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[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
I'll be switching my SIM between the two. Most of the time I'll be using the Truesmart, but when I'm traveling or other situations where there will be a lot of sitting and waiting I'll pop the SIM into whatever phone I buy with a Micro Sim (Thinking Nexus 5) and use the Omate in companion mode.

Why wouldn't the Omate last a day? If my Motoactv with a 258mAh battery can last 4 days with Bluetooth connected I don't see why the 600mAh TS couldn't do at LEAST a day. I mean yeah if you were on the thing all day maybe not, but I don't think this is geared for people that end up with 4 or more hours of screen on time a day. For a lot of us this would be perfectly practical.
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Yep, that's what worries me a bit since I like to have my watch on all the time to glance at. To achieve that I can imagine going through some heavy duty optimization of resources where 3G/wifi/gps might be on-demand only with bt on as the main bridge of communication with the phone. But for sure, 600 mAh is not a joke, although just for sh!ts and giggles I'm still planning to get that wrist battery ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Oh I gotcha. Isn't Loki checking out the ability to turn off the backlight? That would definitely help. Otherwise, no, it's probably not gonna last all day with the backlight on
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
To to clear up some misconceptions.

1) The Truesmarts's screen does not stay on all the time.

2) The battery life of 4hrs Talk and 100hrs Standby is as a phone not a typical smartwatch

3) The battery life as your typical smartwatch is 12hrs Talk and 400hrs Standby

4) It can never be a practical standalone because of battery life is false. Just because you use more than 4hrs talk time a day does not mean everybody else does the same thing.

5) It can never be a practical smartwatch because of battery life is false. At 12hrs of use and 400hrs standby that already puts it beyond the battery life of many phones. For example if paired with a Moto X you are more likely to have to charge the Moto X first.

The use of "practical" needs to be defined in you posts. Your device usage is specific to you and cannot be used to define all users. This follows the same logic as if you see one brown cow and a that must mean all cows are brown.

If you were to say "I talk 5hrs a day, surf the web 8 hrs a day and chat 3hrs a day. It's just not piratical from me." This would get a general agreement from other and maybe some tips to help with battery life. Just saying "It's not practical" looks more like trolling.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Stu|:
This is how I'll be using it.

Primary as companion, use tasker on both phone and watch.

When connected to phone, use tasker on the watch to turn off cellular radio, wifi etc.

When not connected to the phone use tasker on the phone to redirect all calls to the watch, and on the watch enable cellular, wifi etc.

That way I get it all automatic. Might even have it bypass the lockscreen on the phone when connected together.

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I'll be using a payg sim in the watch too
[Ornate TrueSmart] paperWastage:
it highly depends on the 2G/3G modem, and baseband/firmware behind the modem

look at the Nexus 4: The Qualcomm 2G/3G/4G modem plugs in as a USB device, and is horrible with wakelocks on kernel side.... after some tweaking by kernel devs, it's slightly better (battery-life-wise)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=45057470#post45057470
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Average smartphone usage as recorded by European telecom O2 in 2012

Activity/Time Spent (In Minutes Per Day)

Browsing the internet: 24.81

Checking social networks: 17.49

Playing games: 14.44

Listening to music: 15.64

Making calls: 12.13

Checking/writing emails: 11.1

Text messaging: 10.2

Watching TV/films: 9.39

Reading books: 9.3

Taking photographs: 3.42

Total usage is less than the 240min Talk time cited by Omate in standalone mode. It is significantly less than the 12hrs usage cited by Omate for smartwatch mode.

Nexus 4 is a poor example because most devs know the code LG provided Google was garbage in the first place.
[Ornate TrueSmart] paperWastage:
it's a relevant example, to show how bad (software) implementation can screw things up even if hardware is good and there are good (Google/...) developers behind it

and that mediatek hasn't been developer-friend/GPL-compliant lately.... think the (kernel) code/documentation that might or might not be shared with us, is good as well?

anyways, it's hard to say what my usage behavior will be for the watch... maybe battery life will be worse than average for me because I need to keep scrolling on the small screen to do things, or I'm sick of scrolling and not use my watch for games (and get better battery life than average)
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
I'll just leave this here... ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
There may even be a root app as well. :D
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
That'll be crazy easy, if that's true lol. If not, I'm gonna make it as easy as possible with a 1-click root app for windows, like the motoactv has. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Haha, nice. Glad to see a familiar interface =D

The Motoactv made 2012 and onward rock. People are still blown away by mine over a year and a half later. Imagine when they see my Truesmart!
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
I can't wait to make some cool stuff! Lol! :D
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
I can't wait to see what you and the other devs come up with! The TrueSmart has so much potential.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
LOLWUT

Did I just read that correctly? :eek:
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
Haha....who would thought.... ;)

If they succeeded to built curved touch screen on their watch - I believe their watch would be awesome - but....they didn't :)

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Hey mate, I just realized who you are ;)

Nice to have you here :thumbup:

Anyone have some info for EU shipping?
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
LOL. That's priceless!!

Sent using XDA-funded carrier pigeons
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
I sent mgs to Omate and ask for EU shipping but they have much to do so I didn't get answer.

If anyone have info for EU shipping - please share.

Tnx ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] markyboy81:
I think the bottom line is they will ship to EU, but you may be liable to pay VAT/customs duty. They will minimise the risk as best they can but they have little control over how customs will interpret the project/reward/gift so in all honesty there's a good chance we'll have extra to pay.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Devray:
[MENTION=4816245]funky0308[/MENTION] Info about shipping to the EU is in the wiki

Gesendet von meinem Galaxy Nexus mit Tapatalk 4
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
On wiki?

Wikipedia? Hmm...Can't find that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] thermalboyz:
http://omatetruesmart.wikispaces.com/
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
That's not so good.

If they mark package as a gift and send it from US - I'm 100% sure we will have to pay taxes/customs.

But O.K - I counted for extra expense ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] thermalboyz:
[MENTION=4816245]funky0308[/MENTION],

Omate mentioned there have a team dealing with EU shipping arrangement and they have a team in EU too. They have not publish the shipping method as yet while still waiting the survey to be finished.

I am sure they have a dedicated team to deal with these and will wait for Omate to publish the info soon.
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
I'm not sure that I understand why folks seem happy that Samsung have purchased 3 Developer Editions- surely this is the beginning of the end of TrueSmart, and a Win-Win for Samsung? Will they not just 'borrow' winning design concepts?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
It's a win because it's Samsung acknowledging they made an inferior product.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Omate history with reference links
[Ornate TrueSmart] thermalboyz:
Some more review from Mobilegeeks

http://www.mobilegeeks.de/omate-truesmart-wasserdichte-3g-smartwatch-mit-hd-kamera-video/
[Ornate TrueSmart] koreankabachy:
There an English version?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
http://translate.google.com

Go nuts.
[Ornate TrueSmart] aeron16:
Official omate forums are open!
[Ornate TrueSmart] XandroidX:
Can you post a link to the forums?
[Ornate TrueSmart] aeron16:
Http://www.omate.com/forum
[Ornate TrueSmart] funky0308:
That's cool but I tried to compare gear and Omate and that's not possible - why?

Because Gear is just a toy and Omate is fully functional Android device.

You have to own newest Samsung device or you'll have only toy on your hand and with Omate you don't even have to own smartphone.

And yes, you can connect it to iPhone, all Android devices, windows phones.... And that's what's great about Omate.

So...if you need something useful you'll not buy toy from Samsung, you'll buy Omate.

I'm not saying Omate is the best ever but if you want to compare those two devices Omate is million light years ahead comparing to that Gear nonsense...
[Ornate TrueSmart] markyboy81:
This is true in theory but bear in mind that the omate hasn't been released yet, so nobody really knows how it'll perform in real life.

I've every confidence that it'll be amazing and I'm also a backer, but it's probably safer to wait until people actually have the device in their hands before drawing any conclusions.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
While we haven't gotten ahold of it yet, it's pretty clear what it is capable of from videos and specs given to us. Judging by how well my much older Motoactv runs android and it's apps, I have reason to believe that the Truesmarts higher specs will totally rock Android
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Anyone read the Agent KS page lately? :laugh:

I read through about 10 comments, and almost all were complaining about something on the TrueSmart. I'm not sure why that would be. Maybe buyer's remorse and denial?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
How are we going to adb to this?
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Too funny, just checked it out and they all complaining about Omate. Really?!? :D

How about Kreyos? Those guys finally posted an update saying manufacturing will begin around October 25th, not sure how they are going to pull November delivery. Also, HOT watch only starting to talk about manufacturing now.

Can't wait for another months where all of these guys going to start posting in Kreyos/Agent/HOT comment section about "hey, Omate already shipping their products and people writing about using it, while our campaign ended months earlier and we still waiting to see something before X-mas" LOL!!!
[Ornate TrueSmart] H3K:
can you share the files with us so we can have a look?

thx
[Ornate TrueSmart] |SavageD|:
Aww yea baby. Good to know they're not joking around. :victory:
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
I've pledged as well and I can't wait to get mine in November! It looks really good and I feel it has a lot of potential. Developers seem very into it and I like how they interact with us the customers.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Delano.888:
There are 200 more dev editions available, cool.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mcteague:
To me it looks like they've laid everything on the table for us, they seem very well organised and down to earth.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mcteague:
This looked interesting

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/omate/omate-truesmart-water-resistant-standalone-smartwa/
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
Certainly looks interesting too bad there are no US CDMA smartwatches coming out
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
Yeah I feel you cause I'm Sprint but as long as it'll work the same way connected via Bluetooth I'm happy!

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Yeah I agree which is one of the reasons i decided to pledge and get this smart watch. The once feature i wish it did have was NFC
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
As of now I would prefer no tethering, so either data comes via WiFi or cellular service.
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
I'm still scratching my head how they can alienate all Verizon and Sprint customers by not including CDMA :( Maybe they will have a separate CDMA version down the road. Still, you can use it tethered or through wifi, but the cool factor of standalone Android smartwatch-phone won't be available to Verizon users such as myself....
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
With a GSM phone you can, in principle, sell it worldwide. CDMA is limited the the uS and a few other countries. Regardless I do not appreciate this.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Jackering:
Unfortunately I cannot share the files I have received due to the NDA, I believe I can however share some images, for those who have backed a dev edition send an email to developers@omate.com and you shall get the NDA and tools.

The reason behind the NDA Is because of the tools provided by MediaTek, pretty sure shouldn't be released.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
With an NDA you probably cannot share anything. I will not be turning you I .
[Ornate TrueSmart] alabak2002:
They seem really interested in getting as most "developers, developers, developers" as they can get in their side, even if you don't have pledged for a DEV version. You just get in contact with them and ask.

I have pledged for a DEV, even if I know nothing about coding, just to have my smartwatch one month early and already rooted, so I'd gladly give my away my SDK to somebody that can make use of it
[Ornate TrueSmart] |SavageD|:
I can't believe this. Just when i thought this watch was perfect, another one just came under my radar. The Neptune Pine. I saw it before, but it looked absolutely hideous...but now they have made major changes to their design and it looks quite awesome...minus the water proofing and price (omate - $299, neptune pine - $335). I think i'll wait it out for both releases, see which is better.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
I want this watch. And I want to make something for it. Alabak, I might be interested in your SDK if I don't receive my own. Just wrote them an email. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Jackering:
Hopefully someone from Omate will appear on this thread.. you never know, they've been very good with the community so far.

Some more good news, they got USB working over the waterproof connector earlier so that makes life a LOT easier.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
"Bad" ClearD making me buy a Pine because you will be developing for it. I really should resist because there is no Verizon support (CDMA).

There is a good blog at Phonearena that claims now is not the time to buy a smartwatch.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Smar...ere-are-5-reasons-NOT-to-buy-just-yet_id46903
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Lol I said I would try! And it would be easier if I had one. And that would be easier if it was cheaper. With the truesmart being $100 less, there's more of a chance of me getting it. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] ronaldheld:
I would have sell the Motoactv and I'm watch to afford a newer smartwatch.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Thank you, I forgot those two watches and needed 2 more for my comparison page 2 lol! Now my page will be complete. I'll add those tomorrow.

Sent using XDA-funded carrier pigeons
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
ADB won't be a problem.
[Ornate TrueSmart] spinedoc:
Gahh, missed the kickstarter campaign. This watch looks amazing, I like that you can **** tracy it without the need for a headset. Anyone know if it's worth getting the 1gb version for any reason?
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
It will run better with 1gb of ram 512mb isnt so good these days
[Ornate TrueSmart] Marcel63:
Any news on this one ?

I was wondering about the battery (600 mah or 800 mah ?) and if 800 mah will the battery fit in the Omate TS.

Did you post your small review already somewhere ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Devray:
The battery for the Pearl watch is in the specs. updated to 600mah from 800 mah.

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 7 mit Tapatalk 4
[Ornate TrueSmart] Parcae:
How do you order this now, and what's the price? The link on Omate's own website just leads back to the now-ended Kickstarter.

Also, the dev editions were supposed to start shipping in October - any news on that?
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
I am pretty sure non of them have 800 mah batterys they tend to be 400 if I remember correctly?
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
Anybody got any info on how the production is going- and how near, or far into, Omate is with shipping products?
[Ornate TrueSmart] alabak2002:
Quoting an Omate official forum moderator

"Latest News from inside Omate is that everything is on schedule, but they have declined to give an actual date for dispatch of the Dev. October editions just yet. We believe that it because the Software Dev. Team are trying to progress the UI and Companion App as fully as they can in the timeframe."
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
So where's the best place to get up-to-date info on the Truesmart?
[Ornate TrueSmart] alabak2002:
I follow them on Facebook, Twitter and Google+, but if you ask for only one place, I think that would be the "News and announcements" section of their official forum (although you will see those announcements echoing here sooner or later)

Anyway, most important news would come in Kickstarter updates, so they are difficult to miss.

I don't know if I can post links here, so "Use the Google, Luke..." (or PM me)
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
Thanks - I was following the Omate Developers community on Google+ but got tired of irrelevant posts like "I wonder what the packaging will be.." sorry if you're on XDA, granted the question has a time and place, but as far as Kickstarter projects go, I don't think it matters :)

Will sign up on the forum now, thanks!
[Ornate TrueSmart] alabak2002:
On Facebook, Twitter and Google+, I just skip to the Omate posts.

I will always stick to XDA for technical questions. When time comes and we have our smart watch on our hands to tinker with, XDA will be the place to be. I would be surprised if the official forum surpassed the manpower of the XDA forums (XDA: saving my ass since my 2006 Qtek 9000)
[Ornate TrueSmart] aeron16:
seems the pilot production run is ready?

Laurent Le Pen &#8207 [MENTION=259102]lle[/MENTION]pen 14h

We've finished the Pilot Run of the [MENTION=5417971]Omatetruesmart[/MENTION] at 1:20am. Beautifully built. Totally in love with my new toy pic.twitter.com/TVTn9ZHyE0

Laurent Le Pen &#8207 [MENTION=259102]lle[/MENTION]pen 13 Oct

I am preparing 10 units of [MENTION=5417971]Omatetruesmart[/MENTION] Pilot Run Developer Edition #smartwatch to be hacked at [MENTION=3240506]angelhack[/MENTION] #Hackaton Hong Kong on Oct 19

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scott wright &#8207 [MENTION=1964834]mrscott[/MENTION]jwright 14 Oct
[MENTION=259102]lle[/MENTION]pen [MENTION=5417971]Omatetruesmart[/MENTION] [MENTION=3240506]angelhack[/MENTION] does this mean the 1000 Oct Dev units are close to ready for shipment?

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Laurent Le Pen &#8207 [MENTION=259102]lle[/MENTION]pen 20h
[MENTION=1964834]mrscott[/MENTION]jwright [MENTION=5417971]Omatetruesmart[/MENTION] [MENTION=3240506]angelhack[/MENTION] yes we are setting the production lines for the very first 1,000 units Oct Developer Edition.
[Ornate TrueSmart] crypticlama:
Is it going to work with sprint?
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
I don't believe so, as sprint is CDMA network, and these are GSM. Completely different hardware.
[Ornate TrueSmart] crypticlama:
That sucks
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
The number of people crying about the o store is unbelievable.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
I'll just sideload the play store... and make it easy for you guys as well... it's no biggie. :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] vectron:
Hey, I'm in the same boat with Verizon. But think of it this way - less temptations for extra battery drainage ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
I don't think I've ever seen a CDMA watch phone. Probably because GSM is the world standard. Unless there are plans for US network subsidies I don't think there's ever a CDMA version of a phone.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I'm still trying to get clarification. If it's just the Play Store then not so bad. If it's the Google Services suite, then a way that does not require root or custom recovery needs to be found.
[Ornate TrueSmart] crypticlama:
True true
[Ornate TrueSmart] sm753:
Pretty much this. I'm sure I'm not the only one but this is why I'll never be a Sprint or Verizon Wireless customer. CDMA. When I go to Asia to visit family/friends, I buy a local SIM and stick it in my unlocked phone instead of accruing roaming fees. In additional, local folks I'm there visiting can easily get in touch with me without having to dial an international number.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Artimis:
You can still do this with most VZW phones now. In addition to CDMA radios, most are also equipped with at least quad-band GSM radios as well and can accept foreign sims (either the phone is natively unlocked or vzw will provide the unlock code). This is in addition to LTE radios which is the evolution of GSM and eventually will be a world standard as well.

In any case, I'm more interested in learning more about the tethered mode capabilities of this device over the standalone. More specifically how notification sync and remote app control capabilities will work.
[Ornate TrueSmart] sm753:
VZW CDMA phones can take SIM cards?
[Ornate TrueSmart] BBowermaster:
All 4G ones can.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
No. It isn't the same thing.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Artimis:
A typical "CDMA" phone cannot. However, most phones on CDMA carriers now are equipped to accept SIMs either because they offer global roaming (e.g. have GSM radios as well) or because they have LTE radios (which need a SIM to work as it is the next evolution of GSM technology).

Pure CDMA only phones are becoming a thing of the past.

Yes and no. All 4G ones take a SIM but that doesn't always mean that it will work in all countries. For example, the VZW Galaxy Nexus is strictly CDMA/LTE. The SIM is required for LTE to work and it will only work in the US due to the bands the LTE radio works on. It will not take a SIM for a typical GSM carrier as there is no GSM radio for it to work on.

However, other phones like the VZW Galaxy S3 have a GSM radio in it (in addition to CDMA and LTE) which operates on most bands as other global carriers. So I can use a VZW SIM for LTE functionality while home in the states or pop in an international GSM SIM when traveling abroad for it to work on other carriers. Granted, the GSM radio is limited so higher speeds like HSPA+ only work on some carriers in some regions.

I digress though as this is off the Omate topic ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Actually, most of them are the same thing. The HTC DNA (Butterfly) for example, on Verizon, can take a GSM AT&T SIM card and not only get service, it actually can get 3G service. Surprising, indeed, but true.
[Ornate TrueSmart] BBowermaster:
The question wasn't "Can they take AT&T & TMobile SIMS", it was "can they take SIMS." Therefore, I stand by my answer. Yes, not all 4G phones have GSM radios, but most do; whether or not they are unlocked by Verizon is another question. But if not, most communities have hacked them to work anyway.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Wow I stand corrected. Apologies.
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
I agree- XDA will be the technical info 'Place To Go'.

I had the QTEK 9100 around the same time, also.
[Ornate TrueSmart] spinedoc:
Hmm, preorder saying December release. Has it always been December, or did they push it back?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Always.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
They told me when I pre ordered the other day I should get it in nov or dec
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Weird, why did I think Pre-orders shipped december or january...
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
I did read that someware but what I said is what I was told when I asked in a request with my order.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I believe they said that are a little ahead on production and are pretty much working on software at this point.
[Ornate TrueSmart] spinedoc:
Ah, thanks. Man I'm so freakin tempted by this. Is there ANY smartwatch currently out or in development which is even close the Omate? I've been looking and I haven't really seen anything close to it.