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[Nexus 4 General] moneyolo:
Same heree or I want these features in KLP or some kind of Google update.. but let's not complain and see what Google will give our Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] Rox598:
it's got a nice lockscreen hopefully someone can port it when the device is opened by devs
[Nexus 4 General] rootusr:
That lock screen functionality (active notification) is linked to the fact that it uses an AMOLED display, otherwise it would consume a lot of battery, I don't think that would be functional in the current Nexus 4/7/10 but I guess we'll see.

About the gesture to launch the camera, I do think is possible with an app.
[Nexus 4 General] phixional:
Nexus 5 and the Moto X are not competing devices. They are released under different brands, developed by different teams, and target a different sector.

Moto X competes with HTC One, iPhone and other $500+ devices that have hundreds of millions invested in Super Bowl ads and prime time commercials. I have never seen a Nexus ad on TV.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] TheNerd:]:
I'm extremely impressed with the moto x. I like the customization options and always listening and ergonomics are top notch. And that processor at 720p should make the phone fly.

If I could I would trade my Nexus 4 for the moto x
[Nexus 4 General] DontPushButtons:
So, just my .02 on the matter. Just because Google bought Motorola doesn't mean they merged and are one entity. They bought Motorola, but they didn't absorb Motorola.

That being said, picture you're a large multi-billion dollar corporation. You have a tried and true method of releasing your own devices with a lower price point and a stock OS that already has a following and already does well enough for your sales quota.

Now you buy another company that has a massive portfolio of VERY pertinent patents. This company already has a following as well, and a development team that's ALSO been doing well enough.

Now, let's continue allowing Motorola to do their own thing but with a little nudge in a direction from Google and encourage them to experiment a little bit with the market to see what people respond to more.

If Motorola fails, they always have Google to fall back on. If Google fails (in the phone market, anyway..), then they're still making plenty from Motorola. It's really a win-win, regardless of if one of the phones sucks. If Moto X tanks, Nexus will look better. If Nexus tanks, Moto X will look better..

It's actually a pretty brilliant system they're setting up, especially allowing Motorola to continue doing what it does without bringing them completely into the fold.
[Nexus 4 General] sn0warmy:
I am (was) in the same boat. I was quite eagerly awaiting the Moto X announcement and was fully prepared to shell out up to $350 + tax for it if it was magically available from the Play Store today. I even logged into my Google account this morning to ensure the most up to date credit card was on file and checked the device list in the play store to see if it was quietly put up for sale before the press event today. :laugh:

However, after reading all the posts about the official announcement on Android Central, Android Authority, Droid Life and AndroidSpin I think I've changed my mind. Don't get me wrong, the specs are exactly what I had been anticipating and I personally think the design is an improvement over the Nexus 4 (less fragile). But what kills me, and maybe I'm crazy for thinking this, is that the phone will be launched through the carriers at some point later this month and there still isn't an indication of when it will be available on the Play Store. It's a Google phone released by a Google owned company and they give it to the carriers first? Come on!

And more importantly, considering it's available for $200 or $300 on contract, you can pretty much guarantee that it will be $550+ unlocked. And I think $550 is a very low expectation ($650-$750 sounds more realistic). Look back at all other phones that have been available for $200-$300 on contract and you will find that none of them have been available for $300-$400 unlocked. If you want to buy this phone unlocked you better be prepared to spend double what the Nexus 4 cost. If you think I'm wrong you are in for a rude awakening.

Oddly, today's events have actually made me change my thought process entirely and I am now considering selling my 16GB Nexus 4 (purchased at launch) in order to buy a refreshed version of the Nexus 4 from the Play Store with the little nubs on the back. Lack of these nubs with a glass back was my only gripe about the Nexus 4 when it was released. I'd be willing to pay the $100-$150 difference after selling my current one to have a brand new one again as apposed to waiting for the Moto X to be released for a ridiculous price on the Play Store.
[Nexus 4 General] gogozx:
PM me the price of your Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Lord Hades:
I don't quite get why you'd buy another Nexus 4? Is yours in any way damaged? If not, the little nubs on the back aren't worth the extra $100 - $150....don't you think?
[Nexus 4 General] sn0warmy:
I've had it for about 7 months now so it is definitely showing some wear at this point. The back glass is scratched in a few places, the silver bezel has a bunch of scuffs from the Diztronic case I had it in before I decided to go caseless, and the front screen has a few spots on it where it looks like the oleophobic coating has started to come off somehow.

It would be worth $100-$150 for a brand new one again. This time I'll throw a DBrand skin on the back from day one and avoid a case altogether to avoid scuffs on the bezel.
[Nexus 4 General] rayiskon:
The way i see it is , the moto x is google's iphone, it's a consumer/mass market phone, it will be heavily advertised and as a result sell well.

There is no fear for the nexus line, the next nexus phone will come out by the end of the year with most probably top notch hardware, it will have it's issues and compromises just as any other previous nexus, but it will still be the only presenter of stock/closest to AOSP android. It will still be a completely unlockable, development friendly phone, a category the moto x is not competing in.
[Nexus 4 General] brashmadcap:
word
[Nexus 4 General] Smallsmx3:
They're were quite a few i have seen... You may be watching the wrong channels
[Nexus 4 General] myturbo1:
Yep, I've seen a few ads for the nexus 4 myself..
[Nexus 4 General] vmartinez39:
I wouldn't have cared about that so much except that I anticipated the Moto X to have that battery of the Droid Razr Maxx the one that lasts forever. Sure its an upgrade on all specs except for the battery. I'd have to consider the price.

Looking back the Nexus 4 was actually an impulse purchase because it was affordable and wasn't available. I'm actually using my GS2 now mainly for extra storage but I'm hating the step down. Plus camera is better, one might argue on details.

I'm sticking with Nexus 4 and will move back to it when CM and PA have more stable builds. Or might stick with stock, cause the constant wiping and flashing is starting to annoy me. Rather stick with something that might be stable even if I lose out on some of the awesome features.

Gonna sit this one out, I want a Maxx like device thats like a Nexus. Thats what I really wanted.
[Nexus 4 General] teambestyrandy:
Get an RMA if you have any minor defects you can get it rmaed for a new devices and you get you nubs
[Nexus 4 General] Smallsmx3:
Cm is pretty darn stable
[Nexus 4 General] filthykid:
And now that Motorola is owned by Google, there is near to no bloatware in their devices. They are more like stock android. So chances of people choosing moto phones over other OEMs is higher this tine around.
[Nexus 4 General] mlj11:
Don't lose sight of the big picture...

1. Motorola is still (supposed to be) considered another OEM, competing with the likes of Sammy and HTC.

Google cannot be seen to favour Moto or they might endanger the partnership they have with other OEMs, which is why in The Verge report one of the Moto execs took care to say they weren't getting any special favours. I speculate that this reason is why Google cooperated with Sammy and HTC to release the Play Edition One and S4... because they wanted to give their two biggest partners earlier access to recent builds of AOSP that they would otherwise not have managed to work with unless chosen to produce the next Nexus.

2. Think of the long term benefits.

Since acquiring Moto, Google has started to invest in manufacturing their own products: The Nexus Q, Google Glass, now the Chromecast... This (getting into hardware) is likely a long term game for Google, and you can bet they've studied Moto's expertise in this area. The Moto X launch is especially interesting from this point of view because Moto's doing what no other hardware manufacturer IN THE WORLD has done before by offering such a high level of made-to-order customization for device hardware, and also what no other Android OEM has done before (apart from Huawei?) by customizing their own SOC. Imagine Google 5 years from now when Google Now (software) is more mature... what amazing hardware do you think they will pair it with?

3. Android is getting more and more polished, and more easily accessible anywhere.

Google played their cards right by dragging out Jelly Bean. So many more devices have it installed, and this has really put a dent into one of the greatest criticism levelled against Android: fragmentation. Additionally, because Android has improved so much, OEM skins are converging more and more on the AOSP experience. These are great things for us XDA'ers because it means more easily created and stable ROMs for different devices. So even if the next Nexus may not live up to your expectations, think about the next blockbuster Sammy or HTC phone that will surely push the envelope spec-wise. Perhaps you could choose to purchase that instead, with reasonable expectations that your device will be well supported by the ROM community with firmwares in either AOSP or skinned flavours.

So overall I think there's still a lot to look forward to, even if you forget that KLP should drop... within, say 6 months?
[Nexus 4 General] lopezk38:
In 4.3, all the heat and battery issues went away for me...
[Nexus 4 General] paul_viado:
i think the king is the HTC Rezound that phone got blazing hot just being in my pocket without even me touching it and the battery, wow i got like 6 hours max on a single charge. but i own a n4 now rev 11. and never had any problems what so ever hot battery being hot bad performance or anything im rooted running francos kernel best phone ive ever had.
[Nexus 4 General] sn0warmy:
Oooooh good thinking sir. Looks like my phone just started randomly freezing...

Oh, and I'll just leave this here:

http://feedly.com/k/11y0hf6

$575/$625 off contract price for the Moto X from a reputable source. No thanks...
[Nexus 4 General] teambestyrandy:
Wow 575/625 for a duel core 720p phone not worth it...its nice. The motox8 chip is bleh. the nexus 4 beats the moto x. Gonna wait till nexus 5
[Nexus 4 General] Smallsmx3:
It does? Antutu bench is almost the same... I'll take that with better battery..... And the resolution doesn't matter... You need like a fifty inch screen to let 1080p shine....
[Nexus 4 General] Fataldesain:
Guys the main issue with Moto x is the price. I mean its madness to even think some people will buy this over a s4, one, iPhone. Google is known for low cost devices. These specs suck I don't care how you slice it.

I am still in shock like there must be something else great about it that I missed. You guys sure its not the phone is 199 period.
[Nexus 4 General] cbatiste1993:
Well Motorola hasn't stated their unlocked price yet, the 575/625 is buying outright from the carriers. Maybe we're all overreacting a bit or maybe not...
[Nexus 4 General] atulalvenkar:
It has been said time and again that Nexus program is not going away.

Motorola will make devices to turn a profit. Nexus program is used to showcase new OS and push android.

Coming to price. This device comes in 2000 combinations. It takes time and money to have that kind of options. It's also made in US which again makes producing it a bit expensive than doing it in China. Motorola have also designed some custom chips for this device and not just used off the shelf hardware. Motorola had said it's US exclusive phone. So full price doesn't mostly matter as people will buy it on contract.

Most people buying phones don't even look at specs. They care 2 hoots about it. It's just people in forums like XDA that worry about specs. As long as it runs fine, people will buy it.
[Nexus 4 General] noobdeagle:
Moto is still an OEM its target audience are the same as the HTC one or galaxy brand. Nexus programme is different and one would argue is targeting developers and consumers who want android plain they are like milestone devices.

Moto will not cannibalise nexus sales it's 2 different target markets.
[Nexus 4 General] doctahjeph:
I would agree with this if the moto x was priced competitively with the N4 and not the GS4 and iPhone 5. If it were closer in price with the N4 I'd think about maybe buying it. If I was a new buyer looking for a device and I compared the N4 with the Moto X I'd choose the N4 any day of the week.
[Nexus 4 General] Smallsmx3:
How is it not? Each one of those phones were at this price at launch. 199 is the standard for all flagship phones at launch by carriers
[Nexus 4 General] DontPushButtons:
Haha, but I do miss my hand-warmer, sometimes. Poor redheaded stepchild rez..
[Nexus 4 General] jtwlbz:
Motorola fails again.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I think they should have priced it as follow: 99$ 2 year contract for the 16 gig, 149.99$ 2 year contract 32 gig. Then 349.99$ off contract for 16 gig and 399$ for 32 gig. It would have been much better instead of that ridiculous 199$- 299$ on 2 year contract and 575$- 625$ off contract.
[Nexus 4 General] 7TimesCursed:
Moto X = Marketing.....Nexus =/= Marketing... No cannibalism going on. They don't care if Nexus phones don't sell well..
[Nexus 4 General] ZombieUsr:
I just want the storage aspect 2 years 50GB storage free on Google Drive...Lets build prop this
[Nexus 4 General] atulalvenkar:
Doubt it can be done via simple build.prop change. IMEI of every manufactured Moto X will be with Google. They'll probably tie in the 50GB stuff with IMEI rather than model.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
You try this and Google may ban your account. It happen to a few that did it for the drop box free storage.

Wayne Tech Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] nyyankees1237:
OP you answered your own question. The reason why the Moto X is so mediocre is because Google doesn't want to compete with itself. Google utilizes its Nexus line for high end devices. The Nexus 4 fills its high end spot (soon to be replaced by the Nexus 5) and the Moto X handled by Motorola will fill the mid range spot.
[Nexus 4 General] MisT.:
Like Samsung, Google is doing what you may call "eating yourself". Releasing multiple phones means that those who didn't buy the nexus might buy the motoX. It's a marketing strategy that samsung has always followed. However, this doesn't mean that an N5 won't be released as Google makes a lot of money on both the N5 and motoX.
[Nexus 4 General] dindin1212:
How sure are we about when the N5 is coming out?

In terms of the Moto X, I can't see who would get it over the S4 or One, unless it gets amazing battery life or better (unlikely) camera results.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
Those that would get the N5 would be the developer at heart. Those other devices are great for what they are but they are not real developer devices.

The main draw maybe the new moto options and the battery if the new chip holds true. The new camera app is kinda cool.
[Nexus 4 General] RealiZms:
The moto X will have no impact on the nexus handset(current or next gen).

I like the fact that Google is trying to put a solid, well built phone running near stock Android into as many hands as possible. Its going to be on EVERY carrier. Something the nexus phone hasnt done. They obviously took a lot design wise from the nexus4 and thats a good thing. Its a sexy looking phone that will be on every carrier. It could do very, very well.

All that means nothing to the next nexus. It will be based on the G2 and will once again the nexus phone will make our mouths water. Im glad LG is making it. Their IPS+ screen technology really stomps any other panel
[Nexus 4 General] Deeco7:
Surely there are DIY nubs available.
[Nexus 4 General] doctahjeph:
right you were comparing the MotoX with the N4. I was stating that while they are close in build, they are not in price. I said the MotoX was priced like GS4 and HTC One, but not the N4 which we were comparing.
[Nexus 4 General] zephiK:
There's a screen shot of the app drawer for the Verizon moto x and there was a total of 9 bloatware apps including Verizon based apps.
[Nexus 4 General] evertjr:
If Google discontinues Nexus program I'd happily jump into Apple ship, for me Nexus line are the only beautiful Android phones... zero bloat and no bull**** or delays in updates. I've owned many Android phones, including the Galaxy S3 (God I hate that ugly phone so much) and the Nexus 4 was only one that made me happy, the only phone that can compete with iOS smoothness and iPhone design IMO.
[Nexus 4 General] Fatherboard:
^^

My thoughts exactly.
[Nexus 4 General] zephiK:
Or Ubuntu... but naw, I'd stick with my Nexus. Even if its discontinued, I'll keep using it.

I doubt it'll be discontinued.
[Nexus 4 General] FatherD:
.. Two pennies worth.. Google is making some truly rank decisions lately... Maps 7 anyone!!
[Nexus 4 General] RedBlueGreen:
The Moto X isnt made for us "geek" / "tech nerds" Its made for the every day consumer.

This video explains it quite well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZX8graseUQ

In short... an average consumer will not dig down into the cpu, gpu, resolution, type of screen etc. Motorola priced it at this price to basically make it look like its the same as the One S4 and iPhone. High end.
[Nexus 4 General] the901:
Mind blown?

Less worry folks. It seems somewhat obvious to me. The next Nexus device will be the Google Moto neXus. Just wait...
[Nexus 4 General] fahadsul3man:
link please
[Nexus 4 General] otariq:
I actually like this phone. How much do you guys think it will be on the play store?
[Nexus 4 General] Michealtbh:
Why does everyone think the next Nexus phone will be called the Nexus 5? I personally think Google will stock with a <5" screen and it'll just be called the new N4, like they did with the N7.
[Nexus 4 General] Smallsmx3:
I agree. But bring on the moto nexus
[Nexus 4 General] vbrookie:
Current google versions worry me as well. HTC, Samsung and Moto X has risen the price of developer phones. I think the day of $299 & $349 nexus is over. I don't know who is the next manufacturer but I will be surprised if next nexus doesn't start at $499.
[Nexus 4 General] randomnoob83:
Not true look at the new nexus 7 it literally better in every way and is only $30 bucks more.
[Nexus 4 General] RedBlueGreen:
Who cares if its top dolla? If it is it will compete with the S4 specs.. Same or even better. I would pay the price.
[Nexus 4 General] randomnoob83:
Would any of you trade your nexus 4 for a lg optimus g pro? Does it have good resale value?
[Nexus 4 General] zephiK:
5" is becoming the standard. Not to mention that we also have onscreen keys. It only makes sense.

The rumor is that Nexus 5 will be based off LG G2 which is 5.2" which uses onscreen keys so it becomes a bit more reasonable.
[Nexus 4 General] DroidDavi:
The X and Nexus ate clearly aimed at 2 different consumers besides the stock and near stock exp I don't see how they over lap
[Nexus 4 General] mymeatb18:
Yeah ur right the moto x has a lot of silly features like the s4 with the always on mics and hand gesture stuff which appeals to people who care about that stuff. Me personally I like the fact of getting the most up to date clean feel of stock nexus. I don't need all that monkey business which the nexus is not for everyone.
[Nexus 4 General] blueren:
Think the future nexus devices will be under moto's manufacturing. Why else would've google acquired moto mobility! (Apart from the patents ofcourse)
[Nexus 4 General] b1337:
To make money, kinda a no brainer there...
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
There's nothing to worry about.
[Nexus 4 General] Nethojs29:
I'm worried about GE phones getting updates almost as fast as our n⁴

Now my friend isn't jealous, he will just get the GE rom on his S4
[Nexus 4 General] lyrical22:
The Nexus line is here to stay and still no phone comes even close to the Nexus 4 in terms of price to performance ratio. So I think the Nexus 5 or whatever it will be called is going to be a great bang for your buck and a great phone nonetheless.
[Nexus 4 General] mymeatb18:
I just want to know what the next nexus is gonna be like cuz I really don't want to get a phone with the buttons on the back. Seems a little awkward every time u go to unlock the phone.
[Nexus 4 General] sarkozy:
A phone is not an investment.
[Nexus 4 General] hutzdani:
I dont think so somehow, why release the Moto x and then a nexus 5 a few months later ? if google are with motorola why would they then undercut their own business and then release a new handset to a smaller customer base who may have already purchased the moto x
[Nexus 4 General] mELIANTE:
Different audiences for each phone, they don't overlap.

Although I would love a Motorola Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] rpaloalto:
It's been reported that motorola has a cheaper moto x in store for us in the future. Probably plastic back instead of kevlar and no sd slot.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2013/08/02/motorolas-three-reasons-not-to-buy-the-moto-x/

I'm hoping for a Moto nexus x for our nexus 5. Hopefully they can do it for $400 or less
[Nexus 4 General] atulalvenkar:
Nexus is a device by software company to showcase their latest software release and push Android penetration.

Moto X and other Motorola devices are mass market devices by a hardware company to sell hardware and make money.

People are confusing Google with Motorola. Even though Moto is owned by Google they are separate companies with different goals.