yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[General Questions and Answers] PCP69:
Short evaluation

We recently bought a 32GB version for evaluation purposes. After update, build number is 4.2.2-17r14-17-20.

Display is still yellowish but we could live with that. Keyboard is very good for that kind of devices and both keyboard and trackpad are a welcomed (and in our case required) addition to the touchscreen.

The missing 3G/4G, GPS, USB adapter cable and car adapter are a clear no go. Root would be nice too.

Also, there still are some bugs, even after the update. First, the device some times loses the wlan connection for no apparent reason.

Second, it doesn't shut down correctly. We shut down the tablet and then inserted it in the base/dock. Don't know if that was the reason it went on again, but what's for sure is that it received e-mails and emitted system sounds in the middle of the night. Of course using way more battery than would be acceptable. Any way battery life is only decent because there are 2 batteries. It appears to me the 5th core might not yet be working as nicely as intended. The device is incredibly responsive, though.

We intend to use these devices as lightweight notebook replacement for some employees and even though we'd prefer sticking to Android, we'll probably check Surface 2 and Lumnia 2520 next.
[General Questions and Answers] bobiscool07:
I've never had the problem with the wlan. I've kept it on 24/7, and has never dropped for me.

Yes, the shutting down is a bug. If you power off the device, then dock it. Placing it on charge after that will boot the device back up.

Receiving emails in the middle of the night is not a bug. If you have sync enabled, and the tablet is connected to the internet, it will notify you as soon as the email is received.
[General Questions and Answers] PCP69:
To shutdown or not shutdown

Well yes, obviously, if not shut down, it will receive messages and notify accordingly. This is how I got to realize it was not shut down anymore - at 3AM, of course.

I have observed the wlan problems in a RDC session and while streaming a movie over DLNA.
[General Questions and Answers] bobiscool07:
Yeah, in that case, it not sleeping would suck big time. I've talked to HP employees at Canada about this problem. We're testing it out. Seems to be the charging through the dock that wakes it up. I'll do all the testing I can, and send it to them this weekend.

I'll be honest, I've never faced issues with WLAN. Its been 100% for me. So not sure what to say for that.
[General Questions and Answers] PCP69:
To shutdown or not shutdown

I shut down the tablet yesterday evening, left it undocked and it stayed absolutely quiet. But as soon as I docked it this morning (dock not plugged in!), it went on again. And also recharged the tablet's battery from the dock.

Had some more wlan hangers yesterday. Using the same wlan for extensive rdc sessions with other clients (windows) w/o problems.

Somehow the SlateBook reminds me of my 2010 TouchSmart tm2 - good ideas, but not thought trough. Too many details not working. Too bad.
[General Questions and Answers] Daifex:
Hello,

Apparently these two pages present two procedures for root any android by the sole procedure that allows currently Slatebook: recovery> apply update from zip (only root, no kernel or rom change):

Someone has tested or can test?:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2358996

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1746794

Greetings
[General Questions and Answers] groumfi:
Just tested the 1st method (install from sd-card). The thread proposes 2 packages, but both fail at installation at the verification phase...

[edit]Just tested other packages from 2nd thread. No chance. Same error at verification phase
[General Questions and Answers] blender3d:
These ones only work on Samsung devices older than a couple of months, because hackers where able to aquire Samsungs signing key. Every OEM (like samsung, HP...) define their own one.

Thats why i was hoping to get my hands on one of the update files.

Without the signing keys from HP / or a wise hacker those update.zip files won't work.
[General Questions and Answers] bobiscool07:
Would all of HP products use the same keys?
[General Questions and Answers] blender3d:
i don't think so. At least it takes about 10 seconds to generate a custom key. Also i dont think, the keys for Slate 7 where aquired already. The only way to figure out would be to use an update.zip from Slate 7 but that would definetly lead to a bootloop (if the keys fit). That device runs much different hardware, so the Kernels/driver won't fit and result in unusability.
[General Questions and Answers] GrievousMcG:
So if I was to write an e-mail to HP about gaining root access for our HP Slatebook, what exactly do I need to ask of them? The source code for the drivers/kernal?

I like the Slatebook but the battery life disappoint me so if we can get root access and get some custom ROMs onto this then perhaps we can do something about the battery life.

PS I hope HP roll out KitKat to this thing too.
[General Questions and Answers] Daifex:
HP Slatebook x2 thoughts? - root

Thanks blender3d,

GrievousMcG has posted on other thread a link to an update, may be it's useful (is 700mB not 1.7GB!)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=46844255
[General Questions and Answers] blender3d:
Very nice!!! finally it's is possible to get my hands on this file. I'm trying to recover the appropriate signing files from it. If i fail, i will try to ask Chainfire how he aquired the ability to sign Samsung zips.

[MENTION=4372418]GrievousMcG[/MENTION]: i dived alot through HPs support Forums and found many people, trying to get just informations or sources from HP. It looks like, HP doesn't even spend any interessest in this tab (i mean personal computer :laugh:). Which couldn't be any more sad. Even without the adb/usb/root/flash problems, they did many unneeded mistakes, creating the device. (like don't implement an GPS/GLONASS receiver or 3G... and yes... there are even personal computers, running x86 systems out there with integrated 3G modem)

So the community is asked to bring updates/roms and so on.

You may try to get them, to host the kernel sources open. But i don't think, there is even a small chance to success. HPs employers have got no idea about this device. You may try to ask them for USB Debugging cable or any way to root/flash/unlock... everything you hear is an "eeeehm..."

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oha... as told, i am just a simple android app developer but it seems like HP placed their certificate, used for signing process right inside the update.zip. At least, the update_WW.zip/META-INF/com/android/otacert -file looks very promising. May be thats an hindsight for anyone out there. Unfortunatly, i am running out of time for today, but i will keep you updated about fail or success.
[General Questions and Answers] locolyric:
Just finished two review of x2 ,

http://technologynews11.com/laptops/test-hp-slatebook-x2

and

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...entially-good-device-with-one-unfixable-flaw/

One of it were complaining the battery life and the other give thumbs up.

Which one should i trust?

Slatebook x2 is nearly perfect for me, except one of the software i need wasn't on android or IOS.

This is killing me.
[General Questions and Answers] Daifex:
Those reviews are not just finished, but about two monts ago. Since then X2 has received two system updates. So bugs in software and battery drain, if there were, may have been cleared now.

I Have the Slatebook for one month now, and I cant support the complaining review. I have not got battery drained anytime this month. Compare with my 2 years windows 7 64 toshiba laptop which battery never lasted more than 4 hours, and now only 2.
[General Questions and Answers] GrievousMcG:
Have a look at this review from notebookcheck which is much more recent: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-SlateBook-x2-10-h010nr-Tablet.103282.0.html. They gave it a fairly decent score of 85% but they say that the battery life is still pretty average. At least they are not saying that it's awful.

Anyway have a read and see what you think.
[General Questions and Answers] locolyric:
hmm. Is quite a nice review and get my attention.

Thanks!
[General Questions and Answers] 181jenkins:
Anyone found root for this yet? Not sure to go with this or the Asus transformer tf701t or the tetra note ! Grrrrr
[General Questions and Answers] blender3d:
I am still out of time to play around with. But i'll keep trying to root/flash it.

About the battery drain, i can't really complain. It is running more or less the whole day and i charge it like every second day.
[General Questions and Answers] GrievousMcG:
Cheers mate, take your time.

It's a pity that you aren't getting much support from the rest of the XDA community. I'll go over to the HP forum when I finish work and see if anyone else can help in accessing root from the update file (if they allow that sort of thing there...)
[General Questions and Answers] kseise:
I would be happy to help solve this, but I am not knowledgeable on these things. Point me in the right direction and I can try.
[General Questions and Answers] gdfrisco:
we need an specialist here or supporting this guy who want to give it a try, I just got my Slatebook X2 and tegra 4 really shines, the only thing I really need is to gain access to root. mine has a small light bleeding on the left side of the screen, and latest Hp update really fixed most or the yellow colors on the screen. Maybe we need to donate one(1) slatebook x2 to one of the senior xda developer members to take care of this issue.I think if we all contribute with a small amount of money, let's say 5-10 bucks each, we can make it happen, we just need somebody willing to collect the money on paypal and take care of the purchase.
[General Questions and Answers] bobiscool07:
it would be shocking if HP updated straight to 4.4
[General Questions and Answers] GrievousMcG:
It wouldn't surprise me but like you, I have my doubts because I wonder if HP has sold enough units to put that amount of effort in rolling out the latest updates to them?

You mean if we purchase a Slatebook for senior XDA developer? I'm not sure if that is a good idea. I doubt that we have enough people on here to contribute towards purchasing a slatebook for someone else let alone willing to donate in the first place....
[General Questions and Answers] HaPe000:
How long does it work with dock? How long does it charge?
[General Questions and Answers] toanau:
There a gaming tread for this tablet posted right above your post

Google Edition S4
[General Questions and Answers] raptir:
The big issue is that without ADB and Fastboot access rooting becomes substantially more difficult. All of the easy ways to root (insecure boot.img, flashing superuser through a custom recovery, etc...) are only easy if it's possible to unlock the bootloader without an exploit. Beyond that, most root exploits still require ADB (any sort of "toolkit" that runs off your PC to root the device). I've owned a number of Android devices and can't think of one that I rooted without connecting to my PC.

The lack of a PC connection also means that you can't use Helium without root, which is something I've come to rely on.
[General Questions and Answers] masterkent:
Isn't it possible to use ADB via WiFi or Bluetooth ?
[General Questions and Answers] raptir:
That's true, but it is still definitely complicating the process. You also have no access to fastboot. And again, no way to backup app data without root.

Also, HP doesn't sell the charger for the device. So no backup chargers and no car chargers.
[General Questions and Answers] masterkent:
Fantastic... So, we'll never get root on that tablet...
[General Questions and Answers] raptir:
Nah, I wouldn't say that. I'm certainly not a developer. The most robust root method I would be able to handle on my own is creating an insecure boot.img, and that's the bottom of the totem pole as far as difficulty goes. All I'm saying is that the simple method is not an option, and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of developer interest (or really interest at all) in the device...

That coupled with the fact that Helium backup won't work since there's no USB port makes me question returning the device...
[General Questions and Answers] masterkent:
The fact that there's no dedicated section to that tablet on XDA shows the limited interest there is about it. Despite its relatively low price and the lack of real competitor.
[General Questions and Answers] raptir:
Yeah, I think that the Transformer Tegra 4 model is still going to be the dockable tablet to go with once it's released. Still, I'm going to give this a fair chance.

Also, I take back what I said about ADB over wireless or bluetooth. To set that up you need to be able to connect the device once, so that's not an option for the Slatebook.
[General Questions and Answers] conan1600:
The nook HD plus is rooted and custom recovery installed via a SD card. It actually works out to be a better root and ROM method imho

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Yes that or...it hasn't hit store shelves and has no marketing so no name recognition :P
[General Questions and Answers] fantasticrat:
Root/CWM from SD

Actually, back in my Nook Color days I rooted via a bootable SD card. As I recall, it was just a matter of tricking the tablet into booting from the Micro SD and then using that to flash over the existing interface with CWM. From there it was easy to install CM7. I can't imagine it would be quite as simple as rooting from a computer, for a dev, at least, but for me it was the easiest root I ever did. Plus I'm on OS X Mountain Lion right now, so a lot of the standard utilities don't work for me. No Odin for my phone ... sigh.
[General Questions and Answers] mali_nay:
can anyone tell me about gaming

Hello,please tell me about its gaming, please
[General Questions and Answers] raptir:
To be fair, that's a single device family and all that was required was creating a bootable micro SD. The device was already configured to boot from the Micro SD first if a bootable Micro SD was found.
[General Questions and Answers] masterkent:
Same result unfortunately.
[General Questions and Answers] masterkent:
He sums up what I thought : a great device, but without root, it will not be mine.
[General Questions and Answers] HeggyChan:
no money:D
[General Questions and Answers] Rydo111:
To get to recovery, I hold the power and vol down key until the HP symbol comes up, then I let go of the power key. It boots into recovery and there is an option to boot to fastboot. You can also flash from the SD. I tried getting into fastboot, which worked. There are limited options, but it does display "Device=Locked".

I agree that this device will be different to the TF201 to root, but if other devices can be rooted via the SD, then there is hope. The deafening silencing on this device from the Dev community is concerning. Hopefully it will get noticed soon.

Agree with the lack of USB charger...its crap.
[General Questions and Answers] jinnk:
Is alt+tab working on slatebook ?
[General Questions and Answers] aznmode:
Alt + tab works exactly like a PC
[General Questions and Answers] toanau:
I just received the tablet. I am little disappointed about the build quality. Kinda heavy and dock looked kind of flimsy. With no support from developers this device might be in trouble. At the moment there is no way of connecting to computer to root. There might be SD root method like HP slate 7. Also there is positive the tablet can read 64G SD. 21 day left to test

Google Edition S4

Google Edition S4
[General Questions and Answers] kseise:
Works for a good 12 hours for me and charges in about 3 hours. I never really paid attention to how long it charges, but that seems right.
[General Questions and Answers] Daifex:
This morning was tablet 61% and keyboard 3%. Charging without using it, tablet got 100% in 1h10'. Fully charged (keyboard also 100%) in 2h45' .
[General Questions and Answers] gdfrisco:
It does really works for 12-13 hours

I just realized if you have the option "balance power" turn on, it does actually last for 12-13 hours(w/ Dock), however it underclocks tegra 4 SoC to 600-800Mhz and mostly uses 2 cores, sometimes 3 cores. Performance is good enough for regular use. If you want to fully use the 4 cores at 1.8Ghz, just disable the balance power option and sadly it will only last 6-7 hours(w/ Dock). I had some antutu 4 benchmarks only showing 17802(w/ balance power on), w/ balance power off I got an amazing 30800 score. I'm overall happy with my slate book x2, I use it everyday for mobile presentations, tegra 4 gaming and web browsing. Got mine for an amazing price of $200 plus tax. Store made a mistake at the time of purchase, wasn't exactly ethical from my side but just kept my mouth shut and with the enexpected savings I was able to buy a refurbished lenovo T410 as well(on sale).
[General Questions and Answers] aznmode:
Well after waiting a month for the tf701 and finally got it, im kinda regretting returning my slatebook. Everything is much smoother on the x2. Anyone know if U.S. will ever get the 32gb version?
[General Questions and Answers] GrievousMcG:
In Australia, we have the 64GB version and the 16GB version. A chain store not unlike Best Buy called JB HiFi sell the 64GB version for approx A$597 which works out roughly to US$567 if you are thinking of importing it. It's cheaper than HP official Aussie website which is selling it for $749.

Link: http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/comp...-10-h004-x2-10-1-touchscreen-slatebook/692601.

Not too sure if JB Hifi ships to the US though.
[General Questions and Answers] kseise:
Do they also have the USB cable? Has anyone found a market that sells the cable? Hong Kong supposedly has it, but I can't confirm.
[General Questions and Answers] bobiscool07:
male to male USB. they don't have the proprietary one.
[General Questions and Answers] aznmode:
Thanks but I don't think they ship to U.S.

I also checked with HP chat sales and HP business sales and they do not sell the 32gb models and just the 16gb. Tried ebay and amazon and still no luck.
[General Questions and Answers] kseise:
Does the male - male USB work? I tried it here in the US, but it does not work. That's why I am hoping to track down the proprietary one.
[General Questions and Answers] blender3d:
Actually HP have an proprietary cable. They showed a picture accidently on the tools site of the slatebook X2. But it got removed after a couple of days. Also i found one, who disassembled it and found some kind of port inside the tab itself. I guess thats the low level serial bridge for debugging the slatebook. It stays like it is... HP doesn't want anyone to modify their device.
[General Questions and Answers] aznmode:
Yep thats what it sounds like but if they just included move app to sd function I wouldve kept it.

Btw you returned yours too right?
[General Questions and Answers] locolyric:
cons for this model. fewer usb port . and it only provide usb2.0 port!!
[General Questions and Answers] bobiscool07:
fewer usb ports? how many android devices have a full USB? The device costs what, 400 buck, so obviously its not gonna have all the best stuff. If you want something better, return it and buy something else ?.
[General Questions and Answers] DavidIanWarren:
Overall Performance and Use

I've been using the SlateBook x2 as my PRIMARY SYSTEM for almost 2 months now and I LOVE IT!!! Android performs wonderfully (though I MUST HAVE ROOT and ideally an alternate ROM). Batter life is good (and the "balanced" tweak slows proc a bit and preserves battery nicely). Most of my day I'm on the road, tethered to my phone, running a Windows 8 VDI back at my office. I would buy one of these again hands down!

Dev Group is needed!!!

Root is needed!!!

Alternate ROMs would be great!!!
[General Questions and Answers] locolyric:
at least a single usb 3.0 port will do.
[General Questions and Answers] kseise:
Doesn't USB 3.0 draw a lot of power for a small battery?
[General Questions and Answers] bobiscool07:
If you have a male to male USB cable, and willing to do anything for root. Give this a try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MiZtZCqu4k&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[General Questions and Answers] gdfrisco:
Unfortunately didn't work. USB male to male cable didn't even recognized my device. We need a usb data cable to give it a try. I seriously need to root my Slatebook X2.
[General Questions and Answers] kseise:
Anyone tried plugging it into a Linux box to see what happens? I will try it tonight. I don't remember it being detected, but I will see if there is anything useful generated.
[General Questions and Answers] bobiscool07:
my friends, forget about root, or even connecting this tablet to the computer. As the HP help / faq say:

HP isn't looking to give the proprietary USB cable, and they removed the ability to use male USB to male USB connection through a software update.

Return it while you can. Abandon ship people, abandon ship :eek:
[General Questions and Answers] GrievousMcG:
Screw that.

Anyway what is the alternative? The new Asus Transformer? Not even available here in Australia yet and when it does, it bound to be more expensive than this one with on par performance.

I'm sure that some creative genius will find a way to root this tablet. It just that HP needs to promote it more in it's current form rather than how it was when they first launched it.
[General Questions and Answers] aznmode:
I have the tf701 and it has some stutter and people reporting dock issues and battery drain from asus email app. Imo the slatebook is the best performer out of the two. I regret returning it so I bought it again. Ill post comparison video when I get it tomorrow.
[General Questions and Answers] bobiscool07:
Does anyone else experience overheating when battery saving mode is DISABLED and running a high end game made specifically for tergra 4?
[General Questions and Answers] gdfrisco:
In my case, Slightly overheating, nothing serious. I noticed it after 2-3 hours of continous FPS gaming(Dead Trigger 2, N.O.V.A 3 and Mass Effect infiltrator), I guess this is totally normal. When Battery saving mode is disabled, Tegra 4 SoC is fully running 4 cores at full 1.8 Ghz speed. With only 28nm fab process for Tegra 4 SoC(1.8Ghz) and passive cooling on all Tegra 4 tablets, is pretty demanding for any tablet by today's standars. Blame Nvidia for it, It should be better, but it's what it's. My brother has a Toshiba Xcite Pro(Tegra 4) and it gets pretty hot after 2 hours of Dead Trigger 2 playing.
[General Questions and Answers] bobiscool07:
For dead trigger 2, did you change the settings to the highest? On those settings, my tablet becomes hot within 30 min, and extremely hot within 45-50. Battery saving node disabled.
[General Questions and Answers] aznmode:
Mine gets pretty warm but not hot although I've only played for about an hour of the game.

On another note, using HDMI out I'm able to play google tv movies. Tried it on my Asus tf701 and I just get a black screen. Also I can connect to my Allshare cast dongle via Wireless Display setting for screen mirroring. The trick is when you connect, select "verify via Pin". You will get a 9 digit code on the TV screen, type that in the HP and you're connect. The 2nd time you try to connect it wont let you but just deauthorize and verify via pin again.
[General Questions and Answers] gdfrisco:
HDMI out w/ 1080p mp4 videos on Slatebook X2 work great, much better than my old Transformer TF700 and TF300T(incapables of a smooth 720p video reproduction thru HDMI Output and totally unable to reproduce 1080p videos smoothly). We need to root the Slatebook X2 to be able to use the great "Screen Standby" App, which will allow us to save battery on slate book X2 when playing thru HDMI, instead of having dual reproduction(tablet and TV) as it currently does.

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Yes I did, I disabled the power saving option to fully utilize the Tegra 4 cores at full speed.