yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] Koksie:
Wow, seems like some people are getting really sensitive when I call the Magician a phone... Sorry if I insulted you guys, it is just that I compare it to a phone because I use it for that the most, but I do understand that it is actually much more than that!

I have no problems with the way the sleep button works, it is ok for me, I just wanted to say that there are other possibilities that could have been used to map the button to. Especially since some people would have liked the button to work more "phone wise". But since it is primarily a PDA, I see that this current application is the most logical thing for the button to do.

BTW you are totally right that most running apps are termintated when pushing the power button. Although WMP stays active in the running programs menu, the music is cut off. However, since the prog stays loaded, does this consume more power than shutting it down completey (e.g. with SPB Pocket Plus)?

I think the Today screen stays loaded BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE AFTER WAKE UP, just as you say: it does not have to be booted first. BTW: I have a little window in my fridge door to check wether the light goes off ;).

And please guys, don't call each other jerks or ignorant just because someone's questions or remarks anoy you. Reply polite or don't reply at all!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] :
Koksie, don't worry about it. The issue is purely with one individual who continually presents his incorrect presumptions as fact. For example, in this thread alone, that a cellphone should behave the same way as a PDA, that PalmOS PDAs turn completely off when he hits the power button, or that the Jam's standby switch is labelled incorrectly. Who will never listen to other people's points of view, accept that he was mistaken, learn from the advice he is given, or acknowledge that there might actually be valid reasons for things to be designed they way they are.

Instead he will simply invent another lie, claim that the reason he can't use his device properly is all Microsoft's fault, and tell anyone who doesn't subscribe to his ill-informed point of view to “Go suck Bill Gates ass” (his words, not mine).

Thankfully, most people on here (yourself included) are more reasoned. :D
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] harrykism:
I think:

- Everything has its reasons!

- Nothing can be suitable for all!

You can give your ideas to the producers, then they will put them into the category: User-needs.

Next version, the products could have the needs you desire. But it cost us more. This is the way our money run out of the pocket just for little new function.

And a year later, they all become OLD model!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] skagen:
You can make all the noise you want, and feel free to go into what ever retarded rant you like - but that button does not do what anyone would expect it to do: turn the phone off.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] mtarro:
It does exactly what I expect it to do. It puts the pda in standby. On the rare occasion that I want to turn the actual phone off the flight mode is one press on the screen away. I would like to think that anyone who purchased such an expensive "phone" would read at least the quick start guide or the first few pages of the owners manual and they would know this right away. I think this is a "what you're used to" kind of argument. I've never had a "regular" cell phone because I didn't need one. I've had pda's for quite a while and the extra of the phone pleases my wife. (she wanted me to have a cell phone earlier) :lol:

The 2 camps will exist, just as mac vs pc will always exist. The easiest way to put this in perspective is to just realize it's a damn toy not a life preserving device.

Just my 2 cents.

Mike T.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] bamse:
It does what almost anyone but yourself would expect it to do. And this is obviously close enough to being everyone to make the manufacturers give jack **** about anyone else.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] skagen:
You mean like the way they basically ignored ä æ ø in character recognition? I agree. No one gives jack **** about Swedish users.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] Loboman:
Correct. We're quite used to having to find our own solutions to stuff.

I can't really see how this could turn into an argument. For phone users, the button is really confusing and for PDA users, the button does what it does on their PDA. Is it only I who can understand both sides?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] 1471:
YadaYadaYada

Guest was right. All he does is ignore all the facts, stick his fingers in his ears and go “YadaYadaYada”. There just isn’t any point reasoning with this guy.

skagen – if you actually took time to pull your head outa your a** and answer the 3 questions that Guest posed, or even (God forbid) listen to the points of view of other contributers to this thread, you might realise why the correctly labelled button does what it does on the Magician.

Or perhaps not. :wink:
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] Mvmajorem:
You got serious issues man...

How about you just take out the battery from you device. That will completely POWER OFF your device.

And when you put the battery back on, I bet you've got something new to complain about!
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] 1471:
At least he'll have something to contribute to the "Share tips about freeing magician main memory" thread :)
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] sirox:
Frankly, if the standby button would switch off the phone radio, the thing would be unusable!!!! We would need to keep the device AND screen on all the time in order to receive calls!!!!

The closest to a complete switch off is made by two steps:

- Switch flight mode on by tapping on the phone icon on the top of the screen (this switches the phone off)

- And press the stand-by button.

Now the device is as "off" as it can be, like any other PDA without a phone. And will consume very little energy.

Maybe the guy who started this non-sense thread does not know about flight mode...[/list]
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] 1471:
Quite correct sirox. I think everyone with an ounce of common sense knows and accepts how to use it now, except maybe one. I see he still hasn't answered Guest's 3 questions yet. Perhaps they were too difficult. :twisted:

Still, the fact that the MDA manual incorrectly tells you to press and hold the standby button to turn the phone off doesn't help. Which is why you'll see similar threads in every Magician forum. Just goes to show, reading the manual should always be the last resort :)
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] vijay555:
:) Just found this old thread by accident!

VJEschaton -sleep can switch off the Magician and most Intel based HTCs.

Power off, not screen off/standby.

V
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] professormark:
turning off the orange spv m500

only way to go to the start/reset screen is to remove the battery compartment lid and then replace it. pushing the on/sleep button makes the reset screen pop up. on mine it does anyway
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] NiklasM:
I dont care what symbol the darn thing has or if its a Pda-phone or a Phone-pda.

I want to turn the thing of, wich I cant - that sucks.

And yes, I do believe its because MS doesnt want you to have an option, nor to show people how slow booting the OS is.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] vijay555:
NiklasM:

VJEschaton can switch off the Magician.

I've tried to say it quite a few times, but no one ever listens :)

Just run

VJEschaton -sleep

and it'll power off the system.

I disagree that MS is malicious, but frankly not being able to switch off a WM2003 device is a terrible oversight. On WM5 it makes no difference, but on WM2003, it's fatal.

But yes, once again, for the hard of thinking,

VJEschaton can switch off the Magician and other Intel based HTC phones

V
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] NiklasM:
And I dont ever read ;)

But hey, THANX!!

//n
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] quasi_mojo:
Purely out of morbid curiosity:

why would you want to turn it off?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] vijay555:
As I've said, on Wm2003 the system will hard reset after the battery is completely empty. That's a pain in the ass if you know you're not using the phone for a while. To be honest, I can't imagine that happening often for 99.9% of users, since we use and charge the phone daily.

But, if you're travelling long distances without access to a charger, or not using your phone for a while, or stuck on a mountain in the middle of no where, it can be useful to shut down the system when it's not needed.

NiklasM: don't forget, if you use VJEshcaton -sleep, you have to poke the soft reset hole to switch it back on again. Because of the low level of sleep it's in, it won't wake up from the power button, but a poke of the soft reset will do it.

V
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] chumkila:
Why don't you just put the Magician into "flight-mode" i.e. turns phone function off and then lock the buttons so when you tap the screen nothing will happen?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] vijay555:
chumkila: if you read my post, above, those are my reasons why I would need deep sleep on my Magician.

One more reason actually. I'm often in court, for my pimping activities, and the last thing you ever want to happen is for your phone to ring.

And although I use PhoneAlarm and additionally set my phone to mute, you can just never be 100% sure unless you entirely power off, IMHO.

V
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] chumkila:
Hey Vijay, the post was actually pointed towards this threads very 1st post, not yours. :D :D
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] vijay555:
chumkila: :) Apologies.

I'm with all of you guys though - WM2003 should have the option to switch off completely, even if it's not used often. Various phones already have the option, eg the wizard, and axims have it, and it's certainly possible, as I've shown in VJEschaton. So there must be a policy reason for not implementing it.

But as I said, right now I'm moving from my Magician to a Mio a701, and so my Magician lies on the floor uncharged for days. So I use my app to power down, to prevent it from hardresetting itself too often.

V
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] thormdac:
@vijay,

Mio a701 looks really interesting. does the navi option come built in? i mean the software. and what navy software are they gonna be using?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] vijay555:
@offtopic

The mio is ok. I'll be posting a review on my new website, if I ever get time to finish it off.

But generally: I prefer the Magician for sentimental reasons.

Mio screen is brighter (even when using VJLumos II on the Magician), but the screen looks washed out if not looked at straight on. That's not an issue though, since you look at the screen straight on :)

Processor is fast enough, with built in overclocking.

Screen is slightly smaller, only a few mm, but noticeable :(

Build - it looks like the offspring of a psp and a Cylon

+ =

too plasticy, but firm and well built.

GPS works - I suppose you could say well, but for me, if it finds its position, it's doing what it's supposed to. However, for building it into the form factor, it's a good job, discrete enough.

It's fine in the pocket, only marginally bigger then magician.

As a phone, it's fine. It comes with only marginal OEM modifications, but I erased those immediately.

My bluetooth headphones worked well, and it played stereo music very clearly.

For Navigation, I'm using TomTom. They say that MioMap might be included with it in future, but since you have to pay $$$ for the software, unless you're getting a great deal, I'd say buy the phone naked and then use your own navigation software. TomTom is fine, but I've heard that iGo is much better. I've not tried it.

BUT: the mio rom is new, and has bugs IMHO. It needs and will be updated.

It doesn't have a dedicated power key. That's just plain stooopid.

You have to press and hold red for about 15 seconds to switch off the phone (which is a proper off, not standby :) btw)

All in - a bit of a mish mash. Good technical features, average build (not up to HTC's style, but nice enough), unfinished ROM, but a good upgrade from the Magician for those who don't want a keyboard (ie Wizard, TrTn or whatever it's called etc), and don't want the lump of the Universal. I'm happy with it all in. Around 70% on the Vijay555 "banging on the headboard, take me to heaven and back" scale.

V
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] thormdac:
@mostdefinatelytotallyoffthetopic,

thanx amil for the review. having googled and ebayed in the meantime, nothing pricewise under 460euros, and only a minimal amount of people offering the machine. any suggestion on where to get it easyly wit a wwe rom? dont need a nav solution as tomtom5.21 is just fine for me.

thanx again
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] professormark:
how to turn of the magician/spv!!!!!!

remove and replace the battery cover!!!!!

this turns it off as far as i can tell as the status led doesnt flash and when you hit the power button it goes through the whole boot process from the splash screen
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] Moblin88:
Luddites Get Confused Easily

Any Windows Mobile 2003 SE device is not designed to ever be turned off in the standard sense. Most devices you use are never in an entirly powered down state. Most moder TVs arn't "turned off" (as in lamp) when you push the button. Even PCs have bateries for their clock and BIOS that keep running electric circutry while the machine is off.

Your files, contacts, etc will disapear if power really stops goign through your phone as they are not stored in flash memory. That is why a hard reset (which flashes the power) will destory all your data.

Why anyone would want to "really turn their Magician off" is beyond me. It woul be like hard reseting it every time you turned it off.

Even the program posted doesn't really turn the phone off, it just turns off the processor (and causes the OS to reboot).

PDAs almost always work in this manor. Anthing with a clock in it that doesn't reset when you turn it off has running circutry even when it is off.

I can understand the functionality difference though. The average user of a cell phone thinks that he wont get calls when he pushes the button on it and the screen goes dark. The fact that even this doesn't really turn the phone off is irrelavent. For someone who never used a pda before I could see how this could be confusing if the user is a luddite. They "turn off" their phone but they still get calls! Ohnos. On the other hand a PDA user who realizes he missed all his calls because he "turned off" his PDA when he was done with it would be shocked. Traditionally you leave phones on and turn PDAs "off" when you are done with them. You can't have it both ways with a hybrid device. Not only that but it is silly to claim that your other PDAs turn off when you push the little button on them because they don't either. Their alarms went off just the same as your alarms goes off now, just the same as the phone rings when you get a call.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] vijay555:
Moblin88: there are times when switching off a phone is necessary, flight mode or not (I work in the law courts, and having a phone on in any form is not advisable or permissable sometimes).

Even if WinMob 2003 wouldn't like it (ie hard reset), that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the choice. My first ipaq had a little switch that let me disable all power, which came in handy of an occassion.

As you say, "powering off" a phone without persistent memory is not wise. But other phones can power off (and in the WinMob range, many WM5 phones can and do - my Mio has it as a standard feature), and so the "confusion" is more frustration through lack of choice, I think.

Whether the phone is off, or the pda is off, or the processor is off (from a technical point of view) I believe that most non-tech heavy users would just be happy with a big red button that turns everything off as off it can be.

Just because you shouldn't take cocaine doesn't mean that people won't want to.

V
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] borgs:
I'm a little confused here. If you use your app to turn "off" a magician, when you press the stylus into the reset hole does it do a soft reset or a hard reset? i.e. do you lose all your data and have to reload it from a backup or does it still power the RAM but turns everything else off? If its a soft reset do you know roughly how many days you would get on a full charge before it did a hard reset?

I just thought that I'd ask before trying it.

Thanks.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] vijay555:
borgs: as Moblin88 points out, what VJEschaton actually does is something like switching off the xscale processor, and thus effectively powering down the system into something like a permanent hibernate (which is why the mode is called -sleep, not -poweroff)

To switch the phone back on, since the power button on your pda is operated by xscale interrupts, it won't work (correctly) to power on the device - you have to poke the soft reset button to wake it up fro hibernate. However, on poking reset, you'll only soft reset, not hard reset - so long as your battery has lasted long enough to maintain the memory, you shouldn't lose your data. So it's effectively a long term power off.

However, it's relatively theoretical - I've not tried it for weeks at a time, but I just power off whenever I know I won't be using it for a long time (ie many days), since the alternative is a hard reset anyway after 2 days, once the batteries run out! :(

It's safe enough from my testing, but I suggest doing a backup first, and then give it a go. I'd be intersted to know how long the battery would last myself...

V
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 General] borgs:
Cheers for the explanation! I'll give it a try after backing up. I'll see if I can find out how much slower the battery discharges and let you know.
[HTC EVO 3D] Kblavkalash:
Hi guys.

It's 2 days already I am trying to do s-off for my evo 3d. Maybe anyone got "up to date" thread where I can do this? My hboot is 1.49.0018, and GSM phone.

Because thread using hex and revolutionary method is out of date, and the main file PG86IMG.zip is no longer uploaded there.

Juopunutbear method requires stock RUU, but when I download from http://www.androidfiles.org/ruu/?developer=Shooter this version: RUU_SHOOTER_U_ICS_35_S_HTC_Europe_3.28.401.1_Radio_11.77.3504.00U_11.25.3504.06_M_release_262714_signed.zip I get wrong zip file when flashing. Name was too big for 4ext, but when I shorten name it's gives error.

Any ideas? :crying: Thanks..

EDIT: Got S-off, but have no root now..
[HTC EVO 3D] Brian706:
You can't flash that through 4ext. You need to rename to PG86IMG.zip and put it on the root of your SD card. Then reboot into the bootloader and when it asks to update, hit volume up to say yes.

Make sure when you boot back up to delete the file from the sd card.

I believe your bootloader needs to be relocked before running the ruu as well.

fastboot oem lock

Personally I have seen many evo V users get s-off just by being on a stock based rom. Because there was no ruu available to them they went as close to stock as possible. Probably best to just follow the instructions though if you have that option.
[HTC EVO 3D] Kblavkalash:
Thanks Brian. Actually I did just like you said, but apparently that RUU version had 1.53.0007 hboot, so now I am on stock RUU with 1.53.0007 hboot.

Gonna try juopunutbear method first if I manage to install linux first haha.
[HTC EVO 3D] Brian706:
Good luck! :) It's not too hard to make the live dvd/usb. There is a program you can download that will set it all up for you if you go to the ubuntu website. They have all the instructions for a live ubuntu dvd/usb.
[HTC EVO 3D] Kblavkalash:
So I finally made S-off using wire trick :) But got new problem so gonna ask here..

I am still on stock RUU, and I installed 4ext using Play store, but it's not working cause it says I need root. I installed busybox and SuperSu, but SuperSu won't work, it says: "There is no SU binary installed, and SuperSU can not install it, This is a problem!

I had root before I know for sure.. Also I can't go into recovery from bootloader because recovery does not exist. Can I flash 4ext through the bootloader renaming it PG86IMG.zip or it's not how it works?

Just downloaded several "root checker" apps, and all of them says I have no root access.

Thanks!

Edit: my hboot is 1.53.7777 now if that matters.

Edit2. I am on stock ROM, maybe that's why it does not work..?

EDIT: I've fixed everything, thanks.
[HTC EVO 3D] Brian706:
Sorry, was asleep but glad to see you got it! I'm assuming you had to flash Super user to get the binaries installed? The app is just an interface.
[HTC EVO 3D] Kblavkalash:
Yes I flashed recovery using adb and then SuperSU using recovery ;) And my root access came back.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] goateegauti:
Guys what is the best ROM which is based on stock and doesn't require bootloader to be unlocked for neo l????
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] :
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36653067

Why no read stickies before creating threads.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] karanrajkapur:
Well, such questions require such dumb replies only.

Stick to your STOCK ROM! :D:p

say no to Drugs and ICS! :D
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] goateegauti:
Guys come on. Just suggest some damn stable ROM. I am a pico guy. The ROM is needed for a friend of mine. Don't have the time to look all the builds. There are so many builds based on stock over here. JUST SUGGEST A STABLE ONE......I m not saying best.

P.S: thika alladiskondu summasummane rules baggie maathanaadabedi

"Don't talk about the rules if can't follow one"
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] :
Wasnt that you who couldnt follow rules? Read stickies. And dont ask for stable/best/fastest rom. It isnt allowed. Against rules.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] goateegauti:
What a bunch of a holes...:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Report this to mods if u like. For xda's sake this is q n a thread ....not development section. Asking for a stable one is not a big deal when you got n number of ROMs. It doesn't look good if you ask that for something which is still in beta!!!
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] zelendel:
This is a development forum not a support site. Try them out yourself and find the one that suites your needs. Thread closed

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] 33bca:
Hey,

I`m new on this forum and I can`t find a Tread for the best Batery Life Rom and Kernel

If you know a good Rom / Kernel (Governor, I/O) combination the post it here
[LG Optimus 4X HD] ectoplasma22:
I'm using Jellybeer from Demetris with Iodak v006. The rom is buttery smooth (best rom I've tried and i tried almost all roms available) and battery life is great. No need to say that gaming performance are perfect for me too, I play Virtua Tennis which is lagfree
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tiflao:
Can u upload the battery stats?

Enviado desde mi LG-P880 usando Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus 4X HD] ectoplasma22:
Yep will do asap I just wipe my data to try new jelly beer so my battery stats are not useful but I'll probably upload tomorrow
[LG Optimus 4X HD] gordonbennet:
Best battery life is Stock 4.1 ROM and Stock Kernel for normal activities.

If you game a lot, then iodak is your best bet along with any other CM based custom ROM. I would lean towards either SilmBean or XenonHD.

I use Zaiben's stock rom mod along with stock kernel. Gives me about 20hours max with about 3-4 screen on time.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dawidex444:
I use Zaiben rom too but my battery drain is very big ;/ when I unplug my phone 100% battery drain when i writing sms its 8-9 % per hour witch off wifi / 2g / sync off etc. WHY? ;c

Sorry for bad English . Redags
[LG Optimus 4X HD] 33bca:
I know and I have the same issue -.-
[LG Optimus 4X HD] someth1ng:
I use SuperXE+iodak with 0.3-0.4%/hr idle drain.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] 33bca:
k downloading xD thx :good:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dawidex444:
Still drain for me ;/

Only one time my battery have 13h ussage. Now is 4 hour...
[LG Optimus 4X HD] 33bca:
Try JellyBeer Rom with Iodak Kernel, 30min Display on and only 15% Drain (WTF???) Nice :good:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tiflao:
Screens hehe