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[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
I know, i wasn't answering to this issue

I have allready replied to this, so far you can't.

But imho it might be usefull to use the watch as an hotspot when it's your only potential internet source. off course it's only if you don't have a better option !

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because the modem is working continuously (well if you get data from the hospot off course).
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Hotspotting will kill any battery quickly.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
Hmm, that means if I have an app on the watch that, say, connects to the Internet regularly (E. G. mail) and I have a sim card in the watch, I might use it for a whole day or so.

But if I instead tether it to my phone via Wifi, my phone would run out of battery very soon?
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Put it this way, your phone will use around the same power as the TS does in hotspot mode, but it has a 3-4x larger battery and many times larger surface area to radiate that heat and larger and more efficient antennae (the more efficient the antenna, the less heat a device generates at the same power level at the amplifiers).

So, if the TS battery lasts, say, 3 hours in hotspot mode, your phone would last 8-11 hours under the same circumstances and same usage scenarios.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Chromecast

Aw-414 and Chromecast working fine !!

PS: didn't work to setup chromecast on first install

I wish i found an app to mirror the watch display...

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/JexQFQX7WzX
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Nice

I have some ideas on this. Mirror Op is one of them.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I was just about to suggest that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
The watch is compatible with SD XC Card :)

Another good news !

Tested with a Sandisk 64Gb SD XC Card. Works perfectly !

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/BdWPVCvLFag
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Regarding battery life and wifi hotspot on the TS...

When you're using the TS as a wifi hotspot, you're TRANSMITTING wifi. When you're using it connected to a wifi source, you're RECEIVING wifi. It takes MUCH less battery to receive something than it does to transmit it.

Think of it like... it takes less of your energy to hear something than it does to speak something (receiving vs transmitting sound). :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] jaskru:
For those with a PR1/2 device, the companion app is in the Ostore. I have yet to dl and test it out yet though. Finally resurrected mine.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Non-working at the moment, unless I'm doing something wrong.
[Ornate TrueSmart] jaskru:
I suppose they will make it available on the Play store or via a dl link as it actually needs to be installed on the primary device. Looks like you have to pair first before selecting the companion device, in this case the TrueSmart. I can pair with the companion app via BT on my Nexus 5 but there is no functionality yet. None that I could get to work anyways. Here's the apk from the OStore.

OSmart APK
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
The Bluetooth seems to be a kernel thing, I flashed the latest KitKang on my nexus with the new 4.4 kernel and lost the ability to use internet sharing from another device.

So Nick Yap was asked if the kernel would include Bluetooth tethering and his response was, "why isn't WiFi better?".

I'm face palming.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Audio Bluetooth connection

Audio BT connection works great with my Car Clarion NZ502 Audio system.

No information about the track but i have the same problem with my z1.

Skipping tracks works.

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/TS5YoC5FWLn

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doesn't work for me either. Installed on both side, nothing happens. (they are both selected as companion in the app setup)
[Ornate TrueSmart] porzerwolle:
Droid VNC should do this very fine. You need your device to be rooted....:cowboy:

I tried this with several Android devices and it works. Mirroring your Android device on PC screen...
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
After that reply, I fear Omate will ignore this. Seems the people in charge of the product lack the tehnical knowledge to understand the implications of having to constantly rely on WiFi for internet access. Worse, their companion app (whenever that materializes) will most probably rely on BT, which would mean having to keep both radios connected all the time on both the phone and TS.

I fear that without many people raising concerns about this, it will be left out on the basis that WiFi is better :\
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
GPS

I did a 1H30 trip to Paris today, it gave me the opportunity to test gps.

The gps is working great ! it's very sensitive, even in Paris between buildings.

And the apps are quite responsonsive, no noticable slowdown.

I Will post data about power usage later.

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/2S96G6Awngb

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Wifi and BT signal test.

Compared with Sony Z1 and Nexus 7 2013

Apparently the BT signal looks weeeeeeeek !

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/J2rdipvs88X
[Ornate TrueSmart] yreham:
Cyrilp Do you recommend buying this watch from omate. And while

doing your testing are you on mobile network

I'm talking about the extreme version I want to get

Merci
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Seems BT tethering is there after all. Daniel got his tablet tethered to his TS over BT:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111628072657804333818/posts/jQDSjWJkQw1

So, the functionality seems only missing from BT settings for tethering the other way around.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Video to be posted

Hi everybody,

now that i have posted quite a lot of screenshots i think it's time for motion !

I'm going to make a video of the watch running different apps. If you have any apps you would want me to include, please tell me.

Cyril

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Thank you for the tip, i will try.

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Yes i love it ! i'm really disappointed some things don't work or are missing, but even so i think for a first of is kind 2.0 smartwatch, it's really great !
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
it's working !

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/DnqYYsAzQ4o
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Logmein works rather well !

Well it's not very easy off course but it works. And surprisingly well. i could do whatever i wanted.

Zoom in/out works fine with two finger gestures.

Didn't have to use a stylus, i did everything with my finger

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/RBZSZk2w7nk
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
GPS Accuracy test

Track logged from Google My Tracks

Seems quite good !

kml file:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1gkQvTn66vsM3lBQjJjS1otNXM/edit?usp=sharing

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/h68vvRnZ98q

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Screen on, wifi on, BT on, 3G on.

Have used mainly sygic, but also google Navigation and a an app showing speed radars and that uses 3G data.

it would even be better without wifi.

I think it could been worse, every phone used like this without power plugged in is getting empty very fast.

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/GzQMvkvD5aJ
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Yeah, they don't seem think BT tethering is a big deal (that is probably why they did not include it int he first place). Such a shame, since this would be only way I would connect it to the internet.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
SD Card and Internal Memory Benchmark

tested with A1 Sd Bench

RAM: 993Mb/s

Internal Memory: Read: 52MB/s Write 4MB/s

Internal Sd: Read 34MB/s Write 4MB/s

Sandisk Ultra 16GB: Read 34MB/s Write 7MB/s

Sandisk Ultra 64GB : Read 30MB/s Write 7MB/s

On my Sony Z1, 64 GB: Read 24MB/s Write 8MB/s

the watch is faster than the Z1 !!

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/Fdc8ob141gj
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
They better care, because while I like the idea of having it on my wrist I'm not going to be happy with something I can't use.
[Ornate TrueSmart] astaroth82:
Testing apps

Hi there, it will be great if you can test some fitness app with music playing at the same time, in order to see if the 512Mb are enough for them. It should be interesting to have for example Runtastic paired with some bluetooth headsets to hear feedback + music.

Any ideas on the omate simvalley firmware release? How can we help? I'm willing to buy an AW414, but doubting if an AW420 should be better, hope Black Friday brings some tasty offers.

Thanks all for your effort!
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
512MB is more than enough for running such two light apps. So far, it seems the far greater problems are Bluetooth range (which so far seems to be measured in centimeters) and battery life.
[Ornate TrueSmart] astaroth82:
Great. Know, I should put the focus in bluetooth instead than in RAM. Two questions for that,

¿Really the distance is messuared in centimeters? ¿Doesn`t it get from the hand to the head?

¿Is it possible to pair two devices at same time? I'm thinking in a bluetooth heart monitor (in fact MyTrek, which should go near the watch) and the handsfree headphones.

I think AW414 is great, not only as a smartwatch but also as a sportwatch, but I'm very concern with that last point, so I won't get the wrong device.
[Ornate TrueSmart] yreham:
Of what are you disappointed if I can ask! Battery ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
CF-Bench Benchmark

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/C57BW6YUq9G
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
Not sure if you guys saw Lokifish's post on G+:

https://plus.google.com/+LokifishMarz/posts/VEfr2xv9nFq
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Easy solution, if it works, is to either use xposed framework and per-app dpi, or change dpi using our motoactv dpi changer app (I think jkok made it), set supersu to always allow, then change dpi back and don't touch it anymore.

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[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
Another less secure solution would be to use an unsecured su binary
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
or just leave the density at 115
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I went into su and set to always allow for now.

Ain't nobody got time for dat.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Past experience showed us that lots of apps don't work properly (or force close entirely) at densities below 120 dpi, sadly
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
115? Its default 120 on my 414 oh also is it save to put image firmware on the 414 and does everything work and is it stable? How would I do it?

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I can set it to always grant without changing DPI and I did but that worries me its not really safe to is it?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Been running 115 all day with minimal issues. 120 is still too high so I'd have either unsec root or preconfig Xposed and App Density and add it to G Injector.

I guess the other option would be to set it at 120 and let folks figure it out for themselves.

This firmware didn't even have a setting in build.prop so it defaulted to 180.

Unsecuring root (grant all) means that anything and everything that asks for root gets allowed. Very unsafe.

About that flashing over thing. It's pretty stable but setting is garbage and so is the launcher. Give me some time and I'll have a prebuilt that folks can flash with all the tweaks and such. If TWRP ever works then maybe sooner. Either way I still need to write an "over the shoulder" walkthrough.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Wow, 180? That's odd. And I am only speaking from MotoACTV experience, and it may be different by now. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I'll be up tonight (wife has to sleep sometime so Her Imperial Highness is under my care).

I need folks to test 2G speeds. Connected to the same tower, with similar signal quality, my GSM Photon is more than 10X faster that the TS. I get peaks of +150K on the Photon and have yet to break 6K on the TS.
[Ornate TrueSmart] astaroth82:
Do you know if the AW414 would accept two bluetooth devices connected at the same time? I'm thinking in bluetooth headset and bluetooth heart rate monitor.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Loki give me something to download and I'll do it. There's a speed test app right?

I'm testing idle battery on EDGE but afterwards I'll do downloads.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.zwanoo.android.speedtest

I still have yet to break 6k over EDGE.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Zuber:
Look forward to that. Still undecided as to what will be best approach to maximize battery life (while using as my primary device for calls and as companion for other stuff).

At the moment, I'm thinking BT on all the time and use SmartPhone for data. Leave Data off on Omate unless out without the phone. Not sure if I'd ever actually need WiFi on with that as default setup.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
It doesn't help that battery stats are off on this thing. It has all the markings of unfinished firmware.

Verdict is in. About 5 hours with 2G enabled. I'll post pics as soon as mine charges back up.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Zuber:
I would have expected much better. I thought it was 3G/4G that were major power drain. Just to confirm, we are talking mostly idle on 2G, not constant download ?

Also, no issues with signal ? I read it can drain heavily if looking for a good connection all the time.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Correct, though I may have received some hangouts messages. I have not turned it back on to check but then again I made sure to not sign in.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
If its kernal is like the 414's it needs a better one as I installed CPU tuner which is great apart from one bug? And it only shows 2 speed options for the CPU so that's pretty useless. It works great on my nexus 7 tho as it shows loads of speeds so I set it to be really low and only use one core when the screen is off and pretty low and only use 2 cores when lockscreen is on etc. It helps with battery life and would be great if someone makes a decent kernal for the omate and 414
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
1. not possible to activate accessibility services

2. not status bar in nova or google exp launcher

3. no BT thetering

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at home all my phones get 3G. The aw-414 only 2G and download speed is very low

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When my wath is connected to my sony z1, it doens't see my bt keyboard anymore, i have to unpaire it first !

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/dtfF3breFNt
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
YES !!!! Accessibility Services Activated !!!!!

Now everyone will want to pay me a Beer !!!!

I Found out how to ENABLE ACCESSIBILITY SERVICES for apps !!!!

i've spent the week trying and trying, i'm glad i kept trying !

Enjoy !﻿

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/JqCHvzWqqt3
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Well how did you do it then ? :D
[Ornate TrueSmart] yreham:
Can't we choose on what network we want to be on...2g or 3g
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
How to enable Acc. Services Step by Step

Everything is explained here:

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/1KJTqJUkmqK

sorry for the delay, i was taking care of my daughters
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Thanks :D
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
YES !! Status bar activated in Nova or Google exp launcher

Here is how to show the status bar in Nova or Google launcher:

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/TBaTB8a3R1i
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Keep "Button Savior" in mind for persistent menu buttons. :)

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[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
[MOD & ROM] AW-414 & TrueSmart Root + G + Imperium Operative v1.0.0 BETA
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
What are the benefits of using this over stock on the 414 and how do I flash it to it with no cwm? Also is it stable enough for daily use?
[Ornate TrueSmart] gibson7:
hmmm, i'm considering to get a pre-order from their site.

but torn between the standard 512mb/4gb version and the extreme 1gb/8gb version.

anyone had experience with a TS running on 512mb of ram?

my concern is whether does it lag in the lower spec version.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Mine is running on 512mb just fine but bear mind it's not running Kit Kat.

My developer edition is 1gb and at this point I'd say go for that instead.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
If you plan to load a few apps on it and run things like FB, get the 1GB.
[Ornate TrueSmart] gibson7:
hmm..ok.

considering the difference of $50 usd, i get additional 512mb or ram and 4GB of storage. fair enough.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
From my horrible exsperience with 2 414's id say 1g 8g which I preorderd
[Ornate TrueSmart] DaveWoolly:
When I try and set up what's app on my aw414 with TS ROM it says something about being modified and won't work.

I tried removing as system app with TB and reinstalling from app store but it won't..Has anyone got it working?

Thanks!
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
414 has tons of issues then breaks too check my posts so that doesnt surprise me at all :\

I am currently trying to get a refund on my replacement I got as both went faulty very quickly.
[Ornate TrueSmart] DaveWoolly:
Yes I saw, hopefully it will be OK. Seems to be nice and stable on the Omate ROM. Only time will tell, just making sure I use low charging currents. I was looking at it as I was buying a beta or alpha, so not too concerned unless it goes beyond (software) repair.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
That was why I got one too be really regret it now.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
Were those images for twrp OK? I can tweak them if need be
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Oh. Stay tuned. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
So what's the latest on the device, do we have any more solid information on the devices that we have paid for but not yet received?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Sorry been a little busy doing some behind the scenes work.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Apparently the 1Gb/4Gb ones are delayed the most now. I'm pissed...October my ass.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
They should offer either a downgrade to 512/4GB, or an upgrade to 1GB/8GB (preferably free of charge).
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
They should, but we'll see what happens I guess.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
They should, but it would be totally unlikely. As in, it won't happen.

:)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Jarocks:
Even if they did come out and agree to upgrade everyone, it would just be yet another poorly made lie. =/
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
And then they'll say, "we never agreed to that, we never said that"

:)
[Ornate TrueSmart] dragon-tmd:
Yes, i'm using a 414 with TS-Rom and MOD by Lokifish. Deleted WhatsApp (made it a user app before) and reinstalled using Play Store. Working fine.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
You need to install the Play Store version.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
And then they said it.

"Dear Backers,

We have currently shipped more than 800 TrueSmarts of the 512MB+4GB edition (shipping another batch of 200 units on Monday) and wanted to start assembling the other versions as planned in our schedule (see update #54).

Unfortunately, we have been facing problems with the production of the 1GB+4GB edition due to supply chain issue that we tried to solve over the last two weeks. We are disappointed about this and have been looking for solutions. We know that many October backers have pledged for this version and some of you have already been waiting for it for a long time.

As we do care for our backers and want ALL of you to have your TrueSmarts as soon as possible on your wrist, we have decided to upgrade the 1GB+4GB backers to the 1GB+8GB edition free of charge even though it does cost us some additional money.

We know that some of you who went for the 1GB+8GB version might find this unfair. Therefore, we would like to offer to all 1GB+8GB backers an additional key chain free of charge on top of your pledge. This is the best solution to speed up shipment date start as planned in the update #54 and keep assembling the TrueSmart smoothly. " -Omate TrueSmart Kickstarter Email
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
I just saw this. That makes me happy again =D

I was NOT happy about the thought of waiting even longer
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
To be honest- although I originally went for 1GB/8GB - why should I be unhappy about this development, as long as I get exactly what I paid for, no problemo- so, some dudes got lucky.
[Ornate TrueSmart] alabak2002:
I got lucky, but even so, I feel the original 1/8 backers should be compensated with something more than a keychain.

Omate shoud have done the math just after kickstarter ended. I'm pretty sure the reduced costs in money and time of manufacturing ONLY 1/8 version, would have paid for any refund they should have to make. And that would have been a good "KS exclusive"
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I think there's a little more to it than that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
Yes, to be perfectly frank- a keychain was not on my ' wish list'.

Since battery life is a moot point at least another battery would be of more use than a key chain.
[Ornate TrueSmart] lse4:
Anyone know if you can just cancel your order and get your money back as a backer?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
No. Welcome to kickstarter.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Tickox:
I backed a 1/8 watch and the only thing i wish is that it arrives to me soon ?. Is there anyone who tested if it goes through airplane control?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Airplane control as in controlling the functions of an aircraft or airport security? If you mean airport security I'll just say that if I can get a NexusQ through security (x-ray machines do not penetrate it's case so it shows up as a big black sphere/hole) then you can get a TS through airport security.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Digital playworld:
I am in the UK and I received my Early Bird TS today (after paying £17.29 duty to Parcel Force)!! They had it listed at value of $30 on the paperwork but Parcel force charged £13.50 admin fee plus £3.79 VAT)

I do have an issue though, it will not charge, god knows why?

So I cannot connect it to my pc or charge it at the moment so if anyone can offer any help I would appreciate it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Srwilliams:
Can someone help me here becasuse I am unable to get a definitive answer on this question: Does the Omata Watch have Bluetooth tethering?

I ask this because in weighing this watch to the Neptune I prefer the Omata because of its smaller dimensions. But I am not interested in using it with a sim card to serve as a stand alone phone. I need to carry my phone with me and have the watch serve as an extension of the phone via bluetooth tethering. Is this possible? If not I will have to consider other options.

Please someone give me a definitive answer to this. I saw in earlier posts where it was reported that Bluetooth tethering was not an option. But this was before release I am hoping this has changed.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
You can use your TrueSmart as Bluetooth hotspot for your phone. At this time you cannot use your phone as a Bluetooth hotspot for your TrueSmart. This is being worked on.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
... You just got one from Loki above. No.

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[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
I still have yet to see anything from the FCC...has any US KS backer received a TS (other than testers/devs)? anyone know the status of this?
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
They emailed about fcc status recently, and at that time, I think it was being tested. They had an fcc number attached and all that stuff. Not entirely sure how it works, but they did write about it. :)

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[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
OK. Thx. I raised the question in a G+ post a few days ago...they never answered it directly