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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
The corporate stores will do that. Its their job to push you off unlimited. That's what all this new"Edge" crap is about. Use a retailer. Also, your son plan is correct. Unlimited data has not been available for almost 2 years.

The only reason I get frustrated with yours and other people's posts is simple. It took me a long time to write the original post and its a little annoying when people post questions that were already answered, say the method won't work when there have been tons of other people verifying it does, or otherwise clogging the thread with irelavant non sense. It is supposed to be for questions or other proven methods. I don't know, I guess I feel like some people just post without reading the thread. It's not a chat room. No offense to you directly.:beer:

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] broderp:
Point taken. I meant no disrespect either. Try reading the 38 page thread on rooting the S4 from versizon with the ME7 update......I read all 37 pages! A TON of repeat questions. True if most people (myself included) would read the first page , assuming it has been kept updated and on toptic, then a lot of repeat questions can be eliminated. Thats not usually the case however, from the thread starter or those reading. I also haven't been rereading the first post from you. I just try to keep up with the new ones. That may be part of the issue. Maybe if the original post is updated, a quick post at the end to just say the original post has been updated to include xxxx info? I dunno. But I feel the same way as you on some repeat questions and I also and the person who may ask a repeat question that has been already discussed from time to time. Sorry? :rolleyes:

Glad to hear my sons plan is not a Verizon trick. I only hope in two years or so I can do this again, but I'm willing to bet if enough people do this, the loop hole will be closed. :(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
It's all good. Eventually they will no doubt find some lame a$$ way to force people off Ulm. Data. I dread the day. Fortunately for all of us there are plenty of naive people out there who take it for granite and switch their plans, every day to tiered data. My hope is there will be so few of us left they won't care.:D

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jeren17:
Thanks for looking out...but I didn't take his post as nasty. Honestly, it was my mistake. As soon as I read the first sentence of the 2nd step in the original post I figured this method didn't apply for me and I gave up on on it. I've been lurking around these forums for years now, and I have a TON of appreciation for all the people who make posts like this.

Bottom line is, the days of unlimited on Verizon on numbered...I'm glad there's a band of us who are still finding creative (the OP's solution) and non creative (my solution) ways of getting around data caps.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] usefulidiot127:
I walked into a store last night and explained to them exactly what I wanted to do and they took care of it in 15 minutes. Walked out with my S4 at upgrade pricing and kept unlimited. Thanks for the concise guide.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jzmax22:
I have a question. I transferred my upgrade to my wife's line, she's on a 2gb plan. I kept my unlimited. I did this online. Three phone will be here tomorrow. How do I go about getting the phone on to my line? My Sim in my current t phone will work in the s4. Is there anything special I need to do? I live far from a Verizon store.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Put your sim in what ever phone you want to use, done.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jzmax22:
That's it? I don't need to put it on her line first? Then deactivate it. And activate her other phone back before hand?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
If you already paid for them that means the upgrade is already done. So switching SIM card should be fine. You could call Verizon and just ask them to switch the ESN over to your line as a device on the change but you don't really have to. The only reason you do an alternate upgrade is because when the actual up. Goes through that is when you're in danger of losing the data. But if they already shipped them and you already paid for them that means the upgrade is done and as long as you still have unlimited data it will stay that way

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] michaelkthx:
I was able to not only upgrade on another line and keep unlimited on my main line...

but I was also able to TRANSFER my upgrade to my other line from my unlimited line

Then I was able to keep my 4gb for 30 a month promotion on the other line at the same time!

Next year, I will be able to do this all over again, that time, I will upgrade my metered line - hopefully they don't force the 4gb/30 plan off by then to a 2gb/30 one.

I bet these loopholes are there for retailers to be able to negotiate with their customers and be like "yes you can keep unlimited if you act now" etc.

So easy to game this.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] usefulidiot127:
I have a rather complicated follow up question.

I followed this guide exactly and simply explained to Verizon what I was trying to do and they took care of it for me, no problem. (Thanks again for making the guide). However, because I'm hopelessly indecisive, I've now decided I'd rather have the G2. I am within my 14 day return window.

This request completely baffled the Verizon store and I don't entirely blame them, it is a weird circumstance. They were super paranoid about doing anything because they didn't want to accidentally eliminate my unlimited plan (which I also greatly appreciate). They tried to do a device exchange but the alternate phone line (the one the S4 was initially activated on, without the unlimited plan) popped up on his screen since that's the one it was purchased for originally, technically. It wouldn't let him process the device exchange without selecting a data plan for that basic phone line.

I told him I thought that would be ok, that we could just process the exchange and add the data plan to the basic line, activating the G2 on the basic line, then switch that back over to my line and remove the data plan. We called the manager over and he did not recommend doing this because he was 100% certain that I would lose my unlimited plan in the process. I honestly don't know any better and didn't want to risk it. He said my best bet would be to fully return the S4, wait a day and let the upgrade pop back up on that basic account. Then I come back in the store and buy the G2 fresh another day.

Does anyone who knows more than I do have any thoughts on how this can/should work?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] broderp:
^^ I would just keep the phone you got. You did what probably 95% or better of the general VZ population doesn't even know about and Verizon claims a lot of the time can't be done (we know better don't we?). If you go into uncharted territory, then you very well could be into a siduation that is beyond what the "loop hole" we're exploiting is set up to handle. Then once done you will almost certainly NOT be able to undo it and go back if it doesn't work. This is why I waited about 3-4 months after my contract was up and I was eleigible for an upgrade on all my lines before deciding what phone and plan I really wanted.

This is just my opinion, and I don't know what having the G2 is worth to you. Plan for the worst case scenario. Will you be happy with the G2 and the new plan with 2GB Data??

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Don't know if this is news or not, but I was shopping at the VZ store last night, and I was told by the Manager that they now have a 6GB Data Plan for those of us who have unlimited data thats also $30 a month. As nice as that sounds (When compared to the 2GB rate at the same price) it's not the same as UNLIMITED! :silly: But can be an alternate for those who lose the ability to keep thier unlimted data etc....

He let me know about it when I told him I was eleigible for an ungrade, and a conversation about how I have a new S4 with unlimited data was started. The fact of the matter is (at least at this location) ALL the accosiates are aware of this loophole for keeping unlimited data. They are not allowed to tell customers about the method to keep unlimited. They are being told my corporate to push people into the new shared plans.

I also told him I got the S4 for $139, he said they can't match the price of Target or even Walmart. They are the CORPORATE store, why the hell can't they even compete with the store's right next to them at the mall??:confused: (his words, not mine) He said this frustrates him daily. They loose tons of busness due to the price of thier phones. Now add the ability of the competition to really make customers happy with the unlimited data thing.. I almost felt bad for him, he was very helpful in the past and honest about the equipment and plans, but DID hide the upgrade thing until I called them out on it. He was then able to speak about it. We chatted for about 20 minutes.

For those why are still getting the run-around from VZ, this is probably why. Just thought I would share this experience.

BTW, the reason I was shopping there was to find a USB charging cord. $20. For. Just. The. CORD. :eek:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] usefulidiot127:
You might absolutely be right that I should just be happy I got the S4 and call it a day.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] broderp:
I'm not a smart phone expert, but the S4 is a very highly rated phone. I had a bad experience with Samgung years ago and swore I'd never buy a Samsung phone ever again ~ but the reviews of this phone and my hands on play time at the stores won me over. I couldn't be happier with it. It's an awesome phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
No idea. Sounds like you got it worked out. My advice is keep the s4 but if not, good luck cause I'm not sure of any better option.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
You are correct. They will try to hide it. But this is one case were knowledge really is power. That new 6gb plan is specifficly ment to entice people off the unlimited plans. I read about it somewhere on the net. Unlimited is a beautiful thing! Hold it as long as possible! Today I accidentally downloaded the 9.1 hyperdrive ROM 2 times. 1.7 GB each, guess how much I care about wasting 1.7 GB worth of data? NOT AT ALL!! AHAHAHAHA!!!!

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bairste:
I am a retailer. We do not get charged back doing this and I have used this as a selling strtaegy as well as adding a line. You have to me cautious that if one does this on wirefly or other web sites like it they can charge you for the whole retail of the device. It is in the small print and I have personally seen it happen on a customers account.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] usefulidiot127:
To answer my own earlier question, I went back into Verizon today and exchanged the S4 for the G2 no problem, still have unlimited.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] iLuvMudkips:
Of course...

Too bad I never noticed this thread before I upgraded my phone and lost my unlimited. :/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] thanhdang:
I've upgraded my existing line without losing my unlimited data plan. I think this is a system glitch and i still can keep my unlimited data plan.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] iLuvMudkips:
I haven't had such luck. :/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dirtyfingers:
You obviously must work at this kiosk. Lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 20Grand:
No, just want to pass on information to anyone else that still has unlimited data looking to upgrade.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] blahb:
So brother in law has unlimited 3g with an iPhone 4s. Any chance this will work upgrading to LTE unlimited?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] broderp:
If you mean from 3G to 4GLTE, then yes it should as long as it's done right. I don't think the phone matters s much as the line. I upgraded from the original Samsung Galaxy S Fascinate (3G) to the Galaxy S4 (4GLTE) and kept unlimited.

So 3G to 4G is definately possible.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mswilson2007:
Would this work doing it on your own, like online? I mean couldn't I transfer upgrades to my second line which is a flip phone of some sort, upgrade that phone to a something different, pay for it. Get it and just activate it on my current line?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bad Bimr:
I was on the phone with Verizon about a month ago checking an IMEI for a Galaxy S$ I bought on craigslist (only $250 :) ). The rep (Chemel) asked why I don't upgrade to get the phone subsidized. I told her I was on unlimited and refuse to loose it. She said there is a "loop-hole" that you can keep the unlimited plan. Basically you upgrade and within 14-days you can revert back to your old plan and keep the phone. Sounded fishy and I told her I will look into it and she can call me back at a later time. I've asked around and talked to people and everyone says it is not possible. Yesterday she calls me. Again she said it is possible to do it. She said the "loop-hole" has something to do with the 14-day "No-Hassle" return/guarantee. I told her thanks but I am OK for the next few years. She said anyone at 611 can do it.

Anyone ever heard about this? She sounded like she was for real and not trying to scam me out of my unlimited. Wonder if this is a new tactic Verizon is taking to get us to loose our unlimited.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Yes this will work. I just went from a 3g to a 4g using this method last week for my sister.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Yes, just make sure you do it right. But online should work the same.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Sounds like she is clueless to me. When I worked for them a customer I had upgraded with another rep and lost her unlimited. She returned the phone and had to fight with customer service to put unlimited back on. It took her 3 hours to talk them into putting it back on. She didn't get to keep the phone and the Verizon service rep said 99.9 % of the time when its gone its gone. The only reason they made an exception is because the other rep lied to her. Long story short, DO BELIEVE HER. to the best of my knowledge this is the only method that works to get a subsidized phone and keep the data.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Cares:
Has anyone done an alternate upgrade lately? I called a costco and they said this loophole was stopped.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] zipkicker:
figured i'd look into this since i have a flip phone line available...

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Mike: just a quick question, if i upgraded the 7728 number on my account to a lets just say GS4, can i transfer that phone to the 3287 number without losing the unlimited date on that line, and putting the flip phone back on the 7728 number and revert it back to a standard line?

Jasmine: So you are transferring upgrades from the line ending in 7728 to the line ending in 3287?

Mike: if thats possible without losing the unlimited date. If not, i would like to upgrade the 7728 line FIRST, activate the GS4 on that line, then switch the GS4 to the 3827 line and revert the 7728 number to a standard line.

Jasmine: Which line has the unlimited data?

Mike: 3827

Jasmine: Thank you for your patience. I just wanted to let you know I am researching that information for you.

Mike: its ok, i just dont want to mess up my unlimited data, without paying 30/month extra

Jasmine: I completely understand your concerns! The line with unlimited data will keep their unlimited data and the line that is being upgrade will lose their unlimited data.

Jasmine: So the line ending in 3827 will keep their unlimited data.

Mike: so the 7728 number, its on a flipphone right now, if i use that line to get the GS4, i dont HAVE to sign up for a data plan, right? i can leave it at the 9.99/month price?

Mike: or would i have to sign up for the data plan, then revert it back to the basic 9.99 plan?

Jasmine: When you are placing your order you will have to select a data plan but you can remove it when you activate the new phone on the other line.

Mike: ok, thats great news, thanks for all your help :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Really? Come on? Post #150. Not 7 hours ago.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Yes, EXACTLY what the OP said......

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Cares:
Really come on? Need to be a ****? The rep said it was closed at the end of last month. Your post said you did it last week which was last month.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] prenedo:
They don't make you switch plans unless you activate the device on the line it was upgraded from. We have 2 smart phones, both unlimited... When my wife's is up for an upgrade, I order a phone and tell them I will be activating it on another line. When phone comes in, I activate it on my number as an 'outside' device. Downside is you don't get warranty through VZW. Same idea, but no need for a dummy line this way.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] taz1458:
Just want to clarify this before I try it this weekend. I'm planning on going to Walmart to do this. I have 3 unlimited lines and 1 dumbphone line. Call Verizon transfer upgrade to dumb line. Go to Walmart, use upgrade on the dumb phone line. Activate it on that line. Take sim card out, activate dumb phone back on original line, then a activate new phone on whatever line. That all I need to do?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Is your current phone 4g?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Muraki:
Was in the market to get another galaxy s4, but I wanted to root and have the boot loader unlocked. I have found that many radio shack retailers still have the VRUAMDK builds in stock. And having a dummy phone does work with this retailer.

Just wanted to inform others if they are looking for the easily rooted galaxy s4 build.

Good luck all!

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] taz1458:
Ya, I got a galaxy Nexus. That's the line I'll be putting it on after I activate it on the dummy line.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Yep, you got it. After you put the dummy phone back on the basic line, take the sim out of the nexus and put it in the new phone and you should be good to go. You can have the rep do a device only change and put the new ESN from the new phone on your line but it's not necessary. Pretty sure the system will update itself.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] co1451:
so let me get this straight, i have an unlimited line, i can go get a cheap flip phone get it activated( i know ill get hit with the $30 activation and the $9.99 monthly), upgrade the dummy line, then switch the sim cards to the phones(the unlimited line is a galaxy nexus)?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
That is correct.

Do you own a basic phone? If not can you get one?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mo33ktm380:
Hoping to put this bit of advice into action this week. Has anyone done this at other retailers besides the "verizon store" should work the same right?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] alexp1289:
I have an original droid could I activate that as my dummy line? Or does it need to be able to use a sim card? I don't think the old droids have one.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dino325:
I was told by the tyrannical store reps that of I upgraded my dummy line to a note 3 and swapped that phone to my current line, my unlimited data plan would be switched to a tiered plan automatically in the system... Just to get this straight, this is just scare tactics, right?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Muraki:
Less then 2 weeks ago I upgraded my basic phone to a Galaxy s4 at a radioshack retailer. The dummy line became a galaxy s4 with 2gb of data for an extra $30 a month. I then walked out of the store, called verizon and had the basic phone put back on. I then walked into a verizon store and had the galaxy s4 placed onto my unlimited data line. I currently still have unlimited data.

Hope this was useful! Verizon reps are required to push the new tiered plans.

I used a Samsung Intensity which never had data. : )
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Yeah, that's BS. Only the line that is upgraded loses unlimited. Does not matter where the upgrade comes from.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
You can use original Droid as the dummy line, the sim makes no difference. The problem is going to cost you $40 a month extra . $10 for the line and $30 for the required data package. That's why I say to use a basic phone so it's only $10 extra month.

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[HTC Droid DNA] skeet43169:
I keep getting this and have no idea why it only goes away when I reboot any ideas why
[HTC Droid DNA] skeet43169:
What does this mean just popped up after a day and a half and clicking ok does nothing
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] melemel:
I have the HTC One X (At&t) and my phone has been rooted and unlocked. I'm running Viper XL 3.2.8 with the 3.17 radio, H-boot 1.14 and S-ON. I have heard about the Elemental X radio and also the 2.2 radio (via the Venom Hub on my phone). I'm not sure if they are the same or if they are different developers. I have heard from other forums that upgrading the radio will increase my signal strength and battery life. My question is, is this true and can anyone recommend any of these to me or if there are better ones? I will be updating my phone from S-ON to S-OFF soon.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] exad:
You're confusing Kernel's and Radios. You're on the latest radio. There is no upgrade. I don't suggest flashing kernels if you don't know what they are and what they do.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] melemel:
Sorry for the bad question, I should have said that I want to upgrade to Elemental X and 2.2 radio, I know the Elemental X is a kernel and the radio is the frequency (signal) of the phone. So even though the Venom Hub has a 2.2 radio, it is not compatible with my phone? Is the Elemental X compatible with my phone, with the ViperXL 3.2.8?