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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bbstrikesagain:
I just got reply from fonesalesman regarding plans to make a qi/ofc insert for the active. I hope he doesn't mind me quoting from the reply:

" We are looking at the possibility of the S4 Active receiver, but there doesn't seem to be enough interest from our customer base yet."

So, come on folk, shout up...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bbstrikesagain:
Found a new S-view charging cover for £10. Couldn't resist, will post pictures if mod works out..
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] oori002:
Hey bbstrikesagain

Post them Email so we all can ask them for this cover :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bbstrikesagain:
Web address is www.fonesalesman.com, there is a contact us form, that's what I used
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] oori002:
So...

Is there any good solution for the wireless charging to the S4 Active yet?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] adreno2342:
On eBay they are selling a wireless charging battery door, finally. Search for "Extended Battery Door Cover for Samsung Galaxy S4 Active Wireless Charging". I did not post the link because I don't have enough posts yet.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bbstrikesagain:
I take it you mean something like the Mugen one, 5500mAh, Qi , NFC , but a bulging back that won't fit in any protective cases..?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] boulos:
Are people still interested in this?

I contacted fonesalesman and they directed me to a google doc form to fill out to request a reciever be made for our phone. If you are still interested in this, please fill out the form and maybe they will make one. Thanks!

Thank you for your query.

Unfortunately, we do not currently provide Wireless Charging solutions for your phone.

Please tell us if you want us to develop a solution for your phone by submitting this form; https://docs.google.com/forms/d/12mRQ-T-ooe0AI6Wrg_cPzo8dYrRuLL1zQockuZZf5rc/viewform?usp=send_form

Kind Regards

Fonesalesman Team
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] bbstrikesagain:
Form completed. You never know. For the time being I'm okay with an S4 rx (with real copper wire coil and scooped of back) - cool and watertight
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] oori002:
Form filled. Hope for the best
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Richy_T:
Looking for solutions myself. Just got a wireless charging setup for my S5 so the wife is likely to want one for her S4 active fairly soon. :)

I'm thinking one option would be to either hollow out an existing back (although there isn't much there) or completely cut out the space for a coil and then fix a thin cover over the top with glue. Someone already mentioned there's only 0.1mm between the cover and back, does anyone know how much space is needed for a coil?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] suunnittelija:
I bought this receiver: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultra-Thin-...i9500-i9505-/141650398677?hash=item20fb058dd5

I had to cut it little bit on that corner where the connectors are and then remove some plastics from the original cover. I think it's not waterproof anymore, but I don't mind. It works perfectly :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jdminpdx:
I am really looking forward to your results. Keep us posted!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Globel:
Just got my touchstone kit on ebay for 10$ i ill be posting my results soon.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/230994807663
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jeremy1701:
Where can you get a replacement back for the Active? I am also in need of one.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
From past experience, replacement backs are extremely hard to get for the first few months. I've found that the best and easiest way to get them replaced is to contact AT&T, and tell them that one of the little pins snapped while removing the back to swap batteries. This should be covered under the original warranty (so you don't need the insurance). Once in awhile, you'll get someone that tries to attribute this to normal wear and tear, but if you argue hard enough, especially since the phone is only a couple weeks old, they usually acquiesce.

However, if you're looking for an EXTRA back, then I'd go to the same place, but it'll probably cost you. If I remember, an extra back for my GNex was like $30, but YMMV. (Also, I could point out that this is considered a throw-away part, so they usually don't ask for the old one back, when they replace it under warranty.)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I haven't seen any yet... So far I only see the lcd digitizer which is only 100 bucks btw lol good to know
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Globel:
Samsung has not released any accessories for this phone yet.. I hope they come out with some soon.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jdminpdx:
passages coungma

You can call Samsung direct. I broke off a clip on my S3 3 days after launch and when I called them they had them.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jeremy1701:
I called Samsung direct. They have no replacement back cover in stock and do not know when they'll get be getting any.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] rhkean:
I was just about to ask if anyone had tried one of these. I'll be interested to see if it works through the thicker cover on the S4A and also if it gets in the way of the water seal when putting the cover back on.

Please keep us updated.

-rob
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Tsaukpaetra:
Just so everyone knows, the Palm TouchStone technology isn't compatible with Qi technology (for some reason). This, at least, according to several eBay sellers I was perusing around while looking for this. ;) So, if someone actually gets the Qi pad for the S4, and can try it with the Touchstone base, it would be useful for us to know if it works or not. Best of luck! :highfive:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Yeah it won't work. Qi technologies work by a hand shake type sync that pair the pad and insert together. Touch pad does not. It will either not work or just work for a few seconds
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jdminpdx:
This is why I opted not to do this mod. It only works with the Touchstone base. There are a few Youtube videos showing people putting their touchstone modded phones on Qi chargers and they dont work.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Snakethis69:
I can confirm that the waterproofing is still intact after this mod was accomplished. I did make it as thin as possible with my dremel and I removed a few of the non needed plastic sticky coverings near the top att portion of the back. All in all I let it sit in my sink for 30 minutes with the charging installed and it still is working with all the clickers locking into place.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dibeachdude:
I received my kit a few days ago, but I have not installed it yet. Do you mind posting a picture showing the portions that you removed? Perhaps. You could give permission to include your picture on the op. I am beginning to think that some people will not read an entire thread, even a short one. Regardless of whether we plan to intentionally immerse our phones or not, I am certain that most people want to preserve the seal. Thanks for your post. It's so awesome to see the evolution of ideas on XDA.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jdminpdx:
Thanks for sharing. I am still on the fence. I carry a spare battery on me and usually swap it out around noon-one. I would be afraid of replacing the battery and missing a seal due to trying to make sure I have my wireless mod fit in just right.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Globel:
I got a touchstone. Then every one in my shop went out and got qi chargers.... so i am now switching to qi. I got this pad listed above. It is a tadd thick. I had to modify my back door and the pad its self. In the process I have damaged my back door and I need a new one to insure a water tight seal. Cannot wait till samsung pops out some accessories..
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
I had originally ordered the touchstone, but then I found out that it's not QI, so I started looking around for other receivers. I tried several, including the white one mentioned in this thread. I had various problems with each, but in particular, I found that white one to be way too thick, and the coils are up just a bit too high to work with my Nokia DT-910 charger. I like this charger because it's got the most upright profile of any I've seen, and I wanted to keep it if at all possible.

I finally went with this one, which is the thinnest I've seen. My charger also has an NFC tag, so I was able to verify that it doesn't block NFC -- a common problem with these inserts.

There is a catch though. The back had to be modified a bit. On the phone, there's a socket, just to the left of the wireless charging pins. On the backplate, this tab is just inside the rubber seal, and this insert blocks it from going into the socket. Removing that tab allows the back to close. Don't get me wrong, I'm quite aware that I've just lost most of the water resistance, so dunking the phone is out, but to me, this is acceptable until such time as an official wireless charging back comes from Samsung; especially since adding ANY insert pretty much kills water resistance by not allowing the seal to engage properly.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I went with the same one, my charging pad should be in today. It does go over the seal but I was thinking about moving it over the battery and using copper tape to connect it to the terminals so I can keep water resistance at least until the office wireless backplane arrives.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ShimaMiku:
Couldn't you hypothetically cut the portion of the black backing to allow the tab to still connect and the gasket seal? Not having that Qi charger no hand and only going by the picture, it looks like it is only there for sticky purposes and doesn't seem to have any wires or connections run through it. It seems like you can cut the section just left of the charging pins therefore there is no loss of the water seal.

Am I wrong in my assumption? I am very interested in this modification but I don't want to sacrifice the water resistance to do it.

EDIT: Nevermind. I was able to find some other pictures and realized that the printed connections run through that space. So much for that idea.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] topgunner222:
Not that this doesn't seem like a great idea and you were helpful in your post, but seems a little sketchy for my liking
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jslappa:
I have not been able to find a wireless charging insert that will NOT interfere with the back cover if the S4A. The one that I have found to work the best so far came from tmart. The back case closes but the seal is not water tight. As has been mentioned above, right below the camera there is no seal. Water gets right in. I installed the wireless charging insert and ran it under the sink faucet for just a second or two. I immediately pulled the back cover and there was water inside the area where the seal protects.

You can see where a clip cannot seat because the + - leads are in the way. See how there is a dent in the lead? Look right to the left of where the memory card is inserted.

Even if you were to route the + - leads around that area so the clip can fully seat, I believe the main problem is that the area directly above the battery is now too thick. You really can't go any thinner with the wireless charging insert, so you either have to have a thinner battery or a thinner back cover. That back cover is just too thin to dremmel any thinner. And you certainly would not want to try thinning out and possibly rupturing a lithium ion battery.

So I've got to decide between waterproof or wireless charging. Honestly, I spend most my time away from water, so I will have no problem pulling the wireless charging insert out when I go the the beach, pool, or during stormy weather. I am more excited about being able to keep that flap closed and wirelessly charge the Active. And this $13.66 wireless charging insert works perfectly.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jdminpdx:
Where did you get that battery? :D
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
and does it last longer than the original?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jslappa:
It just arrived today. I will be pitting it against my stock battery. It shipped from New Jersey, so was very fast shipping. Nice people to deal with. $6.20 is crazy cheap. I'll need to run it through some tests to see exactly how many mAh this battery really is. I sure hope it's close to 2600 mAh or better.

http://www.tmart.com/3030mAh-Battery-for-Samsung-i9500-Gold_p177852.html
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Keep us posted. I ordered one. Wouldn't hurt to have a back up... and for that price :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jslappa:
Will do. 1st test is phone on full brightness, wifi on and connected. Running an 8.5GB Blu ray rip of Avatar at 1080 x 1920. Let's see how long I can loop this movie before phone dies.Other than putting the SIM card into my HTC One, all radios on. Volume at level 7 on the standard "Video" app.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ShimaMiku:
What if you were to remove the label on the battery and take off the wrapping on the wireless charger? That would shave probably 1 or 2mm and might make a world of difference.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Snakethis69:
here is a picture of mine, I ended up taking the plastic excess from around the mother board and shaved the copper leads down with a dremel. I then heat up the element and "pressed" it into the back, it does stick out a very small amount on the back of the phone but it was a user error and I could have avoided it if my 3 year old hadnt bumped me. Next I put black electrical tape on the sim cover and micro sd so not to short it out. Then I covered everything with some crazy glue. Works great and the leads never move, they line up every time with the phone and I love not having to take the plastic piece off to charge the phone, I also have all of my "snaps" in place plus the security snap right below the att symbol. And I can confirm its water tight up to 6 feet for 20 minutes
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jslappa:
Thanks for the pic and explanation. Have you checked for water tightness?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Snakethis69:
for some reason my internet knocked out my edit, i can confirm its water tight down to feet for 20 minutes, I also use it regularly in the shower to listen to music on a daily basis.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
Here is my QI mod. I will use copper tape to connect it to the terminals. This is not thick so it does not go over the gasket.

I ordered this from http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D2V6SDW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It is already really thin but even thinner if you remove the aluminum shield. I will finish this mod tonight when I get home from work and report back if it works.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ShimaMiku:
Be careful about removing the shield, you'll lose heat dispersion which I would worry about especially right on top of the battery.

Do you think they'll make a qi sticker for our phones at some point?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I would assume that at some point they will make a wireless charging back. I will get that either way. I can still put the sticket back on and it will still be below the gasket

---------- Post added at 11:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:56 AM ----------

EDIT* im not sure how water tight it will be there are some parts that look pretty thick...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Globel:
How do you do this without getting water on the soeaker . Instantly mutes phone

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Bobby R:
Trouble with S4 charging receiver

I have an OEM Sammy charger and bought two receivers from Fonesalesman for my wife's S3 and my S4. I could not get my S4 to give me a positive charge while watching thru battery monitor widget. It showed "plugged in" but was in a constant discharge state. And it was getting hot! Summary, no charge, but evidence of charging (heat!). I'm running Beautiful Widgets daydream which is pretty loaded, ie animated weather, time, temps etc but at half screen brightness. Went round and round with Fonesalesman and they sent a replacement and same story. Also when it attempts to charge, very finicky on the Sammy charger in regard to pad placement.

Meanwhile I used their receiver in the wife's S3, and it ran great. Slow but great. She is running 4.12 so no daydream. And put that S3 in the same county as the Sammy charger and she hooks up and charges.

Could this all come down to daydream? And maybe compulsive staring at battery monitor widget? If I can get it to work I suspect sound control app could silence all the "hey I'm charging" notifications during the night. Is Daydream that much of a hog?

TIA,

Bobby
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jslappa:
I use the Nokia Fatboy pillow and it charges the S4 Active just fine. I think the Wireless charging inset I use limits it to 500mAh, but it charges. Some are experiencing problems when "Daydreaming" is enabled on their S4s.

John
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Globel:
I am still dumbfounded that samsung still has no back covers for this phone. No accessories what so ever... not even the S Case.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I have a question... why dont you just trim down the plastic that goes in front of the microsd on your back cover? It appears that is your problem...
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jslappa:
Unfortunately, the main problem seems to be that the resistors and other chips are actually sitting right on the microsd slot. All those dang chips should have been placed to the left of the microsd slot in that little recessed area.

Guess I will wait for one of you super modders to come up with an easy elegant way to get wireless charging and water tightness.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
This problem is caused by many factors. The primary reason is that most wireless charging solutions only push 0.6A to 0.8A, which is quite a bit less than the 2A OEM plug-in charger, and not much more than charging by USB port (0.5A for USB 2.0). So... the bottom line is that wireless charging will only charge at about the same rate as plugging into your computer. Most modern phones are quite capable of using more energy than that, which is why they typically come with 1A to 2A chargers in the first place, and which is why you're seeing a constant power drain, even though you are, in fact, charging.

The 2nd problem is daydream... or really any app that causes you to exceed half an amp of power draw. Daydream alone isn't the culprit. You still have your cellular, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth radios, your screen, your graphics processor, your memory card, and a dozen other components that are constantly drawing power, before you even get to the apps, which can increase the power draw through those components exponentially. Daydream is particularly bad, because many of them increase the screen brightness to max (Beautiful Widgets does this unless you set it for night mode), and those with high levels of animation (*cough*Beautiful Widgets*cough*) will drive your graphics processor nuts.

So... the fix... Well, since you have a number of causes, there are a number of solutions. The first is to find a wireless charging combo (pad and receiver) that produces the best energy output. You may have to research (often through trial and error) to find a combination that's pushing closer to 0.8A, rather than 0.6A. Even then, BW (even in night mode) will draw more power than that, so you're unfortunately going to have to ditch BW for the time being, and find a less power-hungry daydream, with a good night-mode option and minimal animations. (You don't want to ditch animations completely for any AMOLED screen, or you'll get burn-in, so you have to find a good middle-ground.) Finally, those constant "charged, charging, charged, charging" notifications, while annoying, are also constantly pulling you out of daydream, and usually brightening your screen temporarily... not to mention ramping up processor power draw, and (if you have live wallpapers or a complex background) probably graphics power draw as well, so you'll be much better off if you can squash those notifications. It won't completely stop your phone from bouncing in and out of daydream, but it will help.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
This one looks like it may be the one we have been searching for... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Qi-Standa...k-i9500-/290926908291?clk_rvr_id=504307679157

or http://www.ebay.com/itm/S4-Qi-Stand...S_Cell_Phone_PDA_Chargers&hash=item43bd035639
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
Actually, I tried this one (specifically, the white one), and it's not the best. While it fits okay, the problem is the thickness. It's a little more obvious with picture of the black one, but these receivers are like 1mm thick. Everything will close okay, and it won't cross the seal at all, but it's thick enough that you'll actually be able to see the backplate bulge, and the seal will never make contact. That shape, but the 0.5mm thickness of the one I'm currently using (mentioned earlier in this thread) would be perfect.

The other problem with this unit is that the coils are located pretty high up. This may cause problems with certain stand-up chargers. For instance, it won't work at all with the Nokia DT-910, because the coils don't line up. (More accurately, it works for a second, but then can't keep the connection, so it almost immediately stops charging.) Flat chargers won't have this issue, since you can just find the sweet spot, and lay the phone where it needs to be.

...and let's be honest... the one we're all searching for is the OEM charging back from Samsung. C'mon Sammy, release it already!!!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] DrWebster:
OEM accessories for the Active seem pretty thin; I sure hope Samsung realizes the popularity of this phone. My local AT&T stores can't keep them in stock. I'd gladly trade an official charging back for the Protective Cover (if/when it ever becomes available in the US).

Also, I found another style of Qi sticker on eBay last night, wondering if it might work. Check out item number 200944326600 for an example. (I'd post a link but I'm too much of a n00b yet to be able to.)

It seems to place the electronics in the space to the left of the SD card slot, and has a hole where the tab on the back cover needs to go through. I'm just worried that the thickness of the sticker itself might be too much and cause the back to bulge like the other stickers that have been tried.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] joshuadjohnson22:
I have that one.. the connectors are too wide and go over the seal which breaks it. It works but you will lose the waterproof-ness. It is very thin, but they put all the brains up by the connector which makes it too wide
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jt3:
The one DrWebster mentions is actually the one I'm using (mentioned a bit earlier in the thread). While it looks like there's a gap where there needs to be, it actually blocks one of the pins. I had to cut that pin (so, bye-bye waterproofing) to get it to work, but otherwise it fits the best.

At the moment, there simply is no QI insert that you can use that won't kill your waterproofing. The only one I've heard of where someone was successful (and dared to test it) was with a Palm Pre kit, but that's not QI, and it takes a bit of skill with a soldering iron, and a VERY careful placement of all the components

This one (minus the labels... which is how I bought it) is only 0.5mm thick. If you could place it elsewhere and use copper tape to make the connections, it could possibly work, but it will take a braver (or richer) person than I to test it.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] lanwarrior:
Is this the one you get that is 0.5mm thick? http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Char...28607&sr=8-1&keywords=wireless+charging+0.5mm

This is the "slimmest" one I have seen advertised. I am yet to see less than 0.5mm.

However, correct me if I am wrong, the issue here is that the CONNECTOR is TOO THICK for the back cover, hence making the rubber seal around the connector (under the flash, near the ON/OFF button, etc.) have a gap.

Is this correct?

Also, someone mentioned that we should get a wireless charing pad that gives out 0.8A - Does the Samsung official Qi Wireless Charger gives out 0.8A?