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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ram130:
What's the benefit to having this LTE version? Are you gonna use LTE alot or you guys just want it to turn it into a huge phone? because it's a extra monthly fee.

I've been back and forth on whether I really need the LTE version or not. I have my wifi only on order from last night and now I'm hovering over the cancel button. I don't see myself needing LTE on it that much when I'd have my phone in those situations without wifi to tether. Plus I got a extra battery that can recharge it. Anyway just want to know, what's your thoughts and why? I'm going crazy thinking about it.:confused:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] purple lady:
I just ordered mine! :D

It's about time.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] JoeBruin32:
I am turning it into a huge phone :P
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Alcibiade:
Same here
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
Do you guys know if this is possible..? This was the plan for the previous models as well but it turned out to not be possible as far as I can remember. Not to mention T-Mobile blocking the IMEI's of the N73G, N74G so it wouldn't work with the $30 Walmart plan.. I don't have mine yet so I don't know for sure if it will work yet.. But for the last 2 versions neither of those things worked.

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rashadking:
That's my plan too I heard something about grooveip for Google voice! I also have magic jack and can use that number on mobile ?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] immunityx:
Hmm ill wait if it really be turned into a phone, if it can then ill be selling my nexus 4 and n7 2013 wifi
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] zero_rez:
I also mulled over the same question but at the end of the day I dont need LTE connectivity. My Verizon plan comes with the HotSpot capabilities so when I need to connect I can turn it on. This way I am not spending a lot of time online as well. I get 2gb a month so its more than enough for me. I am never far from wifi connections as well. I dont see the need to pay more for the LTE connection but thats just my .02 cents worth :cyclops:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] adamhlj:
I am fairly certain that it is already unlocked to use on Tmo, ATT or Verizon. You just have to have the sim card ready.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] I Like Soup:
I just kind of figured I'd get the LTE version of the Nexus 7 because I travel so much I'd like to have the best I can get with regards to connectivity. And with T-Mobile and my 18% discount, adding a tablet on my plan is only an additional $26 per month. Seems reasonable for unlimited data. Of course, there is the added cost of the LTE version, but I'm hoping to hold out for another 20% coupon for Officemax/Staples, etc. like I did for my wife's wifi Nexus 7.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Syn Ack:
The list didn't show any of Verizon's bands for LTE or CDMA. So this is technically a GSM Nexus 7.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ptau:
Please remember to bug google. E.g.: Whoa, I bricked my device and desperately need the LTE factory image [1] ;)

http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/oPSaNRru0AM/x6aUz_qmsz4J

http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!categories/nexus/nexus-7

Thanks.

[1] https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] coolsilver:
For me... Ingress and Storm Spotting with Pykl3 Radar. Maybe not having to worry as much about wifi being free at hotels.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] JoeBruin32:
I don't have any pretense of hope about using a phone plan on the nexus 7. I intend to use VOIP with a tablet plan (Tmobile 2.5 GB LTE, unlimited throttled -- $30)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
That should work no problem.. Let's hope for the best..

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jwiskowski:
I'm using my as a phone as well. Debating Verizon vs AT&T. AT&T is faster but some places I go to occasionally has little to no AT&T service, yet still gets Verizon. T-Mobile is way to spotty in my area and does not seem to work at all indoors for me.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] TheWerewolf:
Unfortunately, the Nexus 7 can't be used as a cellphone in a direct way (ie: like a normal cellphone). However, with a cell data connection (LTE or 3G), you can make VoIP calls and those are cheap to free and usually don't charge for long distance.

The main reason for LTE/3G is so your tablet can be 'always on the internet' and since a lot of functions on Android (and iOS for that matter) are internet oriented, if you don't have cell data and you aren't near WiFi, the tablet is seriously reduced in terms of functionality. On the other hand, if you tend to always use your tablet around WiFi hotspots, then it might not be worth it.

The other big difference between last year's and this year's Nexus is that you can tether other devices to the Nexus and share your internet connection. That can be handy for laptops and other devices, if you have these, or for other tablets.

That being said, if you already have a data plan on your cellphone, the odds are you can tether your WiFi Nexus to the cellphone and get it on the internet that way and not bother with a Nexus 7 LTE.

LTE devices like the Nexus 7 2013 are LTE and 3G (and EDGE for that matter), which means if you aren't in an LTE area, it'll fall back to a slower (but still quite fast) service... although this will depend on your carrier.

The Nexus supports:

EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

3G: 850/900/1900/2100/AWS (1700/2100) MHz (Bands: 1/2/4/5/8)

LTE:

North America: 700/850/1700/1800/1900/2100 MHZ (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/13/17)

Europe: 800/850/1700/1800/1900/2100/2600 MHz (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/20)

Which means it'll support 3G pretty much everywhere. LTE is iffier. And if your carrier doesn't use GSM, EDGE is not available.

To see which LTE bands are used where you are and on your carrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ram130:
Thanks so much for your detail explanation and consideration. I'm sure it will not only help but others as well feeling the same. Based on this info I'll keep the order for wifi only going. Especially since T-Mobile now includes 2.5gb of hotspot. So why not.

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Thanks so much again!!

I really hope this doesn't lag all over again like my 2012 model..I feel so burnt.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
[MENTION=2404483]ram130[/MENTION] what do you mean "T-Mobile now includes 2.5gb of hotspot." Can you please elaborate..? Thanks

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] CollinFX45:
I'm trying to make this same decision when mine comes today (how about that immediate shipping and overnight delivery huh?!).

I would choose Verizon if only this thing had the 3G CDMA radio. I worry about having only LTE on Verizon. T-mobile and AT&T are the same price and I already have a mobileshare plan on AT&T so maybe that would be smartest, though I'd like some extra data than my expensive 6gb cell plan.

Anyhow, maybe a different thread is in order for which carrier people decided to go with? Best of luck on the choice!

-Collin-
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rebj2007:
How to root N7 2013 LTE? Can't find any instructions tho.

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
They are shipping.. I got my shipping notice 4:38am est this morning.. Just a heads up.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] bsteiner36:
Hotspot Support

I read somewhere that the old Nexus 7 HSPA+ did not support the ability to be a hotspot. Does anyone know if this one will support the hotspot functionality? I hava nexus 4 (hspa+ only) on at&t and i plan on getting the Nexus 7 LTE to use it as a hotspot when i need to with LTE connectivity.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] zhiwlin:
I think the other item to consider is battery...with LTE, if you're in area with not so strong signal, your N7 will eat up the battery much quicker...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] cmstlist:
The Euro/Asian model has already been reported to support tethering in the stock ROM. Still waiting to hear if that's also the case for the US model.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tallon29:
I received my US N7 LTE a couple hours ago. It has the tethering & hotspot in stock.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] cmstlist:
Sweet thanks!

The SIM I'm using on my N73G in Canada doesn't even have LTE access (albeit very fast HSPA+) but I am still so tempted to upgrade in order to get the nicer display and the use of SlimPort/MiraCast. Not on sale in Canada (yet?) but I'm close to the border.

Hey, what are the codenames of this device? Nexus 7 2012 had nakasi and nakasig, while the software builds were grouper and tilapia. We know the wi-fi N7-2013 is razor, and the binaries are also razor. What did they use for the N7-LTE?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] tatootie67:
Wish I had waited for the LTE version...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ram130:
Normally you get 500mb included hotspot usage in your $70 unlimited plan before they slow you down. They've up that to 2.5GB starting today. Read more here.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
Dude your ahead of the curve I jusr read what you wrote in your post online today..

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ram130:
Lol I am still wondering if I should cancel my wifi only that's on order which just shipped. What's your reasons for wanting the LTE version?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] tatootie67:
Cause I love this thing so much, I want data abilities when I'm away from wifi. Without having to tether to my phone, which I do currently
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ram130:
Haha thanks. When I saw that I was like, do I really need this LTE version or not. Now that 2.5GB makes it very compelling to stick with the wifi only since I don't need to pay extra for it at all.

Only reasons I can think of for getting the LTE version now is if I use the N7 alot while out for internet activities and need that data all day. I only goto school, work and do some light traveling. Most have wifi and does that don't I can tether. My question now is Moto X or N5. :confused:

---------- Post added at 05:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:37 PM ----------

I'm guessing you do that ALOT. Then I totally understand now.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
For me I do computer engineering so being able to vnc into my boxes and write code from a live repo is key.. I'm hoping this thing is able to work with the Walmart plan if not I'm going for the 4.5gb if data for $30

Not to mention all the email I get.. My fingers are crossed..

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ram130:
Be sure to let us know if it does.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] short/y:
Over on the development boards, I'm seeing FLO for the Wifi model and DEB for the LTE model. Indeed, the CM 10.2 builds are for FLO -- http://get.cm/?device=flo
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] JustusIV:
in for 1
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] RobinD42:
This is the first I've seen a reference to a "Walmart plan", are you referring to the Straight Talk service or is it something else? Do you have a link with more details?

Thanks.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kisrita:
No, I'm assuming the reference is to a T-mobile prepaid phone plan with 100 minutes and 5gb high speed data. Great plan for phones but it was blocked on the first generation Nexus 7 so it probably won't work on the second generation either. Someone will be able to confirm one way or another soon enough.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
Has that been confirmed..? I've asked but no one confirmed it..

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] RobinD42:
Ah, ok. I didn't know those were available from Walmart too. I've had my eye on that same plan on T-Mo's site at http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans (about 2/3'rds down the page) and first heard about it at http://consumerist.com/2013/06/07/t...very-chatty-but-can-current-customers-get-it/. I'm also hoping it will work with the Nexus 7 LTE... <fingers crossed>

Robin
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Kermee:
Received mine this morning. I have a Verizon iPhone 5 but no nano to microSIM adapter so guess I have to order one before I can test on LTE.

Tested AT&T LTE and T-Mobile LTE and they both worked.

Cheers,

Kermee
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kisrita:
Not yet for the second generation. We should know soon, since people are starting to receive their lte devices in the US. I haven't completely given up hope, but I'm not optimistic based on history of the first generation.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Kermee:
Strange. I didn't check mine (stupidly), took a System Update out of the box (15.5MB) so I don't know if it was there or not, but I don't see it on mine.

Is it inbetween the VPN and NFC options or did they move it somewhere else? I'm hoping the System Update I took didn't disable it...

Cheers,

Kermee
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tallon29:
Wow, I don't see it on mine either. I looked before I took the Jellybean system update and it was there, but now it isn't on mine either. wtf google
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Kermee:
Sounds like the 'update' killed it... :(

Cheers,

Kermee
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] cmstlist:
Ugh seriously?

Someone should take a screenshot before and after the update and send to Phandroid. They might me interested to know Google dangled tethering in front of device owners and then yanked it just as quickly.

Also maybe somebody who knows what they're doing should create an Xposed module to add tethering back on N73G and N7LTE.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Boomer...:
OK first off, my first post as newbie (and I'm certainly

not

a "developer")...

So I have a Nexus 7 FHD 32gb inbound and registered to this forum as a learning resource. My intention for the Nexus (my 1st tablet, BTW) is as an extension of my Palm Pre+ Verizon smartphone in combo w/ included active mobile hotspot when preferring not to use one of my laptops. Those of you familiar with Palm smartphones will know what I mean by saying; nice phone, great hotspot (IIRC, Palm developed that technology as well as wireless inductive charging) but Pre+ tiny viewing screen and even tinier slide-out qwerty keyboard is useless for me. My V-plan covers just one device/mobile number with 450 mins talk time (enough for me) unlimited smartphone data (obviously I don't use much) plus 5GB/month mobile hotspot access at no extra cost - a plan just briefly offered and long ago discontinued but grandfathered to my acct until I switch to a new phone or the Pre+ breaks.

My new 7" tablet will open all that up for me by using that hotspot with no add'l access cost or fees nor need for an LTE (4G?) version. With it, I'll be able to very clearly view internet browsers and read/send email without resorting to typing with my fingernails. I've read all posts in this thread and can't fathom why anyone would want to use a device such as 7FHD as a phone? Please school me on those benefits. Hey, I can take it!

Thanks...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ritchea:
Kermee, did you test att with tablet sim or phone sim? Curious if my att sim in nexus4 will work. Thanks.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DOHCtor:
Was your T-Mobile a mobile data plan or regular phone plan? Really interested to know. Thanks in advance.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Kermee:
Phone SIM. Though I know with AT&T, the data portion of the plan needs to explicitly be on an 'LTE' plan or else you'll get the 'Unauthorized' AT&T PayWall when you launch the browser and forced to use the 'phone' APN (HSPA) vs. 'pta' (HSPA/LTE).

For the LTE test, it was on a 'Broadband/Internet' data plan. -- I tested a 'phone' plan for another user in a different forum and the same issue people ran into using TMO on the Nexus 7 3G (2012) model exists. TMO knows the IMEI ranges of the N7 LTE to block it on non-Broadband/Internet plans. Real shame...

-- I have a Verizon LTE nano SIM for testing out of an iPhone 5, but waiting for a nano-to-microSIM adapter-tray to arrive to test.

Cheers,

Kermee
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
Just what i didn't want to hear but thanks for the word.. Now to find out if the LTE N7 has the "BUZZING" @ low volumes issue that the non LTE N7 users have documented. If so it may go back...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] gemstocks:
Tried my TMobile SG4 SIM card on this N7 I have just received today. It doesn't work. The only page browser goes is the TMobile sign on page. Everything else such as this xda app doesn't work at all.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mathieulh:
It's still there after the update on the European LTE version, right between VPN and NFC, so if it's not there on yours, it has purposefully been removed.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] cmstlist:
Intriguing. I wonder if restoring a nandroid of the European ROM onto the USA version will work fine?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mathieulh:
Probably as long as you don't restore the baseband/modem along with it. I am not sure it's compatible on both devices. In fact I do not know what sets the US LTE apart from its international counterpart software wise, besides tethering that is.

Aren't these both using " DEB " boards ?

I just sent my "about tablet" screenshot as an attachment as well as the one from the thethering menu that's still in there. Is your firmware JLS36C ?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] stanglifemike:
I wouldn't want the LTE model personally. I use my Note 2 to tether to my N7 FHD when ever I'm wanting to use it and I'm not at home. I never use public Wifi spots, I always tether! I've got 2 extra stock Samsung batteries and a 12000mah external battery with 2 usb ports, so I'm not gonna drain my phone while tethering, even if I'm away from a power outlet for 3 days! Lol. I really don't see a need to pay for an extra data plan when I can just tether for free. I'm with Sprint too, so I've got unlimited data. So I can tether all I want without worrying about how much data I'm using. My home, city, and every bordering city is blanketed in Sprint 4G LTE, so I'm already getting LTE speeds on my N7 FHD, and it's free! Some complain about Sprint's LTE coverage and/or speeds, but I guess I'm one of the lucky ones as neither are an issue for me! I've seen over 36Mbps download standing on the side deck of my house, and I average high 20's low 30's all day every day. AT&T and T-Mo are both crappy in my area anyway, so I probably wouldn't ever see LTE with that LTE banded N7 FHD anyway...

SwiftKey'ed from my White Note 2 via XDA Premium HD
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Bob Smith42:
What version(s) do you have without wifi hotspot?

Can you post screenshot of about screen?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
They did something similar with the Galaxy S4 Google Play Edition. @ launch the device could read & write to the SD card.. Once upgraded to 4.3 they removed the ability to write to the SD card, and that was less than 30 days from launch. So this seems the be the trend with Google..

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
My LTE Nexus 7 has just arrived.. Now to put it through its paces, and hope for no defects..

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Bob Smith42:
A couple people in this thread have stated wifi hotspot is not available on their Nexus 7 LTE. Yet on other threads people say LTE tethering with hotspot is available on all stock ROMs. There is *obviously* confusion.

We have *proof* of LTE tethering with hotspot on EU models thanks to mathieulh.

Yet no one has posted similar *proof* one way or the other (LTE tethering with hotspot or not) on the US model.

Can someone please post screenshots similar to mathieulh?

We need the about screen to show all versions, e.g. baseband, kernel, build. Plus settings Wireless & networks - does it show Tethering & portable hotspot.

I am going to setup my Nexus 7 LTE tonight and this information would be helpful.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] nextelbuddy:
I have a 2013 nexus 7 LTE model AMD it was updated to JLS36C the same day I received it.

Currently my settings show that I have hotspot and tethering enabled and available.

Mine is a US model I bought from Google play

I have attached screen shots.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mathieulh:
Looks like the exact same rom + baseband to me. Any chances the European and U.S. models are identical models that support the same bands and they ship those as 2 different models because of certification CE/FCC issues ? (Like not wanting to pay FCC certification for band 20 ?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Bob Smith42:
We still do not have an explanation why two people in this thread report not having tethering with wifi hotspot.

If they (or anyone similar) will post screenshots of their versions we might not have to guess like your theory. LOL
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rgb2448:
Here are the screen shots from my Nexus 7 LTE on Verizon. I have the tethering option after the update.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
I also got mine today and I can conform as well that after the update I indeed still have the ability to tether present on my device. So I'm not sure what people are seeing.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Curare:
Anyone know if my iPad AT&T SIM would work in the N7? It's unlimited data, so I would rather not lose it if I run into any funky hiccups.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] drowl87:
I can confirm that the option is not there for me. I'm using the AT&T SIM from my 2012 N7. Could it be that the SIM doesn't support LTE (not sure how to tell if I'm connected via HSPA+ or LTE) and that's why the tethering option isn't there?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] RobinD42:
Which carrier's SIM are you using? It sounds like from another thread that whether the option stays available may be dependent on the carrier. If they have control over it on their end then I suppose that it may even depend on what kind of plan that you have.

Maybe some devs will figure it out and give us a custom ROM that has it always turned on...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Bob Smith42:
Same for me.

I'm testing using an AT&T LTE SIM from a Galaxy Note 8.0, and when the SIM is installed the tethering option is gone. When removing the SIM and restarting the tethering option is back.

And, I stuck in the prepaid AT&T SIM which gives no service, because prepaid AT&T SIM accounts require you to update the IMEI on their website prior to working. Yet, with this SIM installed and no service the tethering option is still gone. So, it seems after the update possibly any SIM will disable tethering.

I do not have factory images of the version JSS15J prior to update, but testing testing tethering with it seems important now.

Update: oldblue910 mentioned checking APN settings. Hmmm....

Also, I will have to activate my T-Mobile SIM and see if tethering works. If so, then there is some work to do. LOL
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] maconsultant:
I didn't put in the T-Mobile SIM that came with it.. I am just using WiFi @ the moment.. I have also read that it is dependent on which providers SIM and maybe the plan you have. I will be using T-Mobile though so I should be alright from what I read, as its AT&T that locks out the tethering option. Come to think of it its the same as on my unlocked iPhone, with an AT&T SIM I don't have access to the tethering settings but when I put in my T-Mobile SIM it becomes available.

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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sromer:
i bought one from Jbhifi in Sydney on wednesday. Loving it so far.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] cmstlist:
OK so what we have here is users reporting that on the latest firmware, with an AT&T SIM installed, active or not, the tethering option evaporates. No such reports with a Verizon SIM.

Have we had reports with a T-Mobile SIM?

It would seem that Google has intentionally hidden tethering for N7LTE with an AT&T SIM. Possibly other carriers if anyone can confirm. I would assume if it is going by MCC/MNC codes, then AT&T MVNO SIMs would also have the same effect.