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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hollovoid:
Anybody know what he means by that? I've been following the community for a while, more so now that I own an S4, and I don't remember anybody biting the hand the feeds them, I mean, there are ridiculous people on every phone's forum, sounds like has a vendetta against this phone personally for no good reason to me.

Aaaand I pretty much found my answer, he thinks people take work for granted... well NO CRAP. Seriously, every phone ever has people who do this, no need to be sore over it!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] resurektz:
I just laugh everytime I see that comment if we took work for granted their wouldnt be 5k bounty or people sending phones to people so they can dev on the s4

Sent from my Bonestock S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hollovoid:
Agreed, for every one person that "takes work for granted" there are 10 that genuinely appreciate it, is just generally the ridiculous ones post more, and are more visible because of it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Cruiserdude:
I've been around the Android community awhile now, and I wouldn't read too much into "op-ed" type comments from P3 if I were you. Pay attention to real information, ignore the rest.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Febby:
Maybe this prototype on ebay of an i337 can help lol

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=111169846049
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] j510:
Too bad its not even an i337....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Febby:
Its a prototype of an i337 if im reading correctly.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] j510:
That's funny. When I originallu clicked the link it was a tmobile galaxy s4 with a shattered screen. Now when I reclicked it just now, it was the prototype i337 you mentioned
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] PetrichorXFi:
That's my fear... That everyone may assume the next guy is working on it.... But what if there is no "next guy"... If you have Dev skills, please.... BE that guy and free us all! :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] thejulianath20:
Hashcode is freeing us right now! Follow his 2 threads for safestrap!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bloodcrav:
Thats the big problem around here "assuming" its great people are finally trying instead of making assumptions.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] UK_Wildcats_Fans:
It did the same thing for me

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http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2428226 - under the General section

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2441441 - In the Development section
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] denmalley:
yeah there's actually two links there. Click the one on the left you get the tmo phone, to the right and you get the 1337
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] artjef:
Unlocked Bootloader

So with the lack of movement and posts, should this be considered a dead possibly?:(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Metallice:
Hey at least the One X got s-off! Woohoo...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DraconicSeed:
I guess the "price cuts" that carriers offer are what gets to me.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] xs11e:
I think so.

Safe Strap works so be thankful for that.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bad Bimr:
Got my HTC One yesterday and the GS4 is on Craigslist! Came from a Galaxy Nexus and the locked bootloader is the deal breaker. Have SS installed but all the roms are TW based and not my style as i love AOSP! Hopefully they will hack the bootloader before the phone sells as I do like the phone.

BB
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] masri1987:
HTC one is unlockable? Dam that is a real dam shame for the S4 to be locked but HTC unlocked. Upside down land.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bad Bimr:
My understanding was HTC allowed users to partially unlock the bootloader. S-Off is what you need in HTC land to be 100% unlocked and for HTC One s-Off has been achieved. Love my GS4, screen is amazing but TW is crap. Hope bootloader unlock is achieved :)

BB
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] keith843:
As a user of both htc and samsung devices, i love htc. But the non external storage kills me. Why i switched back to galaxy.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] keith843:
Now, if im impatient and have my s4 jtagged to unlocked. Can i still flash mdk kernels and roms? Im used to having full access from s-off
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] trook:
Yes you can JTAG back to MDK.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] masri1987:
So can't you jtag to MDK from me7?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] keith843:
Mobiletechvideos.com
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Alxoom33:
Can they J tag an MDK device back to an unlocked Developer's Edition, LOL? :p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bad Bimr:
Has anyone gone the Jtag method? As there is a thread here on XDA that has gone stale because it was not working.

This would be an option as I like this phone more than my unlocked HTC One and would rather keep it than sell it.

I called them to ask as the secretary was not sure said to call back later wen her supervisor was back from lunch.

Thanks
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] masri1987:
and i just called them and they told me they can't because it trips a 'fuse' , i'm assuming a security check, she said she had literally checked with her 'supervisor'

well fellas, looks like this S4 is gonna have to go up for sale lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] agtsoul:
Nogo JTAG downgrade Mobiletechvideos.com

I called Mobiletechvideos.com today aswell and got the same thing from the sec. I just got off the phone with her sup and was told its not possible. :(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] masri1987:
Looks like we must acquire a g2 or HTC one to achieve our AOSP dreams.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bad Bimr:
Has to do with the qfuse

Check thread here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2437635
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shabbypenguin:
And i just laugh every time i read people that dont know what they are talking about.

You guys had a dry run with locked bootloaders on the s3, thanks to a leaked file there was a way around it. the note 2 was exploited by Ralekdev and once again verizon users were able to enjoy a device. this time around a lot of promises were made by various people, but it wasnt until dan rosenberg showed off what he had achieved that everyone got excited. he held off on pushing out his exploit for a month, att users flipped out that they had to wait a month for it, i mean who the hell was this guy who had rooted so many phones to hold stuff like this hostage? but he wanted to make sure to get verizon users in on it and confirm it worked for you guys. thats when he released loki, and suddenly he had people flipping out on both carriers at him.

you see people were expecting a full bootloader unlock and thus demanded one because that's what they wanted, so a line was drawn and many people talked crap about dan calling him a fraud and a liar (when in actuality he never claimed he had an unlock). people denied paying him from the bounties because his work wasnt what they wanted, many "respected devs" called him out and talked down about his work.

of course a few months later and the ota hit and people were begging him to redo loki and make it work, because while they had no qualms about talking badly and how it wasnt what they wanted, it was at least something they could use. ironically enough, a similar situation happened on the LG OG Pro just a few months later, where he stepped in and asked if loki would be acceptable and when he was told yes he presented it fully working and then got told by half the community no it doesnt qualify.

IMO that is the very definition of biting the hand that feeds you. im writing this to inform people, it may not have been you or anyone you know, but the people on these devices decided the fate for future owners. no amount of pleading with people or writing and begging is going to change their minds, just serve to further annoy them so i would suggest against it.

im not pointing fingers or calling out names, just know this was the situation. heck even the g2 enjoys aosp because of dan and loki (LG apparently isnt capable or caring enough to patch against it, which is kind of scary in its own right.) but could at any time suffer the same fate this device has where loki gets blocked.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jeboo:
Great post shabby, I think people are starting to realize not everything is "hackable." The mindset needs to change to stop supporting manufacturers/carriers that lock their devices down. I know this will be my last BL-locked device..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jayrod76:
Very well said! I am very thankful for Dan's exploits. Having been a Moto Omap user ( Bionic and RAZR) Dan went out of his way for a while keeping the ability to root. I bought my S4 knowing 2 things.

1 ,because of Dan's work,we had a workaround for the boot loader to allow for a custom recovery that for myself,was much better than having nothing.

And 2 . This exploit was not a full unlock and would be patched very quickly via OTA. I am very thankful for the work of all devs,especially those who bust their a$$e$ to find a happy median whether it be Loki or Safestrap. Hashcode made having a bionic/RAZR with locked boot loaders much more usable.

Although I entered into the world of Sammy somewhat expecting similar results that the previous models had,I'm definitely not complaining!

My next phone will not be a carrier phone...too much red tape and hoops in order to have the ability to do what I want with my phone.

Sent from my Platyraptor extreme ultra maxxxx 4gLTE/GSM/ABC/123 Nick Knack Pattywack Ermegherd GED, MD,RNA,DNA,YMCA Edition S4! Via the 4th dimension....NOW RUNNING CARBON
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] graydiggy:
Well... Hate to burst the bubble here, but everything is hackable at some level. I think it has gotten to the point of devs not caring anymore because of people coming to XDA expecting others to do what they want and not contributing a single post to helping. Hell, I'm tired of helping people myself. Too many idiots coming in and demanding this, and being too lazy to search for that. I personally wish I had the skill of our devs, but at the same time I am glad I don't. Believe me when I say I am extremely happy and grateful for all the work that has been put out there to give us the full potential of our phones.

XDA started as a development site. But unfortunately it has drifted to the site all noobs run to because they don't want to learn.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sub1287:
If you value root and an unlocked bootloader.... buy unlocked.... its that simple. People like Dan have been saying this for ages now, yet no one seems to learn.

accelerated [mako]
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SomeGuyDude:
You'd almost think most people don't have $700 to drop on a phone or something.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sub1287:
Still paying it through subsidies anyways. :rolleyes:

There are more and more affordable options popping up. If it matters to you you really have only one option and that's paying to play.

Hell selling your subsidized phone and buying another seems like a good option too.

accelerated [mako]
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
I think this will become the only option if you want to have the best hardware and ability to mod....sorry to say but enterprise level customers vs handful of modders is a no brainer for service providers and phone manufs.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
Someone finally speaks logic.

Question for the complainers....what do you think is the purpose of developer phones?

take what you get on consumer phones. If an exploit is found then that's great for us, but don't start bashing the manufacturer or service provider.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
I know reality is tough but phones can be locked down and right now manufacturers are meeting the demand of the service providers and their customers representing their major income stream. Be glad that Dev phones will probably always be available...

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
I know people have this knee jerk reaction against "600 dollar phones" when people mention buying unlocked. If you're stuck on VZW, your options are more limited. For example, Nexus isn't an option. Moto, however, has made great strides in the last month on this subject. They now allow you to finance a DE over 18 months with no finance charges. With AT&T moving to a model where you no longer "subsidize" a phone if you don't buy it from them, it makes MUCH more economic sense than it did in the past. Maybe Samsung will move to this model some day, as well. As well as VZW allowing lower cost plans when you don't buy a phone from them. In any case, the "600 dollar phone" excuse is coming to a close as more options become available.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SirHoover2010:
I wish I could finance a phone and not have to renew my contract though. I hate Verizon....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Well that's my point, you can. If you get a Moto DE, then you can finance the phone through them for 18 months. It's not going through VZW so you're not forced into a new contract. The PROBLEM with this is that VZW hasn't yet caught on to the fact that people aren't going to pay the same prices for service when they BTOD vs subsidizing one with a new contract. So until they do that, the economics are still a bit unbalanced. AT&T and T-Mobile have figured it out. In fact I need to go switch my plan with AT&T since I'm off contract and BMOD (The S4 GPE). That's 15 bucks off per month. What people fail to realize is that you're paying 600 for the phone anyway. It's just built into your contract. So why not pay for a phone you LIKE rather than one that's locked down and forces you into a crappy contract?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JeeperDon:
I agree with Samuri above. For VZW, buying a S4 dev phone is not really a sensible option when you can get a non-dev for less than $50, and pay the same price for service. I would love an unlocked S4, but not at +$600 (I think they are $650?).

I feel the whole industry, both sides, would benefit from separating the finance aspect of hardware and service. VZW justifies the contract idea though by people understanding the phone subsidy is included, and the contract is a big part of what keeps people with VZW. They could rephrase the contract marketing to be "You can buy month to month at $x, or get a 15% discount with a two year contract. We also have nice finance plans on new phones any time you want a new one."

I've been with VZW since Feb 1996. I for one would stay with them in a no-contract environment because they also have the best coverage, which is important to me.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
The industry is shifting away from subsidized phones. The AT&T CEO basically admitted that it's not profitable and the industry can't sustain it. It really is a bad deal for everyone. Why? Because it hides the true cost of the phone so that we get the "I can't afford a 600+ phone" people. No, you can't afford it ALL AT ONCE. You're still paying that price for the phone....you're putting a down payment on it when you "buy it" and then are locked into a contract that subsidizes the rest of it over a 24 month period. In the end, it comes down to people sucking at math. LOL. :) Now that T-Mobile and AT&T offer no contract pricing that removes the subsidy, the options are wide open. VZW has no choice but to follow suit. The boon for consumers is we're no longer tied to a contract and can switch companies at any point without penalty. Once everyone moves to LTE only phones, we may yet see a phone that works on any network just by dropping in a new simcard. That's when the real competition starts. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
Also,a smart phone is not a necessity but rather a luxury. Nobody is forcing anyone anyone to chalk up $600 for a phone. They can just spend 50 bucks on an older model or whatever and use it to get by. Should we complain about the prices of Porches as well?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sparky697:
You can always buy used as well and save some cash that way. Moto can really change the game with their financing. With that and a phone that works on multiple carriers you are really not locked in. If you finance with T-Mobile or Att even though you don't have a contract you have to pay off phone if you cancel service but not if you financed through manufacturer.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ABOsborn20:
I don't really have a problem spending the money on a phone, 500+, it is literally the only thing in my life I use every single day (besides my toothbrush and contacts). People will go out and spend 450-2k on a computer, but not on a phone. Just baffles me.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] belovedson:
this thread is way off topic. but um i suggest you do some reasearch before asserting information above. att, verizon, make plenty of money with or without subsidies.

dont be fooled by the ceo's words. they would simply to make more money. that money comes from you and the comment above helps them steal even more money from us
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Yea, it really sucks that I pay 25 bucks a month less for not having a subsidized phone. LOL.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] graydiggy:
Having a subsidized phone has its perks. Extra features, cheap upgrades, full warranty from multiple different sources, better/more up to date supported phone's, discounts from my job or my wife's job, etc, I gladly pay a little extra for all the extra stuff. I know off contract does have its benefits, but it pales in comparison to getting a full blown package of stuff.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Cruiserdude:
Not trying to be contrary, but how do you figure that you have extra features and better updates with a carrier subsidized version of a phone than the unlocked version??

And you seem to be an advocate of subsidies, yet you have a GPe S4? I have a Verizon S4, and I'd love for it to be the GPe, but I have my reasons for staying on Verizon so I have no choice as far as hardware. Again, not arguing, just a little confused.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] graydiggy:
Better features in terms of what I get from my provider, update hit subsidized phones first.

I have a i337 running a 4.4 GPE ROM. And even if I had a GPE S4,i would still have a contract phone because I would still have certain things that off contract phones do not have.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] belovedson:
hey lets not bash one another about having a contract or no contract. we are entitled to our own opinions. let's stay on topic
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sparky697:
Updates do not hit subsidized phones first. They hit the device whether you bought it outright or on contract. You are getting the exact same phone no matter how you purchase it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
To be fair, in the case of the S4 DE for VZW, it has never been updated. That doesn't make it a horribly useful device IMO. One would think, getting back to the goal of this topic, that having the bootloader unlocked would open the floodgates and allow anything, but, there are a bunch of problems hindering the DE's development. It just goes to show that having an unlocked bootloader is GOOD, but, doesn't guarantee a successful device.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jayrod76:
Yeah..the Dev got screwed. It's basically what I have on MDK support wise.

Picked the wrong time to go Sammy.

Sent from my Platyraptor extreme ultra maxxxx 4gLTE/GSM/ABC/123 Nick Knack Pattywack Ermegherd GED, MD,RNA,DNA,YMCA Edition S4! Via the 4th dimension....NOW RUNNING CARBON
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JeeperDon:
??? The point of popping the big bucks for a DE (at least for us XDA types) is to ROM the crap out of it. I had a Samsung Galaxy Nexus for two years until last month, and it was not locked and could get OTA loads from VZW, but no one (on XDA or Rootz) cared because we always had the latest OS anyway a week after the ASOP dropped.

I've said here before though, I for one hope they never unlock the S4. After the past 3+ years of being a crack-ROMer, I like my brain free from thinking of all the new ROM crap out there. Now I'm just using the S4 as a phone (though I did root it) and having a ball. Now if I could just forget the URL for XDA and Rootz, I'd be even better. :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
Whatever your opinion maybe I suggest you guys join/comment/read this reddit thread I posted yesterday. This is probably the biggest press were going to get. It was originally about Samsung not supporting dev devices but now has expanded to who to blame for locked devices..carrier or manufacturer? (1400+ karma and 500 comments in less than 12 hours..)

Enjoy the holidays!

Warning: Heavy trash talk against devs/modders/themers. I cant believe how unappreciative people are...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] gnubian:
Thanks for keeping this issue in the limelight. And truly thanks for your contributions to the s4 community! I'll head over and register/comment!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] thunderbls:
Some comments are quite entertaining IMHO lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] peanutbutter_rooter:
I got my S4 at the right time, MDK and had Hyperdrive, CM 10.1.3, 10.2, and now 11 nightlies. I've been trying to hold out on waiting for a good work around so I can get my wife off her crapple iphone, but now it looks like Samsung is just as bad.. I guess until Samsung changes there ways, they lost a customer (and so did Verizon). Going to Nexus devices next or maybe HTC again.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] gnubian:
You know you miss the cracks flashing! I remember you from the gnex forums on rootzwiki. (My username is barf on there). I do agree that this phone is very useable while only rooted, but I still want the choice.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nnbengboy2:
I understand fighting the addiction of crack-flashing. :) . But I think we should have the option. Personally, I just want vanilla aosp 4.4 so I can use an unhacked Google wallet with tap n pay. Plus I prefer vanilla over BloatWiz. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] whitesides:
Try this : http://blog.hash-of-codes.com/how-to-safestrap/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] monkton:
I was living in Singapore when the S4 came out and I got an international unlocked I9505 (in Singapore, carriers aren't allowed to lock anything). When I moved back to the US I got the Verizon S4. The international phone is so much better - there are so many ROMs to choose from and it's so easy to root and to flash them. God I miss that phone compared to this one.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] recDNA:
I would agree but then I assume we would lose all spen functionality?

Beamed from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nnbengboy2:
Yes, as far as I know the s pen special functions are lost. I think you might still be able to use it as a basic stylus though, someone else would have to confirm this though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bulvine420:
Iw ant a stock rom with great kernal sdcard swap and debloated I would be happy then.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Gator Brah:
lol never again will i be dumb enough to send back my unlocked phone. Had the GS4 on MDK for about a month before it got a cracked screen. Next time im paying someone to swap the screen on my replacement phone to the old one.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] swordmastr54:
And because of all of this I'm done with Samsung first of all and I joined Verizon on this phone and I will leave them as well.I've had a few Samsung phones and as much as I like the phone for them to do this just rubs me the wrong way and I will never return.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] biglil1:
Would this work? I downloaded it on my GS2 T989 but never used it then I got this phone so idk how true it is but its worth checking out for those on ME7. It doesn't flash Roms but should be good on everything else

Edit: Doesn't; I meant doesn't flash Roms. Didn't realize it said that. I changed it. Didn't mean to disinform.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2250555