yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] The Solutor:
Well this is only a mechanical problem, there arent too many android phones that are close to the iphone size, excluding some clones.

With the recent trend where good phone=big phone, this is a problem.

On the SW side the problem is almost non existent, especially on JB.

Due to the model fragmentation is way more convenient to build accessories for iphones, but recently some android models gained the critical mass to attract the accessories maker.

As already told by the previous user, there are keyboards for Galaxy S3 and Galaxy S4, and there are a lot of models from different maker.

I care very little about them since the Phonton Q is already above what I consider the right size for a smartphone.

Also the S4 looks really too thick, given the keyboard are meant to be used with the S3/S4 as they are, while on my alcatel I removed the back cover to make the assembly slimmer
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] riahc3:
The Droid 5 will problably launch a few days/weeks after KitKat is released. Google/Motorola have no reason to release it before a update like KitKat.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] arrrghhh:
Just don't hold your breath.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Paitor:
Source?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
the whole thing is crap. It's the same keyboard carried over from the iphone. Plenty of room for a number row, but no. It turns the phone into a big beast. I hated it on my S3. Made it a bigh chunk too. Feels cheap. Keys feel cheap. Mine just sat and collected dust.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] The Solutor:
I dont know about the cinese S3 keyboarda. BTW, The NUU minikey I used with my Alcatel has a good tactile feedback (ltough not as good as Photon's one), it's reasonably thin, and last but not least the BT connection was reliable as a wired one, and I never faced a delay using it.

The whole assembly looked like a nokia N900, that means thick but not too tick, and way more comfortable in the hand of any recent super thin phone.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
Unfortunately we're not talking about what you're using, we're talking about these cheap hollow Chinese universal keyboard cases. Just go to the S3 thread on it. No one has a great experience with it. Typing on it starts with a delay then kicks in. No real problems after that. It just goes to sleep and typing wakes it up. The keys are stiff and hollow, the phone case is a bit bulky. The slider portion is okay and the tilting is nice. They keyboard itself kind of stinks. Again, it is the same keyboard used in previous smaller phones. That means even more bezel around the keyboard. Same one that was on the similar version to the S3 and iphone. No dedicated number row either. I have two for the S3 I couldn't even sell.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] The Solutor:
I know what you are talking about.

My point was that you can't put any S3/S4 keyboard in a basket.

The first one I saw was priced more than 80$, I suppose that this one is not the usual cheap product, and that the ones arrived later (often priced 20$ or so) are just clones of the first one, with a variable level of build quality, tactile feedback and so on.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
The Nuu Key for the Iphone 4 was good quality with a nice keyboard layout, albeit no dedicated number row. It was still a big chunk with a very hollow keyboard section. Their iphone 5 version went down hill. The keyboard went downhill, and many people who upgraded to the 5 and upgraded their keyboard were not happy. That keyboard is similar to the generic chinese crap that was linked to above and is the only one sold for the S3 regardless of what brand you're buying. Poking around for the S4 version, all the did was enlarge the bezel to fit the footprint of the S4 and make the slide in snap on case to fit. I had email correspondence with three different distributors who pursued me for feedback over the course of weeks when I was giving negative feedback about the case. Apparently it was for nothing.

It would not be too hard to do one of these right with a quality five row keyboard. I'd gladly pay $100 for one. The bulk is needless and there is much wasted space. Unfortunately, the same lack of effort in producing these is the same lack of effort shown by Motorola, Samsung and LG. The effort shown to trim the fat an create a premium slate is completely lost in producing a premium slider. Then the sales for it aren't that great, they blame the lack of interest and they either pass on making a successor or put the same minimal effort in. Overall designs are ancient. Screens are a generation behind, and often the keyboards seem to deviate adding odd shortcut keys and messing with layouts that worked. Moto kills the removable battery. I'm sure the removable storage will be next, and my 64gb card will be useless thus keeping me on my S4.

Not trying to sound combative, just frustrated these companies don't get it. People migrated away from slider phones because nobody made a premium one since the Epic. Everything since has had some compromise be it the screen, processor, battery, storage or just overall antiquated design. And then we all have to suffer with third party keyboards which are a poor substitute for people who know how to type and rely on tactile feedback for speed and accuracy. I just know I was much more productive on the Epic than I was on my Note 2, S3 and S4. And for the almost 3yrs I had my Epic, I've gone through the three phones mentioned trying to find the sweet spot for a phone I would actually like. I tried the PQ, but I got hung out to dry with a dying battery more times than I could count. Being tethered to a charger be it battery or outlet just isn't a viable option. So just a frustrated slate user longing for a premium slider to make a return. Samsung produces crap like the Mega, but it can't put a little effort into an S3 sized slider. Seriously, just take two S3's and put them together with screens touching and decrease the taper on the screen side to accommodate for the screen. Think that would be an ideal slider design. Bump up the battery a few hundred mAh since you'll have extra space, and you're good to go.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] idimitro:
Totaly understand you. Since my E72 become a totally dumbphone, I have been looking for Android keyboard phone and all of them are crap. I think this year is even worse. PQ was my first slider as I prefer portrait QWERTY phones. I start to realize PQ might be the last QWERTY phone for me. The thing that annoys me most is the shaky display and every time I click I feel the display moving from the base. I start to even wonder if I will get Droid 5 if it ever appears :confused:.

But there might be a different route. If THIS is real I would really start considering Q10 :fingers-crossed:
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
You would've liked the Epic over the PQ if you would have tried one back then. It caught flack early, but had a pretty big following after a bit to the point it had one of the longest runs before it was EOL'd by Sprint. I think the PQ's keyboard has too much travel. I don't like the key placement on top of the non-removable battery and sim for overseas use. Not to mention gimping on the screen res when the 4.3" Atrix had HD and qHD was already done with the Photon. So I can see it being lackluster as a first slider. But, the dedicated number row is key. Once you get used to not hitting alt to type a number, you won't want to go back. Plus you have all that real estate in landscape which makes working in Office apps so much nicer. Not to mention the 4-way nav keys for maneuvering around the screen and editing text. It's just so much more "functional" than any portrait qwerty. Well, in my opinion anyway.

If I'm stuck with a slate, the Galaxy S series just seems to be the best bang for the buck. Removable everything (battery, microSD and SIM), good screen quality and size, and fast enough. Does anyone else do a removable battery anymore? I thought LG did, but their last two generations have been fixed. Moto and HTC are fixed. It's a shame. They want you to use your phones more and more, especially in the cloud. Well it all eats the battery. At least Moto half gets it with the Maxx phones. But a Photon Q-Maxx? Doubt it.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] sol-invictus:
more rumours...

found new rumours on the following sites (from 2013-11-14):

http://motoringcrunch.com/news/motorola-droid-5-we-cant-wait-for-it-to-slide-into-our-lives/1001284/

http://www.sidhtech.com/news/motoro...ndroid-handset-we-need-in-our-lives/10023945/

new specs mentioned:

4.5” HD display

Tegra 4 processor

battery capacity 2800mAh

8MP camera which offers 1080p video recording

2MP front camera

but still no (semi-)official/valid source...
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] oTToToTenTanz:
Thanks for the update, sol-invictus! :good:

I was browsing the web on this topic today and found this http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/15/5104704/i-come-not-to-praise-qwerty-but-to-bury-it

This article builds a little bit of what dbpaddler already said in this thread. It's a good read though, with statements of what the OEMs think!

Edit: Oh, I think the specs mentioned in those rumors (@sol-invictus) were falsely taken from a post where a QWERTY fans wishes for specific specs: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/fd7a10a6fe?page=1
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] sol-invictus:
thx for that link, it's a fine read, summarizing the OEMs point of view...

i still hope that there will be a QWERTY successor of the Droid 4, in the best case from Motorola! and hopefully not without a sim card slot like the Photon Q, this is useless outside USA...
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] highlandsun:
Agreed. My Droid4 is still mostly working but the accelerometer died after being dropped a few times. I'm waiting for the Droid5. I use my phone for ssh primarily, you can't use that sanely with an on-screen keyboard.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Jayavarman:
Still waiting for news? :(
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] arrrghhh:
I wouldn't hold your breath...
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Braccoz:
judging by an article i read somewhere (don't remember) which contained small interviews with manufacturers/carriers (motorola too) i can say that there will be no droid 5, or any other new qwerty slider for that matter (unless maybe some entry level device from couple US carriers)

that leaked one must have been a prototype for the photon Q, or perhaps a scrapped D5
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] bofis:
This would have been SO SWEET, and as someone who is technically locked into his Droid 4 contract until April, it would have been perfect to actually make a suitable replacement EVER :'( Verizon and Motorola should have totally released the Droid 5, even if they waited and bumped it up to Moto X-type specs inside, while reducing the thickness and width of our handset.

So, on a slightly related note, has ANYONE been able to get a Photon Q 4G LTE activated on Verizon, maybe using an already-activated LTE SIM so Verizon doesn't have to know? Or is the Photon Q carrier-locked?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] arrrghhh:
The SIM slot in the Q is not 'user-accessible'. Guys in Europe (mostly) have hacked it to run GSM... but I don't think Sprint's LTE would ever work again.

As for VZ... typically Sprint & VZ don't activate each other's phones. Smaller carriers like Cricket don't care what you do - they will pretty much activate anything, with no guarantees of anything actually working.

Good luck.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] idimitro:
After waiting for Droid 5 or anything, nothing came. So I stopped waiting. My Moto Q vibration stopped working, the SIM card was getting lost a few times per day and only restart was helping. (not sure if the SIM mod was not botched) The battery life is crap. So I asked my self what is more important - nice feel while writing the occasional e-mail or reliable phone. I have just jumped to Z1 compact. Fast, battery is great, small and sturdy.

If the manifacturers have dropped the segment all together, I think it is time to move on from our keyboard fetish :crying:. There are quiet good SW keyboards, and with good and powerful HW the writing experience is not that bad. Anyway this was my choice. I know it will not be applicable to 100% of you, but at least you can ask yourself.

P.S. The only thing that kept me for so long with the Moto Q was the great development community which is providing great ROMs. Thanks guys :highfive:.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
For me it's not all the typing experience, it's the screen real estate along with text selection and editing. I stuck with my epic for over three years. The battery life on the Q just made it a no go from the start. I'm on a gs4 now, and I do about half the work I used to do on my phone. There is nothing efficient about working in Office apps.

HTC should bakes premium 4.7" slider and take a cue from LG's battery size and management. It obviously can't compete to Samsung in slates. It's barely seen daylight, and the M8 is already gown to $50 on contract. Just sad. I'd even give WP a try if Nokia made a proper slider. I now play around with a Dell xps 12 duo, Surface RT did now a Venue 11 Pro as I figure out which will be my companion of choice. Think the 11 Pro with Keyboard dock will win out.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] AndyYan:
Yes, the HW keyboard department is indeed dying, especially as even BlackBerry is going away... But even though I'm getting really used to typing on a virtual QWERTY on my Nexus 4, the handling isn't too good because of the phone's width (4.7" is already unwieldy!). If phones keep growing bigger then I fear I would have to choose a low end device just to type comfortably - fxxk Samsung for starting this. Hopefully there are more phones like Z1 Compact or even Droid Mini that satisfies my thirst.

P.S. You see, for my nostalgia QWERTY love, I even got a Nokia E7 just days ago :D

Sent from Google Nexus 4 @ CM11
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
I picked up an S4 Mini from Sprint for 99 cents. Had a spare contract. Nice little phone so far. Just wanted a media player I could run with and not rely on my phone all the time. Could be a cheap pick up. Verizon has it for free with a new or renewed contract as well.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] The Solutor:
Hahah, how one can't agree with you ?

The funny part is that the LG G2 "mini" is adverized here in Italy as "the largest compact phone ever".

That to me sounds like advertising a girl as "the ugliest pretty woman ever" :laugh:
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
Well everything is relative. When I was in the military, 5's and 6's looked like 7's and 8's after a month or so. ;)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] AndyYan:
GS4 Mini is a nice small phone, but performance doesn't live up to its price, at least over here in China (they ask for $400+ off contract, for which you could buy a like-new G2). Well, at least its global version have CM - too many compact or stripped down "flagships" have little to no development.

I use a Nexus 4 as primary device to take advantage of its wide choice of ROMs and mods, and my secondary devices all have at least CM11 to back them up. I can't imagine me buying a new Android device which have no hope of running the next latest version of CM.

I just couldn't figure out who would want a G2 Mini, considering its internals and its price... Do people want to buy it just because they want to experience the back buttons at a lower price?!

Sent from Google Nexus 4 @ CM11
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] The Solutor:
Well... almost everything is relative.

I consider that the screen of a touch smartphone should be entirely reacheble by the thumb.

That means 4'' max diagonal, according to my relatively small hands, maybe 4.3'' or 4.5'' for people with bigger hands.

The matter is getting even worse than it should due to the idiotic post gingerbread UI guidelines, who decided to move the menus on the top of the screen first, then to move it on the top left, in the exact moment the display size started to be bigger and bigger, must be in drugs.

In short the PQ is already slightly too big for my taste, and given my thumb stopped growing almost four decade ago, a growing display is not something I can get used with the time, ad happened with the TV sets, for an example.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] divie:
The droid 5 should be a business droid with qwerty slide-out keyboard.

It should feature:

- High end battery: at least 2600 mAh (business people need decent battery life)

- 720p 4.5 - 4.7 inch screen (not 1080 because of the battery drain and size)

- At least 2ghz but preferably 2.3 ghz quad core snapdragon cpu

- 2 gb of ram

- micro sd slot

- micro hdmi slot (possibly shipped with hdmi cable)

- hole for a stylus like the galaxy note

- quickoffice or equivalent software preinstalled

- double front speakers like htc one (since the phone is mainly used in landscape mode)

- sim card slot for international use

possible innovations:

- Trackpad on the back of the phone as extra navigation

- dedicated power-friendly processor for messages/updates only while phone is in sleep mode

Bottom line - A phone that could last for days easily under heavy use, tailored towards business users that want to have a classy slide-out keyboard phone. The phone should and would be iconic to business users.

If this is handled correctly, there will definitely be a (huge) market for it.

Sent from my XT897 with Tapatalk 4
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] matt2k12:
we can dream, cant we?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
Actually, my snaptail kickstand case for my S4 allows me to hold my phone towards my finger tips and allow my thumb to reach all the way to the left corners of the phone. Takes the creases in your hand and puts them both past the right side of the phone so I can reach all over. Most convenient cases I've owned.

+1 on the guidelines though. I have apps that have menu buttons on the top right yet the menu pops up from the bottom. And then menu buttons on the top left in general. I complained to the guys at Kaiten Mail, and they shifted a bunch to the bottom. People listen, go figure.

---------- Post added at 12:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:49 PM ----------

As far as divie's dream phone...

Motorola fixed battery + 2600mAh is not enough unless they stole someone from LG that knows how to squeeze more juice out of it. 3000mAh should be a minimum. Removable would be one better. I don't want to be tethered to a cord and battery pack or outlet when I'm running out of juice. Slap in a fresh battery and go.

720p is perfectly acceptable in that size range.

microHDMI is pushing it at this point. If chromecast could do wifi direct, that would be pretty sweet and more convenient than hdmi out since you'd be wireless.

Stylus? eh. This isn't a Note, and 4.7" is a tiny screen for even just note taking. I used a stylus on the note for editing, but I have the 4-way nav and shift key for editing.

Double front speakers take up real estate on a device many will deem too bulky as it is. The 4.7" screen is already giving you a big enough footprint for a generously sized keyboard. No need to make the phone even longer than it has to be. Unless it's not adding to the length of the phone, but I'd prefer capacitive or real buttons on the bottom than using on screen button.

Would think the SIM is standard these days thanks to LTE.

I think the trackpad would be redundant with the nav keys.

Would hope an eco mode would be standard ala the galaxy S5. Hear that mode has had it last for well over a week.

Beyond the business crowd, this would appeal to gamers as well, and if the speakers catered to that crowd, I'd accept that.

Just my take. The Epic was the only phone I had close to three years. The S4 will definitely make it two years as I don't see the point of going to the S5. Not enough of an upgrade for me. A slate is a slate at this point. A new slider would be Epic. Pun intended.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kazim.asghar:
I am modifying framework.jar of sony xperia sp newest firmware 2.245 to transfer app from internal to external memory but i am getting boot loop afte flashing new fame work.jar. can any one help me on that.

Xperia sp rooted locked boot loader. 12.0.A.2.245
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ddloco:
Does any one know what causes this and how to fix without sending to Google see attached pic thanks

Oh snap reboot made it go away I'd still like some info on why it happens if anyone's willing to enlighten me thanks

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biscuitownz:
Not a dead pixel if it goes away on reboot. Try a new wallpaper?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KiD3991:
If you're on a CM based ROM, go into Settings>Launcher Settings>Home Screen and enable wallpaper quick render.

If you're on other wise, It might happen if you mix up JWR and JSS kernel with the ROM even if you enabled disable HW overlay.

Or, it could be a very very harmless bug.
[HTC Sensation] mage3:
I have random mobile data drops. I am on Super Xe 4.2.2 Build 6. The H indicator is present but no application can connect to the internet.

Chrome quotes a DNS error. The data seems to drop at random, but it never actually drops as I am continiously using the device. It drops after sleep mode is engaged or after the Signal connection is lost (i.e. Going in the Subway where there is no coverage).

To temporally fix it I either go to Flight mode or turn mobile data off/on.

I am S-Off on 3.33 FW. Flashed after full wipe and the wipe script.

Do you guys have any idea why this might be happening? Did not have such issues on any of the roms I have been before.
[HTC Sensation] Far_SighT:
I too had data drop issues:

Mount system rw and edit build.prop.

There is a line called tmobile data drop fix, uncomment it and comment the previous one. See what happens.

If this doesn't work get getril from play store and flash the proper ril

JAM THAT THANKS BUTTON.

Happy to help.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] munjeni:
Xperia Boot Menu v1.0

Disclaimer:

- Me (munjeni) is not responsible for anything related to the our project, you using our project on your own risk! If you no want to risk than don't play with Boot Menu! You can play with Boot Menu but on your own risk!

Feature:

- multiboot based on kexec

- posibility for defining: menu title, path to the kernel, path to the ramdisk, kernel cmdline

- posibility for defining max 10 menus

- autoreboot to the first kernel if menu is not moved (stop timer on menu move)

- graphic timer :)

Instructions:

- create folder "bootmenu", add settings.ini to these folder, modify settings.ini for your needs

- flash bootmenu using fastboot command (fastboot flash boot recovery.img)

- since internal sdcard is only supported by now, you can define only kernel and ramdisk from internal sdcard path! Make sure you define right path and make sure create folders in bootmenu on your internal sdcard

- make sure settings.ini is in internal sdcard in folder bootmenu!!!

- kexec can boot only kexec patched kernels, so your kernel need to have kexec patch!!! Kexec patch you can ind o my git!

Simple settings.ini (example):

Download:

- http://d-h.st/fjG

Kernel source code:

- https://github.com/munjeni/android_kernel_xperiago/tree/jb-dev
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] munjeni:
Since Xperia Go have small amount of developers, I will not post here, if you want to learn or to watch development progress you can go here -> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=44933763#post44933763

Here I will update only something when I make any more progress!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] munjeni:
New version is out!

Changelog:

- fixed bug with menu selection (failded to boot selected - was wrong order)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] munjeni:
Only for users who runing my JB Ex.Se rom here -> http://d-h.st/x5W is complete example multiboot folder neded for Boot Menu. Contain new CWM Touch White recovery and Ex.Se ramdisk, kernel and kernel modules (kernel modules you need to add to your android /system/lib/modules replacing old one modules)

Simple extract archive to the internal sdcard, reboot to the fastboot and perform boot partition upgrade by command:

fastboot flash boot recovery.img

Reboot and enjoy! :)