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[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
I was one that got a one day ban for colluding with a banned member. My first impression was, da hell, I didn't even know that guy got banned once. The thing no one mentioned was there was a second reason, I posted material that could be offensive. I'm the one that started posting Jesus memes. You know what, I fully agree with that assessment. Should of i got a warning first? Who's to say, but it definitely got the message across, I'll never do that again.
[Off-topic] pstevep:
If I have made mistakes in moderation I admit to them. I have not been involved in recent moderation happening in this forum. I'm simply providing feedback from the outside.

Now I don't disagree with you that sometimes implied rules should be written out. But you can't honestly tell me that following around a banned member with shenanigans was a good idea. I mean even out of context that's a little bit of a stretch.

Not being involved in the exact situations, I can't say whether they were handled the best way possible. I'm sure there probably was a better way, but that's because there is always a better way in someone else's eyes.
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
I'm Christian and didn't see anything offensive. Is all mentioning of religion against rules? Am I not even allowed to mention in passing what group I identify with religiously?

I see pics with blatant profanity get removed without bans, sometimes a warning is publicly posted. It's inconsistent and I call bs on those bans being related to anything other than mod frustration at the actions of a banned member. All those memes have been posted elsewhere without any action taken.

-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb

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[Off-topic] mark manning:
I would also like to take a moment and apologize to anyone I may have offended. As some of you may or may not know I was a brand new mod when I was placed on the team I was. I know I have made my mistakes and trust me there has been plenty of them. Including my team leader I have a lot of people who I consider mentors (you all know who you are). I'm constantly asking for advise and watching how they handle certain situations. However, with anything in life there is always a learning curve and no one can ever expect to be perfect or even good at something the moment they start. So again for those of you I have offended I do apologize. Please also know my PM box is always open to whomever.
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
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“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
Step in the right direction, Mark. I appreciate it.

I sincerely hope we can all stop taking OT so seriously. That's what makes it different than all other forums. It's irreverent. Other forums serve a purpose more in line with the site. OT is glue to keep us together aside from technical discussion.

-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Just read through the entire thread.

They said XDA isn't a democracy. I believe you guys should just give up. They're never gonna listen.

A few weeks ago I just got ****ed over by a junior member for my signature. Then I realised on how insignificant everything over here is. You can have the best titles on XDA, but in real life....

We're all nothing but phone enthusiasts.

(That doesn't apply to those who WORK at XDA, though)

(If you find this offensive, mods, feel free to **** me up)

If I'm not making sense to you, change your perspective.

"What's my problem? You."
[Off-topic] demkantor:
Haha, this was a fun fun 20 min smoke break... 2 beers later and a few laughs, but I don't think anything was accomplished.... Reminds me of television.

Think I'll visit ot more often...
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Don't drink too much, though.

"What's my problem? You."
[Off-topic] boborone:
Bawls. That took some.

And about being new is hitting the nail on the head. OT isn't the easiest and I would say is the hardest forum to mod.

Dude, please pm me if you have questions about things also. I've been here for a few years and have seen quite a bit. I think the most dissent comes from your interpretation of the rules. Your gumption and zealousness to be a mod. And your steadfastness when confronted.

Seriously that took bawls. Props to you man.

I think the big lesson to be learned is that the kids in OT aren't scared by a big **** swinging. Look at archer, he came from OT, and everybody respects him. He dealt with being a mod the same way he dealt with posting. And he let you know when you f'ed up. Its just respect man. Show it and you get a ton back from the membership forum wide in xda.
[Off-topic] demkantor:
Haha, thanks! The ones who know me know I'm not a drunk but I tend to drink. Especially when such riveting posts are pouring off the pages of xda.

I know it never sounds sincere when a sentence starts off like this but... No offence to anyone bit I'm not sure anyone accomplished their goals here tonight, and being I have no real reason to jump in I'm jumping right back out and enjoying my spectators view.

Good night allx
[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
Non-homo group hugs for everyone.

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[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
Ok, I've just subscribed to this thread, so I'll be able to keep up to date with your frustrations. Now, tbh, I'm not a big fan of OT, but I learned it has a place on XDA. Now, from what I understand from reading this thread, their is a common belief that you feel we (mods) are performing double standards. Now, I can assure you this is not common practice, and if it is happening, it should hopefully be in error. Feel free to post or PM any such occurrences and I'll look into them. As for OT being different to all other forums, this may be the case, but same rules apply in my book. As for the swear filter, just because some words are not added, this does not mean they are acceptable............ We need to use our heads. Yes, the context applies, but just because a word is used commonly, doesn't mean it is acceptable. Also, if I warn or infract a user for their actions, using profanity or anything else and they complain this is double standards as others have done so before with no repercussions........... This doesn't sit well with me. It's not a valid excuse. Yes, I'll look into it, but I or others may not have seen those other actions............ and in my books, the wrong actions of one user doesn't justify the wrong actions of another user ie, two wrongs do not make a right.

Anyway, that's my view. So let's keep the discussions going and I'll add comments when I feel they are necessary

Ta

Rick

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[Off-topic] zelendel:
As have I know. And to be honest I also am not a fan of the OT area. I see no point in it other then a small place for Devs to come and chill once in a while. Not some wannabe social networking area for people to act like kids. Those that know me know I dont care what section of the site people are in. The rules are the rules and they apply to everyone and everywhere. Act stupid in Ot and I will send people on a vacation just as fast as if it was anywhere else on the site. This is a development site and that is the focus. Anything else is pointless dribble.

Now I see a bunch of people complaining instead of taking the proper channels. With all the titles I see in this thread people should know the proper way to report things of this nature.

Are we perfect? Nope and neither is anyone else. Do mistakes happen? Yes they do. We are all human so mistakes are to be expected.

As for the swearing. Come on. We are all grown ups here. There is no reason to use childish curse words in areas where children may read it. Religion, politics, Sex, Race and all things of this nature has always been off limits and always will be. These things hold no meaning here. They have nothing to do with development and have no reason to be brought up.
[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
+1

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[Off-topic] roofrider:
So this "We aren't perfect, mistakes happen.." the mods' way of apologizing to the recent unfair bannings, infractions and warnings? I'm NOT asking for an apology.

Just wondering if that is how you clear the air.
[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
I have NO idea why this thread was started, or what incidents it is about. Perhaps that in itself is the whole problem.

Has the OP bothered to contact the Moderator Committee or a Senior Moderator about the problem (whatever it is)?

It hasn't reached the MC whatever it is. If there is an issue, let us know and we'll look into the actions of the moderator. Posting public threads like these is done for all the wrong reasons.
[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
Please point me to these unfair bans, infractions

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[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
It takes a lot of gumption to apologise for ones mistakes, especially when one believes one is in the right. Thanks a lot, Mark.
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
This thread started with it's main focus on two incidents that took place yesterday.

As I have repeatedly stated, those incidents are just a symptom of the disease.

Perhaps Off Topic is just a tumor on the face of XDA that needs to be excised.

Perhaps it's a place for people to cool down and fraternize.

But the members posting in OT have felt that something's been going wrong for the post few months.

Maybe that wrongness is an erroneous perception on our part, or maybe there actually is something wrong. We've all been trying to discuss our feelings about that on this thread.

Trying to wash all the dirty laundry once and for all, to resolve all the issues people have had here so that we can go back to our meme-posting ways in peace. ;)

Please feel free to comment on us users too. Like the title says... this is a discussion, and I'd love to hear your side of the story too.
[Off-topic] K.A.:
All in all, open a thread, dish out PMs, and yeah I know this thread had the mods participating in the discussion, but 3-4 months down the line, it's going to be all the same. The normal user will still have no say whatsoever, there are going to be double standards, and the higher ups still wont give a d**n. The solution that may/has already been found, is just temporary, and we all know that.

You say let's get this done with once and for all, not going to happen. A few months later, with this thread buried on the 20th page of OT, nobody's going to give a ****, as usual. As long as the wrongdoers are allowed to keep their powers, nothing is going to get solved. A user gets banned for quoting a post was the highlight. I LOLed hard.

No warning, no infraction, straight ban. That's the moderator version of "GTFO". Also, one certain mod, I've read all his posts, and all he seems to do is ask everything to his superior and then copy-paste-done. Is that what a moderator actually does? I thought mods, new or old, were capable of taking decisions on their own and didn't need to consult their superior on every issue they faced. And even if they did, and what they said was told to them by the leader mod, doesn't make it all right. Also, I seriously don't get the argument where you tell us it's in a different context. So a "f*ck you" can get you a warning ( or a ban going by the events of late) but a "stop f*cking with me" is fine?
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
You're suggesting XDA to undergo a total reform?

"What's my problem? You."
[Off-topic] K.A.:
I ain't suggesting anything, all I'm saying is things will stay the way they are regardless of whatever us users do. 'Cause at the end of the day, they still have the power to do whatever the **** they want and that is exactly what they will do.
[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
Please enlighten me with this example you are stating as I am unaware of it. Also, the use of foul language and then stating ban me, I don't care is not the best way to make a point. I'll say this once, aimed at everyone, the next person to use foul language (whether hidden behind a * or not) will receive an official infraction. This is the official warning

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Sigh. Never learning....

"What's my problem? You."
[Off-topic] K.A.:
Whatever I have said, has been on the base of everything that has been mentioned in this thread. So I'm pretty sure all you gotta do is read back in this thread. Also, the use of the swear word in the last statement was merely for the purpose to demonstrate an example, nothing more. I'd be glad, (not trying to sound as if I'm demanding, or in any wrong way, I'm sorry if this gets put in the wrong way), if you could reply to the statement rather than reply about the statement that was made.
[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
Actually, posts (and sigs) like yours just add to the problem.

There is a lot of lack of respect in OT, and that appears, in my view, to be one of the major problems with OT

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
I'm sorry if you thought I was referring to you.

"What's my problem? You."
[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
I for one,

Respect this forum ans the authorities running it.

What I'm so confused about is the rash giving of punishments for silly reasons.

For certain unprofessional behavior of some mods.

We don't like PMs since it only puts this problem in the shadows of us users. We want an impartial, practical and direct solutions to the matters at hand.

From users as a group and moderation team as a whole.

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[Off-topic] K.A.:
+1
[Off-topic] undercover:
Tbh, I've seen conversations like that before. All went big etc aaaand,.... Some time later it went back to what it was. So really, is there a point in all that?

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] K.A.:
Exactly what I said..
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
I think it's all a matter of whether you stay or leave now....

Sent from whatever the hell you want to think it is. I ain't yo mama.
[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
Ok, apologies, my mistake

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[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
Maybe yes or maybe not.

What matters to is we tried to address the issues of what we feel was internally plagued in xda's moderation principles.

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
From everyone here, I learnt that XDA is a volatile substance that reacts with certain chemicals. XDA is its own catalyst in the reaction.

Sent from whatever the hell you want to think it is. I ain't yo mama.
[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
Ok, I understand your issues with going to PM, but we have these policies & rules so threads with endless arguments aren't created in the open. If you have gone to PMs and this hasn't worked, contact the MC or admin. If you believe a moderator is behaving out of hand, the MC were set up to deal with it, and I can promise you, we do not play favourites or sweep things under the carpet. We remain impartial

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[Off-topic] roofrider:
Reminds of the thread created by Tallyforeman regarding the removal of device specific OT threads from certain forums.

They gave their word that it'll be looked into and after weeks of patient waiting it was back to square one.

But i'm still hoping for a different conclusion here.
[Off-topic] K.A.:
What matters is that they still don't care because according to them, OT shouldn't even be in existence in the first place. :)

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CVM, get some sleep mate. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
Thank you for giving a hearing ear to us.

Atleast some clouded thoughts that was in our minds are beimg addressed one by one.

This forum is a wonderful place to be, OT or not. XDA is XDA, what happens here happens in the device forum. I don't expect special rules or a little loose leach here in OT. Rules are rules and established for a reason the interpretation on the other hand may vary between different kinds of people.

I agree that writing * or getting filtered is grounds for a infraction since we serve all age groups and want to keep this place safe for everyone.

That ends my discussion, atleast we tried.

Thank you everyone who gave their voices :)

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I still believe in the moderating comittee.

A few bad seeds don't constitute a bad tree.

I know they are listening and I know some of them are people of character. I'm not losong hope.

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[Off-topic] undercover:
Guys. You concentrate on profanities too much. At the same time, rule should be clarified.

If I use **** does that mean that it's Ok because it's been filtered out and you have to use your own imagination to fill in the gap so technically YOU swore not me? Or, it means that I have used a profanity which is against the rule and i should be punished for it?

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] K.A.:
According to what was said, you'll get infracted...
[Off-topic] undercover:
I'll wait for the mods to confirm. If this is the case then everyone needs to be made aware of that. Everyone seems to be under impression (me including) that it's Ok to use it as it's filtered out.

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] K.A.:
Same here..
[Off-topic] roofrider:
According to my understanding of the rules it is OK.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Same goes for most people on xda. Let's just wait for mods on that. I have no problem with not swearing (although now and again ever 4stars can help to deliver the tone a bit more), just want to know where I stand.

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] a.cid:
It isn't.

But you always have to look at it from context. Always.

"Dude, this is the most awesome *** I've ever used"

"Go ****, you ****"

Pretty sure everyone understands which one is wrong.

Swearing is in the "essence" of it. Not the words.

Whether you hide it with * or %&@#+-, doesn't make a difference.
[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
Welp there we go.

A pretty clear answer.

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[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
From what I've read so far, I see no reason to infract anyone, but let's just drop the profanity discussion atm.

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Why are those words called profanities in the first place?

Sent from whatever the hell you want to think it is. I ain't yo mama.
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
This happens every time a discussion of this nature is initiated.

Step 1: Users rant

Step 2: Mods rant

Step 3: Someone from the moderation team comes out and tries placates everyone by saying "I understand what's happening, but you have to understand what the mods are going through/ give stock to the rules/try to accommodate all the different people on this forum."

Step 4: Users start saying... I love XDA... I love the mods...

Step 5: Everyone eventually forgets the whole discussion

Sounds a lot like an abusive relationship... :rolleyes::p

Let's actually make some concrete resolutions this time, people. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
My mom called them 'bad words' lol

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[Off-topic] undercover:
Isn't it easier to put a stop to the swearing, altogether? So you don't have to deal with two points of view?

A "you ****, you should do it this way "

B " Moooooooooood, I've been called a name"

Mod "Imma give that guy an infraction"

A "wtf? I only meant it like 'silly' not trying to offend him"

Drama complete.

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] SimonTS:
Unfortunately, according to what has been suggested by the Mods in this thread, both of the above will result in an infraction. This is where madness lies.

What next? Can we use WTF? WTH? GTFO? FUBAR? Who decides what is offensive?

If I say "Oh Hell!" it might offend Christians. "Holy Cow!" might be offensive to Hindus.

Obviously, you can't not offend people... too many people have too much baggage nowadays. Surely the main point is that everything should be down to context and the Mods need to learn to use common sense rather than rigid rules.
[Off-topic] a.cid:
Yes, I would love if the swearing stopped. But how do I control what 5 billion people type in their next post? It's already there in the rules, and we don't go around looking for things to delete. With things so big, It is not possible at all.

Per OP, let's keep the swearing discussion for another day.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Could you explain why please? Perfectly valid point to discuss. We only want a clarification on how we should behave. As I said, I have no problem not using them words, but I want to know where I stand.

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
I don't see how they're abnormal words.

Sent from whatever the hell you want to think it is. I ain't yo mama.
[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
Just because some words are common place does not make them right

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
As in, they were created for a purpose right? But why are they sectioned like this in the first place?

Sent from whatever the hell you want to think it is. I ain't yo mama.
[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
Because you don't want XDA having legal issues complying with the COPPA law.

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
I see.

Sent from whatever the hell you want to think it is. I ain't yo mama.
[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
We have already provided rules on things not to do. The rest is common sense. We are not going to spell everything out in black and white as people will always find ways to twist words. I am not a teacher in a school and I don't believe in treating members as kids unless they really start behaving like so. All I'll say is, imagine you are at school or work. What is acceptable and what is not is pretty clear. I see no reason why that should be any different here. Remember, we have kids and young teenagers across this site.

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