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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ogredeschnique:
Yes it does. Read below.

You could say that. I know that Samsung "isn't" Motorola, but beneaththewaves (dot) net/Projects/Motorola_Is_Listening.html?source=hn this kind of thing is somewhat minimized when you have more control over your ROM, or rather when it comes from the community who is much less likely to build evil into the bits.

In other nations (read Europe), until recently, you could just use your data however you wanted. Not sure how that's going lately. Couldn't find anything other than phandroid (dot) com/2010/05/20/not-so-fast-tethering-will-ultimately-be-at-the-discretion-of-the-carrier/#comment-171104662 comments from 3 years ago about it. Didn't look that much, I just remember hearing about this great land where you bought bandwidth/a number of bits and you could just -use- them. The link I posted above in reference to evil being built in, even though the first thing that most people do is sign into google who is apparently a contributor to a recent three letter agency observation scandal, one really does have more control over a device that one has purchased when it has a custom ROM on it. Whether or not it's "illegal" or "wrong" or it's a security breach from their perspective, I feel better, safer, more secure, knowing that I can use this technology however I like so long as I am not harming anyone. Our data speeds are among the slowest in the world compared to some areas. They're getting their money out of me, I know that much.

I pleadge $100 for root&recovery and whatever other freedoms can be reclaimed for myself and others from my contribution. And I don't even have this phone, yet.

It really is a small price to pay compared to my monthly bill stacked up month over month. I guess if we all really didn't like the carriers, we'd just put them down. Not likely to occur though, is it?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
Yeah this is true. However as each donator pays their dues they can get the link to the exploit . I think anyone who donates won't wanna throw it out there as they are invested to the progress at this point.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Delakit:
I think we should all be more worried about gaining root. :P
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ytwytw:
Just saying if the root method is working for all the devices, that makes sense

OTA root keeper method doesnt help for those people like me who already did the update and stuck now :/ :silly:

Waiting for bootloader unlock, the real way to unlock a device :p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Hey guys take a look here (we might have someone interested):

https://twitter.com/sxtpdevelopers/status/355891443623145472

[MENTION=4194834]garwynn[/MENTION] any thoughts?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] garwynn:
Well, I did say I need a Verizon S4.... ;) Didn't say it had to be active.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Anyone willing to assist? :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mikeyinid:
Thats kinda ****!y bro...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BeansTown106:
i personally dont trust buying him a s4 with everything that was pulled as of late, now if it was [MENTION=2918486]Ralekdev[/MENTION] [MENTION=3682533]AdamOutler[/MENTION] or even [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] i would have no problem with it because they have all proved capable of the task at hand and are all trustworthy.

my honest opinion i wish [MENTION=2918486]Ralekdev[/MENTION] would take the task and get the free phone as well :) hes done alot of great work unlocking devices for this community and deserves the phone.

i dont mean this to be rude [MENTION=4194834]garwynn[/MENTION] but he has flaunted having root for the phone and multiple leaks and everytime me or [MENTION=3313404]open1your1eyes0[/MENTION] say anything he laughs and says he doesnt do things like that anymore
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] topolovich:
This was on my birthday last year. Talk about a present.

As far as the G4 goes, this sucks. I didn't take the update so I still have everything, but the very fact that Verizon is so against this is terrible. It goes against everything Android is supposed to be. From this day forward, I will fart in every Verizon store that I see. I will just walk in, let one go, maybe give the people there the finger (this is optional), and then stomp out like an idiot.. Shame is not in my vocabulary...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] garwynn:
(Edited from original)

I'm certainly not trying to limit options to myself or others I'm associated with.

At least one of the 3 mentioned may be working on it - and may already have a test device.

So again - talk amongst the others and see what you want to do.

One way or another I'll probably get one, just a matter of how much and how soon.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
For the record, I have nothing against [MENTION=4194834]garwynn[/MENTION]. His past work definitely speaks for his credibility. If I had the funds I would personally get you a test device. :good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BeansTown106:
i dont either, i was just stating my .02 on the whole sxtp thing hes been doing on twitter for the past month talking about leaks, early aboots, root methods for new ota. and then laughing at people as soon as someone tweets him in response to it. just funny how fast people change thier mind when moneys involved
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mikeyinid:
Eh. Yea beans ive seen that time and time again. And im with you. You're not taking shots at anyone just stating truth. Respect
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Delakit:
You all deserve a free S4 for the simple fact that the last 5 posts didn't turn this entire thread into a flame-pit as any other forum would've in one. Lol. Good to finally see some maturity on the internet. Wonder how cold it is outside. Pretty sure hell just froze over. Maybe it was just TiB. Lol.

...sent from my Galaxy S4 ME7 - Rooted :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] garwynn:
FWIW I've been nagging Sextape to prod sources for a while. They've wanted to lay low since S4 release not only in part to the dust up but on Sprint side they've seemed to draw attention. Got so bad that every local Sprint reseller I knew had their access limited to Samsung builds as well - basically going here or Kies for whatever they could and then sending the rest to a corp store. Even Sprint guys are telling me they are having hard time getting stuff from Samsung - S4 builds made it out here before it got to Sprint from what I heard.

So on that side please remember that anything that DOES come out often does attract attention. The more they prod and leak stuff out... the more likely it's going to get harder and harder to come by.

Point noted and will be passed on.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shortstuff_mt:
Even though money is very tight right now due to Government furloughs, put me down for $10. I'm all about sticking it to Verizon any way I can. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
I am considering making a list of bounty candidates currently working on trying to fulfill each bounty (separately). Do you guys think that's a good idea? What requirements should there be to be added to the candidate list?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
That's messed up, especially if someone already devoted much time and effort in accomplishing this. What if everyone did the same thing and withdrew their $$? :cool:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Not allowing it anymore, that was the only exception. See new disclaimer point #4.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
Catching up on some reading. You're telling me some Dbag pledged money, then found out he can keep root with the OTA and reneged? What a jerk! How about all the upcoming phones that will be sold with the update? How about all you PAST and CURRENT phone that got you root? You think you are entitled to that because someone else took the time to not only find the exploits, but put them into convenient step by step instructions for us to follow to make our lives easier?

He should be charged double! Just a side question. I see there are two bounty lists......one for root and one for boot loader. I originally pledged $10. Does that mean I pay $10 for the root, and another $10 for the bootloader (if/when it happens). I'm ok with that, I just got confused.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Nope. Bootloader bounty includes root/recovery as well, where as root bounty is only root/recovery. Whichever comes first gets the bounty. Hence why everyone is added to both lists automatically. Hope that clarifies how this works. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
Should I create a thread in AT&T forum or not?

Want to get as much money on the table as possible.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Tada10:
I went and put my phone back to stock and decided this boot and root was not my thing. If that helps everyone go to sleep better at night. I do appreciate all your efforts.

Stock and OTA no root. I didn't use any special roms. My root was only for adblocker and goggle wallet which I used once in McDonald's.

:rolleyes:

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 318sugarhill:
Yep. Thanks. In that case, bump me up to $20.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
You have my official approval for creating it. The more exposure the better. :good:

Just make sure to specify that yours is specific for the AT&T version, but when it comes time most likely the same method will work on both and the candidate can collect both bounties once proven working on both devices.

Updating now
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] topolovich:
Put me down for $20 to counteract the one donor leaving. If it helps, and if anyone has an account to use, I would give it now (can be used towards a test device for a dev or something). I'm not sure if that is an option, but either way, I am in for $20.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BeansTown106:
LOLOL this is very true and its very good we all handled it maturely. :) :highfive:

that does make alot of sense they did leak an absolute ****ton of sprint s3 roms over the past year. i was starting to get jealous on the amount of leaks sprint was getting compared to us verizon s3 guys :/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
If this post becomes about buying a dev a phone before work is proofed, then I will close it. Those kinds of bounties are not allowed here.

I have the phone, I flashed the new firmware, bootloaders at all. I have tried loki, but the loki'd kernels and recoveries will no longer boot.

Just sit tight. People are working on it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
A leak is not going to work in this situation, based on how the unlock is determined in the bootloader. Best hope would be the ability to downgrade as far as a leak goes, but if we could downgrade we would just flash original bootloader and go back to loki. Multiple things are preventing the downgrade, some of them are not likely "breakable".
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Poor idea, just run it and wait.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] kcl71:
Add me to the list, $25 for each bounty.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
I agree with Jcase lets all just chill it's only been like 3 days if that
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
Just joined xda and gonna earn some n00b point here by pledging. :p Put me down for $20 first method achieved.

Also, anyone working on it who may see this, I'm looking to get into this stuff as time/family allows, so I'd be glad to vShoulder surf and help where able.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] blefendic:
I will try this.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] iwearthebelt:
Just wondering how payment will be made? I'm assuming through PayPal? Never had a PayPal account but opened one and loaded cash into it just for this purpose. Probably a good account to have anyway.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mrtruckincowboy:
PayPal is always good to have especially for this you don't have to supply anything personal just donate and go
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tkacer:
Put me in for $25.00 (for the Samsung Moment owners left stuck in Éclair!)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] moldmaker1:
Put me in for $25 for either bounty.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
in the past, on bounties ive collected, i had request amazon gift cards. Far better than paypal, dont lose a % and well amazon has diapers and baby clothing lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
Moment is unlocked, flash recovery with odin :p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] heyazzo:
Getting close?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201147968477887&l=05ce5177c8

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201147967997875&l=fb50501dd7

So, custom? help? This is not a fluke.

First, I want to find my backup for su from voodoo... then take my crack at it....

Where does the voodoo app put the backup of su after the kies update?

Blow the Qfuse!

http://blog.azimuthsecurity.com/2013/05/exploiting-samsung-galaxy-s4-secure-boot.html
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nnnnr14:
Interesting.....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] noobnl:
Don't buy a locked device, they gave you the option to buy a dev device and you are playing a cat and mouse game with verizon and samsung.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mayze23:
We chose the option to donate to unlock the locked device.....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
This isn't a option for most people,not to mention the dev device does not even come with a warranty
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jettadieselguy:
I would think that's a good idea. The more the better

Hyperdrive 5.7 Beast
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 808phoneaddict:
Yup, still out of stock, most people can't just return their stock device when the developers Edition comes in. Not an option for most people.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] niv3d:
Most people don't have the money to buy a "Dev Device". At least I sure don't.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] r_hippy:
Read a bit and you'll be rooted but no RECOVERY

be warned

Worked I tested it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] r_hippy:
If you did it with kies

It's gone.......
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] yofife2069:
Maybe just throwing dust in the wind. If I were to make a back up of root, using voodoo, on my phone. Then made it available to someone who took the update. would they be able to restore root with my back up?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Naddict:
Nothing will be deleted folks, the words are those of suggestion, spoken by a Recognized Developer who understands the Developers Code they have to abide by here in XDA. Choose to follow those words or not, it really doesn't matter. But, if you do not, and you have issues, at least someone who knows a little bit about things offered the warning.

That is how I look at it, advice to think about, or not.

That being said, there was no disrespect intended nor was the post offensive, so let's get back on the subject and move on.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] wtherrell:
And : only 16Gb. And : Indefinite backorder.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Ryno77:
I wondered about this too. I don't know a lot about this stuff but if you could get a "system dump" (that might be the wrong terminology) of a rooted me7 S4 and "make" it into a flashable odin file it would be like flashing stock with root????????
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tkacer:
Rooted you are correct (can only go to Froyo tho - no GB ROMs were ever released that you could use as a DD).

Stock, you're stuck @ 2.1
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] r_hippy:
I have stock rooted ME7.

Tell me how to dump it and make a odin file.

I'll be more than happy to host it
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Ryno77:
I don't know how to do that :). I'm sure the people who do have either tried it or will try it.

Might need custom recovery to do this?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DarkMenace:
Screenshot?

Proof?

Show the root working and then the about phone info
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] brycekerr:
What does he have to prove? He doesn't have a method of gaining root. He is just trying to help lol

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DarkMenace:
I'm in to help. PM sent
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
I made a prerooted ODIN file a while back but the new bootloader prevents you from flashing any modified system image that isn't signed by a Samsung signature.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DarkMenace:
I know but I want to see the proof he actually has it working on ME7. I find it unlikely.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Ryno77:
It is working for others too. Using rootkeeper before updating saves root. It's not a way to root ME7.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DarkMenace:
ODD, I have OTA Rootkeer always used it wonder if it would work.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Ryno77:
A few people have reported keeping root when updating via the OTA but you lose everything else....after reading the reports regarding the update, it's not worth it to me.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DarkMenace:
$25 for the better cost Count me in.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] r_hippy:
I hate taken this thread off topic.

Back to the topic on hand

Thanks
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DarkMenace:
Looks good but might be risky if it doesn't work. I think I'll keep my fota folder blocked.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] r_hippy:
Exactly. You get a rooted device. Only No method to root from catch. But if you do it right ota works. I thing besides being complete stock other than ota superSu Busybox. Make surely if your pushed superuser.apk to system apps this may fail.

Be warned no more crack flashing!

---------- Post added at 08:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:00 PM ----------

If you search from my posts you'll see why I did this. I have 2 kids with s4's and they did not need root so if it failed it did not matter. I did it so no one will risk losing there rooted s4

As i am still rooted with MEK. Running CR. No Reason to take a ota. Scotts updates are night and day over Verizons..

---------- Post added at 08:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:06 PM ----------

Was prerooted. If I can dump this its was not prerooted it will have the signature? No
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] d.ouyang:
I'm in for $30.

Sent using Tapatalk 4 Beta
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Delakit:
I also have root on ME7 as stated in my signature and numerous posts. It was pretty easy and really not a big deal. Believe it or not... I'm rooted. Sorry and isht.

...sent from my SCH-I545 ME7 Rooted using xda app-developers app
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bloodcrav:
Im in for $20.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Southern_mind:
Yeah but can you unroot and then root again? No. Can you flash a rom? No. That's what this thread is about so if you are going to be rude just go somewhere else.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Rizon216:
I'm in for $20, paid via either PayPal or Amazon Gift Card.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Delakit:
LMMFAO @ some of you today. Are you upset that some of us decided to retain root with the OTA because we felt like it? My response was a reply to those people on here that don't believe some of us retained root while taking the OTA. How in the hell is my previous post in any way, shape, or form being rude? Get a clue, bud. Nobody EVER said anything about unrooting and rooting again or flashing a ROM or making false claims. Not that I care, but my apologies on behalf of your misunderstanding, assumptions, and bunching up of the undies. No pouting.

...yours truly.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] theresin:
To this point, I've been pretty impressed with the conduct within this thread - the fact that it hasn't fallen into a pit of flames is outstanding.

In light of the more recent discussion that has popped up (within this thread), I would urge people to go back and read everything before they veer off topic - or worst yet, before they take the OTA and find that keeping ROOT does not mean they'll have the ability to flash recoveries/roms/etc. Do your homework.

Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Southern_mind:
I Have Root
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] heyazzo:
Now let's show the rest of the class...

Where? What?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Southern_mind:
What I meant is I haven't updated. So I'm good for now.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Based on lack of progress, it might not bode well for the S4 and its future dev base would quickly dwindle, based on the current rooted users.

The apparent reality of exploits and rooting is like a crime scene- The first 48 hours is the most critical. Not saying two days and no result means done, but that as each day passes, the less likely a stable solution to the lock down will happen,
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
I have the same bad feeling but hope we're wrong. I took the update before having a chance to root/rom and I'm pretty upset that I'm stuck with stock bloated TW right now. The phone has awesome potential, but what good is sweet hardware if you can't unleash it?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hsup11:
I know the feeling the guy at verizon while i was buying it yesterday updated it for me... very frustrating when it wasnt even my own fault
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
You need to relax developers have lives and this is not a priority its a want. They will exploit it when there good and ready to.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
First 48hours critical? B.S. This isnt a murder.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] r1ndr3w:
I'm in for $15
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sporty377:
+1.... ppl need to chill.... i didnt update but..i might just cause of the apps to sd and fixes alot of the lag....yes i hate the bloat that coms with it but it was the phone i choose to buy. now with that being said tw isnt that bad...it isnt great but it aint that bad like others are. now i do hope the find a way to root/bootloader unlock. and if they dont...they dont. the devs do alot for us as it is. so please stop with the negitivity.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Perhaps you did not read after that short sentence.

My S4 works great and Foxfi works, but would have been nice with a Google Edition rom on the 32GB model :) Sans all Samsung and Verizon bloat.

Added: They did "kill" root though.

Sporty, fair point!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
I don't think he was being negative or picking on developers, nor was I. I think he was just saying that it was apparently locked up pretty tight, and hoping a solution actually exists. As for me, I'm with you; this was the phone I chose to buy. But I chose it because it's an animal. Personally I don't care about smart scroll or whatever, though I do appreciate the innovation; I like simplicity and speed. And neither of those things describe Touchwiz :p
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
They did not "kill root". I did read, and you are wrong. I am stating this on experience of the past, and knowledge of the present.

They patched a couple vulnerabilities in the bootloader. They killed loki, and prevented some downgrading. (patching security vulnerabilities is a good thing people, gotta say that before I hear a gripe train following my post)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sporty377:
lol.... i see ur point... i just feel some(not all) people expect it to happen like now. i just wish i knew a 1/4 of stuff that devs do. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jcase:
I do feel he is being a bit negative, but my gripe was more about spreading false info that just hurts the process than the negativity.

System partition alone is 2.3gb, before disassembling anything. Once just the dalvik parts are disassembled it balloons to 6.3gb. Not mentioning kernel, trustzone nor bootchain. Thats a lot to dig at.

Now were at a point where we need multiple vulnerabilities to accomplish our goal, and have a lot to look at. vulnerabilities leading to root needs to be found, exploit needs to be written, tested and made stable. Then a vulnerability that would allow booting unsigned images needs to be found (harder than getting root IMO), exploit written, tested, and made stable. Then the authors need to decide if they want to release immediately, or wait for all affected devices to be in the same situation (Verizon and AT&T are not the only locked ones, don't forget about DoCoMo, japan). I would hold out for all affected.