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[Android Apps and Games] Mr.Its:
With respect, but that's a pretty poor answer. You basically don't want to correct up navigation because you don't use it. Everyone else who does though is now getting tossed around a settings menu that they can't back out of easily with their thumb because you wanted to make the menu appear slightly less cluttered.

Hold the phone with just your left hand. You can easily press the button for up navigation with your thumb, but you can't for the back button without adjusting how you're holding the phone. That's why up navigation exists.

As you're using large chunks of the CyanogenMod source (98% based on an older post of yours) shouldn't this project be open source? And it's not something that you can say no to if you're asked for it, you know that right? And the app probably would of been pulled from the Play Store already if it was paid for or contained adverts. And sure, I can understand that you're worried that someone with a larger marketing budget could take the code and release it as their own, but that would still only contain 2% of your changes and they would have the same problem releasing it on the Play Store without it getting pulled.

Open source projects with premium features still do very well. GravityBox is proof of that as that's totally open source and it has premium features, yet people still use the original version. And just think, if you had of released the source then a theme engine probably would of been done by now.

In the past a thread was locked by an ex moderator due to the messaging source not being released.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28762931&postcount=242
[Android Apps and Games] HoochieCoo:
Much of AOSP and CM are licensed using Apache v2. While the Linux portions, specifically the kernel, are GPL the Apache license is much less restrictive. It allows derivatives to also use a different license and be converted to a closed source project. There is no requirement to release the source even on request.

There is also no rule, even under GPL, that he can't charge for an app. He could charge in any fashion he sees fit... Money, ads, Skittles, donuts...

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD
[Android Apps and Games] szpuntoo:
Please add emots pack from theard :

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=37718189&postcount=2&nocache=1&z=666686892509460

Replace in text codes :

<3 to heart

:) to smile

:/ to sink

Etc

Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] TiVa:
I don't know if I did this correct but here's a log.

(This is the first time I made a log, so if I have to do something different, let me know!)

I'm the person that said 8sms is starting up quite slow for an highend device as the s5.
[Android Apps and Games] simon_lefisch:
[MENTION=5181263]bengtan[/MENTION] loving the new menu layout for 8sms. Looks clean. Great job [emoji106]
[Android Apps and Games] Mr.Its:
Yet his reason for keeping it closed source makes no sense. If only 2% of the code is his own then why not release it? He has no plans to add adverts, stat tracking or release a premium version and people have been asking for a theme engine or simply more theme choices for how long now? If the source was released then his attitude towards not fixing things that don't bother him wouldn't be a problem. Myself or someone else would easily fix it and then create a pull request. From that the app would then appear more polished and thus it would gain a larger fanbase. As it stands it's a good app, but what about all of the translations that it's missing and the bugs that bengtan can't fix because he doesn't have the same phone to debug on. There's people out there willing to help and make the app better for the community, but they can't do anything because there's no source. That's why I'm annoyed, because I know how to fix the up navigation issue but bengtan's said that he alone doesn't consider jumbled/incomplete up navigation as a big enough issue for him to spend

any

time on. He pretty much replied to me saying that "I don't consider this a problem, so I won't fix it".

Do you see copies of TextSecure or GravityBox? No because Google removes blatant rips, especially when the copy adds a price tag.

If 98% of the code isn't his own then what's to stop someone doing the same 2% extra found in 8sms and releasing it as an open source project, which would then eclipse 8sms because there's extra developer support and openness to the project which just gives people more of a reason to trust the app asking for full network access. That's what bengtan should be more scared of.
[Android Apps and Games] HoochieCoo:
Nothing except time and will. Sounds like you are just the guy to do it.

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD
[Android Apps and Games] Mr.Its:
Maybe, but I'm a busy guy and I don't want to compete with people.

I just don't understand why bengtan wouldn't want to release the source when there's so many benefits to it. And I know that he's mentioned marketing and budgets before, but why would he care about any of that when the apps free and built off an open source project in the first place. Personally I'd rather have a high quality open source app that can compete with the best then to tell someone that I won't fix something because it doesn't bother me enough. I can tell them to fix it themselves if they know how. And hey, do you want to improve the translations for your language? Go right ahead and do it. And would you rather have the Hangouts emoticons than the iPhone looking ones so that the app's more Android themed? No problem, they're easily added. That results in more bugs fixed and more happy users, which also means that you'll get more downloads as your app gets talked about more.
[Android Apps and Games] scottjb:
Now that we all know how Mr.Its feels, please accept bengtan's position move on. Or, take up the discussion outside the thread. It's getting old.
[Android Apps and Games] Mr.Its:
I think you'll find that the discussion about this app belongs in this thread. I'm sure there's other devs out there who'll agree with what I'm saying here too.

I've brought up a counter argument to what bentang has said before and have given good examples and reasons as to why going open source would benefit the project. The ball is in his court now.
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Your log is ... not quite correct.

It is a log, but for some reason, I don't see anything from 8sms in there. It's possible you didn't get all of the log, or some messages got filtered out, or something.

If it helps, see:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2303834

Also, there's no point sending me logs that use the production version of 8sms. These wouldn't have enough relevant information for me to use.

If you want to continue this, please email me instead. I'd have to send you development versions which produce more timing information.

Thank you.
[Android Apps and Games] Mr.Its:
bengtan, do you not see how rude you are? I reported a problem to which you said you didn't see, so I made the effort and created screenshots of it and gave examples of apps that have the same settings layout but work correctly. You then basically said that you won't fix the problem, so what you've said here...

Is a lie. You wouldn't of fixed it because I reported a navigation behaviour error in the nicest way possible in the first place. What do you expect me to do, ask you to please fix it and I'll buy you a few beers in return? It doesn't work like that. You made changes that made up navigation worse and rather than thanking me for reporting the issue you say that you won't fix it. No "added to my to do list", no "noted, thanks" just flat out "I won't fix it".

Yet I tried to help you by reporting an issue that could make your app look a little more polished? Yeah, that makes sense, I'm totally biased... :rolleyes:

You know full well that I mean up navigation is jumbled. Some screens go back to the wrong screen and some are missing the option entirely. It is fixable and it's not Googles problem.

And I've talked about how it is a problem, to which you say "Go complain to Google" when I've told you exactly how to fix it and that I know how to do it myself.

Yet you're scared of this...

Even though you're using 98% of the AOSP/CyanogenMod code and don't plan on adverts, stat tracking or a premium version. And all I did was give perfectly good examples of how going open source would benefit everyone (better translations, themes, icons, emoticons etc). I even gave examples of successful open source apps, to which you acted real mature about (heavy sarcasm) and said things like this...

Definition of defaming: Damage the good reputation of someone.

How have I defamed you by reporting an issue and then giving examples of how going open source would benefit everyone, which you yourself then totally glossed over with crap like "too long, didn't read". You're defaming yourself by acting rude to people who are only wanting to help you make your app better.

It's pointless for me to say much more as you can't handle constructive criticism. Plus if you won't release the source just because you don't want to then good luck with that. I can only respect your decision, even though I think it's wrong and you're making a lot more work for yourself that could otherwise be achieved in hours, days or weeks.
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Enough.

I have received enough verbal abuse from you. I see no point in replying nor continuing this conversation.

This conversation is finished. Good day.
[Android Apps and Games] szpuntoo:
My emoticons from xperia z2 for 8sms ported :D

And feature contact no avatar to image with first contact name letter!

Please add this to official version! :)
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Thanks, I'll keep this in mind, but I can't promise when I'll get around to it.
[Android Apps and Games] dragonballz:
Yes very good idea I also use the same letters to all my contacts avatar :good:

It would be great to add it letters for contacts .
[Android Apps and Games] dragonballz:
Can you change the black strip in the clear theme.

To have a clear band, this would be better for the clear theme, please, thank you.
[Android Apps and Games] szpuntoo:
This is good idea! 8sms is actually not modern... Change this! :)
[Android Apps and Games] simon_lefisch:
Its not meant to be modern, its meant to be clean and simple. This is the same as AOSP. Nothing flashy/fancy.
[Android Apps and Games] cas239:
I understand it may be for a small niche of users, but how difficult would it be to add a message send sound. Similar to other apps which have a "woosh." If not I understand. Great app and great work dev. Appreciate the consideration!
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Definitely doable, and reasonably straightforward. It's just that ... like a lot of cosmetic tweaks ... I often have more important things to work on first :)

I hope you understand.
[Android Apps and Games] cas239:
No worries :) thanks for the reply!
[Android Apps and Games] TiVa:
Hi there!

I installed new version of 8sms and the lag I experienced before is gone! Nice job!

However I experience a new bug... I recieved an mms, but 8sms crashes when I try to open it. I managed to read the mms on stock messenger app, but not in 8sms. It just FC. I'm on a samsung galaxy s5 (sm-g900w8).
[Android Apps and Games] simon_lefisch:
Try clearing app data/cache.
[Android Apps and Games] TiVa:
now it even crashes when opening conversations without mms...

Edit: Clean install fixed crashing of 8sms of conversations without mms, but it keeps crashing on the one with mms...
[Android Apps and Games] simon_lefisch:
Only other thing I can say is reboot into recovery and clear cache/dalvik. Not sure what else to do. Works fine for me with no probs. Maybe provide a log so the dev can take a look and see.
[Android Apps and Games] TiVa:
Thanks for trying to help, but nope... Clearing dalvic cache didn't help either...

Logcat:

08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412): FATAL EXCEPTION: 8sms/PduLoaderManager-1
08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412): Process: com.thinkleft.eightyeightsms.mms, PID: 10412
08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412): java.lang.ClassCastException: com.thinkleft.eightyeightsms.mms.dom.smil.SmilElementImpl cannot be cast to org.w3c.dom.smil.SMILParElement
08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412):	at com.thinkleft.eightyeightsms.mms.model.SmilHelper.fixup(SmilHelper.java:126)
08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412):	at com.thinkleft.eightyeightsms.mms.model.SmilHelper.getSmilDocument(SmilHelper.java:225)
08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412):	at com.thinkleft.eightyeightsms.mms.model.SmilHelper.getDocument(SmilHelper.java:81)
08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412):	at com.thinkleft.eightyeightsms.mms.model.SlideshowModel.createFromPduBody(SlideshowModel.java:114)
08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412):	at com.thinkleft.eightyeightsms.mms.util.PduLoaderManager$PduTask.run(PduLoaderManager.java:187)
08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412):	at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1112)
08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412):	at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:587)
08-20 16:26:01.158 E/AndroidRuntime(10412):	at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:841)
08-20 16:26:01.168 W/ActivityManager(727): Force finishing activity com.thinkleft.eightyeightsms.mms/.ui.ComposeMessageActivity_1

Edit: full log as attachment
[Android Apps and Games] dragonballz:
Little bug that's been awhile since I had not been, I open the application then if I click on a conversation it returns to the main screen (screen conversations), insisting it works again.
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Thanks for the log.

That particular mms message seems to be structured in a way that is making 8sms choke. Can you please email me (at the registered developer email of 8sms)?

I'd like to get some more information from you ... and probably need to give you a debug version of 8sms to test with.

I'm sorry, but your statement is not very clear. Is there an issue with using 8sms? Can you please describe it better (or maybe email me directly)? I don't quite understand your description. Thanks.
[Android Apps and Games] dragonballz:
I'm sorry, but your statement is not very clear. Is there an issue with using 8sms? Can you please describe it better (or maybe email me directly)? I don't quite understand your description. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Ok, with google translation is not easy it can not be translated correctly.

1 / I open 8sms

2 / I want to open a conversation

3 / The conversation does not want to open his back on the first screen of 8 sms

This bug happens from time to time.
[Android Apps and Games] goatlaw:
hey bengtan

first of all thanks for this app :D

and i have a question, do you mind do build in another appearance customization option ?

if i choose "light theme" the messages are all white - a option for coloring the messages would be superb or two different (or only for incoming/outgoing) colors like in dark theme ... its sometimes "hard to read" if its all white and black.

thanks in advance and keep it up mate :)

regards
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Ok, with google translation is not easy it can not be translated correctly.

1 / I open 8sms

2 / I want to open a conversation

3 / The conversation does not want to open his back on the first screen of 8 sms

This bug happens from time to time.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for clarifying.

I think this is going to require more investigation. Can you email me please (at the registered email address for 8sms)? Thanks.

Yes, agreed and acknowledged. Thanks.
[Android Apps and Games] VZulkit:
Would love Dual Sim Feature, I can give MMS.apk of DUal Sim Device, only MT6577.
[Android Apps and Games] Krunk83:
Anyone else have pretty poor mms resolution compared to, say, hangouts? I have the resolution in mms set to the stock 1080 but each pic I send is very compressed and blotchy.

GS5 Towel Rooted
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Sorry, dual sim is hard, and I haven't had time to work on it.

See http://8s.ms/dual-sim-support

Please see http://8s.ms/low-quality-mms-images and let me know if that doesn't help.
[Android Apps and Games] StickFigs:
If I don't enable emojis in 8sms I see the new KitKat emojis when someone sends me an emoji but if I enable emojis in settings then all the emojis turn into the old style emojis. How can I enable emojis but have 8sms use the new KitKat emojis?
[Android Apps and Games] shoeprano27:
What's the difference between regular apk and googlefix apk?
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Sorry about this. I haven't got around to fixing it up.

If you enable emoji support in 8sms, it will override the KitKat emojis (if they are natively supported by your phone).

Since it sounds like your phone already supports the KitKat emojis, you can probably just turn off emoji support in 8sms. Then, in order to "use" the emojis ... I believe KitKat has an emoji keyboard which you can use instead.

There's a google bug which is worked around. Please see:

http://8s.ms/launcher-icon-removed-home-screen-google
[Android Apps and Games] TiVa:
I know I thanked you by email, but notheless I want other people to know what a great developer you are for taking the time to look at my logs and fix this issue! Many thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
I've just released version 1.41 of 8sms

I've just released version 1.41 of 8sms and it should be available in the next few hours.

Looking through some old posts ...

I believe both of these are fixed now, hopefully.
[Android Apps and Games] sdeft:
hi bengtan

is there a way to select & delete multiple mesages once you are inside a thread ?
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Sorry, not yet, but it's a feature that I've started work on, so it should arrive soon, hopefully.
[Android Apps and Games] shoeprano27:
Possible to get a feature where we hear a notification sound when messages are sent?
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Hi,

Not yet, sorry. I still have a long list of other things to do first.
[Android Apps and Games] winamp26:
hi

is possible add material design?
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
AFAIK, this won't really be feasible until Android L is released, because the new Material theme will be available with Android L.

For example, Google Play won't even let developers release app versions built against Android L yet.
[Android Apps and Games] NeoPhoenixTE:
I love this app and it's been my go-to messaging app across multiple ROMs. One thing that I've wanted to do is switch the emoji style to the same style as those in Google Hangouts. I personally find that emoji easier to understand. Is there any possibility of adding an option to switch styles? It'd help with folks who are used to certain styles.
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
At the moment, sorry, but 8sms doesn't include the Android-style emoji. It is an item on my to-do list, but my to-do list is quite long nowadays.

However, if you are using Android KitKat, you can just turn off emoji support in 8sms and then Android will use it's own built-in emoji.
[Android Apps and Games] snakefoot:
Fixing the green smileys

Needed a good SMS/MMS app for S4 Mini (i9590) that supported sms-delivery-reports, and 8sms is the best on 4.4.2 KitKat. It beats Samsung Messaging and Google Hangout.

Just needed to fix the green smileys, and that was a little adventure:

Need root by using Odin to flash CF-root

Installed Xposed and activated it using root access

Installed Xposed SmileyReplacer for 8sms

Downloaded smiley package, and now it works..

Could be neat with an easier path to get pretty smileys in 8sms, but now I'm happy
[Android Apps and Games] al12345:
I'm using the Heads Up notifications from Xposed on a custom Sony rom. Whenever I use quick reply from the floating notification it doesnt clear the notification as it would if I used quick reply from the notification drawer. Could this be fixed?

I understand if it is a low priority bug.
[Android Apps and Games] LochNiss:
Bengtan,

Can you help me with 2 questions?

1) I did a xda search in this thread but no results. Does your app "search" through all SMS? It's the reason I am switching from google hangout.

2) On your website you offer WEB SMS. If I send a websms will it sync with my mobile phone and show up in my SMS thread?

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] jakereeves31:
Why not just download the app and see?
[Android Apps and Games] ronwi2:
Get Incoming GV SMS on 8sms AND Hangouts

It seems that I can receive my incoming GV SMS on either 8sms or Hangouts, but not both (Nexus 5). I would like to be able to receive my incoming GV SMS in both apps at the same time. Any ideas?

(here's the why, if anyone cares: I use an app called Texte. It allows family and friends to send me an SMS with a trigger word that I select which causes my phone to beep loudly even if the ringer and sound are off. That is how I can be reached in an emergency when I go to sleep and turn my ringer off. The Texte app will detect the trigger word in 8sms, but not in Hangouts. So I would like my incoming SMS to be in both.)
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
What is the "quick reply from the floating notification"? Is that an Xposed thing?

If it's an Xposed thing ... I'm not sure if it can be fixed. Xposed needs to somehow tell 8sms to update its notifications.

Yes, there is a search function in 8sms. AFAIK, it does search through all messages.

If you send web sms through 8sms, the sent message is stored into your sms thread, yes.

Sorry, I don't know.

Going on first principles ... I don't think you can receive the same sms on both apps. The SMS framework in Android KitKat only allows one sms app to "save" the message.
[Android Apps and Games] fiorentinos:
Please add Pushbullet support! I love your app!
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
It's already in. Just upgrade to the latest version, and then tick the "Extra settings" » "Pushbullet support" checkbox.
[Android Apps and Games] fiorentinos:
That's awesome!!!Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] user2k10:
[REQUEST]

Facility to automatically add "*0# " (star zero hash space) to the front of a text message before it gets sent.

Some UK networks do not support delivery reports unless this code is at the start of the SMS.

Maybe this could be stripped on incoming text messages also.

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Hi, actually, I implemented this recently, but it's only visible on the O2 (UK) network.

Can you check in the 8sms "Sms settings" whether there is a "O2 network compatibility" checkbox under delivery reports?

If there isn't such a checkbox, can you please visit the About page in 8sms and tell me what the "Network (xxxxx)" line says?
[Android Apps and Games] user2k10:
What happens if I'm on O2 (UK) and send a message with that option enabled to a person also using 8sms who is on Vodafone (UK)? Would 8sms correctly strip the code from the front of the text message on their phone?

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] AndroidVin:
this is one of the first apps I install everytime I change my rom....one word to describe it: "awesome"!!!:good:
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
If you're on O2 (UK) and you send a sms message with a '*0# ' prefix (in order to enable delivery receipts), AFAICT, O2 strips the '*0# ' out of the message. Hence, the receiving person doesn't see the prefix (regardless of what network they are on).
[Android Apps and Games] user2k10:
Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] fivejuantwo:
Seperator

Not crazy about the new seperator so staying on the old version for now. Anyway we can put it back to normal? the new one looks worse than the old IMO
[Android Apps and Games] fivejuantwo:
Other than that i love this app, has so many additional options from the stock one.
[Android Apps and Games] bengtan:
Uh, what do you mean by "seperator"? I don't understand.
[Android Apps and Games] fivejuantwo:
Its super minor however I just liked the look before.

This is the look before

[IMG="Old Lines"]http://www.mattatx.com/ss.png[/IMG]

After I dont have a screenshot of but it looks much more bold and flat.