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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Edinburgh-male:
HI ALL, COMPLETE NOOB HERE

WAS SOLD A SAMSUNG GALAXY S3 I9300

I ALREADY HAVE ONE AND ITS ON GINGERBREAD HOWEVER THE ONE I BOUGHT HAS JELLYBEAN ON IT

HOW DO I GO ABOUT CHANGING THIS

STEP BY STEP GUIDE AND DOWNLOAD INFORMATION PLEASE :)

IF POSSIBLE - EMAIL TO Edinb_uk@hotmail.com
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DarkAlvy:
What do u want to do? Downgrade form Jelly bean to Gingerbread? why?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
I don't know why but my Nexus 4 WiFi download speeds are horrible, I can get 5 to 6 or near 12 Mbps with luck.

I have 100 Mbps DL 10 Mbps UL (and I get 100% of it) Router is an Asus RT-N66U.

Phone connects at 150 Mbps to my 5 Ghz band and at 65Mbps on the 2.4 Ghz band.

I use the less crowed channels in my area (48 and 1) according to network monitors I'm alone in those freqs.

Connecting to the 2.4Ghz gives me

4 Mbps DL / 10.40 Mbps UL ( So funny ... )

Connecting to the 5 Ghz gives me

25.80 Mbps DL / 10.91 Mbps UL ( Makes more sense but 25% DL Speed only)

I remember when I first got the phone, and I even got some results saved, that I was getting 65+Mbps DL.

I'm using stock JWR66Y ROM and stock kernel.

I could use some help.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Has you mentioned above about 150MBps and 100MBps is just the link speed so nothing to do with the internet, just local.

The speeds really either depend on the router or the device itself, did this occur before the update?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
As I said above my Internet speed is 100 Mbps on a gigabit Lan, not just link speeds. The link speed of the WiFi is indeed 150Mbps but with enough bandwidth it should output at least 65Mbps.

And yes this did occur in JWR66V as well, but with lower impact overall.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Try updating to JWR66Y.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
The original post problem was done when I flashed to JWR66Y, so :confused:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Try doing a speed test and post the results here.

Look at this, better then I ever got on a 5GHz network.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
This is over 5Ghz link speed 150 Mbps.

And this is my computer
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Mmmm, that's normal really so don't worry about that.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
How can that be normal, if I had results of over 65Mbps previously with this phone? For watching videos I don't care about this speed, but when I try to move large files, it does matter.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
True, could be to do with the radio or your ISP.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Really thinking about the Radio, either that or I'm clueless.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Since it was after the update it is most likely the radio.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Radio version 0.83 (JWR66N): 25Mbps

Radio version 0.54 (JDQ39E): 26Mbps

Radio version 0.48 (JDQ39 OTA): 25Mbps

Radio version 0.33 : 24.30 Mbps

No changes ...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dark Emotion:
Try this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2300873

EDIT: but you need root for that
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
I used that, and there is no difference at all :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
The problem resides on the JRW66(X) Rom (4.3) since in 4.2.2 speeds go back up to 60+ Mbps, and after doing a factory wipe and trying with and without tweaked values,I could not go past 26 Mbps.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steviewevie:
As I mentioned in another thread, I have the same problem. My wifi is almost unusable because it's so slow now. I noticed this after upgrading from stock JWR66V to JWR66Y using efrant's script (not blaming his script, just for info).

I assumed it was a V to Y thing because I hasn't noticed it before. It sounds like I should try going back to 66V to test.

Add also mentioned in another thread, it seems that disabling Wifi optimisation fixes the problem. Very odd.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
To recover my full speed I have to go back all the way to 4.2.2, I don't know why but it's like that :rolleyes:

Guess I will have to stick with this speeds until they fix it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
My speed problems are intermittent now, 3 speed tests after the device was sleeeping, 2 60+ Mbps results, and now back to 26Mbps max. :confused:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meangreenie:
Try putting this... gDataInactivityTimeout=200 ...... in your WiFi INI file, before the END marker.

Also have you tried untucking WiFi optimisation in settings? don't forget to disconnect/reconnect before testing.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
The WiFi optimization option, I have tried turning it off and disable/enable WiFi, turn it on / off and reboot, all the options I imagined and makes no changes at all to me.

I will try adding that in the .ini file, at the moment I'm doing the weekly backups, so I will try later and report back.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steviewevie:
I hate to sound like an echo, but me too. I was checking it this morning and I got a good speed whether I had Wifi optimisation on or off, unlike yesterday.

More testing required ...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
At least I know that I'm not alone with this problem, I will keep doing more tests, and wait for Monday, maybe google reads the forums and gives me some insight.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
With that line on the config file I even get WORSE speed, cant go past 16 Mbps...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Remove that line then.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Yeah guess I will do that, I'm going back to fully stock, I'm too tired of testing stuff, and I give up.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Try this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2300873
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anto.danny:
this thread makes me look poor :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Already been suggested here, thanks, but this changed nothing in 4.3 in 4.2.2 it did make some difference, nothing huge but in 4.3 I get 0 difference other than enabling the 40Mhz band, and that makes no effect on speeds.

Why? :eek:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Use Internet Speed Master and apply the patch, my download speed improved a lot.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Will give it a try.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Just tried that app, no changes. Seems to be a common problem now on 4.3 and Asus routers. :confused:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Strange because I have 4.3 and a ASUS Dual Band Router.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Can you run 2 speed tests and post results?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pjc123:
Same problem. When I updated from 4.2.2 to 4.3, my G wifi speed went from 20Mbps average to 10Mbps average. JWR66V and JWR66Y builds both have the same issue.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
With and without the patch from the app?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Doesn't matter, just run 2 consecutive tests, (if you have more than 26mbps internet though, if you don't it's pretty obvious you won't go to the cap)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Here are the tests:

Here is the speed test from 2 days ago:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Strange then, I'm clueless. thx
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
All I could think is either your ISP is limiting the download speed (which is messed up) or the WiFi drivers are not that well optimised.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
I just ran a test, so something tells me it's between 4.3 and this router.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Just fixed the image.

Yes you may want to look at it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Well as you can see my ISP doesn't limit my traffic at all so I don't know whats wrong ^_^
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Could be just Android 4.3 having support issues with the router, can you connect to other access points?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Sadly I don't have any other N access point around here. I will keep investigating, it's entertaining nonetheless.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
What are your router settings such has the security method (I don't want the key!)?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
For some reason, my firmware is not up to date (update it a week ago) and I got a very old update. I got the 2013.08.02 update, but asus already pushed 3 more versions.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
I would recommend updating the firmware of the router just in case they have a fix for Android 4.3's WiFi pattern or something.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
Now I have more problems, interesting :) Looks like this firmware needs a complete factory reset to work properly.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Of course, just factory reset it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
I can't even connect to the 5Ghz band now :cowboy: (But my laptop is still doing 90Mbps...)

I think my phone got a problem...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Strange...

Try an other kernel.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
It was a ****ing buggy Asus firmware, they have been trying to fix stuff on the 5Ghz band, and they are failing, so I used Merlin firmware now that I remember about it, I'm at max theorical speed of 20Mhz band, (72 Mbps) 60 down 12 up or 66 Mbps (54 Down 12 Up).

I will keep looking into this issue just to make sure it's not a "lucky" result.

Thanks all for the suggestions, this is why I love XDA :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Let's hope it goes well. ;)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
It went back to 26 Mbps on the phone already. :silly:

I'm mailing google right now, I got mad already.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
I'm not crazy or anything, speeds only lasted 5 minutes.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Now that is just true trolling by Google. O.o
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jak3z:
I had my laptop right next to my mouse, and my phone right next to my keyboard, I was doing 1 test phone, wait to end, 1 test on laptop, laptop was always 101 Mbps/104Mbps, phone was as you can see, so it's not my router, it's something being done by Android, atm I'm thinking about Radio overheating in the phone.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoolApps:
Yeah try talking to Google.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Geeba:
Sorry to drag up an old one here but I've just noticed my Wifi download speeds are atrocious! I had a lot of updates to do and I'm getting 30 - 40k max!

I've tried it on different routers and its the same so I have no doubt it the phone.... stock Nexus 4 OTA 4.4.2

Did anyone find an answer or did it fix for you in 4.4.2?

I'm on 2.4Ghz wireless...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] opssemnik:
try lastest ak kernel witch comes with new prima wifi drivers.

ps: u need to be on 4.4.2 to use it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rasengan82:
I am having the same damn issue. My wife's S4 gets 25 Mbps same as my laptop. My Nexus 4 gets only 3-5 Mbps.... this is so messed up. I remember when I just got the phone (4.2.2) I was getting 25 Mbps. I think it went all downhill since the 4.3 update...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hamedunix:
Did you guys try a factory reset? I kinda have this issue, although in my case I feel it lags more than it should over WiFi.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RASTAVIPER:
Just try different Wifi channel at router while running SPEEDTEST at mobile,in order to see which gives better results.

I was getting 20mbps at beginning and after just changing wifi channel.I managed to reach 35mbps (I have 50mbps vdsl line).

Unleashed by my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxguard:
I have had this problem. I have tried 3 different routers and for the first say 30mins that the router is turned on I get full speeds. Then all off a sudden on my N4 alone my speeds drop to about 1.5-2 but my misses on her iPhone gets top speeds.

I'm running PA4+ and Franco kernal.

Would love to get a fix as I can't even stream from YouTube!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tamisoft:
Have the same problem, after a lot of trial and errors it seems there is majorly wrong with the wpa_supplicant + hw drivers interractions on the phone.

Try to make your access points unencrypted (OPEN) and observe...

This is bad if you don't have a way to install landing portals for your network. But sure enough fixes 2.4 and 5Ghz performance as well.

I have tried the following AP configs:

OPEN,WEP, WPA1+TKIP, WPA1+CCMP, WPA2+TKIP, WPA2+CCMP

And only OPEN gets me the full performance.

Update: later I found this: https***productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/z1yDXPYLfVg

Sad-sad thing for all N4 owners.:(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pjc123:
I have experienced slow wifi performance on my Linksys WRT54G router (speed cut in half) ever since I updated to Android 4.3 last August. No updates since then have fixed the problem and I have tried every combination of changes and fixes under the sun to solve the problem, but I finally gave up.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pieinthesky10:
Im using a Billion 7800n ADSL WiFi router, no issues here. Using Nexus 5 Experience ROM on my Nexus 4. Pulling down things off my home server quite quickly and no drops.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] taodan:
Search for a flashable zip file WIFIFIX solution by Kalo in the development. You will see a different after flashing the fix!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kensiko32:
Same here, rtn-66u and 5 GHz won't do any good, 2.4 GHz fine. I don't get it, all other computers are on 5 GHz and speeds are awesome

Envoyé de mon Nexus 4 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pjc123:
Every time there is a new Android update, I say to myself "This is the one that will fix the slow WiFi undocumented feature that was added in version 4.3". Sadly 4.4.3 is another failure in that regard.
[Android General] miteshlakhwani:
Hello,

Sry for being a bit noob.

I m having a laptop with this Intel WiDi thing in it. I had seen some videos on it but never use it personally.I also use a raspberry pi as media center n low power torrent download machine. recently I bought an android Tv Stick (t 428) its very nice. (for Skype,games & media stuff)

So I was just wondering is there any way to use my tv Stick to pair up with Intel wifi display?

Please do reply...

As tv sticks are very popular now a days n they are really capable of doing such amazing :cool: things then y not it?

Regards

Thanking you

Sent via Xperia P (Running on Enigma Rom with Nemesis kernel)
[HTC Sensation] rareshutzu:
I can't find any guides about how to install a different (but compatible) kernel, zipped, on a S-ON device. I know I need the kernel to be in .img form and not .zip. Can anyone lead me to a guide, or give me some advices on how do I actually do it?
[HTC Sensation] Nicx59:
So you want .zip or .img?

At title it says ''Zip not .img'' And later it says ''to be in .img form and not .zip''

Anyways, with the .img one; you need to find a correct boot.img, then follow this;

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1631861

Scroll down, find the ''Extra 1: Flashing "boot.img"''

If this is what you're looking for..

Someone smarter should correct me if I was wrong.
[HTC Sensation] rzr86:
each kernel in development section comes with zip format
[HTC Sensation] rareshutzu:
There's a mess in my head right now and I can't explain exactly what I want. I apologize.

I have a S-ON HTC Sensation, that means when I want to install a new rom I need to enter bootloader and fastboot the boot.img. Then enter Recovery and flash the rom in zip form.

What if I want to install a new Kernel (a compatible one, as i said) but which is in zip form as the rom. How do I get the boot.img out of it so I can flash the zip afterwards? Because I understand that zipping it normally without any boot.img might get me some errors.
[HTC Sensation] rzr86:
i think i know what are you talking about

do you have 4ext recovery installed?

if not then install 4ext and before flashing any rom or even a kernel enable smartflash from it

you just avoid the step for flashing the boot.img manually

with smartflash feature you don't need to flash any boot.img
[HTC Sensation] rareshutzu:
Great. That's exactly what I wanted. To not flash boot.img anymore. I'll try and let you know
[HTC Sensation] Far_SighT:
FYi, Boot.img comes with every kernel. Open the zip on your pc look around and extract it.

JAM THAT THANKS BUTTON.

Happy to help.
[LG Revolution] betatest3:
EXTREME REVO HD!

A ROM offering great, performance, stability and good battery life.

You know the drill, backup BEFORE installing.

GPL:

The kernel included in this ROM is called Blitzkrieg you can search for it in the search bar(or google). I have not altered anything.
[LG Revolution] betatest3:
More Xposed Modules

More modules for the Xposed framework, can be found here:

http://repo.xposed.info/module-overview

Most are for ICS/JB/KitKat but some will work on GB.

Ones that will work on GB:

http://repo.xposed.info/module/com.spazedog.xposed.additionsgb
[LG Revolution] betatest3:
MODS: please delete.
[LG Revolution] Sleepykat:
I got a bit confused with your title. Is this ROM deleted? I wouldn't mind seeing what my old LG can do...1.9GHz? I'm still on zv9 but since I modded, it fails OTA to ZVB. I need to remember how to update the ROM.... it's been a while.:confused:
[LG Revolution] betatest3:
No its not deleted, edited the post and did not change the title.

And it is 1.9GHZ, oc'ed

This ROM wont go to ZVB, unless i get a stock zip.

You cant ota with CWM installed, i have tried and failed.
[LG Revolution] gunzup3:
Just put this on my wifes revo, other than a few force closes and the battery level in the status bar it seems to be alright. Pretty quick for what it is.
[LG Revolution] betatest3:
Ok great, thanks for trying it out, the battery is due to some PNG's missing.

The FC's are probably due to the PNG's missing from the apk, and as it cant find the PNG's it FC's
[LG Revolution] redwolves:
Cool, dude. I need to start ripping on mine. I jumped to a G2 and have been busy with it. I now have a VS910 I can brick as much as I want.

---------- Post added at 12:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:13 AM ----------

The VS980 is an amazing device, but I'll try to jump back here for a bit.
[LG Revolution] jamRwoo:
My phone died and I am back on my Revo...it's been quite the haunting experience. Makes me indescribably happy to see development hasn't halted entirely since I left this phone so long ago. Will get this installed in short order and let you know how it goes.

What is needed to get a stock zip of ZVB?

EDIT: Literally laughed out loud at my absurdly outdated signature.

EDIT2:

What Android versions do these not work on? And if they don't work, can they be removed?
[LG Revolution] betatest3:
You just flash it over any android version you already have, but ONLY on the LG REVOLUTION.

To get a zip just, unroot, ota to ZVB, reroot, make a backup, and send it to me, at which point i can get a ZVB ROM pushed out.

And some features of this are not ready, a am working as fast as i can to get features made or ported.
[LG Revolution] betatest3:
V2!

Version 2 is here!

It has some new features(Xposed).

The battery icon is not fixed, it will be fixed later.
[LG Revolution] crazymonkey05:
This is a nice rom, very smooth and nice if you can fix the obvious bugs then I would say it's the best Tom for the revolution. Btw how do you get themes to run? I looked all over and couldn't find a theme manager?
[LG Revolution] betatest3:
Theme manager does not work, i rushed to get this ROM released, because I lagged too long.

So in V2.1 OR V3 it should work, and the status bar in V2.1.
[LG Revolution] nolimit208:
Is the hidden LG menu in this build. ##program910 with 00000 force closes, and ##lgservicemenu I get a ringing tone.

I want to access the test battery option so I can use my extended battery which gives me not genuine battery.
[LG Revolution] ganggreen30:
where is the status bar

theres no pulldown notigication bar
[LG Revolution] ganggreen30:
Dude this rom reboots constantly

Sent from vzwLG G2 bumpn gums
[LG Revolution] crazymonkey05:
I had installed this rom on my bros LG revolution and have had no probablems other then the ones specified by the Dev..... try a clean install and don't restore a titanium back up
[LG Revolution] betatest3:
Well after a long time of absence i am back.

I have also decided to clean up the bugs in Extreme Revo HD.

I will have all bugs fixed ASAP, they cant be tested because a have upgraded to a better phone.
[LG Revolution] crazymonkey05:
I would test but me and my bro upgraded our phones and I no longer have the revo
[LG Revolution] nobreak1970:
What's the status of the newer version? :)
[G2 General] Hendrickson:
I've found some LG G2 video and photo samples with the originals that you can download. Photo quality seems really good but that 60 fps sample seems to run too fast? Or is it my PC??

Images here: http://optimusforums.com/threads/lg-g2-photo-samples.8836/

Video samples here: http://optimusforums.com/threads/lg-g2-video-sample.8837/
[G2 General] katamari201:
Honestly the photos and videos look and sound pretty terrible. I've seen some sample pics from Phonearena, pics from a couple korean sites, and video samples from other testers besides these. The photos are grainy, have drab colors, blur a lot, and seem to be constantly overexposed and over-contrasty losing all fine detail where all grays turn black and all bright shades turn white. The videos have LG's trademark OCD autofocus that keeps on bouncing and bouncing even on a perfectly still scene and all the image problems the photos suffer. The audio capture is grating and reminds me of the horrible audio capture of the GS3 and older HTC phones. I'd rank the camera chops below even last gen flagships.

Other than the amazing screen and thin bezels, the rest of the LG G2 is shaping up to be another copycat follow everyone else half effort. Poorly implemented OIS that barely exists (worse than even the HTC One), the same unimpressive 13MP camera from last year's Optimus G that many websites said was worse than the 8MP version, the same cheap plastic build but in this case you can't even remove the battery or expand storage space, and little in the way of innovation besides ho hum spec bumps.

I am mostly disappointed in the camera, as this is the year of the Lumia 1020's 41MP camera, Galaxy S4 Zoom's 10x zoom and large sensor, Xperia Z1 with 1/2.3" sensor, Oppo N1 which I am very siked for coming next month, a big camera bump for the iPhone 5S, a 13MP OIS camera from Samsung on the Note 3 which will surely be better than this, Motorola's ClearPixel, and HTC's Ultrapixel. Even though everyone is trying to compete with better camera's, LG just stuck with last year's lackluster faux 13MP one and tacked on a barely there OIS.

Cue ignorant or willfully in denial comments about not final firmware and prototype hardware and yada yada yada. I've been listening to the same excuses for years for dozens and dozens of phones from Nokia and HTC and Samsung and LG and whoever. You get what you see. That's that. The Lumia 920 isn't going to get any sharper looking even after a year of updates. The Xperia Z noise and terrible JPEG algorithm isn't going anywherer. The grain in that smaller Lumia 1020 sensor will be there forever. The cartoony smeared and overprocessed HTC pictures will stay that way. And LG's photos will always look like they were recorded on a VHS tape and played back on an old tube TV. Prototypes, pre-launch hardware, post-launch, hardware made a year later with a year worth of updates, same thing.