yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
Guys, i'm moving between 'net hosts, so if my links are broken for the last alpha, here's a working link:

http://www.vijay555.com/vj/releases/vjtoggletodayii/vjtoggletodayiialpha.exe

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] henk-jan:
Keep calm, we'll wait although we are very inpatience because it's such a good program/utilty :wink: :D :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Turist:
hi vijay!

app just great as all other your software :)

here my 2cents:

it actually doesn`t toggle. only turns off. as i understood, it should toggleboth elements when ran without parameters.

after couple of tries PhoneAlarm (1.51) reported "skin not found" and disappeared, this remaining checked in Today settings.

nevertheless idea on itself is super. is it possible to make remaining line of top bar more informative (may be by deviding it into several colored zones - start button, ok etc)?

Thanks!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
Turist - VJToggleToday II alpha does not toggle, you are correct.

It also doesn't toggle "Today", which is also correct.

I am also not Roman, thus the "II" is also inappropriate.

Finally, I'm not Greek, thus the use of "alpha" may be considered over-zealous.

Oh, and my name isn't VJ :(

As such, the name "VJToggleToday II alpha" is pretty much entirely wrong, other then the spaces between the words.

The original ToggleStart and ToggleNew, joined gestalt-wise into ToggleToday (WM2003) do toggle.

ToggleToday II (if it remains by that name) will toggle, although I am implementing a GUI which may make that unnecessary.

I've noticed the "Skin not found" thing on PhoneAlarm, although it disappears after a second, and I think it's just PhoneAlarm redrawing as a result of the Today screen being refreshed.

What you do with the top bar once VJToggleToday II is up to you. I shrink mine down to 2 pixels and use my PhoneAlarm skin. You could use any old Today plugin in its place, eg a sexy claunch skin would be a good idea. Assigning VJKeyPress (startmenu) and VJOkButt to one of the icons would allow you to still have access to start menu and ok button etc.

However, changing the coloured bar into zones - hmm, yes, should be possible. Remind me after I finish the main app.

All:

I came to the decision yesterday NOT to join VJToggleToday into a bigger more complicated app, although in exchange, I will add a feature to make Tray hiding much more useful.

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Turist:
i hope thus it could "toggle" something because of is name...

ii as in vjtoggletodayiialpha.exe would be better? :)

"omega" maybe? ;)

Aye Aye Sir! Im reaaly sorry :(

*shoots himself

thats clear. but issue is that PA totally disappeared till next soft reset :)

than it looks like i haven`t got the idea of this app. i thought that combined with menu|start|both params it should toggle (actually shrink up to 2pix) elements specified. am i wrong?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] malatesta:
So out of curiosity...

For VJ Toggletoday II (alpha), do we leave feedback here or somewhere else?

I'm using it now and it's really neat. Using Small Menu lets me retain my Start menu function.

The only issue is of course landscape, which brings back the top bar but keeps the bottom bar minimized.

That and there is a seperate issue with AE Button Plus--if you use it to map your softkeys, you won't have access to them when they are "gone" (same thing for IE in full-screen mode). I spoke with the developer and we tried a couple of things but it doesn't look like it can be fixed. So for now, if I want to use ToggleToday II I have to disable AEB+ soft key emulation, which kinda stinks but it's a trade off...

Using PhoneAlarm Lite 1.52 is also working quite well with it at the top. It's neat to see that on every screen now!

Otherwise, it's pretty solid! Look forward to the next release...

ppc6700/wm5
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
Feedback can stay here.

I haven't tried AEB with soft key emulation, I'll have to look into it. Could you explain what it does, and I'll investigate. I use the very old free version of AEB for now...

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] malatesta:
Sure. So in AEB obviously you can assign up to 4 different functions per button (1 click, 2 click, 3 click and Long hold).

Soft key emulation works just like every other button except at any moment when they are not "visible" (via the gui). Up to this point the only instance where that happened was in IE when you go into Full Screen mode. Normaly, tapping a soft-key then brings you out of full screen mode so you can go 'back' or use the 'menu' functions. Afterwards, it toggles back to full screen mode after the function is complete.

Using AEB however will negate this: as soon as the gui hides those softkeys, they no longer respond--at all. The way I got around this in IE was I emulated the left soft key but the right key remained untouched by AEB. That allows me to pop out of full screen mode and make the smart keys visible and regain function of the left key again.

Likewise, when using your tool, it's essentially the same situation except that hitting a soft key doesn't toggle the gui, so my left key (handled by AEB) won't do anything at all (the right still works since AEB is not touching it).

I worked with Alexander (developer of AEB) on this issue to see if we could fix it but at this time it doesn't look possible. This is what he said:

Of course there are a few solutions for this: fix AEB, keep the lower toolbar visible (and only hide the start bar), or just don't use AEB!

At this point, I wouldn't mind keeping the lower bar visible (or at least having the option) unless you or someone else could help Alexander to fix AEB :D

If you need more info or someone to further beta test this let me know, I'm more than glad to help.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Turist:
unfortunately todaytoggle does not work for me as i expected. but i dont like bottom bar anyway. at the moment i use dciNoBar for this and it works well with AEbuttons
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] malatesta:
cool thanks for the tip. I don't suppose there is an English version/translation for the directions? My russian isn't too good and by that I mean...I don't know any Russian at all. :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freezor:
Vijay

I´m using your ToggleToday on my Wizard. I know you said it won´t function correctly on WM5 Products but i have no problems with it. I only use the ToggleNew function to get rid of that bottom bar and only have my tray with lnks there. the only problem there is: after doing a soft reset the bottom bar will still be gone (not visable) but the tray still thinks its there and doesn´t move all the way down to the bottom of the screen. But all you have to do then is slide it open to switch to landscape mode and then it´s gone. And you can use the new space on the bottom of the screen =)

I don´t know why but it works. maybe you can figure out why =)

other than that your software rocks...keep up the great work.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Turist:
LOL :)

Russian is not very complicated anyway ;)

But when you haven`t started learning it here is link for you http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php

notice that almost all features are available in unregistered version. i use it for button mapping only, but there is a lot of interesting features as built-in task switcher, popups with info, actions which can be also run via shortcuts etc.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
Guys, regarding the soft keys - have you tried emulating keypresses to the softkeys using the function keys F1 and F2 (virtual key 112 and 113)?

eg http://www.vijay555.com/?Releases:VJKeyPress

I'd be surprised if AE Button Plus is accessing the softkeys using emulated taps to the softkeys, but hopefully F1/F2 should access the softkeys wherever you are.

(BTW - 133 seems to lock the device.. who'd a thunk it?)

Note - these work when launched from a shortcut. When they're launched from a hardware key, it depends on the launcher; contemplate: you're emulating a keypress by pressing a key, thus it confuses the OS and it gets ignored.

However, launching 112/113 from a shortcut etc will emulate softkeys.

These also work with an entirely minimised soft key menu bar.

Apologies for the delay in updates: I'm moving home next week, and have also been working on something very different, very new. However, I must control my urge to write new stuff and finish off the old stuff :(

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] malatesta:
Turist:

Thanks for the link to AEB, but I've been using that for a long time already :lol: , what I was referring to was the program dciNoBar: that is also in Russian (as far as I can tell), so any help there would be great.

vijay555

Okay, so I DL'd your KeyPress program and created two shortcuts: Left Key and Right Key that simulate the soft keys. They both work when I click them.

First, I tried (for the heck of it) in AEB to link to them directly which you can do--but like you said, it doesn't work. Nothing happens.

If I just run the shortcut (via SmallMenu) it still won't work for the AEB controlled Left soft key, but will bring up the Right one when I click that (which is not handeled by AEB). If I laucnh SmallMenu in full-screen IE then that automatically brings me out of full-screen anyways, so it defeats the purpose of trying to launch a shortcut.

So afaik this won't work...maybe others can try and confirm?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
Hmmm, I'll have to try the new AEB, I've never had the need though. Not sure what it does with the emulated soft keys :(

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Turist:
as dciNoBar has no gui at all... :lol: [/quote]
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] malatesta:
ah yes, that does make it easier!

Just tried it:

a) still can't get the soft key to work (for normal function) on the Today Screen with AEB--so it's really no different than Vijay's program

b) actually, if I could just get a program to remove the start bar and keep the soft key lower bar, that'd rock.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
malatesta: man, what program are you using?

The latest version is, I think, VJToggleToday II alpha v0.15

This is for Wm5 only. The other versions earlier in this thread are for WM2003 only.

The final version of VJToggleToday II will be a unified solution for both.

However, for the time being, run the v0.15 alpha with the command line

-config

or edit your registry directly.

Using -config you can change the heights to anything you want, so set start bar to 2 pixels, soft keys to 26 pixels, and apply the settings. That will give what you asked for.

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] malatesta:
Yeah, that's all I was using. Never touched any other version. That and I tried dciNoBar today for the heck of it.

Had no idea though about the command line though hence the confusion! :lol:

I'll give it a shot tonight...thanks.

Edit: k, just tried that and obviously worked like a charm.

Only issue now is switching to landscape will undo the 'hide start bar' in both landscape and portrait but I'm sure that'll be worked out later. no biggy.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
malatesta: good stuff. Yes, there are a number of dramatic improvements and plugins I'm going to make for the final app, so that's why the current version is alpha, not even beta.

However, I've got caught up in working on my new website (coming soon, eventually! :roll:) and several new and cool apps. But then I think I'll finish this app.

I'm really sorry it's taking so long guys, just when I get home at night after work, I only get around 1 hour to check forums and program, and that's not much time to do anything useful :x

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Turist:
Hi VJ!

Gave another trie to all your "toggle-related" apps and here is short summary:

ToggleNew - does nothing at all

ToggleStart - works fine, but Ok button not accessible. i always get PA-functions (Timed lock, Profile change etc)

ToggleToday - hides start bar only. Ok button also unaccessible.

Good thing: your apps work much more faster, than dcinobar.

But unfortunately atm dcinobar works stable. waiting for next release.

BR!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
Turist, and all others:

ToggleNew, ToggleStart and ToggleToday are WM2003 apps ONLY.

VJToggleToday II alpha is WM5 only.

(I'll modify the first post to make this clear)

I will be starting a seperate thread for VJToggleToday II when I can get around to finishing it, but for now, it sits in this old thread because it's a related idea. I know it's not easy to read back through the posts, but VJToggleToday II alpha is not meant to have a wide release, so it doesn't have its own thread yet.

The alpha works well enough as a "test" of the idea, because that's all it is for now.

The final will support WM2003 and WM5, and have some other features that I'm thinking about.

Try the alpha, and remember that you can launch it with the command line -config to configure the system to shrink the start bar and soft keys to any size you want.

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jvflynn:
OK, I've been lurking around here for a while and I must say that vijay555's work is awesome... some really fabulous work. So I want to lead off with "Thank you!"

I have aSamsung i730 running WM5, so I have VJToddleTodayII alpha. What I have been trying to do is simply replace my Start bar with PALite. Trouble is, sometimes the background of PALite looks to be corrupted- I get colored 'streaks' thru the background that makes PAL very difficult to see. The only way out has been a reset. Has anyone else seen this?

Thanks again.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
Hi! First, many thanks! I've been on hiatus for a while, catching my breath for another load of releases, soonish.

By PALite, you mean Phone Alarm lite presumably? I'm using it on my Mio A701 with my old PhoneAlarm skin posted in the first post of this thread, and I've never noticed any problems. It may be that Bruce has made PhoneAlarm not redraw properly when it's not "visible", for efficiency (which is what I'd do in his place), and this may cause the probelm, PA doesn't think it's "visible" so doesn't redraw properly. However, I can't say I've ever noticed this problem and I'm using much the same config.

Could you email me your skin (precioussss) to your name @ vijay555.com? I'll have a play.

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Turist:
Hi VJ :) i read all the tread carefully and i know about wm2003/wm5 difference. it was just short overview, because none of apps works 100%? but any of them makes something :)

i just hoped that it will help you in development of further versions.

BR!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
The Wm2003 apps work well on WM2003. But as I said, any action they have on WM5 is purely accidental. They were written before I had WM5... a long time ago!

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meschle:
Hi vijay, thanks again for vjtoggletoday - the only glitch i have noticed is that when i go to landscape mode the startbar returns to normal - is this happening on your device? And is it fixed in your V-only betas? :wink:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
The bars will return every time the window is forced to fully redraw itself.

It's easy to fix, but it requires a "resident" version of the program, which intercepts these changes and fixes the bars every time.

I have a version of this on my system, but the reason it's not released yet is because I'm not sure how to present the app in a final form.

If it's resident, I can make it do other exciting stuff, and I'm just contemplating that to make it do. I've got some ideas, but I'm still wondering how many features to implement - maybe keep it simple and just do the basics, or add more bells and whistles? Someone told me off recently though - maybe I should just release the basic version and add extra features as we think of them?

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meschle:
Yep I'm a kinda basic guy that loves low resource apps - so basic would be good :wink: I think it pretty good as it is and the tray goes for me anyhow.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] henk-jan:
Hi Vijay555: how far is the project? Is the alpha going to be replaced by a beta or, even better, a new version? It's such a nice program on the WM2003 and I like it to have on my Qtek9000 (WM5) also. 8)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
The alpha definitely will be replaced.

Things have been going slow because I'm being (forced) to move house today, so there's been lots of preparations and "real life" crap. I hope to God I've got an internet connection in the new house - having to spend a night speaking to Mrs Vijay555 will make me crazy :(

But yes, it'll be replaced, soon.

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] henk-jan:
Nice to hear you have a new house. Great to hear about you're progress :lol:

Good luck with everything and especially you're family
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] newbie2:
While I'm not a "noob", I don't post very often, either -- but I DO like to "lurk". :)

I just want to say that between Summiter and ViJay, my HTC Wizard now ROCKS!!

Thanks for all the work!! Maybe someday I'll be able to learn enough from these forums to do some "giving back", rather than just "taking".

HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125) running --

Sbsh Pocket Breeze

Sbsh Pocket Weather

Sbsh iLauncher

PsShutXP

ResInfo150
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
Is that emulating the "classic" new bar? :)

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Grey.Mouser:
I'm just curious if you plan to fix the SIP issue in the AlphaII at some point, or will that wait?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
bernardwilkes3: I presume you mean that the sip pops up when you set softkeys to 0?

That's an OS related issue I believe. However, there may be an alternative way around the problem. I'll likely forget to include this. Remind me when (if!?) I ever release it.

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] henk-jan:
Vijay555: "Remind me when (if!?) I ever release it. "

Does it means there may be no upgrade for WM5?/VGA

I like the 16% extra and miss it since I have the 9000.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
lol - no, it will be released, it's just incredibly difficult for me to sit down and get any real programming done right now. I'm working on a case at work that's keeping me in the office till >11pm every night, for a while.

But yes, there definitely will be a unified full featured release in the forseeable future, in fact two.

I'm planning to release a version II much as you've seen, but then a more bells and whistles version III. But for now, I'll be happy just to sit down and finish the bloody thing off!

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Grey.Mouser:
Can you get the SIP (yes the fact that is shows up in WM5) fixed in the version II :D , or will you sadden me and say version III?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meschle:
SIP is fixed if you use 1pixel for soft key height - whats 1 pixel between friends :wink:

Boy its hot! Hows your Mio doing vijay?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
Screw the Mio, in this weather I'm just glad of my Panasonic DMC-FZ30 with it's 12x zoom and 8 megapixels. Man, short skirts alert.

[For those who aren't currently baking in London at 180 deg C, turning frequently, adjust time for fan assisted ovens - it's quite hot today! As Fry might say, "It's so hot, I poured McDonald's coffee in my lap to cool off".]

bernardwilkes3 - I only happened to use my app for the first time recently and noticed the SIP issue. I'm sure we've all discussed it before, but my volatile memory has very limited capacity, and its refresh cycles are infrequent and/or defective.

I had a thought about how to fix the sip popup issue. It'll either be very easy, or extraordinarily difficult. The same issue existed in WM2003, but I came up with a funky solution, even if I say so myself. So it should be fixable - subject to defective memory in my head. Don't forget to remind me :) That'll happen in Version II.

V

PS My views on the Mio. It's alright, works well enough, with issues. I like my bluetooth stereo headset on it, although the only song on my SD Card is "Uncle F*cker" for some reason.

For my mini-review, have a look here:

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=320111#320111

+ =

BTW - check out the PSP custom firmwares coming out these days. As the noobs might say, woot!

I'm starting to get into PSP hacking .
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vivi:
Hi Vijay555,

As I had the problem with keyboard icon on Today screen on my XdaII WM5 in every ROMs when using TodayToggleAlpha as we discussed 2-3 months ago.

Now I use XdaIIs or Blue Angel and I am here to tell you that no such thing happens with every WM5 BA ROMs.

This make me very happy because I love this software indeed as I've told you before.

Regards,

vivi
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vijay555:
Hey vivi. Yes, I think we resolved that there was a different response in the different ROMs. I've only relatively recently started using a WM5 device day-to-day, so I'm "re-looking" at all of the issues.

I WILL do some further programming on this this weekend... I like the app too, especially on my Mio with it's teeny tiny screen.

V
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rockmanneo:
Vijay,

I'm using TodayToggleII now, is the startbar/taskbar supposed to re-appear after every soft reset? Do I need to put the lnk at startup folder?

I still have keyboard pop up happening, using mod 2.17 ROM
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] frigit:
Great app, except I can't manage to get the picture to fully extend down to the bottom. There is about 2mm of the top of the image on the very bottom. I have played around with the Microsoft Pocket PC 2002 theme generator V2 but still can't get around it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] newbie2:
That's what I did to make sure ToggleToday loaded upon a reset. No Problems now with having to reinitialize the program. :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] oldsap:
Try this:

http://oldsap.blogspot.com/2006/08/themegence-tips-from-newbie2.html

Thanks again newbie2 ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] newbie2:
You give me WAY too much credit. I'm just "paying it forward" from the help I got from Meschle on this same subject. HE should be the one getting the credit!!

THANKS, MESCHLE!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] henk-jan:
Vijay555, if you can find some time: please look at a solution. It's a real great program, only not for WM5 this moment.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bigshape:
thanks vijay! great software!

latest alpha (i think...) installed and working fine for me on orange spv m3100 (htc tytn) wm5 using -config shortcut.

my settings;

start = 26

reminder = 1

reminder bar (bottom) displays keyboard icon when required by app (notes, etc) then hides again on today screen as long as there is a positive value in the reminder settings.

also works fine in lanscape with these settings.

other today software installed;

rlcalendar

WA2

sbsh ilauncher

once again, many thanks vijay555! great little app!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nastassja:
i ran it on my prophet but it just makes my bars (top bar and bottom bar) small as a line... :/
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bigshape:
nastassja - you need to create a shortcut to the exe with -config prefix to get the settings dialogue. you can then alter the heights of the bars.

just do a soft reset and your bars will return to normal (as long as you didn't add it to startup)