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[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] dazza9075:
Absolutely,

Lets hear from GDTD first, for my own selfish reasons id rather he kept working on the ativ s but we cant have everything now can we!

I just wanted to get that out there before everyone an their aunty starts trying to donate to an instant magic unlock :)
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
yes ultrashot do something , since September you didn't do anything :D :D :D
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] jalyst:
blablabla right back at you matey, it seems you fail at reading comprehension:

And it seems we have another one...
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] lordmaxey:
Well, i wouldn't say "no progress", just because we can't read official statements in the forum.

I guess there is a lot of work done in the backgroud, we just don't know anything about.

So, just to keep people "amused", it would be indeed nice to read more stuff about different tries on Lumias.

Even if they fail, but people would have a good feeling when they know that devs are working on it!
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ngame:
working on a Retail phone is *maybe* better because all of non-professional Developers and users are using retail but it's can be hard if we GDTD wants to work on retail phone to do WP Hacks .

but I think it's SO better to wait and let see what GDTD think about my idea and also what he say .

maybe he has exams or another problem that he can't work very much on it . all of us have a real life and we have many problems every day so it's better to wait and see what's GDTD say.

now we have an idea to donate and one here is a Nokia Lumia 920 black that he can grab it with the mentioned price .
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
its not that we didn't read it right :)

its the question ( or you are speaking to yourself in a public written form) itself.

first this has nothing to do in the dev forums.

second this will not help any dev.

third because you can't read about progress doesn't mean it isn't there.

fourth there is real progress and it isn't "ruling out what doesn't work"
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ultrashot:
Sorry, I never fail at that :D
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] jalyst:
Just to be clear, at no point was I trying to be offensive, I'm not sure how it could be seen that way.

But if it was, let me be clear that being offensive most certainly wasn't my intent...

It's quite simple, one very brief sentence isn't enough to draw conclusions about my entire thinking.

The literal meaning was clear, don't read any deeper & there's no problem...

In this instance you most certainly did, anyway, why the pointless digression, lets get back OT shall we.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] GoodDayToDie:
Sigh... this thread is really getting unwieldy with all these donation requests and such. It's going to need a serious cleaning up to keep the information even vaguely relevant. Maybe I'll start a new one, especially if we get more info, and lock it when not in use...

With that said, a retail device for testing would probably help. A developer device would be interesting if (and probably only if) it were updated to the latest firmware, otherwise, anything I could find on it may well be obsolete. Not that I'd turn one down anyhow, but at this point, with almost everybody running GDR2 or GDR3, and increasingly the latter, pre-RTM dev devices (which is what most of them that I've seen have) would be decided outdated. A retail device, while not so easy to pull information off of, is much better for "real-world" testing.

I do actually have some more ideas that might well work, but it would probably take a lot of time to produce something useful. A test device would let me start experimenting, though, and that's something. I am of course also still looking into full "root" unlocks for ATIV phones - and I think I've got some real leads there, finally, although the lack of introspective access slows things down as I must feel my way blindly - but I could stand to have a second project.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] lordmaxey:
So, i guess that's a "yes" :)

I'm in with $25 for now. :p
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] dazza9075:
Can I suggest we stop this now on this thread,

Could you instead create a thread in the General section. Gather a list of pledges first then decide if something can be put together, this thread isn't the place for 50 folk listing donations.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] -W_O_L_F-:
a) we should keep in a secret what we tested. Because it can point OEM where they should improve security.

b) I think cheapest Lumia (520?) would be enough for testing unlock possibilities. All Lumias should have same FW.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] thals1992:
All I have to say is that no one is obligated to do anything. I felt obligated to try and hack some of the other odd devices, the HTC 8XT, and the ATIV Odyssey (CDMA devices are my thing ;)) but I just wanted to share some of my work and what all that's there.

To be honest, I'm not sure whether our hacks should be a secret or not. I mean once an xap is released, everything goes out the door, and that's because its so easy to decompile a Windows Phone app. I mean heck, just about even dotPeek will spit the whole thing out into a Visual Studio solution and .NET Reflecter does too, but they charge $89. The only issues I ever run into is needing various dlls from any GDR3 rom which is not difficult.

Hacking the Lumia's will be interesting. Most of them share the same OEM software which would be used, but it seems our only hope will essentially involve a hardware mod (jtag or similar) or something involving the Qualcomm mode and the trick with that one is finding someone who would leak one that works in WinUSB mode instead of the standard serial interfaces. Except the Qualcomm mode might be a little more universal, I simply have no clue. Using the built in USB switch with Diagnostics, would be just as easy and we could switch to QC Serial, but the trick is finding a way to deploy it.

It seems JTAG will most likely be the first working solution, but then your warranty just flies out the door.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] -W_O_L_F-:
Hacks should be non-public before release.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] jordanmills:
Are these likely to allow access to the SMS store?
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] lordmaxey:
Yes, i think so, too.

No publishing before release.

It would be so disappointing, when you're almost done, and post the success and the OEM realeases an Update, which fixes the exploits you found...

Yes, for now, it seems that this could be the only solution... But it would be a solution. Way better than nothing :laugh::good:

I personally don't care about my warranty :D

As i do have an ATF Box with enabled JTAG, pls let me know if i can help you with my 920 :)
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ngame:
I think like too . it's better than nothing .

many Phones (like mine) has no warranties !

maybe JTAG not only way or maybe not the best way but for now it can be good
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] GoodDayToDie:
Sadly, Nokia devices definitely do not all run the same firmware; I'm sure there are similarities, but there are definitely differences too (so far I've identified at least three variants in the installed services and drivers, and the capabilities lists, just borrowing peoples' phones to test with the webserver). My best guess is that it's either a matter of the firmware version (one of the devices ran Black, the others didn't) or the CPU (all three had different CPUs), although there could be other factors.

With that said, anything (including a 52x) would be a place to start...

[MENTION=336056]jordanmills[/MENTION]: I don't know about access to the SMS store (I haven't determined exactly where/how those are stored myself...) but they definitely allow access to incoming messages, and may well allow crafting raw outgoing ones (without going through the messaging hub). It might be worth looking into how some of the OEM SMS-blocking/filtering/whatever apps work...
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ngame:
I think it's only related to the region and there's no difference . *maybe*to control server traffic .

I Checked that for example Malaysia Rom (my official Rom) is 1.38 GB but for example Europe one is 1.29GB

I find that pre-installed apps are only different and I didn't see any important differences .

but as you surely know there are some other differences like first pinned tiles or Tiles color or Product Codes that I find these are stored in a xml file in ffu file
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] dazza9075:
you are aware that even that is 90MBs of a difference? that's "quite a lot" on the grand scale of possible code differences ;)

They may be similar but they will be different, first and foremost will be different SoCs, upgraded / alternate external modules like FM radios and different GPS chips, different radio stacks depending on hardware / location. It may well be from a common base but it will be different and quite likely different on every device.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] DilanChd:
http://www.silenstd.com/silenall/silentech/highxap/ :confused: :confused:
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] lordmaxey:
Yes, :confused: because it's not english. Google translate only translates the article, not the comments.

that sucks.:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] GoodDayToDie:
*WOW* that's a slow server. Looks like it's just somebody re-bundling WPHTweaks. Not sure why they talk about Lumias though, unless the Chinese know of a jailbreak that we don't (possible, but...).
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] DilanChd:
I try deploy this XAP on L920 but get error.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] GoodDayToDie:
That's because it is simply the official WPH Tweaks app, just with the XAP file renamed. There's nothing special about it at all, and the poster who talked about installing it on a Lumia was probably just being an idiot (again, unless the Chinese have some jailbreak that the rest of us don't know about).
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] sensboston:
May be, they are trying to collect traffic and make some money from advertising? ;)
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ngame:
you're right . but I don't think so .

they published a video from a yellow lumia 920 with 3rd tiles (maybe means they used a registry trick)

another thing is he used a Full FS that we know it's possible on Ativ S and the video shows the same thing than I see in ativ s

It's really hard to say it's real or not . I'm still waiting for the reply of my mail . If it possible I will say the reply here .
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] sensboston:
I don't know about latest video, but the previous Chinese "hack" of L-920 posted here (and on the many sites), according to ultrashot's investigation, was a developer's Lumia accessed/"hacked" with JTAG.

As for tricks shown on video: I believe these tricks can be achieved by loading and using some shell dll's (of course it requires a lot of R&D even you have a WPAK ;) )
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] filfat:
Or I can just order a developer edition from DVLUP for free... already have two 820 developer edition on the way :P
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] kdotent:
The xap cannot be installed on the 920 because it requires,interop unlock
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] lordmaxey:
ok, JTAG. So is there a way i can help you testing with my L920 and ATF box with activated JTAG ?
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] AlvinPhilemon:
how do you do that?
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] filfat:
Here ya go: http://www.dvlup.com/Rewards/793

Its available in Sweden not sure about USA nor UK.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] sensboston:
Sorry, I was mistaken. It's not a "developer's phone" but the "engineering phone" (that you can't find on dvlup.com of course)
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] GoodDayToDie:
"Developer phone" is a common way to refer to it too ("engineering handset" may be more accurate but I've heard both used frequently). Yeah, nothing through a public reward program like that will be what we're talking about.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] filfat:
Yeah, i thought that such good hackers would known about it if it were the right phone. Well, Sharing does not hurt :D
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Stefan Caromov:
I am proud owner of an Atv S since today. May i ask you can i interop unlock with this firmware ?

If i cant, how to downgrate the firmware ?

I am sorry my stupid questions
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] filfat:
I'm not a WP hacker myself, but i guess there is a ay of flashing it?
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] matgras:
You can flash gdr2 using the ativ s firmware flasher
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] GoodDayToDie:
Firmware 13.5.1 should support interop-unlock directly. You're still on the GDR2 firmware (and on GDR2 itself) so there should be no problem.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] hashmiakbar:
Happy to know you'll be working on an interope hack for lumia phones. :)

Take your time but please don't give up

30 million people+ 1 lumia 925 user are counting on you!!
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Lanex777:
What if I install ativ s diagnostic app with help of fiddler and then install the required hack on lumia, will this possibly work? Or is the diagnostic app supposed to be installed only from windows folder on the phone?
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ngame:
1.Diagnosis app is exclusive for Samsung and Fiddler trick doesn't take effect

2.Diagnosis use some Exclusive dlls that Nokia , HTC and Huawei doesn't have (Like FCRouter.Dll)

3.If you be able to install it on your phone anyway you will be not able to use it because of missing These Exclusive dlls
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] GoodDayToDie:
This would be a good question, if it hadn't been asked and answered, before. Added to FAQ... hopefully that'll be the end of it.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] MarkAndroid:
I followed the steps and I completed the interop unlock but when I try to install the xap BootstrapSamsung app:

Status Error: 0x81030120

Samsung ATIV S

Software: Windows Phone8

OS Version: 8.0.10327.77

Firmware revision number: 2424.13.5.1

Number Hardware Revision: 15:15:10

Radio software version: 2424.13.5.1

Radio hardware version: 0.0.0.800

Bootloader Version: 13.04.19.21

Processor SOC Version: 1.5.32
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] GoodDayToDie:
You probably didn't do the relock-prevention (it's one of those steps you said you followed...)
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] boudhayan:
Why we are not seeing interop unlock for lumia phones?
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ngame:
Why you think we don't care to Nokia Lumia Devices Interop Unlock ?

look most of the Interop Unlocks based on manufacture Problems like Diagnosis in Samsung devices or any other possible ways .

Nokia devices have high securities and we have maybe still a long way to Interop Unlock them

but we are looking for lumia interop unlocks be sure.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] -W_O_L_F-:
Because YOU didn't find a way to unlock Lumias.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] AlvinPhilemon:
oh, because its not like we aren't trying to use what we have at the moment, to try and figure exploits in the OS.

certainly nothing like that.

THAT WAS SARCASM

seriously, use the damn search bar.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] boudhayan:
:laugh: There are more able devs out there brother..I am just an enthusiast..
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
that isn't the Point, the Point is that you as an xda user with over 70 post should know better, not to post **** like that in a dev Forum, if you did a search ( what you know as a xda user with over 70 Posts) you would know that that Point is opted over a 1000 times with the same answer.

so please as a moderator, please search before posting.

Greetings Cees Heim
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] snickler:
You said it yourself... You're just an enthusiast, who obviously doesn't understand the power of search. We have commented many times on how difficult it is to achieve any type of exploit on the Lumia devices. We were just LUCKY with the current exploits that we found with the Samsungs and other devices... Just lucky. We weren't with the Lumia devices because the security is TOP NOTCH. Now as I've said many other times, sit back, wait, and HOPE that we can make something happen. Asking over and over without searching and being annoying does not help the process. All it does is piss off those who have been actively working towards something. Be a good little boy and follow the developments :).
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] hashmiakbar:
Any chance wp8.1 will un-interope other phones?? :P :P

Not a hater but then we can work together :P
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] snickler:
There's a big possibility, but we won't know until it comes out.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Ming930919:
guys is it possible to update to wp8.1 developer preview? after interop?

i am currently using samsung ativ s interop gddr2
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ngame:
first you have to download GDR3

it's not possible to directly download 8.1
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Ming930919:
if i went for the developer preview would it update to gddr3 first or will it straight go to wp8.1?
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ngame:
first GDR3 .

if Samsung released Retail Update for your phone you have to get it after all you will get 8.1 Preview
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Ming930919:
afaik 8.0.10532.166 is wp8.1

so does this mean it would update those versions on top first then till wp8.1?

ps: i dont mind losing interop
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ngame:
WP8.1 has 2 steps to update completely .

you have to update your phone first with a little 20 -30 MB Update

after boot you have to update again with a huge update I think it's 600MB or more !

this second update is the real 8.1
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Ming930919:
ah i see. so then it would be fine to update my phone right?

even if i am running gddr2 currently

and interop wouldnt affect anything would it?
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] ngame:
Maybe you lose your interop unlock only

nothing else
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] matgras:
I can confirm that you'll lose interop unlock after updating,

you keep the data arrows, theme colours and 3 wide tiles.

I haven't checked sideloading yet.

you'll lose big start (smaller text) in ms apps and also the ability to disable start letters.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] AlvinPhilemon:
I still have interop after updating. :confused:

And also SamWP8 Tools' Full FS access works in 8.1
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] matgras:
That's odd,

do you also have start letters disabled and big ms apps?
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Mattemoller90:
I try to reinstall

BootstrapSamsung --> open and SUCCESS

EnableAllSideloading --> open and "error unlocking capability "CapabilitiMapping"! The win 32 error code is 5

For me wph tweaks is impossible to install now
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] matgras:
That means you don't have the unlimited app limit anymore

scratch that, I was wrong (sorry gdtd)
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Mattemoller90:
Is not ok?
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] shifuimam:
So I take it that at the moment, even if sideloaded apps are installed, they won't actually do anything (WP8 Hacks, registry editor, etc)?

I'm glad the three tile columns thing is native to 8.1, but I miss my small text. :(
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] djtonka:
you can still play with registry using SamWp8Tool
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Mattemoller90:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Control Panel\Theme
"LargeScreen"=dword:00000001

not work ;( i have a large write
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] matgras:
I've tried it on every possible way I could imagine but it doesn't work and it gives me an error every time I write or read.

I've also tried to interop unlock it again but that doesn't weird either (send toast doesn't work.)
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] lordmaxey:
Did you have Interop on GDR3 already?

Did you try putting the "non-production errors.txt" file into your documents-folder?

see here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2573355
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Loco5150:
I updated to WP8.1 yesterday from fully unclocked GDR3. I can confirm the same as above.

Maybe we should open a own topic conserning the 8.1: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=51916145
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] djtonka:
I have ROM made by user marass82 and that's way we could swap to soft touch buttons:)
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] tonbonz:
The non production errors file was deleted from my Odyssey. I sure as hell didn't do it!!! Replaced it and Sam WP8 registry reads MaxUnsignedApp = 10003 but I hadn't tested before replacing it as I caught it before seeing this thread. I had sideloaded the GDR2 Diagnosis tool after doing the GDR3 update and when trying to launch the Registry Operations Check using the Native Toast Launcher I get nothing with 8.1. Reinstalled both apps and tried again...nothing. Tried launching a few other apps and ...nothing. With the new Notification Center the functionality of toast notifications I'm sure has been changed. The File Explorer app also refuses to launch from the app menu and also can't reinstall it do to capabilities error. Also get this...EnableAllSideloading "error unlocking capability "CapabilitieMapping"! The win 32 error code is 5.

UPDATE: So just noticed Webserver with all capabilities is stil working and just sideloaded WPH Tweaks WP8...
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] matgras:
I have did everything on this forum to prevent relock, I had the 3 xmls (but it was unnecessary as I was on dev preview) I had the non production errors txt file, I was using wolfrom and I had relock prevented on samwp8.
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] tonbonz:
Not sure if this matters and you have probably checked a million times but at some point during the update process, I think after the pre-update installed but before downloading 8.1, I happened to notice that Unlock was unchecked in SamWP8 and I rechecked it
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] Loco5150:
So you still have full unlock?

I did a topic for 8.1, I think it would be better to talk about this there. Easier to find evertyhing when its not burried in between some other topic. Of what you think guys? If not, mods can delete the new topic.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2718311
[Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking] djtonka:
Just get access to \Install on SD card :)