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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] lude219:
Was looking forward to maybe 6in. Don't think I'll upgrade just for an increase of 0.2in in screen size.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] lmike6453:
I thought the same, but many of us came from the Galaxy Note 1 where it was the same difference, 5.3 to 5.5

Alot of it depends on screen quality difference for me, and it would have to be much better for me to pull the trigger on it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Mad383Max:
I still have the note 1 too. There was a significant difference in software, battery and performance between 1&2. There is not much on the s4 that I can't do on the note 2. I use my 2 for work and a bigger screen would be a benefit. Not saying I won't get the 3 but if the rumours hold true , in my case, there would be no benefit to upgrade. Will see what Sept 4th reveals.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] wase4711:
this is the smart thing to do..

I grabbed a note 8.0 a couple of months ago, and it is fantastic; there was a BIG difference between the note 1 and 2, so it made it a worthwhile upgrade; going from the note 2 to the note 3 appears to be nothing more than bragging rights, about having the newest phone.

Until the Note 3 actually comes out, none of these "leaks" have any relevance to most people anyways, so we will just have to wait and see..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] abowlby:
I'm happy with my Note 2. The same as I was with my GS2, thus skipping the 3. However, I'm excited to hear about the new software features - I want to see a photo editor that really takes advantage of the digitizer.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] force70:
A 6" screen would have been nice but I thought the small jump in screen size going from the s3 to s4 wouldnt be noticeable but it is.

I am really looking fwd to sept 4 because until then we really dont know anything for sure.

I will get the 3 more than likely regardless but I wont get rid of my 2 either as its still an amazing device.

sent from my S3, S4 or Note2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] theorioles33:
Was thinking about upgrading but I really love my Note 2. Its perfect in every way. I recently picked up a Note 8. Great tablet.

Cant wait to see whats in store as far as 4.3 and goodies from Samsung for our Note 2.

Did you see some of the comments on that article? One guy was disappointed because the screen wasn't "at least" 6.5 inches. Really? That's ridiculous.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] lazerus06:
I would be surprised if we see 4.3 on our device anytime soon. I bet it will be at least 2014 before we see it.

It makes sense from business standpoint to not upgrade the Note 2 to 4.3 while the Note 3 is out for a bit.

Same reason why the Galaxy S3 was never upgraded to 4.2. They want to heat on the S4 as long as they can.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] theorioles33:
Ya think? From what I've been reading (rumors) it seems like Samsung will be skipping 4.2 in favor of 4.3 and it sounded like its not far off. Maybe within the next couple of months. It would be nice but what you said makes sense also. I guess time will tell.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] shaolin95:
Wow that pic really shows how lame an upgrade this is. 6'' would have been the natural progression for note 3. This pic makes me feel even more disappointed.

Let's see what Htc and Sony bring to the table then... After 4 Samsung phones in a row for me they finally disappointed me :/

Sent from the Mighty Note 2!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Mad383Max:
Well, xperia z ultra is horrendous. Great specs but very unwieldy looking. To much upper and lower bezel. One max looks interesting but buying HTC is as likely for me as buying an iPhone (not in this lifetime). Will wait and see what they show before condemning it for screen size alone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] shaolin95:
Problem for me is that, screen size is pretty much the main thing I would like to improve over my Note 2. The multi windows or floating windows option would be much better on a slightly bigger screen not to mention other apps making it more productive using other apps that can benefit from the added size.

The Z ultra has horrible bezels but I dont mind that much. If it was not for the stupid battery I would be all over it.

HTC...well I had a Tilt 2 once..that was my only HTC so not a big fan but at least it is 6".

Then again, I probably wont have floating windows with those so is all a tough decision but looks maybe I will just keep my Note 2 for now :/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] wase4711:
Me Too...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Eun-Hjzjined:
It depends on the CPU/RAM for me, at the moment.

1080 would be a nice increase in resolution, but if you are happy with the note 2 (as many of us are) so far, the note 3 doesn't seem like a big step up from what we got already.

That said, I've got an upgrade coming up in a couple months, on one of my lines. So I could get the note 3 on upgrade and not spend a dime.

But, we don't know the whole picture yet.

If they frack with the internals like they did on the note 1, I'm probably going to skip the note 3. Unless the north american version is top tier, and not cutting corners on slower memory or a cut back CPU, it's going to be a hard sell for note 2 owners like all of us.

T0LTE : DEVIL : SLIM
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] crixley:
You have to remember people wanting the screen to get much bigger are a minority, they have to go the way business tells them. After the looks I get with the note already I can safely say most people already consider it huge, so it makes sense they wouldn't want to push it to the point where they would lose most of their sales. We definitely represent a small minority here
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] TheGrandFinale2001:
Yeah, I agree with this. Most of the people that wanted a bigger screen are the ones in the rooting and modding community. Everyone else that I have met or know always say "man that's a big phone" or "that's just too big". How unfortunate.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ArborRes:
I would have actually preferred to have the phone size reduced without the loss of the screen size, but a slight increase in the screen size with much higher resolution is not bad either. Any larger than the current size would be uncomfortable to carry around. If so, it would be better to buy the Note 8 instead!

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] avich:
Answering the OP:

I personally feel that note2's bezel is a bit too narrow - occasionally it registers finger presses on screen edges when I just hold it deeper in my palm. I think that with note3 this problem will be more prominent.

And it seems that there will be no OIS in the camera... :eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Mad383Max:
Well broke down and got this:

Just kidding. Bought it for my wife.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] dmxinc:
I might be swayed by AT&T's new "next" program. They "supposedly" would buy the Note 2 back for $150..... And, I'd like to have the new processor, Ram increase and camera. If I can really get it for the 150, I'd give in....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Eternalty:
You can get way more on eBay or some other means. 150 is not a good deal

Sent from my CLEAN Note II
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Spacemonkie4207:
1080p on an RGB display would be pretty sharp. I just got the note 2 so I won't be upgrading any time soon, maybe later next year.

One the plus side this means 4.3 is not too far away for N2.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] dmxinc:
Didn't even think about Ebay, thanks. Even more likely to upgrade.....lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] bigfau:
Yeah I got that myself. Thinking of taking it back. You cannot root and it has a locked boatloader.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] abowlby:
I see a lot folks sharing the same sentiments here, yet there is an undeniable hype building online for the GN3. I think that the GN3 will be the GS3 of Notes in terms of bringing over a new "cut" of the smartphone market. When I first brought my Note to class there were several GS3 owners who showed a lot of interest; so with those contracts drawing to a close and the ever growing number of people jumping from the USS iPhone, I think we'll see a lot of success coming from the GN3.

Meanwhile some of us "savvy folk" will be able to easily squeeze another year out of our Note 2s.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] gregsarg:
I'll keep what I've got too...

I see no reason at this point to switch ...especially considering the lackluster camera ...which I consider an epic fail by the way..

No image stabilized device for $800 bucks !!

Pass .....

Excellent post BTW...TY....g

Edit:

I'd like to predict that the note 3 will have marginal battery life...g
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] abowlby:
No way. The battery life is a focal point of the Note's success. Word is bond.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Eun-Hjzjined:
I think this is cutting it a bit short. This phone has the potential to be another HD2.

Even if I do upgrade off the start gate, I'll be keeping my note 2.

T0LTE : DEVIL : SLIM
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Mad383Max:
Yeah, knew that going in but she kept complaining about her Skyrocket being to small. This does more than she will ever need and it was only $98 at Walmart. She is extremely happy with it and my middle son is extremely jealous as he 'only' has a 2 year old Note 1.

The locked boot loader will keep me from wanting to tinker with it for a while. Hopefully this isn't a sign of the Note 3 bootloader.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] abowlby:
Yeah, thats kind of what I was trying say in that last bit. So, a lot of folks will still be completly happy with the 2, knowing like you have said, that it has long term potential. However, I don't think that it will be reflected in GN3 sales because I really think that the GN3 will sway over a whole new demographic.

Competition is become more dynamic now too though. People are able to get very capable phones on the cheap (unocked). And once Apple starts (if they do start) talking cheaper cells, John Q. Public is going to be noticing that market segment more. Not necessarily in terms of say, a cheap iPhone, but maybe even high value propositions like the Nexus 4 and Lumia 520 (great handset for $100 by the way).

*shrug*

I'm just rambling here.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] sling:
Im going for GN3 but will have to make move to T-mobile due to ATT boot loader lockdown policy.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ungraph:
The only reason the note 3 is a viable upgrade for me is the supposed IR blaster.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] dmxinc:
Can't modify=No Buy for me.....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] lmike6453:
Oh wow i didn't even know att is going to do that...

Added a poll question for upgrade!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] gregsarg:
Lol....

Uh huh....g
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] dawheat:
I was initially dissapointed by the reports of a 5.7' screen, but after playing around with the Mega 6.3 (which has small bezels all around), I'm coming around. There is going to be a niche for very large phablets like the One Maxx and the Z Ultra, but they cross the line of what makes a phablet so useful - the largest screen in an everyday pocketable smartphone. These phones will likely need to be carried in a bag to be comfortable - which defeats the purpose of a phablet IMO.

The Mega 6.3 cannot be carried in a pocket comfortably - certainly not in any sort of tailored suit pants. The Note 2 was likely close to the limit, so an increase to 5.7 in a similarly sized package makes a lot of sense in maintaining this everyday usability.

I'd also like to see the Note 3 be slightly lighter. The Note 2 is acceptable, but you do certainly feel it after one handing it for 20 minutes.

I don't see any reason why battery life should be any worse - if anything we should expect some improvement a la S3 to S4. Unlike LCD screens, AMOLED screens do not require more power when increasing resolution - if anything it helps with the longevity of the subpixels. The current Snapdragon SOCs seem quite power efficient as well.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] abowlby:
What does that even mean?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] shaolin95:
Where did you read that? If that is the case i would have to buy it instead of upgrading :/

Sent from the Mighty Note 2!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] sling:
Info on att new lock all bootloder policy has been all over the web since GS4 release

Ive been going back and forth on how im going to buy GN3 , I may stick with dependable Att & buy it unlocked from Amazon when avalible
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] abowlby:
I didn't know this either, but thanks for sharing. Has anyone ever figured out the rationale behind telcos doing this? I mean, I actually like TouchWiz but I also prefer the ROM from the International Note.

If all of these companies keep locking the bootloaders, it kind of takes one of Androids most compelling edges away (for me at least).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] crixley:
To keep people from rooting and flashing custom roms?

I thought it was pretty obvious.

Imagine the amount of returns they get from people not knowing what they're doing and bricking their phones.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] sling:
They want to keep us on their stock bloated rom that provides user info that makes them even more money.

This carrier boot loader scam has nothing to do with bricks

Users will still be able to root , get into system files but no way to fix after file screw up so returns will increase
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] crixley:
You can look at it like a conspiracy theory all you want....

The reason they do it is to try to keep people from modding their phones.

Plain and simple.

Anyhow, the majority of customers don't even know what a bootloader is, let alone that it is locked lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] sling:
Conspiracy theory lol

Not at all , their bloat makes lots of money - http://siliconangle.com/blog/2013/03/22/bloatware-get-this-crap-off-of-my-phone/

Seeing ATT is the biggest bloat your phone carrier in the world they have lots to loose with users able to clean slate their device with custom roms thus lock boot loader keeps money flowing.

Yes user can root to get rid of bloat but if user fumbles in system files aka bootloop which happens a lot their SOL due to no recovery and busted for tampering with device = warranty void.

Unlocked bootloader keeps bloat off and device stable.....ATT doesn't like that
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] crixley:
So then why do sony, nexus, moto phones comes with locked bootloaders regardless of carrier????

It isn't as simplistic as you're making it out to be
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] sling:
Oh but it is simplistic.

Nexus for the most part is unlocked on all carries...after all it is Google branded.

Sony & Motos reasons are the same , They make money off bloat they've installed so not wanting it removed only makes sense.

Its all about bloatware = lots of money

This talk about ATT loosing money due to brick is nonsense

Some go back to Samsung with money invested being reimbursed.

Some are parted out to 3rd party fixer & resold ATT refurbished for pennys on ATT site which brings new line / customers onto network making ATT more money everything equals out.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] crixley:
Nope, you have the option to unlock the nexus but it comes locked. (bootloader we are talking about remember)

LOL See this is conspiracy, first it's the carriers, then I bring up another example and now it is 3 of the manufacturers ( out of 5 larger ones? Htc locks them too, so that makes 4).

Next you'll say android is out to get you.

Occam's razor..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] sling:
oh my your lost.

Now its time for you to figure out why Nexus , Android international device versions for the most part can be unlocked and Verizon and ATT want them un-lockable sealed tight.

If you believe their losing money due brick your truly naive.

Some get credit from manufacture and some are sent for 3rd party fix to be resold as low cost referb bringing consumer to contract with no loss being had.

If you have a hard time believing venders & some manufactures make a fortune off bloatware and don't want it removed on some devices your in la la land do some research.

The best way not have bloat removed is to make boot loader UN-lockable sealed tight like V & ATT are doing.

Why that's hard for you to grasp is beyond me lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] crixley:
First, perhaps learning the difference between your and you're may help me take you more seriously. Maybe spelling at a level greater than a 4th grader as well.

So time to troubleshoot/fix the device, cost in shipping them back, none of that factors in?

I'm not saying that is the only reason, but it is definitely part of it.

The only easily unlockable ones are nexus phones.

Sony you have to sign up, and by doing so lose your warranty immediately in a traceable fashion (a database).

Htc and moto lock theirs tight themselves.

So first you're saying it is the carriers, now it's the carriers and manufacturers,

I would say that if you think that cost has absolutely nothing to do with it, you're the deluded one. Like I said, the nexus comes locked as well (and only someone privy to development would know about unlocking it).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] sling:
1st off I'm posting from my GN2 spelling etc can be difficult for some using such method.

2nd you must be threatened by facts Ive put forth if your insulting my so called 4th grade spelling.

No lets get back to this silly debate.

Shipping back faulty devices etc does cost but they make up loss in referb sell new contract sign.

Heck Im betting bloat money pays device purchase price from manufacture lol

All Nexus , HTC , Sammy etc are pretty easy to unlock except for V & ATT versions

MOTO on the other hand prefers hard lock down , some moto bloat plays a part but I feel working so close with Verizon in the early days made them go hardline.

HTC on other hand is a different story somewhat - http://www.slashgear.com/htc-blames-att-for-one-x-bootloader-lock-05226366/

for the most part they are a developer friendly......Same with Sammy and a few others.

Verizon & ATT put the hammer down making manufactures lock them tight.

Why? Ive already went over that a few times
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] crixley:
You just keep repeating the same things over and over again, therefore we are getting nowhere.

Threatened by facts? lol

I don't think you named one "fact" that wasn't simply conjecture.

You say that they are developer friendly, but the whole point of creating these dev unlock sites is so that you have to sign up in order to unlock, therefore voiding your warranty and saving them, you guessed it, money from warranty repairs/exchanges.

Your phone doesn't cause you to misspell your/you're, as can be seen in your post all over again lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] sling:
This conversation is done your insults have made a difference.

Im no longer going to post in XDA forums due to my 4th grade spelling & will pull my work SlingMods/ CleanMODS from XDA due to 2012 member crixley lack of respect.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Mad383Max:
I thought they were locking them down for security reasons to be qualified for certain government contracts.

Never mind: can't find any info backing what I thought I saw.:rolleyes:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] raduque:
Mmmm-kay.

So, why do they allow you to "Disable" all of the apps that "Make them money", such as the Navigator, Family Locator, etc.

The lock bootloader is for both reasons - to keep people from screwing up the phone and getting it replaced under warranty, AND to keep getting money from people who don't know any better.

Edit: To stay on-topic, I will sell my Galaxy S II and my Optimus G, and MAYBE my Optimus G Pro to buy a Note III - I'll keep my Note II as a backup spare.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] shaolin95:
So today I finally went and checked a mega to see if that size is too much for me.... Well i love that size... Is the biggest I would like to go so I'm for sure not getting the lame 5.7 note 3. I will hold hoping maybe there will be bigger versions of it besides the regular one.. Like mega note 3 or something lol

Sent from the Mighty Note 2!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] SlakWReX:
I say if any of these specs are true it's worth the upgrade. Bigger battery better camera and cpu and 3gb ram. That's Pretty amazing.

http://m.androidcentral.com/galaxy-note-3-reportedly-packing-568-inch-full-hd-superamoled-screen
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] gregsarg:
Saw this as well a few weeks ago...and believe your answer is one of the main reasons behind the recent bootloader push...

Government contract phones equal huge dollars to carriers for years...and keeping us out is a bonus ...

Lots of money remains in the coffers if they aren't buying back bricks from unscrupulous users that have screwed up their devices...and sent them back for new ones...

And the bloated apps do make huge dollars for carriers every month...

We are the proverbial thorn in the side of all carriers...and yet we are less than 1% of all users...

The carriers want control and security...because in their Utopian world....this would mean very few worries....as they push to become more "apple" like every day....g
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] killa83:
Is anybody more happy about getting android 4.3 than the note 3 ? XD
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Mad383Max:
And to get back on the conspiracy theory, how about this one:

Apple threatens AT&T with pulling the Iphone from there network unless they help curb Samsung's sales by any means possible(similar to what Apple did wirh Verizon by holding the iphone from them until they crippled Samsung bootloaders).:eek:

All of the above is a work of fiction. Isn't it? Isn't it????????
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] gregsarg:
LOL...pure fiction...until it happens....then it's......Not ??...a conspiracy ?.....(insert evil laugh here).....:cool:

Oh to be a fly on the wall at one these giant phone companies for a day...

Well, I guess on a brighter note (pun accidentally added)...LOL....we can always fall back to a windows phone...or is it winkia, or nokwina, or nokiows....

Any who....it'll be fun to watch....g
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] wase4711:
for all you verizon haters out there, me included, how about being able to buy out Vodaphone with CASH for 130+ BILLION!!!!

If anyone ever says that mobile phone providers don't make money in BUCKETFULLS, remind them of this..

sorry for OT rant..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] BlackBradPitt:
It was actually a split of cash and verizon stock. But either way, your right they're not struggling that's for sure.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] lazerus06:
Won't happen until mid 2014 I bet
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] diamantericos:
So note 3 just announced its a 5.7 inch screen not impressed they shouldn't have made the mega at all it was just a waste.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] dligon:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...o-with-the-samsung-galaxy-note-3-at-ifa-2013/

note sure how I feel about the leather back.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] cashyftw:
I don't like it at all. I don't know, something about it bothers me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] lazerus06:
Galaxy S4 and S3 4.3 announced for October.

Nothing for the Note 2 yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] crixley:
They want to sell more than a couple thousand...

There is a limit to what the general public wants, too big and you make it a small niche product.

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I wonder if we'll get that new spen hover menu, that looks pretty awesome
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Mad383Max:
Well the locked bootloader element was kind of covered in the unboxing though they didn't out right say it. The NASS (not sure of that is the correct term) was talked about for the security of BYOD for corporate/government agencies.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Eun-Hjzjined:
KNOX, like fort Knox....

IDK if I like the leather back either, but it's gotta be better than what we have now.

Just one question left. How will the 800 perform compared to the octa-core...?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] royalh:
Locked bootloader is definitely the deciding factor on upgrading or not...