yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
Love BSG.....you should get John to teach you to theme freak...you have the eye for it thats for sure

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Yep the niners sure stunk up the field...would not want to be the QB heading back to SF after he pretty much lost the game for them. Im glad manning had his way with NE too...good on him.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
I would love to learn to build Roms and themes

"There'll be no living with her now"

Sent from my AT&T S4

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I will say this I think the white icons on the NA5 builds are butt UGLY...I prefer some color and battery mods different than just a rectangle

"There'll be no living with her now"

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Where are you you Texan? ???

"There'll be no living with her now"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
Id place a wager hes wrestling with 4.4.2...an educated guess ;)

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Wrassling a losing battle without a T/W 4.4 kernel

"There'll be no living with her now"

Sent from my AT&T S4

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Man I'm at 3,735 posts I've got a freaken big mouth

"There'll be no living with her now"

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Where is everyone? ?????????????????

"There'll be no living with her now"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
I'm not sure NA1 for 4.3 can be as good as Vision-X ML9 this Rom is flawless one of the best I've ran. Nuff said.

"There'll be no living with her now"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] PartySlayer:
:D lmfao I see you're a crazy guy. but you're doing your job well and I respect the time you give it to make other people happy. That's good eh? :D :D :D

:D sent from my beast on VISION-X :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
That is very good my friend and what XDA is and should be in my opinion.

"There'll be no living with her now"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] PartySlayer:
Oh i forgott i like you hahahahhahahahahahaha :D

:D sent from my beast on VISION-X :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Awwwww I like you to my friend ????

"There'll be no living with her now"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Nah can't ban the Axman we still need him LOL...thanks for the stock camera bro now I'm running 4 camera's geez like I needed another whew. Of course I did:D

"Zed?Zed's dead baby Zed's dead"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
Thank you sir!

No problems at all...I charged my phone before bed then unplugged it to see how much it would drop and it only dropped 3%. Damn thats excellent! Wifi on, outlook and exchange email on push plus twitter....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
That is the best thing about the rom I think, is the battery, with wifi on, I use wifi constantly, so it was a must....

you guys do turn off animation correct? or set it at .5 it will fly serious....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
I always set it to. 5...been doing as a habit for a long time lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
That 4x5 launcher is way fast. I love that addition. it is very snappy.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
I've been using nova so I can have transparent status bar with other wallpapers...I can't stand that ugly black bar lol. Plus its got an awesome home screen back Up...makes setting up after a flash way easier.

sent from my CleanRom note 2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] L1qu1d:
I'm currently using http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2375180&highlight=rogers

Are there any differences? I dont mean to compare. What I basically want is the Stock firmware with great battery and ram:P. I'm also afraid of losing Proper gps and LTE.

Any suggestions from this rom?

Coming from the Optimus G (which completely made me paranoid since each rom was a toss of a coin in terms of both performance and stability...it was aweful), I just want a good experience. I loved the GE 4.2.2 made by iB4STiD but tethering wouldn't work and signal was a little off...battery was absolutely orgasmic though...

So I'm looking to see if I can get the best out of my phone. The look doesn't matter since i'll be using the Buzz launcher.

I would like to thank all Devs for their rom support though, I haven't felt this happy with a purchase since S3 International:P
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
See how different we are? LOL I use Atom launcher and I prefer the black bar.

As far as battery goes I have a 7500 mAh Zerolemon so I charge every 3 days or so.

Great Rom Ax looking forward to the update. :D

"Zed?Zed's dead baby Zed's dead"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
Our next release will have transparent status bar.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
That was my thought also, stay pretty much stock, and let me say, that this rom is snappy and the battery stats are great. Umm, but it is all on how you configure your rom.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] L1qu1d:
Alright thank u sir, I'm going to test this stock rom 2 days then jumpt o urs to compare it. If reception is the same or better, and battery is still the same or better I'll jump on:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
You will like it, I assure you. Let me know. Thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] L1qu1d:
Just installed it, keep getting NFC payment crashed:S
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] Obartuckc:
Just use TiBu to freeze NFC Payment--it doesn't effect Google Wallet.

Sent from my AT&T Samsung Galaxy S4 Badass
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
I'm big fan of the castaway battery and center clock. I can't seem to get center clock to stick with nottach.

No problem tho I still dig this Rom.:D

"Zed?Zed's dead baby Zed's dead"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
I had no issue center clock with nottach...weird. ver12 right?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Ver1.2? Or ver 12? I'm on version 1

"Zed?Zed's dead baby Zed's dead"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
I left NFC in because someone uses it I guess. I would just soon remove it if it is not important.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
You have any other status bar mod loaded other than nottach?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
morph does not alter the other things like hide the carrier ID, lets say....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
If I remember correctly on my S3 I'd run morph and say a cobalt theme or venoms red

"I drive a Dodge Stratus!"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
I am confused, what Im saying is xposed and 3min, do have options like, remove text labels, adjust the toggles, and so on, morph does not do these things, question is, if you have either one of those already loaded, what use would morph be?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Ahhhhhh ok well with morph you can change toggles and lots more battery and icon choices. Slider colors notification backgrounds, different settings icons and screens lots of dialers and button styles colors and so forth. But you can as I said still use a theme like cobalt or blacked out it's pretty cool actually.

"I drive a Dodge Stratus!"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
force & freak!!!!!

If you run morph from recovery and mod all your stuff the way you want, and you had 3min loaded already, what happens to what, meaning does morph overwrite all 3min settings that you changed...?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] achang9523:
what kernels are compatible with rom? i tried kt but it seems to give me problems. my lockscreen freezes up and then reboots phone by itsself. any ideas?? thanks!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
Are you using the Att KT TW kernel? not the aosp?

Right now I am using the KT i9505 TW kernel, and I loki doki after I flashed the kernel...no issues...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
That I don't know Ax I didn't have 3minit on my S3 but I did use and interchange several mods to get what I wanted and when something didn't work I flashed nandroid and started again. Tell ya what give me the zip I'll flash the sucker and tell ya if it all works. Anything to help man :D

"I drive a Dodge Stratus!"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
I will get the details, someone needs to test it...he has a good working copy, still more work to do to it, but it works good.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
I'm using KT's AT&T 8-20 T/W kernel with basically his settings with not one reboot or screen of death. I use Shabby Penguins CWM that auto lokis ZERO problems.

"I drive a Dodge Stratus!"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4

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I'll run it Ax I'm getting itchy I love experiments LOL

"I drive a Dodge Stratus!"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
Im not sure I only ran morph on my s3 and note. but more than willing to find out for us :D

sent from my S3, S4 or Note2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
Clev should let a copy out for test tomorrow.

Just got thru building Vis 1.3 MGC ....will have that up also tomorrow.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
I may have to take the day off work at this rate lol.you two are rockstars.

sent from my S3, S4 or Note 2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
I'm ready Ax lets kick this pig woohoo!! :D:thumbup:

"If you ain't first yer last"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] achang9523:
using the tw jb att 7 24 2013. is that the right one??? if not which one is the right one?

plz. and thanks

using kt sgs4 jb4.2 tw att 08/20/2013.....is that right??
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
Im using the same one, no issues here

sent from my S3, S4 or Note2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] achang9523:
i edited my post. im using the 8/20.....ill let it run another day or so and see if it stops. thanks tho

also....whats aroma and how do i use it???
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
I'm running 8-20 build... aroma is an install tool that allows one to pick certain options,themes,mods,apps and kernels during a Rom install.

"If you ain't first yer last"

Sent from my rockin ATT S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
What a day today, I got ViSiON-X 1.3 coming today, (which I think everyone should update to) your call, you will not see any physical changes, but internal...PA POW! It addresses a couple of network issues in addition to the random reboots, and by the way everyone, I have linked that reboot thing not to the rom, but the damn kernel....

And a few select will get to do the morph test..I think Clev is releasing morph this weekend, look for a thread soon.....stay tuned to a good friday, and everyone have a great weekend, we fixing to have some fun.....

fyi, in a month, this ViSiON X thread will be completely overhauled for the next exciting Vision X Project...stay with us for awhile, good things coming...I haven't let anyone down yet have I?

play nice freak....:D you to force....and the rest of ya..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
Oh theres gona be a whole lota flashing going on real soon!

You da man ax.

sent from my S3, S4 or Note2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] PartySlayer:
Yeah lmfao :D :D

:D sent from my beast on VISION-X :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] ron31:
can this be used on i337m. because i got stuck on partition part at the end 15 minutes still not donw
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
No Comment!:laugh:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
You are correct, I am trying to do 3 roms at the same time...yikes!

4.4.2 is waiting, as always....I am ready!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
It is not better, but the same, I like it....everyone should move always to the newest.....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] Altarocks:
I see a new thread title... :cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
[Release Date: 01-24-14]

ViSiON X II I9505XXUENA4 4.3 Release

Uploading Now!

Ain't nothing that a thanks can't take care of!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
Oh yeah, its coming, I am ready!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
Yes sir..im running it on my i337. Flashed with twrp 2.6.0.0 and running chronic kernel.

You made have just had a bad flash..re wipe flash rom then flash i337m kernel.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
Yes sir, should work fine, make sure your download matches the MD5 I posted, and make sure you flash your Canadian kernel that works for you after.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Oh you're itching to say something but you're just not as witty as I am LOL?????

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning"

Sent from my AT&T S4

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Alright I'm up and ready bring on the new build

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning"

Sent from my AT&T S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Oh yeah and watch out working with sawz alls LOL

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning"

Sent from my AT&T S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
What? you cut yourself? Can you still flash?

What happen to me when I smashed the Note3 screen, I still used the device while it was shattered, my index finger got infected with slithers of glass, ouch, talk about painful...all because I dropped the note, it got me back....

get better sir....PM sent.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
No cut...that was a pinch torn to the bone. Thankfully on my left index and therefore non flashing finger.

Not rain, sleet, snow nor maiming can keep me from my flashing addiction.

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning"

Sent from my AT&T S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] ron31:
thanks for reply guys i will flash cant wait
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
We are here to serve sir, if you run into a snag...yell at us, we will help where we can....:good::good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Please don't yell at me Ax does that enough already the charlatan.

I'll be glad to help without all the yelling. ??

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

Sent from my AT&T S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
I thought that was a figure of speech there tinkerbell....:laugh::cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Ooooooh is that what that was huh?

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] Venom0642:
Post it something in Venomous V-X Thread go over and read please Thanks!:p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] axel06:
That photo does not belong in any XDA Forum, but maybe private email -
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
Rom is now posted...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Up and running

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

Sent from my AT&T S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] v941726:
SGS4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Be careful thread police are lurking

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] v941726:
I see that. I think I have been banned. They can just delete it

SGS4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Nah you ain't banned yet

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] v941726:
I'm not advertising. Just thought I would put it out there. I don't gain from it

SGS4

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They wouldn't let me reply

SGS4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Well you're here v so no worries Mate

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] v941726:
Now I can apparently.

SGS4

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That would suck being banned here. You guys put a smile on my face in the am and I get a great rom to boot. I was just trying to help people that want to jump ship from a×× to t××××××. Just trying to help is all

SGS4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
AT&T to T - Mobile? ?

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
;):mad:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
:banghead::banghead::banghead::mad::mad::D

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

Sent from my AT&T S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
Posting that here is not allowed, but you are not banned, if you continue they will, so just watch what your posting thats all...be careful.

Do not ever say the k word.:p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
K word? ???? Am I missing a word I shouldn't be saying that I should say???? Oooh?

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

Sent from my AT&T S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] axel06:
Let's stay with the subject: The Vision-X Rom
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] PartySlayer:
Hahaha lol

:D sent from my beast on VISION-X :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
I am sorry, are you running this rom?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Hey Ax do we have some one riding herd in the thread now???

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

Sent from my AT&T S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
I think sir, that they are fixing to Axe the Ax!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] AxAtAx:
Ok, for everyones information, I will build the Venomous VX NA4 starting this weekend, and maybe, just maybe....we will see a 4.4.2 k hit, and I can update with that...lets not rush this next one so fast...could be the mother of all roms with 4.4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
I have that feeling to my old friend and it ain't right

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

Sent from my AT&T S4

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Let's see it happen ol buddy I'm ready for the next big thing

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

Sent from my AT&T S4

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Vision is running flawless as usual Ax a beautiful build indeed.

And by the way who likes who in the SuperBowl? ???

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] ron31:
what would be a good kernel for this rom i337m
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Force will be along pretty soon he's up on i337m issues

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

Sent from my AT&T S4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] milicigoran:
Blocking Numbers

The does option to go to call settings and block certain numbers work. Like if I want to block my ex girlfriends number so the phone wont accept calls from her. Does that feature work? I've tried a bunch of roms and added the numbers I want blocked but they can still call.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
Theres a couple...ive run chronic, talexob and ausdim v11 with success. Ive yet to try KTs yet.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Thank you sir

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
Making progress with any of the goodies I sent you? If you can pull this off the mother of all roms will be an understatement! Ready to test anything you need and im sure freak is all in too:thumbup:

ax if i might humbly suggest...you ought to add Canada or i337m on the thread title..been getting a few pms from CAN peeps asking if this works on our devices...dont want anyone to miss out on vision goodness!

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] ron31:
thanks for the help ill check them out
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] ron31:
is anybody having a problem with bluetooth .I try to connect to bluetooth and get no keyboard to enter info
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
I had a problem with slo mo on the video ron and I just flashed another kernel

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

Sent from my AT&T S4

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Hey what's everyone up to???? Where'd every body go?????????

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
This is just beautiful in my opinion what T/W should look like.

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Boy Friday night and this place clears out

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] Flashaholics Anonymous:
John's ice theme has been removed from drop box, no access on m my end to his ice theme.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Here's his thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2313635

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] PartySlayer:
Ax? who can i find wallpapers from vision x?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
I use these two from playstore Awesome Wallpapers and Premium Wall Papers HD

Just go to Playstore and search for them they have TONS of beautiful and unique wallpapers

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Everybody asleep? ????

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Boy not every body jump at once!!!! Maybe I should post more pix of my bloody finger LOL

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] tattooed1:
hit and miss here for me, furnace went down and work has been crazy, so are we being watched in here? This is the best support thread there is!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] s8freak:
Sent ya a pm tatt

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development] force70:
Yeah....that was pretty nasty freak. How many stiches to close it up?

Thank god it wasnr your flashing finger lol

sent from Canada from my G2, Note 3 or S4