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[One (M7) General] akimoto7811:
This article is great. Now I can show this to my GS4 brother how a 4MP can still take great pics.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
You have a lot of complaints, I have a lot of good pictures, taken by myself and others that show you are being overly critical and frankly wrong.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
I have no complaints at all, you on the other hand have a history of lies and cheating, and a pile of rubbish photos :eek:

Give it up, you cant win when you are wrong, and I could escalate this if I chose to, it wouldn't be hard to prove how rubbish the photos are, but its already been done to death.

After this I will ignore you completely since you cannot be trusted. It seems like you need to grow up.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Here are few facts:

HTC One ain't so great regarding landscape photos due to low mp count, and that's pretty much it, yes it can't do crazy cropping like higher mp phones but show me one pic from any phone or dslr where anyone actually used crop. Now that outta way let's talk about other stuff.

Low light is darn good and none phone comes close to one in this area

Moving objects are most likely gonna look blurry on 13 mp cameras, especially if you're taking the pic of animals or cars, the speed of the shutter its super fast itself, HDR photos = none phone comes close to one in this area as well, HDR video... None phone comes close as well. Indoor same story, as for other scenes where long distance shots are not required it's pretty much great.

After all we use phones to shoot friends, family, kids, dogs etc which is where one rules.

And most of this is moving scenes where one dominates over the other phones...

If you want outstanding landscapes use the damn dslr.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Every shot taken by the One has the smearing, blotchiness and grain, that is the true fact. Whether it bothers you or not is the only thing up for debate. If it doesnt, fine, if you dont even know what it is, fine, but dont deny its existence to those that can see it.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
No complaints? Then what do you call you last post?

Why is it so important for you to try to convince people the camera is not good? Especially, when there is ample evidence that it is? No one disputes that a 13mp camera will have more detail and resolution than a 4mp camera.

The point is for pictures displayed on HD monitors, 4mp is more than enough.

If the camera is not sufficient for you than go get a different one. When you find that it has terrible lag, huge file sizes, and poor low light ability, then you will have something real to complain about. Just I won't have to see the complaints because I will be here, enjoying the HTC One camera.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Thats not a complaint, its someone denying the problems or with no priority on image quality. No one has been able demonstrate that the One DOESNT have horrible daylight pictures yet. Please, someone, try... Do it via PM if need be.

The difference between you and me is that I accept its strengths, but I wont deny its weaknesses, which you do.

Maybe I am too critical, but I see the problems instantly, even on so called 'amazing' pictures. The problem is that all off focus or distant areas on images are blotchy, other smart phones dont do this, and its hideous, and while HDR in low light is great, in daylight its vile. Its not really anything that approaches HDR, its just messed up and patchy contrast.

As it happens I may have a photoshop script that partially fixes many of the problems, but having to do that isnt exactly ideal.

If you want me to compliment the camera then at least it doesn't have a pink spot problem, mine anyway seems to have absolutely no spot under any conditions, although its easily fixed.
[One (M7) General] BTow1105:
Yeah, I meant that I would never expect a phone camera to take good pictures at a sporting event. There's certain things phone cameras just aren't capable of yet.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
I don't want you to compliment the camera. I don't want you to do anything, except go find a different phone so I don't have to see all your bs.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
I never had a problem before with the S2 and S3, and to me the N10 at least produced passable shots at the event, which the One didnt.

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Its not BS, its fact, thats all i want you to see. If you dont care about the problems, as i said, fine.
[One (M7) General] eqva:
video

And who can show video from this unit. Thank you.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
Again, I point you here. When I look at this picture, I don't think smearing, blotchiness and grain. The sky has a little noise, but that could be corrected.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctp1976/8630587661/in/photostream/

Also, see here for an s4 comparison. See the noise in the sky?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/at...at-you-got-uploadfromtaptalk1370797414513.jpg

Are you trying to convince me that the one is horrendously worse than an s4?
[One (M7) General] rovex:
If you dont see the blotchiness, smearing and heavy grain in that One shot then i dont know what else i can say. Its very poor and not one single thing in it is sharp. The interface between the sea and sky is extremely grainy. Even the foreground has no sharpness at all.

The sky in the S4 picture is bad, but the upload is far too low resolution to be able to tell much. heavily resized images arent much use to anyone and when resized that much it can introduce huge artefacting. The patches in the sky are classic resize noise. Even the One shot is resized, but it still doesnt hide the grain.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
I think that any one reading this thread and looking at the two links above can see that you are full of s***
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Um the S4 picture is only 1,350px × 759px (1MP) and 270K, thats so heavily compressed and resized that its useless. You DO know that doing that to a photo will ruin it, and make it useless for a comparison.. right? :eek:
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
What's the point of all this anyway, if you don't like the bonuses what one has over the others ( that is if you even find any bonuses in the one ) and lacks stuff that others have simply buy the phone which you believe it has better camera, most of the ppl here use their phones to make quick shots and post them on social networks or share among the family, not to print 5 meters billboards.... Besides if you wanna see the full size image from the one you would need 3+ meters wide screen and 2+ meters height screen which I'm sure you don't have so what's the point.

Easy solution for you... If you believe s4 or xz or whatever phone has better camera go and get it... This is waste of time and space. Your word vs words of many others who are happy with their camera.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
All the pictures we have been talking about have been compressed. The ones of mine that you told me were crap were even more compressed. Seems you are free to criticize the one based on compressed files but when it is another phone, suddenly it is a problem for you?

Also, how do you propose people view photos on their computer if you aren't going to look at compressed files. No one wants to pan around a full 13mp picture and look at the various parts. They want to see, at most, a full screen shot.

Just to keep hammering home the point:

Again, I point you here. When I look at this picture, I don't think smearing, blotchiness and grain. The sky has a little noise, but that could be corrected.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctp1976/8630587661/

Also, see here for an s4 comparison. See the noise in the sky?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/at...at-you-got-uploadfromtaptalk1370797414513.jpg

Are you trying to convince me that the one is horrendously worse than an s4?
[One (M7) General] rovex:
The S2 shot i posted was 100% uncompressed from the original, all your One shots are resized to 50% at the worst, the S4 shot you posted was just 7.7% of its original size in pixels and nearly 1/20th of its size in bytes. You dont see a problem with that then..? You are just being dishonest with yourself at this point.

If you cant cheat dont keep playing. I will now wait for you to hunt around for a poor quality S4 picture to try to prove something.. Im going to watch the GP..
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Why even do that isn't it easier to find some site which reviewed one vs s4...? One thing sux for sure it's hard to find a review with the HDR comparison video / pictures.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
Oh, so now the argument is that the advantage of cameras like the s4 can't be seen on normal screens? You have to look at the full 13mp image, which just isn't possible? You want me to give you a 4000x 3000 file that can't be displayed in full resolution?

I think you are kind of proving HTC's point.

And I think if you asked the guy that posted that s4 shot, he was pretty happy with how it looked. I thought it was fine too. I only posted as comparison to show that even the s4 has noise in blue skies.

You have been calling me a troll throughout this thread, but you have proven to be the troll.

You won't escape this- and anyone reading your comments here will have visual proof that you are full of Shi*

Again, I point you here. When I look at this picture, I don't think smearing, blotchiness and grain. The sky has a little noise, but that could be corrected.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctp1976/8630587661/

Also, see here for an s4 comparison. See the noise in the sky?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/at...at-you-got-uploadfromtaptalk1370797414513.jpg

Are you trying to convince me that the one is horrendously worse than an s4?
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Thank you Barry!!

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You do know that its still better to have the full resolution picture and let the PC hardware resize it than to compress it with an editor.. right?? If you have a 4kx3k image displayed on a 1920x1080 monitor it will look better than the same picture compressed and resized to 1920x1080. You really arent very good at this, you just have no idea what you are talking about. It was funny, now its just annoying.
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
I think I know what's his issue :D he hates the fact that HTC One camera in overall comparison is better then any other camera atm with only 4mp and his 13mp camera doesn't cut it close enough ( proven by many reviewers) so I guess that's his issue, why else would Sammy fanboy come to one forums and start the endless debate when you can simply take a look on some site and see yourself which one is better...

Besides I don't see the point of arguing or letting someone trying to force you to believe that something is better when clearly it's not, you have the eyes, take a look yourself and decide which is better don't let someone make a conclusion based on few bad shots, even Sony's alpha 99 camera that cost 5000$ + makes bad shots from time to time :D
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
I am not arguing with what you say, but the point is Rovex is unduly harsh regarding the One. While you characterize the one like this:

"The upside is outstanding low-light performance, great actions shots, and pictures that look fantastic social-size. The downside is lack of detail, average bright light performance, and pictures that don't look that fantastic when viewed on a pixel-to-pixel level."

He characterizes it like this: blotchy, smeary, hideous, unacceptable etc. Elsewhere he downplays the one's low light advantages as well.

If he were to confine himself to say that the One's bright light performance is average and the low light performance is the best available, I think we would be in agreement.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Did you miss barrys post then?

I knew id get called Sammy fanboy, its pathetic if thats all you have and really makes you look bitter and stupid. I have owned 2 Samsungs, and 5 HTCs if you so care to know.

Maybe the problem is that my monitor is too good then? Its full HD, which is half the MP of the One, that means that im viewing much nearer native resolution than i would be 13MP shot. As a result i see the errors much more clearly in a 4MP picture. Lets get this clear, all camera smear and blotch and grain, but the higher resolution means that monitor resizing hides it because it disappear because its smaller than the pixels on the monitor. That doesnt happen with a 4MP image, and that why the One shots look so bad, as well as the fact that the shots are generally bad anyway.
[One (M7) General] vokkE:
So rovex is a Sammy fanboy when he states that HTC One is not the best camera available?

The day I got HTC One on my hand, I was very disappointed with the camera. Can't believe all the hype is going on. Well, maybe my camera unit is broken or something and the camera really is the best out there.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
It is the best at low light, its not however average in bright light, its way below that. WAY below.

By the way... Low light..

http://wmpoweruser.com/low-light-co...5-vs-htc-one-vs-samsung-gs4-vs-sony-xperia-z/

Not a winner..
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
Whatever mate. Looks like you just can't accept the truth. The funny thing is, I have yet to see any evidence that you have anything to take a picture of that requires the perfection you seek. A boring shot of a car, a fuzzy shot of a bunny and some stuff on a desk. If that is what you are taking pictures of, why do you care what camera you use? I assure you no one is going to look at your photos and say "Eh, another boring shot from Rovex, but look how sharp the corners are at full resolution!"

Again, I point you here. When I look at this picture, I don't think smearing, blotchiness and grain. The sky has a little noise, but that could be corrected.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctp1976/8630587661/

Also, see here for an s4 comparison. See the noise in the sky?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/at...at-you-got-uploadfromtaptalk1370797414513.jpg

Are you trying to convince me that the one is horrendously worse than an s4?
[One (M7) General] :
Lol you're funny as far as I know the gs4 has the best overall camera in any smartphone followed by the iPhone 5, the gs4 scored a 9 and the iPhone a 8 and the HTC one a 6

Think it was gsmarena so stop fanboying.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Why are you continuing to post those horribly edited photos what make the S4 look so bad by cheating? You realise it makes you look stupid right? (by the way the S4 link is now broken )

So now you are insulting me because you cant attack my photos quality. No class.

So here.. HTC One lose in low light, BADLY.. Ill keep posting this since that seems the new thing to do.

http://wmpoweruser.com/low-light-co...5-vs-htc-one-vs-samsung-gs4-vs-sony-xperia-z/
[One (M7) General] rovex:
:victory::good::highfive:
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
Oh, so now a 400x200 photo is enough for you to judge?, you are a riot.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Oh come on, you can clearly see that the Nokia is giving you a better lit image which is all the low light images are about, they all suck in detail from any phone... :laugh: :victory:

Your still losing..

http://wmpoweruser.com/low-light-co...5-vs-htc-one-vs-samsung-gs4-vs-sony-xperia-z/
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
Oh, so now a 400x200 photo is enough for you to judge?, you are a riot.

That s4 pic is not horribly edited. It is the most recent s4 pic uploaded in the thread that had bright blue skies, and appears to be completed unedited.

Don't think of me criticizing your photos as an insult - think of it as a challenge to post up some of the wonderful cell phone shots you have taken that would have been ruined if you took them on the one.

Again, I point you here. When I look at this picture, I don't think smearing, blotchiness and grain. The sky has a little noise, but that could be corrected.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctp1976/8630587661/

Also, see here for an s4 comparison. See the noise in the sky?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/at...at-you-got-uploadfromtaptalk1370797414513.jpg

Are you trying to convince me that the one is horrendously worse than an s4?
[One (M7) General] rovex:
What bit of compressed to 7.7% of its original pixel size and 1/20 of its original file size did you not understand? Its like talking to a stubborn spoiled child! :rolleyes:
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
So, let me get this right, you claim that the noise in the sky is caused by the s4 image being compressed? Also, it has to be compressed to show on a normal full HD monitor. That is the point. While comparing them at full res, the s4 may look better than the HTC, by the time anyone sees it, there isn't that much difference.

And your whole argument is that the HTC takes unacceptable horrid daytime pictures - this comparison shows that clearly isn't the case. Or have you changed your argument now to the HTC is slightly behind in daylight pictures?

Again, I point you here. When I look at this picture, I don't think smearing, blotchiness and grain. The sky has a little noise, but that could be corrected.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctp1976/8630587661/

Also, see here for an s4 comparison. See the noise in the sky?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/at...at-you-got-uploadfromtaptalk1370797414513.jpg

Are you trying to convince me that the one is horrendously worse than an s4?

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I wouldn't doubt they are better, although, I sure would like to see it full screen to make that determination.

However, I am not leaving android for a better camera, I have plenty of cameras that beat both the Nokia and HTC in image quality, but none of them run Jelly Bean.
[One (M7) General] eighteentee:
Personally, I own a Canon DSLR, have owned numerous iPhone's and now own a HTC One. The way I look at it isn't in megapixels or ultrapixels, to me is about embracing the limitations of the medium in order to produce an image that works best. I wouldn't expect to get the same quality out of the HTC as I do out of the DSLR but that doesn't mean it takes worse pictures - far from it. Having fixed optics and little in the way of adjustment can force you to look at things very differently.

Just my 2p

PS I actually like the camera in the HTC One compared with the others I've owned.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
:silly:

Oh dear.. Someone else tell him the difference between JPEG compression, and being resized by the graphic card, let alone the added complication of browser rendering. .Please. At this point I think he will just go with the opposite of what I say whatever it is! :eek:
[One (M7) General] Tom-Helge:
I have never seen a photo from the HTC One that have impressed me in any ways.

If you looks at pictures taken of trees and flowers taken with the HTC One, you will pretty much see that the image quality are horrible on the HTC One compared to the Galaxy S4 and iPhone 5.

I'm gonna give you some examples here on how the camera quality on the Galaxy S4 brutally rapes the HTC One's camera quality.

Enjoy.

So if you say the quality from the HTC One is that good as you want us to believe it is, then those pictures i have taken with my Galaxy S4 then is totally going to blow you away.

But yeah, in low light situations the HTC One is a little better than the Galaxy S4. But in light situations, the HTC One stands no chances at all against the Galaxy S4.

Other than that, any panorama pictures taken with the Galaxy S4 would look 50 times better on that 46" print.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
All you have to do is look at the out of focus areas in those to see that there is no 'oil painting effect' (which i have been calling blotchy and smeary). The clarity in the foreground is at a different level to anything the One can do. They aren't even full resolution and the superiority jumps out at you. And no Erik, full size comparison wouldnt help the One even a little fit
[One (M7) General] Tom-Helge:
rovex, incase you did miss it, you can just right click on my images and open pictures in a new tab / windows to see the full resolution.

The last picture of the cat was taken in 16:9 aspect ratio, so the picture is only at 9.6 Mpix. But it looks incredible anyways.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Ive just realised what the One images remind me of. In photoshop there is a filter called 'Crystallize'. If you apply it mildly to any picture it looks like a picture from the One..

Its a bit quick and dirty and the effect is a tad heavy, but you get the point. ( I hope you don't mind tom..).
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Indeed, i dont think its needed.

So Erik doesnt get confused.. At full resolution and 100% zoom, they do get blury and lumpy, as all digital images do eventually, the difference is that when viewed full screen on even a very high resolution monitor or tablet (like the retina iPad or Nexus 10) they remain super clear. The One images really dont, the oil painting effect is very obvious indeed, even at 720P.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
I have no doubt that s4 takes better pictures in good light under close inspection - the point being made is that the differences are not significant, and nowhere near as bad as Rovex claims. I have seen many pictures of similar quality to those you posted taken from the one.

The quality of both is high enough that subject, composition, and photographer skill are more important than the megapixels.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
The difference is staggering. I still think you need a new monitor..
[One (M7) General] Tom-Helge:
And you think i'm gonna believe on that lie?

There doesn't exist any pictures taken with the HTC One that comes anywhere close by a mile to the Galaxy S4's camera quality in light situations.

If not, i want to see some proofs on your claims.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Here is a good one from The One. Its pretty good, but full screen on my monitor the background goes grainy and its not as sharp as the s4 images. However again, it is a macro, one of the places the One does pretty well.

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Another. This look pretty good to, but compared to my friends version on his One V (!!) the blacks are crushed and again on my PC the background is grainy. Its also grainy around the rear door handle. One the image taken with his One V i can see the interior instrument cluster very clearly.

Now if you cant see it erik, then your monitor isnt good enough. Maybe you should be thankful for that, who knows?

these are the best of the best i have taken.

Want to see the attempted replication of the S2 picture? OK, here is the S2 again..

and here is the best of 5 attempts yesterday with the One. Phone stable, no shake..

Hideous. I have no idea why they all came out so awful, even ones with the phone set on a box taken with the timer, so I cant have been shaking it!
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
I think it would come down to splitting hairs. Both are sufficient and if you need better, get a real camera. If you believe the pics you posted blow away anything from an HTC One, you need to go view HTC One posts on flickr.

Sure, there are a lot of bad examples out there, but you will see the good ones too. And as I said, the differences that do exist tend to be overwhelmed by subject, composition and photographer skill.
[One (M7) General] Tom-Helge:
This is about camera phones and not about getting a real camera if you want something that is very good. We are talking about witch camera on a smartphone that gives us the best quality.

If you know about those incredible pictures taken with HTC One on the flickr webpage, then show us what the HTC One is good for.

And yes, i haven't to this date seen any pictures from the HTC One that impresses me at any points. So again, show me the good pictures taken with HTC One before you gets me to belive you.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
You still need to stop insulting people that can see the difference. Just because you cant it doesn't mean its not there..

I suspect you are viewing these on a 1366x768 laptop?