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[General Accessories] vectron:
Oh absolutely, please post a picture and a link to that watch!!!!!

Regarding Sony SW2, I also read they are going with BT 3.0 instead of low power BT 4.0?!? That is really strange considering you want to preserve battery any way you can. I only seen a few hands'on review of SW2 and that yesterday straight from Asia EXPO where people just showed it in their hand and clicked a few buttons. I have a feeling it will last at least a day with heavy usage, but if you start getting more into app (like that camera screen capture, etc.) - you will be depleting battery at a more rapid rate. A positive things, they changed the display lens so you can view the watch in direct sunlight, and standard micro-usb connector was kept (which also means not full water submersion, and only water splash resistance). Either way, I spoke with Sony PR team and on a waiting list to receive review sample, hopefully by September release. If they will keep their promise, I will write in-depth review on XDA for Sony SW2. I hate to base my opinion from reading someone else's review.

I think Sep/Oct/Nov going to be a very exciting time for Smart Watches because we are going to see next gen Sony SW2, Kreyos, and a new MetaWatch. Hopefully I will be able to review all of them and have a more comprehensive comparison.
[General Accessories] general forceps:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qvhJA9uObPJ_6pR7CJFZr_euuFKXALJ0Gli8EY82C_c=w160-h213-p-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0EOcw7SnKrAdmYoDA6y6K4FjQ6qbtMchlIMDV42REEM=w155-h207-p-no

This is really messy (I cannot upload from desktop), I hope you can see the stuff.

Note the smart BT headset this watch features, embedded in the watch itself.

When receiving a call you just pull the earpiece out.

It works. To me it's a winning gimmick.

Thoughts?

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Pics are too little...anyways, the standard usb connection sits at the end of the band, right at the top of my thumb.
[General Accessories] vectron:
Would probably help if you can tell us who makes it so I can look up original vendor spec and pics on their website. Thanks!
[General Accessories] RedRamage:
I do have to say that I'm a bit disappointed with the charging setup of the MetaWatch. Having to use extra bulky clips is a bit annoying. This is one area where I think Pebble did a great job: A magnetic charger... just "sticks" on the side. Of course the down side is that they have less room for buttons. The other downside is it's still a proprietary setup.

Ideally I want a micro-usb port that I can plug any micro-usb cable into. But the downside with that is that I'm sure it compromises water resistance.

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MY first concern would be replacement of the band when/if broken or worn out. The other problem is that this setup requires a usb port. Now, there days many charges comes as plug in adapter that has a usb port on it, and then they just provide a usb to micro-usb cable so it wouldn't be too hard to find a small portable charger.

Again, I'd still lean towards a micro-usb plug in the watch if it could be done without compromising water resistance, which I suspect would be hard to do.
[General Accessories] general forceps:
Chinese merchandise. Trashed the box, no visible branding on the case. 'MOBILE WATCH' is all it says.

But it works pretty well.

I've googled it every possible way and cannot find a trace.

Chinese have so many SKUs....working surprisingly well.

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You gotta love the embedded earpiece feature though.... industry standard 10 years from now, mark my words.
[General Accessories] vectron:
I agree, it is a pain to be dependent on proprietary power connector, but either magnetic or clip - that's the only way to keep it fully water resistant. I'm not planning to submerge it 165ft under water :) but for sure it was nice to wear this watch in the rain without a sweating a bullet. Take for instance Sony, micro-usb connector but also a lot of complaints from people getting it wet under the rain or water splash and it stops working. Now with they new announcement of SW2, micro-usb connector stays but they also certified the watch as "water splash" resistant; probably a better seal around the glass and the button, and tighter fit/seal of micro-usb plug on the side.

Regarding clip versus magnetic, I would think clip will have a better contact due to less interference with magnetic field, and less wear'n'tear of contacts which is hard to avoid by nature of magnetic connection.

So MetaWatch, Pebble, and upcoming Kreyos are all in the same boat with proprietary connectors, while Sony is sticking with micro-usb.

Btw, you might find this interesting. In another thread about Sony LiveView MN800 (sold for $19 now on ebay), this guy made a solar wrist band to change up his watch. Might be interesting to try something like that with MetaWatch and some way to make a flat sticky connector going to the solar band: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=42513486&postcount=16
[General Accessories] vectron:
Thank you for a great write-up rEVOLVE! I assume you are running FW 1.35 with CE? How come you don't like NE? From what I read NE is CE code with a few adjustments on top of it. I had a chance to run FW 1.4 and that one works lighting fast with original latest MW Manager, but as you aware MWM is still very limited. Using fw 1.4 with NE caused a lot of problems which is also expected since CE/NE was optimized for FW 1.35. I really hope official MWM will implement all the functionality of CE/NE. Until then, we are stuck with fw 1.35.

Regarding battery life, I have every notification enabled and with POP3, 2 IMAP and Exchange accounts - I get a lot of buzzing on my wrist. I also like to use it to control music. With all that I get close to 2 days of use.

Extra charging clips are available, but currently only Strata one is in stock, and developers clip (with JTAG connection) for FRAME.
[General Accessories] tgtoys:
I wouldn't be surprised if you could create a Tasker profile that would allow notifications for certain keywords or people only. I know Tasker (and similar programs) can even recognize keywords in a text message to execute an action, so I certainly see this being possible. I'll try to look into it a little more...
[General Accessories] vectron:
For benefit of other MW users, I just got a reply from MetaWatch guys and they explained to me that Hardware version F is the latest one. E and G refers to TI MCU rev which required some software fix, while F version already has fix in the chip. Kind of strange that its E, G, and then F.

Also, another neat trick. Hook up your watch to usb with a clip, just like when you flash the firmware, go to Hyperterminal (or whatever you are using) and with setting of 115200, 8, N, 1 - you can see all the serial communication messages from the watch. Do soft reset with left/right middle buttons, and it comes up with FW version, hardware built, and other system messages. Neat stuff ;)
[General Accessories] Str0ntium:
Why don't they just make an adapter that would be like a secondary micro usb input, but not so bulky? i.e. instead of the clip, a little adapter with the pins on a flat side, micro usb female on perpendicular side.. no compromise in the watch's waterproofing. Can use any normal micro usb charger (within specs, of course). Seems simple. Just seems like they didn't think it out moreso than trying to be proprietary.
[General Accessories] vectron:
Oh, you guys have to check out this new upcoming product which takes smartwatch to a level of phone-watch with that exact usb hidden into wrist band, among a hundred other things they cramped into this watch: http://coolpile.com/gadgets-magazine/neptune-pine-smartwatch-wrist-smartphone/

And the main webpage with detailed info about it: http://www.neptunepine.com/product.html
[General Accessories] vectron:
Fantastic REVIEW!!! Awesome job!!! I see a lot of advantages over MetaWatch, all driven by a better software/app support due to it's popularity. Thanks man!
[General Accessories] opasha:
Thank you, bro. Glad to be of help!! :D
[General Accessories] Str0ntium:
Pebble is hitting retail on Sunday, at Best Buy. Damn. May have to pick one up.
[General Accessories] vectron:
Yeah, I saw that announcement as well. I wonder if the price going to be even lower than kickstarter since they are selling in volumes now?
[General Accessories] opasha:
Here's more info I found: http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/02/pebble-lands-at-best-buy/

July 7 for $150 (same kickstarter price it seems)
[General Accessories] vectron:
Hmm, sounds kind of pricey. I thought they will offer it closer to $100 price tag due to volume discount. What is bizarre, I have a few friends who pre-ordered these back in January and 6+ months later still didn't receive their watch, while BB going to have it for sale this weekend.
[General Accessories] opasha:
Yeah, that's the problem with the backorders. There were so many complaints in the forums about that, particularly for the colored ones because they were made later. I'm actually surprised that it's still this long, but the demand for them is quite high since it's one of the newer watches on the market. I really am looking forward to the ones that go above and beyond the three main watches.
[General Accessories] LuvinN1:
Can you expand on this please? What is TI MCU?

I have h/w version E. After reading this thread, i asked for assistance over a week ago to support about hardware versions and this is the response I received “The HW rev doesn't actually mean anything, it's just a way we track production batches. There's no difference between them". Now this response is different to the response you have stated. Do you know of any fix to get it working like h/w F? Do you know what fixes were made?

I still can't seem to answer and end calls with my watch. I also can't get music controls to work.

The support team thinks it has to do with community edition and/or Noah edition but people here seem to have these simple functions working from the apps mentioned. Any help is much appreciated.

Cheers.
[General Accessories] vectron:
MCU refers to your micro-controller unit, the processor from TI.

Which firmware version are you using? v1.35 or v1.4? It's very common for microchip/asic companies to release "errata" with some problems they found and corresponding fixes. A lot of the time, the problem is just some register which is not initialized in a right away. Already released devices will need a new firmware to set the register bit to a correct state. Newer device will have it set by default to init to a correct register bit and doesn't require firmware upgrade (the change is 'hardwired' already). From what I understand, E and G version need that firmware upgrade and I'm not sure if it was implemented in v1.35 or v1.4. Version F can work with either version of firmware because it will come up by default in a correct state.

Now with all that said, I don't even know what was the correction, and if it was significant enough to justify problem you are seeing. Music/call handling is not firmware, it's your application code. I would try to talk to MetaWatch guys and asked them for the latest beta of v1.4 (the one I have is kind of old). Try that to see if your problems will go away. One thing to keep in mind, NE/CE Manager was optimized for v1.35, and they don't play nice with v1.4 of firmware. But if you can get the latest v1.4 and try the latest original MW Manager - it should work for you. If it doesn't, then you have a valid case to ask for replacement ;)
[General Accessories] LuvinN1:
Thanks Vecton for the detailed explanation.

At the moment I am running vers 1.35. I will try to get my hands on 1.40 and see if that helps.
[General Accessories] vectron:
If you don't hear back from them any time soon, with this being 4th of july weekend, pm me with your email so I can send you v1.4 I have.
[General Accessories] vectron:
Drove by Best Buy today, they said Pebble was sold out within 1hr it went on sale yesterday. Sales guy mentioned some were buying without even knowing exactly what it does, just a buzzword of "smartwatch" lol!!!
[General Accessories] Str0ntium:
I seriously considered being there at opening to snag one. But, seeing as I'm going to be buying a decent lens next week I decided to wait a while. I've been buying too many toys, lately. Although, I would find that watch very functional for work.
[General Accessories] vectron:
If you can wait, just watch all the new releases in the next 2-3 months. Pebble is already kind of outdated considering it was designed last year. But if you need to buy something right now, Pebble would be the best candidate because of the amount of users and software support.
[General Accessories] vectron:
I wanted to post a little update/comment. Since I have been using MetaWatch for over a month now, I really can't imagine my Note 2 being complete without it. This goes not just for MW but in general the concept of smartwatch and how it becomes an extension of your phone. But there was one thing bothering me since I had to run a bunch of apps in order to get notifications from all of my POP3/IMAP/Exchange email accounts. I know everybody has different priorities for notifications and some might only care about GMail. For me, I need to have access to all of my 4 different email accounts, and with my original setup it was a bit convoluted since I had to use K-9 and Touch Down HD, and both of those apps contributed to draining of my battery.

Finally, I got a chance to explore a full potential of Augmented SmartWatch Pro app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alk.k9) and now I don't need K-9 and Touch Down anymore. The level of notification config in that app is insane. Everything from emails to social networking and any other app you have installed on the phone - you can configure in details. What I also like is that it has a Quiet Time option to set start/stop time for weekdays and weekend when you don't want your notifications to buzz in. And the best is that it's not specific to MetaWatch only, but covers Pebble, Sony, MotoACVT, and other smartwatch. Excellent support from a developer as well. For me, being able to receive Exchange notifications triggered from Samsung's built in email client without a need for 3rd party app - is priceless :)
[General Accessories] aeron16:
Just to share the latest official 1.4 firmware for metawatch is out along with v1.1 of the Metawatch Manager App for Android.
[General Accessories] vectron:
Awesome! Thanks for the update, gonna check it out now! I just wish NE will update their support for v1.4. But who knows, maybe with new tweaks in v1.1 (or future releases) of MWM - all the NE functionality will be integrated in there? If I can only get Augmented Pro notification with FW v1.1 and MWM v1.1, I will be very happy!!! And also to be able to have music control where you can start playing from your watch (like in NE music player config option).
[General Accessories] vectron:
Back to NE Manager and FW1.35...

Based on my testing with Note 2 right now, new MetaWatch Manter v1.1 update only added 3 new 4Q faces (clock with fishes, clock with MetaWatch zig-zag, and some Japaneses symbols clock). Calendar no longer works and can't display current or future events. Nothing else has changed. Still limited like it was before. And firmware update v1.4 still doesn't work with NE Manager. So, I'm rolling back to FW 1.35 and back to using NE Manager with all my widgets, apps, and music control.

Once MWM will integrate functionality of NE Manager - that will be something to get excited about. Sorry, as much as I love my MetaWatch and use it everyday - for me it's only beneficial with FW1.35 and NE Manager for now. Just my humble opinion...
[General Accessories] rEVOLVE:
I'm tempted to update to 1.4FW, but not if it means re-introducing problems w/ not being compatible w/ MWCE (I prefer over NE for now).

They finally delivered my white Pebble - this thing is built like a toy compared to the Metawatch. Metawatch Frame feels like a proper watch build, while the Pebble's fit and finish feels like a cheaper cereal box giveaway in comparison. The buttons on the Pebble seem "looser" - maybe because it's plastic vs metal (like comparing iPhone finish to Samsung Galaxy - I have both, BTW and prefer my Note 2).

Funcionally, the Pebble beats what the Metawatch can do, though. The music control never worked right on my Frame, but that's less important to me than the other stuff it already does. My main use for my smartwatch is having more info "glanceable", which means i turn my wrist and see the info I want w/o pressing a button (why I hated the Sony, don't want to have to "wake up" the display). At a glance info is lacking on the Pebble - I don't care about fancy watchfaces, I care that I can look at my watch and get the current info w/o touching it: time, date, next appointment, phone battery level, weather forecast - maybe once I find that kind of watchface that can duplicate that info from the Metawatch, I can be happy.

I'm pretty underwhelmed after enjoying my Metawatch Frame for so long, now I feel like "what was I waiting for?". Might just return the Pebble and order a white Frame.
[General Accessories] opasha:
Just get PEBBLE GLANCE app. If you look at my pictures, you'll see the watchface/app - it provides all that info you mentioned. It has calendar option, sms option, alarm option, and tasker options as well. It's very convenient.
[General Accessories] vectron:
Yep, heard other MW users talk about Glance app on MetaWatch forum :) Sounds like the way to go with Pebble.

I don't have Frame, but rather Strata which is more like 90's looking watch, but it's super durable and waterproof (use it in a pool all the time). I used to have a lot of at-a-glance stuff, but now just care about time/date, phone battery, and current and next 3-day weather. Never head an issue with Music Player, just make sure to select Media Control Method in Watch apps with "emulate headset buttons - winamp, and other players). Works perfect with MW controlling Note 2. Obviously see the incoming call number or read full sms is not a problem. With email, I just care to see notification about new message arrival and who is it from - that is handled by Augmented SmartWatch pro app which works for MW, Pebble, Sony, and others. I got rid off K-9, Touchdown, and Executive Assistant for now to save Note 2 battery life (was draining a bit too much). Now with just MW NE app and Augmented SW Pro, I'm back to a normal battery drain :)
[General Accessories] rEVOLVE:
Thanks Opasha, I've seen Glance and will investigate further. What I'm trying to duplicate is the content I have on my Frame that is always displaying that I've mentioned on my Pebble. I searched in vain last night for a way to include the phone's battery life on the Pebble watchface so I can monitor my Note 2's battery. I found a watchface that -kind of- duplicates the default MW views, but they're not so customizable like you can do w/ the MW. Time, Date, next appointment, phone battery level, and next few days of weather is all I'm looking for, but so far can't find a watchface that would allow all that info to always display on the Pebble. Heck, I haven't figured out how to find out what the Pebble's own battery level is yet.

Vectron - I realized my Note2 might actually have avrcp issues, so probably not my MW. Even loaded the latest Beans ROM, but the Auris bluetooth to 30-pin adapter I just got won't let my car steering wheel controls change the track on my Note 2 when I'm in the car through this. The Auris does APT-X, though and the sound quality is way better than the Cablejive adapter I was using previously.
[General Accessories] opasha:
unfortunately, from what i have seen and researched, there is no implementation yet to monitor/see the battery level of both the pebble and the Note 2 on the pebble. hopefully, someone figures it out and adds to it. go to http://www.mypebblefaces.com/ for all watch faces if you don't know of it already. the one thing i really like about the metawatch frame is how professional it looks. i wish the pebble has some silver/chrome accents. i really like the look of the white frame.
[General Accessories] vectron:
Just wanted to mention that I should be receiving and will post a review of FRAME version of MetaWatch smart watch soon. FRAME is a contemporary and more traditional looking version with a replaceable watchband in comparison to STRATA which is more sporty/outdoor active user model.
[General Accessories] irule9000:
How do you think this will compare to the kreyos meteor? http://igg.me/at/kreyos/x/2749354 Im thinking the meteor will be better but it seems a little thick. Does anyone have an issue with the size of the metawatch?
[General Accessories] vectron:
Hard to tell about Kreyos. I'm very intrigued with their product as well, but here is a deal. Metawatch is a mature product with lots of firmware updates and community supported management app. Plus, MW guys told me a lot more updates are around the corner. Kreyos looks great on a paper but I will believe it when I see it, when they are going to start shipping the product (remember, it took Pebble over a year to start shipping, and firmware/software was half baked for awhile). There are a few other smartwatches that collected kickstarter money and I can't even get a hold of them to reply back about the status of their product (which sounds almost like a vaporware). So at the current moment if you can't wait and you want something that will have a functionality of a watch with additional "smart" features, Metawatch and Pebble are your best choices. But if you can wait a few months, it will get interesting with Sony SW2, Kreyos, and possible announcements of Samsung (upcoming September revealing of Note 3 and possible SW) and iWatch.

Regarding thickness, I think they are all on par with Casio's G-Shock watches :) I personally got so used to my STRATA, hardly even notice it. So STRATA to FRAME will be an interesting comparison since I believe FRAME is a bit trimmer and looks more like a traditional watch.
[General Accessories] opasha:
Agreed. Also, guys, remember, don't get fooled by kreyos' website. Those are all computer graphics put on the watch and the commercial. The display is exactly like the pebble. The thickness of the watchband and how the piece fits into it makes it quite ugly and cheap looking. That's just my personal opinion, however. Just look at these images from CNET. They were given a watch to test. I wasn't too impressed after seeing these:

http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-34900_7-10017662.html
[General Accessories] vectron:
CNET officially lost all of its credibility. No wonder they got kicked out of CES for good. They took a bunch of pictures (which are not flattering at all), and listed all the features from Kreyos website. Where is info about what works (and how) and what doesn't? I'm not doubting Kreyos, but I think any smart watch company primary goal is to deliver hardware, and then work on polishing the software or like Pebble get enough money to hire software developers to catch up or like MetaWatch wait until hackers make their own software. That is why I'm not so sure all the features promised by Kreyos will be readily available the day of the release. I would love to be proven wrong, and there is a slight chance I might get a demo unit for review. But for now, we just have to wait and see...
[General Accessories] vectron:
Review of MetaWatch FRAME smart watch with lots of pics!!!

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[General Accessories] opasha:
The Frame looks amazing bro! Very nice pics. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I wish the display was a bit more crisp with better font, etc. It reminds me of a Casio calculator in terms of display. However, the exterior of this watch is hands down the best out right now. I love the metal finishes - it's very sophisticated :).