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[Ornate TrueSmart] |SavageD|:
I must say i like the final watch design...but i see a few flaws in it's design that just irritates me. For example the camera lens, the placement of the camera lens would make it hard and even ackward to take pictures. Don't take my word for it, imagine having a camera lens in the same place omate currently has it on their watch.. You'd have to try to pull in and straighten your hand to take pics, which makes the whole situation ackward and weird looking especially if you have long hands. Also if you have hairy hands, the hair would get in the way of pics.

Placing the camera lens at the top side rather than the right side of the watch would be much, much better since it would take much less effort to simply pull your hand towards your chest and push a button. This would also alleviate the hairy hands problem.

My only other gripe is the way the watch band looks. They should have tried to make it look more distinguished. For example, the motoactv watch band looks quite distinguished from other "normal" watches. You take one look at the motoactv watch band and you know you have something thats more than the average watch.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Just got the wife's permission to order one, and backed my own dev unit. :) Gonna have to sell a few old phones though, like my Inspire, to pay for it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
ClearD are you selling the motoactv? If so I may be "forced" to so the same.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Not on your life, old friend! ;) I'm keeping it for as long as I can lol.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
ClearD that is good to know. Why did you chose this over the Neptune pine which started taking preorders? I presume you and others will be developing for this watch?
[Ornate TrueSmart] lse4:
I have sprint so I would be using it connected via bluetooth... What is the range of bluetooth
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Cost and waterproofing mostly. And of course. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
I will consider it but with an Verizon phone how much functionality would occur by inserting the sim card? It would be much more useful to directly run on a network then standalone.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
At this point I have no idea how many hands are inside the firmware, whether or not the firmware is checked or if the final product is even checked for this.

UPDATE

Le Pen has admitted that 1900 is not enabled and will send out an OTA soon. If I get the files first I will make them available as well as an install method.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Great. I have a theory I want to test.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Anything involving the word "multi"
[Ornate TrueSmart] tkdsl:
Hey guys the Video is up on XDA TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA0-3eing_4
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Your lucky I wish I could afford glass and get it cos even if I could couldn't get it yet as I'm in the UK.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Yep.
[Ornate TrueSmart] gillebob:
Thanks, just posted this on the omate forum.
[Ornate TrueSmart] jhax01:
Nice, nice, nice... Based on what I see in the vid, the TrueSmart is going to completely exceed my expectations...can't wait to get my hands on it! Everything seemed very smooth and responsive -- has that generally been your experience so far? Do you think it is worth having a dedicated SIM for it?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I keep saying this and the benches kinda prove it. It's a GS2 crammed into a Casio G-Shock.
[Ornate TrueSmart] gillebob:
Yeah can't wait to get mine, will put a sim in it for emergency use and when I can't be bothered carrying my S4 with zerolemon triple capacity battery, but probably mostly use it in companion mode.
[Ornate TrueSmart] jewnersey:
Sorry for the noobness. So is this device shipping one at a time, randomly. I want to pick up a smartwatch soon, and this seems to be the top dog, but I don't want to buy in and wait 6 months
[Ornate TrueSmart] jhax01:
Agreed...I'd say that proves it! But as long as the end user experience is reasonable, I could care less about the benchmarks. I'd venture to say that if Omate could have shown a similar video during the KS campaign, they would have easily doubled their $$. When I first signed on, I was really only thinking about being able to run with it and listen to music, so I guess my expectations were low. Clearly, it's far more capable than I envisioned... Adding a line to my plan is only $10, I just wonder if the battery takes too much of a hit for it to be worth it. Was that the stock UI he was demoing? **** Nevermind -- I see it's the stock UI**** Or your ROM? Thanks for your hard work!

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That's probably the way to go... If Google would ever get off their butts and properly integrate GV / Hangouts, I'd like to try porting my number over so you could transition seamlessly between watch/phone without any SIM swapping antics... Which I suppose you can do now, but the MMS part is somewhat of a deal breaker for me as it stands -- my wife and I send lots of pictures back and forth...
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
I just check on this yesterday...who's your carrier? I was told by AT&T that the additional line will cost $9.99/mnth.. but if I want data I have to add that too. So even if I go with the cheapest data plan, the extra line's final cost is ~$35-45.00/mnth.
[Ornate TrueSmart] jhax01:
T-Mobile - $10 for an additional line with 500MB high speed data (unlimited @ edge speed), unlimited talk/text. For another $10 you can add 2.5GB of high speed data (unlimited @ edge again).

Their prices are tough to beat, but you really have to make sure their coverage can work for you. I have the unlimited high speed data on my Nexus 5 and I definitely get my money's worth. :) I also travel a lot, but am generally in a large city where their coverage is good (LTE/3G). You don't have to go too far off the beaten path before you're SOL... My wife won't use it because she gets a crappy signal on the first floor of our house with her iPhone -- oddly, my phone is just fine but she won't switch. C'est la vie... Anyway, she uses a straight talk AT&T SIM for hers...
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Ok, I see. Unfortunately, att has the monopoly on the towers in my area. I have wanted to move to a different carrier for a few years now...but all the promised expansion by the alternative carriers has failed to happen. My only choice is to eat the ETF, and move to straight talk (att SIM)....but I've heard some pretty outlandish stories about ST's Customer service which had kept me from making the move. How's your experience been with ST?
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Is that a good or bad thing in your opinion?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Faster than Gear, with about same standby and use times. (The Gear is acting as a companion only)

Faster than the ZGPAX with better standby and use times.

Actually, the only thing on the market that can compete with it, from a horsepower standpoint, is itself (Pearl 414/420, Vapirius AX-3 and so on).
[Ornate TrueSmart] jhax01:
I've heard the stories as well, but honestly, we've had zero issues. My wife's phone has been on straight talk for almost 3 years (we had AT&T previously). I only left ST with my phone because I kept hitting the data cap -- back then, it wasn't very clear what that was but now they are coming out and saying 2.5GB. I really don't know why people pay for AT&T service when ST is available for half the price and we literally saw no difference in coverage. I did also try AIO wireless briefly, but ping times were horrid -- I sometimes tether to a portable Xbox I made to play online while sitting around in airports and the slow pings weren't cutting it. If you can deal with the data cap, ST is completely worth it. Once your number is ported over, just put it on auto-renew and forget it....
[Ornate TrueSmart] Zuber:
Given the QC issues etc. unless you are really keen on saving a few $ why not just wait a bit and get it retail.

I've decided I'm going to wait a couple of months and go for another watch. But if it's not getting anywhere, just pick-up a TrueSmart from a store (depending on if they sort all the problems out). Have someone to go back to if there is a problem without worrying about international shipping, support.

The thought of relying on Omate alone for support is not a pleasant one.
[Ornate TrueSmart] E:V:A:
I'd like to see a tear-down / tear-apart guide of this watch.

Perhaps there are already such photos here? TL;DR

Something like this, but with better resolution and detail...
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Not exactly a tear down, but more detailed pictures of an exterior and under the hood, already reviewed here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2571848
[Ornate TrueSmart] jewnersey:
That's likely my plan, just seems like this device is a front runner on specs. But, I havnt kept up much so I don't really know what else is out there.
[Ornate TrueSmart] magnip:
Omate mic

Hi can someone please tell me if they can make and receive calls from the phone without major feedback from the mic. I know I can use Bluetooth for private calls but a lot are quick calls that should be handled via hands free I bought this to use as a phone and I cannot without earpiece. if the others are the same I don't think they can be fixed by firmware as it's to do with mic positioning or lack of shielding I have tried and tested the operation and you can guarantee if you don't press the mic off button you get gaps in conversation your end and the caller gets their conversation repeated in a full on echo. Sorry for the long rant just want to know if it's just mine because I have heard a reviewer mention this on one of the few you tube vids and just shrugged it off saying he would only use headset anyway. The omate has many +++++s as I've owned rooted and Loki patched for a week now with a lot of testing. So if anyone needs info eg. If this works or have you tried this or that app ask I'll be glad to help.... If you can put up with the lack of punctuation and spelling errors that is.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Looking at what's out there, the TS (and it's cousins) is the most powerful. The Gear has to be overclocked to twice it's stock clock rate and the second core turned on to get performance scores anywhere near that of the TS.

I think the QC thing may be getting blown out of proportion though. If both the number of units delivered and number of failure rates are to be believed then the failure rate is around 1% for a first run device.

The customer service could be better but with a staff of about ten people trying to manage the order of over 6000 devices. I'm surprised Omate hasn't imploded yet.

I will say that there are a couple folks here on xda and the official forum that should be considered your official source for info and in some cases well in advance of official statements from Omate.

It's a design and firmware issue that can be compensated for by firmware fixes. There should be an OTA this month that fixes it or at least significantly reduces it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Actually the A.I Smart watch will have better specs if it delivers what its saying it will have.

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@lokifish Marz what about the A.I Smart watch if that delivers that will have the most powerful CPU in a smart watch.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
That may very well be the case but folks can buy it, the x201 (TS, AX-3, AW-414/420) are the most powerful per CPU cycle smartwatches out there.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I'll believe the AI is great when I see a video of it actually doing something.
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
Thanks for that, TK, that's easily the best, most informative, review I have seen to date.
[Ornate TrueSmart] E:V:A:
So whats the exact processor used in this thing?

What baseband processor does it have?

(Seem that all photos are are showing intentionally blurry chip markings.)

I'm guessing an old Exynos 4210 with a XMM6360 (remodeled 6260). ???
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Go here http://xdaforums.com/smartwatch/other-smartwatches

In the Other Smartwatches search thread box enter "omate specs"

In the results you will see "Umeox x201 (TrueSmart, AW-414/420, AX-3, etc..) Compendium (Jan 3 2014)", click on it.

In the time it took you to post you would have had the answer if you had searched.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
MT6572!=Exynos
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
NachTSS could probably provide something like that hand-drawn, purely from memory. :laugh:

/end joke

Seriously though, I agree with the above, it's a good idea for a soul braver than I, or at least one with more money lol.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Have you seen the photos of the CNC prototype?
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
I'm on Sprint so I could I use this watch connected to my phones Bluetooth to receive phone calls text and whatever needed to access data from it?

Sent from my HTCOneMax
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Video. I want to see video.
[Ornate TrueSmart] E:V:A:
Apparently you didn't search either, as you would have found out that info is not searchable. You just happened to think you knew where it was. So please don't accuse others for not searching, thank you. FYI, Goggle didn't find it either.

In addition I see that you just changed the post to include the processor. Dirty trick!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Actually I did search. Would you like me to make you a video proving it works? You might also want to ask around before you say "yes".

I corrected a spelling error, the SOC has been listed since November 3rd.

EDIT

Forgot to mention. My specs supersede the official specs by Omate and are far more detailed. ! also have a long list of individual components like the sensor modules that still need to be added.

EDIT2

Just noticed the the very first post in this thread has a direct link to the Compendium as well. So not only are you been rather boorish you didn't even bother to read the OP.
[Ornate TrueSmart] E:V:A:
Ok, so what I found is that:

the processor is probably an MT6572

the RF/baseband is probably a MT6166

(although picture say MT6166 it is not on their site, only MT6140 and 6161.)

at least according to these pictures.

"MT6166, is a SAW'less 2G/3G FDD/TDD RF front end."

The info available for the MT6161 (OT3) seem more similar.

But fortunately China always offers more details...

[EDIT] And this:

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TDD mode OVL:

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FDD mode OVL parts

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But we can never be sure until we actually look inside...
[Ornate TrueSmart] MacMiller:
Do you need kernel source code for MT6572 ???

I'm not allowed to post links outside xda here.

Please look on to kickstarter-page: from Markus Mueller to Lokifish Marz
[Ornate TrueSmart] jaskru:
Here are those links that were posted in Kickstarter Omate comments-

https://github.com/aniruddha-adhikary/mt6572_kernel

http://global-download.acer.com/GDF...ERIES&Step3=Z150&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=PA_6
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
The baseband is not an MT6166.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
You did not just ask that. Here are the specs from the Everything Umeox x201 (TrueSmart, AW-414/420, AX-3, XTouch, etc..) thread which is linked to in the very first post of this thread.

Umeox Omate TrueSmart

[B]GENERAL	[/B]
[B]2G Network[/B]	GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all models
[B]3G Network[/B]	HSDPA 1900 - U.S. Model, HSDPA 2100 - International Model
[B]SIM[/B]	Micro-SIM
[B]Announced[/B]	2013, August
[B]Status[/B]	Available. Pre-Order 2013, October

[B]BODY[/B]
[B]Material [/B] Stainless Steel Alloy
[B]Dimensions[/B]	45 x 45 x 15 mm
[B]Weight[/B]	~100 g

[B]DISPLAY	[/B]
[B]Type	[/B]LG IPS capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors (TrueSmart)
[B]Size[/B]	240 x 240 pixels, 1.54 inches (~221 ppi pixel density)
[B]Multitouch[/B]	Yes
[B]Protection	[/B] Sapphire Crystal (the term "coating" has been used but sheet of Sapphire Crystal is more accurate)

[B]SOUND[/B]
[B]Alert types[/B]	Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
[B]Loudspeaker[/B]	Yes
[B]3.5mm jack[/B]	No

[B]MEMORY[/B]
[B]Card slot[/B]	microSD, up to 32 GB
[B]Internal[/B]	4/8 GB

[B]DATA[/B]
[B]GPRS[/B]	Yes
[B]EDGE[/B]	Yes
[B]Speed[/B]	HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps; HSUPA;
[B]WLAN[/B]	Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n DLNA, Wi-Fi Direct, Wi-Fi hotspot
[B]Bluetooth[/B]	Yes, v3.0 with A2DP, LE, EDR (v4.0 capable)
[B]NFC[/B]	No
[B]Infrared port[/B]	No
[B]USB[/B]	Yes, microUSB v2.0

[B]CAMERA[/B]
[B]Primary[/B]	3 MP (5MP Interpolation)
[B]Features[/B]	geo-tagging, face and smile detection, image stabilization, panorama, HDR
[B]Video[/B]	Yes, 720Pp@30fp
[B]Secondary[/B]	No

[B]FEATURES[/B]
[B]OS	[/B]Android OS, v4.2.2 (Jelly Bean)
[B]Chipset[/B]	Mediatek MT6572
[B]CPU[/B]	Dual-core 1.3 GHz Cortex-A7
[B]GPU[/B]	Mali-400
[B]RAM[/B] 512MB/1GB
[B]Sensors[/B]	Accelerometer, compass, gyroscope
[B]Messaging	[/B]SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Mail, IM, RSS
[B]Browser[/B]	HTML5
[B]FM Radio[/B]	No
[B]GPS[/B]	Yes, with A-GPS support
[B]Java	[/B]Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
[B]Colors[/B]	Black

[B]Additional Features[/B]
Rootable
Unlocked
Official TWRP Custom Recovery support (root and additional download required)
unofficial Google Play Store (enabled by entering *#20130920#* from the dialer)
IP67 (Per common industry practices, opening of rear cover voids IP rating warranty)
TrueSmart OStore

[B]BATTERY[/B]
[B]Capacity [/B] Li-Ion 600mAH (User replaceable)
[B]Stand-by	[/B] Up to 100 h (Cellular) / Up to 400 h (Companion)
[B]Talk time[/B]	Up to 4 h (Cellular) / Up to 12 h (Companion)

[B]Cost[/B]
[B]512MB RAM, 4GB Internal -[/B] $249USD
[B]1GB RAM, 8GB Internal - [/B]$299USD

Any mod stopping by. Our own forum? Please?
[Ornate TrueSmart] ghostfaceg35:
I'm waiting for my TS extreme edition comes in and I also hope this device gets its own forum. I am awaiting my extreme 1/8 model to be shipped. Seeing as we appear to have TWRP and a ROM made by Loki already while little to no one ha the device still it would seem it has a decent amount of support already.

I am planning to run Nova Prime on mine along with Swapps for quick sidebar overlay access in conjunction with Nova Prime's gesture controls. Swipe right from left side if screen to pull up Swapps menu, swipe up on homescreen to access app drawer,swipe left anywhere for back (defualt system wide from my understanding). I have started creating custom watch faces with configurable shortcuts in zooper widget I plan to use as my default homescreen with Nova launcher.

Any ideas what I could use tasker for to be handy? I was thinking talking clock. I am trying to create all these templates to be ready to transfer over to my TS and have it configured the way I am thinking the way I would like it configured as soon as possible.

Also will the play store still be accessible as it was before via dialer menu. I have tons of keyboards and widgets and other apps available between amazon app store/play store and it will be a real deal killer if I can't access apps I purchased over google play. Beautiful widgets, beweather pro, root explorer, to name a few,

And would my floating notifications be handy on the watch? I know the companion app is still in the works but I think it would be awesome if the watch could somehow say over the speaker "new message received from insertname" or "incoming call from insertname".

It's Friday night and I've been celebrating the fact that it's Friday so please excuse grammatical errors. If anyone has any handy uses for their TS or ideas to expand upton what I have been thinking please feel free to reply.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
According to Omate CEO, the US 1/8 TS's were supposed to start shipping last week. Has ANYONE got a shipping or tracking notification? Or receive the TS itself?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Zuber:
Looks like it may/may not make it before Chinese New Year. See latest update from CEO on Google+
[Ornate TrueSmart] E:V:A:
Hmm, the kernel makes references to MT6516, but then again also to the 6575 processor. However, this just seem too big to fit in there. In addition 'they' call it an Application Processor, which is not quite right...

So what is it?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Pssst...somebody MIGHT have left the WCDMA-850 radio on.
[Ornate TrueSmart] nitrowing:
I have TimeSignal running fine along with Sense Analog Clock.

RealCalc, Smooth Calendar, Gmail and Maps are fine too.

Live wallpaqpers - 3D Fireflies, Aquarium and Flames all work fine
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
To make sense of some of the things in the firmware. Imagine noobs that don't know what chown and governors mean, playing with firmware. There's generic buildbot output all through it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] wmandel:
where did you order the AW420 from? link?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
Depending on your country : www.pearl.de, www.pearl.ch or www.pearl.fr
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The TrueSmart uses an IPS display and is significantly brighter than pretty much every device out there, this includes the AW-420. I'm talking min brightness on the TS is as bright as a Nexus 4 at 50%.

Nexus 4 100%= 1003 lux

Nexus 4 50%=543 lux

Nexus 4 Min= 34 lux

TrueSmart 100%= didn't even bother

TrueSmart 50%= 1128 lux

TrueSmart 33%= 1052 lux

TrueSmart Min= 620 lux
[Ornate TrueSmart] E:V:A:
So it's too much surprising, if you don't know, when you're writing firmware for this thing...

Is there a reason why you or Omate is trying to keep this information secret?

No worry. I will find out sooner or later anyway. Was just hoping to find a thread where people were being more helpful...
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Why are you such an ass?

That being said, I'll answer your questions when you stop acting like a brat.
[Ornate TrueSmart] E:V:A:
I don't know what kind of troglodyte you are, but you're insulting pretty much every one around, including the OP. In addition your language are not welcome at XDA, so please just continue, if you like to get yourself banned.

I suppose all your "useful" information can be seen in all you posts here...

I'm asking a very simple question, that will be of everyone interest eventually, so I have no idea what you are talking about, when you are accusing me of whatever.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I don't work for Omate. Never have.

Keep it secret? Really? Do we have to go through this again? It has become very apparent that you have not even looked at the KS campaign in detail, gone through the official forum, read my G+ posts, joined and read my posts in the Omate TrueSmart Developers Community or gone through the AW-414 or Omate threads here on xda. To put it simply, there hasn't been a thing I haven't posted publicly. This is in addition to trying to get fixes and improvements implemented into official firmware.

Without the Umeox x201 having a dedicated section here on xda, I have not bothered to post much of it here in this one thread or opened a new thread for every issue that has come up. Instead, I have been fixing issues in spite of a many number of obstacles and commitments as well as making sure the average user is aware of these issues.

Yeah! That guy has done nothing. Well except for baseband issues and fixes, be one of the devs responsible for TWRP for the x201, submit bug reports and fixes to Omate, work with other devs on projects, assist regular users with issues and so on.
[Ornate TrueSmart] E:V:A:
Ok, you're wrong there again, making wild speculations on where and what I'm searching for. Obviously you don't know the answer, since none of your links to this day have an answer to my very simple question.

Why don't you just say what it is or stop wasting several pages pretending to know something, but refusing to give an answer?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I've already stated I'd give you an answer if you'd stop acting like a pompous fool but your answer was to continue to sit on a high horse and insult me.

Shall we start again? You can get the information yourself or I can give it to you now but your ego will always be what it is regardless so take a pride pill and swallow it.