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[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] n70shan:
Yea we will be getting 4.3 must ....in approx march/april 2014
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Ruben2k2:
I just hope to make a 4.3 version at least officially, so that developers can create official builds, and so enjoy the improved theoretical battery in 4.3, when? hopefully before next summer ... hahah
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] r-l:
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[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
Y'all are all a bunch of malcontents. No offense guys, but let's take a look at some stuff we know. Sony isn't the only OEM to put out slow updates. EVERY OEM that isn't Nexus or Google Play edition puts out slow or nonexistent updates. What's important here IMO is that Sony is a very good OEM for the custom ROM community. They support the community very well with releasing binaries and all that and have even added several of their devices to AOSP which no other OEM has done AFAIK.

Bottom line is, if you want fast updates, get a Nexus. Don't complain about OEM updates being slow because they're all like that.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] El Brillantinas:
I guess SONY has done a regular job but because all the fans and customers have made serious complaints about their poor customer service. Remember the X10 case? That was really sad. At the end, SONY delivered a 2.3 Android version so buggy and slow, but at least it was good for the developers because they could get respective drivers and resources to cook better ROMs.

Anyway, never compare yourself with the bad guys. SONY has the chance of doing something great and different, to highlight, no to be like the rest. I guess that Xperia T has a very good hardware and so capable of running Android 4.3 and 4.4. Hell, Google is going to update the galaxy Nexus wich has weaker software than Xperia T! OK, SONY is not Google, but are you going to tell me that the SONY engineers are not as good as Google ones?

This is precisely what puts me down when it's about SONY and their beautiful phones. I loved my Xperia Ray but I hated being stuck in Android 4.0.4, however, I could do good thanks to custom ROMs. Xperia S is so great but will never have more than Android 4.1 and now is deprecated. Xperia T will be soon. I'm not the kind of guy that gets the latest flagships as soon as they are available, in fact I don't spend more than $450 US dollars in getting a phone (in my country), and now Xperia T costs that. The problem? I don't know if I'm going further than Android 4.1.2 if I get it. I like Xperia L but I'm not sure if it's going to be updated to Android 4.4

SONY should consider as a priority to do better in their updates and support, because there are fans who want/need to be in the latest Android versions. I'm one of them. And no, I don't like the Nexus, I don't like samsung and lg, cheap and fragile phones. I love SONY, but I hate their late and/or lack of updates.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] lee480:
Sony is meeting industry standards. I don't see Galaxy S3 armed with Android 4.2. There's no need to quicken updates as most consumers outside XDA simply do not care about Android versions.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] tilal6991:
You're blaming the wrong company here. The reason Sony didn't update both the Ray and the S is not because they didn't want to - it's because they couldn't. Qualcomm is the company to get annoyed at. The 8225 platform in the Ray was depreciated with ICS and the MSM8660 in the S was depreciated with 4.1. Currently MSM8960 - the platform (or close enough anyway) in the T is considered legacy (i.e. new devices will not be made with it) but HAS NOT been deprecated. Therefore, Sony SHOULD be making 4.2/4.3 for the T. Knowing Qualcomm though they could well have deprecated 8960 with 4.1 and it hasn't been announced yet.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Yenkazu:
So, with Krait gen

T, TX, and V should be compatible with 4.3, since Qualcomm have their binary right ?

And how about GPU ?

Do you think Adreno 225 can handle 4.3 ?

Maybe Qualcomm doesn't want give update to Adreno 225, since they focus on 320 and 330 GPU
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] r-l:
Sorry but the custom rom scene for the Xperia T is very small. if we had a big custom scene with 100% good working roms like (cm,aokp,aosp,paranoid etc etc) the i wouldn't complain

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the s3 (and s4) are getting 4.3 very soon
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
It's small but there are still numerous 4.2 ROMs and 2 4.3 ROMs available (AFAIK on that last one; I know we have tilal's 10.2 builds). At least we HAVE a custom ROM community and our custom ROMs are very functional compared to some other devices.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] tilal6991:
Hah. You think that CM is working perfectly on the S3? You'd be wrong there. Those guys have been fighting with random reboots and crashes as well. The grass always seems greener on the other side but never is.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
There's no sense in mentioning the X10, honestly. That was back in Sony Ericsson days; things are definitely way different from what they were back then.

Truthfully, you're holding Sony to a standard they can't meet. You say "never compare yourself with the bad guys", but who are the "bad guys"? Are you talking about industry leaders like Samsung, HTC, Motorola, and LG? You might not like those companies, but there's no denying that they are by far the head of the pack in the Android space. You're acting like Sony is somehow obligated to deliver on a higher level than companies that are BIGGER than them in the mobile phone scene.

The only company that delivers fast updates to Android is Google.

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Yup. I know this from my buddy who has an S3 with Eclipse. He finally found a good ROM in Eclipse and a good kernel in dkp so he gets good stability, performance, and battery life, but before this he hated custom ROMs because they never worked properly on his phone. It was only after my urging that he tried ROMs again and finally found the combo he needed.

On the contrary, with your (tilal's) CM 10.2 build, I only had two random reboots in the first day of having the latest build and have had none since then (it's been 2 weeks). Of course, battery life is still less than ideal but that will get better with time; at least all core functionality is working :)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] tilal6991:
Because Qualcomm is the biggest player in the market and has the highest performance to price ratio. If you look in the past year every flagship device has been released with a Qualcomm processor (I of course exclude the Samsung Exonys since that's limited to Samsung and no other manufacturers can use it) - that's simply what the market is ATM.

What's the point in having software at the latest version when it runs terribly on it because of the terrible hardware? That's what non Qualcomm designed processors are IMHO - terrible.

Also ARM never makes chips themselves - they license out designs to companies. The processor in the GNex was made by OMAP which is now defunct.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
You're giving too much credit to the competitors and undermining Sony unfairly here. You're saying "other companies are trying to change but Sony isn't"; I call absolute BS on that. Sony is not any worse than the other industry giants at getting updates out there. In fact, they are in general BETTER than Samsung, HTC, LG, etc. because they will upgrade entire LINES of phones vs the other companies who just upgrade the flagships.

Also, you forget that Sony (not Sony Ericsson, but the current Sony Mobile team) is very new to the mobile space. They've stumbled a bit out of the gates with getting updates out (like with the Xperia S and now the T) but we can only hope they'll improve in the future.

And you claim that everyone moves to Samsung and LG phones because Sony doesn't get updates out; that's crap. People buy Samsung, HTC, LG phones because those companies have better marketing and up until recently, their phones were objectively better. But the truth is A) Sony has some of the cheapest unlocked phones available, far cheaper than anything Samsung offers for the same "quality" and B) Sammy, LG, and HTC will only upgrade their flagship phones. Their mid-low-range offerings are usually left in the dust.

I think right now you've just got this "grass is greener" mentality and you have to consider the possibility that the grass ISN'T actually greener (or at least not that much greener). The bottom line is that Sony isn't XDA's top OEM of 2012/2013 for no good reason. They're not any substantially worse than the other big OEMs of the smartphone industry.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Archaic1881:
Let's all wait for the Sony Nexus then.... ...for another couple of years. :D

I don't know if Sony will be giving out another update for the T, but I don't really care: why should they ? I'm not saying their 4.1 rom is working perfectly, but it works better than any custom rom out there, and it is feature complete because everything works.

What advantages would 4.2 or 4.3 bring you absolutely have to have ?
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] gkkovacs:
4.1 stock sure runs reasonably well, but we have a phone that still lags when opening the app drawer, despite the fast CPU and 1GB RAM. So we need better interface speed and memory management. And let's not forget better battery management (mobile data and location services still use much more battery than optimal), which also got improved in 4.2 / 4.3.

And of course there are countless of nice things, which unfortunately won't make into the Sony package, regardless of version (like the new widgets, system settings, etc.), thanks to the stupid reskinning every major manufacturer feels obligated to do. Just read it once from start to finish:

http://www.android.com/about/jelly-bean/

IMHO Google was really stupid when they started licensing Android: what they really should have done is to obligate every device manufacturer to provide an unskinned, vanilla Android release on their website for every licensed device, so if the user chooses the trouble, they could download and flash it on top of the skinned OEM version. Of course this hasn't happened (I suspect the carriers could be blamed as much as the OEMs), so anyone who is not using their stupid Nexus hardware is utterly ****ed, since only the lucky amongst us (with unlocked bootloaders) have the chance to at least try out the battery-hogging and bug-ridden CyanogenMod releases.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Archaic1881:
There is nothing that would significantly better the experience, maybe they have to work on a fluent UI a little more, but they could do that on 4.1 also, and it is not something I experienced as a problem...

On the other side, the OEM's already had some features that were added afterwards to android, for example the autocomplete on the dialpad, or the sdcard possibilities that do not exist on stock android...

I do agree the licensing of android could have been different, but maybe the current model was the base for it's success ? They could also have gone the windows phone way where OEM's install the same base OS and then provide applications to better the experience, but it's a lot harder to differentiate your brand from the other OEM's that way...
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] immerblind:
Sorry, but i cannot understand that laggy UI argument. next to vanilla its quiet one of the better working Manufacture UI's. especially sony appdrawer isnt that laggy. not sure what wrong with your phone, or maybe you are an extreme heavy gaming user, jumping from the most ressource hungry games to appdrawer and then back game, and then back appdrawer again. yeah maybe then it lags :silly::D :p
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] turronet:
Of course get 4.3 or 4.4 on my XV will be fantastic but I agree with ones who like stock 4.1 which is full of feature (except camera).

I also own a nexus 7, believe me when I say that 4.1 was really really better than current 4.3 release, and the 4.2 was unstable and laggy.

Saying this, I understand OEM who avoid buggy updates.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] KelleyCook:
That begs the question. Custom Rom scene is small, since Xperia T sales were small
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] istux:
You're right...

Also the CM scene is getting harder for our beloved T: no new CM 10.2 (based on the last android 4.3) from CM team (no nightly anymore), no developers working on CM 10.1 and no developers working on CM based roms.

tilal6991 was the last one working on them.

:crying:.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] iHeymanth:
thank you so much for the cheerful post :D:D:D
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
Yeah, our community is indeed small; Xperia arc has a more active developer community...
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] spromper:
But on the arc i really felt the need to root after a while because of launcher redraws, no statusbar toggles and just for speed. With this phone i really don't have that feeling, it's great as it is.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] thedisturbedone:
Well in my opinion CM10.1 is complete and bug free. And tilal has said that he would do his best to update his ROMs as long as he has the phone. Which means we would get CM 10.2 working well soon too. He also hinted on an update on the other ROMs such as PA and Chameleon. So let's wait for a while before using past tense on all our phones.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] istux:
1) I don't agree, from my point of view CM10.1 is not complete yet (even with the tilal's kang)

2) tilal says that he's no longer making CM builds... so nobody will develop the CM 10.2, let's hope in somone else... :eek:

3) The past tense was referred to the CM question only, NOT to every rom for our device. Sorry for the misunderstanding, maybe this is due to the fact that english is not my native language ;)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] thedisturbedone:
Haha I was kidding about the past tense thing :P

What issues do you have with CM10.1? I am using it as a daily driver and no issues, echoes or whistles. And are you sure he said that? Maybe I missed that post because I saw one where he said he would try to update his ROMs. But nvm this is not the place to talk about it.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
In all seriousness, I really hope we get a 4.3 stock ROM; it would totally rock.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] :
What's there to discuss? If we really get 4.3, then Sony will release when it's ready.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] r-l:
There's alot to discuss. Sony is really bad with updates. The xperia T was there flagship untill they released the Z. After that they dropped the T as fast as they could. So yes i'm *****ing and complaining about it. i bought the T the day it came out for almost 500 euro's and there was only 1 big update here in the Netherlands (4.1.2) after that there was only 1 small update and now there's nothing any more.

Sony is not being nice to there costumers if you send them an email. So Sony mobile is as dead to me as the Xperia T is to them
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] harowa:
+1

Unfortunately, this is not only a Sony problem. The very next smartfone I will buy would be a Nexus. But I hope with CyanogenMod I am able to use my T a further year.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] r-l:
i'm gonna buy a nexus too, when i have the money. Only Nexus for me from now on (allready got a N7)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] :
So what's your point? You never state anything we could discuss besides hoping for the update to come. So you're saying if there's no update for the Xperia T anymore, Sony is a bad company? Is that it? It's common sense that they concentrate on their newer flagship devices. They released a stable update for both the T and the V. What more do you want? Maybe Sony is working on an update for us? Maybe not? You supported your point with speculations. Not facts.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] r-l:
if i pay 500 euro for a phone where software updates are possible for then a want a good service and not beeing used like a piece of **** if i ask sony a question.

and hasn't google made a rule for 18 month support. So we have the right for 4.2,4.3 and later 4.4.

and the later android versions has security updates that we're not getting now.

For me Sony can kiss my ass. The only Sony thing i will ever buy is the Playstation and nothing else.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
You really need to keep in mind that Sony is pretty much the absolute best OEM right now in terms of software and community support. Are they perfect? No. Can they improve? Yes. But they're already doing a decent job compared to most other OEMs.

tl;dr Go Nexus if you're gonna whine about support and don't ***** about how much Sony sucks.

Sent from my LT30p now Free
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] :
Again. I'll stress this. How do you know that Sony won't be releasing an update? They could be working on it now. You have no way of knowing. Besides, based on the news Sony said they will be updating their 2012 line. There's a possibility that there will be an update. I'm not saying there will be so don't get your hopes high.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
Agreed; if Sony is going to update any Android 4.1 device to 4.3 it will be the T. IMO it seems quite likely that they will because they went to the trouble of announcing the possibility of upgrading devices from 4.1 to 4.3.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] :
Are we done here?
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] r-l:
why are we still on 4.1.2 and not 4.3 .. htc and samsung are updating there phones from 4.2.2 to 4.3. Sony has alot less flag ships to do. And the news said they will update the Z line. Nothing was official about the 2012 line.

When i got the money i'm gonna buy a nexus phone. Allready sold my tablet and bought a n7.

to bad the Xperia T isn't worth anything any more,. because the price dropped like hell when the Z came out. So selling that will not get me much

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No

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i doubt that. and if they are the rest is more crapp then sony
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
HTC and Samsung still have their non-current flagships on 4.1 for the most part. The GSIII is still on 4.1 though it is getting 4.3 in a few months.

I am confident the T will also get 4.3 in a few months because Sony even bothered to mention the possibility of 4.3 on 2012 devices.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] immerblind:
there is this awesome saying around the web, from people who have the best point of view:

if you have a good running handy with a good running system, then this system is still good, even there is a better phone with a newer system.

thats all should be said to that discussion...

have fun with your new phone then, i heared nexus5 maybe will get a better camera next time... no sd card slot, no sony arc beauty, but hey, you will have updates, also nice :silly:
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
You doubt it? XDA has named Sony the best OEM of the year twice (I think twice). Sony has updated an entire line of 2011 devices to 4.0 and 2012 devices to 4.1. Other OEMs just keep their flagships up to date and forget the rest.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] r-l:
i don't give a crapp about a sd slot. i only use about 2gb on my phone. Don't play games on it. Don't use it as a mp3 player. And some people like the nexus look.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] :
Sony rolls out updates slower than other companies. Nothing new. It doesn't prove that they won't update the 2012 line up. They said there is a possibility that they will. Besides their 4.1.2 update is better than some 4.2.2 phones. I've seen it myself. Go for the Nexus as you wish. No one's stopping you.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] immerblind:
try to have 3different systembackups of different customroms with recovery on your smartphone, guess how important gb are then?

but whatever...
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] r-l:
So, it's every oems job to do that. and not every phone in the 2011 line got updated. And not even in every country. For some reason oems think the Nehterlands isn't that important.

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But i will stop, alot of people like to bend over and take everything for granted/
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
What's your point here? If it's every OEMs "job" to do what Sony does in upgrading entire lines of phones, then every OEM besides Sony is completely failing.

Almost every phone in the 2011 line got updated. There were like 1 or 2 that didn't and the other 8 did.

If you're complaining about regional availability, then unlock your bootloader and flash the latest ROM! Sony makes it easy for you.

Bottom line: Sony does as good a job (and better in some cases) as every other non-Nexus OEM in providing software/community support.

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Being able to look at this realistically is not the same thing as "bend[ing] over and take everything for granted." Plus, we're just wee consumers. It's our choice to buy certain devices. If you're an informed consumer then you should've known that no OEM updates their devices in a timely fashion unless it's a Nexus.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] r-l:
Mine is unlocked (and not every phone can be unlocked), but i allready tolt you that i'm stopping with it. Have fun taking eveything the oems do without complaining so they will never change.

btw i bought my T the first day i came out and sony promissid good suport. and they lied. Oke this is my last stuf here. laterz
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] :
Now that you brought that up, maybe Sony is planning on updating all 2012 devices to 4.3 and releasing them together? Maybe. Let's not get our hopes high.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
Right, because your whining is really going to change a lot.

Seriously dude, just make the best of your situation. Get a Nexus since you're so unhappy with your Xperia T. No use whining about it on the internet and berating others for actually being satisfied with their phones.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] :
They didn't lie. 4.1.2 from Sony is by far the most stable JB update I've ever seen. It's quality work. Like how Heisenberg cooks the purest methamphetamine. (Breaking Bad reference)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] FaiselW:
Apart from the fact that the phone gets so hot the camera rings falls off
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] zandm7:
This never happens to me...how do you even manage to do this?!
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] BigD18t:
Really ?? something must have been seriously wrong with yours to do that.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] iHeymanth:
Calm down guys

Sony is going to announce the devices that are ready for 4.3 update in November. Hopefully everyone will get their updates :D

Plz post useful comments here.this is an update issue and not a brand popularity thing.cheers!
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] BigD18t:
Really ? any sauce for that ?
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Spotja:
I got barbeque and sweet chilli sauce:D

Sent from Sony Xperia V
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] silasje1:
Same happend here, also the audio jack ring fell off :(
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] BigD18t:
Sweet chili please ;)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] FaiselW:
My headphone jack ring fell off too and I noticed the phone gets hotter on jb rather then ics
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] :
As an Xperia V user, the only problems I found was USB port covers started to come off. Had it repair so I could trade it in for another phone next year but silly me, managed to get the bezel broken and lots of cracks on the corners.