[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Firstly, thank you to everyone who has tried to defend me and my decisions. It is much appreciated.

And now, here are my responses ...

> With respect, but that's a pretty poor answer.

With respect, I think you are unfairly biased against me, although I haven't the foggiest idea why.

> You basically don't want to correct up navigation because you don't use it.

False.

I basically don't want to correct "up" navigation because I would rather spend my time on other things which I deem to be more important.

If you think "up" navigation is so important, go talk to Google and tell them to fix up Android's implementation of multi-level preference activities so it includes "up" navigation for preference (sub-)screens. Once they fix it there, the fix will be inherited by future versions of Android.

> Hold the phone with just your left hand. You can easily press the

> button for up navigation with your thumb, but you can't for the back

> button without adjusting how you're holding the phone. That's why

> up navigation exists.

Go complain to Google.

> As you're using large chunks of the CyanogenMod source

> (98% based on an older post of yours)

> shouldn't this project be open source?

As of writing, I choose not to make the source code available. This is permitted by the Apache license which both Android and Cyanogenmod uses.

> And it's not something that you can say no to if you're asked for it, you know that right?

If you think I have done something wrong, please notify Google and ask them to review whether 8sms should be allowed on the Play Store.

Otherwise, stop defaming me and 8sms.

> Open source projects with premium features still do very well.

> GravityBox is proof of that as that's totally open source and it has

> premium features, yet people still use the original version. And just

> think, if you had of released the source then a theme engine probably

> would of been done by now.

Irrelevant subjective conjecture.

> In the past a thread was locked by an ex moderator due to the

> messaging source not being released.

If you think I have done something wrong, please notify the xda forum moderators and ask them to review the situation.

Otherwise, stop defaming me and 8sms.

> Yet his reason for keeping it closed source makes no sense.

It doesn't have to make sense. It's my decision so long as I comply with the Apache license. You can rant all you want, and it won't change the fact that it's my decision.

> If only 2% of the code is his own then why not release it? He has no plans to add adverts

> ...

Too long, didn't read.

> That's why I'm annoyed, because I know how to fix the up navigation

> issue but bengtan's said that he alone doesn't consider jumbled/incomplete

> up navigation as a big enough issue for him to spend

any

time on.

I don't consider it jumbled.

It *was* getting a bit jumbled because there are lots and lots of options in the 8sms settings. Changing it to use preference screens cleans it up nicely.

I don't consider it incomplete either. I'm reasonably satisfied with it.

> He pretty much replied to me saying that "I don't consider this a

> problem, so I won't fix it".

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I don't consider it a problem.

*Maybe* if you had asked nicely in the first, I /might/ have given it more consideration, but I think you've gotten too emotional now.

> Do you see copies of TextSecure or GravityBox? No because Google

> removes blatant rips, especially when the copy adds a price tag.

Irrelevant.

> If 98% of the code isn't his own then what's to stop someone doing the

> same 2% extra found in 8sms and releasing it as an open source project,

Nothing. I'm not stopping anyone doing anything. There are other similar messaging apps out there on the Play Store which are also derived from the Google (or Cyanogenmod) stock messaging app.

> That's what bengtan should be more scared of.

Yeah, whatever.

There are some things in life I'm scared of, but this is not one of them.

I stopped reading because you're just making the same arguments again.

You have your opinion. I have my opinion.

If you don't like my opinion or my decisions, that's your problem, not mine.

Feel free to use another messaging app besides 8sms. It might be a lot less stressful for you.

If I've done something wrong, please report it to the relevant authorities. Otherwise, stop defaming me and wasting my time.