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[General Topics] Chop!:
Tom *#@%$Tom & XDAs

Sorry to hear about your problems. TomTom has given me problems on my XDAs, my XDA IIs, & now on my XDA IIi! I'm told that the new version 5 will sort everything out..........now where have I heard that b4? Have changed sd cards, tho I must say I haven't tried with the phone off & as TT don't want to give me a new key for mine, I'm waiting for the release of nav 5.

Also I travel a lot in East Europe I have always used TT Routeplanner, which has main roads in E Eu but it won't load on XDA IIi, you can also use MS Autoroute 2001 on a PC, which has main roads in E Eu but no bluetooth capability. (Autoroute dropped all E Eu detail a few years back as they provided for more detail in West Europe)

Has anyone heard of a version of Routeplanner that'll work with 2003SE?

Does anyone know of a Nav programme for PC that has comprehensive coverage of Eastern Europe?

Safe travels! My TomTom & I, lost in Europe! LOL
[General Topics] bluebotle:
I can definelty say it is the phone that has caused my XDA2i to lockup when running Tomtom 3. My final test today was a success too, I performed a Hard Reset last night and reinstalled Active O2, Tomtom 3, POi Warner, All the usual Apps that come with the Device and Installed maps of europe.

After completing 200miles today without a single lockup using tomtom 3 with the phone off has proven the phone is the single cause of this problem.

I installed the Maps etc on my 1gb SD card! However I am going to use my 512mb from now on which seems to allow the device to run smoother.

Whilst on my travelles today, I stopped and had to use my GPRS connection to download Email.

I closed down Tomtom and reinstated the phone adn connected to GPRS Web and successfully downloaded my Mail. I then closed down GPRS connection, turned off the phoen which I have to say is pretty hard to do as I seem to only be able to turn off the wireless connection which in turn truns off bluetooth. I then managed to get Bluetooth working again keeping the phone off and managed to drive some distance until I reached home without a lockup. Just proves that the phone can be on but not at the same time as tomtom 3.

Cheers

Lee
[General Topics] lydiachris:
Hi thankyou.

But how the hell do you turn your bluetooth on with flight mode enabled?!?!

It is impossible on a XDAIIi.

PLEASEEEEEEEE could you tell us :D

Thankyou SO much for your review and testings. I really appreciate it.

VERY COMENDABLE WORK!!!!!!

LydiaChris
[General Topics] bluebotle:
Funny Enough I have the same problem, this is just what I have asked on this Forum "how do you turn off the phone" I have tried alsorts of ways and after playing with it for a while each time, I manage to turn off the phone with the wireless mode still on.

My old XDA2 worked better, When I turned on the Flightmode it turned everything off. When I turned off Flightmode it only turned on the Wireless part not the phone. XDA2i seems to be different, it turns on all!

If anyone knows of a program like a phone manager or something that will help us whilst we wait for O2 to come up with a patch would be much apprieciated.

Cheers

Lee
[General Topics] mindracing:
I would say the clue to the logic of its operation lies in the name - Flight Mode.

When flying no wireless equipment should be used.

If there was an issue and you said 'well, I switched it to flight mode' and the BT was on, the phone manufacturer could be called to account.

Not that this answers your question.

I have the same issues with my XDA2i, and several others.

I'm seriously considering downgrading back to an XDA2. I get very little benefit, and a lot of hassle, since upgrading.

My XDA2 worked great with BT, TomTom and every peice of SW I put on it. Great battery life too. My 2i is just a PITA.
[General Topics] lydiachris:
Hi.

Well how did you do all that testing if you couldn't switch your bluetooth on with flight mode enabled!?!? Surely it was impossible.

Please could you explain more, as I want to try tomtom with only the bluetooth on.

Pleae could you explain how you did this!?

Cheers,

LydiaChris
[General Topics] bluebotle:
Hi,

To turn off the flightmode leaving the phone off but turning on the BT and Wireless Lan is not easy.

I can do it though, sometimes!

If I do it a few times it must confuse it and the phone stays off. Trust me I have done it.

As you said how could I have tested the above without it.

The way I do it is this:-

I turn on Flight mode which turns off the wireless lan, BT and Phone.

Then I open Tomtom and the tomtom tries to find the BT GPS. Tomtom Disables the GPS because BT is off.

Whilst Tomtom is running I go into settings of the XDA2i and try to turn on BT. It turns on for a second then turns off and says Turn Off Flightmode First. I close that popup and this is where the differences are:-

Either BT will turn on at that time even though flight mode is on

or

I have to Turn off flight mode which sometimes turns on BT without the Phone, but most times turns on everything.

If it turns on the Phone I have to re-do the above steps until it eventually keeps the phone off.

Its not ideal but I can do it.

I wish I could show you a screen shot of my XDA2i with the Phone off and BT on. Trust me I have done it several times.

Good Luck

Cheers

Lee
[General Topics] bluebotle:
The other option is to remove your sim card, then see if my experiment is true, you will find Tomtom runs very well without the phone on!

Cheers

Lee
[General Topics] mindracing:
Has anyone tried the BTToggle app to be found elsewhere on this site.

It just toggles BT on and off.

Don't know if it works with the 2i though.
[General Topics] bluebotle:
Ok here is how to do it, ive just done it without having a problem.

1) Start Tomtom with it communicating to the Bluetooth GPS and Phone is on.

2) Whilst tomtom is running turn on flightmode (turning off all Wireless and Phone)

3) Go back into Tomtom and it should have lost its connection to BT you will see it hasn't disabled the GPS though!

4) Turn on BT in the Bluetooth Settings in the settings menu of the XDA2i

5) XDA2i will then pop up a message saying turn off flight mode first, try to close that popup and it will take several seconds whilst it closes the popup.

6) Hey presto the delay was caused by the XDA2i trying to turn on Wirelss with out the Phone.

7) You now have just wirelss on and not the phone.

Let me know if this works for you, it has for me each time.

Cheers

Lee
[General Topics] bluebotle:
The above has just been proven to work after doing it 5 times on my xda2i. Don't know why it works but for some reason doing it this way keeps the phoen off but enables the Wireless Connectivity.

To be honest when I wrote my previous message on page 1 regarding turning off the phone, I didn't actually know whow I did it. But after documenting the proceedure with various techiques I am happy to say I have found a solution.

Happier than ever now as I know how to do it every time. Its not so much of a problem now! :) Thanks for asking me lol

Anyway let me know if it works for you, you have to do it exactly as I described in the procedure otherwise it will just turn on the phone.

Cheers

Lee
[General Topics] bluebotle:
Hi

Just wondering if this is the same on other XDA2i Devices.

Does the above turn off your Phone leaving the Bluetooth On?

Cheers

Lee
[General Topics] pebsuk:
Cards Used

I have tried a Viking 512k caused problems, a 265k high speed Dane Elec was fine, a 1GB card forgotten maker caused problems I am currently using a Kingston 1GB card with no issues. I always switch off the phone though as if the phone rings Tom Tom loose bluetooth connectivity!!
[General Topics] polly:
If you turn on flight mode,then using the same icon select settings and say yes to 'turn wireless on' ,then cancel the phone screen it will disable the phone and enable bluetooth.
[General Topics] andy-c1:
mine is working fine until i tried updating traffic ,then it crashed ,i then tried downgrading the gps but that made it crash almost every 8 miles this morning i went back to the latest gps update and now have been 40 miles with no problem ,just dont use traffic ,which is fine with me as up upgrade should arrive soonish i hope
[General Topics] CityArchitect:
Loosing GPS connection

Sorry to drag all this up again, but I've been having exactly the same troubles with an XDA II i and TT3.07 plus a PBT111 Bluetooth GPS.

TT3 keeps locking. Now, not withstanding all the information on this topic, I believe that the SD Card references are closer to the mark here.

And sorry about the theory about size less than 1GB here, since my card is a San Disk 256MB. I know it's a slow card, I've had problems before.

I've switched TT3 maps into a fast San Disk 128MB card I have...... and........It's now rock solid, no dropouts of BT, no freezes of TT3. I've tried everything to cause it problems, switching on and off the GPS, entering and exiting Flight Mode, no problems, rock solid......

and ...... TT3 is now much snappier and responsive......

So, my vote is SD Card, everything else maybe moves the problem around a little.......perhaps.....
[General Topics] gadgetman:
XDA IIi lock up

I am using a lexar 256mb card and my Tom Tom 3 locks up regularly. I have had an e mail from Tom Tom saying that version 5 is now available, has any one tried it on the XDAIIi ???????????

I do not want to turn the phone off as thats one of the reasons I bought the XDAIIi
[General Topics] CityArchitect:
Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh...... Shouldn't have spoken too soon.

Although the XDA II i is a lot happier and considerably faster with the 128MB SD rather than the 256MB SD (both San Disk), my TT3.07 froze again today and I have to say at the same point on the same road that it happened once before.

So, looks like the phone switching cells is a good theory..... I did have the phone semi-suspended since I didn't enter a PIN, but it seems it was still active anyhow......
[General Topics] Anton.Valleyman:
Has anyone with TT5 experienced this yet? Yesterday I had a freeze but I'm not sure if it was due to the age old problem or something else.

Cheers

Ant
[General Topics] CityArchitect:
And today the XDA II i worked with TT3 faultlessly, no hangs at all.

And why? Because I left the SIM card out of the XDA.....
[General Topics] Guenne:
Somebody tried the Dutch update?

Saying ROM-Date 23/05/05 1.11.112, Radio 1.02.....WWE

Funny Brightpoint.de offered me to update (I should have to send it to them) to 1.11.00 Radio 1.03 WWE, date 27/01/05, saying that this would be te latest version they have.

My version is 1.11.01, Radio 1.02 GER 27/01/05.

So guess which version is the latest?

Even stranger, when I tried the Dutch update yesterday, it asked me if I wanted to update to ROM 1.11.00 :?:
[General Topics] CityArchitect:
And...................

XDA II i froze again today in TT3.07, despite having the SIM card out. The Phone radio is obviously still active.

So, it seems I've come full circle back to the original posting's (sorry, I can't remember who's) solution that the phone radio is to blame. That person is correct.

Now, we need to wait for a radio update to solve the problem?
[General Topics] CityArchitect:
Today, when searching around, I noticed that there is an update to TT3.07 for the GPS module that I didn't have. It seems to have been released October 2004, anyway, I didn't get this with the TT3.07 update.

It reports that it deals with the XDA receiving incoming calls upsetting the GPS module. This sounds pretty close to the problem which is that the phone interupts the GPS module when it registers with a new cell.

Has anyone tried GPS 3.07 with the XDA?
[General Topics] Fritz:
I tried the GPS 3.07 update

It only partially solved the problem.

I've been speaking to Tom Tom about this problem who have been less than helpful although they did suggest that is due to a BT conflict

I have had the most success using a dedicated 128 MB SD card for Tom Tom, the GPS 3.07 update and updated BT BUT it is still not perfect. I occasionally get lock ups for no apparent reason, I occasionally get lock ups when I receive a call, I often get a lock up when Imake a call.

Tom Tom's latest reply is pasted below

Dear Mr ******,

TomTom are only able to offer support to devices that are on our comatibility list.

The XDA IIi is not compatible with either TomTom Navigator 3 or 5.

I'm very sorry but we can not be of further assistance to you with this incompatible PDA.

With best regards,

The TomTom Customer Support Team

Thanks Tom Tom, you really do look after your customers well, £ 150 in and I have a software package that doesn't work, that I can't now return and that I can't realistically sell on.

Does anyone know of a Sat Nav system that works with the XDA2i BT GPS plus with BT headset?
[General Topics] wakigatame:
Navigator 3 issues

:( have just taken delivery of my shiny new XDAIIi replacing my wonderfully reliable XDAII and have experienced the same problems as everyone else. Unit locks up with Navigator 3. I have not even had the opportunity to use Navigator as I have got to provide Tom Tom everything bar my inside leg measurement to enable a transfer of the registration. I uninstalled Nav 3 last night and the unit has worked flawlessly today, so I am now eagerly anticipating the delivery of Nav 5 which of course will resolve all the issues that we have been enduring...... yeah right!! I am now going to have to use my XDAII in the car for my sat nav and my XDAIIi as the phone. Thanks Tom Tom.
[General Topics] sybaseian:
I've had numerous problems with XDAIIi lock-ups and TT3.

I have a 128Mb SD card from Compaq which works brilliantly, without any lockups and all POIs enabled on the full UK mapping, with the phone on and a bluetooth headset providing directions!

However, until today I have been unable to find a larger SD that does not cause lockups till I tried the latest and fastest Kingston 133x Ultimate 512Mb card.

I have tried the following SD card from Kingston (made in Japan) and also changed by Kingston after the first card caused lockups:-

Kingston Elite Pro (High Speed) 60x 512Mb (Blue with white lable)

Kingston High Speed 60x 512Mb (All white)

both cards caused lockups at the same place on my drive to work (probably a combination of card and phone cell change?)

I have also tried a sandisk 512Mb which I had lying around (first 512Mb card I tried) which also locked up TT3 at the same place.

I've removed all traces of o2 Active (although the Compaq SD didn't lockup with it running - not tried the new 133x card with it yet).

Phone calls don't cause lockup with the 128Mb card (not yet tried the new card)

I'm running gps 2.06 not 3.07 - although I'm running the 3.07 update with a downgrade to gps 2.06.

If I hadn't had a working 128mb card from the start, I would have reverted back to my ipaq for TT3 navigation and handed back the XDAIIi.......

I have tried all the other larger cards with the flight mode on and all POI settings off, but they still locked up at the same location.

I think that there is a combination problem which causes the unit to hang if the SD card tries to read from a larger SD card when the phone is switching cells.

I'm going to do an experiment where I use the slow SD cards in my XDA and my iPaq and see it they both lockup at the same time in the same loaction. I will then do the same but put the fast SD card in my XDA and repeat.
[General Topics] lydiachris:
Hi BlueBottle,

I have TomTom Nav 5 now and I CAN'T turn on flightmode without turning off bluetooth!!

Your trick worked for TomTom Nav 3 but not for TomTom nav 5, I have an XDAIIi.

PLEASE HELP!!!!
[General Topics] DUTCH:
Reboot your device and hit cancel when it asks for your SIM pincode. No GSM, BT works :wink:
[General Topics] Anton.Valleyman:
Interesting.

Installed the iMate 1.11 ROM update on my O2 XDA2i...reinstalled TT5 and had the POI on during the trip to work. Went through several known freezing points due to antenna changes. Didn't lock once. Will try again on the way home, see what happens.

Ant
[General Topics] lydiachris:
Just the job mate!!!!

Thankyou very much :D

ps. does anyone use a XDAIIi Screen Protector?? My screen is getting quite scrathed and what do people recommend?? Brands?? Makes?? Types???
[General Topics] ph4824:
Just came across this post, read most of it and had to comment.

I have 2x XDAIIi with TT5 and previously had XDAII with TT3 - all with lock up problems. TomTom customer support by phone is a complete joke as they are always engaged.

I have 2x XDAIIi because I have had bluetooth problems with ALL phones and I needed a backup just incase I send one off for repair.

I now use my XDAIIi with TT5 and find that I constantly have bluetooth problems, such as TT5 shuts down the bluetooth when you close it, and incoming and outgoing blutooth volume problems, but overall the TT5 is an improvement over TT3.

...and for TomTom to decline support for the XDA because its not on their compatibiltiy list!!!!! what a joke, I mean how many PDAs are out there? surely they must realise that the XDA is a popular phone?

All in All I find technology never lives up to the hype!!!! and I'm fed up with having problems where you can't get proper support from these large companies.
[General Topics] Fritz:
Anton

Let me just clarify please.

Presumably you have a Bluetooth GPS receiver

Presumably did a full back up before anything.

Then installed the iMate 1.11 ROM Update (did you download this from this site, if not please let us know where)

Re-installed Navigator 5 and that was all? Did you have the BT on and phone off?

Can we have an update, have you experienced any further lock ups?
[General Topics] jdee246:
Just noticed that Xda IIi has now appeared on the list of compatible devices for TTN5 on the tomtom site. For b/t and wired. So now they have to give proper support - if anyone can get through to them :shock:

JD
[General Topics] Fritz:
Where? The list I'm looking at says

O2 XDA, XDA II, XDA II S

http://www.tomtom.com/support/right...l2=0&cat_lvl1=0&p_search_text=&p_new_search=1

and here is the link.
[General Topics] Fritz:
Hmm...done some digging and interestingly enough the XDA2i is mentioned in the following section of the Tom Tom Support Section

How to manually configure TomTom NAVIGATOR 5 for Bluetooth GPS receivers.

They give the outgoing com port details. Now why would they do that if Nav 5 isn;t compatible with the XDA2 i?
[General Topics] Fritz:
Now this is quite interesting....Just planned a route using "advanced planning section" through a spot where Tom Tom gives up and shuts down.

You have to have no receiver running or it will simply change the from location to your current location.

Went to route demo and ran the demo.

When the route got to the shut down spot exactly the same thing happened.

Surely it cannot therefore be anything to do with the phone or the BT functionality because I am miles away from the particular area where this happens.
[General Topics] jdee246:
You sure you're not looking at a cached page? Try following: tomtom.com > Products > PDA Navigation > Nav Bluetooth (or wired) > Compatibility

Xda1 is gone and xda2i is listed.

JD
[General Topics] Fritz:
Found it....was looking at a FAQ section so I guess that list (or question) hasn't been updated.

Will let you all know what Tom Tom come up with now.
[General Topics] CityArchitect:
Just thought I'd update everyone on my further adventures into the world of TT, BT and XDA. I still have problems, I guess during moving between cells. Current configuration (Yes, I've tried upgrading!) is:

XDA IIi ROM 1.10.00 WWE Radio 1.00.00 ExtROM 1.10.124

TomTom 5 Nav 5.000 (4890) GPS Driver 1.20

I've only tested it once in 1 mile drive from my home and it froze somewhere along the route. The BT was still connected as far as the GPS was concerned (Blue light steady), the GPS had a fixed (red light steady), but TT thought that no GPS was active.

Any suggestions as to where to go next?

Thanks,
[General Topics] Fritz:
Destinator or Navman would be my suggestion
[General Topics] DeD:
TOMTOM5 with XDAII - map problems

A piece of feedback: using TT5 with 1GB Kingmax Platinum SD. What I see happen is that during the trip, the details on the map start to decrease: first you seel all the streets, then a bit later only the bigger and at the end only the highway. Finally the map is blank. TT5 does not exactly hangs (although it has happened), but restarting TT5 does not solve this problem, I need to soft reset.

But TT5 does not seem to work for longer than 30mins. On my next long trip, I'll shut off the phone and see whether this helps.
[General Topics] seamie_irl:
TomTom v XDA

Hi All,

Can I take it then that the XDA II works well with TomTom Navigator 5 even with the phone switched on?

Is TomTom Nav 5 the one most would recommend?

Does it have Ireland (NI and ROI) maps?

Thanks

Seamie
[General Topics] hitla:
Guys,

I am running TT5 with XDA2i and NO PHONE SIM. Removed all the O2 crap (pointers from this form, thanx). I have also changed the memory setting from default to Program Allocated 79.27 MB and have now used TT5 for 3 days without a SINGLE lock up.
[General Topics] jdee246:
Has anyone else found the freezing issue fixed with this update? And could it be because this has an update to 1.03 for the radio stack? (current o2 radio stack is 1.00)

JD
[General Topics] daash:
XDA IIi Lockup

I used the XDA IIi with TT3 and had the following problems:

1. Lockup

2. When receiving a phone call whilst running TT3 the phone would ring but I could not hear the caller and they could not hear me.

I now have installed TT5 and problem 1 has gone away however, problem 2 remains the same.

My XDAIIi is standard out-of-the-box with nothing special installed, I am using TT's wired GPS and a SanDisk 1Gb Card.
[General Topics] jdee246:
Re: XDA IIi Lockup

Have you tried tomtom 5.10 update available from www.tomtom.com/3361

One of the fixes is supposed to be "Improved call handling on PDAs with integrated phone".
[General Topics] turbominor:
I had nightmares with my xda IIi locking with tomtom 3 and 5 with a wired gps or running route demo.

Have done the usual hard reset and reinstall to no avail..

In desperation i swapped my new pqi 512sd for a spare 256 and lockup's instantly stopped..

Now have an infinion 512 and still no lockups

Can i sugest trying an other sd card?
[General Topics] Fritz:
Getting rid of the O2 crap seems to have largely solved all my problems. I do very occasionally get a lock up when the phone rings. The biggest problem I have now is that TomTom switches off Bluetooth when you close it down but I can live with that.

I haven;t dared tried to re-install voice dial etc because its nice just to be able to drive somewhere using Nav 5 and receive calls, I'll work on making them once I'm sure this is stable.

I've updated to 5.1 and will keep you all informed.
[General Topics] ice man:
The best way to turn off the phone while leaving bluetooth on is simple, All you have to do is make sure you have pin coded your sim card, so when you soft reset your XDA2i it asks for the pin code, dont enter anything just press cancel the pda turns on but the phone stays off, turn on bluetooth and select tomtom and there you go, toget the phone back on just soft reset.
[General Topics] cgbrannigan:
I was on a flybe flight from birmingham to Glasgow and the male stewardess actually said "please turn off all mobile phones, if you pda has a flight mode this does not count and the device must be switched off"
[General Topics] bluebotle:
Was he an air steward or work for a PDA company? It sounds like he was a jumped up fart that thinks he knows everything. O2 say that turning on flight mode does exactly what it says, allows you to fly in an aircraft. That in itself is like turning off the phone.

I think he was wrong, admittedly having the PDA on (Phone Off) may cause some kind of interference, just like they claim a laptop does. So its always best to turn it off when taking off or landing. End of the day I can do without the PDA on for 15mins whilst they get it in the air.

Cheers

Lee