yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Moto X General] imnotmikal:
It's still a system app that can't be uninstalled. ;)

I was under the impression that it was added by Verizon, though. Either way, I use OfficeSuite 7, so QuickOffice is no use to me. :P
[Moto X General] Hardcore73:
Now you will see that the X is way faster than the Note 2 and the battery life is great.
[Moto X General] bobbysteels216:
Quickoffice is preinstalled on the Nexus 10, Nexus 7, and Nexus 4, but I gotcha.
[Moto X General] imnotmikal:
I wish I still had my Note 2 in hand so I could do a side-by-side comparison.

Ah, I didn't know that.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] CoolBeans:
Is it just me, or is the Wizard not as good looking as the Magician?

I wish they would give me integrated wireless, WM 5.0, a better bluetooth stack and more ram on the same device.

I really don't need the stupid keyboard. It seems to add quite a bit of thickness.

My .02 cents.

-CoolBeans
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] sleepnow:
I totally agree. Its looks like a cheap and tacky attempt to make something look futuristic.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] audiblefrequency:
The Keyboard is really personal preference. I know I will get a ton of use out of that keyboard since I type about 30 emails a day on my phone and it is a logical step for HTC.

The wizard has not yet been branded by O2, Orange etc... these companies will add their own personal cosmetic flavour to the device. Have you seen the pictures of the CDMA version of the wizard? It is a very nice looking device(except for that ugly antenna sticking out)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] FOZZER:
Orange are going to call it the SPV M600 some info on www.coolsmartphone.com
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] WatermelonSlim:
I wouldn't even consider this device if it didn't have a keyboard. A keyboard is the absolute most important factor in any device I consider. Without a keyboard, I don't even look at it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] CoolBeans:
I thought the spirit of the Jam/Magician was to have a fairly full featured device in a small form factor.

If you need a keyboard, perhaps you should be looking to the Universal.

I bought a Javo case... thought it was too big. I then got a silicon skin for it and still felt it was too thick. I have now resorted to keeping my Jam naked and it feels just right (all puns intended).

Another 4-5 mm from the Wizard and I might look like I'm happy to see everyone I come across with this thing in my pocket.

It might have been a good thing in my dating days, but I'm married now.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] WatermelonSlim:
Beleive me, if there were rumors about Sprint carrying the Universal, I would be getting one for sure. I'm only considering the Apache because I know I can get one within the next couple months.

Well, I guess I would probably get an Apache for my wife either way. But I would definitely get the Universal for myself. But as it stands right now, it's going to be 2 Apaches, 1 for me and 1 for the wife.

There are no rumors of a CDMA Universal, so there are definitely no rumors of my carrier (Sprint) offering a CDMA Universal. I'm locked into a contract with Sprint, so I can't just leave them. And besides, here in the USA there are only 2 3G networks at the moment, Sprint and Verizon. And both are CDMA (EVDO) so it would have to be a CDMA device for me to get it.

I won't consider it without a keyboard, but I won't buy it unless I can have broadband Internet on it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] bigblk150:
I seem to be in the minoriy here, but I don't find the Wizard all that bad in terms of its shape/size/design.

I think first and foremost we need to be focused on FUNCTION, not form. HTC could have made something that looks fantastic and not do anything.

When looking at the side-by-side comparisons of the thickness of the device against the Magician, the extra thickness was necessary to add the slide-out keyboard feature. This is a feature that, IMHO, is well worth the extra thickness. When holding a device in one's hand, thickness is the dimension that's least noticible. I'd rather a device that's a bit thicker than wider or longer.

Couple the slide-out keyboard with WM5, WiFi, more internal memory, and approx. the same width/height as the Magician, and I'm sold.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
While I agree it doesn't look "great", its far from ugly. Thickness? Please, it's still overall smaller than a Nokia 6600 and compared to the Magician the extra thickness is only half a centimeter... oh no!

I would have preferred that they went with a more professional look rather than this "styled" look. I'm glad to see that they keyboard is backlit - all the photos so far (except for the ones on the .nl site) haven't shown this.

I think I'll be getting the Wizard over the Apache simply because of the aerial. I'm not too fussed about the slower speed, but an external aerial would annoy me.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] BurningOrange:
I agree.

All I wanted was a

thinner JAM with wifi

. I don't need a keyboard with my pdaphone. If i did, i would be going for the Universal, the Treo, a Sidekick or some HP device... :roll:

The JAM's design is elegant and functional. The Wizard's design isn't elegant, even though it may be very functional. (the Galaxy looked like my perfect pdaphone, until I realised it wasn't one... ) :lol:

Here's hoping that HTC will bring out a true succcessor to the minimalist JAM.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
Come on, its got all these extra features and its only 0.5 cm thicker... thats this much: --

Oh my, how will we ever lug this extra size around! ;p
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Squuiid:
Guys, you're all missing the point!

The show stopper here is the processor: TI OMAP 850!

WTF :shock:

DEFINITE step down from Magician

Also v bad:

Mini-SD and 320x240
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
As has already been discussed - its a dual core processor which should help somewhat AND since it has a low clock rate this will help save battery life.

This isnt meant to be an "uber" PDA, its meant to be a small phone that can do the tasks of a PDA. If you want something faster, then you're going to have to get the Universal which is also bigger and has a VGA screen.

Whats the problem with MiniSD other than having to buy a new card? I needed to get a new SD card anyway... so I guess this is another non-issue for me :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Squuiid:
"Unfortunately, it will be considerably slower. While the OMAP does combine seperate processors for phone and PDA functionality, at the end of the day it is just a 195MHz ARM processor (as found in PDAs from years ago) - it's not even Xscale. " Guess who wrote that?! :shock: Dumbass

VGA would have been nice, but I agree, small screen.

SD card capacity is better than Mini-SD, 4Gb vs 1Gb at the moment.

Most people will not want to ditch their exisiting SD cards either, from their Himalayas, Blue Angels, Alpines, Andes, Magicians!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
I fail to see why I am a "dumbass". It will be considerably slower than a 400MHz Xscale processor, but the fact that its dual core will help it out. I see no contradiction between those two statements.

As for the SD cards - theres always eBay to sell your old ones on ;)

Try learning some etiquette before posting on forums.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] sleepnow:
http://www.pocketpc-club.nl/contentimages/qtek9100_preview/2.jpg

Tell me that aint thicker...

This thing is thicker and uglier than all 4 of your mothers teeth! :lol:

Here's a picture of ugly right here, next to a much more elegant JAM.

http://www.pocketpc-club.nl/contentimages/qtek9100_preview/1.jpg

Haha, look at the buttons! This phone is for suckers.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] grumble:
Gotta admit it DOES look as if its scowling at me when put next to the magician :)

Cant really see why people are getting so personal in their insults and defences about this phone tho .... when it comes down to it the phone hasnt actually been in anybodys hands yet so until some brave soul actually goes out and gets one its all just conjecture
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] efjay:
is anyone else here disappointed with the lack of choice at the moment? its either the Universal or Wizard and each one for me has serious drawbacks: universal is tri band with no high speed option for the US, wizard has miniSD ( i currently have over 1GB of data on mine.) The BA design has everything and just needs EDGE for US and 3G for Europe, improved camera, WM5.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] RAGOv:
This thread has become more like a voting place for the Wizzard.....With valuable infos though..... :wink:

Now CoolBeans....

I would advice that u edit ur post and add a Poll,this way everybody can say his opinion without the need to post....(althought above posts were really helpfull..).Still,post will always be welcomed.... :wink:

Oh,btw,I would vote for..."I love it"... :)

Greetings...

RAGO :lol:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] saldous:
Well there are the HP IPAQ 6515 (and the future 6715 which has WiFi and WM 5.0). Plus the new Motorolla Q so there are others out there coming out soon.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] efjay:
I meant for WM5 devices and the HP 6515 has no wifi; if you use an SD wifi card you are stuck with miniSD for storage which as i have said is not enough (1GB max), the 6715 has no SD slot so the same applies. The Q is due too far off in the future and also runs the smartphone OS so is not an option. It also doesnt have wifi AND uses miniSD again. See my point? If they had upgraded the Blue Angel chassis with the latest tech that would be ideal for me.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] saldous:
How about the Mitac Mio A701? : http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4190.html
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jaythemagician:
Missing the point-0.5 of a cm is a million miles when your talking about something that is designed to be as small as possible.Half a centimetre is alot for something the size of the jam-crappy cpu on paper also not worth the risk until some benchmark tests come out.My jam fits perfectly in my pocket and i can't feel it,given another 0.5 of a cm i'm sure it would make a difference-especially for something i personally do not need
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
I guess I'm just used to carrying around a Nokia 6600 which is slightly bigger than this.

I admit, the Jam does look a lot cleaner and more elegant but the button design had to change somewhat for Windows Mobile 5.0 (with its hot keys).

I guess its all down to how important a keyboard is for you. I personally think its a great idea since I'd like to take down notes in University on it (its pretty hard using just a stylus for that). The Universal would have been even better for this but its about £750 and massive in comparison - not something Id want to be carrying around in my pocket _all_ the time.

As for those photos - yes, that shows that its 0.5cm thicker... well done? ;p The guy who took that photo was either an evil genius or an idiot. See how hes got the devices pushed together so that it makes the Wizard rock over to the right slightly giving the illusion that its even higher?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jaythemagician:
Have you used a windows based device before?Writing isn't that hard at all.I'm akso sure this keyboard will be too small to be massively usable for myself.Get a laptop for uni-more practical get a jam to use as your great ompact all rounder.

Oh and that rocked over stuff about the wizard-why you clutching at straws?It is the thickness of the screen bigger,the whole top part of it.Then end
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
A Windows _mobile_ device? Of course I've used one before I've been around since the days of Windows CE 2000/ Handheld PCs... I currently have an HTC Roadster (HP iPaq hx4700) and no, its not anywhere near as fast as using a keyboard (one of the reasons I only just got rid of my Jornada 720 - even though it has a keyboard, it was showing its age). As for a laptop, yes when its absolutely necessary I lug one around with me but this would be nice for quick notes.[/quote]
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] PHug:
Haha, that hurt my feelings.

This Apache will be my first PDA/Phone.

I like the JAM also but as far as i've seen it doesn't come in CDMA.

I have Verizon so its either the i730, the blue angel or wait.

Verizon has real high speed data in my area and the GSM carriers have crappy service and low speed data with a fancy name "EDGE"

Maybe i am a sucker but this Apache is the best thing coming as far as i can see.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Matterhorn:
[/quote]

Well for quick notes you could always use the notepad in grahical mode...ain't nothin' faster than that but paper :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
Meh, you get like 5cm^2 of space in graphical mode, you can fit about two words per line if you're in a rush ;p
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
Actually, it's probably doing the leaning itself due to the camera surround on the back. But agree the photo's dont prove much - we've all accepted it's 5mm thicker.

But let's get this in perspective. It's still only 23mm, which is the same as the Treo650, it's direct competitor, and less than many dedicated phones. So it's hardly a brick, considering what it does!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
That does put me off actually. The 400MHz Jam only just holds its own for data lookups and app switching speed against the Treo 650. Knock that speed down and it's going to be a real slouch by comparison. When I want to turn on the phone to find a number, make quick call, or check my diary, I don't want to be looking at a spinning icon for 30 seconds (or even 5). Just like with desktop PCs, once you got used to how fast a UI responds, anything slower becomes _really_ annoying. Unless they've performed miracles, from this perspective the novelty of the Wizard will soon wear off.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] sion:
I've Found my Holy Grail.

Well what a difference in I.T. life a couple of days makes, Two days ago I was panicking about having to upgrade to a HTC Wizard with all it's underlying, associated buíld/development problems, and now I am sat here with my own & what I feel is many other people's PDA Holy Grail in my hand.

In my hand I have a I-Mate Jam, but with a couple or three big differences:

One it has 128 Megs of Ram.

Two it has built in WiFi

Three it has a 2 GIG SD Card plugged in that works.

Now I might add that this is not my Jam, However the little known about UK based company that has produced it are quite willing to customise one for me if I can lay my hands on one in the next week or so.

They will also be offering it as a commercial service over the net as of November this year.

So my dear friends, fellow bookworms, frustrated burglers, affronted policemen or city gents with titly furled umbrella's, I am glad I have joined & listened to you all so many times but I am afraid I won't be joining you just yet in your wizardly new worlds now that I have found my own personal PDA Val-Hala. Long live the 128 Meg WiFi enabled Jam, who knows we may even be able to get WM2005 on it yet, that really would be something, & a right kick up the hind quarters for HTC.

Kind Regards Ash'e
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
Would you stop posting the same reply in all the threads on this forum.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
Re: I've Found my Holy Grail.

128MB jam's have been available for some time, as have Sd WiFi cards. The built in WiFi sounds interesting. But is it cost effective, assuming that the Jam+upgrades will cost you as much as the Wizard, and you still won't have the keyboard, extra hardware buttons or non volatile storage? So you'll still be in a two-handed, tappity-tap stylus bound world, dreading the day you pick it up to say "sh*t, the battery's flat, where's all my data gone?"
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] kta:
Re: I've Found my Holy Grail.

Come on ... how many of you here lost ALL their data becuase the battery went flat? I mean unless you're using BT, SD Wifi, using the phone and listening to MP3s while watching divx at the same time ... a single battery charge during the night keeps everyone covered.

Don't get me wrong, permanent storage IS WAY BETTER ... but imho it's not a good enough reason to upgrade.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] mikeycollins13:
Magician with built in wifi

What did they charge for the wifi upgrade and 128 ram? Where are they located by any chance?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] bnycastro:
re: WIZARD being FAT, FAT devices need owners too.

re: WIZARD being UGLY, Beauty is relative.

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For me WM5.0, WiFi (built-in), Persistent storage, keyboard and now BT2.0 seem to be enough reason to upgrade.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] mattstroud:
I think the Wizard looks freaking amazing!! i mean check out the specs,

WM5 (i really really want a WM5 device)

Built in wifi (huge plus)

Bluetooth 2.0

Non volatile memory

When i was getting my Jam i looked at all the devices and i never wanted one with a keyboard, mainly because they were enormous! but now after owning my jam and knowing how much i use it and what i use it for, i think a keyboard will be a very welcomed addition. and now we see a device that is still the same size as the jam (apart from thickness) and it has a keyboard too! ROCK ON i want it. So it's a little bit thicker than the jam, so what it still rocks.

You can't have all this technology and expect the phone to be the size of a RAZR V3, wake up!!!!!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Mvmajorem:
If the camera is better than the JAM... Count me in...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Koksie:
The guys at PocketPC Italia said the cam is way better than the Magician's ( duh, every cam is better than that piece of c..p) and that indoors the quality can be interpolated to 2 MP and still looks good. However, Cam quality is of course also dependent on taste and I first have to see it to believe it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
A 1.3MP camera isn't going to be great, but its going to be a whole lot better than what I'm used to on mobile devices (0.3MP!). It should be sufficient for taking reference photos when you have no other camera available, which I guess is the point of it... its not meant to replace a good quality digital camera.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Midi_Amp:
All I need from the Wizard is a decent processing power... And that's about it. Whether it's thick (obviously, people never seen Audiovox Thera) or fat and ugly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Oh yeah, I've tried a Himalaya booted with a WM 5.0... Holy smoke... I can almost use one hand to operate the device. Definitely, the addition of two soft buttons will help a lot, and with the Wizard new soft buttons... Loving it...

Motorola Q... Ummm... It's kind of scary for me. I believe the default screen view is landscape mode, and that gives only 240 pixel of height to display data (like iPAQ Hw6500), which kind of... Just right, although I would ask for more.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] far182:
Am I the only one who never thought the JAM was good looking? I didn't think it was ugly, but its not good looking in my book.

On the contrast I think the wizard looks GREAT.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

:)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
Hrm, I do quite like the look of the Magician - its clean and functional... and smooth, no extra crap. The Wizard doesnt look great, imo... they've tried to make it look flashy and futuristic.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Midi_Amp:
I'm with you actually. It is clean yes, but too clean for my taste, but like you said, different strokes for different folks.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] snwahs:
I guess I don't agree, I didn't own a Jam but I did own a pda2k and I see the Wizard as a huge upgrade from that. There is a 8 min video floatin around that shows that the device is far from slow, persistant storage.....well its about time....and a keyboard in a device that while only in thickness is smaller than a blackberry and noticeably smaller than the "pocketable" sidekick. Ive preordered and I expect to be completely satisfied.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] bnycastro:
for a simpler looking device there is the XDA Atom (haven't seen any specs yet just the outside).

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personally I like the Wizard (aka mini Pro)

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/handhelds/0,39001703,39095541p,00.htm
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] skagen:
The Jam was more or less the limit of reasonable pocketabliity. With this thing you are now in the territory or "permanent hard-on" ie looking like a geek and being not quite comfortable with the ease of keeping it.

With that in mind, yes the half centimeter matters mucho. This is supposed to be the uber-portable device. Adding bulk only detracts from its mission.

With that in mind, they should have left out the slider - or had two models. If they did that, I have no doubt the slider would be the less popular one.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] far182:
That is what SmartPhones are for. Sounds like you are looking at the wrong platform.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] skagen:
In case you missed it - I own a Jam. What are you talking about?

Smartphones are limited capability. In contast, The Jam is a

benchmark

of usabiliy with touchscreen and yet pocketable size. A new model should be an evolution forward, not backward to gigantic bricks that we came from.

Sounds to me more like

you

need a 3.5" model. People who own the Jam are looking for progress not regeression. I'd much rather the get rid of the crapola camera and give us a tight package in the correct size.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jaythemagician:
ShaLLaX - after my rant i got a k-jam anyway as i dropped my jam and it died. It is a great device! the kb is good for browsing the web as in the new ie you can have full screen (without using spb) and together with the softkeys (another good idea) you can surf the net loads better. Built in vc too and just as quick as the jam. I appoligise for my rant! :oops:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
Woohoo! Glad you're happy! :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] far182:
You need to chill out. I meant my comment to not offend, but as a reccomendation.

The number one asked-for feature for the next JAM was a keyboard. While you think 6mm make a world of difference and makes the wizard garbage, many people don't. It seems HTC knows what you want and is coming out with the Athena anyway, so why ***** about the K-Jam?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] skagen:
I'd suspect that most people were thinking "Treo" when they said that, not "thicker and bigger". Its the most elegant and logical resolution to the data entry problem. As I said, these devices are small and the tipping point of true pocketability is indeed relevant.

Of course HTC makes the Treo and probabaly can't offer that form factor to anyone other than Palm. In other words as a result of the conflict of interests that develop when you have a virtual monopoly in OEM'ing these devices.

As for these other devices - they are not here. You might have a case if they had released them and given people a choice. But for all we know these other ones may not turn up at all or in very limited availability. So all we can say for sure at this time is that the only available successor to the jam is a backward regression in terms of size.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
Mmmm "a backwards regression"... so its progression? Yay for double negatives ;p