[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Obsidian...:
I said that the phone being locked doesn't effect the phones ability to be debloated (which was what that guy was complaining about) I mentioned that it doesn't affect your ability to flash roms because it doesn't. It can still flash any rom that is made for it. That goes for a recovery script as well (which I'm trying to get Hashcode to make for you guys if it can't be unlocked).

I get that you can't use the recovery or roms that were made for the unlocked device because of where things get installed or because they are trying to install both the kernel and rom.

If you buy a device outright then buy a Dev Ed. otherwise I don't know why they hell people would buy a phone outright from big red at close to if not same price. If you bought a phone off of swapa or Craigslist to keep your data plan then you have no guarantees. Not to mention I don't get why people are on here complaining about buying a locked device.

The people that are too lazy to spend 5 minutes researching whether the device they are on their way to buy got locked probably weren't a part of the roming world before but now they're coming here acting like the world just ended when they've only ever ran stock is nuts. Its either them or the people that aren't patient enough to let someone smarter than themselves take the ota first to make sure there is still a way to unlock.

We are a small percentage of the overall picture but we definitely cause the most problems. Do you think all the non moders are returning their perfectly good phones by intentionally soft bricking them, making up fake problems and purposefully lying to them? or writing the FCC? Nope and as you pointed out we ARE a small fraction of their users so they don't care about us and don't care if they do get rid of us... That's the whole point. They have the best network with the most amount of high paying subscribers so we don't matter.

Not to mention I'm pretty sure that selling the device locked from vzw is as secure as it'll ever be and if vzw had it their way all the manufacturers would use efuses. If the business is providing the devices then they clearly have ways of not allowing their employees to mod them. Most companies are BYOD now anyway so that theory doesn't really apply. They can also make it so that their work apps won't install on a rooted device etc... or use encryption

I don't disagree with you that it sucks. I was so used to having an unlockable device that I hated it when Moto w/Vzw locked up their devices. It killed me knowing that my Bionic was physically locked (with an efuse blow so we didn't even have a hope of getting unlocked) but with Bootstrap and then the wonderful SafeStrap we were able to de odex to get rid of the bloat as well as run custom roms. When Hash and DH got Kexec to work it became virtually unlocked again.

I'm just saying this is what vzw is going to do and if you don't like it switch networks or buy a dev ed. because it's only going to get worse. If we made up more than just a couple % of their subscribers they'd need us but as it sits we need them and they don't need us.

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---------- Post added at 11:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:38 PM ----------

I love that honesty gets knocked just because it doesn't suit our outrage. All I'm posting is the other side of it. We've been dealing with this as Moto users for years so I've heard it all. We've also done all that's possible to change Big Reds mind and it didn't work.

Shills? Really?

I don't own one but I'm still trying to help.

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