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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Lucius1972:
I'm on ktoonz echo5 rom,

Screen off cpu: 378

Gpu gov: simple

Screen off gpu: 320

Scheduler: row

Read ahead: 2048

Everything else default

No UV

24 hours+ stable no reboots

For the guys with problems maybe provide Ausdim with some log cats?
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Kappa Lamda:
Im on echoe 5 and had 2 reboots while I picked up 2 calls. I imagined I had set screen off frequency too low(set to 700+ Mhz). I increased it to 900+ and till now I have no problems. I also had undervolted to -25mV but had no reboots except these two calls

All other settings left untouched. Only disabled zram feature and enabled ntfs and cifs support.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ooop:
echo 5+ 2 reboots, omega v13 4 reboots, reboots when he receives several text messages in a short time
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] MRDOCA:
Echo v5 + no reboots. Omega 13 no reboots...

Swyped on my Omega driven I9505
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] cobra11111:
Hallo Ausdim,

Ihr Kernel Source 4.3

http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=search&searchValue=i9505

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] nfsmw_gr:
Great news mate, thanks! :D
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ausdim:
Here is a

quick

update based on todays released samsung XXUEMJ5 sources.

Updated all sensors drivers/firmwares. (All is working now, pedo-meter etc)...

WiFi drivers updated.

Add simple Gpu governor.

Only for 4.3
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] friedrich420:
Wow!!! Man this guy.... Im telling you... WOW!!! THANK YOU!!! :) :thumbup:
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Dijkstra88:
Thank you ausdim for this new version. Only new Linux 3.4.67 is out :P

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ausdim:
Hmm didn't notice 3.4.67...

Anyway here is:

All previus + Linux kernlel 3.4.67.

Thanks
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Dijkstra88:
Nice fast update ausdim. Thank you for your effort. V10 is working great so far.

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] bigpp85:
[MENTION=395758]ausdim[/MENTION] the Simpson's game is not working with your kernel. Can you fix it please? Phone get black, vibrates 2 times and reboot when I start the game. It also was under 4.2.2
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Mahkceb:
Many thanks for the hard work ausdim! ;)

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] angarato_surion:
Crashed again https://db.tt/oHnSHKgZ

Here Is all the logs from lumberjack

http://pariskoutsioukis.net/

Sent using Samsung Galaxy S 4 (GT-I9505)

---------- Post added at 02:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:49 PM ----------

I'm on echo 5 plus full

http://pariskoutsioukis.net/

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] dannyella:
meeehn u are fast... :cool:
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] sachs:
Same echo 5plus here...no crash at all...:good:
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Lucius1972:
[MENTION=395758]ausdim[/MENTION]

Many many thx for the updated 4.3 kernel. You're really lightning :thumbup:

May I ask if you are willing to add FIOPS scheduler?

I already asked this some pages back, do not know Ik you noticed.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] troullis2004:
Dlna media sharing does not work with latest kernel on omega 4.3 rom.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] superbegita:
Ask for the developers of the game to make an update for android 4.3 i think the point is it's not compatible for Android 4.3.

Go to the play store or website of the developer and ask for kt s the est you can do.I knlw that some cames dont have had an update (Duke nukem 3d,Destinia)
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] friedrich420:
Obviously my opinion will probably seem biased, however b/c i dont lie ill report here too that no reboots whatsoever in V5+

TBH I have never had a single reboot in any of ausdim's verions!!!

I think there is always going to be a small percentage that will be getting reboots for no logical reason (except statistical reasons). Thta's just my humble opinion!!

A few more feedbacks about the 4.3 versions b/c i had the PRIVILEDGE to test the BETA one...

No more heating up!!! No lags at all (again im only talking about my subjective experience...) and antutu scores (omg he said the "A" word- he must be an idiot...) of 29000+. Also it's the only kernel that fixed ALL the problems caused by lack of updated kernels and today he solved the last problem- the step counter!!!

Again, I repeat that is my subjective experience.. I dont expect anyone to have the same... Once again this proves that not all chips are created equal...
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Mahkceb:
One doubt,

People that flashed the new kernel 4.3 v11, in the description in settings-device, does it show v10 or v11?

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] InevitableDJ:
what does adding the latest linux kernel do, i understand the who source for android but what is the reason for the latest linux kernel what does it help on, sorry for the noob question
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] tanjiajun_34:
Shows V10 for me.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Mahkceb:
Thks for the feedback, thinking that i didn't flashed it correctly :P

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] bigpp85:
It is not 4.3 related. I was under 4.2.2 and have the same problem. It is the kernel for sure. With Adam kernel all was fine.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ausdim:
Yes its a typo sorry for that but don't want to release a new version just for that... :(
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] putti71:
Hello.

May I ask if somebody knows if screen mirroring is working with the latest 4.3 kernel?
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] InevitableDJ:
give it a try and report back to us
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] putti71:
I would but until now I am not even on 4.3 yet, because of that. That why depend on you guys.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Doeyourthing:
Many many Thanks. One question. I did install the kernel and i see the following version: 3.4.66-Google-Edition-v6.

Is v6 the good number or has to be v10
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Lucius1972:
V10 you're right Ausdim just forgot to update kernel info.

Edit: I'm too slow ;)
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] iB4STiD:
very nice job man!!!.. ive run out of thanks for today .. but ill be back :cowboy:
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] troullis2004:
I'd love to see an app with predefined profiles for this kernel. Like ktweaker with so many different profiles.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] trueking7:
Will this fix data drops on i337m running a 4.3 tw rom

Sent from my SGH-I337M running Omega v9 with Faux v12u : good
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Onyok:
Real Deal on Smart Stay?

Air gesture has been working fine even before using this kernel. But my real concern is Smart Stay where it doesn't stays on while I'm looking at it. Even after flashing this Kernel, still no avail. Any help, greatly appreciate!
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] kafej666:
It's working here how it should.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] eak1080:
[MENTION=395758]ausdim[/MENTION]

Loki'd v11 kernel

https://db.tt/OnlFF6YZ
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] style154:
No we need the us carriers to update and get us a new modem then we will be fine. It's the modem that's causing problems. Same stuff happened with 4.1.2 update to the s2
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] superbegita:
Av in thks case right i thought you haven't had the same issue on the 4.2.2

Right surely the kernel.Try Chronic kernel or other one?
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] trueking7:
Thanks for this. I made a backup so hopefully when we get a compatible baseband, I'll be back up and running quick. Also big thanks to the devs, testers, etc.

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] nfsmw_gr:
There you go:

http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/log/?h=linux-3.4.y

I think the linux kernel updates are important but mostly for desktops and laptops.

Those updates won't make much of a difference for us.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] trueking7:
That is for AT&T users and some other carriers with locked bootloaders if I'm not mistaken. It's not for you most likely.

Sent from my Galaxy S4 running Omega v9 with Faux 12u : good :
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] dannyella:
+1..like profile when listenng to music..
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] :
Correct
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Formhault:
The kernel has drivers. Drivers for Wi-Fi, GPS, camera (which don't get updated with every 0.0.0.001x update, but also for what sort of things you could connect the phone with. For example, chances are a specific gaming controller (or some functions of it) won't work unless you update the Linux kernel.

At least that's my understanding.

So yeah, Linux kernel 3.4.60 vs. 3.4.61 doesn't really mean much. Neither does 3.4.60 vs. 3.4.70, I guess. But 3.4.0 vs. 3.4.60 is something :)

But then again, I could be 593597% wrong.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] angarato_surion:
crashed again .

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abhyp788edkn17u/BNxHsp9djm/23-10-2013-2

its with default settings of 4.3 v11
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] eak1080:
What ROM base?
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] angarato_surion:
The i9505xxuemj5

The echoe Rom v5 plus

http://pariskoutsioukis.net/

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] demon-knight:
On the plus side Samsung just released the kernel sources for 4.3 which will help a lot.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Baxxter13:
Would like to report that my wifi-hotspot its not connecting anymore with the new kernel. It used to work fine with the old one. Im on Omega v.13.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] sachs:
In V11 lost lockscreen after +- two hours, I went back to V10 (the first today) and everything well.

I will test the hotspot

Edit: confirmed, does not work
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] bloodymackey:
No problem so far. sound is working, wifi hotspot is working too. no reboot in a couple of hours used.

Omega v13/Ausdim 4.3 v11

ondemand

cpu min:189

undervolt: -25

screen off freq: 702mhz

screen off gpu: 200

gpu freq: 320

scheduler: row (both)

zram: disable
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Baxxter13:
Can you connect through wifi-hotspot, because I can see the wifi in my notebook but I cant connect.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] thekrush:
Reporting also WiFi Hotspot issue using [MENTION=1380660]iB4STiD[/MENTION]'s ★GOLDENEYE★| |9.0.1|ATT&CAN|►XXUEMJ5◄|4.3. Can't see the configured network on my Nexus 7 WiFi.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Joao Oliveira:
Hello.

I'm using [MENTION=1380660]iB4STiD[/MENTION]'s ★GOLDENEYE★| |9.0.1|ATT&CAN|►XXUEMJ5◄|4.3 and for some reason I can't connect to Playstore or Hangouts. Other google services work flawless. Anyone experiencing the same? Using V11 4.3 kernel.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] bloodymackey:
yup, my wifi hotspot is working. at this moment i'm using my laptop connected to my s4.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ausdim:
Test v5

@Test-V5

V1+V2+V3+V4+ Changes:

Enable CPU under clock (Thanks [MENTION=4325945]ktoonsez[/MENTION])

Removed lot of dmesg log spams (Better battery?) (Thanks [MENTION=3332811]faux123[/MENTION])

Add voltage control (Thanks again [MENTION=3332811]faux123[/MENTION])

You can use Trickster MOD Kernel Settings from playstore to under clock and play with voltages.

Please test UC & VC and report back.

Thanks
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] rommel76:
Great performance on build V5.

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] lordofcamster:
For me great performance too!

Undervolted - 25mv and underclocked 189mhz and stable!
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ausdim:
And?

That is the frequency core0 running.

Try to look at CPU Frequency Control menu at Trickster mod app and adjust the min frequency.

Thank's
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] mr.lysgaard:
So if I dont care about performance and just want the best kernel for battery loife to run on omega 7.0 rom I should choose this??? :)
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] rsndetre:
I believe he already did that. My core 0 is running at a min of 486 in v5. In v3 was at 384.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ausdim:
Yes if you don’t want to leave it as is no need to adjust anything.

Try at CPU Frequency Control menu at Trickster mod app and adjust the min frequency to 378 for example after press the "v" at upper right corner (down of the clock) and check again.

Should be 378 at idle.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] rsndetre:
I have set it to 135, like Jamal, and seems stable.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ausdim:
So no problem at all? You make me thought there was a problem... :p

Thanks
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] reflexr:
I've one problem, sounds crazy but I think it's a kernel problem.

In Splanner I can't assign a stamp/symbol for event. My screen is turning black.

Can someone test it please?

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[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] pauljblo:
Hi I have just installed this kernel benched marked before and after but get lower scores with this kernal with antutu I get 20837 how does everyone get higher
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] crzykiller:
You are probably getting thermal throttling. Turn your phone off and let it cool off for a while. Reboot it and wait 10 minutes. Your phone should now be cool and then benchmark.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] AMDPOWERFIST:
Just wanna say that this Kernel kicks ass....

Tried all the others with the Google Edition ROM, and there seems to be weird battery drains with them all, except this one. Well done sir !!!
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] rsndetre:
I lost 25% battery over 24h, with moderate use and v3. I'll say that is good. Now testing v5. No problems so far for me.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] afilopou:
V5?

10chrs
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] gregdeberg:
Hello V5 ?!
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] c_brown93:
Yes. Go back a page and he posted a test v5 build.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] afilopou:
Thank you :D:D

Missed one page
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] InevitableDJ:
V5 Test is running great, undervolted to -25 and set minimum clock speed to 135 and its stable.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ruterjunior:
My wifi hotspot dont work too.

dont work hotspot (in smartphone dont show any error, but in pc or another device dont found wifi)
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] sachs:
Same here...obviously has a problem with kernel because was working with the old.Normal it happen, the wizard will fix
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Baxxter13:
No matter which version of ausdim kernel I flash, the wifi hotspot still doesnt work.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] elxufas:
:thumbup:

Enviado desde mi S4.

Un saludo, elxufas. now Free
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Formhault:
:good: is the new :thumbup:
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Joao Oliveira:
Yep! WIFI Hot spot not working here either. Tried a couple of basebands. No luck. Broken.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] chickentuna:
No problem with wifi hotspot here. I can connect just fine. Rom is echoe with the latest v11 kernel
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] elxufas:
:thumbup::thumbup:

Enviado desde mi S4.

Un saludo, elxufas. now Free
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] SERBDVB:
is this thread where ausdim posts kernal for 4.3 tw or i have to find different thread

thx
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] :
I think it is on page 214
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Formhault:
This is the thread of Ausdim kernel. You can verify by going to the first page and check who is the creator of post #1... :eek:

By the way, [MENTION=395758]ausdim[/MENTION]... You should put your name in the thread title. :cowboy:
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] SERBDVB:
thx i had this-thread saved ,but i was looking at the first post and there was anly kernals posted for 4.2.2 till v19

thank you , this is the best kernal for me so far lobe it , works like a charm
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] goose2600:
Did someone noticed bluetooth not working?

I am on v4.3v11 and FoxHoud 3 rom.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] sachs:
+1
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] rogerpwc:
Why is it that my sd card can't be read after installing v11 kernel. Ge v2.0 rom. Any solutions for this
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] nfsmw_gr:
This kernel is only for 4.2.2 or 4.3 TouchWiz ROM's.

I doubt it'll work correctly on GE or AOSP ROM's.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] :
Actually I think only 4.3 TW :)
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] aresbv2000:
Did someone noticed that the colours of the display are a bit washed out on MJ5 using ausdim kernel?And also the wi-fi is not working?I`m on stock MJ5(rooted)
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Brendo:
wifi works fine
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Leejay1953:
Smart Stay still not working

Hi Ausdim,

thanks for the brilliant new kernel 4.3 v11 which I flashed last night. No more hot reboots and pedometer working as well. However, es you probably noticed yourself already Smart Stay is still not working. The ST icon shows in the notification bar but it seems to be inactive. Are you planning an update soon? Many thanks again for your excellent work. Cheers LJ
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] nfsmw_gr:
Actually Ι was talking about previous versions too on the OP so no.

What I'm saying is that in general this kernel is only for TW. :)
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Brendo:
Have you tried a factory reset and reflashing? Has worked fine for me last few versions
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] dannyella:
The washed out display i noticed after updating to 4.3..i think it's a 4.3 thing since former display was too vibrant..not this kernel fault as i tried kt and it was this same.. And wifi works just fine on mine
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Leejay1953:
No actually I haven't. Actually, I am a bit reluctant to do another facory reset having to set up my phone again. Smart Stay isn't an essential feature for me either. Thought I mentioned it though to the dev. Thanks anyway. LJ
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] emugpp:
Not sure if its a kernel problem but peap wifi is not working with v19.2 using Echo Rom v5
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] jecasluis:
ausdim can confirme me if this kernel works with PEAP 802x1 Wi-Fi networks?
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ZeroCGTI:
The popular game Plants vs Zombies 2 (released today for Android) is not working with kernel 3.4.67-Google-Edition-v10, nor with the previous version..

Seems to be working with KT, though.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] frige:
jecasluis: have the same issue here with MJ5 Baseband and EchoeRom 5.1 :

Can connect with my private WPA secured WiFi (both in 2,4GHz and 5GHz).

But cant connect to the company WiFi which is 802.1x EAP. Tries to connect, to get IP address - then fails authentification and loops forever.

I have this effect with both kernels I tried: KT and ausdim - looks to be kernel independent.

Rentered the password, proxy...: no change.

Used the same connection with 4.2.2 in the past without issues.

Not very important for me - but still hope on future bugfix :)

frige
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] jecasluis:
I believe it is kernel related since with Google Edition 4.3 i can connect to PEAP networks without any problem.

So, im going back to 4.2.2 until they fix this.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] InevitableDJ:
same for me as well not working for me.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] chickentuna:
I posted about night mode working a few days ago but I'll take that back. Apparently it works but when compared to KT kernel, KT takes much brighter pictures on night mode and yeah plants vs. zombies 2 doesn't work with the kernel
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] PearLRoX:
I have weak signal issue (signal drops, weak signal marks).. could this be a kernel problem?

Only have it on rooted + custom kernel..

no further problems
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Fir3blade:
V11 is great, not a single problem with it :)

Via Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Onyok:
+1
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] sachs:
Does not work ...
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] :
hmm. Audism states on page 214 v10 is TW 4.3 only and v11 was an update to that. Thought that was what we were talking about. I saw he said previous on v11 so confused. Sorry.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] sachs:
Good ... but it is not normal to have to do magic to work ...something is wrong
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] mgfjd:
Hot spot is not working
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] boostermbkking:
please ausdim can you update de first post with the last kernel for 4.3 tw m5? thanks
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] ruterjunior:
test conection hotspot or bluetooh with PC? anothers devices i belive works good. but im not testing, just pc and dont work

hotspot my pc dont find signal, but usb works... bluetooh my pc founded a signal but dont receive or send any archive.

i'm trying KT kernel, i dont stay no hotspot and bluetooh
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] peepee999:
Pls can someone point me to the previous version of tw which should be v10 I guess? For mj5
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Seth25:
Probably a dumb question, but these versions seem a little confusing for me: I'm still on 4.2.2 (probably will be for a while) so I wanted to know what is the latest version I can safely flash.

In system info I have: Kernel version 3.4.66-Google-Edition-V19

I'm on TW based ROM.
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] stevehkim:
Ausdim any chance of adding Trinity Colors to the kernel?
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] trueking7:
Quick workaround to using smartstay is an app called screebl. It's more battery friendly than smart stay and more useful. Gravityscreen is good too and works with and without screebl, it's more resource intensive though.

Sent from my SGH-I337M running Omega v9 with Faux v12u : good
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Trevize:
Have you checked (in settings panel) the "reading mode" option?

:good:
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] www1:
I can't adb remount in this kernel.

Anyone success?
[Galaxy S 4 i9505 Original Android Development] Onyok:
dannyella,

If my memory serves me well 4.3 has a new screen mode option (Professional photo) from Display, right? But I have yet to try on that if it has an impact on the washout concern you're saying...