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[Moto X General] ram130:
I've been seeing something similar. This is me completely stock:

I streamed only 20mins of internet radio today via Bluetooth.

I don't think it would be a huge drain but will add to it. The Bluetooth share service itself is using more CPU than stock Nexus devices. Even the moto team said it. Either way I guess you can keep it for now. But keep that in mind.
[Moto X General] fury683:
They were both using push, until today when I changed them to poll to see what impact it had.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
I'm geting similar results too.. around 17 hrs and 3.5 hrs battery life.. didn't notice any huge wakelocks.. but I do have some talk time and some music listening time but not a whole lot.. Will keep checking GSAM I guess.. Cause this seems like the same battery life I used to get with my nexus 4.
[Moto X General] R3dbeaver:
Ps: my Bluetooth is off 90% of the time. Only use it in the car.
[Moto X General] fury683:
So yesterday went... better. Not sure if I was using my phone less during the day, or I used less apps that are usually Greenified, or what. I think it could still be improved, but here's what I got.

I took the phone off the charger at about 8am. I drove to work, Bluetooth was on and connected in my car, but I wasn't playing any music on Pandora (listening to the radio). I used the phone probably slightly less than normal during my workday, but not by much.

5:00pm - http://imgur.com/a/JLb75

I drove home, listening to Pandora via Bluetooth, but stopped at Best Buy on the way for about 20 minutes. I was on 4G for that time but wasn't really using my phone. Pandora started when I got back in my car, and was on for a while before I got home and took more screen shots at about 6:40pm.

6:40pm - http://imgur.com/a/UtDaE

I used the phone a fair bit for the evening on Twitter and other stuff. I do notice that Maildroid (email) woke the device A LOT. I had changed the settings in that app (and Exchange) from push to poll, but didn't like the delay in seeing the emails. I set it to push on WiFi and poll on 3G/4G. I got pretty high number of emails that I wouldn't normally get (Twitter notifications), which explains the wakes, so I'm not super concerned. On a normal night it would be far fewer (as you can see by the number of wakes earlier in the day, it was isolated to that window of time).

12:25am - http://imgur.com/a/GI5GU

So from all this, I see that my held awake time is MUCH lower. Not sure why. Last week I was seeing it in the 4-5 hour range every day. I was streaming Pandora a little bit more, but not 3 hours more. I don't think I removed any apps, but some did update so maybe they fixed some problems.

I am going to play with Lux or the brightness settings in Gravity Box to see if I can try and get the display to eat up a little less juice. I use a 30 second timeout but almost always shut the display off with the power button when I set it down.

I'd still love any suggestions for extending battery life further. Thanks in advance for anything you guys can offer.
[Moto X General] :
I just noticed your average screen time on gsam.... 5 plus hours. I hate to break this to you.... You don't have an issue..... at all. Lol Even with that insane amount of wakes by mail droid. Personally I wouldn't touch an app that woke my phone that many times with a 10 foot pole. ;)

You don't have any battery issue what so ever. Your battery life is as good as anyone's here on average. Why can't you go over 24 hours like me.? ... Cause it takes me 24 hours to get over 5 hours screen time. It takes you 14 hours. Nothing you can do will get you to 24 hours with your high usage... Except not touching the phone. :)

Again.... Screen time is the only decent measure of battery life... Especially when comparing to others. Even then, a game will dummy the battery twice as fast as Web browsing... So even that comparison can be flawed. Comparing total time off charger to anyone else is pointless. You have your screen on twice as much than I do in a 14 hour period.... So it stands to reason my battery should overall last twice as long as yours... With similar usage.

So rest easy.... You're fine. Nothing is going to stretch your battery life any longer except less use. ;)

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[Moto X General] fury683:
Thanks. Not really the answer I was looking for, but I'll take it. I like Maildroid, and push email. Might have to explore options for finding a happy medium, but like I said that was an unusually high number of emails in that period. As you can see it went from ~40 in the first 9 hours or so to 4000 in the next 6, but I got a few hundred emails (long story).

Thanks again for your help.
[Moto X General] :
I'm not sure what other answer you are looking for? The real measurement of a phones battery is screen time.... And yours is probably above average already. It won't get significantly better no matter what you do. ;)

You use your phone, on average it seems almost twice as much as me... For example. Therefore your phone would die about twice as fast as me. We both have similar screen times. But I go longer cause it takes me longer to get the screen time that you get.

It's pretty simple really. Like a guy in the S2 forum once. Was getting something like 7 hours on his battery.... There was a fairly long thread about it. But.... No one asked what his screen time was. I did.... He was getting 4.5 hours screen time.... Lol on that phone that is amazing screen time.... And he was baffled why he only got 7 hours, instead of like 17 hours like most people seemed to get. But he was on his phone constantly... And getting better screen time than most of us.

I'm trying to tell you to just keep gsam.... Check it if things seem off.... But otherwise enjoy your phone.... You are getting better battery life than many already. I see no way that you will ever get more than a couple hours extra maybe overall.... And that would be by sacrificing allot more than you have now.

:)

Close the case. Unless you start spreading your 5 plus hours screen time over 24 hours, instead of 14 or so.... That's as good of battery life as you'll get.

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Oh... You definitely HAD a held awake issue.... But that's gone. You're running lean and mean now. ;)

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[Moto X General] termleech:
I'd say your battery life is pretty good. It's not really the number of times something wakes up your phone but how long it held the phone away in total. If you are really worried about email try MailWise. I'm using it with push and it seems to do pretty good for me. I'm using it with exchange and it doesn't seem to have the battery killer effect stock did. It also does calendar and even supports PIN bypass (not that I recommend that if it's against company policy).

Also one thing that you and anyone else can try is turning off some of the active notficiations. I've noticed that active notifications can drive up Android OS if you have like everything set to us it. I've got it set to only alert me for things I care about immediately and because active notification isn't going off as much my Android OS has been way lower.
[Moto X General] fury683:
Thanks guys. I will have to resort to the fact that I was spoiled for the last two years by my Droid Razr Maxx, which had amazing battery life. I could easily get 8-10 SoT with it on a lazy weekend day on reddit and such. I'm OK with plugging in here and there if I need to, but lasting through the whole day is important.

Hopefully my wakelock issues don't flare up again. This weekend I'm going to try and go through everything in App Ops and see what has permissions to things they don't need (looking at you, location) and see what I can do there.

Thanks again for the help [MENTION=4036181]kj2112[/MENTION], [MENTION=3175040]termleech[/MENTION], [MENTION=2404483]ram130[/MENTION], et al.
[Moto X General] termleech:
I'm also currently trying out the snapdragon guru from the play store. It didn't do anything when I used it on my s3 but I figure what the heck it's worth another try. I'll report back in a week after its learned and I can see if it does anything.
[Moto X General] rmead01:
SOT is also not the end all be all. Just the last few days I had my phone off chargers for what GSAM read as 1d9h and I had only 1h17m of screen time. I was at 50%~ batt life. According to GSAM I'm only averaging or getting 2.5 hours of SOT. Well when you look at that number you think that's bad and the batt life must be terrible. But since I installed and setup GSAM I haven't used my phone near full potential. Going almost 1.5 days with no charge, 1h15m~ of SOT and only being at 50% is still pretty damn good IMO regardless of what GSAM tells me.

Make sure to take more factors other than what a monitoring app is reporting when you are trying to gauge your batt life.
[Moto X General] :
Exactly.... You are saying precisely what I was trying to say. Of course the phone drains as time passes.. No matter how much you use it. I'd say the phone is capable of about 4.5 to 7 hours of screen time. Depending what setup you have, what's running, games, GPS. Brightness . Etc. But the longer you go.... Your standby drain will obviously take away from your screen time. I did go 46 hours when I first got it, cause I didn't have it active yet... So that was just on wifi at home. I think my screen time was about 2.5 hours. So yes, I'd say that was good battery life too.

And the opposite, the best screen time I ever got was 6 hours 47 minutes... But phone only lasted 9 hours. Lol

So you are right.. SOT isn't everything.... You need lots of examples to find averages of screen time and overall time together. Luckily on xda there are lots of battery threads to help determine "normal ".

Keeping other factors in mind too... Brightness, location services, greenifying, freezing apps, gaming... Etc. :)

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[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
[MENTION=3351823]fury683[/MENTION] im not really sure what all the fuss is about with the 24 hour battery life stuff. The last thing I saw that you posted you had 17% battery left and were presumably about to go to sleep. So you would have gotten to 24 hrs of phone life no problem. Just go to sleep, wake up, and take a screen shot then lol. It would have been 24 horus with 5-6% left with 4 SOT. which you could have burned the last 5% with another hour or so of SOT and your result would have been 25hrs awake with 5hrs screen on.

Also, you were very spoiled with that razr maxx whatever phone that was a beast of a phone. Just go return that moto x for the droid maxx and you will have the same software, bigger screen, and you can stay on your phone for 10 hours for two days lol.

I don't use my phone that much so i get two sometimes 3 days if i really haven't used my phone. Plenty enough for a friday to sunday weekend for muah.
[Moto X General] :
I would have got the droid maxx, but it was over 700...found a new Moto X for 350. Battery destroys my S2 anyway, so I'm happy. :)

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[Moto X General] fury683:
Last night it was at 17% when I went to bed. In the last two weeks or so it has been on the exclamation point by bedtime. It seems that something was causing a lot of drain, but it isn't anymore. If I can get the same type of performance consistently that I did yesterday (don't even know what I did differently, yet), I'd be happy. It was good, and would last me longer, as you explained.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
i'm not sure if this is still occurring on 4.4 but i know that some people would get intermittent poor battery drain for a few days in a row due to media server keeping the phone awake and actually using up a ton of battery for 6 hours during the day. Nothing they could do to make it go away but after a few days it would just vanish. then sometimes it would come back in a couple of weeks or a month or something. I saw it on my phone once but that was it.

also wifi issues were very poor with some routers. since you are doing the same thing every day i doubt that is the cause. if you continue to get off an on good/bad battery life then it is most likely an app that occasionally runs and fails to turn itself off correctly. just keep looking at wakelocks for several days and when your battery life sucks then look at the comparison. might be a simple fix but maybe not.

i just sold my phone before prices changed and picked up a dev so i could easily get root and updates faster. running eclipse with several other rooted stuff on it and am getting killer battery life. I predict it will improve a lot with a new update for 4.4 as well due to the major changes that were made causing apps to not function properly (even motorolas apps were/are finicky on 4.4). but thats just a hope.
[Moto X General] fury683:
Thanks. The Media Server thing could make sense. I use Pandora for an hour or two a day during my commute (and sometimes at work), but it could be hanging. When I had my Razr Maxx I had to reboot it every 24-48 hours or it would start to lag like hell. I haven't noticed any real lag with my Moto X yet and haven't been proactively rebooting it. I know a few people have suggested doing it daily to help clear stuff out. I had a Tasker profile setup to reboot the phone overnight when it was charging (and I was sleeping) but that clears notifications for some apps that don't get them very often so they don't pop back up. Like Twitter and Email are fine because they'll retrigger after the reboot, but something like Wordfeud or a weather app won't fire another notification for quite a while, and I end up missing it. so I shut the Tasker profile off for now.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
so there are two different thoughts i have seen on the matter. I have seen people that reboot their phone and things start working better. I have seen people try that, still not work, then let their phone not reboot for several days sometimes a week and then the problems got fixed somehow (almost like the phone worked itself out).

I also use to have a battery reporting issue and to fix i had to let the phone die completely then charge it to 100% while it was turned off. Then my battery began reporting correctly. Not sure if that would effect battery drain or not but I did a tremendous crap ton of various things trying to get my battery to drain normally. waste of time now that i have a dev phone but i now know a lot of different battery problems (for 4.2.2 atleast).
[Moto X General] :
Not a long cycle today....heavy use. :)

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Impressive. I keep forgetting what stuff you said you froze and disabled. Like Google now and Android Device manager?stock kernel?
[Moto X General] :
4.2.2, rooted but stock, with xposed. Metalhead posted some screen shots awhile ago in here of his freeze list. Mine is about the same. Everything Motorola is froze, except active notification. All Google apps froze except play store, play services and maps is a user app now and greenified. Just about everything on my phone is greenified except tapatalk...Lol...Swype, alarm and a few things that obviously won't work. Like bbm...voxer.

I use lux...max set to 35 percent. If I'm out in the sun, I sleep it and manually increase. It resets back to my lux profile next time I wake phone.

Location services off always. Unless I use GPS.

I usually have about 1100 free ram...Just to show how little is running.

And personally I missed nothing that I've froze or shut off....I wouldn't use them. My number one priority has always been battery....So that's my set up.

I get that some people want a lot more of the features and stuff going...that's fine....But it will cost them some juice. Or allot. Lol

That said...I'm about to sacrifice some battery life I think and give next launcher another go....never used it on this phone....only my s2. Should run smooth. ;)

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If you mean the Motorola device management app...yup, froze. Along with most of the com.Motorola stuff.

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Here is a very close bunch of screens to what mine would look like.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=45810067

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Thanks for those screens should go to MetalHead. ;)

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Ok....next launcher in 3d mode is pretty damn cool! Will surely destroy the battery tho. Gonna try it a day. Already paid a while back. Lol

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Thank you man! I will bookmark this. Can you do me a favor? Can you take a screen shot of your built in battery graph before you unplug your phone from the charger?

I wanna see if its been awake.
[Moto X General] :
I unplugged last night, sorry. But aren't these things always awake on the charger? Pretty sure my S2 and n7 are....I think.

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[Moto X General] ram130:
It's been happening since the update. Not happening on the N7 at all.
[Moto X General] :
I'll check after next charge. Gsam won't help cause it freezes stats when you plug in and clear when you unplug. But yeah I'll check the stock battery graph screen. ;)

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Thanks man.
[Moto X General] :
I reinstalled cpu spy to see also. ;)

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[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
To the guy with maildroid having too much wake. If you are using an exchange email you have to use the new email and exchange apk from the nexus 5. No drain after I did that.

Speaking of drain, I fubarrred my phone and had to FR. Afterwards I froze, app opp'd and disabled services a bunch of stuff. Still have touchless, assist, active and twist to launch. I been using the nexus more and ended up neglecting the X. Here are the results of that.

I didn't even realize it was on that long. I woke up to it dead and was gonna charge it while off luckily I had to check something and checked gsam on the way. Hopefully I get back to work Monday and can see what screen on time I can get.

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[Moto X General] :
Have you found out what held you awake for so long? Great standby! Would be even better without all that held awake time. :)

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[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Unfortunately no. The phone shut down while I was sleeping so none of my detectors held any info. I can't really complain about 5 hours out of almost 3 days, but I will get down to the bottom of it. Come to think of it, titanium backup is probably a good portion of it. I have it set to run every night. It probably ran 3 maybe 4 times. Still not 5 hours worth though

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[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Forgot GSAM had that section. This damn app won't let me add to my old post. I use the MotoX for music in my car, it produces much better sound than the nexus. I don't think the kernel and android os is that high.

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[Moto X General] :
Nah, you're right ..I get about just less than an hour of wake time over 24 ...not including music, so over your standby time...it's probably normal.

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[Moto X General] whatnow275:
sorry for noob question but how do I replace these? Uninstall exchange and email apk with titanium and then regular install the new apks? Or do they have to be placed in the root directory?
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
The thread actually says to place them in some directory. I did the delete old and install new and it worked for me. Ymmv

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[Moto X General] ski21:
Symbio, what all did you disable, or froze. It would be nice to no what's safe to freeze and still have touchless, assist, active and twist to launch. If you could post what your froze and stuff or send me a PM, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks
[Moto X General] :
Here are 4 screen shots. I forgot to mention, according to the built in battery graph, my phone is never hardly awake....even when the screen is on. It's been this way from day one, out of the box, even before I rooted. I never bothered to figure out why the built in graph says my phone is never awake hardly...Lol....cause I use Gsam.

Luckily there is an equivalent screen in Gsam. But....it says my phone was not awake during charging. Cpu spy disagrees. It tells me based on my only 66 percent deep sleep since I reset it, that my phone was awake while I charged. I know my deep sleep would not be 66 percent on it's own, I've barely touched it since I reset the cpu spy stats....my deep sleep would be 90 percent or so I would imagine....If it slept while it was charging.

The last screen shot is the charging associated process and it's wakelock time matches my charge time. I also just read when I googled the process that androids won't deep sleep while charging. I swear I read this and experienced it before as well.

I think if you try cpu spy on your tab...you'll find it is indeed awake while charging. Just reset out right when you plug in your tablet and phone....I don't think either will deep sleep while attached to the charger.

Lemme know what you discover. :)

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Cpu spy pic corrupted

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[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
I like it.
[Moto X General] IndicaForest:
This phones battery life comes in 2nd on my list of "best battery life phones" The Note2 is 1st. So you could say it's really good for a smaller form factor phone. I'm pleased with it.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Thanks man!

Its correct. That's what suppose to happen. From what I've been testing its not suppose to be awake like that during charging. Better Battery Stats is what alerted me and does every time I wake the phone to check charge. In my graph it shows awake straight through. Only started happening since the 4.4 update. And seems to happen to other X users I've tested with. It could be a Moto service holding awake..I've seen Active Display holding awake time once plugged in..but it doesn't seem to be the cause at all. So I'm confused.

I think my N7 had the issue but not any more with 4.4.2. I can't remember. It's graph is similar to yours.

I'll shoot you a screenshot once my X finishes charging.
[Moto X General] dray_jr:
so as of right now i am at 34% im going to get down to 1% before i post the SS

but as of right now here are my stats

on Battery: 21h 58m

voice calls: 1h 44m

screen on: 1h 39m

android OS: 2h 14m
[Moto X General] :
Check cpu spy tho....it says all my devices are not deep sleeping. Perhaps "awake" and deep sleep are not the same things? Maybe a device can be NOT awake....But not be in deep sleep?

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[Moto X General] ram130:
I believe so. But not so awake that Better Battery Stats registered it.
[Moto X General] :
I'm charging from 80 to full right now....And reset cpu spy right after I plugged in. I'll see what it says soon. :)

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Cpu tab at 384mhz the entire time it charged. No deep sleep.

This is how I remember my s2 being....And my n7.

So it may not be"awake" , but it's not deep sleeping. And again, that's 4.2.2.

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[Moto X General] dicarli:
I'm getting very bad battery life after the 4.4 KitKat update. Used to have around 24h+ hours and 3.5h screen on time. Now I'm getting around half of it.
[Moto X General] ConstantHero:
Going on 23 hours with 5% left and 4hrs 58min screen on time. Running 4.4 rooted ART