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[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] flinttownbrown:
I agree. I believe it is the same for ATT in the US, at least in many areas. That's why I'm curious if the ability for our chipset to go into voice mode is simply switched off in the nvram.

If we can get diag mode drivers for QPST then we can have a look and/or compare the contents of the nvram with another similar chip that has voice enabled.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] sukinsyn:
Technical specifications Nexus 7 LTE

Nexus 7 LTE hardware should support GSM, as it described in

Technical specifications

LTE: 700/850/1700/1800/1900/2100 MHz

HSPA+: 850/900/1900/2100/AWS (1700/2100) MHz

GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

Source:

play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_7_32GB_WiFi_Mobile_data_unlocked?id=nexus_7_32gb_2013_lte
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] valent|n0:
it is frustrating

and it seems like the general consensus is that everyone accept the fact that nexus 7 is a tablet and not a phone

or general consensus agree that it is stupid to have nexus 7 hold on your head.

I do realize the notion above

but I disagree with accepting just because it is design as a tablet then the phone function is taken away

I think it is stupid and purely selfish and evil google exec decision. google slogan is don't be evil and i hope they don't forget this

look at how everything evolve. a computer use to be just a word processor. but now it is an all in one multimedia and communication system

a tv used to be just to watch tv show. but now , you can use tv to check emails, browse the internet ect..

a tablet used to be just a tablet.. but a tablet should be able to do everything , especially when it is already equipped with gsm band

a nexus 7 is no more than a enlarged nexus 4 ....

so there is no reason that nexus 7 cannot make gsm calls like nexus 4

I believe the only reason that it can't is because google says no

we need to make this viral and scream louder to google

if enough people supports and scream loud enough it may worked for google engineer to finally enable it :cool: who knows
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] hyperspacey:
With the sole exception of the Asus Panfone (or is it Fonepad?) I can't name a single tablet device that has phone support. It's just not a feature people seem to want. If you want a 7" phone I'd get the Padfonefonepadpadfonefone. The Nexus 7 was never advertised as being able to make phone calls so whining about it is going to do as much good as whining about the fact it doesn't do dial-up internet.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] li_boud:
If your knowledge is limited and you are too lazy to do a simple web search, doesn't mean that tablets dont come with phone support or people dont want it.

Apart from Asus PadFone, there's Samsung Galaxy Note 800, Note 5100, Tab 3, Tab 2, HP Elitepad 900 (Granted it's a windows tab, but still), Lenovo IdeaPad and HCL Me Tab.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] speedyg0nz:
I wanted the list out more tablets with phone function (such as the venerable Samsung Galaxy Tab P1000) but I believe [MENTION=3015911]li_boud[/MENTION] has made the point sufficiently clear. Nevertheless, I don't see the need to criticize or mock either side of the discussion. Let's embrace the spirit of xda-developers and allow the hacking community to explore different possibilities simply because they want to and they can do so. If you don't think the N7 2013 should be used as a phone, we respectfully acknowledge your opinion and ask that you leave this thread, allowing those who are interested to carry on with a meaningful discussion.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] brothenberg:
I have to chip in here.. made an account just now to reply... you guys are going about this the wrong way! Just download Talkatone.. there was an article lately and this works perfect..

Use talkatone as your gmail dialer and you can dial out and receive your google voice calls.. I've been testing it.. it works great.. just link it to your gmail and you can make and receive free US calls..

There are some other apps but they require the other person to have the app installed.. talkatone will use google voice to dial any number.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Kcilorak:
That's really not the point. We all know there are TONS of ways to make a phone call, provided you have an internet connection. The problem is that the hardware is there and the Tablet is perfectly capable of doing this. The device was intentionally crippled to prevent us from using it as a phone, and I , for one, want to.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Alcibiade:
Yes you can also add the Tab 7.7 from Samsung (which I currently own)

Completely agree with you it's tiring to read "A Tablet shouldn't make calls blah blah blah". It's worth having the functionality (My tablet is my main phone), people who don't want to use it as a phone just don't have to.

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Completely agreed.

Hopefully there will be a way to hack Android into letting us make native calls. Unfortunately it seems nobody managed to get it to work for the original Nexus 7, so it's worrying for the future of the 2013 version. Besides there doesn't seem to be many devs motivated by the challenge

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This an ok solution when you live in the US (My case) but definitely not when you live abroad. You're not going to ask your friends/family, etc to call your US number or send international SMS
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] dcnblues:
I feel exactly the same way! It makes me want to scream! WTF? You're making and selling a data device and data plans, but are going to limit how I use that datastream? %&*@!! You!!!!
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] dcnblues:
Well said! Me too. Bump. There are a few places I've seen where people describe having Groove IP working with Nexus 7 without problem. I'd love to get this verified one way or the other...
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] HowardZ:
What is coming next year is Voice over LTE.

Verizon is going to start selling cell phones with only LTE radio inside, and phone calls will be via VOIP.

At somepoint, I guess a few years later, Verizon will shutdown CDMA, and only LTE phones will be able to work on their network.

It is possible Verizon will reinvent VOIP, but it is more likely that standard SIP will be used.

Phones with only an LTE radio.....This sounds alot like the Nexus 7 LTE doesn't it?

I'd imagine that other companies will follow Verizon. It makes the phones a little cheaper (in theory), use less battery power, and the big cell companies can stop paying their governments for the frequencies they will no longer be using.

So, back to the question at hand. I think all one will need on phones and tablets is either SIP VOIP calling included in the Operating System/ROM, or an appropriate SIP calling app like SIPDROID. Using SIP on phone or tablet - can use Google Voice (free via simonics.com for example), or SIP providers, or eventually the cell service providers.

Another option is Skype which is not free for dialing phone numbers and having a Skype phone number for others to call. Skype will need to remain competitive with Voice over LTE from the cell companies. I expect no change in calling rates from the cell phone companies as they are not likely to pass on Voice over LTE savings to the consumer.

So, you can try to figure out how to get GSM calling to work from a N7LTE tablet (lots of luck), or look where voice calling will be moving sometime next year to Voice over LTE (SIP VOIP).
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] blitzkriegh:
can someone verify if you can install whatsapp in the LTE version using a phone sim card (phone+data sim plan?
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] dcnblues:
Bump. Can someone verify that with a wifi connection and google voice, the Nexus 7 can make calls?

If yes, does the 3.5 jack on top have microphone capability for a 3.5 jack gaming headset? Many thanks. I'm researching a ton of options, have no experience modding anything, and am a little lost.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] clubtech:
The 3.5 jack supports mic input on the lte nexus 7.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] magictwins:
Yes, i confirm.

But you won't be able to install it from play. You need to get the apk from elsewhere
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Old_Crow:
Yep, I'd certainly go for the phone capabilities - a bluetooth headset is all that's needed to make it a very useable facility and the mobile could be junked.

:)
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] r9800pro:
I found something today that looks like a hidden menu from "Tests" option in Battery Monitor Widget

I live in Egypt and my netowrk is called Mobinil
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] gierso:
Cool thats the *#*#info#*#* menu that you access in android when you have a dialer..

But as the tablet doesn't have a dialer the menu is difficult to access ( via activities or the widget you mentioned)..

It has a lot of info pertaining to the networks and you can configure the tablet to use 2g 3g or 4g only as well.... It seems that gsm is in service.. So with the proper tools voice should be possible .. But no dialer works as of yet..

Have someone tried a third party dialer??? Like dialer one???

Enviado desde mi Nexus 4 mediante Tapatalk
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Alcibiade:
Several people have managed to enable the native dialer as well as MMS and SIP

The real challenge now is to make calls (It doesnt work :( )
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] jackfrost7:
How different is the hardware in the new nexus 5 from this nexus 7? Is it a possibility to use the dialer/rom/whatever from the 5 on the 7 to get calling to work?
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Alcibiade:
No it won't be possible (Actually the Nexus 4 HW is closer to he Nexus 7)

Here is where things stand so far: can have SMS, MMS, the native dialer for SIP

Synman has done a ROM where they are enabled: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2515884
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Raverbunny:
I'm using Synman's GwT 4.4 rom and I can confirm sms and mms work natively. There is a dialler but can't make gsm calls.

For those without a dialler, you can get into service menu using hidden menus app from the Playstore
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] senpaidev:
figured out a way

I seem to hav figured out a way it may work. Out here in india we dont even get proper 3g in most places let alone 4g lte. And most data traffic is via gprs edge or gsm. So what i figure out is that one can wait for google to get nexus 7 2013 here which im eagerly waiting... Get d drivers and try to implement them in US models. Cos if google wants data to be there in their device here they will surely hav to put in a fallback gprs r gsm option. Hope this works out...
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] abdul_wahhab:
Will give it a try got my N4 backup with me and if succeeded will post the apk :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Alcibiade:
Forget it. I tried, it's definitely much more complicated than this. You need to change some of the framework files (Synman did it in his ROM), but even after that you don't get the phone to work. Some people suspect the carriers prevent devices with Nexus 7 IMEI to make calls. I am not that sure (I doubt they check constantly IMEI), but anyway so far nobody managed to make calls
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] befreshshaveivorysalesoap:
It doe now if you include google hangout new's version
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Gizmoriderful:
Answer

Hello.

I just had to make account to say, that only reason for not enabling voice calls is that it would seriously eat the market off from their phones. Think about it, tablet 1/3 cost of a phone with practically same usability and apps, and bigger screen. They rather have you 1. Buy both or 2. Buy phone instead.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Zilliman:
So is there any way at all to use the Nexus 7 2013 as a phone, ie make and receive calls and send and receive SMS messages?
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Zilliman:
I think the extra premium is for the size - not many people care for a 7" "phone" that does not fit in any conceivable trouser pocket, therefore the prices are lower than for ordinary phones which do fit in your pocket and you can put on your ear.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Nexus7Phone:
Google Loses Major Market Opportunity

Prices are lower because marketing goofballs decided so. There is no logical reason based upon cost analysis which requires it to be so. Customers are being farmed by Google here, and herded into behavior patterns. You are NOT to use this device as a phone. It is one, technically, but this feature has been purposely deactivated by Google to prevent you from doing what you wish with the technology included in your Phablet. It is a Phablet which had the P removed. We could nickname such devices DISablets, for "Purposely Disabled Phablets".

While technological progress and customer driven marketing is all about empowering people, Google chooses to remove our abilities and make us DISABLED> Thanks Google !

I for one am giving away my 32G Nexus 7 2013 LTE after giving up on Google forever. I heartily recommend that you all encourage others to abandon ship because I cannot forgive Google for sabotaging their own products in order to milk the market. Already their company behavior is all about Google First, but in this case it is far worst, it is about Google Customers = YOU LAST

They really hope we would See No Evil, but Evil is a good way to resume their choices in the case of the Nexus 7 Phablet.

in this case they were able to push it far enough to prevent the hacking community from prevailing, so they have engaged in a war against all of us who seek Freedom in using our own bought and paid for devices, wishing to do as we see fit with our own property. Google apparently not only believes that once we buy the product it remains theirs to briddle, but also that once we buy the product we become their property, for Google to decide what we might do. Google = Evil.

Sorry for the rant, but I am done for good in ever buying another Google product. As soon as the Samsung Tab Pro 8.4 is released, that will become my Phablet. It is too bad that the perfect suit jacket inside pocket format of this device made it the ideal form factor for a large Phablet. Google had every ingredient for a winning device, but they decided to be a loosing company. They deserve to be defeated.

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[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Zilliman:
Actually I agree with you.

Firstly the Nexus 7 2013 LTE has really no much to go for it. It is an overhyped and overpriced tablet. As tablets go you can get the same or better and cheaper. The only advantage is it lets you install new ROMs easily. How useful is that to the average consumer though? On the minus side, not only it does not offer any great features, it suffers with all those screen issues, read the thousands of posts. I sent mine back for a full refund.

I now have got a Chinese 6.5" phone, which is 0.5" smaller and does not have 4G - but still has quad core, 2 SIMs, and HD 1080x1920 beautiful screen. With no screen issues. It beats the pants out of the nexus 7. And did I mention it comes with all the other goodies, like instant-lock-on GPS, 16MP camera with strong flash at the back and 5MP camera at the front?

In this year we will see plenty of Chinese LTE, octa core phones and phablets. No reason to buy into the corporate scams called Google and Amazon other than they brainwash you with advertisements (especially Amazon).

I have formed the opinion that Google is not all that is hyped to be. They made their name with their search engine. Then they took their assorted talent to try and make an OS for phones. Phones that have 4 and 8 CPUs mind you. And what did they produce with their talent? A bastardised copy of Linux, they could not even start one from scratch, and on top of that a primitive system, as if written by a 3 year old. Only now with 4.4 do we get to see "OS" features like "user accounts" and I am not sure I can print anything from all those applications yet. It's been how many years before I will be able to print an article at my home printer. Imagine taking Windows and removing the "Print" option from every application.

The ideal tablet for me will be one where I can run real-life applications, not a toy like all those phones/tablets running Android. As such I would want it to run Windows (the proper Windows OS not the RT version) so I can use the tablet on the move instead of carrying my laptop.

The Chinese are now offering Windows with their tablets, and a good thing too.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Pandae:
You two complain an awful lot. You seem to have mistaken this forum for somewhere else.

Good for you. Want a cookie? Does it even have Android 4.3, or just JB ROMs that most off-brand Android devices come with? How much more did you pay than an N7? And to whom will you turn to for support should it croak? Do you have the ease of flashing a stock ROM should it get bricked? Is there even any custom development, or are you just stuck with stock? Is there even a forum you can ran on with other buyers?

If you can show us other tablets with good processors and such screen resolution in the $200 range -- and not the new Kindle, mind you -- then please do so. On another forum, preferably.

Now if you want to talk about another OS, "Chinese" and "Windows" should raise suspicion when used in such proximity. If anything, such devices will need 32 gigs of storage to have the same free storage as a 16-gig Android tablet, and more horsepower to have the same performance. They also cost a C note more.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Zilliman:
I paid in the region of $300. For comparison I also paid $300 for the Nexus 7 LTE. The difference is that no matter what version the OS or the ease for installing new ROMs, or all the other "advantages" you have mentioned, the Nexus cannot make or receive calls. Plus it has a ****ty screen and a "grounding" issue.

You can sit there with your beloved nexus and download ROMs to it all day, you still will no be able to make or receive phonecalls. Which is the topic of this thread in case you have missed it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Pandae:
That's just the thing: for what you claim is the same price (and I didn't find any 6.5" Chinese tablets with a 16mp rear camera), what have you lost more than you gained? What support do you have if something goes wrong? The notion of a 7" phone is so foreign to most people, and it would require more hardware anyway, that it isn't worth it for most manufacturers to attempt. But you can try your luck with the Chinese stuff, especially the stuff coming with Windows.

There's a very easy fix that many, myself included, used to fix Nexus 7 screen problems, and I've discovered that certain apps cause screen problems (alleviated with a reboot). So like I already said, you two complain an awful lot, and on the wrong forum. There was a topic of the thread until you and your buddy hijacked it to start your foam-mouthed ranting.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Pandae:
In a thread that's about the inability of a plain LTE tablet, which by nature lacks the hardware for voice calls, you've been complaining an awful lot about other things. You couldn't just leave it at "no voice call support," but had to bring up the screen issues -- something that you quietly dropped when I pointed out the easy fix.

YOU are the one "smoking something bad," "friend." To everyone but you and the other guy, you two are the only ones complaining it can't make phone calls, when the tablet was never designed for that. Your analogy of a car that can't move is just about the most idiotic thing posted to XDA. Congratulations, you've earned another cookie, and your well-earned dunce cap.

Actually, nobody else but you and your fanboy needed that information. It's common knowledge there are a lot of phablets, but you're being ludicrous to suggest a market for the extremely large screens. A phone with a 10" screen. Yeah, that's about as practical as the wire mesh umbrella you have by your door.

Most people don't want big screens. Your argument is utterly invalid. Moreover, people don't buy phones or tablets to be as "productive" as a laptop. Your comparison is utterly illogical.

It's $100 more expensive. That can be "much more expensive" for people of your intelligence level who make minimum wage,

I keep my phone and tablet separate for two reasons: I don't want a device with a 6.5" or 7" screen in my pocket, nor do I want to tote around a 10" phone. My 4-ounce phone is just that, a device purely for communication that's light and unnoticeable in my pocket whether I'm wearing a suit or jeans. If I take my tablet with me, it's only because I need a tablet's functions, not because I have to fill a single pocket to stay in mobile communication.

You know what's so silly about your Chinese toy? You don't even have Android 4.3 on there. Forget a custom ROM -- do you even have a custom recovery? Do you have ANY support at all if something goes wrong? It's not just "in the neighborhood" of $300, but at least $320, and with just an A7 at its core. HA! You really are to laugh. Wow, the one thing you can do better than a Nexus 7 LTE is to make phone calls...the one thing. That's all right, though, go be content with your phone, and the rest of will snicker at your benchmark scores. I already snicker at guys like you holding up huge phones to your ear, as if you think you're back in the 80s holding a boombox on your shoulder.

If the Nexus 7 were meant for phone calls, it would require additional hardware that makes it more expensive. And since it is fact that the vast majority of consumers (verified by polls) do not want screens as huge as 7" for a phone, it's pointless for Google to make a third version that would have all the success of Apple's Pippin. For all Google's faults, one of them is not failing to produce a competitive phone with an impractically large 7" display.

So quit your trolling. Go complain on another forum.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Nexus7Phone:
Nexus 7 as a PHABLET ?

From my handle here, you can guess my interest in buying a Nexus 7 2013. Incorrectly, since it was hyped as offering on board 4g which to the non techies is pretty much a Phone Service protocol, I improperly assumed it would work as a Phone once I inserted my unlimited international SIM Card. This is maybe because I came to Android from the Samsung family, and it seems that Koreans have more respect for Phablet buyers than Google does - they don't pay their engineers to amputate features, especially important ones such as using your phone SIM to make phone calls. You can't even quickly insert and remove your sim without a tiny impractical tool - during this time going without phone service. In Europe they don't sell - to my knowledge - data only SIM subscriptions to get you to pay a second time for access to the 4G Network. But I could be wrong, please correct me if needed.

Unlike others here I am in Europe, where it cost me more than $400 and there is NO RETURNS for any such products here. I was even ready to pay more, due the the unrecoverable sunk costs, for a watch to have it vibrate since they also made sure it has no vibrator on board in case a genius in this forum was able to hack the Nexus 7 to give it native dialing and voice calls.

So, for the cost of a Phablet I am without a phone, using an antiquated flip top phone after my $800 phone got stolen. This is what ires many people. Overseas there is NO GOOGLE VOICE OPTION. I tried all the workarounds, getting a CallCentric phone number hoping to go without native voice calls, but they cancelled my phone number asking for a US Landline Phone number to call me at to verify my identity. After weeks of trying to figure out a way to work this, I am legitimately ired at Google for not marketing this product overseas as being unable to make calls with, the stores don't tell you either. If this happened in the USA Google would have a Class Action Lawsuit. However, they are playing with the legal void and toying with unsuspecting overseas consumers, who are getting played.

Of course, we'll just have to move on. But it isn't just venting a bad mood to put this message here. Google staff read these threads and they ought to pay attention and alert their management who are definitely fumbling the ball and might lose the game for their department. Profit taking isn't all there is to doing business. FWIW.

Nexus7Phone