yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] wsuther:
Glad this worked for you. It's still working for me, but not quite as well, I have to rerun it everytime I restart my device now. Not quite sure why or what it does in the backgroud to enable the tethering.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] Yarbo:
Hmm, I also need to re run the app after every device reboot.... Oh well at least it works.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] android panda:
OMG thank you, I've been looking for something to fix this for a few weeks now but this did the trick. That ad for bigfish casino was really loud with my speaker mods, but hey, it works so it's good enough.

thanks again
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iTzSam:
So i Got an S4. I rooted it and im running stock 4.2.2 XXUBMEA firmware. With the new update, i can move apps to the SD card, but App data is still internal. you cannot move app data. About 7gb of my internal memory is already taken up by android which leaves me with around 9.23gb left. after installing all my necessary apps, i have left about 7.3gb internal storage left. The problem is here. Most HD games these days have Data files around 1gb. for example, games like Asphalt 7, Batman and GTA Vice City. they all have sd data of around 1gb. And as you know, on the s4, unfortunately, you can only put Sd data on the internal storage and you cannot put it in the micro SD card. So, in order to play these HD games, i have to use my internal memory. By doing this, i wont have much memory left and will probably run out of memory after 3-5 HD games. What do you think is the best solution for this? How do i play a lot of HD games on my device? After all, I paid a lot for this phone. I hope i did not waste my money. Remember i am rooted. Is there anything i can do?

Thanks

Help will be much appreciated. :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chickentuna:
Since you have root try Folder Mount. It transfers game data to sd card and mounts it to internal sd. Free version let's you add 3 apps paid version is unlimited. It's worth ebery penny trust me
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 93fuelslut:
What is the biggest battery you can use with thestock battery cover?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Beauenheim:
The Samsung extended battery fits with the stock cover although it's a little tight.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 93fuelslut:
The 2100 mah?

Sent from your moms phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DroidOnRoids:
Yeah the 2100 mah. I'm using a 5900 mah battery but it makes my phone big.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 93fuelslut:
OK so the 2100 mah is the biggest I can use with the stock battery cover ? Thanks

Sent from your moms phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mentose457:
No. Anker 2200mAh batt works with stock cover. I know I have two.

http://www.amazon.com/2200mAh-Batteries-T-Mobile-SGH-I727-SPH-L700S/dp/B0078WR4KW/ref=pd_sim_cps_4
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 93fuelslut:
OK thanks

sent from your moms phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 93fuelslut:
Ordered!"""""!!!!

sent from your moms phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bpyazel:
Yup same here. Amazon sells a combo of two 2200 with a universal battery charger that can plug into AC or usb for $21.99. Although, the charger is kind of a cheap flimsy thing, but it works.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shriom_manerker:
give us a revie won how it is once u get it :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tikkalamt:
Do you lose NFC with this?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 93fuelslut:
NFC?

Sent from your moms phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mentose457:
No NFC with these batteries.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 93fuelslut:
The hell is NFC ? Lol

Sent from your moms phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sof006:
You own a Galaxy Nexus and don't know what NFC is?

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...hat-is-nfc-and-why-is-it-in-your-phone-948410
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tokuzumi:
NFC is Near Field Communication. I've never used it, and have never witnessed anyone who has. Not saying it isn't used by someone, but it's an over-hyped technology, and doesn't have too much practical application at this time.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Handled:
Ordered...

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kaushikd:
Which one?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Xenoism:
This says that they are for the s2? Do they fit the nexus?

Sent from my PitchBlack Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mentose457:
Yes. They fit the LTE Nexus. In the title it says I515. Plus, I own them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Handled:
I got the anker's too. Fit fine

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Locklear308:
You must be joking. NFC is extremely useful.

Also, is the anker any good?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tikkalamt:
Does it have NFC?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Xenoism:
Nifty!

hmmm....I know this sounds rather noobish, but I just moved over to the Nexus from the GS3 and I am not entirely sure if mine is the LTE model. aha

It'll take me a few days of reading around to figure out the device basics ^^;;
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zAlbee:
Is this a GSM or Verizon nexus? They have different back covers if I recall correctly.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tokuzumi:
I'm not saying there are no uses for NFC, but the only thing I read is someone asking on a forum if an extended battery has NFC.

How do you personally use NFC?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
If you are getting backdoored by Verizon (like me) you have the LTE Galaxy Nexus.

---------- Post added at 07:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:05 AM ----------

Yes. The Samsung extended batteries have NFC.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Xenoism:
Aha I see. I have the unlocked version...so I'm guessing that means it probably won't fit mine lol

Sent from my PitchBlack Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Correct.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Xenoism:
Alright ^^ guess I'm stuck with the official extended one. Much appreciated for the info ^^

Sent from my PitchBlack Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Handled:
Verizon. Been using it since yesterday. So far so good

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Locklear308:
Trading contacts with friends, sending photos, When I have a device I've recently flash and I wanted to download apps, I just open them on my older phone and NFC them to open the app store really fast. Also sharing videos, and sharing apps with friends.

Extremely useful.

Also, google wallet.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Handled:
PA 3.65 Fancy Kernel. First pic is with stock battery. Second is with battery bought off Amazon. Preliminary results so I'll run through a few more charges. Screen is never over 50%. I use Osmosis' screen profile so it allows me to keep the brightness turned down

some.Also, no overclock, slight undervolt. I'm overclocking to 1.3 this charge to see how it affects.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 93fuelslut:
My review; the 2200 mah really isn't much different then the 1750 mah . Kinda pissed I blew 20$

sent from your moms phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] darthmalus:
so i realize this post is ancient but, i have the GNEX GT-i9250m and my stock battery is completely depleted IE wont charge at all, i have been seeing the 2100mah battery on ebay and amazon with the verizon or sprint backings, will they work in my unlocked model with the stock battery door, or would i have to use the vzw or sprint one
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tokuzumi:
The sprint/verizon battery is a completely different shape than the GSM variant. If you don't have a Verizon/Sprint branded device, the battery isn't going to work.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] darthmalus:
:( darn
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iTzSam:
So i Got an S4. I rooted it and im running stock 4.2.2 XXUBMEA firmware. With the new update, i can move apps to the SD card, but App data is still internal. you cannot move app data. About 7gb of my internal memory is already taken up by android which leaves me with around 9.23gb left. after installing all my necessary apps, i have left about 7.3gb internal storage left. The problem is here. Most HD games these days have Data files around 1gb. for example, games like Asphalt 7, Batman and GTA Vice City. they all have sd data of around 1gb. And as you know, on the s4, unfortunately, you can only put Sd data on the internal storage and you cannot put it in the micro SD card. So, in order to play these HD games, i have to use my internal memory. By doing this, i wont have much memory left and will probably run out of memory after 3-5 HD games. What do you think is the best solution for this? How do i play a lot of HD games on my device? After all, I paid a lot for this phone. I hope i did not waste my money. Remember i am rooted. Is there anything i can do?

Thanks

Help will be much appreciated.
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Hi,

Use FOLDERMOUNT

This the only way

:)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iTzSam:
Thank you very much . :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] liviugreuu:
Hello

I have a question, if you put the camera the LG Optimus g the Nexus 4 will work?

It had better clarity?

thanks
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meedoo1997:
i dont think so because; 1- the shape of the cam maybe different in size 2- i think any company will make every piece of your device to be compatible with the other pieces ...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leoluisguitar:
It would be awsome to have that camera in our nexus 4, I think stock android camera isn't good enough
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] liviugreuu:
http://www.ebay.es/itm/Camara-Camer...8?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_186&hash=item2329a8027a

After I see is identical to the Nexus 4. I asked to tell me what size business has, tomorrow I will have details.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ismethajametovic:
If it is compatible, I don't think it's even worth the hassle to swap them. :\
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IRX120:
Not a point in this. Even if you got them to fit then the software wouldn't be able to decode the sensor. Unless you swapped the drivers out.

Sent from my Nexus 4 @1.728 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smoka206:
Camera FV-5 is a very good camera. Its on the play store they have a trial, the camera cost 2 dollars I think. It has worked very well for me tons of features quality is excellent.
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] Jose974044:
hi, this is my first post, I need the multi formatter file (.zip) because the original link does not work, help me please
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 General] PsychodroidMad:
Check your PM for the link..

Android is not just a smartphones.

android is an art of smartphones.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] maggio:
Hello, we are looking for help to install a modified version of the Widcomm bluetooth stack or modify/hack the current one to support 2 bluetooth connection at the same time on Ipaq 4700, ppc 2003SE. - ie: an headset profile AND a gps connection at the same time. Currently it seems that only the ipaq 6315 can do that.

massimo
[One (M7) General] townay:
Pretty sure some of you may have noticed that after 4.2.2, charge times seem to have improved. Right now my battery is 17% and using a battery pack with HTC cables and it shows AC instead of USB. Havent tried other 3rd party cables yet, though I suspect it'll be the same. Before, on 4.1.2, when connected to my battery pack it'll always show usb regardless of cable type.
[One (M7) General] HermanV0929:
Im on 4.1.2 still and also have a battery pack. It always says ac when using the cable that came with it, but usb when another cable is used, like the htc cord cable.

Can you test your htc cable from your htc cord and see if it says ac or usb? Hooking it to your power pack of course.

EDIT: nevermind you've tried htc cable lol. Thats good to know it can be used and charge as ac rather than usb on the battery pack. Id much rather use my htc cable on my power pack
[One (M7) General] townay:
This is my HTC cable that came packaged connected to the battery pack.

Edit: 4.2.2 seem to improve battery consumption for HTC one. Mines all stock non rooted......not yet.
[One (M7) General] HermanV0929:
Sweet, thanks for the info and pic. Cant wait to get 4.2.2 so I can start using my htc cable with my power pack. The one that comes with it, is a pain to use. Im also stock non-rooted. Having gotten around to rooting the one yet. Havent found the need to yet. Works great as it is
[One (M7) General] townay:
This is so far the highest I've seen it go..guessing it might go higher, I don't know..don't have the time to keep looking at it.

It can drop to 80+ range.

This is connected to the 2A output on my battery pack.
[One (M7) General] prinzhernan:
This is great news! I had to buy a new battery back just to get AC charging. Now I can use my old one.
[One (M7) General] pandaball:
There is already a 4.2.2 General Chat thread here. No need to open another thread and make people check 2 different places :)
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] codexc:
AROMA INSTALLER !

Screen Shouts

CodexHD v4.0 Ultimate :

v2.1 works fully! , this MOD for AOSP ROM's

i've included Xperia z Movies/Album To take the biggest result of Sony Bravia

Screen Shouts

CodexHD v2.1 Lite Works With SAM ROMS/AOSP :

Downloads:

make nandroid backup before install ..

Download !! v4.0

Download !! v2.1

CodexHD 2500 downloaded by samsung users !!, 4000 downloaded by users for another devices

Hit button , IF YOU LIKED MY WORK
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] marcel112:
i see you're releasing the 3.1 beta..

I thought you were porting the probam to i9505..?

No problem....

Is all the xperia z stuff untick-able in aroma?

Some people like it, some dont... :p:p

Why you're naming it different, looks like probam...

uNltimate.zip?

Edit:

in Aroma: touchscreen doesnt work...

have to use vol en power keys

Edit 2:

after finishing aroma phone hangs on Samsung logo ( tried 3 times, even wiping cache and dalvik at the end off aroma)

No go
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] codexc:
[MENTION=2100355]marcel112[/MENTION]

ok i will fix it my friend , but v2 works fine

regards
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] codexc:
op updated
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] sswagonman:
Have another link to dl? The link is only 7kb

Sent from my GT-I9505 using Xparent Gray Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ZANGETSU786:
+1
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] dying4004:
download size 0 kb ????
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] marcel112:
V2 for me was 25 MB so didn't try
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Mikeytjee:
I'm not able to download version 3.1 :(
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] codexc:
OP Updated and Download Page
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Mi|enko:
It's live in the GooManager app too, if you go to probam in the dev section.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] marcel112:
This means 3.1 will boot now?

And/or the size off v2.1 is now accurate?
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] codexc:
yes will boot now and flash via recovery none aroma
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] codexc:
yes sure
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] dying4004:
version 3.1 says compressed folder is invalid.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] sswagonman:
still says bad flash using twrp
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] marcel112:
The 3.1 zip is on the op much smallere as it is on your goo.im page???

What is that?

76 Mb or 176 Mb?
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] codexc:
http://goo.im/devs/probam/jfltexx

Size: 156.24 MB
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] marcel112:
Thnx, dl as we speak.... goo Slow today... grrrr
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] blood_talon:
I have downloaded twice 3.1 from goo.im but install failed, even with signature check disabled. Is the uploaded file correct and not corrupted?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] x10user2011:
I'm gonna root and install a custom ROM on my friend's phone and I'm just wondering if I need to update the bootloader before installing any ROMs?

So should I root, then flash the bootloader update via Odin before installing a ROM?

Or can anyone give me a good process for doing that, it would really help :)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Rick-SG3:
What version bootloader do you have now and version do you think you need?

I simply did a search on "bootloader" and found this relevant thread for you. Take a look a post #2.

Hope it helps.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2346733&highlight=bootloader
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] x10user2011:
I meant like my friend's phones are purely stock.. And I'm on a custom ROM. About a month ago we all got bootloader updates in order to use new ROMs so I'm wondering if that's what I need to do for my friends too, before flashing them a rom
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Rick-SG3:
I'm sure that it depends on what version bootloader is currently installed, and what version your ROM of choice requires. The fact that their phone is now "Stock" doesn't tell you anything. I am running a nightly version (7/7/13) of Rootbox (Doesn't get any newer than that) on a one year old S3, and have never updated my "Stock" bootloader because it was not necessary for what I need - and there isn't one newer.

Every time you flash, you are taking the chance of something screwing up. The only thing worse than bricking your phone would be bricking someone else's. IMO, you need to do some more research to answer your own question. The devil is in the details.

Good Luck.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] aybarrap1:
If he is on the most current stock update provided by the carrier then the bootloader should already be updated.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] R4NDR01D:
Any way to safely change the density on the I545? I can't stand how big everything is. I've read reviews on all the apps and can't find anyone with a S4 except for ONE guys who said it didn't work. I also a foudnd post on here I believe of a guy getting his phone bricked because of it. =\
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] najaboy:
Xposed framework with app settings module does the trick.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Metallice:
Set the dpi to your desired value in build.prop. Reboot to recovery and flash a multidpi market mod. Use the xposed app settinga module to set any newly broken samsung apps to 480dpi. (Like camera)
[One (M7) General] Namit1994:
Hello everyone. I am currently in need of a HTC One Google Edition owner so that I may write a guide to converting an HTC One into a Google Edition. If you have the actual Google Edition HTC One, please contact me. I am in need of your help :crying:
[One (M7) General] paniro187:
DA fuq?
[One (M7) General] a box of kittens:
They haven't even shipped yet..
[One (M7) General] Namit1994:
Wow, thanks for letting me know. I thought they would get to people within a week of June 26 and someone also had made a nandroid of the stock ROM.
[One (M7) General] ratykat:
But... Cant you already install a GE Rom and be done?
[One (M7) General] gunnyman:
The Nandroid came from an anonymous review unit.
[One (M7) General] aznxk3vi17:
As far as I know, July 9th is the absolute minimum date at which we may see production devices.
[One (M7) General] kayone73:
Why the panic? Is someone threatening your life if you don't do this?
[One (M7) General] hello00:
he already has the latest dump and even made a rom for u guys so lets just let this thread die
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gorex3:
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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gorex3:
Good evening,

Are I to buy a micro sd of mark samsung and when I copy more than 15 16 go, the file to be created all alone (£ANDROiD, £DATA....and the archives and file to damage… why?

I am on sotmax v24….

Look the screen in the first post..

Excuse me for the double post... i don't have a option for edit my post.. :/

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Glebun:
use h2test to see if it's fake
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gorex3:
Ok but it's second sd that i try ..... same problem...

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Glebun:
try a different ROM then
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gorex3:
On my pc its same problem.... all its ok but when i copy over 15 16go

... archive damage ...... "could not be read"

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
Return card to seller .

jje
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gorex3:
First time i buy micro sd 32go kingston same problem . I have return sd to seller and i buy again a micro sd 32go samsung classe 10... same problem ;(

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gorex3:
the test result from h2test...... :

Warning: Only 17138 of 31988 MByte tested.

The media is likely to be defective.

76.7 MByte OK (157184 sectors)

16.6 GByte DATA LOST (34941440 sectors)

Details:211.0 MByte overwritten (432192 sectors)

0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)

16.4 GByte corrupted (34509248 sectors)

53.5 MByte aliased memory (109696 sectors)

First error at offset: 0x0000000000000008

Expected: 0x0000000000000011

Found: 0x0000000000000000

H2testw version 1.3

Writing speed: 3.67 MByte/s

Reading speed: 9.58 MByte/s

H2testw v1.4

then, what it occurs….??

where come the problem…?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Glebun:
read the log - "the media is likely to be defective" it's an 80MB card (lol) disguised as a 16GB
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gorex3:
However when I copy 15go fichierd all is well it is as soon as I exceed that bug

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gorex3:
I send micro sd to sellers .....

I buy micro sd 64go pro samsung classe 10 that i have pay 60 euro at "darty" from france......

I does test and more test ..

In 3-4 day , i come for issue solved or not...

Thank's and sorry for my english... i'm french!

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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gorex3:
My problem is solved .

My sd card of 32go is very fake.......

I buy 64go samsung pro classe 10 and work great.....

Warning : a lot of sd card on the net is fake.... :/

Please modo , you can close the thread ;)

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] scannon:
I have been very confused trying to find an AOSP rom for my S4. I am not a fan of touchwiz, I prefer Google's experience. But I can't make heads or tails of the available roms for this device. Are any of them similar to what I would get with Cyanogenmod?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] holdenjr1642:
I believe you should be looking in Original Android Development
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] smoke423:
I would like to try sense 5 on on s4
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] GiantJay:
They are in Android development and Original development. Since this is a question this post should be I. The Q and A section also.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Inline:
Here's a list of every rom available for the Sprint GS4, and specifically a list of every AOSP rom. There are a ton of them for our phone - almost triple the TW roms.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2303917

Also the possibility of Sense 5 being ported to our device is very very slim.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] GiantJay:
I was just looking for this thread. Lol. :thumbup:
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Inline:
It got stickied so if your using the XDA app on your phone its a little harder to find it since you've got to specifically click on Stickies to find it ahaha :P
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] CNexus:
It's actually very very probable if you have the right person doing it, as the One has the exact same processor as the S4 (APQ8064T) ;)

And Sense 5 was ported to the S3, which has a similar, but not exactly the same, processor.

The Thanks button is just to avoid "THANKS" posts in threads. Nothing more. Don't defeat the purpose of why it was introduced.