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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Jonathan10117:
Unlucky for that gentleman! I would assume with the S4 Active, Samsung covers water damage, as they are considered "Waterproof," if they didn't, I wouldn't see a reason why they wouldn't cover water damage. All that is protecting the phone from the pesky H2O, is a thin film of vapor that acts as a sealant. I'm unsure of how long that thin film will actually last, everything wears and tears ;)

Unfortunately up here in CANADIA, we are unable to get the S4 Active up here, not sure why, as I would like to have one, but S4 is still good... just need a waterproof case ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] R_AL_Sim:
that gasket will peel off

Ok had to open the back of my phone today to remove the battery as it froze (its the second time i've removed the cover since I had the phone 4 weeks ago) the gasket appears to have come off the back plate seems there glue is fairly week.

think i'll be returning this phone I guess my expectations are too high my motorla defy seemed much tougher than this
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] R_AL_Sim:
lol no it is a fact this phone doesnt have a speaker and mic blow out feature making it useless immediately after getting it wet, unless I've missed that feature please do explain how to activate it

when you use real waterproof equipment you notice the difference.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] br0adband:
But the Active - and the Defy as well - are not water-proof devices. People need to figure that out and realize it - they are dust and water-resistant and yes there's a big difference.

Anyone that buys the Defy or the Active or any other device that plainly states it's water-resistant and expects them to be dunkable/submersible for extended periods at extended depths or water-proof really needs to read the descriptions of the products just a bit better. :D
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] R_AL_Sim:
I know thats what i was saying in my orriginal post i was comparing the device to a icom m72 water proof vhf

and someone said what i was saying is speculation not based on fact :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Thaantje:
But how is it possible that you think that they are water-resistant while they got the IP67 rating.

Which clearly states: The device with this rating can me submerged for 30min. till 1 meter..

quite waterproof isnt it?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] br0adband:
I'm not sure if you understand the IP ratings or the words "water-resistant" or "waterproof" so...

and...

They do not mean the same things. As for the IP rating, it's just a measure of how well a device did in testing against certain forms of ingress (stuff getting inside), with dust and liquids being the two most worrisome materials. The IP67 rating just means the device is dust-proof (the 6, and it's sealed from dust completely with no ingress whatsoever) and water-resistant (the 7) with resistance up to 30 mins in duration at up to 1m or 3 feet of depth.

It's just a guideline, for the most part, not an absolute rule set in stone that must be absolutely adhered to. The device tested at IP67 so that's the rating it got. They may have tested it for IP68 (the 8 meaning continuous unending immersion in water) and it failed, so it got the IP67 rating as noted.

(most of this info comes from the IP rating entry at Wikipedia, just for the record - I'm no expert on this kind of hardware but it's pretty easy to understand the ratings and why it's used).

If the GS4A was waterproof you could toss it in a bathtub of water and come back next month and it'll still be functional without issues when removed from the tub and given some time to dry off as the GS4A seems to require after a dunking.

People will argue semantics and go one way or the other - the fact remains the GS4A is water-resistant, not waterproof. Simple.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Thaantje:
So in your terms nothing is waterproof.. even the devices or appliances stated as waterproof..

Cause if you go deep enough everything will go leaking causing by the pressure and will f*ckup cause of the water leaking into the cases?

as said before:

IP67 states that the device is WATERPROOF for 30 minutes at a max of 1 meter dept...

I work in a aquariumstore.. where we sell electrical stuff with the rating ip67... and we can and MUST state that the devices are waterPROOF.

this is enforced by law... so in my eyes ip67 means its waterPROOF and you trying to argue about semantics can't change anything about this ;)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] pyro254750:
This was my point exactly. If it meets ip67 standards then it is a waterproof device under the conditions set by ip67. If the device fails under those conditions then it should be considered defective. Called it a water resistant device is inaccurate since it is in fact designed to be water proof.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Devo7v:
I'm not going to argue about this, but I thought I'd chime in since I've had to deal with this in the past while designing a wastewater treatment plant. To get a liquid designation of 7, the seal shall not allow the ingress of a "harmful quantity" of water at a depth of 1m for 30 minutes. This is important because some water is allowed to pass through the seal as long as it is not a "harmful quantity", so the seal is in fact not waterproof.

To get a liquid designation of 8, the seal shall not allow the ingress of any water for a continuous amount of time at a depth specified by the manufacturer. So it is true that everything will eventually leak if you go deep enough, but for a designation of 8 the manufacturer specifies the depth so it is important to check what depth it is rated at.

For a piece of equipment to be rated as waterproof it will be rated so independent of any IP ratings. The waterproof designation is given as part of a different test than the one that is done for the IP ratings.

To summarize: don't dunk your electronics in water unless you have insurance, a written guarentee from the manufacturer, or don't mind paying for a new one.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] stretched:
Are these parylene coated or just sealed?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Devo7v:
There is just a gasket in the back cover as seen here (http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/Zgky...Bn/5881af7f/5af/galaxy-s4-active-13-of-21.jpg)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] amberglatz78@gmail.com:
Water Proff

I think HTC is Water proof
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ShimaMiku:
I love Samsung's continuation of removable back covers to change out batteries and input a microSD card, but you almost have to wonder why they didn't design a phone with a non-removable back cover and thus non-replaceable battery (maybe have a special spot for a waterproof microSD card?) for the purposes of creating a waterproof/resistant phone.

That being said, I still like having a removing back that can face the elements.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Onexis:
It is better use cover waterproof, than taste strength model..
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] jot82:
The reason why I decided for an S4 Active (instead of Xperia Z or so) was mainly because I would be able to replace the battery any day I have to.

I understand that for the reason of a removable back cover I will have to take extra caution if it really sits properly on the phone before I get it in contact with water, I am okay with that, nonetheless the frustrating thing about the S4A is that the back cover plops off (partly) itself after some time in use and if you don't check every time before you could get wet you will ruin the phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] 5s4vrWeinsteindd:
As you might know, the Galaxy S4 will ship with Android 4.2 Jelly Bean. The interface is familiar to that of the Galaxy S3 so existing Samsung users will feel right at home. Other Android users shouldn't find it too hard to get used to either, since everything is located where you would expect it to be.

thats all the info i got.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] R_AL_Sim:
useless

my phone has packed in due to water damage today I was out in the rain yesterday with the phone in my pocket. The back cover was tight on there.

My pocket wasn't full of water just wet, today my phone stopped working I noticed that the lens on the front camera is misted up indicating to me that water is in the phone.

now the screen wont come on the phone works fine i can ring it and it receives text messages just no display, my only comment is useless, its such a crap bit of hardware and doesn't deserve its IP rating.

whoever tested this and gave this certification?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Tazzmanien:
Wateristance

Of course thre phone is not 100% waterisistant http://xdaforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif, The waterisistance comes from a really thin layer of coding of the print. The videos you have seen is with 100% pure water, so it can't defer any current, hence damaging the phone. Sorry for spelling. http://xdaforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Brun0ls:
i'd say it is water resistant.

Its like a cheap watch, sometimes it will resist even if you swim with it, and sometimes not...

Be careful, don't put too much trust in its waterproof!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] sz1a:
that sounds weird, I never had any problems and wash it occasionally under the tap. I do however keep the samsung protective cover on so no chance of the back cover to pop off. I would take it to samsung service and see what they say.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] slayer369:
Wow so many review saying its not good as what its must be.. thanks for the reviews lucky i didnt buy it yet :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] TwoStroker37:
Read the history of this thread, I was a firm supporter in the waterproofness of this phone and stuck to the "rules" like white on rice. I would have stood behind it with my life.

6 months of ownership, I'm on my 2nd device due to the first getting waterlogged. I was going to sell it for a Nexus 5 but I finally got it AWS unlocked for T-Mobile. SO.... SIM/AWS unlocked and "water resistant"? I'm happy. I know it's

PROBABLY NOT

going to be ruined in a rainstorm or set on a wet table. I can't say that about any other phone.

Will I ever take it underwater again? No. It won't survive and I already got my one free replacement. I don't feel like spending $100 on an insurance deductible.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] HTC HD 2.:
whether a cell phone is waterproof you should not prefer to test
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] taffhayer:
in the real world, nothing is ever waterproof......
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ShimaMiku:
That's the thing. Cyanogenmod won't work because it runs on a custom kernel. The only reason we have a AOSP version of Android 4.2 on our phones is because of the "Google Experience" version of the S4 that was released, which was designed to work with a stock Samsung kernel.

That is my understanding of the whole situation anyhow.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] TwoStroker37:
That's funny because I got a letter from Samsung with my replacement telling me they want me to use my phone to it's full potential (getting it wet).
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Chea2k:
Looks like it is (as you long as you make sure you seal it properly after taking the back off):

If you go to you tube and search for "Galaxy S 4 Active Review" you'll see it dunked in water.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] TwoStroker37:
I've dunked mine in water plenty of times. Never below 1 meter and never longer than 30 minutes. Always made sure the seals were perfect.

Still got water inside.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] propov:
Now I have Active(orange) from around a month.I wash it more than 3 times,shoot video under wather,go to bat and use it under shower and it still works fine.I had before other one(grey) and testing in water too.They have no problems too,I just sell it to get Note3.But Note 3 is super stupid fake and full of cheep and fake materials.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] TwoStroker37:
The note 3 with it's fake leather back and fake stitching is just horrible. Freaking tier 1 phone with faux material. Horrible.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] StonerGomer:
Just figured I would share my experience with the Actives water resistance.

Got this phone about 5 months ago and the 1st thing I did when I got it home was fill my kitchen sink up with water and placed the phone in the sink with the screen on. No problems there so figured i would give it a more thorough test. Later that week I took it to the pool. Had it in the water several times for extended periods(once was at least 1 hour), sometimes close to or at the 3 feet limit, and only had 1 small "problem" if you can even call it that. For a few hours after, until the phone had time to dry out completely, the phone would register devices being plugged into the audio jack randomly. Aside from that I can say that the phone certainly lives up to its water resistant claims, and could possibly exceed them. (Based off the initial claim of the phone being water resistant in up to 3 feet of water for up to 30 mins)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] mejakola:
how big is the gap?

even if it is more than a few millimeters as long as THAT particular unit isnt submerged for a long period it should be fine.... i have dropped a rugby into the river four inches deep and pulled it out quickly and took out the battery and dryed it off... make sure that there is a nice seal all the way around the back

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it looks cool at a first glance....

i did say glance right? XD
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] iblackrd:
I write from my bathtub. xD
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] TheBryGuy:
I got my first active the day they came out. About a week after I got the phone I was at the boat ramp and slipped and went down on my butt. My phone was in my pocket so it was submerged for maybe 5 seconds at 1.5 feet. I got in the boat and pulled my phone out of my pocket (thinking I was safe) and noticed fog in the LED window. The screen started screwing up and it started registering devices being plugged in. I ended up having to take the phone in to get a replacement. The ATT guy said that Samsung was allowing one replacement due to a bad batch of phones that went out. Since this experience I've kept my phone out of the water. I work construction so it's nice to have it on rainy days but I have no intentions on taking it for a dip in the pool anytime soon. I have to pay for the next replacement phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] captaincado:
Hi, does anybody know if AT&T is still honoring their 1 time replacement for water damaged S4 Actives? Dropped in toilet (after flushing, lol), now acting all weird, I have it in a bag of rice to dry it out...I'll find out if it works right in a couple of days. Tried Google, but couldn't find anything recent.

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] muiacir:
Hi guys

The topic is 25 pages

But....what is the right answer?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] rcsiccion:
I always use mine in the shower. No problem with mine. Some people have faulty unit or some just dont know or forgot to seal the phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] боиззана:
I threw my phone to the bucket of water, i spoke while taking shower to 4 times, washed with soap. But no damage to my phone.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Halwer:
Waterproof?

Hi!

Yes, the Samsung Galaxy S4 is really waterproof ,but only in certain conditions! For example: If You drop it into the toilet accidentally the phone won't get "hurt". But if You throw it into the bath with froce there's a chance to get the mobile wet! :D In this respect the Xperia Z is more reliable.

There's one picture from the waterproof back cover of the phone! :D

Link: http://ukm.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/...Galaxy-S4-Active-Hands-On-Back-Cover-Open.jpg

I hope I could help You! :D
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Abaddon:
in short it is. but resistant only not proof. and it really depends on what you do how you do it. just take care of your phone :)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Miami_Son:
Might want to read my tale of water resistancy. Here it is 5 months later and still working fine.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2510961
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ewa12321:
Mine still has no problems with water. 6 months old washing it almost every day and using it as bathroom radio. Quite a lot of time it was swimming in sink and bathtub filled with water and soap because I accidentally thrown it there.

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] rcsiccion:
Wow. I was thinking i was the lucky one with my phone without defect. Looks like its not all problem with the s4 active. Congrats to you guys those who have working s4 active. The only problem is the usb flap. I think in time i have to replace them.

Cheers!
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] MINIz guy:
I'd like to post my most recent experience (17 February, 2014) with getting an exchange.

I threw my phone in the sink with the water running to rinse it off. It had drinks spilled on it. I also have a Case Mate Hula bumper case, if that matters at all. It worked all of the next day, although the cameras were full of water and the screen was water damaged too. Two days later, it died with a deal Android guy on the screen.

I took it to the AT&T store and asked them what was wrong. They said water had gotten into my battery compartment. However, AT&T would do a 1 time replacement for liquid damage still. I had gotten my phone back in August 2013, and the deal was still available February 2014. I'm getting a new phone sent to me, supposedly the full kit, and I have to send my old one with battery back.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dibeachdude:
That is pretty funny, but the answer to this question has been provided by the countless users in this forum. Is it waterproof? Kind of, sometimes, maybe some, but not all. My USB seal is broken. So, I am certainly not going to test my phone, but then again, I never deliberately put it to the test. The phone is water RESISTANT when all of the covers are working properly. I never believe commercials or salespeople anyway. I was just glad that I didn't need to buy a bulky OtterBox case to give me a little protection.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] rcsiccion:
That is your opinion. Im using mine to swim and snorkeling since its 1st release and no problem.

But im not dumb enough to use in swimming pool, im just rich enough to do it. So dont tell everyone here who use their phone on their own personal way and say that they dont deserve their phone because you just said so? That is not right.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Miami_Son:
Proud to give you your first Thanks.;)
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dibeachdude:
There is a certain entertainment value to this thread.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Stryke_the_Orc:
Thread cleaned. Keep things respectful here folks.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] TwoStroker37:
Well, time for my 3rd warranty replacement!!! I'm getting quite good at this process.

Just took my new warranty replacement in the ocean (Miami). Never going below 2ft of water and never in the water for longer than 15 minutes total.

Back button doesn't work anymore. Very quirky in the UI. Wouldn't charge yesterday but today it will.

Darn it, I give up. I'm pretty sure Samsung has a pile of phones with my address on it for when I call in every month or two.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ewa12321:
I think in manual it says dont use in salt water only fresh clean water without other chemical stuff. In EVERY "water proof^ phone manual it says so. There is no true waterproof smartphobes they are water resistant. They can surviwe rain, splashes of water, shower but not swimming in pools, coca cola, beer, ocean or sea.

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[Galaxy S 4 Active General] TwoStroker37:
It's rated for 1 meter at 30 minutes. What are you supposed to do with it otherwise? The letter I got from Samsung with the last replacement told me to enjoy it's full capabilities, I can scan it in.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ewa12321:
But you didnt read manual. Almost no one does. S4A manual

Sony Xperia Compact same as z1 z2 manual much better water resistance explained

They dont say that you can swim/dive with it. I cant delete pic below this sentence.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] muiacir:
thanks to all people

i read so many posts but now i have a question

can i use my galaxy s4 active to go to the swimming pool , for only one minutes , i put it in the 30cm height of water and capture image from me and my friend under water?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dibeachdude:
Sure you can, as long as the phone is 30cm above the surface of the water and not below it. On second thought, you should probably drain the pool just to be safe.

Seriously it should be safe as long as you make sure that all of the seals are closed properly.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] :
THANK YOU. They can survive all of these things, but that doesn't mean that they're expected to. Sometimes people just get lucky.

Best post in this thread thus far. You shouldn't even have to read the manual, it's common sense.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] muiacir:
1-so you said i can put the phone in the water(30cm below) and capture image?

2 - how to make sure that all the seals were closef properly?

3 - Many pools in my city have claire in their water , is it dangerous for phone?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] dibeachdude:
I love sarcasm, but occasionally, I am too WTFed to muster an appropriate amount of verbal torture. Two posts above this one, someone mentioned reading the manual. Please Google "RTFM".
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] :
Yes.

By following the instructions. Push everything together securely...

I don't know, does Claire like you taking pictures of her?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] muiacir:
1 - The 7 number in ip7 means that the phone could be in 1m height under clean water for 30min

But my question is 1m from the bottom of the water or 1m from the uper surface of water?

Take a look at the picture below and tell me which one is true?

http://upload7.ir/viewer.php?file=86623604670085704387.png

2 - is the temperature of the water important?

3 - can we use our s4 active in chlorinated swimming pool?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Devo7v:
It's 1 meter from the water surface since the seal is dependent on the water pressure around it. If it were 1 meter from the bottom you could theoretically take it to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, but the phone would be crushed by the weight of the water long before you made it to the bottom.

Temperature is irrelevant unless its boiling or frozen for obvious reasons.

Chlorinated water should be fine. The phone is rated for 30 minutes in water, so you'll exceed 30 minutes long before any damage happens to the phone due to chlorine. If you're taking it in the pool, you shouldn't have any problems.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] koensmelt:
Seal your box!

It's clear that the phone is waterresistant, not waterproof.

Still, I wanted to make photo's underwater. So i looked for waterproof cases, but only found several special cases for the normal s4.

But you can use the Krusell SEaLABox! De 3XL (XXXL) version fits perfectly! The inner dimentions are: 139 x 76 x 16 mm. The height of te S4A is a bit higher 142 mm and the S4A is mostly not mentioned in compatible devices, but it fits perfectly:D

I tested the seal a box already several times. It had the same IPX7 qualification, but i know for sure I can trust the Krusell!