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[Galaxy Note II General] panonski:
I must confirm - gorilla glass on note 2 sucks

So,

I must confirmed that Gorilla glass on my Note 2, have scratches.

what is sad here ? I WATCH FOR MY PHONE VERY CAREFULLY.

nOT even once ( or maybe once or twice ) it was in my pocket with other stuffs like coins or keys. ž

I took out my folie, because I've burned it with cigarete, and I did't like it. So my phone was about three, or four weeks without screenprotector.

YET, I found little scratches on it.

CONFUSED .

I watched some movies on you tube, with Note 2, and S3, the guy was simultainesly hit screens of two devices WITH VERY BIG KNIFE.

Non scratches was found.

I cary the phone for three weeks, 2,3 hours per day, in emty pocket and YET GET SCRATCHES !!!

if this is gorilla glass, I'm a monkey :eek:
[Galaxy Note II General] NightHawkUndead:
Dirt and sand in your pocket can scratch the glass. The glass is scratch resistant NOT scratch proof. Any glass will scratch under certain situations
[Galaxy Note II General] panonski:
IS THAT SO ?

:laugh:

It's not scratches from sand for sure. ...

THE MAIN POINT IS....GORILLA GLASS DOESN'T DO THE JOB.

or it does in some cheap way.... Let's be honest
[Galaxy Note II General] FinancialWar:
People forgot the word "glass" in gorilla glass.

Glass break, gorilla glass makes it harder to break, but still breaks.
[Galaxy Note II General] panonski:
sorry Dude, but Note 2, have tinner glass.....Obviously it is A NOT GOOD PRODUCT.

I hate the most when someone have answers like yours . READ WHAT I WROTE !

three weeks in almost always emty pocket !

SCRATCHES !
[Galaxy Note II General] FinancialWar:
I don't have a single scratch on my Note 2 after using it for 6 months. So I don't what you're talking about.
[Galaxy Note II General] samwoods:
scratch resistant doesn't mean drop-on-the-floor-proof
[Galaxy Note II General] cybot_x1024:
if you the lcd and digitiser still function you can replace the top glass for just ~$20. You dont have to replace the entire assembly. Check this video out to know what i am talking about.

http://youtu.be/NtaBVQSA6sM

hope this helps
[Galaxy Note II General] Crussader87:
Let's see, even if english is not my mother tongue, I know the difference between SCRATCH and HIT.

As they told you, gorilla glass is SCRATCH resistant, so if it falls it has nothing to do, the difference is that is harder (not impossible) to get scratches with the normal use than other screens without it, and I can ASSURE you that it does its work.
[Galaxy Note II General] albsat:
I have some thin scratches at my screen after using the phone carefully for two months. Very disappointed.
[Galaxy Note II General] badanas:
I only have one and i did it working and is very very small, I can see only with sunlight.

My phone has 10 months and i never used screen protector
[Galaxy Note II General] panonski:
Personally I think this Gorilla glass ( on this phone I can judge only ) have weeker products and better products on Note 2.

Someone have hardener, and someone softener glass on his phone. I think this various from phone unit to phone unit.

When I saw this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFdJOBOI3lY

I was thinking there is no way to scratch it with carefull use. And after just three weeks of very, very carefully use, BUM...scratches...
[Galaxy Note II General] pouetmimi:
One of my friends thought like you. I took his note 2 and show him the scratches. He has a lot of little one.

To see it you have to look at a white screen, little "rainbows" appear.

Not a big deal but still scratches.
[Galaxy Note II General] apallohadas:
Take better care of your 600 dollar investment.

Through some miracle I suppose, my phone doesn't have any scratches.

I also have a good screen protector because I'm realistic.
[Galaxy Note II General] xdapao3:
I have NEVER used cases or screen protectors (hate them both with a passion) on my Galaxy S, SII, Note and current Note II and I do use the heck out of them. Also dropped each of them several times: never broke the phones, never a scratch on the display. Just very minor cosmetic wear and tear on the body at the end of their "life" with me (kept each of them a year on average, the Note I kept for 15 months).

When it hits at the right angle Gorilla glass breaks, it's still glass after all.

When scratched hard enough with a hard and small enough material Gorilla glass scratches, it's still glass after all.

All in all I am VERY happy with the build quality and the materials used on the four Galaxy smartphones I have owned/own.

Screw cases, screw screen protectors, screw stupid scrap metal bodies, screw stupid glass backplates, give me Samsung "flimsy and cheap plastic" and keep for yourselves those "superior, premium materials" which need cases LOL
[Galaxy Note II General] hockeyfan:
Haha, this thread reminds me of this recent T-Mobile commercial. :D
[Galaxy Note II General] foxmeister:
Here is an absolutely undeniable fact for you.

The glass on your phone has been in contact with something that is harder than the glass itself. That is the way that scratches appear.

Whilst your pocket may have been empty to you, chances are it had some sand or grit it that was harder than the Gorilla Glass.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note II General] amerkiller1995:
If it was empty, you wouldn't have scratches. Take better care of your expensive phone.
[Galaxy Note II General] dcpathak:
I'm sorry to break the bubble guys but Note 2 doesn't have a Gorilla Glass. Please see the link below:

http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/samsung

someone at this forum later got a message from corning saying note 2 has GG. Link:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=41203948&highlight=gorilla+glass#post41203948

but still if it has it at all, why the Corning's website doesn't mention that!
[Galaxy Note II General] tuxonhtc:
Get a Nokia 3310 FFS. This is scratch resistant, but a grain of sand somewhere and it's very scratchable. And I don't trust you that you were absolutely certain that there was no sand. Whether or not it has Gorilla Glass is besides the point, but even GG3 would scratch with sand.
[Galaxy Note II General] berkos:
For all of you guys watching on youtube other people beating the phone with knife or a scalpel, yeah most probably it wont scratch the glass, most of these types of items are softer then out screens but as other posted sand grains, dirt and dust have particles which are harder than glass even gorilla glass. If they invent glass which can withstand rubbing with sandpaper that will be true scratch proof glass :) for now just use screen protectors if you are anal about it; )
[Galaxy Note II General] apallohadas:
Why bother to claim that it doesn't then DOES have gorilla glass?
[Galaxy Note II General] abbott10k:
Guys it'll all depend on what angle it falls on. My Note 1 has been dropped several times including on very course asphalt and even has huge dents by the screen and corners of the phones, last weekend I dropped my Note 2 which fortunately has a plastic/rubber casing and no damage was done. A couple of months back i dropped my cousins S3 on the same surface I've dropped my other 2 phones and it cracked the glass but had no dents on the housing. So it's all about angle, surface and luck. As for scratches I think you'd be naive to think that you can go day to day months on end without getting a single scratch on it! Gorilla Glass or not, use a screen protector as it does make a huge difference to the screens condition.
[Galaxy Note II General] spycedtx:
How is it we're STILL having these conversations?! Scratch resistant doesn't mean scratch proof. If you don't have a screen protector, you're very likely to end up with rainbow scratches. You can't deny that, look at all the people complaining about having them. They're the ones who don't have a protector. Those of us who do have no rainbow scratches.

***** all you want about the quality of the glass, if it does or doesnt have gg2, or how stupid it is to use a screen protector. Just do it somewhere else, because it's not going to change the facts, or anything else.

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[Galaxy Note II General] panonski:
I wonder how come that some of users here defending Note...

Guess what, I have my opinion about this glass. Gorilla or not.

Point is.... POINT IS.... Nobody haven't told us THIS GLASS IS SO SENSITIVE ABOUT LITLLE DUST !

( WHAT AM I ? INGEENER with microscope, TO SEE IS THERE ANY SAND IN THE DUST OF MY POCKET ??? )

I was not on the beach... So, let's BE HONEST !

IT IS A NOT SO GOOOOD PRODUCT HERE.

and those of you who came here to argue with " why you didn't bought screenprotector" argument I have one word... IT'S NOT THE POINT HERE.

Find a brain for god sake
[Galaxy Note II General] amerkiller1995:
Learn to spell for God's sake. Every phone is prone to scratches, Note 2 is no exception. The screen is a bit tougher than usual, that's it. It isn't scratch proof.
[Galaxy Note II General] spycedtx:
Geebuz. Calm down. It's a known thing, perhaps to everyone but you, glass is going to scratch. All phones have always scratched.

When you're done throwing your temper tantrum, please come back for rational conversations.

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[Galaxy Note II General] bushako:
Hopefully soon they'll start releasing sapphire glass screens. BTW my note 2 got tiny scratches even with the screen protector on. Have to be very carefully when applying screen protectors and making sure no dust gets left in between the protector and screen.
[Galaxy Note II General] tweeny80:
Remind me to never let you hold my phone !
[Galaxy Note II General] abbott10k:
:laugh:just so you know, it's not done intentionally, but I've dropped a lot of phones, especially new ones!:D
[Galaxy Note II General] rihaad:
Just a little comment. I find my Note 2 much much more suceptible to scratch than my old Nokia e7 which was Gorilla Glass also. Iam convinced that Gorilla Glass 2 is not as hard as GG 1.
[Galaxy Note II General] apallohadas:
Upon what proof do you make the statement? It just feels softer?

Come on folks! Use science!
[Galaxy Note II General] Nurra:
later samsung's phone screen does tent to break easily. I posted a thread on S2 section sometime ago about me throwing the S2 on the ground and not only the screen didn't break, the phone survived.
[Galaxy Note II General] gub:
Gorilla glass is very tough compared to other kinds of glass, especially considered how thin it is. But beside that, it is not that different from typical window glass.

As for the screen shattering after a drop, luck plays a big part in it : the energy of the fall has to go somewhere, and if that somewhere is the screen, then it doesn't take much break it.

As for scratches, AFAIK, gorilla glass has a Mohs hardness of about 6-7. It means that most metals (including your keys) won't scrach it, even if you insist. However, sand may scratch it and diamond jewelry definitely will.

If you want significantly better scratch resistance, you need sapphire (Mohs hardness 9), which isn't without its own set of problems.
[Galaxy Note II General] panonski:
THAT'S THE REAL TRUTH :good:

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use science, hahahhahahha, what a silly folk you are

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About the SAND AND DIAMONDS

Hahhahha, I just must laugh on this ! Ok, let see it.

Even Diamnods and also sand must be PUSHED ON SCREEN VERY THIGT ! to leave trail or scratch.

Is there any possibility to make that happened ??? IN MY CASE - BIG NO

My empty pocket in which I carry my Note 2, was very COMFORT, and if any sand was there in some corner, I just couldn't imagine how can scratch it, because you must use some FORCE to do that.

Let's be "scientist" on that :D
[Galaxy Note II General] abbott10k:
Where do you see a stated that you need to use force to make scratches with sand and diamonds? And just coz you don't see the sand grains in your pocket does NOT mean they aren't there! You need to grow a brain and realize no glass is actually scratch proof. Even the thumb you use to scroll through your phone might have grains of sand stuck on and you can't see. Unless you can prove without reasonable doubt that you never had or never will have a single grain of sand in your pocket with your note then your argument is pointless. Can you say you've never used a cloth to wipe clean your screen? was that cloth clean? Is your skin on your face always clean when you answer your phone? If not then expect minor scratches.:rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note II General] Sandata:
Theres nothing special with gorilla glass its good as the one you found on chinese phone
[Galaxy Note II General] apallohadas:
He apparently lives in a sand free bubble that also doesn't have a spell checker.
[Galaxy Note II General] abbott10k:
:laugh:
[Galaxy Note II General] rihaad:
I dont need to proof you anything, u can believe it or not.

The proof for me is my experience I had, thats all.

By the way, if u dont believe me check out their white papers for Gg1 and GG2. There its stated that the Vickers value for Gorilla Glass one is greater than for GG2. Vickers value is an indication fir hardness. But the rest of science u can do yourself ;)
[Galaxy Note II General] amerkiller1995:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1866049
[Galaxy Note II General] Fattalni:
Sry guys

I've been using my note2 for 10 months now, no screen protector, puro case,back pocket, not a single tiny scratch.
[Galaxy Note II General] thedadio:
O used mine with no protecror for one week. In and oit of my pocket. 2 5mm scratches. Gutted. Havent been anywhere near sand or diamonds
[Galaxy Note II General] apallohadas:
Then I choose not to believe you. Much as I choose not to believe anyone saying that they live in a silica free environment.

It's more simple to claim that you have 'soft glass' than to admit negligence in not protecting your device.
[Galaxy Note II General] spycedtx:
Can we get this stupid thread closed?

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[Galaxy Note II General] panonski:
why? :cowboy:
[Galaxy Note II General] zkyevolved:
I completely agree. It's obvious that GG is stronger that normal glass. But they keep making it thinner, which makes it easier to BREAK but they keep adding layers to make it harder to SCRATCH. Not UNBREAKABLE nor is it made to be SCRATCHPROOF. Come on guys! Use some common sense! It's glass!

I don't care if they make it 99% unbreakable with a hammer, I'll always use a screen protector because my phone cost me 550 euro back when it came out, and the screen protectors cost 10 for a dollar, and I'm on my second screen protector almost a year later. Scratch free and scuff free.

So if you want to take your phone with no protection, that's fine. But everything scratches and everything breaks. ESPECIALLY glass. You'll eventually scratch the screen even with stuff in your pocket just from transfer (from whatever to your hands, from your hands to your pocket). That's why I don't take a chance and both my phone and the screen are in perfect condition because I use a case and a screen protector. Holds up very nicely too for resale ;) But I doubt I'll sell my Note 2. It was a present from a loved one ^.^
[Galaxy Note II General] Optimistic Pessimist:
It's not so much that its Gorilla Glass 1 or 2, but more in the way that they manufactured/applied it. In regards to the Note 2, the Gorilla glass 2 was made with curved edges, for design and aesthetics. Also since GG2 is made 20% thinner than GG1 yet equally as tough, it allowed the Note 2 to either accommodate thicker/additional internal components and/or minimise its potential footprint.

The curved edges places the screen under more tension than say if it was made perfectly flat (i.e the screen used in i9100 is not curved), thus making it more susceptible to stress/impacts.
[Galaxy Note II General] panonski:
Look guys,

Nobody here doesn't speak that GG2 is unscracthable or unbreakable....

NOBODY. SO PLEASE YOUR ARGUMENTS MOVE ONE STEP FURTHER.

I was sayin' that GG2 on this phone obviously wasn't acomplished expectaions which I have from this product,

because I was really carry my phone.

Even simple plastic would do better here.

I'm kind of dissapointed....Can you understand that?
[Galaxy Note II General] Optimistic Pessimist:
Plastic would be scratched even more than Gorilla Glass 2, so I don't understand your comment.

If you really cared about your device, a simple screen protector (made from PET) would have prevented any scratches in the first place.

Yes, we all understand that your disappointed, but that could have been prevented with a simple screen protector
[Galaxy Note II General] DiogoCV:
i have my note 2 since december 2012, without screen protector and I do not have any scratch on my screen, yet i'm very carefull with it. Had a screen protector but s-pen wouldn't slide as it slides without it, so removed it, and it's perfect! No complain about note 2 screen at all
[Galaxy Note II General] zkyevolved:
Really? What screen protector did you use? I use those eBay ones (like 10 for a dollar or two dollars). I use my S-Pen every day and it works fine on those.

On an older tablet I had I used those Invisible Shield screen protectors and took it off because the digital pen wouldn't side. It would get stuck due to the traction it gave. Lame. So even though those Chinese ones are just plastic, they're a million times better! But I'm glad to hear that your note is fine :)
[Galaxy Note II General] panonski:
some stu_id fuc_ks here doesn't understand there is an obvious difference between Gorilla glass 1 and Gorilla glass 2.

so let's talk again

http://forums.wpcentral.com/nokia-lumia-920/215561-gorilla-glass-1-2-3-a.html
[Galaxy Note II General] apallohadas:
You should always feel free to take all 14 of your insightful posts and leave XDA.
[Galaxy Note II General] amerkiller1995:
All I see is opinions, not facts.
[Galaxy Note II General] junaidzaib:
Haha.
[Galaxy Note II General] avenging:
the same thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago, kinda expected it to crack though and the phone was naked, now i feel foolish for having replaced the glass cover with an inferior replacement (told it was original but apparently not!). thing is the digitizer and the screen still worked perfectly well even when cracked lol. Now that i had it replaced i should have gone to a samsung store and had it fixed there.

regrets regrets
[Galaxy Note II General] Leyson:
Yeah, I'm quite upset with gorilla glass performance. My note 2 has a little bit scratch because of dirt and ash. Hope they can develop some glass more reliable. So we don't need to put extra protection again.
[Galaxy Note II General] apallohadas:
Silica particles can be in dirt.

What would you suggest that is harder that can still be seen through?

Oh and it can't cost a fortune like sapphire glass.
[Galaxy Note II General] mezo91:
It is funny that in my country they sell genuine samsung galaxy note 3 screen protectors
[Galaxy Note II General] M3gabyte:
I have also had i problem with gorilla. i have now put a zag protector on it for about a year now i just replaced a week ago and i have orderd an otterbox
[Galaxy Note II General] DiogoCV:
note 2 gorilla glass and phone construction quality

I should remind you guys that these phones are not indestructible, the gorilla glass is made resist for some eventual damage or some eventual dirt on screen, in my point of view its obvious that if you let your phone out there or if you're not carefull with it you will always get something broken.

Well its true that there are some things in note 2 that could be better such as the crome frame arround it, the battery prtector is not steady if I squeeze in the superior left corner I get an annoying noise.

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I should remind you guys that these phones are not indestructible, the gorilla glass is made resist some eventual damage or some eventual dirt on screen, in my point of view its obvious that if you let your phone out there or if you're not carefull with it you will always get something broken.

Well its true that there are some things in note 2 that could be better such as the crome frame arround it, the battery prtector is not steady if I squeeze in the superior left corner I get an annoying noise.
[Galaxy Note II General] grk007:
My friends has lumia phones..they never put screen guards..I never seen single scratches in their display..they also put in jeans pockts etc etc.. even I tot of removing my screen guard after seeing them as gorilla glass r same..but after reading this thread am thinking twice..:confused:

Sent From my beast Samsung Galaxy Note ll
[Galaxy Note II General] ytgbg:
I'm confused, so there is not a gorrila glass on n7100 or not. As far as I kniw there is not offici statement from Samsung for Gorilla Glass on Note 2...
[Galaxy Note II General] klee2000:
That Sapphire glass supposed to be stronger than gorilla.
[Galaxy Note II General] DiogoCV:
My note 2 screen has no scratch and I do not use screen protector, I had "Spigen" screen protector, but note 2's original screen is better as it is and I decided to remove it, no regrets so far. It's like i said before, you must be careful anyways with your phone.
[Galaxy Note II General] manushyan:
My first gorilla glass device was Nokia C7. After using for about 6 months I detected a small scratch. Later I bought Galaxy S2, S3 and both developed scratch in less than 6 months use. I never dropped any of the above. Then I bought Note 2 and the first thing I did was to install a screen protector. Now I realise its a wise investment. I like to use my phone as it is. I dont like to decorate it with cases and protectors. But finally had to. :o
[Galaxy Note II General] Mashed_Potatoes:
Err.....it's GLASS, not rubber. What did you expect? To bounce off? Glass is strong, but brittle.
[Galaxy Note II General] Henchman007:
Gorilla glass requires monkey case to function well.;)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g3lux:
Why my /system particion is 496MB (Total)? Shouldn't be bigger? Because my SGS2 as 16GB internal memory.

I'm using Slim Bean 4.2.2 Dorimanx 9.40

Thanks
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beardedwonder:
You have 16GB for everything that is stored on your internal sd card, so if you add up system, data etc. and your internal sd card space you should get 16GB.

As far as I know system is only used to store the ROM so the developers have just made it the size that they need, your apps are stored in data
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g3lux:
And there is a way to make /system bigger, some roms might need more /system to function properly. Or /system size depends on the rom?

Out of subject, but is there a way to move apps to external sdcard (/storage/sdcard1), because if I choose to move apps to sdcard it doesn't move to the external sdcard...

Thanks
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MistahBungle:
Exactly. I'm not about to tell some n00b who has no idea what they're doing how to do it & then deal with the tears afterwards. If you want to, knock yourself out.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Many40:
1. Already answered

2. That's why some roms like sammy JB roms use a trick to place some system files to another partition (/preload) which are symlinked to /system

3. No

4. User apps yes, system - no

5. Right because it's moved from /data partition to another location in internal storage.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g3lux:
Thank you for the answer and explication.

Sorry if this was getting anoying for some of you
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] king_below_my_lord:
Simplest way to make more apps system app even when /system is full is by symlinking them to /preload partition use the app called SystemCleanup. This is a better alternative than trying to increase the size of the system partition.