yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
What exactly does gapps has to do with Bluetooth?

Bluetooth is also broken here, few fc more the type of "connections simply don't work" as in between my devices and phone. Clock and headset.

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
Yes, that is resolved if I return to the CM bluetooth software. Theirs is not working with keyboards though :/
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] lu1gj3s:
There's no harm in trying a proper flash is there? Have you flashed it properly or did you do a dirty flash?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
As this will be my daily driver, and I gathered my crap load of bought and useful apps, as long as I had a play market in my old Rom, this is the cleanest install I ever made, sir.

Reset before and after flashing. No experiments between, just restoring most needed apps, proper xprivacy installation and latest superuser.

The installation is 24h old and has minor glitches, all are known and communicated. Btw is it at least a small pain in the neck, to setup the os properly. (Settings could really use a more user-friendly sorting ;).

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
Thank you for your answer.

And, yes the international news (Snowden, NSA, Prism, the UK "porn" filter and more) are really bad last few months and I'd say more will get revealed.

Now the most important question is: What is going to change?

I knew it was prohibited to include gapps in the rom because of the liscense, didn't think about it.

I agree, and I also think it could get (maybe already is?) dangerous if google has control over all these things (only one company in control is always bad news, imo) but as I allready said: Gapps do work pretty good and even if you use another mail, maps, etc. The play store and the google framework are not that easy to replace I think.

WLAN turns blue on my phone, don't know about the other two. (I'm abroad so no data connection and I don't use bluetooth often.)

Don't they (WLAN/WAN) only turn blue when connected to the google services and not when connected to the internet in general?

Hope so, too.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] $ideWinder:
The rotation issue still persists ... right? Coz most of the apps act all weird and stretched out on rotation. Specially whatsapp. :silly:
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
Yep, issue is still there..
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
Interesting information with the color of the connection icons. Can anyone confirm or deny it?

And for the replacements of the google framework: As stated earlier, google push service is missing... this is a loss in comfort.

Everything else is replaceable (some backend services and or infrastructure given). Market is kinda problematic.. but you can use backuped tools or alternatave markets... commercial e.g. Amazon. It is not good, and Amazon is - privacy concerned, the same evil. BUT it seems, as you can strip of nearly all rights and it still works. At least as I tested.

I have to admit, I feel some kind of relieved being finally rid of tw, gapps and all the other crap. Think I will have to change my point of view related to my phone.

Away from the "consumer device" with daily updates and here and there app searching for "there must be an app for it", to a "feature phone" with my chosen apps, without annoying and sometimes useful updates, but with some time to spend.. every 8 weeks or like the needs are.... to have a look whats worth updating. then roll a gapps backup in, update apps, backup them... roll the recently "live system" back and updating the apps I need. Or maybe... I start to use my phone as it is and stay with it, since something big happens.

Also it takes some more effort, not buying the apps in the market, but instead direct at the devs and vendors.. good thing here: more money for them, not for google ;).
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] rashid.fairus:
the topic for "gapps and privacy" getting really hot right now:p

got some opinion to tell, in android world, we got two major and totally different between them,"normal user" and "advanced user", or you can call other name as well, so basically normal user is just use a phone in normal and uncomplicated way, phone call-messaging-surfing web-play games-Watching vids-socialize, they need some source of service that can provide all the things they need without having to cluttering their brain off, so there is Google, and all the products they made for these normal user, so if you think they can live without gapps, you're totally wrong, they need it, so all the privacy were gone, so what to do? switch to iphone? well Apple the worst, being a closed source make them invulnerable, thats why iphone only got "normal user", what you see is what you got.

"advanced user", you cant called yourself advanced user just because you rooted your phone, flash roms, got it themed,overclocked, bla bla bla,no!! advanced user is a user that use their phone in more complicated ways, control the phone, not being controlled by the phone, more independent.

so for me, let the normal user do as they want, because nothing we can do to make them run away from gapps and secure their privacy, coz they wont, but what we can do is to educate them, to be more advanced, and get full control of their privacy, I hope:)

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
[MENTION=265865]crypta[/MENTION] [MENTION=4372460]rashid.fairus[/MENTION]

Thank you for the interesting discussion, maybe the best so far on xda ;). Appreciate you took the time to explain everything.

I agree with pretty much said by rashid.fairus, and I'll consider myself a "normal user" for the moment, but I'll sure keep the privacy issues in mind.

Let's see how it all develops...

And at the moment it would just be too much work, getting everything going without gapps, especially because I enjoy flashing every new version of the rom I use :p.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
Thank you. I am very happy about the discussion also. Especially within the context of this thread, it gives many people a general discussion of daily things, while we all enjoy the great work of pulser_g2 and following our common interest: great & new tech stuff for our tools and toys.

And if just one person thinks seriously of the discussion and maybe will make his or her conclusions - it's a success.

One thing I recognized today. Despite the minor glitches this Rom has, showed my struggle with some apps earlier this day, another benefit of having less creepy frameworks.

The moment I finished my application struggle,I didn't use the phone that often today..back to normal use, finally.

I considered to charge the battery to getting through the day..but the idler power consumption seems amazing. Which could also be related to 4.3, of course.

My comparison is carbon 4.2, so I can't say for sure.

If I am through with my build up, I think I'll do a brief how to.

sadly you need more than just your phone and leaving out gapps to compensate at least the most of the comfort your are losing with not using Google.

Feedback to this Rom so far: great, no FCs (as long no Bluetooth devices are involved) and my appcount (measured in sum, e.g.at dalvik cache rebuild is round about 181).

Bluetooth headsets and car and I can live with it as it is.

Custom search engine interface would be great, or at least duckduckgo.com and some other alike.

Correct Graphics would be a nice to have (rotation and such glitches)

After this comes luxury ;)

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
[MENTION=265865]crypta[/MENTION]

Yes, I think the discussion really gives people a good overview, over these privacy concerns we discussed (provided they take the time and read all posts).

Also it's nice to see a device/rom thread without stupid (= one search on xda to get an answer) questions e.g. "How do I install this?" all the time :p.

If you are going to make a thread about this (cm without gapps) send me that link, pls or maybe post it here :). Will be interesting to read, also you should consider to include some of the points we discussed to give people a better view on why you don't use gapps etc.

About the rom:

I didn't find any new bugs, graphic glitches are annoying :/ also I'd like to be able to use focal as lockscreen camera which currently doesn't work for me.

Have you found out anything about the WLAN/WAN turning blue?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
The icon colour change to blue is for when the Google push service is connected. No Google, no blue... At least right now ;)

Exactly. By the way, there are open source browser plug-ins for chromium/chrome (the former being fully open source) desktop browser, for downloading free app APKs on your pc. Saves putting Google services near your phone
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
I intend to change search engine and home page to use either startpage.com or duckduckgo. I find ddg gives really poor search results though, so am hesitant to install that as the default...

I do think it would be beneficial to set the default page to something non Google. Perhaps I should set up a small information page for the "layman" called, "why isn't my Google here?", explaining the reason in simple terms, offering them alternatives, and finally a way to get Google back?

Thoughts? Also feel free to comment on your thoughts between ddg and startpage.com. I personally would prefer to include the latter due to being European, and having better results, and being externally audited. I am only aware of dog's search results, but I felt them much poorer. I'm sure it can be an inbuilt option though!
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
I actually started a set of xda portal news articles about saying sayonara to Google apps, and showing off alternatives like OwnCloud etc.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
Oh, I have seen that :), I wasn't aware they were written by you.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] fake_japanese_guy:
I have been using ddg for some time now.. never had an issue with it. never tried startpage.com though..

regarding the accuracy of ddg search, i think you have to get accustomed to it for getting better results. it needs more keywords than google, but it will do the thing in the end.

just my 2cents.. keep up the good work pulser_g2..
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] paarkhi:
Link to "Say Sayonara to Google Apps" series

https://www.xda-developers.com/tag/say-sayonara/
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] babakhad:
Thanks for this great ROM

I enable softer keys and know I want to disable hard buttons is there any way to disable them

Thanks
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] rashid.fairus:
+1 for the new thread, keep this thread just for pulser's rom:)

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Formhault:
Was wondering why your nickname sounded familiar :p

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
:)

Interesting. I have seen nice features on DDG. On my PC, it's one of my "start tabs", along with news and such like. But I find I rarely use it, simply because it gives poorer results per keystroke of query :)

I don't mind either way.

:)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
Yeah, the ddg search results are abit..strange.anyone knows how to get only newer results?

I don't care which search engine is default at least as some with respected privacy are available :).

To own thread vs. Here: I think both is useful in its own ways.

The discussion here also targets people not searching for it and so are people, who aren't aware of this discussion. So there is a greater chance of spreading the word.

A own thread has the possibility to go deeper into the details.

So I prefer the combination, as the audience is wider.

Plus I think this Rom is a great start to implement a new use case. Pulser_g2 seems to be great aware of the need for privacy and some changes we all could use within our Android roms.

So I'm very happy to have him as maintainer/dev of this Rom, as I'm having a great thrust to him to do the right thing.

Most of the other roms are more about features and graphics, this is nice, but not what I'm looking for.

In my experience, the topic safety and privacy alone don't generate much feedback. At least not in the past. Maybe I started things wrong, with to less knowledge. Since I had invested some time for building a high secure environment - and still am - I realized how big this topic is and how much work it must be for people not used to network, coding and social engineering stuff.

Even for me the topic seems endless, and I'm in the it business for 15 years.

So I appreciate the existence of this Rom-maintainer-discussion thread pretty much. And finally have a Rom to feel good with.

Also today evening runs smooth and without hitches. As I seldom use landscape mode, I rarely have any complains (beside Bluetooth :P)

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] babakhad:
Hi again

Why phone numbers devide by "-" in people contacts , i like numbers just show without any devider
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] emprize:
have u try set locale?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
Apropos locale, it's there a way to separate formats and language. I like to use software in English as most translations suc.. aren't that good, but I would like to have my specific formats (e.g can't translate Fahrenheit..And I won't get used to it).

Beside I searched today for a good webdav client and am a little disappointed of what I found.So I felt the need to use closed software again and bought foldersync. Besides of being closed source it seems pretty good and does what I need.

So, with CalDAV, CardDAV and WebDAV enabled, I now feel the same comfort untrustworthy cloud providers (like Google) give me, but within a self controlled environment. (Which safety is just limited by my time, knowledge and of course the safety of my server in the rack)

It is hard to admit, but also it gives some convenience to have a 3rd party market installed to get paid apps with some comfort.

And as long as x privacy is doing its job, at least the harm is limited.

Beside this: I sadly was unable to get any version of available apk downloader successful up and running.

What could be improved at this Rom is the "blinking" of input bars. But even with the minor glitches there it is no dealbreaker.

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Helga365:
Hi, is multiuser possible to this nice Rom?

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] albsat:
[MENTION=2178960]pulser_g2[/MENTION]

A kind suggestion. Please change the link name cause it says still 2 August.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
Multi user is gapps related, or?

I can't find the option for it.

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] dzontra11:
Just one question..... Still problem with glitches?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
As far as I know it is currently only enabled on tablets, however it should be possible to activate

it on phones as well.

Edit: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-phones-offers-hope-for-future-functionality/

Yes, there hasn't been a new version.

Btw. Preview in recent apps doesn't work all the time for me.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
If I remember right it didn't always show images in carbon Rom too. So I won't call this an issue.

But yes, still same with some glitches.

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] dzontra11:
Yep, I see now....:mad:
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] dzontra11:
Somebody have a problem with"can't connect to camera"?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
Yep, after taking one picture with the 4.3 camera, the camera screen freezes. If you then close and open camera again you can't connect.

Use focal, it works.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
3rd party camera apps also are working.

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
Question: Does everyones compass work? Mine is off by up to 90°, or it spinns around randomly, GPS and gyroscope both work fine.

Recalibrating using the Compass app from the play store doesn't work.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] $ideWinder:
Delete your gallery2. Reboot into recovery and flash this

Please let me know if it works.

The first time I used Gps Status the compass was crazy! Kept going round in circles. It's okay now but still off by a few degrees.

Is anyone having charging issues? When I receive a notification such as gmail or whatsapp, I notice that it doesn't start charging till the notification is cleared. I plugged in my phone before going to bed last night when it was at 12%. Got up after 8 hrs or so and it's only 20%.:confused: Only thing there was a gmail notification. My battery and charger are fine BTW.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] babakhad:
What exactly u mean , if local lang u mean i set it to English(us) always
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
can't say anything related to the compass - never got thrust in it anyway. so yes, could be better.

related to the charging issue: everything fine here.

but also this remembers me at some issues users had with carbon rom nightlies. They also complained about a "slow" loading phone, but also there a few had it, most not.

(don't get me wrong, it is not my intension to make them look bad - but as I used carbon for a while and only this.. I can't tell whats a general CM or a carbon specific problem is)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
I have also tried this, didn't work :(.

I have seen the guys over at paranoid had the same camera problem and they recently fixed it with their newest gapps version.

(Problably going to use PA... it's awesome, I love the halo feature :D.)

Btw. Which roms have you guys tried so far? I really like cm but I also like to try out other roms as I was using cm from version 9 to 10.2 on all my devices..

PAC looks interesting as well.. so hard to decide :p

For the moment it will either be CM or PA/AOSPA as they are on 4.3.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
To be honest,I didn't notice much difference between carbon and this one.

Of course it is important for this point off viewer, that I don't care halo. Mostly all other features I liked ate also found in plain cm, as I surprisingly noticed as I switched to this Rom.

So it depends on your use cases.Also stated,I don't use gapps, so I am not the one feature driven decision maker. I miss my Bluetooth connection in this one. But I it is ok for me to wait for this, as I can use it for normal other stuff.

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
Build with "working" bluetooth for you guys is built, just being tested.

I have added startpage to a few regions, and duckduckgo should already be present as an option. For now, default search engine in the "address bar" is startpage, unless user chooses differently. A future version will also change the homepage to some mobile-friendly explanation about why google isn't the homepage.

Latest build should help a fair bit with any issues. Unfortunately I have yet to manage to fix bluetooth to work for both HID devices, and "headsets" etc. So for now, builds posted will work for the headsets, as that seems to be what most people want.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] supramon:
Hey guys,

I've installed this rom for about 4 days now and my battery life sucks ... If I go to sleep at 100% battery it will be at about 88% when I wake up the next day and in the battery settings it's "android platform" who is draining the battery, Can anyone give me some tips to improve it on this rom ?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
Use better battery stats to find the culprit wakelock :)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
10th Aug posted
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] dzontra11:
Changelog?
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] wtr_dhd:
Yes. A changelog and buglist in OP would be highly appreciated and avoid people asking the same questions sh*tloads of times :)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] dzontra11:
Changelog?:)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Formhault:
YES! That's the word we've mentioned several times these past few posts! :headbang:
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] pulser_g2:
I don't have a changelist at present, I suggest you use the main CM changes to see what is new.

When I decided we needed to get this working on the N7100, the device tree was not ported for 4.3, and nothing was ready. So in essence, the changelog is that things work. In this latest build, I reverted back to AOSP bluetooth stack, so it should fix bluetooth issues.

There's nothing significant beyond that, which I can think of, other than upstream changes.

I know some other ROMs will make claims of "9000 times faster", "added linaro, NO LAGS ANYWHERE" etc, but I'm not in for that kind of showboating. Generally, I find changelogs simply raise unfair expectations. It is what it is, a 98% working ROM, which is easily usable for day-to-day use in my and others' experience. There is a bug tracker above (black toolbar from DevDB) that I welcome issues to be posted on. It's better we use that, as others can contribute to it, than me try to maintain a list.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] alexng2208:
thank you for your tireless effort in maintaining the ROM!

supporting all the way from Malaysia! :cowboy::cowboy::cowboy:
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] dzontra11:
Changelog.... really?:)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Helga365:
The signal strength from the phone in the status bar is not shown! only the empty image. Can anyone please help.

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] oscar682:
Hi, Anyone having a problem with Front Camera Rear camera works fine. But when I switch to Front it just stuck there and if launch again it says Unable to connect. And then reboot and same problem again. Thanks
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
No problem here. Did you delete cache and dalvik?

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] Helga365:
Clearing the cache.. has not brought the desired result. I think the image is okay, but the signal arrives with 0%, although the effective strenght is 100%..

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
I got the same problem. Also in-call audio doesn't work sometimes.

And maybe I'm staying with cm :p PAC on my N7 is just too slow, same with PA.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
Under which circumstances audio fails? Did just only some calls and so far I encountered no problems. Also Bluetooth headset worked fine.

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[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] albsat:
Using latest banks 4.3 gaaps , I don't have fc on keyboard.
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] AlienSr1:
People can hear me but I can't hear them.. I'll have to test that again when I'm at home. (2days)
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] sebtorres82:
Some bugs

The stock 4.3 camera FC when taking a photo, but other 3rd party cameras are working well. My stock camera is the one with the photosphere that I flash myself. Also some apps doesnt show up completely and instead show a black square, other than that the ROM is well done!
[Galaxy Note II Original Android Development] crypta:
There were such a bug in cm 10.1, when you try to phone soon after boot...or just from time to time. Never figured it really out. Bluetooth increased the problem. Maybe related?

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