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[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
He's right, they did. So did Sony. In Q2 2013 LG sold 12.1M (4M a month) smartphones and Sony sold 11.9M. LG has a very diverse portfolio and the smartphones they've been selling aren't flagships as their profit and margin are down on increased revenue and units sold. Sony's revenue and profit in mobile were both up meaning they're making their money at the high end. Here's HTC's performance in Q2 and their results (and projections) for Q3. Their August revenue was down 45% YOY and was worse than both they and analysts' had projected. HTC's now supposed to report a full year loss for 2013. They also laid off 20% of their U.S. staff today to save money. You can pretty much stick a fork in HTC; they're just about done. And all the action heroes in the world can’t save them.

Moral of the story? Having a unique and critically well reviewed device isn't enough to survive in smartphones. You also need to have a massive marketing budget, pay incentives to resellers and their staff to push your devices, and have a broad and wide distribution network. LG's total Q2 mobile

revenue

of $2.78B is less than Samsung's quarterly

profit

for mobile of $5.6B. That profit is what pays for the things mentioned above necessary to fuel success.

For some perspective, Samsung's expected to sell between 250-280M mobile devices in 2013. After being revised down due to the maturation of western markets the SGS4 is supposed to sell at an annualized rate of 6.7M a month. And that's just one Samsung device out of dozens.

Here's who sold what in Q2 2013...
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kEvinErd:
I share the same fears too. Note 2 was blazing fast out of the box while S4 was simply a disappointment. Hoping Note 3 would deliver, right out of the box.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
That's what you call interesting reviewssss?

I was being ironical (in case you didn't really get it)

Anyway I will wait for the real good "in-depth" reviews based on daily use , by some of the more reliable experts/users.

And I will be playing with phones myself in showrooms off course, and take my own conclusions anyway, since I am always careful with money and don't collect high-end phones (if I was rich)

Discussing stuff based only on specs on paper and on some useless benchmark comparisons, or based on different fanboys opinions, is not my cup of tea anyway

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Billy Madison:
No, not at all. It sold in much more units than one's in righter part of chart or lower part, like HTC One for example. It's pretty much BIG for such a niche device, not a flagship by any means. Of course its sold less than all the hyped SGS3, and for good marketing reason, success of SGS3 easily explainable in ongoing comments, it's advertising, marketing and bribes for sales stuff. Curruption it is named in Soviet Russia.

So, what bugs me is that always when someone start to compare objective merits like benchmarks, or display quality of some sorts of lgs products being it Nexus, Optimus, Pad or other series another one brings sales reports to topic and start to bash lg for not being able to bribe observers, journalists and sales well. Pity for those ppl who buys stuff not for it quality but for hype in press and for quantity of ads banners on every single internet page. You know, I use NoScript so ads do not influence me

Should we better discuss sales strategies and successes and losses in separate topic? And here discuss losings in benches and how 5% lower scores in Antutu affect real life performance?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
You aren't being a schmuck, but during the home screen scrolling, you don't see it being sluggish like the S4? I'm very familiar with samsung ui lag, and I see it in all the Note 3 videos that I've seen.

But honestly I'm not the one to judge. You all can do that and decide if the phone is for you. I will pass until samsung starts optimizing their software.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CLARiiON:
http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2456

^^ Link to discuss G2.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Billy Madison:
Than topic starter shouldn't mention G2 in the first post in the first place. And if members started bashing G2 and called it Samsung copycat we feel free to discuss it and express our opinions on that ground. Is it that America the country of free speech? Or anybody out of Sammy camp is deprived of this right?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
That's kind of a funny statement. The HTC One wasn't a niche phone; it was their bread-and-butter phone and meant to be their salvation. The G2 will most likely perform similarly in terms of overall sales. LG isn't regarded as a premium phone vendor; especially outside the U.S. and it's going to be tough to get people to pay LG the same (or similar) prices when they could have a Samsung or Apple device. The latter two, due to the marketing you referenced, are considered status and premium brands.

You're also misreading the graph. It represents smartphones in use by Device ID worldwide over a month long period. It was from about two months after the SGS4 launched in April. Nexus is a blip in the sea of smartphones in people's hands that chart represents.

If your supposition is true, until key Samsung executives are arrested, it kind of sucks to be Sony, LG, or Motorola. Because HTC's decline accelerating precipitously after launching the best phone they've ever built demonstrates product alone isn't enough to be successful in smartphones.

Your emotional attachment to LG is commendable. What's left of HTC's fan base is as loyal to HTC as you are to LG. There just aren't enough of you. I'd guess Sony, LG, and Motorola will all remain as niche players in the smartphone game because they have some combination of diversified product portfolios, brand recognition, or deep pocketed parents. But none of the three will achieve more than 10% market share over the next three years and will likely be eclipsed sales wise by the Chinese whose portfolios and cost-base position them well in emerging markets.

You’re right, this is kind of OT, but until the N3 appears or a detailed review is posted we're kind of idling anyway. And let's be honest, you don't want to discuss benches you're here to tell us how great the G2/LG are and how crappy the N3/Samsung are. That’s where you and I are different. I think the G2’s a great phone and a commendable effort by LG; I just personally have no interest in it. And I suspect few else in this thread do either.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
The topic starter, imo, makes no sense anyway, is based on useless benchmark comparisons , some obscure assumptions and creating room for all kind of fanboy-ish behaviour.

I have the feeling the LG G2 is a great device, but is not as appealing for me as the Gnote3 or even the GNote2 are.

Anyway, here is a quick visual comparison between the 2 of them:

http://www.androidcentral.com/quick-comparison-lg-g2-versus-samsung-galaxy-note-3

Furthermore, there are already better threads to discuss the phones and compare them.

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What's more interesting, on (edit)ANOTHER video, it shows that the Korean version got removable battery and SD Card slot, making everything much more interesting...

LG blew it big time by not making all models like that...

EDIT: sorry I meant this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV4ATKeVmKc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Billy Madison:
Funny is that you don't read what is written, it's Nexus mentioned that is niche, not HTC One which is flagship

Nothing to discuss in that regard 'cause blog post mentioned in stating posting doesn't even has G2's result in Antutu, you saw that even gsmarena in their large review didn't posted Antutu of G2? And not 3Dmank. But outdated and obsolete Linpack, Pi & same $it. Why? U and me know why. Because their Antutu high result of G2'll be cited all over Net, showing G2 on par with Note3. But their sponsors (we know them, right) didn't want it

I don't remember myself telling how crappy N3 is. It is what you fantasized.

LG made what ppl wanted. Ppl buy iPhone5, HTC One, Moto X, etc which all don't have SD slot and spare battery. LG made it for western people. And it can present G2 Pro in phablet size with slot and removable cover, too
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
You realize that the only reason OP included the G2 in his post was because it's one of a handful of phones that (currently) have S-800? Other than you I'm guessing people on a Samsung phablet forum have little interest in it outside the fact it has a SoC similar to the phone we are discussing. Aren't there people for you to play with in the G2 forum?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
iPhone got away in the past with all kind of crap and many manufacturers (NOT SAMSUNG) followed the crappy trends; but the tables are turning as we all know.

The numbers speak for themselves.

Apple ( and the "monkeys do") didn't make what ppl wanted. They just told people what they want

Steve Jobs always said and I quote " Pepole don't know what they want until we show them"

This kind of arrogance doesn't cut it anymore.... And Samsung is here to prove it; with removable batteries, sd card slots, styluses (S-pen) and much more...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] deejayburnout:
Wow.

Those benchmarks really show the N3 as the superior device.

Would the differences be noticeable in real term use?

Sent via my mobile communications device.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Just read the last 2 or 3 pages of this thread and you will get some clues...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Billy Madison:
You know, it's not removable batteries, sd card slots & styluses that drives Galaxy S's sales. Cause Galaxy S4 doesn't have SPen. and dozens of models have SD cards and removable batteries. It's somewhat little better camera, fast cpu on par with every single other flagship and tons and tons of advertizing on every single internet page. Even 80% of ppl who bought Note2 confessed that they don't use SPen much or don't use it at all. The same is to SD card and battery, I think that <1% of GS users base really swap sd cards often or replace batteries. All other majority use it as is, even don't care for ROM updates or customs

So it's advertizing that sells phones, not premium materials, premium optimized soft, premium call quality that sells phones. Ask me and I'll say that Moto has premium build, premium materials, premium call quality, premium optimization BUT who cares?

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By how much superior? By 3% or less?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
At last we agree on something. But it's not like Samsung's selling cow dung either. Their "likely to buy again" rating is in the 70's just about five points below Apple. So advertising can hook people but it can't and doesn't make them stay.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Lol...you quoted just a small part of my post and the less relevant

No manufacturer did better advertising, manipulation, marketing than Apple for the iPhone, and yet the tables are turning

For the rest, let me quote the rest of my post that you left behind.

There is NO WAY that I would pay so much money for the LG G2 in order to replace my DAMN GOOD , Excellent GNote 2.

Maybe the GNote 3 or 4, but definitely not for a phone with smaller screen, no removable battery, sd card slot....

Now, be happy with your LG devices, cause I am more than happy with my GNote2 with its gorgeous screen, amazing sound, great gps/glonass performance and the best battery performance of them all, which is not even that good advertised ..

Can you imagine if the GNote3 will do even better?

It deserves advertisement :laugh:

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] SirBindy:
Even if the G2 has superior hardware, LG's software is always garbage.

Samsung's TW suite is pretty crazy, if you take the time to look at all the features. Every LG launcher has been clunky and uses too many resources for the few functions it does.

I'm an AOSP person at heart, but I can't help but marvel at what Samsung has done with its UI.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Billy Madison:
Yeah, I am happy with G Pro, more than happy. It's better than N2 in every single aspect and G2 is better yet

So you pretty much confessed by this that you didn's see any LG devices in person. Only knows what is written on walls

Bother and plz check http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2297 you'll be astonished by people's opinions and comparisons with Note2
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
The OG Pro isn't comperable at all to the N2. The Note-series is about productivity and creation; hence S Pen, S Note, and inking. The OG Pro is just a giant phone of which there will be tons to choose from. Since it was released after the N2 it does have the advantage of a 1080P display and, depending on the device, LG is capable of producing some pretty good displays. Bottom line is that LG, including counting the fantastic OG Pro, sold 4M smartphones a month last quarter. Samsung sold +/- 50M a month. Just the N1 and N2 have sold 38M copies. So either the world's gone mad and you're one of the few that recognize LG's superiority or there a lot of people with choices buying Samsung over other brands.

This will be my last comment on anything related to LG as: a) they aren't one of the brands I follow, their growth prospects are in the single digit percentages over the next 24 month, and since they don't offer true inking there aren't any of their products that I'd be interested in.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Just pathetic really :laugh:

The G Pro its younger than the Note2 and around $200,- more expensive...It should be the better one but it's not

Every comparison I see is in favor of the GNote2, like this one:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/lg-optimus-g-pro-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-2/

I will post more comparisons later

Both good phones but Guess who is the best buy? No advertising necessary

Taking into consideration the Gnote3 is an considerable upgrade of the Note2, there will be no competiton, pathetic really...

Stop making a full of yourself my friend

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
guess they dont like the s-800 discussions. we will wait and see when the note 3 drops and g2 has been out for a few weeks and really start to see the differences and which device comes out on top. But I dont see the note 3 as a huge seller like the s3 was. The note 2 wasnt a top seller in america and dont see the note 3 surpassing the s3 and s4 sales.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
Why are you comparing phones sales with phablet sales? 2 different consumer targets

It makes no sense and totally off topic

Edit: I am out of this thread, too much nonsense, trolls and/or fanboys
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Have you ever noticed that the people defending the absence of a removable battery and non-expandable storage are always the people that either have or want a device that doesn't offer them? ;)

Nobody gives Samsung the credit they deserve for still being able to offer better-than-average device dimensions and weight, larger batteries, and more h/w sensors and features than their competitors while continuing to offer both removable batteries and expandable storage. It's an engineering feat. In the case of the N3 all that's crammed in to a chassis that reserves space for a 4" removable pen. The reason others don't offer removable batteries and expandable storage is that they want to save on manufacturing costs by using a simpler sealed design, reduce component costs by not including a SD card reader, or their engineering teams don't have the prowess to cram those features in without making the device larger than those without them. There is absolutely no downside to a removable battery and expandable storage. Except maybe for people that detest Samsung’s “peel off” plastic back covers.

Think about this. With 1080P and larger physical displays people are going to want to view more and more content on their devices. The wireless carriers are all focused on moving their earnings from voice to data. That's a pretty toxic combination. Of course Google, Apple, and the carriers want you to use data for content access; it's where they make their money. And outside the sheer cost and inconvenience of having to download and stream content (which requires a respectable data connection) if you're someplace with weak or no wireless signals you're screwed. That's especially true when traveling where data roaming is breath takingly expensive. And a 16GB sealed device offers about 10GB of user accessible storage. That’s one 1080P feature film rip and a TV episode (if you’re lucky). We're a long ways away from omnipresent data and even when readily available it won't always be cheap.

As for battery life, it's a similar situation. Screen-on time is what kills any device’s battery. With more consumption there's going to be more screen-on time. So GSMArena's "endurance rating" for S-800 devices is spectacular. Use it heavily for web and media consumption and that spiffy 1080P display is going to drain the battery fairly quickly. Those with removable batteries can just pop-in another (I have three for my N2). Those without can use their device while they have a power booster hanging off of it which I’ve always found to be a classy look.

To repeat, there's no downside to removable batteries and expandable storage; only upside.If it doesn't matter to people individually, bully. But stop trying to convince those it matters to that it shouldn't.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Billy Madison:
Why you linking even not the gsmarena comparison? Even gsmarena gave the win to G Pro and they biased, yes, they are.

And digitaltrends, I don't even know such a low quated site. Who're they anyway? Bunch of underground reviewers? Telling what they're paid for to tell? Maybe you'll link a Samsung.com in the next post, telling us that there's no other smartphone on the planet except Note3?

I have a removable battery and SD card in G Pro I own.

The prognoses Samsung made for SGS4 sales were 10M/month. And see what happened, they declined their sales to 6,7M/month. It's loss, not win. People are fed up with cheap unreliable plasticky S-Pen, S-Note, S-Hit, they don't want it no more

:highfive:

Couldn't disagree with you on that, 16Gb sealed is not an option, but point me on one who sells 16Gb? G2 has 32Gb. They should provide 64Gb variant but something stopped them. Maybe their next flagship around the corner with 64Gb storage. Even Chinese brands nowadays make 128Gb storage phones
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Oh Billy, you've really got that one a bit wrong. Why did analysts revise Samsung's revenue numbers down? It was because Western markets have matured and therefore high-end device sales are projected to slow. And that affects every manufacturer of high-end devices equally; including Apple. It's one of the reason's manufacturers without diverse portfolios and significant precense in emerging markets are toast. Other manufacturers aren't hitting 6.7M a month in sales with their entire smartphone portfolio.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Billy Madison:
B'cause you always compare phones (G2, XZ1) with phablets (N2, N3) and tell us "Look, phablet is superior in every single aspect over phones"

Yes, it's superior truly, but shouldn't it be compared with tablets than? iPad, GNote 10 maybe, HTC Flyer?

Remember, it was HTC Flyer the Samsung copycatted SPen from, wasn't it? So Sammy is fine copycatting from others (iPhone, HTC) and LG is bad when it's copycatting something from Sams, right? So pathetic and fan-boyish

Oh, yeah? Read http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2298 for yourself. Like http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2388070 4 example

So then why U constantly and constantly compare Note3 to phones, like G2, XZ, XZ1, XZU etc? Stop comparing and there'll be no matter to talk about. I'm fine with Note being about productivity and creation, I'm not an artist or painter myself so I (and plenty others) don't need Note-like phablets
[Galaxy Note 3 General] rio99:
LOL

This LG fanboy is so funny,

Quotes just parts of the posts that suit his delusions:laugh:

A typical troll

He deserves a lesser phone :cyclops:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] KruseLudsMobile:
Yes the LG fanboy is funny but your reply made my day!

- R. Kruse Ludington

Current owner of: Verizon 32GB Samsung Galaxy S III (SCH-1535). Previous owner/hacker of: O2 XDA, O2 XDA II, Cingular HTC 8525, AT&T HTC Tilt, T-Mobile HTC Touch Pro 2, T-Mobile HTC HD2, Verizon Motorola Droid X, Verizon Samsung Galaxy Nexus
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
5.2" to 5.7" isn't a huge difference & LG phones have been trying to compete in that area. The intuition was a huge phone just like the note.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Techweed:
The reason you can compare phones to phablets is because the technology itself is being compared. However, because one is considered a niche product you can't do an honest comparison regarding sales and mass appeal. It's not that hard to understand and anyone without a bias would see this.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ruzkay:
actually LG had the window already in 2012 on their Spectrum 2 Premium sleeve...

So unless LG has a time...
[Windows Phone 8 General] Harlley Sathler:
Hi all,

First of all: I've searched for a while on google and all I found is relative to GDR1, not GDR2 (aka Amber).

After the Amber update I can't retrieve my messages from gmail. The account is setup correctly, the contacts and calendars sync with no issues but not the mail. Sometimes it stays "Syncing..." forever, sometimes I get an error message that says it's impossible to sync and sometimes it says it synced but no message is fetched (and I know there's new messages because I see them in webmail).

Does any one have this issues? Is there any way to get back my mail synced on my phone?
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Have you tried removing and reconnecting the account? Does it still sync calendar and contacts, or does none of that work?
[Windows Phone 8 General] Harlley Sathler:
Hi,

Yes, I tried to remove the account and add it again. Tried to add the google account as a Microsoft Outlook and the error persists. I see on the web that uninstall skype should address this problem but didn't work too.

The contacts and calendars are all syncing well.

Just the e-mail doesn't work.

I'm a bit frustrated with this. The amber takes a few improvements to WP8, but my e-mail is very important to me.

Thank you for your kind reply!
[Windows Phone 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
The simplest next step is to try a hard reset - this will almost certainly fix things, but at the cost of all your data on the phone which isn't backed up. Best case, you have to wait a while while your apps re-download and so on, worst case, you discover there were files stored in some app that you really need and now can't access again.

I'll let you know if anything else I can think of seems plausible. One possibility is to reboot the phone between each change (for example, remove the account, reboot, add it again, possibly reboot again). That's probably not going to do it, though. Sorry I can't help more. I sounds like you've already done the research on this (thank you for doing that, by the way).
[Windows Phone 8 General] Harlley Sathler:
Thanks, man!

I feared it was necessary to do a hard reset, but facing the situation I believe it worse a try.

Just one more question: I should do it in the settings/aout/restore or by the combinations of keys at start up?

Should I allow phone to restore my settings at the first boot after reset?

Thank you very much again!