yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] chriskwarren:
Earlier in this thread I indicated that I was sending back my batteries. In the interest of providing a full story, here is what happened since.

I bought the 3000ma batteries plus charger from bastexwireless on eBay. Here is a summary of what I was told:

1. They have mentioned to Zerolemon about the 3000ma batteries creating a bulge in the rear cover and it seems that Zerolemon is working on a fix (the quote was "This is an issue we have brought to zero lemons attention and they are working on fixing this slight bulge due to the high rating of 3000. We do offer a 2650 rating that closes well.")

Not sure why the 3000mas are still being sold, but in no way was I told that I should live with it, its normal, etc. If Zerolemon is fixing it then it must be an issue...

2. I am being sent the 2650ma battery kit as a replacement. Shipping costs for me to return the 'old' 3000ma batteries and shipping to Canada for the 2650ma batteries are being handled by the seller. If I were in the US, I would have been issued a return label but in this case, they will refund me the slowest shipping to them. They sell the 2650ma battery for the same price as the 3000ma (the 2650ma has NFC and the 3000ma does not) so I did not ask for additional refund money due to lower capacity battery.

So its a mixed bag really; kinda annoyed that the 3000mas are being sold if ZeroLemon knows and is fixing the bulging caused by the 3000ma batteries, but the seller is being reasonable in addressing my complaint after I complained. If the 2650ma batteries give me the same usage as the OEM then I still got a decent 'deal' (two batteries plus a charger for a little less than the cost of one OEM and charger) but not exactly what I was looking for in the first place, which was a great deal on two higher capacity batteries and a charger.

I'm not a jerk about this stuff so I'll leave good eBay feedback (with a warning about the 3000mas in the feedback) but I thought it best to let folks know about my experience here, and what seems like an acknowledgement by an approved seller that the 3000ma batteries are not what ZeroLemon intended it seems....
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Biker1:
I mentioned the above possible issue regarding the Bulging Batteries, and posted links explaining what Bulging Batteries are, and if the Mfr is acknowledging it as an issue, it just may be an Issue.

But I know people want to have the Best battery available for the cheapest price, and when possible issues which can be Dangerous are pointed out, some think there's a hidden agenda.

Sometimes it just Is What It Is ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] chriskwarren:
I personally believe that this battery was either designed without the proper tolerances, or that ZL's manufacturer did not follow the specs close enough. Hopefully these things are not expanding on their own after manufacture.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Biker1:
Lithium batteries already come from the factory with a charge in them, hence when you get your smartphone the battery can have a 50% or more state of charge, and begins discharging, albeit at a very slow rate, until it is charged. The point being that the charge/discharge process has already begun while in the factory, when it leaves the factory, etc. The Battery Bulge would appear to begin during this process. Are some batteries being manufacturered with the bulge due to size specs, and has nothing to do with the charge/discharge cycle, possibly but not likely.

What the cause of the battery bulging may be is linked in my other post.

Like someone once said:

If it Looks like a Duck, and it Quacks like a Duck, It Must Be a Duck ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] AndreiLux:
There is no battery bulge.

The battery is perfectly flat and the plastic tops and bottoms even with the dimensions of the battery's body. Unless there is some mystic process which expands the metal frame in perfect linearity in all dimensions, there is no problem with the battery's chemistry in terms of stability.

The battery is simply 0.49mm thicker than the stock one, and it may cause a slight bulge on the battery cover.

This is what a bloated battery looks like:
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Biker1:
Mystical process? Funny.....

I mentioned a bulge, and swell in previous posts because others have mentioned that Zerolemon mentioned they are aware of some batteries with battery Swell issues and to return for exchange, hence my links and explanation for those who have battery Swell.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] AndreiLux:
As far as I've read this whole thread, there hasn't been anybody who actually had a bulging/swelling battery.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] chriskwarren:
The fit with my battery seemed to be along the edges of the battery.

The back battery door cover bulged, and I could see an outline of the bottom of the battery but to be honest, I never tried to tell exactly what part of the battery didn't fit...I never contemplated taking the sticker off the battery, and with the fit of the battery, I find it hard to believe that removing the sticker would have fixed my issue.

One battery did seem to fit better than the other strangely, and I was able to repeat the results. Makes you wonder about the quality control into these things (even for a cheap battery).
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Biker1:
Post #249 pasted below prompted me to write about what a battery bulge or swell is. ZL is said to have used the phrase Battery Swell. In addition, the word bulge is also being used to described in some instances the rear cover not fitting flush in the area of the battery, creating a bulge, which sometimes confuses the issue.

initially "Posted by cas8180

Would you like me to make a video for you of two batteries showing this? I don't know why people insist in being in denial about the bulging and try to spin it like its a conspiracy theory! They are two big! They aren't stock! Except it and let's move on!

I don't think anyone is trying to deny you have a bulge. Were just stating we don't have a bulge and like Zero-lemon said that if your phone bulges its a case of battery swell, which they will take back and send you new ones. The thing I don't get I why you continually bash them to other people interested in the product. Just because your experience wasn't great doesn't mean everyone else will be also. For a $12 battery I don't expect the world But $12 with a 30 day no hassle money back guarantee and a 180 day warranty. Kinda hard to beat"

The quote by the poster states that ZL mentioned battery swell. Whether an accurate quote or not,?

The important take away is that those who own ZL batteries will be better able to tell whether their batteries are exhibiting Battery Swell or just a size differentiation, which is causing a Bulge in their rear cover where the battery fits into the battery compartment.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] AndreiLux:
Nobody ever confirmed a single battery which is swelling. Zerolemon did NOT confirm any battery swell beyond a post on Facebook replying to:

That's my whole point. There has been zero evidence throughout all the discussions here that there is any kind of battery swell.

Considering your below quote a few posts back, you're seem keen to come to a conclusion and misrepresenting the problem. A swelled battery is a grave problem that has important consequences, a just slightly oversized battery is of no real issue beyond minor esthetics.

No point in scaring uninformed/uneducated people in making them think their phone will explode.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] FLASHnox:
Hopefully getting mine in today, for the life of me I can't understand why it sat in Compton for 3 days. Do not I repeat do not pay for the more expensive shipping.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Biker1:
@ AndreiLux,

'No point in scaring uninformed/uneducated people in making them think their phone will explode."

I hear ya. I read what was quoted by Zero-lemon by a poster. If true that ZL acknowledged battery swell, that's a problem, even if no poster has experienced it yet, if that's accurate.

If Zero-lemon used a poor choice of words, or if the poster quoted Zero-lemon incorrectly, that's a different duck.

So as of now, unless someone specifically notices a Swell in their battery, I and others should take from this thread thus far that no one has experienced this condition, which is Safe & good to hear.

Posters and customers and others looking in now have a good idea from your pics and my links of what battery swell is, and if anyone experiences it, I hope they will post.

Assuming the phrase quoted by Zero-lemon is not accurate, so far the only issue regarding some of these batteries, which has been Noticed by those who have used them, is a fitment issue,
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] FLASHnox:
Just got it! That wonderful feeling of opening your mailbox and finding a package! Anyway I took some pics, put one on the charger and used the other to test cover bulging. It is in fact a tight fit and there is a small bulge, but you will only notice it if you look for it in decent lighting. I'm not even sure if you can see the bulge in the 2 pics I took, partly I was to lazy to line up the angles perfectly. OHHHH AND HEADS UP don't remove the wrap around the battery, it doesn't make the size any smaller or the fit less tight, it just voids your warranty. Nice way to end up with a lemon if the battery messes up. Either way I ordered it through Amazon and if the battery isn't up to par ill go through Amazon to get a refund.

First charge cycle tests coming in tomorrow, both batteries should be charged and ready to go by the morning.

Pictures

http://imgur.com/a/0t9wt#0
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] cas8180:
Not sure why we are arguing over the definition of buldging is the tern itself is relative. I dont think anyone here has referred to have a defective battery with the actual bulging bubble and effect. I believe everyone here is referring the actual battery pushing up against the battery compartment and the back cover because its just to damn big and causing a buldging effect with the back cover.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] FLASHnox:
Exactly, I don't think anyone actually implied the battery itself is bulging.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] longhorn262:
Just got my batteries in the cover bulges slightly on mine but the cover still closes with little force.

I will be testing and comparing my batteries using battery benchmark from the play store.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Android'sFinest:
I've had experience with these kinds of batteries before the ones that supposedly add extra capacity while still maintaining the same size and I've not had a good experience previously. Most of the time they are cheaply made and because of that they don't actually hold their "actual" capacity. My best bet was to get an extra replacement battery should my primary one run out. That's just me however, I'm not bashing the product as I've never used it. Hopefully I'm proven wrong!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] sob372:
This is from the first day of use after fully charging my s4. These results look better than any of the ZL screenshots ive seen. Why bother
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] MR8SIN:
Got around similar results. Except with 6hrs talk time. :highfive:
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Pasindu88:
Looks like interesting. But need more info about compatibility
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] sob372:
With stock battery?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Cobra01:
Does spigen slim armor case fit?

I'm getting this battery soon and just wanted to know if it fits, thanks! ^_^
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] FLASHnox:
My slim armor view fits, so your slim armor should fit. Don't quote me on it though.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Rafael4096:
Battery seems the same as the original here.....but it does bulge the back cover just a bit. Nothing to get upset over.

Nothing to rave about either.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] frrlod:
Just got mine. Here are some FACTS about it:

- The back cover is harder to put on but it fits, there IS a BULGE. It even makes my UAG case sit unevenly when sitting on a surface.

- The battery is stronger than stock. It feels a lot more than it should be, not sure if it's in my head, but first cycle and it's already doing wonders.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] MR8SIN:
No the ZL 3000mah
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] FLASHnox:
Guys care to post pics of your case bulges?

Anyway so far off my first charge.

18% 4h 20m of on screen time watching 720p 10bit anime.

50% brightness, nothing on but mobile data (4g)

It could probably pull 5+ hours easily. Sadly I got work in a bit, so I'm going to pop in my second battery. So far I'm impressed.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] cas8180:
You can find countless pics of the buldging back within this thread. This post is getting out of control with 29 pages of the exact same thing
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] gt5oh:
Common guys, you heard the man... he wants pictures of your bulges :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Mubaraakkk:
My best performance on the stock battery. .. I want to know if the ZL will be able to better this?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] longhorn262:
Just had my first full drain on one of the ZL batteries and got 1d 5 h and 4 h of screen on with about 10 percent left. Popped in the second battery earlier everything is turned up and it looks like I might hit 6 hours of screen on time with this one.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] optimummind:
Wow, the screen-on time is really good!

What was your screen brightness set up to? Also, what software tweaks did you use and which TouchWiz options did you turn off?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] xCovErtWolFx757:
I wanna know everything too. That is amazing!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] MR8SIN:
I see screen time only though. Not much for using the phone in the categories of usage below. I'd hope you didnt leave the screen still for 6 1/2 hrs as AMOLED can cause screen burn in. :eek:
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Little Bigboy:
lol
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] FLASHnox:
As I have posted mine with little to no bulge I would like to see how it varies and haha bulges, what are you 12? "case bulges"
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] msavic6:
I wonder how much better the ZeroLemon would be than stock.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Mubaraakkk:
My brightness was set to Auto. I'm on the normal stock rom. I've only had this S4 for 2 weeks now but I only charge once I hit the 2 percent mark.

I always have power saving and mobile data enabled and I dont use the other touchwizz features.

Played on MyBoy emulator for a while. abit of Youtube and web browsing. But I think you'd agree.. 6 hours 30 mins screen time really is impressive!

If I keep getting results like these maybe I won't need to get the 7500 MAH ZL :D
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] MR8SIN:
Ill test the ZL3000 tonight. Only problem is what usage you show comes upto 96% Meaning you split Myboy,Youtube, and web browsing between only 4% of that battery life. Are we testing real world conditions or we just charging our phones and letting their screens stay on all day? :D
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Mubaraakkk:
Mine was done under "real world conditions" but come to think of it according to the percentages it seems as though I didn't use the phone to its maximum o.O hmm but do keep me posted on your results of the ZL!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Cobra01:
Wow nice!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Fors2600:
good :good:
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] lazard:
The carriers blocked Google Wallet from working because they plan on releasing their own version of NFC payment.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] nismo35:
in for deets
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dh350nwo:
As was stated prior Sprint is the only S4 that GWallet works out of the box. Many of the other providers are working on their own payment methods. Just another was they can limit your choice.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] jboodram:
Just ordered mine...to those saying why bother. Trust me you have to use these batteries to understand. I had their 2300mah battery for the s3 and got around 1:30 extra screen time with around 3 hours extra standby which for heavy users is exactly what we need to get through the day.

---------- Post added at 12:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:05 AM ----------

Can't wait for the reall capacity of the battery to be tested I bet its more than advertised.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] kanyewest:
$26.99 just ordered mine (3000mah) 2 batteries plus worlds fastest charger (lol) via ebay; they have better shipping options... free 3-5 days .... $4 2-3 days..... $26 overnight
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] cas8180:
I am on the fence with this one I have been waiting for this battery to come out for a while but the drop of NFC is a little disappointing. I also consider myself a power user and have yet to run the stop back to 0% in a single day of usage. May hold off and see some reviews from people on here...
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] kanyewest:
they also have the 2650(mah) with nfc for the same price
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] aw1974:
Dammit, I just pulled the trigger on the Ankers today.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] optimummind:
Yay, mine has shipped already! I hope to receive it by Friday or Saturday. On my OEM battery during the weekdays, I have to charge my phone by usually 11PM. If this battery allows me to charge only when I'm turning in for the night (12AM to 12:30AM), I'll be content.

And for the weekend, I got their 7500mah battery. :D
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] msavic6:
Be sure to keep us updated with battery stats!
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Solange82200:
Thanks guys for clearing that up! Any idea when att will come out with their Nfc payment?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] anuj291:
The battery can be charged by normal Samsung charger correct?

I am planning to buy this without the charger at $12..i will just start using this instead of the original battery...

Sent from S4
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] paceywitter:
I ordered mine last and plan to do the same. I'm a power user and that extra hour or more will help me out. Plus I don't use NFC or Google Wallet
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] terzo33:
The battery can be charged by original charger?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] paceywitter:
I can't see why it couldn't charge the phone with the extended battery with a a standard usb charger.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Toleraen:
Much thanks, in for two! I rarely run out of battery on stock, but there's always that one time where you'd pay $20 to get a few more minutes that make it worth it :D

I'm not familiar with NFC on our phones...is the antenna, receiver, etc physically housed in the stock battery?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] terzo33:
thanks ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Duff166:
Someone knows an EU-Store where I can buy this battery? I dont want to pay 8€ for shipping when the battery costs just 10€...:(
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Wiidesire:
I've searched, but it's only available on Amazon (18 euros) or ebay (17 euros) :/
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] probablecauz69:
i contacted an ebay seller that has these batteries. theeir auctions show ones that are 3000mAH and NFC enabled. they tell me that they are in fact NFC enabled. i am going to order one and see what happens. they are the same price as the are on amazon. worth a shot. :good: after reading the fine print of course it is not NFC enabled. either way i wanted one of these batteries.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] cas8180:
Please do I just ordered the non NFC ones and would send them back is this is a viable option
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] anuj291:
Just purchased.. Shipping costed more than the product..

Sent from S4
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Noob-xda:
27$ for 2 batteries and a wall charger? That's a good deal! Plus it's Zerolemon, they are a good brand and I know I can trust them. My Note II Zerolemon battery was a success so I'm hoping this 3,000 mAh battery will also give me a good result as well.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] evolutionqy7:
Just ordered the two batteries + the charger...Getting annoyed of using the big fat battery to get decent battery. Hopefully these live up to the expectations.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] :
do they fit normally with the stock battery cover or will there be a bulge :confused:
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] CZ Eddie:
The first three reviews on that amazon link are all fake. So disgusting that mfg's resort to that sort of crap.

1) The reviews are too new for anyone to have actually received the product and tested it.

2) None are "verified buyers".

3) One of them had three different reviews and ALL were for the same battery company product.

"Worlds fastest charger...."

lmao
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] cas8180:
That's got me nervous considering I just pulled the trigger and bought 2
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] CZ Eddie:
I wouldn't worry too much. I'm sure these batteries are as good as any other battery on Amazon. And I have no doubt they will last longer than stock battery.

But the company has a history of "propping" itself up so it can stand out against the competition. That's my only beef with them.

I myself won't buy their products though. Simply because of this. And because I need NFC.

I'm just waiting till Samsung comes out with a couple more OEM accessories and then I'll register with them and get the 50% coupon and buy a couple OEM batteries and charger all at the same time. I don't mind spending a bit more to get a product that I'm already familiar with and trust.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] optimummind:
Bummer, didn't get the battery today. :(

I tried going through today with the OEM battery but it died after a bit over 5 hrs of screen time. So I popped back in my ZL 7500mah. :p
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Wiidesire:
I just bought a 2900mah from Mumbi

There is also 2900mah from PolarCell

both don't have NFC, just as the Zerolemon, which has 3000. Do you really think Zerolemon has 3000 and not 2900? It seems logical to me that without NFC everyone can provide a bit more battery, but what makes Zerolemon so special that they can push another 100 mah or is it just a lie as the review on amazon?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] lambstone:
Zerolemon has a good reputation. Google it.

Your Mumbi and Polarcell on the other hand aren't nearly that well known.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] bayniner:
Is nfc needed for sbeam to work
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] il buono:
S Beam uses both NFC and wifi direct so you could just use the wifi direct...assuming both devices are on the same wifi connection. To initially connect to the other device without NFC you'll need an app like SuperBeam and scan a QR code. NFC is obviously a lot more convenient if you're on the go and wifi isn't available.

Sent from my Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] oilfighter:
Yes, but if you use the app called SuperBeam, you can initiate the connection without NFC.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.majedev.superbeam
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] cobyman7035:
are all s4 batteries compatible? i need a zerolemon battery that will fit the rogers samsung s4 in canada, thanks
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] bayniner:
Im aware of superbeam I use to have It on previous device, i dont care for nfc but my wife got an s4 just so she can be beaming me stuff lol and well we all know how women are if I make her have to dl an extra app and do more steps she will nag and complain
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] nm8:
Just send the files via wifey direct...
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] lixxus:
When is this available in the UK?
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] dannysmith43:
Thinking the same thing myself.....they ship internationally but I'd like to know that its better than stock.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] nm8:
There is a seller in amazon uk but he only sells for note 2 and s3 atm.... i have emailed the seller about availability... I will let you know what he says.. or it might be worth you emailing the seller as well so he will feel the pressure..
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] swieder711:
Looking for a stock sized battery with more capacity. Anxious to see some user results.
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Toss3:
Just placed an order for two. Too good to miss for 30€ (includes shipping). :good:
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] surge27:
Too cheap to not give it a shot. Plus regular price shows $79?! Lol

Reviews on their other products have been pretty good. (From pro bloggers i trust)

Can't wait...

No issues with OEM but extra battery life would be the hotness!

Thanks OP for spreading the word
[Galaxy S 4 Accessories] Jacob2kD:
i ordered me this other day waiting to get in see how goes http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CXZHXTG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1