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[Ornate TrueSmart] Digital playworld:
I have got mine charging now, I had to straighten the pins in the cradle and re-seat the battery.

Incidentally, I only received an email at 6am this morning with the GLS tracking number which game me the Parcel Farce tracking number then when I checked tha it said held awaiting customs payment, so I called them and then webt over to collect it.So far I am impressed with the TS but the charging cradle feel cheep and flimsy and I suspect it will break easily
[Ornate TrueSmart] Srwilliams:
Loki and everyone thanks for the reply, but I am afraid not being that techie I really do not understand the reply. By using the Truesmart as a Bluetooth for my phone willl that allow me to use the smartwatch as an extension of the prime---that is to make and receive calls without the SIM. Or, do you have to have the phone serve as a hotspot for the watch for that capability.

The bottom line is that I want to use the watch capabilities---messages, phone calls by bluetooth and without having to place a sim card in it. Sorry for my ignorance on this matter
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
That's companion. That much will work.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
I thought Loki said that is the part that doesn't work yet?

Edit: or was that for bt internet hotspot then?

Sent using XDA-funded carrier pigeons
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
So you're clear on this...when a watch is a companion, its sole purpose is to act as a secondary notification slave to its master (phn/tab). Without a Sim card, the watch will not be able to do any of the above if the master/slave BT connection is broken.

At this point, it'll tell ya the time....
[Ornate TrueSmart] trent999:
What they are saying is that you cannot do that.

If you had a sim in your TS, you could tether a no-sim phone to it for data (if the plan your sim was under allowed that), but not the other way around.

I am pretty sure you can't use the TrueSmart as a phone without a sim in it. What you could do is connect your TS to your phone via Bluetooth or wifi, then use your phone's data connection to access the Internet. Or you could control your phone via a connection via a companion app on both. This would allow you to make and answer calls and so forth on your phone with the TS acting as a display and input device, but all that requires a companion app pair for them both.

Companion app sets are kind of like VNC client-server pairs. I think one is in development, but am unclear on the project's status. Omate was saying it would ship with a companion app, at one point during the kick starter campaign, but it might have been more of a "of course we would like to try to have such a companion app" type of comment.

Most vnc apps run over WiFi connections, because Bluetooth is slower.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Srwilliams:
Trent999 thanks for trying to bring some clarity to this. But it seems like everyone's replies are confusing me more.

To be clear. I had a Samsung Galaxy Gear watch that i sold because of the volume i=on the speakerphone was too low. But what i liked about the watch was that as long as it was connected to my phone via bluetooth I could make and answer calls directly from the watch without taking my phone out of my briefcase. All i want to know is that possible with this watch. Some say no. Some say wit can b/c that is "companion". I am confused. I want my cellphone with me at all times but in my briefcase. I want the sim card to remain in my phone while I am able to answer and make calls from the Omata. I am not interested in tethering to get internet capabilities. I just want my phone calls and email notifications without the sime card in the Watch.

There has to be a clear answer to this. And maybe it has been answered it is just i am not sophisticated enough to understand the answer given
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
I hear you but I was just making a suggestion cause I thought it would've been cool. Look I'm not hear asking why it doesn't have this or that etc. I've already pledged to get this watch cause I really like what it's offering and I know everything that's going on cause I've been falling them closely. Omate is doing a great job so far and I really like how they're communicating with us keeping us up to date.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Omatetruesmart:
Matiiit and

We don't want to meddle too much, keeping the discussion clean and really between the community members. But you guys have been great so far, everyone, to give us a clear picture of what you'd want most of all. That what we're here for, aside from being available for questions and comments, and the occasional pat on the shoulder (we like those) ;)

With the way we are launching this product, having experience with launching in the more traditional way, we are very happy we can apply certain most requested changes to the hardware. True, we do want to stick to our vision we have for the product but this way we can make certain changes you'd otherwise have in a next model.

Thanks again and keep posting, we're listening!
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
A lot of phones and smartwatches look good by specs but either do not come to market or fail to meet our expectations. I will wait for forum reviews of this watch to decide.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Omatetruesmart:
We just reached our stretch goal of $500.000 in pledges, resulting in upgrading everyones TrueSmart with the luxurious and ridiculously awesome Sapphire Crystal glass! :highfive:

Thanks everybody here too for the support!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
You might be surprised at how many do make it to market and except for battery life have generally good feedback. Most of smartwatches and watchphones never make it out of Asia, much less make it to the U.S.. LG, Samsung and others have all made smartwatches and watchphones over the years but good luck finding one in the U.S..

At last count there are over 20 different smartwatches and watchphones on the market. Most are the equivalent of a flip phone in specs but there are nice ones with decent build quality out there. I can say that in my almost ten years in mobile tech as either a developer or repair tech, the Omate TrueSmart will be only the second prerelease/launchday device I have ever spent money on.
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
Well...we are on 500 000$ and still have enough time for the next stretch goal.

Sapphire screen here we comes :)

I just hope dev version will be shipped in time.

I just raised my pledge for 20$ more to get 1Gb HD. (it's 512Mb stock)...
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Stoked on the Saphire Crystal glass. My motoactv's Gorilla glass is getting pretty scratched over the year and a half I've had it. I mean I'm treating it like a watch so no special care taken, but still, kinda puts a damper on it a bit. I've been following smart watches pretty closely..this one shows the most promise by far. I love how they are keeping it to a normal watch size. 2.5" screens are way too big for the wrist!
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
What's the first one?

Btw, about that russian quote in your sig, trying to understand the meaning :confused:
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The Photon. Which is also the only device I ever purchased major accessories for.

It's a secret. :p
[Ornate TrueSmart] Delano.888:
[MENTION=259710]oma[/MENTION]te: I just realized something awful..

When shipping this to me in the Netherlands, I will get a huge tax fine. I backed the dev edition + ram + keychain + a little extra for you. So the total is $250. If I import this from out of the EU, to the Netherlands, I will have to pay somewhere around €50, to €60. (Almost $80)

Is there a way we can solve this? Will you maybe ship to your local offices first, and then redistribute? I ask this because it's a lot of extra money for me and not worth it. If there is no way around it I will have to cancel my pledge, even though I really don't want to. $330 total is just to much for me..
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
Can you ship to someone in another country, and then on-forward as a gift?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Delano.888:
Same problem, when it goes from not-EU to EU €50 to €60 will be added.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
But what is the legislation - is it if an item is above a certain dollar amount?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Delano.888:
There are some strange rules, above €22 worth import duty get's added and above €150 BTW (21%) get's added. Or something like that, not completely sure, bot it's not fun for me.

But when it comes from a EU country, nothing get's added.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
That's why if you got someone to send it to you as a gift... then it won't be declared at 150 euros.

Not that condone that sort of thing ;) but as a suggestion
[Ornate TrueSmart] Omatetruesmart:
We have had this question before and if anything we want to avoid the mess that a certain other KS watch has made of it ;)

We have already said we will know when the campaign closes, then we'll have a clear view of how many to send to each country and we can match our shipping schedule. Until then I'm afraid we'll have to hold our answer, I hope you understand!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Delano.888:
Have you seen my original post?

[MENTION=259710]oma[/MENTION]te: I just realized something awful..

When shipping this to me in the Netherlands, I will get a huge tax fine. I backed the dev edition + ram + keychain + a little extra for you. So the total is 189,90€ ($250). If I import this from out of the EU, to the Netherlands, I will have to pay somewhere around €50, to €60. (Almost 60,77€ ($80))

Is there a way we can solve this? Will you maybe ship to your local offices first, and then redistribute? I ask this because it's a lot of extra money for me and not worth it. If there is no way around it I will have to cancel my pledge, even though I really don't want to. 250,67€ ($330) total is just to much for me..

I would like to know before the end, otherwise I will have to cancel, sorry, $80 extra is just not fun for me.
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
Then cancel man.

They can't be responsible to solve our duty and tax problems.

You must realise, when you buying via ebay or kickstarter - you'll probably pay taxes.

That's the way it is...

But I don't get this, why everyone said there's no customs/taxes if you are in EU?!

Omate send watch from US to EU so shouldn't there be taxes anyway.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Delano.888:
You don't understand. If they sent FROM EU TO EU, there will be no taxes. If they sent from anywhere outside EU, TO EU, there will be taxes, which is a lot.
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
I understand mate.

When I pledged I saw they are from US, watch is 200$ so I was prepared for taxes and all the rest.

It would be awesome if they could opened office in EU and ship from EU to EU but I really doubt that will happend.

I just said - it's very important to calculate all customs and taxes in the beginning.

If I'm buying something from US and it's over 150$ I always add (in calculations) 50-100$.

Don't get me wrong - idea for office in EU is great but I really doubt they will pay something like that (I hope I'm wrong ;)).
[Ornate TrueSmart] Jarocks:
And the lies continue

Oh yay a keychain! This is a joke, right?!

I'm strongly concerned this will further delay shipping for those of us who originally purchased the 1GB+8GB version. The email said nothing about the order of shipping. The whole keychain deal is unfair, but what gets me is that we could be put on the backburner.. We should at least get priority as far as shipping goes. I have a feeling Omate is going to yet again screw us over (more than just this keychain bs).
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
WAAAAAAAA! Come back here when the watch you were supposed to get before all other tiers is almost three months late and after others have already started to get theirs. The entire October Dev tier has been negated and until this update all we got was a number printed on the back.
[Ornate TrueSmart] trent999:
What you want, what you got with the Gear, needs a companion app pair that has one version for your phone (any phone, not just certain Samsungs...) and a version for the TrueSmart.

Linking them will probably be via Bluetooth, yes, like with the Gear.

The companion app set has been reported to be under development, but like just about everything with the TrueSmart it is not clear that it will really arrive pre-installed on the phones. I guess that the app for your phone in your pocket will be available from Google Play.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Srwilliams:
Thanks so much Trent999:

I finally git the dispositive answer I want and thanks to you I now understand clearly the situation or answer to my question. Thanks for stepping in and breaking this down on a base level for me
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Not sure if companion app for TS will work the same way as in other smartwatches. As soon as I find out, I will post more details about it.

Also, just a thought to consider for those who are impatiently waiting for their TS. Please, have some patience because if you would receive your smartwatch right this minute, you will be screaming - why the hell it's not working as I expected. Let them test and finalize everything, and by "them" I mean a number of developers who are dedicating a lot of their personal time and doing it on voluntary basis. Trust me, you better off waiting another month or so to receive and to enjoy your smartwatch to a full potential, rather than beta testing now. Ok, off to see how well Smart Launcher works on TS :cool:
[Ornate TrueSmart] trent999:
Thank you. The information would be greatly appreciated.

I supported TrueSmart for a developers edition. So I could at least work with more experienced developers on this new Android device. I have done debugging sessions with Hashcode on the Droid3 and the Kindle Fire, for example, and am a professional programmer working for a major company looking to expand further into the Android marketplace. I am actually more of a decoder than a coder at this point in my career, but Android is exciting.

I don't complain about the missed shipping dates, but I need the device. If for no other reason, to test our existing Android products on it and see if they need tweaking.

My VGNexus is happily running KitKat 4.4.2 via CM night lies and my unlocked Droid 3 is SafeStrapped and ran fine on local gsm chips in Italy last Spring - used it for Ingress ! So, I am not a total newb. I don't have the TrueSmart Dev edition yet, though others do. This is frustrating for a variety of reasons...not least of which is I wanted to show it off to my sons (also Android fans, and one also a java-coder) during Christmas visits. Sigh...

Keep up the good work, I understand your situation is confining and difficult - particularly with the Mediatek chipset issues. And remember, it doesn't matter how important it is to me and our company that we get a TS to mess with - it will only arrive after they decide to ship it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Sorry, you misunderstood me. I'm not a developer, but rather a reviewer (that's how I got my TS, don't kill me!!! :D - check out a link to all my review work on XDA in my signature) who asks developers all the dumb questions how to get things to work so I can explain it in other forums to common users/readers lol!!! The person on XDA who should get a lot of credit is Loki. There are a few other developers who deserve big props (http://www.omate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6020#p6020), but Loki has been the most vocal on XDA!!!

Notification app is written by Kurt, and as soon as I get the latest apk from him and test it out - I will provide an update on how it works. Being long time MetaWatch user (with a review here on XDA), for me personally #1 functionality of smartwatch is a remote display extension of my smartphone bt tethered with pushed notifications. All other features of the smartwatch is a bonus. As of right now, with an exception of sim card usage since I'm on Verizon, I was able to test and to verify android standalone functionality of TS and its very impressive for such a small device. Ironically, I went from Note 2 with 5.5" display to TS with 1.5" display, but it's definitely feasible. I'm running Loki's ROM which made things a lot smoother and improved battery as well, plus gives you access to Play Store. Overall build quality of TS is very solid, touch screen responsive, sapphire glass is tough, buttons have a nice tactile response, speaker volume is loud and clear, bracelet feels cheap, camera location is very awkward and usable mostly as POV cam rather than picture taking. Still testing battery life, but it's hard to tell yet since I was installing a few things, and also played videos and music. Btw, one of the practical application is to have your songs loaded and have bt wireless headset paired up with it as a wrist mp3 player ;) Web browsing with a default browser is not so useful because you can't zoom in, will have to update to another browser to see how it works. Typing takes a little bit of getting used to, but that Fleksy keyboard definitely works and perfect for a small display. I tried Smart Launcher and I think it will be just perfect for TS management of apps, widgets, and main lock screen with shortcuts. The OWatch which intended to turn the watch face on with an arm movement doesn't work for me yet; I assume its an old version from OStore. OSmart notification is also work in progress, and from what I read about others testing it - it's getting better and better with every release. That's the one I'm waiting for to test. Overall, so far so good and looks like hard work in progress. Definitely visit the link above which has G+ pages of some of the developers with constant updates, both pictures and some videos.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Srwilliams:
VEctron:

THANK YOU!!!

Finally someone has come on here and given us a hands on impression of the watch. Forget all the technical stuff. Just the impression of build quality, loudnes of speakerphone, etc, is so vital important to all of us just reading specs for the last month.

Vec: can you expound a little more on the speakerphone. I got rid of my Samsung Galaxy Gear becasue on phone calls you could barely hear the other person. Also, is the screen vibrant enough. And I like the fact that you said one of the most important features you are interested in is the companion capability, that is the bluetooth tethering with the smartphone.

But please speak to the speakerphone again for me in terms of call quality
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
Just like to 'Ditto' [MENTION=628172]Srwilliams[/MENTION]'s comment--I have run out of 'Thanks' for 24 hours so had to write it like this.

Thanks again for a very useful appraisal.

Plus, I totally agree with your view of [MENTION=2521422]lokif[/MENTION]ish--without him we would be a lot further away from a useable smartwatch. I am very keen to get my hands on my 1GB/8GB version, with/without gimmicky freebies merely to be able to flash some of Loki's work on the device.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Jolest:
Very sad that even with a perfectly good example of how this can work (Pebble, and work very very well I might add), they focused on the more complicated, power-hungry model of having the watch -be- the phone... Coming from the Pebble world, I'm going to find it very hard to give up the synergistic integration of the two form-factors.
[Ornate TrueSmart] dudilevi:
bahhhh as much as I love the TS team its sucks they delayed it again.

I would have preferred to get my 1gb/4gb watch already!!! rather than getting it next month with the 1gb/8gb.
[Ornate TrueSmart] markyboy81:
It seems that the gear should have been perfect for what you want. I have the gear and have ordered the TS, but only to use it in certain situations, like for sport, or maybe holidays.

I'll still use the gear for every day use as it works so well for notifications and is very reliable. I don't tend to make many calls through it, but when I have, I've found the speaker to be plenty loud enough, as I thought the idea was to hold it up to your ear as you do a phone? Looks a bit silly but works well.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mhoepfin:
The latest Gear Manager update has made the speakerphone even louder...
[Ornate TrueSmart] vagelis:
SrWilliams, might I suggest to you the Qualcomm Toq?

Works great with the Note 3 here and since the notification system is based on the notifications manager it does not mess up with the accessibility issues of TouchWiz
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
I have a 414.go and it has the same charging cradle and I agree its also pointless it having the screen acsessable as the device is unuseable wail charging due to the chargers design.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Srwilliams:
Vagelis:

Thanks for the heads up. But I thought the Toq does not permit you make and receive calls from the wath itself, so I thought. I will go back and take a look at it again.
[Ornate TrueSmart] vagelis:
I don't mean to hijack the thread however the Toq can control phone calls. Though it does not have headset functionality, it can still make and end calls and work with your bluetooth headset
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
If you have a TrueSmart, for the love of all that's tech, run my MOD/ROM.

​

To make sure my intent is clear I'm not saying "oh please pretty please run my use my work". I cannot go into details right now but will say it is imperative that you run the MOD until further notice.
[Ornate TrueSmart] trent999:
When mine eventually arrives, someday, I surely will !
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
+1
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
+2

Though by the time mine arrives, you'll be onto v4 already :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Digital playworld:
I would love to try your mod but I cannot get mine to even connect to my pc! All I get is "USB device not recognised" message when I plug it in.

Due to my line of work I'm use to flashing roms etc but I cannot get mine to connect to my pc

I have a windows 8 laptop so I tried on a differen computer (that also has the VCOM drivers installed) but I got exactly the same message, can anyone help?

Also I have tried to use the "Osmart" from the Ostore and my understanding is that this app allows you to use the TS as a bluetooth companion to your phone? But for the life of me can I get mine to work that way, I can link it but nothing works at all?
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
OSmart from OStore will not work yet. The working version is currently under development and frequent updates, and still in beta testing.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Digital playworld:
Oh I didn't realise that! OK thanks for the heads up.......... Why have it in there then available to download?
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Well, the problem is that a lot of people wanted to get their TS asap so they ordered "developers edition" which they are receiving right now. The whole idea of "developers edition" was to send out a finished hardware with semi-finished software under-development. How unfinished this software is - I will leave up to you to judge since you already have the watch ;) But that's a price to pay if you want to get your hands on a smartwatch before general public does :D
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Did you disable quick boot in accessibility settings before powering down?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Digital playworld:
Yes and it has made no difference!

---------- Post added at 12:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:08 PM ----------

Mine isn't a developers edition, its just a standard version!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
VCOM drivers do not work with the MOD only the ROM

Try downloading the latest ROM and follow the instructions for that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Digital playworld:
I cannot get my TS to be seen full stop. I have downloaded all your files and tried to update drivers etc but without success. Currently when I connect my TS it is seen in device manager as an 'other device' 'unknown device'.

It's driving me mad :(
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
So we are on the same page.

ROM Method

Install VCOM Drivers

Launch SPTools

Select scatter file (it's in the Imperium Operative v1.0.1 folder)

Hit the Download button (F9)

Pull battery out of the TS

Insert battery into the TS

Do not turn on the TS

Connect TS to PC

What do you get after this

Reread one of your other posts. What method are you trying to use?