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[Nexus 7 General] LucMartin:
paying double for half the cpu performance, nexus 7 beats price and hardwear of ipad

If u need a consumer product that can be operated with no computer experience, then iOS is made for you.. If you see the future of technology being a collective uprising and controlled by the user, then Nexus 7 is made for you.

I'd imagine android taking the lead if the hardwear was made identical in every device. I hope the nexus brand is the beginning of what precise hardwear configuration with open source modification can develop as a Dev and consumer community.

Maybe Roms should be branded to sell as an option for these high tech handhelds?$$ I'd pay for improved capabilities. For now apple customer s are paying for exactly that, a ui that is swift with no options to confuse a consumer.

IOS is great for consumers cause grandma can Skype without to many buttons to push, but the new children have an inept intuition for taking a device to its limits, and android is out platform at a price that didn't break the bank with hardware that will soon reach its potential.

IOS= following a system

Android OS= leading the open market for what's to come.
[Nexus 7 General] :
I don't disagree. But us here on xda love to play around with our devices. And android can fly if you make it fly. Yes apple is simple ....and non techies would probably be very happy with one. But yawn....not me! And not the majority of xda members. ;)

To say the nexus 7, as this thread began, is crap now cause it lags is utterly rediculous. Anyone who can't make their nexus 7 fly, should have an apple....for sure.

Sent from my cell phone telephone.
[Nexus 7 General] IRX120:
My nexus 7 is slow, but it has 1gb of ram and quad core 1.3ghz. The full iPad 4 has 1gb ram and like a dual core 800mhz processor. Android kicks ass, if you set it up to.

Sent from my Nexus 4 @1.728 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 7 General] :
That's what I keep trying to say....but the android slammers around here just seem to wanna throw out their devices that they mucked up with junk instead of put a wee bit of effort into solving the issue. LOL

Guess they don't use windows computers either....windows is way worse than android for slowing down from stuff being piled on it for months. ;)

Sent from my cell phone telephone.
[Nexus 7 General] redmonke255:
You guys defend your phones and tablets as if your life depends on it. Sheesh.
[Nexus 7 General] Keion:
sage

TOP_LEL.MID_KEK

Goodbye, and good riddance.

I seriously don't get how people can be this stupid.

Unless I'm being rused.

In which case 6/10 average ruse. Don't see many trolls on XDA though.
[Nexus 7 General] Nate2:
It is far more tedious trying to stop Google from pushing their "updates" onto my Nexus 7 tablet than it is to stop Microsoft from pushing their "updates" onto my Windows PC.

I mean, look how non-intrusive linux (yum/pup) updates are.

All updates should come with a corresponding downdate, for those who want to revert.

Likewise, all upgrades should come with a corresponding downgrade.

What kind of software company pushes out a half-baked product, uses it customer base as a large-scale beta-test, and won't provide an official way to revert it's changes to allow the user to get back to the previous state of the device?

If it wasn't for clockworkmod (cwm) recovery, we'd all be hosed.
[Nexus 7 General] :
LOL. Android does have recovery mode....and Odin.....and custom roms. You can do or run whatever tickles your fancy.

As for Microsoft ....one word......Vista. Android never dropped a ball that hard! ;)

Anyway...this thread is foolish and the OP article is for sheep.

I'm outta this thread. Have a nice day! :)

Sent from my cell phone telephone.
[Nexus 7 General] damosuk:
The phones hardware runs android fine like I said, why would it "start lagging". With the nexus 7 I tried loads of ROMs and kernels, kept the thing for 7 months, I don't chuck a phone if it starts lagging, I chuck a device after exploring all the options and fully confirming its a pile of ****!!.

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In the end I always ran my 7 on M kernel [MENTION=1247388]1.6[/MENTION]mhz. I really don't know how people used that device with a stock rom and kernel, which is complete the opposite to the nexus 4!.

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Don't know why it came out like that "I always ran my device on M kernel @ 1.6 MHz"
[Nexus 7 General] nethervor:
I don't know what you people are doing with your N7 to have such issues. My N7 runs flawlessly since day one. The only two problems I have had with it were my fault.
[Nexus 7 General] damosuk:
Has more processing power ?!? Everyone knows the tegra's a piece of ****. The iPad mini plays games on high quality smoothly were the nexus plays them on low quality choppy. Even games optimised for tegra look better on three iPad!. Better sound drivers !!?? nexus sound quality, through earphone and speaker is terrible, the duel speaker set up of the iPad is very good, through the earphones-superb!.

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And I've always used android since my i9000. This my first apple product and I'm very suprised how superior the tablet experience is compared to android. But of course the OS is very boring compared to android. When jailbroken though you can do the lot (except ROM modding/flashing).
[Nexus 7 General] damosuk:
I was talking about the iPad mini. Check out any nexus vs iPad mini gaming test on utube to confirm what I said.

The next nexus 7 is supposed to have a 1080 screen and snapdragon s4 pro [MENTION=2861861]least[/MENTION]. That would fix all (sound/picture/lag) issue's, I'll be getting that, deffo!.

I love what Google's doing with these cheap "powerful" product's, but what's good is good and what's not is not.
[Nexus 7 General] khaytsus:
For anyone who is really having problems with their Nexus 7, go use a Nook Color for a few days.

My daughter is using her NC more, so I wanted to do some updates and tweaks on it. Reminded me how fast my Nexus 7 really is.
[Nexus 7 General] player911:
Been there. Try using one of those cheap chinese tablet models. I bought my son one just to test the waters. Had a Resistive touch screen (crap), looked horrible (like crap), super slow, old outdated hardware, no support, etc. Then moved to a NC and it was night and day. Then I bought myself a Asus Transformer and the NC had to go. Went to a Nook Tablet, which was better, but still horrible. Nexus 7 for me. Then picked up a Galaxy Tab 7.0 for him. Then a N7 for him.

I've owned an iPad and an iPad2 in there somewhere. iOS feels more fluid and smooth but that doesn't really mean it is. I think a big part of it is just the animations. Click an app and the open animation makes you THINK it's fast, but the iDevice sits there for a few seconds at a black screen while it loads. My gf has an iPhone4S and THE LAUNCHER is smooth.

But who gives a "****" about smooth when the OS itself is so watered down and restrictive that becomes a pain to use. I HATE HATE HATE iOS. If I had to rely on one for work, I would quit. I don't know how many times I try to do something really simple and either get stuck at some stupid screen where there is no back button and forced to fall back to the desktop, or forced to continually do a handful of steps to get something accomplished.

HEY! Guess what?! My old 1990's Grayscale Nokia flip phone is super smooth too! So by damosuk's logic, the Nokia > iPhone?

Who gives a "****" about everything being perfectly smooth when it takes you 6x longer to do anything?
[Nexus 7 General] rushless:
Another reason iPad is preferred by consumers. Love my Nook HD+ with CM 10.1, Excite 7.7 and TF300, but my iPad 4 needs no maintenance. That of course is an obvious cost of being locked down like iOS.
[Nexus 7 General] damosuk:
It wouldn't take much to ruse you would it boy!. You assume I'm a noob who Chuck's a load of **** on his his device, why?. With a 8gb device, obviously I was used to cleaning it very often and very thoroughly. Like I said I tried many different ROMs and kernel's (and sound mods and apps to address colour issues). I think your just upset cause someone criticised the toy mummy got you got you. Or your just another militant android fan girl!.
[Nexus 7 General] gc84245:
+1

With iOS, you're lucky if you can do it at all. Even something simple like downloading a file.

I'm with you, I hate iOS. It's fine for casually browsing the internet or checking email, but for any serious work it's pretty useless. My iPad is very smooth, but it's frustrating how limiting it is.
[Nexus 7 General] TheFirstFishy:
I really can't see the problem here. If you don't like your N7, get something else.

If you dislike the lag, get something else.

Turning this into yet another Apple - Android war is just......... Well, not likely anyone will change their minds, so just a waste of time.

For me I still love my N7, no matter what the iSheeps or LagBoys say. Sure, i might replace my Xperia with a iPhone, but keeping my N7 since its some of the best money I have ever spent.
[Nexus 7 General] damosuk:
I did bin the 7,

I have swapped it for a iPad mini. What spoils the seven is tegra. The lag and the sound will be fixed on the next seven (ill be getting that for sure)with its new processor, and hopefully they'll calibrate the screen correctly and alls well. Androids a better OS for multi-tasking, the whole OS is more open,the google ethic is better than apples, and android is EASIER to use. It's funny how if anyone dares criticise a nexus product there assumed to be a computer illiterate OAP by a million vexed android nerds! LMFAO!!. Anyone who buys a nexus device knows how to flash ROMs and run scripts. How old is the average user on xda?. I'm starting to think its very young indeed, or the people hear are thick!.
[Nexus 7 General] TheFirstFishy:
Well, all except me know those scripts and Roms then. :P Never tryed any of that, and don't really wanna try. I'm happy with it, so no reason to change it. And with the number of posts by people with brick or something gone wrong, I'm not gonna join the queue.

So not all with a N7 are teenagers with a dream to root, flash and see boobs.
[Nexus 7 General] damosuk:
And as I've said, I use both OS's, but iOS tablet apps are better than androids(particularly music production apps) and androids written sloppily (takes much power to run smooth.
[Nexus 7 General] lolcopter:
current iPad mini is garbage
[Nexus 7 General] damosuk:
The current iPad mini plays music and graphically intense game very well and doesn't lag and freeze!. Nexus can't do one and can barely do the other, and of course it lags like a *****. It also has the high quality apps make a tablet experience special

But I new my nexus 7 was not going to be a iPad, I thought it was going to be like a big nexus 4, but it failed. I ran the thing for seven months and own a nexus 4 so I'm well placed to make point. People here worship Google and"Nexi" the way ifags worship Apple. Makes for some good giggling!.

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Has more processing power ?!? Everyone knows the tegra's a piece of ****. The iPad mini plays games on high quality smoothly were the nexus plays them on low quality choppy. Even games optimised for tegra look better on three iPad!. Better sound drivers !!?? nexus sound quality, through earphone and speaker is terrible, the duel speaker set up of the iPad is very good, through the earphones-superb!.
[Nexus 7 General] lolcopter:
at 1,024x768? pass

Cool, what's your favorite equalizer?
[Nexus 7 General] damosuk:
That's correct, slightly lower pixel density, but that's a problem on the nexus as well. But i can confirm it looks fractionally more pixelated, but the colour calibration is spot on (a relief after the yellow screened nexus). I was going to wait for the 1080 7 inchers but the thing drove mad so I thought I'll get this in the meantime then I'll be well placed to chose between the next iPad mini and nexus 7. Not sure which one as the new processor and screen will fix the 7's problems. I think I may stick with doing android work on my phone and get the new iPad mini(music production apps kill it on iOS) I don't know I've only had the iPad a week, we'll see.
[Nexus 7 General] BlackFire27:
Charlie Sheen.
[Nexus 7 General] veeman:
So relevant.
[Nexus 7 General] BlackFire27:
More relevant than iDevices ~
[Nexus 7 General] veeman:
Good point.
[Nexus 7 General] Moscow Desire:
You are absolutely correct Mate ;)

MD

The writing appears on the wall, and I hear the horns blowing........​
[Nexus 7 General] chismay:
your i-pad suck bra,

my nexus does not lag, i actually know how to use a computer and run a system clean every now and then also i dont download any old crap, check real boxing on the ipad compared to the nexus, a-thank you.

yes its does have better sound drivers/capabilities , as i can load what drivers i feel work best for me i can do this easily because my tablet is open to me to change whenever i feel. ..... we love you android

the speaker on my nexus is MUCH loader then the i-pad mini also seems to produce a much deeper sound, and if you have crap headphones expect crap sound,

also if i wanted to go buy new headphones i could use my NFC ENABLED TAB

NFC

NEXUS yes | IPAD mini - no

RAM

Nexus 1gb | ipad mini - 512mb

PROCESSOR

Nexus - 1.2 GHz quad-core | ipad mini Dual-Core 1.0GHz

DONT WORRY though you can still fun using google apps as your native ios ones are embarrassing :D ios maps and walking into the sky comes to mind:good:
[Nexus 7 General] :
You lose kid! ;) reported...again.
[Nexus 7 General] Moscow Desire:
Hmmmm.... you hear that? Just wait for it..... It's coming...... OOOOOO BAM! KA-POW!!!!!

You need to follow the rules....
[Nexus 7 General] Richieboy67:
Not sure what you did to mess yours up. Have fun spending 3 times much. I love the 7.

Sent from my shiny new(bought last Nov), scratch less Nexus 4!
[Nexus 7 General] mar5hal:
N7 rules!!
[Nexus 7 General] tomh1979:
I have my original launch day nexus 7, love it just as much as the day I got it, no issues yet at all, yes it's rooted and romed with PA, only thing that is wrong is a few scratches from my dog, other then that it's perfect.
[Nexus 7 General] armyboy11b:
I've had mine since it first launched,no issues here lucky me
[Nexus 7 General] slybunda:
bet this is probably the same issue that is effecting the freezing up on galaxy s3 phones.
[Nexus 7 General] cornelious2:
I thought I was having the same issue but it seems somehow every application was registering as on. I went through and force closed all the apps and it's good as new now. Non rooted stock. And rebooting didn't seem to solve it.
[Nexus 7 General] Nate2:
FWIW, http://www.androidbenchmark.net/cpumark_chart.html
[Nexus 7 General] just lou:
My N7 runs good as new. I slightly O/C the GPU and CPU, and have no issues running anything I throw at it.
[Nexus 7 General] FettleifIsMyUserName:
i was having a lot of problems on my nexus 7 running 4.2.2 on every rom, so today i went back to 4.1.2 and i just realized why i love this tablet :)

but also when i think about the thing i did, just updating the bootloader when 4.2.2 came out might be the problem for the lag on every rom running 4.2.2 ill check on that later, but guys what do you think, was only updating the bootloader instead of the whole rom be the problem for the lag on every rom running 4.2.2 ?

would love som answers, thank you :)
[Nexus 7 General] Logomotph:
I've had mine since September. It's been running the same since the day I got it. stock rooted.

Right now, it has a 20-day up-time.
[Nexus 7 General] Richieboy67:
Yeah, I cannot wait for the new model!! The current model is awesome though with great battery life and very quick but I'm still excited about the new one! This month hopefully!!!
[Nexus 7 General] SheerluckSherlock:
I'm more than happy with my 32gb Nexus 7. I find it can handle many things well.
[Nexus 7 General] overrule:
usasteo cushions

I notice mine a little slower, but that's just asking for a format maybe.
[Nexus 7 General] chismay:
simply love how this thread turned out. A-thank you fellow xda-n7'ers :highfive::highfive::highfive::highfive: HIGH FIVE! I LIKE!

EDIT: THANKS to Moscow Desire, as always there on point
[Nexus 7 General] BrianDigital:
It's good to see a community so in love with their device that they refuse to help track down an issue, and insulted anyone that has an issue.

Good work guys
[Nexus 7 General] armada786:
It seems that those having problems are a vocal minority (based on a small sample I've collected) and they insist we "see the light" and agree all our devices are crap, so excuse our enjoyment. I also can't wrap my head around why I should actively try to find something I hate about this device. That just doesn't seem productive.
[Nexus 7 General] gc84245:
Plenty of people here have posted possible solutions in this thread and in other threads. If people need more help than that, they should give more details on their setup. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to troubleshoot a specific problem.

Now, if people are still having problems with factory reset stock Rom (no installed apps, clean sd card) then there is obviously a problem. However in most cases it's probably caused by installing stuff and filling up the storage, and without knowing what has been installed there is nothing anyone can suggest to help fix it.
[Nexus 7 General] BrianDigital:
I'm sure there are more people, I didn't want to post anything do to the nature of people that are in this thread, you don't have to actively search for a solution maybe just not posting in this thread. If the problem doesn't concern you, why are the people with issue get lambasted by users who don't have an issue.

After my post that now is the second quote, someone actually said if your device functions after a clean install and no apps then there isn't a problem. OK so his solution is to have a empty tablet and only enjoy scrolling through the preinstalled apps but not use the play store for anything. Also I am wrong for installing apps in general.

So far the solutions are

Root ROM your tablet

Leave it stock

Downgrade to 4.1.2

Don't install apps

Also if your having issues you are a noob

You should have bought another tablet if you don't like how of runs after months of use

Shut up its a great price

I have all the same apps installed and have moved to Franco kernel and changed the settings and it performs a lot better, but I believe its all coming from turning off fsync.

Also its really in poor taste to tell someone "well void your warranty and flash this stuff also research everything involved with android to get your tablet working like new again" who might have landed here after searching the web for a resolution

That's not a solution its a band aid, this device already had issues with the storage management, I suspect am engineer screwed the pouch with the selection of chips he chose
[Nexus 7 General] armada786:
Of course the solution offered will be to void your warranty for a fix via root, ROM, or kernel. May I remind you this XDA developers and not XDA solutions. The reason those complaining are getting lambasted is because they feel entitled to a flawless device and are now put out they because it doesn't meet that expectation. That's not inherently wrong but it becomes obnoxious when all suggestions are met with "I shouldn't have to do that!" That's not looking for solutions but looking to complain. There isn't anything wrong with not liking a device because it can be flawed but if you aren't willing to go beyond to fix it or just accept those flaws then that isn't going to be welcomed. Especially on a site where developers and enthusiast break their warranties and devices every day.
[Nexus 7 General] gc84245:
Wow, that's not even close to what I said.

I said that if your tablet runs smooth before you fill it up with apps and files, but starts to lag afterwards, then it might be something you installed. I never said not to install apps. I have dozens of apps installed and no lag problems, but then again I pay attention to what is running in the background and uninstall any misbehaving apps. I also use very few widgets since they run in the background and use up resources too.

Without knowing what someone else is running, there is no way for me to help them with troubleshooting and getting theirs to run as smoothly as mine. You wouldn't go to the doctor and tell them you're in pain and expect them to cure you without knowing more info like where it hurts, when it started, what you did to reproduce the pain, etc. So how can you expect us to help fix your tablet when the only info we have is that "it lags"?
[Nexus 7 General] cdf3:
What type of app did you use to fix the lag on your device?

I wouldn't mind trying to see if it fixes the lag on mine. I have a 32GB model, with plenty of space left. I've done factory resets, as well as not installing a lot of apps. It still lags periodically.
[Nexus 7 General] veeman:
I believe the two apps I used were Lag Fix (fstrim) and Forever Gone.
[Nexus 7 General] bcvictory:
Same for me. No lag at all.
[Nexus 7 General] cdf3:
Thanks. I'll keep those in mind.

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Setting up my device again after another factory reset. After the reset, my device is pretty snappy. I noticed before the reset, I would only have about 150-200 MB of free RAM. After the factory reset, I had over 600MB of free RAM. This time around I'll just have to limit what apps I'll install on it. I have quite a few apps on my phone, but it has 2GB of RAM. On average I tend to use 1.2GB of RAM on average. With the Nexus 7 only having 1GB of RAM, I'll have to leave off any apps that like to eat up RAM. Hate not being able to put all of my apps back on it, but perhaps it will make it run faster in return.
[Nexus 7 General] spitfire2425:
Why is this thread still open? If you don't like your n7 sell the damn thing and don't bother us with your problems. The n7 is an awesome tablet especially it's quad core and $200. I plan on using my n7 until it gives out completely. If your tablet is running slow, it's probably something you've done to it. My little brothers runs less than half as good as mine because he doesn't take care of his like I do. Maybe you should try to take better care of it physically and software wise. Just my 2 cents.

Sent from my HTC One
[Nexus 7 General] s1lenz:
....because xda doesnt close threads when one user grows bored of the "peasants and their problems."

nobody's forcing you to read this ****. hell, i started the thread and im not even reading 90% of it. doesn't mean it shouldn't be open for discussion.

don't like it, nobodys forcing you to read; or comment for that matter. every reply is another bump to the top.
[Nexus 7 General] cdf3:
So obviously you have no concrete information as to how to help those that have a product not working as good as others. Your cure is for us to get rid of it, and leave you alone.

My advice for you would be to not reply in a thread that doesn't interest you. That way, you won't have to worry about receiving notifications. It's not just the people in this thread. Check the web. There are numerous users having issues with their Nexus in hopes of finding a cure. I found some viable information from this thread, which I hope will fix my issues. Meanwhile yours was not one of them.
[Nexus 7 General] TheNerd:]:
Mine's working great. I'm very spartan with my tablet. Close every single app the second I leave it. I also clean my files every 5 days and I wipe system/data/cache/dalvik every install. I'm no flashaholic, if it ain't broke don't fix it

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I have like 5 user apps installed
[Nexus 7 General] feralcat:
Love my N7. Stock rooted, great battery life and so far as handled everything I've thrown at it.

Sent from my Carbonized Infuse S4.