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[Shield General] s0me guy:
good points. the D-pad does move (or skate?) from side to side about 1/8-1/4" inside the housing. so id need to make sure the D-pad contact pad will still hit both sides of the PCB contacts at the furthest positions to complete the circuit.

i was thinking the paint might be better for the short term test, as tape might "smudge" out of the way during a heated game like streetfighter?

if the idea works id prob scrape away the unwanted conductive material (the lines marked in red) with a hobby knife for a more durable and permanent solution.

only thing im worried about is the pressure needed for circuit closing will change from having the contacts painted (raised up surface) vs taking down the unwanted material (lowered surface) when referenced to the actual contact material we are actually trying to hit. not sure if that is easy to explain without pictures.
[Shield General] SixSixSevenSeven:
Don't do it. Electronics hobbyist here.

Those buttons are a digital 0 or 1. No sensitivity there. The rubber mat underneath the keys simply contacts against both sets of PCB contacts to connect them. No resistance or capacitance readings occur, its either connected or not connected. Shaving the contacts probably wont change that very much. You want to inhibit the contact between PCB and rubber mat from occuring without increased force which your proposed hack wont do to a great extent.

The problem would be purely mechanical in nature, ie the exact way the buttons being mounted perhaps allowing for unintended wobble and as a result perhaps if you shift your thumb forwards and back a bit the rubber mats for the up and down arrows may well come into contact.

A better solution would be to adjust the height between the PCB and the rubber mat, not a simple task. Perhaps the underside of the buttons have some sort of plastic nub which if filed down a tiny amount might work and require a harder press to force the mat down, not sure. Not reversible though.

Or a very thing piece of sponge with 4 holes cut aligning with the PCB contact area (but ever so slightly smaller) would cause a greater force to be required on the buttons while still allowing the buttons to contact. I would sketch what I mean but my skills with drawing on a PC are non existent and I have neither a scanner or camera right now.

I would actually lean towards experimenting with the sponge method, actually inspired by me working my way through a tin of biscuits while playing Xbox one morning and getting crumbs in the controller, started to require alot more force on the A button to get it to work. Open the controller and biscuit crumbs were everywhere preventing the buttons moving properly. Sponge should have the same effect but reversibly and cheaply. Namely, take a kitchen sponge and cut it up a bit, 2mm thick sections perhaps. Kitchen sponges are cheap anyway, pretty sure I saw a 10 pack in a £1 store once, experiment to your hearts desire.

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Come to think of it. If you put paint on the area in between the contacts then that may work.

Your not going to be able to reliably fix this without altering the feel of the buttons sadly. I think they should have gone for tactile switches on the DPad, they are generally perfect for this.

It is the DPad skate which I believe is causing this.
[Shield General] masterfud:
less permanent if you want to try it is white glue spread with a toothpick. you can wipe that off carefully with a bit of alcohol or water.
[Shield General] s0me guy:
thank you as well.

i am aware this is a "on / off" situation. but the weaving of the PCB contact material makes for a very light press to be needed for circut closing. (my sensitivity problem)

the "sponge method" is also something i thought about. i wanted to source some other D-pads from other controllers to try this but im not sure how a modded one would hold up to button mashing in the long run. so it would basically have to be almost identical dimensions to work.

ive been trying to source SHILED parts to experiment with. but the guy i was speaking with has family obligations tying him up right now. so... :(

i do really like the feel of the controller. they did a awesome job. but i just wish the PCB contact layout was identical to the NES/SNES controllers. as in with the a, b, x, y buttons being the more sensitive (weaved) contacts and the D-pad being the less sensitive 1/2 circle style once.

i wish i was just being picky here but i just flat out cant play any retro games in the current state. 15 years of muscle memory just doesn't go away.
[Shield General] s0me guy:
i agree. its a lot of movement...

i can center the D-pad and game play is much better for a few seconds till it moves again. in fairness, every D-pad (SNES, SEGA, Etc) does skate a little (except for PSX). the SHIELD is by far the one with the most movement.

for ppl not understanding what we mean by the D-pad "skate" here is a very crappy rez vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYj5-L02fiI&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1
[Shield General] SixSixSevenSeven:
My PSP has quite a bit of DPad skate. But the centre point of the Dpad does seem to stay centred, it just seems to rotate on the spot if you know what I mean. It skates but it remains perfectly usable.
[Shield General] s0me guy:
to stop the skate we could find (make?) rubber grommets to fit around the mounting holes for the screwdowns (yellow circles are the tips). they would act as sleeves or bumpers keeping the plastic D-pad assembly centered.

i have no idea where i would even look for a part like this... McMaster? lol

http://www.mcmaster.com/#rubber-bumper-spacers/=o6yfz8
[Shield General] SixSixSevenSeven:
That centre nub between the 4 screws. They should have made that larger or the hole in the rubber piece smaller so that they match size better. I reckon that the cause of the skate is that nub.
[Shield General] s0me guy:
just realized i should probably stop brainstorming using the images from ifixit as a reference.

they could have quite possibly used a different pre production unit and it might be nothing like the final public retail units. i know there were a few different revisions along the way (D-pad included).

guess ill have to try to find time to tear this down over the weekend. i've been hesitating up until this point mostly because our 1mth old baby requires a lot of attention ( who would have thought? :p).

id just hate to have this thing half taken apart get sidetracked and forget were i was... lol

i can easily see this mod taking up an entire saturday to get 100% working without a newborn.
[Shield General] david419kr:
oh yeah, this D-pad is really really ****ty...
[Shield General] s0me guy:
delete..
[Shield General] s0me guy:
MUCH BETTER! :victory:
[Shield General] s0me guy:
now to fix the skate issue! :D
[Shield General] david419kr:
wow... it feels much better? so you DID it. nice! :good::laugh:

I want to try in once, too
[Shield General] s0me guy:
yea now its much more like the other D-pads im used to. (NES, SNES, N64, PSx, PS2, Gameboy, NDSlite)

i swapped the button diaphragms also. as the A B X Y button side Diaphragm has a small hold in the middle of it and it tends to minimise the "skate" issue.

BEFORE

AFTER

BEFORE

AFTER

all in all id say these mods made the D-Pad 100x better, but its still not perfect. i still make input errors all the time. but its nowhere near as bad as it was. the main issue thats still present is that the D-pad is acting like a rocker more than a switch. so when you press dead center on the "right" arrow on the D-pad the diaphragm on the "right" contact is pressed down 100% and the "up" & "down" contacts are pressed 75% down (almost touching but not making contact). but... it you ever so slightly press off of dead center on any arrow the contacts next to the one you're pressing end up touching. then your input becomes a 45deg. input instead of a 90deg one.

i honestly don't know how to fix this without designing a different bottom half of the D-pad assembly. my current idea is to take a D-pad from a Donor SNES controller (its dimensions are pretty close on the bottom side), grind off the "arrow pad" and attach the remaining bottom portion to the SHIELD's "arrow pad". since the SNES bottom part has more of a Dome shape than a flat one like the SHIELD it will have more bias to the direction your inputting and less Bias to the directions on either side of that direction.

descriptive pic coming soon

my main issues is right now everything i do is a MAJOR commitment because i have no access to Extra SHILED parts. if i mess up... well thats it... so... :(

hopefully the guy i was talking to about getting extra parts will get back to me soon. i also was talking with a guy who has a 3D printer that may be able to print the modded D-pad for us after its complete. :fingers-crossed:
[Shield General] s0me guy:
also i might add that i used 2000grit sand paper to rough up the surfaces on the D-pad & buttons. the glossy-ness of them got very slippery after a few minutes of gaming as the finger oils build up.

they have WAY MORE grip now and the matte finish is much more appealing over the Gloss finish. :victory:

this has been already kind of talked about in a few other threads with users complaining of "screws falling out" but i would also would like to stress to anyone disassembling their SHIELD to be very very VERY careful with the threads. it seems about half my screws were slightly over tightened from the factory and i have some slight stripping going on. :mad:

the build up of plastic dust on the one screw in this pic is not something you want to see. as the less plastic there is in the threads, means the less "meat" the screw can grab on to. in-turn that means the less torque can be applied to fasten the 2 parts which can lead to movement and then internal ware... i may have to find slightly bigger screws then drill and tap all the holes... :eek:
[Shield General] georaldc:
Makes you wonder how this got past QA testing. I also have the same problem with a newly purchased Shield and it makes emulators difficult to use (unless you map stuff to the analog stick)
[Shield General] s0me guy:
emulators were probably not something they were heavily focused on and all the testers probably were more worried about "feel" than function. IMO if you are able to think about the controller during game play, its not made right.

i hate to sound like a whiny brat or something here but if i wanted a sub par experience i would have stuck a $40 Moga controller on my Galaxy S3 or somthing. i mean isn't the point of SHIELD to be a premium product for a Niche market? and isnt the controllers function the most important part of the "function" of SHIELD? sure nice screens and speakers are great and a part of the experience... but what does it matter if you cant play the the thing. you may as well use a GameKlip and android Phone.

its like driving a highend sports car on all season tires. all kinds of awesome engineering and power thats just frustrating to drive cuz you cant keep the thing on the road.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bogderpirat:
Hey guys,

I'm coming from an early July PAC (4.2.2) nightly, did a TWRP backup, tried an import from it via TitaniumBackup (6.1.0) on the spot and it offered me apps to import, so all's good with the backup. I proceed to wipe system, flash a more recent PAC (4.3, August 21st nightly), all working good.

However, I can't seem to use TitaniumBackup to import from nandroid backups anymore, because whenever i start that option from the main menu, it tells me that the TWRP folder could not be found.

I assume this has to do with the Android 4.3 storage path change, but the fallbacks seem to be in place. These are the links in the file system:

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2013-08-23 16:57 sdcard -> /storage/emulated/legacy

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2013-08-23 16:57 /storage/sdcard0 -> /storage/emulated/legacy

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2013-08-23 16:57 /storage/emulated/legacy -> /mnt/shell/emulated/0

drwxrwxr-x root sdcard_rw 2013-08-23 16:40 /mnt/shell/emulated/0

This is the mount entry:

/dev/fuse /mnt/shell/emulated fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1023,group_id=1023,default_permissions,allow_other 0 0

Any ideas, you guys? Thanks.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] jlinn75:
I called vzw customer service about doing an early upgrade ..my upgrade date is 11/17/2013.. They said they would but I have to wait 30 days after the lauch date to do it. HTC wont allow it before 30 days.. I am like do what. You can locked the bootloader and load your bloatware but HTC wont let you do an early upgrade.. Has anyone encountered this before.. Thanks.. I was really looking forward to having this phone today..

UGH

TIA
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] bjaxon:
Verizon makes up their own rules. Why, because they can.

I'm sure HTC could care less if you upgraded early to get another one of their phones on the street.
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] kirakun:
Hey guys, i'm thinking to switch phones and would like ur advice on this lg p768 ( with the 8mp camera). I would have liked the p765, but only the p768 is available in my country and its priced about 221usd here.

Thing is, i'm choosing between galaxy s3 mini and this one. But i'm bored of touchwiz, its good, but samsung phones have some degree of lag; this coming from a galaxy s3 with jb which my friend lent to me. I like LG UI too, it looks clean, cartoonish and with great launcher transitions, its lockscreen is pretty sweet too.

The only things i fear are: The screen, its covered with plastic and when u press hard, u can see the "ripple" of lcd, the phone felt too light when i held it. Is the viewing angle good? Can u get decent view under sunlight? Did these affect u in ur usage?

Is the camera performance good? Bcause i would like to take snaps of friends, myself, nature etc... I don't usually record, but it could come in handy... Does stock lag on daily usage or when heavy multitasking?

How is the sound quality and video playback? Does music sound good? Can it play 1080p videos with no lag on Mx player?

I mainly use camera, listen to music and watch videos and i need good view in sunlight conditions. Surprisingly i don't use internet much. And how is battery life?

Edit: oh yes, i will stick mainly with stock, and use custom roms only if they are really good or official cm10.2. I'm also hoping for ubuntu to come.. How is development going for the phone, does it have a good future with custom roms? Is there any official cyanogenmod?

Thank you :)
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] mrmathematica:
How much is a S3 mini in your country? Looking at the difference:

S3 has 5MP Camera while P768 has 8MP; plus for L9; and I think the camera for P768 is good.

S3 has 8/16G Internal memory while L9 has only 4MB (and not very friend to use). If you are going to have custom ROM and external memory anyway, not a big deal; but otherwise you will prefer S3 mini on this;

S3 mini 1500 mAh battery; L9 2150 mAh; plus for L9

For the screen, L9 has 4.7 inch while S3 mini is 4 inch. I can't feel the difference between the IPS LCD and Super AMOLED in terms of viewing angle or under sunlight. They are both good to me.

Sound quality is low for L9, in terms of volumn, comparing to Samsung.

As for ROMs, there are official CM for P760, both 10.1 and 10.2. With some tweak, they work for P768:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2405697

At the end, you know what you judge more important, and only you can do the best choice
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] kirakun:
Thanks for the reply, the s3 mini is approximately the same, i think its slightly cheaper too (i thought it would be more expensive). Hmm considering that s3 mini will get the 4.2.2 update, i think i might go with it, the pictures look better too on the s3 mini. Both have flaws, but i think that s3 mini might be better suited for me, because i usually tend to stay with stock.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brookey12:
Hi guys, Ive just bought a new Samsung Galaxy S4

I had the s3 and loved it but thought id get the S4, (I'm on the Three network UK If this helps)

Anyway with the s3 i rooted it, Installed CF Root, and siyah kernel and worked a treat

So when i had my S4 today i thought id root it, So i followed this video: youtube.com/watch?v=vlsO5o_-CI8 did everything and everything worked fine, then i thought oh ill put the siyah kernel on from here d-h.st/users/siyah/s3 and was completely in a daze didn't even read where it said s3 or anything (Yes i know im thick as two short blanks but i do apologize in advance) and when i flashed the siyah kernal it got stuck on the booting screen where it says Samsung Galaxy S4 GT-I9500 and nothing is budging it, nothing at all.

Anyway so i looked at troubleshooting things and here's what i have tried

*Taking Battery out

* Recovery mode (Power, Home and Volume Up button) clicked factory reset wipe data etc

So im out of options and in desperate need of help as i dont know what else to do so im desperate, i know im a dope for installing something but as i said i was in a daze and just doing it automatically which i know is no excuse but i am sorry.

So can anyone help as i do hope so,

Thanks in advance
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brookey12:
Sorry Guys Its the Samsung Galaxy S4 GT-i9505 not the i9500, Its the i9505,

Apologies
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samersh72:
flash stock kernel with odin from here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2252855
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brookey12:
Ok ill try that and get back to you asap i have a pretty slow internet connection so what ill do is download it and hotfile is slow unless you have premium of course so ill get back to you asap, cheers
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samersh72:
download the kernel only it is about 6 mb
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brookey12:
Will the kernal work then?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samersh72:
it should, because you flashed wrong kernel,

if not, you have to flash the whole stock firmware
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brookey12:
Nope the kernal didnt work, So gonna have to try the stock firmware,

that would should 100% work is it?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samersh72:
yes.

maybe you have a corrupted partition due to the wrong flash so you need a pit file with the firmware, see my signature for tutorial
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brookey12:
Im reading it now you know where it says: Step 4) unzip the downlowded file (from second or third post), u will get a Home.tar file.

Where do i get that file from what second or third post?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samersh72:
in the same thread, see second post for official stock i9500 download and third post for I9505 stock firmware download
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brookey12:
Got it, You know u said i need the pit file with the firmware, what exactly do i do with the pit file after i have downloaded it?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samersh72:
first flash the firmware as pda in odin, if odin gives you "no pit file" when flashing, so you must put I9505 pit file in odin as pit with the firmware as pda and flash. (all explanations are mentioned in my thread :good:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brookey12:
Ok downloading the stock fw now ok, ill keep ya updated
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brookey12:
thank you thank you thank you, ur a legend it works!!!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] wardy:
Just Upgraded to the Qtek S110 can anyone tell me if I can use Imate ROMS on it , can't seem to find a QTEK website with Upgrades etc for QTEK device .

Any way the Jam is on Ebay , hope this is allowed so sorry in advance Admin and of course I will remove if asked.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5794794036&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MESE:IT&rd=1
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] muffnman:
I, and a few other users have noticed that Verizon decided to have HTC strip out their battery saver toggle on the Sense ROM (4.2.2) that ships on VZW's One.

Luckily, Qualcomm provides a standalone application which covers 90% of what the toggle does.

Snapdragon™ BatteryGuru

https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Xiam+Technologies+Limited,+a+Qualcomm+company

(personally, I haven't found the need to use it yet, but I figured it would help some people)
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Pem3108:
Thanks man, I was looking for that battery saver mode everywhere, but I guess this will do as well.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] chuck-fu:
Thanks for this info. Anyone know if this is particular app will perform better from more generic battery extenders like Juice Defender?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] 91ludesit:
According to the reviews all it does schedule syncing. Don't know how that is going to save battery...
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Syn Ack:
Battery saver apps are a joke. The only thing I liked about power saver mode was that it cut the CPU frequency down and cut data off after a certain period of time. Other than that, if you need to save more just turn your brightness down, turn off bluetooth, use WiFi as much as possible, and use the phone less.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] andybones:
for my personal use, I 100% agree.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] sbreen94:
1+ lol
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] dweidman:
I normally agree - I realized the other day though, that I don't need background *push* email - but I'd like to have my phone "fetch" email every time I wake it up. Anyone know of anything like that?

(there is a manual setting, but it is when you *enter* the mail app, I'd like it to fetch every time I use the phone.)

-D
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] Syn Ack:
Think about how often you "actually" need to have your emails and set it to that. For me, my Yahoo emails I don't need it to check but once hourly. But Gmail is push automatically so I won't mess with that. My corporate email defaulted to push but I often don't need it to constantly update and annoy me so I'm contemplating on 30 min intervals. Setting your emails to longer intervals should reduce that "email stress" that most people seem to endure these days.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] tech_head:
The app has low power mode controls.

You can turn off mobile data during inactivity.

Some other features.

It basically gives you battery saver control on any Snapdragon based device.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] BreakingVZW:
Lol you could always just use BoneStock ROM. Andy threw the battery saver apk from (can't remember dev's handle. sorry) back in it.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] andybones:
It was actually an .XML edit.

but sane difference :)
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] BreakingVZW:
Yeah... That's what I said... XML :silly:
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] dspcap:
What does that battery saver actually do on the phone?
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] BreakingVZW:
It limits CPU, dims display and disables vibration feedback. Basically everything you can do yourself in stock and if you have a CPU app like SetCPU. Just a one click option that Verizon took out bc they hate battery life I guess idk.
[Verizon HTC One (M7)] aer0zer0:
Im running bonestock now, and the power saver has increased my battery life fairly significantly, i'll take that, because at first i wasnt impressed with the battery life, and i watched the ifixit tutorial on how to tear this phone apart to replace a battery, and i want nothing to do with that
[General Questions and Answers] rodrigo9411:
I have a 2013 Nexus 7 and had no problems during the first week. One night i left it at 100% charge, and woke up to 70% i checked cpu spy and the device did not go into deep sleep. I literally tried EVERYTHING: factory reseted, rooted, installed custom roms and kernels and NOTHING fixed the deep sleep issue. Not even the JSS15Q update. I downloaded BetterBatteryStats and the process "pil-gss" and "powermanagementservice" are wakelocking the device. I did buy the nexus on Best Buy but i dont live on the us so its impossible for me to return it. I googled about "pil-gss" and didnt fint anything relevant. Please someone help me, the nexus is an amazing device but with the battery draining i think i will not be able to use it anymore