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[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 Themes and Apps] graffixnyc:
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OP DO NOT try to pass your stuff off as your own work when you clearly took it elsewhere. It's basically a copy of that thread...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2269334
[One (M7) General] mettleh3d:
Article, Androidcentral.com

http://www.androidcentral.com/about-megapixel-myth-46-print-htc-one-camera-looks-awesome
[One (M7) General] g33mt4z:
Impressive, just something else that justifies me spending $900 :-$
[One (M7) General] Tw1tchy:
13 Megapixels vs the benefits of the Ultra Pixel technology? I'll go with Ultra Pixel thank you.
[One (M7) General] spitfire2425:
Wow, that's awesome v
[One (M7) General] Tetsumi06:
What was the title of that Sammy fanboy thread 'is this all the HTC One camera can do?'

Looks good enough to me.

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[One (M7) General] grigdush:
The only question i have is how did he manage to have a 5.5MB picture?
[One (M7) General] IINexusII:
Because its a panorama image
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Its a nice scene, but thats what the camera excels at, scenes. If you want to use the camera to capture the details of an event its not so good.
[One (M7) General] NordicMan:
If the "event" is indoors or some other area that is dimly lit, the HTC is probably gonna do a better job than other higher pixel'd phone cams
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Maybe, that's not always true either. It's useless at sporting events unless you just want to capture the atmosphere rather than actual action.
[One (M7) General] ECEXCURSION:
Not sure I'd be using a phone to document a sporting event...

Sent from my HTC One
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Thousands do..
[One (M7) General] CiDhed:
Thousands also use digital zoom, it doesn't make it right.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Excuses. I love the phone, but the camera is very picky about what it can do and when, personally I think its a bad balance. The megapixel myth is true, but this camera isnt good enough to prove it.
[One (M7) General] C1S12OB:
Agree with you on this 100%
[One (M7) General] CiDhed:
Good for you?

It has gotten a perfect picture the first time, every time for me. I am so glad that I no longer have to worry about turning on lights in my normally dark house. Maybe your phone needs a usermod? I don't need the 13mp to text a picture or post something to facebook. If I'm taking a photo I care about I'll use a real camera.
[One (M7) General] rotchcrocket04:
Very nice.

Oh how I can't wait for another "this camera sucks because it's not like my iPhone" thread to start rolling. :eek:

In all seriousness, this camera has consistently produced images of quality from a phone. I've printed some of them already in 4x6 and 5x7. They looked fabulous. That's damn good enough for me. :good:
[One (M7) General] rovex:
I dont really take pictures in my house, I take them when out and about. Its just not got the resolution to be able to resolve objects more than 50ft away in any detail. As I said it takes nice 'scenes', but for example, at a zoo its useless, because animal invariably aren't close to you. Its useless at motor sport events because it cant resolve the cars unless you are very close to them. I took a few shot at a recent event with the One, and a few with the Nexus 10 as a comparison, and it was the N10 that gave me the best single shot!

It does work as a social media camera, which is I suppose what HTC said all along, but lets not be fanboys here, it has big limitations. Most of the shots on this site that are showing off its abilities are macros, which are nice, but frankly any phone can do that, and I was taking better ones with my N95!
[One (M7) General] CiDhed:
I assure you I'm not being a fanboy.

Not the best but what I use to take real pictures. You know, like ones at the zoo. Maybe you should pick something like this up if you want to shoot events.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-T2i-Processor-3-0-inch-18-55mm/dp/B0035FZJHQ
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Like most people I just want a simple point and shoot device, i dont care enough or need a $600 camera. However I do want one that takes pictures that are worthwhile having.

I wouldn't mind it only being as good as an average phone for these type of shots, but the fact that its worse than a tablet, or even an old phone is inexcusable. The fact is pretty much every 8MP camera phone takes better shots in these situations.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Might be if I had an S4, I do not, therefore its a very poor attempt, its also been reported. Was it not you that kept on mentioning the S4??
[One (M7) General] NxNW:
Um the purpose of my post was to remind everyone many people are looking at this read in search of a discussion about the thread title. Shocking, I know. I see my reminder was to subtle. I am not a mod but I believe in signal to noise ratio.

If you can't talk about megapixels, minimally at least talk about the HTC One camera. Going down a laundry list of non camera features OF A DIFFERENT PHONE is, well, just rude. There are other places for that. Go there..

(not specifically taking about you, rovex)
[One (M7) General] Shan89:
Yes i did read your posts unfortunatelly , and it's all based on you complaining on the One , simply sell it and buy the device that suits you more since one clearly *lacks* pretty much everything from your point of view , starting from design to software and hardware.

- Lol at this !

exactly you never said s4 is better :o :cyclops:
[One (M7) General] Nippero:
Honestly its looking more like you two, Shan and jpbl, are the immature ones... Personal insults are unnecessary.

The guy has the HTC One, and obviously likes it or he would've sold it already.

He just doesnt agree with others here that the camera is omgwtfamazing, along with the rest of the phone which some here are trying to push as absolutelybestthingthatseverhappened.

The HTC One definitely isnt perfect. The thing has annoying build quality issues, of which I've experienced the gaps, overhang and recessed power button.

The beats audio software DSP thing is nice (its software I assume) but on certain songs, I've noticed distortion.

Blinkfeed is annoying and hard to customize, but whatever I'll eventually root and flash custom firmware.

So the phone is definitely not perfect, but I love it anyway.

Why must people push opinions on each other?
[One (M7) General] Nippero:
The pestering seems to be coming from both sides, is my point.
[One (M7) General] SamBG:
Rovex plz....if u don't lyk the phone go and sell it and buy a phone dat suites u...

People here knw dat der are some flaws in the camera but wat do u expect frm a 4 MP camera...!!!

Everything cant b perfect...
[One (M7) General] jpbl1976:
I haven't learned any LESSEN because I actually bothered to listen to my grammar school teacher who taught me that LESSON is spelled this way.

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I only started posting half an hour ago or so... this has been going on for a lot longer than that.
[One (M7) General] Nippero:
I meant both sides as in people from both opinions. Meaning rovex vs eric, shan, you, etc.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Angry typing makes for errors. Actually I earn a good amount. I might not be an investment banker, but at least that means im not screwing over the country an running up debt.

By the way i thought you were leaving? I am..
[One (M7) General] Tetsumi06:
At the end of the day you're talking about a phone (that can also takes pictures for those moments you just have to share a moment with friends and family.)

When I'm out on the the yacht or off walking in the mountains or forests then I take a DSLR with a lens that costs almost as much as a phone. I don't head out on a trip I know will present numerous scenic views to capture and make sure that I've got my phone with me to record them for posterity I TAKE A REAL CAMERA!

So, what use is a £600 phone then? Oh yeah! My family live 100s of miles away bit they have to see this..... No, I don't dig out the Canon I grab my phone, snap and post to (insert site of choice here)

The One has the 1st snapper on it fast enough to go from asleep to snapped fast enough for this:

Edit: picture failed to attach? Shame :(

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[One (M7) General] Shan89:
exactly you never said s4 is better :o :cyclops:

- I guess you're right , you NEVER said it is better.

( while both of them use same s600 chip + HTC added beats chip + beats amp )

I guess this doesn't sound like you're saying S4 camera is better.

Maybe i don't understand english as you said , but one thing is for sure , you have no idea what are you typing in here.
[One (M7) General] pandaball:
That's enough. To add to the derailment of the thread, there's flaming going on too. Closed.
[One (M7) General] biffsmash:
Sorry but I have to vehemently disagree. I've had S2, Xperia X10, HTC Desire, more recently the S3, Nexus 4 and Xperia Z. The HTC One trashes these phones, at the zoo, in the park, and in low light. Those are just the phones i've had recently that pop into my head, i've had many many more.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Well we are going to have to disagree then, and yes ive had dozens of phones over the last few years.
[One (M7) General] mettleh3d:
the One has OIS. Isn't that enough said? ;)

Although tbh, I'm still disappointed to get occasional shaky images.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Not really, it can result in a blur down one side. Ive never needed it frankly anyway.
[One (M7) General] jmitr:
Regarding sporting events I'm going to chime in here from a coaching point of view.

Most coaches use iPads and tablets, not high end cameras. I have used my One (for both track and field and speed skating) and it is awesome. The quick response of the shutter means I get the shot I want, burst mode is great, zoes are are my new must have. Shooting a short video at the same time as a burst shot? Beyond words how valuable a coaching tool that is.

Different use cases I know. If I was covering a sporting event out doors or high speed, a DSLR is the only way to go. Coaching, several fellow coaches are considering getting the one after seeing what I can do with it. It helps that Coaches eye and other popular apps are on Android now too.
[One (M7) General] Thegreatheed:
No point in responding to a frank denier, but I'm a sucker. This phone blatantly outperforms 8 and 13 mp phones in MANY situations, not just a few situations. OIS and a faster shutter speed mean many sports photos will actually look much better on the One than other phones. I am absolutely thrilled with the camera on the One. If you aren't, return it and kindly go away. This emotional denial thing you have going about about how this camera is bad is just old. It doesn't help the community here, it doesn't give anyone useful information about the product either.

If you want to keep complaining, post a side by side comparison of what you're complaining about with the One and your preferred camera.
[One (M7) General] bloodrain954:
Here we go again, people thinking a cell phone can replace a DSLR. lmao...
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Who are you to tell me what to think? Im being realistic, im just not gushing about it. Its not the best Camera phone. I happen to be one of those that does see value in zoomed in crops to prove the quality. As I said it depends what you want from the picture. If you want a complete scene, or a set-up shot then yes, its better balance and low light ability might be better, but if your shots aren't set up, if you do candid shots, distance shots or any other shot that you may not be able to set up then more MP are necessary.

I only have the N10 to compare it with but here goes..

Now, tell me, which is the sharper (without artefacts), which has the better colour balance, which has the most detail, which is the least grainy? Click them to see full size, look at the blue 'HiQ' banner.. Sure the N10 isnt perfect, its too bright for a start, but you can see a whole lot more, and the problems are fixable.

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I never said that, when did i say that? Why so defensive? Because I have a point and im right? I said a phone cam needs to be at least half decent, much of the time the One just isnt. The point is i can get far far clearer more resolved images from other phones.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
Sounds more like you are referring to the focal lenght of the camera here. It has a very wide angle lens in comparison to most phones. That has advantages and disadvantages. Just like any wide angle lens, you have to be closer to the subject or it will be small in the image.

Of course, Nikon and Canon make good $ on selling expensive wide angle lenses and expensive tele lenses. Comes down to preference and need.

Otherwise you are talking about cropping into the frame to display the details larger and more megapixels will be of benefit for that purpose, but, I certainly wouldn't want to rely on a cropped cell phone picture to capture anything of importance.
[One (M7) General] mettleh3d:
This thread isn't gonna be another camera debate, just that it can still produce sick prints.

K?

K.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Im just defending my position against those that cannot accept the camera has big limitations, and compromises that dont always pay off.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
By definition, compromises don't always pay off.

It really comes down to what you want out of your phone camera. Do you want a longer focal length and ability to make a big crop to emulate a zoom lens and willing to compromise with sluggish performance and horrid low light performance? There is a compromise there that doesn't always pay off. Or do you want low light goodness, super responsiveness and wide angle shots? Other side of the coin.

But to claim the camera isn't good becuase it doesn't do everything is unfair and not correct. If I judge the SGS4 based on it's low light ability and responsvieness then it is a crappy camera. But if I judge it on its ability to emulate a slow zoom lens, then it may be the best phone camera.
[One (M7) General] NxNW:
You both make a couple good points along the way, but this little side argument is threatening to take over the thread ...
[One (M7) General] I Am Marino:
I still stand by my opinion that people need to stop expecting digital camera quality shots from a phone.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Thats rather unfair to the S4. Review images suggest that dark performance isnt actually too bad at all, and while not as fast as the One, its not slow. It also has the advantage that the flash actually fires to focus, which the One camera, really stupidly, doesnt.

My point about the resolution is that of the 2 images I posted most of the scene is junk I don't want, on a higher MP cam I could crop it and still be left with a decent, clear shot, on the One, its poor to start with, and any crop would be truly hideous.

Now as for the picture in the OP, its dark, so the low resolution isnt such a big deal. Maybe another phone wouldn't have captured the scene at all, who knows for sure, but what if it was a daylight image? It would be, again, low resolution and lacking detail. the image is a classic case of playing to the Ones only strength. It proves absolutely nothing..

Many people are unhappy with the One camera, it just hasnt lived up to the hype. Its got a fast shutter and is good at low light shots, but ultimately its still a 4MP phone camera, and frankly, in bright light, not a very good one.

No one is expecting digital camera quality, but it should at least be competitive with rivals.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
The low light GS4 shot - kind of like a unicorn. I have searched far and wide and haven't found any good ones. I actually don't put much weight on reviews because often time the reviewers don't know what they are doing, but have a look here - http://www.geek.com/apple/low-light...-vs-htc-one-vs-iphone-5-vs-lumia-928-1557598/

I can't speak to your pics ( couldn't see them when I first responded to you because they don't show at my office) - yes it looks terrible, but it also doesn't look anything like my experience so I am going to blame your skilz not the camera.

Have a look here and tell me is it the camera or you:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctp1976/8630587661/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pottokao/8630884407/in/faves-72359924@N08/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgshultz/8707858321/in/faves-72359924@N08/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59299444@N02/8730972426/in/faves-72359924@N08/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctp1976/8631688446/in/faves-72359924@N08/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shawnlai/8891208629/in/faves-72359924@N08/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vanyuen/8873874613/in/faves-72359924@N08/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ctp1976/8913514950/
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Im not 12, I know how to use a camera and the N10 image was fine given its limited ability. Its a phone cam, you shouldnt need any specific 'skills'. As people point out, its not a DSLR! Even on auto there is no excuse for the terrible quality the One cam can produce. In bright conditions, we get blown out skys, or dark ground, grain, chroma noise in darker regions, blurry regions and any number of other problems. With HDR mode the S4, or any other phone for that matter, are actually quite reasonable in low light, although i grant you, HDR mode usuaslly slows them down. Its also amazing how much better dark images can be improved in Photoshop, whereas the problems the One present you with are much harder to correct.

Even when it gets it all right, which isnt often, you still cant get around the fact that its only behaving like a poor 4MP phone cam in daylight. So while, yes its the low light king (apart from the stupid flash thing), its daylight performance, well, sucks. I was hoping the 2.17 base would help, it didnt.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
I don't know what else to tell you - I would suggest you go find a different phone instead of complaining.

There are plenty of great examples of pictures that don't exhibit the issues you note (I have linked some above). I will also say that even DSLRs will exhibit those issues if used incorrectly or in certain circumstances.

I think you are misleading yourself and others if you think the S4 is acceptable in low light. Show me some examples of S4 in truly low light that you think approach HTC One quality. They don't exist.
[One (M7) General] rovex:
Actually a lot of those pictures have grain and chroma noise, if you choose not to see it, so be it. They are also mostly scenes, fine when viewed as a whole, not so good when picking out details. I have plenty of pictures like that as well, and thats fine if you were going for a scene, rather than detail.

You will fail if you keep trying to blame me, ive had dozens of camera phones, going right back to the days when they could only do sub 640x480 resolution, but since they were 2MP+ ive never had these issues with any of them. The One camera is just unreliable, sometimes fine, other times just plain horrible. Id love to know exactly what you think im doing wrong that would make the picture I posted look that bad, especially when I posted an N10 picture as well, also taken by me, that blows the One picture out of the water.

Have a look here for low light S4 v One. Its not the victory you make it out to be. Its a win, but its not an easy win.

http://www.androidcentral.com/megap...sung-galaxy-s4-versus-htc-one-camera-shootout
[One (M7) General] Nippero:
First of all I do want to mention one thing... that is a 46 by 8 inch canvas. its only 8 inches tall!

The image is a panorama, with the info given, its actually a 6.3MP image.

I'm also curious to see how this picture actually looks from up close.. I definitely wouldn't pay that company $100+ to have it printed and framed though... lol

I do love the camera, I can take pictures where my friends cant, avoid flash where my friends are forced to use it.

But once its on my computer and I look at the full image, the noise and compression artifacts are disgusting...

Its fine for snapshots, instagram, and other social media. But it will never replace or come close to a DSLR of any level. Lets not kid ourselves here.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
You are ridiculous. The camera is fine. What is your purpose in your criticisms of it? If you think the linked pictures aren't good phone camera images, then you won't be satisfied with any phone camera. Plenty of competent photographers are using and loving the HTC One.

Lets see you post some of your pictures taken with another phone camera that you think measure up to the ones I linked. Until you show me that you can take a better pic with something else, your complaints are meaningless. I say put up or shut up.

And I can't tell you what you did wrong with the picture you posted, neither of them look worth a crap, honestly. The One picture looks like you just randomly snapped a shot without any thought or intent. What where you trying to shoot? I find these random shots from internet complainers are of little use in assessing camera quality.

The AC review doesn't even address low light picutres. It shows a night shot, but that is a different scenario and even then the One is better. If you are trying to make a case that the s4 can compete in low light, you just haven't a clue. The s4 has a slower lens, no OIS, and tiny pixels. It just can't compete and the dearth of low light examples of s4 pictures is testament to that.
[One (M7) General] mikeyd85:
Good, great, average, whatever.

****s over any camera I've owned in the dark and takes reasonable snaps in the light.

I'm happy with it!
[One (M7) General] tsekh501:
While I like the camera on my One, the linked photo has nothing to do with the ultrapixel or megapixel myth. It is a panaroma shot, which is created by stitching zillions of pics together. You can do this with 0.3 MP sensor or 13 MP sensor. With enough photos you can get any resolution you desire (provided the app supports it of course)
[One (M7) General] BenPope:
This thread is so pointless.

All cameras have tradeoffs, be it cost, form factor, shutter speed, pixel count... If you don't appreciate the tradeoffs of the camera on this phone (geared for form factor, shutter speed and low light), don't buy it. Move on. Arguing it to death achieves nothing.
[One (M7) General] Itaintrite:
This doesn't prove anything. A panorama is stitched from multiple photos, in this case multiple 4mp shots. So of course the end result will have a much higher resolution than what the One is capable of. Try printing a 46", heck even 20" print, from one 4mp photo. Then we'll talk.
[One (M7) General] Terrorantula:
There is no MP myth, higher MP = more detail but more noise.
[One (M7) General] Nippero:
Incorrect.
[One (M7) General] Itaintrite:
Well, this is only true if: a) sensor size remains the same b) same tech, no improvement whatsoever.
[One (M7) General] Terrorantula:
The sensor sizes are the same and 4MP just isn't enough... I've had the HTC One and the GS4 and the GS4 wins every time, low light performance wasn't that much better to give it any advantage, the only good thing was the OIS.

Tbh though if you want great pictures, get a DSLR or the Nokia 808 that I've had is just amazing, it took better pictures than my £200 point and shoot.
[One (M7) General] erik111111:
If you value low light performance, it is that much better. 4mp is fine for display on full HD screens or modest sized prints.

The GS4 is fine if you don't care about low light, slower responsiveness, larger files, and lack of zoe/highlights. The GS4 is better for signficant crops or zooms.

808 if good camera but everything else sucks.