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[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baladev:
thering1975 Someone needs to pay for the technological progress :) Those who buy the latest and greatest overpay, the midrange is where you get the most performance per dollar spent. It's too expensive to be on the cutting edge and to stressful - seeing better specd devices coming out 3 months later at better price.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] avetny:
You right guys.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baladev:
+ you forgot to add that there are no games that support FullHD textures, so no benefit in games to

After considering all possible scenarios, i arrived to a conclusion that the only benefit of having a Full HD screen is sharper text and better looking icons. Browsing does look better due to smoother fonts, but you also sacrifise battery life.

am i missing something? where did you get that?
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
That's TheRing1975's signature. He's working on it now :victory:

It's also worth noting that the Xperia Z Ultra's 0.1 inch extra screen comes with 2.78 square inches bigger body than the Mega.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] thering1975:
Tbh someone touched on it above the great thing is choice and the more devices the better so everyones needs are catered for

I was one of those who always wanted the latest then I realised id need 3 extra jobs to sustain my shopping habit lol.

And it's part built but without a working cwm I cant test for errors lol but I thought id start it ready so I can test quicker lol
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] rodjordan:
So my story (so far) is...

Originally had the note 1 (very happy except always worried about getting through a day of use because of battery life)

Being a "Samsung fan" I ordered the Galaxy Mega (but got bored waiting so cancelled)

Found the Huawei Ascend mate..

6.1" 720 screen,

Small bezel = fits ok in your pocket (if you excluse the funny walk, especialy up stairs ;) )

4050!!! battery = never worry about battery life = leave WIFI, GPS, location settings on ;)

Very bright screen for daylight viewing

Not the best for gamers but ok

and it's only 330 Euro on amazon france

And I have to say, I am very happy with it after years of Samsunging S2, Note, S4 etc

I bought the ascend mate as a stop gap until the latest Q3 contenders arrive i.e.

Sony Z Ultra

Galaxy Note 3

Asus Note

But I may just keep it longer than I expected....

I think the Sony Z Ultra may well be the next one..... ;) ...... (but I change my mind every day ;) )
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] warfareonly:
As said above by someone, somebody has to pay for profits, which later go into R&D and salary (which you always want to rise ? ) ;)

*Not true

*Depends on codec choices and compression

*Me neither but Dead Space used to lag like hell on my GNote 1 (N7000)

*Agreed.Just as some don't need flash.Cause, you know, they don't wanna take pictures ?

*No stylus, just pick up any pencil/pen.Worth the money, don't you think, considering that plastic stick which they give us with the note ?

*I lost my note to the rains (motherboard fried).You have no idea how much I would pay for water resistance.That feature alone makes it worthy.

So, to summarize, it is all a matter of perspective.:highfive:
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
* Yes it is

* Compression takes a long time and it takes away quality

* Well it did not for me:

gameplay video on n7000

* Yeah, most people don't use their phone to take indoor and night time pics right?

* Well that plastic stick from the note is pressure sensitive, always available, and has a button for many functions who need it

* Not everybody takes a shower in the rain or gets their phone so wet it fries the motherboard

So, to summarize, it is all a matter of perspective.:highfive:
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] Troute:
Answering your stars

HD movies on a 6" screen is utterly pointless, it's pointless on a 30" screen never mind 6"

Compressing HD defeats the purpose, why go to all the effort of making an HD movie and then add compression artifacts to it?

You're being facetious here I know but gx3k is right, there's a lot more to a good camera than pixels.

Waterproof isn't necessary to 99.9% of people but yes it could be useful, though I'd hope to have more sense than to use my device in the rain ;)
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] Tubgirl:
Just for those of you who haven't crunched the numbers... the ZU has a viewable screen area of 1080x1776 pixels (after subtracting the on-screen buttons area) which translates to a screen size of 6.08"

I think I prefer a real 6.3" (albeit a 720p) screen in a device that's smaller, but that's just my humble opinion ;)

Brgds... /Tubgirl
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
Me too. So for less actual usable screen, you get a phone that is 2.78 square inches bigger than the Mega.

Here is a video

of the Xperia Z Ultra pocket test. I don't think you can sit with it in your pocket or put it in your shirt pocket

unlike the Mega

. Even the ads for it never show it being put in the pocket, just in bags. Also, on screen buttons can be a hassle specially when playing games because they are more prone to tapping.

Xperia Z

HTC One

Mega 6.3
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] saintsimon:
Actually, on-screen-buttons (which disappear for movies anyway) are disposable. With root, Fullscreen Toggle and LMT Launcher (all available from XDA sources), one can get rid of the screen buttons and use pies or gestures instead on fully usable screen resolution.

That's what I'm using on my RAZR i (fullscreen, LMT and Nova launchers combined).
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
Does this work without rooting and custom ROM? Does this work with all apps like games? You can put on screen buttons with the Mega if you like and the bezels will still look better than the Xperia Z Ultra.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] saintsimon:
Root is required, but nothing else. They work with any ROM, any time. You might check yourself.

Fullscreen Toggle:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1497558

LMT Launcher (which is actually not a launcher, you still need a launcher of your choice):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1330150

I got so used to the pie control of LMT on my RAZR i, that often try to swipe the pie on my other devices, where LMT is not installed. :silly:

LMT might be quite usefull on the Mega, too. The pies can be positioned at the sides of the screen (and the ISAs and gestures can be positioned anywhere), so you don't have to change your grip on the beast to use controls.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
So it's like Button Savior app then. Having to do an extra tap/gesture to access basic commands can be a pain since you do it all the time. It defeats the purpose of android having 3 buttons (menu, home, back) that is always accessible. Anyway, rooting is not for regular users so they will be stuck with a smaller actual usable screen on the Xperia Z Ultra.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] saintsimon:
I recommend you to try pie control before making false assumptions how it works.

You don't tap, you swipe in from the side of the screen (of your chioce) into the sector of the pie where the function (of your choice) is positioned. The pie opens as overlay immediately as you touch the screen and when your finger arrives in the target sector, you get a feedback (of your choice) and the action starts with now further input. You can as well hold the position and an alternative action starts. My pie can start from bottom, left and right. Alls is done by one quick movement of your finger and the pie is allways accessible.

Thus you could steer the Mega from the side with one hand, not just from the bottom.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baileyjr:
Screw "regular" users I just want the device thats best for me...:D

And I've use pie control on my Note 2 to get extra screen space by hiding the notification bar.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
Just tried pie control and it does the same function as button savior but with a better interface and easier access. I wish Android or manufacturers will make it a default and make the front of the phone all screen with little to no bezel plus no on screen buttons and notification bar. Sadly the Xperia Z Ultra has huge bezels making it much bigger/bulkier than it should be.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] liqn7:
Its a compromise for the thiness. Sounds like this device isn't for you...stick to plastic samsung ;)

I on the other hand can't wait :)
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
That plastic argument is all you can contribute to this discussion? Shows what kind of consumer you are. The Xperia Z Ultra is only 1.5mm thinner than the Mega and for that you get a non removable battery with lower capacity and no flash. I don't think thinness is something you can boast about nowadays as most phones are more than thin enough. It's more for consumers like you who prefer numbers to boast about without really understanding what they are buying.

The glass back of the Xperia Z Ultra is less durable than polycarbonate used in the Mega. You can replace the Mega's back cover if needed and you can even get metal ones if you like. Once you cracked the Xperia ZU's back, it's gonna be expensive and it's more prone to finger marks than plastic:

Seems like its also prone to scratches, note the hairline scratch on the following pics:

So much for 'premium' materials.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] warfareonly:
*Yes, but it can be done. I'd happily sacrifice a lil' bit of quality in return for not filling up my microsd card, as there is no LTE here in India.

*Good for you. It lagged on mine even when overclocked :( (using NX-kernel)

*I said some may not need to, not most.Niches exist.I was simply pointing that out.

*I don't see how that is useful unless you're an artist :confused:

*I was riding a bike ('motorcycle' in America).It was a rain shower (short duration, high intensity).

*Umm, why ?

*Anime ;)

*Ugh, I'm tired of defending this point.I too think that no flash was a miss on Sony's part :(

*Please don't assume that.I was riding a motorcycle.I have more sense than spending ~$737 and taking it out in the rains :crying:

btw, guys, what is that "n" shaped thingy beneath the hairline crack pics that [MENTION=1068806]gx3k[/MENTION] posted ? NFC symbol ? Or something else ?
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
It's the NFC symbol. Compressing a full hd video usually takes more time than the length of the video itself depending on the PC you use. A regular 1080p movie compressed takes 1 hour or more unless you want a really low quality output which defeats the purpose of having a 1080p screen. Maybe it will be better next year when phones have 128 Gb internal memory.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baladev:
I wonder why the hell they put it there it looks ugly and out of place and spoils the whole minimalistic design Sony employs. I've never seen it before on any other device.. this is a very strange design decision by Sony.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
Yeah, the symbol looked out of place. The size also seem to be an afterthought as they chose to sacrifice the bezel just to make the device thin. Maybe the symbol tells where where to point the other device for NFC since the back is quite broad.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] xatlx:
S.Dragon 800 - FAIL....

1080p Screen - FAIL....

Water Resistance - FAIL...

In comparason to the mega....

720p SCREEN - NOT FAIL...

3200 mAh (200mah more) - NO FAIL....

No Water Resistnace - NO FAIL....

Actually the Ultra is very poketable.

-you must take alot of pictures, to use the LED flash.. if so get the Nokia 1020 with 42megapixel. come with xenon flash and LED FLASHlight

-Design is perfect actually, A brick is thick and long, the Z Ultra is only long but thin, i love it. slide easy in and out of pocket.

-Battery Capcity, yup lower than the note 2 by 100mah and mega by 200mah.. Wow..note 2 can last 15 mins longer and mega can last 20 mins longer.... WOW... LOL!!

-Gigantic bezel in exchange for thinner body. I LOVE it !!

-No stylus included - I have my note 2 for over a year now, and not once i found my self using my stylus, unless i want to show off to a buddy of mine. So No stylus in exchange for waterproof, ill take that anyday. :D

-Glass or plastic, the phone will break if you drop it. First note 2 i dropped it on its back and the glass still breaks. LOL come again ?

-Did i mention the phone fit in my pocket easily ? Jeans i wear are, True Religion, Holister, A-F, Tommy, Levii, they all fitted the phone great, front and back pocket.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baileyjr:
The HSPA only (No LTE) Sku has been released in Taiwan and its making its way to ebay.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321173151309?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baladev:
For your sake, I hope you are not serious about this! Or you really don't understand the problem?

The problem is NOT that Ultra's battery is 200Mah less than Mega's! The problem is that:

- it's 3000Mah

- the screen is FullHD - 2.5 times more pixels than Mega's. In order to feed all these pixels in games or any progam that utilizes GPU, the GPU will have to work a lot harder and this will consume the battery charge much quicker

- the processor 4cores instead of 2 and the GPU is more powerful - will eat the battery quicker

and the best of all - the battery isn't user replacable, means you can't just take it out and put another one in or ever upgrade to the bigger one if you need (there are already 6400Mah batteries available for Mega - forget about this).

All in all, this translates to 2-4 hour game play for you at best video playback may be similar. Good luck with your battery!
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baileyjr:
Nexus 2013 7 has all those things plus a bigger screen, and a 4000 mAh battery, but they playback times are much higher. I think you have been been unduly pessimistic.

Powerjackets will certainly be available for the Ultra. I keep saying if you want a large 6.3" + screen and real top end specs there just isn't any other option, despite its shortcomings.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] xatlx:
Sony already confirm the play back for videos for the ultra 7.5 hrs. The new processor will consume less energy as Engadget have tested.

I dont need luck for my battery, i have a 22000mAh back up and i love it with an extra 15000mAh x3 :D you be running out of juice before i do.

My note 2 have a 9300mAh zerolemon and it still run out in a day. Still in need of a back up external power source. 6300mAh means nothing here. same for the sony 3000mAh.

I will take Top Tier performance over battery life anyday.. ;D

Its already been proven as well in the Z board that the Sony TFT display require less energy. Good luck with your dual core bud, while ill be enjoying my quadies :D
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baladev:
Video playback isn't power demanding these days, it's done in hardware very efficiently, gaming is a different story, though.

Actually, i don't care about quad-cores, otherwise i would be waiting for the Ultra, as you do.

Good luck carrying that external battery with you! Defies the whole purpouse of "portable"!
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baileyjr:
A comparison shot of the Ultra and the Mega side by side.

Theres nothing in it really. If you can live with the mega size I don't think its a massive jump to the Z Ultra...
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] Troute:
The squared off corners don't help it any. To be honest I don't understand why this discussion is even going on here. No one who is going to be happy buying a Mega would even consider spending so much more on the Sony.

It's a matter of simple arithmetic, if the Samsung give you X amount of tech/speed/experience does the Sony give you X hundreds of dollars worth of tech/speed/experience more to match the difference in price? if you think it does then buy it, if not then don't, simples! as the adverts say :)
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baileyjr:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I do agree, people should just vote with their $$$$ and enjoy the device which suits them best.

There is no need to set up camps.. :D People get far to emotional about these things lol
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
I think it IS a significant jump size wise because the Mega can fit regular pockets fine including shirt pockets while the Xperia Z Ultra won't or at least very uncomfortably. The squared corners also makes the situation worse. For 0.1 inch increase in screen you get a body that is 11.8 mm taller and 4.2mm wider.

I think what separates them is that the Mega can be pocketed while the Xperia Z Ultra can't so it's portability is lowered significantly as you need to put it in a purse, bag, etc. Anyway, buy the one that will make you happy.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] inurb:
There is so much bezel on the Sony.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baileyjr:
On the top and bottom there is, but thats to give you something to hold on to to operate the device in landscape mode. The new Nexus 7 is similar.

Basically its a small tablet that makes calls in my opinion. Where as a traditional phone is designed more for use in portrait mode.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
The Mega has smaller top/bottom bezels and you can hold it comfortably in one hand in landscape mode. You actually don't need big bezels since you can hold it by the sides plus the curved corners don't dig into your hand.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] Troute:
gx3k there's something evil lurking in that wooden cabinet thingy!!
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baileyjr:
Sure there's a workaround, but most people would't hold a device by its sides. If you try and hold it like in the first image, but use your other hand, or with both hands, you will touch the capacitive buttons on the other side.

I'm not saying its not possible, I'm just saying there's an actual design choice to have some top and bottom bezel on the ultra.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
I've asked a few people to hold the Mega in landscape mode and all of them held the top and bottom sides as it's more natural than pinching one bezel on the side. Then I tried it with the Nexus 7 and they instantly held on to the bezel. I guess it depends on the overall size of the device and the weight.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] jack4uno:
Sony Xperia ZR.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
I have yet to accidentally touch the buttons while in landscape mode because it's quite hard to do:
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baladev:
you have a good sense of humor, made me laugh!
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
Those are my socks which are quite evil. LOL :laugh:
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] baileyjr:
I anticipate another finger on the other side... ie two handed.

Although I wouldn't expect to hold any phone landscape, one handed, for a long time.

By the way I have nothing but good things to say about the mega 6.3, I bought one for the mrs and had a fair play around with it myself. I just fancy the Ultra for myself. Its not the perfect device but it fits my usage patterns and I can live with the tradeoffs.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
I anticipate another finger tapping on the screen. Lots of apps only work in landscape like games which can take a long time. You're right, the only person to decide what's the best phone for you is yourself :)
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] jack4uno:
Xperia Z ultra is available in my area (MNL, PH) for around 655 USD for the 3G version.

Still thinking whether I should wait for the Note 3 or just get the Ultra right now.

Personally, I've always liked the designs by Sony and Ultra is no different. I think it is a looker.

My only concern is the battery. I'm currently using an iPhone 5 and a full charge lasts 9-10 hours only which is quite frustrating.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] Troute:
They're looking at your Mega and saying "My Precious!!!"
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] bleclair:
I am fighting very hard not to use buy-it-now from eBay. They have one from Singapore overnighted with accessories and a warranty for $729.

I know it's 3g only, and that's a lot of cash but I think that device could replace my Nexus 7 and my phone. I have a Mega 6.3 but while the screen is pretty good, the 1920 screen on my Nexus 7 is much better especially for reading with the Kindle app. I also kind of miss the stylus on my Note 2.

I'd wait for the Note 3, but I think the new versions are going to be smaller than the 6.3 and I've gotten used to the screen size.

I just wish they'd paid a little more attention to the camera. I mean, no flash? Seriously??
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] afridiim:
Well guys.... just got a news that Xperia Z Ultra is going to be available in my place (Dubai) from 1st of Aug(Means tomorrow).

I am pretty much decided to move to Xperia ZU, but will depends on testing the DEMO unit (Sony Dubai said they are going to allow every buyer to use the demo unit for 20 Minutes before they actually buy it).

THE feature I will be testing is "Using almost anything as STYLUS". In my case its my Cross pen using as STYLUS. If its practical then Sorry MEGA.

Thanks

AFRIDI
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] xatlx:
No flash or Flashlight ? last time i check a keychain flashlight only cost about 50 cents here in the US.

If you mean flash for the photo then, you really dont need it :D it will ruin your great photos

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You tried to put in your pocket before? have you experienced with the ZU yet ? HOW THE F WOULD YOU KNOW ? just saying.

My self on the other hand found the ZU very poketable. do you need the list of brands of jeans i wear ?
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] Troute:
My question for bleclair would be - you'd seriously spend that kind of money on an imported item off eBay??
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
Wow, this is a discussion thread not a fanboy debate.

Here is a video

of the Xperia Z Ultra pocket test that I posted in this thread a few pages back. I don't think you can sit with it in your pocket or put it in your shirt pocket

unlike the Mega

. Even the ads for it never show it being put in the pocket, just in bags.

I hate it when people just jump into the thread sounding like they're defending their dignity when we're just discussing phones.

Here's side by side size

video comparison

, note that the Xperia Z Ultra is 2x the price of the Mega and they are in different categories.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] bleclair:
You know, I was thinking the same just before I clicked buy now on eBay. :D I thought I don't use flash too much, and it's not like I'm going to replace my Sony RX100 digital camera with a phone. (Hopefully someday, but that's a ways off.)

Andrewtst's short review is what pushed me over the edge, so thanks Andrew (or dang you!! :laugh:) Pictures look very good for a phone.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2386119&nocache=1

As per the size and pocketability, I wear cargo pants most of the time and even the new Nexus 7 isn't too uncomfortable to carry in my front pocket. (But I'd prefer smaller.)

To Troute, yeah, I would. I paid more than that for the original Note from Germany back in '11. :eek: I have a gadget addiction, but that's about my only hobby. I usually get a new gadget, play with it for about six months, sell it and lose a couple hundred which I just consider my rental fee. If you meant am I worried, no, I know this device works on AT&T 3g which is fast enough for me, the seller has almost 20k feedback and a 99.9% rating and I paid with PayPal.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] xatlx:
Lol so we based our finding on ads now ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYh-ffmFPc8 << that guy just put a tv in his pocket along with 5+ other devices.... hm... so yeah... :)

I have been putting my ZU in my front pockets and sit and stands with it in my pockets for days now.. nothing happened.. should i test it out more and get back to you on it? again, would you like to know the list of brand of jeans i wear ?
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] gx3k:
I have posted a proper video of a pocket test and size comparison, you just came back with an ad showing a guy putting it in a jacket pocket. Even I can put my Nexus 7 in there. Anyway, it seems like you're just here to boast and get attention. We don't want to know brand of jeans you wear. If you're not contributing anything substantial to this discussion then it's better if you go to an Xperia Z Ultra circle jerk thread.