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[Windows 8 General] mcosmin222:
I consider SoCs a non-issue because you do not have a choice. You can not build a PC using a SoC. Hence the issue presented by this thread (choose between x32 and x64) is a non-issue in the SoC world.

the x32 Atom SoCs come on tablets wth x32 windows and you can not replace that SoC with an I5 x64 SoC you find on Surface Pro, hence the discussion on this topic is kinda useless.

I've seen lots of ppl running x32 wndows on systsems with 8-12GB of RAM or x64 on systems with just 1 but this never happened on a SoC based device xD

As for performance, I also believe the x64 CPUs can support more cores than the usuall x32.

But...

x32 CPU running native x32 code will be faster than an x64 CPU running x32 code

x64 CPU running native x64 code is around just as fast as x32 running x32. There are small diffreneces in performance (you can try it out with simple programs with visual studio and compile for different arhitectures), but nothing otherworldly, nowhere near "twice as fast" as apple claims it to be.
[Windows 8 General] JihadSquad:
Even if there is a performance hit, there is almost no downside to using a 64-bit OS for Apple because the CPU is based on ARMv8. Same goes for anyone else that uses the specification. All the better to future proof your platform now so that when mobile devices finally do need to address more than 4GB of RAM, there is only one (64-bit) OS instead of the two that Microsoft has to maintain and developers have to make two versions of software and drivers for.
[Windows 8 General] mcosmin222:
Sorry, but your post makes no sense.
[Windows 8 General] mcosmin222:
I think you need to defrag your HDD or something, your browser doesn't display info properly anymore.

Intel Atom is a SoC actually.

You still don't seem to get the idea behind the SoC propblem: it is a non-issue because

you can not choose

between x32 and x64 windows, as it comes preloaded (I supposed you could change it but for 99% of people that is impossible), hence why i do not consider them in the same category as socketed CPUs.

Do you understand it now?
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_(system_on_chip)

Intel atom system on chip is a subset of the atom lineup.

And I do get the idea behind the SoC chip. It is you that cannot get it through your skull that a SoC still has a CPU within it and is therefore still a 32 bit CPU. It doesnt matter whether the user can choose 32 vs 64 bit software on it, its still a 32 bit CPU manufactured post 2006 as you claim does not exist and frankly your original statement cannot be more wrong.

Also, hardly difficult to obtain and these are still manufactured to this day: http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...=sGAEpiMZZMsk5yEqv3Bk8TNKQ0wAJ52zqlsFfvN/xPc=
[Windows 8 General] Jay794:
Why hasn't 64 bit completely absorbed 32 bit and just become the norm?
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
64 bit = more transistors = more cost, power consumption and larger size in theory. In practise, douchebaggery and the prevalence of 32 bit machines in embedded usage.

Bay trail is moving towards 64 bit for intel atom. Core whatever series CPU's are all 64 bit. I think most of the AMD processors aimed at consumer usage are 64 bit (they manufacture 32 bit SoC's for industrial automation and a few other embedded tasks much to mcosmin's amusement no doubt).

VIA I thought only did 32 bit but apparently their more recent core design is 64 bit capable. They still pitch their older cores at embedded markets though, they have next to zero consumer presence. VIA's chips tend to be tucked within machines in factories or vehicle computers or perhaps the cable box for your TV if you have one (but usually MIPS or ARM appear here, x86 has been used) etc rather than thrown into an off the shelf laptop (although HP released what we would now consider a netbook with a VIA C7). Embedded machines dont always benefit from 32 bit processing (depends on the machine, a CNC mill might be fine with 32 bit maths, the flight computers about something akin to a predator drone might absolutely need 64 bit math), in the event they dont need 64 bit math then using 64 bit software would double the RAM requirement which would then mean needing double the RAM (many machines running a fixed task have only the amount of RAM they require) which then increases cost of the machine.

The atom is probably the biggest use of 32 bit only chips for consumers, with bay trail coming out I think we are reaching the end of 32 bit x86 operating systems for consumers. The embedded market is either going to have to rely on 32 bit chips still being available for them (they are for the forseeable future), or simply run a 32 bit OS on a 64 bit chip or double the RAM they install or something.
[Moto X General] SysAdmNj:
and why? I like the simple design, hopefully this 4.7" screen will be more readable than the htc one 4.7" screen. I'm thinking so? But if I get the device I'll be coming from an sgs4. Kinda tired of touchjizz and always had a softspot for motorola, and miss my nexus 4 experience minus the horrible battery life. I hope we can unlock the bootloader on this device with no issues :0
[Moto X General] Beach_Head:
I'm using an SGS4 as well and have always loved Moto handsets. I'm sure the Moto X is going to be great. Nothing beats Moto radios...

The bootloader is supposed to be unlockable on the Google Store variant, which is what I'm gunning for...
[Moto X General] SysAdmNj:
When is the google version coming out?

Would the google store variant be stripped of the moto x features? Sort of like the google sgs4 edition stripped of tw. IDK.
[Moto X General] Superpopsss:
No. Google edition will be exactly the same moto x.
[Moto X General] SysAdmNj:
That would be great, the question is when? And why would they not release at the same time as carriers. I mean I'm guessing they dont want to interfere with carrier sales but that can also backfire as people can just wait for the google version? More choices for different types of users.
[Moto X General] jonnyg1097:
I'm sorta making a lateral move. I am going from the Galaxy Nexus to the to the Moto X. It isn't really a major spec bump if I remember all the specs correctly.
[Moto X General] bp_:
I may be doing the same - sort of. My nexus died so I'm using a Bionic right now. I want to see more user reviews of the X.
[Moto X General] anotherdroid:
i'm going from a GNex to the MotoX. so comparable that i hope my car-mount works for it ;)
[Moto X General] jmcharles:
Currently have the SGS3. Not really wanting a new phone, but wife needs one and has an upgrade, so she's taking this and I get a new one!

I thought I would be a shoe in for the SGS4, but the X has really intrigued me. That and I just end up running CM 10.X on the galaxy, so why not start out with a stockish experience? I do enjoy ROMing and modding, so not sure how that will work out if I get it thru Verizon on contract. If unlocking the bootloader is definitely a no-go, then I could wait for developer edition. Not sure what I'll do.

Sent from my SCH-I535
[Moto X General] matt99017d:
We never know if it's a sure thing or not. I think with there being so many variations with unlocked BL we have a better chance.

Who knows, maybe Dan R wants a big fat payday again for showing motorola up.
[Moto X General] MichaelMcEntire:
The x will be a lot faster and a considerable bump to your Galaxy Nexus.
[Moto X General] kirdroid:
I will be switching from Google edition HTC One.. I will keep HTC one until the moto x gets 4.3.
[Moto X General] DonDizzurp:
the way the software and hardware work together far surpasses any higher specd device on the market right now..

the reason the iphone is such a success (other than crazy marketing) even with its sub-par specs is because the hardware and software play nicely giving you a very smooth user experience.
[Moto X General] SysAdmNj:
Very good point, hopefully its true on the Moto X.
[Moto X General] eallan:
This is such an annoying thing to read over and over.

The iPhone STILL has a class leading GPU and a year ago it's processor was EXCELLENT. Apple doesn't skimp on specs. They use less ram sometimes, but that's about it.
[Moto X General] xboxfanj:
Its CPU is nothing to write home about. The dual core swift is about on par with the MSM8960 krait CPU. I doubt that the A7 CPU will surpass the SD800, but the OS is less demanding and the GPU will be awesome, although Samsung is starting to use imagination technologies GPUs again, which is good.
[Moto X General] Psilocin:
Based on all the reviews I have read, there hasn't been anything you would normally do with a phone that the MotoX cannot do and is very responsive. That's all you really can ask for. The Adreno 320 GPU is the same as what's in the htc one and sgs4, so gaming isn't an issue either.
[Moto X General] SysAdmNj:
As long as its staying as close to vanilla as possible sprinkled with a few moto x goodies, it should be smooth. I hardly game on my devices. I'm looking forward to this, not expecting to be wow'ed. I was going to wait for the nexus 5, but lg again? I'm not the biggest lg fan.
[Moto X General] Thank Me Later:
My Verizon GS3 (Owned 2) wireless radio > RAZR Maxx + Razr HD. Better Wi-Fi range & connection as well.

To answer the thread, no. I will not be getting the Moto X. Development has always been weak for Motorola phones. I've owned 2 stated above. My wife use to own the Motorola Photon on Sprint. I know Motorola phones well enough lol. Not blaming developers. It's Motorola's security and locking everything down. Plus I don't like Motorola's camera quality for pictures and videos.

I'm now waiting to see what the next gen Nexus will bring. After owning a Nexus 7 (2013), I enjoy it too much I now want that experience on my phone also. Still love my S3 but when my contract is up, time to move on.
[Moto X General] SysAdmNj:
Locked down? Not the google edition or dev edtion. Thats what I'm waiting for. Also from what I understand this motorola device will not be like any of its previous "droid" "razr" devices and amen for that.
[Moto X General] Thank Me Later:
Not everyone wants to pay $600+ for a Google Edition of a phone. I read or watched (forgot which) that the Google Edition is NOT a Google Edition. It's just a Moto X sold on Google Play. But that's another rumor until the actual thing becomes available on Google Play. When you have the option of a Google Edition Moto X, HTC One, GS4, etc which phone would you pay for? It comes down to the hardware you want really. The hardware that's inside the Moto X (New Droids) are built for the software and the way they want the consumers to use it. I don't think it will hurt a Google Edition but I don't see any benefits in getting a Moto X Google Edition when you can get something like the GS4 w/explandable memory, better CPU/Camera, display, removable battery, etc and they're probably all around the same price range $600 +. I don't know that's just my point of view on the whole "Google Edition" variants of phones.
[Moto X General] djkeller3:
Let me tell you guys something here... alright? I've been a spec-whore for years now. I've had my Droid Maxx for two days. When I unboxed it, I wasn't sure what to expect. I was ready to be disappointed. I was right there with all the other spec-whores, wondering WHY Motorola/Google decided to go with less than 1080p, a dual-core processor, and a seemingly below-standard camera (13mp seems to be the norm nowadays). So when I took it out of the box, I was fully prepared to be disappointed and was even thinking I might give it a day or two and return it.

BOY WAS I WRONG. I will confirm over and over and over - the innards to these new Moto devices are setting new standards, guys. Google has ended the spec wars with one fal swoop. My company phone is an S4. I submit to you that in real life usage, my Droid Maxx is way faster and SMOOTHER than my S4. Even though the S4 has better specs, it is definitely not a better device. Comparing the two side by side, my Droid Maxx is better in every way I can think of. In terms of speed, in terms of smoothness, in terms of all the wow features that I actually USE, like touchless control, active display, camera twist (or whatever it's called), BATTERY LIFE and more. I'll go even further and say that the new Motorolas offer a better user experience than any other smartphone, period. Focusing on what I can do with my Maxx and on the sheer performance of it, I no longer think about what it doesn't have in hardware...what I think about now is how much I honestly LOVE using this phone. What Google has done with the new Motorola is absolutely genius.

Anyone who talks themselves out of buying the Moto X because they perceive it to be inferior needs to go out and play with one. The experience will blow you away. I promise. ;)
[Moto X General] sonicHeart:
So wait, you spent most of this post talking about the maxx and finish it up saying anyone who talks themselves out of a moto x.... Did you actually buy the Maxx then? I just read a review that states the Maxx has all the software features of Moto X but is a bit beefier spec-wise. Just trying to clarify thanks
[Moto X General] djkeller3:
Sure..., no prob... I did buy the Maxx. I'm reading the Moto X forums because there are no forums for any of the new Droids yet, but since they have virtually the same internals and software, I feel I can speak for the Moto X based on my experience with the Droid Maxx. I don't think it's beefier spec-wise, bigger screen sure, but I'm thinking it's tit for tat on everything else.
[Moto X General] DonDizzurp:
LG again? latest rumours claim motorola will be the manufacturer making it a purely google phone (whereas the motox is still separate from googles android division)
[Moto X General] sonicHeart:
Interesting. I originally had decided on the Moto X because I wanted the (mostly) stock Android experience. So am I correct to assume then that the Maxx has everything the Moto X has except a slightly larger screen and better battery? I really don't care for the Skip accessory, but it seems like it would eventually be available for the other droids.

I'm in need of a phone, like yesterday. I'm tired of dealing with my overheating iphone 4 that sucks beyond all suck.

I don't mind ponying up the extra money for a Maxx if it's pretty comparable to the Moto X. I don't care about customizing the phone (i'm on verizon anyway) and beyond the motomaker --- I can't see what else I'd be missing getting a Maxx....

I'm ultimately seeking a pure-as-possible android experience... Do you anticipate a cyanogen mod release for the Maxx as well? I'm wondering now if the camera is better on the maxx than what's initially being put out there about the Moto X.

Sorry for the barrage of questions, but wow maybe I don't need to wait for Verizon to release the Moto X now...
[Moto X General] xboxfanj:
I'm fairly skeptical of that. The manufacturers are already pretty ticked about googorola and having them make a nexus alienates their partners, most of which have contingency plans in case android doesn't work out (webos potentially for LG, windows phone for most of them, bada for Samsung, or potentially Ubuntu). I think that Google is smart enough not to piss off their partners. The point of the nexus line is to showcase the latest unadulterated android version on cutting edge hardware, without actually competing with manufacturers by making their own hardware, which a Motorola nexus wouldn't really comply with.
[Moto X General] DonDizzurp:
If google and motorola do it right, im sure they can take over the entire nexus line and still succeed. but youre right, google wouldnt want to have bad relations with manufacturers, especially samsung.

btw, the nexus line is definitely in competition with the non-nexus phones. yea theyre meant more for developers and tech junkies but its obviously a competition when you have the nexus4 and the optimus g selling side by side, or the galaxy nexus and the s2
[Moto X General] madquack:
I sold my GS4 to go back to my Galaxy Nexus I was severely disappointed with it. I am thinking about taking a look at the MotoX whenever a friend gets one or I get to play with one in stores.

I'll definitely keep the GNex at least for another year until it dies.
[Moto X General] antawnm26:
I'm curious as to why google never puts out a verizon edition?
[Moto X General] SysAdmNj:
To each his own lol. You buy what you like and can afford for your own reasons. I'd have to buy off contract either way so I'd rather get an unlockable bootloader version. I have a gs4 btw, and going to buy the Moto X.

Lol, I was wondering the same thing. I'm pretty sure that maxx has a lil bit of extra bloatware and still running fine. I'm sure a dev edition or playstore moto x will be a pretty smooth experience.

I heard rumors and saw a fake leaked photo pointing at lg, and I can and only hope it was a fake image lol. A motorola nexus 5 would take my money too :eek:
[Moto X General] Bsmith0731:
Because the galaxy nexus experiment was a complete failure as far as I'm concerned.

How many updates behind is that device? I rooted mine when I first got it in 2011 and haven't looked back.
[Moto X General] antawnm26:
Hard to buy that your GS3 radios was better than Razr Maxx/Razr HD period...I had both phones and can say without it being close that my reception was a run away with the Razr HD
[Moto X General] Beach_Head:
AFAIK, yes, all the new Droids and the Moto X have the same internals and only differ in screens and battery size, and the Moto X is 100% Made in the USA.

Don't expect CM if you get the new Droids though because their bootloaders are locked down as per Verizon's policies...

I find that hard to believe. Anyone who has ever owned a Motorola phone knows that absolutely nothing and no one beats Motorola when it comes to their build quality and their radios. Period.

The only reason they sucked and ultimately failed and lost their following was because they didn't listen to their consumers...
[Moto X General] Thank Me Later:
Yeah it's really just all personal preference.

Well I had 3 Motorola phones under my roof as I stated. I've owned both the Razr Maxx & Razr HD and my wife use to have the Motorola Photon. The Photon had a really good wireless radio but the Wi-Fi range/connection wasn't that great. Photon was definitely impressive especially being on Sprint's network. That phone got signal in some real bad areas.

I'm not trying to sell anything, I don't work for Samsung and I plan on getting a Nexus phone next anyway so I don't care if you don't "buy" it. Why would I lie? What would be the reason(s)? My S3 Radios (both of them) had better radios than the Razr Maxx & Razr HD, at least in the state that I live in and everywhere I've gone through my state. Definitely Wi-Fi range (connecting to Wi-Fi from a farther distance) is better on my S3. I've tested it. Not going off of any reviews or theories just from my own personal experience. I also know how bad Samsung radios can be because I use to own an Epic 4G Touch (GS2). I use to have a white S3 & now I have a pebble blue S3, both give me awesome service over the Motorola's I've owned.
[Moto X General] eallan:
Uh, the Moto X is only assembled in the USA, not 100% made. The moto x will also have a locked bootloader on verizon with a "dev edition."

The Bionic and Atrix I owned both had absolutely awful build quality. The Droid 4's we give out at work aren't much better.
[Moto X General] DonDizzurp:
Every Motorola phone I've ever tried had solid build quality. I haven't tried a Bionic so maybe that was bust but I had an Atrix and Atrix HD as well as all the Droid, Razr, and Milestones available in Canada and ALL of them had excellent build quality especially comparing with Samsung, LG, Huawei, Acer, even some Sony's as well as Pantech, HP, and a few lesser brands.

HTC, Blackberry, Apple and Motorola have the BEST build quality and Motorola has HANDS DOWN the BEST radio year after year.

EDIT: I didn't mention Nokia because I haven't used one since the dawn of Android but they always had solid radios (and battery life) as well.
[Moto X General] eallan:
I take no issue with their radio, build quality unimpressed me though.

Nokia's are excellent in these two departments.
[Moto X General] hovax615@hotmail.com:
I'm on sgs4 and ever since it came out I had my eye on that phone constantly looking through the forums. Coming from an iPhone 4 with the home button barely working. I tried to hold out longer for a new phone. I knew what I wanted and glad I made the decision. Now the moto x looks like a really good phone with the customizations but it hasn't attracted me to it like the sgs4 has. I do like some of the features it has though. But I guess my opinion doesn't count cause I've never had the stock android experience.
[Moto X General] Beach_Head:
Okay, maybe not 100%. Everyone knows that any and all chips and boards are made in China or some other Asian country because of their cheap labor...
[Moto X General] hockeyfamily737:
I have a Sprint HTC One currently, but Sprint and I are about to get divorced LOL. This phone has my eye, as does the LG G2, but I'll wait on official announcements regarding the next Nexus device and the Note 3 before I make any conclusive decision.
[Moto X General] gammite:
retracted.
[Moto X General] _MetalHead_:
Where'd you get that information? I find it hard to believe since all the moto maker phones are still AT&T branded.
[Moto X General] gammite:
I read that in a review a few days ago. I just tried to find the link. When I find it I will post it.
[Moto X General] samarth1:
Untrue. Stop spreading lies. AT&T and Verizon Moto X models will have locked bootloaders, and the carriers have already confirmed that they will have separate Developer Editions for those who want unlocked bootloaders. Those developer edition models will come at a later date. The Sprint, Rogers, and T-mobile Moto X models all come with unlockable bootloaders.
[Moto X General] gammite:
I will retract my statement until I find where I read that information, at which point I will post the link. I have read dozens of reviews over the past few weeks and that review is one of the reasons I am ordering this phone today.
[Moto X General] Beach_Head:
You may be referring to the Google Store version which can be customized by Moto Maker, is SIM unlocked, and comes with an unlockable bootloader...
[Moto X General] samarth1:
There has been no confirmation of whether the Unlocked Moto X will be sold on Google Play or Motorola.com. If what Guy Kawasaki said is true, and the Moto X sells on the Play Store unlocked, it will sell with all the software features intact, and not as a Google Play Edition device. And the option to customize it is highly doubtful. I see it only being black or white. Either way, for now, its only the AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint versions that will launch here in the US. There is no T-Mobile specific version that will be sold either on their website or in their stores. The T-Mobile version will basically be the SIM Unlocked Moto X that is compatible with T-Mobile and AT&T LTE bands, and has HSPA+ support for Tmobile.

And if anyone needs proof:

http://allthingsd.com/20130802/the-...-in-its-stores-at-least-for-now/?mod=atdtweet

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/26/moto-x-t-mobile/
[Moto X General] Beach_Head:
Do a search on Google for: moto x play store and you'll see that the Moto X will be sold on the Play Store and/or the Motorola site. What hasn't been announced is when.

Here's one link: http://m.pocketnow.com/2013/08/13/google-play-moto-x

Also, I never said Google Play Edition. I said Google Store Version. Specifically because it will be the same Moto X but SIM unlocked and with an unlockable bootloader...
[Moto X General] samarth1:
You linked the same article as the one I've linked? Or did you mean to link a different article? You're basically saying the same thing as I am.
[Moto X General] Beach_Head:
Sorry, here's the link: http://androidandme.com/2013/08/sma...oogle-play-edition-will-keep-custom-software/

Copied your link to tell you that the article in that link also confirms a Google Store version...