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[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
I have just preordered the Pearl AW-414.Go for following reasons:

//edit - just to make it more clear:

The Pearl watch is not a rip-off, it basically is the "lower-spec" Omate Pearl has just licensed.

//edit end

- I'm from Germany, so getting the Pearl watch is less hassle (customs, taxes, etc)

- it will be delivered October 7th

- it will have an AMOLED Screen (hopefully, I am able to write a watch app with white font on black background and can run it all day without turning off the display, since AMOLED only uses power for non-black pixels)

- 800mah battery

- like the edgy design more (totally subjective)

- 14 days return policy (in case it turns out to be crap)

I do not care about the amount of RAM, since I think 512mb is plenty for a watch which will run only a limited amount of apps. Same goes for the 3mp camera (which I think is gimmicky and useless in the first place and should have been scraped for the sake of design and/or thickness).

Also, I will start developing a "notification streamer" app, so you can pair your watch to a phone via bluetooth and receive notifications from your phone without having to run the same app on the watch (e.g. Facebook, Skype - they are huge battery killers). Bluetooth (even non-LE) should use less power than GSM anyways.

I am hoping, since both watches are fairly similar and the apps are standard Google Play Apps anyways, that most of the apps developed for the Omate will be working on the pearl watch as well (honestly can't image a reason why they shouldn't except arbitrary vendor checks).

This is not my perfect smartwatch. I would rather have a smaller device without GSM capabilities that only pairs to a phone over Bluetooth LE, but currently, this is as close as it gets.

I will post a small review and lots of pictures when I receive my watch.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
First time I saw the Pearl I thought of this.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
Oh, where is that?
[Ornate TrueSmart] |SavageD|:
I ain't gonna lie. I like the pearl more because it has better battery...and the watch band generally looks better than omates. However pearl looks like a major rip off. Dunno which came first, pearl or omate, either way someone is clearly copying the other. I tend to go with original designers because they know what they are all about.

I guess I'll having to play the waiting game to see which watch I prefer. I was extremely close to backing the omate until i saw the pearl today.
[Ornate TrueSmart] OdieS:
I don't think it's a matter of copying, I think Omate provided some assistance with the development/manufacture of the Pearl.
[Ornate TrueSmart] |SavageD|:
Yup, after reading the comments just realized that omate did in fact help them with their design...:eek:
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Pearl just licensed the Omate technology. There is no "ripping off" going on. It basically is the Omate in a different case without the goodies like 5mp cam or more ram. The "Vachen" seems to be another smartwatch based on the Omate hardware.
[Ornate TrueSmart] markyboy81:
I would have still thought the omate to be the best bet, for me anyway, although they are both quite similar. It would be great to have an oled screen where the clock and other notifications can stay on the screen, however this has its downside in that the screen won't be very visible in sunlight. IIRC omate did originally intend to go with oled but changed to tft for this very reason.

I agree that 5 mp camera instead of 3mp won't make any difference but the increase in ram might.
[Ornate TrueSmart] |SavageD|:
Lol I could be wrong, but i looked up vachen and came across a kickstarter page filled with angry backers basically saying it's a scam. Lol they said than one guy even gave $5000 at the last minute to save the project and they want to know how he feels.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Omate has nothing to do with the Vachen. Totally different specs (Vachen is much older specs), older operating system, different PCB.

As for the Pearl, yeah it's similar, but it lacks the 1gb ram option, the sapphire crystal glass, totally different design (which Omate has said is thicker than the truesmart for the larger battery). All in all, I'm still happy with the Omate. 1gb of ram and sapphire crystal are two huge things for me, as with keeping the body as small as possible
[Ornate TrueSmart] markyboy81:
Does anyone know if Omate is planning on releasing an app to communicate with the smartphone, for when it's in 'companion' mode?
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
Yes they are, they say so in the comments, but there is no further info on that... They're focusing on the standalone feature because that's the strength of this thing, but don't worry, they won't forget about the companion feature...

BTW, check update #21: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/omate/omate-truesmart-water-resistant-standalone-smartwa/posts

Now that's something else compared to the Pearl :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] markyboy81:
Great stuff, this watch seems to be better and better every day!
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I wonder why no separate forum for this?
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Because it isn't even released yet. Look at the motoactv though. Tens of threads in here, but no forum of its own either. Don't get your hopes up too high. :P

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[Ornate TrueSmart] jeremy.chan:
it's in one of their comments, that's not been updated in the site, sorry i misquoted :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
Thanks - so no need to adjust pledge now, and it will be sorted out at the close of the backing?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I won't do a copypasta but have posted on the Omate G+ Developers Community going over the Google Apps issue to clear things up for folks.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cdrom1028:
I agree it would be simple to swap, However I plan on just getting a SIM card for the thing and treating it like a connected tablet. I really don't care to make calls with it, however connected for data would be great! Too bad no LTE... that didn't stop me from backing it ...:)
[Ornate TrueSmart] 2pezboy:
I know it's too late in development to add hardware at this point, but it would have been nice to see an led flash on it. Not for the camera, but for an "always with me" little flashlight. I would find that more useful than the camera, but that's just me.

I am excited to see what reviews people start giving it when some ship out!
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
I dunno, they're changing the internal memory options as of today... send them a message on kickstarter with this info and they may consider it. I submitted one to Pressy yesterday about possibly adding a rubber grommet to make it semi-waterproof, and they replied to me today that it was a great idea and they'd look into implementing it. Never hurts to tell them ideas directly.
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
Damn awesome!

I was a November dev edition pledger, but someone switched from October (probably to get the 8GB version), and I was able to get that spot!!! :D
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Just one thing to keep in mind, Pressy is due for May (?) of 2014 and still a concept on a paper, if I'm not mistaken.

With led lights, maybe just a simple app to turn every pixel white or some "glowing" color :) Not exactly led, but it will brighten your darkness :D
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Nah, it's FAR past a paper concept, unless you meant that full production hadn't started yet. :) They've got tons of working prototypes out in the world already. Today, they even released video from one of the video cameras of one of their field units. However, they gave options yesterday or the day before of increased internal memory, so apparently some things can still be changed slightly before final production. :)

EDIT: Just hit the 720p video recording goal. Awesome! Personally, I want to see the extra battery goal. :) $180k left to go!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Devray:
Now's anybody about the clockface. Are they only preinstalled or changeable like a theme? maybe cross posting but still now answer.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
With the 720P stretch reached this should reduce dev time. One less thing for us to worry about!
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Voted for you btw, loki ;)

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[Ornate TrueSmart] beejmeister:
And I voted for you as well Loki. If I make one of the competitions... I'd appreciate y'all's votes!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
link us your design
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Ditto, I'd appreciate votes as well, should I make it in. I used the design I'm familiar with (HTC Style), that I'll include in ClearDroid Rom when we get the chance to build it. :)

Link: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=305239246281714&set=a.305239196281719.1073741838.275397559265883&type=3&theater

And images are attached. The bars on the bottom will have selectable information displayed (date, weather, notifications, power controls). :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
ClearD you have this up on G+ as well? Most of the action seem to be there rather than FB.
[Ornate TrueSmart] beejmeister:
I haven't yet been chosen for the contest yet... but it probably couldn't hurt for y'all to go to this and click like.... maybe that will get me a greater chance of getting chosen by Omate!

Here you go. Please go +1 me on G+ now and then IF I get in I'll as for your votes again! Thanks for yoru consideration!

G+:
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Negative, I don't use G+ nearly as much lol
[Ornate TrueSmart] beejmeister:
What I'm thinking, Loki, is if we had a clockface like yours... and like mine... and then have the clock app change the look back and forth each time you looked... or every hour or every other day... or whatever... it would make a show of what a unique and awesome Smartwatch that the TrueSmart is!

Cheers! and good luck!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Go you on your G+ post. +1'd and commented

I've been trying to help submissions out with the screen specs as tiny fonts seems to be an issue. Install THIS APP and test it. if you're using the notification as shortcuts as well you may want to space them out. I've been giving +1's on the ones that would work well on the Omate. (yes I know that's hurts my chances but I care more about the faces working well vs what's popular)
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Thank you sir! And also, the contributions on kickstarter just keep climbing... it's gained at least 25k since yesterday, and we have 7 days left to go. We may see that extra battery yet!
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I voted for Loki too. Hopefully mine makes it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Mine's crap compared to everyone elses, lol. I could provide backgrounds, but damn if I can create good clock =P
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Oh that means you didn't like any of mine...Lol
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
Great news...

As you all probably seen all Omate will have ultra sensitive touch and today (or yesterday) all guys from Europe received email to send info about country (where are you from) and most likely we will receive our watches from EU - and that mean tax free :)

Excellent :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Liking and everything being readable/usable is two different things. Your design exceeds the 240x240 requirement set by Omate.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
How do you know which one is mine?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Ingore my post. I was stupid tired and had not had my coffee yet.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
It's okay man. Personally I thought yours was really good.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Which one is yours? :) Post it!
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
This one, though I've made a few changes since then.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Purposed firmware flashing method

From my reply to a conversation on the Omate Kickstarter

"Fastboot/CWM for base code swaps like Stock based to CMod. I can also write a bat for that as well that would also backup the partitions prior to flashing. Think, DL custom firmware to PC, move to folder, run bat, reboot.

For same base builds, most of those can be done by simply running a script using Script Manager and root then reboot which can be handled by the script. It reduces DL size greatly because you are only changing the needed files not the whole firmware. I was supposed to be speaking on this very thing at the Big Android BBQ but finances forced me to cancel.

I still would like to get an app dev involved to put a face on the scripts vs running it through Script Manager."

So essentially "Script method" supported firmware only needs to be the changed files. This means that instead of flashing full firmware you are doing an an incremental update. This cuts down on bandwidth, DL file size and time to execute. This also makes updates and patches much easier. I know on the Optimus G it reduced the DL to more 25% of it original size.

Essentially it would work as follows;

Package only the changed files and script in zip. (this can be done to make it both CWM compatible and Script Manager compatible.

Script backs up original files

Script replaces original files with the new ones

Scripts clears cache and other needed areas and reboots the Omate

Additionally, if you want to do full firmware release you can eliminate all the set permission commands by running the following on the device;

cd /

cd sdcardext

tar -cvpzf firmware.tar /system

You can then move the /system folder from the tar to your fullfirmware.zip for flashing

I will have a final template script for both methods for folks after testing it on the Omate provided my wife doesn't have the baby first.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ransoma22:
Look Coolz!!! :good::good:
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Would the script method be ran on the device itself and not in recovery? Because I already do this in recovery sometimes lol. I guess it would be alright, just release the base, then the update zip for the base, which would get updated frequently, adding the new bits to the rom while keeping the older mods in the same zip. I can't think of proper words to put my thoughts into writing right now, but I'm cool with that, and it makes sense.

Edit: Here's what I was thinking lol. I found the words in an illustration:

Base rom is A.

Updates for base rom is zip B.

New updates for rom are C, and you'd update zip B with its original contents + new contents C, to create a new B.

Rinse and repeat as updates are added.

Is that about right?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Thank you, that's assuming it gets picked in the first place :p
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
That is all right. This is not your final version?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The script, if done correctly would work both on device and from recovery.

Here's what I'm thinking

A- Original stock firmware

B- Script checks for a specific flag in the build.prop that indicates Stock or not. No flag = backup of files to be changed, flag = restore backup

C- Dev's "ROM" consists of only the changed files vs stock

D- Dev's "ROM" updates equals C + D

Now let's say you want to switch from Dev 1 to Dev 2.

Script checks for a specific flag in the build.prop that indicates Stock or not. Finds flag, restores backup then pushes new "ROM".
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
So the flag could just be the rom name, and it could just diff them and act accordingly if they've changed then?

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[Ornate TrueSmart] BenjaminM:
Simultaneous BTLE connection - Heart Rate + Headphone

Hello, would anyone know if any heart rate monitors have/will be tested with the watch? More specifically the "Wahoo Fitness Blue HR Heart Rate Monitor"? Also, will it be able to use multiple BTLE devices at the same time, that is Heart Rate Monitor + BT headphones? Thanks a lot for your inputs
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Oh Lord I knew it was going to go down like that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
It would be easier if the flag was "ro.firmware= modified" or something to that effect. Otherwise you would have to pull build.props for everybody's past and current releases to make sure you had all the correct flags.
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
Say there's some clock faces that don't get picked to win thus won't come pre-installed, does that still mean we can side load them onto to watch?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Not sure about the app in it's current state but +1, comment on and reshare the my Build Your Own Watch Face app. If picked, it would give watch face theme pack support.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Not if they used the same flag for each rom from that Dev :) no version numbers, only rom names, like cyanogenmod or something.

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[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
That would work if there's only a couple of us releasing builds. Otherwise, pick 10 random ROM names. The script would need to check for every one of those names. Miss a name and get a soft brick.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
No no, I meant like. It could read the current rom name, then the one in the update, then verify they're the same, which would use the same base. Would that work? There would be no need to store rom names anywhere as long as 2 Devs don't use the same name lol

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[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
But all stock based "ROM"'s use the same base. When you get down to it, except for new kernels, they are really not much more than tweaks and themes. Take a look at DeBlur/DeBloat. Except for a custom kernel it is almost a 1:1 match for what you would expect to see in a stock based "ROM and is all of 6MB in size.

What you are suggesting would work fine for your updates on your releases. Without the "modified" flag in the build.prop though if you wanted to try my release you have to flash back to stock first then flash my release.

Lets say stock is 240MB and a script method "ROM" + kernel is 16MB. In the same size file as the typical ROM I could put in 15 different "ROM"'s and kernels.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kdenilson:
Hi everybody. I think I am the minority here who come from Hongkong China :) I am using Motoactv with CleardDroid Rom XD .

There are hundreds of watchphone in China but none of them looks proper to use ... ... (sad to say)

The Omate smartwatch looks great !

I wonder if I can receive whatsapp message in Omate in Companion mode because I m using a big big Note 8.0 as my phone. I wanna check whatsapp msg on my Omate Truesmart. Is it possible to do so ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kdenilson:
900K seems achievable now. $20 for a spare battery , As changing the battery needs unscrewing at the back, worth or not ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Greetings from the US! :) It should involve making a push notification for whatsapp, but I'm not sure if the api needed would be Omates or whatsapps. Meaning, not sure if it can be done. Also keep in mind, I just woke up.

Imo, no, I just want to get a free one if we can reach it. I knocked on wood.

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[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I don't get it...are they expecting us to code the faces?
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
No, they're going to HAVE them programmed for every $5k that they get over $900k. +1 for every $5k over. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Oh man, that means mine is the least liked by them, since it sits at 960k. XD
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Hey, just be glad yours got picked at all :) mine got a bunch of likes and never got picked. I'll have to make it myself.

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[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Which was yours?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
It is a shame it didn't get picked. It had it's charm (a la Sense UI). If mine makes it and they try to do it according to the outline I'm expecting a phone call from one angry app dev. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
The one that looked like HTC made it ;)

That'll be glorious x) and yours will be made, no worries! Especially at this rate lol.

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[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
The simple one with the home screen style layout? I liked that one. A lot more than the one that's winning next to Martin's. At this rate mine likely won't make the cut.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I miseed the comment by Omate about battery life. Thankfully somebody updated the wiki. All I can say is DAMN!

(Think typical Smartwatch mode)

Bluetooth On Only (Standby / Screen off) 400 hours

Bluetooth On Only (Active, eg. talking, listening to music / Screen off) 12 hours

Here's a direct link to the updated info
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
That edit was done by some random so take it with a pinch of salt.

On another note, I think tasker compatibility is brilliant. Means I can set up bluetooth pairing to the watch and have tasker automatically disable 3g and data. Then when it goes out of range turn them back on.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Those numbers came from Omate. Here's the original post

"Creator Omate about 17 hours ago

Some battery info:

** NOTE : These are preliminary results and not final, we will continue to test battery usage over time in order to obtain more accurate reflection of battery life.

2G GSM Standby : est. 100 hours

2G GSM Talktime : est. 240 min

Charging time : est. 3-4 hours

3G On Standby Only (Screen off) : 100 hours

Wifi On Only (Screen off) : 400 hours

Bluetooth On Only (Standby / Screeen off) : 400 hours

Bluetooth On Only (Active, eg. talking, listening to music / Screen off) : 12 hours

GPS On Only (Screen off) : 300 hours

Screen On (brightness set to highest) : 5.5 hours

Screen On (brightness set to lowest) : 8 hours

GPS On + Screen On (brightness set to lowest) : 7.5 hours

3G On + GPS On + Screen On (brightness set to lowest) : 7 hours

** 3G will not use much more battery than 2G if the 3G signal is strong. If the signal is poor or fluctuating, however, it may drain your battery as much as twice as fast compared to 2G. 2G coverage is quite consistent and mature everywhere so 2G battery life is seem to be consistently lower. 3G coverage has matured much over the years but is still not as mature as 2G, so when 3G signal is weak, the battery drain is a lot more, giving the impression that 3G uses more power than 2G. We still don't have good enough data on 3G active usage, and very much depends on how strong the 3G signal is. Based on the above it would be correct to assume it's very similar to smartphones these days."
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
Fair enough, seems I didn't spot that little reference 1 link at the bottom
[Ornate TrueSmart] Tilton53:
Seems like as indicated the screen makes the biggest difference.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
Screens seem to use large amounts of power.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The good news is you won't have to hunt for shade to read the screen on bright sunny days.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Holy Jebus! Judging by the screen on figures this thing is gonna blow the pants off my GNex! I can barely get 3 hours on screen in a day at half brightness! This is great news!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Devray:
[MENTION=2521422]lokif[/MENTION]ish +1 on wishapp.

Yes we need for this beautiful watch a easy to use clock face editor even when it needs to be paid or funded on KS! It will be great for everyone. Let us spread a clock face editor.

You said "Not sure about the app in it's current state but +1, comment on and reshare the my Build Your Own Watch Face app. If picked, it would give watch face theme pack support."

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[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
The Motoactv has one, so we do need one as well. There's no question. :)

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[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
Yes an android clock face editor would be a useful app.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
They still have not picked the wish app contest winner yet and a theme pack support watchface app has been suggested. If that gets picked then a builder would be soon to follow.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
It is a shame I am on a CDMA carrier.
[Ornate TrueSmart] alabak2002:
In fact, the wishapp contestt has not been almost mentioned on the updates, and I've seen much less activity in that G+ forum than in the watchfaces one.

BTW, you can vote on my wish app ;) https://plus.google.com/s/#SafetyTracker
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Sorry, voted for Loki's.