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[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Go to Settings/Device/Apps

tap on kurt's watchface app and tells us what version is listed
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
1.10.0...Just DL'd today.

When I turn on the "show touches" option in the dev menu...I can see that the second tap is not registering regardless of whether I do a fast DT or slow.

I'm going to flash back to stock...reapply patch again...see what happens.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Or tap slower.
[Ornate TrueSmart] misticjeff:
Also discussion here:

www.truelysmart.com

Sent from the Starship Enterprise using my custom modded Tricorder.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
You guys trying to kill a Thark? Martians are not all bad ya know.;)

As long as my stuff is not mirror over there I'm fine. xda and firmware QC is going to be a full time deal and trying to support three forums full time will be pretty hard.
[Ornate TrueSmart] misticjeff:
We'll I can assure everyone that no mirrors will be hosted there. Links back to XDA would be the only acceptable method.

I can also assure that any type of development only thread would be kept clean.

Additionally, any developers requests will be given priority and implemented ASAP!

Sent from the Starship Enterprise using my custom modded Tricorder.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
OK...was able to get Kurt's app running correctly. But definitely having some kind of screen sensitivity issue.

At times the screen is too sensitive and other times the taps fail to register at all. For example, if I hover my finger at 1/8"-1/4" above the screen.. Flesky, icons, widgets, etc react.... even tho I'm not touching the screen. And sometimes, when i swipe panels, execute apps, pull the shade, etc...it takes multiple tries before it responds.

It seems that the longer I keep the screen on, the taps become harder and harder to register. Heat?

Anything you guys can think of on this one? Is the a way to lower the sensitivity? What controls this?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Cleaning the screen usually fixes this until oils from your fingers and other grime builds up. I have to do this all the time as I'm always flash a test build or some other thing that requires I have it in my hands for long periods.
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
Will you register on Tapatalk- many folks will not visit if not- I will, but probably only from my PC.

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Same question as to misticjeff from Truelysmart- any plans to go with Tapatalk??
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
Ok so Bluetooth tethering will work letting me access my phone's internet connection that way on my TS? That's basically what I do with my Google Glass, it's tethered via Bluetooth so I can access my phone internet and receive my text, calls and other notifications from my phone etc.

Thanks guys and sorry for any inconvenience if any but just trying to really understand since I don't have my watch yet.

Sent from my HTCOneMax
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
You can use the TS's internet connection over Bluetooth, but until we figure out the stack issues (the options for internet tethering are in the firmware) it's a no-go the other way around (cannot use internet from your phone).
[Ornate TrueSmart] misticjeff:
Tapatalk is up and functional guys. search for truely smart
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Heads up, some of your specs for the TS are wrong. Might want to update.
[Ornate TrueSmart] LeighR:
Beta
[Ornate TrueSmart] Darkeyce:
Alpha...that wants to stay married. Let's call it a minor concession.
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
The forum created by the mods of the official Omate forums should have it right! :)

http://www.planetsmartwatch.com
[Ornate TrueSmart] misticjeff:
Updated per your XDA Compendium
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Happened to me a few times. My only explanation is build up of static, with sapphire glass coating enhancing it. This is capacitive touchscreen, you are conducting a charge with a touch of your finger. With a static build up you will be conducting this charge on a close proximity even without direct touch. Maybe your air is dry at home (winter, heat is on in the house?), or maybe you were walking on a carpet in socks and build up a charge? Or maybe you had your TS under a sweater sleeve and as you pulled your sleeve up to see the watch you build up a static?

If you see it happening consistently in different environments under different conditions, maybe there is an issue. But if it happens once in awhile, just moisturize your hands or touch something metal next to you to "discharge" :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Heiermann:
Hello,

since the Omate-TS-Forum seems to be down: I currently backed "The Dash" at Kickstarter - a Pair of InEar - Headphones with lots of additional features. I hope that one of our grateful developers here in this thread will be interested to develop an app for the TS.

The Campain at Kickstarter can be followed here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hellobragi/the-dash-wireless-smart-in-ear-headphones
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Thank you!!!! I was going nuts on this one! After charging the watch last night the problem only worsened ...but when I switched rooms (carpet to wood), the issue began to dissipate.

Makes sense now. Thank you!
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
I was the previous server administrator, but Omate decided to go back to their unstable server in China... So that's why it's down, I don't see it coming back up anytime soon, so that's why the mod team and I decided to start a new forum supporting all smartwatches...

http://www.planetsmartwatch.com
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
I'm still trying to understand the logic. Because Omate TrueSmart forum is down, you came to promote your KS product in Omate thread on XDA? Wouldn't it make sense to start a new topic to get some visibility instead of your post getting lost among 100+ pages of discussion about another KS project?

Btw, Dash does look amazing, very ambitious project to combine a lot of functionality. But I think you probably need to start a new topic to bring more attention to it on xda.
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
Lol, I was like: "oh another smartwatch", but after I clicked on the link (after I replied already) I was like: "Nah, not interested" XD
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Yes, the same here. We have hardwood and stone tiles downstairs while carpet upstairs, and I noticed this problem on a few occasions only upstairs. It did puzzled me since it never happened with my Note 2 or Nexus 7 tablets upstairs, but then I thought maybe because of sapphire glass coating which has a different characteristics where it's more prone to generating static.

Btw, which phone do you have and what are you running (Android? Stock or ROM?) paired up with TS using Kurt's Companion app? How robust is the operation? I'm able to see incoming caller id consistently, but after seeing first email or txt notification I have to reboot TS to continue using Companion. I'm on Note 2 with a stock 4.3. From everything discussed in this thread already, sounds like it has to do with MT firmware, and not under Omate control. But still, I was curious about how does it work in your setup.

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But it would make a perfect sense to pair up Dash with TS. I'm just afraid with all the promised functionality that product not going to be available until sometime in 2015.
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
It doesn't make sense to me, you can also pair a normal headset to the TS and let the TS do the job, no need for extra tech in the headset for that...
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Give me a little bit.
[Ornate TrueSmart] misticjeff:
Funny how my needs are opposite. *I need a companion device so really would like to be able to tether via Bluetooth and get my notifications. *I'm sure the dev community will come up with a solution.
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
I mainly need it as a secondary stand-alone phone, but I'd also like to pair it with my Padfone, because sometimes my Padfone is docked in the tablet, and in my bag (or even worse, in the bag in the trunk of my car XD)...
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
You are not alone. I'm using MetaWatch now as a companion to my Note 2 phablet. My N2 is out of sight on silent at work, or deep in a pocket where I don't want to constantly reach out to check if I got a message. I just came back after 2+ of shoveling the snow (we got hit with a big snow storm here in NJ). I had my phone under layers of cloth with MW on so I don't miss any calls or emails. That's my primary requirement for smartwatch, although it's different for everybody. As they say, YMMV. But MW is way too limited and hard to see with its reflective display. And, I'm not a fan of Pebble. I do need that Notification functionality and then SOME - which I think TrueSmart will deliver once Companion is working together with already available full Android "smartphone" functionality on my wrist.
[Ornate TrueSmart] misticjeff:
Couldn't have said it better. *I currently use my Galaxy Gear with null ROM and full notifications at work where i'm not allowed to take out my phone (in public view) so it allows me to read email, see text messages and know who's calling me without "breaking the rules". *As a standalone, any watch is just too small for my day to day use as a phone.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Let clear up this companion app thing

Phone notifications sent to TS- WORKS

TS notifications sent to phone- WORKS

Remove the TS completely from the equation

Phone notifications sent to another phone- WORKS

Phone notifications sent to tablet- WORKS

Notifications sent from one Android device to another- WORKS

Issues

Broken BT in the firmware on TS causes BT to lockup- NOT Kurts fault, NOT Omates fault. IS MediaTek/Umeox fault. They are the ones providing the base firmware with broken BT. And this is not limited to just the TS.

Not Compatible with every Android device- Mostly due to the BT issues mentioned above and most apps

Not available to the public- Would you put yourself in a position where you know you will get blamed for something completely outside of your sphere of influence and risk having your app pulled from the Play Store?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
For those that were waiting on an update, I was told by the developer that he's rewriting the Bluetooth stack. It won't be be uploaded to the store until it's done.
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Thank you for the update!!!!!!!
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
Has anyone tried M2D My Second Device for companion tethering?
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
Didn't know something like that already existed, maybe I'll give it a try on my Simvalley soon...
[Ornate TrueSmart] mety333:
get NotiSync for now.

Get NotiSync for now free:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mattprecious.notisync&hl=en

works good for ANY notification including phone calls and sms from phone to the TS, using this myself works great!

you can choose which apps you want by creating profiles.

the only downside is that it only shows it as a notification and thats it;

tapping on those notifications on the TS just makes them disappear rather than open the app or give you any type of control to reply/answer or interact with it.

this is great enough until the companion app :):good:
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Does it work with other email clients, like Samsung native email or TouchDown? I see one of the screenshots has GMail, so wondering if other profiles can support more email options?

Even notification header without actual message is useful and a good start to hold us over ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] phissith:
Omate screw me

I like to add that the battery on this watch had to be charged twice a day!! Also I am one of those org. going for 1GB/8GB and since they have upgrade everyone for free I only get a free keychain (ugly). Loyally screeeeww!

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Have this been Apple or Google they would be class action Law Sue by now!! And don't give me this item is from KS so it is expected either! The goal was org. for 100k and they had 1 mil!!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Twice a day?! What are you doing?
[Ornate TrueSmart] crypticlama:
Still waiting for mine
[Ornate TrueSmart] BPM:
and still no news for 1GB/8GB EU edition
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
Omate get's the PCB's somewhere "around" the 20th of this moth, so assembling won't take long, but repacking them could I guess :S
[Ornate TrueSmart] BPM:
So we still have to play with our padfones ;) (but not really developers on board to get newer android versions running)
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
Padfone never got their XDA section, and the devs on my community don't really catch on... only some tweakers (including me XD) and theme creators... Still rocking the oldschool first generation, even though I have had an Infinity :D

But to get back on-topic: Omate will probably ship end of Feb or beginning of March? I don't know what their doing anymore...
[Ornate TrueSmart] BPM:
i have the padfone 2. it would be really cool to update to a android version to get bluetooth 3.0 so that we dont drain the batterie on the TS.

but i also own a nexus 7 (2013). so perhaps i will carry this with me and use the PF only at home.

i also backed the neptune pine. have to see which one arrives first.

after that i have to see which i like more and then sell the other on ebay.

i had many phonewatches form china years ago, but after 3g reached us they got useless. they was really cool for calls and text messaging. but time changed and so we need more technology on our wrist ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] SparkyRih:
Exactly the same her! :D I've worn China (I call them semi-smartwatches) for 6 years already :) But about 3 years ago I needed a secondary smartphone for obvious reasons...

But I use them both as standalone phones, so I don't really care about the companion app, although it's a nice addition like I explained earlier, when my phone is docked and thrown in the trunk of my care I can still get messages and calls from my Padfone through my watch :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] mety333:
XDA works great on this Omate smartwatch. :)

Sent from my Omate TrueSmart smartwatch
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Hey you know what would be nice? If we stayed on the topic at hand instead of talking about products that aren't x201s.

No offense, but people didn't vy for an independent forum so others could come in and derail every topic.
[Ornate TrueSmart] freditoj:
Does anybody know if a smartwatch with similar features is coming soon? Features like standalone phone for example. And

If I buy this should I dish out 50 dollars more for 512 megs of ram and a bit more storage or buy more storage in an external sd card and buy the 250 dollar version?
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
The TS has three cousins, Umeox x201, simvalley AW-420/421.RX and the Xtouch Wave. Each of these are based on basically identical SW & HW. Another standalone is the ZGPAX S5...a more budget friendly dual core with Android 4.0. The AI Watch, slated to have a quad core CPU, is also SIM ready...and currently is in pre-production.

There are also a number of Chinese watches that have cell radios built in, but can be Quality can be a major issue in this area...so do your research!

As with any tech, it mainly depends on how you use it. Do a audit of the available resources and the apps currently running on your phone...this should give you an idea of what you need.

Personally....I would say that 1GB of RAM is essential if you plan on keeping the watch for more than a year. Some of the newer apps are requiring more resources than ever.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
If you plan to use it as a standalone you need 1GB of RAM.

This is the RAM usage even after my tweaks but with all the core Google apps running like G+, Hangout, GMail and so on.

As a companion device it's not so bad as all you are doing is pushing notifications to the TS. In short using it as a glorified remote.
[Ornate TrueSmart] sm753:
Has anyone successfully removed the SIM card slot? I can't get the screws to turn at all. With the included POS screwdriver, nor with a similar sized screwdriver with an actual handle. One of the screws is more recessed than the other (came like that) so I'm thinking they weren't properly aligned when the assembled it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] trent999:
Yes - I got the two sim card slot cover plate screws off with no problem. I then removed the flimsy black plastic gasket underneath and installed a T-Mobile 5gig $30/month sim in there out of my Nexus4. Worked immediately, even with the gasket and door still off, once I got the sim chip All The Way in so it would stay (nearly invisible at that point).

The little screwdriver Omate supplied is pretty close to worthless unless you just need something to tear up the screw heads with. I use a high quality PH000 driver. When reassembling, be sure the gasket is seated well and that you have the door turned the right way - it is not symmetric.

Someone posted that the replacement screws that came in the bag with the screwdriver are possibly better quality than the ones that arrive in the device. Also, I have found that the torque on the screws as shipped varies from really tight to very loose, on the same watch...
[Ornate TrueSmart] mety333:
Agree with every word.

Taking the sim cover off was easy, putting it back after inserting the sim was trouble because yes the cover is not symmetric, and the cover bottom hole with the rubber hole AND the device hole were not aligned when i was closing it with the screw.

Ended up trying so many times i just kicked those screws away and used the extra ones which surprisingly fit on my first try.

I still needed to use rediculous accuracy to screw them because the rubber and the plastic cover are not glued and not aligned.

That sim will stay in that slot forever! Lol

Not excited to put the 64gb sd card just yet after this experience.

I have the 1GB RAM developer version, which is a BIG PLUS! Beats ALL the other smartwatches because they have 512mb ram even the neptune pine.

This watch is one of the FASTEST android devices i have ever used!

1.3ghz Dual core processor with 1gb of ram and a resolution of 240x240 adds to an amazing combination of speed.

This watch literary flies! handles every task fast, games are smooth and apps open instantly. Even the android UI animations are smooth.

...and im saying that as someone who is using a Sony Xperia Z with quad core cpu, 2gb of ram and full hd resolution (:

Oh yea and about the battery...... i'll let the pictures i attached do the talking ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Is this a defective unit?
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
Glad to see so much interest in the Developer Edition, the company have had to increase the original offering several fold.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
This makes me smile. Most of the devs that will be on it are app devs. I'm trying to get the firmware/kernel devs, like you and I, together as seen here one the Omate Developers Community.

Omate has not made an official announcement but the feeling I get in working with them is that the TrueSmart may end up being the Oppo Find 5 of the smartwatch world in interaction and developer support.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
I'm in! If possible, see if we can get some firmware images. :) Also, will the bootloader be unlocked? Will it support fastboot? And you mentioned CWM, didn't you? Will the stock units be easily rootable? If so, I can make a GUI to do it easily on windows, and bdaman80 can probably port it over (at least script-wise) to linux and mac os.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The firmware/kernel and source are not available yet. CWM support was leaked and confirmed some time back and will probably be a partition map edit and test away from official for us. Easy rootablity of stock units is up in the air at this point but root has shown to be fairly easy on all the MK6572 devices I've researched. The biggest problem Omate has right now is the developer support team is swamped.

I also approached the app devs to put a "face" on my Imperium Agent series for this device. That way it will be easy to use and not need recovery for pretty much anything sort of a kernel or base swap. This means compatible "ROM" builds from other devs will be very tiny DL's and only need root access.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
This was not possible. Omate said themselves they're main goal was keeping the "watch" size (and I totally agree). The camera initially wasn't even going to be there, but they found a spot they could put one, so they did. I'd rather have the camera where it is than no camera at all. I can get around the placement, and besides, it's a way more stealthy way to take pictures. We don't want to be like the people with iPads where everyone makes fun of us.

Same goes with the band. I see the want to go "look at me!!", but there's also a high demand for the exact opposite. I for one prefer the blending in side of things. If someone is genuinely interested in this stuff, they'll usually notice it regardless (especially if you're using it at the time). Otherwise, flashy bands and large blocky designs create opportunities for douchebags making stupid comments.
[Ornate TrueSmart] jeremy.chan:
i too am backing this with a developer version, and will have a dev kit available to someone (who is a dev, naturally).
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
About 10 metres.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
10m = 32.8ft, almost 12yds for those who are not metric-inclined.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
Why people don't use metric is beyond me :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Oh I love the metric system. Just not everyone can visualize that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] alabak2002:
I'm pretty sure this forum can be a great help on that problem. I've seen developers working together and helping each other here for years, so developer support could do fine covering just the more technical details.

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You'll look like Buzz Lightyear...

I see that location ideal, with your arm parallel to your body and using screen as viewfinder.

Putting the camera lens on top right corner where the top button is now, would've been enough, with your arm comfortably at 45 degree angle, and still able to look on the screen.

Perhaps on Truesmart V2... right now camera is useless for me, and almost preferred it removed.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I've been doing research on Bluetooth power consumption we may need rethink battery life estimates. In "companion mode" with the screen off and on a call we may get far more battery life than the the 240mins talk time in the official specs. Current BT radios uses around 3-5 times less power than cellular radios while passing the same amount of data. I will know more if I can ever get my hands on a white sheet for MTK6572.

It's mostly been an issue with answering the flood of emails about SDK, source core and things that only they control and have access to.
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
Band is designed in this way for practical purposes.

If you planing to go into pool with it or run/jog with it - you'll be happy to have this band and not something else.

But, even I'm o.k with material - it could be designed better.

I believe this design will attract more attention because it's look like you have toy on your hand.

And, even I'm aware that we are stucked with that battery, I still hope something will be changed.

With this 600mAh our development will be very limited.

Expecially kernel and ROM dev...
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
For those buying the watch do they plan to use it standalone, tethered to their phone or use it as a phone?

FYI, Verizon is bundling the Gear with the N3. Since I am upgrading my phone I should wait on deciding on this watch?