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[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
While I agree more storage is better in general. I also agree a 8gb is a valid sku.

Plenty of people don't play hard core games that are a gb each. Or walk around full movies on their smartphones. There are much better devices for that. Many people also don't load up their devices with a massive music collection either.

Giving the huge price premium these OEMs put on hand storage. Like 50 bucks for 8gb on the Nexus 4. Many people simply don't need a lot of storage and don't want to pay for something they don't need.

I got the 16gb model and I have 6.5 free. That includes a titanium backup folder that is about almost 900mb. And a nandroid back up of /system and boot.

We ( the tech community) should he embracing the 8gb option but in general it doesn't. Embrace paying out the rear end for over priced nand instead.

8gb models I think are actually great for the masses but they have been conditioned to think they need more by marketing and the industry as a whole. If a study was done that actually looked into how much storage the average smartphone user uses I think a lot of people would be surprised. Especially the mobile tech junkies and blogs
[Nexus 5 General] LoVeRice:
4gb sku to combat iphone 5c
[Nexus 5 General] nyyankees1237:
While I agree that the 8gb option may be nice for some, wouldn't you rather a 16gb tier and a 32gb tier instead of the 8gb to 16gb as it stands now? To say that more storage is a negative thing isn't practical. The fact of the matter is, MANY people do put lots of music/movies/apps on their phones. Cloud storage is a mess in its current form as carriers want your left teste for unlimited data. I'd say that having two options with higher storage is well worth the extra $50 when you're talking about a device that holds your digital life in the palm of your hand.
[Nexus 5 General] hello00:
8gb is a joke nowadays
[Nexus 5 General] lombardo8:
Why do you need to lug around that much stuff about anyway? No one really needs to keep ten 1GB movies on their phone. Watch and delete. Its a mobile phone not some data storage centre. I still have 6 of the available 13GB free on my N4. My whole music library is on my phone and its only 2.15GB. Pictures account for 1.5GB and apps 1.7GB. 16GB is more than enough for me.

If you dont like the direction Google/Nexus are going, buy something else!
[Nexus 5 General] wideasleep1:
Agreed...with nearly 600gigs of music in my collection there is simply no way it will ever find its way onto my phone physically unless I add USB to go hard drive and tweak apps to see it. I enjoy dragging a few albums/podcasts for offline playback but the cloud is the imminent solution for media.
[Nexus 5 General] Mach3.2:
Them .flacs aren't small :(

Add that with a game and nandroid, I'm about 3gb free on my 16gb GNex.

32gb version is definitely the way to go in the near future.

Beamed from my Grouper
[Nexus 5 General] M3drvr:
Exactly what i'm trying to say. They can really hit the low price point with an 8GB. Me, i have virtually nothing on my phone. Its all synced from the cloud. In Canada, where wireless rates are the highest in the world, i use the unlocked pentaband to its advantage and go with the cheapest company out there. Unlimited everything for $33 a month. Last month, i streamed 15GB. Was a bit higher than usual but on average i'm around the 9-10 mark.

With my 5.64GB usable storage, i have 3+ available all the time. I also have ROM files and a nandroid backup and a titanium backup on there. I'm not feeling any constraints. But i'm a heavy cloud user. Take my cloud storage into consideration and technically, i'm carrying around just over 1TB storage with me on all my devices. More than anyone else can possibly carry around with them. So i have 50+ movies and a few TV series with me all the time if i feel like watching stuff. Then i have Google music for all my music. And Google photos for all my photos to get backed up to. Once they are backed up, delete from device. For people like me, the 8GB model really is worth it. That $50 savings, is nice. I had a 32GB HTC One before, i didn't use the storage at all, it was a waste for me really. I also had a 16GB Galaxy nexus. I always had 10+ free. The 8GB is actually the sweet spot for me. Apparently quite a few others too. Don't get me wrong, i'm not against more onboard storage. For some it works, and if they can offer 16GB at same price point as the 8GB, sure, i don't mind.
[Nexus 5 General] luiseteyo:
The answer is.....

Xiaomi mi3

Nothing more to say. Bye!
[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
I would die if there was no 16Gb.
[Nexus 5 General] F4M0U569:
Keep it up with the technology. We are in 2013 not in 2000 when phones only had 260mb what would you say to people back then? Would you be saying around to people why do they need more than 260mb on their phones? Let them do whatever the hell they want with their phones, şhit, let them store 10gb of movies on their phones if they want to. Just because 16gb is enough for you does not mean it is enough for everybody. Some people just like watching movies more than twice on their phones why would they need to be storing and deleting every time they want to see a movie? It is time consuming. Quit shoving your opinions down on peoples throat. To each his own
[Nexus 5 General] Johmama:
My viewpoint on the whole storage discussion is as follows:

I, personally, still have ~7.5 gb free on my 16gb N4. While the 8gb would be plenty for me, I think I would still buy the 16gb model (assuming there's an 8gb model) for the sole reason of peace of mind. Everytime I would go to the Play store and go to download a new app, I would constantly be worrying about space, even though I'll probably not go over 8gb. I would constantly be checking and budgeting my storage, doing things like making nandroid backups, moving files to internal storage to flash, etc. I think the extra $50 is worth it for not worrying, even if I'll not actually take advantage of it. Of course, that's my opinion. Plus, with 16gb, I have the option to take advantage of it; with the 8gb I'm stuck.

After thinking about it for awhile: I think they will actually be offering 8gb and 16gb models. 8gb is too small for most people, but 16gb is right where they want everyone to be. Just big enough to use, but not so big that people won't use their cloud services. In any case, 16gb is perfect for me: big enough to not worry about space, but not a waste (for me).

I've chimed in before, but I think we're getting a little off-topic with the storage discussion so I'll say something more on topic. I will be buying the Nexus 5 as soon as I can. I'll be there hitting F5 to get the first batch. If I miss that batch, I'll be checking multiple times a day to buy one. It's not that I don't like my N4, but I'm really excited for the new one. Plus, I don't have a backup phone so after buying the N5, my N4 will be my backup phone and the phone I flash non-daily-ready Roms and use for more than 20 minutes before needing to flash back to have a phone.
[Nexus 5 General] tvall:
"640K is more memory than anyone will ever need." -Bill gates

Yes, I know, he never really said that. That would further prove my point.

I have a small music collection, its around 20gb. I could easily shove it in the cloud and stream it, but my data gets throttled after 5gb (or about a week of streaming music based on rough calculations). Give me truly unlimited, and I guess I could stream, but then I'd have to switch to sprint and give up the awesomeness of unlocked gsm devices.

I can make do with 16gb by rotating my music every week or so, but it would be really nice to just copy it all over and forget about it.

edit: forgot to say something actually on topic. I will likely not be getting the nexus 5 soon. I'm just too poor, and I only bought my n4 about a month ago. I would love to upgrade, and it sounds like it would be a nice upgrade, but it involves money, and i have very little money. Only verizon and att have lte here, and att is too expensive for me. I have yet to encounter an 802.11ac network in the real world yet, and my battery lasts me about 19 hours, so the n4 should serve me well for a while still.
[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
It's a false analogy to only compare 8 and 16 vs 16 and 32. Or a 32 and 64 option.

While sure I have nothing at all against offering a larger storage option I also have nothing at all against the 8.

50 dollars for 8 gb of cheap nand is not acceptable to me. That is a higher far higher cost per gb than enterprise class nand in SSD drives.

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Being forced to pay a 50 dollar premium for 8gb of cell phone quality nand is the joke. Without the 8gb model that's what consumers would be paying for with the 16gb model. Even if they made the 16gb model 300 bucks. They could release a smaller 8gb model in the upper mid 200 price range.

8gb is a joke to the people that read the specs off of boxes and have Internet passing contests over them.

It's funny how having a lower cost lower storage option on a high end device is apparently a bad thing. Disregard all the people that don't use a a lot of storage and don't want to pay the obscene amount of money for this cheap nand storage that they will never use.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
I think it is more about how cheap memory costs and if they got rid of the 8GB version the 16GB version has the possibility of replacing that spot and that would make a lot more people happy. We keep saying 8GB, but usable is closer to 4-5GB. That is a joke.

While people say they do not need more memory because they don't download music on their phone, don't have movies, don't play games, don't take video's or many pictures, don't make nands or titanium backup's, don't have to many apps I almost question if those people even need a smart phone. If you don't need any of this and you do not care about how much memory is on a phone, just by a dumb phone which know usually includes facebook and email.

My wife had a Motorola device with 8GB of storage and was getting an out of memory message and could not load anything else on her phone. All she does is download apps, takes pictures and video's the phone and that is about it. If she can go through 8GB anyone can. Needless to say she know has a 32GB HTC One and will never have to worry about memory issues again.

The price of memory and what we get charged for it when built into the device is ridiculous and by getting rid of the 8GB version, the 16Gb version then becomes the lower tiered device with then a 32GB version as the higher tier. The only thing the 8GB version is doing is getting in the way of a cheaper 16GB version.
[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
This is really nonsense.

First the pricing will not work that way OEMs are not going to just lower the profit margins. And their is nothing stopping them from making a low mid and a high sku.

Yes moving the 16gb model to the price point of the 8 would make people happy. Simply because it's more for the same price. But what that doesn't mean that if you do that you should also get rid the lower storage option. You can lower the price of that model and make even more people happy.

I'm so sick of this stupid smartphone to dumb phone crap. So because somebody doesn't want to play huge massive games like asphalt and root and store nandroids and titanium back ups they shouldn't get a smartphone. And need a boatload of storage they should get dumb phone.

The apps the thing. The majority of apps are small. Not huge. I have 148 user apps installed right now for example that according to settings storage break down is 2gb.

So because somebody doesn't want to play massive game titles on their phones and carry around massive amounts of media on their device they should get a dumb phone...... Forget all the functionality that these devices offer. From browsing the Web with a browser, forums with a app, all the social networking from Facebook to Twitter to IM clients. To the all productivity you can do with Google drive / quick office etc. Google navigation / maps, controlling chrome cast. Google now / voice input. Taking and sharing pics and videos and sharing to any service they want with ease and I go on for days.

But you don't do a few things that only a minority of the market does so you should get a dumb phone. Because somebody doesn't want to or use their device they way you do they shouldn't even get a smartphone. Nonsense. It's like me saying you should get a cheap flip phone dumb phone and a ipod. What do you need a smartphone for
[Nexus 5 General] M3drvr:
Then those type of people should buy the 16GB version. People like me, know how to use other services and would prefer the 8GB version. I stream everything. To say i could do that with a dumbphone is incorrect. You can't stream movies, or music, or remote connect into work computers through a dumbphone. As for games, i use my Nexus 7 for that. I do use my phone a lot for all things that require a lot of storage, but i don't use storage on the phone itself. And a lot of people actually do that with the 8GB version as i have previously said. I take lots of video and pictures, but it all gets backed up immediately to the cloud so that i can immediately erase it from the phone and have the free space. The 8GB model, is just for a different crowd is all it is. And obviously, Google sees that there is a demand for that crowd who doesn't need the onboard storage. Thats why the 8GB probably sold out faster than the 16GB model, along with the ridiculously low price.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
Maybe Google should make a 4GB version as well. Think how cheap that can be.

I hate a 8GB version because it raises the price of the 16GB!
[Nexus 5 General] albundy2010:
And how much of that 8gb moto phone was a for app storage?

Older android devices had a completely different partition set up. Let's say 1gb for apps and the rest for storage. The Nexus S was this way. The Nexus one prior even had a much smaller amount of storage available for apps. This set up was why having a SD card at the time was actually essential for the Nexus one and moving everything you could to the emulated SD card on the Nexus S. Without the option of moving stuff to SD you would run out of storage quickly.

With the move to the entire MTP thing and setting up the phone partitions similar to how the iPhone was from launch fixed this disaster. You now how have your / system partition that is a set a size and and the rest is free for whatever else. Apps or USB storage. Minus the other partitions like boot and radio etc of course.

This was a huge and I mean huge problem with the Android platform for years. And it wasn't taken care of until android 3.0 and the xoom and 4.0 on the galaxy Nexus. Until then you had as much storage for apps as the OEM put in the partition.

Go back and look up exactly how the moto 8gb phone you were talking about was set up.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
It was a Razr M. I think it ran 4.1.2 or maybe 4.2. Definitely towards the newer spectrum.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
This is my last post about memory but if you have 7.5GB of memory left on your 16GB phone, that would pretty much mean you would be close to being out of memory on an 8GB device. So how can you say that 8GB would be plenty for you?
[Nexus 5 General] serginio358:
I very appreciate my nexus 4: powerful, beautiful screen,... But its screen is too big: I can't put it on my trousers pocket and forgot it. So i will not buy the nexus 5 if its screen is bigger than nexus4: I don't want carrying a brick.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
Supposedly based on leaks the screen will be bigger but the actual size of the device will be smaller. So it will be a win, win all around.
[Nexus 5 General] serginio358:
Correct.

I should write: if the nexus 5 is bigger than nexus 4, I will not buy it.
[Nexus 5 General] bozzykid:
But it is not. We already have the exact dimensions of the Nexus 5.
[Nexus 5 General] serginio358:
Give it.
[Nexus 5 General] steviemch:
I'll probably get the N5 next summer, I love the N4 so it's not a big deal if I don't upgrade straight away......... plus I'm a student and have to think of funds.

Sent by carrier pigeon.
[Nexus 5 General] serginio358:
Give us the exact dimensions of nexus 5, bozzykid.
[Nexus 5 General] wideasleep1:
I'm not bozzy, but I CAN google:

"The FCC filing, which has been proven to be for a device not called the LG G2, revealed a device with 131.9 x 68.2 mm dimensions, a screen that measures 126 mm diagonally and a 16:9 screen ratio. Deuxani took all of this into account when creating this render and the results are fantastic as the render is on par with one that Google would release'.

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/09/11/nexus-5-render-offers-best-look-yet/
[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
Lol @ Trouser pockets. Anyway if you cannot fit a phone in your pocket you must be wearing skin-tight sissy jeans. :rolleyes: /s
[Nexus 5 General] serginio358:
Thanks for this news. But is it 100% sure?
[Nexus 5 General] wideasleep1:
Not like death and taxes...no. ;)
[Nexus 5 General] Enhanced:
Real LTE + bigger screen in smaller body has me sold. If it somehow gets better battery life/better camera, that's extra.
[Nexus 5 General] jetbruceli:
I for one am not getting a n5, getting the note 3.

This nexus stuff is nice but realistically I need expandable memory, replacement battery or the option to buy a bigger one with ease.

Also I actually hate this nav bar stuff! Right now I use an app to hide it but really? 10% of the screen is missing and also with having a dedicated home buttom to unlock its much easier.
[Nexus 5 General] wy2sl0:
Pretty much everything x2.

Sold my N4 last week, on to the Note 3 once it gets released. $700 or not, it will last a few years and is just a better overall device.
[Nexus 5 General] Tunderpimp:
I will be getting a n5 I want a phone that can fit in my pocket, I have a tablet. I have no need to over compensate.
[Nexus 5 General] Thank Me Later:
T-Mobile has true unlimited data now, if you pay for that particular plan. No throttle after 5GB like the previous plans. LTE is out here, I'm just waiting for the next Google phone. I haven't been throttled yet.
[Nexus 5 General] tvall:
No clue how I forgot about their unlimited plan. Too expensive for me, but still there.
[Nexus 5 General] eman3316@optonline.net:
I tried T-Mo a month ago. I could not believe they were even considered one of the top providers. My job is about 10 blocks away from an international Airport I could not even get service with T-Mo. If service is that bad by an airport I can imagine how much worse it is when you are near nothing.

Sprint, Verizon and AT&T obviously has full service. I tried so hard to like T-Mo but it just failed me every where I went. Needless to say I am now on an MVNO that uses AT&T's network and I have been more then pleased.

Also, even though it might look as if Sprint will be carrying the next Nexus device the whole Nexus experience is lost when using it on a CDMA network. So when you really look at it there really is no good option for an unlimited network and a Nexus. So give us the memory and screw this cloud crap!
[Nexus 5 General] nyyankees1237:
T-Mobile is only really good for people in the top metro areas, this is a given. In these areas the service has greatly improved. I can speak for NY; I'm getting amazing coverage here. Otherwise their service is quite subpar which as previously stated is widely known already.
[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
Their LTE is great in NY, but i feel bad for the fellows living in the boonies or in the very isolated areas where there's only you and animals.
[Nexus 5 General] Thank Me Later:
That sucks. T-Mobile has always been good here. Sprint and at&t are the services that were horrible from my experience. Verizon service was always on point. Service varies and performs different for people depending on location.
[Nexus 5 General] Tunderpimp:
This is what I get on t-mobile. Unless I'm in some small BS town I have service. I get 30 meg in cities, and around 18 meg in suburbs. Unless I'm in the boonies I'm good
[Nexus 5 General] iCalculate:
Most likely going to go iphone 5s this time, want to experience the other side.
[Nexus 5 General] Thank Me Later:
I did that with the iPhone 5. I didn't like the whole, you need to go through iTunes for everything. I hated having to enter that ridiculous password each time you download an app. But looks like fingerprint scanner kinda solves that annoyance on the 5s. I hated everything that came to having to convert files, moving files, making ringtones, etc. They format everything all weird on the iPhone. Oh and that small screen use to piss me the hell off. The texting and keyboard was awesome, so smooth, but the screen size kept making me hit letters I didn't want or hit back space. I hated the no swiping to make things go away that Android has. Gotta hit that little "x".

The Apple app store was awesome though. It's huge! Battery life was great. Camera was on point. It definitely has it's good and bad. It's just what you can live with. For me, the bad outweighed the good. iPhone wasn't for me but to each their own. People have different preferences and use their devices differently. You may like it, or not. 14 days to return it lol.
[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
FYI the sensor has been bypassed by hackers already.
[Nexus 5 General] hello00:
i will never use an iphone in my entire life. i wonder if they will ever come with an 5" screen..prob they will keep it at 4.7"
[Nexus 5 General] Zainiak:
I'm gonna have to upgrade now. Broke my nexus 4, and its not worth it to fix mine, then buy the new one in 2 weeks. No phone until then.
[Nexus 5 General] difyel:
i m definitely getting a nexus 5 best android experience ever . but i think i will wait a little and see the impression of consumers before purchasing one.

Sent from my GT-I9505
[Nexus 5 General] Thank Me Later:
So this means no more having to go through iTunes? No more having to convert files? Hey that's pretty cool not sure if it's enough to make me go back to iPhones. Does the hack make the screen larger?
[Nexus 5 General] bozzykid:
No it hasn't. No more than any fingerprint sensor that has ever existed is susceptible to using someone's fingerprint by making a copy. Sure, give me 10,000 bucks and I can do it. But I don't think that is a concern for most people. It is still more secure than a 4 number pass code.
[Nexus 5 General] Thank Me Later:
When I said the fingerprint scanner solves the having to always enter the password, I just meant it saves the time and annoyance of always typing in the password. Not saying it was more secure.
[Nexus 5 General] Tonio78370:
You'll be sick of it within a few months when you find out you're still on 4.3 while your Nexus buddies have 4.whatever or your wifi connectivity stinks or your phone shows lag for whatever reason or there is some SOD syndrome or...

The Note 2 is my second Samsung experience and definitely the last. Maybe Nexus doesn't have all the bells and whistles but it works anytime and every time
[Nexus 5 General] Ceballos:
I keep the n4. excellent phone, just the battery is disappointing. At least 1 or 2 year before changing. Our if it's damaged before
[Nexus 5 General] hello00:
wake up..this has already been bypassed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTgSzrKYdc
[Nexus 5 General] Ace42:
According to the articles Google shows, the sensor can be tricked.
[Nexus 5 General] H4CK_H0PP3R:
I am too waiting for nexus 5 from long time...
[Nexus 5 General] qpqpqp:
I think the microSD will be a deal breaker for me. Everything is getting bigger and require more memory: games, apps,pictures, HD video. It wasn't a big deal for me before but after having an 8 GB Nexus 4 it felt rediculous that i'm always running out of space. Don't know why google don't cut corners somewhere else and keep the microSD slot.