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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>One of the benefits of slimport is the ability to use HDMI and charge the phone.

That's a bit misleading, as one would be led to thinking that you can charge through the HDMI port, which isn't the case. As with MHL, you have to use a separate cable to plug into the dongle's side, which then has to be plugged into a power source.

"Includes extra micro USB slot for power adapter (sold separately)"

If you read the customer reviews, one of the complaints is that the charging can't keep up with the phone, and eventually the phone battery will run out.

http://www.amazon.com/SlimPort®-SP1002-Connect-connector-Supports/dp/B009UZBLSG

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3OQR26788BQT0/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B009UZBLSG&nodeID=172282

>The original didn't have SD slot and HDMI, so why is this a deal breaker now.

The original also didn't cost 50% more than the present competition, which has both of these things and no need to resort to proprietary dongles. Times change and the bar is now higher. We're not in 2012 any more.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jptech:
That's a good deal unless, like me, you got an LG Optimus G. Which is basically the flagship cousin of the N4.

My phone has the same specs or better except the battery and resolution. It's not so definite for me.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] veeman:
Am I the only one that thinks the new nexus 7 looks like crap?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] fatboypup:
Yes
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Ravynmagi:
I guess it depends on what it is you think looks like crap. There are people that hate the bezels apparently. Though I think they look okay. Overall I think the tablet looks great, even better than the previous one.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>However when Google announced Chromecast, I suddenly found I have no need for micro HDMI, Miracast, or Slimport. So I'm happy.

I wish I can be as optimistic for a 2.4GHz streaming adapter stuck behind the TV (which further attenuates the signal). If 1080p streaming were feasible through 2.4, then we would have had it long before now, and there'd be no need for such advances like 802.11n or 802.11ac. Those still aren't fast enough, BTW.

It's too bad Goog opted for the walled-garden route, just as Apple and MS did, when it has already implemented support for an existing standard in Miracast. I suppose it's somewhat understandable, as after a platform reaches critical mass, as Android has, then thoughts turn to how to best monetize it. All businesses are the same on that score--"do no evil" slogans notwithstanding. What surprised me however is why Google stuck with 2.4-only tech. It's a low-bandwidth, congested band used by all manners of wireless devices. I don't understand why 802.11ac isn't supported. Both Apple and MS have.

Being proprietary has its downsides, in that other than the handful of content producers that Google managed to wrangle, other (competing) players aren't likely to sign on to what is a Google-controlled protocol. If this is indeed Goog's play for the TV (this time around), it'll be just one more proprietary choice in the sea of proprietary choices.

I think you are overly rosy in your depiction, as Windows and Mac support is said to be "still in the early days." What's notable is that Chrome (the browser) is apparently turning into Google's version of Apple iTune, in that it is used to leverage PC functionality to boost Android's reach. Google's cloud print also relies on Chrome to print to PC printers.

>"Moar pixels", hell yeah. 1280x800 looked awesome last year. This year it doesn't to me.

Yes, this is the normal early adopter view, when new tech is desirable for its own sake, rather than for any justifiable reason. I readily agree that, among early adopters here, mine is the minority view. Outside of these forums, the opposite applies, however.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mrazndead:
It seems pretty great to me. For a new buyer of nexus this is great. But if have a nexus 7 recently it might not be a huge leap. I just got my n7 6 months ago, I'm happy with it, I can sell it for 150. But I'm going to keep it and wait for the N7 3. Would be an iPad killer if it has microsd(long shot) and pen input with it, a la galaxy 8. Flash for back camera. 199 price and its a wrap for other tablets
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] lordlad:
i am sure the threadstarter will change his tune once he got the new one...

i can kinda understand his mentality...we will always defend our purchase choices........until we got the new purchase............to quote an example, i've seen ppl from the apple side that complained the iphone 5 is just a longer iphone 4s and am not impressed...yadda yadda...but after they upgraded they are saying it's the best iphone ever...

it's all in the individual mind to self-justify what you own and your purchasing decision..
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Dark Jedi:
I think most people wouldn't use HDMI. So if you need a HDMI output then I guess the nexus line isn't for you. Would a SD slot be nice to have. Sure but is it needed not really. With they way cloud network has taken off you can just put your music on a cloud and free up space for your other needs. WiFi access in the public is being more readily available as time goes on and I guess I am lucky to still have an u limited data plan so I can tether my Verizon phone to my n7. I don't see how the new n7 pricing is high as I paid $200 after taxes for my n7. So $50 more for the N7² isn't bad as you do get upgraded stuff.

Sure companies like Samsung HTC Motorola and so on will have more sales over nexus devices as people hears Google nexus and think its some off brand when in fact its built by one of the companies I just mentioned. I bought my son a galaxy tab² for Xmas and after he played with it a few weeks he asked if he could use my N7 to see how it compared to his tablet. I said go ahead and after a few minutes he said why is my tablet so slow and the screen looks terrible? He then said daddy can we trade I like your N7 better. The tab² is in the same price range as the N7. So just because there are other tablets in the same price range. Does not mean they are better than the N7. Plus we can root our nexuses pretty easily compares to the other tablets just like the phones you have to go through the hassle of getting root. Sometimes having to short the phone out to achieve s off.

Now the main point of a nexus device and why so many people loves them. Timely update plain and simple. When 4.3 launched it was made available to all nexus devices that's compatible at the same time. How long will it take HTC Samsung Motorola and so on to upgrade their devices to 4.3. Well really how lucky will you be if they update your device at all.

No device is perfect and no one device is for everyone. To the op I would say get the N7² in hand before you go off on a rant about a devices short comings. One thing I learned what's on paper doesn't mean it like that in real life.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>i am sure the threadstarter will change his tune once he got the new one...

Based on this thread, I don't think the threadstarter is likely to buy one.

>it's all in the individual mind to self-justify what you own and your purchasing decision..

That's why we have discussions like this, where it's not enough to justify it to oneself, but to others. My observation is that the threadstarter has been scrupulous in supporting his views with reasonable justifications. There is no "I like what I like. QED."

>I think most people wouldn't use HDMI.

I think getting movies (Netflix) onto the big screen from the tablet would be a popular use case. Doing it with wireless would be nice, hence the high interest in Miracast (now dashed), but in lieu of that, good ol' reliable wired HDMI is the next best option.

>With they way cloud network has taken off you can just put your music on a cloud and free up space for your other needs.

How many 1080p movies can you fit into your Dropbox, and how long would it take to get them there?

Cloud storage is being touted as the "next big thing" for some years now, and it is indeed getting more popular. But as with the Chromecast widget, I don't think it can transcend the laws of physics to fit terabytes of movies into gigabytes of online storage.

One may argue that it's only the techies who have the wherewithal to download 1080p flicks from online, and the rest (the plebes) have to make do with streaming online content. If that's the case, then it's those same techies who are most likely to heavily use online storage to store their content. More to the point: How many here do have a sizeable cache of HD flicks, and are you all storing them in cloud storage?

>Now the main point of a nexus device and why so many people loves them. Timely update plain and simple.

I think the fragmentation scare is past its due date. First, Android development has slowed way the heck down. After 9 months, Android 4.3 is a fairly minor incremental update. Those running 4.1 or even 4.0 aren't losing out on much. Second, tablets aren't like phones, where carriers tend to be the main roadblock. Vendors have more freedom to update. Third, unlike phones, tablets tend to be cheap enough (no contract and no ETF) that yearly replacements are more doable, even if the vendor doesn't update.

For techies here, getting 0-day updates are important. For others, not so much. Even if my tablet never gets another OS update, I would still be content with its present functionality, until apps are no longer compatible with 4.x. (Apps are still compatible with 2.x.)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] brizey:
See, that sounds more complicated than necessary. Also, I noticed you use "I". For me it's "we". Our Apple TV is in our family room. Our equipment is in a closed built in cabinet and we have an rf Universal (an MX-880 with the rf extender). So the Apple TV controls are integrated into the remote (they have to be since there is no line of site to the Apple TV). And here is the important part...it's used by not only me, but also by my four year old, my seven year old and my wife. It's a lot easier to browse for content using the on-screen UI then press go than to dink around with another device. We also have a Bluetooth keyboard for doing searches, which we rarely do. Once again, a physical keyboard is better than anything you can do with a touchscreen. Our main PC is in am another room, so launching content from there is not a sit down and watch TV activity. We have our old laptop as a sort of kitchen table laptop and our family room TV is visible from it, but it's like maybe 35 feet away.

(We also have a Roku 3, but the lack of Netflix for kids made us switch to the Apple TV. And we have a HTPC that my wife despises because you can't just simply browse through Netflix titles then press go. I use it for home movies and photos and occasionally as an actual PC. We have a Wii in my study to occupy the kids when I am working from home and watching them. They use it for Netflix as well.)

I guess they point is that lifestyle affects the usefulness of a device. Like I said, I will likely pick one up just to play with, but it has no chance of being a primary viewing content source.

One more thing...no Ethernet kind of sucks. Wired Ethernet is better than wireless any day of the week. The device doesn't move after you plug it in...so it should be wired. I would rather have it cost $50 and have the better stability and performance of Ethernet.

Top get back on topic: the new nexus 7 is about the step up I expected. The original was not top drawer either, but here I am using it even though I have an S4. An SD card would be nice, but an hdmi out is useless for all the reasons I just listed above...content is not on the tablet and there are better solutions that only cost $100 and if you really need it, get a chromecast. Leaving this stuff out makes it more affordable for everyone that doesn't want or need it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Dark Jedi:
I didn't say movies on cloud I said music. As far as Netflix most people who has a tablet Aldo most likely has an xbox, ps3, or Wii. So kinda makes it pointless to have a HDMI on a tablet to watch Netflix on a TV.

Still even with other manufacturers being able to update tablets with no roadblocks most still don't update their tablets. The tab² for instance hasent seen but one update since Xmas. Plus 4.2.2 came out for the nexus less than 9 mo ago. So you can't say there hasn't been an update in 9 mo.

Like the old saying goes don't knock it till you try it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] bozint:
How about some more info on USB-OTG and not looks. The device is a top notch one for the price, and spec wise in general.

Or maybe some SlimPort OTG solution?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] basuraunak:
The Device is pretty good!

Some things are left out, but still for a guy who wants this as first tab and does not have OG Nexus 7 will surely love it..:p:p

Sent using Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Agree on this one. You really can't toss a bunch of storage out to Dropbox, not enough space, even Google drive, or Skydrive.

Thankfully some people do have some options for alternatives but it has to use your internet connection at home. I have a Synology box for example and I can stream music, photo's and movies (yes including 1080p files) from my home network, or download them as needed.

Thankfully thats not a huge concern for me as it would be others, but its an investment that people would have to make and time to setup.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] scorpeeon:
Where is this "no miracast" info coming from, is it confirmed?

I certainly wasn't mentioned that it had miracast, but it wasn't either that it didn't had it.

And since a suppose it has dual band wifi, and almost identical hw to N4, i thought it should support it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
I only don't like how the Nexus logo is turned 90* for whatever the reason is, it looks weird when you hold it in portrait orientation :/
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Are you really looking at the back that often? Besides it would look weird either way in Portrait or Landscape.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] SwiftLegend:
For all those saying the bezel is too small, have you even tried it yet? I don't think so. Hugo had no difficulties holding the device. And I really don't think Google would just make the bezel smaller for kicks and giggles when it doesn't work correctly.

And I'd say your not 100% correct about storage expandability being a key feature for people. The old N7 sold like hotcakes.

If you need more than 32gb on a device that is geared to using all of Google's services (which are all cloud based, if you haven't noticed) then don't get the Nexus 7. It's as simple as that.

Don't complain about it because it doesn't work for you, find something that does. That's the beauty of Android - we have choices, unlike our iOS counterparts.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] putsometrebleinit:
Perhaps that debunks the theory that most people hold a 7" tablet in portrait mode:p
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rushless:
How easy will root be, so people that do not like a fixed nav bar can hide it? It is really not a 7" display to the user, if part is the navigation bar. More like a 6.4" display for apps.

I hate cloud due to needing a connection and it drains more power than local. Seems OTG with a thumbdrive is the better option for media.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] BoneXDA:
Any info on screen brightness? Some sites reported 300nits, but nothing official has came out on that front, or any related feedback I can recall...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] blahblahyoutoo:
benchmarks show otherwise. the cpu in the N4 was gimped.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] PVL_93_RU:
I don't, but I know how it looks when people notice I have a tablet in my hands.

It's alsmot the same as if you take a 10" Android tablet (let's say it's a Nexus 10) and use it in portrait orientation - it's just not supposed to be used in such orientation, all of the ports are placed on the upper and bottom sides, the Nexus and Samsung logos are also turned 90 degrees clockwise and the front camera goes to the right (or left, depends on how you hold it)

And that's because Nexus 10 is meant to be used in landscape (despite lacking Tablet UI)

nexus 7, on the other hand, is menpant to be used in Portrait, hence why in every promo and on Nexus page etc. it's placed in portrait orientation, plus the PhabletUI which was also made by Google specifically for N7 (and again - it's more convenient in portrait rather than landscape)

And don't forget that in landscape on N7 you get almost no screen space to do stuff, and the keyboard takes, like, 60% of it
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] brizey:
Uh...It's a nexus. Like two fastboot commands to unlock the bootloader and to flash a recovery and an adb command to push su.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
I think this got missed when I posted it in the Specs tread as it was an Edit to my previous message:

"We need to know which Model Slimport Transmitter is used. The ANX7805 I believe is the one in the N4. The Newest one is the ANX7808 that allows OTG."
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>benchmarks show otherwise. the cpu in the N4 was gimped.

Yes, prelim gfx benchmarks from Ars Tech showed N7B as slightly faster than N4 with the larger res, and the explanation given was that N4's SoC was likely thermally constrained. We'll see if the benchmarks translate to real-life use.

>Where is this "no miracast" info coming from, is it confirmed?

I take back some of the things said about Goog going proprietary. From here,

https://support.google.com/nexus/7/answer/2865484?hl=en-GB&ref_topic=3048731

looks like Miracast will be available on N4, N7B, and N10 with 4.3 update--although prelim feedback on N10 forum on playback perf has been, er, underwhelming. But at least it's available, so ROMers can their hands at it for other dual-band devices.

Chromecast isn't compatible with Miracast. One interesting note is that the direct-to-TV capability is part of the MC spec, at least according to the whitepaper I read last year. Perhaps another vendor can make use of MC's "hand-off" capability without the need to go proprietary as Google did.

I've been assessing how the CC widget fits within the media streamer scheme. Its strengths are the cheap price, use of existing mobiles as remotes, and ease of setup. Its weaknesses are that its paltry bandwidth limits it to mostly streaming online content, which is further limited to Netflix, Youtube, Pandora, and other Google assets. The issue is that the compelling content, Netflix & Youtube, are on every existing media streamer already. It's an interesting foray because of the widget's ease of use, but I don't see much to come of it, not until Goog can follow up with more capable hardware to do the heavy lifting for things like screencasting and local (1080p) streaming.

Now we've seen both MS' and Goog's stabs at the living room for 2013. Apple's turn should come up later in the year.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] blackhand1001:
The s4 pro in the nexus 7 also has ddr3 vs ddr2 in the nexus 4. The adreno 320 received a big performance boost with ddr3. It was memory bandwidth limited with ddr2.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Nice find, that would be good to know. How can we find out, besides opening one of the devices up. Can we find the specs somehow via software?

From the reading I've found is that the N4 was thermally limited on the GPU. Its GPU is 400Mhz but the Kernal override for it was set to 40C or something silly like that so when it tripped past that (i bet quickly) it pushed it down to 320Mhz for the clock. Can't remember what it was but think it was dealing with that had the thermal limits set to 63-65C which is much much more reasonable but was also clocked at 450Mhz.

Can't wait to see how it really performs vs my Tegra 3 and the hope of totally crushing it :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] veeman:
Yeah, I hate the bezels on the new one. It looks like it would be awkward to hold.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] slybunda:
i wont be bothering with this new nexus 7, had it been using the tegra 4 chipset then i would have been all over it since it would be more future proof and faster.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] heat361:
I just had a chat with asus and it is 300 nits of brightness.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Tegra 4 does look like a vast improvement over the Tegra 3. Though I don't know if I want to put my confidence back in the Nvidia product just quiet yet.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] slybunda:
well i find the tegra optimised games to be very good, and tegra 3 i had no issues with, it scores low in the benchmarks, but in general use and gaming i find it to me more than up to the task. as android matures more and gets more efficient i find the tegra 3 nexus 7 to gain more speed. i personally like tegra 3 and will hold out for a 7 incher tablet with tegra 4 for more web browsing speed.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
I am not sure about this. On the analoix website, both the 7808 and 7805 list OTG. Only the 7808 lists HDMI. So I believe the 7808 is what both use.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
For a smaller display yes Tegra 3 did good, but for a large 1920x1200 display it falls flat on most accounts on anything that is intensive. Does ok but defiantly not great at keeping the speed. Some games yes are optimized for it but as well its shown that other devices that don't have Tegra 3 for instance actually perform better with the same visuals.

I originally was going to hold out for the new Asus Infinity tablet with the Tegra 4 but think N7B will win this round for me, who knows might change my mind in a few months when Asus does finally release it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
The Nexus 10 and Nexus 5 push hardware. N7 does but it is more budget oriented.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Yeah I looked up the N4 transmitter and it is the 7808. :-\
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Well it wouldn't be the first time LG f'ed something up. Maybe they just didn't wire it properly.

On other devices, OTG had to be unlocked by the kernel and/or always had to be enabled, or so I thought. As long as it works without a powered hub, I'll be happy. If I can't pull data off of my thumb drive, I'm gonna have a problem.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Yeah its interested cause the spec sheet for 7808 def lists OTG capable, so one would think it can do it.

I bet the N4 wasn't wired properly to supply the correct voltage for OTG.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] bozint:
Caught your post mate, but wouldn't know where to look for it. Maybe an iFixit teardown would be a good source on component information.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Dizzo1992:
Quick question with the Slimport will any of the adapters work from amazon? And if I use that would I be able to stream tv portal or whatever is on my screen to my tv or laptop? And what is the whole process to do so because if I can stream tv portal from the new nexus 7 I will be sold.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Not relevant anymore. The N4 uses 7808 which is stated to support HDMI and OTG (not necessarily at the same time).

I wonder if there are different types of OTG cables, like one that can operate on lower energy requirements.

---------- Post added at 03:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:31 PM ----------

You want the one by analogix. That is the official one. Not sure about the others, I know some were having problems with other slim port adaptors. Slimport mirrors your phone exactly to your TV, no restrictions.

For slim port to work all you do is plug the adaptor in to your phone. And connect an HDMI cable from your TV to the adaptor. That is all. The slim port also has a microusb port for charging.

I recommend screen standby app (requires root) to turn your screen off when using slim port.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Dizzo1992:
Alright sweet thanks a lot for the reply looks like the adapter is $30 on amazon not bad. But totally worth it for tv portal on the big screen. Can't wait to get my hands on the new nexus 7 :)