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[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Leonric:
Yes this is what I finally got a rep that was helpful told me. I still haven't heard anything yet. I'll post once I hear the result. I have a strong feeling they'll tell me to send the device back.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] raichur0xx0rz:
I think that reasoning is what Verizon is targeting - trying to offer something to "help" people avoid the hassle of selling a phone online.

But what I still can't get over is the fact that I am paying ~$50/mo over the course of those 6 months for nothing, on top of my monthly bill, and do not get to keep the device to re-sell it and get the money I paid up front back. Not to mention just giving Verizon pure profit by renting a phone for $50/month.

I guess I find the hassle of selling a phone worth the ownership of the device.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] herijgonzalez:
Not quite sure if the edge glitch and getting a phone through that program is causing issue with my verizon log in. Everytime i log in i see this:

The activity you are trying to perform is currently unavailable. Please try again later.

Anywhere i click get the same error.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Leonric:
Going from a sim card to a microsim. I can't switch them. New sim card came with the One.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Wobblin30:
I went through the process as I am not due for an upgrade until next year to see what would happen. Everything went through so I asked a csr through the pop up window on the Verizon site and he told me to take advantage of the glitch while it's available. I didn't pull the trigger because of this thread.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Leonric:
Don't blame you. Still nothing but silence in my case.

But worst that can happen is you'll get the device and have to send it back if they decide to not honor their mistake. They cover shipping both ways.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] ezflip:
I too, took advantage of the "glitch" my phone gets delivered on Tuesday. I am within 6 months of my upgrade period, and was just on the site messing around when it gave me the option to keep my unlimited data. I went ahead with it and paid the first installment and tax. If they try to back out of the deal, Ill simply hand them the phone back and switch to t-mobile.

Also, I was told by two different CSRs that the EDGE program took the place of the 12 month payment option. So, that option is no longer available. VZW CSRs are notorious for having their heads up their asses though, so I don't really believe anything they say. You can talk to 1000 different people, in store, on the phone, or online chat, and get 1000 different answers. If you don't like the options one of them gives you, hang up and call back until someone helps you out. The people working in my local VZW store gave me that advice.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] patt2k:
Edge looks good to me if I won't be changing the phone after 6 months I would rather pay off full amount first then get a phone not have 2 bills to for 2 phones lol.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Character Zero:
Why would you have 2 phone bills. You pay off 50% turn in your phone and that phone is paid off and you start paying on the second phone.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] patt2k:
So there isn't remaining balance for old phone?

and is Verizon charging tax for phones? example : Galaxy S4 is 599.99 so if it was without tax it would be actually pretty good.

and also the glitch does not work for me too bad :/
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Character Zero:
the way I see it once you turn in the phone it settles the balance on the phone
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] patt2k:
You say 6 months. I called VZW and they told me I must be eligble on the exact date however I know that usually system allows for upgrade 5-10 days earlier it depends.

Oh and my upgrade is on 10/01/13 so it seems the rep you spoke with didn't know what he/she was talking about lol.

cool thanks, would you suggest getting S4 with Edge or Contract? just looking for different opinions that's all. Thanks!
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] ezflip:
Correct. Basically, the way I look at it, you pay $25 a month to rent the phone. After a year (unless you pay up after only 6 months) you can just trade that phone in for the latest and greatest for only the cost of the tax, and your monthly bill doesn't change at all. You don't have to drop $200 + tax, or $600 + tax upfront.

For me, in MI, I paid $36 in tax on a $599.99 phone. My monthly bill is currently $74.xx after corporate discount. Now, it will be $99.xx with the extra $25 for the phone. Next year, Ill simply hand the phone back to VZW and get the latest and greatest for another $36 in tax, and my bill will remain $99.xx a month.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] patt2k:
Yep I actually don't want to get a new phone just after 6 months I prefer always to keep the phone and if I would signup with Edge to pay it off first.

That's just me I don't know about others :)
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
Just did this and it let me keep unlimited. Why would it not activate? Just put your current SIM card in the phone? It even asked if I wanted to keep my current SIM and every step said I had unlimited data. I'll cancel the order before giving up unlimited.

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I have screen shots showing keeping my unlimited. Guess we'll see. In the past when you found a loop hole, they closed it but let those through that had already done it.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] prboricua15:
That's sweet. Heck yeah, if there's a loop go for it. I wasn't gonna chance it. I use too much data to gamble. Lol. U go bro.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] ezflip:
Im going for it too. In the past they have honored their f' ups. But, its written into their service contracts that they can basically do whatever the hell they want to do. The only good thing about that, is that it is also written in that they have to give proper notice and you have the right to decline any changes they make while youre on contract. And if you decline the changes, they will waive the early term fee for disconnecting the service. So, like I said before, if they try to change it, Ill fight it, if I lose, Ill hand the phone back and switch to t-mobile.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Leonric:
I have a Thunderbolt currently and it uses a normal sim card the One uses a microsim. So unfortunately this wasn't an option for me.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] prboricua15:
I feel u man. I can't fool with tmobile, lol. I use my piece for both work and personal, I need to be connected. But good luck, wish it works out for u. My unlimited was worth the xtra ten a month.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
Sure you can. Get a SIM cutter. Amazon has mine for 8 bucks.

Here's the confirmation email I got showing edge and unlimited data, if they don't honor it, I will just return the phone.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
I didn't see any 12 month option only edge or buying outright. Just upgraded in March, so I'm way too early for an upgrade.

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I only use 6-8gb a month and I can use less by using wife at home. If they don't honor it I will just cancel and keep my note 2 or trade it in a month for a one (I'm sure someone will have buyers remorse.)
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Wobblin30:
I ended up ordering a moto x. I plan on using my current sim card but not too confidant. I'll report back when I get the phone.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Character Zero:
Thinking about the 12 month plan. Did anyone who has done that had to pay the $30 upgrade fee?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nopatience818:
I ordered a Moto X too and it uses a nanosim. Only other phone I know that uses a nanosim is an iPhone 5

It is possible to cut a microsim down to a nanosim though
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Leonric:
Yes I do now realize this. I took the microsim out of my wife's Galaxy Nexus and popped it into the One. Bam. Works.

So I will have to get a cutter to chop my sim down. Now to wait more time for a cutter to arrive.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Leonric:
So, I got impatient and I hand cut my current sim card down to micro. It's now in the One and the phone works. So now to call Verizon and tell them I'd like to keep my current sim card and cancel any work on trying to get the new one activated.

So now my My Verizon account reflects that my device is the One. I was able to keep my 4 GB for the price of 2 GB promotion. Everything looks like smooth sailing from here out. We'll see when my next bill comes to see if everything is kosher on that.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Wobblin30:
I'll either cut mine by hand or grab a cutter from Amazon for under $10 bucks.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] migpol08:
So where you able to activate it? Has anyone else had this problem too?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Leonric:
Yes, I cut down my SIM card to fit the phone and everything works fine.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] migpol08:
So how much are you going to be paying monthly, the cost of the phone plus the cost of the plan?

Also does it changes your contract or anything like that?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
my plan and contract seem to have stayed the same. For me its 25.22/ month and I guess the 2bucks. It didn't touch my unlimited data. We'll see if they try and change it later or if they get me in 6 months when I'll probably want another phone.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Lykarsis:
You can use the micro SIM as a template and cut down your current SIM. I did this when switching from my Spectrum to my DNA.

Sent from my HTC One
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] migpol08:
So let's say I pay $90/month. If I buy the One through Edge, I will end up paying $90+$25.22=$115.22/month right?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Wobblin30:
Yes, Edge will tack on whatever the subsidized price of the phone is to your current bill.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] raichur0xx0rz:
Well, a bit more clearly - they will tack on whatever the unsubsidized price of the phone is, divided up into 24 payments, onto your current bill (assuming they do not decide to force people to change their plans later). But you cannot upgrade the device until you have paid off 50% of the device, and then you have to return the device to them.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] migpol08:
I see. But if I pay the full price over the 24 months I keep the phone right?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] cstrife999:
Yea but from what I understand you can't upgrade till you turn it in. If I am right about that.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nopatience818:
Received the Moto X today, surprisingly I was able to activate without swapping sims. On the online portal, under the phone I now have 3 links - View Upgrade Date which shows my old 2 year contract upgrade date, View Contract End Date (same thing), and Verizon Edge Agreement, which says I can Edge up in February 2014

Yeah, though keep in mind the price of a subsidized phone is also baked into the service charge. With that $25/month additional payment, you're basically getting double charged for 24 months. If you're gonna hold onto it for 24 months, you should just subsidize a phone on contract and save yourself $600.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] josh995:
So I'm wondering... Verizon edge and unlocking the boot loader or s-off... I mean it must be totally off limits with phones purchased on Verizon edge... So how's that going to work?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
Not really. There are not two price scales on verizon. Matter of fact, t-mobile is the only American carrier that gives you any sort of discount for not subsidizing. You want the best network, you are going to pay for it.

So basically, I am paying 25 bucks a month for the phone, but not paying more than full price if I keep it for the full 2 years. In six months, if I want a new phone, I should be able to pay it down to 50% and swap. Or pay it off, sell it, and get a new edge agreement. We will see.

Why? Technically, s-off voids warranty, but Verizon has never penalized people for it. The phone gets flashed and locked down before going into the CLNR program.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] josh995:
I'm just wondering if they are going check for s-off or unlocked boot loader when you turn the phone in under the Edge agreement? And if they do, and it is unlocked, will they not take it back? I didn't see anything mentioned about it under the Edge information.

Or does it just not matter at all and should people who have Edge agreements unlock and flash to their hearts content?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
You are not supposed to tamper with your phone at all, regardless. Voids warranty and all that. But, in the past, Verizon usually does not check. Any device that gets refurbished gets flashed back to stock factory image which would undo whatever software hacks were on the phone.

I'm not worried about it. Others might be.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] raichur0xx0rz:
Right, you can keep the device if you pay it all off. Basically, it's not terribly different than just buying the phone full price, except you are locked into monthly payments.

If you are the type to want to change devices after, say, a year, then you should spend the full $600 up front, because that will allow you to re-sell the device when you are ready for your new phone the next year. Of course, you could just pay off the entire device with Verizon at that point, and then start new monthly payments towards another phone but I suppose I feel like paying for the phone fully upfront is better.

I would not tamper with the device at all. Verizon could potentially just refuse the trade in. Of course, it does depend on if it is ever checked for tampering, and if they will do anything about it. I would say, if you are banking on returning it to Verizon, don't mess with it.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
Why? At half paid off (300), you can swap the phone for the latest and greatest. Do you think a year from now you will get more than 300 for the one?

I average about a phone a year so this might make sense for me as long as I can keep unlimited data.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] raichur0xx0rz:
It's just because I am against the whole program of Edge (and Next) as a whole. I don't feel like giving Verizon an extra $300 (if I swap out early) and allowing them to resell the phone indefinitely for even more profit. I see the subsidy built into the price of the plans and don't want to be making a second payment on the device and not keeping it (I keep phones around for family members or friends who break theirs, if I don't want to sell it).

I average about 4 phones a year, so Edge doesn't help me at all, but depending on the device, you may be able to still get around $300 for your phone in a year. Of course, the One isn't popular enough to maintain its value (as with most HTC devices).

It's one of the few options for people with unlimited data - and I feel like it's really you guys they are targeting with the program. Gotta do what you gotta do to keep it, I guess. Just isn't good for those who don't have, or don't NEED, unlimited data.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] cstrife999:
You are right except for one thing... After six months from what I understand you can upgrade as many times as you want after that so it would help you.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] raichur0xx0rz:
I believe you can only upgrade after paying off 50% of the device, and still every 6 months.

Though even if you could upgrade at any point... I'm still essentially paying $300 for every device without being able to recoup some of the cost of the phone by selling off the previous one. Not everyone has time to be scouring craigslist and flipping phones, so it may be good for some, but eh, I've been lucky I guess with craigslist.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] cstrife999:
That part is true. I think outside six months it doesn't matter. Not sure just what I heard I should look it up. In the end its not cost effective though for sure. Got 350 out of my DNA to get this using eBay.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] josh995:
You can upgrade every 6 months. Not 6 months and then however often you want after that. Only every 6 months (or longer, but not sooner), and only if you've paid off 50% of the retail price of the phone.

I signed up for edge because of the simplicity. I can walk in, trade in my phone and walk out with a new phone. I don't have to list it, wait for someone to buy, and then ship and hope they're honest. I sold a phone once to someone who wasn't local and the buyer did a chargeback. Thankfully I had all the proof I needed to not lose my money, but after that experience, no way am I ever selling a phone online again.

Edge is simple, and I'll pay a premium for the simplicity.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Wobblin30:
My phone came in today. I had some trouble activating online with the sim it came with so I called customer service. No issues, up and running in minutes.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
that's just it. I'm not even sure if unlimited users are supposed to be able to get edge without losing unlimited. I thought that was what that max deal was about. Guess we'll see.

Got my phone thursday afternoon. God I hate fedex. Phone sat in memphis tn for 36 hours just because they won't deliver early...
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] andybones:
Yea I personally am not a fan of this Edge program.

When I buy a phone, I bought the phone, I don't want to have to baby it and be afraid that they won't take it back so I can get a new one.

and what if I actually like the phone and want to keep it for a backup.

sure this will be great for some people, but I have the s3/s4(currently getting repaired)/htcone, I don't see how edge would benefit me.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
Definitely understand. But for me it was pay 25 a month or 600. We used 4 upgrades this spring so I wasn't going to have anything until 2015.

And if the phone is beat up, I'll just get it warranty exchanged before turning it in.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] cstrife999:
About the only thing I'll argue is having to "baby" a device. I take great care of devices regardless. That is one part of edge I'm not worried about.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] andybones:
totally agree I don't use a case or a screen protector and my phones are always mint until a recent screen break on my s4 I was 7 phones perfect. I could benefit from this program I am eligible for an upgrade, I just may take a closer look. Thank you.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] ezflip:
Are you on an unlimited plan or do you sign a new contract every two years? If you usually pay full price for a phone, then the edge program is no different other than letting you pay it in 24 installments instead of all up front. After two years, the phone is yours free and clear to keep as a back up. If you want to upgrade after that, your original edge contract is fulfilled and expired, so you would just start a new one.

For me, I have never seen a phone (other than maybe iPhones) that holds their resale value after a full year and after the new lineup of phones is out. There is no way you will ever get $300+ for the One after a year. In that regard, it is not cost effect to pay $600 for the phone, $30 to activate it, then sell it after a year and pay another $630 for a new phone + activation. The $30 fee is waived with edge. If I like the phone enough, Ill just keep it two years and Ive paid normal full price for the phone. If I want to upgrade after one year, then Ive paid $300 for the phone and can just trade it in for a new one with essentially no extra payments or fees.

I have yet to hear an argument against the Edge program that makes any sense. Some people are just stubborn and assume VZW is just always out to get them. Im not saying they aren't making money off the edge program, obviously they are, but in the end, Im not paying very much more, if any, for the convenience of making lower monthly payments and upgrading to the latest and greatest every year without having to pay over $200 up front to do it. And im no longer on a service contract. So, no more paying $200 up front and being locked into paying $120 a month for two years. And no more paying $600 up front to keep my $90 a month unlimited data. Now, I pay $115.22 a month and am only locked into paying $25.22 of that for two years.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] kennyidaho:
They've fixed the glitch. No more ordering phones on edge if you're within contract.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
I had to pay activation and 1st month of edge. It came to about 60 bucks.

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That sucks, figured it would happen some point.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Wobblin30:
Glad I upgraded when I did. I wasn't due for under upgrade until 2015.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Wobblin30:
Glad I did
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Lodingi:
So does choosing the Edge option take the place of an upgrade?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] cstrife999:
Yes and no. Yes you'll lose your upgrade, but it's a non-contract service technicallly. You still have to keep service till you pay off the device.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Lodingi:
And now that the glitch has been patched, you'll lose your unlimited data?

I read every post in this thread, and with the exception of those who took advantage of the glitch, I cannot understand the benefit of this program.

Kudos to those who robbed the ATM. Lol.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] cstrife999:
Its to upgrade early. I don't think they kept unlimited I think the people who did the 24 payments option did. The glitch didn't have to do with unlimited data it was about to use edge you need to have an upgrade available or a new line. People without either did it.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Lodingi:
Sounds like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] cstrife999:
Yea it pretty much is. Not even a good looking sheep either... One with wool spots missing lol.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] ezflip:
That wasn't activation, that was tax.

No you do not. You can end your service anytime you want. But you are still responsible for the cost of the phone.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] raichur0xx0rz:
I don't think Verizon is "out to get" people. They're just taking advantage of peoples' tech-itch and making loads of money off of them. Doesn't hurt those people, but really benefits everyone as they can potentially use the money to upgrade the network.

I don't like it because of the fact of how much money they're making off EDGE vs. traditional contracts.

It really hasn't been enough time to see the benefit of EDGE for you unlimited users. As this was a "glitch", they could remove unlimited plans when you go in to switch devices. What if you get sick of the HTC One after 6 months? Pay $300 for 6 months of usage? A lot of flagships (which you are buying, but again, not HTC stuff, but Samsung and Apple) are going for $300 after 6 months, if not a year. the SIII still goes for just about $300 still on Swappa w/ an average price of $330.

It just depends on the person and how much of an itch they have, and it has yet to be seen how Verizon will "correct" the unlimited glitch, if it was really unintentional. If was a mistake, unlimited users lucked out on being able to spread out the payment over 24 months instead of paying up front. It'll be interesting to see how Verizon handles it...
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] migpol08:
It still works for me.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] patt2k:
Interesting... how do you do it? I go to manage device , upgrade and then it says I am eligble on 10/1 but in real life it allows you 5-7 days early.

So teach me please sir lol
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
I kept unlimited and got the edge contract to pay for the phone. 24 equal payments, no interest. Its not as bad a deal as some make it out to be. I didn't have an upgrade until feb 2015.

yeah, I guess it was. So used to paying activation...

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I thought as long as you are within 6 months of your contract being up you were good?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] patt2k:
I am 2 weeks within upgrade.... Literally 2 weeks my upgrade is on 10/1 but the guy I always go to get my phones told me he will be able to upgrade me on the 24th. This is true because system allows few days early upgrade sometimes even 10 days.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] nrfitchett4:
I meant for you to be able to use edge. I thought I had read you could do it as long as you were within 6 months of an upgrade.