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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SupaDupaFly24:
I am going to be optimistic and say it will be announced earlier than that lol
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NoL1m1tZ:
The website claims that there is no new information, maybe i'm tired, but i'm pretty sure that just confirmed that the phone is NOT AMOLED.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
Who said that it would be an AMOLED display? I think given that samsung where never likely to be the manufacturer and that LG were always the front runner an LCD display was pretty much a given
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NoL1m1tZ:
It was assumed, but no one knew for sure. Some were hoping because of the Moto X active notifications.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
OIC :good: it was a very slim chance given what a nexus device is meant to be
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyDumah:
Nope.

It will be again a IPS display. 1080p resolution.

I think this time it won't have washed out colors.

I have to say the most exciting feature that we know already is gonna be the OIS camera from the G2.

Finally acceptable pics and videos. :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
What do you mean "Nope" ?

I said LCD which is what an IPS display is as apposed to an OLED/AMOLED
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyDumah:
I meant the suggestion from someone it could be oled. Not because of you.

I just quoted you because you were involved into the discussion :D
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TobiS87:
So you do know that the next Nexus will have that feature? Which reliable source told you that? Stop taking rumors for serious evidence. You'll just end up being disappointed.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyDumah:
Well it have the sensor for it.

Hey what reliable source told you it is gonna be the next nexus phone?

There is no annunciation for it.

Just take a look on the hardware. There you'll see what the Nexus is getting.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TobiS87:
Well, I don't want to argue with you about features of an unannounced phone but you are making conclusions based upon some pics of a camera sensor. So you want to tell me that you can see that it features Image Stabilization by those pictures?

I think photos and videos of a phone saying 'Nexus' on its back is evidence enough to pretend that there is a Nexus 4 successor on its way.

I'm just saying that people should not take every news from all those blogs out there too serious and as a given fact. Think about project roadrunner. ;)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primokorn:
LG Nexus 5 (LG-D820) receives Wi-Fi certification, two versions spotted

"two LG-D820 versions, the LG-D820_C and the LG-D820_S"
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
One of the photos of the "unrecognized nexus device" left "unattended in a bar" shows a boot animation. Do you suppose the device was caught amidst a random reboot? Give me a break of that kit Kat bar.

http://m.androidauthority.com/rumors-lg-nexus-5-video-bar-android-4-4-kitkat-october-14-270006/
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -A-P-M-:
Edit: Another render:

Source: http://www.gsmarena.com/nexus_5_specs_get_confirmed_as_an_alleged_press_shot_leaks-news-6810.php

Looks great
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yoyo117:
Why do they all remove half of deuxani's copyright and say it's a press shot ?!?

Are the press sites all really so dumb?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AlderCass:
Nope. Just another fan render. http://www.concept-phones.com/lg/nexus-5-rendered-deuxani-based-fcc-kitkat-leak/
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -A-P-M-:
Thanx, I changed a post. Also N5 on yesterday's leak had white icons on notification bar instead of blue...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] El Daddy:
No connection to Google servers = "white icons." Critically low battery charging + horrible video resolution = "white icons."
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamel_tza:
Yes.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sudoeste:
Now we only need someone to leak the price for the 16GB. If it stays the same... Insta-buy

Enviado do meu W100
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesebastian:
That means there will be 2 Nexus?

I'm going to be forced to buy my Nexus from Amazon or eBay since i'll need the Europe version (and i'm in America now).
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primokorn:
It seems... but there's no difference for the moment. We need more :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesebastian:
BTW i just checked out the Nexus 7 FHD LTE bands.

Europe: LTE 800 / 850 / 1700 / 1800 / 1900 / 2100 / 2600

North America: LTE 700 / 750 / 850 / 1700 / 1800 / 1900 / 2100

Source.

The 1800 Mhz band is available in both versions:

In Italy the 1800 Mhz band is used by all carriers

In Germany the 1800 Mhz band is used only by Deutsched Telekom. (E-Plus in Trial).

In France 1800 Mhz is planned by 1 carrier.

In Spain 1800 Mhz by 3 carriers.

Not too bad if both 5th Nexus have band 3 (1800Mhz).

Source 2

Let's see what happens....
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elmopeppo:
New Nexus

I'm just praying the new Nexus comes in a 32 GB version.:D
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whyzor:
Where's the source that says both Nexus 5 supports 1800 Mhz LTE bands? The link above is for Wifi certification, not LTE.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesebastian:
Where did i say that? I was talking about the Nexus 7 FHD LTE. Sorry about the confusion.

There is no info for the 5th Nexus atm :(
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whyzor:
I thought you were talking about Nexus 5 from your line:

"Not too bad if both 5th Nexus have band 3 (1800Mhz). "

And since this thread is about Nexus 5... no big deal.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesebastian:
Yeah sorry. I was just imagining the N7 FHD scenario for the LG-D820_C and the LG-D820_S. It would be nice if both models have 1800 Mhz LTE.

But we don't know nothing yet...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primokorn:
N5 could bring a new Wifi 802.11ac (up to 1Go/s)

The difference between LG-D820_S & LG-D820_C should be GSM and 4G LTE I think.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Brad1971:
I read that there was a separate version for Verizon and the others would be sharing another version. This could be what they are.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] manu4204:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nexus_5_spe...10.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

see the rendered pic

a real beauty:fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SupaDupaFly24:
Those renders are fan-made..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ultrairon:
I found that on the verge a couple days ago thats one nice render i agree
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trickster2369:
If true, this would make my day. But I'm not holding my breath just yet.

From my S-Off BadSeed DNA
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whyzor:
Yup, pretty pointless, anyone with an imagination and some simple graphic design skills can do it. Not really newsworthy, & sometimes when spread enough times, people start removing the original watermark and it gets passed as the real thing.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shealpi:
I can't wait man! i was never so happy about a phone like my N4. I sure hope they aren't increasing the screen size though!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DowntownJeffBrown:
They are we are pretty sure. But the phones overall size will not change much.

>^.^< Sent from meow HTC One
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
If the specs submitted to the FCC are indeed the N5 then the screen will be slightly larger but the overall dimensions will be smaller than the N4. I could live with that.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] georgije:
OOOkkey im mind blown by minor thing on those pics, you see the beer cup on third pic?

It says "Karlovacko" and that beer is Croatian, on cigars it is Croatian... so im just wondering how is this possible?

i dont know are they selling this beer in usa thou...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anuraj1:
There has been some discussion about the Croatia connection elsewhere. The limes, cigarettes, beer, etc are all Croatian. And Google has an office in Zagreb.

Sent from my VS980 4G
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hello00:
there is a place called world of beers..they sell all kind of beers

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where is the speaker in that thing
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RichySamui:
I love it, I want it, I need it :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] georgije:
Yeah it seem like it is from Croatia, because on other pictures you can see mobile provider is HR VIP

like this one
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hello00:
here are more pixs
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] streak4m3:
^^^ These pics are from the FCC filing, I believe. They were posted last week.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iPathik:
The screen shows that there is an OTA available! It could be KitKat!!! Ahhh this wait is killing me.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCguy:
You need to take a cold shower lol.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bozzykid:
Internal phones most certainly receive lots of system updates as they test the new OS. That isn't surprising.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hello00:
yeah but where are the speakers located
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DowntownJeffBrown:
>^.^< Sent from meow HTC One
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawkw1nd:
Or get a girlfriend :silly:
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DowntownJeffBrown:
:beer:

:D;):p

Sent from my HTC One using Xparent Red Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] incantevole:
Hope the n4 remains out of stock so I can get a good second hand price when I sell. Looking forward to out of the box LTE and slightly bigger screen.

If the back is rubbery will it wear off over time?

N4
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rohit02:
No it won't, but Nexus covers are there to their job, right? :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fkloznica:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-Nexus-4-gets-lost-in-a-bar.-Really._id35992#2-

Last years nexus.. That said ,the previous leaked pictures are 100% the next nexus (n5)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shadehh:
Anyone else planning on an LG g2? I wanted to get the next nexus but I'm utterly disappointed about the 2300 mah battery. It's supposed to be an upgrade at least in the battery department too and that it is not..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ashkan_mc:
You just need to w8 until it gets officially confirmed
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TobiS87:
This "Lost phone in a bar"-thing seems to be the running gag of the phone industry...!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] destronije:
In marketing the best way to promote a product is to create a buzz over it... This seems to do the trick...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
Indeed. It is a bit much to swallow... 4 times in a row for 2 models each for 2 different companies.

"Let's go grab a beer" "Great idea, let me grab my prototype flagship" Many hours and beers later, "Dude, where's my phone?"

How many folks on this thread have left their device in a bar?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCguy:
If it's non removable, which it looks like it probably is, and they haven't done something magic to increase efficiency, it's going to be a problem for me. The G2 or possibly the note 3 would get a strong look. I really like the 3gb ram on the note 3 but not sure about a phone that large yet.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Invalid_GR:
Battery life and storage made me pass the N4 so unless there is a 32GB option and a 3000mah battery I'm out and seriously confused..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primokorn:
I currently have a Note 2 but I want a real Android device with good performance so what else than a Nexus? :)

You'll have to make a choice between great battery life and fresh Android updates/better community/price-quality ratio...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ruul6207:
And best camera and 1080p
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
What makes you think the same size battery will yield the same performance in the next gen device? Integrating the radio into SoC should make a big difference all by itself. I'm getting much better life on my N4 than I did six months ago. I'm already getting 4 hours plus SOT without babysitting it. If the Nextus can improve on that I'll be satisfied. There's more to battery life than just Milli amps.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCguy:
From what I've seen performance will not be an issue. Maybe that's why they have 3gb ram this time. I do prefer the nexus (non) skin, cheap price, and updates but non of that matters if it won't make it through the day without a charge. Again, maybe they've magically improved the efficiency. TBD.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primokorn:
Even with 3100 mAh I'll have to charge tomorrow morning at the latest... 62% remaining after only 30min of screen on. I could have better battery life with a stock rom but I've been infected by AOSP energy :p

I think that OS efficiency is more important than battery capacity and we should be happy with new technologies on Nexus 5.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SinisterSHO:
I must be one of the only people that doesn't have a complaint about battery life
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anuraj1:
If it is anything like the G2 then 2300mah will be fine. This is a screenshot of my battery status yesterday with moderate to heavy use.

Sent from my VS980 4G
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] patstock11:
Nope. Me either. It gets me thru a full day and it goes right on the charger when I get from work. I dunno.....good enuff for me. And people aren't taking into account the s800's efficiency.....early reports on the g2 are the battery life is great. Imagine that.....without a skin and others things dragging it down...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
"My battery life sucks"

"How do you use the device"

"Like a television"

"Hmmm"
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCguy:
I am a heavy screen user. The phone must carry me personally at least 14-16 hrs
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] patstock11:
Another thing a lot of people are guilty of...turn off auto brightness and set it to between 35-40% full time.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Treshy:
a (female, obviosly) friend of mine always keeps her screen on and puts it like that into her pocket... and keeps it there until auto screen off kicks in after 10 minutes... but she always turns off her data to save energy... saving in the wrong spot I'd say.

what i want to say by this is that you need to know how to use a phone... and google REDUCED the mAh from their nexus 7 2012 to 2013 and still kept their battery life... so it will definitely increase from nexus 4 to 5

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9070 mit Tapatalk 4
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] El Daddy:
Its because people get too wrapped up in raw numbers, rather than actual real world use.

Look at all the benchmark threads and arguments about who's specs are better. It's silly.

Personally I find the battery life in my N4 fantastic. I run completely stock. I get up at 5:30am, use it all day, put it on the charger at 10pm and I usually have 30-40% battery remaining.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] baiju2012:
My solution is to have charger at home, office, car, etc. In case of emergency, a battery pack. I am done. Looking forward to Nexus V. :D

Nexus IV
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCguy:
Gees. All that to get around an inferior battery capacity:(
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] baiju2012:
Look at my benefits. I get a kick ass phone in Nexus line. I am latest and greatest in Android updates. My phone is unlocked and unchained to carriers. Reasonable cost phone (not giving an arm and a leg for it). Can use prepaid plans (Much cheaper than postpaid). I get a decent battery from my Nexus IV, especially on 4.3. You have to choose your poison. I can live with a short battery life, but cannot live with $600 - $700 phone, which two or three versions behind in software and loaded with bloatware. You can choose your poison and be happy with whatever else you will buy other than Nexus 5.

Nexus IV
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hand76:
Plus if you left an unknown phone in a bar how would a casual person or casual bartender know that phone is so sought after by such a small overall portion of the market that you would think to take pics and videos of it and release them online?

But hey I don't care if this is all Google's doing...I like that they are just as excited for this device as I am. :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
If the bar happened to be in Cupertino or Mountain View the odds increase substantially.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] varshil:
4.4 ll b 64 bit
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hand76:
If 1% to 2% chance is substantial I guess you would be right. Do you think bars out there are filled with tech industry insiders working part time?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sudoeste:
I work at a night club nowhere near the US or some other tech center and I would recognise the nexus 5 on the middle of the dance floor if someone picked one up. There are technologically informed individuals all over the world and they don't need to work in IT to be interested in technology.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lombardo8:
But what are the chances of a person like you picking up the phone? This has happened 4 times now. I would have thought it was a 99% chance it would be picked up by an opportunist thief.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hand76:
And you would be the 1-2%. And those numbers are being generous.

Chance you would know what a Nexus is...

Chance you work at a bar...

Chance someone would casually leave this brand new phone unattended...

I mean really...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sudoeste:
We can't compare this case with the other 2( can't remember the 3rd case some keep talking about).

From what I read the first time the story went live the phone wasn't forgotten, stolen or something like that. Supposedly the googler asked if the bartender could charge his/her phone a little. I've had persons asking me the same and I've asked the same before. The bartender or some friend / client then tried to turn it on and see the OS

Enviado do meu W100
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
I think bartenders know their client's. Bartenders in tech centric locales become more tech savvy.

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And besides, if you worked in a bar across town from Google headquarters and someone asked to charge a phone that had a "not for sale" sticker plastered on the back you wouldn't have to be a genius to connect the dots.

I don't buy the premise anyway. I think it's deliberate to generate free advertising. It's obviously doing just that. Just listen to us!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] can6rxw:
This is a straight up Google leak to drum up the anticipation for the new Nexus. Think of it...it gets us all talking about this picture or whatever that someone got their hands on. We look on with excitment hoping for the smallest of details of our new toy. Google is very good at this. Kudos to them. Who needs to pay for marketing when you can "leak" your tech and get all the bloggers and techies all horned up. :good:
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bozzykid:
False. That is a Intel slide at the Intel Developers Conference and has nothing to do with KitKat. And whether or not the kernel is 64-bit and apps being 64-bit are two different things.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] code65536:
Here's the interesting bit: when the bartender, Jim Barton, got a look at it, he thought it was just one of 20 smartphones that are left behind in the bar every week.

That's a lot of phones.

The article also mentions that there was a "not for sale" sticker on the back of the N4. Similarly, the N5 also had "not for sale" on the cover, as well as a rather conspicuous sticker. So even if whoever found it didn't know that it's the next Nexus, there are these clues that basically scream, "I'm a special phone!"
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] framos242:
There are some airheads out there....
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ptrm2:
I doubt this whole thing wasn't planned.. how many times have unreleased phones been left at a bar lol
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] F4M0U569:
Ok what does someone working at a bar got to do with this? Just be grateful that someone was good enough to take pictures and upload a video of the n5
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primokorn:
Nexus 5 with Android 4.4 KitKat (KRS71D) or 5.0 KLP?

On GFXBench there's a benchmark with a Nexus 5 under KLP...

AC
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anuraj1:
Exactly. I tended bar for ten years before I got into software work and I would have been all over that phone.

Sent from my VS980 4G
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Molitro:
This has been discussed already. The name until little time ago was KLP. The change to kitkat is recent. The name they prototypes have is still KLP.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shealpi:
Well, a bit bigger wouldn't matter that much. But i don't want it to turn into S4 size. and i sure hope it'll be available soon in europe. Unlike the N4 problems we had. Had to buy it in Denmark because Belgium/Holland/France didnt had it.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ultrairon:
Spigen

to confirm what android police already said

Rohit Batra

Subject: Nexus 5 Screen protector

SEP 18, 2013 | 03:45PM PDT

Avery replied:

Hello Rohit,

The image is a place holder.

Best Wishes,

Avery
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
Bigger screen, smaller pocket real estate, better battery optimization, better camera, better... :good:
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ultrairon:
they took my tip

Hey guys i think they took my tip that i submitted

http://phandroid.com/2013/09/18/mys...razil-is-google-planning-a-worldwide-release/

also i posted this a couple days ago here on this thread
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
How do you explain the different dimensions and information that previously touted this phone as being an LG G2?

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I have an N4 and my girlfriend has the S4, they are almost exactly the same size but the S4 has a bigger screen and is lighter, the S4 isn't that big in the current market
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
[MENTION=408947]Lew[/MENTION]thefly, Nice profile pic! LOL!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DowntownJeffBrown:
Haha that's awesome :D:thumbup:

>^.^< Sent from meow HTC One
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
Hahaha :cyclops:
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ctowne:
Indeed

Sent from my Moto X
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberT3:
Ha ha ha! Exactly how I felt when I saw the pictures. I don't know why but I'm really proud to be Croatian because of this :D
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
It's not necessary that the owner is a "Croatian Googler" , it might be a VIP-LG link, as VIP is the only carrier selling the nexus 4 around here (for 4500Kn off contract, that's ~ 820$ ).
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberT3:
Doesn't matter, it's still a Croatian network and beer ;)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayiskon:
Do you happen to know in what bar was that nexus device spotted? Was it in Zagreb or another city?

if we could only locate that guy.... *stalker mode ON*
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberT3:
No idea and yes it would be great if someone could find him :D
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whyzor:
Nobody said the bar was in the U.S. Google has offices all over the world, they probably sent a batch for testing to some obscure location, hoping it won't get much attention, but there are tech enthusiasts everywhere, probably more keen ones outside the U.S. than here, people here in the U.S. only know about carrier-subsidized smartphones.