility of resetting Knox but I can be wrong.

http://www.tinhte.vn/attachments/eng-smart-user-manual-manager-_ver-5-0-pdf.577999
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nessuno78:
Thats indeed the software they used!
[Galaxy S 4 General] viktorak:
This link is currently down,guys.:mad:

Is it a coincidence?
[Galaxy S 4 General] tom_car:
How can that be possible? Tripping KNOX just by flashing a stock rom via ODIN?
[Galaxy S 4 General] derHass:
name that software!

According to the "User-Guide for Managers" (PDF-File) the software seems to be called "Samsung Multiple Automatic Re-flash Tool".

Funny thing: on page 21 it in the Q&A part i read:

What to make of it? If i root or flash Cyanogen Mod (or similar roms) SMART will not be able to make it stock again?

I am confused... or you could say conefused...
[Galaxy S 4 General] genetichazzard:
Yes. Any 4.3 or later stock ROM contains the KNOX bootloader which will trip the KNOX flag.
[Galaxy S 4 General] ph.miki:
I downloaded the (Samsung Multiple Automatic Re-flash Tool-PDF file). But when I can download this program?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Braulio00:
Anyone try this? its says that reset the flag only the GT I9500.

GT-I9500 Set Warranty BIT to "0" .....Solution Inside - First ih the World

Hi Guys

After few try playing for reset warranty counter ,i found solution

Here is manual:

I did test in few phone,Some phone need Step 1~5....Some Phone No Need.

1-Connect I9500 by direct eMMC

2-Dowanload attachment and extract it

3-Select "Movinand Format" and let finish

4-Try Resize Boot Partition,Set as Default "4MB"

5-Try Resize RMPB ,Set as Default "512kb"

6-Select Rom2 and Write "I9500_Rom2_Alive_BN.bin"....,Wait For Finish

7-Select Rom3 and Write "I9500_Rom3_Alive_BN.bin"....,Wait For Finish

8-Select Rom1 and Write "I9500_Rom1_Alive_BN.bin"....,Wait For Finish

Now,Use USB+Jig For Force Start DL-Mode,,,

WOW You Can See "WARRANTY BIT 0 "

Last Step is Flashing Phone Via "I9500XXUEMJ5" Firmware

Enjoy...

Please Note:

1-All Dump Based on version 4.3 and Firmware "I9500XXUEMJ5_I9500ODDEMJ5_I9500DDUEMJ5_ODD"

2-All your data going to format(take backup if you need)

3-you lost own IMEI and You have to use "SUPER-IMEI" if you don't have EFS Backup Completely

http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f67...bit-0-solution-inside-first-ih-world-1776265/
[Galaxy S 4 General] XERW:
Just adding some info here, but a local Samsung service (Bali, Indonesia - SE Asia) center told me that they'll check the KNOX warranty status to determine whether the phone is eligible for warranty-covered service or not.

I Know that we won't expect any warranty at all when we rooted/modded our device, but I find it quite peculiar that the same condition (supposedly) didn't appear in the States.
[Galaxy S 4 General] spambayes:
This is a common experience. Consumer rights are frequently much better protected in the U.S. than in many other countries where local policies would be seen to be gross infringements of such rights by Americans.
[Galaxy S 4 General] tom_car:
I know all 4.3 and 4.4 stock ROMs have the KNOX bootloader. And I know that you get the 0x1 flag when rooting or flashing a custom recovery.

But getting 0x1 just by flashing stock ROM via ODIN?
[Galaxy S 4 General] lzk123:
Isn't this SMART software available on those publicly-available samsung laptops in the service centre?:eek: The laptops are free for people to use if they want to upgrade firmware.

That's what I saw when I went to the service centre. There are quite a few laptops that have programs preinstalled that allows customers to upgrade their phone's firmware by themselves.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BurlaMatto:
It would be nice to have a working way to reset knox bit on 4.4.2 rom!
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nessuno78:
This software is useless unless u have a valid login from samsung.

It connects to their server and validates the acc.

Than u get acces to the good stuf.

Wil see whats up next time when i visit the service center again.

(might take a while doh) since the s5 is not being released til 11th of april.
[Galaxy S 4 General] BurlaMatto:
So with the engineering bootloader you can reset knox bit to 0? Hope it'll be for gt-i9505 too
[Galaxy S 4 General] Nessuno78:
take it from here :D

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19866242/(ENG)SMART User Manual (Manager)_ver 5.0.pdf

<--- If u dl it pls press Thanks :D
[Galaxy S 4 General] aayushkhajuria2842:
Can anybody try this ??he is saying it is working I dont have my phn with me to test it http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2677538
[Galaxy S 4 General] dafonehacker:
This still doesn't change knox back to 0x0. If it even works, it just changed the system status back to official.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn GT-I9505 met Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 4 General] Braccoz:
nvm this post.

btw, people that says they got knox flag resetted by repair centers have snapdragon or exynos devices?
[Galaxy S 4 General] Byteater:
I've read somewhere that if it's not blown, efuse can be reprogrammed infinitely. So why don't we blow it while it's set on 0 value?

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[Galaxy S 4 General] Braccoz:
because in order to do that you need to know which one it is and have access to it... which are the same things needed to reset it (in case it's not blown)