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[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
how can i check this ?

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here are some pics:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/101149847908870195450/posts/T2SP5sLf2ML
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
It should be very obvious. An AMOLED screen only produces light in pixels when showing somehing other than black. A Black screen should almost be impossible to see in a dark room.

left one is OLED, right one is LCD
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
Yes.

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Thanks, nice pictures. Also the size comparison to the Sony smartwatch. Pretty big difference.

Also nice to see the new desktop cradle. So simvalley also now ships the cradle instead of the cable.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Pearl just posted my 414.go
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
i'm afraid not then. I send a black pic from my computer and when i display it it's not completly black, there is still some light
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Alright then Loki let's get this sucker rooted and ready for Play store.

Services didn't seem installed by default.
[Ornate TrueSmart] sm753:
I don't recall them ever saying anything about AMOLED screen for the TS. I believe it's supposed to be IPS?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
It is indeed IPS.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
Hmm, the truesmart should be ips, the simvalley should be amoled according to their Web page
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
It isn't. When I click on Google+ for the first time it ask to install them and open the play store to download it. I did, but then google+ and hangouts still didn't work telling me they can't connect to server.

I tried to update google+, but once downloaded I get an error :installed package not correctly signed :(

Envoyé de mon Nexus 7 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I'm going to try to work with cyrilp today (daytime for me but nighttime for him :( ) on backing up and rooting. Without an open recovery it will take some extra steps but should be possible. Good news is that once we have an open recovery for the TS, it should be a simple drop in for the AW. First I want to get all the needed files together in a single zip and add it to the Compendium. Also need to merge the AW-414/420 into the compendium and update the title.

Once all this is done, I'll write a proper guide and update the zip when I have the time. Til then it will be "DL this and visit these threads".
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
The simvalley 414.go screen is marketed as AMOLED screen.

I asked, because I suspected it not to have an AMOLED screen. Simvalley does not manufacture anything, they just put their logo on it, so them having a different hardware spec than the Omate would have really surprised me. Not having an AMOLED screen is a dealbraker for me, because I wanted it to always display the time (which is not power consuming when using an AMOLED screen).
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
It isn't amoled but it's quite Good and have very Good viewing angles.

I'm in the middle of the rooting/backing with the great help of lockfish. Took some time to start as I had to find a Windows 7 computer...

Envoyé de mon Nexus 7 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Loki, where can I send you this recovery?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
PM me a link if you can. Don't want it public til it's been tested so we can reduce brick risks. Is it going to require a resize of recovery?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Yes. I'll put it on my drive and send you a link.

Sent it though hangout.
[Ornate TrueSmart] XandroidX:
Well according to this recent review in China it is AMOLED... Chrome will translate to English

http://detail.zol.com.cn/GPSwatch/index365222.shtml
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Well according to the one on my wrist, it isn't.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Does anyone read chinese ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Jolest:
I'm not sure, but there's a rumor that most Chinese do. ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] arnzzz:
I prefer the design over omates

Sent from my Omate Truesmart (in my dreams)
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
actually i have to reset my watch (there is a problem in bootup and google services keep crashing without leting me enter the setup menu)

this is the menu i get after holding the two buttons and choosing "factory mode". But now as i don't read chinese i don't know what to choose !
[Ornate TrueSmart] Jolest:
Sorry, but this isnt right. An AMOLED screen does use power while displaying +anything+. But, the fewer pixels illuminated, the less power it draws.

On the other hand, a backlit LCD display uses almost the same amount of power with one pixel on as when it has all pixels on.

So, both backlit LCD or AMOLED will drain your battery if you keep it on all the time. Keeping the display on 24/7 isn't practical for either type of display the TS are likely to use.

The only displays you can keep on all the time with no (or little) battery drain are e-paper or transflective LCD (like what the Pebble uses).
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
This is true, but it practically works out that way.

And technically, even ePaper would drain the battery, since it requires power to refresh the screen, but only very little.

Displaying the time on an AMOLED Smartwatch continuosly as white font on a black background should not severely affect the battery life. This would be impossible with an IPS display, or for that matter, any conventional panel technology.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Jolest:
No. E-paper only requires power to change what's displayed. It doesn't need to "refresh" so it doesn't use any power when it's just displaying a static screen.

Since AMOLED only uses power for the illuminated parts of the display, you are right that white text on black background will take less power than the reverse. But thinking that it takes no power (as you implied in your original msg) is incorrect. Leaving it on 24/7 WILL drain your battery much faster than just showing it on demand and the type of displays being discussed aren't going to change that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
I said the same thing. If you change what is displayed, lit refreshes the screen. And you would do that, since you would want to refresh the time every minute ;). You are right in saying that ePaper uses way less power, but AMOLED will drain less power than IPS, that is my point and that is why I ordered the 414.go. Since it does not have an OLED screen, i will probably send it back.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Has anyone heard of the XTouch?

[YOUTUBE]NB3H5368P-A[/YOUTUBE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB3H5368P-A

It seems to be another Omate TS sold under a diferent name.
[Ornate TrueSmart] seppen:
It looks like the simvalley AW-420.RX
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
The Omate TS Prototype, the XTouch, the AW-420.RX and the 414.Go seem to be exactly the same product.

The AW-420.RX is the 1GB Prototype.

So my question is: Who is the original manufacturer of these watches? Is it Omate?

I will get my 414.Go tomorrow and will probably make a video review of it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
No, the AW-420 is much better than the 414.go: 1GB ram, metal case, sapphire glass. It is pretty identical to the final Omate, except the different design.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
So the AW-420 might very well be the final Omate TS. The images are probably only placeholders.

So right now, there are two different Smartwatches out there, which are sold under different names:

Omate True Smart, AW-420

Omate True Smart Prototype, AW-414.Go, XTouch

//edit

They seem to be based on a watch by "Umeox":

http://www.tinhte.vn/threads/tren-tay-dong-ho-kiem-dien-thoai-umeox-s-watch.2210094/
[Ornate TrueSmart] Neuer_User:
Well, I ordered a AW420. Expected shipping date is end of November, so I probably have it much earlier than my truesmart.

I have two weeks to thoroughly test it. Then I can decide if I keep it or not.

Btw, it also seems to be shipped with the new cradle...

OEM is probably Umeox. They produce all these watches. Omate just seems to have changed a bit the design and maybe the software ui.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
I will do the same with my 414.go. But I wouldnt get my hopes up with the shipping date. Pearl delayed my watch at least 10 times.

You seem to be right with Umeox:

http://www.tinhte.vn/threads/tren-tay-dong-ho-kiem-dien-thoai-umeox-s-watch.2210094/

So, if Umeox is the original manufacturer of all of those watches, what was the TrueSmart Kickstarter Campaign about? They are simply a reseller, like Pearl with the AW-watches and XTouch.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
well.... my AW-414 is bricked...

i'm trying to restore my backup with sp tools but i have a connection problem.

In device manager, the preloader vcom keep connecting and disconnecting every 2 seconds.

I have tried on two computers (7 32 and 64), different cables, with an without battery inside...

Somebody has an idea to help me solve this problem ?

this is strange because the connection was perfect when i did the backup. this problem seems to only touch the preloader vcom connection.
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Umeox, a Chinese OEM, is the company responsible for the design and manufacturing of this watch.

Until the early days of the TS kickstarter, Umeox was showing a rendering of the watch on their site's homepage. Umeox's FB page also had a photo of an early prototype of the watch from March of 2013. They were both pulled after I linked to them on the KS campaign.

On a related note, Laurent Le Pen was a VP at Umeox until a few months ago.

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Doubt it has anything to do with 32/64. Do you have a cradle or clip cable/charger? Have you looked at the pins in it?

From the pics I've seen, they don't seem to be spring loaded pins (ala pogo pins) but rather pieces of metal that depend on flexing (like battery contacts).

Also try to clean the cover contacts (from the outside) with a cotton ear bud and a bit of alcohol. Maybe some hand grease is preventing a good contact (Canon lenses are prone to this issue if the contacts get dirty, and they use gold plated contacts and spring loaded pins).
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
If he has the 414 it's clip only.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The new ones come with the dock.

UPDATE:

So I've been working with cyrilp on this. It looks like the usb port on the dock is to blame. I will also warn the MTK Tools backups are incomplete. So until we have a custom recovery, don't bother.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Even the pearls eh?

This thing may need some GPS tweaks. Going on about twenty minutes without a lock but then again I haven't stopped moving.

Can't test maps or tracking apps until I get it locked.
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
Both seem to use the same mechanism. Though the cradle looks easier to connect. Either way, the connection doesn't look that reliable to me...

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Outside? Is the watch connected to the internet (WiFi/3G) in order to update ephemeris? How's the weather near you?

Chip GPS antennas are not known for their strong signal reception. MTK GPS engines, on the other hand, are.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The design does not bode well for developers. Once I can get my hands on any AW414 or TS I examine the design and look for solutions

That GPS issue doesn't sound good either. As frustrating as the EC309 was at times it got lock inside on the bottom floor of a two story apartment building.
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Yeah, I am calling 'bull****' on the whole Omate Kickstarter campaign.

Omate seems to be closely connected to Umeox (as stated by iraqigeek, Laurent Le Pen was VP at Umeox).

They advertised a product with false statements (e.g. af-camera) and presented a "prototype" which was clearly an existing product. They lied about the many other things, biggest things were Play Store and FFC.

Worst thing: Omate just resells these watches with a new launcher (which, for all we know, might also be developed by Umeox) and case by using a Kickstarter campaign. I wouldn't be surpised, if they used the money earned from the Kickstarter to produce the watches in time for Pearl and XTouch (the other resellers of the original Umeox), thus avoiding breaking any deadlines. This might also explain the mysterious delay in the FCC certification, something the Pearl watch already has.
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
I've been looking for suppliers for spring loaded pins, but without proper measurements for contacts sizes and distances can't figure what options are available

MediaTek are known for their GPS engines in the amateur UAV community. Maybe its a firmware issue? Any idea if its part of the baseband or a separate firmware?

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Doubt Omate has anything to do with those sales. Umeox is not exactly a small OEM. I bet if you approached them to buy a few thousand units you can get most of the costumizations the other resellers are getting.

Where did you read the Pearl has FCC??? What's its ID???
[Ornate TrueSmart] skyworxx:
Why the Kickstarter? Omate claims they have made this watch, when it clearly has been not.

The Kickstarter was basically a pre-order and marketing stunt (which worked). The only thing they changed was the design, which as it seems now, the new Pearl watch will get as well. So this new "final" design, might just be the "Umeox 2.0".
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I'm thinking C clip with solid pins or much stiffer springs.

Not sure. Also have no real data on components either. It's been real slow for me as I'm still without a device.

UPDATE

Was able to get cyrilp up and running again. Had to flash the TS firmware to do it but at least it worked. So I guess this means he now has an AW-TrueSmart. ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Awesome, now to increase the recovery partition.

Also I haven't tried it on WiFi. Maybe I should.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Or shave 133K off TWRP :D

Update

This is turning into a nightmare. Play Store is hidden in the /system/vendor folder but doesn't install correctly as it's missing services. So back to MTK Tools to install a broken CWM just so cyrilp can use rom toolbox or Flashify to to install it. At this point this will be the last root/play store or anything I do on this device til I get one in my hands. This is BS and suggest that unless you seriously know what you are doing, don't mess with it til we get things straight.

In short, brick risk and convoluted methods until then.
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
ok i solve the problem .... pushing the usb cable VERY HARD into the cradle ! it's too deep, so the connection is very weak !

i could recover my watch !
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
P.much let me ask if we can drop a little weight.

Also, I'm going to go check that folder.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Corrected the specs list. Seeing it uses a backlight this may open up some more HW mods.
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
Welcome Omate to the wonderful world of XDA!! Thanks for joining our community and joining us in conversation. I really like that about you guys because it says/shows a lot about how you care about us. The way you interact with us and keeping us up to date is amazing and i can't thank you enough. It makes me feel even happier that I'm supporting your smart watch and I can't wait for mine to come. Keep up the great job!
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Yeah, probably backlight off options and such. Also to note on your list they have pretty much decided they are adding a 1GB ram option for an extra $20. They have also stated 240 min talk time for battery stats.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Backlight off options would fall under firmware most likely unless there was a physical switch. The 1GB and 240mins hasn't been nailed down yet so I'll hold off on adding it. I can say that based on a similar device the 240min sounds about right.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Omatetruesmart:
We're testing some beta versions of the UI at this moment, a lot of work still being done and we intend to give everyone a peek very soon, video blogs on their way!

For all those runners out there, we have installed Runtastic and Endomundo and they seem to scale perfectly to the smaller screen size! These are very well renowned apps that function as pedometers on smart devices.

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We have been busy doing all sorts of field testing and we plan to come out with some specs very soon. So far we are stating that the TrueSmart has about 100hrs stand-by and definitely a day of average good use. Yes, this is slightly vague, hence our desire to come with more detailed results from actual field testing ;)

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Thanks again for the warm welcome. As you can see we're not always there to comment immediately but we do our best ;)

You're right about the need to educate mainstream consumers, that is our challenge and that's what we're gathering an army of enthusiasts for.
[Ornate TrueSmart] OdieS:
I'd be very interested in some battery life stats while using the GPS and maybe Bluetooth audio, as I'm keen to know if it can match (or hopefully better) the MotoActv that I am replacing, that gets about ~4 to 5 hours with BT music and GPS tracking for running with the screen on for the duration.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
@ Omatetruesmart

You know I have to ask. Any chance of firmware (even the system partition would be great) and SDK getting out to recognized developers under a NDA prior to release? Someone else in the tread posted they already have a copy of the SDK.
[Ornate TrueSmart] beejmeister:
To me... the Neptune is slick... but it is THREE INCHES from corner to corner... cut out a piece of paper and hold it on you arm... That simply doesn't work for me. I already wear a Daytona, which is rather large, on one arm and actually plan on wearing the Omate on my left arm.

The Neptune is like 60% the size of an iPhone on your arm.....
[Ornate TrueSmart] Omatetruesmart:
also eliural

The SDK is not ready yet, still working on our own version. Best is to write a short email to developers@omate.com and you get a reply with NDA, drivers and some basic info. Many have started app development with this info already.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The $20 for 1GB upgrade just became official. My specs list will reflect the upgrade

option.

No SDK is fine for me. What about the firmware? If you are using standard build.prop settings and the like, improvement to battery and performance can be made with some simple edits and apk swaps..
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
I like the fact that we now have the option of having 1gb of ram, but $20 extra when we've already pledged $200+ seems like to much. I think $10 would've been enough imho
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I've been shopping for an Android based watchphone for months and can tell you the the $219 for a dev unit with dual core and 1GB RAM is a good deal. The closest competitor currently available costs about the same and has lower specs in almost every area and older hardware. Even with a discount I was looking at $200 which was the same price as if I purchased 100 units.
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
I wish the omate smart watch had a front facing camera like I've seen on some others, I think that would've been cool to have
[Ornate TrueSmart] WvanWaas:
We can create most of the apps already because it's all build on Android. Only the side buttons and some sensors will need another bit of information but we can test on our Android Phones. Just Download the Android SDK 4.2 and the Google API 4.2 and you are ready to go
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
In order to add the $20 pledge to get the 1gb ram do we just select the reward option and make the pledge for $20 or does it have to be done differently?

Thanks guys!!
[Ornate TrueSmart] beejmeister:
At the top right, where the total of the pledges is, is a button that says "Manage your Pledge". Click that and when it shows you your $199 pledge (or whatever) change it to $20 more. DON'T change the choice below that! and go down and complete the transaction through Amazon and you're all set.

Cheers! And BTW. At $219 this watch is a STEAL. Enjoy.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
Front facing camera would be good for selfies, but for taking photos of general things around you, side facing makes the most sense I think.
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
I think it should come with both. The pine watch has both
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
It would also add thickness/bulk to the watch. I have been told the watch will have the dimensions of 45x45x12mm (+/-1mm), weight est. 100g with battery.
[Ornate TrueSmart] beejmeister:
The pine watch is also almost the size of wearing an IPhone on your wrist. Omate has addressed the front facing camera on the Kickstarter comments page. The fact is it would add to the thickness of the watch as well as likely having to expand the casing size from the VERY nice NORMAL watch size that it is.

Look. Everyone could ask for more, and more, and more to be put into this thing... NFC, front face camera, some have even suggested a freaking stylus! Like the NOTE II (which is what my main phone is)...

The bottom line: If you want to spend $400 to get an iPhone to wear on your wrist.... DON'T buy an Omate.

HOWEVER. If you want to buy THE BEST smartwatch that will be coming along in the next 3-6 months (word is the Pine is still just a dream)... and want it from business people who care about their customers, are dedicated to meeting their obligations to all of us to get a product to us as soon as October, and are already upgrading this phone.... with the ONLY sapphire crystal on a phone of this sort... FOR FREE!!!!

Then it is a NO BRAINER to buy the Omate.

Cheers!!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Let see what everybody thinks

Would folks mind if TWRP was monochrome (B&W) maybe) with minimal graphics if that means getting a working touch recovery? Maybe even at the loss of usb sideload and other cool but often unused features?
[Ornate TrueSmart] cyrilp:
Welcome to the newborn, a new species ! His parents are the #AW-414 and The #Omate #Truesmart﻿ !

Thank you Lokifish, you are a genious !
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Was it my image that helped?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
with stuff missing I used the Unofficial 20131109 instead. still having trouble getting google stuff installed
[Ornate TrueSmart] iraqigeek:
While I don't have a TS or derivative yet, I honestly dont see whats the issue of having it B&W (I'm assuming you mean 1bpp?). As long as the graphics are altered to fit the mono-scheme.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I have everything installed and working but play store crashes when I open it
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Could also do it green but some folks might not know what 1bpp means. That why I went with B&W. ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
One bit per pixel?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
CWM didn't stick. At this point I'm done until I get a device as I need to see what going on. I'm not sure if it needs a boot.img patch or there's a stock recovery reflash script or gremlins.