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[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
google service framework --> it should download and install automatically without you doing anything but if it hasn't done so you can update manually by side loading the apk. They just released several revisions to it in the past week that are supposed to help battery life out dramatically.

google search--> this is the app that was not up-to-date on my phone. It said under "my apps" in google play store that it was updated but when i went to "all apps" and scrolled down to it it said that it was not up-to-date. No idea why this is true, but i updated it. My battery life doubled over the past 5 days. not kidding. it really doubled. my average life was 1 day 4-6hours and now im at over 2 days. I have not let it die completely but i have been at 2 days 3 hours with my standard usage as it was approaching 1% battery. given my standard usage is not much but that is besides the point.
[Moto X General] tekanina:
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[Moto X General] aledex:
Yes I'm definitely going to try, I've lost 13% of battery life in less then one hour only using tapatalk under 3G, it's quite absurd having turned off pretty much everything.
[Moto X General] tekanina:
Yeah sounds like the same situation I was having. I was trying everything to save battery life but nothing made a difference. I was searching for things to do and one of the suggestions was to let it die and recharge with phone off. I was very surprised when this thing stayed 1% for so long. I'm finally starting to enjoy my phone now after 4 months of wanting to throw it at the wall.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
Can you give me a URL for the framework and the current version number? I cannot find it anywhere. All searches lead up to Google play services
[Moto X General] ram130:
Hey. I'm glad it worked for you. And for other cycles you don't have to wait until 1%..,rather any point in between now. Like 10%,20%, etc.. just power off and charge. Maybe go down to 1% until dead like once every two-three weeks.
[Moto X General] tekanina:
Okay awesome thanks for the advice. I'm actually very impressed with it now.
[Moto X General] ram130:
No problem. A lot of testing and confirming with moto there was a problem before I found a consistent solution.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
ya i am an idiot. my bad. i wasn't paying attention to what i was writing. it is play services not framework. i just lost track about what i was talking about i guess. it is play services and google search.

google play services - 5.0.84(1259630-036) this should have been pushed to your phone by now but maybe not. Im also not aware if the version changes based on phone type or not.

google search - 3.5.16.1262550.arm this is the one that i had to force update under the "all apps" section of the google play store.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I updated Google services framework to 444. We'll see how that goes
[Moto X General] aledex:
Mmh it seems that it wasn't the same case as yours... In fact the phone switched off after some minutes at 1%. I've let it recharge for 2 hours and half while off and then turned it on, but there is still battery drain even if I haven't any app open (besides amazon app shop, because I've bought there smart launcher plus) and aCalendar+.

PS: I am now at 95% after 16 minutes
[Moto X General] tekanina:
I did forget to mention I'm not on stock ROM. I'm using q9naps gpe edition ROM which strips out everything except active display. I'm considering switching to stock to see what my results would be like.
[Moto X General] aledex:
That changes quite a lot! :D

Sadly I don't have intention to mod my phone at the moment... By the way it behaves nicely while in stand by, the problem is with screen on! Well I don't really know if there is a problem, it lasts more than a day anyway with 4 hours of screen...
[Moto X General] tekanina:
I can see the sot being a problem I reinstalled touch less controls and assist and my battery seem to drain much faster while using the phone but overnight I had about 2.5% a hour drain. Its such a tough decision as to whether or not I'll keep them installed. I can do with out all the moto care and ID stuff but the others come in handy from time to time.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
the purpose is to charge it without turning the phone on so that the android doens't control the charging. turning it on half way through does not accomplish the purpose of doing it in the first place. just fyi.
[Moto X General] aledex:
Yes, I know, I had to remove it from charging because of a storm, but it was fully charged when turned on. It usually requires very little time to complete a charging, usually around 1.5h / 2h. I've let it on charge an hour more, so...
[Moto X General] SanD-82:
Let's assume here's a rogue app on my phone, that causes draining due to something kk related...

Shouldn't it also be present on WiFi?

I mean, if the app has some kind of incompatibility with kk, it should produce the draining on WiFi as well...

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[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
oh i thought you said you turned it on halfway through charging, not that you turned it on when it was already charged to 100%. FWIW, when i do it i click the volume button to see when it is at 100%. after it gets to 100%, i take it off the charger before turning it on. no idea if this has any effect at all but thats just how i do it.

no not really. the app could run perfectly on wifi and not on mobile data. it has code set up dependent on what state the phone is in. whether wifi is on, whether the wifi has internet, whether the wifi is connected to a router, and whether you are not on wifi but using mobile data. also, android handles how it treats apps differently based on those states as well. so there could be conflicting problems that the app is handling incorrectly depending on the state of the phone. android ccould tell it something when it is connected to mobile that causes the app to do something different then when it is connected to wifi, or if wifi is on, or if wifi is on but not connected to a router, or whether wifi is on and not within range of any router at all, or whether wifi is on is connected to a router but it doens't have internet.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
4 hrs sot with a day is fine i think, if not good or great.. I can't usually even get that.. i've been averaging 3-3.5hrs of sot with 16-18 hrs total. It seems like i can't get past 4 hrs no matter what i do. Although I do have everything on currently ( google now, syncing, active display, touchless controls, etc) so its not too bad...

What kind of results are people getting with everything on?
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Is that the Wireless Display icon in the tray? I know from experience that WiDi seems to drain the battery very quickly...I always turn it off the moment I'm finished using it.

Also, very curious what the little 'fox' icon is in your tray?

I like the theme - specifically your custom NAV buttons.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
No it's my Tasker icon for the program I'm currently watching on cable

I just got an invite to guide box's api. I might develop this one a little more after I'm done recovering from surgery..
[Moto X General] SanD-82:
I've uninstalled a few apps, but I'm quite sure they won't make any difference... I'll keep you posted...

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[Moto X General] abuttino:
Try uninstalling any battery saving programs like greenify
[Moto X General] :
My friend....I told you how to track down your issue. Yes, its work....and inconvenient.... But it appears to be the only way at this point. ?
[Moto X General] abuttino:
Finally made it through a complete charge with absolutely no keep-awake time on Android OS!!!! If I wasn't on the damn phone all day long, my phone would probably be OK till midnight.

Days like this, I'm very glad I bought a battery pack (Moto P4000).. Should be arriving in Thursday!
[Moto X General] SanD-82:
Oh yes, and I appreciate that...

Let me elaborate about my disbelief about uninstalling apps...

I've gone through the list of apps that according to android were running... There where just a few that I don't often use, as Facebook (it had no auto refresh configured)... Uninstalled it...

There where a few more that I did use, but didn't use when I was at jb... Those where gsam, system monitor lite, and internet speed meter... All gone...

So my running apps list is quite short if I do not take the phone's apps them self... I've messenger running, volume control (no refresh, just used via widget), 3g watchdog and that's about it... I have no other process that's not phone related...

I could perform a wipe data, the thing is that I think I would achieve the same thing as now: just having moto/Google stuff running...

I'll also update my findings on battery time on WiFi, jb vs kk art...

Kk battery time on WiFi is better than on jb...

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[Moto X General] :
I didn't suggest a data wipe or even factory reset tho.....I suggested a total wipe, except internal SD....and a fresh stock flash. And then test to see how it is on a totally fresh and clean install. :)

Then installing a handful of apps per day.

You will find the drain much easier this way.

But, no one is forcing you. ;). Just seems you're running out of other options.
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I agree with [MENTION=4036181]KJ[/MENTION] .. A dB might be corrupted, a stock app might be getting in the way, there are several unforseen "variables" in this situation that make it hard to diagnose.

My guess would be getting rid of that watchdog program to diagnose. If you have xposed enabled, disable it for the sake of diagnosing.

Measure the battery loss after a set amount of time with a full charge and close to no SOT; so that doesn't factor in as another variable to battery loss.
[Moto X General] SanD-82:
Thanks for the suggestions...

I have a limited data plan, so I would not uninstall that app for the time being...

I'll double check the android counter itself, and if I found it to be reliable and usefull to avoid extra charges, then I would disable the 3rd party app...

Now, something that I commented on another forum: wifi life both on jb and kk compared...

A few days ago I posted that I got these values:

I didn't upload the screens at the time, but here they are:

I've also found an older forum post, I had stock JB at the time (april)...

Here are the JB screens:

If I crunch the numbers as before, this is what I got on JB:

MotoX on JB consumed 1% of battery for every 51 minutes on wifi (Actually, there was a bit of 3g)

As there are differences with the screen time, I'm going to "push" the KK's values from 77 minutes to 138, to see how the power consumption would had been:

So... Summing up... Even thought there was a bit of 3g at JB, I think KK has better standby time on wifi...

Worst case: it's the same (jb had some time on 3g)... But I feel it's improved in KK with ART...

It's my personal opinion that KK has some kind of issues with mobile data...

Will update if anything comes up!
[Moto X General] abuttino:
If you are getting two days out of the battery, you shouldn't be complaining. That's more than most of us dream of
[Moto X General] SanD-82:
Im not complaining about the battery life on WiFi, I have been very clear that I've noticed the battery life on mobile networks got impacted big time with KitKat...

Also, have you tried to not use your phone, sync off, location off, and WiFi on?... Even though I admit its a good thing on WiFi, I didn't use the phone that much...

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[Moto X General] abuttino:
I have other factors draining the battery, like Tasker.

Hopefully, the x+1 with the bigger battery will help, cause, I am not going to disable Tasker. It is instrumental in my home automaton
[Moto X General] xxBrun0xx:
Now, in my home, I get a very spotty signal. Where I work, my signal comes and goes as well. So typically, I leave airplane mode on at work, since I don't have Wi-Fi anyways. However, Even with the phone in airplane mode the majority of the day, I'd be lucky to get 3 2.5 hours of screen on time. And when I'm home all day on weekends and such, I can get 3 hours of straight gaming. I'm sure the crappy signal isn't helping, but how are you guys getting 5+ hours screen on time? Running faux kernel (seems better than stock, but still only getting 2.5-3). Faux's app and wake lock detector both agree that the phone is sleeping just fine. Any ideas? On T-Mobile version using att. Thanks!
[Moto X General] Grishka11:
I get nearly 2/3 of the day. Miss those good old times when you could use your phone for a week without ever needing a power outlet.
[Moto X General] hlaraujo:
Well, I don't, cause back then I could only use my phone for a week because I couldn't use it to do almost everything my computer does, I couldn't listen to music with it, I couldn't play games with high resolution or even play super nintendo games (my favorite console) on it, I couldn't take pictures with the quality of real cameras, I couldn't control my whole house as do I do with tasker, I couldn't use it to find myself with GPS when I was lost, I could not dream of control my phone with my voice and STILL be able to text SMS and make calls with it. So no, I don't miss at all those times, if having a battery that lasts a day or even half of it is the price for all that, I really do think it is a really cheap one.

If you ever think of it, smartphones can do SO MUCH, in some aspects, even more than computers that it would take a battery with the size of your head to make it through a week, maybe, and then we all miss the practical size of a phone that can fit almost anywhere and still do almost anything you need in a daily use and we would be complaining about how big the phone is and that we would miss the good old days when phones could fit in our pockets.

My point is, nothing is perfect, the blame for batteries don't last that long nowadays is not only on the hardware or firmware or the size of your battery, it is also on all those features. So if you wanna a phone that last a week without a charge, you should go back to oldie and goldie phones with monochromatic screens and at most, with polyphonic ringtones.

By the way, since I rooted my phone, used app ops, tasker to turn GPS on and off when using certain apps and greenify, I got from 2/3 of a day to 24h of use, with 3h and a half of SOT with still 20% battery left, will take some screens and post here if you want.

EDIT: just reminded that I was also getting high android OS battery drain and data usage untill I turned off sync for chrome.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
Speaking of lasting a week, as someone who has had a zerolemon battery in my S3 the one thing that would make this phone perfect for me would be a bigger battery. I get around 6 hours SOT and sometimes it's still not enough. I got a 10k battery pack that I leave in my lunch bag for just those occasions. It works well, allows me to keep my phone slim etc. , but if Motorola made a Droid MAXX for T-Mobile I'd have one right now. I know I could use the current one but it's not the same and I'd have to wait for Verizon to update.... No thanks
[Moto X General] trey.mcd:
I'd love to see your "best practices" for app ops and tasker
[Moto X General] aledex:
Do you think it is normal to have such an "Android OS" battery usage?

Screen time is 2h, by the way.

P.s.: I'm on ART and I've disabled touchless control yesterday night, it seemed to have improved battery life, although I've jumped twice from 44 to 50% without any reason.

I have the automatic upload of photos by Dropbox turned on, and autosync is turned off.
[Moto X General] btnetro:
Battery on this phone is great. Can get a full day in busy mode, with my s4 could not get after 5pm and with the iphone 5 could not get after 2pm.
[Moto X General] camocamo:
I got the same problem. I'm looking for the issue but no results. I try to switch on ART, turn off the sync not needed and wipe the cache. What about the airplane mode? My Moto drain about 1%/h in airplane mode and disabling handsfree mode and active display doesn't help me.

Sorry for my english, i'm italian like you!
[Moto X General] aledex:
In teoria un consumo del genere di batteria dovrebbe essere ottimo, vorrei solo capire se è normale un utilizzo della CPU così elevato da parte di Piattaforma android (23% di batteria utilizzata, 2h di utilizzo CPU). C'è da dire che riavviando la percentuale si è bloccata al 23%.

Theoretically speaking a battery consumption like that should be ok, but I would like to make sure if it is normal a CPU usage such this from "Android OS" (23% battery used, 2h of CPU usage). On a side note, rebooting has apparently frozen it at 23%.
[Moto X General] :
Android OS lowers and rises depending on location services on or off...and how many apps are accessing it (yes, they will access it even when your not in the app...in a lot of cases...hence the huge amount of location based battery issues) and I am sure syncing apps play a role in android OS...the more apps syncing, the higher it goes. Google now affects it I am sure as well.

To test....go a day with location off, sync off, and gnow off....and android OS will probably be 10 percent or less at the end of the day.

If you're getting decent battery life, I wouldn't be concerned with it. ;)

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Oh...location history, and the options in android device manager should make it rise too. They are battery drainers as well.
[Moto X General] hlaraujo:
For App Ops I have disabled almost all apps access to location, except for locationservices, android system, google play services and google maps as I often use/need precise location from maps, and when I denied location access for those, I got some problems with setting a precise location, for everything else it is turned off. I also have denied access to all apps to keep awake, except for android system because I got afraid of doing something I shouldn't and since I haven't found anything on the net about it, I just let it be.

For tasker, I have only some basic profiles for simple automation like turno data on when not in wifi, play music when phones conected, turn GPS on when using maps and/or waze and then turn it off when not, not a big deal, in fact, the only profile I use that could help my battery is the GPS one.

By the way, I found out that App Ops only deny access to the network location, apps can still use your GPS

Dude, I think your battery is great. I'm assuming that with 1d and 12h with only 2h SOT and still 44% of battery, you haven't used much your phone, so your android OS is probably high because there is nothing left draining the battery, maybe if you use it more, something else will show on top and android OS drain will go down. For exemple, if you charge your phone completely and let it sit idle until it dies, without touching it, probably android OS will show with huge drain, but just because it was the only thing "running".

I THINK touchless control have a certain impact on battery because the phone has to be "listening" all the time, waiting for your commands, but I haven't seen much of a difference with it on/off.

As for your drop problems, if it only happens from 44 to 50%, I can only imagine it is a calibration problem. If it happens with other level of battery, maybe it is some app keeping your phone awake.

Also, signal strength has a great impact on battery and android OS usage, if you stay to much on a place with no signal, your phone will struggle for some signal and the drain will be higher.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
Thanks, I've been getting annoyingly high android Os usage and haven't been able to pin it down. Will try turning off sync for chrome and see if that helps!
[Moto X General] Soldier 2.0:
Enabling Wi-Fi scanning even when off has decreased android os battery usage for me.
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
Are you sure about this? For me it's increased the battery drain.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
Same here.. I had it enabled but disabling it seems to have decreased the android OS usage for me..
[Moto X General] Jason.DROID:
Disabling Google Location Reporting cut idle Android OS usage in half for me (~36% to ~17%). The only issue is that Google Now needs it for location stuff.

But, other things that sync in the background (Email/Exchange, apps with push notifications, etc.) will drive it up based on frequency.
[Moto X General] aarstar:
I seriously need help with my battery life. Just got this phone and am only getting around 9.5 hr on a charge. I just rooted to use some of the battery helper tools. It seems like my phone is awake 2/3 of the time despite only 1 hr screen time (please see attachments). Any ideas?
[Moto X General] :
Audible and pocket casts seem to be problems. Unless that is actual usage time for them????

That's all I see.
[Moto X General] jp1044:
Go into Wake lock Detector settings and enable 'Advanced Mode'. It will show you a more comprehensive list of what's going on.

Post a screenshot here if you still can't find the problem.
[Moto X General] aarstar:
Okay, thank you. I will look into Pandora/Audible and use the advanced mode in Wakelock Detector to see if it's more obvious what's going on.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
Pandora and audible only seem to be using an hour or total.. that looks like realistic usage.. but the actual awake time is much longer than that.. Must be android os/kernel stuff.. Using the advanced setting and looking at kernel wakelocks will help determine that..
[Moto X General] danny39:
I feel like that doesn't sound right, mind running a full day with "Wi-Fi Scanning when off" off and also while it is on to see if that was the actual factor or if another factor affected battery life?
[Moto X General] fargles:
Consistently getting these results with WiFi on (even when I'm not using it) and Bluetooth continually on.

This is an incredible phone for battery life. I can make it a whole day without needing a charger.

Sent from my Moto X using the XDA App.
[Moto X General] xxBrun0xx:
You kids and your baby batteries :P just switched from a moto x to a droid maxx and screen on time tripled. No signal in the house, so used to get about 2 hours screen on time with the x. Currently on track for 6 hours with no power saving of any kind. Have gotten over 8 :D
[Moto X General] tekanina:
Much better battery life. Still stuck at 1% for hours. But I'm impressed. Very impressed.
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
So, what did you done? I definitely don't see any wakeups during screen OFF.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
Probably no background services and/or google apps greenified. Android/Google apps are notorious for waking up the phone thousands of times in one power cycle.

I'm also interested in what he/she did but I need my email, texts, chats, etc at all times lol.
[Moto X General] tekanina:
WakeLock Terminator, I have nlpwakelockcollector, Nlpwakelock, checkinsevice and networklocationlocator terminated. Also using greenify. Network location on battery saving mode, no WiFi scanning. Deleted a bunch of system apps. Can't think of anything else atm.

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Everything works as it should I have all apps on auto sync and location still works.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
Wakelock terminator via Xposed? If that's the case I'll need to look up an ART compatible method.

Thanks for the info.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Funny thing is I have all those enabled but on stock and no root. Haha

- Ram
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
You are lucky bastard! %)
[Moto X General] tekanina:
I had actually stopped using xposed but realized it made no difference. But yes it is an xposed module. And those wakelocks are gone. Everything still works as it should. Not sure if its placebo or not but I also deleted the stock play services and found the wakelocks to slow down as well. Also heard it works the other way by deleting the updates so who knows.
[Moto X General] sudhanshupatil:
What might be the reason for so much battery drain from Android OS?
[Moto X General] ram130:
Your holding it wrong. ?

From moto. Some math kernel error, sensor usage and bugs that will help it in 4.4.4 update.