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[Nexus 10 General] momulah:
Gotta chime in on this discussion. I was an avid phone attic. Every year I was selling and upgrading to the newest flagship that would come out. For Christmas my wife got me my Nexus (actually launch day) and I have not purchased a phone since. This tablet has filled the void I guess I was missing that had me excited to shell out money for new unlocked phones. To this day this tablet just works. It does not disappoint at all with the 4.3 update. Games run smooth, apps work, browsing is quick, and development is pretty nice. Ubuntu Touch which is a whole new experience will be released soon and so on and so on. This tablet is a keeper until something that really changes the game comes along. Reading comics is just amazing also...not many tablets comes close at the moment....peace!!
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
I'm really happy with the original's design, build quality, screen resolution, battery-charge life, WiFi performance, HDMI-out port and even the simple, integrated nature of Google's book cover. And, with the right apps, you can overcome the absence of an external SD card and the read-only limitations of the USB port.

So, no, not selling my v1. While I'm sure we won't be growing old together, I plan on keeping it regardless of the features of the next version. I'll be ready for an upgrade by the time the battery wears out.

The processor throughput speed we've already got onboard is impressive. Major cpu/gpu performance boosts that come along will definitely be attractive, but I'm not using the N10 for any graphics-intensive applications, like gaming, that would benefit that much.

If in a few months I have a pile of cash to spend on a gaming platform, it wouldn't be for a new tablet... it'd probably go toward one of the next-gen consoles about to come out.

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BTW, congrats, vadergr, on your new N10!
[Nexus 10 General] 3DSammy:
I will be skipping a generation of Nexus 10 tablets as the v1 meetings my current needs, but as important I want a 64 bit processor and the likely 4GB memory that goes along with it. The v2 Nexus 10 will not be different enough to justify a purchase.
[Nexus 10 General] CWalkop:
I need to correct this.

Case in point? The 2013 Nexus 7. It is the most accurately calibrated, brightest, and one of the highest PPI displays out of every single Android tablet out there (I think it is the highest, period, actually). It is the best display found on an Android device to this date. See AnAndTech's review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7231/the-nexus-7-2013-review

Hence...I'm pretty sure ASUS can handle a high-PPI display for the Nexus 10. They blew everyone, even Apple out of the water with the new Nexus 7. Which has been absolutely unheard of.

Regarding the GPS "fiasco", that was only present on the Prime. It was non-existent on the TF101, TF300, and TF700. I owned both the 101 and the 300, they worked great save for the slow I/O (which is why I sold my TF300).
[Nexus 10 General] Geodude074:
Asus has one product out with the same resolution as the Nexus 10 – their new Asus Transformer Infinity, a 10 inch tablet with a 2560x1600 resolution. Once they come out with the new Nexus 10, they will have made as many 1600p displays as Samsung.

You seem to keep attempting to discredit Asus from being unable or lacking the experience to manufacturer high-res displays, when really they are just as capable and have as much experience as Samsung.

Poor comparison, using the Nexus 7 2013 as a placement for the Nexus 10 2013. The Nexus 7 2013 has a Snapdragon S4 Pro-ish processor which is last year’s tech, and yet is still faster than the original Nexus 10. The new Nexus 10 will once again most likely sport a Tegra 4 or a Snapdragon 800, both of which score over 30,000 on Antutu.

Simple math will tell you that 30,000 is a 50% improvement over 20,000, and it’s easy to see why. The Exynos Dual has two A15 processors – the Tegra 4 has four A15 processors, and the SD 800 has four Krait 400 processors.

And you can live in your fantasy world all you want where the Nexus 10 meets all of your needs. But in my realistic world, even simple web browsing in Chrome shows the Exynos Dual’s shortcomings – I can’t even have Facebook open in desktop mode without significant stuttering and slowdown. Open up several tabs in Chrome in desktop mode and you are asking for trouble.

So go ahead and run the limited software that is suited by your hardware needs. I’m going to buy the hardware that will suit my software needs.
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
Whatever the product we get in this next round, its design will be dictated by Google enough for us to know that there'll be no SD card slot nor any stock ability to fully mount a USB drive.

If it were being made by the same OEM, we'd have fewer questions now about the future comparisons of reliability, screen quality and the overall build between the two versions. But we'd still be wondering about the real-world impact of using the better processors that will undoubtedly be at the core of this thing. I bet website screen-print & refresh rates -- something I'm interested in -- will be snappier!

How much it improves the browsing experience we'll get to find out. (I'd allot a pittance of my inheritance to that improvement... if I had any! Someone else will put some of their paycheck toward that. 'Experience,' after all, is subjective.)

Then we'll make our individual choices as each of us, IMO, weighs four factors:

1. the time & effort it takes to set up a new device

2. money

3. pride

4. the nextgen's new benefits (minus, if any, its brand new flaws) compared to our individual needs

I've got plenty of time and it's a lot of fun to play with something new, so check off #1 as a plus for me... but not a big enough plus to overcome the fact that I don't have plenty of #2!

I've found life to be persistently humbling, so it's always a treat to get me some #3, but then, being proud to be someone, who's doing at least something well, usually ends up being more satisfying than being proud to have something, even if I think it's way cooler than yours.

The good thing about #4 is that we'll know in a few months just how much the N10 v2 has to offer. Until then, if we're interested for whatever reason, we privately wait or publicly speculate, the latter being the interesting stuff threads like this are made of.

Meanwhile, though factor #2 has preempted my decision, I'm liking DaaT's take on the OP's question:
[Nexus 10 General] SeaFractor:
I won't disagree with you on how beautiful the display is. But there is ONE ISSUE that is quite clear.....

ASUS "DOES NOT" manufacturer LCD displays.

They assemble from outside parts suppliers. The "only two" primary tablet or PC makers that I know of that ship their own self manufactured displays are LG and Samsung. Even the big Apple doesn't build their own displays.

So did ASUS knock it out of the park? Or were they fortunate that a parts provider had the display necessary to pull off the 2013 Nexus 7 beautifully?

I've gone through the iFixit tear down, but it doesn't state who the provider is... Wouldn't that be ironic if it were... Samsung? Not that I'm claiming that it is.

Also, check out what GeoDude074 is saying. Apparently the display is fantastic but the SoC is not up to snuff. I think it is and is why I was saying it's pretty cool that the old 2012 N10 is not completely left out of the ball park.

My math shows 67% improvement.... Or conversely 1.5x improvement. That's not bad for a new generation processor.

But, fantasy world eh? I tend to visit one in Orlando frequently. If your N10 was sooo bad, why'd you purchase one in the first place?

Most users in this thread already own an N10. I think that they'll be able to determine if their tab sucks so much. Guess that I'm able to play TDKR, Asphalt 8 and many of the other new games means I'm in denial for how bad it truly is.

What we need is like a tablet that is hella thick and can be modded by users. Liquid cooling for the win!!! Check out the florescent lighting accents on the see through windows...

Nah. I'll just stick with what I got for now. Then purchase the 2015 edition.
[Nexus 10 General] CWalkop:
Uhm...we were given USB OTG drivers in the latest Android update, stock, IIRC. So we CAN mount USB devices!
[Nexus 10 General] SeaFractor:
Totally spot on. I do this using the Nexus Media Importer, a fantastic application.

But even with OTG cables, unless one roots and uses custom code, the stock ROM from Google will not allow you to use that space for:

Location for installed apps

Content location for any of the Play Applications.

But you'll find that even the microSD slots are extremely curtailed in their functionality. My Galaxy S3 with 32GB microSD card is not really able to utilize that space as well as I'd like.

Sure I can store HD movies from the Samsung HUB on there, but still the Google Play apps are limited to the primary storage.

So the only real benefit of the microSD is that it's like a hidden and protected USB OTG Flash Drive.

I personally rate higher applications that are designed to allow you to save your content to the microSD or OTG USB locations. Hope more continue this trend.
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
I probably should have underlined the words 'stock' and 'fully' when talking about flash memory in the beginning of my last post. Unrooted, and without the user tracking down and buying some excellent software that's available, our native N10 & N7 tabs don't really like to write to USB-hosted memory devices or to stream USB-accessed media files.

Many thanks to Homesoft for Nexus Media Importer and to Ferenc Hechler for USB Stick Plugin-TC (which requires Total Commander) for giving us USB write capability, especially useful when you're outside WiFi range.

USB Stick Plugin supports FAT-formatted drives (which usually means a 16Gb limit) and recently added the ability to write files larger than 2Gb... and it has NTFS-read support in Beta.

Nexus Media Importer, which has its own file manager and now sports a TC plugin, supports writing files up to 4Gb to FAT/FAT32 formats (as well as reading FAT/FAT32 and NTFS). Homesoft's Dustin provides fast & helpful email support. Since our correspondence about file-allocation tables this last July -- probably accompanied by many other user inquiries -- Homesoft has continued to show responsiveness to customer concerns and to increase NMI's flexibility.

I expect to see one or both of these development houses extend their support to exFAT someday so we can write to external memory that's 64Gb and larger.

In the many threads out here about the write limitations of our USB port, some have speculated that these hurdles are due to Google's interest in having us use their cloud. At least we have a port!

(Yes, it's great having OTG/USB hosting. Though not related to the external memory issue I raised, my favorite use of this port right now is plugging in my Blue Yeti with a powered USB hub, then firing up USB Audio Recorder Pro and the Audacity-like Audio Evolution Mobile, thanks to eXtream Software Development. Nice!)
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
Were you able to recall anything more, CWalkup, since posting about the new USB drivers for Nexus tablets in Android 4.3? And did you mean "USB OTG drivers?“ I hadn't heard before about what you've reported here, but it's my understanding that, while most external standalone portable non-hotspot-generating memory devices do communicte with the N10 through the USB/OTG connection, it isn't a USB/OTG driver that we're needing.

I know about the USB drivers in 4.3 for non-Nexus devices and about issue #58277, which has caused a stink with a lot of Nexus owners... but that's a bug where 4.3 isn't exposing USB Mass Storage devices through USB Host. In some cases this bug has been fixed with multiple reboots or a factory reset (ugh!) and sometimes by changing the global settings, including making sure Language is set to English (US) everytime you reboot no matter where you live or what you speak... some who suffer this glitch report that none of these methods have worked.

USB Host does not function properly on some Nexus devices in Android 4.3

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But I know you were referring to forward progress and not to this temporary setback brought about by 4.3. Let us know if what you were thinking about comes to mind. Remember that, to seemlessly store and retrieve data via USB, we're not looking for an OTG hardware driver. Afterall, as you probably know, we already have the Open Accessory protocol and USB Host APIs we need... if we didn't, Nexus Media Importer couldn't work. The real step forward would be if Google gave us a

native

mass-storage file-system driver -- one that would open the read/write door, not only for file managers but for any app wanting to make full use of cloudless, LAN-less external media, as SeaFractor and many others of us are asking for.
[Nexus 10 General] CrocadileUT78:
Not selling this thing, I love my Nexus 10. I have no doubt the Asus version will be nice, but the current Samsung version does everything I want. The screen resolution and speakers on this model are pretty kick ass too.
[Nexus 10 General] Sensamic:
I may sell this and buy the LG G Pad 8.3. I think it's the perfect screen size for me. It's perfect for web browsing, gaming, video playback and PDF reading.

Nexus 10 is too big.
[Nexus 10 General] AleT:
I would definitely keep my first gen N10 if it wasn't for the random reboots/lockups.
[Nexus 10 General] altimax98:
Agreed. Since the 4.3 update the lockups are gone and its smooth sailing. Initially annoyed with the light bleeding I've grown accustomed to the little bit I have. Otherwise its the best device I have owned. Use it every single day and loving it.
[Nexus 10 General] styckx:
That was fixed in 4.3.. If you're having reboots and lockups after upgrading to 4.3 you've got some other problem going on because the reboot/lockup problem is no longer a problem.
[Nexus 10 General] AleT:
Whatever the cause, my N10 is not stable and that's a problem for me.

I must say that so far I have been incredibly impressed with Google play customer services. They are being incredibly helpful, if a factory reset and dalvik cache wipe doesn't sort it they're going to swap it out for a new one. Having read some of the accounts on this site of dealing with them, I was not expecting it to be such a smooth and pleasant experience!
[Nexus 10 General] Warren_Orange:
Dump Chrome browser.
[Nexus 10 General] AleT:
If the nexus 10 can't handle Chrome, isn't that a good reason for ditching it?

I have a Motorola Xoom, Galaxy nexus, nexus 4, nexus 7, nexus 7 2013, note 10.1 and a nexus 10. All of them apart from the N10 can happily run Chrome and have uptimes of months.
[Nexus 10 General] Warren_Orange:
On the contrary I would say its a good reason for ditching Chrome.

Install AOSP browser and don't use Chrome. See what you think.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2385933
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
Hey, I think it's cool, AleT, if you'd rather have Chrome than your N10, especially since you've got some other great tablets that run it without a glitch.

I've been thinking -- since I find Chrome to be missing key features and rather slow compared to its competitors anyway -- about getting a second Nexus 10, used, for some tinkering.

PM me with a price?
[Nexus 10 General] AleT:
Thanks for the buying interest, but seeing as it's only a couple of months old, If I can't get this tablet running properly, it's going back for a full refund!

I am not wedded to Chrome, but no user mode program should be able to kill the OS.

Presumably Chrome is tickling some bug in the OS, but the solution cannot be to stop using Chrome. Who's to say that there aren't others apps which behave similarly? What about stuff that hasn't been released yet? What if an update to an existing app which I can't do without starts causing problems?
[Nexus 10 General] deathshead:
Already sold my Nexus 10 on Swappa.com <-- AWESOME btw! sold under 24hrs.

The family loved the tablet! the speakers were ok.

The screen was beautiful, with PA rom and good old tablet UI it was nice and fast.

I/O was super fast.

Heres the problems I had with its.

The Battery life SUCKS!!!!

My old ipad 2 gets 4 times the battery life consistently,

I dont do anything crazy with these units, just stream some music,

some youtube, social media. etc.

The Web browsing experience sucks too.

no matter what kernel or rom scrolling and redraws always were bad.

Chrome? <----PFFFFFFFT! Forget it!

Chrome and a Nexus 10 are like oil and vinegar. they just dont mix well,

Chrome scrolling was rubbish, it crashed, and even crashed the whole tablet.

The new ver of Maxthon, (best) then Opera, Firefox, boat would always run much better than chrome.

It is a great tablet, though the os was super quick, etc.

Another thing that kills me about the Nexus devices,

NO ACCESSORIES!!! All I wanted was an official magnetic pogo charger and a DOCK!

the charging port on the N10 is in a retarded spot, and Samsung thought they would be funny by putting the usb port upside down from every other manufacturer in the word, the offical charger cable even has the lil icon printed on it faces the Back of the device.. Silly,,

We will be looking into the new Samsung 10.1 2014 edition Or the Nexus 10 2.

So we are just in a holding pattern until those 2 are out.

the new 2014 10.1 tab looks amazing, but reports are saying that its slow, hopefully due to not quite baked release software.

Multiwindow on a 10" tablet is a must have! browsing or twitter-facebook with youtube running in another window, etc..

Kitkat will be interesting to see Im hoping for a HUGE jump instead of more rehashed Ice cream sandwich base over and over.,

So sick of that ics-jb blue too. blech!

4 more days until an announcement on N10-2!
[Nexus 10 General] SFG:
Sad part is that the next version is being made by Asus.
[Nexus 10 General] mustbepbs:
Hopefully ASUS puts a good GPU in because that was the Achilles heel of the old one. It caused so many slow and lag issues it wasn't even funny. My wife's N7 2013 ran circles around it.
[Nexus 10 General] gc84245:
That's strange, I've had excellent battery life on my Nexus 10, typically 8-9 hours screen on time and many days of standby. Much better than my iPad 2 which feels like I'm always charging it, although to be fair my iPad 2 is older and battery life is probably not what it once was.
[Nexus 10 General] hughlle:
Likewise. So either he has a defective tablet and didn't have sense enough to realize this, or his ipad 2 somehow consistently gets around 32 hours of video playback. I'll buy an ipad 2 if that's the case. Wait. It's not the case.
[Nexus 10 General] styckx:
Same.. 7-8hrs of SOT over the course 7-8 days or so and been that way since I bought the thing in the beginning of summer. Usage/SOT varies of course depending on what I'm doing with it.. But on average it's that.. Every time I see someone say the battery life on the N10 sucks I just shake my head..
[Nexus 10 General] abejoker:
Well, I got a new one from Samsung finaly, and I'll just sell it. I don't want Nexus 10 or the 10v2...I posted it at Swappa and just wait for a better tablet or maybe buy a Nexus 7.
[Nexus 10 General] Sensamic:
I sold my Nexus 10 and bought the new 7. Much much better tablet overall. Games play perfectly with the 320 GPU. I have now 1,3GB RAM compared to 400MB on the 10, and I do notice much better performance overall. The screen is brighter and the materials are better too.

It has no reboots. It's obvious Google put more care into this one than the 10.
[Nexus 10 General] anddi:
I have thought about doing this too. But then again, I think I need a 10" tablet too, probably gonna have to get both at some point.. I really like my Nexus 10, but I think I will get the Asus made 2014 version when it comes out.
[Nexus 10 General] maconsultant:
Already did over a month ago.. Got most of my cash back as well.. Nexus 10 v2 here I come.

Sent from another unlocked T-Mobile iPhone 5, Because they haven't released the Nexus 5..!
[Nexus 10 General] chirpa12:
I still love mine and use it every day. I won't be selling mine.
[Nexus 10 General] JasW:
The performance of the current generation is more than adequate to suit my needs. The only improvements I would want are some/any kind of color control and no light bleed. But those things aren't enough to make me want to go through selling it and buying the next gen.
[Nexus 10 General] JosephRaphael:
If the next one worth buying, Sure why not... I can imagine a 4K display
[Nexus 10 General] maconsultant:
Already sold it a while ago.. Seemed under powered.. Looking forward to the 2nd gen.

Sent from another unlocked T-Mobile iPhone 5, Because they haven't delivered my Nexus 5..!
[Nexus 10 General] der187:
Still happy with my N10. Won't buy the next gen... :)
[Nexus 10 General] dibblebill:
Will keep mine, but may look into the new Note 10 come tax refund season, or a year from now. I really want that Wacom digitizer.
[Nexus 10 General] gabegom:
Well...I had put my Nexus 10 on craigslist to see if I could sell it in time for the new Nexus 10 release, and I am so glad that it did not sell. I still find it weird that despite all of the leaks, Google didn't even have a small update to the current Nexus 10.:crying:
[Nexus 10 General] Crazysah:
How much were you trying to sell yours for? I want to know as I plan to sell mine ASAP.
[Nexus 10 General] SeaFractor:
Your wish is granted!!! A small update for the Nexus 10 has been released today!!

KitKat 4.4 for the N10 that is.

Now that the release has happened, perhaps we can get back to using the N10's we have instead of wondering when the non-existent N10 2 will be released.
[Nexus 10 General] Bru87tr:
Not sure why people feel the need to upgrade already. What is it about the N10 that it can't do what you want ?

I don't have any issues with how it performs with games or anything I do.

I did notice over time it slowed down, as soon as I got rid of all the crap apps speed came back. I just stay away from useless apps I don't really use that have outrageous permissions.
[Nexus 10 General] midnite_blue:
taking control

SLUGGISHNESS DEFENSE

I think I know what you're talking about, Bru87tr... ''free'' apps that start themselves on bootup so that they can do their spy stuff in the background. When I get a new app, I always check a couple of things. If Settings / Apps / RUNNING shows that the app self-starts (when I don't want it to), it's history. If an app passes that first test, Norton Spot ad detector (Beta) will tell you if the app is up to no good.

KS Mobile's Clean Master (cleaner) has a cool widget that displays on your homepage telling you how much RAM is being used. I refer to it often... and several times a day free up tons of RAM with a single button press. You can also open Clean Master (cleaner) to selectively clear RAM of cached data (and delete the residual files left behind by apps you've uninstalled).

These tools speed things up quite a bit... and can help prevent crashes.

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UNWANTED PERMISSIONS

4.3 included a great new feature to view and control the permissions that apps use... but for some reason you need software to access it. Offshore's App Opps Starter opens it for you. You can see if an app has ever used any of the permissions you gave it and, if so, the time of the last usage. Here's the part I really like: you can toggle off any of the permissions you don't want an individual app to have. Nice. This has allowed me to keep some apps I otherwise would have dumped, without disabling the permissions I want them to have.

You may have already known about each of these approaches to increasing your control over your tablet, but I thought I'd mention them in case they helped someone out.
[Nexus 10 General] maxal:
This might be a bit cheeky but if any brits are thinking of selling their Nexus 10 to buy the new Nexus 10 pm me if you wan't to sell it with out been hit with selling fees for selling on Amazon or Ebay.