[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Obsidian...:
Lake Orion huh? That's awesome. I just sold my Bloomfield Hills house and bought a house in Clarkston so my son can go to school here and I can help out my parents when they get a little older. If you told a younger me that I'd end up moving back to the town I grew up in (and closer to my parents) when I was 31 I would have laughed at you but things change I guess.

Oh and I'm not saying that Samsung, Qualcomm or any other manufacturer actually want their devices (or devices carrying their tech) locked. What I'm saying is that the Manufacturer matters when it comes to the way they are locked. It will effect the future of their devices with the same tech and whether or not we'll be able to find an unlock method.

If that's the way you've been reading what I've been saying no wonder we've not been seeing eye to eye. Clearly the fact that they are locked only has to do with VZW but how locked up they are has to do with the Manufacturers.

About the Lte thing all I know is my ten year old streams YouTube the whole way back and forth while I'm using Maps to Navigate and there is only one short 5 minute spot of bad data when I leave 115 and take Bear Lake Rd to 31. Now you could be right that the phone switches to 3g when I'm not paying attention. But I honestly haven't seen it. Clarkston, Flint, Saganaw, Bay City, Midland, Cadillac and then when I get to my lake (Bear Lake 45 mins NW of Cadillac and 45 mins SE of Traverse) I have full 4g.

If you have a place on torch you shouldn't be taking 10 and I'm no where near Traverse either. You should be taking 75 to 72. Which isn't even close to the same route. It is further up in the sticks and not close to any large cities. I went to WMU and my ex girlfriend's from GR and her family has a couple houses on Torch. They have a Log Cabin and Farm House in Bellaire too so I've made that trip many of times. Either for Boarding or Skiing at Shush or chilling on Torch in the summer.

Btw you're lucky you have a place there. Is it on Torch itself? That's by far and wide the most beautiful Lake in Michigan. Crystal clear 300ft deep and a badass sandbar on the South Shore.

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I wouldn't say that the people that are just now getting the S4 aren't part of the root/rom community. You have to remember that everyone's update times are different. A lot of people can't afford a $200 to $300 subsidized phone either. So they have to wait until it drops in price. Also the noobs that are getting into this for the first time won't even know that they bought the wrong device until it's too late.

You're right about Dan R though he is a god send. He's gone through this so many times that I think he's done with locked devices. I know I've heard(read) him say that a lot of times but he might mean it this time. Obviously if he could figure out a way he would've by now. You're right that there aren't that many devs looking for an unlock method. That's because there aren't that many people that even know how to unlock a phone.

Honestly get an otterbox lol. Oh and if you want to buy a dev edition just get your upgrade and sell it to pay for it. It'll still cost you a couple hundred but that's why that still works for the subsidize price.

One can only hope. But if it came be done it can't be done. Bottom line is you're not going to have 2 sets of devs for this phone

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