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[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
We do have experiences mods here in OT. All our mods are capable of moderating in the OT forum as they are in any forum.

Using your analogy, you haven't even learned to drive yet, but now you're telling us how to drive better.
[Off-topic] SimonTS:
Just to play Devil's Advocate ...

Earlier in this thread we were warned that posting **** **** etc to 'self-censor' would result in warnings/infractions/bans being handed out as it was just as unacceptable as using the words themselves.

Then, and I am removing his name from the quote, one of the Mods came up with this pearl;-

Please, explain to me precisely (and in single-syllable words as I'm thick) what the difference is?
[Off-topic] undercover:
Another problem people forgot to mention is overzealous moderating in threads where people participate to have banter, troll each other and get trolled. All willingly. Then people come in, don't get the gist of the attitude and atmosphere there and get all butthurt which normally ends up with someone getting a ban or infraction. Shall I give examples of such threads?

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[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
I must have missed that memo.
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
Please.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Part of the problem. Right hand doesn't know what left one is doing.

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
Just saying... The post deleting isn't just confined to the OT. I've had a bad experience in a device help forum where a guy started bad mouthing about a banned ROM. He actually had his facts wrong and when I corrected him.. He just jumped on me and started calling me names and what not and I nearly got an infraction. And all my posts were deleted and it was made like I was being a d!ck and encouraging a banned ROM but in reality I was just correcting him ( and I did that in a nice troll-less way too ). I took the matter to Mike but I was advised to drop it because I couldn't put my point across to anyone in the esteemed mod group.

Well now me and the other guy are real close friends but that was just a super abuse of power and I wish I had the proof to prove it was.

/runs away
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
One thing to always consider here. You say emails are "biased". Are they actually biased, or are they finding against someone who you were "on side" with?

Just one to consider, as bias is very difficult to see from just an email or two. Bias is consistent and ongoing. Just because the MC didn't find "on side" with someone doesn't indicate bias.
[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
It was sarcasm....I thought it would have been obvious. It's just habit from posting in the mod forums...I let slip in a public forum.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Please tell me how we are encouraging others to flout rules. If you are referring to quasi as the person flouting rules, then you should realize that he's going to keep challenging the system no matter what happens whether or not users are encouraging him to post. No one here is asking for lenience, we just want to see an end to over moderation.

Also it's not that off topic should be difficult to moderate, but rather it is difficult to moderate. And that is normal because of the open subject of off topic.
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
OK, but I thought part of this was that we were in "agreement" that XDA wasn't to become a troll-paradise.

This harks back to the part about "no threads just for a small group" - that's not welcoming others. Insular behaviour is what causes tension, which leads to drama, which leads to flame wars, which lead to Godwin's law.

Trolling is an obnoxious internet behaviour which is actually becoming illegal in many places, in recognition of the fact it's immature and damaging.

To quote:

Do we want trolling here?
[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
IF it is more dofficult to moderate (no idea why you all seem to think this) then the only challenge is because so many PUSH the rules beyond their limits in OT.
[Off-topic] veeman:
You're right. I definitely have not moderated before. But I've been here long enough to see quality moderation vs. what's happening here now.

And I completely disagree with the statement that all mods are capable of moderating OT.
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Is that....power play? Or am I wrong?

Sent from whatever the hell you want to think it is. I ain't yo mama.
[Off-topic] veeman:
I don't know whatyou're going on about mate.
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
Biased IMO,... but then again I'm human (as it's been pointed out that mods are only human as well) and my opinion is my own

Edit: and it wasn't just an email or two.
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
Another classic example of immaturity...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=42883757

*just passing through*

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Woof.

Sent from whatever the hell you want to think it is. I ain't yo mama.
[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
Where?
[Off-topic] Prawesome:
Though I said I won't be posting here after my previous post, I feel the need to make myself clear.. I didn't ask banned members to be unbanned nor did I say that the previously banned members should be treated with respect or all that stuff in your first paragraph

What I was wondering in my post was, Why are others being punished whenever this "banned" member posts? And that's it from me
[Off-topic] Android Pizza:
I think he's referring to the closing post by Mark, in which he mentions that members spammed the thread instead of reporting it.

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[Off-topic] cascabel:
the members's or mod immaturity? it's difficult to see the immaturity there when the posts have been deleted. the mod may have legitimate reason for deleting the posts, maybe not.
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
Just referring to the last two lines :rolleyes:

That irony!

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[Off-topic] Babydollll:
Look, I was a participant in that thread.

Yes, initially I posted the "correct" response. Why? I genuinely wanted the poster to be directed to the correct thread.

After I had done so, other users posted and it turned into a discussion. There was no trolling or insults happening. Was it off topic for that thread? Yes.....but we weren't doing anything wrong, other than "being off topic in off topic" but whatever.
[Off-topic] hanisod:
+1

No one trolled anybody....

It was a small discussion
[Off-topic] Prawesome:
Hell with my no more posting.. I can't stay off of this thread

Pulser, I think you are missing a point here. No one is against the new policies, in fact everyone here is in support of it, simply because of the fact that all the stupid meme posting and driving-away-members for no apparent reason is idiotic. No one needs any leeway here.

What they do need however is honest and equal moderation and simple explanations for actions to the individual against whom the action was taken because threads sometimes disappear without any explanations to the OP.

I am not exactly an OT fan as the stupidity in some threads is horrible. I only participate in one thread where its just random chit chat.
[Off-topic] cascabel:
what i meant was that i didn't understand what teejay was trying to say. the posts are gone and since some of us (members) weren't there we really can't say where the immaturity is coming from or what happened. i'm certainly not going to argue about it. :)
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
I am not referring to any individual case, rather to what someone else raised earlier about others "encouraging" people to break rules, make new accounts etc.

If he's going to keep "challenging the system", no matter what... Is that really going to be conducive to anything positive?

Over moderation... is that in contrast to "nothing". As that is obviously "more" moderation, but is it over-moderation for there to be some?
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
AFAIK I don't think anyone here was encouraging him to create new accounts and come and create havoc here. Yes we used to expect him to return and would speak and predict when his next return would be and stuff but we were never in the line of encouraging him to come back and kill the place again and again.

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[Off-topic] boborone:
That's one of the things I had in the pm I was going to send you. Examples like that have happened over the last couple months. Random posts getting deleted and then warnings for inappropriate behavior.

I sent you a pm explaining a little bit but didn't go into detail as an initial step. But real life got the best of me lately.

pstevep posted in here earlier and just gave an ear. After that I think lots of progress was made between the people and the mod in question. Things seriously took a butthurt turn recently. It could have just been left to what happened.
[Off-topic] pstevep:
ok.. another eventful read..

i'm only going to address a few of the points atm. mostly that moderating OT is harder than other forums..

uummmmm, yeah.. no, that's not the truth.. especially if it is held to the same rules as everything else.. I have spent so much time during my moderation career cleaning up after trolls worse than what you have going on in this forum.. The problem with moderating OT is there is no Topic. because of the lack of guidance, everything and anything gets posted. its a place to relax, not a place to be idiots or cruel to each other, even in a "fun/friendly" way.. All of the forums that I have moderated specifically up to this point are no different than this one, as far as obvious idiots are obvious. You report those idiots and we take them out. Sometimes that means reporting your own friend, or your favorite troll. i live by the rules here, if you disobey the rules you get the consequence, whether we are friends or not. Thats called not being biased. When you don't report it and then banter back and forth it creates a giant trash can that the moderators have to dig through to see what was right and what was wrong. when that happens stuff gets deleted, probably even stuff you don't think needs deleted. It's also much harder for us to see the true culprit behind the whole thing, because by that point everyone is being an idiot. then everyone complains about over moderation. Well it wouldn't seem like over moderation if you would just report things straight out instead of trolling the troll, or quoting idiotic banned members, or trying to start a revolution for your favorite banned drama queen.

anyone who has worked with me in the past can tell you that i am level headed and not a douche bag, i look at things from all angles before i make a judgement call. I'm not being unreasonable, and neither are my fellow moderators at this point. We are trying to help you accomplish what you want. But you have to work with us on this.

Your OT forum is unique to you, we get that. It isn't unique to us, you need to know that. It's a normal forum on this site, that doesn't have a topic.
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
Haha :)

OK, everyone supports it. Amazing, we are making progress :)

Explanations for actions... Unfortunately, there are things such as privacy laws. It is not possible to disclose that unless they were to give written, signed agreements and all sorts of nonsense.

Would you like it if someone enquired about your account or situation, and got given details of your situation? That's your personal circumstances, they're not for other people to know.

If a thread "disappears" and the OP hasn't been contacted, they should get in touch with the forum mods of that area. Same as always.
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
And if no explanation is given and you are warned about not participating in such "useless" threads?? Pufft.... You won't get it anyways :(

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[Off-topic] boborone:
And just to show the new people in xda what OT used to be like, here a nsfw example of the SM team and admin staff.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1319175&postcount=16

Let's all have a laugh and lighten the mood.

Remember the nsfw tag on that thread and the ones from that era of OT. Don't go digging kids. Please don't bump them.
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
Then get in touch with me or the MC.

The explanation may well be, "the thread is not in compliance with the OT rules about non-troll threads, or threads with no content, just random crap", but that's the reason.

You shouldn't be participating in pointless threads though, per the request. This isn't some kind of attack, it's meant to be cooperation - OT members were the ones complaining about this, they WANT something done. We are trying to help, but we need and expect that OT users will try and help out and follow the OT rules in letter and spirit.

That means to understand what OT is and isn't. OT isn't for posts that belong on an imageboard or troll-pit. If a thread is going for being useless and contentless, that's the situation we're in.
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
My dear Sir... I wasn't speaking about a OT thread :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: see?? You don't even read :thumbdown:

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[Off-topic] percy_g2:
Sometimes mods go off the way(give warnings ) but yeah you can PM them and explain the situation,i have got one for getting in the way of other silly members who tried to close a thread but i explained myself to [MENTION=3200478]Woody[/MENTION] and everything is fine now.

My point is just be calm and don't take XDA as social networking site ,its for development and keep it like that only

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Sir you have my msg pending for 3 months :(
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
Excuse me...

I did read... :good:

Perhaps you want to try again? You didn't mention any thread in your post which I am replying to.
[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
<post deleted due to legal concerns>

This post is in compliance with the national potato safety regulation.

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
This is probably the first time I've seen people ranting in front of mods and not getting banned....

*chews on Dorito*

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[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
I was referring to this post. You know here's one more problem. You ( not just you but in general ) just concentrate on the last post or one before it and never to what actually led to that comment and then hell breaks loose and we are left tasting the flying mud raised by the speedy moderation service.

I actually did that on purpose to see if you would notice and well... I was right.

Boo!

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[Off-topic] shadowcore:
Why make a btiching thread? If you got complaints, just send a message to the mods. This thread is a huge flame bait.
[Off-topic] hanisod:
Meeehhhhh

Good point.......

Edit: I'm talking about the message :)
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
It isn't exactly a *****ing thread, unless you think we all are....

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[Off-topic] Android Pizza:
I think you missed it's point.

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[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
Sir? Did you read all through the 30+ pages?

No right?

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[Off-topic] veeman:
Oh my, you must be so macho with all your trolls you have to conquer. The difficulty is not from clicking a ban button. It's from determining what needs a ban, warning, or infraction. (And it seems you guys are doing a terrible job at it recently) Because of the wide range of topics here in off topic it is harder to moderate than whatever it is that you moderate. Also, not biased? Give me a break...

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Have you bothered reading? This is a discussion between mods and users.
[Off-topic] SimonTS:
Really? And please, don't try to claim that was real sarcasm, as you did in reply to [MENTION=3038832]undercover[/MENTION]. This is the "Memo" that I was referirng;-

Now please explain again what the difference is between us being told we will receive an official infraction for using the word "p***" and a Moderator using EXACTLY the same word? Either it is an instant infraction, or it isn't. Until this thread was opened I have stayed totally out of XDA (apart from the two threads which used to be the HTC Desire S OT threads), but I have watched XDA go downhill in the time I've been here - not just OT, but the whole forum. You need to step up to the mark right here, right now;-

1) Close OT entirely

2) Leave OT alone - moderate it, but use common sense and allow leeway. Also don't allow noobs in here, make them earn their 'stripes' just as you do for the Dev forums

3) Apply a rigid rule, hard and fast, with NO expections - be it against a new member, a senior member, an RC, a Moderator or even a Senior Mod

But at the moment there is so much inconsistency that no-one really know where they stand when they just want to relax and have a laugh with mates.
[Off-topic] shadowcore:
You dont start reading something if the headline, OP and the first few points are whining and *****ing just like you dont start reading a news headline, book or something else if the headline is not useful.

I maybe judging the thread by the "cover", but I dont think I am wrong by thinking that this thread is a whining thread. Mods are humans aswell and maybe there should be a section for "Appeals" or you can just continue the discussion with the mods in a chat room or something. Seems pointless to have a public discussion about personal matters.

Yep, thanks. I have been in worse forums where Mods were outright insulting users or banning them because somebody complained about why an insulting post was not removed.
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
Is "crap" considered a swear word??

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[Off-topic] undercover:
You are wrong. In my eyes this thread is the most consecutive conversation to date between users and mods. So yeah, you are judging a good book by tacky cover. Go read some now.

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[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
Again it depends on context and how words are put together to perform an organized thought.

This post is in compliance with the national potato safety regulation.

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Doesn't seem public if it requires you to open up the thread to look at it. Seems like you were just curious.

I learned to not say such stuff anymore the hard way

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[Off-topic] pstevep:
Really? Was that needed? I'm trying to help you guys and that's the response you give? You wonder why some moderators are less lenient than others or seem ban happy.

I resolve things through discussion like we are doing here. I can count on one hand the number of people I have banned in the past 6 months. Let alone infraction. I believe if you approach something with the right attitude you can fix it. I'm trying to have an open line of communication with you guys. I don't need to brag about myself (this is the Internet), I was giving reference that there are experiences out of OT.

I don't think that it not having one topic makes it harder, just different.
[Off-topic] veeman:
I think a 10+ post rule should be in place in off topic as well. Newbies just spam their 10 posts here by creating or posting useless threads. This would decrease the number of threads getting trolled which in turn decreases moderator workload.

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Crap. I hope not. I've used it often.
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
Welcome to OT..... :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] Seraz007:
+1 make it 15 :confused:

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[Off-topic] zelendel:
Let me comment on these here.

1) many would love to see this happen and if things don't change it might.

2) not gonna happen.

3) are you sure you know what your asking for? Do some research on Iron Fist. This can be brought back for OT.

Wayne Tech Nexus
[Off-topic] SimonTS:
I've said that many times, and I think that 100 posts and 3 months membership would be more realistic. Make people be a part of the community, before they can be part of the community. If someone just walked into my local pub and tried to join in with our conversation he wouldn't stay there for long, I'm not entirely sure why OT should be any different. Prove that you want to be a decent part of XDA first.
[Off-topic] undercover:
I've said it again and again. But they seem to think if OT as of an asylum to keep all the loonies in, newbies or oldies.

And btw, i think you should apologise to pstevep. It was definitely uncalled for mate.

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] veeman:
Yes, that was needed because I felt you were being disrespectful. It sure sounded like you were bragging. And I'm kind of frustrated with what's happening. This discussion is 30 pages long but no official response has been given from the moderation team.
[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
I think we're off to start a non-healthy discussion here,

It wan't like this an hour ago.

So please let us all learn to be open-minded about this situation.
[Off-topic] hanisod:
+3
[Off-topic] shadowcore:
Ok then.

"Slowly goes away from this thread, silently"
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
*silently cries in a corner*

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[Off-topic] roofrider:
He was forced into changing it, he didn't change it fearing a ban. I had experienced at first hand today that warnings and infractions are no longer given.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
We all know dealing with things properly won't change anything.

"Let's just get this over with" - The way I take this is you feel listening to what the members of xda have to say is a drag and a complete waste of time.
[Off-topic] prototype7:
Let's get this over with is talking about how this keeps coming up in every discussion, so let's have it now and get it resolved.
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
We have gotten to the point, but of course they are ignoring it.. Point is, mods can do whatever they want and us lowly regular users get infections, bans and warnings for the same thing... Is a double standard and hypocritical. Not like any of us expect anything to change, we know it won't, but why not air them out for the hypocrites they are

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[Off-topic] prototype7:
I'm sorry, but the horrid grammar hurts my eyes.
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
That's bark banning for ya

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Like everyone is saying, the mods are being very hypocritical. Basically, mods are exempt for the same things that other members to getting warnings for. But, according the CTM, asking why this is happening isn't worth a response.
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
I'm sorry, but you trying to act holier than thou all over this thread hurts my heart.
[Off-topic] prototype7:
I don't think going on a crusade against all mods is going to get us anywhere. Turning on a mod whenever they make a single decision you don't like (M_T_M, ctm) is just silly, mods are people too, and can make bad judgements or have opinions you don't agree with. Saying all mods are hypocrites is wrong, and not helpful. The one who seems to be, however, is getting in our faces lately, and it's getting irritating.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Mark, learn to English. :confused: :D :sly: