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[Fairphone 1] Unrelashade:
The correct terms for what you see in your preferences are running services and cached processes (when you click on "show cached processes"). Processes can only do something when they are foreground processes, meaning only when you can see them on your display(*). Services however can do something and hence use up battery life and data, e.g. Therefore it does not make sense to terminate these cached processes, because it can't hurt to leave them "running" (which is kind of misleading because they actually don't run anything).

Examples for services are the services of the apps/ apps like settings, clock/ alarm, music players, keyboards, instant messengers, Google Play services and Google services.

(*) The only exception is when you turn your screen off while "you're still in an app". Then it might still run it's service, but it wouldn't be shown if you switched to the app manager in settings because then the process wouldn't be a foreground process anymore. I'm not that sure of this exception though.

Note that apps can start themselves or services through autostart and other events. If you want to know more and/ or stop these apps from doing that, install the app Autostarts (free on f-droid www.f-droid.org).

We can't know whether it will be enough or not. My guess is that with 1 GB you will last pretty long. Also it's not that important to update Android anymore as it has gotten pretty good as it is now (and since alternatives are on their way). And it's too late to change the amount of GB in Fairphone probably.

I think I understand your point though. But Android handles app termating pretty much the only way it makes sense. If your memory gets that low, it will kill everything that is not critical. So your important app that you want not to be killed will not be killed, unless it must be killed. Because there'd be so few memory that otherwise what you'd want to do wouldn't be possible because of insufficient free memory. Thus your scenario as I understand it will not happen. (Or would you like to get a warning whether you really want to start this app because it would terminate another app? And then choose which app should be terminated or whether you'd like to not open that app at that moment?) (Also you may be wondering which critically important app should be killed and want to affect that choice -- however running Android without sufficient memory for all critical apps doesn't really make sense since they are critical, like keyboard or launcher.)

It may still make sense to edit the app-kill-priority list (or add one altogether), to be able to keep your most used apps longer in memory than other apps that you don't use as much. But my guess is that this is too much work and too little motivating. I'd like to see someone working on it and would definitely follow their progress... ;)

I hope this is not too much/ too far offtopic.

Edit:

This has come up already on page 6, here is my reply to asmaron asking something similar: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=46446001&postcount=60

However an official answer to your question has not been posted yet.
[Fairphone 1] KimHansenDenmark:
Hi ivifly,

This is definitely something that would be very interesting for the next version of the FairPhone OS.

Thanks for the suggestion!
[Fairphone 1] asmaron:
Hey there,

@ Kim: Thanks for your research & answers about the SAR.

I've another question: There are many users who are missing the feature of old mobile phones, that the alarm clock works even when your device is powered off. It is often discussed, that people don't want to sleep near a running device (even if its in airplane mode) to save a) energy b) battery health c) your own health. It's also often mentioned, that it is not clear why this feature is not there anymore - except that the new "smartphone-generations" are made for being online 24h/365d. But many people do not want that. Your "Peace-Time" App is a step in the right direction. Is it impossible to bring this feature on the fairphone? Isn't it possible to write a software solution for that? Some people argue that it is not possible, because when you power off modern smartphone, than the device is really off. Older mobile phones weren't really off - there was still some power that was reserved for memory and clock. But i think - it's the same in modern smartphones. Because when you power off your smartphone and turn it on again after some time, the clock shows the right time, your settings are right and so on. So the clock of the smartphone must be running even in the shut-down time and there must be some power to realize that, or am I wrong in this point?

So if it's so, it must be possible to write a software solution for running the alarm clock even when the smartphone is turned off. Can you realize that for the fairphone? I really think it must be possible, because modern PC's are also able to power on/off by themself in case of doing a backup or system maintaince or sth like that... that must be possible for modern smartphones either! I think a project like fairphone - that has always showed a priority for a responsible acquaintance with the environment - should realize such things, that makes it possible to save energy! :)

Regards,

Asmaron
[Fairphone 1] Deedend:
I agree!!!
[Fairphone 1] KimHansenDenmark:
I very much agree with this and I can happily say that this works on the FairPhone. The phone will sound the alarm and boot the phone if it is off and an alarm is activated.

Actually the FairPhone has another extra feature, which is a bit geeky. It has built in Schedule power on & off in the Settings, so you can define the times you want your phone to turn on and off automatically.
[Fairphone 1] benkxda:
Ha, quite geeky, right. So I like it, pretty nice idea :)
[Fairphone 1] asmaron:
Very nice indeed! :) :)

Thanks a lot for your fast replying!
[Fairphone 1] joemier:
Fairphone SAR Rating

Hi All,

I want to put a little disclaimer to the SAR indication from Kim - it's just a DRAFT report. These numbers can be a bit vague without some context, so once we get the final numbers, we'll talk about it on our website and blog. Hopefully in the coming weeks.

Pleasant weekend!

Joe
[Fairphone 1] ivifly:
Hi Everybody

How about a build in sip client for Wlan AND 3G?

Would be great to have the option for latencny change!

For exemple Zoiper has this.

Thank you for answering!

Lg ivi
[Fairphone 1] benkxda:
Ok guys, lately it was a bit quiet. Now there is a new updating blog post at Fairphone.

Btw, KitKat (Android 4.4) is available for all enthusiasts and early adopters. Google supports devices for 18 months, so old devices like the Galaxy Nexus and older are now unsupported devices. I hope that Fairphone keeps up support twice as long or even more.
[Fairphone 1] benkxda:
Congratulations, Fairphone! You received 25.000 orders. You're sold out. :good:

No, just kidding. They keep on going with their Fairphone. Actually there is a counter underneath the Fairphone Story, showing up how many Fairphones are over the first batchs limit.

By the way, check out the Fairphone blog for get the latest news. :laugh:
[Fairphone 1] asmaron:
Yeah! This are really good news for the whole project! Looking forward to see some celebration-news on the fairphone blog! ;)

Btw: This is what they say on the fairphone page about the second batch: *click me*

Regards,

Asmaron

EDIT: Well... what did I say? ...

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[Fairphone 1] bwildenhain:
FairPhone OS

Hello Kim,

can you tell us when the RC is now expected to be given to the public?

Regarding the Fairphone itself: Will USB-OTG be supported?

Regards,

Benedikt
[Fairphone 1] KimHansenDenmark:
Hi Benedikt,

Thanks for asking :D

We expect to share the code within the next two weeks, hopefully next week!

We are very happy to see the community backing up on the FairPhone so well, so thank you very much!
[Fairphone 1] the.lirius:
thanks for your answer but about the usb-otg feature? ;)

Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus utilizzando Tapatalk
[Fairphone 1] KimHansenDenmark:
Hi Benedict,

The phone comes rooted, but I have to check if the drivers are there to know if it has usb-otg support.

I will get back to you on this.

Best,

Kim

---------- Post added at 05:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:10 PM ----------

Hi guys,

I am happy to announce that the source code for the FairPhone OS has been uploaded to GitHub!

Check it out here: https://github.com/kimhansen/FairPhone

The source code includes two projects:

FairPhoneHome

FairPhonePeaceOfMind

The FairPhoneHome includes the source code for the home launcher, the app switcher, the mood screen and lock screen changes.

The FairPhonePeaceOfMind includes the source code for the Peace of Mind widget and application.

Enjoy,

Kim
[Fairphone 1] haiag:
Does the fairphone work with 64 GB Microsd cards?
[Fairphone 1] Unrelashade:
This has already been cleared up AFAIR:
[Fairphone 1] haiag:
I'm sorry. I wasn't sure, but withe the Threadinternal search I did not find any post about it.

Thanks for replying.
[Fairphone 1] benkxda:
Bad news, the FairPhone will arrive at its customers after xmas. So, again, the assumed delivery date cannot be kept. :crying: Also it's hard to resist other offers like the Moto G. But the Fairphone has other customers with other priorities. So wait! Just a little bit longer. It's worth waiting :D

But hey, this is the first product from Fairphone - keep cool. :cool: If they bring us their next product, its delivery will be dated more precisely. I think about a FairPad or Fairtab with 8"? We'll see and keep on hoping for further fair products.
[Fairphone 1] Deedend:
Yes, it's a shame that it not arrive before christmas, but was prevedible... Today I have ordered the Blue case and the SIM adaptor for my Fairphone!
[Fairphone 1] bwildenhain:
Firefox OS

Hello Kim,

thanks for the Apps, but for porting an alternative OS to the Fairphone some other software would be more useful: A linux kernel for the fairphone (including all necessary modules and patches if necessary), a bootloader and some kind of tool to flash the phone with a new OS. Will those also be provided?

Regards,

Benedikt
[Fairphone 1] ElBarto1984:
Hey guys! Sorry for the noob question. I ordered 2 fp, one for me and one for my sister who is going to live in Indonesia the next couple of month. So now the question arises whether the phone will work with Indonesia with a local sim and a German one?

Hope you can help me on this :) and thanks in advance!
[Fairphone 1] benkxda:
[MENTION=5465780]KimHansenDenmark[/MENTION] and [MENTION=5382171]joemier[/MENTION], if you have some spare time, please provide answers to [MENTION=5547476]bwildenhain[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4153805]ElBarto1984[/MENTION]. Thank you.
[Fairphone 1] Deedend:
Great article of Replicant about Fairphone!
[Fairphone 1] KimHansenDenmark:
Hi Benedikt,

Unfortunately it is not possible to share the bootloader and linux kernel as they are from MediaTek. We are dependent on them releasing them or changing their license.

I hope they change their licensing policy in the near future.

Best,

Kim

---------- Post added at 03:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:29 PM ----------

Hi ElBarto1984,

The dual sim cards should work independently of the country.

Best,

Kim
[Fairphone 1] haiag:
Hi Kim,

How will it then be possible to run Cyanogenmod or Firefox OS, when the developers do not get the needed driver code?

Second Question:

Will there directly be an updat to Android 4.4 in January, after it's more then 4 weeks after the official update?

Kind regards

Haiag
[Fairphone 1] Unrelashade:
My question is, will you work with the community on the update, e.g. send out alphas for users and developers to test and help with development? I always had the dream that some company would do that haha. At least some have employees who participate in the forums here :)
[Fairphone 1] KimHansenDenmark:
Hi Unrelashade,

We will work directly on the GitHub repository from now on, so anyone can follow the progress and get the latest code. We welcome contributions from the community.

In regards to the KitKat version, our plan is to get it out as fast as possible, hopefully in January. However, this is not a promise as there are several dependencies that we have to deal with.

Best,

Kim
[Fairphone 1] bwildenhain:
Source code

Hi,

meaningwhile I searched a little bit the net and found that the sourcecode for Android 4.2 on mt6589 has already been published: www DOT etdroid.org/shanzhai/2013/04/16/acer-releases-mt6589-kernel-source-ahead-of-liquid-e2-launch/

Also the source of Android 4.1.2 has been published for several phones: www DOT hacktohell.org/2013/07/mediatek-mt6589-complete-source.html

So at least some customers of Mediatek received the sourcecode and published the code. Because the fact, that the GNU GPL is the licence of Linux and U-Boot (the bootloader probably used by the fairphone), Mediatek cannot disallow you to redistribute the source code (while you should include a written offer to give the source with the Fairphone ;), see gpl-violations.org/faq/vendor-faq.html).

Regards,

Benedikt

---------- Post added at 08:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:47 PM ----------

Hi,

I just saw the Fairphone repository on github now includes the over-the-air-update-tool, which looks for a new system image at kwamecorp.com/dev/latest.zip, which currently points to kwamecorp.com/dev/W20_HL_OTA20131114.zip, so if you want to take a look an the image, it's there :)

Regards,

Benedikt
[Fairphone 1] bastei:
This is actually really disillusioning. In nearly every tech news the Fairphone was presented as smartphone with open bootloader. Fairphone itself was unfortunately really close-minded concerning these points. They never explained what "rootable" really means.

The FAQ on fairphone.com states that the users "can decide for themselves which operating system they want to install after some hard coding."

I'm not (yet) an expert in these things. But am I right that the Fairphone will not fulfill this statement? Or can you explain what is meant by "some hard coding" and "rootable"?

After reading some critical comments here and here I'm really unsure. I ordered a Fairphone believing it would be indeed possible to decide for myself and not being dependent on the releases of FairphoneOS. If I was wrong in this point – and at the moment it looks that way – I will cancel my order.
[Fairphone 1] the.lirius:
i totally agree with #bastei

we trusted and financed your company and project but turns out that you were not trustable....

hope you will find quickily a solution for this because it is a major issue.

i will try to delete my order too

isn't this misleading advertising?!

Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus utilizzando Tapatalk
[Fairphone 1] benkxda:
Hey guys,

I also read the FAQs and found this sentence: "We are launching the phone with root access for the user (rootable), so they can decide for themselves which operating system they want to install after some hard coding."

After reading this, I would think about a switch in the security settings. And if I click that switch, let's call it "root access", than I have root access to the device. If it's not like this or smiliar to this, I see a big problem. And of course, if there is no open source, it will be hard to get a great community working on Firefox OS, Ubuntu Touch or anything else.

In short and harsh: No source, no developers.

But I still believe, that Fariphone and Kwame really try to do their best to not only get a almost fair device, but also an open devices as good as possible. We can reject Fairphone or we try to help those guys. I think, the second way is the better one. Fairphone is not Samsung, so no anti-customer-rules like region lock, e-fuse or other bull**** included. This is a company, which can become a good manufacturer for phones, tablets and other wearables.

Thanks to [MENTION=5547476]bwildenhain[/MENTION], [MENTION=842726]bastei[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4793753]the.lirius[/MENTION] for your comments. I hope I can see more of those critical comments because they can be helpful. And I hope, Fairphone and Kwame will do their best to keep customers happy and developers motivated. It's up to them.
[Fairphone 1] mudar1771:
Peace of Mind+

Hi,

I have forked and published Fairphone's Peace of Mind app. Attached is the APK, and more information over here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2573945

While working on the code, I have the impression that Kwamecorp didn't quite publish their final version, or they simply didn't have enough time to do some code cleanup ;) The app looks nice though!
[Fairphone 1] bwildenhain:
Fairphone and OSS

Hi benkxda,

I still believe that Fairphone wants to do the best for its customers. However, their FAQ gave a promise regarding OSS development was quite promising and that in spite of selecting a Hardware Design based on mt6589, while Mediatek is not known to always comply with the GPL. One could conclude that they already had an agreement on this issue when they made their FAQ-entry on OSS, but they don't seem to have resolved it until now.

I am going to get the phone in some days. I am still considering to try to get some OSS boot-loader and a Linux kernel with known source running on it. I first thought about selling the Fairphone to someone else, but without having access to the source code that's quite risky, because I would have to offer the source code to the buyer, which I couldn't and so would break the license contract, which technically would disallow me to use Linux any more (as I am usually using Linux and also gave away Linux Distributions to some dozens of people and would like to continue so)

Regards,

Benedikt

P.S.: The correct address to a similar phone's source is jetdroid.org/shanzhai/2013/04/16/acer-releases-mt6589-kernel-source-ahead-of-liquid-e2-launch/ (I accidentally deleted the "j" last time I posted the link).
[Fairphone 1] benkxda:
A good start. Thank you for sharing your fork with us. I wrote you some thoughts about it in your development thread. Maybe you find some time and go ahead with the development. Very useful for my business phone, maybe you can make me get 10 hours of peace... ;)

EDIT: Maybe you'll let your app be tested in the proper thread: [INDEX] App Tester - Developers, here are your app testers!

Ok, I see you take it very serious with the licensing - but that's just how it should be. And honestly, I never thought about that big issues on privately selling this phone. However, I remember the time as Qualcomm was dumb for a few days and denied access to the source code of the Nexus 7 (2103) device. Finally it was a too big pressure on them and they woke up. I hope, Fairphone can gain enough pressure to get the needed sources from Mediathek.

Thanks for the URL correction, here's the link for others: Acer releases MT6589 kernel source ahead of Liquid E2 launch
[Fairphone 1] asmaron:
I totally agree with that. There is no apologize for FP if they do not stand to their promise, that we will have an opportunity to flash other systems or ROMs. It was for me, like many other folks, on of my absolute priorities to buy and support a new company, that build a fairer AND open device!

I want to have a official statement of Joe or Kim at this point. We're waiting too long for this now! :/

I mean: We spend really much money months ago, for a product that was promised to be "open" and fairer. Were waiting till december now (didn't know that december is in "autumn") and now you are coming up with this ****, that you will not publish the source code for the boot loader etc.

That is not acceptable! :(

Regards,

Asmaron
[Fairphone 1] DozerD:
+1

The silence from Fairphone that falls upon us now is deafening. It's quite a shame. Not what crisis PR 101 prescribes. Noncommunication is not in that book.

It looks as if the well-meaning startup entrepreneurs of FP are finding themselves in a pile of **** (called Mediatek? called corporate contract fine print? called we-don't-know-what-to-do-but-keep-on-shipping-and-moving-everything-out) so high it won't allow them to speak. That's bad. And sad.

Only one answer to all these questions and speculations will be right enough.

As a Dutch saying goes, trust may arrive on foot, it will leave on horseback.

Someone should be sending Kim a PM. Let's hope his phone is not off.
[Fairphone 1] kfouzder:
:confused:

:(
[Fairphone 1] the.lirius:
i've asked for a refund ad obteined it in 3 woking days with no problems.

just saying :rolleyes:
[Fairphone 1] matt.s:
+1 on that!

I commented on Fairphone's facebook post (the one where they release the "sources") expressing just these concerns. I haven't got an answer so far, let's hope it's due to christmas holidays. But i'm starting to get the impression that they're just not willing to answer uncomfortable questions and prefer 5% of the phones given back due to angry customers. It's probably still the fairest phone out there, but I'll feel betrayed if they won't release the complete bootloader, drivers and whatever the devs need to work (btw, my biggest thanks to all of them!).

That being said, my fairphone is due to get here in a couple of days. Even though I have no idea of coding for android, I've got a technical background and I'll be happy to alpha/beta test anything that comes along. If there's any other way I can help you guys (well, apart from learning how to code...sorry, no time for that ;) ) just let me know.

Best,

Matt
[Fairphone 1] MoreThanADev:
Well it's true FP team were not always correct.

the fact they keep saying everywhere "if you can't open it, you don't own it" sounds a little ironical right now.

I also got a bit pissed off when I bought the fair-phone for the price off 325€ and got too pay extra fees that could have been more clearly exposed. Or when i figured out FF might not be working worldwide.

But to be honest what they are doing is great, and since I am not ready and capable of doing anything as great as this I think they deserve more our thanks than our rage, (even if i hop they can improve from our feedback and stop lying ? ;))

(So fairphone team sincere congratulation, you did great, keep up the good work, and understand that what we are angry for is not about something you couldn't do, but about something you could have said)

FP1 is gonna be over soon, I hope you will enjoy some rest :)

In other news some fairphone already arrived and others will follow very soon (including mine :victory:), still, i haven't found yet on the fairphone website a link to OS binary that can be flashed on the phone for a factory reset. Did i miss something ? Are they not available but will they be available soon? Or is there another way to repair it's OS ?

Also, while searching the website for these links i found out some mistakes (like dead links for example), anyone knows if there is a way to report them?

Finally the fairphone already delivered are from the special edition (they got being ordered before the end of the kick-starting) therefore, the special surprise leaked on the web, i let you spoil yourself if that's what you want ;)
[Fairphone 1] matt.s:
new chipset

It seems like Fairphone changed the chipset to the MTK6589M and didn't even bother to announce this step actively. There is already some discussion going on in their support forum: w w w.fair phone.zendesk.com/hc/communities/public/questions/200625078-New-chipset

After some quick searching around, it seems to me that this chipset is just a downgraded version of the original one (w w w.giz china.com/2013/05/08/what-are-the-differences-between-mediatek-mt6589m-mt6589-and-mt6589t-soc/) and the sources are just as closed/unavailible. So we get less bang for the buck and still no chance for custom development. Am I missing something?

PS: You'll have to remove the spaces in the links, I'm not able to post them regularly as I'm new here.