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[Moto X General] theraffman:
There is no harm in charging it at 40% or even 90%. All new phone have over charge protection so you don't need to worry about over charging. Motorola even suggests to not let the battery get to low... This is debatable with little concrete evidence (that I've found) to support either theory. Personally, I tend not to charge the phone when greater than 50% unless I know I will be away from power for a substantial amount of time. I charge my phone overnight, every night and leave it plugged in until I wake up... Doing this, 99% of the time I make until I hit the rack. Only time I need to plug in before bed is if I use a lot of GPS navigation or play a lot of games.

Today for instance, unplugged for 7 hours, so far, I have 2 hours screen on time, 2 hours steaming music from Google play (on LTE and 4g), 1 hour talk time. Still at 56%... Even have a rogue app that I downloaded yesterday that is responsible for 33% of my battery usage (highest on the list)... So if I didn't have that app installed, which I will be uninstalling immediately after this post, I'd probably still be at 75ish%.
[Moto X General] banboy:
once again thx haff with your input and everything. that's really wise. since you always charge your phone in the evening and while your sleeping and you unplugged it every morning you never feel any different on the battery like it's a little bit drain quick or something like that ?
[Moto X General] theraffman:
Nope, it is to early to tell with the X, but I've done that with every phone I've owned... No noticeable difference, but batteries do degrade over time but I've never noticed a substantial difference from my typical practices.
[Moto X General] banboy:
thx haff
[Moto X General] djdubw:
I get about 14hrs with decent usage. Mainly reddit, facebook, yahoo fantasy football apps once per hour. I'm new this phone and I have no idea how much battery is used by NFC but I do always have it enabled. I also have the handsfree voice recognition enabled at all times.
[Moto X General] banboy:
Thx because of you I turn off my nfc no need to use that
[Moto X General] Dogbone737:
Does this seem right to you guys? I'm not sure if I'm just expecting too much out of this phone.

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] Dogbone737:
(for some reason I can only attach one picture per post....)

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] 26kick:
My battery isn't measuring up.

Dogbone737, this is exactly my usage as well and I have the same question. It's a bit frustrating to see people posting screenshots of 1d 5h with 20% left and I literally can't make it through the day with heavy usage.

I am losing approximately 20% overnight when I do an "idle drain test". Do we know where to look for an issue? I know it has much to do with signal strength but I'm on Sprint and have an Airave (my own tower).

If anyone out there has been following the battery life threads and has a suggestion, please let us know. There seems to be so much info out there but nothing conclusive. I can't just exchange my phone just to see if the battery life gets better. I feel like I need something solid to say something is not working right.

Any info would be appreciated!
[Moto X General] codygs83:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/afdf80c0dc?page=4

This idle drain is a current issue that plenty users are experiencing. There are a few work arounds that work for some but as of yet there's no definitive fix.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
with most people experiencing idle drain at that rate it is due to their router. try disabling wifi for your next test and see what you get. you should also download betterbatterystats or some similar app to check partial waklocks and kernel wakelocks and we can further help you out.
[Moto X General] 26kick:
Thank you Jayboyyyy. I have tried it with wifi turned off and remember getting similar results overnight. I will try again over tonight or tomorrow and take screenshots to post and confirm.

I just installed better battery stats per your suggestion. If there are any specific settings you recommend, please let me know and I will configure.

Thank you again for the response and I look forward to your feedback!
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
if you don't charge your phone to 100% before going to bed then make sure that you click on "create custom reference" in BBS before you go to bed so that it starts recording those stats at that point. Otherwise, BBS starts recording stats whenever you unplug it from a charger (which is why charging to 100% is sometimes better) or right right after a reboot (this may be the best way to go because your battery will recalibrate after a rebot instead of just guessing what your percentage is at). No specific settings are required. If you do set up a custom reference. then when you take screen shots make sure custom ref is selected instead of "boot." Also take screen shots of your kernel wakelocks. partial wakelocks. and "other" tab in BBS. we should be able to give you some suggestions from there.
[Moto X General] emerica243:
If you go back in the thread youll notice a few test scenarios i did while changing things to target the idle drain issue. And you can see ive been able to get it virtually eliminated. When my nexus 5 comes in next week ill redo some more tests and let it sit idle for longer, perhaps a full day, and perform other details and organized tests that can be of interest.

Heres an overnight with 0.1% drain...
[Moto X General] codygs83:
Man that's impressive. However uninstalling search and services and reinstalling from the play store didn't help mine out at all. In fact I even ran a test with them both uninstalled overnight and got the same amount of idle drain. Mine averages about 1% an hour with data and WiFi off. About 1.5 to 2% an hour with data on. I just can't figure it out!! Ugh!

I've always been mindful of what's running and leave gps, Bluetooth, auto sync etc. turned off. I've never had this issue on any other device.
[Moto X General] emerica243:
Did you have Location history and Location reporting still enabled? And also, did you have Remote device management enabled?

Keep in mind my signal was 100% as well on 4G, not 4G LTE, which in my knowing, requires more power.
[Moto X General] cq1723:
These are from my second day on a full charge. Autosync and auto brightness on all day. No root so nothing Greenified. Are the extra 2 hours of awake time normal and is there anything I can do to reduce that without root?
[Moto X General] codygs83:
Location was off for both Google location and location access. Remote management is also off. I do leave 4g LTE off at night however this only slows down the idle drain to about 1% per hour.

During the day I get through with no problems usually. 4g lte on all day in very good signal area and get about 3 hours sot. I just want better! Lol
[Moto X General] emerica243:
That is top of the line battery life. You cant be ashamed at that at all. The only thing you could do is disable the location reporting, which should give you a couple more percentages of juice by reducing that heavy NlpcollectorWakelock time. i wouldnt be surprised if you got another 10% from it
[Moto X General] cq1723:
Awesome, thank you. I am not complaining about my battery life whatsoever and I am extremely pleased with what I got. I don't think I'll need that extra 10% since I rarely have my screen on for 5+ hours. Huge upgrade coming from a Bionic
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
let the phone settle longer. some people it took a week before they got consistent battery drain averages.
[Moto X General] cq1723:
Definitely something that I am anticipating, thanks for the heads up!
[Moto X General] 26kick:
Idle drain stats

Hi Jay. I charged to full and rebooted last night then took these screenshots this morning. I have everything on, I think, including location reporting, etc. In other words, I haven't turned anything off.

I lost 23% in just over 7 hours at idle (though I did receive some texts and use the alarm clock). That's 3% an hour. There has to be an issue somewhere. Since this is at idle, would some battery data also be helpful at the end of a full day of moderate use? I can provide that next if it helps. Please let me know what you think. Thanks!
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
ya thats not normal. It must have to do with your airwave set-up. All of the idle drain has to do with google and location reporting and google maps. the RILJ is google maps I believe. the rest of what you got going on is the airwave mixed with google location reporting services. If you stop using location services that should help you drastically. Not sure about the airwave stuff because I have no experience with that. Turning wifi on might solve some of your problems. It really is just difficult to say with the airwave. I think the weird connectivity to it is causing google services to run way to often and keep the phone awake because it is having a hard time figuring out WTH you are.
[Moto X General] sicmadek:
I find mine eats a lot of battery while idling too. I don't leave apps open in the background. I wireless network locations enabled but I think the touch less control is the problem. The low powered core that is always listening isn't so low powered.
[Moto X General] ranick01:
Well I take my awesome battery life post back.

Android OS has been creeping up in usage lately. I do not have very impressive battery life.
[Moto X General] anotherfiz:
After owning the phone for a month now I can say it seems to get better and better.

48 hours with 4 hours of on screen time is pretty common for me. 6ish hours over 1 day
[Moto X General] emerica243:
Running new kitkat Google play services 4.0 and Google search with all location and remote device manager settings enabled. I d say it definitely improves androids battery life. 0.4% idle drain.
[Moto X General] codygs83:
Where did this kit kat services come from? The play store??
[Moto X General] meant2live218:
Here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2507172

or here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2507251

Either way, they're not officially out yet, and there are bugs in different apps, and some apps only work if you install them in a certain order, but that's the gist of it.
[Moto X General] _MetalHead_:
You guys seeing what I'm seeing? :D
[Moto X General] juancaperez2000:
damn thats impressive how you did it
[Moto X General] _MetalHead_:
I dunno, that was a ton of texting, browsing, and Tiny Tower. Wifi and location off, sync still on. That's not the norm for me, usually I get about 30-35 min screen time per 10% drop in battery. I saw this and had to screen cap it because it's just absurd. One thing I've noticed is that it *seems* the longer I go without rebooting, the better my battery life is. I am at just over 7 days uptime right now. Not sure if one has anything to do with the other, but every time I get ridiculously good life on a charge, it's usually after a few days of uptime.
[Moto X General] droe411:
Not to bad! From wake up to getting the kids to bed.

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] xKrisx:
Full day of usage.. Including a movie. 4G while at work WiFi at home.

Imprinted directly to your mind via a Moto X
[Moto X General] ram130:
I'd try the same if CacheUpdate service didn't bug out randomly.

Happens to me after a few days. A reboot seems to fix it for some weeks.
[Moto X General] chrisphoenix7:
2 hours screen on, minimum brightness.
[Moto X General] hermeshhn:
I have too the lasts update for both Google search and Google Now but still losing about 10% over the night some ideas for this?

Enviado desde mi XT1058 mediante Tapatalk
[Moto X General] banboy:
how long is your battery last from morning fully charged like 6 or 7 am fully charged and everything off and sync always on and I would like to know with your moto x will you get it through till the next morning without charging ?
[Moto X General] _MetalHead_:
I've never seen that wakelock on my X before. The only ones I ever get are audioout3 (happens every time I use poweramp) and the occasional NLP one.

I unplug my phone at 7 every morning and usually have 50-60% left when I plug in at night around 11. I have made it through 2 complete days on a single charge with my normal usage, still with 10% left.
[Moto X General] banboy:
Did you root n change kernel on your phone ?
[Moto X General] _MetalHead_:
Rooted but otherwise stock. I have frozen a bunch of bloat and greenified everything else.
[Moto X General] juancaperez2000:
[MENTION=644181]metalhead[/MENTION] did you try to take the OTA and root with rockmymoto? i did and look like im getting better battery not sure i just have 1 day running on that way
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
im getting better battery life/overnight idle drain running the updated OTA using SS and downloaded all the new kit kat google services stuff as well as the new email client. My phone stays asleep now significantly longer over night. Like from an hour awake time to 10 mins awake time.
[Moto X General] _MetalHead_:
I flashed the OTA manually when it first came out and used OTA rootkeeper to keep root. At first I thought my battery life took a hit but now it seems it's at least as good as it was before the update.
[Moto X General] charlie-n:
WOW

I currently have data turned off and it is night and day for battery life, im currently over 24 hours and still going strong, I pounded out my 5 gigs in the furst ten days and had to turn it off. Im at 4 hours on screen time.
[Moto X General] emerica243:
Jayboy, same here, i belive it has to do more so with the improved Google Play Services 4.0. Even if you look at the changes for the services in their kit kat announcement it would make sense. They said they made it more efficient.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
ya, they seemed to be having extreme compatibility issues with google play services and all of the apps that use its framework to run. I'm thinking that they fixed a lot of the issues with this update. I believe once it finally rolls out along with the new OS it will probably be even more efficient than what we are seeing running it on our current OS. that is what im hoping at least. This phone is great and with the new OS i'm thinking a lot of battery drain issues should be solved. It's a long shot but I was also hoping the issues our phones have with wifi routers would be fixed as well but I doubt it.
[Moto X General] banboy:
did you rooted your phone and everything is on such as bluetooth on, sync on, gps on brightness auto ?
[Moto X General] charlie-n:
Ya every thing is on WiFi,GPS, auto brightness, rooted, boatloader unlocked. The only thing that's off is movie data since I'm over my limit
[Moto X General] banboy:
sync on, bright auto, google now on, everything off. what ya think about the battery ?
[Moto X General] MajorTankz:
Stock unrooted. Decided to try disabling/force stopping these apps that were posted before:

com.motorola.thermalservice

com.qualcomm.privinit

com.qualcomm.qualcomsettings

LocationServices 1.0

ModemStatsService

Motorola Notification

Network Location

That and 4.4 Google Services, stock Google now on, Wi-Fi on constantly, and Aviate launcher polling for location.

Got 3 hours of screen time, 7 hours awake,15 hours total.

Moto X | Stock Unrooted
[Moto X General] ar31791:
Very happy with my battery life so far. Gets through a busy day with moderate texting and calling no problem.

And yes I read memebase when I'm bored...
[Moto X General] br0nx finest:
42% remaining, 11hr 12m 15s on battery, SOT 3hr 9m 46s

Love my Moto X.
[Moto X General] banboy:
Unrooted moto x , need your input for free wifi/ tethering mode on ?

have you ever tried the tethering mode ? and this is for unrooted moto x user, how long you've tried using the tethering mode from your moto x and how long it last with your moto x tethering mode on ?

with brightness auto, sync off, gps off, google now on, bluetooth off. wifi off and using 4G LTE network.
[Moto X General] banboy:
Picture too small
[Moto X General] sleepyguy007:
just wanted to post here.

the verge ran their battery test on both the nexus 5 and the moto x.

moto x was 7:14. nexus 5 was 3:43 in case anyone was deciding. HTC one by comparison was 4:48
[Moto X General] mx828:
You have to click or tap on the picture to see it larger.
[Moto X General] banboy:
There's no way you can achieve 3 days without rooting this phone
[Moto X General] theraffman:
You can if you barely use the phone.
[Moto X General] iamjasonc:
Has anyone figured out what the deal with Android OS being the highest battery drainer? Is it supposed to be like this?
[Moto X General] danerer:
Unfortunately I didn't get a screenie, but yesterday I got home at 15 hrs total with 1.5 he's screen on time and 3 hours of GPS with navigation going, and when I got home I still had ~35%.
[Moto X General] emerica243:
Go back and start at page 67
[Moto X General] juancaperez2000:
Could you share the link please
[Moto X General] banboy:
Aww yeah I forgot that part .
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
also, he didn't seem to be using a data connection at all either, which is the real battery drainer for any phone, he also charge it for a sec in the middle of those three days.
[Moto X General] ram130:
I've tracked most of its usage down to Motorola Device ID. If you unlink your account it will improve.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
please expound on how you tracked it down to moto device id? I had that disabled for a long time and also ran with it enabled and didn't see any difference besides sometimes google didn't sync to the phone correctly when it was disabled. IDK why but it just happened occasionally.
[Moto X General] ram130:
I had mainly test with it enabled and disabled in standby. Monitoring Android OS usage each time. In one period I'd easily hit 1hr cpu time and without it I would be between 20min-30min.

After 10hrs stand by for me

I decided to have someone test it out. They had over 2hrs of it easily before we started:

after 13hrs stand by

Then I asked him to disable it to and this happened after his next charge:

It may not be a full solution. But it is contributing to the drain.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
have you considered that disabling moto device id breaks moto's ability to back everything up and sync everything it is trying to. I already have those settings disabled on my phone. This would make sense because moto is using google services to run a lot of its syncing process. Without device id, moto cannot connect to the device for many of these process. So you basically just disabled moto's ability to sync a lot of things. If you just went into moto's settings and disabled the sync to moto stuff (which you agreed to when first setting the phone up unless you clicked on privacy settings and disabled it before clicking the continue button) then there would be no need in disabling moto device id.

I didn't connect the dots initially, but once i read your recent post it made much more sense now why disabling it made such a big difference on your phone while it did nothing at all for mine. But i don't have high android os usage It often times is the highest on the list because I don't have alot of OST but, it isn't actually running alot. I have almost all sync stuff for google and moto disabled except for a few key things that i need.
[Moto X General] ram130:
I've only found 3 services related to it. Moto care, connect and tips and maybe Motorola lost device management. That's what I see in the menu. I have notice no issues syncing anything related to my Google account. Everything works like it does on my N7. Moto also doesn't do any backups at all. Google does. To your Google account.

Also one more thing. This might clue us in on a possible fix coming, this was on Motorola's page:
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
first of all, what on earth was that pic about? that looked pretty insane. given he didn't use his screen at all i don't think. but maybe he just didn't set up any accounts at all with google and disabled everything he could. I think i could get stats like that if i did that. But besides that.

I think moto does its own back through your google account and google does. When you first set your phone up, moto asks you to agree to heir terms. if you click on terms and conditions link, it pulls up another screen where you can disable back up my data and one other thing. This may be backed up to your google account, but moto made you agree to those terms because they are the ones doing it not google. Google also has settings to back up your data and stuff as well. I think they are separate because even though moto is a subs of google. its still its own company. I think google is doing its own backing up of stuff and moto is doing it as well or trying to at least. Even though they are using your google account to do it. I think the back up and restore tab under settings is moto's back up and restore settings. I haveb't been able to find the same privacy terms and conditions menu that i saw when i first set up the phone, but im sure it exists somewhere down deep in some settings.

but whatever the case may be. disbaling moto device id doesn't have an affect on google services for my phone whatsoever.
[Moto X General] 26kick:
Holy balls. Does that say 2d 7h with plenty left?

I'm not sure if this is news to anyone but while I was on with tier 3 support, the tech could read all of my phone's settings in real time. Not sure that is part of Moto ID, or if it's relevant to battery drain but I thought I'd mention it.
[Moto X General] sleepyguy007:
there isn't a link. the verge doesnt seem to keep this in any central place. but you can go to each review and just read the text and find where they mention the battery test time.

they do the same test, and have been running it for a few years, so most phones they have a mention of it
[Moto X General] theraffman:
That's what I did, read each review... The battery test results were at the end

Here is yesterday's battery results. I didn't try to get better life, I typically disable Wi-Fi/bt/gps when I'm not using then... but I only made a couple short phone calls, so that probably made up the difference, probably could have gotten another 30+minutes sot before the phone died

20hrs16m off charger, 4hrs12m sot.
[Moto X General] RorixRebel:
It may give me crappy use some days but it saved me during my trip out of the country.
[Moto X General] Coderedpl:
Hello there all,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this.

Is there any way that I can check if it's my radio that's causing my phone to die out quicker than many of you?

I take it off the charger at about 6am and by about 4pm when I leave work I get anywhere between 20% left to almost dead. I mainly browse around the Web and forums. Some phone calls here and there, a bunch of Google voice, some YouTube and etc. No games and such though.

I feel like my phone should last a lot longer. At home it most certainly does, I've had times where I would use the phone throughout the day and towards the late evening I would have more than 20% left but I would just bump charge it before going out

I'm primarily pointing fingers at my reception here as the building I work is quite old and quite solid. My signal here comes out to be about - 106 dbm / 30 asu.

Meanwhile verizon says it should be higher than -58

http://support.verizonwireless.com/support/devices/knowledge_base.html/37249/

(other pages for other products list the same kind of text)

When I step outside it actually ends up improving by quite a bit.

Do you guys think this could be it?
[Moto X General] theraffman:
Signal strength is definitely a big player in battery life. Do you have gsam battery monitor? It has a cool graph that shows signal strength relative to time and battery %. It looks like this
[Moto X General] bozbeast:
Great

Since around 8 am. All through work and still some battery left for late night browsing.
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Maybe its the new battery life you can expect with Kitkat? :P
[Moto X General] _MetalHead_:
Sim card out, airplane mode on.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
with 2 hours of screen time. thought screen time was a killer, but it seems radio usage increasing because your screen is on is the real killer.