yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tonhao12:
minor issue ?

Hello everyone!

I am really satisfied with this kernel, though haven't pushed it to the limit yet but first impression is really good. One thing i noticed using your kernel along with cm 10.1 is that waking up the phone take a lit bit more time than with other kernel (e.g. iodak's). Not a big deal but i think it can be improved, if i am not misunderstanding iodak himself said in his thread something about scale quickly to a higher frequency upon a power button press and then screen is brought back quicker.

Thanks & Best regards,
[LG Optimus 4X HD] eric1116:
my liquidsmooth rom test 3d is 2820 and databse is 565. not bad at all.:D
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tool_king:
Could you please stop begging like a little child again and again? If demetris_I wants to make a stock version, he will do, if not he won't do. Quite simple. But no need to get on his nerves, mate! :eek:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
Don't worry, I'm done :) I agree its his choice, just letting him know that at least one person is interested. VERY interested :p But I will now desist as like you say there's no point winding him up about it, I've had my fun :D if features keep coming at this pace I may be forced to go to cm10.1 eventually :o

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] mario.gacv:
14595 o.O my o4x simply flies!!! Thanks demetris_l for your awesome job! I also noticed the difference with the audio quality its a little bit better thank you so much!
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
Actually I'm using cm now only for demetris kernel... If demetris start doing for stock, I go back to stock...

I sacrifices my mhl using cm only because I like primes kernel

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@demetris_l yesterday my phone at low battery becomes incredible unresponsive, even trying to wake up the screen it takes like a minute to wake up... I raise up freqs, as and nothing, rebooted like 6 times and nothing, the only solution was flashing stock cm kernel again... I think that it was the one X lmk or memory timings that you put because the frequencies was at top and the phone was unresponsive like hell...

Thanks you for your work

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
Next time could you please provide a logcat? Thanks
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
I don't know how to make logcat, but I will find the way

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
In terminal: logcat > /sdcard/logcat.txt

Or just use any logcat app from Google play

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] phynix5800:
I'm having this issue as well but only in the camera app. Instead of the usual white flashing of the screen when you hit the shutter release, the overlay is kinda garbled and not smoothly displayed.

Otherwise nice kernel, I'm impressed!

Btw I'm getting only 11.200 in Antutu with latest CM stable and nightly, performance gov and ROW scheduler.

EDIT: I have gotten this score 3 times but I just ran it again and got 14.400, so never mind.

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] Kanad:
Dear Dev,

I can confirm that the camera picture quality has gone down drastically on 2.41 compared to previous kernels, i have tested this practically whole day with cm stock camera and stock lg camera ported to cm10.1. Please look into it. On your github i can only see following commit related to camera which could be source for error.

https://github.com/Ntemis/lge-kernel-p880/commit/3744bac0f0543201312cfc82e384c7a6fc411ced

Also camera flickers weirdly while taking pictures.

Regards,

Kanad
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
Done! :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] varadinum:
I use camera 4.3.It works smoothly.

Thanks
[LG Optimus 4X HD] ectoplasma22:
Hi, I could you please add the feature of "fast charge" in your kernel please?

Btw, excellent kernel with great battery life but i also have a camera issue with this kernel
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
Fixed, as soon as i finish with several rom updates i have for today i will release 2.42 with fixed camera.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] sPEADy:
He is going to upload the new version later today. If you kindly Read this Page where you posted your question.

Like what I said hit " Thanks" Button.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tonhao12:
I also noticed that sometimes performance slows down dramatically like if it was locked in low frequency (configuration is kernel's default). I also noticed that it seems to happen when my carrier signal is very low or is definitely gone (signal oscillates a lot here).

The slow down occured while i was playing candy crush...

I am using cm 10.1, with other kernels never had this problem, even with previous version of optimus prime.

Best regards,
[LG Optimus 4X HD] ectoplasma22:
Sorry i had a bug, I thought my post had not been posted.

Anyway thanks Demetris_I and please excuse me

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I also notice that sometimes while playing a game the performance slows down and the game becomes unplayable :confused:

That's strange since except this everything is working perfectly and lag free.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] sPEADy:
No Problem its all right.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] KiD3991:
Can an option to choose how much Core should be running added? Our device is so badass two core seemed more than enough(although we also have the two core end up as one bug). I usually run 1.5 single in iodak, but I really liked the features in this kernel too.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
As promised V2.42 is released ;)

Enjoy.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] emplokeas:
Jim i wiped cashe and installed 2.42...camera sgill doesn't work.... Plz any advice??? Einai o pio gamatos kernel btw....
[LG Optimus 4X HD] masmoe:
Working in here.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
What is the difference between v2.41 and v2.42?

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] nikosblade:
1 page back. Pure reading skills.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
Ah thanks, sorry, I've asked because I couldn't find the answer by my self anyway I didn't have anny issues with camera...

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] nikosblade:
Dont ask sorry its ok, it was just in the previous page. :o
[LG Optimus 4X HD] davidchang88:
i installed this camara instead

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2342210

it works perfectly with cyanogen 10.1.2 stable and OP 2.42 kernel. it also has the awesome photosphere function as well as much sharper focus as well as a nicer interface i find.

the instructions to install are as such

1- go to /system/app and delete gallery2.apk (you may need an app like root explorer or es file explorer for this)

2- Insert 4.3 Camera apk in /system/app

3- Reboot

4- Install the 4.3 Camera apk in the system/app folder
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
I found that GPU speeds from oneX are a little bit low because I facing low fps on mc4 and vector that is a heavy 2d game... With the freqs at 550mhz or up the game moves a lot better, GPU affects to much battery life?

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
So....

Please could someone try to beat this also :eek:

Note that i also played a 3d Game for some minutes. :cool:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] chasepoes:
Which ROM are you using?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dimi89:
No...NOO it cant be....Now i must find that rom-flash it and install new kernel and again install all my apps :facepalm:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] sPEADy:
Inapporpriate information :p:D (lolololol) you should also tell us what rom you are using. BTW will this beat my results which I have posted in your Carbon Rom section :p
[LG Optimus 4X HD] indoko:
+1

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] dimi89:
sorry double post :(
[LG Optimus 4X HD] AdiSimpson:
nothing special, with good battery und fully loaded its something like 105%. i can also do something before it drops under 100%
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
Normaly I need 150% battery charge to match that... Or the new flat shape stark generator for phones...

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] Zhus06:
+1

TELL US WHICH ROM, areyou using demetris? :D
[LG Optimus 4X HD] jigga027:
Did u wipe chache or just flashed

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Soo plss has this method worked for anyone.???
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
I will not promote any individual rom, because:

All Roms have individual features tailored for any taste. Only you, the user can try and decide what suits your needs as an android Operating System.Overall, all roms have their fanatic followers so the choice should and always be yours.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] ectoplasma22:
I understand that you do not want to tell us what rom you're on but please can you tell us which settings and what configuration of governor and scheduler you are using?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Hallako:
Anyone else having problem today downloading from goo.im?

I've tried 30 times always corrupted file and very slow download.

And now when i posted i could download it ....
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
Sure,
[LG Optimus 4X HD] ectoplasma22:
Thanks I'll try and report :D
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dimi89:
Wheatly+ROW ? can someone translate this to me :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] phynix5800:
Wheatley = CPU governor (modified ondemand)

ROW = I/O scheduler

Both can be set in the CM performance settings.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
I will try this settings, before was on demand + row and was great on stock 4.2.2

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] dimi89:
and what rom demetris was using ? CM 10.1 or jellybear ?

P.S. is V2.42 fixed for stock JB rom ?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] thiagodm:
I hate to come to forums to cry, but i really lost the camera with 2.42. Tried everything I did read here. Stock camera, 4.3 camera and 3rd cameras app won't work. I also wiped cache
[LG Optimus 4X HD] phynix5800:
The camera is fine for me, the flickering when taking pictures remains though.

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] Kanad:
+1
[LG Optimus 4X HD] varadinum:
Let's start again.

Recovery

Wipe cache

Advanced---wipe dalvik cache

Reboot*

Download android 4.3 camera apk.

Save to external sd card

root explorer--- /system/app---delete gallery2.apk

insert 4.3 Camera apk in /system/app

Reboot*

install the android 4.3 camera apk from external sd card

enjoy
[LG Optimus 4X HD] chasepoes:
I did not ask for a promotional sales pitch :) and I know all ROM's have their own benefits and drawbacks. I'm just curious on which ROM you got the great battery results.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] davidchang88:
try cm10.1.2 stable. clean user data n flash the rom then flash OP 2.42 and if camera still gives you problems install 4.3 camera.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] biggoof75:
Hi there.. Good Work.. Love the kernel..

Unfortunately I also have the flickering when using the camera...

CM 10.1.2 with camera 4.3 and kernel 2.42
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
After kernel has settle a little bit i thought to re-bench to see how is going ;)

Also V2.43 is uploading with hopefully fixed camera flickering so test and report.

Gracias.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
Gracias a ti bro

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
Just tried gangstar Vegas with this kernel. It lags more than stock but not like before. If anyone can get CM up to speed its you

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] Hallako:
4.3 android cam working no flicker. Photosphere FC gallery. Probably just the 4.3 cam.

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] ilan_75:
Everything is ok for me.

Camera work now without flickering.

RR3 didn't lag with 520mhz GPU.

Good work. :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] varadinum:
On slimbeam and kernel 2.4.3 GPS works flawlessly. In 3-5 seconds, all satellites are there. Great

Thanks

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] biggoof75:
No flickering for me any more ..

2.43 kernel

THX..
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Kanad:
Camera back to normal....thanx :).... Battery life testing started see you after 7 days....

Regards,

Kanad
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
Demetris, what is your recomended flash procedure?... full battery? wike o format something? any ritual? with candles, and a virgin sacrifice?...
[LG Optimus 4X HD] emplokeas:
Camera works flawlessly... Lol about baterry life... See!! This is after playing 45 mins 2k13.....but the truth is that the game is so power hungry......when not playing heavy games the battery is wonderfull.... :):):):):):):D
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
:eek:... 2 weeks of battery hahahahahah

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] emplokeas:
Lol..nope.. Its is greek... 2hours....:D
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dimi89:
LOL :D I think wiping catche is enought but also i may be wrong :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
No wipe needed when flashing kernels.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
I ask you because I'm having a big drain, I only use whatsapp and no running apps in background...

Only 3G on , not using WiFi or GPS, NFC off, and the jb clock in the updating every 6 hours...

Also using ondemand+row, weathley drains it more... Anyway this night I test again with weathley+row... No underclock and no apps to set any special change on freqs, lmk or undervolt

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] chasepoes:
I had the same issue. Using BetterBattery and Wakeloxk detecter I eventually found the culprit.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
And what process do you find ?

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] chasepoes:
For me it turned out to be 'One More ClockWidget' and Tweedle. Now I'm running close to 9 hours and battery is at 55%, with moderate use
[LG Optimus 4X HD] phynix5800:
I would like to report a bug: it happened two times since I'm using 2.43 that the phone didn't awake from screen off state completely. The lights of the soft buttons went on like normal, but the screen remained black when I hit the power button. I had to cut off the power for the screen to come back on. I repeatedly pressed the button with the same effect.

I also noticed that it takes a little longer for the phone to wake up than usual.

I'm on CM 10.1.2.

EDIT: I never had this issue on any other kernel.

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] DankoFGL:
hmm... i only use whatsapp, it says that the process that drains more is Google Backup Transport, so i disable google contacts backup, and others that i don't use very often, only lead calendar, gmail...
[LG Optimus 4X HD] wajahebat:
Google Backup Transport is also one service that runs heavily in background....

Im using System Tuner Pro, explore the event tab under GoogleServicesFramework, disable the gtalk service and gtalk diagnostic...
[LG Optimus 4X HD] chasepoes:
What's the difference between the free and the pro version?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] wajahebat:
Not sure as im using the pro version since first time....i find this app quite more detailed than others
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Hallako:
I have too problem waking screen happens to me every time though it came when I flashed acid audio mod

With carbon rom.

Solved by reflash rom.

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] chasepoes:
Wakelocks depend very much on the apps you installed. Wakelockdetector (among others) is a good app to use and determine what is keeping your phone from deep-sleep.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
Optimus V2.44 uploaded.

Enjoy.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tool_king:
Thank you! What's new?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
See OP post #2
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tool_king:
Oh, you've updated post #2 in the meantime. ;)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] alberteske:
Broadcom Wifi Firmware update package

Thanks demetris!

One question please: is it like the base band that you only flash once or do we need to flash it each time? :confused:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] fire3d:
thank you so much dementris!

regards
[LG Optimus 4X HD] noppoer2:
Is it possible to create a stock version of this kernel, i would very appriciate tath!!
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tool_king:
This question was already posted about 10 times here in this thread. So show a bit of respect and don't hassle the developer again and again. If he wants to build a stock version, he will do it, and if he doesn't want to, he won't. Quite simple, isn't it?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
[MENTION=4442811]noppoer2[/MENTION] doesn't read before he posts :P I do have a sensible suggestion about this matter. A stock port for every stable release, the "nightlies" must take enough work as it is :) all his choice of course ;)

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] davidchang88:
yipee glad that we have reached a final version of this wonderful kernel

great job demetris
[LG Optimus 4X HD] WillySonicteam:
The stock rom JB vs demetris Kernel, 240 points of difference... the cm need optimize the 3d???
[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
Yes, CM 3D performance is very bad

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] noppoer2:
Yes i read the tread before i ask questions but this time i thought if i ask it too maby he wil create a stock version because so many people asked!
[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
I propose a poll if enough people are interested, saves spamming this thread

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] tool_king:
It just matters if demetris_l is interested. Seems to be hard to unterstand for you whining stock guys. :D
[LG Optimus 4X HD] milossimon:
I forgot the last time i charged the phone :) im on slim bean and this kernel ....i used only for browsing, caling and texting
[LG Optimus 4X HD] JoinTheRealms:
[MENTION=860173]demetris[/MENTION]_l im not very knowledgable on kernels but what would would making this kernel compatible with stock firmware require? does it require compiling with a different defconfig, and if so what one is suitable? and i assume i can just use a random stock ramdisk from some other kernel?

Im not really concerned with having this kernel stock compatible personally but cant complain with more choice lol

cheers mate
[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
Main thing is the ramdisk, I would try myself if I had a Linux machine

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] chasepoes:
Ok, this will probably be the dummest question ever..And I've searched, but could not find the answer....How do I take screenshots with the P880?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] wajahebat:
By pressing " PowerButton + VolDown Button "
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Fladder72:
Try Power+VolDown...
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tool_king:
That depends on your ROM, not on the kernel afaik.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
Not strictly true, kholks kernel had to use a different screenshot implementation because of some coding issue, so the kernel has an influence too ;)

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
Optimus Prime V2.45 Released.

I was dissatisfied with how wifi was performing, so pushed some patches for it.

I hope for the best :)

Test and report.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] phynix5800:
With this kernel I'm having the "status bar coming down when trying to unlock the screen on first try" issue again. I had it before on stock CM and it vanished with EternityProject kernel.

It happens often and is somewhat annoying.

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] indoko:
I'm having the same issue with last version of demetris kernel and carbon rom. I hope demetris can fix it :)

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] Maczuga:
I've noticed an usb folder in storage. I dunno if it's recent kernel or CM change (nightly), but if it's kernel one, then it's still not working.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] ArmadiloDS:
Arararagi PLS!!! :crying:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] phynix5800:
I have to say, battery life is just totally sick on this kernel! Having used the EternityProject one for most of the time, it feels like the battery capacity has doubled :D.

I'm very much liking this kernel so far, thank you demetris_l for your work!

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] hippow:
What for settings do you use on trickster mod?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] phynix5800:
What is trickster mod? ;)

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] hippow:
ah we dont need it^^ do you use ondemand or a other governor?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] phynix5800:
Yeah I'm using ondemand and I'm very happy with it. On the other kernel I was using interactive though, as ondemand was strangely lagging - this probably had an impact on battery life as well.

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] KhaledAbdo:
have some small questions .. that might be a bit dumb :)

- flashing new ROMs will wipe out the installed Kernel , right?

- flashing a new kernel or an update for it, must I wipe everything (cache/dalvik/data) ?

- for this specific kernel, does it work with every ROM around, or only CM10.1?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tool_king:
1. Yes.

2. No, just cache and maybe dalvik.

3. Only CM10.1 based.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Voltaine:
Ive got an issue with v2.45

Sometimes the phone gets extremely lagy like if it was stuck on the lockscreen frequency

Makes it unusable. Then i have to restart and most of the time the issue occurs shortly after again

Im using revolt rom
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
Check your battery temps, system is protecting it from overheat.

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
Temp throttle skin is far too low by default. 50° is a good value. LG made it so it throttles before IR actually reaches the value too ;)

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] Voltaine:
I dont think its the battery

Im outside and the battery is always around 30°C

Reverted to v2.44 and everything is fine again
[LG Optimus 4X HD] gingerboy92:
simply a question, does this kernel support zram? i see that it cannot be activated but /dev/block/zram0 does exist and there are no interface to tick on the setting page. how to enable it?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] profyler:
Is this kernel based on LG stock kernel?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
Yes, enable it with trickster mod kernel settings

No, Cyanogenmod

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] gingerboy92:
doesn't work, even tried to enable it manually through terminal,

swapon: /dev/block/zram0: Function not implemented
[LG Optimus 4X HD] profyler:
And Cyanogenmod kernel is based on Lg stock kernel ? (sorry for dumb question)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] tool_king:
Read! Read a lot! Then come again! :banghead:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] @non4:
Its built from LG sources, but with its own changes to ramdisk and other things that make it compatible with CM10.1. These changes are big enough to make it no longer compatible with stock. So yes and no, depending on how you look at it ;) as [MENTION=517218]toolking[/MENTION] says you need to read some stuff, but bottom line is do not use it on stock. If a kernel supports stock it will have a separate stock version you need to use

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] Demetris:
Y? You need zram?

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[LG Optimus 4X HD] profyler:
thank you very much, im looking for a new kernel for my Cyanogenmod ROM, coz original CM is giving me very bad deep sleep time:

In 3 hours (after unplug from charger), i had only 1:20 deep sleep even when i had only used 25 mins of use. :mad:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] gingerboy92:
well, not really, but it's there, so I was wondering if it works. :P

btw, I think the sudden random lags reported are somehow related to the memory management, after using google navigation for a while, the phone lags and responded very slow. at the same time the free memory went from 600+ to 300+MB, I'm on slimbean.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] dimi89:
See under -kernel wakelock and partial wakelock what is keeping your phone from deep sleep.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Cuniek:
Got same issue. I think thats related to temperature of our phone. Im playing Ingress - this game requires gps + data + screen + high cpu usage. After few minutes with sunny weather phone becomes unusable.

Im using Iodak kernel now, and can use phone without problems in such conditions.

Maybe some tweaks to max. temperature will help ?