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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] RepeatUntilTheEnd:
My reason was purely not wanting to be liable for the other lines. The corporate store I went to yesterday said it couldn't be done, but obviously they were misinformed.

I bought the new Moto X off contract ($500), which will be good for a few years. Previously I had the droid incredible and the galaxy nexus.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
It think what they are saying is now you have no way to upgrade without paying retail.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
Anyone have suggestions on how to preorder the note 4 and get the 190 bonus and keep unlimited? 2 unlimited eligible for upgrade and 3 feature lines 2 under agreement.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] RepeatUntilTheEnd:
Since this thread is all about upgrading and keeping data I guess my situation doesn't really apply. I'm just glad to still have the unlimited data after separating my line.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
Verizon canceled plans to optimize! Hail yeeeuh!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
It was never about optimizing. Its strictly about getting people off unlimited. If they were worried about optimizing they wouldn't be rolling out data intensive video calling as part of the stock dilar. Volte is the technology, my #1 hope for this new technology, and THE ONLY REASON I'm semi excited is because it may give us the opportunity to use phones from TMobile, which would be AMAZING! I don't know this for a fact but volte means everything will be done through LTE. Voice, text and data. So my hope is that any LTE enable phone would work since they are finally phasing out CDMA. Fingers crossed but I'm certainly not expecting this to happen. I'm sure big red will find some way to keep us locked down to there BS boot loader locked garbage. With Android Silver on hold, this gentlemen, is our last hope for phones like the nexus, unlocked G3 ect.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
So volte will consume data ? Meaning if I call and talk to someone , that will cost me data

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
They have not released a whole lot of info about that yet. I don't believe calls will count against data usage but it is a lot more stress on the network. Video calls might count, not sure yet.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
So what is the point of data voice calls? With Verizon , I have signal every where I go and the sound is fine. Nothing distorted

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I think the main purpose is to put everything on LTE in order to do away with CDMA which is extremely old tech. Phone calls won't count against data, they would lose tons of customers. Calls should be much clearer.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
[MENTION=4715377]93fuelslut[/MENTION] this is one of the articles I read about it. It's a little dated now, just wanted to show you where the info came from.

http://mobile.extremetech.com/mobil...-lte-phones-too?origref=http://www.google.com

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] craigviar:
I hope they do a better job than other voip systems. Even Google Voice has noticeable lag. It gets very frustrating.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] buhohitr:
OK, just want to clear up the new VoLTE (Verizon refered this to "Advanced calling" feature.

1)Voice call only works with 3G or 4G (no wifi) and it counts as regular minute normal voice calls.

2)Video calling - the video portion can be used over LTE or Wifi. If you have both on , wifi will be default and when wifi dropped it automatically switch back to LTE seemlessly. When video on LTE, it counts your data usage. if you have LTE and wifi both on while video calling, video will be using wifi and this is free but voice portion will be on LTE which counted as minutes. If Wifi is not available, so video calling will be LTE, then you will get bill for data (video) and voice all as minute. You can turn of this VoLTE feature in your phone under settings.

3) In order to enable this Advanced calling, it must be set through "upgrade feature" in Verizon portal website and both parties' phone must be VoLTE supported. Currently only S5, Iphone6, Iphone6s and LG G2 are supporting VoLTE and I almost certain the Note 4.

OK, now you be the judge to use it or not, do you see any advantage? I don't.

---------- Post added at 10:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:19 PM ----------

If you read my post above, using VoLTE for voice calling, you don't consume data, but they just deduct your minute just like regular phone call.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Thanks for the info. When Verizon talks about Advanced Calling Features all I hear is blah blah blah. Lol. Text and normal phones work fine for me. The ONLY reason this BS marketing ploy has my attention at all is the slim chance I we might be able to use tmobiles phones on Verizon.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] cnotes2019:
If anyone wants a udp line for a small fee PM me [emoji108][emoji108][emoji108]
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Off topic, yes. More importantly, its against XDA policy to sell anything using the forums.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
Hey speaking of vzw, since the FCC shut down vzw's plan to throttle down unlimited data users , I wonder if their gonna mess with our data signal and keeping bumping off 4g to 3g signal.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Don't know if that is possible. However, I'm trying to stay a little positive with them. There is lots of rumors about the nexus 6 coming our way. This would be amazing.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
To big for me. Lol

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] cnotes2019:
Any truth to this??

http://www.reddit.com/r/verizon/comments/2j9tes/the_loopholes_are_closed_folks_the_only_reliable/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I don't know. But reading the posts, a few people make very good points. For example, what if you buy a used phone, or yours is broken and you use a subsidised phone from a year ago? Plus, when I worked there, the only way a plan could change is with an authorized account holder signature. So it wouldn't make sense for them to bump you off a month later. I will be paying close attention in the coming days as I fully plan on buying either the nexus 6 or the droid turbo. Check back later.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
Iv read a little abt the droid turbo. I hope it gets ROMs.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I hope it gets unlocked too, but I'm not holding my breath. Lol, it would just be too good to be true for a Verizon exclusive. Fingers crossed cause it's gonna be a beast!

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
I agree it's a beast. But I can't stand stock esp moto blur and LG. The past moto droids development has been a disappointment for android enthusiast . excluding the moto x developers edition.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] pwned3:
Since the Nexus is coming to Verizon I'm almost certain that it will be my Christmas present to myself. So what currently works to upgrade without losing unlimited?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I'm working on verifying that this method still works. That article linked a few posts back is the only thing that I'm still unclear of.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
Thank you
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
So I tried to give my mom who is on my plan my upgrade, but when she uses it, it'll take away my unlimited. So stupid when she's upgraded her phone on her line that's on our plan.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
In verizons eyes.... It's not stupid. She's not using her upgrade... She's using yours. I agree with you and hate the policy... It's all just a money grab from an already uber profitable business. If I wasn't locked into unlimited I would have left vzw long ago.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
If you transfer your upgrade, it does not affect your plan. Only the plan that is upgraded.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
So transfer my upgrade to her line, let her use it, and I'll still keep my unlimited?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
That is correct. It only affects the line being upgraded. Keep in MInD, if she is upgrading from a basic phone, as of 8/24 she must keep the data plan for a full 2 years.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
No she has a iPhone 4. What if she does the upgrade, and a month later I put that new phone on my number?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Ad far as I know you should be fine. They can't change your plan without you signing for it. The only thing they have now prevented with their rule change is if you do that with a basic phone, it has to keep the data. I have been searching for conformation of this. So far, if you read the last few messages of this thread, someone gas verified it works.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2908852

How to keep unlimited data when buying phone?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] cnotes2019:
I was with verizon and had UDP but I gave it up to go with sprint. Sprint coverage has been good where I live and work etc but their customer service and in store reps are atrocious!! When I had verizon they were good coverage wise but their in store reps were pushy to say the least. My brother offered to give me one of his UDP lines with verizon but I don't believe I need UDP. I average maybe 4 gbs per month. Any thoughts? I don't want my brothers UDP line to go to waste also thanks everyone! I love this forum!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 93fuelslut:
What is udp

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] cnotes2019:
Udp is unlimited data plan.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Batttie:
Sell it on eBay
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
U can do an Assumption of Liability process and sell it for $100-$300.

If you have dsl at home you could consider switching to a hotspot and taking the plan yourself.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I don't think you can put a hotspot on an unlimited line. They typicly have their own data packages. You normally have the option for 10 gb or 25 gb for tiered plans. The option to switch it to uld is not in the verizon POS system. I know for a fact however, that selling the line in this instance won't work, unless his brother wants a stranger on his plan. You can't AOL one line in an account. You have do AOL the entire account.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jfriend33:
Actually you can aol one line. People do it all the time.

And the hot spot is easy. Just buy a mobile hot spot that takes the same sim. Pop it in and ur good to go. You will still be paying for whatever voice plan it just won't be used.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Yep, your right about AOL. My bad. As far as the hotspot goes, I was reffering to buying one on contract using the switch method. But again, your right, you can switch the sim f you have one of buy one at full price.:thumbup:

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ChaoticHavok:
I talked with two Verizon reps (chat and phone) and they say the same thing. They told me that the upgrade is a swap (no transfer of ownership of the upgrade) and not a trade (transfer of ownership). You are essentially letting one line borrow and use your upgrade while maintaining possession of the upgrade. I went to as far as coming up with scenarios.

SCENARIO 1: "Transfer" upgrade to other line (not unlimited) to buy phone and activate on that line. YOU LOSE THE UNLIMITED DATA.

SCENARIO 2: Use the upgrade on the same line as unlimited but activate on the other line (not unlimited). YOU LOSE THE UNLIMITED DATA.

In any case, you cannot transfer the upgrade, use it for yourself, or give the benefit to your family members without losing the unlimited data. Full price on the phones is the only way to go. I'll probably put $20/month in a savings account so I can get the latest greatest every two years.

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You can AOL one line in an account. I did it to leave my parents' family plan before they switched over to the More Everything plan.

Use the FoxFi app premium (works for me). You can circumvent the hotspot check. YMMV.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Corporate reps will tell you that. The infor nation is wrong. Transferring an upgrade has no affect on the line the upgrade came from. Google it. There are dozens of other threads from other sites that verify this.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] zilla.:
I can vouch for this. However, I used this method last year when the S4 first came out. I upgraded by taking my friend with me (we're on a family plan). His line does not have unlimited data while mine does. The first store I went to was a corporate store. The rep who I dealt with lied to me and said no matter what I do with my upgrade, I will lose unlimited data no matter what. So I left and went to a different store.

The second store I went to was NOT a corporate store. I found out that the "satellite" stores in my area that were not corporate owned were actually franchises. So the employee at the franchise told me CORPORATE is trying to push people off the unlimited plan. However, having franchises push people off of unlimited plans brings no incentive to the franchise so they didn't care. The rep let me give my upgrade to my friend, activated the phone, then I just said transfer the phone back to my line and reactivate my friend's phone. He did it with no questions asked.

I was actually trying to be sly in the second interaction with the franchise store. I didn't mention the fact that I wanted the upgraded phone transferred back to my unlimited plan. I just told him the first part. But the guy who was working with me knew exactly what I was doing and didn't care whatsoever.

Remember, this was last year when I replaced my Thunderbolt with the S4. So I'm not sure if this still works.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
That should still work. The got'cha is that when your friend does the upgrade, they will be forced into a 2 year smartphone data plan, which won't go away when you move the phone back to your line. You also won't be able to upgrade that line again for another 2 years. It used to be you'd have an advantage by doing this between a regular old phone line and a smartphone line with unlimited to pick up a cheap upgrade. Now, it's really no different than upgrading a limited smartphone line and then giving that phone to the unlimited user. I don't think there's any way to keep both lines subsidy upgraded every 2 years.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jamestech425:
Here is what I did

I have an old Alltel Unlimited Plan (Verizon bought out Alltel here in the South) My Daughter waned the iPhone 6 (I know it's not Android :eek: ).

I added a new line with a 2GB plan and then went home and logged into my Verizon account and I moved the phones around (did this when iPhone 6 came out).

So been awhile since I did this and my Samsung S4 and her iPhone 6 are Unlimited and my Mother's Moto phone has the 2GB plan :D (She doesn't use data, I'm sad I showed her how to text)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
I thought retaining unlimited on an AoL was no longer possible? Also, although it leaves a pending activation that drops off at the end of the month, I thought you could toss the sim card that arrived with the phone, swap your own in and be fine? At least that's what I and a host of others did in Nov to preserve unlimited across the account.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] moonglows:
Does this trick still work to upgrade and not lose unlimited data plan? Other than the caveat that a user that does this has to stay on the data plan for the whole contract period I want to make sure there are no other gotchas.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
As far as I know, this still works 100%.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] taz1458:
I did it in mid December with a tdp and its fine.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Lurking:
Another subsidy, another plan

Others have posted about transferring an upgrade to another person on another plan. It can be done, but Verizon corporate seems to frown heavily on the practice.

Here is the method I used to get the subsidized M9 on my unlimted plan: Nothing special...just WAIT A LONG TIME and use your wife's upgrade on her plan.

This, of course, requires a wife (or anyone willing to give up their own upgrade, have a new phone billed to their account and generally put up with the hassle of dealing with you).

The short version:

Use wife's upgrade to buy subsidized phone on her plan - activate new phone on her plan - reactivate her old phone on her plan (watch out for validation code!) - go to Verizon with new phone, get a SIM and activate new phone on your plan - keep unlimited data - buy wife a lovely present that she actually wants.

The full version:

I have a seperately billed plan than my wife. On my plan is unlimited data with one line. On her plan is the share everything plus another line for my son.

I kept my HTC Rezound for 3.5 years...waiting. Her data plan had an upgrade available last November but I waited another half year for the M9 to come out.

WITH HER PERMISSION AND BLESSING I bought the subsidized M9 on her line with her upgrade. I then went to the Verizon website, logged in to her account and activated it on her line. I made a test call with the M9, no problem, all is well.

I then had to re-activate the S3.

This required sending a validation code via text message. The only option to send the message to was son's phone on the same plan. The option to send the code to her number was grayed out since "changes had been recently made". I did not see any other way for receiving the validation code: no email, no other outside phones...just the lines on her plan excluding her own. I'm not sure if that is the case, but I couldn't find any other method. If not for my son's phone on the same plan...I guess I would have been calling customer support.

So, I went to the bathroom door and yelled for my son to hand me his phone so I could get the validation code. After he got out of the shower and gave me his phone, I got the code and plugged in the number on the Verizon website.

Once I got the validation code put in, her S3 was re-activated. I made a test call on her S3 to make sure, and all was working. She is happy.

I removed the factory SIM from the M9 and put the SIM in the box, hopefully never to be used again. It is activated on her line and won't be useful unless I eventually give her the M9.

I then took the M9 to Verizon and asked for a new SIM. They put in a SIM and activated it on my account. For some reason I still had Verizon Roadside Assistance and the activation process wanted to remove it. The rep asked if I wanted to keep it and I said "No, as long as making that change doesn't affect my unlimited data plan." He removed it, M9 was activated on my unlimited plan and I kept unlimited data.

So, if you have a significant other, friend, relative who has no need of their upgrade and can handle the hassle, there is a way.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
That's a lot of work when all you had to do was move the SIM from your old phone to the new one. There's no need to "activate" the phone first. If the new phone has a smaller SIM, you can cut the old one to size (there are even tools to do that), or just go get a new one from Verizon.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Lurking:
Hey Mike, thanks for your kind reply.

As it turns out, the 'work' you refer to was simply driving in to Verizon and letting them give me a free SIM. It took less than 10 minutes. I had already cut my Rezound SIM down to fit a loaner S3 since my Rezound had died a horrible, agonizing death.

Also, the newer SIMS place a little bit more information on the card itself and I wanted to take advantage of that.

And, lastly, when you subsidize a phone you have 20 days to activate it on the line it was purchased for. If that isn't done you are charged full price for the phone. That would defeat the purpose, I think.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mswilson2007:
So, since this was the first place I read about this, I decided to come back here for my question. I have 2 phones on the plan, one is a galaxy s4 and the other is an old dumb phone. Currently, the line that has an upgrade is my galaxy s4. Now I'm wondering if I transfer that upgrade to my dumb phone line, and upgrade that, will it affect my udp?

I did some research but people are saying different things...Some are saying that even if you transfer the upgrade, it's still technically upgrading the plan that it originated from, which in my situation is the UDP. Others are saying it won't affect the udp at all. Can I get any insight on this guys?? My phone is essentially my only source of Internet so I have to be really careful with this.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
Since when? Granted, it was about a year ago, but I upgraded 2 phones without ever bringing them up on the line which was "upgraded."