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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
I understand that and thanks for the info, but I think some people get too caught up in the numbers. That is great Verizon marketing at work.

The reality is the only markets that matter are the ones you are in or visit. So for example, pretty much only one market out of those 115 matter to me. I wouldn't make the switch if it didn't work for me.

On the flip, I completely understand that people do a lot of traveling or don't live in a 4G market that are stuck on Verizon. To each his own.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Oh I fully understand that. I wasn't even considering AT&T until my wife got her S4 a few months ago and we realized the tower in our neighborhood had LTE. We've gone to a bunch of places this summer and she's had LTE as much as I have on VZW.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
At least with At&t you have Google play options and lte
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jorceshaman:
Your line of thinking is what really matters. I left Sprint due to losing signals in the most random spots while in my home town. I went with Verizon because my brother always had a signal. Now I'm a trucker and can't do without it. Otherwise I'd switch to Metro PCS since they have great coverage and prices in my home area.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Exactly. A fully unlocked phone (sim and bootloader) out of the box on an LTE network that's actually comparatively faster than VZW's. I really have no complaints. I get my phone tomorrow and will port my number over to AT&T after work.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
Really starting to contemplate this... only down side is id owe verizon 600 to get out of contract.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] pcar1947:
Anxiously following this thread. My rooted S3 tanked with a bad charging port. Sent it in for repair n what I received was a check for $499 with a explaination that they couldnt (geeksquad) repair it. So I purchased a used 1 week old S4 n it will come with me7 up

grade (stupid me I asked the question after I read this thread and the seller says "he is 99% sure he got the upgrade").

I probably will relist it on ebay and try something else!

Color me Cant live without ROOT!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
I am gonna owe them $385 which I'm fairly certain I can get back by selling my S4. And then we have my gf's S3 to sell to add to the pot. That's how much I want out of Verizon.

P.S. I'm sorry for getting off topic here.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
My contract is up on 9/8 anyway, so, I don't have much to lose at this point.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] udmatador:
First time actually posting here. Got my s4 yesterday and the verizon associate that sold it to me forced me to get the update (i think he noticed the custom rom on my s3). He told me the update was mandatory and all associates are told they need to update the phone before the customer leaves (which is BS since my friend got his 2 days ago at the store in the mall and they didnt update his). I was pretty bummed out when I got home to root and read this :(

My question is how likely is this to get fixed in the next 6 months? I'm thinking of just returning this phone and going to At&t for the Active.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
No word on a fix as of yet...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DooMLoRD:
send me the stock boot.img & build.prop... i will add support for it in my Easy Rooting Toolkit..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
I didn't have to pay anything. And I don't know about best buy, I was always under the impression that they are anal about returns and exchanges. However if you do decide to try just think out your story really well first and consider all questions that you may be asked. Run it by a few other people first. It would suck to think you had it in the bag and then spill the beans and they deny you.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] markwebb:


If you have the opportunity just return the phone, especially if you can change carriers. At least there is no doubt on your outcome.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] HowardZ:
Well, here is my prediction.

I do not think the developers will find a solution.

Those with existing unlocked phones will use cyanogenmod to get keylime pie, and other future updates. They will never get any firmware updates, and probably will not miss them.

Soon new s4 phones will come from Verizon with the ota already Installed. People will effectively sell their verizon phone upgrades for $400. They will upgrade to any popular phone and sell it for $400 more than they paid. Then they will buy the developer edition.

In a few months the developer edition owners will be the majority here at xda. Roms will cater to them.

The result will be everyone who wants to rom will perhaps spend $100 more for their phone. Verizon will not affect the number of people roming or using cyanogenmod.

My opinion
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hallstevenson:
From the number of people who've said the same thing, I almost wonder if there's actually a "policy" in place to do this, you know, for "enhanced customer experience". The store in the mall could have been a retailer or something...

No one can answer that. If anyone does, it's 100% speculation and what they want to happen, not what may happen. It could be figured out tomorrow, in months, or never....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] udmatador:
Understood. I'll probably head to Verizon tomorrow and sort it out an exchange. Maybe just throw it into a boot loop and tell them I woke up with it like this and try to get another one. Thanks for the responses. ;)

Also, I'd like to sponsor this bounty. Please put me down for $20.00 for a root and $20.00 for a unlock. Good luck devs.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nnnnr14:
Don't commit fraud, just tell them you want to swap colors.. You are within your 30 days right?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] maretus:
I'm in for 20$ on both.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Gaining root isn't the issue, its the bootloader. Root has been had by more than one person.

However, due to the age of the perf_event exploit and that others have commented that it was patched, I would grab the source and verify before putting the effort into it.

-- edit --

Sigh can't type in the morning
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JamesPumaEnjoi:
I could be mistaken but I couldve sworn i saw Protekk asking for Guinea Pigs to test out an exploit on Twitter? Anyone else see this? Maybe i read it wrong
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
I helped them try to gain info from the device.. they weren't testing a exploit though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
Yeah, I saw it. Hopefully something positive!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joeyx2:
Maybe not! The new update was put into a rom and are having trouble with wifi. So maybe now there even coming up with ways to get us on that.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Verdictator:
I saw it too

Yes he did. I volenteered to be a guinne pig.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JamesPumaEnjoi:
either way this is going to take some time and patience.....the more and more secure these bootloaders get the longer it is going to take to decypher and exploit. i have the utmost confidence that itll happen....and if it doesnt? then i sell the phone and get something else....Ill wait a month or two and if nothing is happening then theres nothing we can do about it and we take it on the chin....oh well....but lets have some faith here and hopefullt we will benefit from this bounty in the not too distant future but either way its still a badass phone and well see 4.3 soon
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] KappaAce2010:
I accidentally just allowed it to update. Did a battery pull and now each time it turns on, it wants to install this damn OTA. I swear if I lose root, this phone is going to be returned and will get an HTC One. F*** IT!!!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] HowardZ:
I thought he hit an unsolvable problem. Wifi will not work without the new matching firmware. He loaded the needed firmware and his phone bricked. He can not boot system, recovery, nor download. Seems the new firmware checks for the bootloader version and permanently shuts down the phone if they don't match.

That's my understanding from reading the developer's thread.

Verizon and Samsung are so determined to lock the phone that it will commit suicide before it allows us to succeed.

Regards
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] kvswim:
Can we get the contributor lists shrunken down to a spoiler button? That's getting to be a pretty long list.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] KappaAce2010:
This is really disturbing. The amount I spent on this phone and now they won't allow us to root. After reading some these replies, I feel as though I got the wrong phone and carrier for me.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
disregard, some people (me) need not read code before coffee is finished.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bobby janow:
Pay the $35 and return the phone. Then if you want you can get another color or the 32gb edition or even the same phone. But you only get one return for the money and the second phone you are stuck with. When I get a phone in a store I tell them they are not allowed to touch it. I'm germ phobic and they are not to put their germy hands on it. It's on the record on my account. As soon as they touch it I say I don't want that phone. They think I'm effin' nuts but I don't give a rat's @ss.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Why would someone mix and match firmware like this on a locked device, with documented blacklists and documented fact that new bootloaders blow fuses to prevent running older firmware with it? Only expected outcome here is a bricked device.

It was murdered, it did not commit suicide.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] gatesjunior:
Well, the official kernel patch fix for this is as follows:

static int perf_swevent_init(struct perf_event *event)
{

u64 event_id = event->attr.config;

if (event->attr.type != PERF_TYPE_SOFTWARE)

return -ENOENT;
}

So where did you pull that from ? Never mind, here is a good read ... :)

http://www.soldierx.com/bbs/201305/2637-388-Linux-Kernel-Exploit-PERFEVENTS-spender-abacus
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ecen92:
I think Sam's a great guy, made working with the Bionic doable, and not a complete hair pulling experience! I'm just going to have to get you more bacon in the mean time! :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] prstorero:
I second that jay needs bacon :)

prshosting.org
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jayrod76:
Had some this morning...lacked cheese and a platypus though
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nnnnr14:
*facepalm*
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DooMLoRD:
we are working on 3-4 more exploits:

https://github.com/android-rooting-tools
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] HowardZ:
Many years ago, I worked part time for Upsolute of North America as an installer. I'd remove the Bosch engine computer from Volkswagen cars, remove a surface mounted chip, reprogram the chip, resolder the chip in the engine computer, reinstall the engine computer, and watch the smile on the owner's face after the test drive.

So, theoretically, one can remove every chip in the phone, and replace its contents with what is in the developer's edition. However, I think it would be very difficult given the small size of the phone and its chips.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DooMLoRD:
so the sources arent patched right?

just need tester and someone to send the kernel boot.img/build.prop ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] wrecklesswun:
How can you get this? Be more than happy to try?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] kvswim:
Plus most of the chips are BGA mounted, there aren't any pins. And if you were going to go through all that trouble, why not just get a dev edition outright?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DooMLoRD:
u have the tar.md5 file of this ME7 firmware? open that file in 7zip and extract the boot.img

then pull the build.prop from system:

adb pull /system/build.prop .

upload both of those files and send me a p.m. with link
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] wrecklesswun:
how do i get the tar from the new firmware?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DooMLoRD:
no need... i found it and downloaded it...

can you please send me screenshot of about phone?

the part where it says: Build number
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hallstevenson:
Boot into recovery and wipe the phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] icomputerz:
This help you at all?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] johnthemixer:
Didn't Update

Ok what do you all knowing folks thing my phone constantly ask to install update so insteads of saying later or installing I just hit the back button and get out of it ,

I must admit it is annoying to keep doing that aws it alwasy ask when I use the phone but I dont wanna give up my root so should I just keep canceling out of it till someone comes up with an idea, or should I just bite the bullet do it and let it update t.

thanks

JOhn
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Ryno77:
Freeze system app sdm 1.0 using titanium backup. Or rename it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mrtruckincowboy:
Delete sdm.Apk
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nnnnr14:
They'll probably most likely try to give you a warranty replacement.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jwick2866:
I will gladly give 25.00 for Root and Recovery Bounty

Will give 50.00 for Full Bootloader Unlock + Root/Recovery
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DooMLoRD:
i have checked the sources and there are two exploits which will work...

i have already tested one exploit but there is some interference from the system... i think that selinux is causing the issue... i remember chainfire/supercurio saying that there was a way to fix this...

may be we can discuss this over p.m.?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
sure thing, pm sent.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jorceshaman:
WILL work? Or are likely to work based on prior knowledge but no guarantee?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] screaming01l:
What is the difference with the sprint version of the S4 to verizon? Im asking because I accidentally flashed the Verizon OTA onto my sprint phone. It was late and I was enjoying some drinks.. anyways, was hell to get off, lost wifi and data for 2 days till I got it corrected..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] xXPrOwLeRXx:
Off topic

Your question is off topic and you should be asking it in the sprint forum rather than this one.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hlxanthus:
Wait, you successfully flash the Verizon me7 update to a sprint phone? Then were able to restore to sprint firmware? Perhaps we can flash a Sprint ROM or at least the boot loader, unlock root etc . .
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] KappaAce2010:
You sir, I think your on to something....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hlxanthus:
LMAO!! I don't trust my luck enough to update to test it OR enough to risk someone else's device. But this is the first way I have heard of odin'ing away from the me7 boot loader, if that is in finact what they did.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
No way he flashed full verizon firmware to sprint, it would brick. Same if we flashed sprint to verizon
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hlxanthus:
Sounded strange to me . .
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mikekid7:
First off...How would he receive a VZW update on a sprint phone!!! I dont think sprint is pushing VZW updates over their network. And if it was hookep up to a rig with the VZW updater, it would have flashed the whole update anyway or it wouldn't have flashed at all.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
does anybody know if we are close or far from getting root + custom recovery?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
I think we all missed the opening line of his sentence... he was drinking and was drunk.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sporty377:
I think he might had flashed this when he was drunk...lol

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2357610
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jaytronics:
Would it? It might not. These phones are very similar. Just because other phones have done so in the past does not mean that it would happen this time. But, I am not saying it won't. Also correct me if I am wrong, the other person didn't state that it did not brick. So, maybe it did. But, they unbricked. Until proven otherwise we should look at this as a possible good thing. Just trying to stay positive.

Maybe some one that is brave and has taken the OTA can try to flash a Sprint firmware and then go back.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SmokeyMon:
our phones would brick on the sprint kernel. return to vzw... blah blah blah
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jorceshaman:
Or just someone who's about to take their phone back could give it a shot. Nothing to lose. If it bricks, you've got an excuse for taking it back.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Pro Toucher:
Put me down for $10 for both...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Yes it would, why? if he actually got it to flash, the bootloaders would be replaced with ones that were signed with different keys. If he flashed it, it was incomplete firmware, it was not full. SBLs/aboot were not flashed.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rtc1036:
Same thing happened to me two days ago. The employee accepted the upgrade when he was hooking it up for me. I had no idea until he told me it was going to upgrade and reboot before I could use it. I'm half tempted to bring it back for an exchange saying I was dissatisfied with the upgrade since I've only had it two and a half days.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mrtruckincowboy:
Worth a try worst they could say is no
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Harleydroid:
Thank you that negativity don't help. By the way what's up fellas? New to the forum. Took back my S4 back today and ordered a 32 gig
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hallstevenson:
The upgrade of the phone or the software?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
Id say both lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bobby janow:
Pay the 35 bucks and be done with it. Don't lie or cheat. Just return it.. no questions asked. It's part of the deal, you're not happy you can return it. But only once and it's gonna cost ya.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ddemlong:
So the bounty seeker just PMs people asking for the money once a method is found? No direct "pot" or account already loaded with donations?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jova33:
Correct. Honor system.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidstyle:
yea he is on to the fact that you should not drink and flash lol.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jova33:
Favorite Friday night activity, get drunk and flash some stuff!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] thedeveloper1:
How far is our progress on finding a root/ recovery method and a unlocked bootloader
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] KidJoe:
(sorry for the delayed reply... its been a busy past few days with the family...

You're right. That will be great, at least once there is a standard for visualization or "container solution" and its included on all devices, and all of the mobile device management solutions (Tangoe MDM, MobileIron, Afaria and the like) already in place at companies support the container solution on the device.... that is, unless in the short term more MDM solutions take the track of Blackberry's BES 10.1 and include tools/options to have a secured work space solution for Android and iOS, and companies start adopting it -> http://us.blackberry.com/business/software/bes-10.html#device-management

Until then, companies taking the BYOD approach will likely not want to spend more $$ on a solution like Touchdown, Devide, RoadSync, and the like, unless they have to (law or government mandate to keep corporations from touching PERSONAL DATA on a BYOD device). Even BES 10.1's solution costs money as CAL are needed. :(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] pstgh:
No root? No fun.

Ya know- the entire theme of these android phones is the "open" platform. If Verizon and Samsung want to change that, they are going to do it without me as a customer.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
FWIW (not much, perhaps) The company I work at has a large contract with VZW (and AT&T) that is supported by two corporate reps. Verizon has worked with Samsung (and apparently soon other OEM devices) to go out of their way to lock the S4 down and future Samsung devices. If the Note 3 is locked down as well, the reps assertion is probably correct.

As mentioned before, it has to do with growing in entrerprise markets and "coming technologies" that Verizon is involved in rolling out on their network in the future. IMO, seems fancy talk they are trying to reduce customer service costs and stop wifi tethering with unlimited users.

Note 3 is not too long away, so that would be a litmus test for such assertions. If the S4 is via devs becomes fully "free" again- or even just root, VZW will probably work quickly to lock it again.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] djsiva:
I'm in for $10 each...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] brizey:
It's just so absurd. Locked bootloaders have as much to do with security as speeding tickets do with traffic safety. Just an excuse. For one thing, six years of jailbroken iPhones and three and a half years of explicitly unlocked nexus phones has resulted in pretty much zero cyber security issues. There are billions(!) of pc's with unlocked bios. You can put anything you want on them and hook them up to your FiOS router without issue. All the locked bootloaders in the world are not going to prevent people from accepting absurd app permissions or giving their password over the phone to the "technical support" guy.

It is 100% about replacing bricked phones, which, of course, is made much more likely by a locked bootloader. Sigh.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidstyle:
were still waiting for you to release the unlock tool. :p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshw0000:
If these companies would actually enforce their own policy, they'd make more money than locking devices. People who send back their bricked devices are what causes this issue. So if they tested them and found that they are modified, bill them for a new phone at full retail...THEN jtag it and sell it again as a refurb. Eventually people will learn to either be more careful flashing their phones or learn how to fix a soft bricked phone. I've modded every Android device I've ever owned and never once sent in a phone that didn't have a manufacturer defect. Even then, my device was squeeky clean/stock when they got it.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mlin:
Go ahead and put me down for $10 and $20.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Schoat333:
Do you really think this happens that often tho? I mean, most people that take the time to mod their phone will at least try to recover if they mess it up, and they can in most cases.

There are definitely those people that abuse the system here, but I find it hard to believe its as many as they would like us to think. Locking boot loaders seems to be more about control than anything.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshw0000:
I have no way to tell exactly how many but I believe it to be a lot. I've seen countless "help, I'm bricked" threads that result in "nevermind, I got a replacement" even when people are telling them how to fix it.

I can't see what benefit Samsung is getting from locking them besides warranty claims. What they're doing is obviously working (giving people what they want in a phone), why start taking that away? Since it's not just Verizon now, can we really point the finger at Big Red?

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