yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
Sounds encouraging. When do you notice the slowness? Any particular app or situtation?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Mashie:
I will say, that since I stopped using a task closing application, my K-Jam seems speedier! I am guessing that is because the programs are now loading from ROM which is much slower then RAM. Currently I have the following programs running..

Calendar

Windows Media

MSN Messenger

Pocket MSN

Internet Explorer

ACtivesync

Outlook E-Mail

I still have 10.94MB of program memory left
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] skagen:
Yes indeed. Nonsense being propaganda from an asshole who gets free phones and works for someone making them.

Do yourself a favor and shut up. You have no right to come here ANONYMOUSLY critisize anyone who actually pays their hard earned money for the phone - which by implication pays your salary.

If there is critisism of the phone, shut up, takes notes and go back and tell your masters the feedback. Thats all you have the right to do.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
You are wrong on all counts, but I would say that wouldn't I :wink: The only one of those around here is someone who time and time again ignores hard facts, bases their whole argument on supposition and fantasy without a shred of evidence to back it up, and is so far detached from the real world that anyone who dissents against his "word" is a conspirator controlled by some mythical "Ali". Go to a dark room and lay down before the voices take over.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
Precisely, which is why the OS was designed that way when PPCs were a quarter of the speed they are now. Sure, it's outdated, but as auto close apps are so widespread (and built into some applications like Pocket Informant), it's not a problem to change if you don't want to work that way.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] skagen:
Eaxctly what you need to do - stupid ****.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] :
Pipe down guys. Please.

Actually, IMHO the only persons that can really illuminate us in this aspect (fat or not) are those who had in the past the JAM/S100 and now have bought the K-JAM/9100 and can confront them right away.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
Welcome to a world:-

Of paranoia:-

Of ignorance:-

(ignoring the fact that Smartphone navigation is all one-handed as it doesn't use a touch screen)

(ignoring the fact that even the biggest thumb can touch the text, as well as the icon, to launch Start).

(ignoring the fact that all contact details are accessable from the Phone app)

(ignoring the fact that this was intentional, and still offers some benefit)

Of contradiction:-

Of denial:-

(Dismissing the fact that a slimmer, faster, keyboardless Jam will soon be available.)

Of reasoned discussion:-

Of integrity:-

Ah yes, we can all see that now. :?:

You still haven't answered my simple question Skagen. Why _are_ you still using the Jam after 8 months (and hanging around on a WM enthusiasts' site), if you loathe both the hardware and the OS so much?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
Well I did _try_ to get things back on topic, before our Danish-American friend waded back in with his obscenities. Got to admit, his refusal to listen to others' opinions, out of hand dismissal of real world evidence, branding of all who disagree as propagandists and conspirators, and insistance that his way is the only way, sounds a bit too familiar. Perhaps he believes that the Windows Of Mobile Devices is something more sinister?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] skagen:
As I said, you're a dumb ****. This site includes

a lot

of people who come here to resolve problems.

As for the phone I bought it and specialist software which would cost me money to replace on another platform so I'm seeing out my contract.

Some of us actually have skin in the game. We are not stupid jokers like your dumb ass getting them for free and spewing crap on message boards. Undelrined by the fact that you think only "enthusiasts" use this website. Moron - people come here as much to fingure why their phone isn't doing XYZ as the do come here to "enthuse". In your

stupidity

you're apparently unable to discern the presensce of that wide range of users. You think its all "toys". Well its not.

So feel free to crawl back under whatever rock you came from. Nobody is interested in your 50 page dissertations to nowhere.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
Feel better now? Good. Nurse will be along in minute. :lol:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] kevwright:
Actually skagen, were I you, I would give up now.

It is you that is coming over as a silly kid in this, not the other guy.

I just read the whole thread fresh tonight as I am considering a K-Jam, and previouley owned a JAM.

Now I guess, I will just get called names but keep this in mind.

I AGREE with you on lots of the points you make (the negatives ones) about the Original JAM (and other PPC's)

Wanna know what I did about it? I sold it for only a VERY small loss and bought something else. As I am a Brit, I can't really say "go figure"......

Have a nice day!

Kev
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
Stop replying to this thread. It's obvious he's a troll so you're all just feeding him. I'm fed up of seeing this at the top of the forum each time I log on :D

The next person who replies to this thread will have to have some sort of serious problem ;p
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] skagen:
Considering that he started directly attacking me, I personally don't give a damn what you think. Its not the first time he's done it, either. He wants to go at it, we'll be here all day - or all year.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
That's rich, coming from someone who makes allegations out of thin air, resorts to abuse when corrected, and posts profanities in a public forum. The sooner you get your N91 and disappear off to the Nokia forums the better.

Now, back to the Wizard.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] skagen:
If by "corrected" you mean subjected to propaganda such as lack of an option to close a program being termed a "feature", then not surprising its rejected. I haven't seen such poor efforts at propaganda in my lifetime. Nor is that "thin air".

As long as you continue to attack me or insist on demeaning or provoking me you can expect a response in kind or worse. I have zero respect for you - so that's the way I will respond to your garbage. If you haven't learned that much by now, then you must be dumber than even I think.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
I mean replacement of your wildly inaccurate statements (see earlier list) with fact, and the paranoid fantasies and conspiracy theories you pluck from thin air over my connections with WM device vendors.

Not terminating applications _was_ a deliberate design decision on early slow PPCs, and _can_ be advantageous on the devices like the Wizard due to the slow loading of programs from ROM. Comments in this thread and in other reviews back this up.

I have zero respect for anyone who constantly makes statements which bear no relation to fact, fails to recognise that occasionly he may be wrong, or that there can be a reason for designing things the way they are. I have even less respect for someone who refuses to listen to what anyone else says (not just from me), but instead responds with foul mouthed name calling and abuse.

As I said, it's not our fault you didn't research what you were buying, and locked yourself into a long term contract. You could have cut your losses long ago and swapped for something more suitable. Stop trying to make everyone else suffer because you didn't, and use the rest of your contract term to enjoy what the Jam _can_ offer, instead of what it can't.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] skagen:
I researched what I was buying thanks. It was mirespresented. And last I checked the makers chose to push these phones under contracts, otherwise their sales would be microscopic. But very typical of the propaganda spewing moron that you are - blame the customer. What a healthy attitude, so primitive its reminiscent of old time soviet union or something.

And thats coming from an a-hole who has zero skin on the line and gets the phones for free. Do us all a favor who actually spend money to buy the phone and shut up. You dont have a say. Twat.

If the best you can offer is vapid statments like this, you need to go back to school.

As I said, you're a moron and a propaganda spewer. Keep at it and you'll continue to get the response you deserve,
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
Misrepresented? Because you thought a Pocket PC should be the same as a phone?

Of course they're cheaper with a contract you moron, tell me a connected phone that isn't. Otherwise the network providers wouldn't be able to sign anyone up. And everyone knows how Expansys, MMB and SDD et al are struggling with their "microscopic" SIM free sales :roll:

There you go again. More Skagen drivel based purely on fantasy. Actually I buy all my own gadgets. Which is why I find out what they do before I spend my money. And if something's not right, I send it back. Because it is my own money. Mind you I would say that, wouldn't I :twisted:

Glad to see your English vocabulary is coming on nicely. Keep on making your countrymen proud.

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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] skagen:
Is it a "phone" or not? Make up your mind - moron. Within the space of two paragraphs you are calling it a "phone" when you want and a PPC when you want to make a bogus case that its not a phone.

And if they are being sold to consumers as contract PHONES- then don't come here asking why people have them under those circumstance.

At the end of the day, you're just a twat with your head up your own ass. Keep digging yourself deeper - moron.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jamijam:
Guys... Think about what you're doing. Wasting your time.

I challenge both of you to step away from this thread. Whoever posts again after me is the BIGGEST LOSER IN THE UNIVERSE.

hehe... let's see who it is.

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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Carlos:
Well, I need a program just to keep track of who are the wankers, ****stains, and ass-nuggets in this thread. One hint though, the loony ranting about how unusable the device is, in the face of lots of people using it and liking it, makes any otherwise valid points unbelievable.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] wardy:
ass nuggets :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I love that one ... this is about the only new thing I have learnt from this thread... Nice one , Oh in the UK we call it a Chuff Nut or a Clinker :lol: :lol: :lol:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jamijam:
Carlos wins!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ShALLaX:
You stole my idea of how to stop people posting. I'm going to sue.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jaythemagician:
why have we got a thread designated to some air head who doesn't like what he bought? I didn't like my tea, can i start a thread *****ing about that? please :wink: :lol:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Carlos:
Oh, look what happened last time you Brits got into an argument about tea...

Useful information. I think a common one in the US is a "Klingon" or dingleberry. Ass nugget was just my own thing, don't take it as a cultural reference.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] mitchello:
I have just ordered the Wizard (in the form of the i-mate K-JAM) from Expansys for three reasons:

* Builtin Keyboard

* Builtin WiFi

* WM5

I had an iPAQ 4355 before my mini, and absolutely loved the keyboard. I ditched the 4355 + SE T610 combo for the mini for the small size, and convergence. One device.

From the 4355, I really missed the b/i WiFi, and shortly after bought an SD WiFi card, but it just isn't as handy. Also, the keyboard on the 4355 was awesome, and made the device just so much more usable.

I am really looking forward to receiving my K-JAM in about two weeks!!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] xcilion:
I'm not feeling comfortable being in the presence of such interlectuals like Skagen and Ineedtoys.....

Comon guys, please grow up. This is a phone/PPC tweakers forum... not a place to go slag off people you don't even know.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Ineedtoys:
I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Don't expect it to be any speed merchant though - but what it does, it seems to do well.

I've had chance to give a 9100 a brief workout, and found it gives several real improvements over the Jam:-

Good battery life

Good radio (Both the Jam and Treo 650 struggle to maintain a two way conversation with the weak Vodafone signal at my office. The Qtek was crystal clear)

Excellent audio (phone and speakerphone)

Loud ring and SMS tones

Keyboard

Proper D-Pad vertical and horizontal navigation of icons in File Explorer

Non Volatile memory

Wifi

SMS/IE buttons which can be re-mapped for Start/Close

Dedicated Comm Manager button to control WiFi/BT/Audio (but sadly not GSM) - with press & hold quick silent mode.

Battery meter on Today screen

Full power off (as opposed to stand by) function

Context sensitive WM5 Soft buttons (including Today screen Calendar button changing to Notification when something needs your attention in the top status bar)

Speed - I found the main bottleneck is not the CPU speed but the time it takes to load data from the non volatile flash memory. I tested the Calendar with 3500 appointments - it took a painful 12 seconds to load from cold, but less than 2 seconds to call when minimised. Open too many apps and the CPU starts to struggle. SplashID (500 records) loaded in around 2 seconds, as opposed to 1 second on the Jam and half a second on the Treo. So the default "minimize only" behaviour of WM is actually a real advantage here. Keep your most used PIM apps in memory and you won't notice too much difference. To get the best of both worlds, use one of the free add-on task closers, and put your most used apps in the "no close" exceptions list.

WiFi worked well - IE coped with most pages I threw at it, and Outlook could navigate and read messages in an IMAP4 account with over 30 folders without any trouble.

It's not perfect of course - the new Pocket Informant for WM5 struggled with the large databases and ended up with screen corruptions after I forced rescans and view changes half a dozen times (though this could be PI's fault).

I didn't have chance to try movies or games, but the camera is just as crap (the 0.3MP Treo camera still beats it by miles). So if those are priorities you'd be better off waiting for the 400MHz models.

As for the original subject of this thread, I found the little bit of extra girth on the Wizard makes it much more comfortable to hold for extended periods. The Jam always makes my hand ache because of the constant pressure I have to keep on those thin sides to prevent it slipping from grasp. The keyboard is much more comfortable to use than a Treo, and the auto screen rotation works fine (abt 1 second to switch).

The slightly sombre grey and silver Qtek styling reminds me somewhat of the Motorola A1000, but in my opinion that makes it look more professional, especially when you slip out the keyboard. At least people won't think you're taking your Ipod into business meetings!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] outlook_12345:
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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] mitchello:
I am extremely happy with my KJAM, as demonstrated in my review of it on the gadgeteer.

http://the-gadgeteer.com/review/i_mate_k_jam_htc_wizard_pocket_pc_phone
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] webkami:
Fully agreed. Just bought it for keyboard and works great.

Its bulky but thats the price.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] OhGawd:
size? does it realllly matter?

got my Cingular 8125 last week and compared it to the Motorola MPx220 I had been using for two weeks (but decided to send back - good phone, bad PDA).

The Wizard is the same thickness as the MPx220 and only a few mm larger in height and width. I bought it because of the keyboard and it works quite well. For my large hands, this is a very comfortable size phone - any smaller and I would be worried about dropping it.

Funny thing though - when the berry/treo users see me typing on this they are VERY interested. The Wizard keys are MUCH larger than the average berry/treo - one might think they had key-envy :roll:

As a phone it gets 9.5 out of 10 :)

as a PDA it gets a 9.9 :lol:

as a camera it gets 7.75 :oops:

as a music player is gets 8.5 :o
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jamiemckee:
My Opinion

Going back to the original theme of this topic, I actually think I like the look of the Wizard MORE than the Magician, with it's stylish curvyness and double buttons. :wink:

Sure its a little thicker, but I think it's definitely wort it for the keyboard!! (And wifi!! :o ) I currently have a P900, and got annoyed with writing on the screen and onscreen keyboard. An upgrade to a PPC for me is a great prospect in itself, so I'm not particularly bothered about processor speed or memory. The main reason I've choose the wizard as my next device is that its the best looking PPC phone on O2 with a keyboard and wifi!! :lol:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] molski:
My opinion is that the Magician looks like crap...not The Wizard :)

But hey, that's just my opinion.

And if we are talking about ugly HTC ****, the Universal really looks like crap, but hey.....that also is just my opinion :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] DJSinCity:
I second that to the fullest...The magician in NO way looks good at all, it has sharper edges, the buttons are ugly and functionality is ****...Onscreen keyboards are outdated and wackkk, we need on the go typing that the Wizard has to offer, sometimes we're just too lazy to pull out that damn stylus and jab away at the screen..
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] juiceppc:
The only thing I wish the Wizard had done would be to place the soft keys futher away from the Send and End call buttons. Kind of like the 8125. Because I accidentally hit the Send and End buttons a lot.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] molski:
Coudn't said it a lot better then that, viva la Wizard :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] chrisredmayne:
I think the thing your all forgetting is... What object that is smaller has...

a phone

pda

calculator

sega mega drive, snes, other games

scummvm games up to broken sword level

mp3 player

mpeg / avi player

up to 4 gb storage

the internet!!!

msn messenger

a keyboard to type easy

+ loads more!

this device is amazingly small if you think about it all! If you just want a small phone then forget about the extras, if you want the extras then be happy youve got them!

Personally i dont see it as being too big and I think it looks fine :-) so Im happy
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Webreaper:
LOL. Just reading this thread for the first time. Page 1 had me chortling. Cracks me up how people get so over-excited about devices.

FFS, it's a device, one of many. If you like it, great. If you don't, don't get it. D'oh.

I spent a lot of time looking at the Orange M500 (aka Magician) and considered getting the M600 (Prophet) but in the end plumped for the XDA Mini S (Wizard). Why? Well, the device for me needs to be small (i.e., smaller than a full-sized XDA II) but also needs wifi (so the magician is a non-starter, as I don't want an SDIO wifi card sticking out of the top).

Looked at the Prophet which is a lovely device, and the slightly slimmer form-factor is very attractive. But when it comes down to it, the keyboards is invaluable for me when writing emails and working via terminal services. So the 5mm extra thickness isn't a huge deal, and since the rest of the spec (processor, screen, etc) is essentially identical to the Wizard, it's purely a decision as to whether the keyboard is important or not.

What it comes down to is what you need....
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dahquim:
I love Gandalf

I love Harry Potter

But most of all I Love My Wizard

I went from a magician to a wizard and the increease in fuctionality far out weights the increase in size. i dont want an XDA or universal that make me look like a idiot if i haven't got a Bluetooth handsfree.

What is everyone complaining about. have you actually seen it next to a magician or a nokia 6680. there is hardly any difference, and if your complaining about the 5mm then obviously size matters over functionality.

My 2 pence

Dahquim
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] tsiros:
Ugly? The Wizard? I know it is mostly subjective, but there are some characteristics that are objective!

It feels solid and heavy in your palm. More than the S100. It has a serious and official-looking two-tone theme of grey. on the sides, nothing shows when you look it from the front, yet it is easy to use any of the 4 buttons or the volume. it is a clean design with no "ooh look at this, ooh look at that!". Nothing "stands out". It is civilised and quiet. the rear side has this pattern which makes it look very rugged and adds friction when held. It looks dignified and expensive, not extraordinary. The color is matte, not shiny which makes it look even better. Shiny things attract attention because they are shiny. This is not shiny but it attracts attention because it looks "tight". There is no color scheme that will go "old". It is completely neutral which makes it never become boring. If it were shiny blue it would be "wow" the first week, "meh" the second week and by the end of the month it would be "i want something different".

Even though it is very early to tell, there is still no device with WM5, wifi b/g, qwerty which is small enough to be used as a normal phone.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] JwY:
i like the look of the magician more than the wizard, but like the prophet design even more

i still like the wizard, and the only thing i don't really like about it is the thickness

but i rather have the keyboard so i'll live with it for now
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] lpasq:
to be fat and ugly is no fun

said the user to the source

damn the wizard's got big buns

but for a human it's much worse
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Stanleywinthrop:
I can't post in the CM10 thread, so I'm posting here. Overall I love the look and bloat free feel of cm10.2, but I have an issue that I want to get out there to see if it's a software issue or a problem with my phone only. For some reason my phone WiFi refuses to scan automatically or on demand. If it is connected at home and I go to work the phone won't automatically connect to my work WiFi like it would on other Roms. When I try to tell it to scan it won't and will continue to show my home WiFi as the only network available, even though I am miles away at that point. The only work around I've found is to reboot the phone, and then it grabs the network with no problem. It seems that the only time my phone will scan for new networks is after a reboot. Once connected WiFi works fine. Anyways I wanted to get this issue out there.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Ragnar:
Sounds like something is wrong. Could very well be rom related, but it could be hardware also. I would venture to say it's rom related.

Simple solution. Pick any TW rom, create a nandroid and flash the TW rom and see if the phone works correctly? Probably will voila your answer is at your fingertips.

Sent from the future via Tapatalk 4
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] paychex:
mine notifies me of open networks when I leave wi-fi on do see how it would be software related unless another app is messing with it