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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Slightly off topic, GPS should use almost no data. The only time it needs data is routing or rerouting. So that 12 gig maybe from another source that maybe you could scale back on. The rumor is I think top 5% are affected.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
For all your throttling questions, see this article.

http://m-support.verizonwireless.com/mobl/features.info_data_disclosure.tp_2.html

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
Thanks for that. Some of its a little complicated.

I would like to know if the optimization they are deploying on 4G will be similar to the 3g. Because I've seen how slow 3g speeds can get.

I would be curious to see if a person was flagged to be optimized if he or she switched to 3g if they would still be impacted.

The fact is a cell tower could be congested on 4g but if few users were connected to 3g it might be faster.

October 1st I will deliberately be downloading a 5gb file from my google drive. Then travel around that month and see how bad it is.

I am gambling that the optimization won't affect me at all. And it will only be in bigger cities where it becomes an issue. But larger cities have much more wifi available. Heck nyc is practically blanketed in free WiFi. And Chicago has xfinity wifi all over.

I am definitely buying a g3 from best buy. I cannot wait to see these upcoming Motorola phones!!!

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] craigviar:
:( http://www.droid-life.com/2014/08/25/upgrade-verizon-2-year-data-plan/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I need to update the op.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Wansanta:
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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] wulto:
:good::good:

Many thanks for all this info! And thanks to Shaftamle OP for such diligence. Just placed an order for an S4 via 3rd party yesterday, will let you all know how it goes.

Any SIM cutter dangers I should understand, besides micro to mini for this phone? ...It looks pretty simple.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
[MENTION=6016575]Wansanta[/MENTION] so your saying if an upgrade is transfered from an unlimited line to a tiered data line, phone is activated on tiered line and then switched back to the unlimited line that this won't work? My understanding is that the only change in this loophole is that you must keep the tiered data plan on the line that's upgraded instead of being able to drop it after switching the purchased phone back to unlimited.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
[MENTION=6016575]Wansanta[/MENTION]

I'm going to try to look into it as well. This thread was written over a year ago when this method worked. I'm aware it no longer works this way and I posted that this thread needs to be updated which I will do when I find out exactly what's going on.

Still have no idea why they would close this loophole and not the "best buy" loop hole as well. Seems pretty ridiculous that they would do that since it's essentially pushing money in the direction of best buy.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] busta6975:
They told me the same thing. They won't even do it over the phone the only way I get that option and do it is online. I see now you can upgrade online and pick it up at a store near you if its in stock
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
This method works. I did it less than a month ago. It does not matter where the upgrade comes from. As long as you upgrade the non unlimited phone and then do a device only change your fine. There have been several other people on this post who verified that this works.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] seanatsb:
This method completely works, and like someone else mentioned, you don't have to have anyone do a device swap for you if you already have an LTE phone. I ordered the GS3 last year, by switching my mom's upgrade to my line (did this online on verizon website) and preordering the GS3 back when they let you keep unlimited data. My mom's line is a flip phone with no data.

The upgrade for my line (now with GS3) came available slightly before the release of the GS4. When the GS4 was released, I called Best Buy to order the GS4 (I had to call because Best Buy website wouldn't let me do alternative upgrade). I had the Best Buy rep do an alternative upgrade and switch the upgrade from my unlimited line to my mom's dumb phone line, and ordered the GS4. They even tried to order a data plan in the the Best Buy system, but it didn't work, so they just sold me the phone and said that verizon would add a data plan to my mom's line once I activated the phone.

When the GS4 came, I didn't even bother activating it on the dumb phone line with the new sim card. I simply took out my SIM card from the GS3 and placed it the GS4 and activated the phone. I didn't have to take it to a store for a device switch, nor was service to my mom's dumb phone ever interrupted and no extra data plan was ever added.

I freely switch the SIM card back and forth between my GS3 and GS4 and use both on unlimited data.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] scriz:
Just went and picked up a black S4 yesterday. Used my mother in laws upgrade. Once the activation on my MILs line was complete I popped my sim in and had them reactivate my MILs iP4 back onto her line with no issues. She wanted a 4s so i traded my S3 for her 4s and used her upgrade.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] clark707:
I believe I've heard the "U lose unlimited data if u use the lines upgrade" before at a store. Possibly thats just the store clerks being jerks. Who knows. Thanks to this post though. I understand this process clearer. Might try this to get the Note 3 when its released and flash my s4 onto straight talk for the GF.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Goofypook:
It definitely works, I did it six months ago three different times! Sold two of the phones at full retail on ebay.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ballisticn8:
My guide to how I got my S4 and kept my unlimited data. I had a Galaxy Nexus with unlimited data. Phone burnt out (ie became unresponsive to signal, wifi, 3g, 4g, everything) even after flashing factory images, the signal literally went dead like the antenna had burnt out. They sent me out crap replacements with purple screens, no loaded OS, and a phone with a broken power button. They offer me the S3 but they are back ordered on batteries and backs so they ship me out a new DNA, alternative replacement, no cost, no upgrade. Find local guy who had Note 2 and flip the DNA for the Note 2. Played with the Note 2 until the S4 came out. Found a guy that had a less than week old S4 that wanted to go back to the Note 2, flipped the Note 2 straight across for the S4. S4 had been updated but with less than a week on the phone the USB port crapped out and stopped working so I took it back with the receipt and did an exchange box and phone and contents for a new unopened box. Told sales guy to not even open the phone as I had my sim in an old Droid Razr. Took it home, opened it up, rooted it, flashed Beans 5 and Faux 6 (7 bootlooped me) and been loving it ever since. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mistermojorizin:
i thought i understood this process pretty well, but just now learning about the 4g sim trick. I'm ugrading my dad's dumbphone line, and i have an LTE GNEX with the 4g sim. I will get a 4g phone on my dad's line at a verizon store. Should I tell them NOT to activate it on his line, and just pop in my LTE SIM from my GNEX? And, will they actually do this (it often seems like it might be unusual to them and what if they insist to activate it on his line first)?

---------- Post added at 11:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 PM ----------

So you don't have to activate the new phone on the dumbphone line who's upgrade is used?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
You don't have to activate it. When they do an upgrade in the system the only thing it does is register the new ESN and Sim number to that phone number. Nothing changes on the physical phone until the new one is turned on and has completed the built in activation process. The sim card trick is nice but I would not recommend just doing that unless both phones we're already data phones. The reason for this, and the reason for the device only change step in my original post is as follows: when you do your alternate upgrade and upgrade the dumb phone it changes the plan for that phone to a data package plan(2GB by default). Even though the dumb phone will not lose service until the new phone is activated with the SIM card they gave you it will still have a data plan on that line. When you put YOUR existing Sim card in the new phone, it will activate the new phone using your number and the dumb phone will still have service. The only reason I suggest not just switching the Sim is there is a chance that the dumb phone will still have the data package tied to it of its not switched back to a basic plan in the sysyem after the upgrade.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] raulg15:
yeah it sucks you cant keep unlimited data.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bjhanifin:
Will this trick work with a feature phone? My plan has 2 unlimited data phones and one flip phone for my mother in law.

I am afraid to try this trick because I Verizon screwed me when my old Droid screen backlight died. I activated an old flip phone on their website to hold me over until a replacement was shipped to me. Verizon insisted that my ancient flip phone used data that it could not possibly have used and charged me an extra $200 and wasn't willing to see the error of their logic (nowhere on the box does that flip phone say it has any internet features).

Overall I have been extremely happy with Verizon's customer service (especially in store) but that experience makes me wary of this method.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] elliwigy:
simple.. lol i work for a cell phone carrier.. you pretty much upgrade a non unlimited data line.. then do an esn change to the line you want.. leaving the unlimited data line intact.. its same concept of buying a phone at retsil value then adding it to your unlimited data line.. nothing new here lol.. only time they can get you is if you use the unlimited data line upgrade to purchase subsidized equipment from the carrier..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mistermojorizin:
Ok i understand your point about the device swap to make sure the dumbphone goes back to the upgrading line and the data package drops from that line.

How would I verify that the new ESN is registered and Sim is registered to the dumphone number without activating the smart phone on that number? Ideally the reps are on top of this, but i'd like to assume it's a worst case scenario and they have not idea what they're doing. Would it just be safer to activate the new phone on the dumbphone line?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] enkei2k:
Hello all!

Newbie here and I promise you I read through everything here and also in the other thread with Grandfathered Unlimited data being the only way to go. I have a few questions/concerns regarding upgrading.

I am on the Nationwide Family Share plan so 700 day time/unlimited nights and weekends with my parents. I currently have an S1 Fascinate and planning on upgrading to the S4. We were eligible for an upgrade back in January 2013 according to My Verizon.

Questions -

My parents have 2 dumb phones and I am the one with the unlimited data smart phone. So it should be easily done correct using the method in the first post?

The S1 didn't have a SIM card, would this be an issue?

The plan is in my father's name (company discount), but I know the account information. I'm assuming he has to be there for everything regardless?

If I use (for example) my dad's dumb phone upgrade for my line, that means I have to use my upgrade for his line? I would assume that all 3 of us would like to have upgraded phones.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
The ESN and Sim number will be printed on the contract under that lines number. That ensures that you have upgraded the new phone to the dumb phone number. Then you pay, then you switch, then you continue to enjoy unlimited data. :cool:

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
1) the fasinate not having an Sim card is no problem. However, depending on where you go you may have to purchase an additional Sim card(retailers charge for them). The reason is because a Sim can only be attached to 1 phone number per 24 hours. So one is for the upgrade and the other for the device only switch.

2) He has to be there unless you are an authorized user on the account. Some stores will do it even if he is not there and even if you are not authorized as long as you have the account password and/or the last 4 of his social. But to be safe, have him add you as an authorized user by calling customer service ahead of time.

3)you can use anyones upgrade to upgrade any line. It don't matter what line it came from as long as you DO NOT directly upgrade the unlimited line. Hence, the device only change. IE- you can upgrade your phone with your upgrade. Just do an alternate upgrade using you upgrade to upgrade his line then switch the new phone back to your number afterwards with the device only change.

I WOULD NOT RECOMEND DOING ALL OF THE UPGRADES AT THE SAME TIME. If you do the switch trick the same day you upgrade the other 2 lines, it may look a little strange to Verizon. This trick is legal, but don't give them any reason to jerk you around.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] fade2green514:
currently there is no way to help out a verizon corporate employee while keeping unlimited data.

1) do an alternate upgrade which means you're using your gs3 lines upgrade to upgrade the note 2 line to whatever phone you want, we will say the GS4.

2) after you do your alternate upgrade you should now have A GS 3 with unlimited data and a GS 4 with a 2 gig data plan.

3) ask the representative 2 then do a device only change and move the GS 4 to the line with the gs3 and unlimited data. put the gs3 sim card in the GS 4 and that line is good to go.

4) now, ask the representative to put the note 2 back on its original line, the one with the two gig data plan. put the original sim card from the note 2 back in the note 2. your SIM card that came with the GS 4 upgrade is now extra. you won't be able to use it for a day or so but you can hang on to it for future use.

5) you should now have a GS 4 with unlimited data and a note 2 with 2 gig data.

this should work^^

they also have what is called an AOL, assumption of liability, meaning no contract changes, just moving a line from one account to another. meaning you are able to buy someones unlimited data plan.

everything i hear points to the fact that they are forcing you to move to a limited data plan when you perform an assumption of liability. however, i do not believe the alternate upgrade loophole has been changed at all. you should still be able to do it. dont take my word for it

i personally did not chance it whatsoever, and decided to pay outright for my phone just to make sure, because i would get overages every single month if i didnt.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] MrGeekGuy:
I was looking to get an S4 a few months ago, but didn't want to lose my unlimited plan. Checked a few places, but they all said I would have to change to the 2GB plan. I went Amazon, put a S4 in the cart, filled out all the info, and it allowed me to keep the Unlimited plan, no questions asked. I'm not sure if it still is this way or not, but it was a nice surprise.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] UK_Wildcats_Fans:
Did you pay full retail or the upgrade price?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
That's basically proof enough for me. This is great news.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
So isn't that pretty much exactly what I said in post #378?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
OK, well regardless, I wrote this post using the method that I know. There are obviously a few different methods out there. As soon as its verified that using a TDP works I will update MY thread accordinglmethod, thanks for your input. If you could please refrain from posting information and links about other methods, I would appreciate it. I know nothing about the whole best buy thing nor would I know how to answer questions about not. Since that method does not pertain to this thread it would be good to either start your own thread or post in the various threads that you linked here.

I should have said this when the first person mentioned the best buy method. That's not what this thread is about and thus, is off topic. Thanks.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] wulto:
New guy here, second post. Once again thanks for all you guys do!

This morning I just successfully preserved my UDP via the 3rd party method since the other loopholes had been closed. New phone shows as activated, anniversary date is now two years out and data plan still shows as UDP.

Since this may be off topic topic from the original OP, I could post details elsewhere if anyone needs them. Otherwise per the title of the post "how to upgrade without loosing unlimited data", it is appropriate for the climate and options available today.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
As I said above, I'm not claiming that the third party method does not work. I'm saying that since I don't know anything about it I would prefer not to discuss this here. When I get confirmation about whether my method works with a tdp line I will either update or close this thread. But in the interest of not confusing others, please leave the 3rd party method converdation for threads pertaining to it.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] craigviar:
No good options...

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/09/25/upgrade-verizon-keep-unlimited-data/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
I hate Verizons business ethics. But I'm trapped with there signal coverage

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] thrgk:
So i have a smartphone(unlimited data) and a dumb phone on my line. the dumb phone has an upgrade, if I transfer it to my smartphone, upgrade, and then when it comes just stick my current sim in, ill be ok and not lose data?

Or should I just upgrade on the dumb phone line, insert dumb phone sim, activate it, then take dumb sim out, put my unl sim in, and then just cancel the data on the dumb line?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
You CANNOT update the dumb phone line and then cancel the data plan. As of Aug, when you sign up for a 2yr agreement on a smartphone plan... You have to keep that plan for 2 years.... Not just a line. This is the loophole they closed. I've always used this loophole and got my G3 before they closed it. I only know of the best buy method (upgrade to the udp.... Then use old sim). I've never done this so I can't speak from experience.... But I do know if you try to upgrade the dumbline you get a warning on the VZW website that you must keep paying for the data for 2 years
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
As I said in the last page. I need to update this thread when I get more info. This method should work fine if your doing "the switch" with a tiered data phone. It no longer works with basic(dumb) phones.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] RepeatUntilTheEnd:
Current plan: Family Plan; 3 lines total (2 unlimited data, 1 w/ 2gb data); all lines on unlimited talk text.

I want to break my one line off with unlimited data and the lowest amount of minutes that includes unlimited messaging.

I called customer service yesterday and the girl I spoke with put together some pricing and I said I would probably call back to set everything up after checking with the users of the other two lines. Instead of calling, I made the mistake of thinking I would feel more secure at a store and went to a corporate store near me. Once I got to the store, waited for a rep, and waited to be added as an authorized user, they told me I couldn't keep the unlimited data.

I'm waiting on a call today where they are supposed to be doing an AOL (Acceptance of Liability) so we can get everything worked out.

Am I on the right path?

p.s. I liked the OP. promise :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I'm not positive exactly what you're asking. If your question is, will the assumption of liability line keep unlimited data, then the answer is almost certainly no. I'm 99%

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] RepeatUntilTheEnd:
Thanks for the quick response. So, knowing the plan setup, is there anyway for me to make my line a standalone plan and keep the unlimited data?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
As far as I know, the only way would be to AOL both of the other lines.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
See, I have friends that work for Verizon corporate. So that's the only place I'll go except for best buy.

But it sounds like many people have more issues corporate stores.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] RepeatUntilTheEnd:
I ended up pulling the trigger today. I spoke with a CSR over the phone who said they could set me up with 450 minutes, unlimited text, and keeping my unlimited data for around $90/mo. They transferred me and the previous account owner to the department that completed the AOL and then setup the plan. I've registered online and everything is legit.

So, I had unlimited data on a family plan and broke it off to it's own plan while keeping my unlimited data. No phone upgrade used, but just got myself the Moto X 2014 off contract. Life is good.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
Well since ur by urself , does that mean your stuck with that phone or now you have to pay full retail?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
I sold an unlimited line on eBay in August. You can absolutely break an unlimited line off a family share plan. The lowest you get is 450 minutes a month.

The only down side to breaking it free of the family plan is since you had a limited line on that plan.... You'd be able to transfer your UDP upgrade to your limited line and upgrade that way. Not sure I see the advantage of breaking the line from the family plan.