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[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
Omfg, thank you for this awesome comparison between cameras.IP4 it's clearly a winner here,overall the picture quality is no match for XL.Shame, because Iphone's camera is made by SONY.It seems that the problem is the ****ty software used because i can't see other reasons.I hope in 4.3 release they will solve it, if not i will sell it and buy an IP4S or an Xperia T or lumia 920.
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
The iPhone 4 sensor is actually made by Onivision, the iPhone 4S has a Sony sensor, so will be even better than this.

I think the phone, sensor (Exmor-RS) is really good. Most likely the same used in an iPhone 5S. So much potential, the iPhone 5S takes amazing photos. Xperia L? It should. But can't even beat an iPhone 4.

Have a look on my blog at the other photos. Detail wise it's not even close the iPhone 4 in 8MP mode, which is just ridiculous and it's in bright sunlight too.

---------- Post added at 05:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:17 PM ----------

Look at the car on both the iPhone 4 and Xperia L photos on my blog. Open the photos (so you get the full size) and zoom in to the car. The clarity and focus of the car on the iPhone 4 is so superior to the Xperia L it's crazy.
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
Look at the car on both the iPhone 4 and Xperia L photos on my blog. Open the photos (so you get the full size) and zoom in to the car. The clarity and focus of the car on the iPhone 4 is so superior to the Xperia L it's crazy.[/QUOTE]

Yea, it's too damn crazy the detail differences between these 2 smartphones, even if one of them is newer and it's supposed to be better at least at camera quality...A big letdown.I am kinda sorry now that i buyed this **** phone and i didn't buyed an Lumia 920 or an IP4S.My ex phone was an Xperia P, which i bricked it and its dead for good.I miss it as it was a good phone.I hoped that with Xperia L, it could take it's place but it seems not.
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
What would be interesting is if someone could compare the Xperia L to another Xperia 2013/2014 model that has the 8MP sensor. Wonder how it compares to the Z1 or M?
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
I heard that also the SP has the same camera problems, even worse.About the comparation i think it would be an VGA camera compared to a professional one :D

Oh and it seems M its better then L and SP in camera performance.
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Xperia L vs M and iPhone 4 (you can compare to SP, 4S, 5S too)

http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5497&idPhone2=3275&idPhone3=5363

Xperia L vs Z2 vs iPhone 4

- scale down to 5MP (so they are all the same size)

- goto the greyscale photo and click the boat, the iPhone 4 is more detailed than the Z2. OMG

- I think the iPhone 4 has a really good Lens or the algorithms are really damn good

http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=6144&idPhone2=3275&idPhone3=5363
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
I think if we continue comparing them we will find even more shocking results...It seems that the new smartphone cameras are getting lower quality in comparation with the old smartphone cameras.I dont know if those pics are real but if they are real then SONY really has a big problem with the cameras on its smartphones.I compared also Xperia S and Acro S and they are the only ones that match the IP4 quality, also the nokia lumia 1520.But its too damn expensive the last one.
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
Here are 2 shots made with jellybean 4.1.2 build 15.0.A.1.36 and jellybean 4.2.2 build 15.3.A.1.17 stock settings 8M each in low light conditions.As we can see that the first version of jellybean 4.1.2 is much better then the latest release.And SONY stated that in JB 4.2.2 the camera has improved a lot, which is obviously opposite, in fact it's even worse and SONY is lying us on face.I promise this is my last SONY smartphone and last android device.I will switch to WP8 device like lumia 920.

First pic JB 4.1.2 second JB 4.2.2
[Sony Xperia L] andreicobey:
I really cannot see why the first picture is any better than the second one. There is obviously less noise (debatable, but look at that dark area on the left and the silver area of the keyboard on the bottom right) than the second one. You could also see the darker areas more clearly on the second picture (apparent with the black wire running through the area between the keyboard and the laptop). The second picture, although a bit more blurry, is also brighter compared to the first one. Cleaning up the picture

I am assuming you shot this in auto mode? Why not try lowering the ISO in both pictures?
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
The first picture is more detailed then second one.Just zoom in and u will see difference, look how blurried and bad focused is the second one,also lack of detail, first shot is miles better then second.Second i did take both shots in auto mode just changed rezolution to 8M as default the camera is set to 5M rez.And in daylight,in landscape mode the difference is even more distinguished between these two firmwares.
[Sony Xperia L] amnher:
I agree with it. I have been reviewing the quality of both ever since. And I can say that 15.0.A.1.36 is the last firmware which has the best quality... 15.0.A.2.17 got worst by decreasing the sharpness... It got even worst when 4.2.2 came... Even on manual mode, there is no way it can compete with the quality of 15.0.A.1.36... Not to mention the bugs of 4.2.2 camera like wrong thumbnail... It seems on 4.2.2 they applied noise compression that causes the image to look like hazy at times on flash or looks like an oil on the pictures...

If onyy 15.0.A.1.36 has no SD card issues with 16GB class 10, I will stay with it. My pictures got rainbow lines after a while whenever I take a picture. Music copied from PC goes mixed up with other MP3. Like it goes remixes by itself while on 15.0.A.1.36
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
Now i tried an even older firmware version:15.0.A.1.31 i think this is the first firmware version when Xperia L was launched.And guess what:the photo quality is even better, at least now the focus problems it's fixed and also the quality of shots increased, so i would recommend to try it too and see the difference between 15.0.A.1.31 and .36 build.Others are not worthy to mention them as they are crap.Here is a good link to download it if u want to try it :https://yadi.sk/d/COMEoeeqD2KbG
[Sony Xperia L] faizalotai:
Here are some comparison between samsung s II 4.1.2 and our 16fw

about the focusing issue, yes you're right honglong bro

The left side is our stock pictures
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
So the last 2 pictures are from a Samsung galaxy S2 taken?And the first 2 pics what firmware u used on Xperia L.
[Sony Xperia L] faizalotai:
Yes, 16fw
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
What 16fw.
[Sony Xperia L] faizalotai:
4.2.2 16fw Orange Version
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
Oh, that explains it.Why don't use an original firmware in which the operators don't stick their nose?Like 15.3.A.1.17 FW
[Sony Xperia L] faizalotai:
Already tried it and there are no different,beside 17fw have proximity bug so i stick with this fw
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
Ok;) Samsung Galaxy SII it seems is better but i think that 15.0.A.1.36 FW from our phone will beat it.And this is also 4.1.2 firmware.
[Sony Xperia L] faizalotai:
Yup, 4.1.2 for samsung..yes the best fw for our camera is 36fw..

Pity for us that sony give updates with poor camera than the previous one..
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
I think they are doin this because now Xperia L camera is better then SP and it could be a reason for this.I don't think in future updates the camera will improve more then fw36.But will see in 4.3 or 4.4 update for xperia L.
[Sony Xperia L] noetrejo:
Xperia L Google Camera ciber shot xpo se ed

Enviado desde mi C2105 usando Tapatalk 2
[Sony Xperia L] prongsky:
.17fw, total darkness. Normal, wb auto, exposure 0.7
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
Wow, excellent shot.So u use google camera+cyber shot mod?And what other settings u use.
[Sony Xperia L] prongsky:
Nope. Stock fw and camera.
[Sony Xperia L] noetrejo:
not only those
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Just done another comparison.

Xperia L stock camera versus Nexus Kit Kat camera (and including the iPhone 4 for comparison)

http://honglong1976.wordpress.com/2014/05/27/xperia-l-versus-nexus-kitkat-camera/

What do you think? which is better?
[Sony Xperia L] DeusEx211:
I think Nexus KitKat camera kinda improved Xperia L focus.It's a bit better with it.
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Here's how I would rate them:

White Balance - iPhone/Stock Camera/Kit Kat Camera (Too warm)

Focus - iPhone/KitKat Camera/Stock Camera

Detail - KitKat Camera/iPhone/Stock Camera (far too washed out, loosing detail)

And with the nexus camera, once you focus, it takes the shot without refocusing. So proof Sony's camera s/w sucks!

I think the detail is too much on the iPhone 4 (is it the sensor or algorithm?) The detail on the Nexus camera is pretty much spot on, but focus/white balance no where near as good as the iPhone.

I would love to see a comparison against an iPhone 4S or even one of the older Xperia's. X10, X10 Mini for example.
[Sony Xperia L] Bolonjez:
Shot with stock cam, stock ROM, just added lens

This one is just to big to show here so click on link to see

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/149/a/3/a_little_drop_by_theblack4-d7k6um2.png

Made with help of this --> http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2...hots_with_your_phone_by_theblack4-d7k6roi.jpg <--
[Sony Xperia L] Noomaan:
Is that....... An iris?
[Sony Xperia L] Bolonjez:
Yap, my eye :)
[Sony Xperia L] frothe3:
Here is mine from last week. Also from New York City.
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
I have added another comparison, this time the Xperia L versus a 5th Gen iPod Touch and an iPhone 4.

What do you think?

http://honglong1976.wordpress.com/2014/06/04/apple-iphone-4-versus-ipod-touch-5th-gen-vs-sony-xperia-l/
[Sony Xperia L] MartLP:
Hi everyone! I'm totally new around here so this is my first post ever. All i have to say about Xperia L camera is WOW. I love it so bad and, in my opinion, camera quality has improved a lot from the first compil i had (.31) to the newest one.

I'm gonna post a couple of pics. Hope you like 'em
[Sony Xperia L] Shivam Kuchhal:
These are one of the best shots I have seen from the camera of Xperia L. Really awesome shots mate. :good: :D
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Really nice photos!

I find it takes a while to take a decent photo due to the focusing which is just bonkers! I wish Sony would update the Camera or to 4.3 like the M.

Does your sports mode work?
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Just updated my blog with low light shots comparing the Xperia L to the iPhone 4.

Can you guess which is the Xperia L?

Link to my blog

http://honglong1976.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/iphone-4-versus-xperia-l/
[Sony Xperia L] itsjustJOH:
[MENTION=5892616]MartLP[/MENTION] Those are really nice shots!
[Sony Xperia L] prongsky:
Kinda a noob question here... But how do we manually set macro mode? It just shows up in auto, is there any way to enable it? Stock cam here.
[Sony Xperia L] itsjustJOH:
Nope. It's not in the scene mode, which is kinda stupid that they didn't include it.
[Sony Xperia L] MartLP:
Glad you like them!

The focusing isn't good, specially when trying to focus on little things, it takes a couple of tries to get the right focus but tbh i never had those big problems focusing (luck maybe). Never tried sports mode so i can't say anything about it but i'll try it!
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
I have been using the Xperia L to take photos at the weekend.

Sat - I went to a activity day with my son and wife. Some photos were great, but the actually photos I wanted were awful and really wish I took my iPhone. Over exposed, blurry, washed out.

I thought this phone cannot be this useless? Well, after playing around the problem is the iAuto mode. It's useless. The face detection is terrible, as soon as it picks a face it over exposes the face and image. Also the sports mode just doesn't work, it uses a long shutter time. A bug for sure.

Sun - I walked around the local park using these settings:

Set to Manual

- Focus - single auto focus

- Metering - Center

- Image Stabilization - Off

Photos had detail, faces weren't over exposed and the camera focused quicker and more accurately.

I think the problem is the software is too clever and tries to do too much but just fails at everything. Set to Manual and it's a decent camera (but still detail wise, not a patch on the iPhone 4) but at least it's usable now.

(photos coming soon!)
[Sony Xperia L] Captain_Hungary:
Yep, that's right, I think noise reduction is a lot more agressive in auto mode than it should be.

If I use Manual mode in darker places there is a lot of noise (small dots) in the pictures, while in auto mode i've never seen it. That's all right.

But i dont know why does auto mode try to remove non existent noise from pictures taken in bright places. It makes the image look like as if it was taken with a 3mp camera.

Conclusion:

-auto mode: more colourful, less detail, so might be better in the dark

-Manual mode: more detail,but more noise+ dimmer colours in dark, so better at daytime

+hdr mode is also good in the dark, but sometimes images have a lot of noise, while usually they don't. I dunno why :confused:
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
I think the problem is there is too much processing happening causing the camera to lag, along with the focus. I found white balance/colors are actually better using manual mode.

Quick test for you. Look for a bright window (not too bright, but light) use auto mode, point at the window and it over exposes the shot making the windows and surround area white. Use manual and this doesn't happen.

The iAuto mode is just awful. Is the Xperia M ported cam any better?
[Sony Xperia L] itsjustJOH:
I agree. Auto gives cleaner shots, but with less detail and sometimes wrong exposure. Manual mode seems to get the exposure right and more detail, but with more noise. The scene mode also seems as good as the manual mode when it comes to detail. Here's an example:

Auto:

Manual, EV too low:

Manual, proper EV:

HDR:

Night mode:

Fireworks:

The manual with proper EV and surprisingly the HDR photo are the best, with the HDR photo cleaner. Auto is cleanest but overexposed and least detail. Night mode is like auto, but with more noise and a bit dimmer. Fireworks looks good but white balance is off.
[Sony Xperia L] nakulp:
UnF***INGbelievable!! Are they for real? What settings? What ROM? Which cam app? :eek:
[Sony Xperia L] MartLP:
Glad you like them, mate!

I'll answer your questions:

1- Yes

2- Auto mode most of them

3- Stock

4- Stock
[Sony Xperia L] prongsky:
Dang... Them shots! You actually did this in stock?
[Sony Xperia L] MartLP:
Lol yep. I suggest everyone to try different kinds of setup before taking pics and take some time to add some edition on 'em. I'm gonna post a couple more pics with more info for you guys.

Edit: Edited curves with native Sony editor, then Snapseed then Aviary. Auto Mode.

Edit: Curves with Sony editor, Snapseed + Aviary. Auto mode.

Edit: Curves with Sony, Snapseed + Aviary. Auto mode.

Edit: A little touch on Aviary. Normal mode, HDR enabled. +0.3 ev

I took this last one a couple hours ago. It's not that great but it just shows the kind of stuff you can do with XL camera.

Edit: Aviary. Normal mode, ISO 100. I know it makes everything laggy but that's because at that ISO the camera needs long exposures to receive enough light and that's why the car lights are showing like that.

Have fun boys!
[Sony Xperia L] prongsky:
Here are some of mine at different times and settings. Too bad we didnt get Superior Auto like were supposed too.

Sent using Sony Xperia L
[Sony Xperia L] itsjustJOH:
[MENTION=5892616]MartLP[/MENTION] Dude those are really nice shots! Amazing what you can do with your XL!
[Sony Xperia L] gersbandeira:
No HDR/No Filters

Everything auto

Flash enabled

Dark room

Stock 1.14

(Original file: 2mb)
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
How to take decent photos with the Xperia L

http://honglong1976.wordpress.com/2014/06/13/how-to-take-great-photos-with-the-sony-xperia-l/
[Sony Xperia L] amnher:
Actually those shots looks like came from the best firmware of XL in terms of camera. If only theres no micro SD bug detection problem on 16gb class 10 it would be the best. 15.0.A.1.31 and 15.0.A.1.36 are both 4.1.2 and they are the best in terms of image quality
[Sony Xperia L] gersbandeira:
I'm not using stock rom/cam anymore, but it may be usefull, thanks!
[Sony Xperia L] MartLP:
That is half true. All the shots i uploaded were made with the latest firmware on the phone(.14 and .17). I bought my phone with the 15.0.A.1.31 on it and all i can say is camera quality has increased from that first compilation to the newest one.
[Sony Xperia L] maadsalman:
I got Error! Camera not Available! :D

maybe I'll share a shot here if i can fix it :crying:
[Sony Xperia L] Captain_Hungary:
After some 3rd party camera apps i also had this bug, but a reboot always solved it :)

If it doesn't, clear data of every camera apps yoou have and reboot again.
[Sony Xperia L] maadsalman:
I did that and also I did a factory reset and software repair using SUS, but still have this issue :crying:

p.s I'm on last fw .17
[Sony Xperia L] Captain_Hungary:
Is your bootloader unlocked? If not take it to the repair center, if it is then try to completely reinstall the system with flashtool or flash any custom rom. But I'm afraid it's a hardware failure :(

P.s: you can still reflash stock rom with flashtool even if it's locked only custom roms won't work.
[Sony Xperia L] maadsalman:
My bootloader is locked, But the problem is that we do not have official Sony store here in Syria :(

So, I think i will reflash another rom as you say , I think if this rom, it looks awesome:

http://xdaforums.com/xperia-l/development/rom-revolution-hd-t2774861

I hope it works :)
[Sony Xperia L] Captain_Hungary:
Yepp, it's an engine rom for fxp, so you have to unlock your bootloader to flash fxp first. But do it only if you don't need gps, and if you don't mind a bit more disortion from speaker. (In call and music). Unfortunatly it still has these bugs. :(

But I hope devs fill fix them soon.
[Sony Xperia L] Soniakos:
Wysłane z mojego Xperia L przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Manual Mode - No Editing - Cloudy day - 16:9

Link to my website to view all the photos:

http://honglong1976.wordpress.com/2014/06/25/xperia-l-manual-mode-test/
[Sony Xperia L] NG3000:
I have carbon rom installed so will there be any difference in quality of picture without using stock camera ?
[Sony Xperia L] ZoleeX:
more
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Take a photo with stock ROM.

Take a photo with Carbon ROM.

Is there a difference?

Sounds obviously, but that's the only way to tell.
[Sony Xperia L] itsjustJOH:
I saw photos taken by a user with an Xperia M, and it did very good with almost noise-less pictures. The user said it was because of the latest 4.3 update. Damn Sony, the Xperia L has a better camera sensor but the software is just a big letdown.
[Sony Xperia L] RabbiShe:
Really great quality photos, i would thought they were taken by a standalone camera.

I read all over the net what a piece of .. camera on the XL is, but i don't know where they are getting that.
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Thanks, RabbiShe.

It is a good camera sensor, very good. The auto mode is useless. It's only useful for Macro's. For everything else. Use Manual (settings in a previous post) and it's more responsive and takes decent photos. Even cloudy. The software is just terrible.
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Can anyone do a comparison Xperia L 4.2.2 versus Xperia M 4.3 ?
[Sony Xperia L] mmaattee90:
goat:cowboy:
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Nice! :)
[Sony Xperia L] radomirek76:
Focus on the diversity of the movement of clouds

Sony XL series of 150 images taken by a subsequently executed resize and then everything connected to the video.

Clouds video

Second video is 770 images Clouds2 video
[Sony Xperia L] faizalotai:
Still with 4.2.2

Snap Cam

[IMG="http://i.imgur.com/q2qkN4x.jpg"]http://i.imgur.com/q2qkN4x.jpg[/IMG]
[Sony Xperia L] itsjustJOH:
ISO 100, spot metering, forgot EV though. WB is a bit off, it's not auto but I chose the wrong WB setting.
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Nice photo. I find using manual settings always produces the best photos.
[Sony Xperia L] itsjustJOH:
Thanks! Auto is fine as long as there is strong light and if you're not trying to be creative with a shot like quick snaps. The manual settings are very good if you know how to use it to produce a good shot.
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
Auto is just awful. Over exposes everything, blurs everything and well, it's just awful.

Manual is not perfect but produces better results.

Tip: If you take photos of your son/daughter who keeps moving about causing blur try increasing the ISO to 800 to produce less blur in normal light (shutter speed is increased) :) (Using EXIF viewer the ISO goes above 2000 sometimes, if this could be set manually, you'd hardly have any blur at all, but sacrifice quality).

If you want to take a photo at night of a moving car to get a light trail effect, use ISO 100 :)

Sports mode doesn't seem to work. The shutter is slower.
[Sony Xperia L] Lazynestor:
Took pic by using cyber shot!!!
[Sony Xperia L] RabbiShe:
What settings did you use?
[Sony Xperia L] WKhawam:
:D

:D:D
[Sony Xperia L] honglong:
he he Very nice photo!
[Sony Xperia L] Captain_Hungary:
As kk roms are getting better, only one thing kept me on stock untill now, the camera.

I've tested many roms and all the kernels but images were blurry and noisy in all, but now I found a way to overcome this :)

So here are my settings:

-Rom: Slimkat (no crashes, rock stable)

-Kernel: Phantom (gpu + cpu uv, great performance)

-Cpu gov.: ondemand (default)

-Cpu max freq.: 1 ghz

-I/O scheduler: fiops

-camera app: Snap camera (paid, but totally worth it, stock has max file size of 7-8 Kb - so terrible quality + no stable shot option)

-contrast: 5

-saturation:6

-sharpness: 1

-auto scene mode: enabled

-stable shot: enabled (this is quiet important since unfortunetly shutter speed is low)

-focus: continous

With these settings image quality is almost as good as on stock. But as I mentioned shutter speed is low, so moving objects are not the best targets and I haven't found any workaround for the video low fps bug in dark.

Hope I helped you guys :)

Ps.: I'll try to upload some sample shots soon (depends on bandwith)
[Sony Xperia L] Captain_Hungary:
So, here are the pictures from kk with the settings I mentioned above (seems like this f-ing xda app has compressed them, original file sizes were 3 Mb+. If the quality is not similar to the original, i'll upload it somewhere else, and link them here later)

Link to the original pictures added to the bottom of the post! ;)

1. Cloudy day, but good light conditions.

2. Same here...

3. Dark, Indoor, lamp + lights on, flash off

4. Same from further

5. Dark, indoor, lamp + lights off, flash on

6. Dark, indoor, lights on, flash off

7. Outside about half hour after sunset

You can now check out the original (full resolution) images HERE
[Sony Xperia L] faizalotai:
There is a solution for video recording since you're using 3rd camera app like i do..

Lower the exposure to minus one,then you can play a bit with brightness,contrast and saturation..
[Sony Xperia L] Captain_Hungary:
That's true, but if I lower the exposure hardly anything can be seen on the video, since this bug only presents in low light. :(
[Sony Xperia L] prongsky:
.17 stock. Scn auto.

Sent using Sony Xperia L
[Sony Xperia L] prongsky:
Please delete my post b4 this. Lol

Use stock .17 fw, stock cam, scn auto.

Sent using Sony Xperia L
[Sony Xperia L] vuk030:
That is incorrect. Its the camera what was most improved compared to 4.1.2.

4.2.2 is far,far better!
[Sony Xperia L] eymentuna:
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:laugh:
[Sony Xperia L] :
Hahaha, yes, I am pretty sure I don't have another phone! :p

Thanks, btw.
[Sony Xperia L] Shivam Kuchhal:
HDR on.
[Sony Xperia L] Shivam Kuchhal:
Some more.
[Sony Xperia L] Shivam Kuchhal:
One more. :p
[Sony Xperia L] Shivam Kuchhal:
WOW!
[Sony Xperia L] Majorbafe:
During a walk in a Zoo.

Camera with auto settings.
[Sony Xperia L] DeviousFusion:
Here some of my shots..!