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[One (M7) General] erik111111:
Well that does look bad. If that is the best of 5 then really bad. The top of your image is blurred to hell. The only times I have seen that, they exchanged the camera and the problem went away. If your One blurs the top of the frame like that, they I am not surprised you don't like it. I wouldn't either. Mine doesn't exhibit that at all.

Other than the top blur, I don't think there is a problem. Ths s2 image was taken in much more favorable light conditions. The One picture judging by the shadow was taken with the sun directly overhead and obviously with the sun glaring directly into the camera. Moving a couple feet would likely take care of that glare. The S2 picture the trees are closer, yet they still are a smeary mess, so I don't know why you think they are sharp.
[One (M7) General] devinthomas:
I find myself snapping less photos when I'm out and about because I just don't think it'd be worth it. I'd just get home and be disappointed. And all I do it share my images on social media, I don't print anything.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Its the only time ive had the blur, but its was in every shot, i suspect there was something the one didnt like aboutthe scene, that the S2 had no problem with.

On my monitor the car in the One shot isnt at all sharp, not even slightly, anywhere. The trees in the S2 shot are as sharp as an 8MP image will get in that situation on a camera phone. They look in focus when viewed full screen, but not zoomed, the One image doesnt look in focus at all at any size.

The S2 trees zoomed, thats pretty damn sharp, not smeary at all.

The lighting will have some effect, but not that much. I expect the trees to be darker in the One shot, but even so, its horrible. Unfortunately the Ones camera just cannot be relied on.

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I tend to agree. While the pictures aren't always horrible they are disappointing. If you have come from a decent 8MP phone the One just doesnt cut it, its a backward step, and it certainly doesn't even come close to disproving the mega pixel myth.
[One (M7) General] eighteentee:
Mine was like this when I got it. I complained, got it replaced and the image quality was just fine after that.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
The Nokia uses flash before taking the PIC take a look of this Take a look at the PIC it's clearly FLASH PIC not without flash EVEN tho he 1st did the *focusin* and after that took the pic, the trick that nokia uses is to simply *save the pic* before you even take it and magically it sees bright as day .. don't be fooled.

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Here are the facts regarding s4 and One camera

- S4 Great details thx to mp count , over all good in all conditions.

What it lacks :

- Slow shutter

Why is this a bad thing , SIMPLY if you quickly take out the camera to take a pic of something you'll most likely miss it thx to slow shutter = Does it matter cuz it has more MP if you simply missed the shot ?

- Blurry images if taken objects that move.

For example your dog/ cat / kid are making crazy faces while running - S4 slow shutter and blurry images = no matter even if it had 50 MP if YOU CAN"T SEE ANYTHING on the photo = Pixel count worthless ..

- Croping better on s4 thx to mp count.

Show me ONE picture taken with S4 , for example the flower , then crop it and upload both and lets see is the CROP actually usable = Crops will never be good on phone cameras so no point even comparing this at all.. - anyway i'm waiting to see 1 good s4 flower photo ( or whatever ) and croped 100% and 200%. I bet it'll look like sh1t

- Low light performances - average on S4 + uber slow shutter @ night + LACK OF DETAIL since it can't even pick up the LIGHT = MP count USLESS.

And for instance most of the young ppl as myself go out and when i go out i usualy take pics with friends / gf whatever , i have no usability AT ALL from 13MP camera if it can't see anything or if it sees something it'll be blurred ... so Yeah for me this is USLESS

- Indoor on S4 is also average , on One is much better , if you have a baby you're MOST likely gonna keep it inside for a while and of course the first cute moments will need a good camera for low light which S4 can't deliver = missed 1 lifetime precious moments..

- S4 does indeed have better details on the phtoos , but that's mainly on the landscape photos , still this is usless unless you're gonna be printing 200 inches photos.... As for social network pictures from the one gonna look good enough infact great.

- Video recording s4 can't stand a chance here simply because it's too shake thx to the lack of OIS. Theres no comparison here One simply records better.

- Video recording HDR at night = S4 wont see probably anything while One will still manage to see some stuff. Infact take a look here -

move to 2.50 when the HDR recording starts

- S4 uses same sensor as XZ so lets assume samsung optimised it better then sony , but whatever they do IT WILL NEVER SEE LIKE THIS PERIOD

[YOUTUBE]wPD_z93nG5I[/YOUTUBE]

So by all means in OVERALL comparison i would any day chose 4mp then 13mp.
[One (M7) General] Tom-Helge:
Maybe you should use the 'Sport Mode' on the Galaxy S4 that are meant to capture fast moving objects?

Maybe the 'Night Mode' would work better?

You know, keeping the settings on Auto all the time is not going to give you the best quality in all situations.

Samsung Galaxy S4 have much better details in every situations except for low light situations like we have said many times already.

Really?

Explain this then?

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Don't believe most of the poorly done tests out there, because they haven't even turned the 'Video Stabilization' on in their video tests.

FYI, Samsung Galaxy S4 can record videos with HDR on now.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Of course it'll work better but it'll never match One in low light. After all with one you can always use HDR to boost dramaticaly low light , take a look at HTC One X , it kills every 2012 phone in low light , especialy via the bug i found , take a look @ my signature.

I gave few situations where it wont really have better details , but in a still phone yeah i do agree it'll have better details. Still i'm willing to accept lack of details for the other benefits i'm gettings.

Explained :

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- In this one you can see even audio is much better on the one aside from stabilisation being better + colors accuracy even sharpness / details as well.

I guess these 3 are enough ;)

I'd like to see a video comparison HTC One vs S4 hdr recording :fingers-crossed: :victory:
[One (M7) General] sallam5010:
loool I just read that thread to laugh at how u argue like kids lol

Anyways I think they call it smartphone not a smartcamera lol

There's a lot more than camera and megapixels **** !
[One (M7) General] Tom-Helge:
That's what we are saying buddy, that the HTC One are better in low light situations over the Galaxy S4.

I haven't seen any of the situations or pictures you are talking about that are as good as my pictures in details. You are exaggerating ALOT if you think any of the pictures you or others have taken with the HTC One are as good as the quality on the Galaxy S4 camera.

Just stop dreaming.

Again, 'Video Stabilization' is most likely off or bugged in those tests for the Galaxy S4 or there must be something wrong with the video stabilization on the Galaxy S4 unit GSMArena have.

Android Authority's video where they compare the video stabilization on the Galaxy S4 against the OIS the HTC One have (like i did show longer up), shows that there must be something weird with GSMArena's video stabilization on the Galaxy S4.

I might even make a comparsion video where i record something and shake the device alittle and then do the same with video stabilization on to prove that the video stabilization is way better on my device than it is on GSMArena's Galaxy S4 device. But i will take that tomorrow.

And not only that, but to me, the sound from the HTC One camera when recording videos sounds more like trapped and low.

Yes, this might be a little better when you are recording live concerts and those kind of things, but in every other situations, the sound from the Galaxy S4 while recording videos are much more detailed and clear.
[One (M7) General] BarryH_GEG:
Just out of curiosity, how does everyone see this thread ending? Or will the bashing each other continue until the line is crossed and the thread gets locked? OIS is a distinct benefit of the One; the N3 is rumored to have it. A 13MP sensor is a distinct benefit of the SGS4; the iP5s is rumored to have a 12MP sensor. The One, because of its large photosites, has a distinct advantage in low light situations. But the trade-off is 1/2 to 2/3 less detail. It has a faster shutter making it great for action shots but doesn't do as well in bright sunlight.

So with the One you get great low light performance, better action shots, steadier stills and videos, and better audio recording for phones equipped with HDR. With the SGS4 you get better bright light shots, more detail for cropping and zooming, and cleaner processing (no "oil painting" look). Neither is without sacrifice and which one "wins" depends on what people's hot buttons are. And I don't think anyone here is going to change anyone else's position so the benefit of the debate is really only to help people looking at both phones/cameras make a more informed decision. If they've already made a decision and own the camera their defending it's really just a *****-slapping fest.

Carry on. ;)
[One (M7) General] Nippero:
No idea...

After all this, all im thinking is...

1. Why cant eric and rovex just agree to disagree. Both have good points, but both are trying to shove one's opinion down the other's throat. wth.

2. I dont think Shan understands what HDR is...

EDIT: on another note, heres a good example of why the camera is good, and why its bad.

Pros:

1. Having a camera is better than having no camera at all.

2. The camera is relatively quick to start up, and take a picture, so I was able to catch this before my train left.

Cons:

1. It is still fairly freaking blotchy, even after I did some post processing in Lightroom.

2. Its no where near as nice as the other picture from my LX3 point and shoot.
[One (M7) General] jlevy73:
I did a comparison of the One vs the S4 hdr recording and found that in normal light the S4 performed better in low light the One was better. Strangely enough, I found the audio on the S4 much louder :confused:
[One (M7) General] :
I have the s4 update with HDR video. How do you enable it?
[One (M7) General] jlevy73:
Good catch, you can't. Only on photos can you enable HDR. My bad.
[One (M7) General] NxNW:
It almost seems like people are discussing the Samsung galaxy s4 here.

I mean, am I not reading the last few posts accurately? Was there something about the HTC one in there and I just missed it?
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Whats really funny is that here, in the whole HTC One section of XDA, not just this thread, the S4 is mentioned almost as much as the One is! People are obsessed with it. Over in the S4 section no one hardly ever mentions the One. It seems like the One fanboys have a real chip on their shoulder about the S4. :eek: Why is that? Is it because they are trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice, even though they don't believe it deep down?

I dont care about the S4, someone else the brought the S4 into it, but the funny thing is if you change all the S4s in this thread to experias, or Lumias, or iPhone 5s the the same applies, the One still loses, and in the case of the Lumia 925 it loses in low light as well.
[One (M7) General] Lordinho:
ok the gs4 is better than one in camera features. but in all the other things.. no story!
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Not really..
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
I actually find it other way around , isn't you guys that came to our forums started all this ? Anyway even if S4 camera is better the overall phone vs One doesn't stand a chance .. i'm sure many of us took the overall package not only the camera.

It's not like One camera is utter sh1t , it's decent , it can make nice photos which are enough for most of the ppl.

Anyway here are few reason why i took One over S4.

- Better build quality and design

- Better speakers

- Better sound via headphones ( at least for me i like deeper bass and loudness of one's headphones )

- Better display ( yes i know it's personal preference but One's display simply looks better to me especially outside since i couldn't see anything on direct sun on s4 ,tho in a shade it was fine )

- Much faster in overall system and everything else .. you name it.

- Feel in the hand is nicer to me cuz of aluminum but the shape i find s4 better feeling in my hand, not by much tho.

- battery life is great on both .. i'd give slight edge to S4 , it gave me extra 20-30 mins screen time over the one ( maybe would be the same if the s4 had the brightness strenght of the one )

- The look of the system , widgets , shortcuts etc are nicer to me ( yeah the launcher in one word ) and much snappier , Touch wizz felt sluggish and somehow slow vs sense.

- Liked more the gallery effects.

- Liked more the camera features ( mainly ZoE and shutter speed )

- Development is much better on the One ( this is one of the very main reason why i chose one over S4 ) few roms mainly ( Viper X , renovate , ICJ , tho ICJ isn't official out yet , and viper X isn't officialy out yet ) those roms are simply outstanding and the devs are great. The viper rom is probably the most advanced rom in history of XDA regarding the *stock look ( sense ) * As for ICJ it's pretty much on the same lvl as Viper except it's AOSP.

- Kernel devs are great as well and i love messing with the kernels,

- Overall usage from s4 and One i had better experience with the one ( mainly no stutters , laggs , overheating , slow camera shutter and the looks of the device, s4 felt like upgraded s3 )

These are the few deciding factors for me why i chose the One over S4.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Who exactly are 'You guys'. I have an HTC!! I have no loyalty either way, apart from hating Apple of course.

- Build quality. The one is made of nicer materials, but put together badly (gaps, uneven side moulding). The S4 is not badly constructed in that fashion and the plastic is the same as the HOX, its just designed differently. It comes down to taste, not quality.

- Speakers are great, but MANY report the lower speaker is louder than the top, mine is and it REALLY irritates me. Check for yourself..

- Headphones are a matter of opinion, the S4 has cleaner processing and a better DAC.

- Screen, yes a matter of opinion, I still miss the deep blacks and im not finding the One all that great in bright light frankly.

- Faster? No, both seem fluid to me, both have the odd lag here in there though.

- Camera is not even close, except in low light, and only there. Its worse than 7 year old Nokias in daylight, thats just not acceptable and a terrible compromise.

- The Samsung dev section is awesome. I loved the work they did with the S3, and of course they dont have to spend their time worrying about bootloader locks, S-Off and unnecessary other irritations. Its also almost impossible to brick a Samsung, even what seems like a hard brick can usual be fixed by you at home.

I bought the One because i wanted something different. I agree Samsung didnt change the s4 enough to make it worthwhile replacing an S3 with, unless its an upgrade on a contract. I do like it, but I do accept it has problems.
[One (M7) General] sallam5010:
Sony Xperia Z or HTC One or S4 or iPhone 5 or canon Rebel T2i ? Let me test how good your eyes is :p
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Its scaled and compressed again.. therefore ruined.

However id say its not from a One.
[One (M7) General] sallam5010:
Well just try to pick one device for me

and try to explain to me why u picked it ! Like I mean based on what u picked the device !

Got me ? Lol

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I want everyone to share his thoughts too not only revox
[One (M7) General] rovex:
There is so little in it to see I cant make a guess and if you dont understand that JPEG compressing an image by 95% is going to change it i don't know what else to say! JPEG is lossy, it throws away large amounts of data and fundamentally changes the images, drastically.

If its a One shot its a bad one, and it doesnt have the usual One traits. If its from the canon id send it back..
[One (M7) General] Nippero:
Dynamic range and detail too crappy to be coming from the T2i unless it was purposely post processed to increase contrast and NR'd to death.

Too dark to be from HTC One, unless manual ISO was set to something low like 200 or 400.

Could be iPhone 5 from the crappy darkness, but the details seem a bit low compared to other iPhone 5 pictures I've seen. Image ratio also doesnt seem to match the iPhone 5's screen.

Never really looked at pictures from the S4 or X-Z.

Although its really hard to tell, because the image is compressed all the way down to <100KB.. wtf? lol

Tbh I dont really care about image quality from a phone lol, but its always an interesting topic (IMO)
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Fanboy rant.. All opinion, no substance,,
[One (M7) General] Nippero:
You're all being insanely stubborn, and have dragged this thread way beyond off-topic lol. We've gotten to the point where we're not even talking about cameras now.
[One (M7) General] jpbl1976:
Yes. I agree. The mods should shut this down. If you look at it, though, it's really just one person trolling... and he's doing it in multiple threads. Sad really. I mean, all that energy over a smartphone.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
I agree, its pointless when so much is opinion and not fact. The Camera isnt opinion though, its measurable, all that is opinion is whether you care or not.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Here you go around 40 reviews by different tech sites thx to hamdir for collecting them

So basically every site who rewarded HTC One as better device is a fanboi site , while last year they gave the award to S3 , lol you're funny :good::D
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Facts aren't trolling, it seems that way when people cant accept them. Its sad that intelligent analysis isnt possible because people are fanboys and unwilling to see reason and facts for what they are. FYI this isnt an HTC fan site, its a development site and a site to discuss both the good and the bad points of a device. I dont know if this is news to you but this phone isnt perfect..

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Firstly why should I care about the opinions of others? As I said a popular opinion isnt always the right one. Also reviews tend to be done in a few days, they dont have to live with them for a year or 2.

Secondly i didnt actually say the S4 was a better unit, not once. The fact that I still have an HTC One should tell you something.. All I said is that its not an easy win for the One, the S4 is right there with it depending on your needs and priorities.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Actually I have annual leave this week..

Why im saying this is because I want people to have the FACTS, not just 'OMG the camera is awesome' like most on here are blindly shouting including most of the posters on tis thread, especially when it most certainly is not.

Face it you lost, several posters on here PROVED the One is very poor at daylight shots, accept it and move on rather than resorting to rants. If you like the camera, good for you!! Let other decide for themselves if they care about the advantages over the disadvantages.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Lol well said . I guess i should've said this long time ago before allowing my self to fall onto his level and debate all this non sense.

I just don't understand one thing , he has One apperently and hes quiet complaining about it ... why simply don't he sells it and buys S4 if he believes it's better in all the stuff he mentioned above , ppl can be weird sometimes.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Because I didn't say it was better, do you even read my posts?? Are you so blinded by your One that you cannot tolerate anything other than a total adoration of it?

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Resorting to insults again, the sign of a loser. By the way, as i said MANY times, i dont have an S4, I didn't even bring the S4 into it to start with . It is however the first port of call for the touchy, insecure HTC user. Why is that?
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Lmfao , post of the day :good:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Androiduser96:
I'm not sure if any of you guys are aware yet, but for those that aren't.

The Google keyboard is now on the play store!

Go check it out guys.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] mt3g:
15mb 26 languages, gesture typing (swype), voice typing obvi. Looks like stock 4.2.2 let's see how well she plays with my horrid swyping skills.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Androiduser96:
Yup, trying it out. Set the auto correction to aggressive because I'm terrible lol.

Its good for me up to now. Really liking it.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] princeasi:
This keyboard is dayum good!

I'm just sayin!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] radar9:
Anyone able to get the mic button to show? I selected it to go on main page and then number page but it never is there when I open it. Odd.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] EtherealRemnant:
You guys like this crap? Its nowhere near as accurate as my SwiftKey plus there's no symbols on the main keyboard :/
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Aerowinder:
I've found Swype to be superior to SwiftKey in virtually every way imaginable. Flow is just terrible on SwiftKey. I guess everyone has their preference.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] EtherealRemnant:
Have you used it lately? They've greatly improved it.

I think with me the thing is that I've used SwiftKey so long that it pretty much predicts what I'm going to say 90% of the time so I'm mostly just tapping on the predictions these days. I've used it since it was in beta and I've always used TiBu to backup and restore...
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] wardoc22:
I wouldn't say it's crap but it is definitely not as accurate as SwiftKey.

Right now I'm torn between SwiftKey and jb keyboard. SwiftKey themes are horrible. Does not go with the premium look of the aosp rom I'm running.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] TheLastSidekick:
I feel the same way. If only there's a custom way to make theme.

Sent from my SGH-T999 on Tapatalk 2 running LiquidSmooth v2.5 featuring the latest Lean Kernel experimental build.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] AB33:
After a week, I went back to Kii Keyboard. I thought the landscape height and key size were too small on the Google Keyboard.

Sent from TMO GS3 via TapaTalk
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jfleegle:
Here's a link in case you don't want to search for it: Google Keyboard
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Purple Ferret:
Downloaded it, the Voice Recognition and Voice > Text features are much more accurate than the Stock Samsung One. It seems to run smoother as well, so I cant complain.