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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] crystalstylez:
I totally agree with this. When i ordered mine, the wife was like are you going to order one for me too? Lol. She has been on it non stop. Underwhelmed though? Hardly. I have a Note 10.1 but have not touched it in at all today. I feel that this tablet is great for the price and excellent for portability.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Landara:
Keep both, buy her a new one too. Then wear the old one around your neck on a chain outside of your shirt. Think Flav-O-Flav but more modern. Have it set to display the clock though.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cubfan99:
Why wouldn't it? I am evaluating for me, not for you. If I don't want or need a rear camera, then it isn't a compelling reason for me to upgrade, right?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] postnick:
Does anybody else think that sucks? I loved the 2 amp charger for a quick phone recharge, only when in a pinch.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] WilliamG:
The screen difference from the first generation to second is HUGE. If you can't see the difference, then that's MUCH of the point of owning the 2013 Nexus down the drain!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>The screen difference from the first generation second is HUGE.

Let's try that: Can anyone post a high-resolution photo of the old & new N7s side-by-side, using whatever app/game you want, to show any visual difference? Please attach the photo in its original resolution.

Enough specs and opinions and let's have some real eyeballing tests! OP, let's start with you since you have both!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] openwheelracing:
That's not something anyone can possibly judge here via pictures. To see the difference you have to experience both tablets.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sus4ntoh:
Agreed. We have 3 users in my household and total of 5 tablets. OMG I am such a hoarder.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>To see the difference you have to experience both tablets.

It's true we can't judge color fidelity from a photo, since color reproduction varies, but image/text detail can be discerned if it is indeed discernable with the naked eye. Hence, we're allowing high-res photos (read: better than naked eye) to see if there indeed any discernible difference. No ultra-hi-res shots that get down to the microscopic level! And no cheating by gaming one tablet display over the other!

If it's that hard to see the difference, then so much for the 'HUGE difference' claim!

Clarifications: The tablets obviously need to show the same image. The photo can't be retouched, and need to show the entirety of both tablets' displays. No fair zooming in to just a small portion of the tablet. This again is to simulate naked-eye detail, using a higher-fidelity photo as a proxy.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ncguy68:
Wonder if its safe to use the older 2 amp charger on the new Nexus 7?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>Wonder if its safe to use the older 2 amp charger on the new Nexus 7?

Of course it's safe! You still have 29 more days to return any burnt-out unit, right? ;)

Live the hacker spirit! TRY! No pain go gain! :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] msavic6:
Yes, it should be safe but there is no guarantee that the device will charge faster. Its up to the device to decide the current it draws in, not the charger.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Vanhoud:
If someone thinks the screen isn't any better then the old N7 then they need to lay off the crack pipe (or maybe they have bad eyes) It's not even close lol.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] californiarailroader:
What exactly is TL;DR? As far as hating, I didn't know making a honest, but well mannered and thought out review was hating, what are we talking about exactly here, machines or living things? ;)

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If so, your post should be first on the list, seriously, chill out.

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I admire loyalty myself, I am a die hard, true blue to the end Los Angeles Dodger's Fan here, and while they are riding high right now, I stick with them through the good and the bad :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Meep321:
Looks like i have to sell my old N7 and get me a new N7
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Osiris19:
The screen difference is definitely noticeable. My old n7 is blurry compared to my new one, and colors are more vibrant.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] trssho91:
Tl;dr is short for "too long; didn't read"

Sent from my SAMSUNG SGH-I747 running CyanogenMod.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
I bought my old lady an old N7 and she never opened it. For the price, the old N7 is still a good buy. It's hard selling something useful for around $100. There are lots of ways you can repurpose a tab. Dedicated car, kid, bathroom reading, kitchen recipes, living room alternative netflix streamer, etc.

Sent from Nexus 7 FHD from XDA Premium HD
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Osiris19:
Most people are selling there's for $150-180. I'm getting $180 for mine.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rmkilc:
Wow, that seems a bit steep. $150 I can understand, but $180 is a ripoff to the buyer.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Osiris19:
I only had it for two months, it's in mint condition, comes with a case, and he's my brother.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rmkilc:
My advice to your brother: Pony up another $50 and get the new model. It will be money well spent.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Osiris19:
He's helping me pay my new one off, and be owes me money to begin with.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] demandarin:
I can clearly see the difference on my 5.5in. 1080P display having LG Optimus G Pro. Easily see the pixels on older generation. The new one is more sharp and crisp. The words sharper also.

This LG OG pro has an Amazing display btw ;)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rmkilc:
We are getting spoiled lol. With the original Nexus 7, I never thought the display was that bad. But now having the new one, and looking at them side by side, the old one looks pixelated and I can't stand using it. You don't know what you are missing until you try it...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
[MENTION=4336791]rmkilc[/MENTION]

The stated point is "difference discernible to the naked eye," hence the stipulation that the image need to be of the entire two screens side-by-side, and not artificially magnified to show only a small portion of the screens. Obviously, if you blow something large enough, you can see the difference. Again, the point is normal side-by-side viewing, ie comparing two models in a store.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] demandarin:
Its like before I laid my eyes on true 720P and 1080P content. I was satisfied with regular TV resolution until I saw true HD content. Once I did, I could easily tell difference.

The OG N7 still has a great display for iits size. Dpi of that still higher than most smaller tablets. The newer model just takes it to another level. If you can find a deal like OP for OG model, go for it. But if not, I'd easily choose newer model over old one. There's too many upgrade features to just ignore which makes it the better buy.

I plan on getting a newer model soon.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Nebucatnetzer:
I really prefer high res screens. I basically haven't touched my N7 anymore since I got the N10 even though I often whish for something more portable. I'm looking really forward to the new.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cubfan99:
Yes, of course. For the record, I can tell the difference, but I believe I said that "I am just fine" with the resolution of the older screen. I can also tell the difference between 720P and 1080P on the projector in my basement, but for the price difference I chose 720P, which I am also "just fine" with.

So, we can agree there is a difference. For me, that difference is small enough, and not worth $150 more than what I have now. If it's a big deal to you, great. Buy the new one. But don't call me stupid or say I'm smoking crack. Sheesh, these kids today... :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] CiDhed:
I was getting so frustrated at my N7 slowing down after a week or two and being unable to type stuff out because of the lag.

4.3 might have fixed that though, I think 4.2 was just rubbish.

I'm 100% happy with my new N7-2. Runs great and the sound quality rivals my HTC One.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] detonation:
I was happy with my original N7, but after seeing the screen on the Nook HD+ I got for my GF, my N7 screen just looked crappy. Even if all the other specs were the same, I would have still upgraded to the new one for the screen alone.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Solutions Etcetera:
The OP's observations are not any less meaningful than anyone else's (we all have our own perceptions of what is a must have new device). I tend to agree with him that this isn't it if you already have a perfectly functioning Nexus 7. It is a good incremental upgrade, and if you're a big gamer I can see why you might want to upgrade. For others... not so much, unless it is just that having the latest and greatest means something to you. Performance-wise, I don't see a big improvement in the user experience of apps I use day to day.

If you have young eyes you will most likely appreciate the higher rez screen, but users with lenses that focus pretty much at arm's length won't really care as from that distance the original Nexus' pixel count is sufficient. When the one I have no longer works right, then I'll snag one of these (or next year's model that will be even better).

But for folks not already having a good 7 inch tablet... this one is hard to beat and the value it brings is undeniable, aside from my original and ongoing assessment that the app/accessory ecosystem is still superior on iPad. Hopefully, as the hardware gets more and more compelling, so will third party offerings supporting it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sfhub:
I have a friend whose vision is not what it used to be. His point was that even if he gets the higher resolution screen, he is just going to use a larger font and it'll look the same as the lower res screen, just with less jaggies, which he really didn't notice that much anyway.

From my point of view, I like the higher res screen because I can display more data on the screen and still have it readable. I can read the small font so the extra resolution is fully useful to me.

The colors are nicer on the newer screen as well.

All in all, for me, the new screen is worth it, but I can understand people in different situations might not find it useful.

From past experience, my main concern with the higher res screen was that the processors wouldn't be spec'd high enough to push the extra pixels and produce a pleasant experience. I'm happy to say the N7 2013 has enough processing power to handle the 1920x1200 screen, at least in my experience.

If you told me that the extra $30-$80 premium for the N7 2013 was going to cause your family to miss meals, I'd say get the N7 2012. Functionally you can get almost everything done with it. The N7 2013 just gives you a better experience while getting things done.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] russiandivxclub:
Thumbs up !
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Text isn't any smaller on the new unit. That largely applies to PC monitors.

Also about the Apple ecosystem, I was reading today that the Apple numbers are dropping dramatically in favor of Samsung (ie Android). I think the percentage was like 13.7% used Apple.

With Android's growing numbers, we'll start to see a swing of developers.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] parmend:
I want one so bad I just would have to sell my iPad 3 . just don't know if its worth it. My 6yr old daughter is the only one that uses the iPad . I dont think she would care lol.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] BrianDigital:
Def not underwhelmed, it is so much more fluid than the old one, unless I had a bunk nand chip this thing is screaming fast
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] sfhub:
For me the text is smaller, as I choose the small system font and choose to read web pages from the zoomed out view, rather than zooming in. On lower rez screens the text is too blurry to read this way.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] erniev:
Definitely disagree with number 2, kind of agree with number 3, i hope I just have to get used to it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Solutions Etcetera:
I hope so. But more users that are adverse to spending money will not attract new developers. This is the stigma that Android needs to overcome.

While Android is clearly gaining on iOS in terms of user base, the cool stuff is clearly rolling out for iOS first (and in many instances, exclusively), with the Android counterparts feeling much like an afterthought. Regardless of the user numbers, you can't argue that both small startups and big business alike see iOS as the dominant platform for profitability.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] lyall29:
I am very impressed with the screen on the new nexus 7. I really wanted the note 8.0 for the Spen, but after playing with note for 30 minutes, my eyes were burning from the terrible resolution. I will be happy with the nexus 7 until Samsung comes out with a better screen on a tablet.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>this one is hard to beat and the value it brings is undeniable, aside from my original and ongoing assessment that the app/accessory ecosystem is still superior on iPad.

To the first, I agree that new N7 has appealing value, as the old one had. N7 has staked out a strong position against iPad Mini. Even so, the competition in budget 7" surpasses the N7 in some aspects (storage expansion, TV connectivity), at substantively lower prices, and it's not a shoo-in for N7. This isn't a pissing contest, but to point out that the Android eco is getting stronger, with more appealing choices than a single halo device.

The Nexus brand is understandably compelling to fans here, but the brand isn't a strong factor at retail. OEMs tend to push marketing dollars toward their own brands over the Nexus, to wit Samsung's treatment of the N10. Many of the techie checklist items--NFC, Qi charging, S4 Pro, etc--are relatively meaningless to your Walmart shopper. The 1080p screen, while the leading pitch for sales glossies and the digerati, packs a smaller punch at retail where eyeball comparisons are done. Other things (like price) matter more. The OG iPad & iPad2 were best sellers despite the "low" res, and ditto for iPad Mini in outselling iPad 4 Retina.

I'd also point out as influencers and prognosticators go, online tech blogs (which many here hold as gospel) tend to fare poorly. The standout examples are still the Asus Transformer Prime, and to a lesser extent the Infinity, which were universally lauded by the blogs and reviews, yet were fraught with problems and were sales flops. It's an indicator of how badly Asus' hybrid foray bombed on Android that Jonney Shih in his recent interviews didn't mention one word about them.

To the second, devs go where the money is, and software availability will follow expanding market share. According to the recent "market intelligence" report making the rounds, Android has lapped iPad in tablet share, which will translate to more and better app selection, if not for this shopping season, then in 2014. It'll be interesting to see Apple's strategy going forward to reclaim share. One expects a broadening of the iPhone/iPad line-up to cover more price points.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] thaliagoo:
Thanks for the laugh but you assumed I'm a boy (despite the screen name). It's okay, this is the reason I dropped out of engineering, was never comfortable being the only girl out of 30 kids...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cubfan99:
This is exactly my thinking. Besides, the cheap old model is enough for me to get totally convinced I will use the smaller tablet over my ipad. I still don't get all this ranting about the screen. That was never a complaint I heard about last year's model until now. Certainly I didn't hear people saying their eyes were burning and such. :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Vanhoud:
I had to return my second 2013 Nexus 7 for a refund because it just wouldn't turn on for some reason. Not sure what happened, I turned it off and then try to turn it back on a few minutes later and it never woke up :(

I think I'm either going to wait a few months for newer batches or just hold off for the Nexus 5 smartphone
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] MrCapcom:
Only read OP and didnt read the rest but the point about it taking longer to charge doesn't it have a bigger battery? I thought they said it would last a hour longer than the OG N7
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Vanhoud:
It is a slightly smaller battery, but the electronics are more power efficient so it last longer
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] myepicyear:
About Chrome freezing, I know what you're talking about. It will just randomly pause and stutter for 5-8 seconds when scrolling up/down/left/right. I don't know what is causing this all of a sudden, however, I do have a word of advice: Beta--Chrome Beta that is. Most issues that people have with Chrome's Stable channel are not present in Beta.

Every once in a while, it'll get a bit experimental, but as a whole, Beta tends to be more stable than...well..stable. Give that (or another browser) a try. It could very well change your mind.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Macmee:
Here's my experiences:

1. I am in love with the screen on the new one. I'm 19 and have never needed glasses so maybe I'm more picky about DPI.

2. I actually prefer the build of the new N7 over the old. The new N7 feels more sturdy to me, and doesn't seem as bulky. I like how the headphone jack is now on the top.

3. The camera is terrible, oh well.

All in all I don't regret upgrading.

ONE THING that I hope *someone* can tell me: how is the battery life on the new N7 compared to the old N7?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Solutions Etcetera:
I am finding it at least one hour better, but it takes longer to charge. Perhaps that is due to being supplied with a 1 amp ac adapter (the orig N7 came with 2 amp).

At this point, I don't know if connecting it to an ac adapter with more available current will result in faster charging.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Macmee:
The adapter that came with mine is broken so I don't know :(
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cubfan99:
OK, so I am taking a second look after using the old Nexus 7 for more than a week, and I am suitably impressed. The increased speed alone is worth the upgrade price. I'm in, and the old one is up for sale.

Perhaps my first one had a problem, because this one is more saturated and responsive... I have the 16gb one this time. The screen is every bit the equal of my iPad retina.

-- Sent from my Nexus 7 2013 using Tapatalk 4
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
I hate this thing. It does everything so fast that I can't see what its doing. And it lasts so long that I never have to charge it and I keep losing my charger.

Sent from Nexus 7 FHD from XDA Premium HD
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Solutions Etcetera:
LOL... 12+ plus hours on battery, with 6.33+ hours of screen time, and still have 35% battery left.

It's an all day device!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deca4:
I use the Nexus 7 everyday and keep it well maintained. For me there's a huge difference from 1st gen. I use the 2nd daily as well.

On the first day battery life was bad. 2nd day lasted longer, 3rd even longer. I usually power mine off and let it charge through the night. I've had my 2nd gen since July 26 and now my battery life is up to par with the 1st gen. I do watch a lot of YouTube and movies so I do use it heavily. I usually power on my tablet when I wake up and leave it on the charger until I'm ready to use it. I don't put it back in the charger until I go to sleep. It's pretty much dead at that point.

It does suck that the charger is not 2.0 like the first gen but on the bright side charging with the 1.3 is better for the battery meaning your battery will last longer as long you do proper charging. Heat and fast charging is what kills the life expectancy of a battery. They say new batteries are does not affect with memory which is mostly true but heat and fast charging will make the battery go bad faster than usual. I also never charge my tablet when the battery is hot. Btw I have not noticed decrease on the 1st gen battery life and I use the 1.3 charger on my 2nd gen.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] oldblue910:
I purchased a new N7 on Friday and I definitely like it, but I don't love it. I owned the original N7 since release day but ended up selling it for an LTE Galaxy Note 8.0 about a month ago. When the new N7 was announced, I thought about holding out for the LTE model and selling the Note 8.0. I'm glad I didn't, though. The WiFi version will suffice because I don't see myself using the N7 as a daily driver. After using this WiFi model, I definitely would have regretted ditching the LTE Note 8.0 for an LTE Nexus 7.

Pros:

1. That screen! It's like having a miniature Nexus 10!

2. She's FAST!

3. Stock Android and updates from Google.

4. Very comfortable to hold in one hand.

5. The speakers sound pretty good for small mobile device speakers.

Cons:

1. 7" is just too small. After owning an 8" tablet, 7" is tough for things like reading books or playing games.

2. The cameras both suck, but that's universal for almost any tablet on the market.

3. No pen support. I used to think pens on tablets were gimmicks, but I was dead wrong. This is a shame because I could see the Nexus 7 being a perfect size for note taking and sketching.

Overall, as I said, I like it. I just don't love it. I'm happy to have it in my collection but I don't think it'll be used everyday. I'm sure I'll find a good use for it eventually, though.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] OneBlueSky:
To be honest, being as hard on it as possible... I can't think of anything I don't like about it. Honestly the first bit of hardware I have had that I can say that about. It's noticeably better across the board than the Gen 1. The display and battery life alone even if everything else was the same as gen 1 is worth the upgrade to me.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cubfan99:
Took me messing with the former version to appreciate the new one fully. The old one is sluggish as every android tablet I have tried. This one has no lag at all.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] zed011:
Underwhelmed about phone ui apps on a so called tablet. Maybe next year or 2 when apps on the nexus 7 aren't just stretched phone apps like my nexus 4 I'll get one again. Excellent on paper, user experience is meh. At the end of the day, the screen resolution doesn't compensate for lack of apps designed to take advantage of this resolution
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] fevanson:
I agree the old one did feel slightly easier hold, as the bezel was bigger on the older one.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cubfan99:
It's gotten a lot better, IMO. Wasn't the play store supposed to have a Tablet Apps section? I can't find that.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] cyberprodigy:
I honestly have had no problem at all with apps. There is the occasional app that hasn't been updated in years that looks like crap but that's to be expected with an open app store, especially with free apps. Maybe I'm missing something.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] cyberprodigy:
Go to apps then scroll down a bit on the home page to find the "Tablet highlights" section.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Shadowguy:
First few hours with it and I and definitely impressed. My Nexus 4's resolution made me sell my note 10.1 as I got depressed when jumping from phone screen(awesome) to note 10.1 screen(average)

Slight Light Bleed, No Hair or Dust (i am slick afraid to really really check it)

No Dead Pixels!

Cant wait to build me a custom dash for my car and install it!! :good::good:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] zed011:
Occasional app? Flip board is forced to use phone ui even though it has a tablet layout compatible with nexus 10; 7 gets the shaft. If you have ever used an ipad you'll see what I'm trying to get at. The apps take advantage of the physical screen size. A big phone ui app looks like it's for kids to use with these huge buttons and without more dense content
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cubfan99:
Root and get the Xposed per app DPI or maybe try Paranoid ROM.