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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chris@xda:
So you want to build a kernel from scratch?

I guess we will not see the MPOP ever. It's not that phone that calls the attention of the guys that know how to work on this.

http://www.gsmarena.com/alcatel_one_touch_m'pop-5242.php

It's just a simple phone (and cheap of course) I like the DUAL SIM feature a lot, but the Android version stinks. It should be kitkat

Also known as Alcatel OT-5020D, OT-5020E, OT-5020W.

GENERAL	2G Network	GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900

GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - OT-5020D (SIM 1 & SIM 2)

3G Network	HSDPA 900 / 2100

HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100

HSDPA 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100

SIM	Optional Dual SIM (Mini-SIM)

Announced	2013, January

Status	Available. Released 2013, May

BODY	Dimensions	121.5 x 64 x 11.8 mm (4.78 x 2.52 x 0.46 in)

Weight	136.5 g (4.80 oz)

DISPLAY	Type	TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors

Size	480 x 800 pixels, 4.0 inches (~233 ppi pixel density)

Multitouch	Yes

SOUND	Alert types	Vibration; MP3 ringtones

Loudspeaker	Yes

3.5mm jack	Yes

MEMORY	Card slot	microSD, up to 32 GB

Internal	4 GB, 512 MB RAM/ 1 GB RAM (only OT-5020W model)

DATA	GPRS	Yes

EDGE	Yes

Speed	HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps

WLAN	Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Wi-Fi Direct, Wi-Fi hotspot

Bluetooth	Yes, v4.0 with A2DP

USB	Yes, microUSB v2.0

CAMERA	Primary	5 MP, 2592 x 1944 pixels, autofocus (only OT-5020W model)

Features	Geo-tagging, touch focus, face and smile detection

Video	Yes, 720p@30fps

Secondary	Yes, VGA

FEATURES	OS	Android OS, v4.1 (Jelly Bean)

Chipset	Mediatek MT6575

CPU	1 GHz Cortex-A9

GPU	PowerVR SXG531

Sensors	Accelerometer, proximity

Messaging	SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Email, IM

Browser	HTML

Radio	Stereo FM radio with RDS

GPS	Yes, with A-GPS support

Java	Yes, via Java MIDP emulator

Colors	Black, Aubergine, Cherry Red, Ocean Blue, Slate, Hot Pink, Tangerine, Turquoise, Apple Green, Pure White

- SNS integration

- MP3/AAC+/WAV/WMA player

- MP4/H.264 player

- Document viewer

- Photo viewer/editor

- Organizer

- Voice memo

- Predictive text input

BATTERY	Li-Ion 1400 mAh battery

Stand-by	Up to 400 h (2G) / Up to 410 h (3G)

Talk time	Up to 13 h 30 min (2G) / Up to 13 h (3G)

MISC	SAR EU	1.04 W/kg (head) 1.31 W/kg (body)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ch4rls:
Up! Up!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
Interesting results here. Everybody has been saying the G2 is quicker and better then Note 3 and I must say I am quite shocked with these findings so far

http://thedroidguy.com/2013/09/sams...-sony-xperia-z1-vs-lg-g2-benchmark-comparison
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pham818:
i dont care. n3 is the better phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
oh i dont disagree i agree 100% that is why i have a note 3 coming and im not stopping at verizon today to see the overrated g2!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Blackwolf10:
hah G2 is like a on screen buttoned Galaxy S4 LG is copying Samsung on many things these days -_-
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
I know right! everything almost looks the same. Its like there are a dev and just made a rooted s4 with some new ui looks!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's a potential difference. There are two versions of S-800; MSM8974 and MSM8974AB. Here's AnandTech's take...

Xiaomi makes the first (to my knowledge) public disclosure of MSM8974AB, which is analogous to the changes we saw between APQ8064 and APQ8064AB. From 8974 to 8974AB, Adreno 330 GPU clocks climb from 450 MHz to 550 MHz, LPDDR3 memory interface maximum data rates go from 800 MHz to 933 MHz, and the ISP clock domain (I think Xiaomi might mean the Hexagon DSP here) goes from 320 MHz to 465 MHz. 8974 comes in both a bin with the 4 Krait 400 CPUs clocked at 2.2 GHz (really 2.15 GHz) and 2.3 GHz (2.26 GHz) with slightly different pricing, while 8974AB comes with a Krait 400 clock available only at 2.3 GHz. Process is still TSMC 28nm HPM, but I suspect that the AB variant might have the high k dielectric and/or transistor mix tuned slightly differently based on a few rumblings I've heard recently.​

The S-600 in the SGS4 was "AB" so the the S-800 in the N3 might be also. We'll find out when more detailed reviews start to come out.

From AnandTech discussing the SGS4's S-600 chip...

That brings us to the Galaxy S 4. It's immediately apparent that something is different here because Samsung is shipping the Snapdragon 600 at a higher frequency than any other OEM. The Krait 300 cores in SGS4 can run at up to 1.9GHz vs. 1.7GHz for everyone else. Curiously enough, 1.9GHz is the max frequency that Qualcomm mentioned when it first announced Snapdragon 600.

Samsung is obviously a very large customer, so at first glance we assumed it could simply demand a better bin of Snapdragon 600 than its lower volume competitors. Looking a bit deeper however, we see that the Galaxy S 4 uses something different entirely.

Digging through the Galaxy S 4 kernel source we see references to an APQ8064AB part. As a recap, APQ8064 was the first quad-core Krait 200 SoC with no integrated modem, more commonly referred to as Snapdragon S4 Pro. APQ8064T was supposed to be its higher clocked/Krait 300 based successor that ended up with the marketing name Snapdragon 600. APQ8064AB however is, at this point, unique to the Galaxy S 4 but still carries the Snapdragon 600 marketing name.

If we had to guess, we might be looking at an actual respin of the APQ8064 silicon in APQ8064AB. Assuming Qualcomm isn't playing any funny games here, APQ8064AB may simply be a respin capable of hitting higher frequencies. We'll have to keep a close eye on this going forward, but it's clear to me that the Galaxy S 4 is shipping with something different than everyone else who has a Snapdragon 600 at this point.​
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
so could be why we are seeing higher scores in the test note 3?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Techweed:
Why are people knocking the G2? It's the second fastest device on the market. It has an amazing screen area ratio and a very nice battery. It's camera is also one of the best. I would never consider it because I can never go back below 5.5 inches and I can't stand on screen buttons. But that phone should make a lot of people very happy.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
im not saying its not a nice phone but nothing that "wows" me. It looks worse then Touch Wiz not a huge fan of but its ok (sense is my fav), the phone doesnt have sdcard and removable battery also a no no (why i didnt buy htc one), Note 3 has better specs with an spen and loads of new features. G2 looks like a rooted S4 running a launcher and i wasnt impressed by S4. So with that being said this is just a tad faster S4 with same look almost. Now Note 3 you may say is same look as S4 while it is, it at least carries an sdcard and removable battery and the dev support should be behind sammy. Also i do remember LG making an Intuition, revolution, lucid? whatever happened to those? oh thats right they fell through the cracks. LG just cant compete with samsung, htc, or even motorola right now
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CLARiiON:
Everybody? Who's saying that?

BTW, that article is useless. They are combining results from various places - PhoneArena/GSMArena etc.,

They took GN3 numbers from here: http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-first-benchmarks-scores-of-samsung-galaxy-note-3-are-in/

They also added some from PhoneArena: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBwq0iAoVzQ

One major thing everyone forgets is that running benchmark from display models in launch events is plain wrong.

A] Most phones in such events (IFA, CES, MWC) are always charging. You should never benchmark when the phones is charging.

B] Have you ever seen any 'reviewer' in those shows to reboot the phone before running benchmarks? These display phones are abused by tech-journos. Tons of things would be running in the background. Yes, nobody bothers to clear the memory by rebooting it once. What's the point of such benchmark? Not to talk about thermal envelope after using these phones continuously.

C] G2 running release firmware, rest 2 phones running pre-release version.

(IMO) AnTuTu shouldn't be considered as a good benchmark. A benchmark tool must provide consistent repeatable result. If you run AnTuTu 5 times, I guarantee you that you will get variable result most times. No wonder AT doesn't like using AnTuTu.

Benchmarks never killed a phone :angel::angel:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
I hate benchmarks at events and real life situations is where it's at. We just need to wait till some more note 3 make it into the wild
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dscline:
Why would anyone say that? No one even has the Note 3, so we have to default to expectations. Why would anyone expect the the similar but faster clocked phone to be slower?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Show "anyone" this. ;) All the tests were conducted by the same source; GSMArena.

Benchmark PI

AnTuTu

Linpack

Egypt (Offscreen)

T-Rex (Offscreen)

Sunspider
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
no g2 on that list though
[Galaxy Note 3 General] CLARiiON:
Enjoy -- http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g2-review-982p5.php
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Oops, I thought "anyone" was saying the N2 was faster than the N3. My bad.

Here's the G2 numbers, again all from a single source; GSMArena.

Benchmark PI

Linpack

AnTuTu

Egypt (Offscreen)

T-Rex (Offscreen)

Sunspider

In case anyone's bummed about the lower AnTuTu score here's a score taken from a production unit that was reviewed by a Russian site. GSMArena conducted their tests on demo units at the Berlin launch event. Based on these scores I'd bet anyone here the N3 is using a "AB" chip where the XZ Ultra and LG G2 aren't. So, at least for the time being, the N3's the fastest Android device on the planet.

But not to be a buzz kill, the SGS4 got fantastic benchmarks but had some lag in early s/w releases due to the ton-'O-crap Samsung had loaded on it. It improved over time and the N3 has more RAM so I'm hoping benchmarks translate in to "feel."

http://translate.googleusercontent....v.html&usg=ALkJrhha6VTm0y89eM70OxVC5rPRLSw6nw
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
thanks man! and i cant wait to get my hands on one! and dont know who would keep a n2 over the n3 lol
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Dan37tz:
All I know is that my S4 always benches higher than my HTC One. S4 using the "higher" binned S600.

In real world use, the HTC One felt twice as fast as the S4. Even rooted and running a custom debloated rom and kernel overclocked to 2.1GHz, the S4 still was laggy and much MUCH slower than a stock HTC One. The S4 would lag and stutter all over the place despite showing the superior numbers so I now take benchmarks with a grain of salt.

I'm really hoping Samsung gets it together and instead of just showing higher benchmark numbers, actually perform in real world use like the numbers indicate.

I'm using an LG G2 right now while waiting for my GNote3, so far I am IN LOVE with the G2. It's hands down the fastest device I've ever used, Nothing slows this thing down and I have yet to encounter a hint of lag or micro stuttering. Battery life matches or exceeds my Note 2 which I thought was incredible, I'm not too worried about the non-removable battery anymore. The screen is by far the best display I have seen, and the camera is amazingly good with OIS. In my opinion the S4 is not even in the same league as the G2, hardware or software wise. I really loved my Note 2 and have my fingers crossed the Note 3 doesn't have the incredibly frustrating laggy experience that plagued both my S4's. I would really love to keep the Note 3 as my main device because I actually use the S-pen a lot.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
The G2 could be considered a "next gen" phone because of S-800 and the additional features LG's provided. The One and SGS4 with S-600 are previous generation phones. Sadly for SGS_ owners, their device is released before the N_ is and Samsung learns from issues with the SGS_ what not to do in the N_. The SGS3 Exynos with 1GB of RAM vs 2GB in the N2 is a good example.

I share your fears though. The launch s/w on the SGS4 was pretty bad. But I'm hoping that 3GB of RAM, S-800 "AB," and "lessons learned" will make the N3 as big an improvement over the SGS4 as the N2 was over the SGS3. I had no issues with the stock unrooted performance of the N2.

As for "fastest" that's subjective. I don't personally get off on millisecond faster screen transitions as much as I do on 30% faster browser performance which Sunspider indicates the N3 achieves over the G2. Where Samsung phones are "fast" for me is in how, through their features, they allow me to get stuff done faster and in ways I can't with other manufacturer’s devices.

I also don't consider the G2 in anyway a competitor to the N3. One's clearly a "phone" and the other's clearly a "phablet" with S Pen/S Note making the difference even greater. And the G2's lack of expandable storage is a step back not forward. That and the non-removable battery take it off my shopping list even if I were considering a "phone."
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thekoRngear:
For the "AB" thing, I think, then, Note 3 is supposed to have Adreno 330 clocked at 550 MHz. Have you find any info regarding that?

Apart from your buying preference, if it were for the image stabilization how'd you see Note 3 over G2 in terms of "smart stabilization" vs OIS?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
I'm making the assumption it's AB purely based on the benchmarks against the XZ Ultra and LG G2; especially graphics performance. That and if it's available and being used by Xiaomi that with Samsung's buying power and importance to Qualcomm it would seem like a logical assumption the N3 would be using it. They also used the AB version of S-600 in the SGS4 where others didn't. We'll have to wait for someone like GSMArena or AnandTech to confirm it to be sure.

For those wondering about lag, check out this unboxing video from GSMArena. I'm assuming it's a production version by the way it's boxed. They promise more detailed info soon. Are you guys as impressed by the performance (at least without apps loaded) as I am?

[YOUTUBE]VtIltT8naUY[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy Note 3 General] KruseLudsMobile:
That's what his post says DERP

- R. Kruse Ludington

Current owner of: Verizon 32GB Samsung Galaxy S III (SCH-1535). Previous owner/hacker of: O2 XDA, O2 XDA II, Cingular HTC 8525, AT&T HTC Tilt, T-Mobile HTC Touch Pro 2, T-Mobile HTC HD2, Verizon Motorola Droid X, Verizon Samsung Galaxy Nexus
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Jammol:
Why are specs even being compared for phones that pretty much run the same damn hardware with the exception of the Ram on the N3.

Cellphones are becoming like the Computer scene. Soon it'll faze away and then we'll be able to communicate with telepathy, lol. jk.

I'm getting the N3 as much as I wasn't impressed with the S3 and S4. Luckily for me the N3 is going to be for work so I won't have to worry much about impressions. My LG OG Pro does the trick!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Ace42:
Honestly all of them will run android at 60fps, we're reaching a point where the power isn't fully required by the software. I only use 2 cores on my nexus and don't notice a difference from 4 cores. I haven't used a S800 device yet so I can't comment on how much quicker they "feel" in daily usage. I would only expect differences amounting to like 5 seconds or whatever. The N3, g2, etc are relatively close in terms of software, what's important is how the OEMS will optimize them(they won't do moto x level of opt, these flagships are only temporary).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Billy Madison:
Oh, well. for ppl like you even Optimus G will look like rooted Galaxy S2 with a launcher. How pathetic you all are

Don't you remember LG made Nexus 4 or, maybe just maybe, LG Nitro?

You wish!

Dream on

LG sells more than HTC and Moto combined
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Nice. If all LG fans are like you their forums are going to be tons of fun. :rolleyes:

They also made the O2/G2X which was the subject of a class action lawsuit that's still pending in CA. I was one of the lucky owners and lost a couple of hundred dollars selling a phone that would reboot itself randomly in the middle of business conference calls due to a circuitry/battery issue that affected all the phone's built.

I'm thrilled that LG and Sony are both upping their game and producing competitive phones people want to own. It's fantastic that LG got chosen to build the N4 and N5 too. But I'm sure you remember the cluster-f surrounding the launch of the N4 because of manufacturing and distribution issues.

LG's made great strides but look at the G2's Sunspider score which is determined by manufacturer s/w tuning. It, the Z1/Ultra, and N3 are all using forms of the same processor so LG's still got a lot of s/w ground to make up.

Sunspider

​

The toughest thing for Sony and LG and what killed HTC is the pressure from Samsung at the high-end and the Chinese at the low end. That's a tough place to be. The advantage Motorola has is the endless supply of cash from their owner, Google, so their future is guaranteed. Before crowing about a comeback let's see what LG and Sony's profits from mobile look like over the next 24 months. If they're respectable and they gain market share then we can pat them both on the back and congratulate them for their miraculous comebacks.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Umm, unless my eyes are deceiving me, I see the usual Samsung ui lag in that video and every other Note 3 video that I've seen. Touchwiz is poorly optimized and no amount of specs will fix it.

It's funny that everyone here is obsessing about benchmarks when real world performance is a lag and stutter fest. I couldn't get rid of my S4 fast enough. And this is coming from someone who owned a Droid Charge, S3, Note 2 and S4.

I gave Samsung a good chance. I won't go back to them until they optimize their software and stop releasing phones with different cpu's which makes it much more difficult to optimize the software. It's not a coincidence that the international S4 runs faster and smoother than the US S4. I'm over it.

And by the way, the G2 absolutely annihilates the S4 in real world performance, forget synthetic benchmarks. I use my phone in the real world. And from the looks of all the Note 3 videos, nothing has changed.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
I don't want to come across as a schmuck, but where in the video were you seeing lag? I just watched it again and the only delay I saw was when the spinning wheel came up when saving content to the scrapbook. Things like pinching to display mini-views of multiple home pages and opening and closing windows looked great to me. S Note and Action Memo which are probably related are

big

applications. Since there aren't really any competitive alternatives I'd take a few milliseconds of lag in order to be able to use them. It's kind of hard to fault Samsung for the performance of certain features no one else offers. Maybe I'm being too generous to the N3 because the speed at which it handles some of the same stuff I use on the N2 seems pretty amazing based on that video. But what do I know? I’m perfectly content with the N2’s overall performance. We'll know soon enough what the real-world assessment of the N3's performance is when it's in people's hands in two weeks.

If an S-800 device can't annihilate an S-600 device something's seriously wrong with whoever built it. ;)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
First of all, most benchmark results are useless, what counts is the user experience on a daily basis...

Secondly, I think you didn't properly read the conclusion of the article posted by yourself :

And once again, don't waste your time comparing all kind of benchmark results, wait until the beasts hit the showrooms, play with them and take your own conclusions

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] CLARiiON:
All LG did in it's entire life was to copy Samsung. The only 'original' thing LG did was to put a button at the back.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] systoxity:
see atrix 4g.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
Ya think? ;)

But I don't blame them. No matter what anyone on XDA says Samsung's devices sell. They and Apple share 95% of mobile device profits while a dozen or so others compete for scraps. Apple's pretty sure Samsung's success came from being copied so if LG copies Samsung to sell phones who would blame them? There's a certain karmic twist to it also. :)

I think LG did a good job on the G2. A 5.2" display in a standard phone form factor is pretty impressive. Expandable storage got lost along the way which may bite them in the butt but it still appears to be a good effort.

Well said and agreed.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Billy Madison:
And so? All other companies just made ideal smartphones never issuing glitches? Wasn't you aware of Volumegate of Galaxy Nexus, was you? Or burning iphone 5, or similar burning Galaxy Ss? Or cracking displays of SGS4? Have you heard of bad cheap displays in Xperia Z? All companies do it. G2X was maybe faulty, it just happens, but LG'd learned something

No, it's not fantastic, Samsung is too fat to provide Nexus with good quality iron and distinctive design. Remind me of quantities of Galaxy Nexus sales, wouldn't you mind? Like 1M pieces. Samsung crippled everything in Nexus so all would buy Galaxys S

And Google looked at it and thought "Look. They don't respect our Nexus brand. Let's find another manufacturer"

No, not the same processor and you know it. The Sammy's has higher binned AB QSD800 with higher clocked GPU and DDR3 933 memory instead of simple DDR3 800MHz in Sony and LG. That's where most Note's sinspider advantage comes from. In other tests "optimized" Samsung's software doesn't shows such much difference and advantage
[Galaxy Note 3 General] BarryH_GEG:
So did I.

Or is it because Samsung didn't want to work on the lower margins they'd receive by devoting manufacturing capacity to a Nexus that they could otherwise use themselves?

Compare Nexus phones in this chart to others. Kind of like pissing in the ocean, no? And even at insanely cheap prices the N4 didn't dramatically outsell the GN.

Google could give two craps about Nexus h/w. It's less than 1/10 of 1% of their revenue. Samsung's Google's best friend because the more Android devices Samsung gets people to buy using their $12B annual marketing and promotion budget the more Google benefits by increasing their advertising user base and being able to sell more content via Play.

LG rules!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] betoNL:
That's weird...

The tiltle of this thread indicates interesting new reviewS, but there are no indications of any interesting review on first post....

:eek:

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
yeah they sold more then the nations top ranked and best phone the htc one right right let me know where you get your stats from. Apple Iphone 5C will probably outsell samsung, htc and motorola and oh yeah top dog LG too

yeah right buddy
[Galaxy Note 3 General] oneandroidnut:
the link is in the first post.........