yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Off-topic] roofrider:
I think it'll be more professional for a user to receive a notification/PM of some sort after he logs in, if the appeal has been successful and has resulted in the ban being lifted.

To elaborate, someone gets a 2 day ban, so he leaves to come back after 3 days or more but his appeal has been processed and his ban has been lifted in let's say 8 hours. When he returns he will not know if his ban had expired or if his ban was revoked much earlier. :confused:
[Off-topic] MikeChannon:
We do refine things from time to time and I'm all for notifying people directly about warnings, final warnings, bans, appeals etc. Pulser mentioned some posts back though, that some things are possible on smaller sites that are just not possible on a site this size. We have 1500 new users every day and 60000 posts. This generates a huge moderation task and although we try, giving personal PMs for each and every action a Mod takes is just not possible.

Get more Moderators you may say and we do progressively add more, but that in itself is no easy task, not to mention that we can't just appoint Moderators and then forget about them. It's a continual process that involves a huge effort behind the scenes.

Moderators do a very good job and one where they will never please everybody. Some may act more harshly than some users might like and some may be too lenient. If you looked at a single Moderator you'd probably conclude they were too soft sometimes and too hard at others; in other words most of the time you'd disagree with them:p

It's not like the old days though, where we can publicly debate specific actions in a thread. It just doesn't work. Too many folk chip in with comments, often relating to side issues and the whole matter gets discussed to death with no very satisfactory outcome. This is why we have a Moderator Committee and Admins who should be contacted about problems with Moderation. BUT, they need to be professionally made complaints, with evidence links, and have some substance to them. Spare a thought for those who need to investigate matters. Ask yourself if it is really a big major issue or is it something that would otherwise be forgotten about in a day or two. We need members to work with us, not against us, we know we're not perfect and we'll not achieve perfect consistency across 100 Moderators so allow us a bit of leeway.

Incidentally, as a former user of the OT Forum, I have always defended it. I think it is a useful part of xda-developers... a fun and social area. It has though, shown some signs of becoming slightly ridiculous and just a level too immature in some places. We need your (everyone here) help, to raise it up a level but still keep it fun. Don't use it to have fun at others expense or raise problems or accusations that Moderators and Admins cannot track or don't even see. Use proper reporting channels for Moderation issues, OT is not the place.

Mike
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
You can suggest it all you want, but that won't make it true.

I posted this thread initially due to [MENTION=4186558]roofrider[/MENTION]'s ban and another issue regarding double standards that has already been discussed more than it deserves to be.

While I do talk to [MENTION=2624398]Quasimodem[/MENTION], he wasn't involved in the conceptualisation of this thread.

You're welcome to regard my statement with mistrust, but it's the truth.

If I wanted to protest the ban... I'd have named this thread 'Stop Unfair Bans' and not 'Double Standards'.

So please... let me just set the record straight. This isn't an 'Unban Quasimodem' thread. I know how futile such an effort would be. :rolleyes:

This is a discussion thread, as the OP states.

EDIT: I feel that enough discussion has been done by now, and that this thread needs to be closed once and for all.

Requested thread closure. :)
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
Thread has now been closed.

We (the XDA Admin and Mod team) want to thank everybody for participating and providing us with valuable input so we can continue to make XDA "The Place" to be and be seen :)

We hope the lines of communication remain open between the members and XDA staff as we really value each and every single one of you! :good:

We will continue to work even harder for the OT forum to become and remain a welcoming place for anyone ;)

Regards,

M_T_M
[Off-topic] Prawesome:
Sorry. As I said in a post after that, I just wrote things off the top of my mind
[Off-topic] Android Pizza:
I took screenshots of everything that happened in Bobo's thread.

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[Off-topic] Prawesome:
CTM is a member of the Mod Committee
[Off-topic] veeman:
I've got 8 pages so far.
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
From Mark's wording of the warning, he seemed to be giving the warning as he had a perception that I was 'trying to get a rise out of the moderation team'.

Well, I. wasn't. When one looks for problems, one is sure to find them.

Just for the sake of putting it all out, I'll also attach the reply I sent him.

It expresses my feelings in a rather snarky manner.

Dear Sir,

I have received your 'warning' and taken

stock of its implications.

I would also like to take this opportunity

to rid you of the notion that my actions

were taken to 'get a rise out of the

moderation team'.

Let me assure you that all the posts I

make on XDA are made in spite of the (in

my opinion) occasionally partial

moderation, and not because of it.

I don't have the time or motivation to try

and spite the moderators of an internet

forum.

At the same time, I do understand the

violation of rules embodied in my use of

the word '*****es', and will take proper

steps to ensure that such a violation

doesn't take place in the future.

Thanks,

Krushna

(Sleepy!)
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
Okay but if there is an issue you need to provide us something to work with. I haven't closely scrutinised Marks actions but I can honestly say that I haven't seen anything to cause me concern as of yet.

Simply making vague posts about "certain mods" does not help anyone adress an issue at all. I'd suggest a pm to the mod committee account.

Edit.

And for what it's worth I will not be involving myself in any Mod Committee discussion around the issue of off topic due to my involvement in this thread and the situation in general. You'll have to take my word for that (which I'm sure some of you won't) however I'd hope that those of you who've been around for a while and know me a little better will.
[Off-topic] Prawesome:
He deletes or closes almost everything. How are we supposed to get any proof of things we don't have? I suppose people have posted what they do have, here, in this thread

---------- Post added at 01:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:34 AM ----------

To make it simple, IMHO, he's a bit too rash in his decisions..
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
Noted. Given that notatreofan was tagged in the OP you can rest assured that this will be picked up on.
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
I agree with the comments being made about Mark manning.

He goes overboard in his mod duties. Way overboard.

He involved himself in a discussion I was having months ago in the mafia thread. Jumping in with not only no back story, but no reason to comment or pm me about it

(Just an example)

(Yes, I know it's been said not to call out individual mods, but I think he's the reason for a lot of the issues mentioned here)
[Off-topic] P1Tater:
I feel left out. I wasn't tagged in the op or any other post. No one loves me anymore. :(

Digging in now and doing some reading. :)
[Off-topic] mark manning:
I'm on mobile so if my grammar isn't up to par I apologize

Let's make this clear. You all seem to think myself and other moderators care more about OT than our other forums. We don't. We have 40+ other forums all with their own drama. Have your mafia thread, don't have your mafia thread, post in OT, or don't post in OT. We could care less. You also seem to think I just go around deleting whatever posts I see fit or closing random threads. I don't. If I did, chances are I wouldn't be mod.

To be honest I probably have the least amount of mod actions in the OT forum out of my entire team. Truth is you all have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. If you don't think I see every time you guys bad mouth me you are sorely mistaken. The thing is I could care less because I do know what goes on behind closed doors and it is nothing like what you guys seem to think does.

If CTM was out of line my team leader crachel would have said something to the other MCs about him. My response was a cut and past from crachel as to what I needed to reply about the report. In terms of sleepy I did get his reply and it was noted for the future. He only got a warning nothing more.

The only double standard I see is that you all seem to think OT has a different set of rules compared to the rest of the forum which it does not. Seriously, this whole bit of drama as of late it's unnecessary. We truly don't care what you guys do or who does it as long it is in the confines of the rules posted at the top of the page by MikeChannon. We posted a reminder about some rules that needed reminding here. This is no different then GPL warnings put up in Dev sections, or warnings on no questions in general sections. Rules go up in forums that need specific reminders all the time here. You guys just took it as we were coming at you. This was not the case. We want you to enjoy your time here and to have fun.

/rant
[Off-topic] King Ding-a-ling:
I think I called this about 6 months ago in the Gli. I'd like to remind everyone that mods are like cops. They stick together in their abuse of power and cover each others tracks. It's how it works in any scenario were there is a hierarchy of power. I still don't know why I was banned and infracted so many times for actions that Mods themselves engage in. I did what every user in this thread is doing right now, which is stand up for myself (with a bad choice of wording), and what did it get me? A permanent ban.

Even if a large amount of users get banned, XDA still has its 5million users. It wouldn't matter one bit if the majority of them were banned. They have their OEM sponsorships, and their beloved devs. A user is nothing to XDA management. You are all disposable.

Long live Quasi
[Off-topic] prototype7:
[MENTION=712461]P1Tater[/MENTION]

:p
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Me neither, bro. :(
[Off-topic] roofrider:
Your wrong there, some do..well not more but they do. Just goes to show you know nothing.

Back to reading the rest of your post now.
[Off-topic] prototype7:
You're not important though :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
Mark Manning, the expression is "couldn't care less" saying you could care less means exactly that, you COULD care less... Just saying, sorry, one of my pet peeves, right along with irregardless

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin
[Off-topic] mark manning:
Lol duly noted
[Off-topic] JknRich:
Why is he a mod.

Can't even write correctly.

Just saying.

My N⁴ barked at me! Why? Because your missus just text me ;)
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
That's gonna get us nowhere fast, while I'm guilty of calling him out in the same manner it's pointless and ignorant because it makes us look petty and dumb. I agree his grammar isn't the best, but nobody is perfect, let's keep this to his mistakes in the forum, not the mistakes in his grammar

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin
[Off-topic] Archer:
Errr...

:silly:
[Off-topic] Android Pizza:
Mind the beginning of his post.

Sent from my Motorola Atrix HD using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
[Off-topic] Archer:
Yeah, that. If we're not going to discuss properly and constructively then there's no point in this. Clearly many mods are up for discussion on this issue so let's keep it going :)
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
Hmmm... The irony, it is delicious. :rolleyes:

Can we refrain from simply making insulting comments and try to at least add to the discussion constructively in one way or another please?

Edit. Never mind, eleventy billion people beat me to it.
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
Mark... I don't care about the warning. You could ban me, and I wouldn't GAF.

I've just made this thread because off topic has had an undercurrent of repressed resentment towards the moderation of late...

I just want that resentment to go away, hence this thread. :o
[Off-topic] undercover:
Dafuq is going on here? Seriously guys, stop. This is just going to far and once again I find myself in the situation where I feel like an instigator.

Anyway. All I'm seeing is that it's a blame game over and over. "it's your fault, no it's your" bla ****ing bla. No constructive conversation. On that note, and i know it means nothing to you people, I'm just another "user" I'm ****ing out. Really really had enough of this bull****. We either address the issues like grown up people or just leave it alone. As you can see, I'm well pissed off with all that atm.

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] JknRich:
Ok after my little jab. And my warm up joke. Here is my two cents.

How can one person get a warning for using the word *****es or ***** or *****ing and someone else does not.

Yes that one point out if a very long story but Jesus. Can't anyone see why people are upset, angry and god dam annoyed.

Mods are being over the top. Have no common sense. Will watch out for each other and won't take what people say on board. What is xda with out the users. It is nothing!

Deleting peoples post means in my eyes mods can't discus the problems they know there in the wrong destroy it before it gets anywhere.

I hate what I am reading. That the mods can't even see that there are problems and they won't do anything to help.

What the hell is the point.

My N⁴ barked at me! Why? Because your missus just text me ;)
[Off-topic] veeman:
Stinky, it's all your fault. :o
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
Don't like it, don't participate, easy enough

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin
[Off-topic] mark manning:
Well I think this turned out to be a good idea. I shouldn't have closed it.

We are all here to talk openly and maturely with you all about any issues you guys feel that need to be addressed
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
That's part of the problem. Why not simply be open about any issues as they happen instead of allowing this bad feeling to simmer until it boils over?

As Archer said earlier, we are all human and all have differing opinions but you won't find a mod who isn't willing to discuss their actions with you (except where the details of a third party are concerned) and try to reach an amicable resolution.

Admittedly this may not have been apparent lately but given the constant stream of public anti mod sentiment that's no wonder.

There are always going to be differences of opinion. It's how we discuss and react to them that's makes all the difference.
[Off-topic] P1Tater:
Smarty pants..... :D

Irregardless, irregardless, irregardless.... :D. Sorry, I couldnt resist.

Now back to my reading. Will post my humble opinion shortly.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Because when we try to be open about the issues, the post just gets deleted and the user gets told to not insult mods. :/
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
Exactly this, if it's not okay for the common user it's not okay for a mod to do it either

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
I'm glad to see that you guys can also see the resentment that's been festering here.

Let's just use this forum to have an open discussion of what the members AND the mods feel needs to change about Off-Topic.

[MENTION=3038832]undercover[/MENTION] I'm trying to foster constructive debate here... Y u make me feel guilty? :(:o
[Off-topic] Sleepy!:
OP changed...

[MENTION=712461]P1Tater[/MENTION] you happy now? :angel:
[Off-topic] Archer:
If you believe you have a valid point then a PM will do much more than a public vent. Public vent threads don't generally contribute to the forum, and public bashing of ANY member, be it a mod or not, is not appreciated. As moderators, we all make decisions ourselves when a thread is not clearly in violation of the rules, but I will close any thread I see to be belittling someone. That's just me. Sort it in private, man to man. If the mod just tells you to stfu then report the PM and let the MC or Admins deal with it. I don't see what's so hard about that.
[Off-topic] mark manning:
I won't normally explain myself for an action on a different member but he got the warning because of how he used the word. Some words have different meanings even though it is the same word. Saying b!tches is a derogatory statement whether it is being used as a term of endearment or not. What CTM said has the definition of complaining. Same word, different meanings. He already said he should of used a better choice of words.
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
Well to be fair, in any other forum we'd insist that such conversations are done via pm so OT should be no different. There's simply too much potential for a public discussion on moderation to be derailed and result in no proper resolution.

Secondly, from what I've seen in here lately there's a lack of polite enquiry about decisions and more demanding/complaining about them. That's not directed at you btw just a general observation. Now I appreciate that's probably because things have not previously been dealt with and minor issues compound to create huge dramas but surely we all agree that a line has to be drawn and it needs to stop?
[Off-topic] undercover:
Nah. I'm too drunk to think straight atm. Don't feel guilty at all mate, it's your right to exercise freedom of speech. Oh, wait, xda is bit /not a democracy...

[MENTION=1501380]flast[/MENTION]noles, yep, I'm out. Fed up with all that ****. Ask any long standing RC, I've been standing up for what is "right" for a long time. Unfortunately, xda "right" seems to be different from the user "right".

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] P1Tater:
I feel so loved now.:p

Edit......

Well, I've read the entire thread word for word on the way to eat with the family. The wifey has asked me to eat with the family and not post until later. Please give me one hour +/- to eat and I will chime in.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Bull****, ctm. Absolute bull****. Open conversation with people that are friendly with each other can bring results. What's happening atm is you (mofs) are trying to show as if you ate participating but are still covering your ears and going "la la la la la".... Start listening maybe?

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
I disagree, is a curse word either way, if you wouldn't say it in church, you shouldn't say it on a family friendly forum and therefore should be punished accordingly

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin

---------- Post added at 06:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:35 PM ----------

I had my title stripped for standing up for what was right, so i know what you mean

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin
[Off-topic] JknRich:
Yeah the line can be drawn when mods admit the error of there ways and listen to what the user has to say.

For it to go public it must not be getting anywhere via pm.

In my eyes the mod team could have not had all this by listening to what users are saying. To what the people of xda are saying. Not safe guarding the mod team a secret team.

Ask your self why its got to this point where people don't care about being banned. Do not care about what mods think.

People are annoyed and to me it seems that some mods here for a giggle.

What the problem to be sorted. Mods that have these doubles standards to step down. To see the error of there ways and back off

My N⁴ barked at me! Why? Because your missus just text me ;)
[Off-topic] boborone:
This. And that's the thing. To be asked by SMs why you don't post in OT like you used to and to have to hold back on saying the reason why cause you don't want to be thrown into the mix with the rest of the whiney 12 yr olds is a shame. It's not the OT regulars ruining the fun, but we don't want to be part of the mess. So we leave.

And to anyone of power watching, if you can put aside all the butthurt and take note of the one person who keeps getting brought up, I that will go a long way.

Actually a shame, but I think pulser is going to get the last say of what happens around here and none of you are going to like it.
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
Indeed, which is exactly what we're trying to acheive here. Unfortunately when the issue is between two people a public discussion is not the best solution as other people will always throw in their two cents.

Also, you swore, fastnoles is gonna be pissed.... :p
[Off-topic] mark manning:
Well your welcome to feel that way. All I did was what was told of me by my team leader. Since we disagree this is why there is a moderator committee. They are their to help sort disagreements like this out. I didn't say that in my reply to be rude but as it is what would need to follow if you felt the report was handled unfairly.
[Off-topic] undercover:
I say let pulser press that "delete ot" button and be done with it. All it brings is frustration to both sides. I know he's watching, just bloody do it..

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] boborone:
Thirdly, I don't think a town hall meeting would be taken seriously by the higher ups nor the people here about the state of OT.

Butthurt and laughter everywhere.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Ctm, the problem is, it's NOT between two individuals. It's between "users" and "mods" as a whole.

And **** flast, I'll arm wrestle him in hangouts :p

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] DowntownJeffBrown:
+1 word for word

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ”

― Ayn Rand >^.^
[Off-topic] undercover:
Mark, I honestly think that you should just stand back on this conversation and just watch. I have nothing personal against you, although (I have contacts) I've been acknowledged of your certain posts that are not exactly "professional" in regards to me. Just watch and learn mate. You seem to be the match that lights the petrol, so for now you might as well stay away from aforementioned petrol.

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand
[Off-topic] flastnoles11:
Bring it on fool! And ctm, i don't have a problem with the cursing, i COULDN'T care less if someone isn't intelligent enough to get their point across without using vulgarities, is the double standard that one person gets a warning but a mod didn't... Get it yet?

“It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."” ― David Brin
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
I think this confirms what I was saying about public discussions being too easily derailed.

Also, if anyone was still in any doubt about why this guy received a permanent ban then this should help clear that up. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] undercover:
*hugs flast *

****

****

******

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****

:p

“Power-lust is a weed that grows only in the vacant lots of an abandoned mind. ” ― Ayn Rand