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[Moto X General] ram130:
Its not location then. Might be hangouts then. Try uninstalling it per tluley experience so far.

Nice. You're right. Give a day and try the latest. Glad you solved it. If it happens after the update again. Clear it's data.

- Ram
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
Google apps are responsible for major drain on Android. These apps are auto frozen/removed from any build I run:

Hangouts

Google+

Chrome (will wake up often)

Gmail

and more...

Play Services Framework is also horrible if you leave location on.
[Moto X General] tluley51:
I do use Greenify, for almost all apps that aren't system apps. I can't imagine battery life without it. That is a world I do not want to live in...

Yeah, give that a shot. Something in Hangouts was pounding my phone, maybe it wasn't just me? Please tell me I am not crazy?
[Moto X General] seanyuan62:
Another tip would be to go into WiFi settings and untick WiFi scanning always available. Not sure if you've done that yet.
[Moto X General] tluley51:
Yeah I think I have done it all, haha. I have (for some reason) always had battery life issues at random times since I got this phone. It goes great for a few weeks, then one day it just s***s the bed and the battery is terrible, then I spend 2 days figuring out something new that is killing the battery. This has happened AT LEAST 10 times since I got in in October.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Difference is minor from my testing. I think it helps with location much better as well. Providing overall lower lock times in stand by.

It's actually at the bottom of the list this time. I think 4.4.3 improved it.

- Ram
[Moto X General] :
For most people, location services on will take its share of battery....no matter what.

Location on...on average if you comb through this thread, 3 to 4 hours screen time....18 maybe total.

Location off...5 to 6 screen time, 24 plus total.

Of course usage, screen brightness, signal strength, gaming and amount of social apps mostly, can change these averages significantly.

You want the best battery life you can get out of any phone....location needs to be off. Toggle on when needed.

Just my experience and 2 cents. ;)

Edit: buried back in this thread was my best time ever, on any phone....over a day with 7 hours 44 minutes of screen time. Most option off...mostly WiFi...and mostly browsing and Tapatalk. :)
[Moto X General] abuttino:
So, pretty much not many options for people that use Geofencing?
[Moto X General] MickyMax:
Any feedback about battery performance of the 4.4.3 please?
[Moto X General] abuttino:
Seems as the Hangouts fix worked for me..

Is this a moto problem where it doesn't work well with Hangouts or, is it the current version of Hangouts that has a problem?
[Moto X General] ram130:
Not a moto issue.

It's improved so far. Still testing. So far most of my bugs still exist. Stand by....debatable.

- Ram
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
4.4.3 First day and after a factory reset. I've been setting up the phone all day but I feel like the battery life is improved. Can't tell standby cause I've been on it almost all day but I have had GPS and Bluetooth on all day (they say they improved it I wanted to verify) I think it's much better and less waking even with google now and the new Motorola stuff.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Managed to squeeze over 2 days out of mine recently. Battery is impressively good so far even though awake time can be high at times. Looking forward to 4.4.3 to see if further improvements can be made.

GPS on High Accuracy. WI-FI always on. Hangouts disabled. Data off. Brightness on lowest setting. Sync always on.

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It actually lasted another 35 minutes after I took the screenshot lol.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Sorry for double post, I couldn't add this pic to my last post for some reason. 4.4.3 spent most of the day using the phone setting it up. GPS and Bluetooth on all day and still pulled off almost 6 hours SOT. My usage should get back to normal over the next few days so I'll be able to really compare but so far I'm impressed
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I just hope Verizon doesn't screw it up too bad for us
[Moto X General] KokoReyes:
After a day using 4.4.3 this is my battery stats, normal usage, definitely so much better than 4.4.2, stock and just using some xposed modules :good:
[Moto X General] ram130:
What do you have off? Location?
[Moto X General] KokoReyes:
yes, location off, auto brightness, most wifi, 3g, google now on, no voice command, intelligent screen on

I was using most of the time whatsapp, instagram, google +,gmail, music, some gaming :highfive:
[Moto X General] ram130:
Try touch less on the next cycle. I'm sure it won't add much drain. As for location....fine. Guess I got to force my self to turn it off.

I miss the days when having location on didn't add any noticeable drain. Must be the only one. :(
[Moto X General] :
Last time I tried a day with location on....and didn't even purposely use it...just on, no navigation or anything done by me....I lost a good hour screen time and about 5 total hours. That was on high accuracy. But again....no usage by me purposely. I think device only wouldn't have been as bad since is the best for battery savings, but device only is not very useful indoors.

So I usually figure almost 2 hours screen time lost and probably 7 or 8 hours total lost on high accuracy... If you actually use apps that access it frequently. (Social apps)

So I don't think I could ever run it 24/7. Lol

Yeah, it does kinda suck. ?
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
The pics from yesterday were with high accuracy and Bluetooth on all day. I got decent screen time, only an additional 30 minutes of wakelock but I definitely had less overall time than I'm used to. Today I'm running with no Bluetooth and GPS. Obviously there will be an improvement and I will post once the battery is drained. As of right now I don't intend to be using the phone much so it might be tomorrow... I hope.
[Moto X General] tripranav:
This is what I am getting with Location Off, Touchless Control Off, Data Off (I use wifi through out the day as I work from home).

Is this OK?
[Moto X General] :
Awesome! ?

Most things off does get the most out of battery life, no doubt. ;)
[Moto X General] abuttino:
Odd.. BBS shows the NLP collector going bonkers but WLD didn't..

I've already tried [MENTION=2404483]ram130[/MENTION] 's suggestion.. This battery is draining way too fast.
[Moto X General] :
Turn

Off

Location.

Lol. Try it, you'll like it. ;)
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I can't. I rely on geofences
[Moto X General] :
Then there's only so much you can do. It sucks. But its life with android it seems. ?
[Moto X General] abuttino:
What I'll do is probably have Tasker turn off GPS once I get home and activate it once I lose WiFi signal
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
Install appops and see what's hitting location. If it's only play services, there isn't much you can do.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.colortiger.appopsinstaller
[Moto X General] ECassinelli:
Hello, i have been reading almost every post in this thread and I just can't manage to get the incredible battery that some of you guys have. I just bought my moto x a week ago and I had to update to the 4.4.2 because it was 4.2.2 out of the box. Here are some of my settings:

- Google Now Disabled

- Active notifications on

- Touchless control off

- Gps and location all off

- Disabled Motorola services

- Disabled Android Device Manager

- Sync on only in some google apps like mail and calendar.

- Google+ and hangouts signout

These are the settings I have tried after all the post and advices I hace read. I've seen som guys make it more than 1d with almost 5h of SOT, I really want to get to that, I left some screenshots of my battery times and some of GSAM. I will appreciate if someone could help me.

Also I have noticed that only when I use Wifi my Android OS % goes very high, not when i'm on data; and I recently started using battery doctor, Do you guys know if the battery charge state system that gives you that app is good or bad for the battery life? I have read something about trickle battery charge or something like that.

Sorry for my bad Engish, I'm from Peru.
[Moto X General] :
Dude! You're doing great!! ;)

Near 6 hours screen time....you can get that in 14 hours or 24 hours. Standby drain is probably near 1 percent per hour....meaning if you stretched that 5:40 hours into 24 hours instead of 13....you'd see little difference in screen time. You're just using the phone a lot.

Trust me, you are doing awesome!!

Not gonna get much better screen time....and your total time will vary based on how quick you use that 5plus hours of screen time.

Also, Facebook, Instagram and probably WhatsApp aren't great on battery.....so again, you're doing great!! ;)

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Try keeping screen a bit dimmer. That may be all your missing. I use display brightness from play store. Check it out.

And you probably haven't debloated anything....not that you need too since you're doing rather well already.
[Moto X General] ECassinelli:
Thanks man:) I appreciate the advice. What do you mean by debloated, I am guessing you are reffering to software from the carrier right? My device didn't came with any aside from motorola apps so I think I am well in that way.

Do you happen to know anything about the battery doctor app or the wifi issue tih android OS %? Also I just wanted to mention that i do not use 4g lte yet, because i have to change my sim with my carrier, If I start to use it do you think it will impact much in battery? I know it might but not how much because I've never used it before.
[Moto X General] :
I debloated all moto apps except touch less and active. Tho, I'm not sure what gain to battery it gave, if any. I just wouldn't use any of them

...and things I don't use get frozen or deleted. (Well, anything system gets froze for me. I don't delete system stuff)

LTE may improve your battery life, as things will load faster....so less CPU work.

The only battery apps I personally use are monitor apps, like gsam. I don't use battery saver type apps. I don't believe they work, except maybe for very light users.

And last...I'm not sure what WiFi issue you mean?? :)
[Moto X General] ECassinelli:
Oh I've never imagine that LTE could improve the battery live :) ... I have worst battery life when I am using WiFi, I've noticed that my Android OS % goes high when I am using WiFI, this do not happen if I am using mobile data (3g/H+).
[Moto X General] :
I think that's the network bug. Something on your network is spamming the phone. Search on that issue, I think there's fixes.

New router maybe. Or figure out what device is doing it. That's easy. Turn everything off. If suddenly its good again....bingo. And just let one other device on your network at a time til you find the offending device.
[Moto X General] ECassinelli:
Yeah, I've read something abouth the router spamming, Now that you've mention it, a couple of days ago I was trying to make a search in google on my laptop and google blocked me saying that there was a device spamming or something like that. I will look into it thanks for the info ;)
[Moto X General] abuttino:
How about freezing modemstatsservice? That seems to be constantly using gps
[Moto X General] abuttino:
Look for upnp requests.. I have thousands of them on my network..

Thanks for giving me something to try! Great suggestion
[Moto X General] hlaraujo:
So, any news if 4.4.3 solved the android os high drain problem?

I'm waiting for this to decide if I'll wait for my carrier to send me the OTA or if I'll flash the zip from T-Mobile
[Moto X General] ujoty:
I flashed the zip and I'm back to battery life from 4.4 or maybe even slightly better.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
Last night I froze all the moto garbage that I never plan to use, plus a lot of google stuff. Battery has been a great improvement today.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Now if you unfroze them one by one, we'll the top offenders.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
That could take me a few weeks. I need to have an average.. I'll report if I notice something drastic.

EDIT: Ugh, Android OS chewed up 40% while screen on only had 30%

I adjusted some things in Tasker to limit this. Hopefully that will help.

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I just wrote a whole post about UDP Multicast and Plex.. Tapatalk lost it :(

Was watching my firewall log as I froze Plex on my Moto X. It went from 1 request per second to 0!

Off to the Plex forums!
[Moto X General] :
I read up on geo fencing, since I've never used it.

Its gonna take a toll on battery no matter what you do. Its using location services big time....and location services without geofencing is bad enough...with it...you're gonna feel it.

I think you can just optimize battery in other ways as much as you can and then live with the results.

You'll never have great battery life using it. Sorry to say.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Funny how the iPhone uses similar Geo fencing and it doesn't hamper battery life like that.

I know what in location is moving weird. It only happens when you're not home and have Google now on. Sucks. And its by design they say.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
Did you read what I added about Plex and Multicast?
[Moto X General] :
Cool! Hope you get it solved. ;)

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Yup, as I said....as much as I'd never own any apple device....they know how to make efficient systems. But then they lock them down so you can't barely change a thing. Lol
[Moto X General] abuttino:
What a freaking difference! I have had Plex frozen for almost an hour, the battery is so so so much better now. At 28 percent, I'd need to plug in within 15 minutes. Now, I have been using the phone with 100% screen on time for the last 1hr and it's only tricked off 14 percent
[Moto X General] ram130:
Yep Plex...Google Now... Chrome new tab page...have the background cpu going nuts. I was at work doing nothing on my phone. The first part is at home, funny how poor signal area gave better stand by lol. Now that's with Chrome and Facebook, going crazy in the background with the screen off. Facebook of course doesn't do this very often. Frankly it's a first time it stalled in the background. I think this is a main bug in Android, I've seen some other apps do the same. And then location being pinged from Google Now a lot because I'm not home.....oh the irony.
[Moto X General] gabloammar:
I'm hoping 4.4.3 has improved battery life for you guys. It did for me, minimally, but it did for sure. Much better standby drain now. (not so sure about usage but I'll be finding that out soon)

I'm on stock btw. T mobile, no root. (REALLY MISS ROOT THOUGH!)
[Moto X General] ram130:
It's much better. Stand by still the same at around 1%/hr.
[Moto X General] kackburt:
"How is your battery life"... Thanks for asking, it is quite good actually :p

With my normal use, I am off the charger for two days: using wifi at home, uni and work, taking the moto for a run, while using GPS running app and also listening to music for about an hour. If needed I charge it every day, but that's mostly not the case - maybe once or twice a week.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
if you search this forum i posted a link to smallnetbuilder where a guy had issues with the router causing his android to drain fast. The solution was to set up a guest network that does not have access to LAN. The router was frequently sending a lot of requests to and from the phone. It would make sense that plex would be causing bad drain if this was actually the issue. I would suggest setting up a guest network without access to LAN. Stay on that network unless you want to use your chromecast or something. Then just switch back to the regular network when you want to use it.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I like the idea but would be forced to give up half of my phone's functionality when home.

The fact is, I am just going to have to live with it and remember never to get another phone that doesn't have at least 3300mah..

My phone has so much to do with my home automation system it would not be beneficial to cut any of that off..

What I can do is make sure that my phone doesn't get updated half as much as my old phone that had problems updating because it dropped Wi-Fi all the time when the display was off.

Something I'm glad this phone doesn't have s problem with.

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
not all routers cause this issue. you could trying setting up a different router as an AP and connect through that. Or you could change your main router and see if it continues to act this way. It is only with certain routers that this happens.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I think my firewall is to blame more than the routers. It is an enterprise grade firewall..

If the China middleman can't unlock it when he comes back, it is Droid MAXX for me.

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
i spent a large amount of time trying to diagnose this issue and firewall from many users were tested and it didn't seem to cause the issues. If you find the link to the smallnetbuilder site that i provide way back when you can find a full description of what a person found out from his investigation. It was the only diagnosis that I found to be accurate on the issue. If you know a decent bit about routers and such you may be able to solve the problem without an AP or guest network. The guy explains it in full what is going on that causes it.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I have been watching my logs, after I greenify Plex, there is a wake every 5 minutes or so to Google. Nothing coming in, nothing going out.

The key is to keep Plex Greenified.

You also do understand that I am using Tasker.. I have reduced the amount of times it would wake up, but there isn't much I can do about this just short of nullifying my entire home automaton platform

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] Rubbs:
I think we have a champion... The worst battery of the topic.

Wifi always on, GPS on only half of the day (the other half it was in economy). Did a little running for the last half hour, played a game for about 30 minutes in the morning, drived for an hour listening to music.

Sorry the pics are in Portuguese, but the ugliness of these stats can be seen in any language...
[Moto X General] abuttino:
You got 11 hours? I get 8-9.

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] :
You gamed, location is on...music....3 hours screen time...your time is about average for that scenario.

You can't compare to guys with everything off, no gaming, no GPS and have done lots of other stuff found in this thread to conserve battery. ;)
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I did disable STP on my routers. Maybe that will help.

Sent from my Moto X
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
As promised 4.4.3 results with less screen time.

Wakelocks are less, kernel usage is higher. I'm probably going to start freezing stuff or greenifying cause I figure the next Motorola will be out before the next android update. I'll post the results of that but if anyone was worried about 4.4.3 battery life ... Don't
[Moto X General] klyzon:
just got my xt1052 a couple of days ago. Am burning through the battery at 3% every 7 mins on standby lol
[Moto X General] :
Gsam screen shots? Not much we can say without seeing. ;)
[Moto X General] klyzon:
am gonna burn down the battery today, will post screenshots tomorrow :(

am actually eager to update to 4.4.3 but no zip for xt1052 yet grrrr
[Moto X General] klyzon:
Screen shot
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
I'm hoping the 4.4.3 update fixes the 1% bug that I've had since I bought mine.
[Moto X General] orangstrees:
Mine
[Moto X General] ram130:
Google now on?
[Moto X General] orangstrees:
google now off

assit, meeting on
[Moto X General] gettinbuck66:
mine lasts a full day unless im playing games
[Moto X General] omias:
Using 4.4.3
[Moto X General] MickyMax:
What's your settings to achieve this great result?
[Moto X General] DBBGBA:
Mine looks the same wifi stays consistently on, this didn't happen on 4.4.2 unless of course i was using the wifi. Now I get 8h max. Turning it off basically saved the day but I do rely on wifi data a lot so I might actually go back to 4.4.2 .

And it's not only on my wifi I also see the same happens if the phone is not connected to any wifi and I did optimize the Advanced settings so that it shouldn't be always on and constantly scanning.
[Moto X General] ram130:
No WiFi issues here and I have always scanning on but WiFi off mostly. Haha.

- Ram
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
Battery issue

Hi. Got a problem with phone in the standby mostly. Can somebody hell me with it?
[Moto X General] :
Well....you have a crap tonne of stuff in the status bar. Location services on I bet, on high accuracy? Multiple social apps? All using location.

None of that is helping. But a screen of kernel wake locks and times waking device from gsam would help.

For starters.... Change location to battery saver. Tho device only is better. And off is best.

How many things are syncing?

I'm guessing you have a lot of system affecting type apps....LUX....what else? "Battery saving" apps????

Bottom line I am guessing, something, or things are exploiting location services. Turn it off for a day to find out for sure. You have 4 hours of awake time....I bet it drops dramatically.

Then tho....you need to find out what app or apps are responsible. Not an easy thing sometimes.

Try some of this and see what happens. And screens of kernel wakes and times waking device. ?
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
What exactly you'd called [MENTION=679183]crap[/MENTION] stuff"? %) Location was on the "Battery Saver" mode. But I prefer "High Accuracy". Yes. Some twitter apps, but they synced only Manually and the official app is takes PUSH. Location I use only when using maps, or attach the location to my WhatsApp/Viber conversations.

About location function: I've got Nexus 5 near my Moto and the location is set to the High Accuracy, and it lives about two days. Nothing eats battery when the screen is off. As you can see, when screen is ON the battery drain is about 7%, when OFF 68% - this is kind of madness for me.

For background syncing steed up the WhatsApp that synced contacts, Google (App Data, Calendar, Chrome, Contacts, Drive, Gmail, Keep, People Details), Evernote will sync notes one tim a a daw win Wi-Fi only, Pushbullet, Dropbox.

What the kind of "System Affected Apps"? What is bad with the LUX? I don't use any battery saving apps since Android 2.3 on my HTC Legend.

No. I saw the location pointer in the status bar only if I use apps that use location. Ok, I'll turn it off for a day, and after before I put some results.

I already do some tests. After OTA update to the 4.4.2 when the full firmware out I use RSD Lite twice to restore the phone to the defaults. Try to use it without of any apps for some days (my Nexus 5 doubled in apps the functional so I stay not susceptible to my daily driver, but even in this case I've got a lot of Android OS battery drain. I just can't realize what the hell is that!

And BTW what screens is preferred to post from maybe system or GSaM Battery?