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[Off-topic] Prawesome:
Point is, people are getting banned everywhere.. For weird reasons. OT is full of it and I won't be wastingy time explaining all that stuff again
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
If they don't take action against controutman for cursing in open forum they all are hypocritical... :rolleyes:;)

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[Off-topic] Archer:
I've not been around as much recently, for personal business (in the words of Grace from Ferris Bueller's Day Off, "It's personal, and it's none of your business" :)) but I've seen this thrown around quite a bit and it seems to be the crux of a disagreement. Could someone explain for me, with links, what went on?
[Off-topic] prototype7:
I'm not, I'm right with you. I just don't think acting like every single mod is out to get us is going to help. Mark manning is the cause of all the tension here lately, so let's discuss how, and why, in a way that the mods will actually listen to.
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
Ok. I've been in OT a decent amount of time (Yes CTM, I DO remember Dan Wilson....).

Here's the thing, I for one feel that there are issues with certain moderation policies. I am not saying that hateful (or hurtful) trolling should be allowed (it shouldn't) but some of the stuff certain mods have been cracking down on is just silly. No one really posts GTFO outside of the mafia thread (which is no longer an issue, since it's locked...) inb4l doesn't happen anymore, and most of the issues are with new users visiting OT for the first time.

Come on, let's use a little common sense. Yes, it's the internet and context can be lost....but it's getting ridiculous here. Maybe retraining is in order for newer mods to distinguish between actual trolling that's hurtful and joking around. Maybe not.

I do know this....I feel OT isn't the same, and it isn't the regulars whom are at fault IMO

Just my two cents, not that what I think matters.
[Off-topic] prototype7:
That's the issue... "cursing" isn't defined. I don't get offended by words, others do. I personally think it's dumb that anyone would have action taken against them for just using the word *****.
[Off-topic] Archer:
We treat every report seriously, and judge them to the best of our abilities. Every case is different so they very often do not get treated the same. This may seem unfair to some, but they're not the ones who have to deal with hundreds of reports of idiocy.
[Off-topic] Android Pizza:
Uh...I somewhat agree.

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[Off-topic] prototype7:
Hard to get links when an overzealous mod deletes everything.

---------- Post added at 05:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:57 PM ----------

Look at the screenshot flast posted in the third post. Can you say that the report was being taken seriously and given a reasonable response? Doesn't look that way to me.
[Off-topic] Archer:
I think you know I respect you as a fellow OT member - we're both long timers here. However, to say that GTFO only happened in the mafia thread, and that IB4L doesn't happen is just wrong. It happens a lot more than you think. Maybe if you were in a position of having to deal with real trolling (not the jokey type), you'd realise just how rife it really is. (I mean no dis. I just think you've missed some things).
[Off-topic] SimonTS:
Thanks for replying, but yet again the entire point has been missed.

Why can a Senior Moderator say p***, yet we were openly warned that if we did that we would get an infraction.

You may be Moderators, but you are still Members too. The Police may enforce the law of the land, but they are still subject to the same law.

quis custodiet ipsos custodes
[Off-topic] undercover:
Indeed. Step back a bit people? It's getting a bit personal, don't you think?

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
If users enter information into their own profile, that is their choice.
[Off-topic] roofrider:
We don't want the "+"es regarding 10 post rule here please, there is thread for that in About XDA.
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
Well this thread is being filled more and more, so naturally I will reply to the post you make.

In communication, especially written, it's important to be able to make a concise sum-up of things. I often see situations develop where the issue wouldn't have arisen, had those involved had some idea of how to communicate effectively in writing.

If you had included that in your post, it would be fine, we could stop wasting time dealing with this point and look at it. I have no idea about that situation, but suggest that you would have been best to talk to the forum lead or the MC about that matter. They would be able to shed some light on it.
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
That's been brought up time and time again.

The official answer we've received this far is:

That while the powers that be would prefer new users get their ten posts by being helpful in device forums (not dev obviously) it's better getting them in ot if they can't be helpful.

Or am I wrong?

Please correct if I am mods/admins
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
[MENTION=3038832]undercover[/MENTION], posts like this are how the big arguments break out. If you don't agree, is there a need to get confrontational about it?

I wonder if this is part of the OT issue?
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
That's because it is taking long enough for the actual issue to emerge. At that point we can see what needs done. Until then though, we just have more and more back-and-forth arguing over what the root issue is... That just delays getting things sorted.
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Silence isn't always golden

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[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Coconuts
[Off-topic] veeman:
Not a good response imo.
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
:good:
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
OK. I see the problem now...

This post is a good example. THIS is what is wrong with OT. Someone is making a totally pointless, contentless post, getting in the way of something constructive.

From what I can see, this kind of immature behaviour is the issue we are facing in OT.

So go on, [MENTION=4469251]powerpoint45[/MENTION], do feel free to explain yourself, and why the above post was mature, and sensible, and in line with the discussion, before I have to decide what to do with you... For being a perfect example of the idiocy we see in OT that causes the tension we face right now.
[Off-topic] darkshadow246:
Wow

Just posting so I can see how and where this goes

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[Off-topic] veeman:
Thanks for the reply. I actually wasn't expecting anyone to respond to that. I'm just going to sit back and read through this again.
[Off-topic] cascabel:
it's safe to say we're all on the same page with regards to those types of posts. would've commented on it but you beat me too it.
[Off-topic] pstevep:
You felt I was disrespectful?

Well I apologize for you feeling that way. It still wasn't needed. I haven't gone after one person here.

What response do you want?

Before anything "official" will ever happen everyone will have to take a step back and realize they aren't the only ones on this site.

Why can a mod cuss and a non mod not? They can't.

Everyone points at the Scotsman saying taking the piss. Technically speaking piss isn't a "swear" word in context. Plus where he is from that is a saying that isn't derogatory.

I don't think mods should be using fowl language either. I however am not the one to discipline them for it.

Everyone needs to breathe a bit here. This is an Internet forum. Hopefully we all have real lives outside of here.
[Off-topic] mikef:
But eventually the million monkeys in a room typing random words would produce a masterpiece? :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] zelendel:
Well to be honest we shouldn't. We all have bad days. I dont swear often and think it has no place in modern society but even I have lost it a few times and have. Most know my epic post. The difference is I was willing to accept my ban for it as I knew I messed up. Would I have deserved to be banned for breaking the rules? Yup and I would have taken it like a man and not whinned about it.

Wayne Tech Nexus
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
I had taken it up to MC but I was advised against it by some friends and I took it back. But you missed my point again. I agree that you have so much of other work and its darn bit difficult to read all through the trash being posted but just outright BOOM!! without actually knowing or trying to understand what we are trying to say is a NO NO.

We all actually are very capable of putting forward what actually happened but sometimes... Its just a formality. We HAVE to abide by what the Mod decides.

" to err.. is human " but to think and demand people to think they were right and not budge an inch ( even after clear evidence is shoved up their nose ) is pure ______.

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[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
Actually I was checking if this thread was still open. It says thread closed several posts back.
[Off-topic] undercover:
It was not confrontational at all. He repeatedly said that he might be judging a book by the cover I just confirmed it. He seemed to understand it, you missed the point.

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[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
So you skipped from the first page to the last? Very brave.

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[Off-topic] Android Pizza:
New posts are coming in every minute...was that really necessary?

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[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
Still was highly immature. If you want to know if it's closed or not, you look at the icon that says "Post Reply", or "Thread Closed"

And before you say "oh, but Tapatalk"... Just open the browser, there's a lovely button that takes you right to this thread.

Are you sure you're being truthful, as I had a good look through your post history there... And what you write in the OT forum...
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
So if I'm from a place where a certain swear word is fine to be used... I can use it here? ( that's what I understood there )

And yup we aren't the only ones on the XDA server but we actually care about this place as much as you do and the way its going ( downhill )... We just want to stop it. That's all :)

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[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
Starting "You are wrong." is rather blunt and frankly more likely than not to cause confrontation... Try look at it from everyone's perspective, and the tone it puts onto the whole thread for other people reading it...
[Off-topic] cascabel:
tapatalk has that huge icon that shows a thread's locked, too. :D

like i said, even the regulars will agree with any mod that says that post is/was uncalled for. so at least we agree on that. we're not out to flame mods or anything. we're as tired of the stuff that goes on in ot like you guys are... but we also feel that the frustrations are vented the wrong way. if i'm not making sense, i apologize.
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
And now their has been 4 or 5 replies to my AMAZING comment. Seems like y'all don't care about staying on topic. I wasn't going to reply again but so many people just love talking to me on this thread. Heck you should change the topic to coconuts or "maturity level sucks"... feed the fire?

Peace
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
That makes good sense.

The trouble is, there was an awfully large amount of "ganging together". If you want to associate yourself with a "gang", in real life, then you can and will end up in jail for being associated with them - your association is enough in many jurasdictions to justify the investigation which would find you supporting gang activities...

Lately there were, as I understand, issues relating to maturity in threads. If people want to be associated as part of one of the "insular groups" (these groups know who they are/were), then that's their own free choice. By doing so, if that group becomes problematic when there is some leeway, you are putting yourself into that position.

I think you're right here - the issue is not around if posting "coconuts" is OK. But if there are frustrations, is everyone being helpful in alleviating those? Or are some people passively allowing them to compound.

The maturity level of posts in OT is the one thing I'd have to criticise from looking around. Some people find it "fun" apparently to do what I can only describe as "spam". They make posts with 1 or 2 words, of no actual significance to any discussion or conversation. Is that what OT is meant to be about?
[Off-topic] SimonTS:
Just as I took my infraction on the chin months ago and didn't whine about it.

My point is that context doesn't matter any more. The context is defined by the writer, not by the reader, so unless it is blatant then how can a Mod determine the intent and punish accordingly.

I'm well aware how The Scotsman intended the word to be used, but the fact that he chose to * out the of the letters shows that he was aware of the potential problem in using it.
[Off-topic] undercover:
You are wrong

:p

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[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
Oh geez... If ever I saw a troll there is one. This is a serious thread where people are trying to resolve issues.

Your comment was not amazing, and you think you're a wise-guy.

You're not. Take a few hours to calm down and think about your own maturity.
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
It is not, IMO.

I remember a time when we got together and had pleasant conversations about where we were from, what we were doing, interesting things we had seen/done, posted links to interesting articles (some tech related, some not).

THIS (to me at least) what ot was about and meant for.

I miss those days
[Off-topic] roofrider:
The regulars do concur with you on this.
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
Grow up. Some of us are trying to help here. I've taken most of my Saturday to try and help you guys get something amicable resolved, and you want to troll?

Grow up. I thought we wanted to try and get things solved, and find a workable way forward? Or are we here to mess around? Your choice... if we're messing around, I don't need to help any more and I can go get on with things.
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
I actually raised some genuine points back up there... Ignore PowerPoint for now :p

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[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
Indeed, that, to me, is what OT is about. And I think you'd find every single mod will agree with me on this.

If that is what OT was about, there would be hardly any need for mods to be here except in the capacity of joining in too...

I used to post a few times in OT, a few years ago, when people used to post interesting links to news articles, or funny stories in a foreign newspaper about a cow getting stuck up some stairs, and needing a demolition team to remove it...

If that is what OT is about, and the rest can stop, I really don't think there would be any kind of issue... As there would be no problems, and this would all be over. The trouble is the threads created, apparently, with the intention of "spamming", and "trolling" each other.

It would be really nice to see some more maturity in posting. I had to give one person in this thread a few hours to cool-down after trying to derail this thread. That's the kind of behaviour we need to avoid. Instead, if people contributed like you said in the old days, there wouldn't be any problem at all, I don't think.
[Off-topic] freakboy13:
This thread is turning into all the other threads about bishhing about stuff but....

I see no progress other than now we are focusing on spam posts. Yes I know its a prob.

But the real problems imo seem to be personal on both ends.

From mods to users.

Im not seeing any ideas/ resolutions etc just a lot of fingerpointing.

Whats the point of this thread if it's just gonna turn into all the other ot threads complaining about xda ot?

OP this thread was a brilliant idea but how about we stick to the purpose of this thread:

Resolving issues of bad feelings of one another and or xda.

I see some of the regulars have left, one stating its getting weird around here.

We gotta fix this guys.

You dont wanna be left with just nonlulz types like myself.

Mods/ users please, we are all a family here lets resolve this and get on with the awesomeness of xda I have grown to love. Getting rid of xda OT would be like closing down the local pub .... :(

I hope im not 8ntruding with this comment here.

Just my 2cents.

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[Off-topic] pstevep:
No. I figured that would be the point taken from that. Alas it was more of a cautionary tale about how you don't know what is and isn't acceptable other places. He apologized for the statement.

If you guys care as much, why are we all still arguing? Essentially we are fighting for the same things. Why not try to come together instead of pointing fingers?
[Off-topic] powerpoint45:
My opinion is that words on the black list are the only ones that should be regulated. If you want to add something to that list you could tell a mod but they may disagree. I personally don't agree with fowl language although it slips every once in a while but people have the right to use whatever they want as long as they are not offending anyone. Mods have same rules as users. Don't see anything wrong with how it is set up. Anyone want to post a counterargument. I think we are all essentially saying the exact same thing over and over... so what exactly do we have to argue. Their is only one side and what we are doing is fighting our own side. What exactly are you trying to get "sorted" out? Every comment that is not a comeback seems to be saying the same as all the others.
[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
Oops, I had started this post somewhere else, but can't find the tab now.

Well if you decided to go by "some friends", that's perhaps not the best way to look at things... Go based on your own views, not those of "friends" - that will always help you in life :)

Well, moderation is about looking at what is going on. Although it is possible often to identify immediate misconduct, and act on it outright while looking back at what is going on. While you might not agree, consider the situation where person A annoys person B, person B retaliates, person A ups the ante, and person B then goes too far and does something totally out of line.

If someone takes something beyond the line, they will be dealt with regardless of what happened before that. There's no reason to take things into your own hands and break rules yourself - it's important to step out of arguments etc if it gets out of hand, and take the high road. If you get drawn into confrontation, then just like in real life, you can find yourself in the "dock", so to speak.

I am not sure of the specific situation and this isn't meant to be related to it, as I wanted to just make a generic example. If someone does something that you think will cause you to get into trouble, don't retaliate, hit the report button, and go do something else and don't worry about it.

Mods can and will budge where necessary. But just to pre-empt something, if the budging being requested is to be more lenient on someone who did break a rule, because of them being popular, or being "provoked", or "because", that's not really going to happen. I personally don't care if someone provoked you, and you then went and broke all the rules, as you still did it.

(you doesn't mean you in particular, you in the loose sense of "the reader")
[Off-topic] undercover:
Seriously? A joke to lighten the mood makes me immature?

Yeah, go on mate, you get on with whatever you are doing since only very few are actually hearing what users are saying. Might as well ignore all that and enjoy your weekend since weather is very good for a change.

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[Off-topic] pulser_g2:
[MENTION=3038832]undercover[/MENTION], I thought you were someone who was annoyed by the situation and wanted OT back the way it used to be?

It might be a joke to "lighten the mood", but in a thread like this, it really isn't the most helpful. I'm listening to people, because I want to see it get solved. But we have to try and stick to being serious, and hold off on the jokes, at least until we can get things sorted out. Then jokes resume :)

I do stand by saying it was immature, for the simple reason that you made a short, contentless post, just after someone else was told off for doing that. I'm keen to see this resolved as much as anyone, but we all have to work together, and keep things relevant and on-track to do that soon :)
[Off-topic] shree_tejas:
Those " friends " are some really great and respected members here. And even I knew it was going to end up in a David Goliath faceoff but I would lose anyways.

And just to clarify... My situation was...

Person A speaks crap. Person B try's to reason and correct him. Person A goes berserk. Person B retaliates having been showered with sudden hatred. Person A ups the ante. Person B calms down and Try's reasoning again. Person C suddenly pops in and BOOM BOOM POW and the posts are deleted and B gets the warning and A is well on his way making another thread.

And guess what? I was accused of supporting and patronising a banned ROM ( but actually I was helping that poor guy understand that his head was messed up but in a nice way. )

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[Off-topic] undercover:
Constructive and straight to the point. Appreciate that. Let's carry on then. Anyone able to summarise what we have achieved so far? Sorry, i see nothing.

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] cascabel:
tbh, i thought this thread was going nowhere fast.

well, "ganging up" certainly is one way to put it (dependig on your perspective, of course). But to be completely honest, I never saw it that way. Of course, I may be wrong, but I'm looking at it in a different way than you are. Here in ot we develop relationships that are difficult to come by in dev threads. I hope you understand that.

With regards to maturity, well, I'm not going to argue. I admit to posting stupid stuff, and I'm not proud of it. Thing is, even the members get tired of that, and we don't need mods to tell us that has no place in ot. :) we realize that, and we do try in our own ways to contain it as much as we can without having to break the rules.

Spam and "fun" are different things (again I'll admit I've contributed to both), and I'll agree with your sentiments.

About the frustrations, I really hope this thread will be able to solve that.

Just my opinion.