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[Nexus 5 General] eksasol:
No one talks about the elephant in the room. I really strongly believe not including SD card has a lot to do with Microsoft patent, though this is not proven. However, you can look at history such as the TomTom case as well as many Android manufacturers having to pay royalty to Microsoft, Microsoft makes more money through Android than their Windows Phone platform, these are facts.

Secondly, Nexus devices have something called full storage encryption, having a removable SD card formatted in FAT32 unencrypted defeats the purpose. Both of these needs to be addressed before you can wish for a microSD in a Nexus.

For now, if you want a decent stock Android device with microSD and removable battery, you'll have to get a Galaxy S4 or Korean version of LG G2 and install AOSP to it.

The main solution to all this is simply for Google to make a device with 64gb or more, they just won't because of the cloud Google services.
[Nexus 5 General] M3drvr:
Yes I know cameras use them. But the high end cameras also use CF Cards. Which they actually prefer you to use. Until recently with Toshiba, SD cards were slow. Yes I know they can be fast and what not. I didn't use cheap cards either, but they still failed and got slower and slower over time. Really slow. There are just better ways now of storage. And the bottom line is, nexus devices aren't going to have SD cards in them. It's annoying people constantly wishing it with every new nexus device coming out when it's been made clear it's not going to happen.

BTW, I'm not a guy as you can see...
[Nexus 5 General] IRX120:
Personally I can't stand the plastic backs of phones like the gs4 and gnex, but if its a nice smooth back like the n7 II then I'd go for it, the glass back is such a premium feel to it, and aluminum is the best in my opinion

Sent from my Nexus 4 [NEO@1.836 GHz] on [PSX v6.0 4.3.1]
[Nexus 5 General] tlopez1973:
I'll upgrade depending on price because I traded my nexus 4 for a t-mobile s4 plus $50 and will definitely jump ship to n5 cause I miss my clean stock android
[Nexus 5 General] Mach3.2:
I'm not wishing for a sdcard slot, just saying it's not slow.

BTW point taken.

Beamed from my Maguro
[Nexus 5 General] MarcSinger:
Why do you have a pear for the iPhone instead of an apple?
[Nexus 5 General] Up_In_Space:
I'll upgrade but not this year because i've bought Nexus 4 for 2 weeks from now ^-^
[Nexus 5 General] sysak:
If they price it the same as the N4 when it came out, I'm taking it straight away. What i expect the most is LTE, good camera quality and larger battery, and we'll probably get all of these fetures. Although if they increase the price significantly I'm happy enough to stick to the N4, since it's a pretty good piece of hardware.
[Nexus 5 General] Toddler91:
Depends on the kind of leap that nexus 5 takes over nexus 4 :confused:
[Nexus 5 General] odoneout:
Not me. I intend to keep my N4 until at least around this time next year. It doesn't feel outdated yet or like it's starting to lag. I also don't want a bigger screen, the N4 is as big as I feel comfortable with for a phone and even then it took me ages to get used to the size. I switched to using pie controls because the navbar is uncomfortable for me to use one handed. I just can't justify spending out another couple of hundred pounds for a replacement phone when there's nothing wrong with my current one. Hopefully by next year there will be some good alternatives.
[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
Am I the only one who's not a fan of cloud storage for all media(music, videos, docs,etc)? I prefer having everything locally, especially HD movies that are over 1gb. Not everyone in the world has unlimited bandwidth and super fast 100mbps up/DL. This is why it's unfair to assume cloud streaming is convenient for everyone.
[Nexus 5 General] bozzykid:
You are also assuming most people are storing full length HD movies on their phone. I don't think that is the case for 99% of people. It certainly is an issue dealing with bandwidth caps but most content can be cached on wifi on the device itself. If you need to store large video content, I just don't think the Nexus is for you. Google is artificially limiting the memory in Nexus phones to keep them cheap and to push their cloud services. There's no doubt about that.
[Nexus 5 General] Johmama:
That is a good point, but for me, I don't need a lot of internal storage. With all the flashing I do, it would be a hassle to maintain my local media files, so I don't usually store any. Plus, if I'm not at home in my Wifi, I'm at work, and while at work, I stream Pandora because it doesn't use much data and I like the radio-like feel of hearing different music.

If I'm not at home or at work, in a place that doesn't have Wifi, I'm usually only on my phone is 5-10 minutes intervals, so I'm usually just browsing forums like this one or looking random things up on Wikipedia or whatever. Heck, I bought a 32gb Nexus 7 and I'm not using very much of the storage at all. Now, I'm not saying that I'm right and you're wrong and you need to change your usage and shift your media to the clouds. I'm just saying that I don't need very much local storage. I can see why some people would want it though. Heck, if I was out of Wifi long enough to want to watch a show, I could see myself wishing I had more internal storage so I could carry a few shows with me instead of having to stream it off of Netflix or whatever. I just never am.
[Nexus 5 General] robin216:
at the moment im using the htc one s and felt in love with the nexus4 just when it was released, but i wasnt able to afford it.. im really looking forward to the nexus 5 and hope that it will be as awesome as the nexus 4! and when the white nex5 will be released im going to get it for sure!
[Nexus 5 General] iPathik:
I'm sticking to the N4 this time around because there is no update factor for me.

I've owned the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus and they both had huge upgrade points

Nexus S -> Galaxy Nexus: GN had a better camera that could shoot 720P and it also had an HD screen and a dual core processor with 1GB ram which made me switch

Galaxy Nexus --> Nexus 4: Nexus 4 had an amazing build quality with a top of the line snapdragon s4pro quad core cpu, 2GB of ram, better camera and bigger battery

Nexus 4 --> Nexus 5: Only upgrade we're getting is a battery that is 200 MaH higher. MAYBE a better camera....not enough and ground breaking for me to switch!

maybe the next Nexus after the N5 will have a 64-bit processor with 4GB of ram and maybe another ground breaking new sensor or chip like the moto x voice processing chip, then i will make the switch.
[Nexus 5 General] Goku80:
I'm with you on that one. I love my phone to much to buy the new nexus
[Nexus 5 General] Geeba:
Gesssss I only got my Nexus 4 a week ago! - they're on special offer in the UK...

I came from an HD2, which even thou it was running the same software the speed jump is amazing for me....
[Nexus 5 General] rayiskon:
F* the next nexus, give us KK already !

Btw guys, did you notice the new gmail update with card UI conversations?

Everything is shaping well for a new UI in 4.4 :)
[Nexus 5 General] nexuses:
probably not, for many reasons like :

1- N4 is more beautiful than N5.! (if what we saw in leaked photos is true)

2- length of screen ( 4.7 the best for me).

3- N4 is still strong and fast.

4- we will update to kitkat when it released, so why? (unlike other devices).

5. I have a lot of accessories for it :D

6. screen resolution is fair & enough.

that's all ;)
[Nexus 5 General] Molitro:
You really prefer a 4.7 than a 5 in an actually smaller phone?

This isn't a "3.5"/4" are the best because my iphone is like that" stance?

I'm jumping in the N5 train the first day if I can, but I come from a GNex, not a N4.
[Nexus 5 General] Thank Me Later:
I don't keep many movies on my phone anymore, I use to. But I do keep videos of my kids on my phone. When I first loaded my content on my Nexus 4 I had about 4GB left of memory. This is without any apps downloaded. I had to delete a bunch of videos to make more space. So I feel you about the memory. I have a lot of pictures as well. Not much music but some. If they made a 32GB or 64GB variant of the Nexus, I'd choose either of those over a 16GB. It just feels good to have everything quick & handy on the phone.
[Nexus 5 General] Swords.Grizzlebee:
Would love to upgrade, but for the sake of my wallet I'm going to use my Nexus 4 until I break it. Which of course, is only a matter of time. I am perfectly happy with the performance of the Nexus 4 though. Maybe a generation or two from now I'll feel differently.
[Nexus 5 General] lwfb:
A snapdragon 800 SoC, 802.11ac support, better camera, better screen with higher resolution, multi-band LTE support, plus whatever goodies we don't know about yet, all in a smaller overall package.

Yeah, not much of an upgrade at all...
[Nexus 5 General] Mach3.2:
That is what people used to say in the gnex forum before the n4 came out, they claim that it's not much of an upgrade, lmao..
[Nexus 5 General] lwfb:
I was being sarcastic.

Of course it's a huge upgrade, that's why I pointed out a few reasons why it is.

The user I quoted doesn't seem to think so though...
[Nexus 5 General] galaxys:
Exactly my take, prefer the 5" on a newer smaller device with a better camera! My Google Wallet is ready and can't wait for official release & price info!!

Most XDA Nexus addicts will upgrade.
[Nexus 5 General] nexuses:
I also have iPhone 4s, but the screen there is simply sucks! even you can't print comfortably on it, especially after ios 7..

please go to some pages back in this thread and you'll see the most people saying the same like me..
[Nexus 5 General] mattdm:
The camera will be radically better, if it's the same as the G2. And coming from H+, LTE is quite an upgrade. Couple that with the possibility of 32GB storage space and an IR blaster...
[Nexus 5 General] Dark Emotion:
Not me, N5 will be too big for my hands, in my country it will be 2-3 times more expensive etc. N4 gives me everything I need, it is smooth and beautiful phone.
[Nexus 5 General] richteralan:
I'll wait for N4 (2014).
[Nexus 5 General] Goku80:
i am going to buy 7....one for each day of the week:D

but on a serious note i will probably wait..just got my one like few months back and i absolutely love it..got an upgrade in April so will just wait to be honest
[Nexus 5 General] drpepe:
I bought the nexus 4 within a month of its release. It is a great phone overall, but the major problem is the pants camera. Very annoying that my wife's iPhone can take decent quality pics on the fly, whilst mine are largely blurry crap unless extremely well lit.

Difficult for me to justify another new phone in less than a year. I will be waiting to see how users assess the camera on the new device in the real world before committing...
[Nexus 5 General] failly:
I won't, the N4 fits my needs perfectly!
[Nexus 5 General] LarsPT:
I also agree that 4.7" is as big as I'm gonna go for a phone, so if N5 comes in the 5"+ range like suspected, I'm not gonna get one! :( :p
[Nexus 5 General] ben83s:
I know where assuming a few things. Presonally with no information, I'm kinda expecting it around the 300ish mark

One for you and one for ebay :P

Very interesting, I hadn't thought of that :)
[Nexus 5 General] jcnbama:
I'm gonna sell my Nexus 4 and get an Experia Z1.... :what: don't look at me like that.. Lol
[Nexus 5 General] junglebungle:
100% yes I will be getting it as soon as its launched.
[Nexus 5 General] BoneXDA:
Really depends on the selling point of my 5-day device, if I can sell it at buying price or a little more here where nexus devices are unavailable, the cheaper version, hopefully starting at 16gb and original price will be a sure get. More than anything the ois camera sensor, possibly an Exmor rs makes it a very good deal.
[Nexus 5 General] marklar666:
Why do people need removable battery is beyond me. I used to have an iphone and never needed such feature. I moved to SGS3, it has removable battery, but it is only useful when this crappy phone stuck in a boot loop. Yesterday I bought Nexus 4 and I am glad that battery is not removable. Designers were forced to put a simcard into a tray and I don't have to dismantle whole phone to change damn simcard :). Well done LG! Keep going and don't listen to nyyankees1237 ;).
[Nexus 5 General] -A-P-M-:
I will for sure, because currently I don't have a Nexus and I can't wait to get one again.
[Nexus 5 General] 22sl22:
I won't be upgrading. I only got my nexus in March and based on current rumors and things, it will only have a 2300mah battery, way too small. If LG can fit 3000mah in their G2, why not for the nexus? If motorolla can cram even bigger batteries into their phones, why can't we have it for the nexus? A micro sd slot would also be a nice addition
[Nexus 5 General] jadeisjaded:
Nope, I want to wait at least another year before upgrading. I don't really see the point of upgrading until it's a major upgrade.
[Nexus 5 General] kurtyyyyyy:
Im keeping my eye on it, but wont buy it until ive seen several hands on reviews
[Nexus 5 General] kjfan985:
I just got the N4 Im going to stick with this for awhile
[Nexus 5 General] eksasol:
I just got my N4 and loving it, I'll get the N5 when the price go down or if it's cheap on release maybe.

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[Nexus 5 General] nyyankees1237:
Ok just take one small fraction of my whole post and be completely ignorant about what I said. If you read my whole post the general feeling is that I love my N4 and even said it has great battery life, all I said was a remove able battery would be nice for extended batteries and such. I'm completely fine with the fact that phones now a days have non removable backs but it is one of those things I wish the industry hasn't made so standard.
[Nexus 5 General] El Daddy:
I'll be buying it the minute it's released.
[Nexus 5 General] jadeisjaded:
Being an apologist won't help anything. The Nexus 4 is a great phone, yeah, but it's not perfect. It has its flaws, just like every other phone out there.

I would love for the Nexus 4 to have a removable battery and a microsd slot, but even without those two I enjoy the device and love it. I still won't pretend the device is perfect, however.
[Nexus 5 General] DXM31:
If the N5 is available with CDMA I will be all over it. If it gets the cool features of the Moto X... bonus
[Nexus 5 General] Traviizter:
Let's not forget the amazing new screen (which will be bigger, 1080p and better colours) and no more glass back, although it was really nice it's more likely to break. Should be great upgrade!
[Nexus 5 General] iPathik:
Honestly tho, the N4 could handle anything that gets thrown at it for another year hands down. The specs arent so bad that you would have to upgrade. The N4 has been out for a year and its still more smooth than the S4 and HTC One. When the G-nex came out, I knew that the Nexus S would not last as long because of the direction google was going in with Android. Yes, the 4.1 upgrade did make life better on the G-Nex but N4 was a worthy upgrade because I was living under this fear that google might not support it for the next release of android. With KitKat google is looking into supporting low-end devices so N4 will stay relevant for a while. Google is going to take a new direction with Android and I think N4 has the specs to last another year.
[Nexus 5 General] mihkohuy:
At least the nexus 5 should have 3000 mah battery life,,,,,,, and lte support
[Nexus 5 General] icemasta31:
My plan wasn't to upgrade on launch but to buy the N5 during the end of life sale. That being said knowing me I'll probably buy it on launch as long as it is the same or cheaper price than the N4s launch price.
[Nexus 5 General] alpha-niner64:
I'd rather pay more if I know I'll get better build quality. The screen sensitivity for the N4 was unacceptable as well as the less-than-stellar battery life. As nice as the N4 was: compromises were made to keep the price point low. I wouldn't pay $600-$700 for the N5 but I would be skeptic to pay $300 again and expect better build quality. That's unreasonable.
[Nexus 5 General] lwfb:
All valid points.

Although my Galaxy Nexus on 4.3 is running much better than I expected it would.

I'm not arguing that the Nexus 4 isn't a highly capable device, because it is and I've enjoyed mine since November '12. That sentiment won't change after I've upgraded to the newest Nexus. There's no doubt that 4.4 will make it even better for those that decide to stick with it for another year.

My point is that this new Nexus IS a substantial upgrade to the Nexus 4 based on hardware alone, assuming the hardware is what we know already based on the FCC leaks.

The S800 is better than the S4 Pro. That's a fact, not my opinion.

802.11ac is superior to 802.11n, according to the IEEE. That's a fact also.

A 5" 1080p display is (on paper) better than a 4.7" 720p display. The G2 has received good reviews on the screen, but so did the Optimus G and the Nexus 4 wasn't calibrated quite the same. We'll just have to see on this one. They did a great job updating the Nexus 7, so I have high expectations.

Multiple band LTE support. 'Nuff said.

A 13Mpx camera is subjective. A lot determines camera quality, so no one can definitively say the camera is better just yet based on that alone. Thankfully, the bar isn't set very high with the Nexus 4.

Battery life is also subjective, YMMV. Initial reviews of the S800 have shown improvements though. Also, my Nexus 7 would have to argue that a higher resolution screen and a smaller battery can actually out-perform it's older brother (I own the '12 and '13). I'd expect no less from the successor to the Nexus 4.

The SoC alone is enough to warrant it being a substantial upgrade. Anyone saying it's not an upgrade though is either technologically challenged or delusional. Just like next year's model will be technologically superior to this year's model.
[Nexus 5 General] AntonJart:
LG - Never Again!

My Nexus 4 from day one had numerous issues: 1) Overheating; 2) Creaking USB port; 3) Creaking chassis; 4) bad Gorilla Glass screen, where it got scratched mysteriously even though I was babying it. Now, as for conclusion, it got cracked in my pocked. Digitizer is dead as well as glass. Repair is expansive. Not worth the trouble. I am jumping LG ship for once and for all.
[Nexus 5 General] jibbzy:
No but only because I love my Nexus 4 and it still works great.

Nexus 6... yes most likely :)
[Nexus 5 General] icemasta31:
So would I but I guess where I'm getting at is the impulsiveness of a cheap price point. If it's considerably more expensive than the $350, then I'll wait.

That being said, my N4 has been much more solid (build quality, battery, and LCD to name a few) than my GN yet cost me much less.
[Nexus 5 General] hicks12:
Not sure really... the screen sensitivity was fixed in android 4.3 for the majority and if you wanted to improve it further you could just install the old touch drivers which I used and they were brilliant, version 15 or something :).

Great build quality here, better than others especially my friends Samsung so I am not sure what you want improved? its subsidized by Google so really not many cuts were made bar the camera which I agree is only okay.

Better build quality this time round as it should use plastic... hopefully quality type :D.
[Nexus 5 General] md1008:
I understand unless demand for SD card is really high it won't be included by Google and many other OEMS. However my opinion is don't like em don't use em. Look at the note 3 has only 32/64 options available yet still includes SD card. My opinion is that the Google argument was valid however with what Samsung did with the s3+ their argument no longer seems valid as Samsung and other OEMS found the solution to the problem. Cloud is great if you have fast data and its unlimited unfortunately not everyone has both or either for that matter. I burned through 15gb of data using Google play music and Pandora with driving a lot and working. I would be bummed if I wasn't on unlimited plan.

About switching was dead set on getting the note 3 but with my financial situation may either buy used note 2(again) or buy nexus 5 or stick with gnex
[Nexus 5 General] Ajfink:
I have LTE on T-Mobile, so that one otherwise killer feature is irrelevant. The Nexus 4 will keep getting the latest updates, it's still fast as hell, I'm not running out of space, the screen is still pretty nice (in my opinion). It's still a fast quad core with 2GB of RAM. I'm happy with the build quality.

Unless I have money burning a hole in my pocket....I doubt it. We'll see.
[Nexus 5 General] 433Mhz:
Maybe if they sell for around 330.

My major issue is that I have to use a case. I have 2 scratches from wearing it in my pocket for the first week after getting it. The case helps but the phone is too big.

The camera really is only mediocre, the HDR feature does help a lot, though. Been able to take better pictures of the sunset than a 300€ camera that doesn't have the feature.

8GB of storage is not enough (for me, I tought it would be enough). The cloud is not usable if you only have 200mb/month data and travel abroad a lot.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
An 8GB phone should not even be made anymore and I am shocked they made a N4 with it. With that you only get 4-5GB if you are lucky that is actually usable. With no expandable storage and networks tiered data plans now people do not want to have to use the cloud or because of their data plan cannot even afford to use the cloud.

Google and all these other companies should be offering expandable memory or larger built in memory. It almost seems like network providers are paying these companies to give less memory and force users to spend more money on higher data plans. What other reason would there be to not offer better memory options. I am sure Google folks are more then well aware that unlimited data is over except on Sprint, which they don't even have an N4 on or maybe T-Mo, which you most likely won't have coverage to even use the cloud. lol
[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
There is a lot more to it than that.

It's that it's a mess. Users don't watch the bothered with moving apps to SD card and losing widgets. Then switching SD cards ( as they are often marketed as the intended use) and breaking all the apps on it. The pain of moving things around with a file Explorer. Then people breaking the hardware itself

The SD cards are essentially mp3 / and video storage holders. Most stock cameras don't even give you the option to have the files go to the SD card.

The entire thing is a flat out user experience nightmare for the vast majority of users out there. Samsung solution is a mess. The solution is to just get rid of SD cards period and a decent on board storage options.
[Nexus 5 General] M3drvr:
Personally I'm glad they made an 8gb model. That's what I ended getting. I don't need onboard storage at all. I sure hope there is an 8gb model again due to the price point it hits. And I think a lot of people feel the same since when the price drop came, the 8gb sold out before the 16GB model.

I've actually seen quite a few floating around where I live. People aren't bothered by it as they stream everything. They put these phones on unlimited plans and stream. I think that's kind of the intent Google is reaching for. Hence why they're also trying to build there own internet network as well and get hotspots up with that network.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
I would like to see Google price the 16gb version where the 8gb would be. How much more can 8gb really cost.

I am also sure a lot of people who bought the 8gb version because of the price will be upset when they run out of room quicker then they were expecting.
[Nexus 5 General] M3drvr:
Well I agree that if the 16 were priced like the 8 i wouldn't complain either with extra storage. I've actually asked the several I've seen about what they think of only 8gb and they say they don't even care. They don't put anything on the device either.