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[Moto X General] bso44:
I experienced the same thing with that Tasker profile on my S3. I'm sure there's a way to tweak the profile so it stays on with screen off though.

I also don't think having the GPS radio on sucks too much juice. I didn't notice a difference.
[Moto X General] mj0528:
Bluetooth and GPS off in a basement of a building made a considerable difference for me
[Moto X General] bso44:
Bluetooth is definitely a drain on battery. Did you try just leaving blueooth off while keeping GPS on?
[Moto X General] mrbradeli:
2.5 hours screen on time so far, and a lot of it was spent watching video. Already better than my Samsung vibrant for sure.
[Moto X General] theraffman:
Charged my phone to 100% last night and unplugged before I went to bed. Disabled bt and Wi-Fi and enabled batter saver, woke up 9 hours later with 91%(I had worked 80hrs last week so I slept in). Less than a % an hour with non rooted/stock Moto X. Been moderately using it all day, up to 17hours off charger with 2.5hrs screen, 30 minutes talk, half hour of candy crush (don't judge me) and still at 35% battery life... Not bad for completely stock. I can't imagine what kind of life I would get if I rooted/debloat/greenify... But this phone is almost perfect as stock so I'm enjoying not flashing Roms and kernels every other day, seeing how long I can hold out before I succumb to rooting.
[Moto X General] you_man:
4 hours of screen (
[Moto X General] rmead01:
No pics but yesterday I had 3 hours screen with 48% batt left. Lots of candy crush and beach buggy. Almost couldn't believe it.
[Moto X General] theraffman:
21.5 hrs off charge 3.75hrs screen... Got another 20 minutes or so of screen time, after the screen shots, before the phone died. All stock, non rooted.
[Moto X General] austriak:
Got 5 1/2 screen time with first full day of use.
[Moto X General] Muffinman51432:
First android phone more than a day..... This thing rocks
[Moto X General] matt99017d:
What is "media server"? It kept my phone awake for 8hrs.

Sent from non rooted motoX :'(
[Moto X General] scorpion667:
overall, I'm satisfied with battery life.
[Moto X General] rmead01:
so you traded in for an iphone? Not sure why that's relevant here but enjoy your decision.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
"time since last full charge" thats funny. also i like that the iphone's battery usage screen has two details. time since last full charge and usage. whatever that means. thanks scorpion667 for making me realize once again why i don't sit at starbucks with all my apple products surrounding me.
[Moto X General] rmead01:
while in this case i doubt he is using trickery for this because I know it's possible to get some good batt life on iphones, but you could charge the phone up to 99% and remove and it would still say the same thing because it's "not a full charge".

I do like the iphone and iOS often tempts me, but it's realizing all the benefits i've grown used to that I would be giving up to have a phone i'm told how to use. Gonna stick with android for now and the moto x has so far been my favorite experience out of the box.
[Moto X General] scorpion667:
Doesn't the timer reset when you plug it in? I legit get 72+ hours battery life on it. Was getting even better battery on my old 4s. I never have much syncing on any of my phones that's why.

That's just my old iphone 5 lol, I still have my Moto X. Love rustling jimmies!

he mad
[Moto X General] rmead01:
lol. I always mess around with my parents iphone or ipad when I get the chance. Also love to keep up on them on. If I could score an iphone 5 on the cheap i'd use it as a second device in a heart beat.
[Moto X General] scorpion667:
They are not bad, i usually pull it out when I know I'm not gonna be near a charger for a few days i.e hiking/camping

I just had that screenshot on my dropbox thought i'd post it for chits and giggles haha
[Moto X General] defsquad:
So, unfortunately for me, I work in a horrible faraday cage of an office and get awful reception on VZW so any phone I've owned fluctuates between edge/3g/LTE.. anyway, I'd imagine that separate from that scenario, my VZW DE would have great battery life.

anyone know of a way to automatically make the X just stay at the lowest possible cell service type (enough to still send text messages and make/receive calls) so that it stops switching between types and killing the battery?
[Moto X General] :
Turn off data. You will be able to receive and send phone calls and sms messages. Mms messages will download when you turn data back on.

Sent from my Moto X.
[Moto X General] scorpion667:
Not automatically no. But you can change it by dialer code *#*#4636#*#*
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
can't argue with that. Not mad at the product. Just not to fond of many consumers of apple products. That Samsung commercial from last super bowl with apple people sitting in line pretty much sums up my thoughts on the topic. Apple does an amazing job marketing to the masses and creating an amazing product. But that doesn't mean I have to enjoy watching them create loyal customers that buy their products just because they have an apple on it. or a bitten out of apple or whatever lol. On a different note, I think the new iphones have a worse battery life with a 1500mAh or so than the moto x. an the 4 inch screen kills it for me. Maybe it all started when my girl friend bought a $2000 mac book to browse the internet on. I buy products because they are the best for what I use them for, not because its cool, so i can stay relevant, show it off, or because they know how to market the product. Not all apple consumers are like that clearly, but those that are ruined the entire product line for me.
[Moto X General] defsquad:
Thanks much, I was able to set up tasker to turn off my mobile data while i'm near our work wifi.. Works like a champ.
[Moto X General] banboy:
excuse me, but when ppl said " I got 4 hours of on screen " what's that suppose to mean ? like you got 4 hours of screen simultaneously for 4 hours non stop ? or what ?
[Moto X General] scorpion667:
They don't. They have slightly bigger battery then the prev generation. My friend almost hit 80 hours on his second battery cycle (5s).

But yeah the 4 inch screen is part of the reason I switched to Moto X.

To be honest the Moto X is the perfect phone size for my hand. The actual phone is only slightly wider then iphone 5 and about the same height yet managed to house a MUCH larger screen. But Android has a long way to go with regards to battery life lol. Too much crap going on in the background with Android. Realistically there are only two things I need my phones to do in the background. Check for calls/texts. That's it. Anything extra is pointless for my needs and detrimental to battery life.

Android's battery life is like an open house orgy. Everyone's invited
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
hahaha. true true. It really is. They don't have the same ability to lock everything down that apple has but they seem to be doing a better job as of recent. I think by the time the next big update for android comes around I'm hoping they do a better job of fixing at least google's services masses amount of battery drain. If they can't fix that then how can they expect the apps in the marketplace to do any better. But your cell coverage is the real battery drainer. I don't know if iphone on verizon has the same power to use all the 4g lte services. But enough about that. This phone easily lasts a day with pretty heavy use so I have no complaints. If i get so drunk that I forget to plug my phone into my charger when I go to bed, I'll take the blame for that one.

I do think google needs to own up to the fact that their services cause severe battery drain. I get kernal wakelocks caused by their stuff while its sitting at night that keeps it awake 15% of the time it is asleep. Can't figure out how to solve it because I think its an issue in 4.2.2. I get battery drain sometimes almost 20% of the battery at night when it is asleep for 8 hours on wifi or off wifi. That's stupid.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Disable location reporting in the Google settings app.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
Didn't solve the problem. I have tried everything and read for countless hours. There isn't a solution that I have seen anyone post anywhere on the internet. I'm not kidding when I say I searched a lot. Top 50 at least links Google comes up with in reference to my kernal wakelocks has found a solution yet. But if you got any other ideas I'm down to try.
[Moto X General] ram130:
I'm having the same issue with my Moto X but it's with Android OS. Google services I manage to get down by removing my Google Acc and adding it back and restricting location access. So far it's low now. Gonna enable Google Apps access to location and test again.

What's surprising is that no matter what I do, Android OS takes a **** load of usage. Between 15%-34% when in standby. On my Nexus 7 it's down to 5%. Disabling location reporting on N7 fixed the high Google Services issue but not on the X. I can't figure it out! It's driving me nuts.

Did you ever try a factory reset?

Here's my post on the issue on the Moto X forums on G+ here
[Moto X General] nyx528:
So is this normal? That is way higher screen on time then my Photon. Just curious. :)
[Moto X General] yah00z:
I did 16 hours with 6 hours of it being screen time. In addition I've also done two days with four hours of screen time. I love the moto x. Still love my HTC one as well however I also enjoy the moto x for other reasons.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
There are so many causes that its worthless to trouble shoot in my opinion. Android os is my main problem but sometimes that stuff is high and it doesn't cause bad battery drain if it is working correctly. From what I have read it is the new android software mixed with your location, your WiFi router, android os/Google services, and some apps. I know its not my apps but I haven't been able to figure out the root cause.
[Moto X General] ram130:
I feel the same...don't think I'm gonna do a factory reset again either. May not help and restoring over 100apps is a pain.

Well just know, your not alone. We only hope future updates fixes it.
[Moto X General] bso44:
Strange how some phones get bad idle drain while others don't. My first Moto X was draining anywhere from 15-20% overnight. I exchanged it and my current one gets about 6-8% overnight.
[Moto X General] plasticmoz:
Exact same experience for me.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
When I started reading your reply it sounded oddly familiar then I realized that I had already read most of your google post on the issue ha. I had not tried uninstalling and reinstaling the google Acc. Not sure what the Acc is but I'll look it up shortly. I read about that so long ago that I forgot to try it out. And I have done 3 factory resets so that doesn't work.

Could either of you two determine what caused the difference? I thought about exchanging my phone for a new one because I heard of people doing that, but I honestly just figured that they probably changed something somewhere when they got the new device and that's what made it stop. I also saw people returning it after a couple days so I didn't know if some services were still syncing or something. I'm not against returning it but it is a pain to go through the whole process. I'll have to factory reset to remove root. And ill probably just use moto migrate to move everything to another moto phone I have before factory reseting. Then get a new phone. Then moto migrate everything. re root. do titanium back up. etc. etc.etc. never ending etc.s. Think its worth it? Could it be a hardware thing or what?

Edit: stupid me. you meant google account. But when I said google services I kind of meant android OS as well. I think the android OS shows up with a lot of usage because of things that googel incorporated in the OS with its google services etc. Not sure its true but I believe it is. I think my phone is constantly doing stuff with the OS because google is making it lol. Wifi seems to cause issues for some routers as well.
[Moto X General] bso44:
I honestly couldn't tell you what the difference is. They were both stock, unrooted with all the same apps and settings.
[Moto X General] waiflih:
sometimes a poor signal can drain a little faster. no idea why
[Moto X General] bso44:
It's because your phone has to push more power to the radio to maintain a signal.
[Moto X General] monkey082506:
I'm currently in Montana, my Moto X is constantly on H+ up here, battery life hasn't been as good as LTE. Screen on time is roughly 2 hours with 12 hour battery life around 20%.
[Moto X General] ram130:
lol. Yep. I've been posting over there. It seems you may have more drain than me. How much % do you loose in a 4 hour span without touching it?

Anyway I partially agree with that mixture of services. It doesn't explain why my nexus 7 Android OS is so low. It's 6mins CPU usage after 10 hours where as my Moto X is 6mins after 2hours. Especially the NLP Wake lock crap that I CAN'T for the love of god get rid of.
[Moto X General] phositadc:
People need to start posting over at the Moto forums about this problem. They've actually got Moto employees there answering questions and reporting issues to engineers.

Sent from my HTC One mini
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
i just ran a test again last night. after one weeks i was getting almost 2% per hour. Now it is two weeks and I just got my best at .8% per hour last night with wifi on. But I should be getting far better than that. I have almost full bars, wifi on, 60+ apps frozen, 6 apps greenified, good wifi connection, location reporting turned off, gps off, bluetooth off, only google service i use is google now and gmail, and Im considering returning the phone today for a new one but I just want to be sure that it is a hardware issue rather than a software issue. Software issue then I wont return and just wait for updates, hardware issue then I need to return as soon as possible before I slightly damage the phone or something.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Interesting. I get nearly 1%/hr to 1.5%. And 0.4% on my Nexus 7.

I'm not rooted so didn't try freezing. But I'm mainly looking at the processes causing the drain with Better Battery Stats and GSam. I recommend you use it and post a screen shot for Partial wake locks like this:

And GSam:

Or which ever you choose.

Charge to full or at your current charge just enable watch dog for screen off in BBS and then turn your screen off and wait 4hours and open it. Then select since Screen off like your see in the above pic. Or goto menu and select custom reference.

For GSam just press the + to create a custom reference before putting it to sleep.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
yes i have posted stuff several times and searched all over for answers to several of my issues. I'm talking countless hours of searching and reading about certain wake locks and kernal locks, partial locks, looking at alarm manager. Pulling the lib for alarm manager to see which things were calling on it so often. Researching that. It is just never ending trying to figure out the culprit. And the culprits change a lot too. The main one is qcom_rx_wakelock and power manager services and alarm manager (various ones and types) for partial wake locks. qcom_rx_wakelock also changes to something else if I'm not on wifi. Forget what it is but it cause the same drain.

I haven't tried the watchdog stuff. Will do but not sure it can give me any more info than I got.
[Moto X General] ram130:
From my understanding those are normal. Don't think the watchdog thing will help. Maybe the X is a little more strick than normal. But otherwise I believe you might also have the NLP wake lock issue like I do. And that might be why.

I'm sure on my N7 I saw those processes you mentioned.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
don't have nlp problems at all. don't know why maybe its something i have frozen but that isn't causing any issues. and yes i know that they are normal wakelocks but the amount of times it is cued and the amount of time it runs is out of control. qcom sometimes runs for an hour and a half while the phone is at standby for 8 hours. thats far too much while it merely sits on my night stand.
[Moto X General] juancaperez2000:
May i ask what is nlp wakelock and how i can fixed or is harward related
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
Spend two hours searching through Google for the particular wake lock. I think it has to do with Google and location services. Don't think there is a solid fix for it.
[Moto X General] landeiro:
I did 5 hours with Opitmus G PRO Screen time in 59%. It´s better.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Well I guess we are both trapped. Until another update. I'd say. We should try to at least enjoy our phones.

I'm willing to look for those processes that's bugging you to see if I have the issue and it's just unnoticed.
[Moto X General] scottshebs:
my battery life is nowhere near anyone else's on here. any suggestions on how to fix this?
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
agreed. But i just haven't confirmed whether it could be hardware related or not. You probably would have noticed what i was decsribing already. Your phone will lose battery at a rate of 2 to 2.5% per hour. I barely have any partial wakelocks (time wise) but some thing is causing several things to cue constantly which is causing kernal wakelocks to be on for long amounts of time because they are opening and closing and staying on far longer than the partial wakelocks. IDK. It is like there is so much crap going on in the background that trying to figure out what could be the cause isn't even worth it.

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get betterbaterrystats. post screenshots of the others tab, your kernal wakelocks, and your partial wakelocks. We can help from there but the screenshot you just posted is not to useful in troubleshooting. Also consider testing your battery life with wifi off to see if it is your router that is killing your battery.
[Moto X General] AnMotass:
Stahp saying how good your battery is, i'm drooling because of it but i wont get Moto X till december ):

Btw Galaxy S Advance Battery life seems pretty the same than moto x at gsmarena stats. Isn't it?
[Moto X General] phositadc:
If you are experiencing bad idle drain and/or high Android OS usage, please go post in https://forums.motorola.com/posts/afdf80c0dc. I think actual Motorola employees monitor those forums and report issues to engineers.
[Moto X General] theraffman:
Has anyone observed a decrease in idle drain/ android system usage since the ota update?

I haven't changed anything, no new apps, same location, same Wi-Fi and BT usage... Actually played more games today than usual. And I'm already at 4 hours screen time with 39%battery left and android (os) usage is at 13% when it has typically been around 20%.

I'll continue to monitor my stats over the next few days, but it's a noticeable increase in battery life, with no notable changes besides the update. Curious if anyone else has observed this, because I haven't seen anyone mention it.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Funny. I thought I was bad. I'm at 1.1-1.4%/hr

I guess I fixed what ever issue was bugging yours. But I don't know what I did. Lol. I'm thinking of doing a factor reset since you said you don't have the NLP wake lock issue. I think its stuck on mine and related to location reporting. I did that test today on my N7. It lost nearly 10% in 10hours at 1.1%/hr. I think. And guess what the top partial wake lock was? NLP. Both of them.

I'm confident with it disable. They will get really low. And its back to 3% lost in 10hrs. At 0.3-0.4%/hr.

For some reason disabling on the X is NOT having the same effect. With you confirming its not an issue on yours. I'm led to believe something is getting stuck. And a factory reset should unstuck it. Also it could be the same stuck bug affecting another process on yours. Weird. Could have been after the update. But if I fix mine. There is hope.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
i decided I am going to return my phone. I'm outside the 14 day stuff, but my phone just did a random reboot yesterday and dropped like 5% battery on the random reboot. That is just too weird for me to think its not some sort of hardware issue since only a few people I have seen have posted things similar to what I'm dealing with. Once I get a new phone, assuming they will give me one, I'll post an update to see if the issue is fixed or stays the same.
[Moto X General] rmead01:
Let me know how the phone exchange after 14 days goes. I was told that I couldn't do it unless it went through warranty exchange but I'm not sure how that process works but it wasn't going to be in the store.

Will add that sometimes that battery numbers will have drastic changes when the phone is rebooted. Pretty normal across android devices. It's just the battery reporting depending on usage. The calculations put the batt lvl on the screen based off what it should be with usage conditions. When you reboot, that equation can be returning a different answer than a moment before the reboot because variables have changed. I haven't had a single device that didn't show this behavior.

The one thing I want to add is that while the idle battery drain seems higher on this device, as everybody points out, the actual usage of the device is phenomenal. I'm wondering if the higher idle usage is just factored better into the battery graphs. Coming from my N4 the battery would idle like nothing, flat lined. As soon as I would use it it was like descending a mountain. The X on the other hand has a steady idle drain, and when in use the drain is also pretty idle, but not as drastic as many others devices.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
ya i agree. My main problem is that Im getting 15 to 20% drain per night with great cell signal and on wifi. Its almost like it doens't matter whether I'm using the phone for 4 hours or not a day because the drain is pretty similar. Not using it drains the battery at almost the same pace as using it... I know it won't happen in store but we will see. I think they just send you a certified preowned device.
[Moto X General] rmead01:
Yeah that sounds like it could be fishy. I'm still living with driving assistant not working. I actually don't use it, but I don't have the option to even if I did want to.

I took the OTA this weekend and lost root. So running on a full charge OEM setup with me manually disabling as many processes as it would let me, I went about 1 day 10 hours, 3 hours screen time, had 14% when I plugged it in. Took off charge Saturday morning, charged Sunday night. I was plugged in for roughly 2 mins while transferring some files but I don't think it made more than a 2-3% difference.
[Moto X General] anotherfiz:
I am currently at 240 hours uptime on my phone (so 10 days since a manual reboot, never had a random reboot period), and i get consistently 5 hours of screen time over the course of a 36 hour battery life. I use motoroot rather than pwnmymoto, and ive disabled a ton of the bloat that other people have in their guide to low battery stats, frankly i dont think it changed it much.. maybe .2 %/hr, not much. I have active notifications on and touchless control on.. all antennas firing (verizon lte), and bluetooth / gps on. Frankly the phone is great, I have no complaints... I just wish i had a few of the cyanogenmod features, like reply to txt from notification bar and stuff like that.
[Moto X General] rmead01:
You can add that function if you use pwnmymoto. you just need /system write privileges.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
so i was only 4 days late of the 14 day period and the guy and the manager tried to figure out how to get me a new phone instead of getting one shipped but because I bought it online they couldn't figure out a way around it. I was really close to getting a new one though. But from what he explained certified preowned should be new devices that people returned because they didn't like it not because something was wrong with it. Ill do more research into but I should have a new phone tomorrow or the next day. He also didn't even look at my phone just said ok and got me a new one. I love verizon stores actually owned by verizon. The people there give far superior support and customer service.