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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
the omne you posted goes over the seal at the top and that is how it loses the seal.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
I REALLY wish Samsung and 3rd party aftermarket charging sticker will come out soon.

I have a 50% coupon code to buy Samsung official Qi charger and the coupon is expiring soon. I don't want to buy it if wireless charging is not possible (other than the use-a-dremel-hack-method) with the active.

<sigh>....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
Actually, the problem is that this insert blocks a socket just to the left of the wireless charging pins, and prevents a pin on the back cover from going into that socket. Because of this, the back cover can't snap closed. If you cut the pin, like I did, the cover will close, but won't be nearly as secure. Ideally, you could cut a hole in the insert to allow the pin to pass through, but circuit leads run right where you'd need to cut, so that's out.

As for the charging pad. Anandtech did a test with this pad using the OEM charging back of the standard S4, and it increased the charging time (using the OEM 2A charger) from about 2.9 hours to about 3.9 hours. In other words, it's charging about 33% slower, equivalent to about a 1.3A charger. Unfortunately, no insert will charge this fast, since they don't provide the "tablet-class" charging signal you need to charge at that rate. The OEM back does. So, to answer your question... This charging pad is quite capable of pushing 0.8A, but your insert probably isn't. (The one you referenced is kind of a mystery. I've seen it rated everywhere from 0.6A to 0.8A, depending on the seller.) Once Sammy releases an OEM charging back for the Active, this charging pad will probably be awesome (much better than the one I currently have).
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Tsaukpaetra:
Maintaining waterproofness

Once I was satisfied that I would never need to open the back hatch of my phone, I used a thin line of hot glue along the upper section of the tracks. After quickly applying the hot glue and snapping the cover back on (while the glue was malleable) I waited for it to cool.

Preliminary tests (at the waterpark) seem to indicate that this is sufficient, however if the back door is opened again the seal needs to be reapplied!

:cowboy:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jrsm00th:
I wouldn't use hotmelt... my experience in working with it that it becomes brittle.

I was thinking about using Dielectric grease, as it's non conductive.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Tsaukpaetra:
Didn't have any grease on me at the time. ;)

Besides, hot glue works just fine if you're not going to be removing the back cover at all, as the brittle effect doesn't apply to non-moving parts. Since the entire exposed portion isn't even accessible by normal means, it should last for much longer than I need it to. :angel:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] spacev:
just got my receiver from Amazon $13 work great

I ordered this one: http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Wireless-charging-Receiver-SAMSUNG/dp/B00CU7FO5C

Open phone, place receiver on contacts, close phone. 1 minute install max.

Works with the Nokia 920 Qi pad, going to get another Qi pad from amazon for $25.

One of them claims to deliver 1A.

Anyone ordered this one as well? Fits nicely, back plate seems ok and my tight case fits unchanged as well.

Never put it in water though, not willing to risk killing it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] meatlocker:
Yup, came tonight. I had the Samsung Qi charger that I got with the 50% coupon from last week. Install was 30 seconds, and it works like a charm, charging through my Otterbox Defender. Awesome.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
I've tried this receiver. It's VERY thick. In fact, it's among the thickest I've seen -- way too thick to avoid affecting water resistance. The back visibly bulges.

Also, by "Nokia 920" pad, I assume you mean the DT-900. The truth is that (as with any flat pad) any Qi receiver will work, since you can simply offset the phone as needed until the coils line up. The real test is with the inclined charger, the DT-910, and I can tell you that this receiver does NOT work with that charger, since the coils don't extend far enough down on the S4A.

The truth is that no insert (so far) exists that won't affect water resistance. Any Qi receiver made for the S4 will work with any (flat) Qi transmitter and charge the phone. What everyone is looking for is one that will do it without affecting the primary feature of the S4A, its water resistance. That's the holy grail, but unfortunately, it's not likely to be easily realized until Samsung releases an OEM Qi back for the S4A, like they've done for the S4. That's not to say it's impossible -- it's been done, but so far, it seems to take some pretty good skill with a soldering iron, copper tape, and a Palm Pre setup (not Qi). The second a Qi insert will work out of the box (meaning, without affecting water resistance), then I'll be immediately making yet another in a long string of Qi insert purchases.

The point I'm trying to make is... please be careful when saying an insert works. In this thread, a "working" receiver conveys more than simply charging the battery.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] drWIDOWMAKER:
Sweet! Thanks for the post
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jrsm00th:
fonesalesman . com who makes/sells the really thin GS4 receiver that has been shown a few times in this thread, is looking into one for the S4Active. Ive asked him to keep me informed if one becomes available, and I will of course update this thread if I do hear anything.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
Yeah, one that thin that doesn't cross the seal line, or block any of the battery cover's securing tabs would be perfect. I'd definitely buy that.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] AlbertoM:
And that one seems to be the better one, which is a sealed circuit as opposed to a plastic covered coil. Now if they can make one....!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] spacev:
Ok I could have said charges with the Nokia 920 pad. Not sure what model number is. Its the one that came with it.

As far as water proofing, I stated I did not try it. I do no see a visible bulge. I have my tight fit i-blason shell and it seems to fit as it did before.

Has anyone tried to add some silicone caulk or some other "paste" around the sealant ring to improve the seal?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] fonesalesman:
Hi All,

Just to let everyone know Fonesalesman is working on a solution, it will be similar to the current model with circuitry displaced to accommodate s4 active back plate and pins.

Any requests comments or advice will be appreciated. I am not likely visit forums often but communication via my website will be the most efficient.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
What's your website?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
http://www.fonesalesman.com/

I hope to see something happen!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
^^

Absolutely! Fonesalesman's product is the best of all I've tried, by far. Having one of those 0.5mm inserts specifically made for the active would be a dream. Nothing short of an OEM back would be higher on my wish list.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
If fonesalesman can make one for the Active AND tested the water proof feature still works, not only I'll buy one, I'll tweet it to everyone. Free advertising!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] otherego:
Cool :good:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] berntahlback:
Anyone tested wiqiqi chargers ?

They will make one for the Active maintaining water protection.

The system don't allow me to give you the link, but if you google this;

Samsung S4 Active Wireless Charger from WIQIQi

you will get there. Any with experience of wiqiqi ?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
Thank you:good:

I immediately did my contribution ;)

nog wait untill it get shipped..

ordered my active today..still waiting on lg qi charger, and extreme screen protector....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
Yeah, the Wiqiqi charger is currently being offered as an Indiegogo perk. They estimate shipping, starting in September.

the only thing kind of stopping me from contributing is the possibility of an OEM Charging Back. It took Samsung 2 months to release one for the S4. If they're working on one for the S4A, it'd probably be in the September/October range for release. I'd hate to fund this, only to find out that an OEM back is released first.

Decisions, decisions...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ShimaMiku:
I submitted my funding as well. I'll provide the link:

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/samsung-s4-active-wireless-charger-from-wiqiqi

Even if the OEM back does come out, there is nothing stopping you from using both. My first concern is Samsung wanting to release a wireless charging back for this phone to potentially make it slightly thicker because they have already had public heat about it being water resistant. Second would be cost.

Either way, I don't mind throwing in $22 to fund their efforts. :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] toimelias:
But is there ebay products that are same as what is in WiQiQi youtube video in that indiegogo link?

I cant post links but do a ebay search: "Slim Qi wireless Charger receiver Card Pad Coil for Samsung Galaxy S4 i9500"

I think thats the same receiver what is in that WiQiQi video. Only difference is that in youtube video it seem that receiver has been trimmed from its left side.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
There are three factors that will cause your insert to affect the water resistance of the S4A:

First, there's the obvious one... Crossing the rubber seal line, or even barely touching it, will prevent the seal from properly seating.

Second, the thickness. If the insert is too thick (and virtually all of them are), it will also prevent the seal from seating. That seal is only so tall, after all. More often though, a thick insert will simply prevent you from seating all of the tabs on the battery cover into their respective sockets on the phone body, or provide enough resistance that they won't stay seated.

Speaking of those tabs, we come to the third reason. Some inserts (like Fonesalesman's 0.5mm insert for the S4) directly block at least one tab from going into its socket at all. EVERY tab must be firmly seated or you'll lose water resistance.

Everyone considers that first factor, but most forget the rest. Shape alone does not a good insert make. Currently, there are no Qi inserts that will reliably fit without affecting water resistance in the S4A, or that are even made for the S4A... they're all made for the S4, which is a different beast. This Wiqiqi model promises to change that.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ShimaMiku:
Got an email update from the indiegogo website last night that reads:

We are looking for a silicone gel to increase the waterproof ability of the seal because the battery cover is only held down by small plastic tips that we feel are too flimsy. Will add to the description when we settle on our choice. If an of you have suggestions, please let us know. Thanks

Things are looking good.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lildanik:
I'm curious to see how fast does it charge? My phone charge's pretty quickly with the stock charger as it is.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
It is no where near as fast as the 2A charger, but it will charge over night which is enough for me
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
Hopefully it can keep the battery at his level while navigating... I bought the small lg charger to put in my car....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Croppa:
S4 Active Qi Receiver

Has anyone tried this receiver in the s4 Active phone? www_ebay_com_au/itm/Qi-Wireless-Charger-Charging-Pad-Receiver-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S4-SIV-i9500-i9505-/190875491574?pt=AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item2c7110dcf6&_uhb=1 . Put . instead of _ as I cannot post a link.

In the photo this receiver seem to miss all the tabs holding the back on the S4 Active. I am considering ordering this however some feedback from someone who hws tried it would be good or it mwy help someone else.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dalton1091:
You should try ordering a dummy display phone I just ordered one I had a grey active which got water damaged and they.are sending me a new one under warranty but said it would not include a cover I requested a blue one but have a grey back so I orders a dummy display model phone although there are no working parts the back cover and sub port plug/dust cover along with the frame could come in handy and it was only like.15 bucks but I may be mistaken like I said it's only my assumption that the back covers are the same for a dummy and a regular working phone
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
let us know when it arrives if it does. I wouldn't mind picking one up

I haven't seen anyone post about this one. Why don't you try, the only thing to look out for is if it is too thick
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Croppa:
Wireless Reciever

I have ordered this to try. I will report on results however I will not be trying it under water
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Claribelsmith:
quite informative..
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ShimaMiku:
I got another email update about the indiegogo project yesterday:

We are working on a thinner material for the packaging of the coil and circuitry.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
usually you can tell if it pushed up the backplate. I like to turn the device off and put a drop of water on the outside of the seal and move it around the device
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jrsm00th:
Does anybody else's back panel creak when pressing it? I can't remember if my first one did it or not.

I wish somebody would hurry up with the charging solution, it's getting tiresome flicking out the little rubber cap everytime!!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] f@llo:
Is there andy way to get another back cover

I think that would solve many problems:

The phone could be waterproof and we could use wireless charging
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ShimaMiku:
I had found it on ebay before (as it was listed in the replacement parts), but the listing has since run out and I haven't seen any more as of late.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
I wish they sell one WITHOUT the cover and I'll backup the project.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Devo7v:
I'm not sure if anybody's seen this (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-active-currently-seeking-funds-on-indiegogo/), but it looks like there may finally be a usable receiver that will allow the back to fully seal.

If anybody orders one, let me know if it actually works.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
This was mentioned in page 2 (see below), and also in my post above.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
here is my thinking... I have a wireless charging pad(the one from TMART) that works great for my S4 active. I do not plan on getting my active wet, if it drops in water AT&T will replace it up to one time.... I don't mind sticking with the one I currently have. IF something was to happen (I have never had a phone with water damage) I am set, if not I am happy. I think the pad I currently have is the strongest and works through my very thick cases. I do not think the WIQIQI will be as strong as my current one and I wont be able to use it through my case. Anyone else with me on this thinking?

And no I do not plan on lying to AT&T I don't think they will ask about specifics, I will just say I have a water damaged S4 Active and heard that you replace them.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] AlbertoM:
What am I missing? The WiQiQi project does not come with a back cover....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] rp1790:
It doesn't come with a back cover, no. It's customising the receiver so it fits within the existing cover and maintains the waterproof seal.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] gamephreaker:
wireless charging that fits

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/samsung-s4-active-wireless-charger-from-wiqiqi
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Hmm I wonder if you noticed we have been talking about that for weeks. Thanks though
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] spacev:
finally happy with my wireless charging...

I bought a $12 receiver and $25 pad from Amazon and it seems to fit well (have not tried submerging it as it is not a priority for me).

The problem this phone has, if you are like me and you charge your phone at night close to your bed, is that Samsung totally screwed up wireless charging and the only way to make it work is actually by rooting it and installing the Xposed Framework.

When you put the phone on the wireless charger, it beeps and turns on the screen and shows the wireless charging message.

This is actually not that bad if your phone battery is low and you want feedback that you placed it in the right spot.

However, during the night your phone will charge to 100% and stop charging for a while. When the battery drops a little

(to maybe 99%), it will start the charging process again and BEEP and TURN ON the screen! ALL night long every few minutes.

It pretty much lights up my room when the screen come on. I wonder what Samsung was thinking? The Nokia 920 does not do that!

Samsung should check the battery level and if its above 97% or so not show any messages or beeps, the red LED indicator is plenty info.

So I used Xposed and nottach to turn off the message and the screen and I use Llama to keep it silent at night.

Now it works great but just a warning, if you charge the phone in your bedroom at night be prepared to root and mess around, otherwise it will drive you crazy.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] monterodavid:
Receiver

what receiver did you get?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
Mine doesnt do that...

When I wake up it is just fully charged. no beeps during the night:laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] toimelias:
Or you just dont notice it becouse you are sleeping... :D
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] x7nofate:
I like to buy it, when that will be available in UK?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] toimelias:
You can order it right now, they deliver worldwide.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
It won't ship until September
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] slatesekx:
Here's hoping this'll all be good by tomorrow morning!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
Just received TPU S-Wave S-line Cover Case Back Protector. It charges perfectly through the case.

Happy :D

The plastic cap hasn't been opened for a week now :D
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] SirBash:
Where can I order a dummy phone?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
simple good search will give you the results, what i am interested in is if it actually worked?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] AlbertoM:
How do you draw this conclusion?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I have owned multiple pads and the one they are producing looks a lot like one of the pads I already have... it wasn't the strongest...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
Really? You can tell that visually from the picture?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] AlbertoM:
Yeah, I was hoping for something a bit more empirical than that.....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Here's my thinking:

It appears to go by the size of the coil. This is the same size coil as the other one I have(short and thin). It works great but only without a case. The one I have that works great has a wider coil and has a wider range. The only other option is to make the coils thicker which is not the case because it would push up the back breaking the seal. Who knows it may work well, but judging by my past experiences and measurements they posted on the site.... I have my doubts. It may work through thin cases but not something like my SUPCASE. Maybe they worked some kind of magic... just a guess

They even say that the one posted will not be the final version so maybe it will be better?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Lekzai:
Really nice idea.

Gesendet von meinem Transformer Prime TF201 mit Tapatalk 4
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] faiza2:
Good informative post. I like it :good:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dalton1091:
You can order one off of eBay or Google search for dummy s4 active they are used to advertise new devices for cell phone stores I'm still waiting to get mine in the mail its no longer an issue as att tab out of stock of the s4 and as a courtesy for making me wait longer they sent me a completely new phone compete with back cover and charger and also refunded my shipping and expedited shipping great customer service
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] x7nofate:
How long takes to fully charge battery via wireless charger?

Sent from Samsung Galaxy S4 Active
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
That depends on a lot of factors, including the specific charger, receiver, and how the two are aligned (how the phone is placed on the transmitter).

However, on an average setup, with proper alignment, a phone can go from full discharge to fully charged overnight (usually 6-8 hours). If you need a faster charge, you always have the option of charging via USB using a proper 2A A/C adapter.

On another note: It looks the the Wiqiqi Indiegogo campaign was successful. I had my doubts because it started off so slowly, but hey... congrats to them: Here's the link. (Hopefully, Samsung will take note of this, see that there really is a market for this, and release the OEM charging back, as they have for the S4.)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
I am a little bit disapointed that it doesnt work with NFC. The charging pad that I am using right now for the S4 works perfectly with NFC...

I dont know why they have problems with it....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] my-blue-snog-box:
[MENTION=4315861]joshuadjohnson22[/MENTION], is there a specific charging pad you can recommend? I know you said you have tried a bunch. I'm waiting for my WIQIQi receiver and I would love to make a decent investment on a pad the first go around rather than waste a bunch of money on sub-par products.

If anyone else has a recommendation, feel free to come in too.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I have http://www.tmart.com/Wireless-Charger-Module-for-Samsung-S4-I9500_p193755.html and I love it, it works great through any case i have tried. You will lose waterproof. I peeled off the sticker on it to make it a little thinner and it works well
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] my-blue-snog-box:
I'm sorry; I should have been clearer. I am looking for a recommendation on the actual charger, not a module.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I use this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Qi-Wireless...l_Phone_PDA_Chargers&var=&hash=item51ae90bbe6 I haven't tried any other
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
I used the lg wcp300.

Works perfect and i do not have any disturbing sounds at night like other people say when using other chargers.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
The one I posted doesn't make sounds....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Rewind:
I mean that the phone doesnt make sound when the battery is full at night.

That it start to charged every minute....
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Mine doesn't either. Not sure if it is nattachs exposed mod that disabled it or if it ever did to begin with

if there was a noise my wife would have tossed my phone out the window