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[HTC Sensation] Trakkiggio:
Totally agree... I can not afford to change phone, I would, but I can not... so for us poor people, such things are just like the only way to forget to be not able to afford what many people can buy...

For me it mean much... Hope to be able to help developers more with a little donation in the future, but you know... life many times ask you for different priorities...
[HTC Sensation] alireza_simkesh:
Let me go back to my CRT example, when people bought LCDs did they throw out their CRT monitors? which perfectly working? and more than capable of doing all stuff they needed?

The answer is no, in fact i just saw someone who still had one of these a couple of days ago. There are always CRT monitors, only owners will change, which should make no difference to anyone.

But let me ask you this question: What do you thing is the percentage of people who have CRTs? Do you think it is worth developing Full HD CRT monitors for that percentage of people? :)

Let me go back to my example here as well, do you think CRT monitors have dies? No, not even after so many years that we have LCDs.

But again, do you think development of Full HD CRT monitors is worth it?

//

All i am trying to say (which is very simple) is that time is a dimension and does matter. We can ignore people, but we can never ignore time.
[HTC Sensation] topjohnwu:
Having new features on the old sensation is awesome! It even feels better than buying a new phone, simply just love the feeling because I'm a super flasholic :)
[HTC Sensation] ivicask:
Man you totally lots your self, you do realize what your saying has nothing to do with common sense?

I would NEVER use CRT monitor EVER, because my head hurts when i watch one more than 5mins, they are big, they heat up, they produce more radiation and so on..

On other hands, there is nothing i cant do on HTC Sensation that i can do on TOP new model HTC ONE!, all extra features like Zoe, HDR Video recording and similar are useless stuff for me, Phone, emails, internet, random other apps, small games, Sensation performs PERFECT!

I would say even camera on Sensation is better on some occasions simple due 8 Megapixels better than 4 (Outdoors during day)

So please stop your CRT comparisons, and whatever your trying to say because it wont change nothing, rom will be released when its fully fixed and finished.
[HTC Sensation] hedifezai:
Good analogy but we can only wait :(

But if you will have a new phone then you will have pleny of roms to flash if not then we will behere killing time till Sense 5 release. :D
[HTC Sensation] KaiJun:
It's not about developing for the majority that still lives with a Sensation, but rather about developing for those living with a Sensation.

You should see them as individuals who will be happy running Sense 5 on their Sensations.

Certainly there will still be people with a Sensation, and they certainly will not be happy if all the developers left and ended support for their phone, which they still use everyday. Try seeing things as a community of little things, not as a whole.

My point is, its not about how worthy it is making this ROM, but rather about how the individual owners of a Sensation will feel getting this ROM.

I hope you understand
[HTC Sensation] alireza_simkesh:
Everything u said is personal man.

The fact that your head hurts after 5 mins (ppl have been using them for many years...), the fact that u dont use Zoe, HDR video recording and any other new features.

With all due respect, this has nothing to do with what i am saying. If it has, then i can find N+1 people who love those features that you hate. So we can see that all you said is personal.

What i am saying, though, is history which is proven.

What i am saying is that if there was Anroid 4.2 for Nokia 1100, would you have still kept and used your Nokia 1100?

I see where you are coming from, but i can assure you that those people who own CRT monitors would also be very happy to have Full HD and 3D view support on their monitors, wouldn't they?:)
[HTC Sensation] KaiJun:
Well, if my Nokia 1100 would run Android 4.2, it will surely be interesting enough for me to keep for another 10 years, considering having to navigate with hard buttons and no touchscreen.

And yah, of course owners of CRT monitors would be very happy to have Full HD and 3D view support on their monitors. Not everyone has FHD + 3D with their LCD, you know? FHD + 3D CRT would be better than a standard 2D WXGA / SXGA screen.

I don't really understand why you are opposing the idea of Sense 5 on Sensation. If the Team did listen to you and decided not to release it for everyone, nothing stops them from developing it for themselves, but that means only the Team gets to enjoy it. Why would you want to prevent the Sensation community from getting Sense 5? Why do you prefer only a small group of people having it, than to have everyone access to the features and special qualities of Sense 5, and Venom apps?
[HTC Sensation] alireza_simkesh:
No i am not opposing the idea, why would i?

I am saying that time is our enemy. We have to hurry. Very simple. No opposition or anything like that. I would also be happy if i get the update on time.
[HTC Sensation] dinamito:
Alireza, would you please just shut it already ? Your logic and analogies are, well, out of place and without a trace of thought, and what are you trying to do - say "hurry up" to the devs ? Why? Are you paying them or something ? If you dont want to wait, go out of this forum and buy another phone. And so you know, there are a lot of people here who love their Sensation and would keep it as long as it is ticking
[HTC Sensation] pera987:
Fight, fight lol
[HTC Sensation] ivicask:
Man i used CRT for 10+ years, all of us did, and Croatia is not some rich country, but yet i see maybe only 1-2 CRT monitors per year at my costumers(alot of them), im Computer technician and i do field work, and when i sit on such old PC or Server which has CRT, and im not talking about good new generations CRTs, but old flickering ones, and i need to stare in it for 2-3 hours while i programming something and reading text, belive me, your eyes starts hurt...

And again i dont understand all this discussion you started with this weird comparisons... Get a new phone man, HTC ONE is amazing phone, and you can install latest Viper rom running Sense 5, and sell your Sensation to someone who will appreciate it and will be patient to wait for Sense 5 :)
[HTC Sensation] atrako1973:
Well said nobody could have said it better in a very nice friendly way :)
[HTC Sensation] Trakkiggio:
HTC Sensation still the last HTC Top phone with removable battery and sd card.... that matter.... if someone it's a flasholic, should know that battery will lose capacity during just the first year of intense use (around 30%) .... and save alla data in external memory has no price in help who often change ROM.... so our Sensation in that way still the winner... these two missing feature may create many problems in deciding to switch to a new htc phone .. in that way has absolutely no sense comparing something revolutionary just like a switch from CRT to LCD and two phones that in fact are just simply upgrades..

anyway... today CRT monitors still used only for one thing: 0 ms delay (never reached by any kind of LCD monitor)
[HTC Sensation] kaanozbek:
HTC HD2 Leo King for flashacolics

HTC Sensation (XE) Prince for flashacolics :good:
[HTC Sensation] Trakkiggio:
Agree :D nothing beats HD 2 :D
[HTC Sensation] Nick N:
Try using Gingerbread on G1 (Dream). :banghead: I really wanted to use it as my daily phone but it is so slow, even with lots of tweaks.

Using Viper 3.1.2 on the Sensation is night and day difference! Can't wait for Sense 5, I was left with 3.0 back in my Evo days.
[HTC Sensation] daheufster:
I totaly agree. That's why i still got my HD2 and from time to time play with it (running WP7.8 )...
[HTC Sensation] tichyline:
Thank You Ivica and all Team members for hard work bringing Sense5 to our Sensation!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me and lot of People use Sensation bacuse very good hardware base compared to new models for flashing newer OS... And working flawless because team Venom :)
[HTC Sensation] alireza_simkesh:
I honestly don't know why what i am saying is so hard to understand:)

I am not paying anyone, i do appreciate hard work as much as anyone else, i do want my sensation to have sense 5, i will keep my sensation, i never ever ever ever ask devs to stop working on sensation (or any other phones), I love Andoird 4.2, i breath, i have 2 legs, I never tell anyone to shut up only because of opposing ideas, i never kill people for opposing ideas, etc.

Why would i not want Sense 5 on Sensatoin? Why would any random, hostile person not want Sense 5 on Sensation? So we are on the same boat here and what you are saying are obvious facts.

Why is it so difficult to understand what i am trying to say? All i am saying is that time is a factor in the equation. It has always been and it will always be.

If anyone thinks time is not a factor and a JB ROM today would mean exactly the same as JB ROM in 10 years from now, then alright. That is fine. I am not trying to persuade anyone or change anyone's opinion.

(But i do have the ability to live in peace with people who have opinions other than mine, without insulting them.)
[HTC Sensation] ivicask:
[MENTION=257830]alireza_simkesh[/MENTION] yes time is factor, and we need 2 months to finish it, because m0narX doesnt take XDA as JOB, just a hobby which he does when he feels like, i cant do absolutely now than also wait for him..
[HTC Sensation] alireza_simkesh:
I know. This is understandable and we are not trying to push anyone or force devs to work faster.
[HTC Sensation] ashkan-khatar:
My countryman; let me say something else...

[MENTION=257830]alireza_simkesh[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1792279]ivicask[/MENTION]; you guys didn't mention an important factor; honestly I say, money.

None of you considered whether someone can afford a new device or not. There definitely are some users including myself who do like and crave for a brand new HTC One, but financial support does not let us have it even tasted. Therefore, like it or not, we HAVE TO stick with Senny. :) a new life could be great. It's really good that some users like [MENTION=1792279]ivicask[/MENTION] are keeping some oldish devices ALIVE and WORKING for this kind of users. Sometimes people CANNOT keep up with the pace of technology advancement. So, just knowing that a brand new monitor has been given out which has 1x10^n:1 contrast ratio and is 100 inches wide with 2160p UltraHD quality showing 3D can't be a reason to put my current one away, because I can't have it, at least now. I myself have worked only ONCE so far with a Sense 5 ROM, then how shall I ask to have this thing sold and get a new One or whatever?

What you, [MENTION=257830]alireza_simkesh[/MENTION] say is right in my opinion, but not for everybody, it surely is compatible with not all of the Senny users.

We appreciate and respect your works devs, keep it up. :)

Did you know that HTC Sensation was the one capable of running HTC Sense 3.0, 3.5, 3.6, 4.0, 4.1, 4+, and 5 even though official support was stopped at 3.6?
[HTC Sensation] elvisypi:
It's completely understandable. But maybe you could release the ROM stock as it is, or at least give to all the opportunity to test sense 5. This is a bit frustrating for us because we know the ROM is nearly completely working, but we can't use it. Can Team Venom make an exception and give everyone the opportunity to test the ROM.

I'm extremely thankful to you guys for everything you do for us. Please ignore my post if you think it's inappropriate.
[HTC Sensation] humzaahmed155:
Thing is, the HTC Sensation is still a relatively powerful piece of hardware, putting Sense 5 on hardware like this isn't a set back in anyway, in fact I'm sure it'll improve performance in comparison to sense 4+. And remember, no device is considered "old" on XDA ;)
[HTC Sensation] nikola016:
I would like that too, but ivica said couple times that that is not gonna happen.... :(

I think that that is good idea too, we all can live month-2 without tweaks, and if tweaks is only stuff left to do than it's only decision of team Venom.
[HTC Sensation] atrako1973:
I have never witnessed users bully devs ,this is the first , if this doesn't stop ,you know what's coming ...

**** bullies
[HTC Sensation] Bornin:
Can we please go back to eta requests? :eek:
[HTC Sensation] vinit91:
Reading that how awesome this ROM is going to be..slowly getting out of patience :P
[HTC Sensation] sarmadraheel:
We all knw time is a factor.............. The dev have a life too they r doing all they can to get the rom ready.......... If they didnt had announced sense 5 and just released it when it was ready or just kept it to themself then wat could u have done?? We r very lucky that we will even get a sense 5 rom....... If u r so eager for sense 5 u can go ask htc because they made ur fone or make it ur self no one is stopping u. Rom will come when its ready that is simple fact we need to accept. :)
[HTC Sensation] ziaulh.ch:
First, The ROM is not nearly completely working, It is COMPLETELY working! Second, Venom will never release a rom without tweaks. We also requested IVICA but this is what he told us,"Then there shall be two roms to fix bugs and maintain, which is a pain in ass"

So you guys may understand why Venom will not release a stock rom!! Although its worth using a Stock one!

If this is so, I will stop taunting you guys. Sorry if it made anything worse! We were just giving you hopes for this poor and old device. But you gotta have patience and give venom time that they need. I am sure this time, we are trying to make a clean rom thread with sense5 unlike previous rom thread giving tons of bloody stupid bugs related posts. The more time we take the less hidden bugs there shall be. And btw HTC Sensation is NOT a powerful device. It has bloody worse ram and a ****ed up GPU which even cant compete with the same line of product. Its a ****ty phone at its class apart from the look and Sense UI So please!

Thank you
[HTC Sensation] hedifezai:
For the guys who are as impatient as me for getting sense5, do like me, Flash all ROMs in xda now because when sense 5 will be released all flashohoolics will be cured. So profit since we have time :D

_ Hit thanks if it was useful. Sent from my HTC Sensation XE _
[HTC Sensation] jorra:
lol

yes please, can just everyone shut up. You sound like kids that try to convince your mom that candy is good for you and that you need it to survive. Its a bit funny but it's still BS.

Sent from my HTC Sensation with Tapatalk 2
[HTC Sensation] hedifezai:
Everyone beginning by you? :D

_ Hit thanks if it was useful. Sent from my HTC Sensation XE _
[HTC Sensation] jorra:
I'm different, I actually need candy to survive! :cyclops:
[HTC Sensation] ziaulh.ch:
+1! :D

---------- Post added at 02:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:35 PM ----------

Device: HTC Sensation XE (MSM8660)

ROM: Depends which day it is...

FW: 3.33

If this is your sig then follow heid's advice and flash all rom possible because once you get into sense 5 you cant get out! :P
[HTC Sensation] jorra:
:D

Sent from my HTC Sensation with Tapatalk 2
[HTC Sensation] boleguc:
Yeah, but a solution to that would be to release the rom now, as it is, and later replace it with the one containing tweaks... :P basically, it would be the same rom... everybody could use that rom for the following couple of months, the devs would be calm, there would be no harrasing and annoying and everyone is happy, happy, happy... :D Did I mention happy? :D
[HTC Sensation] rzr86:
if they release the rom now no one will be calm

once the rom wiil be released at the same time the bug reports will be started

so in my opinion no one will be calm:)
[HTC Sensation] boleguc:
Alas... A solution to that, there is, my young padawan.

Make a thread, post the rom, write: NO BUG REPORTING and lock the thread.. :D
[HTC Sensation] MrJukeHardbane:
They'll spam other threads then. You can't stop them

Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
[HTC Sensation] rzr86:
probably this one
[HTC Sensation] sn4k3:
Just do an open beta :p

Inviato dal mio HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715e usando Tapatalk 4
[HTC Sensation] atrako1973:
May be you should respect people and don't tell them what to do ,what's wrong with a little information ? Im sure if he wasn't allowed to speak , he wouldn't .
[HTC Sensation] DesertHawk:
Me? This is my own ROM... Not Team Venoms.
[HTC Sensation] pera987:
People, stop arguing, everything is good...;)
[HTC Sensation] ivicask:
Erm..i gave u this rom for personal use and if u can help with fixing stuff and i asked u not to leak stuff, whats all this about now?

And what do you mean your rom?
[HTC Sensation] DesertHawk:
Erm.. This isn't that version. I just did a port of CharmanDroid/DarkSense from the One S. I am sharing my own work. In fact I haven't shared anything but a screenshot.

I have a working camera I need to send you but its on my home PC and I'm abroad. Panorama works and so does AF
[HTC Sensation] usaff22:
In other words you took Ivicasks ROM, put a couple of Darksense features and now you're calling it your own??

I find it very hard to believe that what a whole team of developers managed to do in two months you made in a day or two.

I reckon it's a bit of zip devvin'
[HTC Sensation] Harbir:
[MENTION=1792279]ivicask[/MENTION] u gave the great rom to ****ing Idiot ,first he pm's the whole team to leak the Rom(my bad begs for it) and when he claims to fix the Rom and was provided the Rom .he called it his own Rom lol never see such a person(he/she) on xda lol :)

1+
[HTC Sensation] hunt:
Something Really missing here. :p
[HTC Sensation] XeloOw:
Now Shut up Atrako
[HTC Sensation] pera987:
Wow, I'm sure he didn't know the history between venom team and Taylor swift, why are you telling him to shut up, there's no need for that... Me too, I didn't know what Rom he has, or he's developing, so calm down, this is ridiculous...
[HTC Sensation] ivicask:
Dont wanna go into discussions, he asked me for rom, i gave him because he also did alot of work on ONE S port from which this port is partially based off so he can maybe help fixing few stuff.And im thankful for all fixes he done on ONE S port!

I talked to him and all is OK, he cant publish this rom anyways because of libs which fix camera and audio fixes which are Team Venom property.

And for everyone's info when rom gets released, it will be released by ME, and it will be only Sense 5 rom for Sensation!
[HTC Sensation] XeloOw:
So no Tweaks i guess?

Envoyé depuis mon HTC Sensation Z710e en utilisant Tapatalk 4
[HTC Sensation] jmcclue:
Hey ivicask, quick question, will u be opening a new thread for ur sense 5 rom or will the viperS sense 4+ just be updated to sense 5 and sense 4+ discontinued? Thanks
[HTC Sensation] XeloOw:
I think it will be a Separate thread to avoid confusions
[HTC Sensation] ivicask:
Of course yes...
[HTC Sensation] usaff22:
Not trying to create a stir, but he didn't do work on the One S port. Torxx created the base, the users submitted resized apps and Taylor just drag and dropped them into the next update.
[HTC Sensation] pera987:
So there won't be kinda revelation/viperS versions of Rom?
[HTC Sensation] raz0rf1sh:
EXACTLY this.

And then claimed it was "his" property.
[HTC Sensation] XeloOw:
Both as i read on viper thread and here
[HTC Sensation] pera987:
Oh, cool, thanks...:)
[HTC Sensation] boleguc:
This one has been lost a long time ago... And I think that ivicask said that that actually is the purpose of this thread, to avoid clogging the viper s thread with questions about sense 5 :)
[HTC Sensation] MiikO:
Is there a close date ViperS out of 5 Sense?
[HTC Sensation] XeloOw:
Early November said Ivicask

Envoyé depuis mon HTC Sensation Z710e avec Tapatalk 4
[HTC Sensation] nikola016:
I think that this is a good suggestion, so when ViperS 5.0 come out, discontinue this rom and that's it.
[HTC Sensation] Nick N:
I think the problem with an open beta is that people like to tweak their phone a certain way (overclock, underclock, this app, that app) and in my opinion something like this requires structured testing. Not trying to be negative but you need requirements and a test plan to see if those requirements are met. Reminds me of people who review recipes and say I really liked it, but I substituted this and added a little of that. Developers would be wasting time troubleshooting "bugs" that may have been introduced with an app or crazy overclock. Just my 2¢.
[HTC Sensation] Raven2k:
Unsubscribing...

I must say, ViperS's dev team is not only with endless talent, but with endless patients as well.

I subscribed to this thread a long while ago, and whenever my blood pressure is low, I enter just to read a few comments.

Flashololics are never happy. It's either an early development with a lot of bugs.. or "hey, we SHOULD have had that feature"..

People here are full of suggestions, comments, ideas, plans... All these people had bought the Sensation, paid HTC (directly or not) a good deal of money. I bet well over 90% of these smartasses did not even contact HTC, asking for more support, new features, new versions etc.

But they do ask, suggest and at times demand from the devs here.

Are you aware that these devs invest their free time in this? They could work and earn money, they could go to the movies, visit a friend, watch TV at that time, pretty much what you lazy asses do at your own free time. But no - these devs invest their time in the benefit of all of us, sensation users.

Do any of you have any idea how hard their work is? Had any of you reversed engineered anything? Even compiled a kernel? Not to mention delvik issues, library manipulation, kernel development ? These are REALLY REALLY HARD!

I, for one, sit back, and enjoy the fact that there are such people who make my phone rock, when the company behind it gave up long ago.

I appreciate, donate, thank - really thank, not just press that ugly button - all these devs! They are doing an amazing job.

Like every one else, I'm waiting for the next version. Always waiting for the next version.. Be it Sense 5, a new kernel tweak, a new mod, an extra 0.7MB or RAM, a new sound enhancement etc.. And I do get excited when these come out, and ran to flash them instantly. Such a flash could make my day!

But I will never, EVER, throw accusations, demands or ETAs toward these guys.

Some people here think they are so clever - with such a perfect English, great reasoning and "logic" - that they can manipulate the devs into thinking they are writing a wonderful suggestions, when between the line there are all these ugly ETA demands hiding.. Well let me tell you something smart asses - you're not fooling anyone but yourselves. Personally, your make me sick.

Bottom line, I respect team venom - a lot. Their work for ages, and now their endless patients.

I feel bad when I see how people ***** on them in here - while they do their best to respond, support and answer.

So, Team Venom, by unsubscribing I do not mean to show disrespect. On the contrary. I simply cannot stand and watch that *****ing going on.

As a token of my appreciation - some beer!!

Monarx - 48H35879C68515420

SebastianFM - 31X23391GX562090J

ivicask - your account refuse to get funds - either it had overflown with funds (which you very well deserve...) or there's a configuration issue. Anyhow, please fix it and PM me :)

So long, and thanks for all the fish.
[HTC Sensation] ziaulh.ch:
Very well said! Respect!
[HTC Sensation] rhyme4u12:
JAH bless man, you said right
[HTC Sensation] Sprint82:
That's right man. :)
[HTC Sensation] Alcatraze:
Have you fixed the touchscreen issues? Many people meet touchscreen issues on JB roms .

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2437293

this tool may fix it , but not everyone succeeded.

You can work on it and make a more effective solution to fix the issue.

Thanks , Venom Team and [MENTION=5032148]ashkan-khatar[/MENTION] who gave us this tool
[HTC Sensation] ziaulh.ch:
Thanks but Sense 5 doesnt need that. The touch is perfect.