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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] tvdang7:
this happens when new gadgets come out. Current owners make posts about how they still think their current device is still good enough for them and they don't feel a need to upgrade.

Example : Galaxy nexus----> Nexus 4.

OMG we already got so many roms I'm good for now ,even though they are getting roms it's probably not stable enough

OMG upgrade camera I don't really care for that.

Quad core? who needs that my phone is still plenty smooth.

I am so keeping my removeable battery.

ect

ect.

Should make a youtube video.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] BrianDigital:
well if its not an upgrade for the nexus 7, then don t buy it.

anyone upset about no sd card at this point needs to see them selves out the door

slimport/miracast are teh last things I really care about. At no point did I ever say "hey lets hook my tablet/hone up to the tv and then control it with a wonky app on my phone/tablet to control it. Also I got a slim port connector for my n4 and used it once it went "thats cool, well thats dumb the screen stays on all the time"

Im getting one, just not at launch the 4.3 update actually smoothed out my n7 so my need to upgrade has diminished. I might get it if I can snag one on a "Daily steals" promotion

I tend to agree about the upped resolution, but when you see a screen like a phone with a 1080p screen you will notice, I did and my eye sight is just under 20/20

These posts happen ever time the successor comes out. If you are wanting to upgrade, go pick up one of those cheap no name ones "with better specs" and enjoy waiting and waiting for kernel sources to drop.

Storage at 32gb is plenty, anyone that needs more, dont buy a nexus ever. Or set up a NAS at home and just pick files and sync them up when you need them. Unless you watch movies all day at work, but if you do you might be able to watch them at home once anyone notices at work
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Someone mentioned that for the screen there is an app that you can turn off the screen so its not using the power while still showing the screen on the TV.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Yes screen standby is the app and it works perfectly. Does require roott though.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] BrianDigital:
yeah but in the real world it should never have been like that, either way I no need to use it
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying there is an option.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] thenrik:
Will the Gen2 Nexus 7b still support OTG cables?

Hi:

Will the Nexus 7b still support OTG and apps like Nexus Media Importer or will Slimport implimentation interfere? I'm ready to pre-order but need to have a way to access data not preloaded on the tablet when the need arises. Some people seem to imply the Nexus 7b will while others imply the opposite. Any clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Tom
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Androidnow:
Guys I stay in India. Will Be asking somebody to get it for me from the US. I read somewhere on XDA that Asus gave international warranty for the original google nexus 7 in india even before it was launched here( For the imported one offcourse) ....hoping that this time around its the same . I just need to know....if i tell somebody to bring it for me packed with the box...does he or she has to pay any import duties for it? Anybody here who has imported the Original Nexus before and confirm that Asus cover the product in the warranty or not? Please do share your thoughts if anyone has some idea about it. A quick response would be appreciated. Thank you.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Dark Jedi:
Could call Asus and ask them yourself.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Richieboy67:
I don't think am HDMI out or the other supposed negatives the op posted are a concern for most.

I think the op is just trolling and I'm not sure if he has ever even owned a nexus 7.

You still have not mentioned a better tablet for the cost. Just because a cheaper one has an HDMI output does not mean anything. How many people really care about using that? A very small percentage I'm sure.

If you think you can find a faster and better tablet for $229 than by all means share it and I will buy it right now.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] demandarin:
Just a f.y.I. it was discovered that the chromecast can play back video files from a PC. All you have to have is chrome browser and chromecast extension plug in. Then you can play any video files from file directory and it'll stream to t.v. I'm hoping the same can be done once chrome browser for Android updates to add casting feature. Hopelly someone here from xda hacks it to be able to mirror phone/tablet display also.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Nbsss:
yeah, i'd pay $70 for the thing if they sold in australia...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] SkOrPn:
I must agree with you 100% on the screen size thing. 1080p is utterly stupid on a 7" screen, and anyone who thinks otherwise is dumb to have fallen into the more pixel is better trap. All this does is reduce performance. I would have welcomed the same hardware specs but on a 720p screen just for the sheer performance factor. I want everything to feel near instantaneous on my tablet, but trying to push 1920x1080 out of this hardware will be disappointing. All Google is trying to do is sell their new N7 and with a screen spec like this, and a price like that, they will have no problems doing so. lol

I was going to get this the moment it was available, but now knowing the screen size I am going to wait for reviews and user experiences to be my guinea pigs first. Thankfully my 32gb N7 has been babied from day one and still looks no different than when I pulled it out of the box... Hopefully it can still fetch 150 buckaroos. lol
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] demandarin:
The hands on.videos I've seen of it so look very promising. Everything seems very fast and fluid. Web pages loaded up very fast. Opening and closing apps seemed instantaneous. I think the Chipset would have no problem pushing this resolution.

I haven't seen any graphically intense gaming on it yet. That'll be the real test to show if it can push those kind of games at high resolution.

I was thinking though, why didn't they just include the newer snapdragon 600 chip with Andreno 320 like in my LG Optimus G Pro. Now that Chooser is beast. Has no problem pushing games or anything on its 5.5in. 1080P display.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kaleesh:
Personally, my thumbs are too big for the originals bezels anyway, so the improved one hand usage is a welcomed addition.

And the updated internals alone are worth the upgrade to me
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] plbelanger:
I like it so much better than the original n7 so far. Feels and looks great, sound quality is way better etc etc. Very happy with it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] LauraSakura:
Perfectly usable for me in portrait mode. Actually, it feels easier than the original since it's lighter and easier to use one handed. I couldn't care less about HDMI. I'd much rather use something like Chromecast than need to tether my tablet to my TV anyway. I really feel this device is worth the price, and I certainly haven't seen anything else with as much going for it at this price point. Just my opinion!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] geoldr:
I got one today, and comparing to my original Nexus 7 I like it much better. Its faster, thinner, lighter, basically everything that should have happened. I love the new bezel, it makes it look really nice. But the cameras are still crap, just like they were in the first one.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] whoamanwtf:
The first one didn't have "cameras"
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] geoldr:
I type fast, and added an 's' at the end of 'camera'. Why do you need to bring it up?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] whoamanwtf:
Also this entire post is pointless, I have one in my hands and it performs amazingly well and looks great. Way better than any similarly priced tablets and the memory speed test (which is where the original majorly failed) are great.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Happy with it.. man this is GREAT in comparison to the Tegra 3 chipset.

Wifi is extremely quick, installing apps is quick. You can utilize the tablet when installing something and not feel the lag.

Very quick on the response, nice to have the even smaller form factor.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DebauchedSloth:
This. I also have an original N7 (upgrade to 4.3) and a new one. The new one is a HUGE step up in every way. Much faster, much better screen, doesn't lag, slimmer, lighter. A vastly, vastly improved device.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] rushless:
This device ROCKS at the price point. Ironically, the lack of the SD slot affords the price, since they are trying to lure folks to using the cloud for media consumption. If this thing had an sd slot, it could be $100 more, since rather than break even or low margins, they would need to support a per unit profit model. Even though adding a slot might add $2 to the overall price (if that), they would still need to price to make more profit on the devices- IF not a cloud revenue and data mining model.

They are banking on folks not going through the effort with OTG for external storage and people to use the cloud- THAT is their strategic model with this device. The chipset can more than handle the 1080p, unlike the Tegra 3 that chokes on anything beyond video at 1080p. Pushing app data is a different GPU resource function from just video media.

I might get this and return my $180 Nook HD+: Assuming root is easy so I can have full intended OTG storage function and can hide the navigation bar. I want a 7" display for apps and not a 6.4" display. Much different size issue than a 10" tablet with a nav bar.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Sad to say, well not really, this smacks my TF700 around and then some on performance. Mind you I have Cromi-X installed and it is a VAST imporvement over stock on that device... but this just takes the cake in terms of performance.

Antutu: TF700 ~13,000-14,000 on a good day, overclocked on both the CPU/GPU

Antutu: N7B ~20,000 clean install no issues :) Can't wait for some OC on it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] SkOrPn:
Yeah better sound is a major plus for me as well. I just hope mapping data, Google Earth, gps apps, YouTube videos and 3D games can be faster on it than my current n7. For a news reader and internet browser it will be very nice, crisp text.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>All this [1080p] does is reduce performance.

It's a marketing thing. A 1080p screen may look the same as 720p on a 7" (or a phone), but it looks good in the sales pitch. When the competition has it, you have to have it as well. That's been the trend for phones, and is the same for tablets. KFHD 7 gen2 is rumored to also have 1080p.

I don't fault Google (or Asus) for going the "moar is better" route. N7B looks to be a capable device, and the price is reasonable. But it's no longer a standout as the OG N7 was, and at the higher pricing relative to the competition, the lack of connectivity (ports) and the need for a proprietary dongle is much less excusable than before. Remember how we criticized the iPad for the exact same thing.

I wish that Google could have spared some thought for the device, being that its name is connected to the brand, rather than simply going with the MOTS (marketing) flow. It's not that difficult. Goog is always big on being open, and allowing its devices to have better connectivity would have fitted the "open" meme perfectly. But as we know, Nexus devices have always been gimped for I/O, and with better competition, the defect is getting harder to let slide.

The OG N7 was a mindshare success for the Android brand, even if its sales performance was relatively modest. My gauge for N7B's future is that it'll be similar to the N10, which has the same "I got the bestest dpi yo!" pitch. It'll do well with Nexus fans (ie those here), but it's a pass for mainstream buyers.

Maybe that's Goog's intention after all, for Nexus to simply be a halo brand, and allowing OEMs to garner the bulk of Android sales. It's early days yet, and we'll see better Android devices as it gets closer to 4Q13's shopping season.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] droidnubi:
Can you make phone calls with the nexus 7 LTE?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mi7chy:
I'll have to test it when I get mine but one potential benefit of 1080p is when you mirror it to an external display there won't be re-scaling latency like what I've seen on 720p device that mirrors 1080p externally.

Anyhow, if you don't like it then buy something else. That's the beauty of Android and choices. You're not stuck with one option like the POS iPad Mini that's horrible in every way, missing GPS on WIFI version and costs significantly more.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] casonswag:
Why would u wanna hold that bigass thing up to your ear lol
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] droidnubi:
I wont put that thing in my ear I use bluetooth
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] OJ in Compton:
As someone who uses tablets for e-textbooks and PDFs, I can tell you for a fact that this 1080p screen does not look the same as a 720p display. I'm glad they bumped the resolution up as it means less zooming and scrolling around documents.

Agreed about some of your other points though. Google has been heading in this direction with both products and services in an effort to be more profitable and trim projects they don't consider beneficial unfortunately, and it's turned me off to a lot of the stuff they offer. This new N7 happens to be perfect for my usage, so there really isn't a better choice for me.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] demandarin:
Something else I just realized that no one mentioned yet. The screen lifting issue from 1st general "looks" to be addressed in this new model. By the glass edges actually being beveled.

On another note, I'm itching to get me one ASAP. Ill see how long I can hold out. Looking forward to reading up on threads in this new nexus forum.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Indeed the screen placement looks nice no moving of the screen, even later models of the Nexus 7 I felt that (including store displays).

Looking forward to SU being on the device!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mrazndead:
well i just picked up my new nexus 7. it's great!. screen is so crisp. and sound is loud and great.

but it's not that much better than my original nexus 7 for my use. i will be getting the third generation instead.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Late won't be out for a couple weeks so I don't think you will be getting a confirmation on this.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] demandarin:
I agree. Plus looking at pictures/videos looks alot better.

I immediately noticed the difference in screen quality going from my Samsung galaxy3 4.8in. 720p display to my new LG Optimus G Pro 5.5in. 1080P. Everything, especially text, looks alot sharper. The clarity is unbelievable. I'm still very impressed with this phone display at how good it is.

Once I've seen 1080p content, whether t.v. or phone or tablet, I immediately notice the difference when looking at lower resolutions. 720p is good but 1080P is better ;)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>one potential benefit of 1080p is when you mirror it to an external display there won't be down-scaling latency like what I've seen on 720p device that mirrors 1080p externally.

That would make sense if you're not like the rest of the people here in saying how they "couldn't care less" about HDMI-out. N7B maybe sold in Walmart, but I doubt you'll find the $30 Slimport dongle there.

>As someone who uses tablets for e-textbooks and PDFs, I can tell you for a fact that this 1080p screen does not look the same as a 720p display.

I agree, but not on a 7". I do the same (reading textbook PDFs) on a 9", and it's much less straining on the eyes. 7" may be OK for occasional PDF reading, but not for reading PDFs on a regular basis. After a certain point, screen size matters more than dpi for legibility.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Dark Jedi:
You're right we will see better device but they will also see a bigger price tag. Nexus devices are for the average person who wants a good device at a cheaper price. Your average consumer doesn't want HDMI out and all the useless stuff that your higher end devices has. Its like with the nexus 4 its cheap and its setup to be used on any gsm network. The phone has a price tag of under 300 bucks and no contract to sign. As far as this 1080 debate goes. The only reason why manufacturers are making devices that's 1080 is because many consumers wants it. How many posts did we see about the screen on the original n7 could of been way better? Makers has heard the consumer and they are giving them what they want.

As far as pricing its not that high its like $30 more than what the original n7 16 gig was. That to me is pretty good to keep the cost down on something they could easily charged $300 for the 16 gig version.

I can see you are a device geek that wants all the bells and whistles on your devices so you can show them off. You want the most current and fastest processor that's out. In the end you are the minority and the manufacturers are looking at the average consumer and they see they don't want all the connections as it confuses most. The N7² will do well for its a good device at a reasonable price. As time goes on more people will realize that and start buying nexus devices more over the others that has useless junk that most will never use.

In closing I would rather have chromecast than a HDMI port on my nexus. I don't see the point of having to leave my tablet next to my TV to hook it up and not to be in my hand. Having to get up just to change whats being played. 35 bucks is pretty cheap for what you get.

You can continue to post all this negativity about the N7² but you are wasting your breath as I seen people like you do the same thing when the original N7 was coming out and people realized it wasn't as bad as people posted it would be. I mean hell you don't even have one in hand so how can you even comment on how it will preform?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] e.mote:
>You're right we will see better device but they will also see a bigger price tag. Nexus devices are for the average person who wants a good device at a cheaper price.

As said earlier, present price trend has dropped to $150 for budget 7" devices. Consumers are more price-sensitive than your average early adopter, and the $80 pricing diff will be a hard sell. At retail, specs matter less than the eyeball test, and it'll be interesting to see Walmart's Sero 7 Pro side-by-side against the N7B. There's already a precedent for this, when the iPad 2 outsold the iPad 3 Retina, even at a quarter of the latter's resolution.

>I can see you are a device geek that wants all the bells and whistles

Actually I'm a fan of "good enough" devices. The OG N7 was, for its time. I thought the N10's 1440p was excessive, to the detriment of its pricing/performance/battery life, and I think same of the N7B's 1080p.

>I would rather have chromecast than a HDMI port on my nexus.

Chromecast is presently a media streamer limited primarily to two popular content (Youtube and Netflix) plus Google's other assets. It can't mirror your display, and it doesn't do local streaming. It does not replace the HDMI-out. For those hoping for Chrome tab casting as the end-all of streaming, peruse closer of the reviews to glean its actual performance. It's not satisfactory, as would be expected for a 2.4GHz streamer.

>You can continue to post all this negativity about the N7² but you are wasting your breath

I understand that you would prefer to have people harping on N7B's "goodness." But it's a large world, and people have different perspectives. I don't begrudge you your participation, even though you have a different opinion than mine. You should have the courtesy to do the same.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] demandarin:
I don't view this thread as trolling or so much being negative. Its just his view of how this device could've been better or improved upon. There will always be tradeoffs when it comes to technology. If manufacturers gave us everything we wanted first time around, what need will there be to upgrade after a year or so. They make these devices "good enough" to appeal to the masses. You can't blame them. Look at how much apple is banking with its incremental updates. Android wants a bigger piece of the pie. But it ultimately falls on the consumer. Only us xda members really care about all the extra bells n.whistles.

Although I don't own one yet, from what I've read and seen, this device looks like a great buy.
[Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ArchEnemy':
okay this is very customizable..but can i install any Cm10 themes and use it via xTheme chooser ?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wleey:
I have problem Althnic and parts of screen Ahaana to alerts I can not use my phone in received Maa different areas of science that I owned a copy of the developers of the telephone and you make a return to factory settings from inside the phone at random after he was the root and S-off
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redbull123:
Lol yep...
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biohaz55:
Ermmm..... you need to try and rewrite this as it makes no sense at all at the moment.... try using Google Translate
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iElvis:
I think that came out of an online translator. :eek:
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] markdexter:
Wow I love puzzles
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wleey:
I have problem parts of screen I can not use my phone in received I owned a copy of the developers of the telephone and you make a return to factory settings from inside the phone at random after he was the root and S-off
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] postfatal:
42.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redbull123:
I have no idea what you're saying.. Which country do you live? Maybe if you try asking in your own language you might get lucky with one of the readers...

(unless that's against rules or something..)
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gunnyman:
factory reset

try that

if that doesn't work Ask in your native tongue perhaps.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Plomiwn:
Try to write in you're native language perhaps someone here will translate it better then google.

But i'm guessing you own developer edition of phone, rooted and S-off? and you did what? wipe data?

And you need to get it back to stock because part of screen is unresponsive and you want to send it on warranty?

Can you access recovery?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wleey:
Even if there are areas of the screen do not work :rolleyes::confused::(
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gunnyman:
ok now THAT was perfect english.

How the heck was I supposed to know what you meant? LOL
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wleey:
How do I know that the phone can solve the problem of breakdowns screen as soon as he returned to factory settings :confused: Does this mean that the telephone may go to the hospital OMG!!!:crying::(
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redbull123:
As funny as it is reading your posts - post in your native language please... :good:
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pandaball:
Posting only in your native language is not allowed. As much as I'd like to make an exception, we have to be consistent about this. However, you may post in your native language but you must include a translation of it as well.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wleey:
اعاني من مشاكل في عدم استجابة الشاشة للمس في عدة مناطق
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redbull123:
Ok cool, I wasn't sure... Sorry :p
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wleey:
مالفائدة من الرجوع للضمان اذا كانت المشكلة مشكلة استجابة اللمس في الشاشة تعمل احياناً من حين لاخر ولا استطيع حتي استخدامه
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wleey:
Thank you all, because you're trying to solve my problem
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Grand_Goblin:
maybe you can add the picture? it would help us to understand your problems?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ajxx16:
Perhaps he updated firmware and is attempting to use a 4.1 ROM?