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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Cruiserdude:
The S3 had a blown qfuse as well IIRC. What specifically on the hardware side of things makes this any different? The hardware never prevented a downgrade before, now on this newest build it does, can that not be reverted somehow since the only change was software, and then use files from an eng build if they were obtained?

:thumbup:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Rhodesy757:
man I really need some root action back in my life. I lost my phone on a damn roller coaster and had to replace it with an insurance replacement. When I got my new phone I forgot to not let it update to the new firmware....

HAS ANYONE HEARD ANY NEWS RECENTLY? IS IT LOOKING LIKE THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN SOON?

ANYWAYS COUNT ME IN FOR $10 FOR ROOT/BOOTLOADER

Ryan
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
Is there any documentation about what a QFuse is that was not written by a random person? I see a bunch of speculation about a "QFuse" but have yet to find any concrete information about it
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Protibus:
Root would be good, root plus recovery would be gooderest. I have actually come to like the TW launcher but need to be able to tweak it up a bit with some mods. Root accomplishes most of that, recovery gives me the rest.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shotjas:
If root has been obtained, is there any particular reason that is hasn't been released? Considering that just a root method doesn't collect the bounty.. Regardless of if I get root or an unlocked device, I'm still in for the funds that I have pledged, in fact, I would pay into a "pool" that would be collected and paid to whomever collects that bounty to ensure that what I have said I will pledge, actually is pledge and accounted for. As stated previously, I'm not that interested in the ability to load ROMs and such.. I need to be able to edit the APN settings (which are locked) to allow 3rd party SMS/MMS apps to utilize the MMS abilities of the network. Verizon didn't include 3 letters in the APN settings that will allow that. Being that I don't have root, I cannot edit the xml file within the /system folder to do so. Additionally, without root, I cannot edit the build.prop file to allow Google Wallet to function on my phone. I refuse to accept ISIS as my only NFC payment option as they do not allow me to add all my cards to chose from. I do have the 3 that they accept, but none of those are my bank cards that I prefer to use.

So I ask again, if there is a root method, can it be released? Emailed, PM, open forum? Hell, I'd even pay for root at this point, just to do the two things that I need it for.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
The S4 is completely different in regards to flags and fuses and Samsung has really taken effort to prevent downgrades this time (amongst other things). We're still not 100% discovered on the process how the new flags work so, even if you manage to force an older aboot onto there, likely what you'll have in your hands afterwords is a nice brick.

Dan Rosenberg (on topic of Motorola Qfuses): http://blog.azimuthsecurity.com/2013/04/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Unfortunately root alone does not fit the requirements for this bounty and for this purpose it is being withheld, in addition to that a stable and easily working method is still to be worked on as well as the folks working on root are themselves aware of the importance of having a custom recovery and choosing to withhold the same for that reason as well. Trust me, it will benefit everyone in the long run (as many have already pointed out) that we get working recovery as well before the bounty is paid. Patience is a virtue.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JamesPumaEnjoi:
I know but that really wasn't a "flagship" or as popular as this phone
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] knight1fox3:
Hiya recDNA! Been following this thread for the last few days and saw your name pop up. I recall seeing you over at the RootzW forums. Good old ThunderShed. ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jayrod76:
It became the red headed step child. Had it not been for hashcode and Dhacker..yeah..I still love my Bionic.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Send me a dump of /system off it,

mkdir dump

cd dump

adb pull /system

zip the dir up

upload it
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Just extract it from the FXZ. That'd be easier. WinImage will open the system.img from the Bionic's FXZ.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
I don't have windows, and I wouldn't run software from an unfamiliar developer if I did.

It would be easier for me if someone just uploaded a dump.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] markwebb:
PM me instructions and I might be able to do it for you!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
I'll post it here instead, but this isnt for the S4, its for the other moto phone he mentioned

mkdir dump

cd dump

adb pull /system

zip the dir up

upload it
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] markwebb:
Thanks, am at work so I will try and do this 2nite, tomorrow at the latest.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jayrod76:
Yeah..sorry..at work and asked a few others to help out.

Outta curiosity, what are you looking for in there? Nobody (that we know of) was ever successful in unlocking the bionic or RAZR.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Ahh, good old Droid Bionic. I remember this bounty was never filled. ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1236725
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] prstorero:
Dang $1000 from one donation is crazy haha

prshosting.org
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Maybe someone here can be just as crazy? ;P
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] prstorero:
Doubtful, but possible :)

prshosting.org
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] morgej:
I'm in for $20 for the ability to root + recovery that allows flash of a custom ROM
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] wrecklesswun:
Has a method for just rooting available for the update just released ota? Id be down for 100 of I can just get root.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] adunb8:
no hope ?

wait so let me get this straight....

as of now people who upgraded (like me) are screwed to root and use custom roms / recovery/ kernels until someone comes out with this hack and get the 2000 donation? :(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
That's the trouble with exploiting security holes. Once they're patched, they're gone. Loki was based on a security hole in the bootloader code that essentially allowed them to flash unsigned code. The latest update has patched that vulnerability. Now flashing unsigned code is not possible. And it's not entirely likely that a new "Loki" is going to suddenly pop up. You guys may get root (and may have already I'm not sure) but flashing unsighed code....not so much.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rdcamero:
Yes and the sad thing is that when the update for the s3 and the note 2 comes out and the note 3 is released in a couple months everyone is going to be in the same boat.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Donator lists updated

Just FYI, I have added you as $100 to both lists as root (alone) is not part of the bounty so if we get even more you will have it. :)

The bounty claimer must release the method first then collect the bounty after minimum one user confirms it works the same for them.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
Do you need a bionic system image for some reason? If you still want/need it I have a stock root .246 bionic thats still on 4.04. Anyways im looking at the gs4 ota's bootchain, can anyone confirm if at&t's ota was compiled before or after vzw's (june 22nd)?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rdcamero:
I don't have a problem waiting but I am just looking at worse case.At what point do we give up on root and recovery and decide to just go with root.A month 3 months.

I know everyone wants root and recovery but there comes a time when we have to accept the fact that it may not be possible no matter how much money is thrown at it.

As more people buy the phone and have to do warranty returns and receive a updated phone as a replacement I can see people getting frustrated to the point of just taking what they can get.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Unfortunately this bounty will not be changing to root alone. If anyone wants to start their own bounty for root alone (but must explicitly state root only) I cannot stop you of course but I do recommend to hold out for the recovery. Last I heard, a process is already in the works, it's just not very user-friendly at this time.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Now that's interesting. I hope they're successful even if it's not user-friendly.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
People this is what they call rehab for crack flashers.... 7 days sober will do us all good. Hey we might even remember theres a outside,or tv, or just maybe when someone calls us it wont go to voicemail becuase we were in recovery.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Please don't take what I'm about to say as preaching as I'm definitely not doing that. But perhaps the lesson here is if you get custom recovery and root working, leave things alone! :D Once you have custom recovery you can flash anything you want. There's no need to take an OTA that breaks your custom recovery setup. All I'm saying is it's something to consider going forward. If root and Loki v2 happen, remember the pain you're going through now the next time that hot new OTA comes out. LOL
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rdcamero:
I hope it just turns out to be a short rehab and not a long term prison sentence :(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
It does feel really weird when you can't flash anything........I confess, I am a flashaholic..:D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] wrecklesswun:
Id be willing to double just for root...I have two apps which require root on my under aged daughters phone

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Or even triple if I could keep root after an update
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
They have what you need, but im sure they wont mind you trippling the money lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bhp090808:
I dont have a verizon s4 but put me down for 10 on each. I love the anticipation:D

BEAST......... that is all
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Unfortunately as stated before this bounty requires recovery as well before someone can claim it. Root is able to be kept via Voodoo Root Keeper app. If you would like I can double or triple your contribution for root+recovery and leave bootloader unlock the same.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
^^^ This is funny. :laugh: Also very true.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bfmetcalf:
Thankfully I still have my Asus TF101 to keep me satisfied :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] prstorero:
I have the same tablet :) lol

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bfmetcalf:
How you like it?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
I need dump from whatever Motorola he wanted root on.

What does the build date matter? Neither are vuln to loki, and they are signed with different keys?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
The Bionic has root for all versions of the OS. People don't like that the JB version requires Linux, but, it exists and works nonetheless.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] prstorero:
The bionic has root/recovery

prshosting.org
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jayrod76:
I think something got confused...the Bionic is rootable even with the JB OTA..It never had it's B/L unlocked and as a result,is running a modified version of TWRP called Safestrap as it's custom recovery for ROMs. The same goes for the RAZR.

Ideally,if a full on unlock wasn't achieved for the S4,those who didn't take the OTA could benefit some from a Safestrap type recovery as it allows for multiple ROMs ready to go within a couple of minutes or so for easy testing of ROMs/mods on multiple ROMS. Not exactly a dual boot like the ONE has but close.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
I have an older .235 build for the bionic and that was the the last versuon that allowed you to go back to gb. And the .246 is the last ics build that allows you to easily go to jb 4.1.2 easily and keep root. I guess I just figured the earlier the build the more vulnerable/easier to unlock for.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
well then im confused, no longer need dump i guess
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JamesPumaEnjoi:
Let's just hope that this doesn't happen to us....but like jcase and openyoureyes have stated patience is what is required here...let the devs do what they do and hopefully we'll benefit from this bounty thread...not talking to or pointing anyone out here just conversation...have a great night gentlemen I shall "see" you tomorrow
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] chiaggie03:
Bounty

Put me down for $10.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Cruiserdude:
The problem is everything has to run on the stock kernel, even AOSP roms. That's great if you enjoy changing the look and feel of your phone on a whim, but if you're a performance and/or battery life enthusiast, if you enjoy adding or improving hardware features of the phone (colors, sound, filesystem types, etc) or just in general enjoy tweaking the hardware and optimizing your setup for your needs and choice of rom, you're out of luck.

So while root/recovery is definitely a step in the right direction, it's not nearly as important as getting an unlocked or unsecured bootloader as far as development potential goes. And if even a temporary workaround like loki or the S3's kexec can't be found, you won't have any way of running any other kernels. Which means owning this device would suck as much as the Bionic and Razr to most users here.

TLDR, root/recovery is great, but will significantly hamper development unless another workaround is found. Ultimately, a bootloader unlock will determine whether this device takes off like the S3, or is as frustrating as owning a Bionic. As great as this hardware is compared to the laggy mess of stock TW, I can't imagine never being able to flash a custom kernel or a properly optimized AOSP build.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sargentmajord:
Ahhh I love my unlocked S4 no pesky updates to worry about :P
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ackoolness:
Well, I got grandfathered into the unlimited data plan but lost it when buying this S4. Now im gonna get $h!t on again right after I buy it LLOOL gg no re Verizon...GG.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jayrod76:
Trust me..I am all too familiar with the Bionic/RAZR mess...and knew going into this with the S4 on VZW that it would only be a matter of time before Loki was not gonna be viable for us to go much farther than where we officially are. Kexec on the Bionic/RAZR works...but it really isn't the same experience..and I really am hoping that it doesn't come to that with the S4. I like theming stuff..and am not a fan of TW..it's rather fugly IMHO..but just like Blur,it is stable and the stuff works compared to some source roms (NOT SAYING A DAMNED THING NEGATIVE ABOUT ANY DEVS/ROMS) . I am currently enjoying the TW/AOSP hybrid of Eclipse..and although it would truly suck for development to die on the S4..as someone who has been used to working in a sandbox..it won't be the end of the world....just a huge buzzkill.

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Rub it in Sarge...:p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sargentmajord:
Lol jayrod u know it but I am trading it up for a note 3 on September ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ecen92:
I'll take the old one :p hah
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jayrod76:
You go through more phones than a hooke.....nevermind...you go through phones.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rdcamero:
I will probably be doing this as well.Either that or the rumored revamped S4 based on the Lte A model.If something big does not happen by Sept I see a lot of interest being lost in the current S4 if the revamp model comes to be.There will be a huge push to get the new models rooted and unlocked.

I am afraid that it is going to get the point that we are going to have to chose to either get left behind on the new updates in order to retain root and unlock status or just try to be happy with the possibility of root only.I started purchasing my phones outright in order to update as often as I like.I like being able to have the newest phone at the moment.

As much as I like to have a unlocked phone it gets to the point of why did I spend the money on the new phone only to be stuck a update or to behind.Kind of defeats the purpose of the having the latest and greatest phone.Sorry for the long rant.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
Smh would everyone just quit ranting... its been a week. Does anyone know what it takes to find a exoloit to get what we need? Than relax. If this was a Moto device Id say yeah the best we can hope for is root and a safestrap but its not. Samsung generally creates a bit more vulnerable device...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sargentmajord:
...the Note 3 is LTE-A or at least for T-Mobile since they are launching LTE-A at the end of this yr
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I have already done my own cry baby rant, but only because corporate reps point out they are going out of their way for some enterprise business and hoping the update makes IT bosses happy. The reality there is iPhone has it locked in now and any changes have at least a year lag. Futile effort for the S4 as an enterprise option, but hopefully not a permanent lock down beyond just root.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bhp090808:
Change my pledge for full bootloader unlock to $100. An im willing to throw in an at&t LG Optimus G E970 unlocked and in excellent condition. Since I dont use it anymore. If this is ok OP pm me.:beer:

BEAST......... that is all
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] acomiskey:
Am I missing something? I updated this morning to ME7 and used Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper to restore root. Everything I have read so far says that shouldn't have worked.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jayrod76:
While it is possible to keep root through the OTA..the update kills Loki so you will not be able to load up a custom recovery.

If you updated and didn't protect root..as it stands right now.. There is not a root exploit available.

This has been stated numerous times.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bait-Fish:
Bump me up to $40 for the full unlock. Thanks to everyone for stepping up, especially those coming in that don't have this phone!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
This has become a Kickstarter program :) A more savvy coder would create a package and polish it up while the bounty piles up. Nice if that were true, but with 6.3GB of image to comb through for exploits and to create a stable package, the person/s that get the bounty will probably need it for mental health bills. Or drink beer! :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidstyle:
They use too...now samsung has caught up with moto on perma locking devices. Go read thru the note 2 forums and you will understand why they are. every day there is a thread where some bonehead bricked his device from simply failing to follow instructions after unlocking. Then that person uses a insurance claim to get a new device.

Like I said previously...the only way the qualcom verizon s3 was un locked was due to a older leaked insecure sboot.img. however this probably wont happen because since the second ota verizon dropped for the note2, signature checking was implemented. that means once you update to the latest firmware, the old bootloader and pit is blacklisted in odin, so you can not revert back.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] markwebb:
Well, I hate to say it, but if an exploit is not found and published by the end of this month, then my phone goes back and I will hold out for something else...but let's face it, anything from VZW is going to be locked tight moving forward. I expect the new Droids to be locked tight and who knows what the MOTO X will be like. So, I either wait for an exploit on this phone or return while in my return window. I can live with just root..and a recovery. ::confused:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
No Dan! Don't give up on us! We need you sir! :(

For what it's worth, this is nothing new to what we had to deal with Android devices in the past (neverending root patches from carriers and new exploits from the community).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] csstamatin:
If we stop trying regardless of whether or not it can be achieved, then we've lost more than just access to our devices......
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bajasur:
30 for full unlock.. 10 for loki
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] imablackhat:
It sucks but I can't blame him. Verizon sucks for locking. At&t started doing the same locking it. Sprint is unlocked but sucks. And T-Mobile doesn't have real LTE. Also at&t users get throttled after 3gb with they're grandfathered unlimited to 2g speeds.

Verizon is still the only true unlimited but they suck so hard. And all devices are locked.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Schoat333:
Us VZW subscribers don't always have a choice to buy an unlocked device. We either have to wait for a developer edition, which is released many months after the original device and currently shows as back ordered, or buy a 2 year old nexus that is just terrible.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] djrbliss:
I understand this. This is why I didn't say "buy an unlocked device", I said you should weigh your priorities carefully. Consider whether it's more important to you to have a ROM-friendly device or the latest and greatest device, realize that these two are rarely the same thing, and make the choice that's best for you. But *don't* buy a locked device with the expectation that someone else will unlock it for you in a short period of time, because that sense of entitlement shows a serious lack of understanding and appreciation for the work involved in creating these exploits.

It's one thing to buy a locked device, accept the fact that it may stay locked, and *hope* that someone unlocks it; it's another to buy a locked device and *expect* someone to unlock it for you immediately.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shabbypenguin:
what do you mean? tmobile just announced 116 new lte markets yesterday, as well as biannual upgrades. i can see your points about sprint though, luckily for me i live in a big city so sprint lte is here and im content with 30 down and 8 up.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] brizey:
What's special about biannual upgrades? That's what everyone has had for a long time now.

But, once I am through this two years I will likely jump to T-Mobile, even if I have to give up my wife's employee discount. Or not...two years is a long time and T-Mobile might suck then, too.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Southern_mind:
My house is a complete dead zone for t-mobile and sprint. Only Verizon and att work and I live in Charlotte. You would think it would work.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Schoat333:
I totally agree with all of that, just pointing out that we don't have the option for unlocked devices like other carriers. Really, there are no "ROM Friendly" phones on VZW other than the Galaxy Nexus and OG Droid (Also the Dev editions that seem to never be available or late to the party). Every other VZW devices has required some form of exploit or hack to get ROM's working properly.

I think people are just used to seeing the popular devices exploited on VZW. While I agree that they shouldn't expect an exploit, I can understand how they expect to see one eventually. The majority don't feel entitled, they just know how great the developers in this community are. This bounty idea proves that a lot of people understand that it takes time, and time is $.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] darmot7:
Thank you, this is exactly how I feel. Please put me down for $10. :highfive: