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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
I gave entropy a thanks on your behalf, as it's an incredibly good explanation.

Indeed, while it shouldn't be anyone's goal to get up in the morning and say "right, how will I break CTS today", I would much sooner see strategic "ignoring" of annoying CTS parts, than following blindly.

For example with Cornerstone - everyone ran away because Google said "no" - I'd rather sit down, look at it, and see WHY they are saying no. Is it genuinely a bad design, or is it really something that could be rectified? While it might break some tiny part of CTS, if it isn't breaking any apps, I have no personal objection to it. For me, parts of CTS that say "you mustn't do this", or "you can't do that", in the context of how you interact with your device, are "optional" in the context of a custom ROM...

The parts that relate to actual functionality such as ensuring apps will run, are necessary. I do have a personal gripe regarding DPI though - there's a lot of FUD about how using a different DPI to what the device uses will cause kittens to die, and pandas to melt... But with a little bit of smart thinking, you can use a standard DPI (240, 320, 160) without app compatibility issues.

Likewise with Halo, I am sure that might break some part of CTS, but frankly I have yet to ever see it cause an app to not work correctly - it just shows the app, but "pretends" the screen is a bit smaller, from what I recall.

I have little doubt this is why CM choose to stay clear of strong privacy protection like XPrivacy (which can protect you to the extent that Google's apps will struggle to recognise your device uniquely!)

Tl;dr, the CTS is about ensuring all android devices "play nicely". But lately it seems to be more about "playing by Google's rules"... And that's why custom ROMs were invented - to play by our own rules, since we own our phones :)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
Yeah, might well be, but I don't really know if it is a good idea messaging them. In the end they get hundreds of messages telling them the same, which I'm sure they would not like. Im not a fan of telling names or pointing out individuals, so I prefer having a public discussion rather then bothering individuals which might not even be related to what happend.

And yes, if it would have been someone else than pulser it might have been deleted, but it happend, we can't change it now so let's try and make the best out of it.

PS: Does anyone have a link to the reddit thing for me, please? I can't find it.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
errmm... change comes mostly from discussion, so let's consider just this 2 theoretic future development:

1. CM does what it does and the user eat it and di...live happy even after.

2. CM does what it does and there are controversal public discussions of it, which give all sides the possibility to have a slighty better look at things and maybe from other angles.

Would the product be the same?

No, I don't think so. And even, if I don't demand open discussions at CM, I am a big fan of a dialog.

E.g. just the little things, nobody denies and all people here are seeing (simplification of CM in on or another way), I needed it.. it gave me a new point of view.

If this thread wouldn't have happened, I would have much later... maybe never realized, that CM7 != CM10. And I don't reference to the product itself, more to the spirit, to the goals.

Beside: In the same way, CM doens't answer to XDA or anybody else and has the right to discuss things in a way they want, everyone else has the same right. If others wants to discuss matters of their concern (e.g. CM) in public - they have this right also ;).
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Mazda:
OK, nobody is stopping you from lighting a candle and going all Dr. Phil on us BUT the fact remains.....

CM does what they want. They have every right to do so.

They don't have to discuss ANYTHING with anyone. It doesn't matter if you donated, have 2-3 titles or have been a fan of theirs for 5-6 years....

CM doesn't owe anyone anything!

That's all I'm saying. All this "talking is good" is for nothing! CM will do what it wants because they have every right to do so.

A better approach to all of this would been to contact someone in the CM ranks and have a private discussion about what's going on and what can be done to come to a middle ground........NOT start a hissy fit on XDA and stir things up.

BUT like I said, nobody is stopping you from pouring your heart out, please do so!

Have fun :)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
With all that said and telling us to "contact someone in the CM ranks and have a private discussion about what's going on and what can be done to come to a middle ground", read what you wrote below you signature pic :silly:.

Oh and yes, it might not be exactly the same but you get the point I think.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
yeahyeah, heres a candle for you, too.

And you are saying that CM answers to no one? I understood you right, when you said: "It doesn't matter if you donated, have 2-3 titles or have been a fan of theirs for 5-6 years....

CM doesn't owe anyone anything!"

So CM don't care for its community? ;)

As I don't think that you are the voice of CM, I just see it as rant. BUT consider, that such an attitude of a community project (and CM was and mostly is nothing else), could hurt it pretty bad... no more snuggle with google, if CM losses to much reputation, no more feeling important and of course no money in it.

Luckily it was just a rant of you - but you should consider your words more carefully, if you don't want to hurt CMs reputation.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] shaggyskunk:
Is it time, to open up a new thread - A thread which is devoted to, discussing the various philosophical viewpoints, on which, if any change in direction CyanogenMod may / is taking - So as to allow the discussion of this particular rom, for this particular device, to continue?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Mazda:
hahaha what?!?

Maybe you forgot to take some meds you haven't told us about or something but if you did, go take them quickly! lol

I never said that CM didn't care about the community.

There's a difference between caring for the community and having to run every commit pass the community via polls and stupid threads.

BUT at this point, is way past the point of just discussing things and we have entered the stage of where you're just replying to have the final say!

Go for it dude!!

I'm sure the CM will listen to your "I think CM should do this" posts haha

Later!
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] @(^_^)@:
^^^^^^This^^^^^^

100% correct
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
[MENTION=1289361]Mazda[/MENTION] you are spinning the arguments as you like.

Sleep a night, read your words again and try to understand how the words sound to 3rd parties.

And my meds are none of your business..and that candle is yours, I don't want it back.

Sent from mobile.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] molesarecoming:
theming engine breaks cts

root breaks cts

you have a kernel panel in there that changes voltages and governors, im sure google and the oems love all the trashed devices that users send in because of that

you let the user cram obsolete menu buttons in there left and right, that's against their guidelines (and hurts the eco system)

you merge untested bionic optimizations and toolchain changes that have brought down apps in the past, you must have caused thousands of bad ratings with that one

you exchange googles entire service catalogue with self made hobbyist solutions - why are you even talking about their cts?

don't get me wrong, i think it's fine you enable these things - meant for people who can manage.

there's no need to fashion guidelines into some sort of excuse for anything.

ps.

google came after cm because cornerstone resizes apps while they're running, which does cause damage. they simply break. cm was absolutely fine with that, until the slapping and suddenly they're crying for for conformity - isn't that odd?

something like halo/hybrid does not do that, the apps simply fall back into a lower res container, then run with one defined size which never changes. why is it like that? because we sat down, with the cts guidebook at hand, trying to come up with solutions to pacify it. you should have done the same with cornerstone.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pnsdhrn:
+1
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] astoncheah:
The way of the post the op created should be more mature(especially with the highly respected titles the op has ). Just as what they always encourage our users not to make this type of post...else they make our post disappear.

I appreciate this great xda community.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Conny84:
I agree, poor GN brick 2 users, having to read about general problems people might have with cm ^^

On (cm) topic: My grandfather always said: Nothing is for free. I revised that thought by saying all good things that are for free won't be for a long time. A community like cm is destined to get in the crossfire of its users and google, which strives for more profit. A perfect built in cm privacy guard for example, forbidding apps to gather user information simply can not be tolerated by google, since they need to comfort their playstore app providers. Or look at current samsung devices: No open source drivers, like on S2: No open source driver for gpu, meaning no project butter for me. In todays times you need to take a look at your smartphones chipset in order to make your decision whether to buy local S3 or an imported one. 5 years from now there will probably only be different stock roms, if not ubuntu goes on a winning streak (though I don't know why they should be able to obtain open source drivers from their manufactures..).
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
I totally agree with you Conny84, but for Canonical applies the same as for Google or CM.

Someday, some size, some influence.. and they will go "rogue".

(beside I think that google started this way and only shows part for part its true face. google had nearly from the beginning a history of ruining other peoples business and collect the toll later)

So I think we are kept in the need for always renewing cycles... is one to powerfull, other have to bring it down.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] shaggyskunk:
Surely, I must be mistaken - your definitely not talking about anarchy - tilting at something that's free....
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
I think indeed, you got me wrong.

I am talking of the freedom of choice.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] VoiD_Dweller:
What a rant..
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] CMNein:
...those "smaller projects" sure have egos, you'd think

they

invented Android. Always there to take ignorant jabs.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Mazda:
I'll just drop this right about......HERE :)

https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/ABDA7xSdZcx
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Slagathor:
I came to check for updates but instead crypta is having me wondering if I should join Hare Krishna or not.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] jcrompton:
Anybody figure out why 4.3 based ROMs don't have data while on a phone call.?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] CMNein:
Nothing new there, they've stated that several times in the past few weeks, and its obvious what's going on on Gerrit. Most people like band wagons it seems. Mako got some device parts last week, no gamma, but meh, didn't have it stock either.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Mazda:
Ok Lol
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] CMNein:
Ummm...I think you may have misunderstood my intent.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] anoneemooz:
Curious, I just saw a merge specific to N7100! And to all those freaking out about missing advanced settings, it's about MDNIE:

http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/48536/

Are we finally getting official CM? :D

Edit: Oh and looks like it really has been in the works: "initial bringup of n7100 to 4.3" http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/46606/ c/o pulser

I'm sorry, I'm not sure how official and unofficial stuff works but this made me hopeful
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] anoneemooz:
I know there are people out there who adore aokp but for me it's far too on the extreme of customization to the point that there always seems to be some loose ends everywhere and it feels too hacky overall. CM on the other hand has always been just the right amount of customization for the power user without sacrificing polish and usability.

If average users don't use such advanced features then they won't go looking for them deep within the settings anyway. It's not like all users are forced to make a decision up front on the backlight and mdnie settings etc. If they want it, they'll go looking for it in the settings or ask about it. If they don't care then the extra settings aren't obtrusive to their use in any way. If they are genuinely curious about all the settings then they will experiment.

I know giving the user many options and decisions is poor UX but in this case, it's not a matter of UX. The settings are there if one wants to use them but the user is never forced to make a decision. Power users don't care about having to dig within the settings to get at what they want. It's labeled under "advanced settings" for a reason ..which is it is for the advanced aka power user.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Mazda:
Well for lack of a better word, **** changes man!

I mean, I know you and many others might of expected to use CM until CM1000 came out but unfortunately this seems to be the direction the developers or should I say the "maintainers" of CM are taking it. I say maintainers because someone who I won't name drop said yesterday that supposedly CM doesn't belong to Steve Kondik but I'll leave that for another day lol

So like I was saying, the direction that Steve and company are taking this ROM is obviously not what you're looking for. With that said, WHY NOT just fork CM and do what you have to do?

It beats the hell out of complaining, that's for sure! lol

Also, do you have a link or something where one of the CM higher ups have confirmed that they are indeed going for CTS? I checked in a few spots yesterday and couldn't find anything.

The reason I'm asking is because right now, you're not only using that to tie in your entire argument but I believe is influencing others to follow your lead.

If is indeed a fact then alright but if is just a rumor then I think you need to chill a bit and wait to see what all comes out of the CM camp......no?

I will again say that if it does come out that CM is going for CTS and they're no longer keeping the user in mind when it comes to ROM discussions then they have every RIGHT to do so.

Is their ROM, they can do what they want....simple as that!
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Zanr Zij:
My Nexus 4 has as normal :).
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
Hey everyone, I do have a question: Lately my ROM started laging, freezing, rebooting and all kind of weird things happend, so I did a clean install.

I tried CM10.2, 10.1 and AOSPA 3.97 and the problems keep going on.

I formated every partition with TWRP besides the external SD.

I'm now going to install stock 4.1.2 back and see if it solves the problem.

I also had the problem where installing an app from the market fails with "Installation to USB or external storage failed" which I have read, could be triggerd by some file which is on the SD and the internal storage and should get regenerated after insalling a new rom. So I'm going to format my SD as well to be sure. (At least I do have the latest radio afterwards :D)

[MENTION=2178960]pulser_g2[/MENTION] Do you have any updated as far as new versions go? I'm not asking for an ETA, I just want to know if you are going to build with the "new" CM10.2 sources? Also I have seen some movement in our devices gerrit, is someone working on a official version?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] jcrompton:
Must be 7100 specific because at least for me I don't have simultaneous talk and data on three different 4.3 ROMs. Especially bad when your downloading something and you get a phone call (and the download server doesn't resume).

Makes me feel sorry for Verizon users
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
[MENTION=499975]aliens[/MENTION]r

Better prepare for a sudden death of your handy. This sounds a bit like it.

Also I had some weird problem in the past: 3 of the cores gone sleeping..even under heavy duty,I solved this by changing my governor to q Pegasus.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
Nope, I saved it ;) It's all good again.

Stock 4.1.2 is working "fine" (if you want to call stock fine :p)

Im now on a different radio so lets see if that solves the signal bar issues etc.

I'll flash pulsers latest version an report back, every second on TouchWiz is just horrible.

Update: Allright! I'm back up and running. Everything works so far, no lags, no freezes, market works, signal bar works :)

Crapdate: Phone is not working -.-, no audio, no mic, no nothing. Nothing a reboot couldn't fix. :victory:

Oh and I forgot: It feels SOO clean now :p
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] brenuga:
Please spare us the drama. I dont see CM as removing features at all. Hello, blacklisting and SE Linux. Yes they may remove some of the tweaks but devs can always revert the removals or add them back. Sounds like all RC was trying to do is make the Settings menu less cluttered, which is one of Paranoid Android's stated goals. if you want all kinds of settings menu tweaks, go run rootbox or xenon HD. Cyan at least is trying to integrate some user interface best practices into their ROM.

Also, please go read the book "Who Moved My Cheese?", it will help you to not be so anal when things in your work/life environment change.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] albsat:
I found that the camera in slim bean rom, which is based on 4.3 doesn't crash on back camera view . I wish we could have the same experience as in that rom...
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] mrjayviper:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=44758804&postcount=573

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=44759278&postcount=575

never saw a reply from the OP for these 2 replies. He did reply to others made after these 2 above.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
Actually these issues go a lot deeper than just this. I suggest reading the most recent few landofdroid posts.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] rashid.fairus:
why I see many cm fanboy posting in our device's thread? what have u done pulser?:p

via Note2
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Zanr Zij:
Good Rom! I love this early 4.3 on my Note 2. Now daily use with Devil kernel :)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] nitrous²:
Long story short; he's become some sort of Edward Snowden of the CM team...at least, that's what it felt like to me at first. But I'm not sure anyomre. I'd like to quote Jimi Hendrix

"...There must be some kind of way out of here,

Said the joker to the thief,

there's too much confusion,

I can't get no relief...."

Now you know, don't you? If not, read a few pages back.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Formhault:
Battlestar Galactica. :victory:
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] mrjayviper:
If you bothered to read the links I mentioned, they are just talking about facts.

---------- Post added at 10:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 PM ----------

The impression I get that pulser_g2 is not part of the cm team. He's just an outsider trying to dictate someone else's direction. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe a link to cm affiliation if he's really a part of cyanogenmod? Thanks
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Formhault:
I don't know who this Pulsar you're talking about is :)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] mrjayviper:
I edited my reply. I misread the name. I was taking about pulser_g2. Is he an official member of the cm team? If yes, link please?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] nitrous²:
I don't think I've said he'd be one.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] mrjayviper:
Assuming you are correct then he has no say in whatever direction cyanogenmod wants to take then. Don't you agree?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
I followed pulsers suggest to read on www.landofdroid.com and this: http://cyngn.com looks badass right? :D

Interesting things may be coming up.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Formhault:
I think this should end. This is a development thread, ROM-related, not CM related in general.

Pulser's intensions are good. He's no terrorist. CM's intentions are good, too, they're no terrorists. Until further evidence is revealed... let's keep it cool :)

Good thing is we have Pulsar on our side so whatever settings CM will remove, he will be there to reinclude :D
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] mrjayviper:
From what I recall, pulser_g2 was the one who brought it up.

I never understood why pulser_g2 even brought it up since he can easily bring it back. The sources are there.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] nitrous²:
3301
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] mrjayviper:
Cyanogenmod is a not for profit compared to Qualcomm though. Bad comparison. I'm sure there are other differences out there to make it a bad comparison too.

Probably, cyanogenmod is open source so put pulser_g2 could've just brought back the missing settings without complaining.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
To topic: I do have some strange BT problems.

Somewhen, if I reconnect my headset... and make a call... it just crashes... first, the call seems ok, but no audio ...when I press the disconnect, it crashes. battery removing was currently the most successfull solution.

give us a break with false interpretations, made in your own mind.

to dictate? really? take your meds.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] nitrous²:
Making profit or not, that's not the point!

Back to topic please, NOW!
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Formhault:
Nope. Formhalt didn't sound nice :silly:

Sent from hyperspace

---------- Post added at 07:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:18 PM ----------

I take you are okay with the path CM allegedly is going? Flash the official build then. Oh wait...

Sent from hyperspace
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
I'd recommend my method :p, back to stock 4.1.2, then install cm again.

Pretty much everything is better now, and the battery life is for some reason awesome.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Mazda:
You're right, it takes a special type of elite-ness to git revert commits hahaha

BUT I do agree with you, this stuff has gone on long enough.

Hate to sound like a broken record but the fact that this thread has gone this long shows more hypocrisy on the part of XDA.

You guys all know that if any thread not belonging to an admin would of gone almost 10 pages of complaining and useless chatter, a moderator would of been here telling us all to STFU and get back on topic blah blah blah issue a "last warning" and would of deleted all our posts........BUT again, hypocrisy wins

Is a shame, I was actually beginning to believe that XDA was changing it's ways.....guess the only thing that's true is that only a few moderators follow the same rules they enforce :/