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[HTC Droid DNA] Groovysunflowers:
So confused!

Well I went by the AT&T store to play with the phone. Only confirmed even more how much I want it lol. So I drove to my nearest Verizon retailer and got some pretty disheartening news from an employee! Lemme play out how our conversation went:

I asked the guy if he gets a lot of questions about the HTC One; he said no, and before I could ask he told me they weren't getting it there. This is the store in West Monroe, LA, I don't know the store number though. I said, "oh so not this store? Maybe in Monroe?" And he said that he meant they're not getting it at all. Verizon passed up the opportunity for the phone because "It's an ok phone. The only good thing about the phone is the front facing speakers." I told him that feature was one of the main selling points for me, and reminded him that it is one of the top rated smartphones of this year! He said if the speakers intrigue me I should just buy an external speaker to hook up to my phone. And then he told me that the last time he checked his product line up 4-5 weeks ago the phone wasn't listed. I said, "what about a chance of a Droid variant? Like what happened with the Butterfly turning into the DNA? Is that a possibility?" And he said no to that too. He told me if they do decide to get the phone it would be a last minute thing they'd spring onto the employees and that a major reason why they're not getting it is compatibility issues. I said I understood the differences between radio bands but the phone already passed through FCC.

I told him if they get it Thursday I'm marching up there and rubbing it in his face and letting him know he needs better training lol. He said "please do." So either he's lying, he's misinformed, he's lying because he's misinformed, or he's obviously biased against the phone. Either Verizon keeps their employees in the dark to cover up leaks and rumors, or the employees are not getting the proper amount of training time for these phones, or someone is lying/misinformed. I told him about the Verizon facebook page and twitter and how they confirm the phone is coming but he said he doesn't know about it coming Thursday.
[HTC Droid DNA] Dri94:
I think he was a misinformed employee. Whether the 1st or 15th. I'll put money that their getting it. Or he wanted you to buy something then for commission
[HTC Droid DNA] [TSON]:
Anyone who buys into Verizon JUMP has earned my sympathy. It's a complete and utter scam, and it's in black and white, too. Don't let marketing terms throw you off. If you want a new phone every 6 months, either buy it outright or go over to T-Mobile and use their JUMP plan.
[HTC Droid DNA] ickedmel:
HTC one is a very nice awesome phone but we are like the last carrier to get it when it does come out which is when august 1st soooooo why would I go out buy this phone 2 months or less there will be another phone like the Motorola or whatever. I mean that's always going to be the case I'm just not interested we're the last ones to get this.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
That's one uninformed employee... Verizon already confirmed 100% they are getting it...
[HTC Droid DNA] Groovysunflowers:
I know, right? It really makes me weary of going up there to buy it...might just skip them altogether and do the process online so he doesn't feed me anymore bs lol
[HTC Droid DNA] Shahaed:
Yeah no kidding. Big Red has awesome coverage but are terrible at everything else. I want to switch so bad. But in Iowa, Verizon & US cellular are the only names in LTE. And I'm never going to us cellular...

No buy it there. Make sure he's working. And buy it from someone else in front of him. He deserves it...
[HTC Droid DNA] Groovysunflowers:
Haha you're totally right, that would really show him! And same here for me, I'm in a dead zone for every other carrier other than verizon so I'm stuck even if I wanted to switch...AT&T doesn't get LTE, only 4G at best but call quality is horrible, and with sprint and t mobile I get 2G coverage at best :/ I was considering buying it unlocked and putting in a Straight Talk sim but I'm confused on whether it would use Tmo's spotty coverage since they're with straight talk or if it would use att's coverage...ah well, here's hoping I can just get it on Thursday :)
[HTC Droid DNA] Shahaed:
Haha, we probably sound really snobby right now. However, I worked at Best Buy in high school. One of the first rules was not to patronize the customer. At the end of the day I was a High School kid working at Best Buy, and the guy I'm selling to might have invented the damn thing I'm selling.
[HTC Droid DNA] Groovysunflowers:
rldoEu the

I agree. I won't be outright mean to the kid but I will make sure it is ONE sale he won't get commissioned for :) Haha, see what I did there? ;) When I do go up there it will be mostly out of curiosity - I'm curious to find out if he was purposely lying or in fact wasn't aware of it at all due to lack of training ahead of time. He didn't push me once to buy something else in store, so he seemed genuinely innocently ignorant lol. Or a good liar haha. But he will know it's things like that that could push potential buyers into the stores of other carriers. I could have easily left because of him (but I would never give up my LTE lol). Maybe it will teach him further conversational techniques for the future :)
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
Okay looks like the one is August 15th now due to software issues... Sounds like 4.2.2 might be a possibility....
[HTC Droid DNA] Phaded:
Called it
[HTC Droid DNA] rogerwalker22:
I still have yet to find anything confirming this. How do you know August 15th?

---------- Post added at 02:18 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:14 AM ----------

I just went to verizonwireless.com. if you click shop, smartphones, then select htc the DNA is not listed there anymore. Just yesterday I know it was but said out of stock....
[HTC Droid DNA] rogerwalker22:
Well here's all the confirmation I need =]
[HTC Droid DNA] abrego47:
I was checking Verizon also, and no DNA in stock.
[HTC Droid DNA] BBEgo:
Will the current Moonshine S-off method likely work on the Verizon HTC One?

Sent from my HTC DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] josh995:
I have to disagree. I plan on using Verizon Edge. But I have different circumstances.

I always buy my phones outright, to avoid contracts. With Verizon Edge, it just allows me to spread the payments out over 24 months, saving me money in the short term.

If it turns out I want to upgrade my phone after 6 months, or even 12 months, I'll just pay off the total remaining balance, sell the phone, and then go and get a new phone with Edge.

I'm bummed the One got pushed back to the 15th, but I'm currently using an iPhone 5 so it's not like I don't have a phone. Can't wait for the Verizon HTC One though!
[HTC Droid DNA] trickster2369:
I love this logic.

I think I'll justify paying more to someone over a year instead of paying for it outright.

Makes perfect sense to me.

I'll stick with my logic.

If you can't pay cash, you can't afford it.

josh995, this is not directed at you personally.

Sent from my Nexus 10
[HTC Droid DNA] josh995:
I'm glad it's not directed at me, because I can afford it. I buy new phones, outright, quite often. I just think it's nice to be able to not have to pay up front if I don't have to. It's essentially zero interest financing. I have a 0% interest auto loan. Does that mean I can't afford my car? Or my 2.25% mortgage on my house. Does that mean I can't afford my house?

I'm not trying to say this in a mean way, but to say that people who don't pay cash for things can't afford what they're buying is completely inaccurate.

And, it doesn't cost more to pay over time with Verizon Edge. No interest, no upgrade fees. Just the price of the phone, divided into 24 payments.
[HTC Droid DNA] Phaded:
Do you have unlimited data? If so Edge isn't available to you
[HTC Droid DNA] josh995:
No I came back to Verizon after they switched to share everything. I only use like 1gb of data per month. Have wifi at home and work luckily.
[HTC Droid DNA] Shahaed:
Buying phones outright is always the best. However having to pay a payment system built for subsidized phones phones sucks.
[HTC Droid DNA] shobon:
*Buying phones outright is the best for people who can afford it.

Some of us simply can't afford paying $600 all at once for a new phone, and Verizon Edge/T-Mobile Jump are exploiting that market, which I believe is a great move business-wise. I know in the long run you'd be paying more for the device, but I personally don't care and would gladly hop on Edge in order to get a better device if mine kicked the bucket or I get bored with the DNA even if it was for a few more dollars than what the phone is worth.
[HTC Droid DNA] Shahaed:
No. T-Mobile JUMP is exploiting that market. Verizon is offering you a method to rent/lease a phone. When you pay half of it off (e.g $300-400), you get to start new lease after you turn in your phone. During that whole time you have to pay the same phone bill I am, even though I get a $600-800 phone for $100-200. Verizon rips you off. Plain and simple. The fact they don't offer you unlimited data is an extra kick to the balls.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
Yes but you don't get to upgrade at reduced cost for two years... Thus you're locked in. Versus edge where you can after you pay half off. I understand where you're coming from but for people who upgrade often it becomes worthwhile. Better than normal anyway.
[HTC Droid DNA] Shahaed:
If you want to lose money, go right ahead.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
How is it losing money? Its the same if I bought it outright... Only spread out...
[HTC Droid DNA] Shahaed:
1. You lose the subsidized phone price (~$400) every two years. Not a big deal.

2. You have to turn in your phone when you get a new one. Phones retain their value pretty well if you keep it in good shape.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
second part I agree with though I usually use that money to pay for the next anyways... How do I lose the subsidy when I pay it when I get my new phone for the subsidy... Maybe I'm missing something here or don't k ow how edge works but its pretty much the same thing minus more upgrades...
[HTC Droid DNA] Shahaed:
You always pay full price for the phone with Edge.

Example. Me and you both start with Verizon. Same time. Have the same plan. (You have to use the pricing plans set up to make a profit over subsidized phones--unlike T-Mobile who cut their month-to-month plans down so it's fair) Let's assume a phone is $700. I do it normal, you use Edge. After two years we call it quits. (Zombie apocalypse or whatever)

I buy the phone. Pay $200. After a year, I'm fed up with it and buy a new one. $700. Total, I've spent $900 and I keep both phones.

You use Edge. After a year you pay off $350 for the phone. Upgrade. You turn it in the old phone. After a year you finish paying the $700 on the new phone. Total, you've spent $1050 and only have one phone.

You feel me?
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
That's making the assumption that it takes me a year to pay it off though... From what I'm understanding I can pay it off in six months. It would be total cost 700-200 (subsidy) and thus 500 left and assume I pay it below half after six months which is the example they're using. I see your point but its all based on when you pay it off. Or maybe I'm really retarded lol. Not trying to come across arrogant maybe I'm over thinking this.
[HTC Droid DNA] Shahaed:
God, no. I'm the one probably coming off arrogant. I'm just trying to show that it isn't as good as it seems. Or any good in that case.

You have to pay the phone half off to upgrade with Edge. And you get no discounts. :p
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
Okay I think I was skipping something... Hmm... I think I may have been making an assumption. Well in that case I really wish I were on T-Mobile lol
[HTC Droid DNA] Phaded:
Even if you pay it off in 6 months, you still have to trade in the old phone to get a new one. Droid Life did a little break down... It's quite confusing haha

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/16/comparing-verizon-att-and-t-mobiles-new-upgrade-plans/
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
Okay I think I am understanding this now.... I didn't know the phones were "free" upfront... Therefor.... yea I took 200 off the top for the subsidy and didn't realize I was getting hit twice... I see it now.
[HTC Droid DNA] nitsuj17:
at this point im just going to wait for the one maxx to hit verizon in the fall

granted i wont buy another htc phone until they update the dna to 4.2.2 (out of principle)
[HTC Droid DNA] karn101:
You don't trade the phone in if you paid it off. You have the *option* of trading it in once you've paid off 50% of the phone and they will not expect you to pay off the remaining balance which allows you to get a new phone.

Also, Edge is not a contract renewal. If you start your contract in 2013, you can use Egde for a phone in 2014, and then buy a subsidized phone in 2015.

There is no difference in buying a phone outright (brand new) or using Edge. Edge just allows you to split the price into monthly payments.

Not sure where this confusion is coming from. Again, you do not have to trade in a phone if you've paid it off. So, saying that buying a phone outright is cheaper than Edge really makes no sense as it's the same damn thing.

The only thing is that you have to be on a Data Shared plan for Edge so it's of no use to those of us on unlimited.
[HTC Droid DNA] Shahaed:
I get how edge works. My example was used assuming you used edge for the long run.

In short Edge is a two year loan with no interest.

My point is I don't like it because Verizon didn't cut their no contract prices.
[HTC Droid DNA] karn101:
Your post I quoted stated differently. That's the only reason I quoted you. I don't see what's not to like. It's an additional option that we didn't have before. You can just not use Edge and get a subsidized phone every 2 years.

I don't get where all the hate for Edge is from. If they charged a fee to use Edge, then I would understand.
[HTC Droid DNA] Shahaed:
I never brought up false information about Egde. I showed one particular scenario. I also explained why I don't like Edge. They should cut their non contract prices
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
His main point which I missed is the hidden fees are still there. Regardless if you're in contract or not.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
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[HTC Droid DNA] typeriz:
Verizon can move the droid phones.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
Link? Every single search I've seen and every link now points towards the 15th to avoid the Moto X. Droid phones are already out.... Also different market. http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/31/verizon-htc-one-launch-bumped-to-august-15/ Pretty much everything says this now. In fact upon a search nothing came up for august 29th...
[HTC Droid DNA] Dri94:
Anyone want to loan me 300 dollars? :D
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
If you loan it to me first :).
[HTC Droid DNA] crazyg0od33:
so now it looks like it's pushed to the 29th?

It's really starting to get frustrating now.

I go o vacation the 15th and I wanted to grab it and take it with me :(

I'll be back in school on the 29th and it'll be really hard for me to ick it up.

Side question: I REALLY like to unbox my own phones, but when I buy them at BB, they always open it for me to activate. Can I just tell them to give me the upgrade, ad then take it home still boxed and unbox / activate everything myself? Do I NEED to do all of that in the store to get the upgrade pricing?
[HTC Droid DNA] typeriz:
29th isn't even definate, it could push in to the first week of septemeber!!! F*ckn Verizon and there droid phones coming in the way. Just give us what we want
[HTC Droid DNA] ickedmel:
That's pretty ridiculous.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
My upgrade is on the 24th. This kinda sucks. I saw the new rumor hopefully that blue is an option I really like it.
[HTC Droid DNA] rogerwalker22:
I was on the phone with Verizon the other night and she told me with Edge if you're already in a 2 year contract you will have to wait until that contract is up before you can take advantage of Edge. With Edge there is no contract so you're month to month.
[HTC Droid DNA] thecrazy88:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/wcms/consumer/devices/htc-one.html

Well this doesn't give an exact release date but it can't be to far away.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
Yea of course you'll have to wait. You think they'd just let you out of your current contract? Hell would freeze over lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] mracrawford:
Now that the HTC One Max is showing it's face I REALLY don't know what to do..
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
I'm not going to wait for the max though I have to admit the moto x looks tempting. Every review so far has shown specs are only as good as the software allows them. I have to play with one to know.
[HTC Droid DNA] TruthAEE:
A dual core snap4 kinda lame for what they are charging for it
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
As I just said though specs aren't everything... Also its very close to stock. Read the reviews... They're really positive. Each to their own though.
[HTC Droid DNA] frostysnowman3567:
Dang, now its September 5th
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
No... Can't be true... they have a sifnup page and even accessories listings... Wtf.... :(
[HTC Droid DNA] foolie:
I don't recall a time where the timestamp on verizon phone graphic was indicative of the actual launch. I'm still hoping its before the end of Aug.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
All of the leaks from officinal sources.
[HTC Droid DNA] freddie813:
I'll put this here

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/08/16/verizon-htc-one-finally-launches-august-22-for-199/

https://twitter.com/VZWnews/status/368366543379247104

FINALLY a date. I wanted this phone so bad. I originally wanted the DLX/DNA, but caught wind of the M7 and played the waiting game way too long. Finally in April-May picked up the DNA off of Craigslist, HUGE improvement from my Rezound. Still have the DNA and I love it.

I've still followed the HTC ONE and have curiousity.. I really want to hear those front facing speakers, and compare the cameras. I will likely go check it out next Thursday..

If I get it, I'll replace my girlfriend's Rezound with my used DNA. (Wow that sounds bad!)
[HTC Droid DNA] Jaggar345:
August 22
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
Good thing. Well my upgrade is ready. Will try in store and get this **** rolling.
[HTC Droid DNA] times_infinity:
Only a week passed the rumoured date. Not bad.
[HTC Droid DNA] bignazpwns:
Not a world phone. No inductive charging. No thanks. Seems like the DNA souls still be the flagship phone. I'll keep the DNA and be happy.
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
I have never bought a phone from anywhere but Verizon. My store has stopped the bill to account in store option and usually I pay for my new phone with my old phone through ebay. I see they aren't taking pre-orders but wirefly is. Is wirefly reputable? It is also only 149.99 on wirefly. Anything I'm missing out on going through this method?
[HTC Droid DNA] antdog24:
I've used wirefly when I got my Inc2 and my wife's Stratosphere... no problems receiving or activating the phone through them.
[HTC Droid DNA] who MIKE D:
I guess it's officially gonna be here this Thursday :eek:
[HTC Droid DNA] jbh00jh:
VZW dude said on Twitter today it will launch on Aug. 22nd for $199.

Sent from my 4G LTE DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] cstrife999:
About the only question left is colors. Its all but confirmed 4.2.2 :). Hoping for some more color options.
[HTC Droid DNA] BBEvolution:
Wirefly only offers silver and red? Where is the black, a verizon exclusive ?
[HTC Droid DNA] jbh00jh:
Twitter said silver.

Sent from my 4G LTE DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] jbarcus81:
Never fear Wirefly.. They are amazing.. My experience with them was great. Got my DNA there and my mothers Droid Razr M .. Great support!! Had a hiccup activating the DNA at first, they fixed it for me and was painless and took seconds...
[HTC Droid DNA] mustbepbs:
The only thing to fear is their ETF if you change anything about your line that affects the line you upgraded from them on. They'll hit you with a huge ETF. Read the fine print before you buy!
[HTC Droid DNA] jbarcus81:
Didn't happen to me... not at all.. I was over due an upgrade anyway so.. worked out great!!
[HTC Droid DNA] ocman40:
Yep, the DNA remains the better phone imo. Ill be glad to have an updated 4.2.2 sense 5 rom though.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
What makes you think the Dna is better than the One? Both great devices but the One has the edge for me. Love my dna and will for sure be running an official vzw sense 5 rom now.
[HTC Droid DNA] ocman40:
The hardware differences are negligible, the DNA has the slightly bigger screen (I cant go back to smaller now) and yes I have used a one.
[HTC Droid DNA] blackstallion:
One definitely has the edge with the front facing speakers. I hate the DNAs external speaker on the back. I do a lot of Netflix and other video streaming and having the front facing speakers would be awesome. The screen size difference will be negligible.

Sent from my Droid DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] donnyp1:
I will only use best buy now, just for the $10 a month no deductible service.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Yeah i messed around with my buds One and the speakers are awesome.
[HTC Droid DNA] ickedmel:
The one is def a nice phone I just think it's a stupid play by Verizon to release this in august months after release. I just really think it's best not to rush into this. Even though there's something always around the corner best bet I think would be save some dollars wait for the newest product then get it. The only difference on this one is the logo ? No exclusives for our carrier? I mean if your contract is up and you're going to get it for the 200 then fine but paying full price or whatever it's like this is for suckers that don't know any better or know that this phone has been out nothing new here.

Edit: or maybe with the whole edge plan coming this is exactly what they wanted. Would make sense.
[HTC Droid DNA] croppz:
Well, VZW is all about their money and not their customers, so I completely understand why they did this move. I'm not too sure I'll be keeping my contract with them after this one is up (I upgraded in Jan and got the DNA). Only because they mistakenly gave me my unlimited back after I upgraded 20 days early over the phone with them knowing I would get switched to share everything. I just don't think they will make that mistake again ahha.
[HTC Droid DNA] jaymazz13:
Its finally here!!!
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clintono316:
How do I go about changing permissions on system files to write (rwxr--r--)... would like to try Nbsss 's ram script... Thanks for any reply...
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Groid:
First, you have to be rooted. Second, you need a root file manager installed such as Root Explorer (paid app worth every penny) or ES File Explorer (free, but I never used it) and there are others. Navigate to the system file you want to change permissions on, allow read/write access, long-press the file, choose permissions. rwx, means to put checkmarks in read, write, execute for Owner, and check Read for Group and Others.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clintono316:
Thanks for the info...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Firegrill:
Any way to get a custom carrier logo in the status bar like in miui for 4.3?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kreateablaze:
Why would anyone want that? It's funny, if a phone comes with it there everyone wants a mod to get rid of it. This didn't have it and you want it?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Firegrill:
Sorry for any confusion but I meant a custom carrier logo
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] stas12:
Hello.

I want to upodate to win2005 but i have a question. Is it have a thing that after a hard reset it installs itsekf celar without any program?

and second is the win2005 is multi language? is there a hebrew?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Rayan:
Yes, you have the option to clear the Storage and Registry

No, it's WWE (World Wide English)

Peace!