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[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
I dont like the idea of donations for what I'm hoping to be an app that will make me money... but hang on, make me money from the same people who donated ?? eh? see my point? Google Play should introduce 2 things, pre-sales and "free" refunds :) Or just allow the developer to specify accounts who get X for free... that would work also... but sadly missing that ability... my current feeling is donations are not moral :)
[Android Apps and Games] thyttel:
Well no matter what you need to do something. I don't think your going to have success with an sms app that doesn't support mms.

Sure it might not matter in the UK, but in the rest of the world where mms is mostly free and no restrictions is a big deal.

From my own experience I don't see myself or anyone outside the UK using a sms program as my prime app, unless just for testing. Once there is no testing it would only be my prime sms app that would be installed.

And right now I already like this app so much that with mms added it would be my main app. Even with out all the stuff you have planned but haven't added yet

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[Android Apps and Games] happiboi:
Sweet, installed after watching the helpful video ... looks quite polished for an 'early beta'

navigation around seems to be quite fluid too, 1st impressions are great. Will use it a bit more as a semi daily driver and see how it all goes :)
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Catch22... as always.... yes I want mms (after finding out how cheap it is everywhere cept here)..... cant release it till I have mms ? or if I do it wont make any money... cant afford to develop mms support, and wont take donations for an app that will likely generate revenue from ads... fk I'm a funny one :)
[Android Apps and Games] kaos1211:
Lol how about you don't take it as donations but as an investment some of us are willing to make. You can add a funders page in the app with people's names of something Lol just throwing out ideas

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Of you can take a page from the app falcon pro it's a twitter app but it has a donate app that when you purchase it from play store it has a bunch of wallpapers and it unlocks a setting to quick compose a tweet on the status bar. Something like that idk some themes available for those who "invest"
[Android Apps and Games] mayanks_098:
Awesome app. Finally a messaging app worth using. Will pay when it comes out of beta.
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
ok, well.. hmm... added a donate button to my profile thingy... oddly I just looked at my paypal acct and I have $12.59 in there, so I guess thats the start of my play with mms fund that will aid in the new ferraris for the UK O2 executives ... ugh that even feels dirty!!!
[Android Apps and Games] polobunny:
You could be lucky enough and maybe even get to see one of them drive it! :p
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
All of this just feels so wrong, why couldn't mms just die everywhere like it did in the UK, why can't it just be so expensive everywhere????! Dammit!
[Android Apps and Games] polobunny:
:silly: MMS is a pretty solid way of exchanging small multimedia files though.
[Android Apps and Games] drumcodex:
MMS is free in denmark, its very much used here
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
but when I mod my image sms to be "file" sms, it is too :)
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
I know!, come to the uk, enjoy our cheap...erm... oh right...
[Android Apps and Games] Gawayne:
Same here, free unlimited MMS in France on most contracts
[Android Apps and Games] Slem.Prod:
nice app!
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
see if I had unlimited mms I it may have already been in SmartMessenger.... I can change my contract and + £8 will get me 50 per month lol
[Android Apps and Games] Gawayne:
Damn...here is unlimited calls to landlines to France, Europe & USA + unlimited mobile calls, SMS/MMS to France for...20€
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
see before starting this thread, I actually thought it was the rest of the world (specially the states) that got ripped off on contracts... now.... not so much :)
[Android Apps and Games] thyttel:
I threw a few beers at you as they call it. More to come....

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[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
I don't drink though :) But yeah, you mean the o2 executive ferrari fund..
[Android Apps and Games] thyttel:
Of course. You should also have gotten an email from PayPal

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[Android Apps and Games] dmbardal:
Seems pretty interesting!

I will be testing this out for sure.

Keep up the work! :)
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Request

can someone with free MMS just mms themselves an image ? Android MMS framework is not smart enough not to just not send it but simply save it ? Just checking :)
[Android Apps and Games] ubigred:
If I understand you correctly, Android will send the mms and you will receive it. However , it will not save to phone/gallery. You have to manually save it.

Sent from my SGNote 2
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
well what I mean is, if YOU create an mms with the destination of your own number, does it actually send, or does the framework think "oh, hang on, this tw*t is sending it to himself, I wont send it I will just save it".... or is it exactly like sms... I'm asking cause I now have a limited amount of mms to play with at some point, don't want to waste anything to find out that it doesn't "send" and "receive" to myself :) pretty sure it will send, and receive, just want to make sure but not waste one doing it!
[Android Apps and Games] ubigred:
Yes, it actually sends.

Sent from my SGNote 2
[Android Apps and Games] thyttel:
Yeah it will send the mms

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[Android Apps and Games] korrectmethod:
Lots of fc's on 2.3. Fc when trying to open settings, also fc when trying to just open a conversation so I can't say its usable at all on 2.3 yet. Very promising though.
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Thanks guys
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
OK 1st thing, is there should be no FC's, even on 2.3 (if there are I need to know about them) so... quick few tips ;) 2.3 on R800i Stock ? Need info, also info on what you were doing ... also there would have been a report button on a FC, you need to press it... or it's a problem that never comes to the attention of the dev... in this case ... me :)

Cheers in advance for any info you give....and hit the "report" button on the crash dialog!!
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Any joy on that report ? Don't make me PM you!!! :)
[Android Apps and Games] Mac of York:
Here's a bug! If I import existing conversations and try to send a text message from that screen, it does not go through and is eternally waiting. If I start a SMS and enter someone in the "To:" field, it works fine. The reply works fine after I have sent one manually using the start SMS button.

Version: 0.01.07b 58

Phone: Verizon Galaxy Note II (SCH-I605)

ROM: Jelly 'Beans' Build 21

Thanks, love the app so far!
[Android Apps and Games] white.noise:
Do you take theme requests?
[Android Apps and Games] drumcodex:
Would like to test this, how can i do that?
[Android Apps and Games] sha_tan:
As I said earlier, it's awesome work. Here are some features which could make this app even greater:

1. Ability to call the contact from the conversation/message screen.

2. Ability to search messages/contacts in the conversations list.

3. Ability to expand notifications to read full text and then swipe away.
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
ok cheers, will look into that..
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
I take anything, only use it if it has worth though :) But yeah, if a theme is good I will quickly implement it..
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Join the group on g+, then read the instructions on the groups about box in a web browser
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
whats the theme ?
[Android Apps and Games] :
Just dropping by to say the new version works GREAT! Especially pressing menu now slides in the Settings panel :)

Looks forward to one click compose new SMS, rather than opens up the 3 options. That saves me one click only though :P (low priority)

Thanks a zillion! Impressed of how this will grow into a BIG app! :D
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Normally I'm a fan of "least click" paths to do something, not sure why I chose a menu, when you can change the type (and will always be able to) from within the editor/creator.... hmmm... tell you what, next version that will just be a create button :)
[Android Apps and Games] korrectmethod:
I'm running custom rom that is based on stock. I will send all error reports now. All I did was literally click settings/tools in the panel on the right and it fc. Then I sent a text to myself (which worked) but when I went to open the conversation it fc again.

btw the phone i have is actually r800at, i changed build.prop for certain reasons.
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
have you submitted it ? and did you put a description in there ? cheers
[Android Apps and Games] korrectmethod:
I have submitted it, and left a description of what I did when it happened. And for me it is 100% replicable. I can screen record and pm you if you need.
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Ok well as far as I can tell, my app thinks your on an android version that is above HONEYCOMB... but the version of android that your running does not have a static reference to a view configuration return that I require to setup options, specifically "hasPermanentMenuKey()"

So when you say the ROM is based on stock, what exact version ? cause it would appear that "it" does not know what it is, or "it" has various things missing..

Edit: btw you dont need to do a video, but thanks for offer :) Also does that device "have" a dedicated menu key?
[Android Apps and Games] korrectmethod:
yes it does have a permanent physical menu key, along with a back button, home button, and search button.

this is the rom i am using.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1631144
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
why does the rom say JellyBean and the reported version is GingerBread MR2 ? as in the screenshot 2.3.x ?
[Android Apps and Games] korrectmethod:
Its gingerbread 2.3.7 just modified to look like jellybean.
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
I think this is where your problem is, android is reporting that is is above Honeycomb in the version calls, but it's clear it is not, so when my app thinks there are functions and methods that it can call (from lets say ICS or JB) and calls them, thats when the FC happens!
[Android Apps and Games] korrectmethod:
Is there anything you recommend I try to fix it? The rom is 100% stable, I've never had any problems like this regarding compatibility because of false android version report.

I think its your app messing up somewhere trying to figure out what version of android I'm running. Its pretty clear cut its 2.3.7. Regardless of themed rom it shouldn't confuse between gb and jb.
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
well if the rom reported a proper version, that represents whats available, then there would be no issue... tell you what... I will "hack" (temporary) the next release of SM to work, I will also add information to the Settings > about part of the app to show "reported" version info.... screen shot that for me and post back here....

next release maybe as soon as an hour (plus the amount of time play store takes to dist. it) or could be tomorrow, depends how much work I get done in next hour or two :)
[Android Apps and Games] korrectmethod:
If I sent you my build.prop could you find the issue?
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Sorry no, for 4 reasons :

1. too busy

2. not sure it's a build.prop issue

3. not into fixing issues with roms :)

4. I thought I'm being extra nice already hacking the next build of my app so you can find out what version is being reported!!
[Android Apps and Games] korrectmethod:
You are being helpful, but I figured that's what this beta is about. I can probably find out what version it reports on my own so don't worry about it. Thanks :)
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
well I think that problem is ROM based, if it were a problem with my app, sure... all over it... even for a single user, but not sure making changes to my app code to cope with a problem in a ROM is a good idea...

Really you want to know what :

android.Build.VERSION.SDK_INT value is, thats the biggy that I think is the prob..

my guess is that the rom is reporting a wrong version number... may not be that... but that would be a starting point
[Android Apps and Games] korrectmethod:
Maybe its referring to the Linux kernel version instead of my actual android version. Ill try to fix it myself on the rom so don't waste any time fixing this in the app.
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
well either way, made changes to my app to, skirt round the issue and also has reported version info in about box.... next release
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
New Version 0.01.08b on play

Changes'ish

bugs fixed / more added

layout adjustments

pager caching to speed up swipe pages in settings (any anywhere else I decide to use them)

notification dismissal on popups / app events

SMS send controls for split and prefix postfix adjustments

More things that I just can't remember
[Android Apps and Games] white.noise:
What about an iOS 7 styled theme?
[Android Apps and Games] thyttel:
Judas!!! :D

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[Android Apps and Games] mnhs1010:
plz add password protection to private box as I dnt want to use go sms pro thats sucks only using for its private box privacy....
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
password + hidden + encrypted coming shortly in a future release ;) and I thought "go sms pro" was really good ?
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
I can easy duplicate and convert the base light to ios 7... so maybe :) when the core is done, I will concentrate on the things that make it look and feel good, visuals and animations... but need all this core stuff done

tbh I think I want to add:

ICS/JB standard theme (make it look stock)

iOS 7

and some random glass theme thats translucent :)
[Android Apps and Games] white.noise:
That sounds good:) I really like translucent themes and such (I'm using dusk right now because the way the bubbles look) also I love the circular profile pics!
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
well you will "eventually" have full control over everything in a theme and ability to create your own, everything from how buttons look to shadowing and highlights and.. well... everything that I use currently :)
[Android Apps and Games] thyttel:
Sooooooooo.......... One thing came to mind when updating latest beta. Asking for permission to send mms :)

Something I missed? ;)

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[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
nope, just that it's there for testing... :)
[Android Apps and Games] thyttel:
Damn Damn Damn.

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[Android Apps and Games] white.noise:
hey do think you could add other notification icon options? (I really like the stock smiley face one) also, do you know why notifications dont work with activedisplay?
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Eventually I can, but I want to dull down my efforts on the cosmetics for now, concentrate on bug fixing, finishing core features.... and activenotification... cause it's and unrelated app ? SmartMessenger knows nothing about 3rd party apps
[Android Apps and Games] white.noise:
Ok cool, thanks for the replies! You have been very helpful
[Android Apps and Games] mnhs1010:
go sms pro is becoming a crap app, updating weakly but old style...

I wish these all features come soon... Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
tbh they were the primary features I created SmartMessenger for!! lol I wanted the tagline "The most secure SMS app there is" so it's still very much my focus :)
[Android Apps and Games] :
Thanks deanwray for the recent update! Now compose SMS is just(and always) one click away! Way to go :D

one small suggestion (just minor improvement if it's there ;))

When composing new SMS, 'To' and 'Message' empty, I click Send (arrow), there will be two warning messages:

1) Required fields missing

2) Validation of data error <--- not needed

I mean it could be improved in this way:

if (data is missing)

then echo "Required field missing"

elseif (data is not missing && data is invalid)

then echo "Validation data error"

Anyway just a small thing but I hope errors are made in this way so it's kinda 'more' intelligent ;)

Additional request

Since I'm at this post, Can I also request SmartMessaging to be prepared for "Missed It!" app or other similar notification app, as they can track 3rd party app notification count, however SmartMessaging is not ready for it yet. I believe it has something to do with the App Naming and the Notification label must be of same name, for them to be grep.

Thanks! :)

Edit: As a side note, yeah I used to have GoSMS but have uninstalled it and made Smart Messaging my main Messaging app now :) Happy user here!
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Actually it's supposed to go one better by adding the 2 warning into 1 dialog cause the operation is/has the same id... so thats a bug I will have to look into.

tbh, there are loads of 3rd party apps that I get pm's to integrate with, there is just me doing this app, and I'm sure I could use all my time just doing those integration requests. I have no problems doing requests for core functionality, but at this time I'm not really willing to look up on how to make SM work with loads of other "different" 3rd party apps. Not to say that if it were A) easy and simple and optional and B) I didn't have to search for info ...that I wouldn't include it in a build ;)

Haha cheers, I think there is a line I need to stay below with SM, thats make it just advanced enough to be good sms app, and make it pretty enough and themeable enough to be the most beautiful, but in all of this, not bloat it beyond what it's supposed to do, and always make it the shortest and simplest path for a user to do anything ... these are tall orders when people want/expect features... I think thats the prob with chomp / go / sliding and all these bigger apps, I just "need" to be simpler :)
[Android Apps and Games] happiboi:
Hmmm... updated to to latest version but when trying to send an sms, it crashed. Now it won't start... each time I try to launch it just crashes :(

Edit: can still receive messages, and go into view them by clicking the notification but can not launch app by itself :(
[Android Apps and Games] nitramcek:
If I setup to process and block, then my notification led don't work.

I'm on CyanogenMod 10.2 with Samsung S4

So I gotta have process and pass thru but don't like it because my main SMS show up too in notification . So gotta swipe to delete that even when I read SMS with your app.

Other than that it works great so far.
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Use process and pass through.. But turn of notifications in sm, in settings > Processing
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
And have u pressed report?
[Android Apps and Games] happiboi:
I have now..
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Please note

OK time for a bit of a change, SM will now be changing package name for many reasons. In the re-birth it will also have better built-in FC/ANR reporting

PLEASE NOTE:

SmartMessenger may disappear from your device, don't be alarmed, just there will be no new version on the current package name. For many reasons I'm changing the package name and also introducing better reporting (finding it hard to implement fixes or even tell whats wrong with the google ones)

So please be patient, and thanks to everyone so far for testing :)

I will also be doing a user cull, and limiting this group to maybe 300 active members, maybe less. As far as I can tell, out of 836 there are only about 300 installs. But many of those users are just "users" who want to try it... and since it's not really ready yet, it's not the best idea ;)
[Android Apps and Games] Thomas_BA:
Well just updated and so far so good. Love the design and the possibilities it gives like rules, folders, etc. Brilliant.

Can not participate a lot in testing, as here in Argentine the whole world is using WhatsApp. Sending some self messages and from the Internet to me ;) So, getting and sending only a view amount of SMS. Also SMS/MMS are more than expensive here. But when i am back in my home town in Germany i will start messaging ;)

By the way did you think there will be a work around for the missing compatibility with launcher badge notifications?
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Yes, ish/maybe... thats why I re-designed the logo of SmartMessenger to be either 4 or 6 quadrants, for that very purpose :)
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
there will be no doubt, but this is not an app for release or standard use yet!
[Android Apps and Games] nitramcek:
OK got it. But it will be solved when it's out of beta?
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
well, when it's added as a feature, it will also be controllable per individual via rules... so yes :)
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Please note

Not accepting any more beta testers for a few days...stay tuned for updates
[Android Apps and Games] :
Hmm..today I installed Emu Messenger just to test it out, and surprisingly found out the sms messages that I have deleted with SM are still available ie. not yet removed from the sms db.

That is one glitch to be looked into ;)
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Emu Messenger ?

AFAIK there are no bugs reported by anyone with deletion
[Android Apps and Games] :
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2407845
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
thats not a glitch at all, SmartMessenger is not a stock sms addon, it is built to replace the stock sms apps... so no, it wont touch the stock sms db at all!
[Android Apps and Games] happiboi:
Installed the new version (diff package name one) so far the FC have disappeared :thumbup: :D sending and receiving ok

Side note/request: with the dialog boxes that pop up, is it possible to make the whole bar where the "tick" is act like the tick instead of having to press exactly on the tick? My hand-eye coordination sometimes not that great and would help out greatly :)
[Android Apps and Games] korrectmethod:
Possible to get the link to the play store for existing beta users? I uninstalled earlier hoping reinstall might fix issues, came back and no link. Sorry.
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
Tick?
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
G+ has updated a link and info
[Android Apps and Games] happiboi:
that... can it be the full bar instead of just the actual tick that confirms that dialog box?
[Android Apps and Games] Faaipke:
How would I get access to new version. Cannot find link.on G+

Tnx
[Android Apps and Games] happiboi:
Receiving sms crashed the app... sent report
[Android Apps and Games] AlkaDragos:
[MENTION=293916]deanwray[/MENTION] - I'm back after some versions and 'a long' period of testing. The progress of this app it's awesome and new features are really making this app "Smart" and unique. Always following G+ and this thread :)

However i have few things to report / suggest ?

-When long-pressing a conversation and press "Move To" the popup menu items don't have any text ( if i turn the phone in landscape, it does show the text but shifted to the right, bad align? ), also this problem it's present in "Filters / Rules" for "Vibration Type" menu. (See image below)

-Sent notification should be changed to "Delivered Notification" because if i send a message that is 3 messages long ( 3 x 160 chars ) i will hear the notification 3 times plus when the message was delivered. What i want to say is to remove the notification from "Sent" state and only leave it for "Delivered", that was the purpose of it when i've requested it :p

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
open the group with your browser...then in the about box are 3 links, 1 to the play store
[Android Apps and Games] deanwray:
ahaaa, now I get it :) and yes...changed just now... next release if there is ever a single button info dialog, the button is the length of the dialog ;)