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[Off-topic] undercover:
Same. In fact I'd like to have some sort of a reaction to it from the mods. I like whiskey and this is nothing personal, but it's unfair on the users that have been punished for using profanities, rightly or not. Especially as it looks like this time poster went out of his way to make sure it's fully readable and not filtered.

Also, judging by this thread. OT is either the same as the rest of xda or it's special. Make your mind up.

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[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
This has been my entire point all along, mods curse, but it's ok, a lowly user does the same and they get punished.. Consistency is the key if mods can do it, we should be able to also, if we can't, mods can't, seems simple enough

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[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
Ok. I've spoken wrong and I sincerely apologise to everyone I offended ( Offened includes you Pulsur :P ). I'm out.

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[Off-topic] SimonTS:
I've been out all night so am just catching up but here we have another extremely well known and well respected member of XDA coming up with the same suggestion that so many of us have made over the last 6+ months. It is very simple to restrict who can and can't access any part of XDA, so why not just do that with OT? Leave OT here. Make it only accessible to members who earn the 'privilege' (say 100 posts mimimum) and then moderate it from there. First time someone breaks a rule in here, acts like an ass or whatever, give them a 24hour 'time-out'. 2nd time make it 7 days, 3rd time make it permanent - but these exclusions are only from OT. Allow them to carry on accessing the 'core' of XDA, the technical knowledge, but make it clear that OT is not a divine right. I bet you dollars to dimes that OT will get back to being the place that 95% of us (members and mods) want it to be.
[Off-topic] prototype7:
I like this idea, giving harsher bans but from OT only.
[Off-topic] DowntownJeffBrown:
I agree with this word for word +1

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.” ― David Brin >^.^<
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
I like your idea. This will cut back on alot of the shenanigans that have been happening around here. The only issue I see is the huge hurtle that will need to be overcome, the perception of OT from the higher ups. Mike Channon himself have stated he will prefer OT to get spammed vs anywhere else on XDA. I hope for everyone's sake, they see the value of OT and implement something like your plan. :thumbup:
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
You can talk all you want but what are you going to do about it. Don't expect mods to read 50+ pages of a thread and change their mind on any of this. They are doing whatever they feel best works. It's their site we can't tell them how to run business. If you don't like it here leave. bla bla bla continue
[Off-topic] DowntownJeffBrown:
If you have read this entire thread or at least most of it you would see that many mods have been here and listened a lot at times. I know you have read at least some of it because of your "coconuts" spam but why come in here and just be negative. That's not gonna help anything at all.

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.” ― David Brin >^.^
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
While I truly like the idea.

I highly doubt they will restrict new users from ot, especially with something like a 100 post limit.

As loopdog has stated above, they would rather the spam happen here rather than other forums.

Sigh.
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Sorry I don't mean to I am just fed up with the annoying whining complainers and know-it-alls like they know what's best. The ones acting like children...
[Off-topic] prototype7:
And what have you contributed?
[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
He gave coconuts. A very good rationale analysis to the problem.

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[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
Like you?

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Actually If you look after my amazing coconut post you would see what I contributed. Yes I actually applied myself. Btw coconuts might one day save your life

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[Off-topic] Archer:
This is supposed to be a constructive discussion to move things forward for everyone, yet I'm mostly seeing members arguing about what someone said and what the main point of the thread is.

This is exactly why there is a team of moderators dealing with this forum. You need it.

This forum has been filled with spite and childishness for too long. I don't like it, but I love OT and believe it's worth making better, again, for all of us.

Some of you ARE here to troll and bully. That's a fact, and unfortunately it needs to be dealt with. Refer to the "friendly reminder" thread. Everything you see here is a result of that.
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Exactly what I was trying to say ^^
[Off-topic] Dr_SUSE:
That's kind of sad that moderators are needed to keep people from acting childish and bully-like.
[Off-topic] Archer:
It's human nature, unfortunately, but yes. It's sad. How do you think I feel about having to do it?
[Off-topic] Dr_SUSE:
So the misbehavior of a few gives rise to tyranny for all.

I'm not complaining, just observing.

Plus that's' a really cool quote I just made up. ;)
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
Thank you very much.

We know the consequences of our actions.

You please carry on with your life. Nobody is asking you to read these 50+ pages.

Bye, and before I forget... coconuts.
[Off-topic] I r o n M a n:
Not disagreeing with what you are saying but I think many would agree that many a time, mods themselves have acted like children and bullies.

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[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Well so be it. They have same rules as users. If they get caught they get more severe consequences anyway....

No problem. Thanks for being cognitive.
[Off-topic] I r o n M a n:
And do they actually get caught?

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[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
A bit of exaggeration, it is.
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Do users always get caught?
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
We don't always, but they never.

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[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
Most of us do understand what you tried to say in the last few posts.

But they say good things come to those who try.

So we disregard what you said and we try.

It's been a very heated argument, but there's been some progress for the first time in months. Let's just hope it ends well for all parties.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Perfectly fine? Otherwise why would you choose to become a mod? :)
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Really...? You should clarify that with website owner.
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
You seem to be really annoyed.

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[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Nah not really..at least not right now :rolleyes: just trying to bring up some points
[Off-topic] I r o n M a n:
Precisely.

Quite often, members have received a warning or an infraction not because what they posted was against the rules, but because a mod personally felt that whatever posted was wrong.

Of course, mods are responsible enough to make their own decisions, but due to a few anomalies, a need for a defined course of action is felt. For example-

What exactly would be considered trolling? How is it to be decided if it is offensive or just in good humour? What action would be taken if it is considered offensive? Etcetera etcetera.

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[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Maybe I should get out of this thread...some people don't like my comments

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[Off-topic] mark manning:
Yes they do, plenty of mods have been retired for such violations
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
No your welcome. Just chatting.
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
True, everybody forget about Archangel?
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
I agree but. I think the main thing for them to keep an eye on is something of obvious offensive comments that put people down in an insulting manner or using insulting language.
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
My memory isn't exactly the best, or did it happen before I came into XDA?

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[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
His name was The Archangel

http://xdaforums.com/member.php?u=2913753

He was an active mod, and was perma-banned. The details of I'm not aware of.
[Off-topic] Archer:
I totally disagree. The only possible way you would think that would be if you were either biased through being previously punished by mods, or if you knew about 1% of the real story and the rest was filled in by someone who violated the rules and was punished.

It amazes me how many people say things like, "well all I did was use the word 'bum' and I got banned", when they've actually got a record going back 2 years of racism and bullying. Some people are actually lucky to be privileged enough to be posting on this forum in the first place.

The moderation team knows a lot more about what goes on in the forums than any of the regular members, but because someone's mate said they didn't deserve being banned then of course they didn't. Bad mods for banning everyone without them ever doing a thing wrong! That's exactly what happens :rolleyes:

And now back to the whole crux of the original meaning of this thread...

If you believe a moderator is in the wrong then report them. It does not get ignored. It is not treated with bias. It is judged fairly by people that had nothing to do with the incident in question. If you don't like that then you don't like the way the forum is run so you should show us who's boss and dwindle our numbers by leaving.
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
I don't remember, but I did see his name before.

So that's one.

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[Off-topic] I r o n M a n:
Something considered offensive by one person might be considered completely fine by another person. Everyone has a different viewpoint.

That is why we need concrete guidelines. This is offensive. This isn't.

That is the only way we don't succumb to the weaknesses of personal judgement.

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[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
All we can do is let mods judge for themselves. A guideline to figure out if something is offensive is not a good Idea because it essentially removes human reason from the equation.
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
I'm just scared a certain few are easily angered

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[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
What do you mean by that
[Off-topic] prototype7:
It goes both ways. Would you rather be punished by a robot, or someone who can see your side of the situation and give lenience? This conversation is deteriorating again.
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
I know of a retired mod....he used to be so strict around forums, and all of my infractions came from him.

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[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
That, and you cannot remove the "weakness of human judgement" cause human judgement will be used to make said guideline. Also, to write down every detail will make the guideline to large and thus making it unwieldy and a burden to use.
[Off-topic] mark manning:
This ^^^

The best thing to do is let us do our jobs. We talk amongst each other more than you will ever know.

When problems do arise, talk to us. We are all here for that reason and will always listen to reason. We don't like problems like this just as much as you all don't
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Ok but you can't hold a grudge on a whole group for what one person has done. Things happen
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
He has retired, along with my grudges

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[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Sh#& happens
[Off-topic] Archer:
We need to use our judgement when dealing with people. If we didn't then we'd just have a list of offences that would grow and grow and grow until you simply wouldn't post any more.

People would be infracted and banned for things that are perfectly acceptable in their country, but not in others. For example, in the States I believe the word 'p***ed' means angry. In the UK it means drunk, but it's not a parent/schoolyard/nun or priest friendly word. I'm sure there are much more controversial examples than that, but that's why judgement is required.

If there were a concrete list of "you cannot do this but you can do that" then moderating would be a lot easier, but members would have a lot less of an enjoyable experience on the forum than they do.

I'm not saying this as a moderator. I'm saying this as someone with a great deal of common sense (no that's not arrogant, it's a fact).
[Off-topic] veeman:
A robot. Then I would know exactly what to avoid.
[Off-topic] I r o n M a n:
+1

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[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
I'll just repost this here.

If you don't like what's on TV, change the damn channel.

Later dudes.

-kcco-
[Off-topic] prototype7:
If XDA were moderated by a robot programmed with a list of what is and isn't offensive, it'd be a pretty terrible place to do anything imho.
[Off-topic] veeman:
It sure would save them the resources that are so precious to them.
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Just imagine how the world would be if this were the case lol. The list of offences would be a trillion pages long
[Off-topic] Archer:
If you don't want to be constructive then please stay out of this conversation. A lot of people here are trying to make progress, not score points.
[Off-topic] prototype7:
The cynical attempted trolling isn't helping here. The mods are clearly listening, there's no need to pick apart everything they say and twist their words like that, and it isn't accomplishing anything.

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Archer, your common sense is showing.
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
It has been showing lol. I think mods are doing the best they can and that their really is nothing to be done
[Off-topic] Archer:
See, I told you :p
[Off-topic] veeman:
I'm pretty sure people aren't idiots. They would learn what to avoid fairly quick.
[Off-topic] prototype7:
That's a pretty bold assumption.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Oh please... ignore Skinny's post too while you're at it.
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Robots don't forgive. You will regret

Lol
[Off-topic] Archer:
So how do things get added to the list of offences? Is it whenever someone complains then it's automatically added? That sounds ridiculous to me as I could complain about anything then and it would become an offence.

No that won't work. I know, let's get a person to review the issues and decide if things should become offences or not and then we can judge actions based on that list. Brilliant!

That's what we have now.

Drop this stupid idea of a "robot list".
[Off-topic] Archer:
Nothing to ignore. It was actually more sensible than a lot of recent posts in this thread.

If you have an issue with it then please report it and explain why. The moderator team will happily look into your issue, as always.
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
You know your talking to a mod
[Off-topic] veeman:
It's not going to be a script that decides what offences are. It'll still be people.

All I'm saying is I agree with Iron Man's idea of having a concrete list of things that are offences and what type of offence. For community awareness and a sort of "look up table" for moderators.
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
It still essentially removes human reason
[Off-topic] Archer:
Yes. That's the forum rules.
[Off-topic] veeman:
I believe it has to do with the mass bannings happening. I wish I'd taken screenshots.
[Off-topic] SimonTS:
I have only in the last hour or so seen the locked thread and the discussion in there. I have had no part of this and have been absent from OT for a while now, mainly because of the direction it has taken and the fact the new members are being freely allowed (hell, encouraged even) to use it as a shortcut to getting their 10-posts and then accessing the Development Forums.

However ... to give someone a ban for opening a thread with the title "He's back bit**es" (edited to ensure I don't get banned) is, frankly, asinine. The moderators involved might wish to have a read of Wikipedia;-

I would certainly not have taken any offense to seeing a thread with that title, and whether I took offense to being called it to my face would depend on the context and who was doing it. If it was one of my good friends then I would take it in the manner it was intended - friendly, joking, but if it was someone I didn't know then I would likely take their head off.

The world we live in is going mad, political correctness is rampant and destroying what many of us have grown up with, but XDA used to be a pool of calm reason in the middle of that world. If someone is going to be banned for using the word "bit**es" then you will have to start banning people for ANYTHING that ANYBODY could possibly take as offensive - that means instant bans for anyone who dares to mention politics, religion, sexuality, colour ... get the idea? How about just shutting OT and only allowing direct discussion relating to Mobile Phone Development once more :eek:
[Off-topic] Prawesome:
Well.. I will try and explain it to you in the best way I can mate :)

Veeman got banned for posting in a thread made by Quasimodem's junior account and for posting a Jesus meme(The regular ones, nothing out of the ordinary)

Roofrider got banned for quoting a post made by Quasimodem.

Sleepy got warned(or banned, I don't remember) for making a thread with the word "*****" in it

CTM used the same word "*****" and its completely OK according to the same moderator who gave this warning(or banning) to Sleepy..

So everyone is now disturbed as to how people are getting treated unfairly here :/
[Off-topic] roofrider:
We are not accusing all the mods here. You can clearly see who those select few are.
[Off-topic] Archer:
Thanks, but that's only a small part of the story. I just don't want to start chucking opinions round without all the details.
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
I've seen a mod sit on a thread for hours on end, trying to find fault with what people say...

Seen him arbitrarily delete posts from months back...

Comes off as a bit obsessive-compulsive, if you ask me.

Even if it's not an ocd, it's rather unhealthy behavior IMO... just looking through threads to delete stuff...

Maybe the mod committee has assigned him this job, but it still seems rather... off... to a normal user.
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
Just two examples of hypocritical actions and unfair bannings, [MENTION=2764168]Sleepy![/MENTION] Made a thread with the title ,"he's back *****es" and received a warning, controutman says the same word and no action (and yes, i reported it)... Today controutman banned [MENTION=4186558]roofrider[/MENTION] for quoting a post, yes the post he quoted was out of line, but he quoted a post, in no way is that against any rules and definitely not worth a ban and it seems a different mod agrees because he was promptly unbanned.

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[Off-topic] Prawesome:
Oh and I just picked that off the too of my mind.. I apologize if anything in there is wrong
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
You may have a point.

Since the new moderation policies have slowly taken effect over the last few months I rarely visit OT as a forum, instead sticking to my participated threads tab.

I do feel however, that there are some things that are being overreacted to.
[Off-topic] prototype7:
What are the mods' opinions on the situation? Not getting much of the other half of the discussion here.
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
Let's just take this opportunity to have an open discussion about everything that's been going on around OT.

Not just the happenings of today.
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
Archer is the only one responding because the ones in the wrong know they are, in fact, in the wrong

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin
[Off-topic] Archer:
Okay, as far as the Quasi thing goes, surely you can understand that someone that was banned for reasons that moderators (out of respect for both you and YES the banned member) do not go into details about, making multiple new accounts with the sole purpose of trying to wind up moderators and admins, the actual people who run this site that you get so much out of, is NOT acceptable.

If you can understand that then maybe you can understand mods getting narked at a bunch of people following these new, rule-breaking accounts, around and having a good old laugh about it, rather than reporting it and letting us do what we're here to do.

What happens with a member is their business. If they tell you they spewed gold onto the mods and they banned them and you believe it then you're not using common sense. We do not ban people without reason. Whether you know the truth about it has nothing to do with us as we have the good grace to not discuss it, out of respect. Maybe it wasn't gold they were spewing.

I wasn't involved in dealing with that matter particularly, but knowing ALL THE FACTS as a moderator, I do agree with it. A lot of you seem to think I'm level headed, so maybe you'll just think about that for a moment.

As for the "*****" thing, I can't comment without looking further into it as I know very little at this point. I'll change that, but my opinion is more than likely going to be just that. Mine.

Thanks for the info :)
[Off-topic] prototype7:
Well, it should be clear to everyone that there's been quite a bit of tension ever since the new moderation policies were introduced, and these aren't the people who should have been affected by it. The policy was to target the ib4l posts and over the top, abusive trolling, which the people who left soon after didn't take part in. Clearly something is wrong with how the rules are being enforced.
[Off-topic] Clark Joseph Kent:
Some one tag me in the OP, as now.....I am watching this thread...reading.

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[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
So you're saying they had reason to ban a member for quoting a post, I think not :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: if you think that your just like the rest of them and looking out for your mod brethren

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