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[Moto X General] Steve-x:
I don't think you looked hard enough. I have posted about my battery performance a few times, I never use wifi. I am on LTE or HSPA all day and have had 4 or 5 hours of on screen time, 5 google accounts syncing. I get great battery life.

The only exception is when I am in an area that indicates a so/so signal but in reality surfing is near impossible. In the one specific location I am thinking of my battery life will really suffer, not because I have no signal but because the phone just tries over and over again to move the data for syncing etc and it takes forever.

I also did another experiment for fun. I have a spare Moto X so I have left it idle, wifi disabled, in that state the battery will last 4 to 5 days. However if I disable active notifications and touchless control it will last 2 to 3 weeks. In this case I believe it is touchless control causing most of the drain as active notifications wouldn't be displaying anything.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
what carrier are you on? I wasn't disagreeing that your phone may not get bad battery drain in low signal. I was more meaning that if oyu had two phones in your pocket with the same set-up (and same signal) but on different carriers the idle drain might be different. Especially gsm from cdma or possibly different bands that are being used. Just an idea.

I do feel like most phones these days when they don't have a signal but are still on wifi don't drain nearly as much as when they aren't on wifi and still have the same poor signal.
[Moto X General] :
Yeah, carrier could have something to do with it. Tho I'd still say the worst battery drain would be syncing over weak signal on data. But yeah...carrier could be an issue too.

I'm on Telus in Canada. ;)

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[Moto X General] Rockliveson123:
I here average battery life. Some days great. Some days crap.

My Moto Made X
[Moto X General] jjl468:
I actually had really good battery life last charge, so maybe the problem fixed itself, but here's some screenshots anyways.
[Moto X General] spencer88:
I'm still getting Android OS being either 1 or 2 top usages of my battery. Current CPU total for Android OS is 1 hour and 43 minutes :/
[Moto X General] mschumacher69:
Same here, hope to get 4.4.2 soon to solve this problem once and for all!
[Moto X General] Mayze23:
I wouldn't count on it. Android system is always towards the top of the list on my nexus 7 (2013) running 4.4.2. Looks like it's a kit Kat issue.
[Moto X General] mschumacher69:
Android System is different, we're talking about Android OS which drains the battery on the 4.4 Moto X.

Even if Android System is on top of the list on your Nexus 7, I'm sure it's not draining the battery as much as Android OS is on the 4.4 Moto X.
[Moto X General] MajorTankz:
Hate to burst your bubble, but there are certain wakelocks, namely radio_interference, that only occur when you have low signal strength. Low signal strength is a detriment to battery life no matter the circumstances.

Moto X | Stock Unrooted
[Moto X General] :
Just not for me? LOL

Hate to burst your bubble....but I am always in the lower end of signal strength and there are very few posters with better battery life stats than me.

So once again....agree to disagree? ;)

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[Moto X General] MajorTankz:
I've already done the comparisons between good and poor cell reception and so have dozens of people in this thread. The only one who hasn't is you. That's why there are people disagreeing with you.

Not to mention your signal looks fine to me so I don't know what you define as poor signal anyway.

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[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
he is on a cnadian carrier telsus (or something like that). I still think carrier has something to do with it. How each carrier deals with a poor signal in their software builds could be directly contributable to the amount of wakelocks present/battery drain/ etc.

it could also change how the phone deals with weak signal when connected to wifi. Clearly the carriers that can use wifi signal for phone calls like tmobile wouldn't have the need to search for signal at all when it is connected to wifi... IMO
[Moto X General] :
Makes no difference to me. People can blame others signal for bad battery life til the cows come home. LOL

Gsam is a great tool to see what is eating up a battery. If it says radio, so be it. Haven't seen that too often, but I'm sure it happens.

Again.....and for the last time....my only objection came at someone telling someone that their poor signal was the cause of their battery drain, with nothing to back that claim up at all. Anything could have been eating their battery...but they were simply told its their signal...with no other checking or questions at all. That's ridiculous. So now that person goes off, living with poor battery life and thinking there's nothing he can do about it.....when 5 other huge issues could be killing his battery as well .....even on top of poor signal. Its poor and easy advice.

So my point....if you aren't going to take the time to dig and actually help someone out.....don't bother replying. Especially with a quick and easy answer that doesn't even scratch the surface of the issues they could have.

And screen shots of the stock battery stats screens are nearly useless. Ask them to get Gsam....and tell them when and what to screen shot.

Troubleshooting 101.

Rant over and subject closed for me anyway. ;)

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[Moto X General] MajorTankz:
Again, we dug up the evidence a long time ago. You're just late to the party.

And FYI, the percentages that GSam attributes to the phone radio are estimates. The side effects of poor signal strength are mostly attributed to kernel/Android OS usage because they are wakelocks. Kernel usage from GSam dips far more than radio usage does between poor and good reception.
[Moto X General] :
No one asked (the previous person told it was his signal) about wakelocks.

Do you not see the point of my last post at all? If you investigate....and it was poor signal and wakelocks, great. But just seeing his signal levels and saying "yup, it's your signal" is not helping.....at all.

Again....if someone wants to pawn off easy answers without even seeing a USEFUL screenshot.....don't bother, cause you aren't getting the xda community spirit. ;)

I'm not arguing about weather or not poor signal drains battery....for some it may......I'm arguing about people not finding this out for sure....and guessing. On a case by case basis.

K.....sorry to clutter the thread with repetitive nonsense. I'm out of this particular discussion. :)

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[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
I've been having a wakelock for the phone app killing my once beautiful battery life. I converted to user app, I greenified it. It helped intermittently. It seems SMS related. Googled it, got minimal results and no substantial help. Any assistance appreciated. I even went back to full stock and switched to CWM due to an unrelated issue with TWRP not wiping properly on multiple factory resets.

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Today. Low signal mostly:
[Moto X General] :
Wish I could get those standby times. LOL

Best I can do is 0.9. ;)

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[Moto X General] syntrix:
About time, was about to unsubscribe here.

I dropped my X on a fish, and it still gets amazing battery life! :good::good:
[Moto X General] :
I was the only one? Lol

Not to mention I am in this thread helping people frequently, not just jumping in to crack off....so if it bothers you....by all means, unsubscribe. ;)

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[Moto X General] jjl468:
I actually had this exact same wake lock and a restart fixed it, but some people mentioned that T-Mobile Visual Voicemail could be causing it, so I would investigate that if you haven't already.
[Moto X General] :
I barely ever use my phone as a phone...LOL.....but haven't seen this on my x yet. I did see it a lot on my s2. And as already mentioned, a reboot fixed it....tho eventually I discovered I could just force stop it. Seemed to happen on the s2 like every other call. It would get hung up in memory after a call and keep the phone awake.

Unfortunately I never really found a solution, but cause I don't take or make a lot of calls I never pursued a solution .....other than force stopping phone after a call.

Hope u find out why....would love to know. :)

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[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
I too barely use my phone, I thought it had something to do with sms and email cause they were bugging out recently but since I flashed fresh they work fine but this wakelock showed back up with a vengeance. I also thought it had something to do with me installing the Google dialer but as of now I haven't put it back. I must say though the MotoX lasts well at 384mhz...

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[Moto X General] ram130:
I see. Can you do a test for me? Do you have touchless enabled?
[Moto X General] :
I froze it....active notification too ...but that one won't go away. LOL. Active is gone from settings...yet I still get them. Strange.

So yeah...at this point, I froze every single Motorola app. Tho active still is working. LOL

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[Moto X General] ram130:
I can confirm active is very minor on battery. So go ahead and enable it back. Besides there is other stuff than freezing it to disable it.

Anyway. Unfreeze touchless. Reboot. Then goto apps then all. Uninstall updates. Force stop. Disable. Reboot. Confirm force stop is already grayed out. And report back your hourly drain in stand for a few hours.
[Moto X General] :
I will do all that to the letter tomorrow night. I'll charge full before bed. Tonight I finally have to charge after 1day 11hours with 6:45 screen time. ;)

My standby time might have room for improvement ....but overall I'm still wow'd by the battery life. ;)

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I'll report what I get after tomorrow night. Thanks! :)

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[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
I'm waiting for the incoming 4.4.2 update before I freeze and app ops / disable again. Hopefully the patch is good enough to not have to bother.

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Lol thanks man. All you did was freeze apps and get that screen on. Just insane! I'm sure WiFi is also a factor. But wow.
[Moto X General] Barktooth:
Help!

I just don't know what is eating my battery. I have all the location services off, autosync on only for the contacts, calendar and gmail. Touchless controls on (I tried disabling them... but it's the same battery drain). I've done a hard reset 5 days ago. All stock with 4.2.2. What can I do to improve the battery life??... my idle drain is just awful (~3%/h... over the night that means ~20% of battery drain). My BBS are below. Any clues? Thanks!
[Moto X General] dustPile:
I saw the same thing with the T-Mobile Visual Voicemail. Once I opened that app my phone would not sleep until a restart. I tested a couple different ways of closing/greenifying it but in the end I just uninstalled as I don't get that much voicemail I can just do it the old fashioned call in way.
[Moto X General] snoking:
Here is a look at my stock phone. GPS on, touchless and all three assist functions. Maybe WiFi once for a app update. Strong LTE signals.
[Moto X General] mavericktc:
For us who don't have 4G carriers/band not supported, will I get improved battery switching to "WCDMA preferred"?

I did that choice two days ago but it seems the other way, the battery drains quicker.

Doesn't 4G take more juice compared to 3G?
[Moto X General] weldawadyathink:
You could also install Google voice. It does the same thing and I have never gotten battery drain from it. (except of course when you get a voice-mail)
[Moto X General] dustPile:
Thanks. I'll try setting that up today.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
The same thing happened to me, wakelock on phone app even when I wasn't using it. I just force closed it at the time. Not sure what caused it but i'll try looking at visual voicemail.
[Moto X General] :
Well...finally was able to do this. Went further and froze a few apps that tend to wake the phone...not serious battery drainers...but just wanted them out of the picture to test.

So, with wifi on....1.1% per hour....in airplane mode 0.8. Not much of a difference either way.

I think I'm gonna stop pursuing this under 1% per hour drain monkey and just not worry about it. Lol. As I've said many times...my battery life overall is in the top ranks, even with 1 percent per hour drain. I pretty much charge every night anyway...and usually have 40 percent or more left after an average day. (6am to midnight) But I charge overnight cause going to bed at 40 percent won't get me through the next work day...unless I barely touch it.

1 percent'ish per hour drain is not too shabby anyway. Untouched the phone could go about 4 days on standby. That's pretty good! ;)

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[Moto X General] RenSoAbrupt:
Probably my best so far in terms of close to a full day usage.

Have to go get my LTE SIM and check out what SOT I will get.

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[Moto X General] :
I'm wondering how 4.4.2 is treating peoples batteries? Haven't had time to flash it yet.

I'm curious cause just a few days ago I put it on my N7....and just now I grabbed it. 19 hours, 1 percent lost. Gsam says 0.1 percent per hour...but it can't go lower than that. LOL. That's the best standby I've seen on it. Granted it is not running near as much stuff as my phone...but maybe 4.4.2 has even better battery life than 4.2.2.

The N7 lasted me about 5days with 7 hours screen time...roughly. gonna see how it is now. ;)

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On davlik BTW.

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[Moto X General] Jamolah:
4.4.2 on ART seems to be giving me poor battery life. Only around 2 hours and a half screen on time vs 5 hours SOT on 4.2.2
[Moto X General] :
That's a common complaint on many devices. Art is unfinished ....I wouldn't touch it personally. :)

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Lol. I never gave up. But I'll admit it ranges from 0.7-1.1 depending on the background apps and their behavior. But try making your phone die more. It helps. Trust me.

Also WiFi is terrible with stand by on the X. I'd let it turn off when the screen is off. If you haven't noticed. All my results are on LTE only. So try that next time.

I'm assuming you had WiFi set to turn off in standby?
[Moto X General] herzzreh:
Caused by voicemail.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
So far my battery is the same or better considering I haven't

Greenified, App Opps, or disabled services yet. Considering my normal play music usage is about 30-45 mins a day I think I can break my last SOT record. This weekend I plan on testing out standby drain.

Otherwise I'm loving 4.4.2 on ART. Just as good as my Nexus 5 was and much smoother than 4.4. Can't wait for the actual T-Mobile build and modems.

MotoX GSM Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock 4.4.2 Great Britain on T-Mobile !
[Moto X General] :
Nope. Wifi always on on n7. No Google now or location services of any kind tho. It's not got as many apps as my phone either. And its greenified to boot. But wow.....amazing standby.

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[Moto X General] mmikeee:
just got my phone last night and switched it to ART right away because of the performance and battery increase i've heard. anyone having problems with the moto x not being able to sleep though? i lost 15% last night because the phone wouldn't sleep.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
So whats the deal with idle drain on Wifi? I remember on my n4 people always said battery life was better on Wifi but on the moto x yesterday I left wifi off and got wayy better battery life than usual. Does it have to do with the freq, the wifi network, router? problems in 4.4?

overall have most people been getting better battery life without wifi? The android OS drain is pretty frustrating, I'm hoping 4.4.2 will fix it..
[Moto X General] iDroidGuy:
That's funny because on my Note 3 I can easily make it 10 hours and not even get to 30%

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It has to do with it constantly searching for a signal. If you are in a cement building and your phone isn't on airplane mode then it is constantly losing battery just attempting to connect.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Interesting. I'm averaging about 0.3%-0.5% in stand by with wifi off during stand by with Google now and location on.

I rarely hit 0.2%. I'm guessing you get a lot less notifications for emails, social stuff?

1. The Note 3 has a bigger battery.

2. He's referring to WiFi standby drain vs LTE. I agree on other phones it was the opposite.
[Moto X General] :
Sync is off, only get cozi notifications.

Wish my X had near the standby. Just installed 4.4.2....hardly any apps. Every option off...debloated...airplane mode and still 0.8 drain. LOL

Ah well...battery life for me seems just as good overall as 4.2.2. I'm happy. :)

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Lol why airplane mode? It's a phone no?
[Moto X General] :
Just seeing what I can get. Actually I only get a 0.3 percent difference between airplane mode on or off. Lol

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Lol guessing you tried my steps for disabling touchless control
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
4.4.2 I haven't re tweaked the phone yet. On 4.4 I had 1.2-1.5% per hour standby drain.

I had a similar experience with my nexus 5 but this is way better.

MotoX GSM Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock 4.4.2 Great Britain on T-Mobile !
[Moto X General] ram130:
Touchless enabled?
[Moto X General] :
Yup. LOL. Again....unless I'm gonna get 2days off the battery...which seems out of reach...for my usage...no matter my standby time....I'm done trying to lower my standby time. 1ish ain't bad. I can live with that. If I quit getting the great battery times I am getting, then I'll worry. :)

I also believe not all phones are created equal. Lol

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Lol no problem. I wanted to find some main causes and share them with Moto. But looks like I was right about them being on the right track. I should get my 4.4.2 officially soon. Maybe next week. #soak.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
I'm glad you asked cause I didn't mention. I never disabled touchless since I got the phone. I use it daily.

Currently I have only disabled:

Hangouts

Google +

Play movies TV

Play games

Chrome

Stock launcher (Apex FTW)

I'm hoping I don't have to freeze or tweak much. My phone was starting to get a little buggy with all the hacks and tweaks.

MotoX GSM Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock 4.4.2 Great Britain on T-Mobile !
[Moto X General] :
That's my point about all phones not being equal. LOL

I've froze WAY more..sync and location off....greenified....and even in airplane mode I couldn't get that.

Unless someone has really high standby loss...which should be easily troubleshot...I wouldn't worry too much about it. ;)

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And I'll add...if someone is a very light user and really really wants great standby times.....get a Moto G. :)

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Interesting. I wonder what your hourly drain was like on just 4.4.

I think they optimize it more though.
[Moto X General] syntrix:
Yeah, start disabling services, then you have apps that rely on those services...

BATTERY DRAIN

That's a common thing.

What you don't know is that GSAM is a friendly app, but poll every 30 or 60 seconds and does a huge battery drain. I unistalled GSAM because of another issue and my battery life got even better!
[Moto X General] :
Screens? ;)

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[Moto X General] syntrix:
I might have some from my droid charge days, but not likely.... won't ever fall into that obvious trap again. How many years ago was that?

Sounds like you might be in a trap and don't know it!
[Moto X General] :
Maybe....but still smiling with my 1 day 5 hour average and 6 hours screen time. ;)

You obviously don't understand us who wanna get the most out of our batteries....and go out of our ways to achieve it. And that's great...its your choice. Just as tweaking, playing and testing to stretch our battery life out as much as possible is our choice.

Kk? Have a good one. :)

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[Moto X General] Indignao:
More screenshoots and less explanations!
[Moto X General] iandr0idos:
Where did screen go?
[Moto X General] :
Screen didn't take as much juice as that stuff.....that's all.

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[Moto X General] :
So I've gone the other way. Lol

Since I need to charge daily at some point, cause 2 full work days with my use is out of reach, and I usually get up at 6...take phone off charger and by midnight I have 40 percent or so left when I plug in......so I've rebloated a bit, turned on location services (wifi/data only...not GPS), turned on Google now, froze Lux and am on auto brightness now and put a couple things back on sync.

I figure if I'm always plugging in with 40 percent or so left (charging at night cause I like to start the day full)....may as well make use of it.

We'll see how it compares over the next couple days....with my 30 hours with 5 to 6 hour screen time average my phone is capable of...and gets easily on the weekends when I run full battery cycles.

Will update in a couple days and see how running lean and dim compares to living it up with all these things running....and especially auto brightness vs. Luxs. ;)

On 4.4.2 (Rogers) running davlik now.

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[Moto X General] zerogun:
Setting for Battery Life

I've read through a lot of the thread, but it was just too long!... Anways, I just want to share my settings for you folks with issues. I was able to go from 3 hours screen on time with a full day's use, to 6 hours screen on time and 36+hours of use. Here is what I did.

For my phone, the things that absolutely kill battery are, in order: NLP Wakelock (network location provider), Facebook, Instagram. These three things would keep my phone awake 50% of the total time it was on battery.

Obviously, many of us know how to Greenify Facebook and Instagram. However, we don't want to greenify Location Services (which calls NLP Wakelock) because once greenified I would have to go in an turn location services on, then off again to make it work. My recommendation is to use App Ops (an Xposed module) and then go into Location Services, and turn off ability for Location Services to "Keep phone awake".

This still allows apps to use location services, and still use the NLP when your screen is on and awake, but not when the screen is off and the phone wants to go to sleep. After I did this, NLP went from 3 hours of keep awake, to 2 minutes.

A word of caution. After I did the above, Google Now still works but Moto Assist doesn't always kick in. Moto Assist CONSTANTLY uses NLP Wakelock provider to determine when you are moving fast. It then assumes you're in a car and turns on Moto Assist. So if NLP Wakelock isn't keeping your phone awake, then it won't work as well. I don't really use Moto Assist so I can live without it.

YMMV, but for me, it's made this phone a killer phone. I go 24hours+ with 5-6 hours SOT easily. All with Active Notifications, Camera double twist, and Touchless Controls still on.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
Thanks for the suggestion, will try this and report back!

For me it seems android OS uses a lot of the battery and among that the kernel has a lot of battery usage..