yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] biohazardousguy:
The audio issue is the only thing that keeps me away from CM too. I use this phone as a GPS on my motorcycle and I need the audio via bluetooth to my intercom for the spoken instruction. I will monitor this post and as soon as the audio is fixed, I will for sure give it a try.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] 5n00p3r:
Maybe you try this one : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2689519

It's a nightly, but for me it works fine. The installation is a little tricky. Bluetooth and GPS are working.

Gesendet von meinem GT-S7710
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] loneraver:
Please read my post!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=52439624

I tried it, and got none of the "known" issues. Give it a try. If you get any issues, you can always flash back to stock rom.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Kosh_swe:
cm 10.2 + vanir button bug + lockscreen restart!

Cm10.2 is all BUT stable! ...

My hardkeys (back/menu/home) stopped working ONLY on flxo/Vanir firmwares, ive tried both cm10.2 (20140204_cm_10.2_skomer-ota-eng.flx, which is supposed to be "rock solid", i dont want nightlies since this phone is going to my gf so im after a stable firmware) but i've also tried latest nightly vanir 4.4 but that got the same bug in it!

2014/02/04: Alpha release 11: STATES

CM: Source update.

Fixed random reboots. <----- I still experience random reboots at cyanmod screen/loockscreen when i start the phone, not when using it (so far) but it happends 50% off the times u restart/startup the phone!

I've read that other people have the keys bug aswell in this thread but i've seen no answers/replys for it.

Aswell Link2Sd refuse to mount on any ext partition with theese firmwares, it recognizes fat32 for second partition but then ends up in bootloop when trying to add script... i had NONE such issues before, i used link2sd with ext2 partition in 4.1.2 without any problems, which makes me add up its firmware/kernel issues and not me or my phones hardware.

----

Solutions i tried:

Reflash (both cm10.2 and vanir 4.4)

Tried using latest updated CWM 20140112_cwm-6.0.4.6_skomer and now im using 6.0.4.7 (cwm_skomer_test2) (cwm works fine btw) :good:

Cleaned cache + dalvik + full wipe, both before installs and after installs.

Plugged battery

Restarted phone

Removed the sd card

Link2Sd bug with theese roms:

Tried ext2,ext3,ext4 (cant see/mount second partition, 4.1.2 mounts same sdcard with same partitions (1st Fat32, 2nd ext2) without a problem)

Tried fat32 as second which results in bootloop.

----

When i hold in home button for around 5+ seconds i get the "menu" where u can see prior used apps, so i KNOW my hardkeys works!

If i flash my backup (a rooted s7710xxamj4 4.1.2 ,now upgraded to S7710XXAND2) the bug is gone, i can use ALL hardkeys without a problem as supposed to!

When i click settings/menu button nothing happends, if i hold it 5+ secs Google Search opens.

Clicking on back buttons generates nothing!

Logcat log provided (.rar format with .txt inside)

Specs:

GT-S7710

Kernel = 3.0.31+ flx@tbc #1 Tue 4 Feb 2014

CyanogenMod version = 10.2-20140204-UNOFFICIAL-skomer

Build = cm_skomer-eng 4.3.1

ps.

How come http://host.sebastianboegl.de/S7710/cm-10/flxo/cm-10.2-skomer/ dont show the same content as http://www.adriadata.net/xda/skomer/cm-10.2/ ? adriadata.net host works to download from but http://host.sebastianboegl.de does not allow you to download, it sends u back to root when clicking downloads and it also shows 20140604_cm_10.2_skomer-ota-eng.flx.zip (18MB) that does not excist on adriadata.net host, is this a failed upload, an update/fix?

ds.

Mind my english grammar im not a native :)
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] smukamuka:
Hi all,

I tried to install CM 10.1 and CM 11 but i have no signal in my phone...

What can it be??
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] TheBoegl:
I'll fix that later.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] SecUpwN:
[MENTION=5336070]flxo[/MENTION], since you seem to actually still have that device and are into development, could you maybe help VanirAOSP to get back on track? They lost their devices and maintainors. Too bad since it's a cool project. Thank you for considering this!
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] bushy.lumy:
still no signal

no one knows iet how to fix de signal?

i have the operator,but no signal.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] mehmehmen:
is anyone likely to pick up working on porting cm.11 into a functioning rom for the x

I have the handset and managed to get any of the currently available roms working (with some missing features here and there) but all of them with a working signal by ensuring to flash the pre rooted amb6 base by theBoegl and then flashing any roms on to the top of that.

This device is truly a very robust android device, and although not as powerful as some offerings is really a great phone.

I would love to help anyone who is willing to try to port either a version of Lollipop (maybe aosp or any similair type custom version of aosp) or CM11.0 EDIT:(i see now having actually looked CM11 is not 5.0 based DERP) (which i beleive is android 5.0 based)

i got cm11 booting on my phone, signal worked fine everything was functioning except the camera(i must say i didnt do a full feature check as i was just flashing to check if signal was functional)

any takers i will happily work with you in to figuring out how to fix the camera issues and so on. im sure they can be figured out if most of the rom works as it was.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] andrew551:
You can try this: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95916177934551695
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] mehmehmen:
Thanks for the suggestion but i recently got chatting to some one in OmniRom project and he is willing to help teach me some stuff and we are gonna try get a working lollipop based rom built between us for the phone. with any luck that will lead to some more roms popping up for the phone.

if that is the same cm11 build i tried before i think the camera is borked and a few other things were a little flakey.

main goal for me at moment is to get 5.0 booting and fully functional :)

will be posting any thing of interest in a thread
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] andrew551:
No, this is newer version (4.4.4 from 15 Jan)
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] mehmehmen:
kool good stuff. i may check it out at some point. although im currently syncing hours worth of android build stuff to attempt porting lollipop so may not get round to checking it out for a while.

may come in handy in getting the hardware blobs for the lollipop build though if it is fully functional hardware wise

thanks for the heads up
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] marle.m:
cm11.0_skomer.20150131

Does the cm11.0_skomer.20150131 work fine on Xcover 2 GT-S7710.

It seams that is for galaxy mini and not for xcover2.

Can anybuddy pleas give an short report if this works fine and what are the difrent to 20131231_cm_11.0_skomer-ota-eng.flx?

Could it be flashed withe recovery cwm_skomer_test2 or TWPR wich version or recovery CWM 6.0.4.6???

Please leave an short reportz and instructions wich recovery is needet to flash.

Please post a link where we can find the new recovery if we need.

Thaks forwards.

Regards Marle.M
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] buzz71:
hello does it works fine on s7710 italian? i have tried cm10.2 and cm11.0 and there's no cellular line!

please fix it. answer to me!
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] spoonium:
It installed fine, however I can't set up my mobile network with this ROM, neither the network nor SIM card option opens up a screen, it just stays black and the device eventually shows a message that the phone isn't responding.

Additionally I'm having problems with the UI, either I receive the message that "com.android.systemui has stopped" and when I dismiss the message, it just re-appears, or alternatively if I try to unlock the phone, it immediately shows the lock screen again, creating a loop that makes the phone unusable.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] pikkuteemu:
S7710 and CM flashing seems to have issues with /efs and /modemfs folders and therefor imei and other difficulties network to identify phone.

With root privilege, backup your /efs and /modemfs before flashing.

You can also try fix the permission problem if you still have imei left:

adb shell

su

find /efs/|while read s; do chown radio:system $s; done;

find /modemfs/|while read s; do chown radio:system $s; done;

chmod -R 777 /efs/

chmod -R 777 /modemfs/

reboot
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Cysign:
It the buetoothpath fixed?

I'd like to flash this CM...but I daily use my phont to stream audio over bluetooth...
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] metallforest:
Is this rom flasheable on a GT-S7710l? Are there any major bugs in it? Is wifi working?
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] matus699:
I tried.

Well thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] razhell:
Hello!

I tried to flash your ROM, but phone stoped recognizing SIM card. I tried diffrent methods, and then i found this. Everything work like a charm now :)

"I installed Vanir instead of CM and had the EXACT same problem with SIM not recognised and physical front buttons not working. After a lot of investigation I discovered that this seems to be caused by an issue with the builds that require a SPECIFIC baseband ROM being installed first:

I used Odin to flash a pre-rooted version of S7710XXAMB6 (MUST be AMB6) onto the phone. After I did that and rebooted it got stuck in a boot loop with the animated Samsung logo for some reason, but no matter – I re-flashed CWM and then used that to install Vanir 4.4.4 and the gapps. Then when you boot into the phone, use the terminal emulator included in the ROM (no need to faff about with adb) to enter:

su

find /efs/|while read s; do chown radio:system $s; done;

find /modemfs/|while read s; do chown radio:system $s; done;

chmod -R 777 /efs/

chmod -R 777 /modemfs/

Then reboot the phone again and away you go!!

Hope this helps someone. I spent hours figuring this out but now my XCover 2 is a snappy, usable phone – not the laggy horror story that TouchWiz gave me!!"
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] GoldenJet:
little help plz

hi guys im totally new to this thing my wife have a xcover 2 and struggles with space etc, can someone help me plz where i must start now to install this CM rom i have no clue what to do from start to end to install this :confused::confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
I cannot confirm this error. Do you use that link2sd stuff?
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] aufdroge:
Just s2e, but there was no problem with it till now. Even if I am not using s2e this error occurs. Flashed the rom 4 times and tried some things, but nothing helps.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
I installed the image over the last one. Can you make a backup and full wipe and then try again?
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] aufdroge:
I did a full wipe before flashing, maybe that is causing the error? Will try it again tomorrow, i do not have time for that today, because I am not at home.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] erostiff:
I also installed over the last version using cwm. Use s2e, but have no problems after the update.

Phone is running smoothly, miss camera though...
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] simondiercks:
Also no access to play store - but only when accessing through wifi - trough gsm works
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
Hm. No idea. Can you make a logcat trace and see whether there's something useful popping up? I've had no issues with the playstore so far.

Maybe you want to try this the latest cm-10.1 image. See first post. Please note that you need the CM 10.1.x gapps package.

Thanks for tests and reports!

flxo

btw: Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Theft_eXP:
is it possible to use the flashlight like on the orginal rom by holding the volume button while locked?
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] erostiff:
Video recording is broken!

I`m guessing this also explains the video playback issues. Podcast or local files don`t play anymore. On the other hand: we got camera!

Again, keep up the great work!
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
No. Maybe you'll find a app for that or patch it yourself.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
You're right. Video playback is also broken. I did not try yet. This could be related to missing codec etc. I'll take a look. Thanks for the report!

cheers,

flxo
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] maurensen:
Looking forward to try your new rom this week mate! Thanx again
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] maurensen:
Just installed la test cm and the Phone seems very fast and responsive...trying deep for now good job mate!
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] iNDEX3:
Thank you! You fulfill my dream!

"MX Player" excellent playing video! But youtube does not work.

For compatibility with old application setting, please change the path to the external SD card with "/extSdCard" to "/storage/extSdCard".

I added in init.d "ln-s /storage/sdcard1 /storage/extSdCard".
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] maurensen:
Testing in progress...

For now:

GPS: OK!

Torch: OK!

Phone signal: OK!

Camera: OK!

:)
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] kocourkh:
THX. Excelent work. All works fine for me, but i cannot find STK tools for GSM banking and some settings like performance or USB debbuging.

Thanks for your work.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
Ok. I'll add that.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
The developer options can be enabled by pressing ten times on Build number in the About phone menu. The performance is shown on my phone - maybe it's enabled with the developer settings. Caution: entries in the performance menu are untested.

What are "STK tools for GSM banking"?

Thanks for testing!

flxo
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] maurensen:
wow nice! THX flxo i ll try some settings
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] maurensen:
I use very much the "back kill" button option so the developer menu si very useful forma me!THX flxo!

---------- Post added at 07:01 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:53 AM ----------

After 2 days of usage i think this ROM is ready for daily usage, i haven't found Any serious bug, no FC at all etc so.. Good work flxo!

Btw does anybody knows how to get an FM radio to work? Tried spirit fm but cant make it work. How to inject in this rom the stock fm app?thanx
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] ex-xt:
cyanogen on XCOVER

Hi guys

i had installed first VANIR through Heimdall and linux ; did not work so well .

Then cyanogen Mod 10.1 : fine with the help of

- phonandroid forum

-this forum

-ubuntu documentation

SO thank you all for the BIG job you are making :laugh::good:

unfortunately I am not able to help others on these matters , in a formal way...mean that memories of UNIX and teaching SGBD are useful but cannot be translated in a formal/readable/accurate way ... :)

as a retired ... old timer teacher i know that
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] kocourkh:
Stk - Sim Toolkit

I find on rom file stk.apk, find on instaled app, but not find shortcut in launcher apps menu.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] aufdroge:
Just a little question (cm 10.1): how can I install apps to the ext partition in my external sd? S2e is not working anymore :(
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Superbia:
This looks really interesting. Could someone with the latest build installed on their phone test if usb tethering works? That is the only deal breaker for me atm as I need to be able to use usb tethering daily.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Macghivo:
great cm 10.1 on GTS7710

so for me its working very well

i got it one week and for sure the best ..

keep up the work and thanks for that got just one question how can i make the extsd to be the first or force the apps on the est3-4 part of my sdcard?

that sucks its a nice phone and in my job i need some phone like that...

so i test cm over a week and i am sure that would be the standard so if you can help me thx and keep up

:p:p:p:p:p:good::good::good::good::good::good::good::good::good::good::good::good:
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] kocourkh:
I find solution for sim toolkit.

Sim PIN must be enabled for Sim Toolkit. Maybe new security in Android 4.2.2

All works perfect. Rom is stable.

GJ. THX for your work :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] m@ttie:
I installed the CWM and CM-10.1 with GAPPS.

Everthing seems to be working fine but... I have no cellular networks anymore. He is asking for my sim-pin but after that he isn't able to find any networks and there is mentionned "emergency calls only".

Even when trying to manually connect, he isn't finding any networks.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] maurensen:
I m experiencing a nasty random bug. Sometimes after a reboot i get a bootloop. System boot at lockscreen stage then starting to bootloop on cm rotating boot screen and i m forced to wipe data to be able to restart phone.very strange i m not able to reproduce step by step this bug...
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] aufdroge:
Just do a full wipe and flash again the rom and gapps, after that wipe cache and dalvik. That was working for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
Did you try to enable and disable airplane mode?
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
As aufdroge state: try a full wipe. Android is quite picky about the /data content and some services seem to fail on your device.

If you wan't to examine the reason why the system doesn't start, enable usb debugging and have a look at the logcat output (or post is somewhere).

cheers,

flxo
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] iNDEX3:
What about the next version? I'd like to play the video.

Only I have the problem with Bluetooth? A2DP works great. But HSP/HFP is very bad. I hear a hissing and wheezing.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] m@ttie:
Yes I did,

When starting the phone he is also asking the pin-code, but after that there is nothing.

When searching for networks, he finds nothing. (normally he should find 3 networks)

When selecting "auto-select" he is mentioning "registered on network" but with no signal.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] maurensen:
Where i find the logcat output? Thanx flxo!
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
Here's a description of logcat.

Another and maybe easier possibility is to install CatLog from the market and save the log from there.

Save the log after a fresh reboot and the try to assign to a network.

thanks,

Felix
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
Me too! Don't hang fire to release "the next version".... thanks for that.

I used the phone with a big black headset from BMW ;). No issues so far. Did you have that noise issues also with the stock rom?

cheers,

flxo
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] maurensen:
Thanx i ll try asap!
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
Added. Will be in the next build.

flxo
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] iNDEX3:
I used "Plantronics BackBeat GO" and "Plantronics Discovery 925".

I don't have noise issues with the stock rom.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] flxo:
I tried USB tethering. Worked fine with both internet connection types: wlan and gsm.

Give it a try!

cheers,

flxo
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Superbia:
Haha I just got done flashing it. It seems smooth as silk so far. Great work!
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Superbia:
Could someone verify that bluetooth voice gadgets doesn't fully work? I just gave me girlfriend the scare of her life trying to call with the car stereo bluetooth interface. :P
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] m@ttie:
I still have problems with my radio.

Sometimes the radio is just fine and I can make phonecalls, but 90% of the time he is not connecting to my network.

When I look into logcat there is mentionned that the radio is unknown, is that normal? Or can I download somewhere a radio build for this phone?

build.board: DB8520H

build.bootloader: unknown

build.brand: samsung

build.cpu_abi: armeabi-v7a

build.cpu_abi2: armeabi

build.device: skomer

build.display: cm_skomer-userdebug 4.2.2 TRIANA0020130929 eng.flx.20130929.164429 test-keys

build.fingerprint: cyanogenmod/cm_skomer/skomer:4.2.2/TRIANA0020130929

build.hardware: samsungskomer

build.host: tbc

build.id: TRIANA0020130929

build.manufacturer: samsung

build.model: GT-S7710

build.product: cm_skomer

build.radio: unknown

build.serial: 4301b312a7c8509c

build.tags: test-keys

build.time: 1380465908000

build.type: userdebug

build.user: flx

version.codename: REL

version.incremental: eng.flx.20130929.164429

version.release: 4.2.2

version.sdk_int: 17
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] maurensen:
I m still having bootloop issue with new version.did a full wipe + dalvik reset.just after blank install i can reboot OK but if i try to set a google or cm account and then trying to reboot i have bootloop.cannot start logcat because i am not able to unlock de device before bootloop...anyone? Thanx in advance
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] maurensen:
D'oh!seems that after 999 wiping and reinstalling without success i've found the bootlop issue solution!:)

Here the trik: if you boot with WiFi activated and a LAN is present: bang! Infinite bootloop...and here at work i have a damn WiFi lan! Going outside my office without LAN sig al during bootloop solves the problem the phone starts and everything is OK! This made my crazy! Spred the word guys forma who has a similari problem!
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] m@ttie:
okay my problem still exists... but...

but after a couple of new installs I have an install right now that can connect to the cellular network sometimes. Not all the time.

When connected, after a few hours CM is shutting down the connection.

Then I have to reboot a couple of times before I can connect again.

Can I easily trace errors of this kind?
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] iNDEX3:
Thank you very much!

Another would be to fix HSP/HFP and it will be the perfect job!
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] m@ttie:
I don't get it...

sometimes everything seems to run alright.

But sometimes if I have no radio (cellular reception)...

Are there people experiencing the same issue?

Is there a radiorom somewhere that I can flash? Or is the radio & kernel included in de CM10.1 roms?

Perhaps there is something wrong with it...
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] aufdroge:
Everything is working allright now, had a the same problem before and a bootloop error. After flashing the rom a second time (wiped cache and dalvik only), the problem is gone.

Do not know why, but to get the roms working correctly, I have to flash every rom two times.
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] m@ttie:
Phone restarted @ 8:15u this morning. @ 10u the cell phone has no reception anymore....
[Samsung Galaxy Xcover 2 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] m@ttie:
Is there a way to reset the phone back to the original firmware?

The CM 10.1 is really not usable for me!