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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Nbsss:
Ill wait for reviews on battery life, then I'm pulling the trigger.

Not too sure about that smaller battery and higher density screen...

Google should've made two versions, I'd pay $400 if it had a sd800 with ddr3 ram...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Phateless:
I'm waiting for the next N4.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] cnstarz:
Yes, the S4 does support DDR3 for the APQ8064 model. However, that model does not support cellular radios (3g/4g/LET). The model that does offer cellular support, MSM8960T, does not support DDR3.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] lolcopter:
Thankfully it looks like v1 will hold its own for some time, so Moto X here I come (eventually)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] eggydrums:
Most likely if I can sell my old N7, and an old drum cymbal I have I'll have the cash to afford it :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] :
I don't think you know what you're talking about, much less what "barely negligible" means (since that would mean quite important and noticeable indeed). The difference between the Tegra 3 and the S4 Pro is pretty significant, especially since the S4 Pro is a demonstrably solid mid-range processor with good power consumption and no kneecapping problems (like the Tegra 3's terrible memory bandwidth).
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Luthien1:
well, i have an s4 right now with a s600 processor, why would i get this new nexus 7 with a step below processor. The first generation tegra 3 is used in the ouya because it is very capable. I do not believe a 5 mp cam on back and the old snapdragon are worth a purchase if you already have the first gen nexus 7. They both will operate the same in most cases
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] cnstarz:
i don't know why you're comparing your phone to the new nexus when you should be comparing the last nexus to this one. this entire discussion is about the nexus 7. not your galaxy s4, not your htc one, not your nexus 4.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] :
The first generation Tegra 3 is used in the OUYA because it's now a cheap component that has some optimizations for games and a decent GPU setup. As a processor, it's really nothing special. In my OUYA, it runs like a dog with just the system, although that's equal parts OUYA's fault and nVIDIA's. It suffers from awful memory bandwidth (which was an issue known to nVIDIA at time of launch) and has aged pretty badly in the Nexus 7, although in part that's due to low-quality flash memory as well.

Saying the S4 Pro is "old" is really silly considering it's still one of the better processors out there, on the higher end of midrange. That said (and addressing your first point), considering that the S600 is powerful than most tablets out there right now, why would you get any tablet? It's not all about the specs, and if you're really that concerned about it than an Android tablet doesn't seem like the device for you anyway.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] :
LOL. Processor is one part of a device. Either way....new nexus will be a bit better, so if you got bucks to spend, sure, get it. If you need your bucks for more important things.....trust me, you're not missing out on that much. The new one won't blow you away I'm sure. Its under $300....you get what you pay for. Well...maybe slightly more than you pay for with a nexus....but still. ;)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Luthien1:
My point is simple, the nexus 4 came out during the original nexus 7, and to me, both those processors were capable at the time; therefor, its not much of an upgrade for me, thats all im saying.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] :
Granted as far as the upgrade, but people who continually maintain the Tegra 3 was always a good processor are glossing over a lot of contrary info.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] EfrainTrejo:
yeah i was kind of disappointed with the s4 pro processor i thought it was going to be a 600 but i guess that was to keep the cost down. I might just buy the nexus 4 with the nexus 7 money. Or i might just wait for something better.

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I don't see why people want the moto x in my opinion, i don't think its great just because of it being a dual core, I just cant stand the thought of having a phone with a dual core, when theirs devices like the one x or gs4 with a quad core snapdragon 600 processor. :confused: Just my thoughts .
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] quidnunc:
yes but not without reservations. the main motivation for me to upgrade is performance. i very much prefer the 7" form factor but find the tegra 3 performance underwhelming. im not as price sensitive as some people and would really like a higher end device (like flagship smart phones) in terms of performance but they don't seem to exist. so I will buy the new n7 but may consider replacing it when and if competing devices come to market (sacrificing faster OS updates). but I haven't used the n7b so I may end up satisfied. im skeptical of it significantly reducing the big stutter in Chrome because that seems to be driven also by their software philosophy regarding the function of chrome but i'll take what I can get. the higher res screen will at least allow me to read some text in portrait mode which would be illegible in 720p

one thing i'm excited about is the s4 pro supports hardware decoding of ac3 audio. all of my ripped movies are in h.264 with ac3 audio and the tegra 3 can only do software decoding of ac3 which makes playback of these videos impossible without terrible stuttering. some of the older movies I ripped have dts audio which wouldn't be hardware decoded on the s4 pro so I'll just have to hope the cpu is fast enough for the ffdshow plugin in MX Player

and the n7b also supports dual band wireless n now which means 5ghz wifi access finally. im ok with 2.4ghz in my home but in some other places 2.4ghz is terrible so it's good to have the possibility of 5ghz
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cuzz1369:
Anyone know when and how I can get one in Canada????

Carbonized and francofied N4
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
They said coming weeks at the live event.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Cuzz1369:
What they said was coming weeks. What I heard was don't hold your breathe. Lol

Bullspit

Carbonized and francofied N4
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
I'd bet its sooner than you think. By the number of outlets they are allowing in the us as compared to who was selling previous nexus devices, it seems like they really want to get this in as many hands as possible.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] lolcopter:
The dual core will lower the cost while improving battery life. The daily performance difference will likely be negligible when compared to a quad, and aside from geek bragging and pointless benchmarks, a dual should be more than efficient for 99.9% of a daily phone's tasks. Combined with the proposed software optimization, the Moto X should deliver an amazing value if the unsubsidized price point is around $300.

Android needs a drastic reassessment of priorities moving forward, and software optimization is the way to go. As a consumer, this route as proposed by the Moto X, presents much more long term value instead of just playing the latest hardware catch up game when you have companies like Samsung cranking out slight improvements every single year with little to no difference in the daily experience.

If you need an octocore phone simply because that's the best thing available hardware wise be my guest. I'm looking for a valuable, supported, cost-efficient phone that will provide wide developer support. Moto X seems to be making a strong case for itself.

I'm more concerned with the user experience than a spec sheet.

/derail
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kisrita:
Well I see it as "coming weeks" is less than "coming months" and weeks means at least 2 weeks and months means at least 2 months, so coming weeks should mean between 2 and 8 weeks... I hope... I'll be waiting impatiently for the LTE version! :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] karandevilocs:
my nexus 7 is kinda getting Slow after long usage (on original rom&kernal) but so i was considered ipad mini and nexus 7 (2013) as my new 7inch tablet ! although ipad mini's low resolution is a DEAL-Breaker but meh it's beautiful and bezel-free and nexus 7's bezel are kinda deal-breaker too.

btw i am installing new roms to test the tablet maybe they make me reconsider this , any suggestion by now i decided to install PA , CM original , SLIM and test them out then i'm going to flash ORIGINAL IMAGE !:o:eek:

and is there a method to root my 4.3 nexus 7 after installing it! :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] scottharris4:
No I will not. Not enough in there to convince me to spend another 200+ when my current one works just fine.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] putsometrebleinit:
Yep. Nothing going on there that gets me excited. No hdmi out and no sd card slot trump the 1080p screen and the rear camera. Mine also does everything I need it to so I don't feel the newer chip and extra gig of ram is worth it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
It has SlimPort, just buy the adaptor and you have HDMI output. How is this being consistently missed?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Well both are correct at least for the HDMI portion.

You could get SlimPort for the new one that mirrors the whole display on the screen, or use Chromecase with a few select programs (as of now) to wirelessly transmit any device (??) to the TV.

Myself I have mine pre-ordered the new N7. I did have an old Nexus 7 (had one for a few days) and it was giving me the same feel that I have with my TF700. Sluggish and slow after a short period of time even with tweaks.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] putsometrebleinit:
It's not being missed at all. However $20-$30 for the adapter brings the 32gb version to a $300 investment that really doesn't impress me that much over the one that I currently own. I'm Not being critical of Google, Asus, fanboys or anything/anyone else. If I didn't already have a perfectly good n7 I would definitely buy the new one.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] demandarin:
I will likely get it. I like to stay on the cutting edge. I will pass current N7 on to someone..lol
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] lolcopter:
Hardware manufacturers recognize and take full advantage of this. The smartphone/tablet market is much like the PC market a few years back -- you could gain significant increases in performance year after year, but I believe we're finally reaching a point, where like PCs, the annual hardware improvements provide little actual performance increases and we are reaching a plateau of sorts. Good news for consumers, bad news for Samsung.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] :
Except the flexible phone thing!! That'll be neat! LOL

^ sarcasm ;)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] lolcopter:
I want a see-through one! :p
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] :
I want a phone with a built in joystick! !!!

^ you guessed it....more sarcasm!!

K....I'll stop. :)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] EfrainTrejo:
You do have a good point there, i guess when the time comes when they unveil the moto x and its at a 300 price point i might get it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Lexord:
Guys this is kinda off topic, but do you

think google is going to make a 64GB version, and sell it like the 32GB and eliminate the 16GB version, (Like they did last year with the 8GB model)

:\ i really dont want to buy the 32GB version, and then after 1 month, there's a 64gigs v, for the same price
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] danvee:
Doubtful, and no evidence to even point to that.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
I don't see a 64gb version. The 32gb came out with the 3G version so seeing the LTE version @32Gb should be telling.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Lancez:
Pre ordered a 32GB version from best buy just a min. ago. Should be at my door step on 31st :D
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Lexord:
Ok :) Now I can buy in peace.. thanks
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] keynith:
Just ordered mine off best buy too, here the 30-31. Im taking a plane ride on the second of august, so i went with express shipping.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] silverwater25:
Yes

When the 4g model comes to Staples. I use the nexus as my main phone with G voice and I'd sure love to ditch this Verizon 4g hotspot and transfer the sim card over to the Nexus.

My 1 year service plan with Staples still hasn't run out, so unfortunately my Nexus might have to have an accident ;)
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] timn03:
Didn't believe the hype or the specs until yesterday. Confirmed details this morning, promptly returned my new galaxy tab 3 7.0 to best buy and came home and pre-ordered the new nexus 7 with express shipping :D
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kousakasan:
I just preordered mine at Best buy. I pick it up Tuesday the 30th :D
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] TonyHoyle:
Preordered mine from ebuyer in the UK. Hoping they can actually get stock!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] nexusmanftw:
Jut picked one up in store from office max. 32 gb
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] bangawasawa:
The next Nexus 7 = Nextus 7. That's what they should have called it, LOL. Anyway I'm considering a new tablet for games and cannot decide between this and an iPad Mini. I have a library of games on both platforms, but some gorgeous games - in my opinion of course - (like IB 2, KotoR, that new Deus Ex game) are only available on iOS. So I don't know.... Will appreciate opinions to sway me either direction.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] basuraunak:
Nexus 7 2nd Generation looks good....lets see how it fares once it comes...................will also be looking forward to the MotoX!

What Say?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] xT4Z1N4TRx:
I'm so incredibly pissed off that we in the UK have to wait weeks for it. Its available for pre order for the 13th of september, for £199 and £240. How pathetic, a price increase of $30 in the states, and £40 ($61) in the UK.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Lancez:
Ask your government to lower the tax :D
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] xT4Z1N4TRx:
LOL wouldn't make any difference, Google are known not to pay it to the UK government!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] basuraunak:
You are lucky to be recieving it now.....dont know when it will hit india

Sent using Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] plbelanger:
Wait, what the _new_ nexus 7 that isn't supposed to be sold till next week??? If so, I'm jealous! Anyway yeah definitely buying one day 1.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mssam:
The root method/recovery is the deciding factor for me. It appears there are still some kinks to be worked out in regards to those issues. Once those issues are hammered out, I'll buy one no problem...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] dragid10:
I was really hoping that they'd hopefully have some sort of tradeup program (stupid right?) But i probably won't because i don't have any money
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] TonyHoyle:
The release date hasn't been confirmed.. ebuyer are saying end of august, but even that's a guess.. until we hear from google nobody knows. Currys putting a different date up isn't 'confirmed' by any stretch. I doubt it's anything like that far away.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
They do, its called sell your old one on EBay, swappa, craigslist and then use that money to purchase a new one. Of course you will have to come up with the difference.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] xT4Z1N4TRx:
I hope so mate. I just hope it comes out before august the 15th, my a level results day :p

The pricing compared to US is still pretty ridiculous
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Yea Best Buy has a trade in program but you'll be lucky to get $100 for it. I read somewhere they offered like $55. lmao.

I always sell my devices and throw in a little extra for the next gen stuff. Staples has a good deal making these first gen N7's like $150, which throws a wrench in resell, but craigslist and ebay will sell for more (people who don't know how to price check).

I threw my two 32gb N7's on craigslist and only got 1 hit from someone asking $120 for the new one. FU. I put it on Facebook and they were both gone within 20min with a few people waiting in line.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] swisstourist:
I think it will be in Europe around the 15th August.

if they wait too much, people will buy from eBay...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] gidude73:
I'm getting one. I know its early but, has anyone seen any cases or screen protectors for it yet?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Might take the same screen protector as the first. Its the same sized screen, just a little smaller on the sides probably shouldn't affect the screen protectors.

Cases as it being thinner... most likely old cases would fit, just a little sloppy. Hoping there is a nice case to come out at release or shortly after.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] lolcopter:
At risk of sounding like a troll, but why worry about screen protectors or cases for a $200 tablet with very little resale value? It's quite sturdy as-is, and if it breaks or gets a monster scratch (doubtful), just buy a new model, or a used one for the same price as a screen protector + case??

I guess of you're a student and you haul it around in a bag all day that's different than being a couch computer tho. I personally hate screen protectors. The feeling is always off and my OCD rages hard when an air bubble takes place or if its slightly off. Haha
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] xT4Z1N4TRx:
I wonder if I could import them from the US to UK. It'd be like £30 import VAT so probably pay the same amount and get it a tad earlier lol

By the way, anyone looking to sell theirs- CEX are giving £81 ($124) for 8GB WiFi nexus 7's. Sold mine to them yesterday, it's the highest I've seen from any of the electronic recyclers. Not sure if they have it in America though
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] issak42:
Hopefully I won't be getting it.

Why hopefully? Because I'd only get it if my current N7 broke, which I don't want. I got so used to the 7" tablet that I'd have to get another one, but since the money is tight right now, I hope my first N7 will work for a long time. If it did brake, I'd probably buy the cheapest N7 1 off ebay because the prices are as low as never before
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
I probably would have to agree with you. I did have a screen protector on my $500 tablet.. and within 1 Month I removed it. No issues with it and little more responsive I find, and better feel. Though its attached to the keyboard dock all the time so it does have a protective cover on it per say when transporting.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
I use mine for work so it get lugged around. And honestly the SGP Spigen Matte protectors feel so good and resist fingerprints. I had one on my original nexus 7 until my son was stabbing it with something and created dimples all over. I pulled it off and now I couldn't stand it. It gets SO many fingerprints that it is disgusting. I would have bought a new one except the new N7 will be mine in a few days.

And honestly it's a piece of mind. If I didn't have that SP on there, I would have lost $175 (what I sold it for) and probably would had to rebuy a new old N7 just to get buy (this happened in April).

The Matte is just so awesome. Kills reflections (glare), no fingerprints, smudges, and keeps the screen from getting "tacky" after playing games (where your thumb stops wanting to slide).

That and a Portenzo Book Case are sold whenever they become available.

[EDIT] This was my 5,400 post btw. Hope you enjoyed it! [/EDIT]
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] qaz2453:
i just got my 32GB Nexus 7 in March! :D

i don't want to a an early adopter of any device including the new nexus 7

I'm going to keep my tablet for years to come :laugh:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] ckisgen:
just sold my 32GB N7 on Craigslist for $170. considering my ex-gf gave it to me a week ago for nothing (consolation prize for refusing to get back together with me, perhaps) - I'm only gonna have to lay out about $115 (including tax) for my new N7b 32GB.

also, stopped by my local Staples and dude said their shipment should be in tomorrow around noon and "didn't think it would be a problem" letting me walk out with it tomorrow. that was enough to make me delay my BestBuy pre-order another day to see if I can somehow manage to catch Staples napping on the job..
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Anyone looking to sell let me know, I'm looking to buy a 1st gen for the right price.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] xiheartjtag:
I will it sounds awesome for the price
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Interesting, going to stop by Officemax on my way home.

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Doh, fail. Might be able to try another store tomorrow.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] cnstarz:
For those of you who think the N7g2 isn't much of an upgrade from the 1st gen...

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-just-how-much-faster-is-it-a-lot-apparently/
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] trimalchioinwestegg:
I just called my local Staples and they told me they just got their shipment in and are holding a 32gb model for me in the front. Crossing my fingers that it won't get stopped by the computer while checking out. I'm heading over there in half an hour when I get off work. Will report back.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Deathman20:
Thanks for the link!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
You have the SKU?

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I just called staples and the guy said the shipment was suppose to come I. Today, but its not showing in their system.

I called best buy and she said come on in they have plenty of them.....so I'm on my way to beat buy, got 45 min to get there.

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Wasted my time.

Just got back from best buy, they wouldn't sell me one. Of course I speak to the one best buy employee who actually knew that the device wasn't suppose to be released til Tuesday.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] yanksrock1000:
Mine is on eBay right now! Hoping to get like $180-ish because I have it bundled and selling with the root....

I know its not a huge upgrade, but I read alot on the tablet and the higher resolution will certainly help
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Joeful:
I plan on selling my TF700T, purchasing the N7 2, and using whatever money I have left over for accessories and bills!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Jack Barrett:
No. The 2012 model is still not outdated. I'd consider getting it if it was using snapdragon 800, but for S4 Pro nope.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] nexusmanftw:
Exactly my thoughTs. If my gs4 can outperform it then whats the use of buying it. Tablets should always be more powerful than phones imo.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kousakasan:
Best Buy just called me. They said Google moved up the release date. I can pick mine up tomorrow. :cool:
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] michaelg1030:
Guess I will try again tomorrow. I went today cause when I called they said come in and get it we have plenty, but then I was shot down when I actually showed up and tried to buy it.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] DaSaint79:
Wife is gonna kill me, I wasn't supposed to spend this.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kousakasan:
I'm calling the manager first, before driving there. I preordered from the Best Buy near my work for easy pick on Tuesday. But now that its release is Friday, I'm off Fridays. Its an hour drive if I pick up my Nexus 7 tomorrow...
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] streakthequad:
I'm going to see how long I can make her believe the new nexus is really the old nexus :D
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Lancez:
Aren't you supposed to spend on your man card first? :p
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] androidfr33k:
We don't even know if it will be easy to unlock as the original unit unless that is how google makes them in general? My other major concern is if you hard bricked the bootloader can the user bring it back or has to send it back to Asus as the original?

Those two are huge selling points for me. It would be nice to know that I can recover from a hard brick when my warranty expires. The Tegra 3 could not be done by the user. I wonder if Qualcomm has opened any doors or a backup of some sort to recover.

My Asus RT-AC66U router for example has a recovery bootloader that can never be bricked and always recovery from a bad DD-WRT firmware.