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[Nexus 4 General] Marcb:
Just to clarify, I'm NOT against the manufacturers improve the processors... it's not what I meant... What I meant is that they should improve in different technologies inside the processor... not just bump the "GHz's" and cores...

New instructions, new ways of doing things...

It's like this: Intel's Core 2 Quad has the same speeds and same cores as a Core i5 Ivy Bridge, but compare the real performance difference... it's huge...

Also the new litography is great... but they keep bumping the speeds, then the new 28nm has the same impact in battery life as a 32nm or 45nm with lower speeds and voltage...

There's no difference in actual real life performance in 1.5Ghz or 1.7Ghz, or even 2.0Ghz... you won't notice the 0,03ms difference in opening an app...
[Nexus 4 General] Reamer09:
I'd like to see the focus shift towards battery tech a little bit. What about silicon-anode batteries that's suppose to last 10x longer than li-ion? Faster processors is great, and getting the thermal levels under control is probably the next place that needs focusing on, but these are useless if the phone won't power them throughout the day.

Sent from my Nexus 10
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
If your battery lasts too long, then perhaps consumers are less likely to purchase new handsets as frequently. These companies are all bound money, I'm not sure if power batteries are inline with their message.
[Nexus 4 General] Reamer09:
I was meaning the day to day life of the battery is suppose to be 10x longer. I don't know what their overall life is suppose to be. Motorola achieved what I'd like to see in the Droid Maxx with the 3300mAh battery so it could actually be used heavily throughout the day and not be concerned about it dying.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Oops I thought you meant 10x as days from single charge, or more recharge cycles. Though I'd love the moto x battery tech from LG to be in the N5.
[Nexus 4 General] boltthrower56:
Read that post again and you will realize that i didn't say "APPLE SUX , IT HAS 1 Gig RAM! , WORST CPU AMG!"...

You are jumping to conclusions , apparently you wanted to bash somebody for this reason but there is no need to be a fanboy.

Apple's IOS has it's own specs and so does Android , there is no point in comparing them in neither the software nor the hardware level.

Since Google and Apple are both businesses and they are both in the smartphone industry , we can compare their business strategies.

Moto X has a business strategy comparable to that of Apple's Iphone. Now , we know that Snapdragon 800 SoC is a much better SoC than Snapdragon S4 Pro in terms of Performance. (Unlike in IOS vs Android comparison , we can actually compare them) Why did Motorola go with an outdated SoC in a high-end smartphone ? They wanted to make a point. That point proves how much you can go forward just with optimizations.

It's loud and clear.

On the other hand , those of us who actually await a smartphone that has serious gaming capabilities , we always want better hardware.

Optimizations alone cannot deliver any more performance than you already have in your hardware.

I want my phone and my pc to have the same OS , for that , the smartphone industry needs to do a lot of catching up.
[Nexus 4 General] albundy2010:
Just no.

They didn't want to pull a apple. First apple always puts the best possible silicon in their flagship's.

They didn't pick the SoC to make a point. No OEM would do such a silly thing

How about since Motorola got acquired by Google there is a a lot restructuring that goes on. Which equals delays. Look at how long this family of devices took to come out. The device is late and thus is running on old HW.

All this they don't care about specs and they are trying to make a point is PR nonsense.

Yes there is a point to compare the silicon on android and apple devices.

The entire apple business model comparison is rubbish. Because Motorola used a older outdated chip they are following apples business model is pure nonsense. That is just fanboy bs trying to defend the internals / price and failing miserably.
[Nexus 4 General] boltthrower56:
How do you even know it's the best for god's sake , Iphone is the only phone which has that SoC , since we don't have another smartphone that runs IOS there is no way of "effectively" comparing it to other silicones... (Different Kernel , Different Framework. Thus , Different Scores )

Just because it has an amazingly optimized ui , doesn't make it the best.

Also , whether it's a PR bull**** or not , it doesn't matter because the message was received in a manner like i explained it. There are videos for god's sake from respected tech websites , acknowledging the fact.

Since you mentioned , what is Google Glass , Chromebook Pixel ?

These are experiments , just like Moto X.

They all failed miserably but ;

They plant these ideas on your head , at first they come a bit ugly , in time they flourish and leave their scent everywhere.

Where are we now ? Nexus 4 forums at xda.

Yes , the whole nexus series were based on Apple's business model with a few tweaks here and there from Google.

Why the f... else would they create their exclusive smartphone series , why else would they acquire Motorola ?...

They are trying to create an open-source IPHONE!.
[Nexus 4 General] albundy2010:
How do I know it's the best? Because I pay attention. When you put the most powerful GPUs and arm good core designs together they perform. Ui is irrelevant. Apple puts and always put the best silicon possible in their devices. Instead of wasting your time reading those leading garbage tech sites. Look at the ones that actually break down the SoCs.

Respected tech sites don't mean a damn thing. Almost all of them are know nothing blogs. They don't know a damn thing about hardware period.

Moto x is a not a chrome book pixel. Its a device aimed a mass the market along with all the other x8 devices on Verizon.

Google is not trying to create a open source iPhone.

Sorry bro but you have no idea what you're talking about on this matter
[Nexus 4 General] boltthrower56:
UI doesn't matter.

Repected tech websites (that includes xda obviously) don't know sh.t.

I don't have a clue what i'm talking about.

Only you know everything.

You're a glorified narcisist , you are not interested in anyone's opinion but yours.

The thing you wrote up there , is ridiculous.

You had me at "i pay attention".

You are the only person on this planet who can actually benchmark an SoC with speculation.

Have a good day sir.

I will no longer argue with you because i now know that the only thing you're capable of is repeating the following statement;

"Apple puts the best silicon in their products."

Anything less than the best , you will cry 'till late night , keep mommy and daddy awake.

I had hoped that you were actually putting me on by referring to the silicon glues.

But no , you're damn serious...
[Nexus 4 General] randomnoob83:
Just a passing comment to break the tension of people flipping out, carry on
[Nexus 4 General] albundy2010:
More nonsense

Ui doesn't matter at all for what we are talking about. The silicon. Judging how fast the SoC is based on the ui is pointless and irrelevant.

Xda doesn't review phones. And most xda users don't know a damn thing. But speaking of tech sites they don't know crap about hardware. Take your pick. The verge, Engadget, android authority / central etc just don't know hardware.

Since you can't use facts you got to call me a narcissist.

And your benchmark with speculation. Yawn. I pay attention does not mean that all. Another example of you just making up nonsense. I pay attention to ALL the details and the design of the SoC. All the details of various test to actually test the SoC as best as possible

Put I paid attention to the powervr SFX 543mp3. the 32 NM LP HK process. The clock speed of the cores. The size of the cores. The prefetchers and cache etc.

You want a breakdown of the entire swift core / a6 read anands iPhone 5 review.

Facts are what says apple puts the best chips it possibly can into their devices. Not opinion. Again I don't base anything off some irrelevant ui crap. Or oh it feels faster.

If for some reason you think apple doesn't put top tier chips in their device you simply don't know what you're talking about. Its not about me being right or a know it all. I know enough that its just wrong.

Just as it was wrong to say moto is doing the apple the strategy with the dual core chip. Its just flat out wrong. Apple spends a ton money building its own in house custom arm core. Even apple with all its money has to justify doing so to its board / shareholders by getting the performance from its chips that warrants all the money spent bringing in some of the best CPU guys and making their own custom SoC.

Put keep on reading the "respected " tech sites that breakdown of the apple SoC that includes nothing more than reading the label off the box. Or the spec sheet from apples device.

Or keep reading xda to gather info on the apple SoC. A site that doesn't even do reviewers. A site that is full of android lovers. A site that has plenty of clueless individuals. All you got to do is browse the q and a threads to see some great examples. Xda is last place on the internet where one should look for a apple SoC breakdown.
[Nexus 4 General] Xmaster8:
So what are you doing here iPhone lover?
[Nexus 4 General] boltthrower56:
Yet , here we are discussing an SoC's effectiveness on xda forums.

It's not the last place after all if you know where to look.

Say what you want , i don't **** where i eat.

You're just speculating (again speculating , stop that **** , it's nonsense) that since they put one of the best gpus on the market to the device , the rest of the SoC must be stupidly good as well. (The rest of your speculations are for show , apple doesn't even disclose most of it's hardware let alone it's specs.)

This time you had me at "design" , what is this ? you got a f...ing data sheet for apple a6 ? It's worth thousands of dollars , for your information , please go right away to Samsung and sell it , you can thank me later.

32 nm production isn't impressive , since we're down to 22 now , qualcomm was already making 28 nm SoCs , by the time Iphone 5 was released.

(Nexus 4 , Hello ?)

Don't even try to be a smartass about the nodes.

Prefetchers ? Come on , you must think i'm extremely stupid or illiterate.

Let me save you the trouble , i'm not.

Prefetcher , is something that prefetches data before use , Cache can also be called a prefetcher , Ram , any kind of stored data really.

That term is not associated with hardware though , it's a software term.

Next time you make something up , don't , just go over to the wikipedia , find something useful , lie better.

Why didn't they make a threaded quad-core cpu instead of a dual core ?

Because they think you don't need it.

and Don't give me that quad core is useless crap.

If you utilize it well , a same architecture's quad-core cpu will outperform the **** out of a dual-core.

If you can't , make it threaded , much like intel's but instead of doubling instruction counts per core , offload half of the instructions to a twin core by assigning a fifth core for scheduling. (Your mind blown.)

There are a million ways they could have made it better for that hefty price tag , they didn't , so it's not the best.

End of story.

You said i didn't have facts , now eat these facts.
[Nexus 4 General] adrian089:
Pointless discussion IMHO. They're both better than good enough. Are we emulating ps2 games on our phones now or something I don't know about that we need so much power? Seriously, I just game from a gs2 on the blue kuban rom to a nexus 4 on cm 10.2 and I can barely tell the difference other than the N4 being a bit more smooth.

Also the wifi reception on the N4 is way better than the gs2.
[Nexus 4 General] boltthrower56:
We're moving towards mobile computing. That in a couple of years will mean that your smartphone will have the same OS as your computer.

For example ubuntu touch , when docked , it's actually running ubuntu itself.

Android or IOS may not be able to utilize all the resources of a high-end device but ubuntu can. That is why we (or I) need more resources.

I'm not so big on smartphone gaming.

I have dota 2 on my pc and it satisfies my every need between mass effect sequels...
[Nexus 4 General] adrian089:
I've been looking forward to ubuntu touch and the docking. However I thought this was going to be exclusive to the possible ubuntu edge. I must have been mistaken. You make a good point though, I had forgotten about it at the time of my post. I do love the interface and speed of ubuntu but continue to use windows due lesser flash and silverlight support, and instability. Pipelight is a nice solution to lacking silverlight but I can't get it to stay full screen on one monitor while working on another with my dual monitor setup.
[Nexus 4 General] boltthrower56:
Flash is almost dead dude. It's been shot 27 times it's just a matter of time 'till it bleeds out.

No comment on silverlight besides there are alternatives to it.

They might not be stable as you pointed out.

Docking feature is the motto of ubuntu mobile , they claim they are not trying to rival android rather provide docking options which will run a desktop os. Android is out trying to win the tablet and smartphone wars while ubuntu provides aerial support for android.

It's all in ubuntu's webpage , you should check it out.
[Nexus 4 General] albundy2010:
I am not a iPhone lover. I actually really dislike them.

But I am not a blind fanboy like most around here
[Nexus 4 General] fortunz:
Been hearing this for years. And I still need flash to access stuff all over everywhere. Amazon just moved to silverlight for streaming, but if you want to access it outside windows, they have a flash backup, which is fortunate for android users. I'd be happy for everyone to use html5, but I'd rather not lose access to mountains of content years in advance of everyone actually delivering it that way.

I don't disagree, I'm just afraid it's gonna take another hundred shots to finish flash off. And then there's the undead flash era to survive. :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] albundy2010:
Here is part of the conclusion from the anadtech iphone 5 review.

"Swift appears to offer better power/performance efficiency than any other currently available ARM architecture. Its architecture, performance and power profile most closely resemble Qualcomm’s 28nm Krait/Snapdragon S4, although through hardware or software optimizations it appears to be able to come out slightly ahead. Apple complicates the gains in performance by increasing clock speed dramatically over the iPhone 4S, which makes the architecture look more revolutionary than evolutionary in nature. A good part of the 2x increase in CPU performance compared to the iPhone 4S boils down to clock speed, however there are significant improvements to the memory subsystem that really help things. ARM’s Cortex A15 will likely pull ahead of Swift in CPU performance, although it remains to be seen how it will compare in power and what Apple will respond with in late 2013."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/22 But nope it wasnt using the best silicon when it came out......
[Nexus 4 General] boltthrower56:
I know , my basis for that was adobe actually , they admitted publicly that they don't give a sh.t about flash and dropped support for android.

In turn Unity dropped them , now it's all gone to sh.t with youtube thinking of switching to html5.

I imagine they will be switching to html5 in 2 years tops. I give flash 6 months after youtube drops it.

All in all , 2.5 years later , it will be nothing but an unpleasant memory.

I say unpleasant because adobe toys with the users , they have a poor administration with a ceo known for making chain mistakes and a board of directors stupid enough to approve all this.

There was a time when i just loved working with flash , sites that use flash were thought to be great. Just not anymore.

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These are just speculations , your thing.

Appears to be , appears to do.

He would have said "maybe" but was too ashamed of it apparently.

I'm sober now , i'm not gonna take 30 minutes to write you a hefty letter.

If you buy me a couple of beers for enlightening you though , i would consider replying , there is just no way i'm arguing with you sober.
[Nexus 4 General] Reamer09:
As for the flash argument, there's still sites that rely heavily on flash that isn't simply embedded YouTube videos. Unfortunately, I agree that it is going to be bleeding out for a very long time.

Cisco's Netacad courses is one example and they had announced last year that there would be complete mobile compatible versions of their learning site by 2013...guess who is still almost solely dependent on flash when the mobile version has been dropped..

Luckily Firefox with the latest flash APK installed works decently, but it could be better.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] boltthrower56:
No , no , no.

You got me wrong. I'm talking about the consumer end of things. We have alternatives for example i use gnash , they dropped the mobile market , linux , not really supporting the windows version either.

It's almost dead to the consumer market , not the whole wide world.

Windows users are also starting to make alternative players.

That is why i'm predicting it's doom.

Commercially it's gonna be used for a long time. "In 2.5 years it's gonna be dead for the consumer market" would be a better speculation on my part.

There are people still playing pacman out there , in that sense it could last a century but in a fashion sense , html5 in flash out.
[Nexus 4 General] Xmaster8:
Ok let me give you my objective opinion about iPhone (5 especially). My sister has iPhone 5 i have N4.

I dont care what mega quality of silicon they put in the device. I care about other things like screen sensitivity for example which is a disaster (a bit better on a replacement now). It just doesnt pick those soft touches like my nexus. You have to push on the screen not just tap to do something... Its like using Nokia 5800...
[Nexus 4 General] albundy2010:
Enlighten me? Lol. You're funny when you're sober.

Krait 300 HAS a hardware prefetcher BTW.

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I am not saying I care about the silicon in the device that way.

I was talking about that what moto did the their x8 thing was not doing what apple does. Or the apple way or whatever it was worded.

I wouldn't personally use a iPhone no matter what chip is in it. I can't stand the platform nor can I stand the form factor.

The nexus 4 isn't known for its screen sensitivity either by the way. Its one of the things custom kernels addressed on 4 2 by either using the older touch driver or a custom one. I think Franco for example wrote one.

Even though the 4 was worse than my nexus s on the touch side it was good enough for me. I didn't notice until I seen people asking kernel devs to use the older more sensitive touch driver....
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] anitgandhi:
Alright guys I'm moving to the nexus 4. its been a great 2 years with you!

My mytouch is going to my mom most probably, so I won't be able to mess with it as much (if at all). I'll probably end up on jellybeanDS for her phone, once the KB lights are fixed.

I want to give a special thank you to the following for really maxing out this phone through your awesome dev work):

Kornyone

Tbalden

SilverL

Xmc wildchild22

Scverhagen

Weekendsr2short

Blue six

Undeadk9 (from way back when)

Anyone else I'm forgetting

And of course you guys. There's a great community here. I'll be in and out of here and keep an eye on some ROMs ;)
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Emmanuel U:
Sorry to see you go, hope you enjoy the Nexus 4 as I heard its a good phone. BTW your forgetting steve (scverhagen) in your list there and wow you remember zombiedog? That was way back in the day!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] anitgandhi:
Ahh yes I knew I forgot someone. Throwing him on there now. Lol yeah zombiedog was a long time ago
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] wiswis:
im acctually leaving the doubleshot too, im selling it here on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200966019763?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

pretty cheap
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] WeekendsR2Short:
Sorry I missed you! I hope you enjoy that Nexus 4. I have been mine. You'll be missed bro but ya know what? You might want to show your mom how to flash a few ROMs or set her up a few of your favorite backups to flash back to. I'm no spring chicken myself but I just LOVE IT! LOL

Good Luck! Enjoy! We Hope To See You Around!!!

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Hate to see you head out Wiswis! You will be missed around here. Good Luck.....and come back often!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] x0rsw1tch:
I know the feeling. I'll be getting a Note 3 when it comes out... I'm gonna miss my good old MT4GS and its physical keyboard.

What i wont miss is my broken back button.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] strapped365:
The Nexus 4 is an animal of a phone....but I will be upgrading to the Nexus 5 very very soon. I just have to see what devs go when, because PsX is def my daily and I won't leave till that Dev does. But to each their own.

Sent from my Freaked Out NeXuS⁴
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] WeekendsR2Short:
Nexus 5? I've heard about it but not seen it yet. I've seen the Moto X they have been calling the "Nexus 5"......but is it? I need to do some more reading. I MUST not keep up like I thought I did. LOL

As a "Nexus" device, do you suppose its price will be as consumer friendly as the N4 is? It's a GREAT phone but price IS a huge part of that beauty.

Well.....looks like I haven't kept up! Nexus 5
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
Google has already called for a press conference on Oct. 14, supposedly to announce the Nexus 5, with the phone beginning shipment the end of the month. Some leaked info points to them finally offering a 64GB model, ditching the 8GB model (so having 16, 32, and 64 GB models available), and that all models will have between 3-4 GB of RAM. Also, they may introduce a Lytro-like camera, as well as a 2700 mAh battery.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] WeekendsR2Short:
They're talking like it's the fastest thing out there right now too. Simply amazing how far they have come in the 18 months since my BB broke! Just amazing! I hope they have spent a little time on the camera.

So.....anyone wanna buy a mint Nexus 4?? LMAO! ;)
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
If the camera really is a 13+ MP Lytro-style, then it will be awesom. Lytro is a light field camera, truly amazing.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] strapped365:
What's the ticket on that Mint N4?. I might pick another one up along with the 5.

That way me and my lady are rocking the 4.....while all the good devs make their way to the 5.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blsrbl:
Hey guys, i am trying to install sqlite3 using sqlite3 installer for root (available on play store) to get the preferred network on GSM instead of WCDMA but i'm getting this error: "Error in install process: /system/xbin/sqlite3: open failed: EROFS (Read-only file system)" although i've granted root permissions to the app. Any ideas?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cod3warrior:
Latest sqlite3-3.7.16

Use the attached sqlite3...extract & copy it to the /system/xbin folder...give execute permissions and it should work...

Just tested today with my Nexus 4 to read out whatsapp notification message contents via tasker...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blsrbl:
Thanks bro. I'll try it when get back home.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blsrbl:
Thanks. It worked. But unfortunately, i can't set the preferred network for some reason. Thanks for your help anyway :good:.