yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
You will beable to use PayPal after the kickstarter if you don't mind paying full price' I asked them as my card also wasn't compatible.

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414 go is a horrible device, I've had one for 3-4 weeks and it has the worst firmware and launcher I've ever used and to make it worse the 3g/2g went so faulty it won't connect to anything. Also fails to connect to another phones data/connection. I'm returning it and being sent a 420 as a replacement.

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I am being sent a 420 next week to replace my faulty 414 if all goes well.

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The 414 is metal casing too or seems to be.

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Yeah the connector is horrible and only worked for data for me twice x.x
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Camera is really useful for QR Codes !!

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/UaygHKMkyVz

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charging is very very fast !!! i will give figures tomorrow.

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i just did a quick test: went from 42% to 68% in 5 min. 3G, Wifi, BT, Screen all on

to bad it does'nt come with the cable, it would be very easy to quickcharge it on the go with a portable battery !
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Yea, radios drain like crazy but I can get qr codes. Can't get the barcodes yet.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
It's gremlins.

And I don't mind b/w or loss of sideloading, just do want it to be able to go into USB mass storage mode in recovery and possibly be able to run ADB while in there, but that's optional, as neither of those work for the MotoACTV CWM build, and we got by.

However, that cwm build has 3 more buttons to work with than the TS has available...
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I'll talk to Dees.

Biggest issue I'm coming across is play store working fine until you try to download something. It doesn't seem to be synced to my purchases though my account is logged in. I wonder what I'm missing.
[Ornate TrueSmart] jaskru:
This thread title should be changed to "Umeox Smartwatches"... lol

My TS is out until I redo a bootcamp windows install. Mavericks has me miffed right now and my TS is bootlooping due to my own actions. Putting all that aside for a few days.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
How did you get google apps working?
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Where did you buy it from?
[Ornate TrueSmart] jiexi:
yeah, same question here. Can't seem to find much info on this thing.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Someone on ebay
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
I just got my aw-414.go. Ordered it on Pearl.de (German reseller of these Umeox watches) two months ago.

I will make an unboxing video and a review this weekend.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The zip is not pretty and not done but gets us so very close that somebody with image editing skills gets the idea. Even if it needs to be converted back to RGB it should still work. The icons/buttons could probably be just a white indication with a white border to define the icons/buttons. Simply editing the images alone will get us the space we need.

Original - 172KB

Color reduced - 38.5KB

BTW, what's up with you guys trying to get Omate to hire me? It like the second time this has happened over on their forum. I'm honored that you think so highly of me but I'm not all the great of a dev really.

UPDATE

Played around a little bit more (images3 zip) and if the new image edits are usable, it will shave 133.5KB off the recovery. I would feel comfortable with another KB or two shaved off just to be safe.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
So, I just got it.

It is a used model. When opening the box, I found that the screen protector was scratched and looks like it has been at least removed once. Also, all the sealed accessories like the battery and stuff have already been opened.

Are you having problems logging in into hangouts?

Also, has anyone managed to get Bluetooth tethering to work? There seems no client (DUN) profile for tethering.

//edit

wow, the screen is horrible. You can see some sort of "scanlines" moving from the bottom of the screen upwards. Like when a camera is filming a crt, but with your naked eye.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
Could you upload the original twrp images and I'll have a crack at playing with them. Before I do that I just have a couple of questions to define the parameters i need to adhere to:

What is the maximum size of the images files that we are aiming for?

Are we stuck on the filetypes that the images are already in or can we change them?

I'm a web developer by trade but due to work pressures have a pretty good grasp of image editing and how to optimize images.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I think we're stuck, but if you need the recovery image I can get you one. Wet have to stay under 6mb.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Mine was brand new :)

hangouts doesn't work for me either. nor Google+.

could get bt tethering to work either with my z1.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Everything works for me except Market and BT internet tethering.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Without BT tethering this watch is completely unusable for me. It also seems this is just ROM-related, so they could have added the correct profile if they wanted to.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Bluetooth tethering is flawless. There is no option to share internet.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
I had that issue with my 414

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I'm worried now it will be useless to me without playstore hope someone fixes that...
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
BT tethering seems to be broken with every 414.Go.

Play Store works here, but Play Services are broken (no G+, Hangouts, etc).
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Oh right well that sucks.

I only really use play store so if normal email works should be fine.

Had to download a new apk to get normal email to work on my nexus 7 2013 after I flashed cyanogen mod 10.2? To it why I say that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Here you go. They are not formatted to 240x240 and are for a 320x480. I reduced the size in images3 to 75% to get the 240 width. Not sure about the specifics regarding file type and size as we can't even test the existing build for formatting issues. I think ClearD may have started on bat script already and this could be added in.

For everybody

Regarding Play Store and Google Services

I want to wait and see how the custom recovery works out first but could put together a core package that would require root and updated busybox. It would be a script/commands that you run on device or via a bat file or script you run while connected to a PC.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
+1

Makes perfectly sense as all these watches are technically identical or at least very similar.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I'm interested.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Totally agree. Will probably end up cherry picking from all the different firmwares for the different versions at some point anyways.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Good idea. It'll be like the galaxy S all over again. So how do we build it this way?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
Ok, So I have resized the keyboard images to 240px wide keeping aspect ratio. I also resized the wallpaper image to 240x240 to fill the screen then I went through every image and tried to balance file size with quality.

When we get it running and can test them properly and I can make further adjustments if needed.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
Weird, won't let me upload the file in the previous post! Here is the zip with colour images and another with grey images.

Extracted the images are 34.6k(grey) and 42.6k(colour)

Personally the colour ones look better but if size is the main concern then obviously the grey ones win and are 3.9k smaller than the ones in the images3.zip file above.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Let me know if a new recovery image is needed.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The color edit is still too big. Would have to shave off the space elsewhere. :crying:

If your greyscale edits are smaller than 38K we should be golden.
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Just had a quick look at the images. PNG supports 8-bit color (remember VGA?). It could be a nice compromise between size and aesthetics/graphics. Some images would require more work to redo the images than a simple B&W conversion. Others like the font can be converted to B&W without a visual difference.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
If somebody wants to test it, try using Stu|'s grey images. That should give enough breathing room to be safe.

But that would be in the opposite direction size wise. Unless you know something I don't.
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
How's 37.8K? :)

Used your 2nd zip, but changed some PNGs from 24 to 8 bit, font went to 1bpp, and lowered the JPG quality from 90 to 60 on another couple.

Unlock and keyboards and some others should be redone to fit an 8-bit scheme to make them more usable without increasing their size substantially.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
Yeah. the colour images I posted were done using 8bit png with indexed colours.

For the greyscale ones I converted them to greyscale and then indexed them from that point, not sure how they will look from that on the small screen as you sometimes lose the detail in smaller images especially in greyscale.

I went through every image and sometimes only shaved off about 2-300 bytes and some actually got bigger after I converted them to grey.

I was wondering about the image that has a JPG version and a PNG version. If one of those is superfluous then that would shave a bit more off the size.
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Some could be converted to B&W, like checkbox icons, back icon, home, radio, slider, top bar, and +/-.

The intermediates, unlock need a different design that lends itself better to gray or B&W.

Keyboards should use 4 colors flat (black, white, a dark grey and a light grey). This would provide a nice balance between aesthetics and usability on one side, and size on the other
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I don't know how to switch out images, unless you want me to download it and send it off.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Untested and repacked using MTK_repack from michfood's utils. The repack using Stu|'s greyscale is 5.99MB and should fit. This zip is NOT flashable.

If this doesn't work then it's up to kuronosan to pass it along to "angel" dev that is helping us out.

Also. If anybody flashed it, please report back. I am very curious about if it works or not.

UPDATE

Currently working on modifying the root method (djrbliss's motochopper) so that will also install minimal 4.2.2 gapps (Play Store and Google sync services) as well. It will still be a "one click" tethered (a.k.a. connect to PC) method for Windows, Linux and OSX users. This will be just in case custom recovery doesn't work as well as providing a way to get Google Services installed for those not wanting to flash a custom recovery. May also be swapping out Superuser for SuperSU.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Here are some screenshots from my AW-414 Truesmart:

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/71UuSNRdS2Z
[Ornate TrueSmart] jiexi:
Looks nice. Pretty cramped though :/
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
It is very.

Ingress works in theory, but since everything is so cramped, you cannot press the action buttons on a portal (they are all overlapping).
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I would disagree, but then again that depends on if you like modifying the dpi through script (and I mean per app, not the watch).
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Some more screenshots from AW-414 truesmart ﻿

(wunderlist, solidexplorer, 2xbatterypro, aptoide, swiftkey, airdroid)﻿

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/7CjosuCRh5h
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
You could always call it TS-414 and really confuse people. ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
So you are running the ts firmware? Any chance BT tethering works as oposed to the simvalley firmware?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
HAHAHA Candy Crush on the go!!
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Communication does, yes. Unfortunately the settings menu is so limited there's no option for using shared internet.

The settings menu needs a huge revamp.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
;)

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New screenshots from aw-414 truesmart ﻿

(Google Experience Launcher, Beautiful Widget Animated Background, TabletSMS, NotiSync, Titanium Backup, Widgetsoid and Trayvolume )﻿

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/J51fF2pQxhX
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
I have a trouble with Google Exp Launcher and Nova Launcher, there is no notification/status bar. And i didn't find how to display it. somebody has an idea to help me ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Some pics taken with the #aw-414

Well... the camera is not very good ;) #omate #ts should be far better !﻿

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/bZMFUWJhvJJ
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Well, that seals the deal for me. So it seems, none of the current firmwares support BT tethering. I am sure at some point, there will be CM for the Umeox smartwatches, but this will very likely be after my 14days return policy.

I will send my 414.go back and instead order a Galaxy Gear for ~240€ (in Germany). It already has a standalone custom rom which allows BT tethering, Playstore and Play Services. It also has a higher res screen (320*320) and it is AMOLED.
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Any chance an app from Play can fix that? This is a big snafu that will upset a lot of people, as it forces them to pop in a SIM card with a 2nd data plan in order for the TS to access internet.

Maybe:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.foxfi

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mstream.easytether_beta

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eonsoft.TetheringV2
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
you can still get internet from phone via Wifi. but it's power hungry...
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
I know, thats why BT tethering is very important. I've tried it between my S3 and S2, and works pretty well and is pretty power efficient.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
ok i had a doubt, your post was misleading : you wrote "as it forces them to pop in a SIM card with a 2nd data plan".

well it doesn't if you use wifi ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Don't see why not. Then again cyrilp is running a two week old unfinished test build firmware. They would have to be crazy to release it on regular backer units. I think folks should not worry about what an unfinished test build can or cannot do at this point. It's like people whining about beta software having bugs.

Hope folks also realize that a tethering option on the TS means you are using the TS to provide data service for you phone. To have the phone provide data service for the TS you enable BT tethering on your phone then pair the TS to your phone.
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Its one thing to have the option there but isn't working or buggy, its another to not have it at all.

At this stage, I'm more inclined to worry about its absence from the final firmware. The scope and usage scenarios that Omate and Le Pen has been communicating as their primary use cases have shifted quite a bit since KS...

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Having WiFi hot spot connected will drain the battery in 3-4 hours away from a charger. Its just not practical.

BT tethering, on the other hand, won't drain that much more battery, and works over WiFi and 3G. When I tried it with my S2 (without a SIM) tethered to my S3, it worked very nicely and battery usage wasn't affected much.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
well this doesn't work so far. AW-414 and Z1 connected via BT, BT internet sharing activated on Z1, but no internet tethered on AW-414.

by the way i'm not worried yet, i know we are just at the beginning and there is a lot of work yet to be made ! and well even so it works allready pretty well imho !

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It would be handy to be able to deactivate, at will, the watchface to go directly to the launcher when one click on the upper button.

Some now if it's possible ? if the option could be added in a futur rom ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I can't imagine using my TS as a hotspot, BT or otherwise but I see your point. It would be nice to have the option to do so. This is one of my biggest pet peeves with almost every mobile device out there. If the HW supports it 's in the default SF config then don't be a **** and remove it.

You saw that too. I'm tired of getting trolled so folks are on their own on this. Aslo think folks should be even more concerned about shipping, and for U.S. backers, FCC.

It could be the BT stack (features) still need work. We will see.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
It is _not_ beta software. It is the final firmware of the 414.go and it seems the TS has a similar firmware, but only a different launcher

. I don't think Omate is developing anything inhouse at all, they are relying on Umeox for the firmware.

not possible with the current official firmware.

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The first one is wifi tethering, which is already built in into android.

The other two are USB tethering.

BT tethering is not possible, since the correct bluetooth profiles are missing.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Just starting to flash my Samsung Gear to see if i can make it work with my Z1 and make some comparison with aw-414.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
that would be great :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
I think I didn't explain myself clearly. The objective is using my phone as the hotspot and have the TS tether to it over BT, so I don't have to put a SIM in the TS.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
I hope it will work because the screen is SOOOOOOO Beautiful !!!

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More Screenshots from #aw-414 #truesmart

(Hangouts, Lync 2010, Rom Toolbox Lite, Google Earth, Notes, Chrome, Map)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
[MENTION=2936539]skyworxx[/MENTION]

cyrilp is not even on AW-414 firmware. He is on Omate unofficial firmware (omate_TrueSmart_Public_20131109). Don't care if they are similar or not, they are two different builds with more than just a launcher change between them.

Sorry about that. I will know more when I get my hands on a device. That is unless the continued BS doesn't make me rage quit first.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
Hah, I've pretty stopped commenting on anything. Waiting to get ts before doing much. Enjoying getting to know my 2 month old baby. Congrats on your baby loki btw, I imagine that you are feeling pretty much the same as me in that respect.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I don't think it's that the profiles are missing. There are lots of options that simply aren't coded into the settings menu.

For example, band/channel switching for WiFi is not present, so I can't check if it's automatic or Euro band. As a result, I can't connect to my home network.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Hi,

Would anyone know how to enable accessibility ?

I have a notification app that need accessibility enabled.

In the settings "Accessibily" the state is shown as deactivated but there is no way to activate it. Well at least i didn't find how to do.

Cyril
[Ornate TrueSmart] jaskru:
Yeah, I have a feeling that is due in part to the settings menu modifications they (Umeox or Omate) did. Another reason I feel strongly that third party roms are important.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Looking over it and having talked with IG I'm not sure the profiles are missing but they definitely have left a lot of standard features out while adding some of their own stuff.
[Ornate TrueSmart] gerhardo:
No help, but a question:

are all apps full-screen, like extended mode in cm?

With Nova, are menu/back swipes still there?

Anyone overridden the home button to other things?
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Yes they are all fullscreen, see there i have posted a lot of screenshots : https://plus.google.com/u/0/+CyrilPreiss0/posts

the problem with nova (and google exp) is that the notification/status bar is hidden.

i'm using Gmd Gesture control and use swipe left to right gesture to simulate home button, working great. (and bottom to up to get google home).
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Fixed force close on play store.

Play store and Google play services both have to be system apps in order to work.

I feel so dumb not having thought of this before.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
how do get them as system apps ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
Install Titanium backup and then use the convert to system functionality
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Replacing the Clockface with some more usefull data

I found out how to replace the Clockface with some more usefull data.

Using WidgetLocker as lockscreen.

When there is no unlock button to gain space, i'm using "back button to unlock" option of Widgetlocker and i get the "back button" by assigning "up to down" gesture with GMD Gesture Control.

The BEST option would be using Lockscreen notification widget wich has the ability to turn the screen on when a new notification popup (wich would be useful on the watch). BUT this widget requires Accessibility service activated and so far there is no way in settings menu to do it :(. This is a real pain !!!

Other options combine Beautiful Widget and Executive Assistant.

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/Hjoa6N23YWo

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I just tried but i get "not enough space on rom" :(

any idea ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
ROM Toolbox's Root file explorer.

Go to /system/vendor and delete the "ReinstallAPKs" folder. This will clear up 132MB of space.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
hi ! thank you. I had just found out how to do myself: i used rom tool box to uninstall "facebook" wich has freed enough space :)

and it's working !!!!!!!!! i'm downloading google+ right now :)

can we delete "ReinstallAPKs" without problem ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Facebook should have been a regular app and not a system app. Well, either way, that folder is wasting space so go ahead and delete it.

Once my sample unit comes in I put together a new firmware that will have that folder removed as well as some other fixes. "Don't ask for ETA's" rule applies though. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
please put on your to do list: finding a way to enable accessibily services !!!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
That ever growing list is ever growing.:silly:
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
There are a lot of apps which are system and shouldn't be. Facebook and instagram come to mind.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Using the watch as hotspot via BT or Wifi

Using AW-414 as hotspot to tether internet via BT or Wifi

Tested with my nexus 7.

BT works fine.

For Wifi you have to use an app like FoxFi: Indeed there is a "Wifi Hotspot" option in the menu .... but no submenu to set the WPA code...)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.foxfi

PS: when using the phone connection (Edge or 3G) as internet provider, the watch become very hot and the battery dies very quicky ! So if you want to use it as an hotspot you will have to connect it to an external battery !

https://plus.google.com/101149847908870195450/posts/dydFUtyqrFr
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
What we're asking (as we discussed on G+) is if you can use your phone or tablet internet connection and share it to the TS over BT.

That's expected as its very small, metal body, with nowhere for the heat to escape.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
Hmm, but why does it produce so much heat as a Hotspot?