yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] azvlean:
Thanks, I just discovered this ROM and its really great ! Fast and smooth, one of the best I flashed ! Great job ! :thumbup:

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Almin94:
Is that Jelly bean extreme better than original v20f?

btw v20f work perfectly. Is there any way to move cpu frequency to 1305MHz without apps? all default from v20f and only cpu freq goes up to 1300MHz ? Thanks :)

and is there jelly bean extreme for p705? :)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
;)

Jb extreme : Same kernel but full relooking (lockscreen,statubar,contrast,color,transparancy,all black...etc..) =>all are very nice !!! I love !

And for optimisations,only szymel0 can answer exactly if it'the same with his V20f.

This rom have the "black"play-store ! Marvelous ! I love ! :p

( i believe that it is multi-DPI)

Rom very lighten (i lighten much myself : on titanium with "rom system" i have 230 Mo free ! )

On RAM ,I have 180/170/160 max AND 120/110 Min "free"

good multitask

too hard to do better fast and smooth .

Internet is very very fast !

....and it's a stock rom ! ==>she have FM-radio !!!! :D

This rom is a total succesfull for L7 !
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
n the fast publish an update v20H, I used a completely new optimization methods, introduced a lot of changes to the Original v20H. Volunteers can test. ;)

V20H_P700_signed_012714_141039

Clock with android version 4.2

Lockscreen Optimus G

Sounds Lockscreen Optimus G

theme support

Added theme KitKat

Added wallpaper with Jelly Beam Mini

And Other: D
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
our friend szymel0 ! ;)

:eek: woOow !!! very hard choise ...

i love JB Extreme look ... and this V20H version tempt me ...hard ! :silly:
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] toske81:
This rom from link you post is the same as rom from this thread?

Послато са LG-P700 користећи Тапаток 2
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
;)

no !

original thread on szymel's forum : http://forum.android.com.pl/f759/jelly-bean-extreme-4-1-2-a-342050/

and this thread here on XDA is this one => http://forum.android.com.pl/f759/soft-v20f-zip-v20e-zip-v20d-zip-android-4-1-2-by-szymel-308268/
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] toske81:
Ok. One more thing, after installation ROM do I need anything else to set? My poland is very bad:(

Послато са LG-P700 користећи Тапаток 2
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
no ! just flash ...and enjoy !

you have just to install "no-frills" ( for example ) for to change governor (with min/max frequencies) and scheduler i/o ... and with the app "universal init.d" ,if you want ,you can enable tweaks ( not an obligation , there are others good optimisations on build.prop )

if you have question ,don't hesitate ! ;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] toske81:
Do you have any advice that adjustment, set in "no frills"
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Lukijs:
Ehhh, it really depends on what you need performace,battery or balance. For performance use performance governor and around 245 -1200mhz, for battery, smartassh3 125-1008, for balance smartassv2 245-1008(or 1100)

Also set all animation scale in developer settings to 0.5
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
;)

yes !

and i think ( my "own" opinion ,just a simply opinion ) that smartassV2 with 245 min 1008 ( or 1037 or 1056 ) are a good alternative with "noop" ( or "deadline" maybe more performant for i/o requests ) => good performance and no suck lot of baterry .

the only problem with KIMHO Kernel is there are not BFQ,ROW,VR and FIOPS governor ... and not updated (it's better to give to users the choise ! )
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] goxymaster:
What is new in v20H? :)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] vaikz:
is this for 705? Yeah I've been using that ever since he posted it. But for stock Rom, I didn't flash. Just for reference, stock Rom's filenames is different from cm.

Wow :eek: [MENTION=5207476]szymel0[/MENTION] jelly bean extreme version please.... :thumbup:

sent from my p705g - v20f jellybean extreme w/ stock kernel
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
no ,KIMHO ( integrated on EVERY szymel's roms ) is for P700 only ...... but you can try this one => http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=49708325&postcount=48 ( and try if wifi work ! )

you have deep-sleep with this kernel and your P705 ???

...if this V20H "test" work fine ,and if lot of peoples love "JB EXTREME" look ,i think that szymel0 will update this wonderful "extreme" ! :p
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Almin94:
When it will be available for P705?
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
;)

if you don't want to wait :p

you flash this rom ,reboot and then see here => http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2549377 and reboot .

verify with the app "cpu spy" (play-store) if it go to deep-sleep ! :D
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] dkdkdk07:
Or maybe u can flash the stock kernel for p705, i dont know where exactly the link is.. Ask vaikz maybe he can help u.. V20H looks awesome.. :beer:

Sent from my LG-P705
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Update :)

Version with Dark Gapps

V20h_P700_Dark_Gapps_signed_012914_115904
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Almin94:
Thanks man!!

Can I install these roms V20H on my P705 or wait for P705 version? :)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] goxymaster:
Nice work :) Can you make transparent statusbar for v20H? I try some guides but noyhing...only i create is bootloop :(
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
thank ! :p

it have beatiful black statubar-powerbuttons-notification .... like your JB EXTREME ?
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] vaikz:
Just follow this if you want Tyo use it in your 705: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=49532602

sent from my p705g - v20f jellybean extreme w/ stock kernel
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] dkdkdk07:
[MENTION=5207476]szymel0[/MENTION] does it have OC.kernel? If.it has,is it possible to extract it into a separate flashable zip? Thanks

Sent from my LG-P705

---------- Post added at 12:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:39 PM ----------

Correct! To p705 users, to achieve deepsleep follow UP instructions.. and everything will flow.. I'm using it now and its good! I just wish we have a custom kernel but stock is still fine.

Sent from my LG-P705
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] azvlean:
Yes, it has OC and you can extract it. You can backup the kernel using Flashify for example.

Phone : LG P-700 running Jellybean Extreme by Szymel0.

Tablet : Asus Nexus 7 stock rooted with Glitch Kernel.
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] vaikz:
Does deepsleep working now?

sent from my p705g - v20f jellybean extreme w/ stock kernel
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
hi friends ! ;)

there are one thing i don't understand for P 705 users :

In theory ,no problem by installing P700's roms (no FC,bootloop ...)because the same phone...but

just

deep-sleep due to NFC => that's known we have talked a lot on previous posts and others threads too .

Our friend -CALIBAN666- have made this solution => http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2549377 ( very known now too by ourself )

=> where is the problem ? the NFC destroyer don't remove it completely ?

it's a pity to deprive itself to "KIMHO kernel O/C" by installing "stock P705" in case ...

I really hope that there are a future "Phenom stock kernel O/C" for to give a big boost again to szymel's roms ! :D
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] dkdkdk07:
The thing about P705 is.. sure we can use P700 built ROMS and destroy NFC apk and files in it.. but deepsleep will still not work.. because in the kernel (which is built for p700) NFC is ON by default.. thats why we need to flash a P705 kernel to achieve a real good night sleep..;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] vaikz:
+1, additional info.

In P700 kernel, Nfc is activated by default, that's why we need a specific kernel for P705 where nfc is not activated.

[MENTION=5407962]Loulou-13[/MENTION] nfc remover is just one of the steps to achieve deepsleep after the kernel.

sent from my p705g - v20f jellybean extreme w/ stock kernel
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] dkdkdk07:
correction: kernel has no OC..:( but there are more governor and scheduler options than the stock! :good: deepsleep works and im using v20H..
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
;)

ha ... ok !

maybe ...after apk ,libs.... it need to destroy the driver too ???
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Almin94:
V20H

How much is better Szymel's rom V20H than his V20F? Thanks.

And what is difference between kernels included in this Szymels roms and Stock Kernel for P705?

THANKS!
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] lucianofontao:
Friend Szymel,

Anyway to add pt-br language official to rom?

Thanks in advance

:cyclops:
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Lukijs:
Open that app where you could download addition apps, it was called fapplication manager or something like that, and you should be able to download Locale app from it which contains more languages.
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
szymel ;)

Your last v20h with dark gapps have the full look of your JB EXTREME ???

And gapps is multi-DPI ???

:p
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
@up

No, its only multi dpi minimal dark gapps.

Jelly bean extreme i test 3 days and i maybe share today ;)

Wysłane z mojego LG-P700 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
thank friend ! ;)

sorry ,i disturb you with that , it's because i fall in love with this look ! you have done an excellent style work ! :p
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Maybe someone will test first release Version over V20H ;)

Jelly_Bean_Extreme_P700_signed_013114_140922

Synchro
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
YES !!!! thank again ... :D ;)

you recomend a "clean" instal ? or just a wipe cache and dalvilk is enought ? ... just for not to loose all parameters and apps (without backup all of them )
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
This is new version and i recomend clean install. ;)

Wysłane z mojego LG-P700 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
;)

ok ! :p

backup with Titanium ... and wait the end of synchro ! :D

---------- Post added at 06:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:19 PM ----------

:eek::eek::eek: google with his "google drive" is loooooooooong !!!!!! :eek:

......... i'm excited !!! :angel:
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] lokopol:
if you do not want to reinstall applications one to one

I recommend this application.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scd.app2zip&hl=es

creates a zip file with all applications

and can flash from recovery

sorry for my english : O
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
thank for the tip ! good too ! ;)

me too ,i have an horrible english ...

( what appens with "google drive" this evening ? synchro don't work ? empty folder ... i'm too happy ,it's hard to wait ,sorry ! :angel: )
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
EDIT !

It's good !!! :p

good flash ! :victory:
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Lukijs:
Screens, Antutu?
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] azvlean:
Same look as stock ROM with modified launcher / lockscreen / status bar, and Antutu around 4,5k !

___________________________________________________________

Phone : LG P-700 running Vanir 4.4.2 by bart452

Tablet : Asus Nexus 7 2013 stock rooted with Glitch Kernel.
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] lokopol:
guaaauuuuu

guuuaaaauuuuuu
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
i didn't test to anutu .

i have some problems with init.d crash ,internet slow and the ram is in saturation with big laggs (worse than original stock ) ... and bootloops after :eek: i don't know what appens ...

EDIT !

have you see that ? => https://cloud.mail.ru/public/cfbd6feea0d6/V20H_FRA_P700_deodex.zip

V20H deodex/root by Katochimoto (but i don't know there are CWM because i have a bad Russian translation )

EDIT 2 !!!

...and that ?! BraviaEngine 3 !!!==> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2135389
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Almin94:
I installed Sony Bravia Engine 3 on L7 and it works!!! :D
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Update

Jelly_Bean_Extreme_P700_signed_020214_143052

Deodex, Google Keyboard, Optimatization :D
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
it's beautiful on the screen ?! :D

i didn't have time to flash anithings today ...

thank for update ,friend ! :p ;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Almin94:
Yup, its better than version 2, especially black color. ;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
YESSSS !!!

thank you for the test ! :good: ;)

just have to flash ?! no buid.prop edit like BraviaEngine2 ?!
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] TahaX:
What's so different about V20H? And is it better than V20F?
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Almin94:
No build.prop edit, just flash. White is also better!!! :D
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] vaikz:
can you extract the kimho kernel for 705 please, it's useless to download the whole rom just to get the kernel.

thanks in advance.
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] jevtabg:
Every rom from this section I installed , 2 times asks for google account.First setup normaly assks for google acc, then when all done, it asks again.If I enter acc again, it says acc already exists and wont start the device.It keeps looking for acc ???!!!!!
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Almin94:
Skip that, and type it in settings when your mob start.
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] jevtabg:
Unable to skipp.

When phone starts, dont turn on wifi and mobile internet, and wait for phone to start, and then setup google acc :)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] bojan1974:
Do be another link, please
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Vrtikolo:
Nice improvements, but I had an ugly bug. Proximity sensor didn't work as it should. When I make a call screen turns off and I can't do a thing until the call hangs up.

When I call someone and there is no reply I couldn't hang up myself, I had to wait for the carrier to cut me off because of long ringing :mad:

Returned to V20d
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] aymnahmd:
The phone doesn't sleep

It keeps on a wakelcok , by the process "suspend_backoff" which is a kernel wakelock

Please help

Is there a special kernel or something ?
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Turn off Debugin USB maybe help ;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] goxymaster:
Can someone make 100% transparent status bar for this rom, please! :cowboy:
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Updated first post to :laugh:

V20e by Szymel with support for themes
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] goxymaster:
I love you rom...Only need 100% transparent status bar. Can you make it please? :fingers-crossed:
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] caiejay:
The brightness is still auto :(
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Update v20e with theme support

small performance enhancements and fixes
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] steliosk:
Whats the date for the rom?
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
The date when i made change in this soft is 13.07.2013 ;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] steliosk:
On first post says:

Change 2.07.2013r:

Added support for themes

increased minfree

and memory management script

That's why I am asking.
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Yes because i have not change this and i will change it later ;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] SteveBenz:
I enjoy reading change logs

You should update it frequently and be in-depth, like detailed :)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Yes i now ;) but its late when i update soft (and i go sleep) and now i am in work ;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] rastek:
Can you choose mp3 as a ringtone in v20e with themes support? Thank you
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Yes i use es file explorer to do this :)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] AmrAllam7:
Hi Bro:laugh:

IS (V20e by Szymel with support for themes) Have the changes like (V20e by Szymel without themes support)?

Thanks For your awesome roms:good:
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] AmrAllam7:
Now its not working both v20d and v20e nothing working getting installation error on cwm why? is there any help? :(

EDIT:Thank you its working now v20e with themes

Because there is files you didn't put it in zip file so i add it and its working
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] rastek:
Which files did you have to add??
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Crazygrouzin:
Wipe data and skip the settings without wifi and data, when u done then sign on playstore, i had that problem once
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] vaikz:
Tried the latest jelly bean extreme Rom and it's really smooth,.

problem with games, it fc's. Candy crush, pacman, etc.

sent from my p705g - v20f jellybean extreme w/ stock kernel
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] sandrosdj:
Can't install

Hi,

I've formatted everything, but I'm getting Status 7 when settings permissions. What can I do?

I'm using the latest cwm. Other roms are successfully installed.

(p700)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
if this .zip provide to Katochimoto's "V20H deodex-root" ,it's possible to have this problem ... or bootloop after .

I have some big trouble of booloop with the last one at this time !!! :eek: :(

the only things to have stock rom is to install previous ( the first) version of JB Extreme

.....or to flash this one (no mods ! pure V20H deodex/root )=> https://cloud.mail.ru/public/4fbc19b726c6/V20H_00_p700_deodex.kdz for example .
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] sandrosdj:
This kdz stuff having bootloop on my phone. The zip version can't be installed. Any link to a working, rooted v20d (hun)?
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
you still have CWM on your phone ?

if no :

put the phone to "emergency mode"

flash this V20D CWM-root-bootloader : https://disk.yandex.com/public/?hash=dqVNYlyXJYcyFKGnrD3C+052iazaQYnTr6mWL4aWxHs=

with this KDZ , you can easily recover an unlock bootloader + with a CWM integrated

if yes :

flash directly this one ( stable ! it work great ! ) => https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2Yt4LYuF0UucW9YVFVZMWRjU00&usp=sharing
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Maybe some one will try new update

Update to Jelly_Bean_Extreme_P700_signed_021714_172812

A few graphic changes and major changes - Light Speed ​​Up;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Vrtikolo:
Downloading right now.

BTW, today I installed bravia engine 3 on this ROM. I compared to my wife's L7 and there is slightly difference. But it's noticeable. She is using v20d stock. Szymel, is there any tweak by you in v20h that I'm using? I would like to know is this difference just from bravia engine?
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
Yesss !!! :p

Kitkat-prime? Or this new one? ...hummm for my FM-radio ,i will try this marvelous update ,i think... :D

Friend szymel ,you are incredible ! ;)

What new internal changes have you done ?

---------- Post added at 10:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:53 PM ----------

With this "extreme" (and others goods customs) you let your wife's L7 with a poor "hungry" V20D ???
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Vrtikolo:
Dear friend, loulou13 I have a situation like is described in the comic thread:"you know you rooted when..." One reply was:"... When your wife gets a new phone and says:'don't you come near this phone it works fine' :D
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
I use selected mods and tweaks in my ROMs, I change binary file, and maybe that it's difference with bravia engine. ;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
;)

pitty ! :eek:

with an original V20D ,when you clic to open an app ,you have lot of time to "take a good coffee" ! LOL !

but there are a small thing to do for a small boost : root with framaroot ( very easy) and with "no frills-classic" => interactive 245/1008 ,noop (because the default stock kernel is Ondemand and cfq :less performant) .....and with original stock task manager : touch menu on the phone ,check on parameters all apps you want ( but no phone and sms) , and define for to kill them in automatic every 12 ...or 24H for example.

And with "es-explorer" => just delete useless apps (smatshare...etc ...) or the same thing with "link2SD" but with add the possibility to freeze apps ...

---------- Post added at 09:38 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:35 AM ----------

@ szymel0

;)

you still have dark-market muti-DPI on your last rom ? no changes ??? :p
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Update to Jelly_Bean_Extreme_P700_signed_021814_100205

Fix Contacts and some Dalvik changes ;)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
:eek::eek::eek: rhaaaaa !!! i "just" instal the other ... :rolleyes:

what is the problem with contact ???!!! :eek: ...... and dalvik changes ??? :eek:
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] lokopol:
understand the vrtikolo Mr.

my wife said, do not touch my zte or sleep on the couch

and I do not play your zte : Laugh:: Laugh:: Laugh:
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Vrtikolo:
I didn't notice any problem with contacts. My dial pad is little pail, though :p

Is it supposed to be like this, or...?

I liked more black on white.
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
for me ,i love this phone keyboard , not very visible but very very nice ! :p ( i hate the original ! )
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] szymel00:
Yes this is this problem, if someone likes the appearance that I can give separate .apk :)
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Loulou-13:
...and for the contact that you have been fixed , what's the problem ?

...and dalvik changes ? it's build.prop changes ? ( if yes ,can you give to me the new values ? )

i flashed the previous version too early ,just minutes before your last update ! :p
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Almin94:
I have same problem...
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] ikong7:
can I use this rom for P705?
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] vaikz:
yes you can.

but you need to delete manually the nfc related files and install a 705 kernel for deepsleep working.

if you ask how, try to search on this thread. I already gave instructions and links.
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] ikong7:
thanks vaikz
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] astig_king24:
new version of jellyextreme have no keyboard? how to fix it
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Vrtikolo:
Download .apk:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2312179

and let adb be your friend ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2141817

Maybe there is some faster solution, but I solved the problem this way. Anyway, it doesn't hurt to learn new stuff :o
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] george brown:
After flashing: V20eP705 By Szymel with support for themes Overclocked 1305 mhz, reboot then I couldn't sign in to google even though I made another account I still can't login to google so my phone can't be used. Anyone could help me?
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] Austtin:
Hi everybody! I would like to know where's the download link from last update for p700. Any changelog? Is it android 4.4.2? does it have oc kernel?

How can I improve my phone for gaming??

Please I appreciate your help.

Thanks in advance!
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] lokopol:
reinstall the rom.

but this time do not connect wifi or data and follow

when finished google installation into play

and log in with your account naturally

that's the way to fix a greeting : P
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Android Development] george brown:
Okay, I'll try thanks.