yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Guys.. if you do not post more information, I simply cannot help you. You HAVE to post more information.

I will update the thread and let you guys know exactly what I have installed on my TP. But... I am not going to spend that much time on it. It works for me.. That is all I really care about. This project is for me.

Many people don't know how to install adb shell, or alter the driver to get a good adb shell.. Fun stuff. The VID and PID in the inf file (if your using windows) needs to be changed. Should just work in Ubuntu Desktop.

Either this or you are installing UT wrong...

Ubuntu Touch does NOT talk to CM10. It does not mount the CM10 partitions, etc. Could be something with moboot and the boot partition. Something with the environment.

Not running webOS Doctor again until Video Rendering works. At that point I will wipe my device clean and reinstall. Which I have done twice. Don't know what to tell you guys.

I can already tell some of you guys do not understand LVM Partitions? We have our own partitions for Ubuntu Touch. That should tell you something.

I have recompiled and built from the latest, just not uploading until Videos work. Sounds right to me.

The Nexus 7 cannot play vids either, just audio.. Just like us..

/dev/store/ut-data

/dev/store/ut-system

/dev/store/ut-cache

SEPERATE FROM

/dev/store/cm-*
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Did you create the partitions? Tried mounting them to see if data was there....?????

Somewhere I posted the ClockWorkMod I use.. PreludeDrew I think posted it... Search for it.
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Oh and if you guys can't tell I am in a pissy mood today. ;)

So if you want help, you need to somehow give me more information...

For instance.. What EXACTLY you have done AFTER a Webos Doctor 3.0.0 followed by 3.0.5

I have installed moboot cm10 from milaq and gapps with the latest acmeinstaller.

Then used a ClockWork Mod that could do adb for convenience. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2102011

Then the partition creator

Then UT in ClockWorkMod.

try formatting ut-data and ut-cache and ut-system before installing.. I guess. And.. pretty sure I have posted all this before.. Read the threads.
[Other TouchPad Development] pwersrg:
jshafer817, I found your instructions pretty clear and other then getting the SDK for palm (which I posted a link for other in my last post) I have no issues. I made certain that I had Android and webOS installed. I ran the ubuntu touch partion script you created which ran with no issues. Flashed the 2 zip's and I was up and running. I'm having ubuntu touch be buggy but as you stated most of these bugs my friend is experiences and much worse on his Nexus 7.

I don't plan on bugging you with issues I'm having since I feel they are OS related.

I wanted to thank you for all your effort in the project.
[Other TouchPad Development] ppeetteerr:
Apt-get update

Has anyone tried an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade since the release of 13.10? I tried one last night and I get

Setting up initramfs-tools (0.103ubuntu1) ...
update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ...
dpkg: warning: version 'touch' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-touch
dpkg: warning: version 'touch' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit
grep: /boot/config-touch: No such file or directory
WARNING: missing /lib/modules/touch
Device driver support needs thus be built-in linux image!
FATAL: touch: not absolute path.
ERROR: could not open directory /tmp/mkinitramfs_N14tm6/lib/modules/2.6.35-cyanogenmod: No such file or directory
FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory
/dev/disk/by-label/\x2fboot: no Android Magic Value
/dev/disk/by-label/\x2fboot: not a valid Android Boot Image.

run-parts: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//zz-flash-touch-initrd exited with return code 1
dpkg: error processing initramfs-tools (--configure):
subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Processing triggers for initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
initramfs-tools
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Anyone seen this?

http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/324645-pic-kick-starts-touchpad-open-mobile-acl-58.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byNlLNQV2mQ
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
yep... normal.. though don't update.. you really want the latest let me release it.. you have to recompile pulse and I have changed the kernel since then... added the Mer patches from STSKeeps... As hybris was born on a touchpad..

What is libhybris???

Google it! It was born on the touchpad.. REMEMBER THAT! It is why I want Ubuntu Touch to work.
[Other TouchPad Development] jokergermany:
Which informations do you need?

I am not really firm with adb and so on (but it works), which informations do you need.

I have done exactly this:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46345213&postcount=292

(Instead of Web OS 3.0.4 i used 3.0.5)

When i start Ubuntu Touch i only get after the boot parameters a black screen but i can access the tp with ADB:

sudo adb shell

* daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 *
* daemon started successfully *

BusyBox v1.20.2 (Ubuntu 1:1.20.0-8.1ubuntu1) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

#
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Oh SNAP. I am running Plasma Active.. KDE.. Will post a rom soon! NEAT! Perhaps SAILFISH will work? I really want to see sailfish.

NEAT!
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
ls /dev/store

what is the output? you see ut partitions?

if this is the case, then the e2label is not right... it labels the partitions.. and something is wrong with your /dev/store/ut-data as that is where it's located.. its statically compiled..

run blkid what is the output?
[Other TouchPad Development] adzidek:
Plasma Active?! Sweet!!!!
[Other TouchPad Development] vqstaphbeard:
was delead

Mmmm really like the sound of this!
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Trying to get the touchscreen working.. getting.. closer...

I think! in plasma active

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7isMAmwW0

Plasma Active on a Nexus
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
MultiTouch is now working!! YAY! For Plasma Active. =)

Section "InputClass"

Identifier "evdev touchscreen catchall"

MatchIsTouchscreen "on"

MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"

Driver "evdev"

EndSection

change to

Section "InputClass"

Identifier "mtevdev touchscreen catchall"

MatchIsTouchscreen "on"

MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"

Driver "mtev"

EndSection

Sweet!
[Other TouchPad Development] jokergermany:
ls /dev/store

root update mojodb swap cm-cache media ut-cache
var log filecache cm-system cm-data ut-system

blkid

/dev/mmcblk0p1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="29B2-ACBF" TYPE="vfat"
/dev/mmcblk0p13: LABEL="/boot" UUID="46d0abd2-66d5-4966-9d98-3d510cf48cfb" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/mmcblk0p14: UUID="8BNuVp-1OuA-073P-sV47-LS15-SmuY-Z2CdkK" TYPE="LVM2_member"
/dev/mapper/store-root: LABEL="/" UUID="804c2da8-21a0-4b62-aee2-7c5f4a47b3c9" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/mapper/store-var: LABEL="/var" UUID="31a8897a-224b-4a82-8544-c3e88d1e4088" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/mapper/store-update: LABEL="/var/lib/update" UUID="9b76e181-cfb4-49b2-acf3-9bab8e9cf279" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/mapper/store-log: LABEL="/var/log" UUID="1af105ac-f8b4-447e-a94c-20b3a243ef7d" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/mapper/store-swap: UUID="92d3830a-dc3b-48b6-86d5-60fa6998345b" TYPE="swap"
/dev/mapper/store-cm--system: UUID="57f8f4bc-abf4-655f-bf67-946fc0f9f25b" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/mapper/store-cm--cache: UUID="57f8f4bc-abf4-655f-bf67-946fc0f9f25b" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/mapper/store-cm--data: UUID="43dde2f7-68e9-4df9-965e-3e02228e82ef" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/mapper/store-media: LABEL="HP TOUCHPAD" UUID="5259-4ACC" TYPE="vfat"
/dev/mapper/store-ut--system: UUID="57f8f4bc-abf4-655f-bf67-946fc0f9f25b" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/mapper/store-ut--cache: UUID="7ea7f5d2-bc56-4a9d-8183-1283e1bad176" TYPE="ext4"
[Other TouchPad Development] AP0ll0UK:
I love my Touchpad and I love Ubuntu and would very much like to get the two working together, but I would like to see a video of the installation process before I attempt it.

Is anyone aware of one please as I can only find reviews of Ubuntu running on the Touchpad on YouTube?
[Other TouchPad Development] trikar21b:
So...just double checking. Is the best way to do this with the most updated usable files still in the OP?
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
I should update soon... I have been working on being able to see the kernel output outside of the framebuffer.

Headphone Jack or USB Serial. Headphone jack requires a 4 wire headphone wire. I bought that and a db9 null modem cable. I swore I had a db9...
[Other TouchPad Development] adzidek:
Do you plan on releasing a Plasma Active build soon? Very excited to see that!
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
yes... soon... uhh.. got me. Plasma Active was kind of boring. Ubuntu Touch is cooler.

I want to see Nemo and Sailfish. And OpenWebOS. And then Gnome Wayland would be neat... Working on that everyday...
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
http://pastebin.com/bTXxJddi

finally got the kernel we use in android to use the mer ramdisk... yay!

also have serial console for usb and a prolific usb to rs232

4c4

< # Sun Jun 30 02:52:45 2013

---

> # Mon Nov 4 02:33:01 2013

39,40c39,40

< CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="-cyanogenmod"

< # CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO is not set

---

> CONFIG_LOCALVERSION=""

> CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO=y

48c48

< # CONFIG_SWAP is not set

---

> CONFIG_SWAP=y

54c54

< # CONFIG_AUDIT is not set

---

> CONFIG_AUDIT=y

172a173

> # CONFIG_CGROUP_BFQIO is not set

537c538

< CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=%s rootwait ro fbcon=disable hs_uart=1 console=ttyUSB0,115200n8 androidboot.console=ttyUSB0 androidboot.serialno=%s %s%s%s%s%s%s"

---

> CONFIG_CMDLINE="fb=0x7f600000 fbcon=disable console=ttyUSB0,115200n8 klog=0x7ff00000 klog_len=0x100000 boardtype=topaz-Wifi-pv"

1000c1001,1002

< # CONFIG_DEVTMPFS is not set

---

> CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y

> # CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT is not set

2495a2498

> # CONFIG_RAMZSWAP is not set

2518,2519c2521,2522

< # CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL is not set

< # CONFIG_EXT3_FS_SECURITY is not set

---

> CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL=y

> CONFIG_EXT3_FS_SECURITY=y

2522,2523c2525,2526

< # CONFIG_EXT4_FS_POSIX_ACL is not set

< # CONFIG_EXT4_FS_SECURITY is not set

---

> CONFIG_EXT4_FS_POSIX_ACL=y

> CONFIG_EXT4_FS_SECURITY=y

2532c2535

< # CONFIG_FS_POSIX_ACL is not set

---

> CONFIG_FS_POSIX_ACL=y

2544,2545c2547,2548

< # CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS is not set

< # CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS is not set

---

> CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS=y

> CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS=y

2547a2551

> CONFIG_GENERIC_ACL=y

2580c2584

< # CONFIG_TMPFS_POSIX_ACL is not set

---

> CONFIG_TMPFS_POSIX_ACL=y

2913a2918

> CONFIG_AUDIT_GENERIC=y
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Your missing the ut-data partition for some reason!
[Other TouchPad Development] dadod1:
Hey jshafer817,

Thanks for your fantastic work. I stepped into your Thread yesterday and had to give it a trial. I had to run the installation twice because i made some mistakes (didn't understand in the first time, that i had to use your cm10.1 rom and so i used the cm10.1-20131021 rom), so i got only a blank black screen when i installed your UT Rom. After wipe of partition and cache and installing cm10.1 and UT again all works great.

greets dadod1
[Other TouchPad Development] jokergermany:
Ok i will try to follow this instruction again:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46345213&postcount=292

OK?

BTW:

Can i restore my android cwm backup at the end?
[Other TouchPad Development] preflex:
Correct partition sizes?

What are the correct partition sizes set up by UbuntuTouch_Partition_Creator for ut-data ut-system and ut-cache? I would like to know in order to set up the partitions manually.
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
You will want to use uimage-extract from moboot to extract the init ram filesystem from the kernel.

Then you can decompress it, look at it, change it... make it your own.

It is ACEINSTALLER3 but changed. Take a look, you will be glad you did. It is fun.

Look at my notes on the fist thread. Those are commands I use a lot but, I don't have them memorized. They are helpful. Going to try to get qt-wayland to work today... Oy!
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Hmmmmm..... Haven't tried to restore a cwm backup.... Uhh... you can try.. We are not using the cm- lvm partitions.. but... who knows! :laugh:

You do at your own risk, like usual. I know cwm didn't like the older /data/ partition but ubuntu has since thn changed it.. so.. you could try.. plus I don't use the cm partitions..

I have a y spliiter connected to a powered usb hub with a prolific usb to rs232 adapter going to my pc. Fun stuff.
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
PRODUCT_PACKAGES += \ look for this in buid/core/target something.. grep for it... added libhybris to the external folder.

add this so far.. (trying to build my own without ubuntu touch being used in /system for mer)

libcamera_compat_layer \

libis_compat_layer \

libmedia_compat_layer \ ( I think this only exists in ubuntu-touch)

libsf_compat_layer \

libui_compat_layer \

direct_camera_test \

direct_input_test \

direct_media_test \

direct_sf_test \

upstart-property-watcher
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Oh.. and I can look for you.. eventually.. I ran my tablet down to 0 battery.. Charging all the way to 100.

Sweet.. it built. running make clean and brunch tenderloin.

direct_media_test is missing, otherwise.. seems okay... Maybe this is why we don't have hardware acceleration for videos in ubuntu touch? Because the Ubuntu Touch fork of hybris added the media-compat-layer.. =) Which is new. Along with mir sink in gstreamer.
[Other TouchPad Development] preflex:
Thank you for all your hard work. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what you mean by "use uimage-extract from moboot". I tried cloning this git repo: git clone https://code.google.com/p/moboot , but I'm getting errors when i try to build:

$ make moboot/lib/zlib/crc32.o
cc -c -o moboot/lib/zlib/crc32.o moboot/lib/zlib/crc32.c
moboot/lib/zlib/crc32.c:176:35: error: conflicting types for ‘get_crc_table’
In file included from moboot/lib/zlib/zutil.h:22:0,
from moboot/lib/zlib/crc32.c:35:
/usr/include/zlib.h:1731:37: note: previous declaration of ‘get_crc_table’ was here
make: *** [moboot/lib/zlib/crc32.o] Error 1

Rather than hunting down the solution to this tangentially related problem, and then sifting through the filesystem to find this one small piece of information, could someone please post the relevant output from lvs from a working installation? I just want to know how big the partitions are supposed to be. I think I already have plenty of free space, ready to be allocated. I just don't know how big to make the partitions.
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
https://github.com/mer-packages/qtbase/commit/853dc109c0de08f290b48b5f327616a98beec9cb
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Status Update:

I now have nemomobile running lipstick with eglfs platform.

:D

Going to try to get the touchscreen working now.. and themes working after the first boot.. of course.. perhaps sailfish will not do that...

:good::good::good::good::good::good::good::good::good::good::good::good:

with libhybris... and CM9 port.

some more notes.

cd /dev

rm -f /dev/log

mkdir /dev/log

cd /dev/log

ln -s /dev/log_main main

ln -s /dev/log_system system

ln -s /dev/log_events events

ln -s /dev/log_radio radio

mkdir /dev/graphics

cd /dev/graphics

ln -s /dev/fb0 fb0

chmod 666 /dev/genlock

chmod 666 /dev/log*

chmod 666 /dev/log/*

chmod 666 /dev/kgsl*

can you run /system/bin/logcat and surfaceflinger?

:cool:

muhahahahahaha
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
Touchscreen is now working.. automatic bootup.

Time for sailfish again! Should be MUCH easier now that I got nemomobile working.. As sailfish is based on nemo..

Should be easy to get gui and touchscreen. no promises after that.

YAY! Gui and Touchscreen is now working. Posted a download link in a new thread. Okay.. back to Ubuntu Touch for this thread!
[Other TouchPad Development] adzidek:
Woot!
[Other TouchPad Development] AP0ll0UK:
I have a bit of a problem.

I've come from CM 10 JC Sullins, and tried to upgrade to ubuntu 13.10. I booted into ClockWorkMod, did the factory reset, then tried to install saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip but the progress bar gets about half way through and the Touchpad then reboots. I've tried to reinstall it but the same thing occurs. I've opened the archive and WinRar doesn't complain that it's damaged. Windows reports the files as being '358,105 KB' in size.

I did try to flash ubuntu-touch-rootfs-quantal-20130422-0-tf300t.zip but as I suspected when I tried to launch Ubuntu from the main menu, it simply boots into a blank screen and goes no further.

Can anyone shed any light on why this may be occuring please?

---------- Post added at 07:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:08 PM ----------

I have a bit of a problem.

I've come from CM 10 JC Sullins, and tried to upgrade to ubuntu 13.10. I booted into ClockWorkMod, did the factory reset, then tried to install saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip but the progress bar gets about half way through and the Touchpad then reboots. I've tried to reinstall it but the same thing occurs. I've opened the archive and WinRar doesn't complain that it's damaged. Windows reports the files as being '358,105 KB' in size.

I did try to flash ubuntu-touch-rootfs-quantal-20130422-0-tf300t.zip but as I suspected when I tried to launch Ubuntu from the main menu, it simply boots into a blank screen and goes no further.

Can anyone shed any light on why this may be occuring please?
[Other TouchPad Development] jshafer817:
quantal? that is old.. hmm.. have you booted the ubuntu partition creator kernels on the first thread. You will need to do that one time to create the ubuntu touch lvm partitions. If the partitions do not exist, then the rootfs.zip will fail when you go to install it.

Also.. try this for ClockworkMod.. remove uImage.ClockworkMod on boot and use this one. Call it uImage.ClockworkMod

http://gdurl.com/gHci

That is what I use.. I know it works.. and you can use adb with clockworkmod. Be sure /dev/store/ has 2 partitions

/dev/store/ut-system and ut-data
[Other TouchPad Development] AP0ll0UK:
Thanks for the info mate. If I'm honest I think it was user error coupled with a long Monday and getting a bit muddled up in the process which is why I ended up using the wrong file.

I have the correct file now and have started again and run it through so ClockWorkMod is doing it's thing at the moment. Hopefully after the reboot it will boot into Ubuntu.

I have to say I can't wait to see this in action on my tablet. And it may just extend the life of my Touchpad slightly as I was considering selling it in the new year and buying a Nexus 10. I've had a bit of a rocky road with Ubuntu this past 2 years as it was a very steep learning curve to start with but having run it on a box at home for a while now I'm certainly aware of the benefits. I just hope that the build for the Touchpad is just as impressive!
[Other TouchPad Development] AP0ll0UK:
It all looks very nice, I'm quite impressed!! I'm seeing quite a bit of lag but it seems to be downloading apps and I have it tethered via my mobile so it seems to be taking a while, I'm just hoping some kind of market place appears as I don't see anything at the moment for downloading apps.

When it's not lagging it does seem very smooth. Some of the standard icons are lacking a bit but that's just cosmetic. It seems well worth persevering with before the Touchpad is retired and sold on. I'm tempted to get a keyboard case :)
[Other TouchPad Development] dadadel:
troubles to install Ubuntu Touch

Hi,

I have WebOS and CM10.1 running well but I fail to install ubuntu.

I had installed a while ago quantal desktop that was really unstable in dual boot with Webos.

Recently, I downloaded the files of the first post, I run the ubuntu desktop uninstaller.

I used ACMEinstaller5 to install a version of CM10.1 but when booting the CM it was rebooting after a time showing a fixed strange head logo.

So I insalled the first post's CWM, CM and Ubuntu Touch at the end.

CM works! But when booting ubuntu touch, it shows a black (lighted) screen and nothing more (even waiting a looong time).

Then I uninstalled it. Since I am unable to reinstall it. I launched the ubuntu touch uninstaller, then partion creator, and after that using CWM I tried to install saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz without success. Everything seems to work fine but I have no entry in the moboot menu for ubuntu. I tried with the CWM of the first post and the one of the post #344 with same result.

I took a look to the rfs of UbuntuTouch_Partition_Creator where a S90partition script creates volumes and format them. I discovered that /dev/store/ubuntu-root was still containing my quantal. So I reformated it in ext4. The ut-system contains lost+found, the ut-data cannot be mounted. After formating ubuntu-root, it's impossible to mount it.

I rebooted and relaunched the installation of saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz using CWM.

No more entry of ubuntu in moboot and using novaterm ut-data, ubuntu-root still can't be mounted and ut-system contains a new time lost+founds.

I don't know how to get more informations about what is failing.

Any idea?
[Other TouchPad Development] Fr3nZy:
The instructions in the first post aren't very clear about what will be done and what will be lost. Part says Dual-Boot and part says Triple Boot.

I have WebOS and CM10.1 installed using ACME3. Never installed or re-partitioned for Ubuntu. I would like to be able to triple boot. I created a backup of Android and, as a precaution, copied everything off of the internal SD, and have novaterm installed.

What is the procedure to install Ubuntu and keep WebOS and Android?

Also, will anything be factory reset? Will my SD be formatted during re-partition?
[Other TouchPad Development] kicker22004:
Don't feel bad i've yet to get this too boot...an all i'm trying to do is webos and UT....just did a full 3.0 doctor to 3.0.5 and got Mboot and CWM and trying again after using the partition creator.... also i'm wondering if the new CWM is causing the fails because it is made for android 4.4..would like some feedback and a way to get this working.
[Other TouchPad Development] kicker22004:
OK so this time i didn't use acme installer just the ubuntu partition creator to see what was happaning...this is with no moboot or CWM and after it runs it reboots to WebOS and i used Tailor to see partitions and all i have is 25.516GB USB(Media) and 8mb unused..so the partition creator is not working for some reason...any tips on where to go from here?
[Other TouchPad Development] next_lv2:
:what:
[Other TouchPad Development] kicker22004:
Tablet it charged and ready for testing again....from stock doctor 3.0.5 what should I do in order to get just webOs and UT?
[Other TouchPad Development] adzidek:
If you follow this:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46345213&postcount=292

There's literally almost nothing you can do to screw it up. Just follow it word for word.
[Other TouchPad Development] kicker22004:
Well looks like if anyone could somehow mess it up it's me... all i get is a black screen with ADB...i do get root@ubuntu-phablet:/#

Any ideas now?
[Other TouchPad Development] adzidek:
LOL to be honest I've been in a similar situation before, and when I added up all the time and effort it took to try and figure out how to fix it - it was much more efficient to just start over. Like ALL the way over, from scratch. I did it three times before it worked. Not sure why that is, considering I did it the exact same way every time, but nonetheless it worked on the third try.

Good luck!
[Other TouchPad Development] kicker22004:
Man that's no fun. OP you have any suggestions or tests you would like me to try first?