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[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
What I love is the topic has upgrade in quotes.

As if going from a quad core Kraft 200 + ardeno 320 @ 1.5 ghz to the snapdragon 800 on a new lower power process alone isn't a massive upgrade.

Then the screen. The radios the camera. The battery life gains you will get compared to the 4.

The hardware is a massive upgrade. Whether it you feel the need to upgrade to it is a completely different matter altogether. There is a never a need to upgrade if you're happy with you current device.
[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
Watch videos of the S800 and reviewers say it's not a noticeable difference from other flagships. If 60fps is already met the new power may be insignificant other than 5sec diff in loading... Anyway I only use 2 cores on my n4 cause I don't see any difference with 2 or 4, they feel equal enough for me.
[Nexus 5 General] Smallsmx3:
It's not a massive upgrade...it might be on paper but when it comes to real world I can't really imagine anything significant. When I upgraded from my dual core gnex it wasn't huge other than the screen.I hate amoled
[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
The Nexus 4 routinely drops under 60fps second.

Reviewers swiping through the home screens and Judging a SoC based on that are idiots. Those are the pocketnow / typical useless blog reviewers that do that nonsense.

The core count has nothing at all to do with my post.

Again whether or not you want to upgrade is completely different than the hw itself being a huge upgrade.
[Nexus 5 General] hansichen123:
I wont upgrade, i bought my n4 2 weeks ago :D

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[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
Its massive in real world.

A improvement in battery life is real world. A better screen is. Wireless ac is. Working LTE across many bands is. The camera is. The DAC in the s800 is. If it has quick charge 2 that is. Working USB Host that is.

The graphic power is real world for those who game. It goes on and on. It is a huge upgrade. Whether or not you want or need it for your use doesn't change the fact that it's a huge HW upgrade.
[Nexus 5 General] monkeypaws:
I don't think you understand what he meant by "real world " vs "spec sheets".
[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
Hm I didn't realize WiFi ac would be in phones so soon, that sounds interesting but useless for my WiFi N network probably. The camera has been a complaint I've always had since vanilla camera is garbage and always has been. All I want iOS or touchwiz/sense level cam app, on 4.3 it takes worse shots than a 3rd party cam app I use. Quick charge was disabled on some S600 phones, I assume it degrades the battery faster than standard charge.
[Nexus 5 General] Nathan-NL:
The Nexus 5 is going to be smaller than the Nexus 4, but still the screen is bigger. (Bezels are very thin and top and bottom are smaller as well)
[Nexus 5 General] ufukcoskun:
I wont because Nexus 4 is excellent. I love this phone.
[Nexus 5 General] styckx:
Not wasting my money.. Will sit on my Nexus 4 till the successor to the 5. It's still a powerhouse and does everything I need it to do effortlessly. My Nexus 10 does all the heavy lifting anyway.
[Nexus 5 General] Nathan-NL:
I'm pretty sure there will be enough stock this time around. Google and LG must have learned from their experience last time. LG brought the phone to other countries later on as well since it is so popular and people were importing it. They want to earn money. Don't worry.
[Nexus 5 General] tvall:
So, battery will last an hour or two longer, lte will be a noticeable improvement to those who can use it, your phone won't be slightly warm as long while sitting on your nightstand, and some games will lose that occasional lag.

I never see normal users take advantage of USB otg
[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
I understand just fine.

All of those are things you notice in the real world.
[Nexus 5 General] Chad_Petree:
I disagree, I think the nexus 4 is a massive upgrade over the galaxy nexus , did you forget how choppy and laggy the galaxy nexus is ? The camera on the nexus 4 is not good but the camera on the galaxy nexus was really bad , the nexus 4 screen is better too...

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[Nexus 5 General] urmothersluvr:
I will upgrade if I can get a nexus 5 before they sell out lol
[Nexus 5 General] Smallsmx3:
Choppy? The nexus s was choppy. Gnex was a solid device. Multitasking lagged a tiny bit....the screen was awful and the camera was too
[Nexus 5 General] lwfb:
This. You've hit the nail on the head.

I totally agree that this will be a huge hardware upgrade from what we know already.
[Nexus 5 General] Mach3.2:
The gnex is by no means a little laggy, it's choppy when compared to the N4 we got for my mum a week back.

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[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
The soc it uses is slow. The dual a9 and 540 aren't ideal for 720p and jb. The N7 2012 is slow and that has significantly better hardware.
[Nexus 5 General] huntedsoul12:
If its bigger than N4, i have to stick with my awesome N4. Phones are getting damn bigger these days :p
[Nexus 5 General] bozzykid:
It is slightly smaller. We already know the dimensions from the FCC filing.
[Nexus 5 General] Nemuritor:
I am gonna upgrade and keep the Nexus 4 to, that's how much i love it.
[Nexus 5 General] bozzykid:
The Nexus 5 seems to be a Nexus 4 with upgraded internals and without the glass back. I think I will be selling my N4 as soon as I get the new one :)
[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
Should've done the Best buy deal :p
[Nexus 5 General] acadiancrusader:
better battery = upgrade for me
[Nexus 5 General] bozzykid:
I don't really need Best Buy credit and prefer to keep my phone until I get a new one. I don't have to sell mine but I'll be happy to take $150 after I buy the Nexus 5.
[Nexus 5 General] Hung Wei Lo:
I'm jumping ship from the Sony ZL and joining the bandwagon...one gigantic issue and Sony + my carrier are being a pain about helping me resolve it
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
I just got the Nexus 4 about a month ago. Paying $250 for it I figured I won't be losing that much when I sell it so purchase the next Nexus. It is good that the Play Store no longer has them in stock as it would have been harder to re-sell the N4 for decent money if it could still be bought new at $250.

I am hoping we can get $200 for them. Would like to see the next Nexus with 32GB storage at $350, maybe $399 tops. Not sure if I would purchase another 16GB phone without expandable memory but also do not want to spend any more then that. So I will wait and see what the prices come in at. I am assuming they do away with an 8GB version. I can't even believe they still made one that small without the option to expand.

I have the 16GB version without any movies or music and only have 4GB storage left. I have to actually watch what I do know, especially with pictures and recording video...I do not like having that limitation.
[Nexus 5 General] Razer(x):
This phone it's still awesome, also all the mobile technology has slowed down, there is no innovation anymore so no need for more power.

I'm only missing a decent camera
[Nexus 5 General] Reamer09:
I'd consider running a full desktop OS from a phone is both innovating and a need for more power. Not necessarily more cores, but a slightly faster clock rate and then polish it so it uses those cores properly along with battery technology to keep it running. That's a winning combination.
[Nexus 5 General] sadoway:
Everything is software now for me. This hardware does what I need and then some. If I broke this one I would be happy finding another 4
[Nexus 5 General] nyyankees1237:
Hell if they rereleased the Nexus 4 with a 3000mah battery and 32 gigs of storage I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
[Nexus 5 General] luiseteyo:
+1000

Nothing more to say. And remember guys, if it has a bigger battery, it should have better battery life but the bigger the processor is, the battery hungrier it is. ;)

No upgrade from me.
[Nexus 5 General] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
I'm a professional photographer, but when I take shots with my camera, I expect a quick shot to come out pretty damn well. I shouldn't have to use some hardcore app with 500 buttons like Focal or an app with manual focus or manual exposure settings just to get a shot.

Similarly, when I'm casually shooting photos with my friends, while manual exposure is good, my gf gets equally good shots on her S95 in full auto mode, even while I shoot in full manual. Even if my photos are sometimes better, her photos are almost always great. THAT is what I expect of a cameraphone. Why? Because I have an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 4. Every shot out of my Nexus 4 is almost always trash. Even the outdoor shots in bright sunlight where 1/8000 shutter speed is warranted on my DSLR, my Nexus 4 is washing out the colors and getting the white balance all screwed up.

My friends are meanwhile sharing beautiful iPhone photos and leave me in regret whenever I use my Nexus 4. So after 9 months of use, I have 700mb of photos on my Nexus 4. I've dumped over 7gb of photos off my iPhone 5 now. So much for a work phone right?

People who say the Nexus 4 takes good pictures, it might be good enough for you but just go pick up a GS3/4, iPhone 5, HTC One (X), and you can see that straight out of the camera, those photos beat the living crap out of a Nexus 4. If the Nexus 5 can even come close to my iPhone 5 or beat it, I'm already sold. It wasn't exactly a great realization when I found out my Nexus 4 shot worse images than my 2011 Galaxy SII. It's quite disappointing to be still taking crappy pictures in 2013.

And as much as I HATE Instagram and hipster filters, they're almost required on my Nexus 4 to hide how bad the camera itself is....
[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
That's just flat out wrong.
[Nexus 5 General] luiseteyo:
That's absolutely true. A bigger processor needs more power to work. Something different is that a processor with more cores uses the power more efficiently, so will provide a better battery life. Since the nexus 5 will have a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800, Quad Core 2.3 GHz processor, battery life will be worse, I am sure...
[Nexus 5 General] huntedsoul12:
WoW! Really? I must have missed that FCC part. Will be doing more research now :) Better start saving now lol.

Thank mate for the headsup.
[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
And I am absolutely sure you're dead wrong.

A bigger processer doesn't need more power to work. We have processors today with more transistors than before and guess what, they use less power than before.

Having more cores doesn't have much to do with using the power more efficiently. In your example it had nothing to do with it.

Phones are not getting better battery life because some are using quad cores as your statement implies.

Since the Nexus 5 will be using a Snapdrangon 800 it gets better battery not worse. Why? Many reasons. The chip is on a lower power process node is one and there are many many more.

I could go on a write a entire essay showing and proving it but it's pointless. Just look around.

The snapdragon 800 platform is out now in retail devices. Go look at them and see how their battery life is compared to older chips like the S600 and the s4 pro.

The 800 in current devices is so efficient that no matter the load and temperature the GPU never throttles. Not it doesn't need to it just doesn't even have GPU throttling in thermald at all. Full thernal throttle on it is 1.5ghz cpu and full speed on the GPU.
[Nexus 5 General] vasumit:
If its less than 400 USD, then definitely even though I have a Nexus 4 which will eventually go to my wife.
[Nexus 5 General] MarkusDaniel:
If the price manages to stay low and both cameras are high quality then I'm definitely planning on upgrading. I love my Nexus 4 but I can't look past the not so high quality cameras.
[Nexus 5 General] yuanqx:
N4 is already very nice. N5 MUST give me some reason why I need it.
[Nexus 5 General] adoool92:
just bought the nexus4 yesterday.. coming from s3 i couldn't be any happier than now.. knowing that google will support the nexus4 for 2more years i guess then i shouldnt have to wait for the nexus5.. the nexus4 is snappy so i dont have to mind the performance upgrade packed by the sanpdragon 800.. kinda like the iphone5c and 5s thing going on lol
[Nexus 5 General] eksasol:
State your reasons. You don't want a phone with 1080p screen, higher performance, longer battery life, better camera, better speakers, LTE support, bigger storage capacity?

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[Nexus 5 General] luiseteyo:
Of curse he wants!! but is it worth it? If I were bill gates I wouldn't think it, but not everybody can afford it nowadays.
[Nexus 5 General] yuanqx:
I agree that N5 is better. But only bigger,higher,longer or better is not what we want. I think we need something revolutionary.

P.S. Money is THE question that we should not discuss in XDA. privacy.
[Nexus 5 General] Treshy:
I do currently not own a Nexus at all only a crappy Samsung Midrange phone and I'm waiting for months now for a Nexus 5 with non glass back and I hope it won't take too long because I can't wait any longer :D

Good thing the Nexus 4 is sold out in Germany so I can't buy it from impatience :D
[Nexus 5 General] moses992:
I absolutely love my N4. However, if Google sold the Nexus 5 for the same low price ($300-350) AND i manage to sell my N4 for a good price ill make the the switch :).
[Nexus 5 General] thephantom:
Getting it definitely
[Nexus 5 General] Mainak Roy:
I just wish kitkat brings new ui and the phone comes with better touch response...everything else is just fine
[Nexus 5 General] shadowcore:
Yes, unless they add basic features like removable battery and an SD slot, and get back to 16:9 format.

And while they are at it, no glass back please, its annoying.

The nex5 will be lg g2 based, so little hope on what I said.
[Nexus 5 General] rayiskon:
I like how you're so certain of "higher performance" , "longer battery life", "better camera", "better speakers" and "bigger storage capacity" , when the phone hasn't even been announced yet, nor is there any review unit.

From my experience with the nexus lineup, don't get your hopes high too early, you might end up disappointed. Wait till the device gets to your hands, then praise it :)
[Nexus 5 General] sn0warmy:
After the whole Nexus 4 release debacle last year, I told myself I'd wait until January/February in order to let the initial rush die down before purchasing the nexus 5. However, at this point I'm sure I will be right there on launch day hitting F5 like a mad man and hoping I can get an order in.
[Nexus 5 General] lwfb:
I really wish people would realize that Nexus devices will not have SD cards, ever. Period. If you're holding out on one, you'll be in for a disappointment. That is just not a feature of the Nexus line for reasons that have been discussed numerous times.

If you want a phone with all of those features, a Nexus isn't the phone you really want. Samsung (for an example) caters to everything you're looking for with the Galaxy line... Removable back, SD card, etc.

We have choice in Android, you know. If those features are important to you, no one is forcing you to get a Nexus or any other phone without a removable back and SD support.
[Nexus 5 General] LedZepNexus:
I, for one, really wish people would realize that in order to get companies to make positive changes to their products, you need to ride their asses sometimes...

It's not necessarily a question of people realizing "that Nexus devices will not have SD cards, ever". It's a question of the Nexus not having what is in fact a very good feature in their otherwise great phone. I own an N4 and I love it, but the lack of SD slot sucks. The N5 is/was an opportunity for Google to up the ante and add the slot, and it appears they aren't going to.

Obviously people are interested in having more storage space and Google is aware of that. That's why they are changing from 8/16GB formats to 16/32GB.

Quite frankly, it's friggin 2013 and it's disgusting that smart phones don't have 128GB storage by now.
[Nexus 5 General] M3drvr:
+100,000,000,000,000,000

Thank you!

I can't stand hearing people constantly complain about lack of this stupid ancient old technology of freaking SD cards in Nexus devices! Google has made their stance very clear on that matter. Its not going to happen. For good reason too. If you want more space get online storage or use the wonderful USB OTG. If you don't wan't to use that, go buy a samsung which caters to your needs of all this ancient SD card technology. Enjoy paying the extra dollar for all of that too.

If you want to use Nexus devices, you'll have to realize this is a google phone. With this phone, they're obviously going to aim for you to use their services. To help accompany that, they're sellin gthe phone unlocked, and including enough bands for you to be able to use it on virtually any carrier you want. Take advantage of that, and get yourself on a cheap carrier that allows lots of data usage so you can stream everything.
[Nexus 5 General] LedZepNexus:
"stupid ancient old technology"

Oh, give me a break. Does this look like old technology to you?

And what would be wrong with having the option of installing an SD card? And why are you assuming that everyone wants to stream everything all the time?

Toshiba Intros SD Cards With Near SSD Speeds

Toshiba on Wednesday revealed a new batch of "Exceria" SD memory cards integrated with a newly developed controller compliant with UHS-II, the ultra-high speed serial bus interface defined in SD Memory Card Standard Ver. 4.10. These new cards offer the world's fastest data write speed, the company said, and will be launched in major markets worldwide, starting with Japan in October.

Exceria cards compliant with UHS-II will be available in two groups: the vanilla Exceria Series and the Exceria Pro Series. The Pro versions will offer data write speeds up to 240 MB/s (aka "the world's fastest") and data read speeds up to 260 MB/s. The non-Pro cards will have data write speeds up to 120 MB/s and data read speeds up to 260 MB/s.
[Nexus 5 General] El Daddy:
"We got tired of seeing OEMs include many GB of internal storage for music, while users were still running out of space for apps and data. This approach lets us merge everything on one volume, which is way better.

-- Dan Morrill, Android engineer at Google"

That's the reason why. Yes, there are a vocal few that want the option, but most people don't need the extra storage or simply do not care. I have the 8GB version and that is plenty for me as I stream my movies and music. Adding an SD would add to the cost of manufacturing and it seems a goal of the Nexus program is to keep the costs down.
[Nexus 5 General] bozzykid:
My Nexus One begs to differ. But going forward, they won't in the foreseeable future.
[Nexus 5 General] mindlesSheep:
why the duck? no, id upgrade if I had nexus S
[Nexus 5 General] rayiskon:
Galaxy S3 also uses MTP/PTP protocols. And it has a microSD slot.

My opinion on that issue is that Google made a mistake with discarding microSD support. It is a nice and useful feature. I trained myself since the early galaxy nexus days and 16GB are enough for me. But i'm pretty sure if my nexus 4 had expandable storage option, i would make use of it and carry a lot of stuff with me, not having to worry about possible connectivity problems.

Furthermore, it was a big advantage that android devices had compared to some rival platforms...
[Nexus 5 General] bodom_hc:
i highly doubt thats going to happen.

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well running LG's ui then yes, but if we were to put a vanilla android rom or at the least a custom kernel we would be able to out perform the battery of the nexus 5, but i hope they up the battery IMO.
[Nexus 5 General] nnorton44:
Ill get it.....next year :)
[Nexus 5 General] lwfb:
I had a Nexus One too. Also a Backflip, DHD, Vivid and a GSII... All with expandable storage. I've also had more corrupted SD cards that I've had to format than I care to count. Not to mention data inconsistencies.

I understand Google's reason for doing away with SD cards though and I think their reason is valid.

The technology isn't bad, but I think more internal storage is a better solution.

Everyone's case is different though, I fully embrace cloud storage and I have unlimited data in a great coverage area so it works for me. For folks that can't say the same, I understand why they find removable storage a benefit and luckily there are OEMs that agree with them. Android isn't one size fits all thankfully.
[Nexus 5 General] M3drvr:
Exactly what i've experienced. Never once has the cloud gone corrupt on me, or internal storage. But i've had too many SD cards just plain outright STOP WORKING. Or certain files just went missing out of the blue or couldn't be played.

For me, i'm all for the way they're going. I take advantage of the unlocked phone, go on a cheap carrier with unlimited data and stream away. I also live in the city so no worries about losing connection. Even if i go out of the city though, pretty much everywhere has coverage where i go. All highways are perfectly covered. I got 1TB of storage with me all the time on every device. So i'm not worried. More than most anyone else carries around with them or has access to all the time.

But yes, if you live in areas with limited service, i can understand the issue. But then, maybe Nexus just isn't the phone for you then. Welcome to Android, and choice.
[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
I have not personally experienced the sdcard reader fail in a phone. Even my G1, released 5yrs ago has a functional reader and I don't recall ever fiddling with the port. Even my mytouches, sensation,etc were fine in that regard. Anyway I would expect the newer readers to be more reliable or have whatever safety features.
[Nexus 5 General] RodriTihuana:
I have the White Nexus 4 (is gorgeous! Had the black before) and I definitely want to upgrade but from what I can tell from the leaks it is going to feature a plastic back. While I don't have issues with that per se (Nokia showed the world how to make good use of plastic), I just love glass or aluminum bodies. It has to feature a good solid construction and also look good (yes, I want my devices to look good after spending money on them).

The only two things I find lacking "a bit" on my N4 are battery life (not a big issue but would be nice to get more than 3-4hs screen time, maybe a 2.700 or 3.000mah battery?) and the camera, which franctly it's not a main concern for me but it is nice to have a good camera on the device you carry with you all the time.

I'll wait for the reviews, check the battery life, check the camera quality and then decide. Otherwise I am very happy with my Nexus 4. The best Android experience I had (I sell phones in my country so I tried most of them including the new Xperia Z Ultra, nothing beats a Nexus experience). I also have an iPhone 5 (not starting a war here) and franctly, the Nexus is the device I love the most. My N4 is faster than my GFs Galaxy S4 (because of Touchwiz vs Stock/PA Mako), faster than an Xperia Z, sometimes it felt faster than a ZU too and it is definitely faster than an iPhone 5 with iOS7. It looks gorgeous and handles very well. I love it. To upgrade, the Nexus 5 has to be definitely better overall but most important for me, on the features that I find my N4 lacking (which are not speed or screen resolution).
[Nexus 5 General] Mach3.2:
By no means SD cards are ancient, I suggest you look at other electronics before shooting your mouth off like a clueless guy.

I can easily tell you that at least half of Canon's and Nikon's cameras uses a SD card. And make no mistake, new SD cards are not slow by any means.

Beamed from my Maguro

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Lol better luck next time or just get better SD cards instead of the cheap one if you haven done so. Not that expensive cards don't fail, everything in this world will fail eventually, I never had any class 10 cards fail on me.

Beamed from my Maguro