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[Ornate TrueSmart] StrongTexan:
Hello Lokifish Marz, I'm dropping by the TrueSmart XDA forum for the first time, but you've seen me on the TrueSmart comment board under a different screen name. Thank you for the effort you have put into TrueSmart so far. I am looking forward to see your work! I am a newbie developer (just learing the basics) but I've been motivated by my expereince following the TS KS campaign. I am sure I will have many questions for you and the other great developers around here as I try to learn.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Tigerite:
Sorry for being away from this board for a while. I've pledged for an October developer edition myself - in fact I got in before they sold out the very first time around, so one of the early adopters. Although I haven't done any kernel/ROM work on Android before, I have on Maemo with the N900 - mostly porting the BFS kernel but also tweaking init.d and so forth. It was a couple of years ago now but I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty when I get my TrueSmart and am more than willing to help ClearD and Loki if I can.
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
OMATE

Haha...we naild campaign ;)

You'll have to build over 20 clock faces :P
[Ornate TrueSmart] mcteague:
A face for each day, that'll be nice
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
Anybody care to enlighten me- I paid for an early Developer option, 1GbRAM, but have upped my pledge to $249 to as the 8Gb on board-how do we go about ensuring that we actually get the 8Gb? Also, on a side note, are there any real benefits to be had from sticking with the early Dev. option if we were in for one of the first 2000 numbered editions, in practical terms- apart from gaining 4Gb on board memory ( which will surely be a boost) what are we sacrificing, of anything?

Thanks.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Did you change your reward option accordingly? Even if not I'm sure you can tell them in the survey that will be sent out. The one major downside is they'll ship your watch in December, not October. Oh, and no limited edition serial number.

Considering the global standard is GSM, yes, it is a shame. Not many smaller companies want to jump through the hoops to make a CDMA phone/watchphone. Hell even massive ones don't. Look at Google. They tried once, and the phone got delayed by two months and updates out of their control. Meanwhile the GSM version shipped on time with the ability to receive push updates from Google. Not surprisingly, they've skipped CDMA ever since.
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
I'm guessing that 8Gb on board will be more beneficial than the Limited Edition status- do you agree?

I'm sure that options can be changed in the survey, as you say.

Thanks.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Well considering my Xperia Play has only like 500mb of onboard space and I have countless apps/games/music on it thanks to the magical wonder of SD cards..yeah I'd rather get my watch 2 months earlier.

If you don't care about the wait then go for it, it's worth the extra money. It's just not really necessary.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
You'd be smarter to ask for pre-installed micro sd. They may bump you to the December model and you'll lose your serial number and such but then you'll have to open it to install an sd. All over 4gb of space that isn't likely to be filled up.
[Ornate TrueSmart] aeron16:
My programming is too rusty but I can definitely help with any testing!
[Ornate TrueSmart] kdenilson:
Does Omate hv gesture wake up screen juz like the Motoactv?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Yes.
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
I skipped 4Gb to 8Gb upgrade.

I'll put sdcard in it if I need more space.

I want my watch as soon as possible and waiting for two months only because of that isn't good for me.

I only change and paid extra 20$ to double my RAM.

That's only I need ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
The 4gb 512mb one seemed pointless IMO it needs to be at least 8gb and 1gb ram, hopefully if they make a new model it will have 2gb ram and at least 16gb storage but for now this one is awesome. Can not wait for it to arrive.
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
One thing to confirm...

Upgrade from 512mb to 1Gb won't postpone October delivery, right?
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
From what I read it will be shipped later if you get the upgrade
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
You read incorrectly. If you upgrade the onboard storage it will be delayed. Upgrading the ram will do nothing.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Just saw the list of all their included clockfaces. Quite frankly, I'm disappointed. They included a lot of simple gimmicky ones that will take no time to produce.

I'll include my own in the CleardDroid Rom for the TrueSmart once I get some images to work with, that's for sure. :)

Edit: oh, and the list is here:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/10486...860063598575161591/albums/5925031167882407121

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[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Gee, thanks. :p
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
I'm "disappointed" with other thing.

We were receiving bunch of emails and information while kickstarter campaign was on...

Now everything has stopped, I get it, it has been founded but still....

We are the reason Omate is 1 million dollar baby and we should get some information.

Record a new video - show us what did we paid and what can we expect.

I'm so proud because I'm part of this, today, when I wanna show my buddies what did they missed I have only lousy 30 second clips and video presentation from August?!
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Woah Nelly, slow your roll.
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
Grownups are talking mate, so please chill.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I'm in my 30s. Maybe you should exhibit some patience instead of acting like a child.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Dude, they've been campaigning for a month, can you blame them for taking a day or two off for a bit of rest? After Saturday off, they're now back on kickstarter, they've sent the survey forms, and they said they're gonna do more updates in the coming days to show the progress. Chill out, it's only been two days. Go to kickstarter and read their comments or fill out your survey or something.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
Personally I'm quite glad of some email peace instead of constant updates. I'd rather they all got busy sorting it out instead of spending time outputting updates for the sake of it. Yes it would be nice to know what is happening but I just want them to get things off the ground and into production!
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
How can I get updates, I present ordered thought their site due to not having the option to pay with pay pal on kick starter
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
Guys...I just asked for a one video...relax.

I put quotes on "disappointed"...

If I dislike Omate I wouldn't be in a first few hundred developer supporters.

I asked for a video because I like product, not to "judge" someone.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
What's omate's relationship with Ingress?

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[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Speak for yourself bud :) Some of us here are coming off dinosaur smart watches like MetaWatch and I'm drooling looking at half of those watchfaces :D

Also want to add in general, I have seen every KS/IGG campaign as well as other "big boys" smartwatch announcements, and Omate deserves one big round of applause. Clearly, the Omate as a company went into this well prepared with every intention to manufacture this product, to bring it into reality. I'm thinking that perhaps KS wasn't even necessary to get upfront funding but rather to generate more publicity? They clearly laid out their design plan, production plan, they worked very hard keeping everybody up to date, answering KS questions, and even participating in a number of forum and blog discussions. Anywhere Omate TrueSmart was mentioned, I have seen someone from the company posting a comment or a reply. I know everybody is inpatient and want to get their hands on the watch. BUT just think about it, some of the Pebble backers waited over a year to get their watch, and NO OTHER smartwatch campaign delivered on the day they promised with people still waiting for many months to come, not too mention some of those will deliver finished hardware with half-baked software.

So consider yourself being extremely lucky that by the end of next month you will get your TrueSmart ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] arnzzz:
I think we are all really lucky to have been backers of a campaign which was so well run.

These guys are so organised. How many other KS campaigns have offered such huge stretch goals knowing full well they still have to deliver by the end of the year!

And like others have said, anytime omate/truesmart were mentioned on forums they appeared to answer questions.

Some people are really impatient and it is not called for.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
You guys realize that the Omate Team is smaller than most of the dev teams here on xda right? Some of us are surprised they held it together as well as they did. They already have "getting ready to ship" type images up in the latest updates. With it being beta firmware and all the backend work they are doing, I can understand them not flooding us with updates.

ClearD The watch thing is a little odd. If the contest had been done by type I think it would have gone better. Either way, there is still no word on the app contest and knowing if my app was even in the running would save a lot of time for those wanting to make custom faces.

It is my understanding that they have no ties to Niantic. The Ingress demo was a modded apk which Niatic quickly shut down. I hope Niatic sees the TS as an opportunity and reworks the app.

So now we are waiting for out dev editions who here is deving on it and in what area (kernel, firmware, apps)? This will help me get an idea of what areas I need to focus on after I release a base build.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
We're actually on the same page, despite the different wording between our posts. I didn't say anything about not being proud of Omate, it's going to be a great product. And like you just said, I agree that half of them are great. What I'm saying is that after the ones they picked for the competition, they seem to have added lots of simple "filler" faces as the others after the ones they had to provide from the comp. There (to me) were lots and lots of better choices in their campaign than the ones they're adding. Granted, they would have taken longer to make, but they would look better and more professional. I hope that makes it clearer.

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[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I'm in graphic design and looking to begin app development again to make some medical apps.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Why CM should do on the "To Do" list early on. The practical and fun applications for this are too many to mention.

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[Ornate TrueSmart] paperWastage:
well, AFAIK, ram/rom space usage is somewhat a function of the graphics size (and kernel, other stuff)... since the watch is low resolution, hopefully 1GB + 4GB is enough (since that's the version I got :D), plus up to 32GB expansion (maybe 64GB?)

I've been hunting down reference documents for the mediatek SoC... quite a lot of info out even though it's relatively new... maybe I'll help out on kernel development if I have time

I also got this sony MW1 smart wireless headset.... keeping my MP3s on that bluetooth (11 hours mp3 playing), using that headset for phone calls, watch screen for data/email/facebook, should be enough
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Got it, as "clearer" as ClearD :good: I hope you realize I wasn't being critical about your reply, and my general comment was directed to a few other whiners ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Tilton53:
I believe the ingress team helped do some testing on the device.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The Ingress demo they showed was using a modified apk from a backer that was obsoleted by Niantic only days later.
[Ornate TrueSmart] thesparky007:
The omate is too impractical to be a regular use smartwatch...
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Please explain.
[Ornate TrueSmart] thesparky007:
You cant put an OS like android into such a tiny display and have it be practical... simple things like text entry can turn out be a giant hassle.

If you have to plug in your watch to charge every night like you charge your phone, there is no real advantage to having it. Just because you can get a smartwatch with android and you can root doesnt mean it will be of any practical use.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
I use my motoactv every day and charge it about once a week. Same screen size and everything I believe. It's perfect for me. Why would it be impractical? Flit keyboard (and several others, including the stock one) work just fine on it. :)

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[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
So what you are saying is all smartwatches that can't provide days of constant use (think +48hrs talk time) are impractical. That describes almost every smartwatch ever made.

As far as Android on a small display, Omate is not the only one. So why are you specifically calling out Omate on this?

As far as practical, have your hands full and try to answer your phone. You can't unless you set up auto answer. Also, your phone dies but your Omate still has a decent charge. You can still place and receive phone calls. If these things are impractical then so are most phones.
[Ornate TrueSmart] thesparky007:
If you want to call it a "watch" then yes, getting more than a days worth of usage is necessary. And any smartwatch with full android is impractical, not just the omate.

And for answering phone calls through the watch, unless you hold your watch close to your mouth, it wont be a realistic alternative to putting the phone on speaker...

I didnt mean to come here to demean the omate watch but I just wanted to give my 2 cents that this isnt quite the one people may be looking for
[Ornate TrueSmart] paperWastage:
so what is a "regular use" smartwatch for you?

3.5mm plug for wired headset for phone calls, 2 day battery, readable under sun?

-> might be preliminary results, but I think those battery statistics are good enough for me

Omate is on kickstarter, product isn't out yet... I recognize the "beta" risks of a 1st-gen smartwatch, and that's why this ISN'T going to replace my smartphone, but going to a temporary substitute for specific use cases (eg: snowboarding, cumbersome to pull out phone on chairlift to check for missed-calls. watch is better, especially if it's water/snow-resistent/proof )
[Ornate TrueSmart] thesparky007:
The best smartwatch for me is one that is a companion to my smartphone, not a replacement. I pledged for a Kreyos Meteor because I think it offers what Im looking for in a smartwatch and more in a much more practical package.

But to each their own!
[Ornate TrueSmart] cdrom1028:
uh dude, the Omate can be a companion as well, do some reading before you start calling things out. For the record I have a pebble and it lacks. That's why I didn't get the Kreyos. I want a device that has a complete echo system. If I want to go for a run or take a long bike ride, I really don't want to lug a GS4 or a Note II around.. I just want endomondo and some tunes plus my Bluetooth heart monitor. The rest of the time I can use the Omate as a companion device to save battery, and have the option of countless apps, services, and clock faces that only android can provide. So if you don't like the watch go tell someone else I paid for 2 after doing a lot of research, spending money trying devices and being positive about all the cool new options technology gives us. Go find a Kreyos thread to talk about your device. I'm sure no one from here will bother with you there!
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
The kreyos meteor? Lol someone didn't do their research.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Really? You couldn't think of that before you first decided to make a post in this thread? Of course we've done our research, who do you take us for?

Damn, can't believe there's fanboys within smartwatches now.
[Ornate TrueSmart] thesparky007:
wow, hypocrisy at its best!

This is a discussion thread in a public forum and so I am entitled to my opinion just like you are. I didnt come here to ridicule anyone or the product but share my 2 cents so stfu and go finish your homework kid.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
You know looking at the specs for the kreyos they are very underwhelming. Small screen, can only be used as a companion.... Yea it's miles ahead of the TS...

Looks great. Did not speak to me at all outside of "did pebble better".
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Now that you cleared it up. The Omate is not practical for you and what you want. That does not mean it's not practical for anybody else. I have a baby coming soon. Having to pull out my phone to answer is not going to be possible on numerous occasions. A standalone device reduces the number of devices I need to carry, can answer with a flick of the wrist and is also waterproof is extremely practical.

But along you train of thought I find glorified remotes, the typical smartwatch, impractical as it increases the number of devices, chargers and failure points. I also find any phone released after 2011 impractical as I'm running an Android/Ubuntu hybrid that serves as both a phone and a PC.

As far as the Kreyos goes, as a companion device it is nice however the battery life of 7 days is for doing nothing but sitting there. The Omate can do that for 16 days. In reference to the text input comment that you made, the Omate supports voice commands just like the Kreyos does. From a side by side the Kreyos is smaller and displays the Time at all times. The Omate is thicker but can function as a smartphone. They both have their advantages and disadvantages and one my suit a person better than the other. To say that either is completely impractical is a personal feeling and not a logical judgement.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Not to mention that the Omate supports advanced voice input engines such as Dragon.
[Ornate TrueSmart] thesparky007:
I guess I should have made it more obvious that my first post was an opinion. But you're right, each has their own pros and cons and the omate seems like a better choice for you. I'm taking a gamble with the kreyos and for the price I paid it's well worth it. But with the info presented and available, the omate didn't seem as compelling to me versus the kreyos. But if I'm wrong and it turns out as you believe it will then hell, I'll sell my kreyos and jump right to the omate.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Don't be mistaken, for its price the meteor seems miles ahead of pebble.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Until we both have our respective devices and can compare notes, I vote we're both wrong/right. I can say that I suggested very early on that Omate keep an eye on color E-Ink and Mirasol display for v2.
[Ornate TrueSmart] thesparky007:
Color e ink is still not quite ready for prime time and I think it's even tougher for such small size. But I bet it would definitely make the battery life better.
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
Err---pardon me?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
It's all good. Smartwatch means so many different things to folks and for what his usage would be I agree. For a simple companion device the Omate is overkill and the Pebble may be to limiting.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mcteague:
My situation is I deliver shopping for Tesco, so I'm either driving or outside my van delivering to a customer. We have to carry a disposable camera incase of accidents, we need phones obviously incase or customer service needs us or we're standing outside a customers door knocking but there's no answer so we need to ring them. All those times I've been verbally abused out on the road by arrogant drivers, another reason for a camera at hand. Sometimes im on the 17th floor and can't be carrying trays of shopping, a disposable camera and a company phone. The Truesmart makes sense to me.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
I second that
[Ornate TrueSmart] BBowermaster:
What is so wrong with the Kreyos? The Kreyos and Omate are about the same thickness (Omate being a little thicker), its just for me, between the thickness and overall size on the wrist, the Omate is a bit too large for me. But I'm not 100% sold on the Kreyos either. Figured I'd see how it is when it comes and if I don't like it, sell it and move on to the next potential "Companion Watch"
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
My point was more that they are two totally different watches that serve two vastly different purposes.
[Ornate TrueSmart] BBowermaster:
Ahh, got it. I thought the whole "didn't do their research" meant there was something wrong with it.

My wife and I were actually discussing the Omate and were wondering. What are most people doing; using it as their primary phone, swapping their sim card between the phone and the Omate as needed to fit the purpose, or getting the Omate its own sim card/phone line?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Backup phone and device for when I can't use my phone. It's much less conspicuous and easily carried places I can't normally take my phone (like exercising, etc). I'll likely be getting a barebones SIM for it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Oh, I'm glad nobody chiming in with their opinions about HOT smartwatch or Agent swartwatch lol!!! :p

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I'm afraid using it as a primary full time phone will not be practical unless you use one of these 1500 mAh wrist chargers (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Wrist...S_Cell_Phone_PDA_Chargers&hash=item2ec7ee1679) next to it ;)

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Congratulations!!!!!!! As someone with two little ones at home, any electronic gear which is waterproof around kids is a huge plus!!! Btw, once you get one of those IP wireless baby monitors, you can view the baby display straight from your wrist.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Now THAT is a great idea. Even better there's an app that does just that on the play store. Install it on your watch and your phone, and your phone becomes the video transmitter and your watch the receiver. I think it was only like $3 too.

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[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Or vise versa ;)

For IP cam, I was thinking something like this cheap cam: http://www.tvc-mall.com/details/Wir...ecord-for-iPhone-Android-Smartphones-PCC-227/ or more advance like this one: http://www.tvc-mall.com/details/New-Wireless-WiFi-Pan-Tilt-IP-Camera-Audio-Night-Vision-PCC-219/

I'm telling you, while people refer to other smartwatches as "**** Tracy" watches, Omate smartwatch is more like "James Bond" watch ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] gerhardo:
Any chance to get CyanogenMod?

It does not look too bright for other MediaTek SOC phones, from what I have seen. MediaTek is not known for embracing open source...
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
My solution. Old Android phones with remote cam apps and a charger.

I'm still working on it. Source has been an issue where MediaTek is concerned. The problem is that Omate is the OEM so that weight falls on their shoulders. If they don't release source then is a GPL issue and will cost them dev community support. I'm not asking that they maintain a git repo but a tar of the source would be nice. It's still to early to tell though.
[Ornate TrueSmart] paperWastage:
it'll be a temporary replacement for specific use cases (eg snowboarding, swimming)... It might be a daily driver if battery life is enough to last 1 day (I have a bluetooth device for MP3, don't really play that many games/check internet as often)

If you are outside the USA, some carriers have multi-sim support (i.e. 2 sim cards but only one phone number and one rate plan)

(eg t-mobile germany)

http://www.t-mobile.de/multisim/0,21479,23885-_,00.html