yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] axereaction:
well, apparently this upgrade is going great, but in my case there is a high usage of RAM, I have between 90 and 60 free RAM, only whatsapp in use, would have to improve a bit more I think multitasking. Do not know if it's just me or someone else has the same problem. Jelly Bean is that there is a greater use of RAM but a solution to free up some RAM. With 10.1 CM had between 140 and 170 free with Whatsapp, Facebook, Google + Hangouts.

Thanks for the great work :good: :good:

'll keep trying a few more days while stabilizing the ROM
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] DanielMalmgren:
It's a known bug, there is a fix here.

/Daniel
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] hartmark:
thanks, what was falling in the new code?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] DanielMalmgren:
No idea, I just noticed there was a fix ;)

/Daniel
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] dsgamer1224:
Great rom, very smooth. Great to see 4.3 on the Ray. Only issues I've encountered:

- Heavy battery drain. 50% loss overnight in standby. Do I have to calibrate the battery perhaps? I have no google stuff installed, only whatsapp. wifi, data, gps etc turned off, wifi sleep set to never.

- fn button closes settings. saw there is a fix already, however might be nice if it works out-of-the-box.

- gesture typing not working. I see the trail but no words :(. Don;t know if this is rom-related.

- Audio stuttering when listening to tracks in Apollo

thx for great rom.

Update: added bug
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] cooldude9119:
Camera app dosent work for me freezes after taking a shot, i even tried camera 360 app it says couldn't connect to camera what to do?? I'm running the latest c.m build.

i've attached my log file taken from loggy, hope it helps to solve the problem
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] cooldude9119:
Edit: Rebooted my device and the problem is now fixed, sry :P
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] acchi3:
Sir can u upload that fix to another link please :(

Or anybody can help? :crying:

I do not know why my service provider has blocked it.

[/URL][/IMG]
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] rob rich:
[MENTION=4175342]acchi3[/MENTION]

pm sent ;)
[Android Apps and Games] klinkdawg:
​

PLEASE NOTE: This app will only function correctly on ROMs with Halo functionality, such as Paranoid Android. If you aren't on one of those ROMs, all this app will do is automatically launch the app you just got a notification for.

HaloPop allows you to automatically turn any app that you want into a popup when you receive a notification! It does this by listening for new notifications, and when one comes through for an app that you have enabled to run automatically as a popup, it shows that app as a popup over all other running apps, just like when you like on the Halo icon to launch it.

Works great for apps that don't have popups, such as Google Hangouts, or any other type of app where you don't want to use the included popup and would rather use the full app scaled down in the middle of the screen. Any app that give you a notification is supported!

Set up:

1) Install and launch the app

2) Enable the notification listener service when prompted... you have to do this or else the app WILL NOT FUNCTION

3) Push the + button on the top right of the screen and select all the apps you want to popup automatically

4) Enjoy :)

Some great apps to use this with:

- Sliding Messaging Pro

- Google Hangouts

- GoSMS

- Handcent

- GMail

- And basically anything else!

HUGE thanks to all of the guys working on Paranoid Android, without them none of this is possible!

Play Store

Source Code

​
[Android Apps and Games] SavedByGrace:
Google Play says incompatible

Does this work with Nexus S? Or is it just Google play saying it doesn't?
[Android Apps and Games] klinkdawg:
Android 4.3+, so I'm guessing you dont have that...
[Android Apps and Games] kyokeun1234:
Hey thanks for the app. Does this halo enabled? Just curious. Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] t0kgrumps:
If only this app works on cm10.2. pa android 4.3 is very rare around xda now and some devices still have problems getting android 4.3
[Android Apps and Games] SavedByGrace:
Ah...Makes sense haha. Darn. Could it be done for 4.2.2+? Or is the framework different? Anyways, I hope to be able to try it out soon =] Looks very handy.
[Android Apps and Games] klinkdawg:
The app uses the new notification listener apis, making it 4.3 only. I'm hoping lots of people get the update soon :) PA 4.3 is awesome!
[Android Apps and Games] ventomarme:
This app brings Facebook chathead popup to all other app on Paranoid Android rom. Great! Hope one day it can keep cache on background memory so user can continue what he is doing with that app on floating window (currently, when the floating window disappear, the app is killed).
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] talha746:
hey so i just got my nexus 7 2nd gen and it is somehow lightleeding red?? Anyways i attached some pics, should i return it? It only happens when the screen is black
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Shadowguy:
Nah just let it be.....even if it starts to talk or do jumping jacks.

We must learn to let our tablets be themselves. If it wants to bleed red light dont judge it embrace it and support it.

If it wants to randomly shut off and crack its own screen let it be.

Off course return it lol!!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] talha746:
lol yeah i guess i should but some reported the next one they got was even worse lol. Also i bought from ncix, anyone know if they would take returns from light bleeding?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Richieboy67:
Just curious, can you show a picture of the normal screen not black but with something displaying?

Is the brightness all the way up?

Is it red looking just from the side? How does it look when using normally? I would return it if it looks messed up under normal use.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] talha746:
Well i think im not gonna return it. Only can be seen on the side and only when its a black screen. After using it for today i did not notice at all when using it. Probably wont be staring at a black screen a lot so i think i should be okay.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Richieboy67:
That's good news. I'm glad it will be ok for you.

I've never tested mine for lightbleed. :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eirik78:
With the use of the original charger and cable, my phone charged at 1900mAh when new.

After updating to XXUBMF5 the current widget only reports 1200mAh, but mostly drops to 1100mAh.

Any knowledge of info or fix on this issue?
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AvelonTs:
I saw somewhere that in the later updates the phone charging at lower mAh when screen is on so the phone doesn't overheat to much while charging ...
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andymihail:
Samsung made this change. You'll have 1900mAh charging when you don't touch your phone while charging and 1200 when you're using it while charging. It's a feature.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eirik78:
Thanks for your replies!

Any way to undo this? My phone has never become hot from charging.

A lot more heat is generated with mobile data enabled and phone is in my pocket....
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mezuera:
Can anyone provide me with the stock MMS.apk from the I9505G? This is my first phone that I'm actually keeping stock as opposed to just flashing a rom and had no idea that it would prevent the OTA from working so I didn't back it up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] goddi2010:
Anyone playing the power ball tonight?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] KennyG123:
This belongs in Off-topic thread
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omgwtfitsp:
Hi guys, I hope this section is the right one for my kind of question, this would be all hardware issues mostly.

I just replaced a screen for the samsung galaxy s2 GT-I9100M, screen is looking good, everything works fine, however, since I did a screen swap from another phone, I did not have any of the double sided glue to, I guess, hold it in place. As of now, my screen is slowly popping out from one corner ever so slightly that I can see light bleeding through the gap it makes with the frame. I just want to confirm is this is only due to just me not having double sided glue alone the back that the screen is placed on. I ordered some d.s tape as I thought it would help me, should be coming later.

Secondly, I noticed that just sometimes the screen wouldn't be as responsive, sometimes touches won't register unless I press just a bit. Would this be because the top glass is a little loose? (due to no tape?). I was wondering if someone can explain to me how the touch inputs actually works. Do you only need to the glass or does the glass have to be close to the LCD for it to register as a touch input. Because if that's the case, then I suppose having the d.s tape can solve all my problems.

Any advice or suggestions will be appreciated! Thanks a lot. I'm repairing a phone for a friend and its a surprise. : )
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sintoo:
Hello,

I'd like to record something but don't like Bluetooth microphone, nor do I like the tiny built-in phone's microphone.

Can I use (read: buy) a 3.5mm Corded microphone with the Atrix ?

In other words, when you bought new, does Atrix have a Corded headsets (mith microphone) ?

Easy way to check is: the plug has 4 terminals.

Thank you. It would be great if you happen to have tried with success.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ravilov:
Yes, this should work. I didn't get a headset with mine (I got it used), but I'm using a standard Blackberry headset with 4 terminals and it's working great.

However, I don't think the microphone built into those headsets is any bigger or better than the phone's built-in one(s)...
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] mikeioannina:
This is still unofficial. This thread is intended for devs & advanced users only.

Guide how I build CM10.2 for my smultron.

For the first time you try to build CM10.2

Follow this guide up to "Initialize the CyanogenMod source repository" step (don't execute this step).

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Build_for_smultron

Download & install lzop compression tool

sudo apt-get install lzop

Initialize the CyanogenMod source repository

Enter the following to initialize the repository:

cd ~/android/system/
repo init -u git://github.com/CyanogenMod/android.git -b cm-10.2

Get the required local manifest

mkdir -p ~/android/system/.repo/local_manifests
curl https://raw.github.com/LegacyXperia/local_manifests/cm-10.2/semc.xml > ~/android/system/.repo/local_manifests/semc.xml

Download the source code

repo sync

Download some commits from CyanogenMod gerrit which are not accepted yet

curl https://raw.github.com/LegacyXperia/local_manifests/cm-10.2/updates.sh > ~/android/system/updates.sh
chmod a+x updates.sh
./updates.sh

Get the prebuilts

cd ~/android/system/vendor/cm
./get-prebuilts

Setup the environment & prepare the device-specific code.

cd ~/android/system
. build/envsetup.sh
breakfast smultron

Build the ROM (takes long time)

brunch smultron

If the build finishes successfully, you will find the build here (change DATE into the date):

~/android/system/out/target/product/smultron/cm-10.2-DATE-UNOFFICIAL-smultron.zip

The next times you want to build, you only need to do the following:

Sync the repositories & make sure you are using the latest local_manifest.

cd ~/android/system/
curl https://raw.github.com/LegacyXperia/local_manifests/cm-10.2/semc.xml > ~/android/system/.repo/local_manifests/semc.xml
repo sync

Download some commits from CyanogenMod gerrit which are not accepted yet

curl https://raw.github.com/LegacyXperia/local_manifests/cm-10.2/updates.sh > ~/android/system/updates.sh
chmod a+x updates.sh
./updates.sh

Setup the environment

. build/envsetup.sh

Build the ROM

brunch smultron

If the build finishes successfully, you will find the build here (change DATE into the date):

~/android/system/out/target/product/smultron/cm-10.2-DATE-UNOFFICIAL-smultron.zip

Steps to build only the kernel:

Sync the repositories.

cd ~/android/system/
repo sync

Setup the environment

. build/envsetup.sh

Build the kernel

breakfast smultron
make -j4 bootimage

If the build finishes successfully, you will find the boot image here:

~/android/system/out/target/product/smultron/boot.img

Credits: Thanks to hnl_dk for the initial CM9 & CM10 guides.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] improvisee:
Mike you are the F**kin BOSS ... You work is amazing, keep it up bro

Bless :)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] hurriX8:
Nice guide :angel:

can i run the code level on windows??if can how? or must only ubuntu? :confused:

hope ur advice :)

edit.

have done with virtual machine http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/virtualbox
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] salsreloded:
U can create a linux environment using cygwin but to get full functionality is not possible....

U can use any linux with windows already installed....

try mint if u r a beginner i think its way polished than ubuntu...
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] hurriX8:
using cygwin is not fully perfect..

I mean if possible to fully functionaly such as terminal emulator in linux but run in windows OS?

I hate installed 2 OS.

i'm not install linux OS while i've windows installed.

1 OS is quick better

Anyway, thanks for your advice :good:
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] PopoFibo:
Awesome!

This is awesome!
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] salsreloded:
No its not at all possible in windows to run terminal emulator.....

but u can use liveusb for linux without installing it...

u can also use damm small linux(just 45 mb) will not disturb ur linux...

u can also install linux inside a windows partition...

and last u can also use virtualbox....

thats all the solution out there...
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] kovacslaszlo13:
I don't get device tree :(

I try build on buildbox by goo.im
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] pan_pietrek:
Thanks for the tutorial, Mike.

I've got two quick questions: How much HDD space does it take to compile a release (I've read it may go up to 12 gigs)?

How long does it take to finish a build on your PC, are you using anything to make it faster - like say, ccache?

I'm asking it, because my PC is a quite old C2D with 4GB of RAM, so I just don't want to bother myself if it won't be worth the time.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] avinashrocks1990:
use vmware player or virtual box to create a linux virtual machine

that's the best solution
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] amishxda:
I have same question. I too have Core 2 Duo and 4GB RAM and just about 15GB freespace.

Is it sufficient?

My internet speed is also very slow. Just about 512kbps.

I want to try android development as a hobby only so I do not want to spend a lot of time in that. (Also I can not spend lot of time due to other work)

PS: I am experienced Linux developer.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] ha.meier:
Thank you mike for the great tutorial.

You could include the "Install the repo command" section of the cyanogenmod guide, otherwise everything worked for me on Linux. It was my first Android ROM i've ever built on my computer.

Maybe you could mention that repo sync will take some hours when it is run for the first time.

CM10.2 works well so far. SU did not work (or maybe I did something wrong).

Thanks a lot!
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Haspar:
tnx

i always say nice work your thw boos i love your work
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Langes:
You should have about 24gig of storage before you start this tutorial. Initial sync would use between 7 and 14 gig, for your builds you would need another 10

Sent from my Xperia Ray
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] n1kolaa:
using mint mate 15

n1kolaa@n1kolaa-ASUS-DEKSTOP ~ $ cd ~/Downloads
n1kolaa@n1kolaa-ASUS-DEKSTOP ~/Downloads $ svn checkout -r 91 http://lz4.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ lz4
Checked out revision 91.
n1kolaa@n1kolaa-ASUS-DEKSTOP ~/Downloads $ cd lz4 && make && cp lz4demo ~/bin/lz4demo
make: Nothing to be done for `default'.
n1kolaa@n1kolaa-ASUS-DEKSTOP ~/Downloads/lz4 $

---------- Post added at 03:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:23 PM ----------

you need 64 bit system for comiling cm10.2/cm10/cm10.1 :)

n1kolaa-ASUS-DEKSTOP system # curl https://raw.github.com/LegacyXperia/local_manifests/cm-10.2/updates.sh > ~/android/system/updates.sh
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
100 922 100 922 0 0 2400 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 2664
n1kolaa-ASUS-DEKSTOP system # chmod a+x updates.sh
n1kolaa-ASUS-DEKSTOP system # ./updates.sh
From http://review.cyanogenmod.org/CyanogenMod/android_system_core
* branch refs/changes/74/38174/1 -> FETCH_HEAD
error: Your local changes would be overwritten by cherry-pick.
hint: Commit your changes or stash them to proceed.
fatal: cherry-pick failed
From http://review.cyanogenmod.org/CyanogenMod/android_hardware_qcom_audio-caf
* branch refs/changes/84/47484/2 -> FETCH_HEAD
error: Your local changes would be overwritten by cherry-pick.
hint: Commit your changes or stash them to proceed.
fatal: cherry-pick failed
From http://review.cyanogenmod.org/CyanogenMod/android_frameworks_av
* branch refs/changes/95/46495/1 -> FETCH_HEAD
error: Your local changes would be overwritten by cherry-pick.
hint: Commit your changes or stash them to proceed.
fatal: cherry-pick failed
From http://review.cyanogenmod.org/CyanogenMod/android_frameworks_native
* branch refs/changes/59/47259/1 -> FETCH_HEAD
error: Your local changes would be overwritten by cherry-pick.
hint: Commit your changes or stash them to proceed.
fatal: cherry-pick failed
n1kolaa-ASUS-DEKSTOP system #

[MENTION=3839575]mikeioannina[/MENTION] is that corect?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] rebelos:
know using a 64 bit PC

i ve tried to compile kernel only

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rebel/android/system/kernel/semc/msm7x30'
make -C kernel/semc/msm7x30 O=/home/rebel/android/system/out/target/product/mango/obj/KERNEL_OBJ INSTALL_MOD_PATH=../../system ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=" /home/rebel/android/system/prebuilts/gcc/linux-x86/arm/arm-eabi-4.7/bin/arm-eabi-" modules_install
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/rebel/android/system/kernel/semc/msm7x30'
INSTALL drivers/net/wireless/wl12xx/wl12xx.ko
INSTALL drivers/net/wireless/wl12xx/wl12xx_sdio.ko
INSTALL drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko
INSTALL fs/cifs/cifs.ko
INSTALL net/mac80211/mac80211.ko
INSTALL net/wireless/cfg80211.ko
DEPMOD 3.4.56-nAa+
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rebel/android/system/kernel/semc/msm7x30'
mdpath=`find /home/rebel/android/system/out/target/product/mango/system/lib/modules -type f -name modules.order`; if [ "$mdpath" != "" ];then mpath=`dirname $mdpath`; ko=`find $mpath/kernel -type f -name *.ko`; for i in $ko; do /home/rebel/android/system/prebuilts/gcc/linux-x86/arm/arm-eabi-4.7/bin/arm-eabi-strip --strip-unneeded $i; mv $i /home/rebel/android/system/out/target/product/mango/system/lib/modules/; done; fi
mdpath=`find /home/rebel/android/system/out/target/product/mango/system/lib/modules -type f -name modules.order`; if [ "$mdpath" != "" ];then mpath=`dirname $mdpath`; rm -rf $mpath; fi

after this terminal exited to home

and no boot img there ..
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] kovacslaszlo13:
I have HP Mini 110-3500 with atom and 1GB too

And it's not enough for good compiling :(

I try to use dev server but i think i have to buy better notebook with 8GB and core i3/5 :D
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] n1kolaa:
Errors :(

oduct/anzu/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libvideoeditor_mcs_intermediates/libvideoeditor_mcs.a)
frameworks/av/libvideoeditor/vss/src/M4DECODER_Null.c: In function 'M4DECODER_NULL_setOption':
frameworks/av/libvideoeditor/vss/src/M4DECODER_Null.c:213:49: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size [-Wpointer-to-int-cast]
target StaticLib: libvideoeditor_stagefrightshells (/home/n1kolaa/android/system/out/target/product/anzu/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libvideoeditor_stagefrightshells_intermediates/libvideoeditor_stagefrightshells.a)
target StaticLib: libvideoeditor_3gpwriter (/home/n1kolaa/android/system/out/target/product/anzu/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libvideoeditor_3gpwriter_intermediates/libvideoeditor_3gpwriter.a)
Generating CSSPropertyNames.h <= CSSPropertyNames.in
Generating CSSValueKeywords.h <= CSSValueKeywords.in
perl external/webkit/Source/WebCore/../../../chromium/android/generateAndroidForwardingHeader.pl /home/n1kolaa/android/system/out/target/product/anzu/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/Source/WebCore/third_party/WebKit/WebKit/chromium/public/WebFormControlElement.h "public/WebFormControlElement.h"
perl external/webkit/Source/WebCore/../../../chromium/android/generateAndroidForwardingHeader.pl /home/n1kolaa/android/system/out/target/product/anzu/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/Source/WebCore/third_party/WebKit/WebKit/chromium/public/WebRegularExpression.h "public/WebRegularExpression.h"
sh: 1: sh: 1: gperf: not found
gperf: not found
calling gperf failed: 32512 at makevalues.pl line 137.
calling gperf failed: 32512 at ./makeprop.pl line 140.
make: *** [/home/n1kolaa/android/system/out/target/product/anzu/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/Source/WebCore/css/CSSValueKeywords.h] Error 25
make: *** Deleting file `/home/n1kolaa/android/system/out/target/product/anzu/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/Source/WebCore/css/CSSValueKeywords.h'
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
make: *** [/home/n1kolaa/android/system/out/target/product/anzu/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/Source/WebCore/css/CSSPropertyNames.h] Error 25
make: *** Deleting file `/home/n1kolaa/android/system/out/target/product/anzu/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/Source/WebCore/css/CSSPropertyNames.h'

Mike help!

EDIT: i think i fix it with installing gperf :D
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] :
anyone

which server are u using
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] kv1dr:
My laptop :P I have Intel core 2 duo 2.2 GHz and 4 GB of RAM and It needs only several hours to compile :D

Poslano iz mojega Xperia Mini Pro s pomočjo Tapatalk 4 Beta
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] TheDarkDefender:
Use ccache. I have a machine with a similar config. Takes 70-80 minutes for a build with ccache turned on

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] kv1dr:
How to use it. Is the installation enough or is there any special command to use it :)

Poslano iz mojega Xperia Mini Pro s pomočjo Tapatalk 4 Beta
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] TheDarkDefender:
cd ~/android/system/
source build/envsetup.sh
breakfast haida
export USE_CCACHE=1
prebuilts/misc/linux-x86/ccache/ccache -M 100G
brunch haida
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] hurriX8:
yea you're right. +100 :good:

for first time repo sync, it take a long time hours :eek:

i'm not patient because only saw receiving objects process . . . but there still run well. zz