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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] LancerV:
Get a canon 40d for roughly 300-350 used and and a nifty 50 for 100 dollars to start. Will take more amazing pictures than any camera in the same price range

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Or if you have more money you can get a 5d which will run you around 500-600 for the body, and you dont really need more than 8megapixels unless you plan on printing pictures that are bigger than a 10x14 or want to crap the out of pictures but even than a lower megapixel with a full frame sensor is going to give a better picture than a 15mp with a APS-C
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] shangrila500:
The Olympus E-620 is most definitely higher than the Canon 40D but the Canon seemed kind of dinky dink to me compared to other Canons I've owned in the past. I was really unimpressed with they last few releases, this comes from someone that used nothing but Canon his entire life. It seems to me that Olympus and Fuji were the ones on top of their game these past few years to me, that is changing now though and it looks like Canon is taking their spot back at top. The biggest part to me is the OP is a beginner and should really get something cheaper and that had lenses and the other accessories, he could have the Olympus with a lens for the same price as the body of the 40D and get 2 lenses for the price of the 5D.

That said I am a bit biased on my camera and its functionality, however i used to love Canon and it wasn't until a particularly bad experience with one of their top of the line DSLRs that I went looking for a new brand. It does look like they have released quite a few nice new DSLRs and hopefully when I a, in the market for a new one they will be king again.

OP, Here is a review for the Canon 40D:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos40d

OP, you have a lot of research to do, you need to figure out what it is you are looking for in a camera and what features are most important to you before you jump in and buy one. You then need to make a decision on how much you're willing to spend and narrow it down to 3-5 cameras that have the features you want out of a camera and then narrow it down to the one you want. Keep in mind that most DSLRs only come with the camera body, they don't have a lens with them unless it specifically says it does,

LancerV is completely right about the 8 megapixel part, it honestly doesn't matter for most uses unless you'll be blowing it up to poster board size. That being said, most DSLRs have between a 10-12 megapixel camera on them. Really the thing that will affect your pictures and how they look is the sensor and not how many megapixels a camera has. That's why the HTC phone with a 4 megapixel, I believe it was 4, camera could take better pictures than any of its competitors, it has an outstanding sensor array on it that beat anything that had ever been put in a phone before and I haven't seen a better sensor array in any of the newer phones. I don't buy a phone for the camera though, that's why I have my DSLR.

Also keep in mind you are getting a cheaper DSLR to begin with until you get used to it and figure out which features you want/need and what is best for your situation.

Some good brands are Olympus, Fuji, Canon, Nikon, and Sony in no particular order.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] LancerV:
Yeah pretty much Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus you are arguing over minute points. The key too me is the lenses which is going to cost you in the long haul 3-100x the amount the body ever cost you. My 50mm 1.2L cost 3x as much as the body of my camera
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] harajyuks:
appreciate the starter info guys. that dpreviews website is a great resource for me, thanks for putting me onto a good starting point. I am looking for a camera that does good with motion and sports, as well as something I can use around family events for portraits and people shots... and the occasional landscape shot for the old desktop. I have to continue to learn, but I am not opposed to spending more for a product that I can grow into and maintain a sense of longevity with. I am enjoying the hunting right now, I feel like a kid in a candy store, albeit an exclusive German Chocolatier who only deals with the freshest Colombian cocoa beans.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] lukegman:
This should say "hey I made a nice camera app..."
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] harajyuks:
As the post title? Lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] shangrila500:
Why would you say that? We are talking about cameras, not apps.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] lukegman:
Well...if you want a nice camera...buy a camera...because phones you cannot add lens...filter...zoom...it is as basic as take a picture and use an app...besides it reads like a commercial for an app...even the camera differences usually boil down to software
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] shangrila500:
And that is exactly what we are talking about if you read the OP.

The Galaxy NX is a DSLR running android instead of a proprietary camera OS. Did you read the OP and responses?

And are way more difference between cameras than *just software*, even between cell phones there is usually a difference between the cameras. What you are thinking of are the features in the app we use on Samsung stock ROMs. Nonetheless we are talking about actual cameras and have been the entire time, he asked about the NX in the OP, so your initial post makes no utter sense.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] lukegman:
I read it like I was in the note2 general forum...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] LancerV:
No its a full DSLR with an APS-C sensor size and look through viewfinder. It actually has pretty impressive specs shooting 20.8fps is pretty decent for a camera that size.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] shangrila500:
Granted, it still has quite a way to come before I would purchase it as my daily use DSLR. Right now I see Samsung as mainly experimenting with the camera market, with an Android DSLR, trying to figure out the nest way to implement it and have full use of the features.

It's still really really a really nice camera and has amazing potential, once they get the bugs worked out and figure out the best way to tie in the camera into android so you get full use of everything I would definitely buy it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] LancerV:
Yeah my only issue is going to be battery life and I think it was alot of touchscreen controls to modify the settings which would drive me insane
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] shangrila500:
So just because it is in General means that anything posted about a camera means that you want an app? He was most definitely asking about a camera and how well it functions as the camera, not an app.

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Yeah, I don't think the battery life would be terrible, it would be groundbreaking either, but them taking away a lot of buttons and replacing it with touch controls seems neat but would be a big pain in the ass for anyone using it as a camera that needs to change features frequently. That was on of the things I like the least about it, I understand the need or want to make it more sleek and that requires getting rid of buttons.... But man would it be a pain in the ass to deal with.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] LancerV:
Yep and good luck trying to pictures with gloves on.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] BoostedB18C:
Just curious why we are having a discussion on the galaxy camera in the note2 forum? Seems out of place since this thread has nothing to do about the phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] harajyuks:
No Galaxy NX forum exsists, hence I posted in the forum for the device I owned

I posted here to talk with other Samsung owners who are familiar with both Samsung products and DSLR or mirror less cameras to guage their opinions on how they would see a device like the NX in comparasion to the cameras they have used or owned. I appreciate the perspective of the Samsung user and the experience of the photographer enthusiasts.

On a side note reading the OP would have indicated my reasoning and hopes for posting this topic here. Feel free to lend some advice if you have anything to share. I have no clue what I am doing with regards to photography, although I am learning more everyday, and the small jewels I picked up from posting this have helped me tremendously. Participation is always appreciated.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] harajyuks:
Lol... it took me a while but I finally got it :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] BoostedB18C:
OP doesn't fully explain why you posted here, but it's all good. I had an interest in the galaxy cam but after reading about it decided it wasn't worth it. Get a real camera and you will be way more satisfied.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] harajyuks:
After starting in on my homework for what kind of device I would like to own, pricing new and used cameras and applying my shallow, but increasing, knowledge base, I have come to the point (not final) that I would be willing to buy the NX as a new device if it was packaged as kit for around $850-$999, :). I agree that is too much to pay for the NX, and probably not where it will be priced, but at the $850 mark I could justify it to myself because it would be cheaper than the price of the new DSLR cameras that I found myself looking attracted.

Conceding that the NX will not be priced in that range I really think my best move is a Canon EOS Rebel T5i or the Nikon D5200. I would like to get something new, or open box, from Best Buy, only because the 60 return period is the closest thing to 'grace and salvation' when it comes to electronics.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] shangrila500:
Its a very nice idea but it still has a ways to come before it is worth that price tag.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] iflip:
As a photographer myself I must say that this camera does appeal to me. For the reason that there are a vast amount of photography and editing apps for android that I've found to be pretty useful. One being Photoshop for phone. And pixlr express. And then a range of raw converters and even a video editing app. But it is a mirrorless camera and those types have their own line of lens support which is pretty limited. I have been a Canon user for years. I possess a couple of pro lenses and would be able to use them on this camera using a mount adapter but would not be able to use the auto focus on my lenses. I am considering this purchase but it would just be a toy for now. A very expensive and tempting purchase. And me wants it....me wants it badly.

But if you're interested in buying an entry level slr I would suggest an entry level dslr from Canon, Nikon or any other more established brand with good optics. The t4i or t5i would make more sense than the rumored price of the galaxy nx.that's pretty pricey for a mirrorless cam, and an experimental one at that. The t4i/t5i has a capacitive touchscreen that works pretty well. Our if you wanna go mirrorless, Canon has an eos-m for $800. And Nikon has one for around the same price.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] sbrownla:
Samsung NX210 Camera Owner Here

I got an NX210 to compliment my Galaxy Note II, and I can honestly say that it is an absolutely fantastic camera for a beginner or a professional. I paid 500 for it and it came with a kit 18-55mm lens. It took zero effort to get it up and running, and I had a LOT of support from Samsung and people on DP Review, even though I really haven't needed either for anything more than tips and tricks.

I can't see the Galaxy NX costing more than 699, which is pretty steep for a first camera--BUT if it's what you want, there's nothing wrong with starting with it.

Canons and Nikons are neat and all, but I have friends who have them and to me they look bulky and cheap. When they see my NX210 and what it can do--wifi direct sharing, etc.--I can feel their jealousy (though that's not what I'm trying to get at all). Do our pictures come out the same? Pretty much because we are beginners, but a large amount of my personal confidence comes from having a camera that helps me to feel proud and distinctive to own. I LOVE having my camera with me because it is gorgeous, AND it takes great photos!

An excellent photographer can work wonders with a mobile phone camera. What I'm saying is, get what makes you happy, and what you will want to pick up and take photos with. The Galaxy NX is definitely going to be a fantastic camera, and will be able to compete if not beat out many of the other competitors because Samsung has refined their versions of both Android, as well as their version of DSLR photography.

I've attached some photos taken with my NX210 and you can bet that the ones you'll get from the Galaxy NX will be slightly better. But this way you can see what kind of photography you can expect from Samsung.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] shangrila500:
I've got to say those pictures definitely don't look as good as a decent DSLRs pictures would, even with a complete noob running the DSLR.

There are definite advantages to having the camera but it is still just a test product in a way.

I actually got to play with one at BestBuy last night and I was extremely disappointed with the photo quality and with the camera in general. It was just a huge pain in the ass.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] sbrownla:
That was quite a **** way to put it but I don't mind criticism. I am not sure what qualifies you as an expert but for those interested in Samsung dslrs, here are reviews from real photography experts.

User photos speak for themselves and they are excellent. Samsung doesn't screw around when it comes to their dslrs and their lenses while pricey are fantastic. And you can get Canon mounts.

Playing around in Best Buy is no valid way of determining the benefits of a priduct unless you are testing look and feel.

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/samsung_nx300_review/

http://digital-photography-school.com/samsung-nx300-review

http://m.dpreview.com/products/Samsung/slrs/samsung_nx300

And here are some photo streams:

http://m.flickr.com/#/search/advanc...S_all_AND_w_IS_all_AND_s_IS_rec_AND_page_IS_2
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] shangrila500:
I never once said I am an expert, but neither are you.

I am just a hobbyist that knows a few things about DSLRs. The Galaxy series of cameras are really great ideas but the execution is lacking. They have a ways to go before it becomes an excellent product, and let's be honest Sammy has never been known for its DSLRs until very very recently. Go read the reviews by famous photographers, they say pretty much the same thing I've said thus far in this thread. The camera is, at this point, just an experiment and they are still trying to figure everything out.

I am simply stating that the pictures are not as good as a similar priced DSLR, hell you could get a cheaper DSLR and still have better photo quality. What I am talking about has nothing to do with the photographer and everything to do with the components and the execution and full use of those components.

I know what the photos look like, I've seen plenty from people here, on reddit, etc bragging about how good it is or how much better it is when it really isn't.

What are you talking about with the Canon Mount comment?

And no playing with it at BB doesn't give you the full range of its features or its powers, it does give you a glimpse and it does show you how clunky the UI is on the NX. The original GC had a much better user experience and was much much easier to navigate and change features than the NX. Hell, the NX did about 6 hotboots while I was playing with it. It wasn't only the first one I picked up that suffered from hotboots and continuous forcecloses either, it was all 6 of their display models that they had just put out a day prior.

And I was not being a **** at all, I am not critiquing your skills or abilities. I am critiquing the ability of the camera. The bottom line is for that price the camera should be much much better, you can buy much better cameras for less than that with extra lenses and everything else you would need.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] sbrownla:
Hang on, don't get hung up on price just yet because it will only confuse people.

Mirrorless cameras like the Samsung and Sony NEX are all relatively new and when it comes to price, they are all more costly than entry level Canons and Nikons--which by the way, are different types of DSLR cameras. They are in a different category.

From an old DPReview review on the NX10 (2010), one of the first Samsung NX cameras:

"Overall then, the NX10 does many things very well. It's not without its flaws but not to the point that you feel like you're part of a beta/guinea pig program. However, it's not substantially better than the smaller micro four thirds cameras nor is it as good as the best DSLRs in its class. So, while we wouldn't whole-heartedly recommend the NX10, we wouldn't disuade anyone from buying one either - if you've taken your time to learn its many stengths, and its handful weaknesses, you won't be disappointed."

Please don't mislead the OP by mixing categories of cameras. He or she should really be doing the research and not listening to misinformed, incomplete hobbyist opinion.

You didn't like your experience at Best Buy, fine. It's not right for you, but many people have been happy with their NX Cameras and have produced great shots.

As always, there are enough options out there for there to be something excellent for everyone.

I mentioned the Canon mounts because Canon has a huge selection of EF lenses, so for those of us who like variety of lenses but want to go beyond Samsung's, there are others we can use.

I don't know where you are getting the idea that NX images are bad or poor when compared to other mirrorless cameras that are cheaper, but I'd like to see some of them. And come on, you totally bashed the quality of my photos, there's no arguing that. I'm not sure what about them you didn't believe to be acceptable but I am open to it. I'll even post the full originals.

"I've got to say those pictures definitely don't look as good as a decent DSLRs pictures would, even with a complete noob running the DSLR."
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] harajyuks:
I appreciate the sources on the reviews and always enjoy polar opinions. I am still definitely researching to make an educated purchase. I am really liking what I am seeing with the Canon rebel t5i, but I'm definitely going to get a little hands on time with the new galaxy shooter. I think the pictures you posted were great shots and an not trained enough to see where a full DSLR week offer me any difference. However, information I have found during mug search has led me to want a DSLR over a mirrorless. User control of settings and video capabilities are what have me leaning that way. I JJ forward to making a so in at BB myself to check it out.

You boys have been active though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] LancerV:
Using an DSLR as a Camera isnt ussually all that great, unless you have all USM lens the noise from the focusing will be heard like crazy on the mic pick up. I would get an EOS XXD Series over a Rebel as the controls are laid out better and the body is metal vs plastic and most of them are water resitant. I think the 60D though they switched to plastic but the 50D is still Magneisum
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] shangrila500:
I've already told the OP to do his/her research, I'm just providing my experience with it. Also I'm not talking about the original Galaxy which I like but the NX. They've changed quite a bit with it and its not entirely good.

I am bashing the quality of the photos because I don't see very good quality, I'm not bashing your skills just that the pictures do not look as good as others i have seen or taken with lower priced cameras. Yet again, as I said earlier, this has NOTHING to do with your skills but the quality of the photo that the camera is able to take in comparison with other cameras in a similar or lower price bracket.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] Nefariouss:
All those pictures look underexposed to me.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] iluciferi:
Honestly I would say the t4i or the t5i as I have messed with both and the touchscreen does come in handy for a quick touch to focus. Now the one I shoot with daily is an Olympus pen epl1 with a minolta lens. Cool thing about any micro four thirds camera is the availability of lens adapters. Older manual focusing lenses just can't be beat and you can get some pretty cool effects. I have 500 total invested in my set up and that's the camera and 7 lenses. And you can get the four thirds to micro adapter and that will have working auto focus. Just my two cents. I'm not a pro by far.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II] DjRenigade:
Sony Alpha Series DSLR

I ahve shot Sony Alpha DSLR cams since 2005. Lots of glass for them and good construction. I do now use my Samsung G Note 2 a lot because it is with me everywhere.
[HTC One S] TheArtiszan:
Hello all,

I have another one of these phones on a different line that is not rooted and the user don't want to either.

For the past 4 updates the phone never got ota updates.

I usually was able to get a ruu and update the phone.

I was wondering if anyone knew if a way to force install the new update for this phone?

Mainly important because having so much problems with battery life on that one.

Thank you in advance and for your time.
[HTC One S] TheArtiszan:
Anyone?

The battery drain is really being a killer on that one.
[HTC One S] TheArtiszan:
Ahh Come on. lol

I have searched for the last few days and can't find anything.

It won't allow me to push it to cache partition either.

Is there anyone that figured out how to do this?
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] MrFrizzy:
Alright, here is my dilemma: I rooted my One and put the Android Revolution HD 11 ROM onto it. It wasn't until I was setting everything back up that I noticed that here is no Wifi-Calling anywhere. I need it back.

What are my options here? Is there another rom that has the wi-fi calling? Do I need to go back to stock?

I don't need 4.2.2, I just need the wi-fi calling back. It's a T-Mobile unit.

Any help I can get would be greatly appreciated!!
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] xxquicksh0txx:
Search around, there's a stock cwm backup around here. Restore it and apply it's updated after you flash the stock recovery and relock bootloader.

Or you can flash any Rom based on the old firmware. I.e 2.17/2.19 like trickdroid 5.6
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] MrFrizzy:
Sorry, but i'm not even a week old when it comes to being exposed to android. I was an ios fanboy and rather handy when it came to jailbreaks and the such, but then I came to the darkside:)

I'm not sure what i'm searching for here. cwm?? Trickdroid 5.6 is 1.29.401.16r which is still 4.1.2. Does that mean that it will have the wi-fi calling? I read on here that 4.2.2 doesn't have wi-fi calling support yet and that is why it doesn't exist in android revolution hd 11.

Thanks
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] dastylee:
check out this

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=40745177
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] MrFrizzy:
I just went with the TrickDroid 5.6. Since it is still 4.1.2, it has the Wi-fi Calling and does what I need it to do. It seems a little faster than stock, but not as fast as Android Revolution.

Can anyone recommend a mod that will give me more volume levels? It's too loud at it's lowest setting (one button click above silent) and I'd like to be able to make it quieter.

Thanks
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] negativefx:
I thought I was the only one that thought this about the One! If you install CyanogenMod, you can make a custom flat EQ in DSP Equalizer that drops the speaker by any amount (say, -6dB or even -12dB) of your choosing. The downside is that when that EQ is active, the max volume of the phone will also be affected by that same amount.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 General] Gill:
Are there any good chat programs which you can use with MSN contact? They need to be suitable for an XDA 1.