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[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
All the lapdocks work. Some better than others. The atrix and bionic style will have a 2 inch area at the top and bottom devoid of an image. It will just look like an enlarged version of your phones display, stretched. Picture a hidef TV playing a standard definition movie full screen, then add letterboxes.

The lapdock 100 and 500 both go full screen. And from what others have said it does go to a tablet ui. (back home recent on bottom left, clock notifications and toggles, bottom right).

I tried the resolution script paired with the atrix lapdock and still had the stretched screen, crappy resolution, with black bars.

A phone call to motorola confirmed lapdocks would no longer be supported on newer devices. However the rep insisted the 100 and 500 will work full screen.

My roommate has a razr maxx, the atrix lapdock worked great the one time we tested it. But you have to be a little careful or at least aware of the phone standing on its top side. This is why they transitioned to the connectorless dock with the flexible cable to accommodate a wider variety. Anyway...

And you are correct about the rom aspect. Some roms have it baked in. Should we create a message to post on some development threads to see if they can help?

Sent from my DROID RAZR MAXX HD

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It's pretty funny that Google owns motorola and from what I hear was basically responsible for pulling the plug on webtop. They want people to have separate devices and buy their products but it doesn't fully make sense.

The padfone is so cool. Pop a phone into a bigger screen, bam it's a tablet. Dock the tablet into the keyboard, bam it's a laptop. And each component has its own battery.

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[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
To ask a basic question, how is it the lapdock works on the HD if you don't have webtop listed in your system? I mention the 2 older non HD razr's that show webtop as a point of interest since I don't have or never used a lapdock, forgive my ignorance. I plan on staying on my razr HD. I have the stock rom and eclipse rom on it and of course there is no webtop listed in the system. I am unclear if I used a lapdock how it works like the rest of you use one as it stands. Thank you again.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
You don't need webtop to use a lapdock. Webtop just gives extra features, a separate launcher and Web browser. You can go get a lapdock right now and use it although it won't be as feature filled.

If

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[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
Alright I sent a few rom devs messages to see what they think. I am sure I will end up with one of the lapdocks and I am in on the team to pay if it works like it should. Thank you again for the info.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
No problem and thank you for helping too!

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[RAZR HD Android Development] no_cannabis:
As far as I remember observing an RS Lite flashing process on my original RAZR, webtop is actually a separate partition. So it may have it's own filesystem and a set of drivers, or symlink to existing mdule location, or something else. I actually have both phones at the moment, and if someone can point me to fstab for OG RAZR, I can try and take an image of webtop partition. I probably sound dumb to our devs, but I only have basic knowledge of Linux, not much past dd command.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
For whatever its worth. I found a file on my non hd razr located in the phone storage named fstab located in /data/data/com.motorola.android.dmservice/files/dm/dmt_data/fstab

There is also a file name vold.fstab located in the /system/etc/... folder
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
Well finally got a lapdock on the way, ended up with the bionic one.
[RAZR HD Android Development] mtvdeo:
True, but resolution is really bad unless you are on ICS.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
According to what others have said regarding the 100 and 500, motorola rep included, I wasn't aware of this.

More incentive to get the project going then right?

Ronbo85, I'm shocked you didn't go for the 100 or 500. Let me know if you get full screen. If it is, you may benefit from the script we have briefly discussed.

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[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
Yea I know I decided to roll the dice that we will get it resolved. I like the look of the atrix/bionic lapdock and it's slightly larger than the 100. I read a lot of people have trouble with the size of the 100 keyboard being too small, I don't know. The 500 is a little too big for what I am looking for. If it dont work out the 100 can be had cheap enough. I need to study that script deal; I still have that thread open.

I also have some other kooky ideas for this thing. I will reveal them after I get it if they work.

No word from any DEVs so far.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
Very good. Yes many, myself included, like the look and slimness of the atrix and bionic lapdock.

There's a few vids on YouTube where a guy connected one to a raspberry pi, a wii, and a galaxy nexus.

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[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
Does this lapdock work with the Droid X or X2?
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
You'll have to research that as I'm not sure. The ports are similar but you may need extension cables or flip them to work. I'm sure it would enlarge the display but not sure about anything else.

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[RAZR HD Android Development] tallnerd1985:
Which Webtop version are you guys looking for? Because the original one is a Linux/GNU based one similar to what Ubuntu for Android is except it was locked down and apt-get repos were destroyed by Motorola. Then there is Android Webtop which was a special mode that was triggered via HDMI out to show a Tablet Android UI instead of Phone UI on the TV.

If you guys want Android Webtop, it can either be a simple app that triggers a change in UI modes on HDMI out. I think a Paranoid Android employs a similar on-the-fly change of UI so I am guessing someone can contact them to see how they did that and how to implement that into a app.

If you want the Linux Webtop, that's a heftier job since someone would have to adapt the now open-sourced Webtop sources to have the Linux Desktop display thru HDMI out when triggered. The filesystem can either be intertwined with Android like on the original Webtop or run Linux in a chroot environment, either way will work.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
Both would be nice. I think we all would live without the separate launcher that Motorola webtop provides. So long as we can have a high resolution full screen experience.

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[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
Which device for Paranoid Android is webtop employed?

I have been searching around and even checked the Bionic threads. I was told the bionic lapdock works on JB with the [ROM] [JB] Raging Bionic [8/12/2013] but asked the dev, he said it works but followed up if there were any issues, still waiting to hear back I also noticed that dev uses a razr hd and asked if he uses a lapdock. This along with several messages I have sent razr hd rom devs that have gone unresponded seems to indicate a lack of interest which surprises me.
[RAZR HD Android Development] tallnerd1985:
They don't actually have Webtop per say but all the Android Webtop is when plug in HDMI, it changes the UI to Tablet mode.

What I was saying about Paranoid is that you can change between phone/phablet/tablet mode on the fly in their ROMs without restarting the phone. If someone can take their technique and apply it to trigger when HDMI mirroring is plugged in then that would be pretty much Webtop.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
Well I think the script manager thread mentioned here does that. I can get my razr hd in tablet mode but it takes a reboot to dismiss it. A on the fly option you speak of would be a step in the right direction. It's just the resolution is not very high.

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[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
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[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
I've seen you show us this screen shot before I presume it's just a prompt for running a favorite app. What comes up after? I wonder if the screen resolution is defaulting to some kind of safe mode due to using a device with a different resolution than a bionic. Just a thought.

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[RAZR HD Android Development] mtvdeo:
The thing is, we lost HDMI settings since the JB updat. Before that, on ICS, we had great resolution when plugged into a lapdock, and you could even adjust the size of the screen shown (overscan settings it was called). On JB, these settings are gone, the resolution is bad, and the whole experience is just terrible, even rebooting randomly.

What we need is:

1) Get HDMI proper settings back

2) Port the current webtop app from Razr/Bionic to our phones
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
So maybe BDAZZG1 from this thread can help http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2396789

This is a bionic jb ROM and he says lapdock is working and I notice his sig he has a razr HD

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[RAZR HD Android Development] skeevydude:
Can any of you guys comment on how the Lapdock Pro 500 (or 100) works with the 4.2/4.3 roms? I'm considering getting one, but I am curious how they work (or don't work) now. I've read that stock JB has display issues, but I haven't seen any comments about the Docks with non stock JB roms. Thanks

[MENTION=3274816]Ronbo85[/MENTION]

lol'd when I saw your name -- my Dad has been called Ronbo for as long as I can remember :cowboy:
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
I hear the 100/500 work well but since I don't even have my lapdock which will be the bionic version I can't say. I have been participating in the thread as I shopped for a lapdock and was trying to learn what I could. If you havent yet check this thread out http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2002914&highlight=lapdock

Some co-workers and friends started calling me ronbo and it kind of stuck lol. Seems like it was from the Reagan days.
[RAZR HD Android Development] skeevydude:
Thanks. That's what I was thinking from all I've read. I guess I'll just get it and hope for the best.

Dad got the name Ronbo out camping with some friends back in 89\90 -- came waking out of the woods with a bandanna on his head and the Rambo knife held up. Someone made a Rambo joke and seconds later another said "F Rambo, that's Ronbo". Name's suck with him since.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
Hey jfriend33 how does your razr hd sit in the cradle of the atrix lapdock? I notice my HD doesn't sit quite right since the lapdock is for the bionic and the hd creeps up and loses connection.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
I'll have to post pics when I get back from a trip for a funeral.

I had to remove a plate that sits in the dock and that makes the connections more snug.

Sent from my DROID RAZR MAXX HD
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
Sorry bro my condolences I will wait till you get back.

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[RAZR HD Android Development] mtvdeo:
Lapdock doesn't work on custom roms
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
I think my signature is self explanatory. Now if the bounty comes to life I'd go back in a heartbeat. There's just not enough interest in this stuff.

Dude, you need to sell that bionic lapdock and get a 100. I'm giving my atrix one to my roomie for her razr maxx.

$600 for the new note 3 and watch. WTF. I am gonna see how this droid maxx works for the 2 weeks. If I love it im keeping it. If not may consider note 3 without watch. Or back to razr maxx hd.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
OK good for you
[RAZR HD Android Development] mtvdeo:
just got back to ICS after using 4.3 anf 4.2.2 roms.

I still score 15700+ on Antutu and the phone has little lag.

And I can fully use HDMI and lapdock 100.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
Which ICS did you flash?
[RAZR HD Android Development] dr_strangetrick:
Same here, which ICS did you flash?
[RAZR HD Android Development] mtvdeo:
I flashed the 0.6.25 one.

Phone works great, and it even scores 15700 on Antutu, which is even more than in 4.3 roms!

I installed the following: Pimp my rom, where I activated some tweaks to save battery and improve performance, Greenify, to make the phone smoother and save battery, Xposed framework to additionally tweak status bar, Metamorph, in which I installed a JB theme for the navigation bar, and Screen Standby, which turns the screen on/off when it detects an HDMI connection.

On top of that, I installed Google Now and a 5x4 motoblur launcher from the Atrix HD's thread. Now the dock shows the icons only and the search bar is gone, allowing another row of space to install widgets.

And I must say, the phone is working amazingly, lapdock works on full resolution, and I am no longer interested in a fully working webtop/lapdock. My phone already has it.

You guys should downgrade (it's more an upgrade than a downgrade if you want lapdock lol) to ICS and try to tweak it. I'm in love with it.
[RAZR HD Android Development] dr_strangetrick:
Could we be cheeky and ask for links please?

Step by step would be out of this world ;)
[RAZR HD Android Development] mtvdeo:
I'm on my Xyboard right now so i can't :(

But Greenify, metamorph, screen standby, pimp my rom are on the play store. Xposed can be downloaded from this forum and the 5x4 motoblur launcher is in the AHD forum.

Sorry I can't help much right now.
[RAZR HD Android Development] dr_strangetrick:
Yeah, i'm ok with the ancillary items but if you could do a link for the rom at some stage would be awesome :)
[RAZR HD Android Development] mtvdeo:
I'm not sure which rom it is, I just used Matt's Utility and it automatically flashed it.
[RAZR HD Android Development] dr_strangetrick:
Ah ha, thats brilliant

Thanks Mtvdeo
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
That means its stock i think..? Are there any good custom ics roms? I was thinking about doing this too to get my atrix dock to work again but i dont think i can stand to have the lag i remember after getting so used to JB's smoothness
[RAZR HD Android Development] dr_strangetrick:
Hi again Mtvdeo

I tried Matt's rom but I don't get any options or anything like that when I connect my lapdock, webtop adapter or plug in to my tv :crying:

If you are still using this rom could you do a screendump of your about phone page please?

Thanks
[RAZR HD Android Development] mtvdeo:
I didn't say it was Matt's rom. I said it was Matt's Utility. It's not the new one. It's the OLD one, in which you could flash back ICS from the JB in order to get root.

You can just flash through fastboot any ICS stock rom and it will work.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
Can you link a copy of the old version (1.10) all the links seem dead
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
Finally found it here

http://d-h.st/users/mattlgroff?fld_id=0
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
are any of you using a dpi changer to get into tablet mode? Just wondering if it casuses any issues. I was about to try myself but i think i uninstalled somethign necessary, now my systemui crashes. Oh well, start over.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
The dpi changing is done with smanager. It will trigger tablet mode. This is thoroughly discussed in another thread. You must use a different launcher if you are changing dpi.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
Yes over here...http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2002914&highlight=lapdock
[RAZR HD Android Development] dark_mirage:
Or use a DPI changer, or another file explorer, or a text editor, or adb, or hybrid properties, or a prop editor
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
I changed the dpi to 120 and that turned on tablet mode. Its awesome but system UI keeps crashing and i dont have the home, recent apps, and back buttons on the screen. Im using nova launcher if that matters. Any ideas?
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
Reboot phone, so dpi reverts. Make nova default. Enable tablet mode in Nova. Run script dpi, restart phone . may work?
[RAZR HD Android Development] dark_mirage:
The DPI doesn't revert after a reboot...
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
My bad it's been too long. Set the dpi back to the default 115 or whatever it was then proceed

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Wait a minute yes it does! With smanager I would always have to reboot to get the adjusted dpi. I remember having issues like this person and a long press of power button rebooted phone which restored default dpi.
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
Nova already is default for me. doesnt really seem to matter what i do, the systemui crashes every tiem i change the dpi
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
Systemui shouldn't be crashing unless the stock launcher is trying to open
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
Interesting. I have homescreen and homescreen config frozen in titanium. Not sure what else i could do/why the stock launcher is doing anything at all.

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Which method of google now install did you do? ive seen a handlebars method and flashing a zip. I tried the zip but had some problems with GN like links not working after searching.
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
Anyone tried the lapdocks with a 4.3 rom? Just curious if its any different.
[RAZR HD Android Development] Ronbo85:
With the script I presume since webtop is missing; I can't even get this script to work at all. Phone reboots right back to normal screen after I run it. I have a 4.1 base rom with apex launcher going to try a 2nd rom I have in another slot later today.
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
You might try the below script. I noticed the value of lcd_density was null so it was always going into the else statement. I added a check for if there is no denisty returned by getprop qemu.sf.lcd_density then it will set it to 320 and then do the rest. Anyway, i dont know if thats the same problem youre having but its worth a shot.

#!/system/bin/sh
initdensity=320
tabletdensity=220
density=`getprop qemu.sf.lcd_density`
echo $density
if [ -z "$density" ]
then
density="320"
fi

if [ $density -eq $initdensity ]
then
echo "changing to tablet"
setprop qemu.sf.lcd_density $tabletdensity
else
echo "changing to telephone"
setprop qemu.sf.lcd_density $initdensity
fi
stop
sleep 1
start
[RAZR HD Android Development] shabbypenguin:
whoa, that will literally be running every other second, are you sure you want a background process like that? it would raise cpu freqs and never let your device sleep.
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
I didnt write most of that so I dont know. Doesnt seem to cause any problems like that though.
[RAZR HD Android Development] shabbypenguin:
just glancing at it with a sleep command of one that means it will only pause for 1 second before moving on to the next command in the script. ive never seen stop/start used in a script before though so i could be horrifically mistaken, but at first glace this looks like it loops and runs and pauses for 1 second then restarts.
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
Someone has the atrix lapdock working on the Droid Maxx!

http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?t=325179

Droid Maxx miracast with Lapdock experiment
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
Just in case anyone was wondering, i could not get the lapdock to display the screen at all on a 4.3 rom. Slimbean latest weekly to be exact. The mouse and keyboard worked but the screen would just flash "no hdmi input detected" or something similar. ICS is the only option again.
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
all that info seems pretty useful but I have no idea where to go with it. Anyone else?
[RAZR HD Android Development] dr_strangetrick:
Same here, I could really do with getting WebTop working, I've tried the stock roms mentioned but its still the same.

I am willing to add to the bounty if anyone gets this going?
[RAZR HD Android Development] dr_strangetrick:
Now that Moto have confirmed they are going to update our handsets to KitKat is it worth everyone getting together and making a petition or group letter to Moto requesting WebTop in KitKat?
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
I jsut dont see that happening. BUT what would be nice is if they would just allow it to work as a mirrored desktop by adding back in hdmi overscan options.
[RAZR HD Android Development] dr_strangetrick:
Yeah, same here even mirror mode would be good :)
[RAZR HD Android Development] JBmfG:
Just FYI - I just tried the CM11 rom thats on this forum with the lapdock. same issue as with 4.3 roms; keyboard and mouse work but no HDMI is detected. Too bad. Might work if you could force hdmi out but i couldnt find anything about that.
[RAZR HD Android Development] yujikaido79:
Laptop ROM for Razr HD

Did anyone get their phone into tablet mode using the Atrix dock? I went to ICS and could get the dpi down to tablet size with apex launcher but still has phone ui. Also any CM10 rom that works on the Razr HD that you could setup into full tablet mode. Trying to setup a rom just for the lapdock and then restore CM11 for daily use outside of lapdock usage,
[RAZR HD Android Development] jfriend33:
On my razr maxx hd the issue never was getting the tablet mode. There is a script in another thread explaining it.

With the atrix lapdock you're stuck with two black bars on the top and bottom, like it's letterbox.

Yet when I connect the same modified lapdock to a razr maxx Webtop opens and it's smooth sailing....

Maybe someday we'll have a padfone on verizon... Now that most people pay for their limited data and overages...

Sent from my unlocked consumer edition Motorola Droid Maxx xt1080m.
[RAZR HD Android Development] skeevydude:
If you **** around with the driver settings you might be able to get rid of those black bars, at least with STOCK Jellybean and ICS. Look under /sys/devices/virtual/graphics/fb1 (fb1 is hdmi). You'll have to use the terminal and cat/echo to see/set values. The options you'll want to look at are video_mode and video_mode_str. video_mode sets the resolution.

examples are (based on Atrix HD ICS, RAZR HD ICS is the same)

cat /sys/devices/virtual/graphics/fb1/video_mode --- it gives different values depending on what OS/kernel you're running...

echo "4" /sys/devices/virtual/graphics/fb1/video_mode -- sets it to 720p, stock roms; lapdocks run at 1366x768 which isn't an hdmi standard

From there you'll need to play around with video_mode_str and virtual_size to get rid of the black bars......Blur ICS includes an hdmi overscan option which was tied to one of those.

FWIW, you're best option is to just run Stock ICS to have a fully working lapdock. If you do the above, I recommend remembering the values used and making them into a Tasker app that's set to go off upon detecting a hdmi connection.

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HDMI is detected, but it gets into a bug loop because of HDCP when it's trying to determine the monitor's EDID. The reason is the Lapdock is really a DVI monitor connected with an HDMI>DVI adapter inside the dock, and dvi doesn't support HDCP so bad things happen. That said, with KitKat, use Arrrghhh's kernel and plug it in during boot or before powering it on, sometimes the lapdock will be forced into 1080p with a working picture, only problem is if you divided 1080p into 4 small screens, we get the top left small screen displayed on the dock.

There's a thread over at the Atrix HD forums where I've gone into more detail about this.