yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Every request for info or question you have made so far in this thread

Doesn't exist. Either folks are busy of sites like ifixit do not have one to do a teardown.

SOC - MT6572

Baseband processor - haven't bothered to even look yet and Mediatek does not publicly release this information.

Your guess is incorrect about the Exynos 4210

Mediatek doesn't even make a detailed spec sheet for the MT6572 publicly available. Omate doesn't even have this info.

There. I have answered ever question you have ever asked in this thread. As far as the attacks and insults. not in the mood to put up with this. If this continues I will send back the TrueSmarts sent to my by both Omate and XDA and call it a day.
[Ornate TrueSmart] alabak2002:
Development Offtopic: In the wise and insightful words of The Oatmeal

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1604424_10153763765960078_427246347_n.png

Please don't get drawn by a troll. Think of all the users that really appreaciate and respect your work ("your" as in YOU and EVERYBODY that makes a single step developing for this or any other device, or just gives a warm "thanks" to fuel this forward movement)

When your mood is on the Red Zone, just switch to other web site (www.thechive.com works well for me) or just get and see what your child is doing (that DOESN'T always work for me, mine are older and restless ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Your baseband chip is an MT6205, the RF for 2G/3G has an MT6166. The SoC is an MT6572 with a Mali 400 GPU.

There's your info. Go away.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I agree but it has been 4 months of this type of thing on G+, KS, Official Omate forum and here. Tends to wear a person out. The HDMwIn "event" wasn't even this bad and that was pretty bad.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
If you do, can you please let me know so I can cancel my order.

So, how many days did we make it before "name calling" surfaced again?

^ [MENTION=224698]loki[/MENTION]} TBH I'm surprised you bothered to take the time to go back...wow...that's way more than most would even think of doing after that. I know it's difficult at times, but you gotta let this stuff roll of your back. In a sort, you're a "C" class celebrity (get it, "C"ellular)...tough skin is essential to those in the public eye.

Look, bottom line, 99.9% of the people here know the contributions you have graciously donated and respect that fact every time we post.
[Ornate TrueSmart] haybill:
I am not interested in this side show- but as an observer I have noticed that you seem determined to upset most of the devs who are actually doing something for the TS- please tone down your language.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
MY official battery life tests part 1
[Ornate TrueSmart] E:V:A:
It can't possibly be a MT6205. That one is over 10 years old!

But sure enough it's a MT6166 used as an RF front end.

...and "please tone down your language"...

But now I understand the source of confusion and it's not really anyone's fault other than MediaTek who insist using confusing naming schemes and imprecise info on their websites. Anyway, for everyone's information, the MT6572 contains the modem processor (MCU) inside it's SoC, and this is an ARM Cortex-R4. Then you have the AP with 2x ARM Cortex-A7 as correctly described in OP,

with the multimedia processor (MM) ARM MALI-400.

And looking at these, I actually started liking MediaTek components. I've never played with them before, so this will be a new fun era.

Processor SoC MT6572
PMIC MT6323
Baseband <integrated>
RF Front End MT6166
RF FEM SKY77590-21 [1]*
RF FEM SKY77590-61 [2]*
RF PA RFxxxx (RF Micro Devices)

[1] [URL="http://www.skyworksinc.com/uploads/documents/SKY77590_11_21_202720B.pdf"]Tx-Rx FEM for Quad-Band GSM/ GPRS/ EDGE with Six Linear TRx Switch Ports[/URL]
[2] [URL="http://www.skyworksinc.com/uploads/documents/SKY77590_51_61_202800C.pdf"]Tx-Rx FEM for Quad-Band GSM/ GPRS/ EDGE with Six Linear TRx Switch Ports and Dual-Band TD-SCDMA[/URL]
[URL]http://wenku.baidu.com/view/9cb60d3883c4bb4cf7ecd121.html[/URL]
*One of these but not both.

All this is shown in the picture below.

More specifically:

As for the Modem:

Thanks guys!
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
All I'm telling you is what I know. If it's not 6205 it's not.
[Ornate TrueSmart] gillebob:
Lokifish, I'm a long time user of xda-dev's and that is due to developers like you. I'm a very infrequent poster as i prefer to listen to those who know more than I do rather than post just for the sake of it. So all i'm saying is without you and other dev's we normal users would be lost. I'm very much looking forward to receiving my TS but living with it won't be the same without you. Please ignore the useless posters around here and elsewhere and be aware that many of us appreciate the work you've done and hopefully will continue to do.
[Ornate TrueSmart] trent999:
Just think of this...now Eva has the information requested we who are still awaiting delivery of our October/November 2013 Developer Edition Omate TrueSmart devices have potentially another developer's work to look forward to.

This is thanks in large part to lokifish and kuronosan being patient with what appeared to be a somewhat lazy and demanding newby.

Let's hope everyone's efforts pay off big time !
[Ornate TrueSmart] wondermike8:
Let's not go too far, now. The diagrams posted by E:V:A were higher resolution than the versions I posted elsewhere. It probably took a fair bit of effort to dig them up, especially if he doesn't speak Chinese. Thus, he is not lazy. The fact that he cares about the difference between the MT6205 and the MT6166 would suggest he is not a newby. That leaves demanding, and you might be right there, but you could probably substitute "frustrated". There is as much good information as misinformation about the Truesmart and its ilk and maybe E:V:A had just finished an exhausting research session trying to put the pieces together. Of course there's no sense in being short with people who are trying to help you, and I respect lokifish and kuronosan for coming back day after day even if they aren't always treated as they should be, but I can see some value in letting people make a second first impression, sometimes.

Anyway, has anyone gotten hold of the offical datasheets or other formal documentation for the MT6572 or the MT6323? All I can find are some Chinese forums that seem to want to charge for the download. I'd get it myself but I can't read the terms of service and I'm fresh out of renminbi.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I'll see what I can dig up.
[Ornate TrueSmart] the_eclectic1:
Well said

Sent from my SM-N9005
[Ornate TrueSmart] ecsk2:
Want to see pics from OMATE testing and inside it? :)

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

Put 2ABF5 into "Grantee code" and hit search.

Then click on the DETAIL link on the various hits.
[Ornate TrueSmart] justmpm:
Hi,

I really don't want to clean this thread, I see a lot of information mixed in with some "disrespectful" posts. It is important to note that until the watch is actually released to the public, any of its specifications are subject to change. Some people may even know the current exact specifications, but may not be able to freely disseminate that information. I know it can be frustrating not to get your questions answered, but it is also frustrating for the people who are covered by non-disclosure agreements that keep them from fully answering your questions.

Please, absolutely: No more name calling. No more sarcastic posts. No more flaming. No more trolling.

Thanks!
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Just snagged [MENTION=2293626]ChiefzReloaded[/MENTION] as a dev.
[Ornate TrueSmart] attapKia:
nice. great news. :good:
[Ornate TrueSmart] ChiefzReloaded:
Well hello world.... :)

Hey, just stopping in to say hello and to introduce myself to those who may not know who I am. I have been working on reverse engineering android security for a few years now, I created a couple of the root exploits for older devices before becoming a member of CyanogenMod as a device maintainer/developer. Any info on my past work can easily be obtained via a google search of my screen name here, which is also my twitter and G+ name as well. I hope to get my hands on a unit soon to begin playing with the True Smart and have been approved for a VID device so I am here for the haul. Thanks Omate True Smart and especially Lokifish Marz for bringing me on board!! Glad to be part of the team. :good: :cool:
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Glad to have you here!
[Ornate TrueSmart] wondermike8:
Hi, ChiefzReloaded. It's great to have you on board!
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
Welcome!

Does this mean CM11 for the TrueSmart might be on the cards? :) :D

edit: let's be fair, CM10.x would be welcomed too ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] trent999:
We do kinda need BLE support. Would 10.x get us there ?

I run cm11 on my vgnexus and it has revived that memory-challenged phone's usefulness.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
CM10.2 (Android 4.3) will have BLE.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
This. Although 11 will also be possible.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tangcla:
Yeah, but I didn't want to push my luck :p
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Really?? Damn, that would be awesome!
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Most of that hinges on finding source, which is out there for the chipset but might need to be hacked together for this.
[Ornate TrueSmart] speedyink:
Oh ok, I read way too much into that, lol. I see what you mean now. Still cool though, can't wait to try it when everything eventually comes together.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Quension:
Mine arrived last night, US 1900MHz 1G/8G developer edition. (Or at least that's what it should be, I haven't verified all of that yet.)

Before I get too attached, is there a developer in need of a loaner unit?
[Ornate TrueSmart] LeighR:
Noble but don't be daft
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Why would that be daft?
[Ornate TrueSmart] MasterZen88:
Does TrueSmart have a download link for Firmware? Would like to download the latest firmware.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
For future reference

[INFO] Everything Umeox x201 (TrueSmart, AW-414/420, AX-3, XTouch, etc..) (14/1/3)

You are much better off using my ROM for now.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Quension:
It's not a wholly selfless offer; the TS as-is would not satisfy me, and much of the work that makes it more useful to me is being done here. I remember seeing comments a while ago that suggested some of the more capable US developers would not receive units for a while, and I haven't been paying attention to know if that's still the case, so I ask.

I'm occupied with other things right now and wouldn't really miss it. If it can spend a little time with someone else and end up getting the cool toys faster than it would otherwise, that just benefits me later on when I'm not so busy.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Trolling and complaints aside the Omate/x201 folks are the best I deved for since my PalmOS days. You rock.

About a loaner device. I think a fully working TWRP release would help speed things up for core (kernel/ROM) devs and some app devs. Would also help those of us working with Omate on official firmware as well. That being said, I'd like ClearD, ChiefzReloaded, DeesTroy and other devs to give feedback on this as well.
[Ornate TrueSmart] ClearD:
Oh Lord yes. Recovery was a difficult thing for the MotoACTV, so I'm hoping it'll be a little easier (or at least more functional) here. As long as it backs up, wipes properly (and completely), and flashes when it's supposed to, I'll be happy. ADB access while in recovery would be amazing, but it's a rarity nowadays. It'd certainly help me out though. With ADB access, I could do everything I want in one swoop; root, recovery, then install the security patch all with a single button press.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Our twrp build backs up.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
What kuronosan said

Really the only key issues is full wipes and flashing ROMs. Dees could probably get this fixed in day or two with a device in hand.
[Ornate TrueSmart] DentalDenist:
where is the companion app?

I found by luck the TrueSmart Master app that you need to install on your phone from here:

https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.omate.osmart.master

BUT where is the companion app?? cant find it ANYWHERE! not in the Ostore, not in Google play, not in a deep search in google.

anybody has the apk for the companion app that you need to install on the watch?

Please! Thanks.
[Ornate TrueSmart] KingGinger55:
not for swimming

I recieved my Omate TrueSmart Yesterday in the mail. I was very excited to get to developing apps and rooting. I took it immediately from the package at my house to the pool as I was going to work out and wanted to time myself. I had no time to take the screws out or break the seal. I did not drop it or scratch the case (though it did arrive scratched). It was completely in out of the box condition. I jumped into the pool careful to not let it hit the water when I got in initially. I then swam a slow 100 yds. I went to check the time and it wouldn't turn on. It was submersed for maybe 3 minutes at a Max of 2ft deep if that. I have never complained about the wait we had to endure as backers because I thought that as long as I got a quality product I would be happy whenever it arrived. This is not a quality product. I am not satisfied. I need to know how I would go about returning this one for replacement.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
They're updating it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mety333:
Chrome Reader is now compatible with Omate TrueSmart!

...im really hoping for it to behave like the sony smartwatch where we can dial and answer messages from the watch using the phone SIM.

like with google voice where it ask you to "dial with google voice" or "dial with the phone sim number".

[YOUTUBE]6F75rDA9fb0[/YOUTUBE]

Play Store Link:

http://goo.gl/P4JhWq

or download at Main Thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2564859
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I'm talking to him now.
[Ornate TrueSmart] DentalDenist:
Looking forward to an update thank you!
[Ornate TrueSmart] lse4:
For ppl that are receiving their devices.. do they send you a tracking number when they ship them out ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] KingGinger55:
I got a sort of general watching number when it was coming out of the Deutsche Post but after like two days it said that it had gotten to America and then I stopped getting notifications. About a week later a package showed up at my house. No other tracking of any kind.
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
I'm hoping mine comes soon my birthdays next Sunday would be nice to have before then

Sent from my HTCOneMax
[Ornate TrueSmart] wildcatbn:
You can put the tracking number into USPS.com and it works. They are shipping Us postal service.
[Ornate TrueSmart] vikemosabe:
You'll need to contact Omate or Laurent LePen directly.

I don't have links, but Omate has a Facebook page and Le Pen is on Google+

Those are going to be your best bets.

Good luck.

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I'm wondering what criteria they are using to determine shipping.

I backed very early on the first day of the campaign and I don't have a tracking number or device.

Frustrating.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Once manufacturing delays and issues pushed things out past the intended shipping dates it then became a "get them shipped as soon as the come in". This hosed the who gets what first. Another logistics partner also said they could do better and then made things even worse by ignoring Omate and shipping however they felt like. As a result the VID units (so that we can further help folks, fix firmware and so on) are the last to be shipped.
[Ornate TrueSmart] vikemosabe:
Looks as though mine might have come today, but not 100% sure.

I missed a package today and don't know of anything else being shipped to me from china, but I never got tracking info from Omate.

Not complaining, just noting.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Darkeyce:
Selling my TrueSmart 1/8

Had to list it on ebay ( I don't think i can include the listing here.)

It seems a great device, only had it couple of days and i didn't even get to wear it! or FLASH it!

But my far better half asked me if I REALLY need a watch on my wrist...which was code for "Seriously? I strongly suggest you sell that".
[Ornate TrueSmart] sm753:
Enter in the tracking number from Deutsche Post on USPS.com. Worked for me and picked it up yesterday. Discovered mine had been sitting at my local post office for 5 days.
[Ornate TrueSmart] vikemosabe:
False alarm.

It was my Nanolight.

Can't wait to get my mitts on my TS though.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Did a quick search on eBay...THREE TSs already up for sale...??? Hopefully, these guys are just the quick buck artists or have a wife that cuts thru steel with a one glance...and not a reflection of customer satisfaction.

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I like how she wrote "YOU decided to sell it"... I guess she just forgot to mention that she had you racked.
[Ornate TrueSmart] sm753:
I got mine yesterday. Pretty pleased with it so far. But when I'm away from home it's basically a watch that I have to turn on to see the time. Without BT tether and/or the companion app available. Its uses are fairly limited for the time being.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Darkeyce:
I'm so not in it for the cash...ebay requires a min 30% premium for the buy it now price. I set it at the lowest i could over my initial costs...did you see the sale prices for the other two TS?

On a tangential rant,,,ebay has a racket going on!, 10 percent of the sale price (including shipping) and then you have to pay a percentage of that same amount to paypal (that ebay owns)! WTF? how is that not illegal? and paypal has the nerve to say it may take 21 days to get your funds? that's simply ridiculous!
[Ornate TrueSmart] MRFERRARI23:
I can't believe it doesn't have Bluetooth tethering....what good is this watch going to be without that feature? So basically what can we do with it in conjunction with our phones?

Sent from my HTCOneMax
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Please stop confusing tethering with internet tethering.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Out of curiosity, does anyone if the companion app that Kurt is working on works in conjunction with a SIM...or does the app take over and disable the on-board SIM?

Example: I have two lines...personal and business. Got this watch to subtract one phone. However, now that I've been using the Zwatch (great lil watch for $99) I don't want to lose the wrist notifs from the business phone. And no, as much I love being a turbo geek ...NOT wearing both! One watch, two functions...possible, ya think?
[Ornate TrueSmart] DroidWolf:
This may seem trivial but I cannot seem to change the media volume on the TS. I can change it to vibrate and silent but the media volume stays at full blast. Any suggestions?
[Ornate TrueSmart] pkshr:
Welcome to the Omate world. Currently there is no built in settings. Your best bet is to install an appropriate widget from play store.
[Ornate TrueSmart] NachTSS:
Thats what I did on my 414.go
[Ornate TrueSmart] sm753:
Please correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I am aware, BT internet tethering isn't available either. The battery drain from BT internet tethering is actually fairly reasonable on my (and most) phone. Wifi tether however not so much so that's not even an option for me.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
What exactly are you planning to use tethering for?
[Ornate TrueSmart] wildcatbn:
I was able to get Glass to see internet access with bluetooth tethering so it does work. This was stock firmware and ROM.
[Ornate TrueSmart] sm753:
Internet access. Without it this watch is just a big hunk of steel on my wrist when I'm not at home (i.e. when I don't have wifi). For clarification: "BT tether" - to share my phone's data connection with the TS. Not sure if that was understood.

I don't even *have* the option of putting my SIM card into the TS even if I wanted to since my phone uses a nano-SIM. BT tether is the only option I have since wifi tether is so battery heavy. Any alternatives or suggestions would be welcome.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I'll do a run down test today and get back to you. I've already eaten up all my data on both my lines running tests so it will have to be wifi to router if that's fine. The weak point in WiFi tethering battery life might end up being your phone and not the TS.

Til then, take a look at the battery life tests that have already been run. They are in the Specs section of the [INFO] Everything Umeox x201 (TrueSmart, AW-414/420, AX-3, XTouch, etc..) thread.

Now more about the BT tether issue. The problem is not with Omate but with MediTek and Umeox. They are the ones responsible for the source/patches/core firmware. Seeing they hold all the cards it is difficult for Omate to do anything other than grin and say thank you. The entire x201 series is affected by this. I will say that alternate firmware is being looked into but cannot go into any details.
[Ornate TrueSmart] sm753:
Sorry, again clarification. That is what I meant. Wifi tethering is a big drain on my phone, the device acting as the hotspot/router/etc. No need for battery testing on your part!
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Am I missing something...where are the watch faces from the hackathon? They're not in the"Omatefaces" app...and Kurt's app from Play installs, but doesn't allow to set any of those as the main face. Sup?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Delano.888:
FORUM UPDATE

Hello everybody, as you might have noticed the official Omate forum is down. We have no idea why Omate decided to switch servers and when/if it will be fixed.

Some of us mods have created a general smartwatch forum. Feel free to join us at http://planetsmartwatch.com/ where you can dicuss the TS, but also other smartwatches. But of course there is also an off topic forum for Paul ;)

This is completely separate from XDA, our forum will be more general / less devving aimed. Not saying there is anything wrong with XDA, it's just a different way of interacting.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Yes, actually it does. You need to double tap and open the menu then scroll to the bottom.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
??? Double tap what? Where and which menu?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The screen.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Wow. Ok...I've d-tapped the main default watchface...nothing. I've DT the watch faces in Kurt's app and the stock Omate app....nothing happens! I've tried opening menus in all the above (slide R 2 L)...nothing.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
What version do you have installed?
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Stock w/patch
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
???

I thought you were having issues with the watchfaces app?
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Latest from Play....I cannot seem to get any of the optional faces from kurts app to apply. The ones in the Omate app have the "set" button...but nothing else.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Wipe app data and restart it. You should get a tutorial.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
To set the face in kurts app

From the description in the Play Store

So double tap the screen while the app is running

Scroll down to the very bottom

Uncheck "Switch face every 15 seconds"
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
I've tried that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
The only thing I can think of if you are not getting the tutorial and cannot get options to come up with a double tap of the screen is that you are not running v1.10.0 of Kurt's Watchfaces app. v1.10.0 is the latest version and was released on January 29, 2014.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
I've tried all this. When the app opens, I can change watch faces, themes, etc...but, no matter where I DT...I am getting no menu...nothing happens.

Screen issues?

Earlier today, while typing a few emails the Flesky KB began typing without touching the screen. Or, I would hit a key and three of the characters would show up. Could these be related?

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Ok...so I turned on screen touches on the dev options.

The second tap is not registering.