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[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
I'm thinking its G+ and ADM. I need location because I cannot afford to lose another phone :|. Lost my Nexus 4 a week ago and ADM was absolutely useless. heck it couldnt even show its last known location! :/
[Moto X General] I Am Marino:
So you're going to try and turn ADM back on?

-Sent from my Moto X-
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Well I'll do that once I'm sure everything else aren't causing the drain. I'm not sure why ADM will be a battery hog. I mean it doesn't request location almost every second right?
[Moto X General] Guilhermewpds:
So after following kj2112 tips, I spend more than a day with just data enabled, didn't install any new app, the phone is just-reseted. I find the idle drain to be acceptable, but the drain with the screen is huge. I'm sure that i can afford much better stats with wifi. I had active notifications and touchless controls enabled, gps off, location reporting and adm off, app data, calendar, chrome, contacts, gmail and g+ photos set to sync. Haven't disable any app that come with the device. So, do you think it's fine?
[Moto X General] I Am Marino:
I mean, you would think so but I'm pretty wary of Google's location anything.
[Moto X General] :
I'd say you're doing great now.....but in the middle of your graph you had a huge temp spike and battery loss. A game?

As long as that huge drop in the middle is explainable, I'd say you have everything running smooth. Without whatever caused that huge drop, you'd probably have hit well over 4 hours screen time....probably 5.

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Also, battery should be better on wifi.....not worse. Try it.

ADM is a known battery hog tho, so with it on you will take a battery hit.

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[Moto X General] Guilhermewpds:
In fact, it was a couple of videos, no gaming at all. As I said, adm was already off. What really bothers me is the fact that I don't have any app installed, with the exception of gsam, and a last.fm scrobbler. Also, I didn't listened to music. As far as my usage go, I'm concerned that music drain is almost equal as with the screen on. But I'm going to start installing some apps and see what happens. Thank you!
[Moto X General] :
Auto brightness in a bright setting a lot? Maybe you're brightness is cranked way up?

I use an app called display brightness. It puts a little slider on my screen always. I can make the slider be wherever I want and as big or small as I want. I just slide it up and down and keep my screen as dim as is comfortable. ;)

Just one idea. Or use built in brightness control in quick settings.

Its at the left side of my screen near bottom. But can be moved anywhere else.

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Actually, just put it beside the clock. Much better. ;)

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[Moto X General] Guilhermewpds:
Now I remember that I set the brightness to maximum when watching those videos, but it is usually on auto. I already thought of using lux, but I don't like to make compromises with the screen. But really, I don't normally put it on max, maybe it explains the sudden drop and the temperature spike in the graph.
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
I just noticed drain when I signed into Google plus. :|
[Moto X General] :
For sure! 10 minutes on full brightness eats about as much battery as an hour on 10 percent brightness. Screen is sometimes not talked about a lot...but it is actually probably the biggest factor in battery life....aside from abnormal issues. :)

Anyway, knowing this, I'd say your battery life is good now.

Never used Google plus, so I don't know about it. Its debloated right off the bat along with other stuff ...right after I flash a rom.

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[Moto X General] I Am Marino:
How are you guys debloating stuff nowadays?

I'm still going into root explorer and renaming .apks to apk.bak as I was always under the impression it was the same thing.
[Moto X General] :
Titanium backup. Click the app, then click freeze. Done. ;)

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[Moto X General] I Am Marino:
I figured as much, I'm not sure who back in the day got me on the way I get rid of apps in Root Explorer but it works so idk haha.
[Moto X General] alhadee12:
I just got my custom Moto X. Not sure about the battery yet and if the device will be for me.
[Moto X General] :
Read through this thread a bit...starting on the last page and work backwards from here....and most issues are covered if your battery isn't great. ;)

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[Moto X General] murso74:
6 hours screen on time but only 10 hours to 1%.
[Moto X General] :
That's normal. You can get about 6 hours within a 24 hour window....or a 10 hour window. 6 hours is near Max screen time. Near. People get there in different amounts of time. ;)

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[Moto X General] murso74:
OK cool.... I saw people getting a day with 5 hours. Tomorrow I'm going to see how long I can get after some tweaking... Now if only my battery would due so I can plug in
[Moto X General] alhadee12:
I'm going to compare my devices and see if it will become my daily driver.
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
Hi everybody! I came from the razr m. Got an X today with 422 JB which I am glad to have. Great battery life.

Root was so easy btw.
[Moto X General] southern87:
Disabled the Adm option box 1. Turned of Google now, disable my ds battery saver pro.

Used app ops to disable the location service I didn't want to run and turned off keep awake for Google play services in app ops
[Moto X General] :
That's pretty good! Played some music to beef up that held awake time hopefully?

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[Moto X General] southern87:
I did for probably 30 min in the truck.
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Hoped to get at least 5hrs SOT. Oh well.
[Moto X General] theremix:
It's the 'Phone' app that keeps the device active. I have found no solution so far.
[Moto X General] zerogun:
Are you rooted? If so, you can install Xposed Installer and AppsOps. AppsOps will show you every app that accesses the phone, and when was the last time it accessed it.

It could be an app like Facebook, Skype, Google Voice, etc. Any of these accesses the phone and can cause a wakelock.
[Moto X General] murso74:
i thought AppOps doesn't work anymore in 4.4.2 since google removed the method it used?
[Moto X General] zerogun:
4.4.2 update

So i go the update last week, and my battery went to hell. Got about 3.5 hours screen on time... and only about 16 hours up time. This is by no means bad, but not close to what I was, or should be, getting.

I was on AT&T 4.4 when I took the OTA to 4.4.2. Over the weekend I flashed the Tmobile 4.4.2 and still had the same issue. My Android OS and Android system shot up to 35%, where it was sitting at around 10% before. My awake time was still low so I couldn't see what app was doing it.

I ended up clean flashing back to a base T-Mobile 4.4.2 and then reinstalling everything. The ONLY thing that finally helped was to do a Battery Stats wile, and then greenifying Google+. I've never had to greenify Google+ before. I like keeping it active for the photo backup.

Anyways, that got me back to 5 hours screen on time, over a days use. Android OS is now back down to 10% and Android System is back down to 8%. Maybe Google+ kept activating these two processes, or something, but it was definitely killing my battery.

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It's working right now on my 4.4.2. You can't get to AppOps through settings, but the newest version puts an AppOps icon in the app drawer. You can get to it from there instead.
[Moto X General] hlaraujo:
you can get to it if you are rooted with a xposed module as far as I know

wait, what?
[Moto X General] murso74:
Damn I can't believe I never saw that.... So nice to finally kill that stupid Facebook GPS. I need to go dig a thread on app ops and greenify soon and go to town
[Moto X General] a1exus:
My battery doesn't seems like holding power like it used to( how does one starts troubleshooting?
[Moto X General] :
Read backwards through this thread. Yes, you may have to read for a bit. But everything is here already. Any issue can be solved. ;)

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[Moto X General] theremix:
GsmInboundSmsHandler keeps my 'phone' app awake. I have AppsOps installed. Is there anything I can do to kill that process without restarting the phone? Thanks!
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Made a switch to ART.

Not sure about the idle drain but I pulled off 1day 1hour 7 mins of us with 5hours 0mins SOT at 1%.
[Moto X General] Barktooth:
Without root???
[Moto X General] zerogun:
Sorry, no. You have to have root and xposed installer.
[Moto X General] moro30:
http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2659872&d=1396235742

how do you get the line of the mobile network signal completely green? your phone picks up the signal better than others, or you have disabled the 3g network?
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Well 3G is expensive so I stick to edge. My apartment is a100m away from the signal tower and I'm always home :)
[Moto X General] sm753:
Kernel (Android OS)

Sorry that I don't have any good screenshots available but generally I'm getting 2-3 hours of SOT only in maybe 10-12 hours. Kernel is BY FAR the highest on battery consumption every charge cycle no matter how "aggressively" I used the phone that day.

Using BBS, GSAM, and Wakelock Detector - I'm fairly sure I have no "rogue" apps, in any case I'm using Greenify for a lot of commons apps - FB, G+, etc. Android Device Monitor is turned off, the only Motorola Assist feature I'm using is to silence my phone at night. I have location services turned on but honestly that's (Play Services) is never very high on the list under battery. Wifi scanning off. I'm trying to think of all I've done to try to extend battery life.

Not sure how true this is but I have read that some apps run their activity under Kernel (Android OS) so it's harder to pin down. Using the 3 apps I listed above - most of these Kernel wakelocks are undecipherable and I haven't been able to find anything about them online...anyone have any ideas?
[Moto X General] :
Location services activity will fall under android os as far as the stats go. And any apps spamming location will boost android os even more. So sometimes these rogue apps are very hard to pin down as you said.

Try a full charge cycle with location off completely. If its much better, then you know it, or a rogue app are responsible for your low battery times. Then you can try to determine which app it is. Device only is the friendliest on the battery also, so you know. ;)

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[Moto X General] murso74:
Can anyone weigh in on this?

http://www.androidpit.com/having-issues-with-your-moto-x-battery-here-s-a-fix
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
i mean if it worked for him kudos. but it shouldn't change anything. perhaps he had some weird stuff causing him something or it was a placebo effect. either way. that normally will do nothing.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
If a device is spamming location requests, it'll show up in the location request list...
[Moto X General] :
Yup....but sync and who knows what else apps do can affect android os too.

Tho I bet location services is number one issue with rogue apps.

Location off, Google now off, sync off and android device manager off.....and android os should be well under control. Yup.....many don't wanna do that....that's understandable ....but battery will suffer some. :)

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[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
I have Play Services Greenified which helps. Location, sync, exchange, etc all running and that works for me. It's hard to get Play Services to hibernate properly though. That took a few tries.
[Moto X General] a1exus:
I tried "fastboot erase cache", but I don't think it really helped at all as my phone booted normally.. I can't clear cache partition via recovery as my recovery is gone due to root method.
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
I feel switching to ART was a mistake. My SOT went down by 40 mins.
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Something interesting I found. Moto internal battery stats o.o
[Moto X General] :
All that Moto stuff?

That's why I freeze it all. ;)

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[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
I found the name internalbatterystats interesting :) wonder what it does :p
[Moto X General] sm753:
If you have custom recovery, probably TWRP, just try wiping cache partition in TWRP. Should be the same thing.
[Moto X General] murso74:
i coudl never get play services to greenify properly so i took it off the list. for some reason transport services keeps triggering it even though i removed the google backup service, so i dont' know how to make it greenify the right way
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
Try disabling GeocodeService via Disable Service app from play store.
[Moto X General] a1exus:
i dont have any recovery due to root method that I used on my motox( what's the alternative way to clear cache partition?
[Moto X General] zerogun:
fastboot erase cache should have worked. When your phone booted up, did the Updating Apps pop up? If it did, then your cache wipe worked.
[Moto X General] a1exus:
No, it didn't. What am I doing wrong?
[Moto X General] zerogun:
Just to be sure... but your Moto X is in fastboot mode?

Turned the phone off, then pressed Power + Volume Down for 4 seconds then released. When it beats up, you will be in download mode. Now type "fastboot devices" and make sure your devices is displayed. Otherwise, you have driver issues.
[Moto X General] a1exus:
this is what I did:

mbp:~ alexus$ adb reboot-bootloader
mbp:~ alexus$ fastboot devices
ERROR: could not get pipe properties
T062805CH8	fastboot
mbp:~ alexus$ fastboot erase cache
ERROR: could not get pipe properties
(bootloader) Variable not supported!
erasing 'cache'...
OKAY [ 1.107s]
finished. total time: 1.107s
mbp:~ alexus$
[Moto X General] nbriles2000:
I should be getting my Moto X next Tuesday and I'm probably going to need some tips for how to squeeze as much life as possible out of a brand new stock phone from the Moto Maker!

I've dug through several pages but they dont really seem to address what to do immediately. I know to turn off location reporting, tone down brightness, keep as few antennas active as possible and other basic stuff like that...

I'm getting 2hrs screen time tops with the phone I have now and people saying they get 5 hrs sounds incredible!
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
I think I can get you started :)

First you will have to keep using the phone till it powers off by itself. Then charge it to 100% while it is powered off and then let it stay on the charger for a little more time. Then power it on and then unplug it. For the next few days keep using the phone till it powers off and then charge it and then power it on and the routine :) this helps calibrate the battery.

Turn off Location services and don't install any apps that you won't be using.

Keep the brightness at minimum (I stick to 10% :) )

Disable Android Device Manager from the Google Settings app (The one with the grey icon)

Disable Google Now from the same thing.

Sign out of G+ if you don't use it. (It keeps draining the battery on my phone :| )

This should be enough :) :highfive:
[Moto X General] ram130:
Google plus draining might the extra options like contact suggestions you enabled.
[Moto X General] yelnam2manley:
XT1053 Android 4.2.2 Battery Life

This is mostly on LTE, when I posted this picture I just switched to WiFi.
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Don't really use it that
[Moto X General] motoxone:
I would also add that you should install Greenify. Should help keep apps from background syncing and wake-locks. :good:
[Moto X General] nbriles2000:
Lots of good advice here guys! Thanks for throwing out some really good initial suggestions. I'll report back this time next week with how well my battery is doing!
[Moto X General] Snaipersky:
tip for battery life

you might also want to use a 1x1 black pixel for your background. 157 bytes in size, and turns off unused AMOLED pixels. Running PAC ROM (with all its goodies), Exposed Framework mods, Google Now, power save location accuracy, active display,black dot background, low brightness for most of the day, and daily update for PAC (massive battery killer). Rarely dips below 60 % by the time I get home.
[Moto X General] I Am Marino:
I wish we could use Google Now without ridiculous battery drain.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Doesn't seem like it is Google Now. It's location. Try turning that off then reboot for a cycle or two and see how you device performs. Leave Google now on.

There is a 10% CPU bug with location that causes an increase in stand by drain.
[Moto X General] Snaipersky:
I agree with ram, GNow isn't the killer, Its the triple location service. WiFi, cell, and GPS concurrently, always, in addition to everything else.
[Moto X General] REDFOCZ:
I'd say pretty good, two hours screen on time also.

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
2hrs SOT, almost 4hrs simultaneous bluetooth, GPS, and Google Music streaming, calls, texts etc, 0 WiFI all LTE/3G... :victory:
[Moto X General] markdexter:
My battery life test, radio on, streaming Netflix, had screen at 20% brightness.

Very impressed!! Just stock.
[Moto X General] markdexter:
Here is my screen on time
[Moto X General] Sensamic:
Sure......

Your really impressed with that? It's really bad battery life.
[Moto X General] markdexter:
All I did was stream movies from Netflix, I ended up with 8hrs screen on time.

That's pretty good, not sure why you think otherwise
[Moto X General] superp32:
The snapdragon battery guru app is a must have its built for our processor . It made the atrix hd a usable phone and I get over 24 hours of battery Life on my moto x .
[Moto X General] a1exus:
How did you do it?
[Moto X General] roguealcatraz:
My XT1053 not so well either, this is the result..most of the time i'm on 2G only :

GNow & location off
[Moto X General] :
I don't see the problem? Usually it takes wifi on all the time to beat your times. ?

Also....2g takes forever to download anything while using data....so it is.not very battery friendly.

Anyway....I'd say you are doing better than many.

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Much better than others who average 2-3hr screen. Users are never happy lol.
[Moto X General] Barktooth:
Can anyone install the Battery Monitor app and tell me what shows in the "capacity" row? My Moto X shows a 1500mAh battery according this app... but I want to know if someone with great battery life has the same value of battery in the app. If it shows the correct capacity of the Moto X (2200mAh), then I can go with some facts to my ISP and require a new Moto X.

Thanks in advance!
[Moto X General] danny39:
Mine shows 1500mAh as well, I get about 3h 30 mins of screen on with 1 day of the phone being on, so not too great
[Moto X General] unsivil_audio:
Which "battery monitor" app are you guys using? If its the one I'm thinking of you have to run it through a few cycles (100-10%) and it will reflect a more accurate mah reading.
[Moto X General] danny39:
"Battery Monitor Widget" by 3c

It's actually an app, not a widget, despite the name but it tells you the mAh of your battery. The rightmost number is the one we are talking about.
[Moto X General] unsivil_audio:
Yep thats the one I used to use. I had found it to be very accurate after a few discharge cycles at estimating MAH.
[Moto X General] roguealcatraz:
But i managed to get a better result while on JB..well maybe just a slight differences but it is noticeable. And also that result maybe look better than others people here but i disabled GNow and location to get it. Not to mention i have zero time playing music..don't you think should get better than that?
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
So I know the most common advice tip for improving battery life is turning off Location.. But I never wanted to do this because I use google now and navigation often, as well as weather and other things that need location. I also use Assist. Sometimes I turn off the GPS or switch between battery saving and high accuracy mode, but it usually hasn't made a huge difference.

Taking the advice of other users in this thread, I kept location on and turned off Location Reporting. I didn't turn this off before because I thought it was necessary for maps and stuff to work. But as some said, it isn't! Since turning off Location Reporting from google settings I have noticed a Significant increase in battery live, going hom at the end of the day with 30-40% remaining easily, and better standby times. And my google now, maps, and assist all still work! So please give this a try if you haven't yet, I'm willing to bet it can help some people without sacrificing the bells and whistles that some of us like.

I did change a couple of other things so cant guarantee it but its been a few days and I've seen noticeable improvement. Will continue testing.. Turning location off completely would probably help even more but I prefer the convenience of having it instead of turning it on and off all the time.
[Moto X General] Zerei:
OK docs, is 2h40m Android OS CPU Total normal on 16h hours usage?

Android OS consumes way more than 1h30min onscreen time on 80% Brightness =\
[Moto X General] ram130:
That's a bit high. Curb it by disabling location reporting and the remotely locate option in Google setting app under Android Device Manager.
[Moto X General] zerogun:
Warning: ROGUE APP - Lux Auto Brightness and Google+

Guys, my screen on time and total times were dropping like crazy. I finally found the the rogue app, it was Lux Auto Brightness.

I love Lux, cause it is way better than stock and I can customize it. But after the 4.4.2 update things went to hell. I finally started going through all the apps and found that I had to greenify Google+. Also, when I deactivate Lux Auto Brightness it reduced a ton of Android Kernel usage.

So, if you have Lux, you should uninstall it and see if it helps your battery.
[Moto X General] jp1044:
Very interesting...I've been using Lux as a way to keep brightness lower than stock auto brightness and save battery but that makes sense.
[Moto X General] thisguy23:
Wow.. Would've never guessed. I'll uninstall this and see if it helps. Thanks!
[Moto X General] :
Guys, check out "display brightness" app from app store. It can put an always there slider on your screen...where you want it and how big you want it. Its pretty slick, and very simple to keep the brightness manual and easily changeable....to keep your brightness lower. ;)

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[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Not sure if it'll help, but I went into Apps>Google Settings>Android Device Manager and unchecked Remotely locate this device and Allow remote lock and erase options. I then uninstalled Android Device Manager completely as Motorola already have this facility built into the phone.

Unsure if it helps battery life or not though as I've just done it.
[Moto X General] zerogun:
Unchecking "Remotely locate this device" helps, but the wiping option doesn't do much to battery. I have the same thing for my work exchange account. It just sends a wipe code to the phone, doesn't actively track.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
That's OK then. The Motorola one is actually faster and slightly more acurate than the Google one in my opinion. It reminds me of my iPhone in some ways as it's very reliable at locating my phone.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Exactly. Same test results.

- Ram
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Oh another one that should make a difference is having completely pitch black wallpaper.

As these phones use an LED display, it won't need to light up as many pixels for everyday use. Doesn't make as big of a difference on LCD displays.