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[One (M7) General] jotha:
OK, guys, get back on topic.

Stop fighting each other for nothing or we have to step in, close this thread and hand out some goodies.

This thread is as good/useful or bad/useless as hundreds of others in general section. Basically this is what general section is for.

Of course this site is made by developers and for developers. In doubt we will always decide for them. That being said, every normal user has always been welcome and is of course allowed to voice his opinion inside the forum rules.

So that discussion is pointless (and as off-topic as it gets) and should end here.
[One (M7) General] henrybravo:
Your last sentence there kind of went off the rails, don't know where that came from, especially for someone with "ingenious 24/7" in their username complaining about other users supposedly feeling "intellectually superior".

These users voicing the same concerns over and over, on XDA of all places, about the lack of updates is not productive either. It would be sort of like standing in a car stereo shop meanwhile complaining to the employees that you don't like the way your stock car stereo sounds, then leaving the store and doing nothing about it.

There is no proof that people complaining about updates on XDA has changed anything. First, people are still complaining. Second, the reason why Google is updating apps individually is because they are dealing with a huge fragmentation issue and a huge competitor that has 95% of their phones updated to the latest OS. It's much easier for them to push out individual updates to their core apps than update the entire core OS and dealing with the manufacturers/carriers. Plus there's enough complaining in the overall tech press that I'm sure Google is more than aware of the problem. They don't need to see Joe's complaints on an Android rooting/developer forum to know this.

We will just agree to disagree, so you can go back to being amused and ingenious.

edit: sorry jotha, was typing this while you posted your warning. Close this sucker down.
[One (M7) General] ingenious247:
To the OP - try contacting HTC on their FB page, they seem to be pretty responsive there.

You may not get the answer you need, but if you pose the question in the right fashion, they will respond. I've seen them do it.

*to henrybravo

That comment was based on another users post that was cleaned before you saw it. Not directed at you

back on topic
[One (M7) General] io53:
No update = no kernel source = unhappy developers.

But you knew that right? You know, because of the URL thing.
[One (M7) General] Nippero:
I think this is the biggest point right here... Sure Google always intended on Android being open source and free, however that didnt mean manufacturers were obligated to make their devices unlock-able and release major updates.

I still remember the early days where devs would take bits and pieces from newer phones with a newer Android version in order to create a ROM with that Android version for older phones.

I believe even my G2 was like that.. Not sure how much has changed now since I dont follow things like I used to. But hey, it must be a lot easier since devs have the 4.2.2 kernel from the international HTC Ones.
[One (M7) General] KidCarter93:
Well it looks like I got to the party late ;)

Without bringing that whole discussing back up, I'll just say that the quote above isn't true at all.

The developers who founded XDA (and others of their kind) started to learn development because they wanted more out of their device or wanted something on it which wasn't available. At that point, there weren't any users except for other developers. That's how it worked.

Would the big name developers be as known as they are without the users using their work? Of course not but users aren't needed for someone to want to develop something.

Now as far as the thread goes, I understand the frustration but there's honestly no point. As others have said, it doesn't matter that you don't get official updates because you're on XDA. It takes a quick look into the development sub-forums to see what's available. Should you have to rely on XDA? No, but if you're not getting the update you want then it's common sense to get it a different way instead.

That's exactly what I did with mine. Rather than waiting for the 4.2.2 OTA to reach my phone (I'm in the UK so it would've took a while), I came on to XDA and flashed a 4.2.2 stock ROM as I actually prefer stock to AOSP etc ROMs.

Why is this even being mentioned here when it would serve it's purpose better if directed at HTC? As far as I know, there only 1 HTC employee on XDA (I can't remember their username though) but she's hardly ever active anyway, meaning that there's a high likelihood this'll be missed by its target audience.

SGS2 FAQ | HTC One FAQ
[One (M7) General] Aerys:
I wish HTC was like Sony, releasing sources for AOSP, delivering fast updates and more. Or Samsung, they are also very quick.

Damn. I dont get it... the One is their flagship device.
[One (M7) General] stirkac:
So you prefer laggy and incomplete software updates with lots of bugs? Believe me I had tons of smartphones and only HTC can come close to iPhone in terms of reliability. I've had samsungs crashing weekly (Omnia, GS, GS2, GS3, Xperia Arc, Xperia S), but my friend who bought One V (cheap phone) last year only turned it off once or twice since he has it, and it never crashed, stopped recieving calls or sms all of which I experienced on other phones. This is why I returned to HTC whith One, and I've been using it without a hitch since I got it.

Samsung and Sony may be faster updating than HTC, but they prefer quantity over quality. Whether this is good for HTC's sales and users is another long post...
[One (M7) General] markdexter:
Great point!! I've experienced the same. HTC , just works , simple as that
[One (M7) General] XxCE0xX:
You seem to be pretty selfish sir. A high amount of phone have to wait MONTHS for updates and you are sitting here complaining like an update is owed to you. What you paid for was a phone, a good phone at that., so don't go spouting crap about how HTC is somehow not good enough anymore because they (imo) don't owe you (or anyone) anything. Just saying. Also a lock on this thread would be nice seeing as OP obviously only posted something that is an attraction for flames.
[One (M7) General] ingenious247:
OP - evidently the Verizon HTC One will launch with 4.2.2 on Aug. 15th

I think the wait might almost be over.
[One (M7) General] monkeypaws:
What I'm confused is why would other carriers hold off their updated for the wait of another carrier's phone? If they are slow they should be left in the dust don't ha think? Or it could prompt them to push out the update before it gets launched so they don't look bad.
[One (M7) General] gunnyman:
Theres an argument on Android Central in the OP's thread there saying that HTC is beholden to the carriers even on their direct sold unbranded phones because they have to be certified for the carrier's LTE networks. This sounds like a bunch of crap to me. I think the main reason we haven't seen the update is because of all the turmoil HTC has been in lately has meant it's become a really crappy place to work and they have far fewer software engineers than they used to and the unlocked, unbranded phones are lowest priority because they have the fewest number of units sold.

Pure conjecture, but it kind of makes sense.
[One (M7) General] NextNexus:
Umm what? They release a flagship device with an older version of Android OS and said to expect the device updated to 4.2.2 "shortly." Over 3 months later and those of us who bought DIRECTLY from HTC with no carrier intervention still have yet to receive the update. If you're asking what features I want, those include quick settings, removal of the menu bar and additional Zoe video themes, just to name a few. I understand I can get most of these by changing ROMS (and I have in the past) but that doesn't justify HTC failing to deliver the update...ESPECIALLY when it was released in many other parts of the world. Instead of defending the company for no apparent reason, recognize that it's poor customer service and relations like this that make people think twice before buying a device from HTC. It's not THE reason they're headed towards bankruptcy but it sure as hell doesn't help.
[One (M7) General] ingenious247:
I don't think it's that they'll "hold off" until then

What I mean is they'll be rushing to get it out or everyone will choose Verizon since their HTC One will be the only US model on 4.2.2

T-Mo, Sprint and ATT won't like that..
[One (M7) General] monkeypaws:
Exactly. I'm really hoping on this too specially for those that got Dev editions. They would be pissed if carriers got it before they did.
[One (M7) General] schn1tt3r:
I am one of the Developer Edition HTC One owner who still has not obtained updates. I don't mind much waiting, as a long iPhone user, I always had to wait to update because I would refuse to own an iDevice without Jailbreak.

One of the reasons I switched to Android is because I already felt I knew everything there was to know about the Jailbroken iPhone and got bored of it. I doubt I'll feel the same with an Android and the HTC One being the best looking (premium) Android out there, I bought it.

Now I do have a question, whatever ROM I flash (I think I'll go with Android Revolution 4.2.2) whenever an update comes, what do I have to do to update it? Do I have to re-flash and start from stock or is there "OTA" like updates for ROM's such as Android Revolution HD?

If I had an AT&T or any other carrier model, I would have installed a ROM day 1 to eliminate the bloatware. I like the stock ROM on the Dev Edition, but I read that the Android Revolution ROM cleans the bloat even more (without losing the IR Blaster feature like the GE ROMs).
[One (M7) General] xcesivemastub8ah:
Once you make the jump and flash your first ROM you don't need to worry about "official" updates or threads like this anymore. Heck you might even get a 4.3 ROM before HTC even releases 4.2.2. A lot if devs now offer OTA updates and most don't require a complete wipe to flash an update unless you're coming from a different devs Rom. And even then you have apps that back up your apps and messages and stuff. Most roms here are as stable as official updates or even more so as you can almost always get quick direct support from devs on their roms if something is broken. No ROM , official or custom, is 100% bug free and flashing them is downright simple so I see no reason to be on XDA developers and not flash. Just be careful not to get addicted.
[One (M7) General] a box of kittens:
Best piece of advice
[One (M7) General] rasstar:
Android 4.2.2 didn't even add anything to talk about.
[One (M7) General] godutch:
it did, it mostly fixed the msm_hsic_host wakelock bug which caused a big drain on my One
[One (M7) General] ingenious247:
That's hilarious. The removal of the black bottom bar menu is enough to change the entire experience with the screen. Adding Instagram to Blinkfeed is vital, those two reasons alone makes the majority of users eager to upgrade.
[One (M7) General] rasstar:
If you want it so bad switch the phone to international and get it. I already tried it. It broke the Google keyboard and I didn't notice anything that was worth while.
[One (M7) General] ClipClep:
Just got an update this morning, and yet again, another tease. It's ridiculous that I keep getting little updates when I know full well that HTC is capable of giving me the 4.2.2 update. Instead, they decide to, in other words, mock me by sending me little peon updates that I don't even need. I love HTC and the products they make, but holy cow, do they really need to wait so long on giving me updates?
[One (M7) General] godutch:
The 2.24 401.1 update was pulled because a rare bug which caused some people's apn to be wiped and therefore lose data connection

If you read dutch, here's the story, you can try Google translate but dutch doesn't translate well automatically

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/90535/htc-wil-uitrol-android-42-voor-htc-one-volgende-week-hervatten.html
[One (M7) General] ClipClep:
It's still doesn't answer the question of whey they aren't sending the 4.2.2 update. They obviously can send updates so easily to fix little things, but they can't just send the new software that was announced for freakin ever ago? I know they can.
[One (M7) General] godutch:
Because the 4.2.2 update was bugged, they pulled and and needed to analyze the problem and fix it. For most users a working data connection is more important than running the latest version of android
[One (M7) General] ClipClep:
Alright, got ya. Thought you were talking about the latest update that just came out or something. Any word then on when it's going to come??
[One (M7) General] godutch:
No, like I said earlier they do this on purpose; releasing the update in small batches to smaller less important markets first, so not too many people will be affected should a rare bug surface which didn't get noticed during testing
[One (M7) General] ClipClep:
That's crazy dude. Ridiculous, actually. What about the people in other countries? Their's must be just fine?
[One (M7) General] godutch:
No they lost their apn's and therefore can't use their data connection anymore
[One (M7) General] ClipClep:
Wow. Good one HTC.
[One (M7) General] godutch:
Stuff like this happens, they know it can happen, they can only test on so many devices (let's say 100) if the bug only occurs 1/1000 they have 10% chance of catching it during testing, yet when the update rolls out thousands will be affected. That's why you (in the US) have to wait, you are the biggest market...
[One (M7) General] jhonsok:
I work at a retail store in Canada. For a long time we have not had any HTC rep make an appearance. Yesterday finally a representative from HTC visited us and assured me that they are skipping 4.2.2 in favor of android 4.3.

If this is happening in Canada it is probably the same in USA. He did not however give me any time frame what so ever. So theres that. My guess would be at the end of the year.
[One (M7) General] ClipClep:
You know, it's not that I don't mind waiting, it's the fact of the lack of communication. I myself was an assistant manager at RadioShack for over a year and a half and got offered a much better job for AT&T. One thing that I never understood, is why my HTC rep was the worst of all my reps. He seriously had no idea what was going on the whole time. If HTC would actually tell everyone what they're doing, then it'd be much better than to leave us blind and wondering.
[One (M7) General] NextNexus:
If this were the case I think most people would be fine IF HTC came out and updated us! The problem is that it's been over a month since 4.2.2 was released to other parts of the world and we have heard NOTHING from them regarding the update in the US. It's simply awful customer support and terrible for PR purposes. I understand they're worried about missing their release timeframe if they make it public but sitting there completely silent and acting like we don't exist is significantly worse! It's always better to keep the customer informed...even if the only news isn't good news (ex: a missed release date).
[One (M7) General] godutch:
The reason the update was pulled was an official answer from HTC Netherlands, though I can understand if this comes across as no answer from htc at all
[One (M7) General] cdordon:
Considering I got the 4.3 OTA for the Google Editions last night, and the GPE roms are basically senseless sense roms, I think 4.3 will be out sooner than we think.
[One (M7) General] io53:
Actually, the 4.3 update does not seem to contain any sense stuff at all.
[One (M7) General] aooga:
It really makes me wonder how much work it would have been to release 4.2.2 and 4.3. Samsung is doing this skipping 4.2.2 thing too with their S3 and Note2. I think the biggest joke of the past 10 years was the "Android Update Alliance". Every time I hear that, I just laugh. Such a joke. Good thing for XDA otherwise I might have switched to the iPhone :eek:

At least Google pulled it together for the GPE update. I can wait 9 days after a nexus update. Its the month after month waiting that really makes me want to punch anyone that I see that works for HTC.

The last thing google needs to do is put those phones on carriers so I don't have to pay 600 freaking dollars for a phone :P

I was literally laughing when I wrote this post :)
[One (M7) General] rasstar:
Some of Sense is still in android 4.3
[One (M7) General] io53:
Where?
[One (M7) General] jags_the1:
IPhones the best. :beer:
[One (M7) General] kasper1977:
mike

I wasn't going to root the one or put a costom Rom on it but didn't want to wait for update now I've been rooted on venomone. Rom rockin 4.2.2 awesome Rom no telling when USA will get it
[One (M7) General] g33mt4z:
Agreed ^^ if you don't know how to help yourself and support developers, why bother with xda at all??? Stick it to the company by bypassing the securities they put in place on your phone and make it your own phone, not a HTC phone that relies on updates from it's master ;)
[One (M7) General] NextNexus:
How exactly is this considered "sticking it to the company?" You've already paid for the device so they couldn't care less what you do with it afterward. If anything, you're making it easier on them by doing this since you're voiding your warranty and thus, releasing them from their support commitment.
[One (M7) General] g33mt4z:
Already covered by the Australian ACCC if I have a warranty issue, can go back to complete stock if need be (s-off makes it easy) And you just said it yourself, you've paid for it too so why should they release anything? ;) my bases are covered and I'm rocking a completely custom, individualized 4.3 ROM :) plenty of information on xda and it really is easy
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emanuele28dl:
Solved !
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkoblade:
should i buy the htc one 64gb or butterfly s.......HELP ME....am really torn here guys,,,keep in mind the butterfly s isnt available here in the uae so i will have to wait a while.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shopsdesire:
I'd get one imho but I've never tried butterfly...u can't fault the one though it has the support and popularity

Viper one
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] I Am Marino:
The Butterfly is everything the One should have been, but can't really go wrong with either.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bseagull:
My only problem with it is the No aluminum and no ultrapixel.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Muhammad.Muayad:
i bought HTC One because its Aluminum body and premium feel, if you dont care the feel of your phone or the sensation you get when you hold it.

go with the butterfly s
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkoblade:
yeah i know i loooooved the aluminum unibody,,,its SUCKS big time that there is noo micro sd., but the 64gb is like 280$ more than the 32gb, and am sure i wont need all that space, and now the red one is out, and i have another problem for the color thing....silver or red, cuz black sucks.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecki2k:
Feeling with you, I just love red-black so the butterfly seemed like the natural choice...until I got to use one for a few days. It just feels cheap somehow, too lightweight for my likings. Settled for the black One and till now I didn't regret it. The One really feels premium.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkoblade:
DONE. bought the htc one silver 64gb 4g ....hehe....
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Matt:
It has ultrapixel
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] neongtr:
I got a imate jam (telstra AU).

often the activesync pop up ask me to login (to debatelecom). I am in Australia and have not assisocation with that domain.

that if I cancell it, an error message pops up in the Activesync said error in the exchange server.

I tried to remove it but it comes back about.

How do I disable Activesync function?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kije12345:
Hi!,

Which one is faster - Snapdragon 600 @1,7GHz or S4 Pro @1,7GHz ? And how much? Thanks for help :)
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrKrFfXx:
Some 25% faster to the 600.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kije12345:
it's big difference, BTW in benchmarks or games :confused:
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrKrFfXx:
In general. 600 chip has a faster gpu, Adreno 330 vs Adreno 320 ( twice as powerful according to some sources) on the S4 so you would expecta better performance both in games and general performance. Faster DDR3 vs DDR2 ram, etc.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kije12345:
no, bro. Snapdragon 800 has Adreno 330 (2x faster than 320). Snapdragon 600 has "only" Adreno 320.

So, if for me the most important is performance, should I buy HTC One ? I hate Samsung and Samsung's plastics.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrKrFfXx:
Yeah I mixed things up there. But yeah, expect the 600 to be a better performer. May I ask why are you asking? Trying to decide between S4 and Z?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kije12345:
no, but I am trying to decide between HTC One and Xperia Z.

Xperia Z is waterproof, but it has worse screen than One and S4 Pro @1,5GHz (I can overclock to 1,7GHz+). HTC One has better screen, the best speakers and Snapdragon 600. What would you choose?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrKrFfXx:
I lost two phones because of water damage beefore getting the Z, so the answer is quite obvious.

I like the One a lot, but I love the Z so much. Between an S4 and a 600 is still close, if it was against the 800 the answer would be easier.

It's a tie in my book, but water resistance is a must for me after losing some 1000€ in water damaged phones
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kije12345:
I destroyed Nokia 500, also in water. I'm afraid that I will lost another phone, so I am going to buy waterproof one. I will buy Xperia Z and if I don't like it, I will return phone to shop. After that I will buy HTC One. Good idea?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrKrFfXx:
Sounds fair. If shopbpolicy allows you to do that, go ahead and demo the Z.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kije12345:
In my country it is possible to 10 days (if I buy it on e-store). Tomorrow I am buying Xperia Z. Thanks for help. Do you know any waterproof case to HTC One?
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hapticc:
HTC One as i love it but i love xperia z too.

But i will suggest you to get HTC ONE that device is god's creation :D:D:D:D:cowboy:
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ramhardy:
the only waterproof case right now for the HTC one is a zip lock bag, the s4 has several.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sebastianlow:
The 600 is 15% faster clock for clock compared to the S4 Pro. The Adreno 320 GPU is just as fast on both. I wouldn't decide on the One just based off CPU, the S4 Pro is still very powerful (Nexus 7 2013?) And I wouldn't worry about performance on either of these devices
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jonathan2677:
Ref HTC one over s4 I had one it's a super lag fest,my xz is so much smoother,my daily driver is my experia but would not give up my one either I love them both,however couldn't get rid of touchjiz fast enough
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joejoe23:
I played with butterfly s just now. Damn it's so smooth like I just can't explain. It's way smoother than the z. If I hadn't bought the z, I would definitely get the butterfly s considering the larger battery, beautiful screen and micro sd and the smoothness to me is on par or better than iPhone 5.

Sent from my C6603
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skinsfanbdh:
i sold my htc one to get the xz and there is not much of a difference in performance but battery life is a little better on the one
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] linx1287:
why not go for the Z ultra instead? hardware in that will nuke all other handsets available now....plus you get improved water resistance
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beni8978:
You can't fit that in the pocket. And its embarassing to see you with a 'TV' near your ear when you make a phone call.

C6603