yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
I thought of something else for you to try that_kid. Try to flash your Verizon phone with the HA00_140 radio ROM. That should tell us more about what the differences are between the two.

Wondering if it will:

a. work at all

b. work, but only connect to data @ 1xRTT

Also, here's a clue that perhaps the EV-DO components are in the Sprint device after all. Look for the hidden file in the Windows directory called PonHelp.exe. When you launch it you'll see the line "TECHNOLOGY: 1X-EVDO".

Not a slam dunk, but it is encouraging!

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] jazzrich9:
hmmm,

So here's a practical observation about vz and 1x. Even in the woods in the backwoods of upstate NY with only a single lonely bar on my phone service, my verizon 6600 speed tests at between 65-80kpbs. This is firmly in 1x land, but I'm wondering if that compares at all or is instructive as it relates to the sprint performance.

Also, is it possible that the network itself has to carry an evdo tag for the evdo rom. IE if you did flash my rom onto a different device, the reason its not working is THAT its not on VZW's network, and they're the only ones carrying the tag. Or basically the radio rom is only looking for that network, and it is blind to any non evdo tagged 1x network?

alright guys, this ends my crazy radio rom conspiracy theory for the day. (If it worked along those lines, there's no reason a talented coder couldn't develop a hybrid rom from this and the sprint radio rom and some other things, making the long awaited uber rom... but alas, I am not that guy.)
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] HDuser:
Hi Guys

Seems that you have opened a harrier club here.

As you have noticed we don't have much info on the harrier or CDMA devices on wiki.

Does one of you feel like PM me with some info so that I can update wiki?

Was thinking along the line of the the differnece of the radio, the issues that you have when reading this forum and my be a quick explanation of the differnces between GSM and CDMA and what ever EVDO is.

I am uploading the telstar rom, anybody know what model number this would be for?

I have updated wiki with your posts out of the List of Know thread.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
Can someone with Verizon do a ##786# (and that_kid please do that on your unbranded) and report the hardware version shown on the screen?

My PPC6600 is 0041.

Dan

P.S. @MDAIIIUser, yeah I will try to get some info together for the wiki. The Harrier was just released on Bell Mobility in Canada, so we may see more interest here on that unit as more countries get it (unfortunately no Europe though).
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
A chap at pdaphonehome.com (The most popular forum for the Harrier, but doesn't have the technical focus of xda-developers) posted the details of his Bell Mobility PPC-6600:

Windows Mobile Second Edition

Version 4.21.1088 (Build 14235.2.0.0)

ROM version: 2.04.00 WWE

ROM date: 01/26/05

Radio version: HA00_144

Protocol version: AA3.3.301

PRL version: 30378

ExtROM version: 2.04.116 WWE

Hardware version: 0041

Browser version: MSIE 6.0

Edit: to add he has model # PH20A2... and the device has the camera--so identical to the Sprint version except for the updated ROMs.

His post is here:

http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=326469#post326469

He indicated that Bell Mobility does not have EV-DO up and running yet but is currently testing it and plans to launch this year (just like Sprint).

His device has WMP10 (as its CE ROM is >2.0) and he does have a newer radio version than the latest Sprint one--but notice its at 00 level. I think, at this point, it is safe to conclude that 00 = 1xRTT networks, 01= EV-DO networks (which can obviously step down to 1x when needed.

jazzrich9--your theory is plausible also (to my mind, anyway--but that doesn't count for much! :)). But what about areas where VZW has no EV-DO coverage? Do you think the 1x signal also has some kind of tag that the phone's radio is looking for?

We've got quite a mystery here... will be fun to solve it.

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
Verizon XV6600(CAM) after the Telstra CE update:

Software Version: 2.03.00 WWE ;-)

Firmware Version: HA01_140

Hardware Version: 0041

Ehud
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
Thanks Ehud... so we know that the hardware version is 41 regardless of EV-DO... so I again fall back to the notion that if there were a hardware difference between the sprint/bell mobility and verizon/telstra models then we'd be able to see it reflected in the device info screens.

So... Ehud (or anyone else with an EV-DO Harrier)... if you're feeling adventurous, try to flash the 00_140 radio version using the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe utility. You'll need the PPC6600 ROM package from the Audiovox site to get the proper radio_.nbf.... beware, slow download:

http://www.audiovox.com/downloads/HA_SPCS_13600_113_00140_6600.exe

It would be very interesting to see what the results are of that test! Will the radio work at all? Can you connect via EV-DO? Enquiring minds want to know! :)

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
I'll be your huckleberry.

BTW, that patch has been on http://www.myehud.com since it came out :) MUCH faster downloads.

Ehud
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
The SPCS HA00_140 radio works fine in the XV6600 on VZW's network.

I realize that should be sufficient... but for the details:

Incoming calls with CLID, outgoing calls, and 1xRTT work great.

I am not in an EVDO area and so am unable to test this.

I am now downloading the HA01_141 from New Zealand Telecom :)

E
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
The HA01_141 from NZ unfortunately is not happy.

The original MA_update and HA_update don't like its radio_.nbf,

complaining that the checksum is wrong.

The HA_updates distributed with it like radio_.nbf just fine,

however after putting my device into the bootloader report

a connection error 102 and cannot do the update.

I am now restoring VZW's HA01_140.

Ehud
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
One last comment before bed. I brought my unit back to the 00_140 radio version and reflashed the sprint ext rom (though I didn't allow it to install itself). I ran the IOTA app from the extrom and set up the #777 connection. I connected to it successfully, and low and behold, no blue/black arrows (nothing at all in that spot). So the arrows and 1x/EV icon must be part of the extrom setup.

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
I will be in Las Vegas (EVDO) on Wednesday. I will try and take the necessary files and cradle with me to test.

The arrows were not blue and black. They were the typical VZW 1X logo and the regular (white) arrows.

I have gone through *every* CAB in the extended rom, and *every* registry setting it enters. There's not a thing there affecting connections other than putting in the connection manager settings. (CM_Entries.xml).

SPRINT does its provisioning over the air... so you won't find those particular files on your device.

I remain wondering where those icons are set...

E
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] HDuser:
Harrier users

I need some help with testing the new tool that allows us to use the type 2 encription roms (the ones that fail with bad header with the xda3nbftool.exe)

We have 4 roms on wiki that are harrier.

NZ Telecom WWE 1.35.00 1.35.117 HA01_141

Audiovox PPC6600 WWE 1.36.00 1.36.113 HA00_140

XV6600WOC WWE 1.35.00 1.35.115 HA01_140

I-Mate EVDO WWE 2.03.00 2.03.111 HA01_140

I need to know who can zap which of those roms for me.

Please chosse a rom that is not form your carrier.

You will need to flash your device with that rom, check to see if the falsh worked and if your can use your device as a phone.

Please state which rom you would like from above and what your operator id is.

I will then post the files on our wiki for you to pick up.

Will take a day or two to add harrier support.

Thanks
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
Hi MDAIIIUser,

Thanks for including us lonely Harrier users.. :)

I'd be happy to flash the NZ Telecom WWE 1.35.00 1.35.117 HA01_141 package to my Harrier. The HA01_XX radio versions don't work on my phone, but I have been able to flash them on no problem... I just don't get any service.

My operator code is 53500001 (yes the Harrier operator codes seem to be all numeric).

Let me know when you're ready.

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
I could try the new zealand rom or the sprint rom.

My normal one is verizon.

I am stupid and can't figure out how to get operator code. Looked in ##PST as well as Device info.

Ehud

p.s. FYI, the verizon phones use ##code[talk] not ##code#
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
Here you go Ehud:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=GetDeviceData

Dan

P.S. Please run that tool just to be sure, but I believe that Verizon's Operator ID is 56450001 (according to the last post on the 2nd page of the "List of know Blueangel, sold as, Model ID, Operator code ect" thread seen here:

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=15510&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
56450001 is still correct.

PH20A2 A2 WWE E 56450001 2.03.00 0 0 1.35.113 HA01_140

Ehud
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] HDuser:
Thanks

Need some more takers for the other 2 roms!

Am working on the create a nbf out of files so it will be a few days untill I can post the Upgrade files and nbf for you both.

I will change the header in to match your device.

On another note, Do you all still have problems with the unlock tool for the EXT Rom, if so what works, what does not and on what models.

Still a bit out of touch with the harrier devices, the NZ Telcom has no wifi, some of yoursalso have no camera. This makes swaping CE roms just a bit hard (as seen in the case of the siemens rom).

Still think that a wiki section would be of intreast for the few of you (hint)
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] that_kid:
I thought of something else for you to try that_kid. Try to flash your Verizon phone with the HA00_140 radio ROM. That should tell us more about what the differences are between the two.

Wondering if it will:

a. work at all

yes it does work

b. work, but only connect to data @ 1xRTT

That I don't know cause I don't have that one activated.

Also, here's a clue that perhaps the EV-DO components are in the Sprint device after all. Look for the hidden file in the Windows directory called PonHelp.exe. When you launch it you'll see the line "TECHNOLOGY: 1X-EVDO".

Ok I tried that and it shows the same thing as the verizon harrier. I also did ##786 on all 4 of my harriers and except for the unbranded harrier which gives me a DM error and no other info, all show the same hardware version which is very intersting. I begining to think that they are EvDO.

I'm also itching to get the bell south rom cause it has a higher radio version than sprint. It look like that radio rom should work just fine too..
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] that_kid:
MDAIII I'll try the imate rom on my Sprint branded harrier as those are the only one's I actually have service on. This comes at a good time too cause I was planning on flashing my main harrier so I could get WM10.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
Yeah the existing tools don't work for the any of the ROMs released for the Harrier (well, I tried er2003edit... let me know if you want me to try the DOS tool).

Yeah, none of the Harriers have wifi. And there are two versions, camera PH20A2 and without camera PH20A3.

Yeah yeah I'm working on it :)

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] HDuser:
Still lost on this.

I read a while back that the unlock tool works, well sort of that is. The guy from NZ managed to post his extended rom.

Can you confirm that, the link and how to is in the wiki kitchen under tools.

Flashed my first cooked exteneded (AS NBF) rom today out of cabs, its cool.

Now I can create my standard applications and flash them with the CE and radio. I could even add my operater customizing files and all I have to worry about is the patches for that rom.

Its looking good.

So please some feedback on the unlock tool so that I know what will or not work for you harrier people.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
What password should I be using? I tried 0x20040522 on a ms_.nbf but it didn't work... also tried HTC, 0x20040305, 0x25863614, and 921211 but none of those worked. I realize those are old passwords but I don't know of any new ones to try.

Someone released an app that runs on the harrier itself that can unlock the extrom--maybe he knows the passwords.

Did the guy from NZ just unhide his ext rom and copy the contents over to post it? After all it's not necessary to unencrypt the extrom .nbf if you can get it flashed to your device, right?

It is very cool to make your own custom ROM. I am still working on mine.

By the way, I have the contents of extrom from these Harrier versions:

Sprint 1.36.113 WWE

Telstra 2.03.111 WWE

Verizon 1.35.115 WWE

Do you want me to post them?

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] HDuser:
Don't need to unlock the nbf, they are all Type II and thus wont work with what you have. (thats what the new tool will do after harrier support has been added)

More wooied about the unlocking of the exteneded rom when installed on a harrier, here I am not sure if the tool works.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_ERK_Tools

Can you download the tool, and try it out.

That is what the NZ guy did, but he said he got an error while doing it. Think the unlock (change the Read only atribut) did not work.

As for posting EXT Roms, dump them in

ftp://xda:xda@ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Blueangel

We only have one cook in the kitchen so it could be a while before they get cooked, trust me on that!
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
OK... hey MDAIIIUser, this is the tool that I used on my Harrier to unlock and unhide my external ROM:

http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43114&highlight=extended+rom

In order to unlock extrom, it needs a password, right? Well I think the author of this program got the password figured out because the tool definitely works on Harriers.

OK I'll upload those extended ROMs later tonight. Let me know if you need anything else.

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] that_kid:
Ok I just tried unlocking the extended rom on my harrier with NZ telecom rom installed. I can unhide the extended rom but when I tru to unlock it I get "Error : FL_IOCTL_BDTL_HW_PROTECTION-A device attached to the system is not functioning." I have been able to unlock the extended rom with exttols.exe
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
SuperDave wrote the utility I use at http://www.myehud.com/ExtTools.exe .

The password is ReRrIaH (HaRrIeR) backwards for Verizon's extended rom.

Ehud
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] elkay:
Try this:

6285

Don't even remember where I read it and it may not even work. Too many late nights playing Beer Pong. :roll:
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
I'm in Las Vegas (an EVDO area) and cannot get the MA_...noid or the HA-... programs to work.

This is frustrating, because they worked fine on my "guest laptop" which I use for everything else, but not the "real laptop" which I travel with.

I am in Las Vegas. I have a USB cradle connected XV6600. I have the SPCS image and the VZW (xv6600woc) image. I have winrar. I have upgrade.zip. I cannot get any of these to work.

Nothing sees version info out of *any* of the radio_.nbf files, and none see any version info off the PPC either in normal, activesync, or bootloader mode.

Ideas welcome. I'm here till noon tomorrow (GMT-0700).

Ehud
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
Ehud,

I had that problem when I was just trying to move ROM images around, without the RUU files (and other stuff?) that they came with.

Have you already tried this:

1.Extract the official Sprint package.

2. Remove the nk.nbf and ms_.nbf files

3. Copy in the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe file

4. Reboot the computer? (optional but recommended)

5. Put the phone in bootloader mode (record + power buttons, plus soft reset)

6. Attach to the cradle and make sure it says USB. Computer should bong-bing

7. Run MaUpgradeUt_noID from the folder and cross your fingers.

If no go, try soft resetting the phone and once it loads to today screen, put it back on the cradle and run MaUpgradeUt_noID.

If it still doesn't work I guess there's something with the computer you're running it on. Try disabling all of the startup items (start-->run-->msconfig and uncheck all items on the startup tab). Then reboot and try try again!

I for one hope you get it working. With Sprint set to unveil its first EV-DO PRL soon (maybe tomorrow), your test of HA00 in an EV-DO area should let us know for sure whether HA00 is capbable of EV-DO.

Dan

P.S. The Black/Blue vertical arrows and 1x/EV icon are still a total mystery to me. A guy who has a Bell Mobility Harrier (running HA00 radio ROM) does get a 1x icon when data is connected, plus black arrows next to it when data is active. I had him hard reset and skip the extended ROM install and the 1x icon was still there afterwards but the black arrows wouldn't show up when he connected to #777.

So, I am firmly convinced now that the 1x/EV/null icon has something to do with the carrier-specific information programmed into the CDMA radio (notice that Bell Mobility uses the exact same ROM as Sprint, HA00_140). We know it's obviously not in the CE ROM, it's not in the extended ROM, and seemingly not in the radio ROM. So the hooks must be there for the phone's carrier to decide what is displayed there (if anything). Edit: Actually, I take that back. Bell Mobility uses HA00_144. But Ehud I think when you flashed HA00_140 the first time you noticed the 1x was there. Had you done the extended ROM install or skipped it?.

The Blue/Black arrows thing is more mysterious. That has something to do with running the extended ROM apps. I cooked my own extended ROM (and kept a lot of the Sprint contents) but I am no longer getting the vertical arrows when I make a data call. I'm going to do a backup and hard reset a bunch of times enabling one cab at a time to see if I can figure out where that gets set.

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
So furstrating.

I cannot get this thing to do anything. I suspect it's a laptop problem but can't imagine why and safe mode doesn't help.

No matter what exe I run it won't put this thing in bootloader mode... and if it's in bootloader mode it isn't being recognized.

It is, however, synching, and charging, so the cradle hardware checks out.

Help?

E
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
Hmmm... well what OS is it?

Did you already try msconfig and disabling all of the startup items in there? I wouldn't expect safe mode to help because I don't think the USB subsystem is turned on in that mode? Correct me if I'm wrong.

You could also try going into device manager and reinstalling the drivers for your USB controller(s), root hubs, and anything else that looks like it might have something to do with it.

Do you have more than one USB port on the laptop? If so, try the other one.

Uhhhhh... buy a serial cradle?

\___bottom of barrel___/

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
As a pleasant aside, I found the registry entry that turns on the pretty blue/black arrows for data transfer.

Incidentally, I tried flashing Verizon's extended ROM and the arrows did not show up. Sure enough, this entry is not in the Verizon Platformxxx.reg file within the Customize.sa.cab. So, I dunno how Verizon users are getting their data transfer arrows.

Here's the magical reg entry:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\PhoneExtendFunction\Notification]

"3GMsg"=dword:80000017

It's a dword, so it could have a bunch of different possible values. I wonder...

Ehud, check your registry under that key and see if you even have a 3GMsg value there... I doubt it very much, since it is not in the CE ROM and apparently not in the VZE Customize.sa.cab.

And if it's not there, try to put it there (make sure you specify it with the hex radio button selected). Reboot and try connecting to see if you get the blue/black arrows.

In the event you can't get your ROM flashed this would at least give you something to do (of course, you are in Vegas... nothing to do there! :D).

I'm just glad to have my arrows back. I've added that back into my cooked extended ROM.

Dan
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
3GMsg not there.

SMSMsg there with value 0x800000003

Changed it to ...17

added 3GMsgs with 0x80000017

No change in arrows :(

E
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] luv2chill:
Interesting... I would blame the radio ROM, but Telstra uses the same ROM HA01_140 and that entry is in their customize.cab.

Actually, now that I think about it, I did not have any success adding the entry by hand via Resco. I simply re-ran my changed customize.cab and soft resetted and that did it.

Here is a cab file that only has the one entry in its platformxxx.reg file (I promise! You can download CAB manager and check it out if you want to).

So remove the 3GMsg entry if it's still there and then run this cab file and soft reset. Then try connecting and see if you get the arrows.

Dan

P.S. I take it no luck on the radio flashing? Bummer. When is the next time you'll be in Vegas? :)
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] gavron:
1. Ran the CAB. Rebooted. No change.

2. Deleted both values. Rebooted. No change.

3. Ran the CAB. Rebooted. No changes.

In each case I ran PHM Regedit and verified that it was doing

what it was expected to do. (In other words, started with both

being there from previous testing... went to none being there

from my manual deletion... to one being there from your cab

file.)

No change in any event to the arrows, theirbehavior, or the

EVDO logo.

I will be in Vegas again in a couple of months. If we can figure

out a way to flash the radio today prior to 11am (GMT-0700)

that would still be optimal.

E
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] that_kid:
I had that problem myself at some point during my flashing marathon. I don't know exactly what cleared it up but I rebooted the computer, deleted the stuff I had extracted then did everything from scratch again. That worked for some reason. It would be really nice to see if the 00 rom will work with evdo, I contacted audiovox and they confirmed that the two are different BUT it sounded like the guy was just looking at a general spec sheet. I took apart two of my harriers (the verizon one and the unbranded audiovox one) and everything is the same. They both have the same baseband radio as well as radio rom chip. The only thing I can think of is that either they are locking the radio via a resistor(very common) or they are locking it via some software in the rom that doesn't get shipped with the updates.