[Ornate TrueSmart] chrisvor:
Before I start on my replies, I would like to firstly congratulate you on your newborn ! :) All my very best wishes for her ! It's going to be a fun ride :)

You had moderator rights and we were talking via PM (you and I), and the next thing I know I see a post from you and your color was "normal". After searching the logs I found:

Lokifish Marz	x.x.x.x	Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:43 am	User changed default group From “Global moderators” group to “Registered users”

I assumed that you decided to get out even after you told me that you'd wait 2 days after all. (The time shown is expressed in my TZ, i.e. GMT+2. The playstore thread was opened on Oct 16th).

We did not support or propagate rumors. On the contrary. We were trying to stop people from spreading rumors / assumptions / conspiracy theories regarding the playstore/services issue, and wait for Omate to update everybody in an official manner. Which they did, with a long delay, but at least they did.

Agree.

Again, this is something I cannot comment on, as I am not a rom developer. I accept that what you say is correct, you know better. Still this is not something that Omate can have any kind of control on. It's MediaTek that is not releasing the source (if I understood correctly), so Omate cannot do anything about it.

*TOTALLY* agree with you. I and Scott have repeatedly asked Omate (well, our single contact with them, who is not a developer), to forward this question to the development team. I did this again yesterday night after it was posted here as a response to my post. I got the promise that he will do anything he can to get me those answers. I really do understand and share your frustration about not having answers to these specific questions as they are really REALLY easy to answer if you "want" to answer them. So, I'm just guessing now, maybe the reason we don't have an answer yet is that Omate does not "want" to answer them, and prefers to first ship the product and THEN we will find out anyway.

The first dev editions were going to be in developers hands at least 1 month ahead of the first "user" editions. So there would be plenty of time for Developers to release "ways" for normal users to be able to load a custom rom on their TS when they would get them (again my assumption here)

You might be right on this one, I am not in a position to say, as I have not dealt with a company releasing their FIRST EVER product before. Maybe what you say here is applicable to companies that already exist and are "big names" in the industry. Maybe a small startup (who is a "threat" to the big guys, cannot release that information that easily.....

Agree, but again Dev editions were supposed to be in our hands 1 month before the "user" versions. Enough time, I would say, to make that happen.

Even though I am not here to be an advocate of Omate, just to respond to unjustified "accusations" I have read here regarding the moderators, a company applying for FCC certification, especially a company whose "associates" (and I'm referring to Umeox) have previous experience in this field, must (or should) be quite sure if it complies or not, the FCC application is just to get the legal stuff done. When they released the official update, they did say that the FCC was delayed, but they don't see a single reason why this will not be granted, and therefore proceeded with the inclusion of the FCC logo on the label.

I agree totally with what you describe as the way moderators should behave. Now as far as you coming over at the forum or not, is firstly your choice, and secondly if Omate will accept you there. I have no doubt whatsoever, that having somebody like you in the forum will be great plus to the forum and to the TS community, but I cannot force you nor beg you to come over. As I saw the logs, you decided to leave abruptly, even when you told me you'd wait, and then what followed, your comments that seemed so "angry", I really felt that you hated the lot of us. I know that you know your stuff, but you also fail to accept that Omate knows theirs, and maybe there are things that they know and you don't...

Thank you for this comment, it means a lot, as I think very highly of you for your work, even if I don't always agree with the way you express your opinion. I know it's difficult to judge someone from what they "type", and I don't like to talk about myself, but I always participate in an honest way, and write as I truly feel.

What you do with your development work is of course your choice, and although I personally would love to have you over at the forum, even if you only share at XDA, I'm still glad that you will be developing.

We, the forum moderators, and we, the forum members, are on the same side as you. We share the same "goal", to make the TrueSmart the best smartwatch in the market, and this can only happen when both the hardware and the software are the best. It really suddens me that we seem to have "split" in two "camps"... we belong in one....

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Very true. Omate already admitted, that it has been proven that they were over-excited to have made the claim of official Google Play support. I really don't think that was done on purpose to attract more backers. I'm not part of Omate and have no real benefit in talking in favor of Omate, you have to understand that. I just say my honest opinion. Maybe they had information from their Google contacts that their discussions with Google would have a "good ending"... Apparently they didn't, yet....

As you already know the Dev edition will have root, and for the rest I place my full trust on this community here that root will be available for them too, if not directly from Omate. Root was not possible for a LOT of devices out there, and has been made possible by developers here in XDA. I see no reason for this not to be the case with the TS.

As I already explained, it has been REALLY difficult to get any kind of contact with people in Omate "background workers"... Only recently this has started to become more likely, and I suspect that it's because they are now closer to what the final shipped edition will be (h/w & s/w) and now they can talk more about it.... Things were pretty much Work-In-Progress until now, and talking about something which might be totally different in the release version has its risks....

It very well could be like you say. I don't know. What I do know is that Omate is still a very small company, and I mean VERY small, and a lot of the stuff done during the campaign (and possibly till this day) are done from "affiliate" companies, such as Rocki. As you already know, even the payment of the backers pledges was received by Rocki and not Omate. Many of the people we think work for Omate actually work for Rocki and helping out in the new Omate "venture". I would like to hope that, by backing Omate's "dream" of the TrueSmart we will help Omate grow, and become a much bigger company, and therefore all that you say will cease to exist.