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[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Omate and SimValley are not the same company (as far as we know). The AW-414 is a final product by SimValley. Omate simply based the TrueSmart on the SimValley AW-414. This is a very common practice in multiple industries from automobiles to PC's. Omate using a different display tech is well within what's typical.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
I am pretty sure It is omates prototype that would explain why its software feels unfinished and its default launcher and some other pre loaded apps don't work proplerly and some of the firmware is buggy too.
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Somehow, I'm not surprised. QA is not an easy thing.

Le Pen was bragging before about how the SimValley uses OUI 1.0 and how the TS ships with OUI 2.0. Hope they did a better job in QA'ing the TS's firmware. Else, cue the record about how regular users won't care about source or custom firmware...
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
The default launcher on the 414.go/prototype is total junk and makes no sense why they would have made it how they did. Its the worst launcher ive ever used.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Are you rooted?
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
No as far as I know their isnt a root kit or app availble for it? I am hoping someone makes one with app store too and a custom firmware too.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Loki or I can help you with that. ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I posted a link to it over in the TS guide here on xda.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Didnt know about that are you sure it will work on the 414 too? Also will custom firmware be possible too? If someone makes some.

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Thats good to know :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The HW is the same so I foresee no issue with rooting. I also don't foresee an issue with custom firmware once the is a working CWM recovery for it. In all likelihood you may even be able to flash it to make it a fake TrueSmart.

(I'm playing with some stuff right now and may have something for future ROMs)
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Would be great if I could do that also which exploit do I use on the app as the thread mentions several but the omate isnt listed as compatible.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Sorry. Boromir exploit is the one you want.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Hmm when I install open the apk it says this app will use camera and mic :s it also wont let me click on install only on cancel. Ive had this issue with other apps any idea whats stopping it from letting me?

It decided to work this time. Still think those permissons are weird tho. Also do I need to leave the app imstalled or can I remove it after root? The app I used to root it I mean.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Make sure "unknown sources" is enabled. Go to settings then security and check "unknown sources"

just leave it for now.

edit

working on multiple things at once so I'm back and forth between here and elsewhere. I may need a /system dump if you are up to it. If so then make sure SuperSU is installed, install Android Terminal Emulator. Open Android Terminal Emulator and enter the following;

su

cd /sdcard

tar -cvpf /sdcard/systembackup.tar.gz /system
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Er it said the root worked and I should reset the device so I did and now its stuck on the boot animation (the end frame of it) and wont even turn off if I hold the power button down -.-

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Yeah I did that from the start and I did leave it installed its broken my device tho :/ or at least software wise and I have no way of fixing it?
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Can you hold the up or down button while booting to get into fastboot by chance? If so, we may be able to fix it quickly. Maybe.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
I randomly swiped part of the screen by axident and it finished loading this def needs new firmware...
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Phew. Crisis averted. If possible, do what Loki suggested above. It won't break anything, it'll just pull your system image from the device. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
If you are up and running try a system dump. It may take me awhile but I may be able to write a partial conversion script for you from that (as well as toss in some goodies).
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
How do I do that?

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That was first thing I tried after it wouldnt turn off. It seems to be ok now but is lagging sometimes tho it started doing that earlyer for no reason.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Make sure SuperSU is installed, install Android Terminal Emulator. Open Android Terminal Emulator and enter the following;

su

cd /sdcard

tar -cvpf /sdcard/systembackup.tar.gz /system
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Thanks ill have to find my old 4gb micro sd then right?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
SDCard should be internal storage. I know it is on the TS Enginering model

EDIT;

You may also need to install and run busybox.
[Ornate TrueSmart] BBowermaster:
Well, at least you guys aren't alone in your 'company suddenly ignores their backers." Kreyos waited a month to announce production is delayed due to speaker issues. Guess Vectron was right. It will be a race to see which company delivers on their promises first.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Pearl unsurprisingly pushed their delivery date back to November 18th...
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Ummm, Le Pen has put some pics on G+ of the TS assembly. This pic specifically, shows what looks to be a fixed focus camera, contradicting what Omate confirmed earlier that its autofocus :\
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Really? ive had a 414.go for weeks now.

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I hope its not fixed focus. Fixed focus is crappy :/
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
Hmm, didn't Le Pen wrote once on Google+ that he prefers video as the picture quality is not very good to his mind?

Could be the case with a fixed focus cam, as for video you won't notice very much...
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Hate to rain on your parade, but Le Pen just confirmed its fixed focus on G+

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Thing is, their community manager did confirm autofocus previously on the official forums.

Now the camera is borderline useless. It'd been more useful for them to add a smaller 1.2MP (720p) module under the glass pointing upwards. At least then it'd be useful for video calls...
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
did you order it on Pearl.de?
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
No someone on ebay had 4 of them they oddly upped the price to £450 after I bought it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Screw up after screw up. Almost every single one of these could have been avoided had the listened to the multiple warnings from multiple people that there need to be communication, clarity and consistency. Every time you think "guess they learned their lesson" another thing comes out.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Lesson well learned, hopefully.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
With moderators on the official forum still claiming official Play Store support, the lesson is Omate as a whole has little to no credibility.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
I know its off topic but do p

You have any idea why my 414 keeps failing to install drivers on windows 7 I posted a photo on my 414 thread
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
Might be interesting for someone to compile a list of Omate's ' altered specifications ( one could call then broken promises)- might be useful for any folks thinking of trying to get their money back ahead of shipment.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Super lame about the camera. I mean I seriously doubt I'd really use it for pictures (I have a DSLR and a Nexus 5 for that), but still pretty lame that I thought it would be AF since the people on the Forum thought it was.

On the plus side, this will be good for videos, which in all likeliness is all I'd use the TS' camera for. Nothing screws up a video more than the lame ass auto focus phone cameras employ trying focus on god knows what. Even on my DSLR I strictly use the manual focus.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
From my post in the "official" forum. You can add thickness and that the moderators were told it was an AF camera.
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
Thanks Loki

that's just what I was looking for .
[Ornate TrueSmart] gerhardo:
I am not feeling betrayed, but disappointed.

Omate tried to spin the potential of the device a little too much, now it is swinging back.

For instance announcing Play support before checking the device compatibility was a bad move, not backpedaling when it was raised in KS is something I cannot understand (for me the issue was clear at KS already). Another is that Omate seem to measure thickness differently from the rest of us... Camera was initially by Omate said to be a "gimmick", added because it was possible. I was surprised in it having AF (but I have not tried to keep up with lens modules).

This miscommunication is killing the moderators too, those that over enthusiastically supported Omate have been burned. (I do not think that moderator Delano invented

The major disappointment I have is that Omate said early that they would work with the community, which would be a backdoor for root, play support etc. That does not seem to happen. It was a mistake to believe that this also would mean that MT sources would be available.

I had planned to be writing a running app (adopting MyTracks) to get what I want. I have put that on hold until I know if that can be done. For instance GPS Accuracy, HW Button, display etc.
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
This company can't write a single honest, direct, and straight comment/message. They have to falsify facts and insinuate things that are flat out not true.
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
I'm not trying to defend Omate, but aren't they all in the same boat? I noticed from KS, you backed Pebble and Agent. Pebble took forever to deliver a half baked product, not too mention a lot of their backers were still waiting for "special order" colors while watch was already available hassle free in Best Buy. How about Agent? How many times that was delayed and still delayed, project that was funded back in June, and the only thing they have going for them is a wireless charger? Kreyos and HOT are in the same boat, and so on. I seriously doubt we are going to see any more legitimate smartwatch campaigns on KS/IGG. Small guys had a chance before big companies made their announcements (Gear and SW2), and now everybody going to wait for Gear 2 and SW3 and iWatch and Google GEM and maybe TOQ - to see the real deal smartwatches.

But overall, if you are going to choose the least of all "evils", might as well stick with Omate since I have more trust in them than anybody else. Just my 2 cents.
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
Just a quick question... Once we go into settings and select unknown sources, does that mean we then can side load any APK we want?
[Ornate TrueSmart] trent999:
Yes, it does mean that. It does not mean the side-loaded APK will run correctly.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
What have you been smoking? Or are you just throwing in all the names you ever heard?

Last time I checked, the HOT smartwatch was fully on track. No delay so far. Not saying that no delay may happen in the future, but what you are doing is simply trolling...
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Are we talking facts here or speculation pulled out of thin air?

The Pebble got delayed, a lot. No one ever denied that, and I don't recall ever taking issue with either it or Omate delaying. The Pebble guys have always been forthcoming and communicative about the issues they had. They had production issues with other colors and those are the ones that got further delayed. They offered Black ones to those who had ordered other colors if they wanted to get theirs earlier. The same goes for pre-orders and Bestbuy, they started shipping those in Black AFTER fulfilling all black KS and pre-orders.

Their software was far from half backed. Their iOS app required jailbreak to work, but thats something they've been forth about all along. And they've been adding features and functionality to it ever since released. Their battery life claims have been true to promise since day one. And their Android companion app has been rock solid at keeping a reliable connection to the watch and reconnecting swiftly once the phone is in range if the watch wandered far enough from the phone.

Suffice to say, I've been wearing my Pebble day in and day out since I received it. In black, its small enough to be discreet even with the most formal attire. I've yet to have any functional issues with it both hardware and software-wise. And now that 4.3 is out for my S3 along with the new SDK 2.0 for the Pebble, its becoming even more useful.

How about the Agent? If you bother to check their Kickstarter page, you'll notice it has not been delayed yet.

I honestly lost any trust and faith in them. Their communication is half truths at best, pseudo-information more often than not. The number of changes, to the worse I might add, that us backers had to find about from other places is just redicolous. From the Google certification debacle, to source code, to the FCC certification debacle, to the watch's thickness (that has changed no less than three times so far), to the lack of autofocus, to the whole developer edition raison d'etre.

Their current state of stating rumors that have since been debunked as truths if flat out disgusting. Now I am honestly starting to think this will be more of a hit and run than product with a sustainable business model.

On the plus side, if it can be called that, those interested might soon be able to pick up TS' on ebay for prices that will make the Early Bird price I got on KS look overpriced.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I'll idle and let you know what I find out.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
[MENTION=3996566]vectron[/MENTION] My issue is with the way things were/are handled by Omate and some of the forum mods. There were issues/changes that Omate was aware of that it figuratively took beating it out of them before they admitted to it and in some cases still danced around facts because it would cost them backers.

Are they the worst KS/IGG campaign? No, but they are not a good one either.

For the system level devs. Here's some more gifts.

edit

removed the attached files and linked to the official firmware
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Oh, trust me, I can list at least half a dozen things I wish were better in the Pebble. I have no delusion that the Pebble is something that should be put on pedestal. It has its share of flows, both aesthetic and functional, and its no jack of all trades by any stretch of the imagination. It only does a few simple things, but it does them really well. For a first generation product, it far exceeds anything currently available on the market.I'm no iFan, but often it makes me recall Jobs' original iPhone announcement: Its simple, and it works.

I really was on the fence during the MetaWatch campaign, but ended not backing it at the time. Not because I was waiting for my Pebble but because its quite bulkier and does little more to me than the Pebble would. So won't be something I could wear daily to work.

Purely, No. But the Google/Play services debacle was, IMO, responsible for most media coverage and hence a significant amount of pledges. I guess now we'll never know, but had Play not been listed the way it was I doubt it would've had the media attention it received.

On the other hand, some of their actions are flat out childish. When I found their connection to Umeox, they initially denied it. When I linked to Umeox's FB page with a photo showing an early prototype of the TS from March, and another page on Umeox's site about a smartwatch with the same case and specs as the TS, they removed both. When I raised the FCC issue early October, their reply was basically, of course we have it covered, and yet here we are still unable to find any reference to the TS on the FCC's DB, or get a FRN from them. They didn't announce that Oct dev editions wouldn't ship in October literally until the last day.

But the thing that pisses me off the most is their continued deceptive insinuation that they might somehow at some point in the future with some unknown version of Android get the TS certified. That is deceptive at best.

Mind you, I'm not saying the product idea isn't brilliant, or the hardware electronics aren't well executed, or that their engagement during the KS wasn't commendable (over 1500 comments, IIRC). I just think they have a very bad tendency of communicating half truths, for no other the purpose than generating sales. I think you'll agree that this is no strategy to run a business.

Amen :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
[MENTION=3996566]vectron[/MENTION] remember people only ever complain, they very seldom provide positive feedback about their experiences. Plus there is also the tendency to exaggerate.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Normally I would agree however in this case most of the complaints can be backed by reference links. Also being a former Omate forum moderator helps.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
[MENTION=224698]loki[/MENTION]:

I'm considering shutting down the TrueSmart wiki. There has no essential information been added in the last weeks after the KS campaign finished.

I kept the wiki open as I thought that development relevant information would be added, but this is not the case. The last changes are all about small additions to the smartwatch comparison.

As it does take time to proof read all entered changes (in case of fanboys or spam) and as the changes are not really valuable, I consider making the wiki read-only.

What do you think? Do you still see some value in the wiki for development relevant info? If yes, then tell me. I would then leave it writable for defined people. Otherwise, I'll make it completely read - only.

Thanks

Michael
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Pearl again changed the delivery date to the 20th. They are definitly relying on tha company behind the TrueSmart to ship their prototypes to them. And so far, they have pushed back the delivery date at least 10 times.

I am seriously considering cancelling my preorder of the 414.go and just order the Galaxy Gear, which has now a custom rom that enables basically everything we wanted from the Truesmat/414.go (well, except 3g, but I was planning on tethering my 414.go anyway)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2515696

Don't really like the design of the Gear, but at least it's out there.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
As long as folks are ok with it, having it writable for a defined group would be a good idea.

Makes sense and considering it has "Samsung" stamped on it, it has attracted devs. Also considering some of the things I'm seeing in smartwatches running Mediatek SOC's the Gear will be a safer bet.

To everybody in case you missed it
[Ornate TrueSmart] aeron16:
Show us your magic when you have some time loki!
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
+1

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if i'm not wrong you have to use a samsung note 3 with the gear ? i have a sony z1, i guess it doesn't work, even with this rom :(
[Ornate TrueSmart] pkshr:
Congrats Loki, I almost lost hope when you mentioned that you are no longer interested in developing for TS.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Thanks. The EC309 and TS have a lot more in common than the specs would lead you to believe so most fixes and improvements will go both ways. As a result this opens up development for me on the TS again. The VID Edition (still loling over that) just means it will happen sooner.
[Ornate TrueSmart] pkshr:
Keep it up man. I am excited even more now.
[Ornate TrueSmart] arnzzz:
VID edition.... That's hilarious :)

Sent from my Omate Truesmart (in my dreams)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Rumen Matanov:
Gratz Loki, If anyone deserves a VID it'd be you. Looking forward to your work!

P.S. I find it funny how they're trying to buy their way out of the mess they've put themselves in with gifts ;) :D
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Yea that isn't what they're doing.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Rumen Matanov:
Well IMO in Loki's case it is a little bit, because they failed to listen or decided not to, and now they realize they need people like him who know what they're talking about, if they want their device to have any chance of making it without the official Gservices.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Yes, but with the custom rom, it is completly independant.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
So you mean it should work with the z1. The z1 doesn't have Android 4.3 yet, could it work anyway ?

Envoyé de mon Nexus 7 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
No.
[Ornate TrueSmart] jaskru:
Far from trying to "buy their way out"... I think some of our perceptions of time needed and the actual prototype process for mass production is a little off. This device is still super fresh and getting available units out to people while going through the early stages can be a bit difficult.

It isn't a case of failing to listen. More of a case of not being able to monitor or have time to give feedback on all the social platforms and emails. They are a small team that will be increased once they can get consumer units out the door and start hiring more people.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
To my knowledge Jas, Loki, the companion coder and myself are the only ones and I'm just a designer so unless they think I have major community influence you're terribly mistaken my friend (not to the above poster).
[Ornate TrueSmart] Rumen Matanov:
Perfectly possible. It was my take on things based on the information I have. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] thesparky007:
Just make sure they don't send a hit man to you house for asking so many questions openly lol
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
To clear this up, Jas approached Laurent about getting a unit sent to me. This is in part due to me helping Jas out with rooting and dumping the ROM. The other part is that Jas is a good guy that supports the dev community.
[Ornate TrueSmart] gerhardo:
I have added some emulator info and some other updates.

If there is a concern for spam, I prefer an invite based updators (as loki suggested too).
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
Thanks Gerhardo

I switched it so, that only allowed people can write. You can send a request to me. There is a link on the wiki.

I am still open for adding development relevant info to the wiki. I find that a good idea. I just see that devs don't seem to use it but instead post everything in the forums. So the wiki currently mostly gets irrelevant changes, eg delivery forecasts or competitor Infos etc.
[Ornate TrueSmart] fibroman:
UH-Oh! Trusmart compitition is very close!

The Neptune Pine is now on kickstarter!

I am a truesmart backer, but after seeing the pine as the closest direct competitor, I went and tried to back the earlybird version of it as well to have a better chance of recieving one or the other in the near future. It was an epic fail though because it would not take my Discover credit card as it is from canada, and I guess they dont use discover there! There was 27 left when I tried 2 hours ago.

Now the earlybird 16gb is sold out!
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
So i'm lucky as i have backed it yesterday evening :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] fibroman:
I guess you are somewhat lucky. A true test of your luck is to see if you actually get one of these two watches in hand and working according to specs by January.

I have backed two truesmarts, one of the developer ones, and one earlybird.

Hoping to see at least one of them by Christmas, but not too optimistic at this time.

The pine still has the 32gb earlybird versions available, but too much for me after spending for two of the truesmarts.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
meanwhile i'll be doing some testing with the AW414 i have received 5 min ago. I'm doing some "unboxing" pics.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Does it have an AMOLED Screen?