yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
If people chose to load roms into stock slot...it went against what the OP set up with maintaining a safe zone....most of us followed the intent of safestrap. I wish I could help. ..but I would have advised against loading to stock slot.

safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] roote223:
What do the kernels do and how do they differ? Sorry for being a noob.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tmillz:
New to the Verizon Galaxy S4

Hi everyone, I just switched to this phone from the Sprint Galaxy Nexus. I have a few questions about Safestrap and My options for Roms. First, thank you for this nice bootloader with multiple slots, very cool.

My questions are:

1. Can I install AOSP roms to the stock slot like I would with any other ROM? (I know I cant install them in the 1-2 Slots)

2. Is there a way to unlock the bootloader so that I can without permanently flagging the phone as being tampered with.?

3. If I use another way to unlock, cant I go back to stock with oden? Thanks
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
read some posts, the questions have been answered countless times
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sahively:
I'm thinking a lot of these Xda members also like to race to the end of a merging lane and cut in front of all those drivers waiting patiently.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
10 minutes of parsing thru 2 or 3 of the S4 forums answers like 95% of the questions....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] adavit:
My best guess would be to try using Odin to get back to stock, reroot, install safestrap and try again. That's what I've done the last 2 times since upgrading to mj7 and having problems on my first install.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tshelby73:
One thing that might help is most the stickies are out of date and don't reflect the new firmwares. I came from Galaxy nexus and it had very good support and stickies on how to do things. I do agree when people ask questions about something that is clearly listed in op. It can be hard to search some post that are thousands of posts long. I am in no way defending anyone but having different firmwares with different rules on flashing gets confusing for someone coming from an unlocked device like Galaxy nexus where you flash whatever you want the same way regardless of firmware. On another note some are just ignorant and don't read.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] stuckintheskull:
No aosp, no bootloader unlock. Just touchwiz for now. Welcome to verizon.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tmillz:
hmm ok, Thank you for the warm welcome everyone :eek: in my defense, I don't think I'm ignorant. I've taught myslef how to compile roms, port roms, and develops apps all by reading and searching the internet. I'm reluctant to do the whole trial and error because I just switched to verizon and I don't know what their rules or security software tells them... Also I have 2 young kids... so yea reading for an hour and still having questions, multiple OTAs, made me want to do something I usually don't do, post a question.. I understand your frustration and next time I will look a little harder. Sorry I missed those bits of info in the OP. HAPPY NEW YEAR! :good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tshelby73:
I wasn't trying to insult anyone was just trying to explain that what seems like a simple solution to one may not to another.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
We all go thru this....just saying too many jump before they look. Cause themselves a lot of headaches. Why I say read read read

safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] spc_hicks09:
It could be possible eventually. With Safestrap on the RAZR, you were able to have a stock Blur based ROM on the stock side and just about any AOSP based build in a ROM Slot.

Read the reply below. You cannot run 2 recoveries at the same time.

You cannot run Safestrap plus TWRP at the same time without possibly bricking your phone. You can only run 1 recovery at a time.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshw0000:
Actually, I am. I have an older version (personal preference) of TWRP installed and the SS TWRP. If I reboot recovery, I go to TWRP. Upon reboot to system, I can go to SS if I hit menu. In SS, I can reboot to TWRP by hitting reboot recovery. They work fine together.

SS seems safe for us MDK guys as well. I haven't tested yet but I believe a TWRP would back up all of my slots. I.e. if I had multiple roms SS'ed, then flashed a new rom in TWRP, they'd all be gone. Restoring the backup should restore them all. Again, this is theoretical and I could be completely wrong. I'm just thinking out loud. However, I can imagine the backup might fail in TWRP. And I'm not sure if SS backups would play nicely with TWRP. So much unknown, lol.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dinc2010:
This is my first time using safestrap and am a bit confuse with how this work

My questions are:

1) once I create a rom slot, do I need to do the usual wipes before I flash a rom?

2) after flashing a rom, do I need to flash a special kernel or am I all set?

3) what size of slot do you recommend?

I tried to flash the Aroma Rom in one slot and the phone dialer wasnt working.

I tried to flash ChameleonOS and it didnt boot. Wondering if some Roms are compatibles and others aren't?

Thanks in advance!!!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
SS hijacks your normal boot process... I.E. It's installed on the system partition. It does not overwrite recovery because on a locked phone that's not technically possible. Twrp overwrites recovery (using the loki exploit on mdk phones). SS and twrp will coexist and not interfere with one another.

Carved in blood by a wakizashi...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
Since ss is twrp based, do you know if it uses the same fstab for partition info? Because if it uses a fixed one I could see there being problems with using both. Not likely to happen though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
That I don't know. Hashcode may have to weigh in on that. But what I'm thinking is if you use twrp only for the real partitions (system, kernel, etc) and SS only for the virtual you should be fine. So someone on mdk that wants to use an AOSP rom in ss should be able to flash a kernel in twrp, boot into ss, and flash aosp to a slot. This is only necessary until kexec is worked out, of course, but could be a neat trick.

Carved in blood by a wakizashi...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mxgregg:
Anybody using Hyperdrive that can let me know if all the change options are available when installing using Safestrap?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Tool Belt:
Installing as we speak and all options seem present.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
I haven't seen an update in the changelog yet on this feature but has the "Install" option been updated to allow flashing zips to the stock ROM as of yet? Or only flashes to the "additional" ROM slots still?

Just wondering if we can use Safestrap to flash zip file mods again (Google Wallet and such).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Roland_D:
From what I understand it's possible to flash zips to the stock partition as long as they are for ME7... Flashing MDK zips WILL soft brick you forcing you to Odin clean...

So experiment at your own risk is the bottom line
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] anthony92170:
yes you can i started a thread with all mods that can be flash on stock or any rom that works. and you can remove wifi it has to be me7 build. check out my post in themes and apps
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hashcode:
Please do not flash ROMs to the stock partition. Currently, there is no block from flashing kernels over your stock kernel if the stock slot is active (when flashing to rom slots the boot partition is protected). So if the .zip has a boot.img in it you're probably hosed and will need to ODIN restore. I'm looking at solutions to allow stock kernel flashing for those on MDK (or an option to enable it), but protect by default those who are locked.

Mods are probably safe to flash to stock but you'll want to do the research first to make sure you're flashing something compatible w/ ME7, etc.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hashcode:
I also want to give a small shout out to those users who donated over the last week.

I normally don't post who donated and how much in my threads as it can lead to a sense of "Asking for Donations" / "Money Grubbing" and I certainly don't do that.

So a simple "THANK YOU :)" will have to suffice. I'll try and write a small note to each of you so that you know I received it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Inigo Montoya:
A simple "thank you" to you Hash is not enough! Great work and you should get some portion of that bounty. Who cares about specifics!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mxgregg:
Thank you for all your hard work for us guys who like to modify their phones but don't have the skills to do what you do!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] roboots21:
Just wondering, even if we were to flash something with a stock TW kernel, it would still be hosed? I was just thinking about this and wondering that any things such as Aroma installers where you can select stock Kernel, if they would (just in case someone wanted to try for the heck of it) work in the actual system partition.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Addiso:
SS isn't installed as a recovery, it's just virtually booted. That's why I asked the question about having a rom slot and custom rom as your "stock" rom. But I installed it and I can boot into original twrp and then ss.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Roland_D:
The problem is that even if you use twrp too flash kernels and stuff (always and only on your main partition) and sstwrp to flash ROM's on your virtual partitions you would still need to have 1 kernel that can be shared by all your ROM's... Correct me if I'm wrong...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Easton999GS:
Actually you can.... Im doing it right now. I have 2 twrps, One is safestrap one is real recovery partition. I flash stock rom with real recovery and rom slots with safestrap. Im on MDL Baseband AT&T Galaxy S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Addiso:
Yeah that's what I'm guessing but gna give it a go when I get the chance and flash a rom and see.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shindiggity:
There will always be Jack Asses that are just waiting for a question like yours so they can jump on it with a smart ass comment. Instead of just answering the question or just moving on they feel the need to be negative. You know the saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say, shut your pie hole"..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tmillz:
Let's move on. I'd like my time with my new phone and xda to be pleasant. :) I know no one meant any disrespect. Thanks again to everyone helping make this phone even better.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
Has nothing to do with being a smart ass...95% of the questions have been answered dozens of times...and obvious the posters didn't take even 10 minutes to look....it's in their best interest to read and research....

safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rahb0sse:
Works like a champ, thank you.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sahively:
This "jackass" believes that an hour of reading is not nearly enough. Watch the forums for a few days before trying anything. If we just answer the simple questions, noobs tend to jump in headlong and fowl everything up. Each device is so different from others that previous knowledge really doesn't help. And I have smalls kids as well.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] will4958:
Veteran Android rooter, new Samsung Galaxy S4 user

As my title states, I am familiar with rooting Android devices. However, my last two phones were both Droids and my first one was the granddaddy of them all, the G1. Rooting my S4 was a more-or-less simple task, but once I came across this S4 forum I got a little stumped. Does it matter whether one clicks on the Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development link or the Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4 Original Android Development link? I just want to make sure I don't bork my new shiny phone with the wrong ROM:laugh: While I'm here, does anyone have any suggestions on which wireless tether type app works well with the stock rooted ROM? FoxFi is nice and all, but it's to limited with the having to reconnect whenever I reach it's 500 meg limit.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] fillyo:
Yes, every little detail matters on your S4. This thing is locked down. You need to know what build # you are on. Only MDK can use custom recovery. MI1, MJ7 & MK2 can all be rooted, but must run a certain version of safestrap and can only run one or two ROMS. I don't think anyone stayed on MI1 since there is almost nothing for it. If you are on MJ7 or MK2, you can root, use safestrap and run Hypedrive, that is basically your only option. You need to understand safestrap, watch a YouTube video on it. I am rooted on MK2, there is a native tether hack, and I am debloated and thats it. I have not taken the safestrap plunge yet, not sure if I will.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] will4958:
Thanks for the reply. I'm running the MK2 version and have Safe Strap 3.71 installed and set up. I can use Safe Strap just like on my Bionic, so I've so far been able to back up my stock ROM and even tried installing a custom Liquid ROM which didn't boot but I think that was because I may have installed it on the wrong slot. As for the native tether hack, I think I found something for it or similar, but could you provide details for the one you're currently using? Was it a simple process, and if so could you provide instructions?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] yergo88:
I agree with Shindiggity, a lot of posts are absolutely useless, either answer the question or don't answer at all. Seriously the biggest problem with this forum is neutral comments that have nothing to do with the question asked, but a passive aggressive smart-alec response that's absolutely irreverent. I feel badly just replying lol, I already regret it
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] michaelg117:
I say this because MIUI will NOT run on SS because of the kernel requirements from what I understand..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] stuckintheskull:
You can't flash any AOSP roms only touchwiz based.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] fillyo:
Tether, it's in the Themes & Apps section:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2453092

Of course you are bootlooping on Liquid, it won't work on MK2. You can only run a TW ROM, again, only Hyperdrive really works, unless something has changed in the last few days.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shindiggity:
Anyone know where my space has gone? When I click on Misc I can't find that big chunk of space being used.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Tada10:
Can I use this with MK2 and load up KitKat? :)

Sent from my Galaxy S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
what makes you think that? Did you read it somewhere here?

---------- Post added at 03:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:39 PM ----------

load up diskusage app, gives better info
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Alkah0liK:
A good chunk should be at the top listed as system memory when you click misc. Any rom, or multiple i suspect, as well as preloaded applications (and their data) will chew up that space without you "seeing" the big chunks.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shindiggity:
How do I delete the backup in the stock slot? I only see an option to delete slot one.

I noticed my backups are saving to my sd card not internal, is that ok?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Rick299:
That's OK and u can delete backups under restore.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shindiggity:
Can we restore a backup that we backed up in slot one to the stock slot?

---------- Post added at 03:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:16 PM ----------

Ok last question, can I use a backup I did in slot one and restore it to stock slot? As long as I wipe everything.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DevilDog512:
No I said I have hyperdrive from Verizon on my att. But I don't see why you couldn't do it. I think as long as the rom is mk2 based it'll work. I could be wrong tho.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shindiggity:
Just wondering why when I re-boot up in safe slot it says SS is disabled?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
You shouldn't say some other roms are working with SS if you don't have first hand knowledge. ..my son almost loaded up death stalker and I said hold on now...my understanding that there are kernel differences between provider phones even though they may have same nomenclature...

safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven

---------- Post added at 06:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:36 PM ----------

Cross posting...I answered in Hyperdrive thread

safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DevilDog512:
No you should read the forum and know what you're doing. You just need the modules. You can't flash kernels or we wouldn't be talking. If you load it on rom slot 1 in safe strap 3.70 or higher and it doesn't work big fn deal. You be put back into safestrap recovery where you'll be able to go back to your stock slot and a working phone. Which is why it's important not to flash a custom rom on stock slot. Tell your son to go for it and make sure you flash your Verizon modules directly after flashing the rom. Don't reboot before you do that. Should work fine. Oh, and configure your APN. Ok? Have a nice day!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
I'll take a pass.. When my son messes it up ..I'll have to fix it.

safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DevilDog512:
Because you don't need ss from stock slot. It's not important just don't flash custom rom on stock. Run out of storage then tuff. Erase some stuff. The people saying they are doing that are taking a chance but hopefully have enough knowledge to fix it. You don't so don't take a chance.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Gator Brah:
I flashed darthstalker on my MJ7 s4 no problem...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Zjunk:
Woot!

Nitro says he's got a SS version that's ready for testing.

Downloading now.

Download: http://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23269279319201477

Forum post from Nitro: http://www.elementalxdesigns.com/ec...-MDK-users-Progress-Build06-(12-23-13)/page33
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Swimboy46163:
What's new to this version any idea?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Zjunk:
I'm not sure what is new vs. other Eclipse roms feature wise, but none of the current builds are compatible with SS 3.71. With a real limited amount of safestrap TW based 4.3 roms working, I'm real excited about this. I think that for now, it'll be the closest we could get to AOSP / CM.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Swimboy46163:
Awesome! I'll have to check it out Monday when I get my s4 back from repairs
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Zjunk:
Damn -- I can't get the Eclipse rom to load. Installed on rom slot 1 along with MK2 modules, hung at splash screen (with the phone heating up real hot). Went back into recovery, rebuilt the rom slot, tried again, and still stuck on splash screen. If anybody has any success please post.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shindiggity:
Is everything with text messing working ok? I want to flash but want to make sure it's solid.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] pedal2themedal:
Just flashed att darthstalker and it works good. Has an ip service fc, but is a very nice rom
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
Glad to see this! Think I'll give it a try myself

Verizon Galaxy S4

SafeStrapped

Hyperdrive 12

Omega Rom

Sprint Galaxy S4

Philz Touch Recovery

Carbon 4.4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shindiggity:
Any idea what is causing it, I notice the thread doesn't get much support.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
Just booted into my stock slot ,for the second time since installing Omega on slot 2 and had System ui force close. Awesome. But I realize it's on me since I have HD12 on stock side.

Can someone who is more educated than me tell me what would cause that? ?

Everything was working prefect on Omega and HD12 prior to this. I can restore my backup of HD12 fine to stock slot which is great but jw why the FC? ?

Verizon Galaxy S4

SafeStrapped

Hyperdrive 12

Omega Rom

Sprint Galaxy S4

Philz Touch Recovery

Carbon 4.4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] gigilie:
can u restore prehyper backup to stock n put hyper on 2? otherwise maybe odin back to mj7 stock reroot, ss n then hyper on 1 keep stock as stock until kinks worked out? then u can get me and surges new omega18 vzw on too im sure it wont b long as quick as he works. yestrday he had already repackaged my rom into flashable zip.

DONT TRY NITROS NEW ROM IT DOESNT WORK AT ALL. MY 4.4 PORT ATTEMPTS COME CLOSER TO LOADING THAN THIS, SERIOUSLY, ITS JUST A BOOT ANIM LOOPING WASTE OF TIME AT THIS POINT BUT AT LEAST HE TRIED.

ILL GET MY FOXHOUND AND XNOTE3 PORTS UP HOPEFULLY BY SUN IF ANY TALENTED INDIVIDUALS R BORED AND WOULD BWILLING TO HELP TEST OR CAN DO SCRIPTING/AROMA FOR THEM PM ME DONT WANT TO PUT SURGE UNDER TOO MUCH HES DONE TOO MUCH ALREADY.

ALSO anyone see this? hoping the same type of workaround could b utilized to get us asop? again talking out ass but FINGERS FN CROSSED:

Locked Bootloader Xperia S and Want CM10? No Problem!

Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:00 pm by Will Verduzco

Difficulty:

2

Earlier today, we talked about a highly functional KitKat build for the Sony Xperia S created by XDA Recognized Developer RaymanFX and the OpenSEMC team. The release, which brings daily driver-status unofficial CM11 to the much loved Xperia S is perhaps the top choice for users looking for the latest and greatest software on their unlocked device.

But what about users who haven’t or can’t unlock their bootloaders? Well, that’s no longer an issue thanks to a ROM created by XDA Recognized Contributors djolivier, djolivier, and letama, and Recognized Developer atis112. The ROM is made possible thanks to a workaround developed by djolivier and letama, where a second ramdisk is loaded, from which CM is loaded and init is started again.

Letama explains the workaround best with the following:

Stock kernel is calling /system/bin/pre_hw_config.sh in its initramfs, we hijack the script to replace stock behavior to launch cm. To do that, I do it in two steps, first, pre_hw_config.sh will grab step2.sh and busybox from /system/bin, copy them to /tmp, relink busybox applets then launch step2.sh. Step2.sh will grab /system/bin/cm.tar, extract it to / then umount everything to start init again.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
[MENTION=3618916]gigilie[/MENTION]

I'll try doing that when I'm done plowing this snow storm!! Currently still on your omega rom .

Thanks for all you're work on this! !

And Thank you too [MENTION=4939386]Surge1223[/MENTION]

Verizon Galaxy S4

SafeStrapped

Hyperdrive 12

Omega Rom

Sprint Galaxy S4

Philz Touch Recovery

Carbon 4.4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
Heres the issue. Sbreens rom installs fine for most right? Its based on MJ7 and it flashes the MJ7 modules at the end of the aroma install. I figured that the way he set up his install script might be a factor in why it has such a high success rate. I used his script and tried to flash omega with it...no go (sticks on medallion) then stock root MK2 again no go.. (white vzw screen). But I can restore a back up of any rom even if I cant install it....so theres two things here tima and seandroid are making this a pain. I think the way back ups are made and restored is why omega is successful. Im bassically elimating variables. I have a couple ideas...ill report more results later. And yes im aware of the new selinux restrictions found in the ramdisk with 4.3 and seandroid enforcing being active.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nitroglycerine33:
You do realize it was a test build right? I do not post test builds on XDA because of feedback such as yours. So sorry I "wasted your time"... Perhaps it is a waste of my time to support Safestrap...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shindiggity:
Nitro don't let a few ruin it for all of us, we appreciate everything you do man!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Ignore the "critics" who clearly haven't a clue how much dedication it takes to do what you do and just know that MANY people appreciate your work. Thank you for what you do and the time you offer to the community.