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[Moto X General] tu3218:
I know most people will dismiss this, but I've been using Clean Master lately and I really think it's helped my battery life out. I originally just installed it to clean out some cache, but it's been pretty helpful I believe in extending my phone. It often gives me messages about certain apps taking up too much battery, and it closes them down for me. I also hit the "boost" button, which frees up ram every time I unplug my phone in the morning so if any app over night starting running for some reason, this closes it out. I've always dismissed these apps but this one has been pretty good. I like that it's not really a task manager and you just close everything(I do use that feature only in the morning though), but it monitors if any app is killing battery and allows you to end it. Basically what Gsam, CPUSpy, and all those apps do except this gives you the option to close it right there. Anyway, it's worth a shot to try if you've been suffering from battery issues.
[Moto X General] :
I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree. ;)

Android is designed to run with lots of ram used....not free. what you are doing is kicking apps out of memory, then when you want them, they need to load again....putting the CPU under a bigger load....therefore using up battery life. Apps sitting idle and still loaded on memory aren't using up battery life.

And many apps will just keep restarting on their own....using more and more battery up....instead of leaving them idle in memory.

Of course some apps do kill battery when left running...that's where Greenify can help to hibernate them.

Anyway....if you're seeing better battery life, its only cause you happen to be killing a bad app or two. But you're losing out reloading other apps constantly. :)

Better to determine the battery draining apps and Greenify those only....and leave the rest alone. Anyone who knows how Android works will agree. Free ram is wasted ram. ?
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Not only do I agree but there is a much simpler way to do this. Developer Options and check don't keep activities. When you exit an app it kills it, same effect. I've tried it and I was to annoyed with having to reopen everything to care
[Moto X General] unsivil_audio:
I'm not going to get into it, but I strongly disagree with you Kj. I've heard the rhetoric over and over but it just simply isn't true. That said, it doesn't apply to modern phones like the X, it doesn't have hardware limitations like the standard phone two years ago.
[Moto X General] :
I think you have it backwards friend. ;)

It would be a hardware limitation to have to clear apps from memory. A modern "android" phone is built to run with apps sitting in memory idle, for faster opening or activation when called upon.

This isn't my opinion...its a fact of the android architecture. And as a fact, every single developer and other highly knowledgeable android users will ALWAYS tell you not to use task killers.

They are responsible for far more battery loss than savings.

I'm sorry if you disagree.....but its widely known this is how android is designed.

Cheers! :)

P.S. just Google "are android task killers necessary" and read up. ?

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Start a thread on this....and see the overwhelming agreement with this fact.

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When I see battery times comparable to the ones I've posted in this thread, with task killers being used.....I'll eat my hat. ?
[Moto X General] tu3218:
Here's the thing though, its not be utilized as your traditional task killer. I know I know, that android handles tasks in its own way and that it is completely pointless to kill all apps because then they just have to reopen, resulting in increase CPU usage. However as I stated in my original post, all this app is doing or how I'm using it is monitoring any rouge apps that Dont effectively close and end up running and running and ultimately killing my battery. So no, I'm not closing all my apps all throughout the day like you think. Just in the morning for a fresh start. But that's just an experiment that part. What I do know that has worked is the monitoring of any app that doesn't close property and wants to kill my battery. This app informs me and then I kill it manually through the app.
[Moto X General] :
Fair enough. Tho in essence, your basically rebooting after unplugging. No? Without rebooting. A valuable thing on an S2 I have...maybe any Samsung. Lol. Just never had the need on a Moto X, or N5. The Samsung would often have problems after unplugging, and a good habit was a reboot after going off the charger.

I see what you're doing. Not sure its needed on these devices, but then again not every same device runs the same.

So what you're doing is different, and not a regular thing. I suppose it could save an app from getting "stuck".

I hear you! ;)

My comments towards traditional task killers stands tho. :)
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
New measurement

So, KJ just ignore my questions... Ok. Post some new screenshots from yesterday.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Please keep in mind that this is a forum, not question and answer time with KJ. occasionally things get overlooked.

With that said, run one day without Bluetooth GPS and Wi-Fi and see if that android drain stops. Also install better battery stats it gives more statistics that might help.

You actually don't have a wake lock issue but something is constantly running on your phone. Most likely something constantly connecting to your phone is causing that amount of CPU strain
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
Unfortunately BBS is not as good works with non-rooted device, so...
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
My recommendations still stand. What Android version are you on?
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
4.4.2. I don't have Xposed expand module for statistic, no root. On the Android 4.4 Google cut the statistic from not rooted users.
[Moto X General] tu3218:
Well not rebooting, but just refreshing my device in a sense. I can't tell you how many times I unplug my phone, an hour later I'm down to 70-80% already. Go to look and some app just never effectively went to sleep. So that's why I've been trying the that step ONLY in the mornings. Cause yeah, I never need to reboot my X. I love it!

But yeah, I Dont have root so I'm limited in determining what apps can be hurting me so this is something I'm trying out. So far, seems to be working. Definitely hasn't worsened battery life or performance.

Yeah I agree. I'm a big advocate for not using task managers. Too bad your average android user has been brain washed since back in the gingerbread days and now they continue to do it. Heck, I see iPhone users closing out their apps allll the time. But then again I Dont know how apple handles apps. Let's not get into that lol
[Moto X General] ram130:
Turn off location for the next cycle. Also clear Google search data in settings then apps then all. Reboot. Report back.

- Ram
[Moto X General] :
I'm sorry, but XDA isn't the only thing I do with my time! ;)

Your screen shots show location is on...and being used a fair amount. That's steal battery life. Also you have some times with very weak and sometimes zero signal....that's a battery killer big time. If your phone is searching for radio signal.... The battery drops like a rock. Quickly.

Other than those, nothing else seems strange.
[Moto X General] :
Is someone experiencing the phone app preventing the x from sleeping after upgrading to 4.4.3? I already tried force closing and rebooting without success
[Moto X General] :
If you missed a call or ended one from a Bluetooth headset it tends to do that. More a bug in Android it seems.

- Ram
[Moto X General] :
Hum, but in that case I didn't even receive or made a call. I just opened the dialer to see the new design of it, nothing else.
[Moto X General] :
Do a reboot then. Or clear it's data.

- Ram
[Moto X General] Guilhermewpds:
Did both and it continues draining. What else can I do?
[Moto X General] ram130:
Try disabling it and hit force stop then reboot instead. See if it pops at all.

If not you may have to try a reset.

- Ram
[Moto X General] Guilhermewpds:
I checked and I can't disable it. So the only option is to reset, isn't it?
[Moto X General] ram130:
...well. You can try a partition cache wipe in recovery. Then clear data again. If still no go..can review apps you may have installed. Then reset. :(

- Ram
[Moto X General] oeusr:
Switched roms to LiquidSmooth. Really like it but I get not so great battery life and tons of wake locks. Anyone have any idea or want to point me in the right direction? already tried clean install... and use greenify, tasker to manage syncing every two hours, and lux
[Moto X General] :
See if the advice in this thread can help???

http://xdaforums.com/moto-x/general/moto-x-built-kit-kat-t2711998/page2
[Moto X General] oeusr:
Thanks for the quick and appropriate reply. I'll try it out and report back if it works
[Moto X General] :
I think the point was to reboot after unplugging from charged. That's how it was on my S2....always. Lol. Unplug, reboot. :)
[Moto X General] oeusr:
Did you have to do it every time with your S2? If that's the case I'll have to figure out a tasker profile or something. Too groggy in the morning remember to reboot after unplugging haha
[Moto X General] :
The S2 had a habit of Media scanner getting stuck after unplugging. So I and many others would reboot automatically after unplugging. Usually solved that and other things from getting stuck.

In fact my daughters Galaxy Tab 3 does the same thing occasionally. So I reboot it too.

Never had to on my X or N5....but I've seen posts on here that things happen, and the reboot would've fixed it. Not a fix I guess....but a quick easy workaround. ?
[Moto X General] oeusr:
Wanted to update.

Tried it twice, first as the topic you linked suggested, turn off after reaching 100% and unplugging and then turning back on. Also tried unplugging and then rebooting after the unplug. Still get the same wake locks. Oh well only have had this problem on LiquidSmooth so maybe I'll switch back to stock or try another rom.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
try flashing a different kernel. I believe how the kernel deals with wifi traffic and radio traffic is causing the problem. It is some app I'm sure that is causing it but how the kernel deals with it is probably why you are having the problems only on liquid smooth.
[Moto X General] :
This ^^^ definitely might help! ?
[Moto X General] oeusr:
Trying a kernel I found for cm. Do you guys know of any besides faux's?
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
I know there are a couple out there that I have seen. I thought faux was for stock builds though, But I could be wrong.
[Moto X General] oeusr:
It is, but it's the only one I can find other than one for CM. I applied the one for CM, tried the charge to 100% and turn off and back on trick but still get the wake locks. Has to be the rom
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
i have seen krypto kernel and faux kernel for stock builds. I have seen at least two other cm kernels although they may not have been developed for long and might be out of date. I just remember seeing them at some point. I think there may be one on a different forum but i cannot remember which. sorry.

But it still may be the kernel, just the kernel you flashed was the stock cm kernel with just a few tweaks or something. I mean some people make a custom kernel that doesn't really change all that much. Anyway, the bamdmux wakelock and one of the other ones were network traffic related to an app waking your phone up a lot because it you are connecting and disconnecting often from either wifi or network or something. The power manager service may also just be reporting wrong and the bam dmux could also be under the power manager service umbrella. I have seen my phone do that many times. Where one wakelock is actually showing up twice under two diferent services. I think power manager service is one of many default services where some wakelocks show up when the phone doesn't really know where it is coming from, but i could be wrong on that one.
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
So that the heck is that?

I continue to test my battery issue. Today I resets the phone. Reinstall the firmware with RSD Lite, restore to the defaults and start useing the phone. I don't login to any account, only my SIM inside and my Wi-Fi hotspot connected. BUT THERE IS THIS HECKING ANDROID OS BATTERY EATER! Can anybody helps me? The Location was off. I don't setup anything except my APN for mobile Internet.
[Moto X General] robstunner:
What do you think?
[Moto X General] aamir123:
Honestly I don't have a moto x I'm just reading these forums to help with my decision but according to what you provided those stats are about on par with the S3 I have right now, not good imo. Other people I've noticed are getting around 5-6 hours screen on time, maybe factory reset or factory exchange? Maybe someone with an actual device may confirm but if I got stats like that I wouldn't be too happy with my decision.
[Moto X General] robstunner:
The only thing I'm thinking is I've never drained the phone to zero. I wonder if that could be causing it. I've used it for over a week now though. Hmph.
[Moto X General] snrbobo:
My battery wasn't great at first. I did a factory reset and man it made a huge difference. Rooted it and froze some apps. Now I get awesome battery life. Try a factory reset first. If that doesn't do it I'd return it or replace it.
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Those of you with idle drain, is it the same with safe mode too?

Steps to go to Safe Mode:

Go to powermenu, tap and hold Power Off option, you will get a prompt to reboot into Safe mode
[Moto X General] robstunner:
That's what I did a while back
[Moto X General] anotherfiz:
I think 1-1.5% an hour is great considering NLP and Contextual awareness.(NLP is my single largest sleeping wakelock btw) Plus, i still get 24 hours + 5 hours on screen give or take depending on use.. As someone who plugs their phone in at night im not too conerned. Yes in a way I wish the idle drain was gone, because then i'd be getting more battery life... but id still charge it every day.
[Moto X General] snrbobo:
hmmm. well, if there's nothing else you feel you can do, replacing it might be the best option, unless there is something in the background eating your battery life away. sorry man
[Moto X General] plasticmoz:
Got my replacement yesterday, and I don't know what to tell you but drain is way better and battery life is significantly better than my previous unit which I tried just about everything to help improve the situation. This is with the exact same configuration and apps.
[Moto X General] statimoccidio:
So last night I lost 21% of battery while I slept(2-9AM). This is the worst I have seen yet from my phone. I had wifi on, gps on, bluetooth off.

Can anyone see something strange from my pics? I am new to this BetterBatteryStats app and am not sure what i am looking at..
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
I just order my moto x and haven't received it but I have been keeping up with the forums for the past several weeks trying to make my decision. I just thought of a possibility of battery drain increasing for some people. Not sure if this is at all possible but just an idea. obviously there are several reasons for battery drain with partial wakelocks, wifi, etc. but here might be another one.

do you think it is possible that if you slept with your tv on or with anything using words in the background that the phone could be trying to recognize a "ok google now" command during these times but if it was relatively quite or there were no words being spoken that the phone wouldn't be trying to decipher whether "ok google now" is being said or not??? seems like it would be a little crazy for that to change battery life but i figured id throw it out there.
[Moto X General] herzzreh:
Have you noticed that people with less drain have better signal than people with worse drain? Signal quality will make a huge difference.
[Moto X General] plasticmoz:
No, that is handled by a weaker core and wouldn't wake up the main CPU.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
ya i thought about that. But some people have battery drain without having really bad partial wakelocks. I haven't noticed where the battery usage statistics for the low power processor are so I didn't know if they could not be represented on the screenshots I have been seeing of people with bad battery drain.
[Moto X General] Serious_Beans:
I'm having bad drain...I installed something that is keeping my Google services from letting my phone sleep. I can't track down the problem. Anyone else having Google services keeping their phone awake?

Sent from my XT1053
[Moto X General] jbdan:
Be sure you check the device administrator and Googles fairly new service for remotely locating and wiping device. In security and your green Google settings icon app. Then give it a battery cycle
[Moto X General] grooks:
But it would turn on the screen. Not sure how long the screen stays on.
[Moto X General] plasticmoz:
It turns on part of the screen, the majority being black pixels which on AMOLED uses very little power. Plus, if the phone is face down it won't pulse. I tested idle drain both ways and with active notifications disabled on my previous device and they were still alarmingly high -- which is why I am not convinced that this is the problem. My replacement device has no such issues (with AN on).
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
I believe what was being said was that activating "ok google now" would wake up the screen. But i was not stating that the phone recognizing "ok google now" could leave be one of the culprits, but the phone analyzing voices but never actually recognizing a correct one. Maybe it uses more power in the low power processor when words are being spoken as opposed to no noise or just background noise.
[Moto X General] d4mi3n:
This might sound dumb but how do I factory reset? Is it through fastboot > factory option? Will this also remove root? The battery never drains when I'm using my phone, but idle drain is just atrocious.
[Moto X General] oeusr:
Check out past few comments above, I'm having a similar issue with Android OS and the subsequent wake locks. Haven't solved mine yet but maybe the suggestion from [MENTION=4036181]KJ[/MENTION] will help

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=53457241&postcount=2768
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
ok. So you both think that this, only switching off the phone when it's done charging and start it after unplug it will helps? Sounds crazy, but I promise to try. I don't see any other solution.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I've begun to notice, the more stuff I freeze, the faster my battery life takes a dive..

I was off the charge for 15 minutes, 94%

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
Yes, noticed that too. But I saw this only on Moto. With Nexus devices + CM freezing is a good move, but on Moto X this works wierd.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
you need to know what you are freezing. you could be freezing something that another app calls on and when it is not there the app freaks out and starts draining you battery. freezing stuff wouldn't hurt battery life unless it is causing this problem.

also you cannot base your battery life stats after a fresh install just from watching it one day. the phone can be doing things after a fresh wipe that it normally wouldn't do. i'd wait at least a few days before drawing any conclusions. the longer the better. also having bbs or gsam screenshots is the only way anyone can help you.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I noticed Android OS had sucked out 75% of my battery in the matter of 8 hours, no screen on time. This problem is just too hard to get a handle on.

Gsam screenshots or not, this battery shouldn't have this many problems with all the variants that you see.

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] ram130:
Do a reset..sign in to google at setup, uncheck anything saying location during setup. After a hour. Reboot. Charge to full, unplug.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I've already tried this.. No difference

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] ram130:
Step for step?
[Moto X General] abuttino:
Yes. When I unlocked, made sure not to select any location services. Nothing about that helped.. So this time, I decided to try your other suggestion.. Disabling location in motoid

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] ram130:
Ok. Find it odd. Because I did it myself. A day later Android os started but the next day it even out. Also tried it without restoring my apps first.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
What is going on with Android OS?

What services is it inclusive of, other things that take battery? What could be going on with this that could cause it to use a full lifetime of battery in less than 8 hours.

The messed up thing.. I can use my phone longer than I can have it on standby.. And, That doesn't make any sense at all

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
Pure

So I do like in the instruction: charged to the 100%. Switch Off. The screen is fired, tells me that battery is on the full capacity, then goes dark. I unplug the cord and start the phone. For about an hour my phone lost about 5%. I remember that I need to wait some time after wipeing phone, it need to shake down some OS stuff, but this is wired. Maybe my Wi-Fi router is bad or what? I use Asus AC68U with 5 GHz hotspot on the 159 channel. I tried my guest 2,4 GHz channel all the same. On the Russian 4PDA forum people tells me that IGMPv2 can do bad things with router, but I can't find that switcher to switch off the IGMPv2 on my router...
[Moto X General] ram130:
On your next cycle just unplug, make sure the screen turns on after unplugging, if not then turn it on and let it turn off itself. Second turn off WiFi this time to see if it affects anything.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Can you unlock the bootloader and root the phone?

Rooting will make it easier to find the culprit and definitely easier to stop it.

However, only do this if you planned to root anyway, otherwise I'd ask Motorola for a replacement because the phone itself might have an issue.

If you get a new phone and it doesn't do this, it was the phone. If the new one does it too, it's something about your setup.

I know it might not be the most helpful advice, but anything I would have recommended it seems you tried already.

Actually, what apps if any have you disabled?
[Moto X General] sylarm:
+ 1 :crying:

I'm from Portugal and the same problem, here.

This week something is killing my battery, I never had very good results (+- 2h30h till 3h OST), but now I have 1h or 1h20.

br
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
Ok.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
i had the same issue with the ac68u. it led me to go switch my phone out for a dev edition so i could flash a different kernel. The stock kernel for the moto x has weird issues with some routers. Try using merlins FW for it instead of the asus firmware.

I know even in the stock asus FW that guest network wasn't fully blocked from LAN for some reason so that could be why switching to guest network didn't solve the battery drain issue from the router phone weird connection.

It's also possible that it is just an app that is causing it to ping wifi constantly...