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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] WindAqua:
Help please!

Hi everyone! Thank you so much for making this thread and also taking the time to answer everyone's questions and concerns. So, I have read every page so far of this thread as well as howardforums: The-New-Improved-Update-Guide-on-HOW-TO-KEEP-YOUR-UNLIMITED-DATA and androidcentral: best-buy-mobile-lets-me-keep-unlimited-data-plan-verizon. but I still feel a little confused.

If it is not too much to ask, could you take a look at my specific situation below, and let me know the various ways I could go about keeping my unlimited data? I REALLY appreciate it!

Without further ado, here we go.

Plan: Nationwide Talk and Text 700 Minutes

Line 1: Galaxy S3, Unlimited Data, Month to Month, Upgrade Available

Line 2: Galaxy S3, Unlimited Data, Month to Month, Upgrade Available

Line 3: Galaxy S3, Unlimited Data, Month to Month, Upgrade Available

Line 4: Galaxy S3, Unlimited Data, Month to Month, Upgrade Available

And I know we had a fifth line on our plan, but I am not sure if we just paid ETFs on it to cancel early or what. I know we are not currently using the line, but we may be paying for it monthly still. I am not the main line on this plan, so I am not 100%. Anyway, if we did not cancel it, it would reflect the following.

Line 5: Dumbphone, No Data Plan, Month to Month, Upgrade Available

Also, if it is true about not being able to transfer upgrades between smartphones and dumbphones anymore, I do have another Galaxy S3 lying around that we could use to upgrade the dumbphone temporarily.

If Lines 1-4 want to upgrade to, say, the LG G3 (which uses the same size SIM), and we all wanted to renew our contracts on or around the same time, how would it be best to do this? Also, is there a way to do this without ultimately renewing Line 5's contract? I am not sure if we plan to keep that line on our account.

At the moment, Best Buy is not offering the LG G3 for shipping on their website. If we found a nice Verizon Rep at a store, could s/he just use the Line 5 upgrade and then activate Line 5 (adding the 2GB/$30 data plan), but then let us move a SIM to that phone from one of the unlimited data phones and then cancel the 2GB/$30 data plan on Line 5; transfer another upgrade to Line 5, do the above for another phone; and so on? Could we all just order the phone a different line wants from Verizon Online and when the phone arrives in the mail, switch with each other and before even turning the phones on, put our own SIMs in them?

I am so confused. Please let me know if you need anymore information or if you have questions.

Thank you so much in advance for your help and patience!!!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
[MENTION=5954174]WindAqua[/MENTION]

1) you need at least 1 line with a non unlimited data plan. Dumb or smart it makes no difference.

2) you can transfer upgrades to and from any line regardless of the phone.

3) the non unlimited line that you used for the switch will be renewed without question every time you upgrade using the switch method.

4) you can technically upgrade all 4 lines using the switch method even though you only have one non unlimited line

Just use that line to upgrade all 4 phones. HOWEVER, I would not do this all at once were for that matter all in the same month. If you upgrade 4 lines using this method that would look pretty shady from verizon side. I don't know if there's any repercussions for doing so but I personally would not test it.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Batttie:
I would advise to do it one at a time. My experience is best buy is extremely slow and the reps can get easily confused.. Do it over the course of a few days.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
This method Still works!

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] klabit87:
I will just set this right here.

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/08/1...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DroidLife+(Droid+Life)

Doesn't effect me though because I just transfer the upgrade to my wife's line which keeps a 2gb package anyways.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Thanks for the info! So essentially it only effects people who have a dumb phone on the non UL line? 2gb would work? Seems that way.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
Love my 32gb droid maxx. Ended up getting a 16gb for our other unlimited line.

I wish there wasn't such a gap between August 24th and October 1st.....

I may alternate upgrade to a g3 and just save it until the end of October. But, if the throttling is bad, I'd have 3 devices in contract.

I was so excited to see the next droid refresh. Then to get bad news, and even worse news it's saddening.

I guess in the event we decide to leave verizon, we should probably just ride things out until November. Paying an extra $30 a month to add data to a feature line costs the same for us to switch to a share everything.

Anyone know if there's that 6gb promotional calling plan anymore? I think it had unlimited talk and text with 6gb of data for $65 a month.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
So, I have 3 dumb lines eligible for upgrades. My line is unlimited (also available for upgrade). I'm thinking of using all of them since phones are just $99 right now on upgrade. I'll replace my s4 with either One(m8), S5 or G3.....the others I will upgrade and sell on ebay. If I make a couple hundred bucks at least I get something before Verizon closes it off.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
That's would be a terrible idea. They will almost unquestionablely charge you full retail for the phones you sell. You have to keep them for a certain amount of time before selling.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
[MENTION=3028512]jfriend33[/MENTION] doubt throttleing will be that bad if at all. They said high traffic areas at high traffic times. Plus, there is the whole FCC thing. When they bought the freq. There are certain rules in the contract that they must follow. I don't know specifics but I don't believe this is a certain thing just yet.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
Man. I sure hope so because I am seriously depressed about it.

Not to upset anyone but I have always paid for Internet at home or at a hotel. I just like peace of mind that I don't need to worry. Just like with my maxx I don't have to worry about battery or turning off gps and wifi.

I have looked at our account history. On average I use around 3-4gbs. Same for the other line. But twice a year maybe 3 times there's an emergency and we'll each use 15-20.

I have checked coverage for all other carriers in my area. Verizon is the only one with 4g. Sprint was rumored to expand but there's no official word on that.

I guess truthfully I never have to consume 100gbs so if I did go over my limit on a share plan it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Republic Wireless gives you 1 chance every 6 months to exceed 5gbs. They accumulate. If you didn't go over in a year you would have 2 chances, etc. What I'm not sure of is if I was not roaming and used over 10gbs how slow it would be.

I guess the only thing we can do is wait. It's going to be painful to see the note 4, moto x+1, and the new Droid come out. Knowing I have to be limited and wait until November to get a feel for things.

I would be very content keeping my current phone and plan for another year. I'd even renew all the contracts if it meant we could keep things the same.

The good news is they haven't taken away assumption of liability. That way if my family needed to split up our 5 lines for whatever reason we could.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
What do you mean? If they are activated on my line, and then deactivated....it's my phone, the only thing they can hold me to is the contract extention.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I'm not 100% sure on that policy. However when I worked there a year and a half ago they told us that if somebody takes the phone off their account before 3 months they can get charged full price. I could be wrong but its worth checking into before you get billed for a thousand dollars worth of phones.

The reason they were doing this at the time anyway is because lots of people we're buying iPhone 5's on contract, then turning around and selling it for $600 on the Internet. Verizon point of view is, if they are eating $500 off the retail, to give you the phone at a discounted price in exchange for a contract, that it should remain on your account until they have made their money back.

As I said I'm not positive, I'm just telling you what my boss told me when I worked there. If I'm wrong you lost nothing. But If I'm right, I just saved you a thousand dollars. Just a heads up.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
I appreciate it. I just transferred to the unlimited upgrade to another line and ordered the g3. Been reading you can do this and keep unlimited and extend your contract on unlimited to keep from getting throttled in October. Before Smartphones, you could activate the new phone without even opening the box and then sell it. I had always thought that it had to be activated first then deactivated and then you could do anything you want with it. The point of the discounted price was they make it up in subscription fees over the contract. I will look into it some more before ordering anymore phones.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
That is the point, but they are not making up for a $500 by you going back to a basic plan at $10 a month. Which is also why they are trying to close the loophole on 8/24.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] taz1458:
Essentially if you alternate upgrade on a line already with a 2gb line this is irrelevant. So stick it Verizon

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] teddyastuffed:
Btw, this threads method still works as of yesterday, just got an s5 from staples n kept unlimited
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ChaoticHavok:
Those that use the dumbphone route, it still might be cheaper to have to pay full retail price of a phone ($500-$600) than to pay the extra line with data ($40/mth or $960/2 yrs) with the new stipulation.

Assuming a two year contract extension:

Loophole: cost of subsidized phone + 2 yr extension with data

$100-$200 + $960 = $1060 - $1160

Purchasing a phone at retail without extra line: $500-$600

This is assuming everything else is constant.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
If the throttling is not bad, and a person had multiple lines, like me with 2 unlimited and 3 feature phones, it would be OK to spend the 360 extra per year as long as we did our upgrading constantly and sell our previous phones in pristine condition.

I just can't decide if I should pull the trigger on the g3 by the 24th. I guess if throttling was bad surely it's value would exceed the adjusted etf.

I have a $50 bb gc from the trade in any tablet promo. Plus I'm signed up for the $50 bonus gc. I'd only pay $49 + $30 upgrade fee and still get to keep a gift card.

What I'm wondering is, if people upgrade at best buy after the 24th, where they don't even activate the new smartphone on the feature line, if they could get away with keeping unlimited...

Also last question, if I did an alternate upgrade on the 24th, I would still have 2 more weeks to exchange if something else was released right?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
you more than likely could exchange it. You can't do it that way at best buy. It makes no difference whether they turn it on or not, they have to add the phone to the account using the ESN number otherwise the discounted price will not be available. The only thing not turning the phone on did was prevented the basic phone that it was being switched with from losing service. Turning the phone on activate the SIM card not the phone.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
There's been a best buy loop hole for years that let's any person upgrade with unlimited and keep it. I'll ask my friend who had a single line with Verizon how he did it.

My friend consoled me today regarding the throttling and alternate upgrade being taken away. She said don't worry. We had other scares with Verizon and the fcc always came to our rescue. It was cute more than anything lol. We'll see.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
This thread is about the loop hole your friend is taking about. I promise you, the staff at best buy has no special tricks that other stores don't have.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
There aren't any special tricks. You order a phone online through best buy and swap sims without making any account changes, and keep unlimited. It's mentioned on howard forums. I'll get a link in the morning.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I think your missing the point. That's what this entire thread is written about. Upgrading another line and switching the phone to the unlimited line. The only difference with your example is the internet as aposed to a rep. There is no need for a link. Your posting on a thread that explains exactly what your talking about.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
Where does it explain how to do it without alternate upgrade

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Omg, the only purpose for doing an alternate upgrade is so you can use an upgrade that currently exists on an unlimited line. Obviously if you have an upgrade available on a non unlimited line you don't need to do an alternate upgrade.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
So after August 24th I can upgrade at best buy and not be required to add data how

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
You cant. After the 24th the only way to do it is to upgrade a line with a tiered data plan OR upgrade a basic phone and keep data on that line.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
But what I'm saying is, how do we really know that? If single lines with unlimited can upgrade and keep data with a best buy loop hole, maybe it will still work after the 24th?

Whatever. I'm just gonna get a g3 for 50 bucks plus upgrade fee, and hope that moto releases something in the 14 day return period. Or sell it and buy the new Droid when it's released and pray throttling isn't horrific.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
How do you know? Read the link from post #330. Also, I don't know where you're getting your information from but there is no way to upgrade a single line account with unlimited data without losing it. The only way to get around losing unlimited data when the only line on your account has unlimited data is to either by the phone off contract or add an additional line to your account and use that upgrade. The minute you use an upgrade from an unlimited line on an unlimited line it is gone. Feel free to do whatever you want with your account, that's entirely up to you. The only reason I wrote this thread or wrote back to you to simply because I'm sick of seeing a multi billion dollar company get over on the general public due to lack of knowledge

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
Alright. Well I'm not making it up. My friends upgraded countless times at best buy with a single line and kept his unlimited.

Not to mention called verizon win back and had tons of extra upgrades.

He doesn't have verizon currently as he got a work phone for free.

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---------- Post added at 12:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:28 AM ----------

This is what he did http://slickdeals.net/f/6964624-upgrade-and-keep-your-unlimited-data-with-verizon

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
OK, whatever. I worked for Verizon. Its not possible. So either your friend had someone pulling some illegal scheme behind the scene scam or they are straight up lieing. As soon as you upgrade an unlimited line the unlimited data is gone. I've said this at least 3 times. Do what you want, I'm done with this conversation. Just make sure after you upgrade your single line account and lose your data, you come back to this thread and hit the thanks button since I just wasted 20 minutes of my life trying to save you an inevitable headache. All for a phone that has a locked boot loader and a sh@t ton of incompatible apps due to screen resolution not yet supported by half the play store apps. Can't say I didn't try.:banghead::banghead:

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
http://slickdeals.net/f/6964624-upgrade-and-keep-your-unlimited-data-with-verizon

Chief, read the proof...

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---------- Post added at 12:49 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 AM ----------

Still too risky I guess. You're right. It's not worth losing.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
So the article claims that your account is tied to the Simcard. If that's true, then explain this. You order a new phone that is shipped with a new Sim, which according to them is attached to your account/phone number. So when you throw that new Sim in the garbage as they tell you to do, how does the old one work? Since the new one is now attached to the account as they claim, it must knock the old one off. Not to mention they claim that the only way you lose unlimited data is activating the Sim in the phone.

If you research using google or call Verizon you will see. You lose unlimited when that line is upgraded. Reason being in order to get a discount you must sign a new contract. Uld does not exist anymore so when you resign your contract your only option is a plan that still exists.

That's why buying at full retail works because your not forced to resign, your just keeping your original contract. If you use my method by transfer upgrades to non unlimited line, then your extending the contract of the non unld line. Maybe that post works. But according to my boss, fellow employees, Verizon rep help desk, all google searches and all common sense about contracts I wouldn't touch that BS with a 1000 foot pole. Again, it's up to you. But I would be careful. Once it's gone, it's gone.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
You raise some very valid points. Especially since the unlimited cost savings heavily outweighs any savings on a phone upgrade. I just don't like this time line. I wish they'd freakin begin the optimization already so we know how bad it's gonna be.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] cell128:
Oh fuuuu..... good thing I read about this august 24 crap now. I got an upgrade ready on my spare line gonna rape verizon one last time
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
After reading about the 24th loophole closing I pulled the trigger and transfered my unlimited line upgrade to a dumphone line and got the G3. Still have my mod St but so far I'm LOVING the G3. Will I miss flashing Roms? Sure....but it's easily rooted and hopefully (while tethering works) the tethering bug issues will get worked out. I also get 2 years of contract extension on my unlimited line so No risk of throttling this October for me. I do not believe you will be able to return the phone and upgrade to something else within 2 weeks after the 24th. Remember.....this all must be done BEFORE the 24th...not on the 24th.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
LG devs seem very confident they will unlock the bootloader soon as well.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
I wish you were right. They changed the terms and being under contract doesn't exclude you from network optimization.

Sad but true.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
really? When did they do that? Before it was legacy plans running month to month outside of a contract?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
I know. It sucks. The original release was changed quite a bit. Had it been the old way all one would need to do is keep swapping upgrades until each lines under a contract. But now that's also closed too.

Just search verizon and they have the new terms updated. Any unlimited data user will be optimized after they pass the top 5% use avg.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] blahb:
So should I pull the trigger even with this warning on BestBuyMobile?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tshelby73:
So does this mean they are breaking my contract and I can get out of mine without early termination fees and switch carriers.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
No. This had to do with them closing an upgrade loophole.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
Has it been confirmed that Verizon is going to and/or legally able to throttle my data?

And is that throttled speed gonna be horrible ? I maybe use 12gb a month from Pandora and GPS.

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