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[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
I'm having the same issue..

What I've gathered from this thread is that it could do with location polling apps, the google settings "locate and wipe" features which you can try turning off, chrome sync or google auto-backup. Also if you don't use the phone that much, the usage has to go somewhere so android OS takes it. I also think there are some issues while on wifi, depending on how your network is set up . try with and without wifi to see if it makes a difference.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Compared to stock Android Nexus devices. That usage during idle must go to Phone idle and cell stand by with OS below that. I've already spoken with Moto. They have an idea of what it is. Look for improvements in 4.4.4.
[Moto X General] gunvalk:
Battery life for my Moto X is usually arround 8 - 10 hrs depending on usage.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Found an app that's made a big difference to my battery life without compromising called WiFi Timer.

Basically it allows me to create tasks for when the Wifi should be turned on and when it should turn off.

I've created a task based on my sleeping pattern between midnight and 8 in the morning, so the WiFi always stays switched off during these periods.

I can currently get almost 2 days usage out of my phone without this so hopefully using this app will get me a good few hours extra, maybe even half a day if I'm lucky.

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Here's the link to WiFi Timer: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.zeiger.android.wifitimer&hl=en

Perfect for those of us that aren't rooted and have no intention of rooting.
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
Any chance to get that list for 4.4.3 and 4.4.4?
[Moto X General] :
Unless there's new features....I don't see it being much different... If any. :)
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
I saw some new processes which I am scarry to froze.
[Moto X General] :
Try googling them, if they seem important... Leave them. The good thing about freezing...is you can unfreeze too. Usually! I have froze the wrong thing in the past and got stuck at boot. And had to reflash firmware or ROM.
[Moto X General] SanD-82:
It's been a while, but just wanted to confirm that at least in my case the battery drain is due to how kk handles the mobile network...

Again, this was not an issue back in jb, it was introduced by kk...

With almost not touching the phone, I lost 25% in 3 hours, with less than 15 minutes of screen time... At that rate, battery would had died in 12 hours total time, with less than 1 hour of screen time...

Would you think changing modems should do any good?, not sure if its possible...

Enviado desde mi XT1058 usando Tapatalk 2
[Moto X General] ynot.veera:
MOTO X | BATTERY PERFORMANCE | SCREEN SHOTS: http://youtu.be/1AAJHlP1YJo

Sent from my Moto X (XT1052)
[Moto X General] :
Most wanna see screen time. Should of added those screens in. ;)
[Moto X General] ram130:
1. We don't need a video.

2. No screen on pics. Makes them useless.
[Moto X General] treyf711:
I've consistently been able to get about 20 hours of up time with 90 ~ 120 minutes of screen on time. nothing weird, Dalvik runtime and all.
[Moto X General] ram130:
Same here. And stock. One thing I do know is that 4.4.4 will equal very low Android OS when it comes.

Android OS at 17mims BTW.
[Moto X General] treyf711:
I've used 4.4.4 for the past weekend and can confirm that statement. Android OS dipped a noticable amount.
[Moto X General] :
I'm curious to see how 4.4.4 is for my wife's phone. Location always off....so guessing it would be the same as 4.4.2 pretty much.
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
After flashing 4.4.4 onto my Verizon X Developer Edition (just stock/unlocked/rooted, no other mods)...

I was seeing the GPS icon in the status area coming on more. I didn't notice it with 4.4.2. Not sure if a setting got changed during the update, or if its just a side effect of the rom. I also notice slightly more battery use (drains faster)

I later disabled Motorola alert, and haven't seen the GPS icon since.

Battery life is back to being about the same as with 4.4.2.
[Moto X General] phositadc:
Am I the only one pissed it took Moto so long to fix the android OS bug? I complained about it on the Moto forum, posted a bunch of screenshots, talked to tech support, and basically told everybody I possibly could about the bug, and Moto repeatedly told me it wasn't a bug, or at least not one that could be fixed.

I'm more than slightly pissed it took them nearly a year to fix something I and countless others have been telling them about literally since day 1.

Better late than never I suppose, but wow, that's some incompetence.

Sent from my XT1053
[Moto X General] :
Never had the issue. Its from location services...which I keep off unless I need it.

So not pissed at all. Lol
[Moto X General] phositadc:
Enough people have reported the issue, including in this very thread, that it is a real issue. I always have reporting disabled so that was never it. Post a screenshot of you battery stats right now. I bet if you aren't on 4.4.4 you have the issue and don't even know it.

The X always got good battery life even with the issue. It's just that without the issue, battery life would have been even better!

Sent from my XT1053
[Moto X General] phositadc:
Look at my screen shot. Exact same usage on a nexus, setup and running exactly the same software, android OS would be 5 or 6%.

Anything above 10 is unquestionably too high when location reporting is disabled. What does yours currently read?

Sent from my XT1053
[Moto X General] :
Its my wife's phone now and she isn't here. And....its staying on 4.4.2 cause there's no reason to update her.

Annnnnnd....I can assure you, our X does not have that issue, or any other. Android OS is usually around 6 or 8 percent. Always. With location off, as usual. With it on....yes, it can hit 13 percent or more.

Trust me....battery life and issues are my forte. Lol

I was saying that since I have location off on every device I own....I've never "personally" had any of the issues I read about. I never said they weren't issues. ?

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Search this thread on my user name. I have many screen shots.....my battery life was absolutely as high as most get. ;) Android OS screens can be seen in some screens too I am sure. :)
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
Its crazy to complain about android os (especially if you are going to define it in percentages, percentage of what? Three thousand trillion variables...). Clearly an over exaggeration but if you rely on how an os tells you (or tells the majority of battery app trackers out there) to tell you what is actually draining your phone it seems pretty silly to me. Tell me every process/app that creates an "android os" to increase or decrease and you will find the own root to your problem. I sure as hell haven't done the research because its to time consuming. But if you want to say android os is your problem without knowing what a nexus phone considers android os and what a moto x considers android os then whoopdeedoo. All we/anyone is doing is complaining about how the phone (or other apps that rely on what the phone tells it) reports certain things. If I was a manufacturer then my obvious solution would be, change nothing, report it differently so people stop complaining about something that they are only complaining about because I allowed an app or the phone itself to put certain things under a certain heading (e.g. android os).

Apologies for the rant. It just this fictitious android os everyone talks about gets old. They should call it 1000 different things like food companies do in their ingredients so none of them reach the top of the list. That's where we are pushing them anyway.
[Moto X General] zeidatz:
only 4 hours for screen
[Moto X General] ram130:
Yes the help of this thread and g+ helped. But I personally talked with the engineer on hangouts and kept sending my findings. Like I said its some form of "math kernel error" that kept it going. Location was the issue for some. And others none. The N5 and X also measures the OS the same.

- Ram
[Moto X General] phositadc:
It's not a fiction, sir. I agree it may be overblown since the X gets good battery life regardless. But the X is literally the only android phone I've ever owned that has android OS at 10+% consistently. And guess what... It's also the only android phone I've ever owned that loses 5+% battery overnight.

My nexus 5, galaxy s4, HTC one, and most others lose 1-2% overnight when setup properly. Moto X, setup identically to those, loses 5-7%, and android OS is the only possible culprit.

Combine the huge number of reports of high android OS usage with the huge number of reports of idle drain that is higher than other flagships, and you have a verifiable issue... Not a fiction, friend.

Btw I will again say battery is nevertheless good on the X. Let android OS usage would just make idle battery drain better, I think. And if 4.4.4 really fixes it, I bet we will see the idle drain improvement to get it on par work other flagships.

Sent from my XT1053
[Moto X General] :
I run with everything off....except WiFi over night....and my X at best drained at 0.8% per hour. My N5 is about 0.3%....same setup.

Most get around 1% per hour drain on the X....most anyway. It is what it is, that's the only explanation I came up with. ?
[Moto X General] mschumacher69:
Bugs are not always easy to fix. They can be a pain most of the time. I'm sure Moto weren't sitting doing nothing about this bug all this time. I'm sure they were investigating and they only figured out how to fix it properly now...
[Moto X General] ram130:
From testing. The most you'll see even with 4.4.4 is 0.9%/1% drain per hour. With touch less off ...battery spikes will happen and that number goes down a bit because of that. Sucks really.
[Moto X General] MickyMax:
The 4.4.4 is really better than the 4.4.2!
[Moto X General] erik7970:
Updating to 4.4.4 has reduced Android OS usage considerably, but, oddly enough, my battery life doesn't appear to have improved too much.

Edit: This is with display brightness set manually a little under halfway.
[Moto X General] mschumacher69:
That's what I thought. I don't think the bug was in android os using more battery, I think the bug was rather in the battery usage being incorrectly reported under android os.

They probably just fixed the battery usage algorithm to correctly report under the battery draining app rather than under android os.
[Moto X General] erik7970:
Yup. Sounds about right. Looks like I'm gonna root my Moto X and see what modifications I can make to up the battery life.
[Moto X General] phositadc:
Out of curiosity, has your overnight idle drain decreased at all since you installed 4.4.4?

Sent from my XT1053
[Moto X General] ram130:
It will take a week before idle drain settles back down.
[Moto X General] erik7970:
Can't give you an accurate account at the moment. Come night when I'm going to sleep and the lights are off, I typically set the display brightness all the way down and leave it so until I'm up in the morning. I usually end up with a around a 10% overnight drain. That was with 4.4.2. I fell asleep last night with my phone at 78% and brightness set around the middle. Woke up to find my phone at 63%. I'll make sure the display brightness is all the way down tonight when I go to sleep and see bad battery drain is. I'll report the results tomorrow!
[Moto X General] mschumacher69:
Why does brightness matter on idle? Does ur screen stay ON when ur phone is idle?
[Moto X General] :
Yeah, brightness level ONLY matters when screen is on. ?

And Gsam is a good tool to help find battery issues.... Even better with Gsam root companion.... If you're rooted.

If you're not rooted, on kit kat...no app will tell you you're wake locks.

Screen shots posted of Gsam will get you replies that aren't just guessed too! :). Stock screen shots say very little of use.
[Moto X General] erik7970:
Not rooted at the moment, but given that 4.4.4 hasn't seemed to improved my battery life much, I'll be rooting soon. I'll hold off on posting my results until then. Thank you!
[Moto X General] ericsdeadinside:
Battery life is crap lately. Phone is like 8 months old. How long do batteries last now before they're shot?
[Moto X General] :
Usually the life of the phone. ?

Screen shots from gsam would help people see if you have an issue. ?
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
If you have issues with battery life and have:

Checked "Running apps" in settings

Installed and used GSAM and/or Better Battery Stats over a discharge cycle

Uploaded screenshots from aforementioned programs

No one will be able to help you.
[Moto X General] jlvlawrence:
I can confirm that 4.4.4 fixed my android OS issues.
[Moto X General] fury683:
Day one with 4.4.4 for me didn't seem to have much of a change, but today seems better. We'll see how it holds up.
[Moto X General] phositadc:
Any improvement in idle drain?

Sent from my XT1053
[Moto X General] bhorstmann:
Does Better Battery Stats work with KitKat? I had it on my phone but was getting very weird results without root. Like it was saying 2 days of screen on time and it had been just unplugged less than 4 hours before. I looked at the XDA thread and it seems that KitKat changed the battery stats. If it does work, I would love it, because I feel blind without it. I also bought it a long time ago to support the development. I will have to give GSAM a try.
[Moto X General] :
All battery apps are missing wake lock reporting in kit Kat. You need root, and usually something still to show those stats. Last I looked anyway.

For example, my personal favorite, Gsam requires gsam root companion be installed as well.

Or one way to "fix" all the apps is the KK battery stats module for Xposed. Then the stats show up without companion apps.

Either way, you need root.

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And wakelock stats are usually where issues show up.

Very hard to track down battery issues without root.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
What he said. You need root for battery monitor apps 4.4+. It's clearly stated in both apps.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Wow I just hit 2 days and 1 hour without charging giving me almost 3 hours of SOT. This has been possible using the WiFi Timer app whcih automatically switches the WiFi off at night when I'm sleeping according to my schedule. My Location is always on high accuracy by the way.

I'm looking forward to see what battery gains I can gain after updating to 4.4.4!
[Moto X General] Soldier 2.0:
Skip lock and Wi-Fi timer is a great combination for battery savings. I like how skip lock disables syncing when Wi-Fi is disconnected. Saves me from charging my phone through the day.
[Moto X General] cpurick:
4.4.4 Battery Life

Pleasantly surprised with battery life since the upgrade. Finally, the phone lasts about the same as it did in 4.4. Standby time is getting very iPhone-like. If I don't use it, it hardly goes down.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
This is what I'm looking for. Mine loses around 11% overnight but I'm still on 4.4.2.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Mine still hangs at 1% for hours but I've opened a case with Motorola about this. I followed some sinstructions sent to me by Moto about resetting my CPU parameters and killing CPU services. Just seeing if this issue is fixed or not.
[Moto X General] MickyMax:
Can you share them please?
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
No problem. Here's the dialogue from the Motorola rep:

Dear customer,

Thank you for contacting Motorola.

As discussed please do :

Press and hold the VOL DOWN key

While still holding the VOL DOWN key, press and hold the POWER key

Hold both keys down for over 120 seconds. Note, it must be more than 2 minutes!

After holding the keys down for more than two minutes, release them.

The Flash Boot screen will display, and the Normal Reboot option will be highlighted

Press the VOL UP key and the device will start a normal reboot.

While these key sequences are the same as the Forced Reboot, holding the keys down for over two minutes issues a different command to the device. This forces a hardware reset of the processor and terminates all running commands.

Please note that it will take few days to collect enough data to troubleshoot the issue and also we can provide a prepaid jiffy bag for 3 customers.
[Moto X General] fury683:
Mine seems slightly better. I had 30% when I got home from work yesterday, and it's usually closer to 20%. I use tethering for about 2 hours a day on the bus to and from work. I've come to terms that the battery won't last a full day with my usage. Between tether and Pandora while I'm at work, the device is held awake for 4+ hours each day.
[Moto X General] tekhna:
My standby time seems to be slightly better too, although it's too early to tell.

And dear god I wish Android had the iPhone's standby time. My girlfriend and I intentionally put our phones away but didn't turn them off for a full day last weekend. Her iPhone battery had drained 2%. 2%. Mine lost ~35% with no use.

Maddening.
[Moto X General] schaffee:
Would using ART decrease the standby time?
[Moto X General] :
Good review! ?

But. We have a battery thread for discussion on the topic....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2418077

:)
[Moto X General] fury683:
People have reported better battery life on ART, but Xposed won't work on ART, so I haven't tried it.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
Is this done while the phone is off or you start the process whilst it's on?
[Moto X General] psitech:
Got the verizon ota yesterday. Huge battery improvements for me. 20 hours on battery with moderate use.......currently at 20% :good:

edit: I'm on ART
[Moto X General] mbudden:
I improved my battery life... By buying the OnePlus One.

Much better idle drawl.

Moto X would draw ~15-18mA on standby.

Where as my OPO draws 6-8mA on standby.

Loosing over 1% per hour on the Moto X was ridiculous. Had to go.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
Do you do this while the phone is off or on?
[Moto X General] a1exus:
Can someone take a look at my BBS output please and give some guidance?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9dglh1yp2yavhg3/BetterBatteryStats-2014-08-01_181619213.txt
[Moto X General] bhorstmann:
Can I run these apps with the towelpieroot? I have Wireless tethering working with that. I tried but wasn't having any luck.
[Moto X General] :
Gsam for sure. But the important gsam root companion, I'm not sure. I think it needs to write to the system positron, so maybe not. Best to ask in the towelpieroot thread and see.
[Moto X General] XAlexander_AlexanderX:
This is without art. I'm about to try art and see if I see a difference in 4.4.4.
[Moto X General] :
Um.... Screenshots are meaningless if you've charged... And you charged like 4 times. :)

Try going from 100....to like 10 percent left, take the Screenshots and then post.

Also.... The "screen" time on screen is usually posted... Most want to see that time.... More so than total time. :)

You can get a lot of info from Gsam. And just posting it's main screen shows total and screen on time. ;)
[Moto X General] titetanium:
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[Moto X General] Jason.DROID:
Roughly 2 hour Skype call, then idle. Gsam averages include 4.4, 4.4.2, and will eventually include 4.4.4 as I keep using the phone.

Phone: XT1060, 4.4.4

Runtime: ART

Location: Device Only, Google Location Reporting OFF

Wifi: Set to sleep unless plugged in, Scanning Always Available OFF

Watch what you put on your phone. Having hundreds of apps on your phone typically isn't a good thing. They're always cached and in memory, regardless of if you've opened it or not. A poorly coded app can have adverse effects that include increased idle drain.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
While the phone is off and make sure your charging cable is plugged in.

After following this procedure, I've hit 2 days and 6 hours from a single charge which I've never been able to do. Very impressed so far.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Just installed the Google Now launcher to see if it makes the battery life any worse or I'll just stick to the Moto launcher.
[Moto X General] erik7970:
Here's an update. Instead of rooting my phone, I decided I'd disable more apps/features to see if my battery life improved. One of those included Google Now and my idle drain noticeably improved. My overall battery life seemed to improve a bit too (screenshots below). This is on top of Android OS usage being almost non-existent. There was something interesting that sprung up though. Battery life declines and then goes back up a bit on its own, no charging whatsoever. You can see this best on the history details screenshot. There are several places on the graph where there's a steep decline, then goes back up a little. I noted that this usually happened when I was browsing the web on Chrome, using the YouTube and when on the phone with others. First time since installing the 4.4.4 update that I've seen this happen. Not sure if this is more common than I think. I've now charged my phone to 100% and I'm going to keep an eye to see if this continues to happen.
[Moto X General] :
Heat changes can make the graph go up and down a little. It's normal. ?
[Moto X General] erik7970:
Ah. Makes sense. Thank you for that!
[Moto X General] Coolbobo:
"Hard Reset of the Processor"

I bought a "New-Other" classified Moto X from eBay. Its not rooted and running 4.4.2. Huge power drain, even after disabling the first item in ADB Devices and turning off Location Services as mentioned by previous posters. My drain was 5% per hour but now after following these instructions I'm at 1% per hour overnight. I'll see how the day goes, but so far its looking promising.

Thanks again!
[Moto X General] ConstantHero:
This two minute button hold, has as far as I can tell, solved the 1% hold for up to an hour till it hits 0%, and the 85-100% jump while charging.
[Moto X General] sylarm:
So the 2 min really works?

I have another Motorola, a moto g and battery life is double. I think I have to live with this.
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
im still giving it time to see if it works. It def does do something different to the phone. You do have to be plugged into the wall before following those instructions FYI.

It gave me 1% per night but i do know that my drain when out of town was always 1% but when i got back home it would increase again. after doing this i got 1% overnight but that was last week right after doing it. I am going to see how it pans out tomorrow night to see if it has maintained the good overnight drain.
[Moto X General] sylarm:
What you mean? Connected to charger?

I do it without being on charger, and a I don't see differences.

Thanks for your feedback
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
later on in the thread after those instructions you will see that he says that you need to be connected to the charger. It reallly should be added to that post because i did it without connecting to the charger and it didn't seem to do anything.

So PLUG YOUR PHONE INTO THE WALL CHARGER BEFORE PERFORMING THOSE INSTRUCTIONS

you will notice that your phone tries to boot then in the middle of the bootlogo it will shut down. it does not do this if you are not plugged into a wall charger before performing the instructions.

(not sure if wall charger is necessary, computer might be ok. i just used wall charger because i knew that would work. usb to computer can sometimes cause weird things so i didn't test it out)
[Moto X General] MickyMax:
Could you give us again all the steps in detail please?
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
it is a few posts back but here is a link to the original post http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=54541548&postcount=3126

only additional instructions are for the phone to be plugged into a charger when following the instructions above.
[Moto X General] tylerjames09:
This is my third day with this phone...I am more than happy with my battery life. Also, phone is completely stock.