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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] shabbypenguin:
apologies, what i mean was eveyr 6 months you get an upgrade on the new tmobile plans
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] cordell12:
put me down for $10 loki or $20 for full on bootloader
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] brizey:
That is kick ass.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Added!

Thank you for your contribution sir. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] an21281:
Even though I am still rooted and havent updated, I will donate $20.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bigryanb:
Please put me down for 10/root 20/unlock. Thanks.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bfmetcalf:
I'm gonna go with the same $10 root/loki $20 unlock.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] yankzfan007:
I'm gonna go with the same $10 root/loki $20 unlock.:highfive:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lycwolf:
I had just bought my phone a day ago. Didn't check here first, and updated. So, yeah... I'm half tempted to get a Windows phone. BTW, I upgraded from the S3, so it was a bit of a shock that the S4 is so broken as far as the modding end is concerned.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
I think bottom line is any device from Verizon is going to be locked down. Unless we buy developer models.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] richardawood:
Odin

Is there any way to hack or rewrite Odin to change the blacklist?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Developer versions are the way to go on VZW. Then you won't be in this situation. I'm leaving VZW this year for a carrier that is more agreeable to more open devices. I plan on getting an S4 GPE when I make the switch. The benefit of paying full retail price is that I'm not locked into a contract with the carrier. Win win.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tech-ninja:
count me in for $10
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidstyle:
at&t is starting to follow suit and lock devices now. however if the note3 gets a exynos processor, then i believe it will have a much better chance of getting unlocked. AO and crew have unlocked every exynos device they have got thier hands on. However if the note3 gets a qualcom, i might jump ship in 2014 to T mobile. Thier 4g coverage is getting alot better so I could probably roll with it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
For their consumer devices they are indeed locking them but two things make AT&T better IMO. First, they allow GPE and Nexus devices. And second they don't mess with Google's ability to update those devices. So you can bring your own unlocked device to AT&T and let Google update it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Donator lists updated

Can always hold out for the developer editions. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tee00max:
New to the S4 so I will gladly give $20
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mayze23:
True but how many developers have the dev edition? I might be wrong but it looks like most of the devs here are developing for the locked s4.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Of course for developers that are developing for non-developer edition users there's little point but from the perspective of using it as a personal device without worrying about losing root/recovery down the line it is much more worth it. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not at all saying we should give up (that is the LAST thing I would ever say), just making a personal note on the matter of leaving Verizon just because you can't own a device with root/recovery on it. Dev editions are always there and worst case you can stick with a Galaxy Nexus (kidding of course :silly: ).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] markwebb:
I don't think any! However, it did sell out the very first day it went on sale in just a few hours. Moreover, I think a few users got giddy and overconfident about the LOKI patch, etc feeling confident and decided the Dev $ was too much...and well, you know what happened..we are now here. :eek: Unless someone is hiding and holding out. ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
And they won't update their devices with an OTA, so, they're still developing on a "locked" S4 with Loki still working. That helps those with a developer device just as much as those running a consumer device with Loki.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] markwebb:
True, but aren't they forever stuck on an older build and can't incorporate kernel changes and such if recovery can't be initiated on the newer build? Wouldn't the ROM changes be all cosmetic as pointed out earlier in this thread? Just sayin..and trying to rationalize wrap my head around this.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Not if they're building the kernel from source.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] markwebb:
Gotcha..and thanks, btw, my Bionic is still kicking thanks to you. :victory:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidstyle:
I believe thats what the carriers are going to force folks that want to mod thier device into. that way there is no more warranty claims for user error...I can not really blame them. Its not like the old days where folks actually read, asked questions, then flashed. Now its "help i bricked my device" because the user did not properly read and research what they were attemtping to do.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Anyone with a

rooted

device (who kept it using Voodoo or another method through OTA) on full stock VRUAME7 interested in testing something regarding the bootloader for me please PM me.

Only if you are rooted after getting the VRUAME7 OTA.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bhp090808:
You updated list but I think you missed my increase.

BEAST......... that is all
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Sorry about that. Lots of posts to read through here. Thanks for checking. Updated! :good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dougshepard:
Count me in

$20 for the Root and Recovery Bounty

An additional $10 for the Bootloader (so $30 total in this case)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] r_hippy:
I can test it when I get home if someone doesn't get back to you before hand.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Donator lists updated

PM sent
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
^^^^^ Hopefully a good sign :p

Please update my pledge to $40 for full unlock.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jeromeh:
I'm in for $10 for Root & Recovery and $20 for Full bootloader.

:)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Kind of a subjective "least of the two evils" issue. For me, I would rather have a device with more internal storage and warranty support, rather than a dev phone. Now, if I could get a dev version with 32GB, that is different. I do not like apps2sd and prefer my micro card for media & game roms only. I waited almost two months for this device, just to get a 32GB.

The S4 as stands works fantastic and good battery life, but no telling what bloat Verizon may add to muck it up. They recently $crewed the S3 up rather badly. A rooted device that at least affords NO updates and kill bloat is better than nothing for me :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Completely agree. At least with root you can get rid of some of the bloat. But for me, that's the whole point. I don't want carrier or mfg bloat....I want the google experience. And I got it. I just ordered an S4 GPE and am switching to AT&T. Yea, 16 gigs only but bootloader and sim unlocked. I can do a BYOD option and go month to month on a 6 gig share everything plan. Google will update my phone when new OS versions are out (KLP anyone?) as they'll do next week with 4.3, and I have no bloat or other nonsense to worry about. I can install root easy enough. Best of all worlds IMO. I'm not locked down to a carrier, so, if they make me angry, I can switch and keep my device without an ETF. Expensive? Yes, but, piece of mind isn't usually free.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Sim-X:
Add me to the list, $50 for full, $20 for root/recovery
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] DaddyMacCadillac:
Source code?

Hey y'all. While I have little experience in Android development, I'm a Java developer of 13 years and would like to see what I can do to help. Does anyone have the source code for this bootloader and/or the entire update as well as a diff of the changes made? Id there another thread for technical talk on this? Thanks in advance.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jova33:
Oh shoot, put me down for $50 for full unlock.

I think the root & recovery MAY be possible, but I don't think the full unlock is possible. I'll pay $50 for someone to prove me wrong though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Unfortunately as per disclaimers in OP you cannot submit for only one bounty. I have to put you down for both lists but you only have to pay for one (whichever comes first). You CAN however include a lower price for root/recovery bounty. If this is okay please let me know and I'll add you to the lists.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jova33:
Ah. I need to read better. $20 for root + recovery, $50 for full unlock
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Donator lists updated

Who's going to be the one that tips root+recovery at 2k? ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] TTcell:
I will, put me down for $30.00 :)

What pisses me off, is I accidentally selected the OTA upgrade when I meant to decline/cancel it and now I've lost Titanium Backup plus other things. :(

--

Terra
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] prstorero:
I'll do $30 for both to break the mark :)

prshosting.org
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Cruiserdude:
So do you know if it's actually a blacklist in one of the secure partitions of the device itself that rejects Odin's attempt to flash it, or is it a whitelist that only allows builds signed with a newer key than MDK uses, or is it something else entirely?

I know that there's some sort of daemon on the phone itself that allows Odin to work, which is why it is in fact possible to brick it to where it will not engage download mode. I'm just thinking that if there's any method OTHER than a whitelist that only allows Samsung's newer key, there's got to be some method to trick that daemon into allowing Odin to flash MDK boot chain files and at least go back to the Loki method. Or who knows, maybe we'll eventually see engineer bootchain files, and this would allow us to flash them to achieve the same unsecured status we have on the S3.

Maybe I'm just blowing smoke, but I'm trying to grasp specifically how the phone prevents us from downgrading. Also, what's the point of that? Don't see how it affects Knox, as you can get any unencrypted data you want with root over adb, and if it's encrypted then flashing an unsecure bootchain isn't gonna help you get the key. I don't know, but I'm holding out hope that Samsung throws us a bone again if nothing else is found. They can't have forgotten how they got so popular in the Android world. Can they?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sokrboot:
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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BeansTown106:
what happens if root+recovery is released and then someone different releases a full unlock?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
We send the Mob to collect the funds from the prior winner.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sokrboot:
I cant give you what you need but once you get the source code and stuff check out blog.azimuthsecurity.com/2013/05/exploiting-samsung-galaxy-s4-secure-boot.html

This will give you a great view of how the first exploit was obtained by the guy who actually found it.

Sent from my SCH-I545
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Dubbsy:
I'll send to both. :good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] s4noob:
I am definetly new to this rooting/flashing stuff..... I am rooted running clean rom now. Should i take any steps to insure i dont get the update?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
No, you should take the update, and then contribute to the bounty :D. I'm kidding DO NOT do that lol (the first part anyway).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sokrboot:
Im gonna DIE if [MENTION=5299356]s4noob[/MENTION] actually takes the update! Bwahahaha
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Donator lists updated

Based on people's requests I can do one of two things:

Scenario 1

(Most likely): I can keep the unlock bounty running afterwords and those people that made a contribution of higher price on the unlock bounty, I can change the cost to the price difference between the two bounties and make that the new contribution for the unlock bounty. And those people that made the same price between the two bounties I'll just remove and they can make a new contribution later if they choose.

Scenario 2

(Least likely): I can keep the unlock bounty running afterwords and keep all the prices the same.

Scenario 3

: I can close the bounty thread entirely and people can start a separate one for unlock bootloader later on if they feel the need is required.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
I'd feel really awful about myself if that happened, lol.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] r_hippy:
No worries Scott has it all taken care of. The latest will not take the ota but be careful hooking up to your rig (computer)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dligon:
I can unlock it for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY please pay in small unmarked bills.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] s4noob:
Thanks i thought i read something along those lines..... I am a noob but not a RETARD [MENTION=2854160]snyderbrad01[/MENTION] :laugh:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rajat12345:
If i could I would, http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/weir...on-Pennsylvania-Chris-Reynolds-215975061.html
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ViperGeek:
Put me in for $60 for Root & Recovery.

Put me in for $75 for Full Bootloader.

Yes, I like round numbers. :D

- Dave
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
I can't blame them either if this is truly the case, but what would be a smarter option is to use the qfuse technology to tear the metaphorical "void sticker" in the device if it is modified, rather than using it to lock the device down. That way they can *NOT* be Nazis and they can still tell if someone is trying to warranty a device that they bricked themselves.

Also, a friend brought to my attention that they could be trying to lock you out of things like Google Wallet so you use their in-house apps that you probably get charged for, but isn't that technically a monopoly, which shouldn't be condoned anyway? I don't know, if any of this is even part of their big picture, but it really is a shame that they try so hard to make people conform. If more companies took Google's stance and adopted trends and changes, things like this wouldn't happen. Just like how the cable companies fight digital media so hard. Why fight it? If Time Warner Cable developed a Plex plugin so I could pay my regular cable bill but have the HTPC flexibility I wanted, I'd pay for that all day long rather than try to rig up some janky way to make things work. Off topic, I know but same principles IMO.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Antdagod:
How's it going everybody, I'm new to this... very new, but! I'd very much like to get in on the action. I don't know how to go about donating but, I'd definitely like to contribute $50 to the Full Bootloader Unlock + Root/Recovery Bounty. I'm fully aware of the benefits of a rooted device and with the steps given I would have no problem rooting my galaxy s4. So it's only right that I help those who are working hard on finding a solution to this new update. The weird thing is, when I woke up the update had already been installed on my phone; I didn't actually confirm it. I grabbed my phone, turned the screen on and seen I had a notification saying that the update was installed successfully. But again, I want the freedom of a rooted device, so put me down for $50. I don't know how the money is collected but I have $50 to donate.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
I can do this. Infact I have a system image of the ota after it downloaded and prepared itself to install, luckily I got root and custom recovery before the next boot. Just so you know, a lot of the updates are delta patches, with the img.p and I can see the boochain files (see pic)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Ryno77:
I would gladly pay for both. If root/recovery comes first and unlock or patch comes later I would still gladly pay the $20. Did the jtag fix your phone?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JamesPumaEnjoi:
The carriers can block stuff like Google wallet anyway without touching that at all (galaxy nexus toro and Note 2 for instance)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] madsquabbles:
Well I do blame them for not making it easy to recover a bad flash on or own. It should he no different than reinstalling any OS.

The archos IT tablets had. dev mode that would void the warranty. And as far as I know there was no way of removing the Special boot to install custom Roms. It was kind win/win. We got to install whatever we wanted and they got to turn down damages from flashing.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
Have any previous ibm employees ever released anything that can help us with efuse?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mssam:
I'm on me7 without root (yet), but I'll test whatever. Just pm me...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] AndyAyy:
Just to be clear here, for those of us who have taken the update to AME7 and lost root, there is a way to get root back?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bfmetcalf:
Sorry man, no root method has been released for ME7 yet.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Beerister:
Beerister is in for $20 on both bounties root and full unlock
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidstyle:
on the note 2 the older bootloaders are black listed and will fail at aboot.img everytime in odin. the latest vramc3 update also has pit signature checking. Some how relekdev figured out away to inject code to hijack the boot process and alow a insecure boot.img to be flashed that destroys aboot. however this could only be done on exynos devices. I believe the blown qfuse on the qualcom will not allow this approach to be taken. however somebody like relekdev would have to chime in above this point because its totally over my head...aint gonna lie lol.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tee00max:
Man I'm dying for a custom rom. I never had a device that I couldn't root!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] randy hoopes:
I'm shocked this hasn't been done yet. :confused:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tee00max:
It's just the new update that has the bootloader locked up.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Tada10:
Is it too early to say that money can't buy everything? Or will it... ?

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidstyle:
the problem is even if this update gets unlocked, the very next ota will be patched and the device will be relocked again. Its happened for 2 OTA updates on the note 2 already. Luckily Relekdev was able to unlock each update. Thats the whole reason why they are black listing the old bootloaders, so after the new one is patched and relocked, you cant fall back to the old unlockable version.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] xXPrOwLeRXx:
OTA Update

OTA updates killed the XDA developer star...<singing in my best 80's voice
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] imablackhat:
Eventually all phones will be perm locked. Just a matter of time where were screwed to stock
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Cruiserdude:
I'm curious, can anyone think of any previous popular flagship device that was powered by Qualcomm that was never unlocked? I hated all the BS I had to put up with on my Razr, and other Motorola devices of that generation suffered the same fate. Earlier Moto devices were the same, at least until they were basically legacy devices.

But those were all TI powered, and they never had much of a history of being dev-friendly. So I'm hoping that Qualcomm devices are more easily exploitable than TI, which is why I asked what I did. Keep in mind that while Exynos is apparently easier to exploit, Samsung doesn't post full schematics and such like Qualcomm does, which is why AOSP roms are still not an all-around great experience on the international S3 like they are on our US versions.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidstyle:
yep the verizon s3...it was never cracked. A leaked insecure sboot.img was leaked by a undisclosed person (african canadian sock monkey). So I would call this more luck than anything.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] open1your1eyes0:
Aka, if we ever get this device properly unlocked never take an OTA again. :silly:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidstyle:
I have not taken a ota since my galaxy s fascinate days...so much easier to download and flash a dev version in recovery. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dobo84:
Unless you know something we all dont...sir "properly" just reading between the lines
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bjbinc:
I'm good for $100
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JamesPumaEnjoi:
I know its not much but I'd like to up my contribution from $10 to $20 if you don't mind, thanks in advance - James

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Thank you @ open1your1eyes0
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bajasur:
We need a dev to infiltrate the Verizon development team! Double agent?:cool:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
If the bootloader turns out to be a dead-end and the only option is root, will that be released so we can at least stop the update madness and kill some bloat?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] gjbnh:
Not having total control of your phone via root is like buying a new car, and being told you CAN"T change the radio.....just sayin.....and not having an open/unlocked bootloader is like saying you CAN"T change the engine........just sayin....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] hallstevenson:
I've never paid attention to these bounties in the past, but is this kind of money typical ? Or is it on the higher end because the S4 is such a popular phone ?

I need to look at the OP, but the people who've said they'll pay, is the money sitting in a Paypal account or something or is this an honor system at this point ?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] lolzadam:
Well sadly enough, auto mfgs have pretty much tried to do this anyway lol. In most new cars, the radio is part of the serial data circuit and talks to the BCM, so if you can change them you have to buy another little computer to tell the BCM everything's okay or you'll disable door chimes, trigger security systems and all kinds of crap (not to mention the try to make the dash where it's physically difficult to change the radio). As far as the engine goes, sure, you CAN change the engine in a new car, but I don't know who would want to because you'd have a serious electronic/computer nightmare trying to put a race engine in a new car. Things aren't like the old days where you just had to tune your carb correctly lol. I'm sure you know that though; so it's not just phone mfgs that are trying to lock things down, it's everyone. The world is changing, hackers are getting smarter (not just in electronics), and corporations don't like affording anyone the ability to customize anything. God forbid, right? It's a greed thing, they get a little money in their hands and they want to monopolize your life to make sure that nobody else gets your money.........and that's what really grinds my gears.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] HTC_M7:
Anyone thinking of using a similar method as they did for htc on facepalm? Incorporate supercid into unlocking the bootloader. Of course making that compatible to work with samsung devices instead of htc.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jova33:
Honor system. I haven't been a part to any other bounty, so can't answer the other part.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droidstyle:
the vzw s3 had a bounty around 2k before the leaked bootloader was released to Adam Outler.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Chopes:
This one seems like it is going to be hitting 10k before that happens at this rate, if at all.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jova33:
Did he claim the bounty?

I'm also wondering if someone already has the unlock, and they're just waiting for the bounty to get high enough lol. While I doubt anyone would do that, it's still a fun concept. The guy who came up with loki said he didn't want any bounty.