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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
In my experience, along with everyone who has reported to this thread, the line that gets updraded is affected. It doesn't matter where the upgrade comes from. Verizon will feed you that garbage to push u away from UL. But ask around at third party retailers. They are usually happy to make money. The easiest way to avoid problems is read before you sign for the contract extension. It will tell you what's getting upgraded ect.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
I used my UDP upgrade and transfered it to a NON data plan line last August and upgraded that line to a G3. This was 5 days before they closed the loophole requiring you to keep the data plan on the NEW line. I got the G3....activated it.... And promptly reactivated the dumbphone on that line again. I took the G3 for myself... And my UDP was left untouched. I'm still unlimited.... And my contract on the UDP was extended by 2 years at that time.

The only thing I'm aware of that they changed is that the line that orders the new smartphone must keep a smartphone data plan for 2 years now. This sucks for me as I don't carry any other smartphones. I gave away (AOL) my wife's UDP because her work now provides her with a phone (plus she doesn't use data like I do).

I'm not saying this is definitely the case today.... But I was able to transfer my upgrade to another line and keep UDP a little more than 8 months ago.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Lurking:
Mike, since I didn't know the information I had to Google it for you.

The various answers I found were: 30 days after shipping date before getting charged full price, or the end of your plan billing cycle or, as the Verizon forum member said: "As for activation of the phone, they activated it on their end but said I can wait until the end of my billing cycle to activate it on mine and not incur any other charges. The service rep I talked to said the only reason I would be charged full price for the phone is if I didn't agree to the terms and conditions of the new contract, which I already did when I bought the phone."

So, I suppose it depends on whether you agreed when you bought the phone, whether you bought the phone through a third party, etc. It appears you managed to fit one of the checkboxes when you bought the phone on your plan.

Is that enough information, or should I Google some more? I feel like you want to quarrel and it's just too time consuming and I'm too tired...I don't want to play any more.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
You didn't have to Google anything for me. You were doing it for yourself. And, you still haven't supported your claim for which you "didn't know the information." I know perfectly well exactly what worked for me, and as I've already said, there was no need to "activate" a phone on the line which was upgraded. Just swap the SIM, that's all.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Lurking:
Is that enough information, or should I Google some more? I feel like you want to quarrel and it's just too time consuming and I'm too tired...I don't want to play any more.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] techguy2002:
Is this still relevant? I have an upgrade on the 26th of November and was told even if I transferred it to my wife's non unlimited plan on the same account my unlimited data would be affected.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
That was said to me last year when I transfered my upgrade to another line before they closed the dumb phone loophole. I never lost unlimited. I activated the new phone on the dumb phone line.... Then reactivated the dumb phone. Kept my unlimited and it also extended my unlimited contract 2 years... So I won't get hit with the extra $20 a month for unlimited until next August
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] techguy2002:
Good to know sounds like it's just a scare tactic.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] haza12d:
For those with UDPs, can't you upgrade your lines without losing unlimited data beginning Mid November because of the $20 increase?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
Technically it's not an upgrade... Now you can just "finance" a new phone through them.... So 20 a month extra for the data plus the monthly payment to finance a new phone. If you have an upgrade on your UDP and another smartphone on your account..... Transfer the upgrade now and extend your contract before the $20 price increase kicks in.

If you don't have a capped smartphone line on your plan now then it won't work... You'll be stuck paying $30 a month for 2 years for data. They closed the dumb phone upgrade loophole last year.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] techguy2002:
I can't do crap until the 28th of November. Would I just be better getting a phone off eBay or swappa since I'm gonna be hit with the $20 either way or would the $20 drop off once the contract is extended?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I read on CNET that exsiting upgrades will be treated as $200 credits towards a new phone. They are doing everything possible to squeeze the last 1% of us off the UDP. Glad I still have it, just used it to stream my METS clinch the NL crown! Let's Go Mets!!!!

Oh yeah, screw Verizon. Not like we rooters and modders have any options left. Nexus, Moto pure or root only. Thanks Big Red for now charging us full retail on our devices and STILL telling us what should come on it and what we can and can't do with it.

I figure T-Mobile will be usable in another year or so, I so look forward to that day! I truly hate th8s company!

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] klabit87:
After looking at it online fit a while it looks like I can transfer my upgrade one more time so I plan to do this in the next week or 2 and will see how it goes.

I've ran through everything and it all looks the same as usual so shouldn't have any problems.

Will post my results as soon as I do it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] techguy2002:
Took the leap and upgraded today. Transferred my upgrade to my wife's 2gb line and got an iphone. Going to activate it on her line and then transfer it to mine online once it arrives. During checkout the keep existing was the only choice before I paid.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Can you verify that your contract date on you line has been extended for 2 years and not your wife's?

Verizon seems to be dipping to ALL TIME LOWS with their lieing and customer deception. I've be told so much bulls##t in the last month by customer reps, in store help and manegment about the new $20 price rate hike in UD. I'm so fed up with this companies piss poor practices. I'm trying to get to the bottom of this garbage to help others out. Thanks buddy.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] klabit87:
I followed the same method. Transfer upgrade eligibility to my wife's line, upgrade hers, activate on her line, then transfer the phone to my line.

Everything went smooth as usual and my contract end date has been extended and my billing cycle just ended so I checked the bill and everything is as it was before.

No extra $20 charge.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] techguy2002:
As soon as I transferred the upgrade from my line to my wife's line and placed the order and it was processing my contract on the unlimited line was extended. After I received the iPhone I activated it on my wife's line first. Then got on with Verizon chat support and did a device swap to move the iPhone I ordered to my line and put her iPhone back on hers. My unlimited is still intact and she has her same plan and she can upgrade next year. I have to wait now until 11/11/2017.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Thanks man, that's what I thought. Just wanted to verify.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] techguy2002:
I was sweating bullets through the process. I was lucky enough to find a Verizon reseller on Facebook in a group I'm in that walked me through everything.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
You don't have to "activate" any phone on VZW these days. Just put your "SIM" in the new phone and be on your way. You can carefully cut it down to size, if necessary. Also VZW doesn't need to do a device swap, just move the SIMs to the desired phones.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] techguy2002:
I screwed the sim slot on the iPhone trying to eject it. So swapping the sim was a no go. Klabit glad yours worked as well. Phone works great just waiting on the jailbreak and if I ever need to eject the sim I'll call squaretrade and get it replaced for $75
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] klabit87:
In order for this to work for me I had to activate the device with the included sim on my wife's line. Make sure calls and text work.

Put the new sim in her phone throw away her old one.

Then I had an extra sim so I activate that sim on my line and put it in the new phone.

I'm pretty sure the key part is to activate the device on the line that it came for.

After the initial activation you can do whatever.

Done it like those for the past 3 upgrades now with no issues.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Redflea:
Since it's a new year, I have of course started off w/a bang, and dropped my phone and broken screen/digitizer so that it is unusable. :(

Wanted to confirm that nothing big has changed w/the new year and I can complete the following at Costco w/out having issues w/my UDP on my line. Current status:

Five lines:

Mom-dumbphone

Me- S4 - UDP- upgrade available

Wife- S4 - UDP - upgrade available

Son1 - S5 - TDP - No upgrade

Son2 - S5 - TDP - Upgrade available

Plan is to order new S5 on son2 TDP line, give that phone to my wife to use on her UDP line, and then move her S4 to my UDP line.

Are there any new gyrations or special steps I need to worry about doing this w/Costco? I've done these transactions there in the past w/out issue, but wanted to make sure nothing has changed recently that might cause any problems w/my wife's (or my) UDP line when I do this.

Thanks!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Everything as far as upgrading without losing the plan works the same. However there has been 1 major change that took place late last year. Any UDP that is out of contract (meaning its been more then 2 years since the line was last upgraded)has been bumped to $50 per month. Any UDP that is still within 2 year contract is still $30 but will change to $50 when the 2 years is up. So essentially,the only way you can keep UDP without going to a $50 per month is if that UDP line has an available upgrade, which can be switched to and used on a tierd data plan before the 2 year mark when the price change kicks in. That way it will extend the contract on the line the upgrade came from and you should have $30 UDP on that line for 2 more years.

HOWEVER, after that 2 year you will have no option other to pay $50 per month since you won't get another upgrade on that line until 2 years is up, at which point it will automatically change to $50.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Redflea:
Meant to get back but got busy and forgot. Thanks for you reply - upgraded w/out incident at Costco and my wife has a new Note 5 and I have her old S4.

Is that how it's supposed to work? :) (I may have her screen/digitizer moved to my S4 since mine is MDK and she has taken every update since she got hers, so it's a PITA from a root/ROM perspective).

Appreciate your help very much.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] MrGeekGuy:
Just the Upgrade price, which at the time was $179 for the 16GB version.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] IamPro:
Did you pay the iron price for it, or the gold?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Evil-Eye:
I tried to siwtch a device online last night only on my 2GB line (not either of my 2 unlimited ones) and it tried baiting me to switch to a share plan. So watch out everyone it looks like they're making us call now.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] beast67x:
I tried activating an old "dumb phone" and there is no way they would give me a 9.99 a month plan. If i want to activate a dumb phone it will cost me 30 bucks a month additionally to keep the line. I may call back and see what a different representative would do but 360$ a year to keep unlimited may not be worth it.

PS this also works if ANOTHER PERSON has upgrades they are willing to give you. I actually discovered this on my own when I lost my phone and didnt have an upgrade. Used my brothers upgrade he had on a spare line and somehow we both kept unlimited data. this is how i ended up with my s4 now. :good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
First of all, there are about 100 different phone plans in the computer. 95% are old and even though you can technicly use them a lot of reps won't do it unless you ask by name for a specific plan. However, a recent, pre share everything plan, is the one that 98% of non share everything people have. Where you share minutes and have separate data packages on each line . if you are on that plan and the rep is telling 30 he is jerkin you. Its $35 one time activation and 10 a month as long as the dummy phone is a NON Smartphone. You gotta remember. When you walk into the store they make more money selling you a smartphone then a basic phone so a lot of times words get twisted and people .can be deceiving. And when I say they I mean reps. Smart phones always make them more so guess what the push?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dhayman11:
Yeah I'd call back for sure. I work for a VZW retailer and from my experience, its about a 50/50 shot with getting a helpful rep over the phone. Any of the Nationwide Account Level share plans will allow you to add a feature phone for $9.99 a month (assuming you have at least two lines on a share plan already).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ngockhanh1988:
same me
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Rebel908:
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but if you go directly through Verizon, you can transfer the upgrade from your unlimited line to an different line and then perform the same hardware swap and get the new device on your unlimited line
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Yeah that was in the original post.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Leatherneck2111:
Okay, I've read the thread and now have a screaming headache.

I have an unlimited everything plan- on the plan I still have a 3G usb modem (along with several smart and dumb phones).

Question is...how do I upgrade to a 4G usb modem without screwing my data plan up????

Waiting with tylenol for an answer.:silly:

Jim
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jconner05:
I work at a VZW retailer and as far as I know, you won't be able to save that plan if you upgrade that line at all. I think even if you buy a 4G modem off of contract, you would still have to change that plan to have it active on that line. I'm not 100% sure, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] harpdoc:
Just successfully pulled off the upgrade today! I used an upgrade from my kid's dumb-phone, which didn't have a data plan. First I tried to do it from the Verizon website, but it required that I add a data plan. Then I went to a private (not Verizon corporate) Verizon dealer and they were totally cool about it (Diamond Wireless in Salt Lake City--ask for Sara).

Many thanks to Shaftamle for getting this thread going.:D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dhayman11:
Yeah I'm pretty sure you're right. I know Eroes doesn't let you put a 4G modem on an unlimited 3G plan data plan.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] MotF Bane:
Let me see if I have this right. I have a Thunderbolt (yes, really) with its normal SIM card and unlimited data. My mother (family plan) has a normal feature phone, upgrade available, and doesn't want to upgrade. My three real concerns from the guide are 1) do I leave the store and go home, 2) how mad is VZW going to be about the multiple SIM card rewrites, and 3) how to prevent ME7 OTA.

I go into the store, find a friendly sales associate, say I want to upgrade her phone to an S4, 16GB black. Presumably, there will be such a phone still sealed in its box in the store. That comes out. It needs to be activated on my mother's line (which will necessitate a new SIM), and then I need to immediately take it from the sales associate and kill the OTA update (just by activating airplane mode), before leaving the store.

Go home, come back another day, or even go to another store the next day, with all three phones. Ask to do a device only swap to move the S4 onto the TB line, which means another new microSIM. At the same time, I'd need to move my mother's feature phone back onto her line, which involves buying a SIM adapter, or getting it coded back to a regular SIM.

Did I get this correct? That's a lot of new SIM cards, and I'm quite concerned about preventing the ME7 OTA. Thanks.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] broderp:
Did it yesterday!

I went to TARTGET of all places. I was shopping and as usual took a look at the cell phones. I saw the S4 for $159, when the closed compteitor was WalMart at $179. Verizon was $199 or $249 with a $50 mail in rebate. :eek:

I have been eligible for an upgrade for several months but was leary about losing my unlimited data. The manger, Travis at this location was GREAT. He told me if I wanted too, he knew of a way to do it and explained to me this method. I was reluctant and lost at first, so I went to the web to search this out and read several articles about this. Travis also told me that if I waited until Sunday, the phone would drop to $139.

So I went in Sunday and took a stab at it. Travis did everything. I walked out of the store with a functioning S4 with my unlimited plan still intact. :p Here's his basic steps:

1. Upgraded my son's basic phone to the S4.

2. He called Verizon, he knew someone at verizon :good: and he had her remove the S4 and replace it with his old LG Cosmos.

3. I logged onto the VZ website and he did an alternate upgrade from my old Galaxy S to the S4.

4. All I had to do was call #228 from my sons phone when I got home and reactivate it.

I am still eligable for upgrade on my account with the new S4 and I verified (we had the opportunity to select what plan when we upgraded) that I have the unlimited plan.

I couldn't be happier. :victory:

I think the fact that Travis was very knowledgable, and knew a specific person at Verizon may have helped. The guys at the actual Verizon store claim there was NO way to keep my unlimited plan and get a new phone without paying the full retail price. Right!! :rolleyes:

Now if I could find a way to avoid the ridiculas $30 activation fee.......:mad:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nicotheandroidguy:
The people at the store I went to claimed as soon as you do a Sim swap you loose unlimited so I ended up leaving them I shouldnt have believed them.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Unicorn512:
If you don't like the first answer...

A couple of years ago my wife and I got new Moto D3s when they had the BOGO deal. I could have upgraded a little sooner, but limped along with the D3s (and Safestrap + MiniMoto) on mine until the very first day the GS4 was available. I was all ready to bite the bullet and pay full retail for one phone and let my wife stay on her stock D3 (she rarely uses hers) to keep the unlimited data when I happened to talk to the Verizon guys at my local Costco a few days before the availability date for the GS4. That was the best move I ever made!

They explained that we get could 2 new GS4s for less than the cost of one outright purchase, plus they knew how to keep the unlimited data plan on my line (hers never had one.)

Bottom line---- TWO new first day GS4s, plus extra accessories, plus a better replacement/insurance plan. All for less than the cost of ONE new full retail phone.

I did notice that when the bill came through, there were two upgrade charges on her line, but none on mine.

No matter how they did it, I am well pleased and unless something changes, Costco is the only place I will ever look for a new phone.

So if you ask someone and don't like the answer, keep asking somewhere else. Chance are good that you will find the right person who knows how to get-r-done!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
They did exactly what the post says to do. Thats what your wife's phone has to upgrade charges and yours had none. Because they are upgrading her phone with your new phone and switched it back and then upgraded hers again with her new one. Same deal.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Good luck with the 30 activation. And no Travis is not a magician, he did exactly what this post says to do. What I posted is not a huge secret, its pretty well known to anybody who sells cell phones, just not to the general public. Hence the reason for the post.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
That is complete bs.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nicotheandroidguy:
I now know that. My consequence is dealing with America's worst cell phone carrier Sprint.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Sorry to hear that. :screwy:

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jeffy8605:
This is what I did to get my s4. Worked fantasticly lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Okay boss you're making this a lot harder than it has to be. First to answer your questions, question 1 don't leave the store. Question 2 Verizon's not going to be mad because you're one of a hundred million people and they have bigger fish to fry. 3 the only thing you need to worry about it regarding the firmware versions is did you get lucky enough to go to a store that has one in stock. It is posted on the label what firmware version the phone has. Therefore if there are 0 phones with the MDK build leave this store. If you get one with Mdk build you can perform the switch in its entirety without even turning the new phone on. Follow the post. It changes in Verizon system as long as the phone is a 4G phone the only ones that need to be activated are the ones where you dial star 228. Then once you do the switch switch back the same day, this is not illegal or against the law. Then once you go home you can worry about rooting it. If the salesperson insist that you turn it on then yes airplane mode will work. I'm not sure why people think that one sees things get turned on they just updated 5 seconds flat. You have to download normally a pretty big file then it will ask you if you want to upgrade just say no or turn the phone. As far as the SIM card go you get one with the phone it comes with it, if your current phone uses the same size then you don't need to buy one however if you need a new one since its the second one you might need to buy it depending on the store. Finally your mom has a basic phone she does not have a sim card. I have no idea what is sim adapter is all I do know is it will take them less than half the time it took me to write this response to put her phone back on the line. Hope this helped.

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