yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
No argument, since Samsung and Verizon are trying to ally for enterprise use with businesses. No IT department would touch the S4 in previous state.

Still seems the "easiest" solution is to allow rooting for a device if the customer waives Verizon warranty support. Then the user can mod-away and Verizon does not have to worry about support costs due to people messing their devices up.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
Yeah I'm itching to get into this. I hate myself for getting into .NET first haha but anyway.. of topic, sorry.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
and this is what they did, but offering dev editions for sale. Obviously they didn't make enough of them, as they ended up sold out from what I understand. It isn't just support costs tho, many people do not outright own their phone, most are on contract for it. When people break a contract device and can't afford to replace it, they end up ditching the carrier.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jova33:
I see a few people saying they have root with the update..... but what's the point of having root with no recovery?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mikeyinid:
Theres alot of good reasons to have root with no recovery.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jacksonpeebles:
Count me in for $13.37!

Count me in for $13.37 (or round up to $15) for recovery/root!

-Jackson Peebles
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Protibus:
Probably known by most everyone but in case some aren't aware, the source code for ME7 has been released on the Samsung open source site,

http://opensource.samsung.com
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
Fibber. Lol :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JamesPumaEnjoi:
$10 here please....where's Adam Outler when you need him :-p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Ok, let clear this up once and for all. I hate seeing credit for ones work being given to another

Not dissing Adam here at all.

Adam wrote the front end system (Casual) and did testing/documentation, he did not write the roots/unlocks you are thinking of. The were written by others, mainly Ralekdev I believe.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JamesPumaEnjoi:
Done.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jova33:
But you can't flash anything, you can't backup a nandroid.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] darmot7:
Jcase brings up a good point. I would like to thank the appropriate people for work done. I hope that when this happens there will be names available so that I can send a personal message to those who put in the hard work.

By the way I think that's all he was saying.

Also please put me down for 10$ and please keep up the good work!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DarkMenace:
I myself don't root for that stuff. All I care about it Ad Free, Titanium Backup, and Root Explorer. If I could be sure I could keep my root I might take the OTA. BUt there are no guarantees, So I just blocked it for now from my good ole fota folder,
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Don't be ridiculous and tell me not to quote or correct you, this has nothing to do with what you do with your money, frankly I don't care how you spend what you earn. It was not a slight against you, nor Adam. One incorrect statement, leads to others. It just confuses people that don't know better.

It did not seem like a joke. Seemed like someone who was ill informed. I wanted to make sure proper credit was given where it was due.

Bananas are not berries :P <- does not a automatically make it a joke (and yeah they are berries)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mikeyinid:
Do you know jcase? Obviously not. You definitely need to do some research on whos who around xda and the root world.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Protibus:
I second for root and raise you recovery. Back on track.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] prstorero:
I raise you boot loader unlock. Lol.

prshosting.org
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JamesPumaEnjoi:
Dude in all honesty I respect you and what developers do...the tedious minutes/hours/days of hard work...but I'm done here man I pledged my money...you're saying I made an incorrect statement...I didn't...you're assuming what I meant by me saying "where's Adam Outler when you need him". Honestly man it was a joke I never said he unlocked the boot loader I never said he rooted the phone I never said any of that...if that's what you took from it then there's nothing I can do about it...you don't know who I am...how I know Adam...anything really about what I meant with that statememt...you interpreted it incorrectly but its cool no hard feelings here
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Why would I donate to something I believe I can accomplish myself?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
No you didn't, but you did get rude when I corrected a statement. I never thought you said a bad word against me, but I do take text as says. Without context, text can be a bad way to express "a joke"
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JamesPumaEnjoi:
Absolutely and I understand that...I apologize...dude I really hope you can figure it out and grab that bounty....more power to you because I'm am idiot for taking the OTA...good luck to you man I'm sure I will see you around the forums...no hard feelings..

Once again sorry...its all good here and good luck to you with the bounty but honestly there was no statement to correct...I didn't say he unlocked the boot loader or gained root I didn't misinform anyone but anyway dude like I said good luck I hope you can do it and if you can then you deserve every penny and more
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Guys let's not derail this thread. We have a good thing going here so far so let's not ruin it with petty squabbles. Let's encourage each other it and support the cause! :good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] heyazzo:
Is this the same Trustzone architechture that we saw with the Msm8960?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dorioo:
I'm rooted and running CM but put me down for $20 to help the cause and to put it into the universe that this needs to happen.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] heyazzo:
Can we still use this stuff for the loader and create an emergency, so that the kernel has to be replaced?

Injects allow rules into binary SELinux kernel policies

$ ./sepolicy-inject -s shell -t system -c file -p read -P sepolicy -o sepolicy2

libsepol.policydb_index_others: security: 1 users, 2 roles, 518 types, 14 bools

libsepol.policydb_index_others: security: 1 sens, 1024 cats

libsepol.policydb_index_others: security: 84 classes, 4539 rules, 162 cond rules

$ sesearch -A -s shell -t system -c file sepolicy

Found 1 semantic av rules:

allow appdomain domain : file { ioctl read getattr lock open } ;

$ sesearch -A -s shell -t system -c file sepolicy2

Found 2 semantic av rules:

allow shell system : file read ;

allow appdomain domain : file { ioctl read getattr lock open } ;

TODO:

Insert multiple rules at the same time

Remove rules

Use attributes

Add permissive domains
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BeansTown106:
This is 100% true ralekdev made the exploits, but adam did casual, and all the testing in finding a way to get it to work easily for the masses

Basically ralekdev = exploits, code reversing

Adam = casual, god with a sawdering iron, device teardown, uart dumps

This is how it went on both the verizon note2 and the verizon note 10.1

The verizon s3 was unlocked because of a leaked aboot from a prototype i535

Just helping jcase set thw record straight here
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] heyazzo:
Notices for file(s):

/root/file_contexts

/root/property_contexts

/root/seapp_contexts

/root/sepolicy

/root/sepolicy_version

/system/bin/selinux-network.sh

/system/etc/security/mac_permissions.xml

This configuration (sepolicy) is public domain, i.e. not copyrighted.

Warranty Exclusion

------------------

You agree that this software is a

non-commercially developed program that may contain "bugs" (as that

term is used in the industry) and that it may not function as intended.

The software is licensed "as is". NSA makes no, and hereby expressly

disclaims all, warranties, express, implied, statutory, or otherwise

with respect to the software, including noninfringement and the implied

warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose.

Limitation of Liability

-----------------------

In no event will NSA be liable for any damages, including loss of data,

lost profits, cost of cover, or other special, incidental,

consequential, direct or indirect damages arising from the software or

the use thereof, however caused and on any theory of liability. This

limitation will apply even if NSA has been advised of the possibility

of such damage. You acknowledge that this is a reasonable allocation of

risk.

(NSA?) So, I have been taking apart this new kernel within android studio, and it's been a *****. Slab. Cold hoe. I was sure of the new contracts, too. I've been having fun also, trying to get kies to accept open source.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jorceshaman:
I'm not quite sure how this works but put me in for $10 for the same method as previous and $50 for a full bootloader unlock like I was using on my Razr.

I've used many things from these forums but I just made an account. I want to thank the developers here for being so awesome! I love the mods and everything available for the S4.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
NSA is behind SELinux. Maybe you should start another thread on your kies research.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bobby janow:
The goal is the same. Let's just stay focused. This is a great thread. All of it, even the in fighting and resolutions. Root will be had.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ddemlong:
I don't think there has been an android device to date that is un-rootable.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Root is had.

He was questioning about NSA/SELinux, he wasnt posting anything relevant to the thread, I asked him to take it to a new thread where we could work on it if he wanted to continue it.

Let me mod please.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
:good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dirtyfingers:
I got $10 for root/recovery or $20 for a full unlock
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] theresin:
Sadly, root is but a small piece of a much larger puzzle - especially in this situation.

Root doesn't/wont mean a thing if we can't bypass signatures or downgrade.

I get your point, though, and this is not directed at you my friend - but as others have said, I would beg caution to anyone who thinks/expects every new device to be exploited and unlocked. Vulnerabilities get fixed every minute of every day, that's the nature of the beast.

The whole thing is a catch-22: All of us here like being able to unlock our devices and make them ours as we would see fit ... but I'm willing to bet the majority of us also like/desire our devices to be secure against malicious attacks, data leaks, snooping, etc.

It's just like Jcase said - we should be happy that so much goes into the security of the platform... no matter how much that hurts to say.

Glad to see people donating, and glad to see people continuing to fight against misinformation (wasn't that a "Bush-ism" at one time?)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jova33:
The way I see it, a phone should be like a PC, and your carrier should be just like an isp.

It'd be like buying a computer and being told you can only run Windows on it, and you can only run our version of Windows, plus it comes pre-installed with our companies worthless programs that you'll probably never use.

I want to be able to install/uninstall whatever I want on my phone. I want to be able to run Ubuntu mobile if I wanted to. It's my phone, right? I paid for it, right?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nnnnr14:
True... If you paid full price. If you paid the upgrade price it's kind of like a rent-to-own car. It's technically "yours" but you can't do any ridiculous modifications to it until it's paid off. But I do get your point if it it worked like that there would be no way to get the gs4 for $200
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jova33:
Don't some carriers do financing? When I was researching how to upgrade and keep unlimited on VZW one option that came up was if you purchase in store, you can finance. The 32GB was only available online, so I didn't really explore that option.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nnnnr14:
Hmm might.. But let's get back on topic I'd hate to derail the thread
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
Guys if you want to work out any personal issues you can always just pm each other. And for the love of root YES you can keep root if you take the ota and use rootkeeper and probably with supersu's survival mode, granted you know what your doing. The problem is you lose your custom recovery and this doesn't help the people who already took the ota.

I just started researching this today, so im not 100 % up to date. But I do recall that a certain version of cwm had an issue where it wouldnt wipe data after a certain ota on the gs3 because the partition was moved up. I dont know if it helps anything but thought id share...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bobby janow:
I did pay full price. They never gave me the unlock code.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ilkevinli:
Put me down for 25.00 for root/recovery and 50.00 for unlocked bootloader.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mikeyinid:
Sucks. The Tmobile and ATT S4 & One can run the GE bootloaders. Wish they'd work on the VZW versions as well.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Tada10:
Good lord...thats a nice bounty and prestige if someone can do this. Definitely will be recognized.

SDM frozen for now!

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] theresin:
It's not much, but..

Deleted.

See new post for updated offer.

Thanks.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Rebel908:
Just throwing it out there, maybe someone who is good at programming for android can work with this...

Reading Dan Rosenberg's blog about the exploit, he seemed to take advantage of the fact that aboot (the partition where the bootloader sits) has nearly identical code to Little Kernel. Further in it seems like the culprit is a check_sig command that is "supposed" to verify Samsung's signing key. Since his exploit is no longer working, I'm assuming logic would follow to say the check_sig exploit has been dealt with.

So either a whole new exploit is needed, or figuring out how to re-open the old hole is needed. Sorry if this isn't helping anyone I just wanted to throw it out there.

EDIT - Just read the information on the Samsung Knox sight. That may be what the exploit has to deal with

EDIT 2:

Just thinking out loud here. It seems that Samsung Knox is the culprit here, and that it looks like there is a 2 prong approach to what they are doing. The first issue is Secure Boot and the second being Trustzone-based Integrity Measurement Architecture (TIMA). Seems like bypassing one will bypass the other, although at the root of the cause most certainly may be TIMA.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Tsukasa Buddha:
Just when I put my iPhone up on eBay to embrace the freedom of Android, this happens.

$20.00 here.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] pstgh:
Count me in for $10

Go for it!

I'll agree to add $10 based upon the terms outlined above.

Thanks
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SmokeyMon:
I will kick in ten bucks on behalf of nitroglycerine33 and ten bucks for myself.

" these are not the droids you are looking for " - obi wan
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] asdecker:
$20 here....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] cd23murray:
I'm in

Just ordered an S4 (from swappa and can't be returned), coming from GNexus... and now this...argh!!

put me down for 15 for root/loki or 30 for a full out unlock
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Soldi3rxx:
My cousin brought one yesterday and his came with it but I also read on the forums that others didn't so it's a hit or miss
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] drunkfatjew:
I'm in for $25

Typed with my fat fingers on my Verizon Galaxy S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] garwynn:
Root update:

Getting folks the modem, kernel and ROM to the new version should be doable while keeping root.

Working on it as we speak - might do an Odin package first.

Those on ME7 (full update) will hopefully be able then to flash in Odin just a rooted ROM and keep root.

This is assuming Chainfire's SuperSU updates that fixed the last kernel still work.

First one is important as that will allow people to still flash if done right so I'll post progress as I can.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] s0m3f00l:
GO garwynn PUSH IT TO THE LIMIT.

I didn't upgrade and still have root but I'll still chip in 5 bucks. Why? Because I hate Verizon, Chadly, and all the people talking about losing root on a development and rooting website.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sshams95:
$25
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bobby janow:
In for $10.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
I tried making a prerooted tarball but failed on system.img.ext4 flashing. Now the bootloader even checks that partition for changes.

Main idea of this bounty is to get root or unlock for people that flashed the FULL update. People who haven't updated yet not as hard to keep root and just flash the rest of the partitions.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
I am not seeing any middle ground here. Probably a new root option will be super slap on the head simple, or so complex people will want to slap themselves many times on the head.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bfmetcalf:
I wish it was just as easy as Odin'g the old bootloader to the damn thing. Heimdall any more powerful than Odin for stuff like this, like maybe flashing the bootloader partition without checking if it's allowed to or not?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] djrbliss:
I wish you all luck in your neverending quest to find a root and bootloader exploit for every single build of every locked device in existence. Take a moment to consider whether this battle is sustainable, and be sure you weigh your priorities carefully next time you're tempted to buy a locked device.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
VZW offers the 32GB through the 12 month installment plan. That is whay I did. You have to order in a corporate store though, since you need to sign for the plan. Some have mentioned they were told only phones in store are for the 12 month plan, but this is wrong (phone can also be in stock at their direct ship warehouse). I kept unlimited and the phone delivered the next day.

Some store staff lie and say you can not since it is a little extra work for them ordering and shipping to your residence. Plus they do not get any commission for non contract purchases. Depends on the character of the store staff- good leader/manager = mainly good staff.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
Not to knock/criticize you guys, but I would think the "conversation" about it should be somewhere else. Openyoureyes is updating the thread constantly to keep the value on the front page accurate. Remember he has to read through all the banter just to get the values and names of donors. Just a courtesy suggestion.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] heyazzo:
That's your truth.

If Openyoureyes didn't Love what he does, he would find someone who does. Let's get back to work, folks. Good morning to all, and let's make it a great day.

Keep up the good fight for Open Source!!! Thanks.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
I may love what I do but work is still work. ;)

Not to say I don't want anyone to have a conversation here just as long as it doesn't stray from the original topic and is helpful to folks who may be working on such methods.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Agreed. Sorry. No more tangents, even if a trig question.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] heyazzo:
Put me in for 25$ USD. Of course both.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] heyazzo:
Maybe getting closer?

Try this? otacerts
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] yankzfan007:
Any update as to any progress of a new root method? Is anyone working on it that we know of?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Try it for what?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Root isn't the issue, issue is the signed boot and recovery partitions
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bajasur:
In no way am I requesting an ETA. Just curious if you are working on this or know anyone who is working on it.

Thanks again for all the hard work. It doesn't go unnoticed.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] snake2332:
Phew! Just got my S4 yesterday and was glad to find it was prompting to install an update (meaning it hadn't installed the evil update yet). GNEX owners that got it on day 1 like myself were eligible for a device upgrade starting yesterday (1 week early) at Costco. All the GS4's at Costco should still be on the older firmware, like mine.

Then again, Verizon might have offered early upgrades to people like they did for my wife. Her upgrade was still 3 months away and she wanted an S4, so I was going to give her my upgrade. I called Verizon and they were like "I could authorize an early upgrade on your wife's account since you've been a good customer since 2005". Sweet, I get to get a new phone too since I didn't have to give her my upgrade. I was going to wait for something with SnapDragon800 or Tegra4. Sounds like I could have called them up when the S4 released and upgraded right then, which would also get me going onto a new contract sooner and getting me to my next upgrade 3 months sooner....oh well! Now I know.

The irony for me right now is that the main reason I wanted root, other than I've always had root on all my Android devices, was to use FolderMount (or int2ext if it ever works) to get apps installed onto the SD card so I could avoid being limited to the measly 9gb of internal storage. The ironic part is that the update that breaks root & locks the bootloader also provides a method for putting apps on SD, hahaha. Regardless, I still need root for backups and custom ROMs and stuff.

Sorry for the somewhat off-topic babbling.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Unicorn512:
Function is the issue

That may be true for many users, but not for all. For me and I suspect some others (based on comments) the issue is day to day functionality. Using Nova Launcher, AdFree, and TiBkup, Root Exporer, etc. gives me all the functionality that I am after. Having a custom recovery is really only useful in furtherance of those goals (for me.)

I previously had a Moto D3 which had a locked boot loader and it was never unlocked (to my knowledge.) However, there was Safestrap which really made a difference. Here is how the developer described it. "Safestrap is a Bootstrap / Recovery for locked bootloader phones. The goal is to avoid touching your primary system (I’ll call this “stock” system) and only flash or make large changes to another place on your phone that Safestrap treats as a “2nd system” (in this case, it’s a series of virtual ROM slots located on the internal emmc area: “/sdcard”)."

This approach may be something worth pursuing if no way is found to unlock the SGS4.

I am not recommending this approach, only pointing out that it could be an option.

I am also willing to put $25 on the table as part of the "bounty".
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] R4NDR01D:
I'm in for $5 each.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
I know you weren't making a blanket statement like others who have said this, but to clarify, even if someone only wants root functionality, there's currently no way to make this happen for people who already have the update (without bypassing signing or downgrading), am I correct? Plus the actual bounties are for A. root + recovery, or B. fully unlocked bootloader.

Not to mention it's just absurd for there to exist such a nice phone with such a large following that's locked down like this. =(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Your post has no affect on my comment, I said it wasn't an issue, as it it is obtainable.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
You are not
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
Ah... well excuse me. Lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hlxanthus:
Then there IS a way to achieve root within the new update? I understood the only method to root within the new update was using a root keeper app and taking the ota).

Sent from my Galaxy S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
Since when? I thought people who took ota currently had no method to obtain root. Im not requesting it nor want it but just curious because I havent seen this mentioned.