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[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
In my opinion it's not really the OS that's the issue, it's that there are so many apps that haven't been updated/optimized for it. Just cause the app installs and doesn't crash doesn't mean it's running properly and not wakelocking.

The xda app is a prime example. It hasn't been updated since 2012 and I have to force close it every time I want to type, I should uninstall it.

The problem I do see with the os however is that it bundles so much crap under 2, maybe 3 fields making it so hard to track things down. This is why everyone blames Android OS. Not to mention it's nigh impossible to see stats unless you have root now.

Either way my phone is running great, minimal apps. I've even gotten to the point where I've installed apps, used them and uninstalled... Hopefully that doesn't create issues later on.

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[Moto X General] slappydj1:
I have a lot of android os usage. My android os usage is usually above my screen on time.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
That's still great times. Your on pace for 28 hours with almost 5 hrs screen.

If you don't mind me asking, what exactly do you do when your screen is on, are you reading? Watching videos? Any apps in particular.

The reason I ask is because you're Android OS time and screen time are way to close to be a coincidence. I also wonder if Wi-Fi might have an effect cause I don't use that.

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[Moto X General] slappydj1:
I have a VZW moto x. No motomaker or anything. stock 4.4.2. I disabled apps I don't need root to disable. Location is on battery saving, auto brightness is on. I'm on WiFi most of the time.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
If you were trying to lower the Android OS percentage I would turn location off for a day. Then I would try device only mode for a day. I'm fairly certain you will see an improvement. Otherwise keep doing what your doing cause it's working well.

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[Moto X General] tluley51:
Could someone possibly help me?

Just recently, I mean within the last 2 days here, I have been getting TERRIBLE battery drain. I have not done anything weird or out of the ordinary from when my battery was good to great. The ONLY thing different is Hulu+ and I use it at night when I am home from work, but I have it Greenify'ed anyway. Here are my stats:

I would rather not wipe, but if it comes to it, I guess I will have to. Google Now has been on this whole time, even when battery life was great. I have location on battery saving.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
For some reason I can't see your photos so pardon if my line of questioning seems retarded.

Are you talking about a drain during the day before hulu or while watching?

Have you tried uninstalling hulu and seeing if it goes back to normal?

When the drain is occurring, have you checked under apps to see what was running?

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[Moto X General] tluley51:
try viewing them now...

I am talking about drain BEFORE watching Hulu, during the day, all day.

I have not because it says my drain (according to wakelock detector) is from Google Search??? Weird...

I have any battery or data intensive app greenify'ed so I don't think any rogue apps are eating it.

It can't be Google Now, I wouldnt think...I was running with Google Now just fine a few days ago...Even with the Google Launcher running.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
What's your screen on time?

Definitely check running apps and kill anything unnecessary.

Restart your phone, might be a one time thing.

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[Moto X General] tluley51:
Screen on time is 30 mins. See previous page for more screen shots.
[Moto X General] tu3218:
Well after 24 hours after factory reset, my Android OS is right back up to 20% :(. It started out well around 6% but at one point I looked at it and it was back up there. I didn't install my apps one by one, I just installed all my apps that I definitely need and use every day. But I still think I'm doing good on battery. Since I unplugged this morning, it's been 10 hours, and I'm at 82% battery, with 30 SOT. I know I haven't used my phone much but I still think that's pretty good. Better than my S4 when I had that so I can't complain.
[Moto X General] tluley51:
If you ask me, that's very good. Before I was getting this terrible drain the last couple days, i wasn't even getting those numbers. Close, but not quite THAT good.
[Moto X General] :
If you have location on, and some stuff syncing...and whatever else enabled....20 percent is not that unusual. Doesn't mean your battery life will be all bad tho. ;)

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[Moto X General] tu3218:
Which I do have everything turned on(wifi, location(battery saver), bluetooth, 2 gmails syncing. I just assumed around 10% for Android OS because that's what I keep reading what it should be. But as you guys said, my battery life is pretty good as is so I'm happy. I love this phone soo much. Haven't enjoyed a phone like this since the OG droid.
[Moto X General] :
I'd say 20 percent is good with all that running. ;)

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[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Just an update...

I would have waited to 1 percent but I'll be out late and need to charge

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[Moto X General] moro30:
in your opinion what is the best firmware (en.DE, en.US, en.EU, en.FR or Tmobile) for the best reception and radio signal in moto X developer edition unlocked? i live in italy
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Unfortunately I'm no help in that department. I never flashed the modems only the system files. I have no issues with T-Mobile radio but I'd assume the one for your area would be best.

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[Moto X General] helldogg75:
I must be one of the lucky ones. Sitting on 13 hours at 53% battery left.
[Moto X General] tu3218:
But with what kind of usage? How much SOT? Just yesterday I went 10 hours, SOT of 30 min and was only at 80%.
[Moto X General] moro30:
this is mine:

21 hours, 1 hour and 11 minutes SOT, 46% remaining. all active, night included, 1 account gmail, 2 account with k9mail in push (every 6 hours) beautifull widget, localization in battery saving, google location service active.

Is good or bad???
[Moto X General] helldogg75:
Average use. Less than two hours of screen time. Look, this phone is spoiling me. I came from an Atrix HD that had a 1780mAh battery.
[Moto X General] tu3218:
Yeah, I'd say that's really solid.

Wow, this truly is a big step up for you.
[Moto X General] helldogg75:
You bet!
[Moto X General] KpyTou yokep:
Today I had 1d 14h with some WiFi and BT while screen on. SOT is 4h15m. Still have 1%...

But I think it's worse than can be. Discharge in Airplane mode was the same as Standby+WiFi+BT. That just can't be! Standby waste too much energy and the use/idle ratio tends to zero.
[Moto X General] :
I find standby with wifi on or airplane mode about the same too. Never figured that one out. But getting about 1 percent per hour in either mode.

I gave up trying to cut it down since the phone goes well over 24 hours with 5 plus screen hours. :)

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Lol...no

1hr 15min screen on

- Ram
[Moto X General] southern87:
Not to shabby for att 4.4.2
[Moto X General] Bill H.:
Stock (not rooted) VZW Moto X today, about 2 hrs screen on time in this case. I shut down wireless and data when not needed, and use an app killer liberally.
[Moto X General] KpyTou yokep:
Hmmm. Still have 1% and already 2d 10h :eek: SOT the same 4h 20m. Once after newROM I already calibrate battery 100-0-100.
[Moto X General] moro30:
I do not understand how you can make more than 2 days and 4 hours diplay on? using some program that freezes the applications? what is the secret to doing this? : Confused: i just 1 day 14 hours with 2,5 hours screen on
[Moto X General] KpyTou yokep:
Yes, I use Deepsleep Battery Saver Pro (custom mode), it is like a STAMINA. And like Stamina, sometimes works fine, sometimes dont work. WiFi is ON only at home/metro/cafe, BT always, 2G most time, 20% brightness (but can set 5% with GravityBox), Touchless and AD is on.

Hovewer, I saw someone had 6 days. I cant achieve this, Airplane mode eats about 1%/h.
[Moto X General] ref1ux:
So my factory reset of a few days back made everything golden. I installed some more apps yesterday and now Android OS is killing me again. ARGGGHGH.

Now I'm uninstalling apps one by one to see which one it is. We'll see if I have any left by the end...
[Moto X General] :
If apps have made your android os usage rise, it'll be location related or syncing. Those are the two main things apps do to raise android os. So look for an app that uses those. :)

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[Moto X General] Guilhermewpds:
I am still not in the mood of trying to find the culprit for the bad battery times, but I believe found a workaround. Every time I switch between ART and dalvik I get the best time in the first day. I don't really know why it happens, but that time seems to be the one that we should get with our Xs.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
That's because you're essentially wiping those respective caches every day. Basically starting fresh.

All that proves is that it is an application causing your drain. Find it and remove it and you should be fine.

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[Moto X General] Guilhermewpds:
Yeah, I just haven't done it yet due to laziness. It's a pain having to start fresh when you need those apps daily. But when I have more time I'm sure I'll find the rogue app.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Interestingly enough, is there a way to tell which apps you installed last? Might help us figure it out when the draining starts.

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[Moto X General] Guilhermewpds:
Well, my battery has oscillated a lot lately, hence I decided to change to ART and, as I said previously, I noticed having far better battery life. That said, I believe the problematic app was there for a while now and I have no idea of what it could be. I' m uninstalling some unnecessary apps to see if I find it out, but no luck. But don't worry, as soon as I discover the culprit I'll have you guys informed [emoji6]
[Moto X General] Zerei:
msm_otg

Dou you guys know what the "msm_otg" kernel wakelock is?

It's keeping my device awake a lot, bumping the Android OS at 30% battery drain while 1h OST is also 30%. (I'm on 66% total). So, that's 11% for just Android OS alone!

Help would be appreciated! :D
[Moto X General] monorailmedic:
I've noticed the same on my N7(2012). msm_otg has to do with USB 'on the go' and has been seen by several in various threads, for various ROMs, various devices, etc as causing significant wake lock, even when OTG isn't used. I haven't seen any 'correction' to this, or an acknowledgment of a bug in the OS, which makes me think that some applications are accessing this process when they shouldn't. While suppose any application could be the culprit, it does make me want to uninstall all my file explorers and non-stock gallery applications to see if there is any difference there.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
I'm tempted to get back into app ops and disabling crap that apps shouldn't have access to.
[Moto X General] ragingd:
Hey I looked through this thread and did a search. Does anyone know what combined app wakelocks mean in GSAM? Im guessing this might be that GSAm puts all the wakelocks that I have installed into one place?
[Moto X General] achopraa:
Battery Life

From what I observed in my past 1 month of usage, that I get a screen time of around 4 hours with around 10-15% of batter left.

Thus, the sooner I keep the screen ON, the faster is the battery drain.

Typically the battery lasts around 12-15 hours for high to medium usage.

Needless to say, I am pretty happy with this.
[Moto X General] glarepate:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.james.SmartUninstaller
[Moto X General] s0u1:
This is my result after i removed all the apps which have been not updated since 4.4.2 and also calibrated the battery.

WiFi always on, Data on for about an hour, Bluetooth off, Location off.
[Moto X General] bcellis:
I'm not trying to spam, but I posted this in another battery-related thread and thought it might be helpful if not covered in the previous 220+ pages here already...

Just to update the stats I've only got ~8 mins of NlpCollectorWakeLock after 8 hours of use today. It's a big improvement but like I said, I'm sure there's more that can be done.
[Moto X General] Soldier 2.0:
Why would Google include a feature as battery draining as Wi-Fi always scanning for location. An average user would never disable that because he would probably never find or understand the feature.

Things like these make Android not user friendly.
[Moto X General] ram130:
And make it get a bad rep for battery life.
[Moto X General] bcellis:
Yeah, it certainly seems odd that a system feature like that would cause such a significant drain. Has anyone else tried disabling to see if they get similar results? Like I said, I tried a lot of different options to reduce or eliminate wakelocks but I'm pretty sure I reverted everything back to "normal" except that one. (Normal being location features enabled, no specific app permissions disabled, etc).
[Moto X General] ram130:
Just enabled it. So far I'm at 1%/hr drain. Will keep monitoring.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
I think the bigger issues are that the "low power" mode drains more battery than device only, which is misleading and that Google Now tells you to leave location on 24/7 for weather and traffic alerts... I drive the same roads six days a week, I know what the traffic is like and chances are if I'm driving, I can see what the weather is like too. :D Heck if I'm not driving, I'm pretty sure I know where I currently am. I just can't find a good reason to leave GPS on all the time.

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[Moto X General] :
One of the problems with location services on the whole, and its not Google's fault, is the more apps you have that use it....the higher battery drain and android os are.

I know people with 6 different chat type apps and who knows what else....and they all access location services so your buddies can see where you are all the time....not to mention they all sync one way or another...so more battery and android os use....and they're battery lives suck generally. LOL

I know many want those location services running for convenience ....but sorry, battery will take a hit....from a small drain to huge, depending on your apps.

That's just how it is. My advice is always the same....turn location off. Toggle it on when you need it. And see the difference for yourself. And a few I know with tonnes of these location using apps, had huge battery improvement.

If you don't have many apps using location, then on paper anyway, it shouldn't drain too much. The problem is, some people have no clue what apps are actually using the service.

:)

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[Moto X General] theremix:
Phone app keeps held awake time very high and I have to greenify it at certain hours. Any solution for this on 4.4? Is this fixed in 4.4.2? Idon't have tmobile visual voicemail app installed, so I know it's not that.

Thanks!
[Moto X General] ram130:
And it helps prevent the 10% CPU bug that happens.
[Moto X General] alhadee12:
I'm on Verizon, which apps should I be concerned with?
[Moto X General] :
There's many apps that access location services. Some that you wouldn't even understand why. LOL

You need an app, like app ops, that will reveal all the app permissions.

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[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
How do you achieve that? How do you calibrate the battery? I got my Moto X last week and I have't rooted yet. I'm getting around 4:30hrs of screen on time with 15hours of total time. I'd like to get at least 5 hours with 18 hours of screen on time :rolleyes:
[Moto X General] s0u1:
since its only been a week give it a few more days and the battery performance should increase. i suggest you uninstall all the apps which have not been updated since 4.4.2 (that is, if youre on 4.4.2) and you can follow this link to follow the steps to calibrate your battery

http://motoxhub.com/how-to-solve-battery-life-problem-of-moto-x-after-kitkat-android-4-4-update/

PS: one complain i have with the moto x is the idle drain, on my iPhone 3gs i used to go from 100% to 97-98% overnight, with the moto x i end up with something like 92-93, other than that its a fantastic phone.
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
What apps might they be? ::confused: I'm pretty much stock except whatsapp, Dropbox and 5 light games. Are you on ART?
[Moto X General] Guilhermewpds:
Ok, so after being fed up of uninstalling apps, I decided to go for a reset. So I did it twice and began fresh, but, for my surprise, things haven't improved as expected. Those times were mainly on LTE/HSPA+, with music and a little web browsing. The only app installed is a last.fm scrobbler - I really forgot to install gsam - and it seems pretty bad for a just-reseted phone, totally stock. I would appreciate any advice or help from you.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
im not sure if someone mentioned this in this thread or not already. I know i saw it mentioned once before somewhere. The bug might also just be related to eclipse rom. But when i get a missed call, my dialer app keeps the phone awake indefinitely until i either use the dialer again. It may stop on its own after i make my phone wake itself up. Not exactly sure what makes it stop. But i had 25% battery before i went to a practice. Got a missed call. Came back to 8% battery 2 hours later. My phone had been held awake for 45mins which was i first got the missed call.
[Moto X General] :
You have a mediocre signal, and your phone is being held awake it looks like. Unless that's all music?

Anyway, do a full discharge without rebooting, and explore the gsam sections...or post screens of it here.

Stock battery usage screen don't help much. :)

And is location on? Turn off location history, or location off period. For now. And in Google settings app, android device manager, those two things are battery chompers too. Turn off Google now in search section too...for now.

See how that goes.

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---------- Post added at 05:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:26 PM ----------

That happened a lot on my S2. Haven't really seen it on my newer devices.

On the S2 it was so consistent, I always rebooted after using the phone. Crappy solution ....but its that or force close the phone app. Rebooting seemed easier. :)

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[Moto X General] zerogun:
Install Wakelock Detector and see what's keeping your phone up. If it's an app, then I would install greenify and greenify it. If it's your Kernel that is high, then it's most likely Android Device Monitor, or Wifi Always scanning, or Moto Assisst.
[Moto X General] Guilhermewpds:
Most of the awake time was music, almost 3 hours, but no streaming. Location is set to battery saving, will disable and see what I get, ADM was already turned off. The signal thing is a bummer, I have to take great distances daily and the reception is pretty bad almost everywhere. What bugs me is thar you can see in the gsam screenshot that even with almost no useI had a huge drain in battery, which I think is related to the bad data connectivity. Gonna try your tips and see what I get.
[Moto X General] :
Try what I said....just to see if there's a difference.

I'm really becoming an advocate of location services off....then toggle on and off when actually needed. Sure, its a nice feature and convenient when it's always on.....but it CAN really hurt the battery life. Depending what's accessing it all day. ;)

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[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Okay finally achieved the 6hr range. Albeit by sacrificing toucheless control Google now active notifications and mobile network! I also deactivated gesture camera

Not happy :/ I want this with all those above activated.
[Moto X General] :
I'm betting you can get nearly as good times with active on and touchless.

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[Moto X General] s0u1:
then you should be good. also, set the screen to auto brightness and use WiFi whenever you can instead of data.
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
I'm trying to find out what the culprit is. Today I charged the phone and unplugged at 3am and then turned off the airplane mode. Left the phone on idle and checked the phone at 7am, it was still saying charged. I guess mobile data is not the culprit.

Next I'm going to turn on the following one by one:

Active Display

Touchless controls (I have a feeling this is the culprit. Maybe not training it in a quiet place increases the power it consumes to identify the launch phrase?)

Camera gesture

Google Now
[Moto X General] Parradox:
I just purchased MotoX on T-Mobile and couldn't be happier with my battery life!
[Moto X General] :
Sounds good! ;)

Let us know how your test goes.

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[Moto X General] s0u1:
i have all of the above enabled and i can tell you they use minimal battery, it may be one of the apps which have gone rogue
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Well in addition to those, I logged out of G+ and disabled ADM. Maybe it was G+ auto back up?

EDIT: I'm 6hrs in and battery at 99%
[Moto X General] :
My money is always on location services. Its not always the problem.....but for many it has been. ;)

Or a bad app using location services relentlessly.

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Well...I think your right about location. Disabled it, charged a little differently then unplugged and woke up to this:

And as the day went on with about a hour screen on:

Ended the day with 24hr stand by and 3hr screen. Which is good since I did a good amount of internet radio streaming via Bluetooth on LTE.

Anyway for Today I finished a second cycle to test. Got 14hr and 3hr 30min screen. So it is definitely stable. But still testing...

See the other screen shots here: https://plus.google.com/110686256095806218543/posts/h9nQNPbW629
[Moto X General] :
Wow! 0.1 percent drain. Amazing! I get that on my N7...0.3 on my N5....but never got better than 0.8 on my X.

You sure did something right there. ;)

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[Moto X General] ram130:
Yep. Guessing you have location off on the nexus devices as well?

My friend gets 0.3% on his X too. Usually ends with 4 day stand by and 3hr screen.
[Moto X General] :
I've never felt the need for location on....since my first android. I just toggle it when needed. :)

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[Moto X General] I Am Marino:
How are you guys pulling that kind of standby drain and usage overall?

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[Moto X General] southern87:
So I turned off Google now and over 6 hrs had a .8 hr drain

The night before I had a 5% drop with ds battery saver pro enabled and it went 9.5 hrs. That's about .5 hr
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Looking at everyones idle drain I thought I needed to root ( I really don't want to root this phone ). Here is what I did to get that kind of idle drain.

1. Signed out of G+

2. Disabled dropbox

3. Uninstalled any kind of apps that runs in the background like twitter, messenger. ( I only have whatsapp and Gmail that keep syncing)

4. Signed out of Hangouts

5. Disabled Active Notifications

6. Disabled touchless controls

7. Disabled Camera gesture from Camera settings

8. Disabled ADM in Google Settings app

9. Switched off the GPS.

I had < 0.3%/hr drain with this setup

Idle drain was excellent with this setup!

Now I'm enabling some of them to narrow down whats causing the drain.

I reactivated these:

1. Active Notifications

2. Camera gesture

so far I am getting 0.4%/hr.

Going to reactivate tonight:

1. Hangouts

2. Dropbox

Will report back tomorrow :)
[Moto X General] I Am Marino:
I couldn't imagine the camera gesture took up that much battery. I'm betting on GPS.

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