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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KoRRo89:
well, from fcc leaked photos the camera looks pretty big and have some chips attached to it usually needed for the ois. maybe it's just a 8mp camera, but with a larger sensor and ois and for me it would be great, i'm not a fan of high resolution on little sensors.

also it's pretty similar to the g2 camera so i think we can be pretty sure about the ois even if they don't use the same 13mp sensor.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] F4M0U569:
Wth the front camera only has 1.3mp where as other phones have 2.0mp and above. Why going back?!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spacemanvt:
is it currently possible to have a cellular radio with all LTE Bands?

i hope the nexus 5 has that. then i can use this fully in europe and the US.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KoRRo89:
personally i never used the front camera on my actual phone, but i think the main use is for video call/chat, do you really need 2mp for a video call? it's 1.280 x 960 pixel i think it's enough for most of the phone screens. correct me if i'm wrong, i just can't get what the problem is.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] F4M0U569:
I don't think the question is if you really need it, it is all about keeping up with other flagships. If they are capable of putting whatever gb of ram they want, why wouldn't they make their n5 superior than their competitors like 3gb or 4gb of ram, 64gb of storage or 128gb and so on. Why make a device with similar specs like other devices on the market
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bozzykid:
They aren't going to add huge amounts of RAM and storage. They try to sell these phones at affordable prices off-contract.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roilosh11:
Cause then the price will be the same.. The Nexus line isn't supposed to be top notch, it's supposed to be cheap and get fast updates
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dungeon47:
I'd argue that it isn't supposed to be the latest and greatest, but it is top notch where it really matters. The Nexus 4 is a performance powerhouse, but it is pretty minimal when it comes to extra features like fancy camera and expandable storage.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KoRRo89:
as other said nexus devices are much cheaper than other flagship, plus they have useful specs, not useless e-penis specs. what's the meaning of having 3+ gb of ram? i'm running jellybean 4.2 almost fine with 374mb of ram, gnex have no problem with 1gb, 2gb are more than enough, specially if the rumors are true and google is going to optimize the ram requirements. 64gb of storage? i can't even imagine how to fill 32...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesebastian:
I come from a Nexus 4...and I must say that I'm having many issues with 1GB when multi tasking between Chrome_Beta-Tapatalk-Currents-Google+.

But specially when multi tasking just between Chrome_Beta and Tapatalk.

Anyway....1.5GB ram is more than enough...no need for 3GB.

Maybe is not a RAM issue but I have my apps (like tapatalk) closed when multi tasking. And I had similar issues with Galaxy S3 last year....(also 1GB ram).
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sudoeste:
The problem isn't the amount of ram, but the poor apps performance. Chrome is a ram intense app. Try decreasing the number of tabs open.

Oh... And the nexus 4 has 2gb ram fyi

Enviado do meu W100
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesebastian:
Yes, i know it has 2GB ram. Just think 1.5GB is more than enough nowadays. ( Not 1GB ).

BTW, I was just comparing my N4 experience with GN.

GN+Custom Kernel (or ROM too) seems to be much better.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whyzor:
Yeah still hoping for a good camera, there's a number of possibilities still:

1) The log files for 8 MP is not accurate, or doesn't recognize 8+ MP camera correctly since it's rare hardware still.

2) The 8 MP camera is from a prototype phone for testing non-camera components that doesn't have the final camera module yet.

2) 8 MP is a different sensor design that uses different 3 layer design with more light gathering pixels.

3) 8 regular MP but still with OIS

A regular 8 MP camera from the Nexus 4 would be a HUGE disappointment. Why have top of the line specs in Snapdragon 800, 1080p display, software, but a crappy camera. The camera in a smartphone is just as important to the whole experience.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] undercover:
Forget about megapixel count (****, I've said it few times too many already). In same size sensor I would much rather have 8mpx than 13mpx. It just works better. Bigger pixels are able to take in more light. Anyway, it's other bits that matter more. Sensor size, aperture, ois (which if setup well helps to reduce noise from overzealous ISO), and few other things. Knowing Google, they will include ois but will still ramp up iso as soon as it's not a sunny day. So stop whining about mpx and start whining about ****ing quality of a setup. Quality meaning good balance + the bigger the better PHYSICAL bits, not numbers. Things like aperture actually go in reverse. The bigger is physical opening, the smaller the number.

P. S. If they use N4 camera I'll be pissed off to no end and will spend a fair bit of my spare time going around and bringing that time the attention reminding people Google promise to improve camera to raise awareness.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattyboyo:
What about duck face selfies to put on Facebook?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] undercover:
True dat. Girly boys and girls will be dissapoint.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikulec:
I dont think that they will make an outstanding camera with only 8mpx in these times when everybody makes cameras with at least 13mpx. And for some people the pixels matter, it just make more possibilities for cropping.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whyzor:
First of all, nobody's whining. Lower megapixels gathering more light is only possible assuming 100% or close to 100% efficiency in light-gathering using same sensor tech. But there are still improvements that can be made in real world sensor designs, newer generation high MP sensors usually have higher signal-to-noise ratios than older-generation, lower MP sensors. Also a 8+ MP sensor would obviously point to a newer generation, so the 8 MP leak doesn't reveal much, in this case we don't know for sure if it's newer generation or old generation sensor.

In good lighting, higher pixels will simply out-resolve lower pixels. In dimmer lighting, there's still software algorithms to create clean low-res pictures from higher res pictures that would be better than a low-pixel picture to start with, basically having more data to work with.

This article dives more into the details:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/dxomark_sensor_for_benchmarking_cameras2.shtml
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floepie:
I welcome the 8MP cam! Think of how much more light will fall on each pixel - almost twice as much. That means better low-light photos as well as being better able to freeze action. 8MP is 4 times larger than 1080p (Full HD). I have never come across anyone who both crops AND prints with their phone cams. Most photos shown on the web or shared are a fraction of 1080p. 8MP is more than enough! I'd rather have better indoor photos than be able to crop out 80-90% of the photo.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DowntownJeffBrown:
N4 has 2gb of ram bro

Edit: nevermind I saw your next post :)

Sent from my HTC One using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] namartlu:
nano SIM?

Read that N5 may use nano SIM, I am on T-mobile prepaid. Apart from cutting the micro SIM I have now, will T-Mobile swap the SIM for me? Or... can I purchase a new nano SIM and swap to that? It's $1 right now...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bozzykid:
The iPhone 5s is almost universally considered the best camera in a smartphone and it only has 8 megapixels. It is not the megapixels but the quality of the sensor and the processing done in software.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikulec:
I just hope u r right guys. ;)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] undercover:
You are generalising. I can use my old coolpix 3200 and take better pics than most smartphones with best cameras. Oh, wait, it's only 3.2mpx,how can that be? :eek: Old Nokia smartphones were able to take better pics than some super expensive smartphones nowadays.

In all seriousness, you are right to an extent. More mpx "indicates" newer sensor, but it doesn't mean it's better. Smartphone manufacturers are working on marketing hype and going for large numbers. HTC almost got it right, but they went in slightly wrong direction. Save money in super duper tech and just make bloody sensor bigger. With same 8 or 12 mpx. With same tech. Bam, pictures have become a lot better. You wanna see some shots from Nikon D40 which had 6mpx? Bigger sensor, dedicated software.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cronis:
Yes we all know that low MP cameras with large high quality optics perform better then high MP cameras with low quality optics. The reason people are disappointed to hear about an 8 MP camera being used in the N5 is because manufacturers tend to pair their highest MP cameras with their best optics. the iPhone 5S is an exception since they use a solid 8MP sensor with decent (I think Sony?) optics. the 5S is hardly the best though, from what iv seen in real life usage the G2 camera produces much sharper pics with better color accuracy overall (5S likes to over saturate).

Either way its all just speculation till we can get our hands on the N5 and actually test the camera. If they put a decent sensor, solid optics and give us OIS with the 8mp cam it will be a solid shooter. But im not holding my breath for that based on previous nexus history lol.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] undercover:
Brilliant, straight to the point. Agree with all of it.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
Speak for yourself, I'm learning a lot from this conversation.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cronis:
Same here! If your interested in reading up on smartphone optics AnandTech did a really good article on them a while back.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6777/understanding-camera-optics-smartphone-camera-trends
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ace42:
Doesn't the lumia whateveritis with the 41Mp have the best sensor? I'm not saying we need 41Mp, but I want a sensor that has the quality with a reasonable MP level. Most of us don't even print 13MP photos, so beyond seems silly unless your PC uses that hi res.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cas8180:
Considering that the camera was one of the most griped about features of the n4 and the blog posts we saw from a respected Google employee stating " we are committed to bring an excellent camera to our nexus devices" I find this all extremely shocking. Unless they straight up stole the sensor from the iPhone :p
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tlopez1973:
Same thing here can't wait for the nexus 5 and I'm also selling my s4 I just can't stand the buttons anymore
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eman3316@optonline.net:
What is there to find shocking? We know absolutely nothing about the camera quality that will be in the N5 so how can something you know nothing about be shocking?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] undercover:
Another marketing gimmick. Like HTC 4 ultrapixels but opposite. They say it takes info from 8 or whatever pixels and puts it into one. If info is not brilliant to start with, there isn't much you can do with it. I honestly believe all the magic happens not there but in better sensor and dedicated processing.

Btw, N4 sensor is also Sony iirc. And quite a decent one. Software at fault? Maybe...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ace42:
The software is crap on aosp. I use the Lenovo camera and it takes cleaner photos than the Google camera. Also the HTC one GPe takes worse shots than the sense version.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vikramkhalsa:
Completely agree with you

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Agreed :/

I really hope its not the same 8mp as n4, but improved like the way you guys said..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bozzykid:
Why would they use a year old sensor? Clearly it will be a different camera module which is obvious looking at the pictures of the N5.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cas8180:
Well for starters that it's not in par with the G2
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bozzykid:
How do you know that?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KoRRo89:
new photo!

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/30/is-this-a-new-picture-of-the-nexus-5/
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] syde1020:
Any clarification to the early reports that the nexus 5 will not work on the Verizon network??
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bozzykid:
The Nexus 5 that passed through the FCC did not support Verizon, so I think it is safe to assume it isn't coming at launch at least.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
Nexus 5 with a white back by the looks of that
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ensifolk:
Looks thinner than the n4 !
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Indiwiz:
+1 , I've been saying forever that its the softwares fault that Nexus cameras suck. What good does it do to have a great sensor if the software doesn't know what to do with it.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cronis:
well... Lets hope for camera software improvements in 4.4!

That pic is interesting though, the sides almost seem to slope in from the back. Optical illusion maybe?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
No, its definitely curved on the back (similar to the HTC One and Moto X but not as curvy as they are)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
That looks more comfortable and more durable. Double good.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bozzykid:
Pretty sure the top phone is a Moto X hiding the identifying marks on the back of the N5.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
Its not a moto x, the front facing camera and the volume button is in the wrong spot for it to be a moto x
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eman3316@optonline.net:
So we should be upset that the N5 does not have a better camera then every other Android phone out for $300.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cas8180:
I am not going to argue with you are anyone else. I am peronsally upset cause I was really looking forward to this I have a bre baby coming and primarily use the camera on my phone so yes this was a very important feature for me. I can only hope they increased the light apeture on it so we can at leat get higher quality photos in low light.

Everyone's needs is different.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Panzerapple:
It's getting hard to wait for the n5 want to jump on to the g2 ship before the bootloader is locked. I want a great camera and crazy good battery life and full lte support. N4 is a great device and a huge leap from my Toro Gnex. Someone take my money soon.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eman3316@optonline.net:
I have a 3 year old and my N4s pictures are not bad at all. Do I want a better camera, sure. Am I expecting it to be the best camera phone on the market, no. If I needed the best camera phone on the market I wouldn't be looking at a budget priced device.

But again, the only thing you know about the N5s camera is it is 8mp. We know nothing about the quality or kit-kat photo software. It could still be amazing.

My wife's HTC One is 4mp's and beats our 8mp shooter hands down.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cas8180:
Great I am happy for you now move on
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lockeskidney:
yea google needs to stop getting killed by Apple and put out a solid camera. it frustrates a large portion of their base
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
When I open the Google Play Store app I don't have the category for devices. Can someone confirm? If I have to buy the N5 from my N4 am I gonna have to use a mobile browser?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eman3316@optonline.net:
They do not sell devices in the mobile play store.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
Thanks, wonder why?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
So they don't piss off the other manufacturers that run android but do not sell devices via google, for example Sony and prior to the GE phones Samsung and HTC

Picture if you are Sony, do you want your customers exposed to advertisement of a competitors product on a daily basis?

Its just easier for all involved this way
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SevansD:
Makes sense, browser it'll be I guess.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] incantevole:
It would be awesome if Google quietly changed all their websites to show the nexus 5 (like on the gmail landing page) instead of the nexus 4 prior to an announcement.

Place would go bananas.

N4
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] supersain08:
There's no way LG will make the nexus 5 camera better than their flagship phone (G2)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
No one said it had to be better, but as good as the G2 would be very nice
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 7TimesCursed:
Google chooses what goes in and what goes out of Nexus devices. Not the manufacturer.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikulec:
Which version of Lenovo camera are you using? Tha latest is FC on CM10.2.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Stylez Ray.:
Whos says that?! I wouldn't bet on my wife that ONLY Google has to choose about hardware which comes from a manufacturer. I mean they don't even produce a single part so why shouldn't LG have a word in this cooperation?

Actually, what I would assume and that's just my opinion: Google and LG had a deal with let's say the Nexus 4 (and next with Nexus 5).

As we know it was based on a product originally from LG and parts were adopted from it. I think LG as a manufacturer has ****loads of parts and bits over because they produce many electronics. Google said: let's make a cheap phone so you get rid of your stock. This is a win/win situation for both parts.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bozzykid:
Google definitely has a huge say-so in the hardware design. There is a reason the LG Nexus 5 looks almost exactly like the Asus Nexus 7. Sure, LG is using many G2 components to help with the manufacturing process. And I'm sure Google works within what LG components are available. But Google has the final say in the hardware.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] varshil:
Nexus 5 !
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fkloznica:
Old picture...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eman3316@optonline.net:
Design and hardware are 2 tooooootally different things and just because Google might have more say in design does not mean that get to boss around LG with what they want inside the device.

If Google tells LG they want the best camera on the market and they want it to be 50MP and it needs to have a 4,000mah battery, does LG have to do that because Google said so?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] varshil:
Only if google agrees to pay high for the cost of making it. They ll do anything if u r willing to pay high.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattyboyo:
It depends on if LG were contracted to build a phone with a 50MP camera and a 4,000mAh battery or not. You'll probably find that google set the price and gave LG a list of priorities, then LG came back with some options and they agreed on the compromises they wanted to make.

It's also obvious that the N4 was worth more than google sold it for, or at least they made no profit on it.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eman3316@optonline.net:
Well of course if Google wants to pay they can get whatever they want but the idea is to keep costs down so they can sell the device for under $400. So Google cannot tell LG what to put into the device and that's it.

There are many other factors involved, and cost probably being the main one. I was mereley stating that Google can't just tell whatever company is making the device what needs to be in there and that is that. I think the 2 teams work together to build they best device they can for the price they want to sell it for.

Companies aren't in this to lose money so compromises need to be made somewhere.

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I am not sure if you were trying to argue against what I was saying but this was exactly my point.....
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cronis:
Isn't it fun when everyone says the same thing but in a slightly different way! ... Oh wait that's what Bloggers are for :P
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Brom2:
Techradar posted new information about the price of the new Nexus. I can't post the link here but you will find it.

Gesendet von meinem HTC One S mit Tapatalk 4
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -A-P-M-:
When I saw 4 gb RAM in their article, I stopped reading and closed a tab.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hp420:
If they are right I won't even consider buying one. I bought a N4 because of the package between specs and phenomenal price. I can't even begin to consider spending $600 on a phone, especially if by selling my N4 I won't even raise enough to cover 1/3 of the cost!!!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
That is what alot of people pay when they buy them retail.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SupaDupaFly24:
I say a starting price of $329 for the 16gb version and $379 for the 32gb version..That is about half the price of the iPhone 5s in the US..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] El Daddy:
Coming from someone who imported the Galaxy Nexus at launch for $730, I think $600 is a good deal. ;) Don't get me wrong, I'd love for it to fall into the price range of the N4, but $600 is still cheaper than most flagships from other OEMs. Plus, I have extra money in my "Nexus Fund" because of the cheap N4 price. ;)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattyboyo:
It's not information. It's what they think it will cost. It doesn't even quote a source, just what they expect it to cost based on the specs.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ace42:
Try this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2391694
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hp420:
I understand, and I know it's really not a bad price still, considering it will be at the top of the list when you consider specs when it launches, I just meant it's far from in my price range
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whyzor:
If anyone who works in manufacturing or engineering, it probably goes something like this:

1. Google goes to LG and asks: given your experience in phone making, what is the flagship phone this year and the components that go into it?

2. Google then asks them, what about these changes, how will it affect final price & design changes & testing time?

3. LG then offers a few options for Google. Google picks the combo that is most realistic given the limitations on price & redesign costs (time & financial)

4. LG sells to Google at its regular mass volume rate, Google sells it on Play store at cost or slight loss to gain market share for Android flagship phone.

Oh and if LG & Google learned anything from the N4 release, they should have already switched over to mass producing the Nexus 5 to get a head start to not hit the supply shortage last year, could also explain N4 out of stock too.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lewythefly:
Both the gallery and the camera FC for me on my ProBAM N4
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jadeisjaded:
If it had the same specs as nexus 4, but with more internal storage and a bigger battery, I'd be in.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DowntownJeffBrown:
LOL yup the ones that go with that big a processor so. Duh:rolleyes:

>^.^< Sent from meow HTC One which is like catnip to me atm
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ctowne:
If Android could make a more efficient OS they would get much better battery life. The problem is that they have to develop their OS with tons of different devices in mind, unlike Apple who can streamline their OS for a specific phone.