yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] xmobile:
Re: to Mr,Xmobile Re: Japan/China encoding

:cry: I am bad in Chinese and can't don't understand too much about it....

What should I do with the wince.nls file? And how can I get that? Where should I replace for? :( pretty confused... please help~ Thanks
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] xmobile:
:wink: strongly agree... if that PDA is not so important to you, then flash it. :lol:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] boolat:
At home after installation I crowned one problem! The problem and the following Gsm of the pda does not function! The 3 lights of bottom do not function too! I do not know if they is the 2005 which is not compatible with my 2020!Can be the problem of the simlock! And maintaining the problem I clic continues its to engrave on START: another thing which opens etc... But I have any problem with the version FR all functions nickel! Your opinion?

dancks!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] ferioz:
Re: Procedure
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] mr_syck:
IPAQ 4700

Did anybody make it work on IPAQ hx4700?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] badbob001:
In the recent pocketnow "review" of the beta (link), it is mentioned that 2005 stores all files and settings on flash while ram is only used for running programs. This means that if you lose all power, nothing would be lost, just like some of the recent Palm devices.

Has anyone tested this? Is this new memory configuration true? Thanks!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] xda2jojo:
Re: Procedure
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Freshster:
I believe that you are correct.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] ferioz:
Re: Procedure

To xda2jojo,

Yes I'm getting it, thanks man.

cheerZ,

ferioz
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] vbguru613:
Can someone upload the SKin for the Phone With the blue top and not the white?

Its alot nicer

Thanks!!!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] tibo_chan:
compatibility?!

hello evrybody!! i've just finished to read all the topics!!^^ and im amazed by all the things that u did to get this 2OO5os!

good work guys!

well, i've a question, coz i've got a SPV c500, its a smartphone and i wanted to know if i can upgrade my rom, or is it better to keep the 2003?

tx for helping!

everybody have a nice day!!

tibo
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] legalypogi:
vbguru613 wrote

Can someone upload the SKin for the Phone With the blue top and not the white?

Its alot nicer

Yorch is working on that .... right yorch.... heheheh
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] vbguru613:
heheheheheeehe I want this rom to go public to all Pocket pc's to shoot microsoft down I would even buy it!!!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] zerocool09:
Re: wm2005 upload

do not upload WM2k5 ROM to xda ftp. some posts in previos pages have the warning fm MS
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Yorch:
With Windows Mobile 2003 is virtually impossible to change the white background, that's simply how the phone application was designed, the same goes with the pressed buttons of the number pad, they forgot to make them skinnable. WM2005 changes this, and you should be able to skin even the background of the "blue top". but with WM2k3/se, I'm afraid there is nothing I can do.

Unless....somebody can....maybe hacking it or something.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] buchay:
can't anybody extract new applications in WM2005 as CAB files and upload, to be installed individually in other pocket pc devices e.g, PDA2k??
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] skenliv:
i dont think that it is possible, then everyone would already be having it.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Asukal:
Re: to Mr,Xmobile Re: Japan/China encoding

if you need wince.nls with Japan/China encode, i can provide you, but just for previouse version and not work on the WM2005. so we got problems now. Wince.nls were came from SDK or other localized devices, but we have no way to get it from WM2005 SDK or WM2005 device, cause it has not released.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] skenliv:
There seems to be a memory error och memory setting that is not

recognised or set correcly in this rom. It is supposed to be 64Mb ram, but

there is only 32Mb used and shown by the system.

Where did all the memory go?

And, the device seems very slow.

It takes time to do anything that writes to the system memory.

Is anyone have got a good idea or sollution to the problems, please share!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] mamaich:
I've checked some internal WM2005 structures. It recognizes that device has 128 mb RAM. But where are 96 of them disappear - it is another question :)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Griffy wiffy:
Hi all, been trying to read through all of this and its all a bit confusing, Basically has anyone got this working on the XDA2s?????? if so how???? :( :(
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] flesik:
upgrading to wm2005 procedure

Hi dudes,

it's OK that wm2005 got just one .nbf file ??? What about radio rom update ??? I'm now updating my device from scratch, but I got there still slash screen from previous wm2003 SE and the new wm2005 is not workink on my device.

Flesik
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] skenliv:
You only need the ms_.nbf to install this WM2005. Make shure you are having a stable Radio Rom before you install, i recommend the one for WM2003SE (Not the chinese translated, its been unstable on my Qtek 2020).

And yes, you can make a Hard Reboot and STILL have Everything like before! It´s superb if you loose the battery, just recharge and run it like before :D

To install this, you need ms_.nbf, Patch1.exe to patch ms.nbf to work with

your XDAII (whateverbrand). And you need the update utility.

1.

- Install Active Sync 4. Make shure that you can synch with your XDAII

just like it is, with the current Windows Mobile.

- If you run into problems, remove activesync and reinstall.

- If it still wont work, try removing the device driver in windows control panel - system. (see previous post for details on this)

2.

- Put your XDAII in boot mode, by pressing the direction key left while holding the off button and then pressing reset button with your stylus.

- It should go black, displaying only a version Nr. Like V 1.03 or V 1.06.

3.

- Now run the WM2005 update program and follow onscreen instructions.

If it complains about Country ID, download the tool ER2003Edit.

Link: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ER2003Edit

Make shure you do as it says on the info page on this, so that you wont

change anything you shouldnt change!

4.

-When it is done, just reset your device and you all set.

5. About WM2005 bugs and stops.

- The new operating system handles memory differently, so you cant

install the programs in the default directory because of low memory install it to the Storage Card (SD), in Active Sync 4.0 you can not chose this, but you will be prompted on the device after install.

And some programs that

have not been rewritten into WM2003SE does NOT work, and will likely

crash on WM2005.

That is mainly directed to programs that have heavy

multimedia demands, or rewrites the screen graphics.

Skinning programs is to forget directly. Although, new programs like

pocketbreeze and weatherpanel work flawlessly!

Bluetooth works perfecly, and syncing is flawless.

Although, be aware that bad SD card may slow down the system

extremely! But if that is the problem, i promise you will notice!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] flesik:
Thank's skenliv to your great answer.

I got just one last question. You write that "you need ms_.nbf, Patch1.exe to patch ms.nbf to work with your XDA II".

May I use any extended rom from wm2003 SE which can be found for example on the xda ftp ?

Because I follow your steps and still after installation of all 3 rom files, I reboot the XDA and after it freeze on the loading screen. No ppc installation dialog apiers.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Griffy wiffy:
Has anyone had this working on an XDA IIs??? Also how do you get to the boot loader screen on an XDA IIs???? Please help as i would love to use 2005 :D
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] skenliv:
I will make a new thread and update my post!

Ive ran into some unpleasant problems with WM2005!...

It has to do with the database that has changed.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Mahmood:
Problems after installing WM 2005

I had used WM 2005 for about one week and after installing on my ppc got many unpleasent problems they are :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :

1.Skyscape programs donnot work

2.Pocket breeze doesnot work

3.The network connection goes on without asking for pincode

4:memory problem

5:cannot install wm2003 SE programs to wm 2005

6:phone gets extremly slow

7:NO THEMES

8:very difficult to downgrad to wm 2003 SE

9: Windows media player comes back every time when a song is changed when u have windows media player runnig at TOGGLE SCREEN mode

10: NO playlist making support

11:difficult to stop the alarm once it begins to ring.

It is nice to try once but still it is in BETA version so be carefull. If u have time i mean (HOLIDAYS) then u should try it once. May be u r the lucky one with no problems... :D :D :D :D :D because WM 2005 has a cooool 8) 8) 8) 8) interface and graphics.

THE MOST POSITIVE THING ABOUT IT IS THE PICTURE CALLER THAT U CAN DOWNLOAD CONTACTS WITH PICTURES TROUGH OUTLOOK....
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] hanza:
wm2005>wm2003se>wm2005 possible

I confirm that we can safely install wm2005 than get back to 2003 and once again to 2005 without any problem.

The most curious thing is that after a second installation of wm2005 it has the settings I did when installing first time, so I'm guessing that my setting in some kind of database is stored in them "missing" memory or sth.

Anyway to MAMAICH lead the way master !
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Binyo:
@GORA and others

thx for your great job

for giving me chance to taste new rom (WM 2005)

even still have bugs but its OK
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] peterbarlow:
WM2005 Update program

Can someone tell me where I can get the WM2005 update program or can someone mail it to me?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] hanza:
2005 the best rom ever

my guess is that it was certainly a controlled leak beacause that version could have this memory limitation on purpose, it gives a chance to taste the beauty but that's all :( I like it so much that I'll sell my socket wi-fi and buy sucking sandisk cause it works under 2k5.

God help Mamaich to "fix" this baby !!!!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] ketandp:
Memory Issues with 2K5

Hi,

I just finished upgrading it to 2K5.

can u pl let me know what are these memory issues?

if i go to memory in settings; it just shows 14.57 of total storage memory and 24.35 of total prgram memory. it doesnt show my 128MB RAM i beleive.

is there any way to fix this issue?

Wud i be able to store data and use 128MB ram on this?

Ketan
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] buzz_lightyear:
Hi mamaich,

it could be tweaked in registry under StorageManager, however on next reset all registries are back to default... There is this WCE50 persistent registry "feature"...

buzz
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] istana_pulau_es:
The Loss Memory

Just wonder if windows 2005 use the hidden memory as RAM like windows pc???

So if we can tweak the registry and the memory is back to normal 128 MB, would it slow down the system, Buz?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] tumtum:
I agree with you "Buzz"

But I try many ways to change, I doesn't change anything.

such as change from RAW to FATFS.

to mamaich

Do you have any idea about StorageManager.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] hanza:
@tumtum

hi,

your changes doesn't work beacause wm sets those values at startup and then it has its "persistent" registry. The only way to change it is to make changes in that mystery feature and let wm load the tweaked registry at startup.

Greets
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] hanza:
memory manager

maybe we should try look closer at the memory manager program from 2003 se, there always was a possibility to manipulat ram partitioning in wm, maybe in this beta/alpha version it is not incorporated on purpose and if we will take the one from 2003, it could work ...

but I have no idea how it could be done technically.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] buzz_lightyear:
I think, the RAM is missing, because OS is not XIP (in this version).

So it is copied from ROM to RAM upon boot. There is your memory gone, i guess.

@ persistent registry

There are two boot phases. If we can intercept boot process after first one, then we will be able to do something with it, but it is just my theory... I could be wrong...

Or other way, if we will be able to dump the rom into files, change those .rgu and .hv files to our liking and finally put the ROM together again with modified registry, then we will get the memory back...

buzz
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Pyrofer:
Missing Memory

As far as I can see, WM2005 is moved totally into the Flash memory on the device.

instead of using just over 32meg for windows and the remaining for "storage" as in previous versions, the whole flash is now one big partition for windows to use. It doesnt seem to use the RAM at all now, this is probably also the reason for the slowdown as the flash is slower than ram.

What would have been nice is using the ram for at least running program memory and flash for storage only (more desktop like), thus freeing up a bit more for installing programs and having LOADs for running them.

If anyone with l33t sk1llz in CE can do some low level examinations of wm2005 to verify what it uses the ram for it would be helpfull.

If it indeed does not use the ram, maybe we can make a program to create a "ramdisk" giving 128meg (xda2 users) of volatile (goes during a hard reset) storage for installing programs etc as before.

This ramdisk idea looks to be the only way we will get the memory back, I think MS have done this because of criticism over the memory being wiped by dead batteries, flash doesnt do this. Maybe they plan to drop the large ram chips in future devices and concentrate on flash storage as these chips are decreasing in price at an enourmous rate and its a lot easier to deal with only one kind of memory in a device both from the hardware and software pov. This could cut production costs for manufacturers (only 1 chip not 2) and also increase total memory in new devices, of course it doesnt help those of us wedging this beta rom onto old hardware, but hell, MS had to develop and test it on something right?

just my 1p worth of thoughts (2cents for US readers...)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] yasmeene:
Re: Missing Memory

I don't think so, because there is about 40 MB at all but xda2 has only 32mb ROM, so it must use RAM
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] S1MB4D:
WHERE IS WM 2005?

okay i dun mean to be an annoyance but wher ethe hell is wm2005 i am trying to get hold of it and i have read the whole of the 20 pages about it and i cant find it and help to upgrade will be much appreicated!

thanks
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] dewild1:
FINALLY, the OFFICIAL 2005!

EDIT.. taken down.. It's not April fools any more!

It is just an April FOOls..

Don't be hating!

:oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :shock: :shock: :D :D :D :D :D :wink: :wink: :wink: :twisted: :twisted: :P :P

:oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :shock: :shock: :D :D :D :D :D :wink: :wink: :wink: :twisted: :twisted: :P :P
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] zerocool09:
Re: FINALLY, the OFFICIAL 2005!

Gora's device is PH10B, but it has 45MB storage but others are 14.54MB ???? (p15)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Artosoft:
Some people can not distinguish between 1 and 2 :-).
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] eltree:
After upgrade...

After upgrade to 2005 and heard reset the XDA

I got this message and can't move.

The message:

-------------------------------------------------------

Device Authentication

Device authenication failure. Please

contact the productmanufacturer. For

reference, please provide your divice ID.

3067950100381951 38000050bf3f5173

-------------------------------------------------------

My 2005 upgrade ROM Version 1.50f

Extended ROM Version 2.06.100a

Radio ROM Version 1.18.00

Bood Loader V 1.01

Now I am downgrade back to 2003se

Can any one kown why I can't upgrade? Thanks.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] cayotte:
I am sure the problem lies on your laziness to read the whole posts.

If you start from the first page, trust me, you won't get this d.a.f.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] istana_pulau_es:
wow it was fools of jokes, dewilds...

btw, any good news about freeing memory for wm2005??
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Pyrofer:
Ram

"I don't think so, because there is about 40 MB at all but xda2 has only 32mb ROM, so it must use RAM"

Thats not true, where did the "Storage" come from? (or rather go!) That was flash...

There is a MINIMUM of 32meg for windows and then more for the "storage", going by the way flash sizes work id imagine that was 32meg too.

Id say that the wm2005 takes up the 32meg OS flash original there, then it unpacks files that change into folders held on the "storage" flash section (may even be one chip). Dont forget there is the extra flash for the hidden Extrom too!!!!

So we have WELL over 64meg of flash accounted for here.

Simply, it doesnt use the ram for any storage at all. Maybe some working ram for windows but i doubt it looking at its behaviour.

We need a ramdisk app. Simple as that, then we get 128meg storage back in the form of a ramdisk.

I may risk trying the "unhide" and "unlock" tools on the extrom to see if its still there after the upgrade, that may be a good place to install programs too!

I know for a FACT that things left in "storage" appear in the windows directory after the upgrade because i left files in it!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] hartej:
Re: Ram

Tried this, the apps didn't run, they gave an error and exited. :( Please feel free to try though, I'd love to be proved wrong.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] hartej:
I've just had a thought, does anyone know how the unlock and unhide apps work? I've had a play with the registry and found the Extended Rom here:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> System -> Storage Manager -> Profiles -> TRUEFFS_DOC

Along with various other entries for mounting other filesystems (Hard disk, PCMCIA, floppy, CDROM, SD, MMC..... etc). I'm backing up my device now before I start to mess around with the registry, but if anyone knows anything about this please share it with the rest of us!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] hartej:
Grrrrrrrr........ tried to change the "MountFlags" key from 1 (hidden) to 0 (visible) but every time I soft-reset my device the registry reverts to it's original settings. This is wierd, cause I changed the folder name of TRUEFFS_DOC1 to "Extended_Rom2" (cause I didn't know what it was) and that remains unchanged. Has Micro$oft stopped us mounting the Extended rom on purpose to stop us fiddling with it?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Pyrofer:
I tried the unlock/unhide tools.

Sorry, no luck.

Well, unlock gave serious errors, and unhide said it worked but did nothing.

wm2005 does odd things when it resets, I found shortcuts dissapeared that i had made, but now they dont. I think it was a file properties issue there but that doesnt apply to registry keys so i dont know :(

Ill have a look at the same registry key and see what i can do, but please remember its possible that the extrom is GONE and now part of the windows filesystem. So borking the unit is possible (reflash should fix it) with playing around here.

When you HARD reset you can reset the registry hive, so i guess wm2005 has several copies of the registry, the running config, the 'reset safe' config and the 'clean boot' config. You just have to find how to move changes into the 'reset safe' part instead of the 'running config' only.

Any ideas?

Oh, after upgrading to wm2005 i found i had TWO power icons in settings, the original XDAII one and the new wm2005 one that is slightly different, did you get the same thing?

I also found "permenant save" was still there, but doesnt work, just gives loads of errors about the databases. Id like to know if this is something about my upgrade only, or a wm2005 issue.

and lastly, Can you get the Camera and Record buttons to work?

I tried to re-assign them, and they wouldnt. Now i cant even get them to do the original functions.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] TiBiSMART:
problems

if you power off the device the record button will work but camera button is not working. Some registry settings can made change if you wait some minutes before reset... I don't understand too
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] hartej:
1) Yea, 2 power icons. think this is part of the debugging stuff like bugtrap, and Columbo. I prefer the old version myself.

2) The way 2005 saves emails/sms is diferent to the 2003/2003se so this doesn't work. It saves everything to storage, so Permanant save (and SpriteBackup for that matter) can't find anything and give you errors.

(I actually upgraded to 2005, downgraded cause I wanted TomTom on a 400 mile journey, then upgraded to 2005 again and was shocked to find all my SMS's still intact from the previous installation of 2005! Woo!)

3) My camera and record buttons work perfectly. I reassigned Record to "Rotate screen" but when I read this post I changed each of the buttons without a problem.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] blackhat:
im downloading activesync 4.0 now and windows mobile 2005, i know where to get it, email me.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] S1MB4D:
overall?

does the 2005 edition have

1) word

2) excel

3)powerpoint

4)adobe pdf reader

5)win media 10?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] tumtum:
Re: overall?

here's the review.

http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/wm2005-magneto-en.shtml

it is the same version as you get from this topic.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] buzz_lightyear:
reg. two Power control panels...

There are the same two control panels in WM2003SE, but the other one was hidden by "Redirect" registry key...

buzz
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] eltree:
Sorry, I can't find what I am doing wong.

Would you teach me again? Many thanks.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] buzz_lightyear:
you have to put your device into "bootloader mode" by pressing "power" + "Dpad" + "reset" together.

You will see "Serial 1.06" or something similar on the screen.

Put the device in the cradle or connect the cable.

If you have USB connection, the screen will show "USB 1.06".

Run HimaUpgradeUt.exe and wait.

If you'll get Country ID error or something like that, you have to use "modified HimaUpgradeUt.exe". Google it...

buzz
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] xda2jojo:
procedure

eltree

PM the procedure...hope can help you my friend
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development] Pyrofer:
Still no luck getting the Camera/record buttons working.

I did a hardreset and reset the registry hive, but that didnt fix them.

I think the two things to be done next are,

1> Whoever made unhide/unlock extrom tools (PLEASE) could try to open the extrom on wm2005, or at least tell us what the tools do so somebody else can try (your work was amazing, thanks lots btw.

2> Somebody with the wm2005 sdk (or maybe 2003 would do) could look into the RAM on wm2005 and make a ramdisk program. It used to read the ram so all the drivers etc should be there, you just need to set it up.

As far as im concerned the memory is the only real thing annoying me. Sure, a lot of old software doesnt work but NEW software will come out later on.

btw, did anyone get MMS working? Maybe we could start a list of what extrom cabs work and what dont.

Incidentally, many seem to think they are the same program and tell you that it needs to uninstall the old version first, whats up with that?